Hello Simon

On 28-aug-99, you wrote:

> /*Thank You Alan Day For Your Email Dated 28-Aug-99*/
[snip]
> 
>> Just ordered:-
>> Celeron 400mhz
>> 128mb 100mhz SDRAM
>> 16mb 3dfx AGP gfx card
>> PCI 128 sound card
>> 8gb HD
>> 17" Viewsonic monitor
>> 5x DVD 40x CD-ROM Drive
>> Win98 & SuSE Linux 6.2
>> 780 inc vat & del. from http://www.it-pc.co.uk
> 
> So basially what u'r saying is, u've gone and bought a pilea crap? Why
> on earth would ne1 buy such shite? Hahaha, he's gone and paid 780 for a box
> of shite!!! :-))
> 

Well, he will be back. Sure, he has a nice training PC but soon he will be off to Dixons for buying a BlaBlah card or a DooDah thing to keep on track with the other PC owners. Okay, he will gain new friends: The drugstore-owner will be welcoming him with open arms to supply loads of head-ache pills..

So within a few weeks he'll be back with his Amiga hooked up to the 17"-er and the rest of the system as cup-holder. ;=))

>> I am normally polite but
>> UP YOURS Mr Collas, Havemose, Le Faivre --
> 
> And, as politely as I can say it, get lost u tosser, the PC is a pile of
> shite!
> 
> Sorry Ben for the bad lanuage, but I just feel I had to let 
it out.
[snip]
<tsb>
> 
Regards

Hi fool

> > Have you never seen the English translation of Le Bourgeois Gentilhomme
> > by Molire, called A Fool and His Money? 'Twas great!
>
> Who the hell translated "Le Bourgeois Gentilhomme" and ended up with
> "A Fool and His Money"?

The guy with the money? (think about it)

Tatty byes
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Hi,
   Why the hell is it being stopped? I acept it may be 'cos of production
costs, but you could at least leave it on the CD ;)

After all, that don't cost any more, and only takes up the space of a single
DMS image.

And then it would give subscribers the incentive to buy a CD-ROM. Agreed?
Cya!
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Hi,
   OH! You mean the bit about the rumour about Poo being a hex-edited
Version? aah. gotcha now.

My brother was reading thru Gaz' readme's once and saw that he'd put these
in the feature list:

   Supports Version command.
   Supports $POO command.

And he just laughed at how someone could claim that the first one in that
little list above coul eb called a 'feature' ;)

And on the subject of getting your screen back to normal, it works fine with
me even if I do move a window! I just press ESC and it restores it
perfectly. Maybe i'll con him into doing a GUI for it ;)
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<sb>"Bother," said Pooh, as someone else stole his taglines.

Hi,
   I also have other tagliens, not just Bother ones. If anyone wants them
all, giz a bell and I'll send. I'm not sending it to here tho cos its 79K ;)
Cya!
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Hi,
   If we moved all the off-topic threads over to AFB-OT, then fromw hat I've
read over the past week or so (since I've been subscribed) there would only
be about 5 mails on the main AFB list per day ;)))))
Cya!
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<sb>
<sb>It is always safer to duck than to goose.

Hi,
   Right, I'm gettin' mine soon (thanx to the bloke who I'm buying it off
btw ;) but it hasn't got an SCSI-II kit on it. Any idea where I can get one
of these (preferably 2nd-hand as I've heard they are expensive) for a
Blizzard 1260/50?

Because then you see, I can have 24Mb, or even 32Mb if my local PC shop will
trade two 8Mb simms for a 16Mb (you never know :)
Cya!
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<sb>
<sb>Gone crazy.  Be back later.  Leave a message at the beep.

Hi,
   I emailed the two companies above asking for them to convert to the Amiga
the sequel to Frontier. You know, that First Encoutners one.

And get this.

They said that they were thinking about it (well, DI did) and that they were
waiting for Braben or whoever is doing it to finish Elite 4, and then they
would try and convert both over so that Amiga owners had all 4 games.

I think thats what tthey meant anyway. I interpreted it as that ;)
Cya!
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<sb>
<sb>Embrace difficulty - it takes fire to temper steel.

    A new user group is in the process of being set up! It's in Northamptonshire, so if ne1 lives near or in Northamptonshire then come along. It's at the "Tom Cobleigh" pub (:)) in Kettering. The first "meeting" will be held on 5th September at 7:30 ish, email at nsthomas@clara.co.uk for more details and I'll send you a map and ome info about it. 
    FAO BEN: Ben, you are most welcome to comealong in a couple of months (when it's properly set up) and do a feature on a new user group for the "User Group" page if you wish ;).

Neil Thomas AKA BobF, which reminds me, I can also be contacted on #Gas on ARCNet, try between 6:15 and 7:00 tonight and tomorow......

Hi Jinky, you wrote.......
> 
> 
> I've only got an 030 as well, we can't all afford PPCs(
> 
> I too, have an 030 and I find it works ok for me. PPC cards r not all they
> r cracked up to be. 
> <tsb>
>                                                       JINKY              
> 

So, if I offered you my PPC card, (coz I'm upgrading to G3 when
they're released), you'd refuse?  Have you had any experience (good or
bad) of PPC cards??

Personally speaking, I've had a couple of minor niggling problems with
PPC, but they were fixed quickly enough.  Now I have a fast, stable
system and the good points defintiely outweigh any bad points.

regards

chris

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Hi Matthew,

On 27-Aug-99 you wrote:

> "Unicieeeeeeeeeees (up and down in pitch) no-one else can do the things
> you doooooo...."

AAAAAARRRGGGHHHHH!!!!  I've got that tune stuck in my head now!  And
I can't remember any more of the words so it's just that line over
and over and over...

Martin.
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Ben Vost said, 

> Hi Neil,

>> I didn't find it that useful. It's just a command reference, it doesn't
>> help much with explaining how JavaScript works or how to do specific
>> things.

> Which your tutorial *will* do, no? :)

Couldn't you have mentioned that /before/ I wrote it?

:-)

Neil
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On 27-Aug-99 20:00:16, Alan Day said about [afb] Adios Amiga:

> Bye everyone.  I'm off to PC land to run Win98 and SuSE Linux 6.2.  I have
> been a loyal Amiga user since 1989 (and C= C64 before that).  But enough is
> enough.
ROTFL!!!! I hope he enjoys his P.C.....most of my workmates have them and the
problems they encounter are nothing short of horrendous.Installing a game
seems to be the favourite way to completely wipe your setup.Not being able to
connect to the Internet/mail is another and lets not forget the biggest....my
P.C. lost the mouse/sound card/video card when I next rebooted!
Installing windows 98 in place of 95 tends to destroy their machine as well
with errors like "Please contact your vendor" appearing and/or failing to
boot after the instal.As for plug and play scanners.....Hehehehehe!
> Alan Day  -  Dumfries & Galloway,  Scotland,  UK

Dumfries is famous only for Sheep!!!

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Hello Neil

On 28-Aug-99, you wrote:

> Hi,
> 
>> Bye everyone. I'm off to PC land to run Win98 and SuSE Linux 6.2. I have
>> been a loyal Amiga user since 1989 (and C= C64 before that). But enough
>> is enough.
> 
> Suit yourself. I have to say, you can't have been very loyal to be able to
> do this, I literally COULDN'T leave the platform now, even if I wanted to
> since so much I do it tied in with the Amiga and the PC is just so
> unfriendly and, basically, crap.
> 
I will conti nue to use my Amiga for Scala and will probably buy OS3.5 and
Voyager3/NC3.
PC's aren't that crap  ONLY WIndows.  Thats why I have SuSE Linux.  But I
require Windoze98 for my Open University course material (not just fo
assignments but interactive/learning CDRom.)

>> If you have not been to the executive update at Amiga then do so. Amiga
>> is clearly not going to ship "products" let alone "Real Amiga's" this
>> year.
> 
> So? I never expected they would. I don't suppose many were surprised when
> it was known that the machines wouldn't be shipped this year. What
> difference with another few months make. Tis better to release a tested,
> working computer rather than sub standard, untested, unworking computer.

Of course, but at the time the Linux announcement they said they were on
schedule - one more lie to dd to the list.

> 
>> Choosing the Linux kernel means the death of Amiga platform. There is no
> 
> HA! Think what you like, but also think about this: Would you be leaving
> if Amiga had not first announced it's partnership with QNX? What
> difference does a change of kernel make? It's the overlying operating
> system/environment which counts!

I have to admit that dropping QNX was the catalyst.  I was pretty confident
about the Amiga's future - but Amiga's announcement undermined this
confidence and "gutted" my faith in the Amiga platform.  I have been pretty
pessemistic ever since.
> 
>> way that Amiga will be able to create a viable platform on top of an open
>> source OS kernel.  The Linux community will simply create open source
>> equivalents, making Amiga obsolete.  Not that I have anything against
>> Linux.  I like Linux and I like open source.
> 
> Amiga have already said that they intend to release improvements they make
> on the kernel back to the Linux community. The actual OS won't be open
> source and I don't see how people will create open source equivalents of
> it! If you like Linux, and want to run it on your 'new' system, what is
> your reasoning behind leaving when you obviously think that the OE on the
> new Amiga's will actually BE Linux (which it won't).

They HAVE to release the kernel - GPL.   But WHO will develop for an OE on
top of the Linux kernel when the can simply release a Linux version that
works across multiple plaforms and reaches a wider audience (including
Amiga MCC).  As far as I can tell the OE is simply Java stuff ontop of the
Linux kernel with an Amiga widows manager for X.  Open Source is a Windows
killer.  So what chance does Amiga have.  If their is any innovative stuff
then the Linux community will simply make their own open source equivalent
- there is plent of Java VM around.
> 
> <SNIP load of junk>
> 
> I really don't care what you've ordered.

It was really to point out the cost of equipment.  What  Amiga equipment 
could I buy for this amount?  A pretty sh**** PPC card and gfx card (even a
G3 will be 600 only a little less than I am spending, yet I will have a
17" monitor, HD, DVD, 128 SDRAM).  I had been saving for the new Amiga. 
Now it is not coming anytime soon.  I have not bought a new computer for
about 7 years (maybe more, testament to the Amiga's durability).  But my
Amiga no longer fulfills all my requirements and their are no new machines
available (despite promises)
> 
>> I am normally polite but
>> UP YOURS Mr Collas, Havemose, Le Faivre
> 
> You are one of the people who have chosen to leave at the MOST STUPID
> time! I'm completely baffled by the braindead decision making processes
> behind this! Surely, if you're an actual Amiga fan, you'd wait for the new
> Amiga before making a decision to jump ship? Why didn't you go when
> Commodore went down if you're such a pessimist as your mail makes you
> seem? You and the rest of the other people who decided to leave at this
> time do not deserve to own the new Amiga if/when it comes out. Surely
> being an Amiga fan this long has taught you some faith! It would seem not
> from your mail.

I am sorry.  I cannot  identify with the so called new Amiga.  I have become
increasingly aware that  Amiga Inc are not really interested in the Amiga. 
From Gateway Executive saying that Amiga Inc "is definitely not a computer
company." to a recent article that claimed GW paid $14m for the Amiga
treasure chest of patents with the intention of claiming royalties from
other companies infringing these patents.
Also the Playstaion2 seems similar in concept  to the new Amiga(and running
Linux I believe)
I will continue to use my miggy as is, ut really it will be in
semi-retirement.
A sad day indeed.
> 

Regards
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----- Original Message -----
From: Alan Day <wysiwyg@ukonline.co.uk>
To: <afb@egroups.com>
Sent: 28 August 1999 18:30
Subject: [afb] Re: Adios Amiga


> > since so much I do it tied in with the Amiga and the PC is just so
> > unfriendly and, basically, crap.
> I will conti nue to use my Amiga for Scala and will probably buy OS3.5 and
> Voyager3/NC3.
> PC's aren't that crap  ONLY WIndows.  Thats why I have SuSE Linux.  But I
> require Windoze98 for my Open University course material (not just fo
> assignments but interactive/learning CDRom.)

Oh, so you're not leaving the Amiga for the PC as you originally said? (See
below)

> Of course, but at the time the Linux announcement they said they were on
> schedule - one more lie to dd to the list.

So, no-one is ever allowed to fall behind scedule then? And didn't you lie by
saying you were leaving the Amiga when you're not?

> I have to admit that dropping QNX was the catalyst.  I was pretty confident
> about the Amiga's future - but Amiga's announcement undermined this
> confidence and "gutted" my faith in the Amiga platform.  I have been pretty
> pessemistic ever since.

Fine.

> Amiga no longer fulfills all my requirements and their are no new machines
> available (despite promises)

Amiga didn't say they'd be available now did they?

> Alan Day  -  Dumfries & Galloway,  Scotland,  UK

Took my advice about Team Amiga...

Neil

>> But hey, at least I'm admitting it ;)

> Congratulate than man on his honesty!!!!!!!!

But would he have said anything if it were not for Gazzagate? I agree wit=
h your point in a previous mail though, all learner programmers play with=
 other peoples source, but I for one never released anything as my own wo=
rk when it wasnt.

Although I did hex edit an old scene intro with my name to try and convin=
ce a schoolfriend I was, in fact, "on the scene". But that was many years=
 ago :) (and I am actually "on the scene" now too :)



=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
so long and thanks for all the fish
      http://fly.to/Mr_Tickle
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Real meanings #4:
NETWARE: Never Easily Talks With Any Remote Equipment

Matthew O'Neill said, 

> Hi Neil

>> I have 6 mails which reside on the Freeserve mail server, but refuse to
>> download to my machine. How do I get rid of 'em?

> Download all the other mail, then set YAM to delete any mails larger than 1K

What happens to any mail that arrives between the first and second
actions?


Neil
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Gaz-JD/FX-s^D said, 

>    If we moved all the off-topic threads over to AFB-OT, then fromw hat I've
> read over the past week or so (since I've been subscribed) there would only
> be about 5 mails on the main AFB list per day ;)))))

Cutting down on the off-topic trivia often results in an increase in
more serious, on-topic discussions.

Stomping on such behaviour on cu-list resulted in a very interesting
thread on AmigaObjects, Java, security and broadband Internet
connections.

Trivialising everything can lead to people refraining from posting more
serious messages.


Neil
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Hi Peter
On the 28-Aug-99 you said something about [afb] Re: A confession ;) so now I am going to offer a witty retort (well maybe :)

>> Congratulate than man on his honesty!!!!!!!!

Thanx hawks ;)

> But would he have said anything if it were not for Gazzagate? I agree with

That is true, I probalby wouldn't. Everyone who knows me knowws about it
tho, so it wouldn't have been long b4 it got out ;)

> your point in a previous mail though, all learner programmers play with
> other peoples source, but I for one never released anything as my own work
> when it wasnt.

SOME of it was my own work, just about 3 lines ;) And it is the ONLY thing
I've ever tried to pass off as my own when it wasn't. Not like Mr Murfin is
seemingly doing (emphasis on seemingly) which is much worse.
 
> Although I did hex edit an old scene intro with my name to try and
> convince a schoolfriend I was, in fact, "on the scene". But that was many
> years ago :) (and I am actually "on the scene" now too :)

Aah! But that's just as bad see! Now stay away from my bins?!?!?!?


Where the hell did that come from?

I told a mate that I wrote Frontier (the stupid sucker believed me as well)
but I didn't hex-edit it (well, not for that purpose. I hex-edited it to
remove the copy protection (see note 1) and to alter the ship names to make
it more exciting)

Note 1: THE INFO FOR THIS OPERATION WAS TAKEN FROM THE AMIGAPATCHLIST FROM
AMINET, SO IS NOT STRICTLY ILLEGAL, BASED AROUND THE FACT THAT I HAVEN'T,
AND NEVER WILL, DISTRIBUTE MY 'CRACKED' VERSION.
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Hi Neil
On the 28-Aug-99 you said something about [afb] Re: Freeserve Mail so now I am going to offer a witty retort (well maybe :)

>> Download all the other mail, then set YAM to delete any mails larger than
>> 1K
> 
> What happens to any mail that arrives between the first and second
> actions?
> 

Just set it to pre-select ALWAYS and then just choose which msgs to
download/delete!
> 
> Neil
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Hello Ian

On 29-Aug-99, you wrote:

> On 27-Aug-99 20:00:16, Alan Day said about [afb] Adios Amiga:
> 
>> Bye everyone. I'm off to PC land to run Win98 and SuSE Linux 6.2. I have
>> been a loyal Amiga user since 1989 (and C= C64 before that). But enough
>> is enough.
> ROTFL!!!! I hope he enjoys his P.C.....most of my workmates have them and
> the problems they encounter are nothing short of horrendous.Installing a
> game seems to be the favourite way to completely wipe your setup.Not being
> able to connect to the Internet/mail is another and lets not forget the
> biggest....my P.C. lost the mouse/sound card/video card when I next
> rebooted! Installing windows 98 in place of 95 tends to destroy their
> machine as well with errors like "Please contact your vendor" appearing
> and/or failing to boot after the instal.As for plug and play
> scanners.....Hehehehehe!

I dont intend to be using Windoze very much..SuSE Linux 6.2
>> Alan Day  -  Dumfries & Galloway,  Scotland,  UK
> 
> Dumfries is famous only for Sheep!!!
> 
The home of Rabbie Burns, erm and David Coulthard :)whoopeee NOT.

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Hello Neil

On 28-Aug-99, you wrote:

> Oh, so you're not leaving the Amiga for the PC as you originally said?
> (See below)
> 
> So, no-one is ever allowed to fall behind scedule then? And didn't you lie
> by saying you were leaving the Amiga when you're not?

Yes. I am.  But that does not mean my miggy suddenly becomes completely
redundant.
No I did not lie. My miggy will stay at my parents so I can access the
Internet and use Scala when necessary. 
> 
>> Amiga no longer fulfills all my requirements and their are no new
>> machines available (despite promises)
> 
> Amiga didn't say they'd be available now did they?
They have been saying Nov 99 for over a year.  They said only a few weeks
ago that they were still on  schedule.
> 
>> Alan Day  -  Dumfries & Galloway,  Scotland,  UK
> 
> Took my advice about Team Amiga...
just for you
hmmm sig was too big

Hope Amiga Inc proves me wrong.  I would certainly buy the phase5 K2.  Even
if QNX sunk it would still make apretty cool LinuxPPC box
 
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Hello Thomas

On 27-Aug-99, you wrote:

(snip)

>TH The only thing proven about AGA is that it's slower than a dead athritic
>TH snail nailed to the floor trying to pull a skoda with the handbrake on.

Well you learn something new evey day on this list.
'Frinstance, I never knew that snails had handbrakes.   &)

All the Best

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> >> Just ordered:-
> >> Celeron 400mhz
> >> 128mb 100mhz SDRAM
> >> 16mb 3dfx AGP gfx card
> >> PCI 128 sound card
> >> 8gb HD
> >> 17" Viewsonic monitor
> >> 5x DVD 40x CD-ROM Drive
> >> Win98 & SuSE Linux 6.2
> >> 780 inc vat & del.

In short a bucket of overpriced shite - and I should know seeing as I make a
living working on a PC magazine. Unless the Viewsonic monitor is a flat
panel like the one I lent to SEAL at World of Amiga - in which case the
price would be about right.

I normally refrain from getting involved in these 'I'm pissed off with the
Amiga so I'm getting a PC instead' threads - but I found this so amusing I
had to chip in.

Intel has just slashed the price of the Celeron range for a reason - vendors
are avoiding them like the plague and more to the point the AMD Athlon (K7)
is set to wipe the floor with it at the low end of the market.

Returning to the point of this mail though - it seems our misguided afb-er
has been charged top dollar plus a bit more on each and every component - Oh
dear! This just goes to show that its not only the Amiga market that suffers
from a bit of artificial inflation, but for those who are interested, here's
what it should have cost - just for the comedy value:

Celeron 400mhz - 65
128mb 100mhz SDRAM - 75
16mb 3dfx AGP gfx card - 30
PCI 128 sound card 28
8gb HD - 75
17" Viewsonic monitor (not flatscreen) - 110
5x DVD 40x CD-ROM Drive - 58
Win98 & SuSE Linux 6.2 - 25
Total cost: 466

But perhaps more interesting is that in real terms - Our unlucky user will
probably be no better off than they were with a 680x0-based computer.

Cheers
Chris Green
Technical Editor
Computing

>> Although I did hex edit an old scene intro with my name to try and
>> convince a schoolfriend I was, in fact, "on the scene". But that was many
>> years ago :) (and I am actually "on the scene" now too :)

> Aah! But that's just as bad see! Now stay away from my bins?!?!?!?

Not really, because i didnt spread it. Just showed him it on my pooter.



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Real meanings #8:
AMOS: A Mass Of Shite

Hi Alan, re your comments on [afb] Adios Amiga.
> Hello,
> 
> Bye everyone.  I'm off to PC land to run Win98 and SuSE Linux 6.2.  I have
> been a loyal Amiga user since 1989 (and C= C64 before that).  But enough is
> enough.
> If you have not been to the executive update at Amiga then do so.
> Amiga is clearly not going to ship "products" let alone "Real Amiga's" this
> year.
> Choosing the Linux kernel means the death of  Amiga platform.  There is no
> way that Amiga will be able to create a viable platform on top of an open
> source OS kernel.  The Linux community will simply create open source
> equivalents, making Amiga obsolete.  Not that I have anything against
> Linux.  I like Linux and I like open source.

You're possibly right, but to make that decision now? It seems to defy
logic.
 
> Just ordered:-
> Celeron 400mhz
> 128mb 100mhz SDRAM
> 16mb 3dfx AGP gfx card
> PCI 128 sound card
> 8gb HD
> 17" Viewsonic monitor
> 5x DVD 40x CD-ROM Drive
> Win98 & SuSE Linux 6.2
> 780 inc vat & del. from http://www.it-pc.co.uk

Your choice I suppose, but have you actually used this stuff for any
length of time? I use wintel at work and my sister, Parents and
In-laws have all recently bought PCs and, yes, they're shiny and new
and they have big screens and nice icons, but it really is all smoke
and mirrors. It's fine if you're new to the game or have only ever
used wintel, but trying to achieve anything slightly out of the
ordinary is like drawing teeth, and in my experience the nicest thing
about the Amiga is that it makes the extrordinary ordinary. I really
don't think you'll enjoy it, but you've spent your money. You've made
your bed - now you're going to have to lie on it :/

> I am normally polite but
> UP YOURS Mr Collas, Havemose, Le Faivre

Well quite. I'm sure Messrs Collas, Havemose and Le Faivre will be
mortified.

Au revoir then Alan
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On Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:11:40 +0100, Ken Walsh said:
<problems downloading news>
 
> The trouble is the group I'm going to is very busy and even a day and a half
> gets hundreds (if not a couple of 1000)

Sorry Ken, I can't think of any way to achieve what you want with MD2.
Although a good basic newsreader, it's not that configurable. To do all the
"fancy" but very useful stuff, you need to use a dedicated usenet reader.
I don't want to start a Thor/Newsrog battle, but really, you should try the
demo's of both and see if you feel that the investment is worth it for what
you want from a newsreader.

Chris.

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> Hi,
>   I emailed the two companies above asking for them to convert to the Amiga
> the sequel to Frontier. You know, that First Encoutners one.

> And get this.

> They said that they were thinking about it (well, DI did) and that they were
> waiting for Braben or whoever is doing it to finish Elite 4, and then they
> would try and convert both over so that Amiga owners had all 4 games.

> I think thats what tthey meant anyway. I interpreted it as that ;)

Blody excelent, 
yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yeah! yea
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Trouble is, it's probably a hunge great porker though, whey would David Braben give then the source code for his brand spanking new game, only for someone else to make the money from it. I suppose he might do it himself, but he hasn't ported 3 so why would he do 4 aswell? Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaas going on?

Neil Thomas AKA BobF
 

Hello Ian

On 28-Aug-99, you wrote:

> On 27-Aug-99 20:00:16, Alan Day said about [afb] Adios Amiga:
> 
>>  Bye everyone. I'm off to PC land to run Win98 and SuSE Linux 6.2. I have
>>  been a loyal Amiga user since 1989 (and C= C64 before that). But enough
>>  is enough.
> ROTFL!!!! I hope he enjoys his P.C.....most of my workmates have them and
> the problems they encounter are nothing short of horrendous.Installing a
> game seems to be the favourite way to completely wipe your setup.Not being
> able to connect to the Internet/mail is another and lets not forget the
> biggest....my P.C. lost the mouse/sound card/video card when I next
> rebooted! Installing windows 98 in place of 95 tends to destroy their
> machine as well with errors like "Please contact your vendor" appearing
> and/or failing to boot after the instal.As for plug and play
> scanners.....Hehehehehe!
>> Alan Day  -  Dumfries & Galloway,  Scotland,  UK
> 
> Dumfries is famous only for Sheep!!!

Dam! I thought DUM-FRIES was Stupid Chips ;-)
Best
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make it shorter.
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Hi Neil

> >> Deprecating the LANGUAGE attribute was the other strange decision.
>
> > I presume it was replaced by TYPE.  I suppose they did it to keep the
> > overall number of attributes down.  After all, an atrribute TYPE could
be
> > applied to more tags than LANGUAGE.
>
> But TYPE doesn't allow you to specify the language version, which is
> very important with JavaScript. some of the commands changed behaviour
> between 1.1 sand 1.2 so the browser needs to know which implementation
> to use.

So it's still best to include a LANGUAGE definition then.

Tatty byes
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efficient beating

Hi Andy

> >> years, anyway, bet you've never heard of "devil's bridge" either
>
> >What, in Germany?

Sorry, the one I was thinking of is in Switzerland.  My memory of 1988 is a
bit flaky.


> Or the one in North (?) Wales?

I think there is one North Wales.  I should know, I've bloody well been to
it.

Tatty byes
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efficient beating

Hi Matthew

> >>> Never?  How long you been living here?
>
> >> years, anyway, bet you've never heard of "devil's bridge" either
>
> > What, in Germany?
>
> Nope, the Lutonian one

Er, of course I have.  What do you think I am, some kind of, erm,
geographically-inept eejit?

Tatty byes
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On 26-Aug-99, Brian Edward Soley wrote:

> I have just dipped my toes into IRC.  I am looking 4 interesting 
> chatrooms/channels.  I hope some1 can help me.  

Check out ARCNet

Use these servers:

uk1.arcnet.vapor.com
uk2.arcnet.vapor.com
uk3.arcnet.vapor.com

And channel: #amiga

:)

Paul
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Hi all

I have just got round to listening to the MP2 files on the CD, and
IMHO Jim Collas has missed his vocation.

CEO of a small technology business? No, not really. Southern Baptist
Minister. I think so.

The content of the speech was hazy and didn't really tell us anything
we hadn't heard before, but I felt tingles down my spine as I
listened to him.

Anyway, the crux of the matter, especially following the recent poll
and Alan defecting to the peesee. Can we trust Jim? Well, he's either
the greatest showman since P T Barnum, or he has a passion and
conviction that will power Amiga onwards.

Re listen to the MPs and decide for yourselves, but I'm now definately
here for the long haul :)
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Bonsoir,

I'm always waiting for the 540 Mb scsi drive I won. I have sended two mails to Ben Vost and I got no answer. So Ben, if you're heere, send me a message.

It's the first time I won a price in an AF competition during my 5 years subscriptions so I don't want to lose it.

 bientt...
-- 
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http://home.nordnet.fr/~smartin/noframes/index.shtml

Hi all,

I see from the Amiga web site that Petro is appearing on a German chat
show next month.

Do we really need this?

BTW what is German for "Keep dar marmentum goink" ;)
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>>> Powered by Amiga in Crewe
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Hello ,

On 28-Aug-99, you wrote:


> Hi all,
> 
> I see from the Amiga web site that Petro is appearing on a German chat
> show next month.

Actually it is a bit more than a chat show, it is a daily computer and
internet show on NBC Europe.
 
> Do we really need this?

He is supposed to talk about Amiga's past, Commodore and Escom, etc. And
while I agree that he is not what you would call a marketing guy, does
not have complete technical understanding of the Amiga, he should know
about its history. He was the one who kept the company going through two
bankrupts. Most of you seem to think he is a bit ridiculous, but you
have to keep in mind that English is not his native language. He might
get all the words right, but maybe he lacks a bit of "feeling" for the
English language. That's why he might convey the image of a small,
freaky German. I have seen interviews with him on German television, and
he left a quite natural impression on me.

> BTW what is German for "Keep dar marmentum goink" ;)

"Lass rollen, Mann!" :)

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Hello Ian

On 29-Aug-99, you wrote:

> Hello Ian
> 
> On 28-Aug-99, you wrote:
> 
>> On 27-Aug-99 20:00:16, Alan Day said about [afb] Adios Amiga:
>> 
>>> Bye everyone. I'm off to PC land to run Win98 and SuSE Linux 6.2. I
>>> have
>>> been a loyal Amiga user since 1989 (and C= C64 before that). But enough
>>> is enough.
>> ROTFL!!!! I hope he enjoys his P.C.....most of my workmates have them and
>> the problems they encounter are nothing short of horrendous.Installing a
>> game seems to be the favourite way to completely wipe your setup.Not
>> being able to connect to the Internet/mail is another and lets not forget
>> the biggest....my P.C. lost the mouse/sound card/video card when I next
>> rebooted! Installing windows 98 in place of 95 tends to destroy their
>> machine as well with errors like "Please contact your vendor" appearing
>> and/or failing to boot after the instal.As for plug and play

> 
> Dam! I thought DUM-FRIES was Stupid Chips ;-)

pronounced Dum freece :)
If there was a PPC box available I would consider buying one and running
Linux.  Macs are way overpriced as are the forth coming G3 cards.  I am not
willing to spend hundrds of pounds to still have an underpowered machine. 
Although it would probably trounce a PIII 500 with Windoze, Linux is
considerably better and I quite fancy playing QIII on Linux.  All my mates
have long since moved to PC's (except one - although none have sold their
Amigas).  I decided last Christmas that I would give it until Christmas 99
for a new Amiga to appear, but  I  need Windoze compatabilty now (uchhhh)
so.......

Regards
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Hello Chris

On 28-Aug-99, you wrote:


> Intel has just slashed the price of the Celeron range for a reason -
> vendors are avoiding them like the plague and more to the point the AMD
> Athlon (K7) is set to wipe the floor with it at the low end of the market.
> 
The register has reported that the PIII and Athlon are rubbish (bang for
buck against the K6 and Celeron)
> 
> Celeron 400mhz - 65
> 128mb 100mhz SDRAM - 75
> 16mb 3dfx AGP gfx card - 30
> PCI 128 sound card 28
> 8gb HD - 75
> 17" Viewsonic monitor (not flatscreen) - 110
> 5x DVD 40x CD-ROM Drive - 58
> Win98 & SuSE Linux 6.2 - 25
> Total cost: 466
> 

hmmm, from where.  I shopped around alot and the above is considerably
cheaper than anywhere else ( using Computer Shopper mostly ).  The big
manufacturers are charging at  least a grand for the above. (btw BX
motherboard not cheapo celeron only m/b. gfx card 3dfx voodoo 2000).  The
cheapest I could find a 17" monitor was about 150 with 180 for a decent
brand (inc vat).  25 for Windoze and SuSELinux.  Really?  SuSE 6.1 cost me
25 a few months back - but that was direct from Suse in Germany with 5cds,
support and manuals.  As to Windoze yo can get second hand but suppliers
charge from 60.  Have I been looking in the wrong places?
Unfortunately I need windoze for the Open University otherwise I would be
content with Linux.
Hell Eyetech charge 599 for  a Cyrix 333 MII, 32mb 100mhz ram, 24x cdrom
with crap gfx and sound.  Although it has siamese rtg 2.1 tv tuner and
scandoubler/monitor switcher.  I considered getting one as I could put my
1200 in the EZ-Tower...but it doesn't even come with amonitor & I already
have the infinitive tower anyway.
Regards
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Hi Thomas
On 27-Aug-99, you wrote

>> hehehe. Such a nice way of putting it :) Anyway, if it is to be the
>> British way (and proper way - what on EARTH is the reasoning behind
>> putting the month first!)

> It aids in sorting - you can sort on month more easily with mm/dd/yy.

1) it doesn't help at all, ANY software can change the sort order
2) What if you don't wanna sort by month? month is the least likeoly to be
sorted by

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Hello Chris

On 28-Ago-99, Chris Green wrote:

 That
> didn't even require the socket risers - 

You do if you have a BVision

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Hi Vincenzo
> You do if you have a BVision

OK, that explains the socket risers, but that still doesn't explain what
this guy wants this 'cable' for?

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Hi Gaz-JD/FX-s^D
On 28-Aug-99, you wrote

>   Before anyone finds out about it, my JokerScope program from AFCD37 was
> in fact the Red When Excited one from the Blitz2 distribution just edited
> slightly, re-compiled, and with a couple of features removed.

> But hey, at least I'm admitting it ;)

Here's a rapist (holds hand above head)
Here's Bill Gates (holds hand above chest)
Here's your ripp-off "software" (Digs 5 foot deep hole and puts hand down to
the bottom)

Thats how low you are ;)

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Love truth but pardon error.

Hi Ben
On 28-Aug-99, you wrote

> Yep, yep. Dinnae fash, all starting in AF130.

WTF is dinnae fash?

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Hi Tom
On 28-Aug-99, you wrote

> Brain: Are you thinking what I'm thinking?
> Pinky: I think so, but how will we get the Spice Girls to agree to it.

Poite

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Hi Paul
On 28-Aug-99, you wrote

> BTW - irritator - not a good idea to make it rename files in C: IMHO

It renames system vital files!??? jeez!, how often?, I had that running for
half an hour while I went for a crap once!, I thought it just did random
mouse clicks and stuff?

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Hi Ben
On 28-Aug-99, you wrote

> The limit is back to 200, but I've been deleting any messages over the
> 200, so you should never get more...

Ahhhh :( Now I've gotta write another 50 mails a day to fill the space ;)

>> 306 yesterday,
>> 211 today...

> Dunno what happened there. Are you getting your mail at the same time
> every day?

1) Thats all my mails, about 40 of them weren't from afb
2) on the 306 day I got my mail 2 hours later than normal, about half 8 at
night

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Hi Jon
On 28-Aug-99, you wrote

>   Can you do something about those two, you know the two I'm writing
> about, the two who use up nearly half the 200 mail limit on this list
> everyday, the trouble is they seldom write anything of use, just the one
> or two liners in reply,

Me?.......(said in a Tiny Tim innocent, "please don't kill me, I'm an
orphan, and poor" kind of way)

I'll cut back in a couple of days when college kicks back in, until then,
enjoy your extra 50 mails a day :)

And anyway, I'dl rather see someone sending 20 1-liners a day than 1 mail
which quotes the entire original and adds a "me too"

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Hi fool
On 28-Aug-99, you wrote

>>>> I didn't know FAQ was 'fack'.

>>> Uhm, it isn't, is it?  I don't want to turn this into YATAP (OA ;)
>>> but no one I know says "fack" - they all say F-A-Q.

>> FAQ off you weird TV standard veiwing weirdo ;)

> Could you try that again?  Possibly in English this time?

Whats wrong with that? I might have got 1 or 2 "i"'s and "e"'s the wrong way
round, but you can see what it says? It's a continuing joke from whoever
said about the way cockneys pronounce it. See?

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Hi Bert
On 28-Aug-99, you wrote

>> Ok, who do you think we should have?
>> ----
>> 
>> Please select one of the following:
>> 
>>   o Amy the Squirrel
>>   o That Boing ball mutation
>>   o Some Tick mutation
>>   o Petro on a stick
>>   o Ben
>>   o Something new
>>   o Ben's Beard thing
>>   o Mascots are stupid

> How about adding Pam Anderson, the ultimate silicon Amiga ;=)

Ohhhh, drole (drole, not drool)

ps. "Mine didn't get cancelled!, mine didn't get cancelled!....."

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Hi lsd@tekrum.com
On 28-Aug-99, you wrote

> I was under the impression you get a cable with the socket raisers
> (otherwise

Don't the socket raisers just clip under the ROMS to make them a little
higer?

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Ben Vost reckons he knows a bit about [afb] Re: More on AF 128, but there's more to it than that.

> Hi Paul,

> > To write for the only professional Amiga magazine when you have an
> > 030 either means you are seriously underpaid or you only do it
> > casually - like he has another full time job.

> Most people who do write for AF have another job. Besides which, how
> realistic would the mag be if we only had PPCs and gfx cards?

Eh? That's not what I meant. You can bet your life if Rodney (sorry, I
mean Dave) was full time AF he would have a more powerful machine.
That's what I meant. Anyway, you don't /only/ have to have PPC/GFX
cards - we already know you have various bits and bobs lying around
(most of them sent free for review, you lucky ****** ;)

> Ben Vost

Paul C, call me when you try to wake her
--
... What's pink, wrinkled and hangs out your trousers?
    Your gran.

What are you on about, Matthew O'Neill?

> Hi Paul

Hello, there; doodle-oo-do, doodle-oo-do-doo-do,
 
> > Hello Ben, how are the jets?

> eh?

A crap joke. Elton John wrote the song "Benny and the Jets" which
happened to have been playing on the radio a bit earlier.

> > where are the reader games?

> /me imagines the toity music from "A bout De Souffle" and a puzzled
> inspector with his hand on his chin...

eh?

> > didn't know FAQ was 'fack'. 
 
> How else would it be said?

F-A-Q. eff-ay-queue. (but only once, obviously)

> > 32) p.72 Amiga.net. Who is Dave Cusick.

> blasphemy (does it have an "o" in there somewhere?)

Where?

> DaveC, hangs out on #amigacafe. he's a freelance type guy, professionals don't need
> crays to write stuff on you know

Er, no, but if you actually review stuff you're gonna need the stuff
to review it on. Maybe he has. Anyway, I can't afford IRC, there's
enough pants floating around this list for my phone bill.

> > 35) p.76 Are you going to let us see more of that Boing character
> > or not? And has Colin got that promotion I'm giving him yet?
 
> please no (the character, not the promo)

Whyyyyyyyyyyy? Why don't you do something better then?

> Cherio bye ta tar

> <sb>Matthew O'Neill  -  MashWoman

Paul C, who close Matt(hews?) bracket for him.
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On Sat Aug 28, Tom Underwood was heard muttering:

> >Pinky & The Brain is the best cartoon ever in the history of all things.

> >Pinky: What are we going to do tonight, Brain?
> >Brain: Same thing we do every night, Pinky, try to take over the world.
 
> Brain: Are you thinking what I'm thinking?
> Pinky: I think so, but how will we get the Spice Girls to agree to it.
 
> (Or something like that :)

This is /way/ too scary. I just sent the same thing. But I thought it
was "...get the Spice Girls into the paella".
Was that the "air cow" episode?

> Tom

Paul C, you and I know
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The name's O'Neill, Matthew O'Neill, licence to email.

> Hi Paul

Hmmmmmmmmm ;)

> > Hey? What words don't have aeiou or y in them, but do have h.
 
> "hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm"

Have you had long enough to think about it yet?

> <sb>Matthew O'Neill  -  MashMan
 
> #16>  A deal is a deal.

?

Paul C, hairy
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Hi Alan

> The register has reported that the PIII and Athlon are rubbish (bang for
> buck against the K6 and Celeron)

Mike Magee's disillusionment with the PIII and the Athlon is based more on
the fact that the market for them (along with the K6 and Celeron) is
completely saturated, rather than just on pure technical arguments. He and I
went to Germany recently to meet with AMD - so he knows full well that
technically it is a superior x86 chip - it's just buggered by flaky demand
and crap margins right now.

BTW - I know the Register is good - but it is also like The Sun - just
because it printed something, does not mean it is 100% accurate. Try
exploring a few other technology news sites as well, such as Computing's for
example at www.computingnet.co.uk) to add balance to your intake of
technology information.

> hmmm, from where.  I shopped around a lot and the above is considerably
> cheaper than anywhere else ( using Computer Shopper mostly ).

Well that explains it - you need to ditch the copy of shopper and learn to
shop around properly. That means computer fairs and technology-rich shopping
areas, like Tottenham Court Road, as well as the Internet. Sites like QXL
shift gear that even undercuts what I quoted.

> The big manufacturers are charging at least a grand for the above.

Well what do you expect! For example, Gateway has an assembly plant
employing 4,000 workers that cost 600million to build, likewise with Dell,
Compaq, Time, Tiny, IBM, Acer etc - brand names equal bigger overheads and
inflated prices for the same components a local back-street shop would use
to slap a PC together for half the cost - that's how things are in the
desktop market right now.

> (btw BX motherboard not cheapo celeron only m/b. gfx card 3dfx voodoo
2000).  The
> cheapest I could find a 17" monitor was about 150 with 180 for a decent
> brand (inc vat).  25 for Windoze and SuSELinux.  Really?  SuSE
> 6.1 cost me
> 25 a few months back - but that was direct from Suse in Germany

[ Snip ]

OK, allow an extra 30 for the graphics card. I forgot to factor in a
motherboard - a decent BX-based board will set you back about 30. Apart
from that the original quote is still valid, and already included a
Viewsonic 17inch CRT monitor. Either way - you're throwing away more money
that you need to on your new dust-bucket.

Regarding your other comments - I refer you to my previous statement - ditch
your copy of Comp. Shopper and learn to shop for computers properly. Try
getting out of your armchair to find a good deal instead of flicking through
one mag full of mail-order dealers passing on their inflated overheads to
you.

> Hell Eyetech charge 599 for  a Cyrix 333 MII, 32mb 100mhz ram, 24x cdrom
> with crap gfx and sound.

Yes and they also sell a Fujitsu thermal printer for 50 when Morgan's
currently sell the same one for 10. Eyetech are far from the cheapest
company in the Amiga market and make for a poor example to back-up your
dying point.

Oh - and on another note - I forgot to say earlier that your original
comments were both childish and pathetic. If you can't string together an
intelligent criticism without resorting to rudeness more suited to a Carry
On film - don't bother sharing your ill-reasoned opinions with the rest of
us.

Enjoy your PC - and may you haemorrhage a fortune in cash to keep it
struggling along in the months ahead :)

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On Sat Aug 28, Tom Waddington was heard muttering:

> Pinky & The Brain is the best cartoon ever in the history of all things.
 
> Pinky: What are we going to do tonight, Brain?
> Brain: Same thing we do every night, Pinky, try to take over the world.

Are you thinking what I'm thinking, Pinky?
I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the Spice Girls into
the paella?

> Tom Waddington

Paul C, wondering how long before the compaints start
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Hi Matthew
On the 28-Aug-99 you said something about [afb] Re: FAO: Paul C so now I am going to offer a witty retort (well maybe :)

> It renames system vital files!??? jeez!, how often?, I had that running
> for half an hour while I went for a crap once!, I thought it just did
> random mouse clicks and stuff?

ONLY IF IT OPENS UP A CLI, HAPPENS TO PICK THAT COMMAND FROM THE LIST, AND
IT DON'T CLOSE THE WINDOW AFTER< SO YOU CAN SEE IT!

Besides, you can edit the command, and I wouldn't call MagTape vital ;)
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Hi eddie@maddock.prestel.co.uk
On 28-Aug-99, you wrote

>> But how would he be able to gather the results that tCPU gives, if it
>> doesn't actually do some calculations? Why would he need to recieve
>> hard-coded results when he already knows what they're set at?
>> 
>> Thats a failed argument if ever I saw one!

> At least it's an argument of some description. The longer Gaz Murfin
> keeps quiet, the deeper the hole gets that he's digging for himself.
> For crying out loud Murfin, say something, anything... a "sod off"
> will do.

I must admit, the future isn't bright for Gaz (it's not even orange) But I
have a point, if he could get tCPU to gather results, why would he be
gathering them, only to hard code them in?

Cherio bye ta tar
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Hi Alan
On 28-Aug-99, you wrote

>> ==============================================================
>>               To be IMMEDIATELY removed from this mailing list 
>>    mailto:tl_remove@leonlai.net  with REMOVE  in the subject box.
>> THIS IS AN AUTOMATED SYSTEM AND THE WORD REMOVE MUST
>>           BE IN THE SUBJECT BOX FOR YOUR ADDRESS TO BE
>>               AUTOMATICLY  DELETED FROM OUR FILES
>> ==============================================================

1) Send it to them, not the list
2) Don't send it at all, they will add you to a database of email addresses,
not remove you

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Hi Hawkeye
On 28-Aug-99, you wrote

>>> Why do you need to have other people`s test results to improve
>>> the accuracy of a benchmarking utility? If it did as its supposed to
>>> you shouldn`t need other peoples results.
>>> Suggests he`s gathering speeds and adding them to the program.
>> 
>> But how would he be able to gather the results that tCPU gives, if it
>> doesn't actually do some calculations? Why would he need to recieve
>> hard-coded results when he already knows what they're set at?

> Haven`t you already answered you`re own question? 

No, like I said. You claim he is using tCPU to gather data, so he can hard
code it into future versions, but it must actually work to be able to
gather this data?

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Hi Gaz-JD/FX-s^D
On 28-Aug-99, you wrote

> Not necessarily. Maybe he collects them, and puts them all into the
> program, and then chooses one at random from the list for that CPU, so
> that everytime your un the program, the result may be different. In order
> to cover his tracks if you will...

But tCPU must really calculate these numbers so that they can be sent back
to Gaz, in which case why would he hard code them in?



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Hi

1) Who makes the IDE express?
2) Can you still buy the addon to make the standard 4-way buffer into the
fast 5meg a seocnd one?
3) How much?
4) How do I get my CD drive to work from the second port? Its sharing port 0
at the moment with the harddrive, but when I connect it to the other one
with a different cable, it can't read data. PlayCD will send the signal for
it to play, stop, and so on, but any data CD's wont work :/ All the
settings in IDE fix are set to auto, I've tried it manually too

Ta ta
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Please can anyone help me.
I think I've go a virus from somewhere. If I run Snoopdos I get
Findtask Diskdriver.proc
Findtask Greetings for Hochofen

I first noticed this when Genesis took a long time to go on line.

With Viruschecker running The above messaged seem to be linked to it???

Any assistance will be gratefully recieved.

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Hello Gaz-JD/FX-s^D, on 28-Aug-99 16:47:27 you said about:
  [afb] Taglines 

>Hi,
>   I also have other tagliens, not just Bother ones. If anyone wants them
>all, giz a bell and I'll send. I'm not sending it to here tho cos its 79K ;)
>Cya!

If anyone's interested, I've updated and uploaded my taglines file to my
homepage. It currently contains 1828 taglines and is available in lha
and zip flavours for those of you who are lumbered with PCs.

Follow the `Amiga' link on my homepage: http://www.wharne.u-net.com

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Hello Gaz-JD/FX-s^D, on 28-Aug-99 16:49:52 you said about:
  [afb] 060 accelerators 

>Hi,
>   Right, I'm gettin' mine soon (thanx to the bloke who I'm buying it off
>btw ;) but it hasn't got an SCSI-II kit on it. Any idea where I can get one
>of these (preferably 2nd-hand as I've heard they are expensive) for a
>Blizzard 1260/50?

New, Power Computing. Second hand, keep a look out on
http://www.amibench.org

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Hello Alex Furmanski, on 28-Aug-99 17:10:56 you said about:
  [afb] Re: Few things and people in Luton 

[sneeeeeeeeeeeeeppppp]

>> Or the one in North (?) Wales?

>I think there is one North Wales.  I should know, I've bloody well been to
>it.

So have I, but it must have been 19, maybe 20 years since I last went
there. Kinda weird tho', 3 bridges all on top of each other...

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Hello Jon Barker, on 27-Aug-99 21:03:36 you said about:
  [afb] Re: abc printer driver 

>Hello Andy

>On 27-Aug-99, Andy Mills wrote:

>> As well as the CD, Win95 came on something like 26 floppy disks. Try
>> reinstalling it on a regular basis... :(

>> Actually, being pedantic here, Windows 3.1x came on 7 HD floppies and
>> you /have/ to have DOS installed, so in fact it's 10 disks in all.

>   If you want to be pedantic, I have Win95 here on 13 HD floppies plus a
>bootdisk ;-)

Weird, I sure it was 26 disks. I can't check as I lent them to someone
about 1 years ago - still haven't had them back yet... :-/

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Hi,
   Firstly, it DOES NOT RENAME *VITAL* SYSTEM FILES!!!!

Does anyone use MagTape? I don't. I don't know anyone else who does, even
those with magnetic tape drives!

Secondly, you can edit the command anyway! Just load up
ENVARC:Irritator/Irritator.cmds intoa  text editor and change it!

Thirdly, I'll upload a (fixed) version to my site tonite. even tho it
doesn't need fixing. 

It is NOT a destructive command. Destructive would be delete or format,
commands which I would NEVER put in it.

Besides, if you leave it for long enough, it may rename it back ;) (check
the .cmds file)
Cya!
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Hello fool, on 27-Aug-99 23:37:30 you said about:
  [afb] Re: AFB-OT members, please read!!! 


>[snip]

>>>> After some arsewipe has been messing around on the afb-ot ML, 

>Uhm, that'll be me then - well, egroups really but I set things in
>motion so consider this a public apology (which would have been
>sooner but I didn't know that this was anything to do with me until
>now).

No probs.

Admittedly, I was a bit pissed about it at the time, but I'm not going
to lose any hair over it. (these things just happen)

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Hi Matthew
On the 28-Aug-99 you said something about [afb] Re: The Gaz Murfin affair... (fwd) so now I am going to offer a witty retort (well maybe :)

> But tCPU must really calculate these numbers so that they can be sent back
> to Gaz, in which case why would he hard code them in?

Well maybe they are hardcoded with a certain amount of randdomness. Say

<mock code>

If Processor=68030
  diff=Rnd(5)
  murfins=murf(3)+diff
endif

where murf(3) is the Murfin value for a 68030. We just don't knoo until gaz
speaks up for himself.
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Hello Alan

On 28-Aug-99, you wrote:

> Hello Ian
> 
> On 29-Aug-99, you wrote:
> 
>>> > Hello Ian
>>> > 
>>> > On 28-Aug-99, you wrote:
>>> > 
>>>  On 27-Aug-99 20:00:16, Alan Day said about [afb] Adios Amiga:
>>>  
>>> >>>  Bye everyone. I'm off to PC land to run Win98 and SuSE Linux 6.2. I
>>> >>>  have
>>> >>>  been a loyal Amiga user since 1989 (and C= C64 before that). But
>>> >>>  enough is enough.
[snip]
>> 
>> Dam! I thought DUM-FRIES was Stupid Chips ;-)
> 
> pronounced Dum freece :) 

Yeh! I did know:-) My homeland is Cumbernauld (10 miles outside Glasgow)


Best
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pick himself up and carry on...
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Hi Matthew

> 1) Who makes the IDE express?

Jens Schoenfeld - have a look at www.jschoenfeld.com

> 2) Can you still buy the addon to make the standard 4-way buffer into the
> fast 5meg a seocnd one?

I can't see why not - it's more a case of 'will any of the dealers sell you
one?'

> 4) How do I get my CD drive to work from the second port?

You've got IDE Fix so there shouldn't be a problem. Apologies now for
sounding patronising - but the different cable you are using - have you made
sure that is not at fault?

Cheers
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On 28-Aug-99, Matthew O'Neill Wrote........

> Hi Hawkeye
> On 28-Aug-99, you wrote
> 
>>>> Why do you need to have other people`s test results to improve
>>>> the accuracy of a benchmarking utility? If it did as its supposed to
>>>> you shouldn`t need other peoples results.
>>>> Suggests he`s gathering speeds and adding them to the program.
>>> 
>>> But how would he be able to gather the results that tCPU gives, if it
>>> doesn't actually do some calculations? Why would he need to recieve
>>> hard-coded results when he already knows what they're set at?
> 
>> Haven`t you already answered you`re own question? 
> 
> No, like I said. You claim he is using tCPU to gather data, so he can hard
> code it into future versions, but it must actually work to be able to
> gather this data?

Doh!  He has hard coded the values for the CPU's already!  ie.  they will
always produce the same results no matter what processor you run!  In BB2
you have a command that will return a value to tell you what cpu is
available!  He has used this and it returns a fixed value for you're CPU! 
I'm not trying to make you look stupid here, but take a look for yourself!
Run it on a system with the same CPU as your own.  the value that tCPU
returns will be identical to the one on your own computer!  Then try sysinfo
or AIBB and you will see that there is a slightly different result!  Use
you're brain man!  
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Hello Ashley
     Hiya, Ashley... ,on 28-Aug-99 you mailed me about: [afb] Re: The Gaz Murfin affair... (fwd)! So I`ma reply`in...

> On 28-Aug-99, Matthew O'Neill Wrote........
> 
>> Hi Hawkeye
>> On 28-Aug-99, you wrote
>> 
>>>>> Why do you need to have other people`s test results to improve
>>>>> the accuracy of a benchmarking utility? If it did as its supposed to
>>>>> you shouldn`t need other peoples results.
>>>>> Suggests he`s gathering speeds and adding them to the program.
>>>> 
>>>> But how would he be able to gather the results that tCPU gives, if it
>>>> doesn't actually do some calculations? Why would he need to recieve
>>>> hard-coded results when he already knows what they're set at?
>> 
>>> Haven`t you already answered you`re own question? 
>> 
>> No, like I said. You claim he is using tCPU to gather data, so he can
>> hard code it into future versions, but it must actually work to be able
>> to gather this data?
> 
> Doh! He has hard coded the values for the CPU's already! ie. they will
> always produce the same results no matter what processor you run! In BB2
> you have a command that will return a value to tell you what cpu is
> available! He has used this and it returns a fixed value for you're CPU!
> I'm not trying to make you look stupid here, but take a look for yourself!
> Run it on a system with the same CPU as your own. the value that tCPU
> returns will be identical to the one on your own computer! Then try
> sysinfo or AIBB and you will see that there is a slightly different
> result! Use you're brain man!

I think he was getting more at the fact that if he`s hardcoded them
and what is the point in gathering them back if they are going to be
the same, and I can see his point, but as someone else pointed out,
you dont know what hes done to get the number,.. all I know is
that there is absolutely NO counting going on, and IMHO, you cant
have a CPU test if your not counting instructions... and anything
that doesn`t disable to system while it`s doing these calculations
is already more unreliable than the average unreliable (but still
not faked) benchmarker..

What gets me is the way he`s gone out of his way to say that this
program is a really good benchmarker, and out of his way to
fool everyone (with gathering fake results and all)..
into thinking it actually does something productive.
Not that the program is crap or anything (though it is that
isn`t what bothers me).
It just goes to show how shallow he is.

> Regards
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Hi!

Following Dave Cusicks' AmigaNet column in the mag, but have run into
troubles 
with the streamMPEG plugin (I'm using IBrowse 1.22). Mpega caused a
crash,
followed by an fatal IBrowse one so I had to reboot. The thing is, do I
*have*
to use Mpega for this plugin? (I installed it especially) It seems a bit
unstable. I have as standard on my system mpega.library (WarpOS) and
use Songplayer 
with this usually. Can I spool through Songplayer using CLI? If so
could someone
throw me the settings :)

John

Hello Chris

On 28-Aug-99, you wrote:

> Hi Alan
> 
>> The register has reported that the PIII and Athlon are rubbish (bang for
>> buck against the K6 and Celeron)
> 
> Mike Magee's disillusionment with the PIII and the Athlon is based more on
> the fact that the market for them (along with the K6 and Celeron) is
> completely saturated, rather than just on pure technical arguments. He and
> I went to Germany recently to meet with AMD - so he knows full well that
> technically it is a superior x86 chip - it's just buggered by flaky demand
> and crap margins right now.
> 
Ohh - I did not mean that the Athlon is technically lacking.  But the PIII
andAthlon have both under performed.
> 
>> hmmm, from where.  I shopped around a lot and the above is considerably
>> cheaper than anywhere else ( using Computer Shopper mostly ).
> 
> Well that explains it - you need to ditch the copy of shopper and learn to
> shop around properly. That means computer fairs and technology-rich
> shopping areas, like Tottenham Court Road, as well as the Internet. Sites
> like QXL shift gear that even undercuts what I quoted.

Ah ha.  A typical Londoner response. :)
I live in rural Scotland.  There are very few shows even remorely close to
me.  Glasgow is probably the nearest venue -100miles.  There are a couple
of  small localshop 
> 
>> The big manufacturers are charging at least a grand for the above.
> 
> Well what do you expect! For example, Gateway has an assembly plant
> employing 4,000 workers that cost 600million to build, likewise with
> Dell, Compaq, Time, Tiny, IBM, Acer etc - brand names equal bigger
> overheads and inflated prices for the same components a local back-street
> shop would use to slap a PC together for half the cost - that's how things
> are in the desktop market right now.

There a a couple of  small local shops/suppliers here that I approached. 
The best price I got was 699 for a Cyrix 333 MII, 32mb ram an 8mb SIS gfx
card (uchhhh) and sound card with only a 15" monitor.
> 

> OK, allow an extra 30 for the graphics card. I forgot to factor in a
> motherboard - a decent BX-based board will set you back about 30. 
20 for delivery to deepest darkest Scotland. :) oh and a pci modem- blah
blah - enough PC stuff.
> 
> 
> Oh - and on another note - I forgot to say earlier that your original
> comments were both childish and pathetic. If you can't string together an
> intelligent criticism without resorting to rudeness more suited to a Carry
> On film - don't bother sharing your ill-reasoned opinions with the rest of
> us.
Sorry?  I assume you mean my comments diracted at Amiga Inc (Jim Collas
ect).  I am completely gutted with their recent escapades.  Sorry to anyone
who was offended.
> 
> Enjoy your PC - and may you haemorrhage a fortune in cash to keep it
> struggling along in the months ahead :)
> 
I love fiddling about with Linux.  It should keep me occupied for a while. 
New machines from Amiga Inc and/or Phase 5 seem to be at  least 6 months
away now.  I wish Amiga Inc the best of luck (if they really believe in the
Amiga).  I can not see how an OS so closely linked to Linux can create its
own market.  I can only see the Amiga OE functionality being incorporated
into future Linux distro.  No Linux user will touvh it because it is
proprietary. They will simply engineer their own open source equivalent. 
No developers will support it because it will be Linux compatable -
therefore they will reach a wider platform by developing a Linux version. 
Open Source means that developers, manufacturers and users are no longer 
tied to a single (market abusing) company, like Microsoft.
I do not believe many develops or users will be willing to subscribe to a
proprietary OS ever again.
But I do not think Amiga are interested in the computing market.  They have
their sights set on a potentally bigger market.  They are aiming at the
set-top box / console market.  As has been suggested - ATI were working on
a set-top box and are/were the gfx chip supplier for Amiga.  The Sega
Dreamcast and Playstation2 seem to be more "computer set-top boxes" with
optional keyboards and mice, as opposed to conventional consoles.  Also
Motorola has the Blackbird.  All of which seem to have internet and DVD
movie capabilities..  All of which will be direct competition to the Amiga
"Internet Appliances".

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> > BTW - irritator - not a good idea to make it rename files in C: IMHO
 
> It renames system vital files!??? jeez!, how often?,

Don't worry, it's only the Magtape file which is renamed, to
irritatormagtape or something. I've never even used it (what does it
do?). I just don't think it should even go /near/ C:.

> <sb>Matthew O'Neill  -  MashMan

Paul C,
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On Sat Aug 28, Simon Jenkins was heard muttering:

> >> 32) p.72 Amiga.net. Who is Dave Cusick. He's done it for ages, and is
> >> quite good I say, but I've never seen any other articles by him, and
> >> he says he only has an 030! Not a serious Amiga user, I assume.
 
> I've only got an 030 as well, we can't all afford PPCs(
 
> I too, have an 030 and I find it works ok for me. PPC cards r not all they
> r cracked up to be. 

Look, everyones taking this too seriously. I only have an 040 myself
(and an old 030 on the floor next to me). I was just saying that
anyone who works on /the/ professional Amiga-only mag obviously isn't
a full time Amiga-freak. This is coupled with the fact he only has
that one section each month.
My main point was basically "Dave Cusick writes well good, gimme some
more."

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I just read a /very/ interesting mail where you said about [afb] "Bother", said Pooh...:

> Hi,
>    For Paul Cundle, and anyone else who wants em, here's my whole collection
> of "Bother", said Pooh... taglines.

Thanking you muchly.

> I've also altered my signature. I too didn't particularly like the other
> one. Is this better now?

Lovely :)  I just thought the other one was a bit 'in yer face'.

> And about Irritator renaming commands in C:, there are 2 points.
> 1:) You can edit the commands anyway by editing
> ENVARC:Irritator/Irritator.cmds.

I know, I checked, but it really /shouldn't/ alter any files on your
harddisk by default.

> 2:) I put MagTape in the distribution archive. Does anyone use the
> MagTape command? If so, what's it for??? I assume magnetic tapes ;)

Don't know what it's for, but there will be /some/ people who use it
and if they're as daft as Matthew O'Neill they'll come back from the
bog and find it doesn't work any more ;)

> <sb>Gareth Griffiths.

Paul C, in time
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Neil Bullock reckons he knows a bit about [afb] Re: More on AF 128, but there's more to it than that.

> > Neil B, wondering why Paul is bothering to defeat the almighty one.
> > (which is Neil, by the way).

Ah, so Paul is defeating the almighty one. Interesting (?). Does that
mean I am the ultimate almighty one?
 
> Hmm... Nice :) You managed to change everything :)

Yeah, whatever you say. Has the doctor arrived yet?

> Nelly (not on your)

Paul C, wondering if this should stop about












now.
--
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      "Open other end"
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      "See other end for instructions"

Hi Everybody,

>> It aids in sorting - you can sort on month more easily with mm/dd/yy.
> =

> 1) it doesn't help at all, ANY software can change the sort order

   not if the date's saved as text, then it does an ascii sort...

> 2) What if you don't wanna sort by month? month is the least likeoly to=
 be
> sorted by

      Ok then, some dates sorted by day:

   01/04/99  1st April.
   02/08/99  2nd August
   05/02/99  5th February
   07/11/99  7th November
   08/01/99  8th January

      Now by month:

   01/08/99  8th January
   02/05/99  5th February
   04/01/99  1st April
   08/02/99  2nd August
   11/07/99  7th November

      So, which is in the more logical order? =

      =

      Actually, If you have to sort dates with an ascii scring, you shoul=
d actually do it as yyyy/mm/dd  (note the y2k compatibility :)


See ya.
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 Homepage updated 5/8/99 --- James Bond on GFX Card & CPU players!
  - ------------------- Quote of the day: -------------------- -
"Bother," said Pooh, as Mini-Me bit him in a rather painful area.

Alan Day said, 

> I decided last Christmas that I would give it until Christmas 99
> for a new Amiga to appear,

So you've fallen short of your deadline by four months, yet berate Amiga
for being out by around half that?

If you want a PC, just get one. No one's stopping, you don't need our
permission to leave. Why do you feel the need to make a big announcement
and try to justify it? Who are to trying to convince of the wisdom of
your decision, us or you?


Neil
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Gaz-JD/FX-s^D said, 

> Hi Neil
> On the 28-Aug-99 you said something about [afb] Re: Freeserve Mail so now I
> am going to offer a witty retort (well maybe :)

>>> Download all the other mail, then set YAM to delete any mails larger than
>>> 1K

>> What happens to any mail that arrives between the first and second
>> actions?

> Just set it to pre-select ALWAYS and then just choose which msgs to
> download/delete!

But that's not what Matthrew was suggesting, nor what I was asking. What
happens to any mails that arrive between the two actions using Matthew's
suggestion?

The answer is they get lost without ever being seen.

It's a lot less hassle to open an Opus lister and delete them, or even
delete them on the web (which would also work with Neil's PC :)


Neil
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Alex Furmanski said, 

> Hi Neil

>> But TYPE doesn't allow you to specify the language version, which is
>> very important with JavaScript. some of the commands changed behaviour
>> between 1.1 sand 1.2 so the browser needs to know which implementation
>> to use.

> So it's still best to include a LANGUAGE definition then.

Yes, that's how I do it, language and type.


Neil
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Hello Matthew

On 28-Aug-99, you wrote:

> Hi Richard
> On 27-Aug-99, you wrote
> 
>> Does it??? I have a complete Windows *3.1* installation on 6 High density
>> floppy disks here that came supplied with this old 386 PC I have. You
>> sure you're not getting a bit confused with Windoze 95/98?
> 
> Sorry, must have been halucinating
> 
lsd printer driver perhaps :)

Regards
-- 
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Amiga 1200, Viper 68030 Mk V Accel with 50Mhz FPU and 8 MBFast, Seagate
410MB 2.5" internal HD and 800MB SCSI HD in a midi tower with 4xCDRom. 56k
Modem, Power Port Junr Serial IF and Citizen Swift Printer.

Reality is for people who lack imagination.

Hi Everybody,

> But tCPU must really calculate these numbers so that they can be sent b=
ack
> to Gaz, in which case why would he hard code them in?

   I actually would have thought that having a series of hardcoded result=
s would be /harder/ to write then a simple timing loop with some instruct=
ions...

See ya.
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 Homepage updated 5/8/99 --- James Bond on GFX Card & CPU players!
  - ------------------- Quote of the day: -------------------- -
The male scorpion fly gets other males to bring him food
by imitating a female fly.
--The Miscellanea Digest

Hi Everybody,

> Please can anyone help me.
> I think I've go a virus from somewhere. If I run Snoopdos I get
> Findtask Diskdriver.proc
> Findtask Greetings for Hochofen
> =

> I first noticed this when Genesis took a long time to go on line.
> =

> With Viruschecker running The above messaged seem to be linked to it???=


   Don't be alarmed, they are just the virus checker looking for those vi=
ruses. (As far as I know)

See ya.
-- =

       Manta Soft  -  Amiga programing & web page designing
     Http://members.tripod.com/~mantasoft/      ICQ: 21829166        =

 Homepage updated 5/8/99 --- James Bond on GFX Card & CPU players!
  - ------------------- Quote of the day: -------------------- -
"Bother," said Pooh, as the government took over his mind.

Greetings  Matthew 

On 27-Aug-99, you wrote:

> Hi neil.ives@bt.com
> On 27-Aug-99, you wrote

>> Thanks for that info. FPU software sounds to me like graphics
>> applications. Would Oxypatcher improve the speed of say, Quake? 
>> Neil Ives

> should do, yeah. Quake needs an FPU, so it must use it

Only if it isn't optimised for an 060

> Cherio bye ta tar
Regards

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/PGP Key available on request/

Hi Everybody,

>> Pinky: What are we going to do tonight, Brain?
>> Brain: Same thing we do every night, Pinky, try to take over the world=
=2E
> =

> Are you thinking what I'm thinking, Pinky?
> I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the Spice Girls into
> the paella?
> =


   Uh oh, is this going to be the latest tagline gag? I can see it now...=


  - ------------------- Quote of the day: -------------------- -
Brain: Are you thinking what I'm thinking Pinky?
Pinky: I think so Brain, but where are we going to get wonder bras from a=
t this time of night?

   =

   Oh no, I should've kept my mouth shut souldn't I ?

See ya.
-- =

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 Homepage updated 5/8/99 --- James Bond on GFX Card & CPU players!
  - ------------------- Quote of the day: -------------------- -
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--The Miscellanea Digest

Hello Neil

On 29-Aug-99, you wrote:

> Alan Day said, 
> 
>> I decided last Christmas that I would give it until Christmas 99
>> for a new Amiga to appear,
> 
> So you've fallen short of your deadline by four months, yet berate Amiga
> for being out by around half that?
> 
> If you want a PC, just get one. No one's stopping, you don't need our
> permission to leave. Why do you feel the need to make a big announcement
> and try to justify it? Who are to trying to convince of the wisdom of
> your decision, us or you?
> 
I thougt it would be an interesting discussion. Thats the whole point of a
mailing list - to discuss things.
I was going to have to rent a PC - so I may as well buy one.  I did not fall
short of my deadline - Amiga have missed theirs and I am not waiting around
any longer.  They must have known they were late when they announced the
Linux decision or at WOA yet they continued to say otherwise.  They
announce that the will be using an undisclosed ATI chipset in the tech.
brief - then a few days later says they may have to use a different chipset
as ATI may not be ready.  No I do not need to justify my decision.  I am
just fed up with all the lies, backstabbing and broken promises (over the
years - not just GW/ Amiga Inc).  I will not be reliant on a single company
again.  Perhaps "I'm off to PC land" should have been "I'moff to join the
Linux open source community"

Regards
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On Sun, Aug 29, 1999 at 12:10:45AM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote:

> It's a lot less hassle to open an Opus lister and delete them, or even
> delete them on the web (which would also work with Neil's PC :)

Or just telnet to port 110, do user, pass, read (1,2,3,4), dele (1,2,3,4),
quit - easy :)

-- 
Matthew Garrett | mjg59@cam.ac.uk

Hi Andy,
 
> > Has anyone actually been in contact with him since all this started?
> > Prehaps he's left the country to avoid persecution?

That's a good point actually. He could've  been out of the country for
a week or two on holiday somewhere. If so, he's going to get a hell of
a shock when he comes back and reads this little lot ! (how long has
this thread been running now ? Seems like forever)

> Well, he's on this list, so he shouldn't need to be contacted. So far he
> has posted one mail to the list saying that he can disprove every
> allegation. So far, he hasn't disproved any of the allegations.

Oh well, Dans comments blow that theory out of the water. He's aware
he's been rumbled. Either he's taking time out to put his 'defence'
together, or else he's got no intention of saying anything (and whilst
all the evidence seems to suggest 'guilty as hell', I can't imagine
Gaz Murfin will be particularly eager to get on here and face the
music. I reckon, whether it's deserved or not, he's feeling pretty low
right about now)

Still, I believe the saying goes... "you reap what you sow"

Cheers,

Eddie (is it just me, or is all this getting just a bit depressing ?)

Ian urie wrote.....

> > Alan Day  -  Dumfries & Galloway,  Scotland,  UK
> 
> Dumfries is famous only for Sheep!!!
> 
> --
> Ian Urie  


Oi!...Watch it........where do get the sheep thing anyway??

Everybody knows that Wales!

regards

chris
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all outta bubblegum.....

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Panasonic 36" Wiiddeesscrreeennnn, Pioneer 717 MultiRegion DVD, Denon
AC3 Decoder, JBL Speakers & Kef SubWoofer.....

> [snip]
> >> 
> >> Dam! I thought DUM-FRIES was Stupid Chips ;-)
> > 
> > pronounced Dum freece :) 
> 
> Yeh! I did know:-) My homeland is Cumbernauld (10 miles outside Glasgow)
> 
> 
> Best    
>                           Ian c Fyvie

We do know where Cumbernauld is - it's a suburb of Glesgi. :-)

regards

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Virus help? What are you talking about, Phil?
<sb>

> Findtask Greetings for Hochofen

> I first noticed this when Genesis took a long time to go on line.

You'll be glad to hear that there's nothing nasty about it. If you 
read the manual (can't remember where, you'll have to search around
for it - mine seems to have gone walkies), you'll find something
explaining why it's there. Basically, as long as you see "Fail"
alongside it in the Results column, there's nothing to worry about.
If you see "OK" there, though, then mail me back privately with a 
SnoopDOS log.

<sb>
*#James Lowe#*  */E-Mail/*: j.lowe@ukonline.co.uk   */ICQ:/* 15846720
            */WWW   /*: http://web.ukonline.co.uk/j.lowe/
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<sb>
... U.F.O. virus - sightings everywhere, but no hard evidence of it's existence

Excuse me Andrew, what was that you were saying about Millions of megaaby=
tes, megabytes for me...?
<sb>

>   No all we have to hope is that the new Amiga's file format can
> handel such a large, and probably larger drives :)

I haven't heard much more about it, but there's supposed to be a
device in development which can hold several terabytes (1 terabyte is
1024 gigabytes, for those who don't know) of data on a single disk.
IIRC, it used holograms to do it. It might have been on BBC News =

Online that I saw it, it was a little while ago.

<sb>
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<sb>
=2E.. "Bad Cow Jokes"                         By Terry Bull

>> I haven't.... It's probably worth pointing out that .8m.com is a free
>> web-redirection address, so it could be absolutely anyone, anywhere.

It's hosting, not redirection. Thanks for the SIMM, btw :)

That's OK :-)
...but they also do redirection (marris.8m.com points to my old website)

RobM

>> I could let on.... but won't!

> You won't let on what? I didn't know there was such a storage system. You
> aren't suggesting sub-atomic storage are you? I have heard rumours of
such a
<snip>
> Am I speaking donkey manure? Probably, but I wouldn't be surprised if the
> military had this kind of technology.

Nuclear magnetic resonance.  Just a rumour about a university doing
research...

RobM

_Replying to a message_:

  From:  Andy Mills <Andy@wharne.u-net.com>
   Via:  Amiga Format mailing list <afb@egroups.com>
 Dated:  Thursday, 26-Aug-99, 00:45:33
 About:  [afb] Re: Win the New Amiga (backpage Af128) 


Hello Andy,
 
>> The sound quality don't enter into it. Vinyls sound quality can be
>> better than CD too, but vinyl's still dying out...
 
> IIRC, the old black disc has a better dynamic range than CD....

Nup, better frequency range (until the disc wore down), worse dynamic
range.  Dynamic range is the difference between the loudest and quietest
sounds that can be reproduced.

For what it's worth; vinyl records frequency range extends beyond the
point that anybody can hear (above 20kHz), CDs just scrape up to the
top of human hearing (20kHz), if you've got good ears; and the dynamic
range of records isn't as good as human hearing, but CDs have a greater
than human hearing dynamic range; the signal to noise ratio at the
extremes is pretty poor for both mediums, but that's to be expected
(and not really noticeable under normal listening conditions).

Mini discs are okay for their intended purpose, but can't replace proper
recording and editing equipment, because of the compression (the same
problem exists with JPEG files):

Take the original source, compress it in a lossy fashion (throw away
some of the data), uncompress it, and it seems okay.

Now to copy (or edit it), you end up re-compressing it in a another
lossy fashion, which throws away different data than before, and this
copy is signficantly worse than it could be. 

You can get away with this lossy compression initially.  It's applied in
an intelligent manner (it removes data that is /normally/ unnoticable),
but it's very hard to do this (unnoticably) to the same data twice, or
thrice.

Bye,
Tim.  (B.A. T.L.M.N.)

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_Replying to a message_:

  From:  Ian Court <iancourt@purplenewt.freeserve.co.uk>
   Via:  Amiga Format mailing list <afb@egroups.com>
 Dated:  Thursday, 26-Aug-99, 04:43:33


Hello Ian,

>> But that doesn't help those people out there with 14.4 modems, does
>> it? Someone has to take a stand, and I think their internet
>> connections are too slow for them to be able to :)
 
> Well, that's a good reason for them to upgrade, is it not? Worry
> about yourself, not others. If their connections are too slow to
> download a mail ~30K then it's their problem, IMHO! :)

Do you have the same sentiments when someone sends you a foreign file
that you can't use on your computer, but just about everyone else can?

One in a blue moon probably isn't a major hassle, though I'd hate it to
be a regular occurance on a mailing list where I commonly get several
hundred messages every few days.

By the way, I don't have a 14k MODEM (it's 33k6), but it may as well be.
I rarely get mail downloading fast (unless it's a big one), as the mail
server doesn't appear to be very quick (nor YAM), and sending lots of
little files doesn't take advantage of compression.

30k isn't toooooooo bad, I suppose, but I did once give a company a
right royal flaming for sending me a 30k+ e-mail, it was a totally
unnecessary word processor file, instead of a plain text e-mail, and in
 format I couldn't read myself either (one day I shall keep a
collection of IBuM viruses to return to these sort of people).  E-mail
is really just meant for sending letters, not file transfers though.

Bye,
Tim.  (B.A. T.L.M.N.)

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_Replying to a message_:

  From:  Matthew O'Neill <mash@myamiga.freeserve.co.uk>
   Via:  Amiga Format mailing list <afb@egroups.com>
 Dated:  Wednesday, 25-Aug-99, 04:23:03
 About:  [afb] Re: Power Tower 


Hello Matthew,

>>> "Ouch!" said Tigger upon deciding that anal sex was not for him
 
>> Wrong list?
 
> We have similar tastes then

And which part of each of you tasted similarly then?

/me ducks for cover

 (although geese or pelicans would offer more cover,
  there's a much greater risk).

Bye,
Tim.  (B.A. T.L.M.N.)

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_Replying to a message_:

  From:  Stephen Harris <stephenharris@cwcom.net>
   Via:  Amiga Format mailing list <afb@egroups.com>
 Dated:  Thursday, 26-Aug-99, 05:51:48
 About:  [afb] Re: Internet Queries 


Hello Stephen,

> ps; I have had to change my sub to "read on the web" because I am
> spending to much time reading and replying to the ML. So if you need
> to contacty me, You'll have to do it privately

I've seen the odd few comment like this, and I can't see how this helps.
It takes a lot more time to read messages via a web page, than to
download them and read them at your leisure (without paying your ISP
either).

Bye,
Tim.  (B.A. T.L.M.N.)

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_Replying to a message_:

  From:  Matthew Garrett <mjg59@cam.ac.uk>
   Via:  Amiga Format mailing list <afb@egroups.com>
 Dated:  Thursday, 26-Aug-99, 08:49:03
 About:  [afb] Re: Win the New Amiga (backpage Af128) 


Hello Matthew,

> I've had floppies become corrupt after three or four uses. If there's
> any requirement that the data be good, I simply wouldn't risk it on a
> floppy.

>>> I'd rather burn a CD.
 
>> Oh, what a cheap and efficient way of doing it - spend ages burning
>> an expensive CD which is Write Once only. Or even more money on a
>> CDRW
 
> But I have the guarantee that my data is good, and I'll be able to fit
> up to 650Mb on it. If I want to transfer information, I don't want to
> have to go back and copy it again because the disk has decided that it
> prefers this small piece of magnetised iron to point in this direction
> rather than the original one.

I wish having data on a CD would guarantee that it's good, but it's not
absolute.  I have several CDs here that just don't work, or make the
drive make hideous noises as it struggles to read them.  They
apparently work fine for other people (and I have a new, decent quality
drive too).

Obviously the floppy is going the way of the dodo.  It's too small, and
slow.  But the replacement needs to have a similar philosophy (quickly
writeable, and not totally stuffed by writing interuptions).

The Zip drive is the ideal successor to the floppy (to do the same type
of job - copying of several average size files for currently used
programs), regardless of whether there are other better mediums for
data storage and transmission.  And it's usable on just about any type
of computer (if *only* there were a common filing system used on it by
every comptuter, but that's too much to wish for).

CD-ROMs, by their nature (slow to write, etc), are best for archive
purposes, and buying new software.

Bye,
Tim.  (B.A. T.L.M.N.)

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Hi Everybody,

> 
> 
>> This was in the Register earlier this month, see attatchment .
> 

   <large snip>

Couldn't you have just given us the URL like I did?

See ya.
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Hi Paul

>On Sat Aug 28, Tom Underwood was heard muttering:


No, I can type without movuing my lips, :)

>This is /way/ too scary. I just sent the same thing. But I thought it
>was "...get the Spice Girls into the paella".
>Was that the "air cow" episode?


Might have been, though I thought it was the virtual reality helmet one.

>Paul C, you and I know it's all over the front page, you give me road rage.


Cheers
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Daft Newspaper Headline #1:
Include Your Children when Baking Cookies

Hi,

I'd like to offer, for your amusement, and maybe someone might have an
answer, details of two wierd bugs that have recently occured on my
Amiga.

Thor, and the Opus FTP module do not want to download anything, unless
the Amiga is displaying a 32 colour screen.  They didn't use to do
this.

I have to open Term, or YAM, and leave their screen displaying, or
downloading grinds to a complete halt.

And before anyone states the obvious, Thor and DOpus programs are on 8
or 16 colour screens, so they're not hogging CPU power, and they have
the same screen size as the screen that it works on.

Now I'd really like to know why they won't work on their own screens,
which actually should be less memory intensive.

Bye,
Tim.  (B.A. T.L.M.N.)

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_Replying to a message_:

  From:  Paul Cundle <paulc@lantik.u-net.com>
   Via:  Amiga Format mailing list <afb@egroups.com>
 Dated:  Sunday, 29-Aug-99, 08:40:13
 About:  [afb] Re: "Bother", said Pooh... 


Hello Paul,

> Don't know what it's for, but there will be /some/ people who use it
> and if they're as daft as Matthew O'Neill they'll come back from the
> bog and find it doesn't work any more ;)

Really?  Do you mean he can even break the bog?

Sorry Mathew, but I just couldn't resist replying to this.  Isn't the
English language just so clear and consise?  ;-)

Bye,
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Hello j.hart@ukonline.co.uk

On 28-aug-99, you wrote:

[snip]
... do I *have* to use Mpega ... It seems a bit unstable. 
[snip]

I use MPEGA a lot lately and it never caused any problems on my system. I presume you have a PowerPC system so maybe the PPC version is less stable. However, for MPEGA to run as supposed you really need to get the settings for this program right (i.e. set the attributes to suit your system). Best is to try the default setting of MPEGA and build from there. While trying you'd better try from CLI as this makes experimenting a lot easier.

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Hello Paul

On 29-Aug-99, Paul Cundle wrote:
> On Sat Aug 28, Simon Jenkins was heard muttering:

>>>> 32) p.72 Amiga.net. Who is Dave Cusick. He's done it for ages, and is
>>>> quite good I say, but I've never seen any other articles by him, and
>>>> he says he only has an 030! Not a serious Amiga user, I assume.
> 
>> I've only got an 030 as well, we can't all afford PPCs(
> 
>> I too, have an 030 and I find it works ok for me. PPC cards r not all
>> they r cracked up to be.

> Look, everyones taking this too seriously. I only have an 040 myself
> (and an old 030 on the floor next to me). I was just saying that
> anyone who works on /the/ professional Amiga-only mag obviously isn't
> a full time Amiga-freak. This is coupled with the fact he only has
> that one section each month.
> My main point was basically "Dave Cusick writes well good, gimme some
> more."

      You could check out his home page  http://www.dcus.demon.co.uk/

   He seems to be a well informed writer, and not just for the Amiga, it's a
shame he's a Man U fan :-)

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Hi all,

I'm leaving this list, see you guys later. :)

(Theres nothing wrong, but I can't cope with 150
pointless emails per day.... no offence ;)

Steve
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: Andy Kinsella <andy.k2@ukonline.co.uk>
To: <afb@egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 1999 1:05 AM
Subject: [afb] Re: AF....


> Greetings  James

Hello there

> >> 12) Why do light sabres have 4 buttons? on and off?
> 
> > One of the novels (can't remember which one) said that a lightsabre
> > was activated by tapping a button twice (to prevent being turned on
> > accidently) and switched off by tapping it once.
> 
> But surely it would be too easy to accidently turn it off with just a
> single tap? Your opponent's weapon is winding it's way swiftly toward
> your neck, you move to parry the blow. . .accidental tap. . .fare thee
> well, head.
> 
> I'd be asking for my momey back.

Weeeellllll, it might have been the other way round. Ahem.

If someone would like to send me one I can check :)

James.

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Actually that's a lie.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: fool <baseheadz@bigfoot.com>
To: <afb@egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 1999 6:17 PM
Subject: [afb] Re: OT (slightly) - Multiple Unix


> > "Unicieeeeeeeeeees (up and down in pitch) no-one else can do the things
> > you doooooo...."
> 
> AAAAAARRRGGGHHHHH!!!!  I've got that tune stuck in my head now!  And
> I can't remember any more of the words so it's just that line over
> and over and over...

As above (ish) then:
Ulyseeeeeeeeees something something something from the blue,
Ulyseeeeeeeeees something something something people's forces
Bringing peace and justice to aaaalllllllll.

I'm a big help, aren't I?

James.

PS - Those Olympian Gods used to scare the crap out of me.

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Actually that's a lie.

j.har-@ukonline.co.uk wrote: 
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/?start=26865
> Hello j.hart@ukonline.co.uk
> 
> On 28-aug-99, you wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> ... do I *have* to use Mpega ... It seems a bit unstable. 
> [snip]
> 
> I use MPEGA a lot lately and it never caused any problems on my
system. I presume you have a PowerPC system so maybe the PPC version is
less stable. However, for MPEGA to run as supposed you really need to
get the settings for this program right (i.e. set the attributes to
suit your system). Best is to try the default setting of MPEGA and
build from there. While trying you'd better try from CLI as this makes
experimenting a lot easier.
> 

Yup, I've got all of the above is just about right. It works OK with
the default
settings if I just use it to play mpeg files. However it still breaks
down when
I try streaming. I'd look into it more but it is hard to find an easy
to get
into audio streaming site, you have to register email addresses blah
blah...

John

Hi Anthony
On 28-Aug-99, you wrote

> I have just got round to listening to the MP2 files on the CD, and
> IMHO Jim Collas has missed his vocation.

> CEO of a small technology business? No, not really. Southern Baptist
> Minister. I think so.

I tried to listen to it 4 times, turning it off every time someone came into
the room. His preaching style is just really embarrassing!

"We must all stick together......With your help we'll create a
revolution...."

I don't care, I want a cheap machine which renders and plays net quake fast!

Cherio bye ta tar
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Hi Alex
On 28-Aug-99, you wrote

>> Nope, the Lutonian one

> Er, of course I have.  What do you think I am, some kind of, erm,
> geographically-inept eejit?

Hehehe, now only a person from Luton would use the word "eejit"

Anyway, do you know any other amiga users in luton?, I wanna start a user
group!!, anyone from luton, mail me privately!

Cherio bye ta tar
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Hi Neil
On 28-Aug-99, you wrote

>> Download all the other mail, then set YAM to delete any mails larger than
>> 1K

> What happens to any mail that arrives between the first and second
> actions?

It'll be deleted, so he'd better do it damn quick!! Better still, get it to
ask you, that way you can just delete the 6 bad ones.

ps. Neil, resist the temptation of plugging wirenet's online mail handling
or whatever.... ;)

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Hi fool
On 28-Aug-99, you wrote

> Hi Matthew,

> On 27-Aug-99 you wrote:

>> "Unicieeeeeeeeeees (up and down in pitch) no-one else can do the things
>> you doooooo...."

> AAAAAARRRGGGHHHHH!!!!  I've got that tune stuck in my head now!  And
> I can't remember any more of the words so it's just that line over
> and over and over...

"...gonna fight those evil forces, bringing peace and justice to
aaaaaaaaaaaall"

(I think, maybe)

Anyway, his 80's hair cut was cool. And that cute litle girl...ohhhh.......
;D

Cherio bye ta tar
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Hi Neil
On 28-Aug-99, you wrote

>> Oh I did that months ago!. I reckon there's gonna be some hot lezzy
>> action with Zig zag and Sabrina ;) heheheh

> Hahahahahaahah :) Most probably...

> Neil

Do you know something I don't?...

Off to check the site, hoping for my comics :)

ps. still looking for a copy of the Schwartz Archive :(

Cherio bye ta tar
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Hi Gaz-JD/FX-s^D
On 28-Aug-99, you wrote

> After all, that don't cost any more, and only takes up the space of a
> single DMS image.

> And then it would give subscribers the incentive to buy a CD-ROM. Agreed?
> Cya!

From the 1 sub's disk I have seen (and 1 from a borrowed password...) they
are awful and a waste of space.

Does anyone remember that scene in Red Dwarf where Lister and Cat stuck a
ping pong ball i\on their chins and stood upside down and filmed their
chins, so that it looked like a 1-eyed monster? Now if Ben and the crew
were to do that, then #THAT# would be an incentive ;D hehehehe

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Matthew O'Neill said, 

> ps. Neil, resist the temptation of plugging wirenet's online mail handling
> or whatever.... ;)

Actually, while the web mail is good for reading mail, I prefer Opus for
mailbox maintenance. Or the ARexx script I have that deletes
*everything* in a mailbox :)


Neil
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Hi Matthew
On the 28-Aug-99 you said something about [afb] Re: Subscriber disk so now I am going to offer a witty retort (well maybe :)

> From the 1 sub's disk I have seen (and 1 from a borrowed password...) they
> are awful and a waste of space.

Whether they are a waste of space or not is irrelevant. Its about offering
incentives to people to subscirbe (other than the price decrease)
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On 28-Aug-99, Neil wrote:

> You are one of the people who have chosen to leave at the MOST
> STUPID time! I'm completely baffled by the braindead decision making
> processes behind this!

Exactly! Why wait 5 years for something to happen, then leave just as
something does? Can't you wait 6 months to see what they're going to
do? Whether the kernel is open source or not doesn't matter, the
kernel is the smallest part of Amiga's plans.

Cheers,
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On 28-Aug-99, Tom wrote:

> Brain: Are you thinking what I'm thinking? Pinky: I think so, but
> how will we get the Spice Girls to agree to it.

:)

Brain: Are you thinking what I'm thinking?
Pinky: I think so, Brain, but lederhosen chafe me so.

Cheers,
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Greetings, AFBers,

/me sighs sadly
/me takes a deep breath

I've just found FakeMouse on an old CD. This program was used by
Gareth (he claims) as the basis for JoyMouse. He /says/ he only used
parts of it.

Fakemouse 4412 Bytes in Length
 JoyMouse 4412 Bytes in Length

Have a look at the binaries in Hex, and whaddaya know? They're
identical. The name FakeMouse is even in the code at one point. The
only change is "by Gareth Murfin." written over the version string.
Same deal as Poo and SetPatch97.

Look, Mr Murfin:

*Crediting the author in the documentation does not excuse stealing*
*their work. None of the claimed improvements in the documentation are*
*present in your version.*

I'm sorry, I can't continue to think there may be a valid explanation
for all this. It is clear to me now that,

*Gareth Murfin is a plagiarist, a pirate and a thief.*

I'll still look at anything he says in his defence, but I know for a
fact much of his software has been stolen from other, hard working,
software authors. The reason he has not provided proof is simply that
he has none. It cannot be done.

I'm not bothered what a nice guy he is on IRC. I don't care if "The
Dead Walk" is the best game ever released on the Amiga. I'm not
concerned one iota with all his anti-piracy statements. The fact is he
has stolen these programs and claimed them as his own.

To think he has been paid for the work of others is sickening. There's
little chance of him being taken to court for any of this, all anyone
can do is boycott all further Gareth Murfin/Alpha Software products. I
will be doing so and I suggest anyone with any sense of decency and
fair play does the same.

I've tried my level best to keep an open mind about these allegations,
but when you look at "his" work, it's impossible. I cannot condone the
threats he's received, but I can understand the frustration those who
called him must feel.

Gareth, if you feel any remorse for what you've done I hope you will
return to Amiga Format the prize money you were awarded and publicly
apologise for deceiving so many people.

I have kept a record of all evidence gathered. Anybody who wants to
see any part of it for themselves, email me off list. I may well post
it to my web site at some point. I'm sure of my facts and am willing
to defend them or be quoted on any point I have made. Some have felt
the need to remain anonymous when accusing him. I do not.

*Munchkin I name thee and Damned thou art.* >:(

Thank you for your time.
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On 25-Aug-99, Tom wrote:

> I think someone mentioned an installer. Where???? If it is the one
> for Silly Putty please let me know where I can get it.

There's a Putty WHDLoad installer on AFCD33. It can probably also be
found on Aminet and at the WHDLoad web site. Sorry, I don't have a
path or URL for either.

I don't know if it works with the Silly Putty budget release. WHDLoad
installs are usually only for a single version, but some handle
multiple versions.

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> > Uh.. Do you not actually get a cable for the clock port at all?
Even tho
> > I asked for one..
> 
> What is this mythical cable supposed to do and why would you need it.
I have
> a PowerFlyer and a Catweasel Mk 2 hanging off the clock port. That
didn't
> even require the socket risers - it's cable fits onto the clock port
quite
> happily with the PowerFlyer in place?

A Hypercom or Portplus doesn't have a cable, it plugs directly into the
clock
port - so you need some kind of cable to plug both in at once.

CYA!

Hi

Its great that 44% is knocked off the price of the subscription, but
how about trying to get some freebies back, like a free game, or a
voucher here and there for subscribers?

> Hi Vincenzo
> > You do if you have a BVision
> 
> OK, that explains the socket risers, but that still doesn't explain
what
> this guy wants this 'cable' for?

So I can plug a Hypercom and Powerflyer in at the same time... The
Powerflyer
covers the clock port so you can't plug em both in at the same time,
which
is why I need this cable so I can extend the clock port. If you look on
the
Power Computing page there is a gif with a Powerflyer and a Portplus
plugged
in at the same time, with the Portplus up underneath the serial port.

CYA!

Hi Tom
On the 28-Aug-99 you said something about [afb] Gareth Murfin - My Conclusions so now I am going to offer a witty retort (well maybe :)

> *Gareth Murfin is a plagiarist, a pirate and a thief.*

What an utterly fantastic line!

> Gareth, if you feel any remorse for what you've done I hope you will
> return to Amiga Format the prize money you were awarded and publicly
> apologise for deceiving so many people.

Aha! Theres the difference between me and Murfin. OK, so I ripped off RWE's
screen magnifier, but I didn't get PAID for it. I'm not condoning MY actions
either, but i only did it to one program, didn't win any money from it, and
admitted it to the public (albeit because of the GazzaGate affair ;)

Who knows, maybe it's something to do with the name, Gareth ;)

> I have kept a record of all evidence gathered. Anybody who wants to
> see any part of it for themselves, email me off list. I may well post
> it to my web site at some point. I'm sure of my facts and am willing
> to defend them or be quoted on any point I have made. Some have felt
> the need to remain anonymous when accusing him. I do not.

Hats off to that man. He has the guts to stand up for what he believes in.
He is a true Martin Luther King "lookielikie" ;)))
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Hi Tim, 

> > ps; I have had to change my sub to "read on the web" because I am
 
> I've seen the odd few comment like this, and I can't see how this helps.
> It takes a lot more time to read messages via a web page, than to
> download them and read them at your leisure (without paying your ISP
> either).

Funnily enough I've recently done exactly the opposite. For a while I
was reading "on the web"  and was happy enough until the phone bills
started coming in. Then, what a surprise, I had a sudden change of
heart - the thought of deleting a couple of hundred emails a day off
my hard drive suddenly became a lot more attractive when I realised I
could halve my phone bill !

Gawd bless common sense, I say,

Cheers,

Eddie

I was just going to bed, when Gaz-JD/FX-s^D wrote this and I just HAD to read it:

Carm down, carm down! </scouser>

That was just Matt(hew?) getting worried 'cos he left it running when
he went to the bog. (half an hour, Matt?)
Maybe I left it a bit uncertain as to what it does. Sorry if it made
people cautious.

Anyway, as I've said before - nothing should touch files on SYS:
anywhere, AFAIAC. Adding its own, fine, but changing the ones there -
no!
Nice to see you've 'fixed' it though. Not that I actually plan to use
it. Not exactly an "essential" commodity, is it? :)

> <sb>*Gareth Griffiths*:

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On 29-Aug-99, stephen@thwaity.freeserve.co.uk wrote:
>Hi

>Its great that 44% is knocked off the price of the subscription, but
>how about trying to get some freebies back, like a free game, or a
>voucher here and there for subscribers?

I don't work for Future but I'd imagine a 44% discount makes the margins very
tight indeed. 

It'd be more than rare for a company discounting so hugely on the price to
want to or need to add any additional incentive by way of a free game it's
usually one or the other simply because of the costs involved. 

As for vouchers I'm sure they could do this from time to time in the mag but I
can't see why they'd restrict them to subscribers only.



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Thanks for the help. I glad to know I haven't go a virus. Next time I'll RTFM
;-)


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Hi Matthew,

>Does anyone remember that scene in Red Dwarf where Lister and Cat stuck a
>ping pong ball i\on their chins and stood upside down and filmed their
>chins, so that it looked like a 1-eyed monster? Now if Ben and the crew
>were to do that, then #THAT# would be an incentive ;D hehehehe


Yup, although it was meant to be Krytens eyes :)

Cheers
Tom

Daft Newspaper Headline #1:
Include Your Children when Baking Cookies

Hello j.hart@ukonline.co.uk

On 29-aug-99, you wrote:

 
> Yup, I've got all of the above is just about right. It works OK with
> the default
> settings if I just use it to play mpeg files. However it still breaks
> down when
> I try streaming. 

Honnest, I did not try streaming MP3 until 5 mins ago. Here it seems to work, but that is what it does: it works. Its not nice yet (have to fool around with the settings) but it is recognizable. I tried this with IBrowse1.22 and StreamMP3 version 2.3. Note that I am using a modest 68040 at 25MHz and a 56k modem running at 38k4. So where the problem lays I am not sure.


I'd look into it more but it is hard to find an easy
> to get
> into audio streaming site, you have to register email addresses blah
> blah...

I just tried http://www.shoutcast.com/ and tuned into one of their 'radio' stations. No registering needed.

> 
> John
> 
> 
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> 
> 
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-----------------
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* Available: Yes, via my homepage. Go to the
             sneak preview and select Amiga....
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If Windows is heaven, I hope I'll go to hell.

Hello All,

On 29-Aug-99, James Lowe wrote:

> I haven't heard much more about it, but there's supposed to be a
> device in development which can hold several terabytes (1 terabyte is
> 1024 gigabytes, for those who don't know) of data on a single disk.
> IIRC, it used holograms to do it. It might have been on BBC News 
> Online that I saw it, it was a little while ago.
 
I read in T3 that researchers at the Bayer Institute have developed a new
polymer which can be used to make CD sized disks that can hold 1 Terabyte
and which can stream data at 1GB/sec - 100 times faster than a DVD-ROM
drive! A full prototype is rumored to be ready in 2004. Will DVD have a
short life?

Bye,

-- 
Danny Shepherd.
UIN: 30044173
WEB: http://start.at/shepherd
Member of the AmigaRC5 team: Cracking blocks at 2.898 Giga keys/hour

You cannot kill time without injuring eternity.
-- Thoreau

Hello Tom and the other AFBers,

> I've just found FakeMouse on an old CD. This program was used by
> Gareth (he claims) as the basis for JoyMouse. He /says/ he only used
> parts of it.
> 
> Fakemouse 4412 Bytes in Length
> JoyMouse 4412 Bytes in Length

Well Well Well... Like that was a big supprise.
 
> Have a look at the binaries in Hex, and whaddaya know? They're
> identical. The name FakeMouse is even in the code at one point. The

Ahahahahah! BUSTED!

> *Crediting the author in the documentation does not excuse stealing*
> *their work. None of the claimed improvements in the documentation are*
> *present in your version.*

He knows that, and HAS known that all along..
Dont think he`s dumb, cos he isn`t! He`s just got the balls of
an African Elephant and the remorse of a Monkey on Acid!
 
> I'm sorry, I can't continue to think there may be a valid explanation
> for all this. It is clear to me now that,

Me either.

> *Gareth Murfin is a plagiarist, a pirate and a thief.*
>
> I'll still look at anything he says in his defence, but I know for a
> fact much of his software has been stolen from other, hard working,
> software authors. The reason he has not provided proof is simply that
> he has none. It cannot be done.

Your spot on my friend, the evidence is conclusive.
It`s not like he can go off writing these programs now/properly,
because differences in compiled EXE size and binary
would be apparent.

> I'm not bothered what a nice guy he is on IRC. I don't care if "The
> Dead Walk" is the best game ever released on the Amiga. I'm not
> concerned one iota with all his anti-piracy statements. The fact is he
> has stolen these programs and claimed them as his own.

Making him the most low-life piece of shit in the Amiga Community.
I`m sorry, but it`s true...

How many developers' on this list can say they have never used
someone else work in small or whole part? Can say they never
hex-edited an executable putting their name in it back when they
started to work with computers/started developing? I know I cant...

We all do it(i`m sure) the difference being that, he has done it
numerous times and released the software... And the worse bit
is he tries to fob it off as his own software, and he`s always
conniving about the way he does it.

> To think he has been paid for the work of others is sickening. There's

I agree,.. I would still like to know how gloom3 came about.. it`s
farily identical to GloomDeluxe, and I wouldn`t be supprised if the EXE 
from Gloom Deluxe and Gloom3 are the same.

I wonder if he scored some kind of deal with Guildhall? They were
always out to milk the Amiga for what they could get, and it`s common
knowledge that they dont like the Amiga/Amiga Market.
They added the BlitzSupportSuite to the Ultimate BlitzCD without
the consent of /Red When Exited/, claiming that they own the rights
to Blitz, when BSS was a major update and rights to Blitz held by
Simon Armstrong were sold/given to Steve Matty(RWE) at the time 
(if I`m not mistaken). RWE not having the money to take them to 
court couldn`t do anything. And ultimatly left the amiga scene.

I`m sure something very fishy went on there?
With regards to Gloom3 and Zombie Massacare...
I mean, from the screen shots I`ve seen they look the same
just with different levels.

Even AF said that the FMV`s in Zombie were just a geordie
running around a back-garden ;) LOL!

> little chance of him being taken to court for any of this, all anyone
> can do is boycott all further Gareth Murfin/Alpha Software products. I
> will be doing so and I suggest anyone with any sense of decency and
> fair play does the same.

I agree! Me too. 

> I've tried my level best to keep an open mind about these allegations,
> but when you look at "his" work, it's impossible. I cannot condone the
> threats he's received, but I can understand the frustration those who
> called him must feel.

Again, I agree.

> Gareth, if you feel any remorse for what you've done I hope you will
> return to Amiga Format the prize money you were awarded and publicly
> apologise for deceiving so many people.

And again.

> Some have felt the need to remain anonymous when accusing him. I do not.

They probably wern`t sure if people would back him. Or if they
were making a mountain out of a mole hill. Because thats what I 
thought when I first hear/saw stuff about him.

But after seeing it all from "under the microscope"... 
There is no doubt in my mind thats he`s a plagiarist scum!
(for want of using many swear words. but I refrain.)

> *Munchkin I name thee and Damned thou art.* >:(

HahHA!
 
> Thank you for your time.
-- 

Rob,
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#PROJECT INFO:# Minimum Safe Distance [####------ 45% ish complete. ]

Hiya,

Failing all other attempts I thought I'd try this method :)

I have an A1200 POWER TOWER for sale, I ask for only =A3230 ono +p&p

It includes an A1200 motheroard

Power Tower with keyboard interface, keyboard, V adapter for pcmcia use

Blizzard IV 030/50 MHz

A massive 32Mb 60ns SIMM

A top quality Rockwell 56k FAX/DATA modem with cables

An external X2 SCSI CD drive

A 4-way buffered IDE interface with new cable fo 3.5"

A Monitor port and sound to SCART TV (no more colour flicker, still
interlace ;)

A mouse and mat ;)

Some games and a FULL version of Ibrowse 

Loads of Mag CDs worth loads in themselves


All for =A3230, perfect condition.

I need a quick sale, I'm going to Uni and have to sell everything up ;/

Cheers,

Jono 

j.har-@ukonline.co.uk wrote: 
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/?start=26892
> Hello j.hart@ukonline.co.uk
> 
> On 29-aug-99, you wrote:
> 
>  
> > Yup, I've got all of the above is just about right. It works OK with
> > the default
> > settings if I just use it to play mpeg files. However it still
breaks
> > down when
> > I try streaming. 
> 
> Honnest, I did not try streaming MP3 until 5 mins ago. Here it seems
to work, but that is what it does: it works. Its not nice yet (have to
fool around with the settings) but it is recognizable. I tried this
with IBrowse1.22 and StreamMP3 version 2.3. Note that I am using a
modest 68040 at 25MHz and a 56k modem running at 38k4. So where the
problem lays I am not sure.
> 

Would it be okay if you posted your mpega env settings and the settings
you use in the 
ARexx script please Bert? :)

John

Hi Everybody,

>> I'm not bothered what a nice guy he is on IRC. I don't care if "The
>> Dead Walk" is the best game ever released on the Amiga. I'm not
>> concerned one iota with all his anti-piracy statements. The fact is he=

>> has stolen these programs and claimed them as his own.
> =

> Making him the most low-life piece of shit in the Amiga Community.
> I`m sorry, but it`s true...

   Ok, he's not as bad as people who go round cracking shareware/commerci=
al programs, but stealing freeware/pd programs is still something you /ju=
st do not do./ I myself would be very annoyed if someone hacked one of my=
 programs to blab about being written by someone else, so I do feel sympa=
thy for the author of the programs he's edited....

> How many developers' on this list can say they have never used
> someone else work in small or whole part? =


   Well, when I started programming I didn't have anyone elses code to 'b=
orrow', but I've been mutually sharing code with the AMOS ML for a while =
so I presume some of my code must be done by other people, and I've lost =
track to be able to credit everyone, but something like that is excusable=
 isn't it, as I've probably helped them with their code as ?... =


   What would be inexcusable would be to simply recompile someone's progr=
am with different gfx and then make it seem that it was entirly written b=
y you....

> Can say they never
> hex-edited an executable putting their name in it back when they
> started to work with computers/started developing? I know I cant...

   Me? I've never done that. I've hex read programs to look for cheats :)=
  but I've only had a hex editor for a rather a short time, I've never us=
ed it on a program. Given the chance I probably would've, but I wouldn't =
then go on to release it as my own!

>> Some have felt the need to remain anonymous when accusing him. I do no=
t.
> =

> They probably wern`t sure if people would back him. Or if they
> were making a mountain out of a mole hill. Because thats what I =

> thought when I first hear/saw stuff about him.

   Well, whoever started all this with that website should come forwads n=
ow, seeing that all the accusations seem to have turned out true...
 =

> But after seeing it all from "under the microscope"... =

> There is no doubt in my mind thats he`s a plagiarist scum!

   I have a much uglier word for it sir, *misappropriation !* =



See ya.
-- =

       Manta Soft  -  Amiga programing & web page designing
     Http://members.tripod.com/~mantasoft/      ICQ: 21829166        =

 Homepage updated 5/8/99 --- James Bond on GFX Card & CPU players!
  - ------------------- Quote of the day: -------------------- -
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-- James P. Hogan

On 28-Aug-99 11:39:43, Matthew O'Neill said about [afb] Re: A request:


>> Yep, yep. Dinnae fash, all starting in AF130.

> WTF is dinnae fash?
I suspect its Ben trying to do a Scottish dialect that died
out years before Robbie Coltrane was born.....
> Cherio
Breakfast cereal?
>bye ta tar
Wodehouse accent?

> Can vegetarians eat animal crackers?

Who cares,while they are eating grass...the rest will be smokin'
it :)))




--
Ian Urie  <ianurie@jwu.u-net.com>
Uin:19729444
A conclusion is where you got tired of thinking.

Hey Ben,

Did Gareth need permission to include a scan of an AF page on his Zombie
Massacre CD? Surely he should have done since all contents are copyright
Future publishing...
(Not trying to complicate matters or anything, but I thought I'd ask)

Neil

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Hi Oliver, re your comments on [afb] Re: Petro - Star of Stage, Screen and Radio.

> > I see from the Amiga web site that Petro is appearing on a German chat
> > show next month.

> Actually it is a bit more than a chat show, it is a daily computer and
> internet show on NBC Europe.

Oh, that sounds a bit more like it then.  

> He is supposed to talk about Amiga's past, Commodore and Escom, etc. And
> while I agree that he is not what you would call a marketing guy, does
> not have complete technical understanding of the Amiga, he should know
> about its history. He was the one who kept the company going through two
> bankrupts. Most of you seem to think he is a bit ridiculous, but you
> have to keep in mind that English is not his native language. He might
> get all the words right, but maybe he lacks a bit of "feeling" for the
> English language. That's why he might convey the image of a small,
> freaky German. I have seen interviews with him on German television, and
> he left a quite natural impression on me.

Fine. I'll bow to your judgement on this one. If you reckon it'll do
some good, I'll go with that.

> > BTW what is German for "Keep dar marmentum goink" ;)

> "Lass rollen, Mann!" :)

Thanks. I needed that :)
-- 
Mr Anton.
>>> Powered by Amiga in Crewe
anthony.prime@nospam.free4all.co.uk
ICQ# 39564005

See the future, http://amiga.com

I just read a /very/ interesting mail where you said about [afb] Re: amigaspotting:

> > Are you thinking what I'm thinking, Pinky?
> > I think so, Brain, but how are we going to get the Spice Girls into
> > the paella?
 
>    Uh oh, is this going to be the latest tagline gag? I can see it now...

>   - ------------------- Quote of the day: -------------------- -
> Brain: Are you thinking what I'm thinking Pinky?
> Pinky: I think so Brain, but where are we going to get wonder bras from at this time of night?
   
>    Oh no, I should've kept my mouth shut souldn't I ?

Nah, no-one's that bothered. I can't see it happening myself

Paul C,
--
Brain: Are you thinking what I'm thinking Pinky?
Pinky: I think so Brain, but how are we going to separate the cows
from the dandelions that quickly?

Jon Barker reckons he knows a bit about [afb] Re: More on AF 128, but there's more to it than that.

> Hello Paul

> > My main point was basically "Dave Cusick writes well good, gimme some
> > more."
> 
>       You could check out his home page  http://www.dcus.demon.co.uk/
> 
>    He seems to be a well informed writer, and not just for the Amiga, it's a
> shame he's a Man U fan :-)

Thanks, I might just mosey on down there real soon. </foreigner>

> Dear Mr Barker                         ICQ:20786000

Paul C,
--
... If you took all the tenors in the world and laid them end to end...
    It would be a good idea.

----- Original Message -----
From: Andrew Crowe <andrewcrowe@enterprise.net>
To: <afb@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 1999 6:11 PM
Subject: [afb] Re: Gareth Murfin - My Conclusions


Hi Everybody,

Hello :),

[Snip]

>Ok, he's not as bad as people who go round cracking shareware/commercial
programs, but stealing freeware/pd programs >is still something you /just do
not do./ I myself would be very annoyed if someone hacked one of my programs
to blab >about being written by someone else, so I do feel sympathy for the
author of the programs he's edited....

I dissagree!  This is worse than common piracy!  The Pirates don`t claim
they have written the software... All they do is steal it, And pass it
around a bit.  That`s it, there is no "I wrote this software" type bull
shit!

>> How many developers' on this list can say they have never used
>> someone else work in small or whole part?

>   Well, when I started programming I didn't have anyone elses code to
'borrow', but I've been mutually sharing code with >the AMOS ML for a while
so I presume some of my code must be done by other people, and I've lost
track to be able to >credit everyone, but something like that is excusable
isn't it, as I've probably helped them with their code as ?...
>
>  What would be inexcusable would be to simply recompile someone's program
with different gfx and then make it seem >that it was entirly written by
you....

This is our point!  He hasen`t just recompiled the code for a lot of the
software he has claimed to have written, He has HEX edited executable files
and replaced the original authors details with his own!

>> Can say they never
>> hex-edited an executable putting their name in it back when they
>> started to work with computers/started developing? I know I cant...

>   Me? I've never done that. I've hex read programs to look for cheats :)
but I've only had a hex editor for a rather a short >time, I've never used
it on a program. Given the chance I probably would've, but I wouldn't then
go on to release it as my >own!

You and me both!  I would not condone plagiarism if my life depended on it!
What he has done is criminal!  Not only has he ripped off PD/Shareware
authors, He has ripped off Commodore commands too!  This is theft from a
commercial company and I hope that Amiga prosecute him for that theft!

>>> Some have felt the need to remain anonymous when accusing him. I do not.
>>
>> They probably wern`t sure if people would back him. Or if they
>> were making a mountain out of a mole hill. Because thats what I
>> thought when I first hear/saw stuff about him.

>   Well, whoever started all this with that website should come forwads
now, seeing that all the accusations seem to have >turned out true...

Hmmmmmm, I would still like to hear Gareths side of the argument though!  I
know this may sound cruel... But I would like to see him suffer as the
chance of seeing  him going to court for his crimes is very slim!

>> But after seeing it all from "under the microscope"...
>> There is no doubt in my mind thats he`s a plagiarist scum!

  > I have a much uglier word for it sir, *misappropriation !*

hmmmm, Not the word that I would have used!  I`d have been banned from AFB
for saying what I was going to :).

>See ya.

Yeah!  Take care mate ;).

Hello Anthony,

On 29-Aug-99, you wrote:

>> a bit of "feeling" for the English language. That's why he might
>> convey the image of a small, freaky German. I have seen interviews
>> with him on German television, and he left a quite natural impression
>> on me.
> 
> Fine. I'll bow to your judgement on this one. If you reckon it'll do
> some good, I'll go with that.

Actually I HOPE it will do some good, but you never know :)
Watch out for my ultimate "Did Petro embarrass us?" report shortly after
the show on this very list (if I have the time to watch it)
In any case it is a big plus point that this is a German speaking show.
TBH I have never heard Petro speaking English, but judging by the
comments on this list, well, his "enthusiasm" for the Amiga platform
seems to get out of control when he starts speaking English...
 
>>> BTW what is German for "Keep dar marmentum goink" ;)
> 
>> "Lass rollen, Mann!" :)
> 
> Thanks. I needed that :)

Erm, I wouldn't call this an /exact/ translation, it's just that there is
no way you could translate this to German AND get a catchy slogan as
well. I didn't even think the English phrase made a good slogan, I guess
I just became used to it. 

Regards
-- 
Oliver Esberger - mailto:oliver@websale.de

<html>original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/?start=26884
> Hi
> 
> Its great that 44% is knocked off the price of the subscription, but
> how about trying to get some freebies back, like a free game, or a
> voucher here and there for subscribers?

How about this?<P>

* Delivered to your door<BR>
* A week before it comes out in the shops<BR>
* Not been touched by filthy idiots in WHSmiths<BR>
* Free peice of cardboard!<BR>
<P>
44% though!!
<P>
-- 
Neko mws2@le.ac.uk

Posting from the web until he gets IBrowse2.1 and then he can post on
the web
via his email account (convoluted or WHAT?)</html>

> * Not been touched by filthy idiots in WHSmiths

Haha. And/Or written all over by said filthy idiots in WHSmiths :)

>* Free peice of cardboard!

Does anyone use that for anything? :) (Hey, it's not as stupid a question as
you might think :)

Neil - the master of quick replies after 6PM and on Weekends :)

Hello Neil,

On 29-Aug-99, you wrote:

>> * Free peice of cardboard!
> 
> Does anyone use that for anything? :) (Hey, it's not as stupid a
> question as you might think :)

Not really an answer to your question (no, I don't use it for anything),
but I always wondered why they put this cardboard in?

Regards
-- 
Oliver Esberger - mailto:oliver@websale.de

> > Does anyone use that for anything? :) (Hey, it's not as stupid a
> > question as you might think :)
> Not really an answer to your question (no, I don't use it for anything),
> but I always wondered why they put this cardboard in?

Could be to stop the filthy postman bending the mag when trying to ram it
through the door :) (I like the filthy phrase Matt, expect it to be seen a lot
more :)

Neil

Hello j.hart@ukonline.co.uk

On 29-aug-99, you wrote:

[snip]
> 
> Would it be okay if you posted your mpega env settings and the settings
> you use in the 
> ARexx script please Bert? :)

Well here comes the surprise: according to SnoopDOS no MPEGA.CFG is found while executing MPEGA. So maybe renaming your MPEGA.CFG file to something un-recognizable could do a bit of the trick. Also the script it self is completely standard. I am able to mail you this version of the script but I'll do that off-list. 

While we're trying to solve the problem, could give some more details on the error you encounter (GURU, ERROR CODE, when does it go wrong....)? As this might be boring to the other list-members its okay to react off-list.



> 
> John
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> 
> 
Regards
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          [under massive reconstruction]
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ICQ UIN : 38809545
Nick    : Speedy
System  : A3000 with 040/25, 20MB Fast, ....

-----------------
MPEGA SCRIPTER
* Status:    Still Beta, version A.
* Available: Yes, via my homepage. Go to the
             sneak preview and select Amiga....
* Use:       At your own risk, best via 
             supplied script 
-----------------

If Windows is heaven, I hope I'll go to hell.

Hello Neil,

On 29-Aug-99, you wrote:

>> Not really an answer to your question (no, I don't use it for
>> anything), but I always wondered why they put this cardboard in?
> 
> Could be to stop the filthy postman bending the mag when trying to ram
> it through the door :) (I like the filthy phrase Matt, expect it to be
> seen a lot more :)

At first I thought it was to protect the cd case, but unfortunately it
doesn't help too much, my cd cases rarely are intact when I get them :(
On the other hand I always thought the cd case is quite a luxury, here
in Germany magazine cds are always stuck to the cover (well IN the
cover, the front cover consists of two pages that are glued together to
form a cd bag) In fact I think you would be shot here if you would use a
plastic bag and a piece of cardboard just to send a magazine :)

Regards,

Oliver - also not too slow answering mails on sundays around 8 o'clock

> At first I thought it was to protect the cd case, but unfortunately it
> doesn't help too much, my cd cases rarely are intact when I get them :(
> On the other hand I always thought the cd case is quite a luxury, here
> in Germany magazine cds are always stuck to the cover (well IN the
> cover, the front cover consists of two pages that are glued together to
> form a cd bag) In fact I think you would be shot here if you would use a
> plastic bag and a piece of cardboard just to send a magazine :)

Don't say that, it might give AF some money saving ideas :)

> Oliver - also not too slow answering mails on sundays around 8 o'clock

Me neither :)

Neil

Hi Everybody,

> I dissagree!  This is worse than common piracy!  The Pirates don`t clai=
m
> they have written the software... All they do is steal it, And pass it
> around a bit.  That`s it, there is no "I wrote this software" type bull=

> shit!

   Well, it's actually hard to say which is worst, but they are both tota=
lly out of order.

> This is our point!  He hasen`t just recompiled the code for a lot of th=
e
> software he has claimed to have written, He has HEX edited executable f=
iles
> and replaced the original authors details with his own!

   I know, disgracefull. It's not even very hard to write I version esque=
 command, even I could knock one up in /AMOS/ in a matter of minutes! Hex=
 editing Version is just plain taking the mick. =


>>   Me? I've never done that. I've hex read programs to look for cheats =
:)
> but I've only had a hex editor for a rather a short >time, I've never u=
sed
> it on a program. Given the chance I probably would've, but I wouldn't t=
hen
>> own!
> =

> You and me both!  I would not condone plagiarism if my life depended on=
 it!
> What he has done is criminal!  Not only has he ripped off PD/Shareware
> authors, He has ripped off Commodore commands too!  This is theft from =
a
> commercial company and I hope that Amiga prosecute him for that theft!

   I'd think prosecuting him would be a little ott, but something must be=
 done, hmmm, moral dilemma's, don't you just love em?

>>   Well, whoever started all this with that website should come forwads=

> now, seeing that all the accusations seem to have >turned out true...
> =

> Hmmmmmm, I would still like to hear Gareths side of the argument though=
!  =


   It'd be interesting what he hs to say for himself. =


   Actually, I'm supprised no-one spotted this earler, Aminet are usually=
 quite fast at finding copyrighted stuff. (they took their time with my, =
um, JamesBond game though :)

> I know this may sound cruel... But I would like to see him suffer as th=
e
> chance of seeing  him going to court for his crimes is very slim!

   Now now, lets not create a witch hunt out of this (He's a witch, burn =
him, BURN HIM!!!! -Ed). We don't want to see him suffer, thats not very n=
ice, I think a more fitting punishment would be to be banned from Aminet,=
 AF CD's etc. etc. for life...

>>> But after seeing it all from "under the microscope"...
>>> There is no doubt in my mind thats he`s a plagiarist scum!
> =

>> I have a much uglier word for it sir, *misappropriation !*
>
> hmmmm, Not the word that I would have used!  =


   (Spot the Simpons quote :)

> I`d have been banned from AFB
> for saying what I was going to :).

   The word I'm searching for, /I can't say/, because there are pre-schoo=
l Amiga's present.

See ya.
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>    The word I'm searching for, /I can't say/, because there are pre-school
Amiga's
> present.

So Amiga's actually attend Andrew McCombes AmigaSchool then? :) But not
Pre-school Amiga's, obviously

Neil

Hi Everybody,

>> * Free peice of cardboard!
> =

> Does anyone use that for anything? :) (Hey, it's not as stupid a questi=
on as
> you might think :)

   Thats right Neil, it is a good question.

The answer is, you can magically transform it into a MantaSoft Screen Div=
id-o-matic (tm). Simply selotape it to the center of your monitor, then l=
oad up a copy of JamesBond (Http://members.tripod.com/~mantasoft/) and se=
lect a 2 player deathmatch or a 4 player team game. You can then play Jam=
esBond in far greater realism, as you are un-able to see the other player=
s screens :)  (See JamesBond help blurb for diagrams etc.)

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See ya.
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