Ben Vost wrote:

> 
> Okay, we'll go back to the old days of only offering a 10% discount and
> giving away some shabby games then shall we?
> 

What a great idea :)
I always wanted a copy of Gloom or Marvins Marvellous Adventure as part of
a subscription deal...

Come off it people - Ben said before that we wanted the moon on a stick and
we still wouldn't be happy with it. 44% is a hell of a saving, and I can't
see that AF providing 10% discount and a 20 game would make us happy, 'cos
then some berk would want 11%, 21 game and a single DD disk.

Sorry Ben but apparently you are in this for fun and charity and we want the
worst possible deals that you can come up with :) How about a free copy of
ImageFX 4 with every subscription - that should see AF dead within 2 months
:(

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Hi Tom,

>> abosolute proof that the software was their work. I seem to remember
>> that they've already done it for music mods and samples, there's
>> nothing to stop them extending the ban.

> If they did that there wouldn't be anything on the CD. ;)

> The reader warrant protects them from this sort of thing, AFAIK. It's
> there to prevent them being held responsible for the contents of the
> CD. So don't worry, the CD is secure.

Although it protects us to some extent, it's not a failsafe - we would
almost certainly still get sued if there was a copyright breach, which
would definitely mean the end of AF.

All the best,
-- 
Ben Vost (x2337)                T: (+44) 01225 442244
Editor, Amiga Format            F: (+44) 01225 732275
             PGP key available upon request
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I'd like to change the world, 
but they won't give me the source code.

On 31-Aug-99, Gareth wrote:

First off, this was *never* a personal attack on Gareth Murfin. Everyone
who has commented on the situation has looked at the programs in
question and come to the same conclusion.

> Well how was I to know there was anything even going on ?.. anyway,
> on with it..

You're subscribed to the list. You replied to the first posting. We
all thought you were reading the damned thing. In what way has anyone
gone behind your back?

> The 'Poo' accusation :
> Yes i will whole heartedly admit Poo is an altered version of
> 'version'.. Why? Well exactly what it says in the readme.. its
> an extension of the version command designed to give you more info
> about an executable.. This was (obviously)

That isn't what the documentation says at all. I won't go further,
I'll let people read the original for themselves.

> version command is wrong, but I assumed I may as well do this
> rather than write it in Blitz because the exe is alot smaller
> and faster in C. Also.

Then you "may as well" have credited the original as well. Hey, I "may
as well" just use other people's software in future. Why bother trying
to write my own when I can't do as good a job?

> The ZXAM accusation :
> Well, I know Antonio from a long while back on IRC, I emailed him
> and asked if I could have the src from his emulator, he said ok..
> However he said the src was all archived away and I could do what I
> wanted in respect to reverse engineering to try and get it.. 

But why bother? It's far less functional than the original. Anyone
could just get ZXAM and the snapshot and play the game. Programmers
write software to satisfy a need. There was no need for VikRad.

The creditation in the documentation wasn't particularly well
highlighted, either. You said you "used parts of ZXAM". You don't say
"this is ZXAM with functionality cut to pieces and my name on it". Do
you?

> As for using the speccy SNA file, well you can download them all
> over the net and get em from cd's
> I really dont think that's a problem.. if it is wrong then sorry
> again :)..

You can download illegal .adfs all over the `net and get them from
CD-ROMs. It doesn't make it right.

> The 'Ball blitz' accusation :
> I used parts of some *freeware* source code from the blitz user
> magazine to construct a similar

*Freeware *isn't *Public Domain*. If you mean Public Domain, say Public
Domain. You are not allowed to use parts of freeware code, all it
means is that you don't have to pay for it.

> original.. if you think i shouldnt use freeware src then pls tell
> all the doom port authors the same..

Good grief. It is *nothing* the same. Doom was released with the express
intention of it being ported to other platforms. You can't play a Doom
port without buying the original PC version. Explain to me how that is
comparable with your situation.

> The tCPU accusation :

tCPU doesn't work. Whether it is hard coded or not, it *is* broken. It's
not hard to see why people assume there is something fishy going on. I
said many times I don't care about tCPU. I can see you wrote it
yourself.

> think that's about it, here's a few general accusations to clear
> up.. My CV is totally real, everything
> on there is TRUE.. doubting my GCSE results and the fact that im
> doing a computer degree is just silly.

This barely literate posting causes me to doubt your results. However,
I don't care if they are true or false. The point is the plagiarism.
That is *all *it was *ever* about.

> Also I am fluent in HTML, otherwise i wouldnt be able to run a
> website design company.. like most of you i

Yes, you would. Running a company doesn't denote competency. Just ask
Robert Maxwell. The HTML on your site is incorrect in many places. The
design is also hideous, IMHO, but then that is *just an opinion*.

> I'd also like to add that you all seem to have missed out on all my
> truely great programs. All the ones  where it seems I haven't put
> 100% effort in or i have accidentally infringed a (c) , they were
> all created when I was whipping out software left right and center..
> and they  were all when I didn't put as much effort

Yes, I think I must have. I've never seen anything with your name on I
would call truly great. Just an opinion, once again.

> programs, the altered exe's.. and look at the programs i'm really

The altered executables was all we *were* looking at. Stop thinking this
is a personal attack and realise it was genuine concern about programs
you claimed as your work which blatantly aren't.

> proud of like DWaRFx, WBLogo, SkoolZOut

Dwarfx is nothing to be proud of. Sorry, but it isn't. It scattered
old files all over my hard drive and for what? Random kick reasons?

> few dodgy programs at the start.. and i even released the src to

Of course they do. But they don't release them if they aren't their
own work.

> the Amiga community.. I'd like you all
> to drop the full scale search for my sh!ttest programs and instead
> brilliant, like the original classic...

It's not like that at all. If you could see it was about plagiarism,
you might understand. Why haven't you explained why JoyMouse
(documented as saying 100% Blitz Basic) is exactly the same as
FakeMouse (no Basic used at all)? If this isn't something for the
Amiga community to be concerned about, WTF is?

> Oliver Roberts for one, I bought his digicam software
> advertised it free on my site and said nothing but good things
> about it - and in return he ridicules my CV,

Oliver Roberts is an experienced and talented programmer. He looked at
a piece of "your" software and found it to be stolen. Does advertising
his program make him owe you anything? *No, it bloody well doesn't!*

If you have lied about these programs, wasn't he right to suspect
anything else you say? If someone has repeatedly lied to you, don't
you assume other things he says may be lies?

*You* are disappointed with *him*? *I'm* disappointed with *you*. You can't
justify the theft of other coders' work, not no way, not no how.

> I made AmiGreet, it was cloned as WBGreet days later and i got no

Cloned? Or hex edited like you do? If it was the same program with the
name changed, well pot calling the kettle, I'd say. If it was a
similar program doing the same thing but written from scratch then
they did nothing wrong.

Copying ideas isn't the same deal as hex editing someone's name out
and re-releasing.

> credit at all in the docs.. I made WBLogo so days later AmiLogo and
> lots more came out, no credit for me again..

"and lots more". They didn't use your code, they just copied the idea
and rewrote it. I've looked at a couple of programs doing the same
thing and they work much better and share no similarities with your
code. There is nothing wrong with that. How many clock programs are
there on Aminet? How many fortune programs? *Hundreds*. Why should they
credit *you*? Yours were not the first and won't be the last.

How is that different from "The Dead Walk"? A Resident Evil clone, I
believe? It isn't, that's how.

Ideas are not copyrighted. Code *is*.

> I made SSClock and days later VClock was

VClock (unless this is a different clock with the same name) has been
out for years. I have a copy of VClock released in 1993!

> there with no credit in for me at all.. I haven't made a fuss about
> this because its the nature of the software
> industry.. everyone copies each other.. yes in some above cases ive
> done more than copy, but I do apologise for
> that, it will not happen again :) and infact hasn't happened for
> atleast a year.

If you think there is a problem with using other people's *ideas*, go
talk to Microsoft and Lotus. I'm sure they'd love to hear from you.
They have plenty of lawsuits along those lines. Most people believe in
freedom from Look n' Feel lawsuits, however. Almost every coder I know
would feel that way.

I couldn't give a flying f*uck about ideas. This is about releasing
other people's software with oyur name on it.

> If I was cashing in on you lot by my devious ways then I could see
> a reason to hate me.. but since all my stuff

We don't hate *you*, we hate *what you have done*.

Why is it so hard for you to see the difference?

> the Amiga in a year.. The money is in the PC
> market and I haven't gone for it yet - because I was showing
> loyalty to the Amiga. I was offered a publishing

This isn't the kind of loyalty I want to see.

> talking about how they have just pirated my latest game.. I've lost
> literally thousands from amiga piracy..so
> DON'T tell me I'm a pirate..

Did it ever occur to you that you didn't get massive sales because the
reviews of your products gave it such low marks? These are experienced
journalists I'm talking about, not amateur fanzine writers (no offence
to Neil Bullock, BTW).

> I don't want the  support of people who are willing to beleive the
> worst of me anyway.

*Nobody* was just "willing to believe the worst". We looked at the
software in question first.

We "make you sick"? What reaction would *you* have had if you had seen
something like this aimed at another programmer? Would you have said
"oh, I can't believe that!" and left it? Or would you have tried to
prove it one way or the other?

It tried the second approach. I looked at your programs and said what
I saw. I saw theft.

> However, If I see that the response to this is negative then I
> think all Amiga developments from Alpha Software
> will have to be stopped.. 

Threaten away. Going from your past products only, you won't be
missed. I have seen *nothing* to suggest anything of quality from you.

> I myself am not keeping a track of the
> AFB, so I have given this statement to a person
> who emailed me and asked MY side of the story, 

We have cried out for "your side of the story" over and over again.
You are subscribed to the list. You replied to the first email. If we
thought you were reading, WTF would we go chasing after you in person?

> Its decent people
> like Andrew who I thought the Amiga community
> was made up of.. maybe i was wrong afterall..

I thought so too. Until I compared the hex of FakeMouse/JoyMouse and
Poo/Version. We don't owe you anything. Tell me how I could have come
to any other conclusion after looking at this software.

> I enjoy writing for the Amiga & Amiga Press.. and Im *very* sorry
> for any grief I have caused through my truely
> *careless* mistakes.. I'd like to be forgiven so I can continue to
> support our favourite machine.. Whaddyasay?

I forgive, but I won't forget. I'm sorry but buying anything from you
now would, in my mind, condone your actions. I refuse to do that.

> Please refrain from emailing me negative comments, I only want to
> hear positive things. If the majority of
> you don't like me for what I've done then I'll know by my empty
> mail box..

I can't say for sure if this is negative or not. I wanted to clear up
exactly *why* I had said what I had. Why I hadn't emailed you personally
before. Why I called you a pirate. Nothing you have said has convinced
me otherwise.

Cheers,
-- 
Tom Waddington, Tainted Waters Productions
email   : mrflay@castlegormenghast.freeserve.co.uk
ICQ UIN : 43069792

http://welcome.to/alpha-software

Those "OS" icons look familiar. Hmm.. 

Could.. ..they.. ..be.. ..ripped..
..off.. ..clickBOOM's.. website..?

Perhaps? Unless he asked. Which I
doubt.

-- 
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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

Hi M. <mws2@leicester.ac.uk>,

On the 31-Aug-99 you muttered something about [afb] Re: 68060 again =] if I remember correctly, so I thought I would reply! Nice of me wasn't it?

> Where did you get the money to get an 060 anyway? 

The same way I was gunna get that money off ben for the Assassin job. Seriously
=]

> /me in jealous mode :)

Why, what u got? =]]

Cya d00d
GazChap.
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<tsb>
<tsb>Black holes are where God divided by zero.

Hi Ben <ben.vost@futurenet.co.uk>,

On the 31-Aug-99 you muttered something about [afb] Re: Subscriber disk if I remember correctly, so I thought I would reply! Nice of me wasn't it?

> It's not just the cost of putting it on the floppy, it's also the cost to
> actually create it in the first place, and besides which, where would we
> put the password?

with the greatest respect Ben, but what cost? It is just some freeware/shareware
programs from Aminet. Obviously some of these request that the magazine editors
send the author a copy if it gets on a CD or whatver, but just don't use those!

And as for the password, you could put it on the complimentary cardboard, and
then photocopy it =]

Cya d00d
GazChap.
-- 
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<tsb>Founder of *Joker Developments*: http://www.jokerd.freeserve.co.uk
<tsb>*ICQ*: 31023012    *IRC*: GazChap/#AmIRC (Undernet)
<tsb>
<tsb>Enter any eleven digit prime number to continue...

Since when has Gazy been a Freelancer for AF?

And since when did he pioneer "WB hacks"?

This guy is SOME jerk :)

-- 
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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

> Hi M. <mws2@leicester.ac.uk>,
>=20
> > Where did you get the money to get an 060 anyway?=20
>=20
> The same way I was gunna get that money off ben for the=20
> Assassin job. Seriously =3D]

No, really :) How then? Really really truly..?

> > /me in jealous mode :)
>=20
> Why, what u got? =3D]]

68030 40Mhz :(

If only I could justify spending =A3600 on a PPC I could
be proud of. But I can't. So I'm waiting for the BoXeR.
Which will kick your stinky '060 into the dust :)

--=20
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk=20
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

Hi Rob <loki@sds.in2home.co.uk>,

On the 31-Aug-99 you muttered something about [afb] Re: 68060 again =] if I remember correctly, so I thought I would reply! Nice of me wasn't it?

> You REALLY dont want to know the answer to that! ;)

=]

>> /me in jealous mode :)
> 
> /me in jealous mode too ;)

Hehehe. Maybe one day Rob... =] 

Cya d00d
GazChap.
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<tsb>*ICQ*: 31023012    *IRC*: GazChap/#AmIRC (Undernet)
<tsb>
<tsb>Don't use a big word where a diminutive one will suffice.

Hi M. <mws2@leicester.ac.uk>,

On the 31-Aug-99 you muttered something about [afb] Re: 68060 again =] if I remember correctly, so I thought I would reply! Nice of me wasn't it?

>> The same way I was gunna get that money off ben for the 
>> Assassin job. Seriously =]

The local 'mob' ask me to do various 'removals' (as Frontier would put it) so
armed with my trusty Glock I carry them out.

Bet you never thought you'd have a killer on your list eh, Ben? =]

Cya d00d
GazChap.
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<tsb>Founder of *Joker Developments*: http://www.jokerd.freeserve.co.uk
<tsb>*ICQ*: 31023012    *IRC*: GazChap/#AmIRC (Undernet)
<tsb>
<tsb>Hacker pickup line: "Wanna connect at 2400?"

> A nice, ergonomic mouse. Big, chunky, but with fine-click buttons
> (think new mice, rather than cluk! clnnk! Commodore Rats) and a
> mouse wheel in the middle, which is easy to roll. Also a mouse
> wheel on the side of the mouse (for horizontal scrolling) which
> also acts as a button.
I was rather amazed the other day when I saw a mouse with a wheel on
the side, but I guess it makes sense.
On the other hand, I have a totally warped (that's how it was
designed!) logitech mouse which is already not at usable if you're
left-handed. Having a wheel on the side would just make it even worse!!
I haven't seen one that had wheels in both places... I don't actually
use the fourth mouse (thumb-)button on my mouse (OK, I'm using it on my
PC at work at the moment, in case you're wondering how I COULD use the
button!!)

> Microsoft do one, I'm sure of it. Pity Punchinello doesn't 'do'
> Microsoft mice. Does anyone know of any non-MS mice that do all
> that?
Well, the punchinello doesn't actually do the wheel, yet, anyway, does
it?

I've actually had a couple of Microsoft mice work with the punchinello.
But only old two-button ones....

Rob L

Hi M. <mws2@leicester.ac.uk>,

On the 31-Aug-99 you muttered something about [afb] More Gaz funnyness (on a roll!) if I remember correctly, so I thought I would reply! Nice of me wasn't it?


> And since when did he pioneer "WB hacks"?

Or indeed "Pioneer the Amiga"

Cya d00d
GazChap.
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<tsb>*ICQ*: 31023012    *IRC*: GazChap/#AmIRC (Undernet)
<tsb>
<tsb>More fun than a tube of crazy glue and an imagination....

Hi Eddie <eddie@maddock.prestel.co.uk>,

On the 31-Aug-99 you muttered something about [afb] Re: 68060 again =] if I remember correctly, so I thought I would reply! Nice of me wasn't it?

> Er - I haven't played Frontier for a while. Well not since I got my
> Blizzard 060 last year anyway. So I've just put the floppy in df0 and
> rebooted ... and it seems to work fine. (in fact it's been so long
> since I played it, I'm going to have to relearn all the controls, but
> from what I've tried so far,  the 060 seems quite happy with it)

I'm running it from HD, Workbench. NO matter tho, I got a program called
EmbedderII which is an Appicon that degrades your system and runs the file once
you drag it over. It works now, the only thing is I don't get the luvverly 060
speed increase ;)

And is it just me, or are those 060optimised libs in V not optimised at all ? I
couldn't notice any differnce!

Cya d00d
GazChap.
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<tsb>*ICQ*: 31023012    *IRC*: GazChap/#AmIRC (Undernet)
<tsb>
<tsb>If you're trying to drive me crazy, you're much too late!

Hi Eddie <eddie@maddock.prestel.co.uk>,

On the 31-Aug-99 you muttered something about [afb] Re: 68060 - potential problem if I remember correctly, so I thought I would reply! Nice of me wasn't it?

> Oh yeah, it's like Chernobyl underneath my 1200 ! Never had any
> problems with it though. In fact, the extra heat keeps you warm in
> winter. So that's nice then.

Top 5 reasons to buy a 68060 processor:

    1) They're bluddy quick.
    2) They make image processing a breeze
    3) You can play Doom at a decent speed *
    4) They're bluddy quick **
    5) They're handy if you dont have a radiator in your computer room ;]

* But my 68030 played Doom relatively quickly. I ain't tried it on the 060 yet.
  Ain't got no WADs. I guess I'll just have to borrow my m8's pirated pc copy ;)

** I realise that I've said this twice, but I thought it was such an important
   one, it was worth mentioning it twice. 

Guess the (pseudo)quote there in the ** note =]

Cya d00d
GazChap.
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<tsb>*ICQ*: 31023012    *IRC*: GazChap/#AmIRC (Undernet)
<tsb>
<tsb>Error in REALITY.SYS.  Run FANTASY.COM? Y/N

> Top 5 reasons to buy a 68060 processor:
> 
>     1) They're bluddy quick.
>     2) They make image processing a breeze
>     3) You can play Doom at a decent speed *
>     4) They're bluddy quick **
>     5) They're handy if you dont have a radiator in your 
>        computer room ;]

Top 2 reasons NOT to buy a 68060 processor:

    1) They're not bluddy cheap
    2) PPC cards around the corner which will
       emulate them for cheaper

:)

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

Hello,

I have Blizzard 1260 with the SCSI board attached, now I want to 
install WB 3.1 onto a SCSI harddisk attached to the Blizzard, 
however WB will not install because it doesn't like the 68060 
processor (if I boot from the INSTALL 3.1 disk it always crashs out 
and reboots) and if I switch off the Blizzard by holding down "2" the 
SCSI disappears as well!

Has anyone else tried installed WB 3.1 onto a SCSI disk attached 
to a Blizzard 1260+SCSI ?

Regards

Mark

Hi,
   Why call it X-Com? I just thought of a brilliant and apt acronym.

ALIEN

which stands for

*A*lien *L*ifeform *I*nvestigation, *E*xtermination, and *N*eutralisation.

Go ahead, you can say it..

<emanates from crowd> "You're a sad bas*ard!" </emanates from crowd>
Cya!
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<tsb>
<tsb>Individualists of the world, unite!

Hello Ben
     Hiya, Ben... ,on 31-Aug-99 you mailed me about: [afb] Re: Gaz BUSTED!! So I`ma reply`in...

> Hi Ian,
> 
>> Well for all WE know, Perhaps Mr Murfin has Been banned from the list, It
>> may explain his lack of defence!
> 
> He hasn't been banned.

I don't think you can ban someone with EGroups can you?
You can only set the list to moderate and not let them come
back in IIRC.

> All the best,
-- 

Rob,
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Hello MARRISR@uk.ibm.com
     Hiya, MARRISR@uk.ibm.com... ,on 31-Aug-99 you mailed me about: [afb] Re: Come in Mr Murfin, your time is up.! So I`ma reply`in...

> 
> 
>>  Alpha software. Now that is original ain't it? heh Omega
>> software more like. I wonder how many Alpha software's
>> there are around the world? Say, can anyone remember an
>> Amos group called Alpha? Perhaps that is where Gazy stole
>> the name from...
> 
> Look, I've kept out of this until now but I think it's pretty obvious that
> this has become so childish it defeats the point.
> Can someone set up a Murfin-hate list to continue this on please?  ;-)

Or we could just drop it completly! I think he`s been as exposed
as he`s going to get. 

> RobM
-- 

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>>>> "Sealey, M." <mws2@leicester.ac.uk> - 8/31/99 6:30 AM >>>
>> Top 5 reasons to buy a 68060 processor:
>>=20
>>     1) They're bluddy quick.
>>     2) They make image processing a breeze
>>     3) You can play Doom at a decent speed *
>>     4) They're bluddy quick **
>>     5) They're handy if you dont have a radiator in your=20
>>        computer room ;]
>
>Top 2 reasons NOT to buy a 68060 processor:
>
>   1) They're not bluddy cheap
>    2) PPC cards around the corner which will
>       emulate them for cheaper

I've got an '040 /  603e PPC card in a Towerized A1200 system at home but =
I'm putting together a desktop A1200 with '060 because it's the fastest =
accelerator that doesn't require me to rip my motherboard out of the A1200 =
case... is there a PPC card that will run cool enough for this? I'd love =
to know...

Regards,
Jack

P.S.
Yes, I already hacked a larger power supply for the desktop :)

Hello Andrew Crowe, on 31-Aug-99 00:47:44 you said about:
  [afb] Re: Amiga Programming - Beginners... 

>Hi Everybody,

>> Obviously, this list will also need some knowledgable peeps, otherwise
>> it'll be a case of the blind leading the blind...

>   Sure, I'm in :)

>   I can program in ANSI C ya'know ;)

That means it now has two members...;)

Andy, who's going to start hassling Andy about ANSI C... :)

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 http://www.wharne.u-net.com/swag/
--
Next from Intel: the Repentium.

Hello Darin Ritchie, on 30-Aug-99 23:18:52 you said about:
  [afb] Seeking Local Amiga Users 

>Hi there folks,


>I am trying to locate Amiga users around where I live (I know of no other
>Amiga users local to me), in order to start a new user group (there hasn't
>been one around here for years).  So if you are or know of any Amiga users
>please let me know or put them in contact with me.  See my email address
>below.

>Where I am is:

>Victoria, British Columbia, Canada


Try the User Group Network @ http://ugn.amiga.org . I haven't checked
to see if their database is up and running again, but you can also join
the mailing list by going to http://www.egroups.com/group/ugn-talk
(they've just moved it) and ask there.

HTH.

-- 
 Andy Mills,
 South West Amiga Group
 http://www.wharne.u-net.com/swag/
--
Don't worry. I've done this plenty of times before.

Mark Smith said, 

> I have Blizzard 1260 with the SCSI board attached, now I want to 
> install WB 3.1 onto a SCSI harddisk attached to the Blizzard, 
> however WB will not install because it doesn't like the 68060 
> processor (if I boot from the INSTALL 3.1 disk it always crashs out 
> and reboots) and if I switch off the Blizzard by holding down "2" the 
> SCSI disappears as well!

Make a copy of the Install disk, then copy the 68060 and 68040 libraries
to it's libs directory. Then try booting from it.


Neil
-- 
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Connected via Wirenet, The UK's first Amiga-only internet access provider
--
He who laughs last thinks slowest!

Hello all,

I feel I have the two most stupid CD drives in the world. I have a SCSI
JVC 2626 CD Writer and an old IDE Mitsumi FX-400. The Mitsumi, though
very old, reads any CD. The JVC on the other hand will NOT read CDRs
written on any other drive (eg. GoldEd6 and Photogenics4 both came on
CDRs, the JVC wouldn't read them). "Proper" CDs (eg. like the AF CDs)
work fine.

Today I received Napalm, and it doesn't work in my Mitsumi drive!!
(remember, the one that's supposed to read anything) T-Zero works fine
in the Mitsumi drive. The Napalm CD isn't even recognized (No disk in
drive CD0:). For now I have to use my JVC for playing Napalm, but this
way I have no CD audio.

Does my IDE driver not like the CD? Does anyone know a solution? How can
a CD that is recognized in my HiFi system and in my (OLD) car hifi NOT
work in a computer drive?

Regards,
-- 
Oliver Esberger - mailto:oliver@websale.de

>> Can someone set up a Murfin-hate list to continue this on please?  ;-)

> Or we could just drop it completly! I think he`s been as exposed
> as he`s going to get.

The smiley meant I was joking....  I think this has gone *way* too far.

RobM

On 31-Aug-99, Gaz wrote:

>  Ain't got no WADs. I guess I'll just have to borrow my m8's
> pirated pc copy ;)

Tut tut. /Bad/ Gaz. :(

Come on, Ultimate Doom is only 4.99 in Game!

> ** I realise that I've said this twice, but I thought it was such an
> important one, it was worth mentioning it twice. 
> Guess the (pseudo)quote there in the ** note =]

Kryten in Red Dwarf? Originally about either laser cannons or jet
powered rocket pants, I believe.

Cheers,
-- 
Tom Waddington, Tainted Waters Productions
email   : mrflay@castlegormenghast.freeserve.co.uk
ICQ UIN : 43069792

> 
> Make a copy of the Install disk, then copy the 68060 and 68040
libraries
> to it's libs directory. Then try booting from it.
> 

Doh!  One of these days I'll learn to think for myself! ;-)

Thanks

Mark

Hello Gaz

>   When you reboot the Amiga with the Blizzard 1260/50 board, is it
> supposed to make a weird copperlist rainbow type thing, and THEN boot
> the machine?
> 
> Just asking in case my Miggy's about to blow up =]

This is caused by Oxypatcher. It installs a little patch program as the
first line in your startup-sequence. When you boot from cold, this
program presumably installs the patches in memory and then reboots to
let these patches take effect. I don't know why it does the rainbow
effect, but I'm fairly sure that's what's causing it.

Unless of course you aren't actually running Oxypatcher on your system,
in which case it must be something completely different. Obviously.



-- 
Paul Williams 
<pwill@serapis.freeserve.co.uk>

Hi There,

I thought id chuck my 2 pennies into this seeing as ive seen Gaz about,
been following his games, and talked to the guy on IRC.

>  The 'Poo' accusation :

This is a fair comment... I dont see anything wrong in this, if he even
printed in the docs about this!

> 
>  The ZXAM accusation :
> 
>  Well, I know Antonio from a long while back on IRC, I emailed him
and asked if I could
>  have the src from his emulator, he said ok.. However he said the src
was all archived away
>  and I could do what I wanted in respect to reverse engineering to
try and get it.. He knew
>  I wasn't going to make money or anything from it.. So I adapted it
as a front end for a game
>  I used to love called 'viking raiders'.. And no I didnt hex edit the
viking raiders file at
>  all.. I simply played it thru and resaved with my new names.. Yes I
admit again simply altering
>  the gui text etc is pretty wrong, but when I had his permission to
use the SRC I think it's not
>  altogether wrong to do what I did, and if i remember rightly I did
credit him somewhere in there.
>  As for using the speccy SNA file, well you can download them all
over the net and get em from cd's
>  I really dont think that's a problem.. if it is wrong then sorry
again :)..

Again..

Gaz got permission to use the source, and alter if for his needs.  OK
so it was orginally a spectrum game, using a commerical file, but all
Gaz was doing was re-releasing the game in a 90s mood......

Ok its a bad view to stand, I dont agree with this oh the computer is
dead so we can copy the software...we see a lot of it on the Amiga now
with these lame amiga emulators ripping off 100s of Amiga Games on
CD`s.....

Point is though, was there commerical gain on this? (I could be wrong
here, so dont flame me if I am :P)

 
>  The 'Ball blitz' accusation :

Freeware source right? means anyone can use it and alter it for there
OWN needs, of course you dont just re build it and sell it for =A3=A3=A3=A3 but
if you actually alter the source code to work differently its a big
enough difference to call your own...after all, all coding is partly
doing this anyway. (I know some people will not agree, but coding
starts somewhere....)
 
>  think that's about it, here's a few general accusations to clear
up.. My CV is totally real, everything
>  on there is TRUE.. doubting my GCSE results and the fact that im
doing a computer degree is just silly.
>  Also I am fluent in HTML, otherwise i wouldnt be able to run a
website design company.. like most of you i
>  dont think HTML is that much of a skill but employers do, which is
why I added it. Hmm what else.. I have
>  done some C, but my degree is mainly Java - I have done a nice
applet on my dawn of the dead site if you
>  want to see it :)..

Do you think its fair to doubt someones computer skills based on there
CV ? a CV is a CV you put everything in it that will get you a job
somewhere, even if its not your first choice....I just think people are
being spitefull....

Do Amiga users like chasing off there loyal users..... take Team17 for
example...the amount of crap they got from CSAG......
 
If you read some of the stuff...Gaz having his software ripped off you
will see its not just a 1 way thing can anyone out there say there
early software was 100% there own? there website is 100% there own
work...ok this would be bad if Gaz was selling you =A330 software, but
its all free??? hes just altering freely available source code, making
it better and giving it away!

Its up to you.....support amiga or kill amiga....... does it have to be
this way?

Best Regards

John Porter
Amiga Oasis Online
http://bounce.to/amigaoasis
http://www.egroups.com/group/amiga-oasis

*we are looking for software companies to join our group to keep me up
to date with the projects they are working on for my website*

Hi Tom <mrflay@castlegormenghast.freeserve.co.uk>,

On the 31-Aug-99 you muttered something about [afb] Re: 68060 - potential problem if I remember correctly, so I thought I would reply! Nice of me wasn't it?

> Kryten in Red Dwarf? Originally about either laser cannons or jet
> powered rocket pants, I believe.

Give that man an eyebroW! Red Dwarf V, Episode 3, Holoship. But that may just be
me being sad again =]

"A superfluous idea sir, with just two minor flaws. One, we don't have any jet
powered rocket pants, and two, we don't have any jet powered rocket pants! Now I
realise that technically that is only one flaw, but I thought it was such a big
one it was worth mentioning twice."

=]]]

And thst was from memory. Someone PLEASE tell me I got that TOTALLY right! It'd
make my day!

Cya d00d
GazChap.
-- 
<tsb>*Gareth Griffiths*: gaz@jokerd.freeserve.co.uk
<tsb>Founder of *Joker Developments*: http://www.jokerd.freeserve.co.uk
<tsb>*ICQ*: 31023012    *IRC*: GazChap/#AmIRC (Undernet)
<tsb>
<tsb>Life is a tragedy to feelers and a comedy to thinkers.

Hi Paul <pwill@serapis.freeserve.co.uk>,

> Unless of course you aren't actually running Oxypatcher on your system,
> in which case it must be something completely different. Obviously.

Well yes, I am running OxyPatcher. But it can't possibly be that, because it
does it when I turn the computer on (i.e. at the PSU) even when the patch can
not possibly still be in memory!

It also did it when I first installed it, before I put OxyPatcher on the system.

BTW, which is better, OxyPatcher or CyberPatcher? I got CyberPatcher with the
card.

Cya d00d
GazChap.
-- 
<tsb>*Gareth Griffiths*: gaz@jokerd.freeserve.co.uk
<tsb>Founder of *Joker Developments*: http://www.jokerd.freeserve.co.uk
<tsb>*ICQ*: 31023012    *IRC*: GazChap/#AmIRC (Undernet)
<tsb>
<tsb>Celibacy is not hereditary.

> Hi There,
>=20
> I thought id chuck my 2 pennies into this seeing as ive seen=20
> Gaz about, been following his games, and talked to the guy on
> IRC.
>=20
> >  The 'Poo' accusation :
>=20
> This is a fair comment... I dont see anything wrong in this,=20
> if he even printed in the docs about this!

NO HE DIDN'T. Read the docs. In no way does he said "I hex
edited a copyrighted executable to make this program". He
makes no mention of how he wrote it, just that it is
"similar" to the C:Version command that you get free with
Workbench. Well, Version is *not* "free" with Workbench,
it's part of the OS. You pay for it as much as you do
media costs.

> >  The 'Ball blitz' accusation :
>=20
> Freeware source right? means anyone can use it and alter it for there
> OWN needs, of course you dont just re build it and sell it=20
> for =A3=A3=A3=A3 but if you actually alter the source code to work =
differently
> its a big enough difference to call your own...after all, all coding =
is
> partly doing this anyway. (I know some people will not agree, but =
coding
> starts somewhere....)

The reworking of the game is a valid point. But on face value the game
wasn't too original at all - practically the point of the competitiony
thing (ReaderGames wasn't it?) he entered and WON MONEY FOR.

Besides, if it were freeware source it was based on, wouldn't it make
sense to release the modified source as freeware as well? I've seen the
source to the original and looked at the parts that Gazza said he =
changed.

They aren't exactly mindblowingly complicated routines. I expect he
modified them in the same way ANYONE would - I remarked to myself
that it was poorly coded for a start.

But the point is that most of the game was actually from the Blitz CD,
with relatively minor parts rewritten. Hardly "based on" more like
"improved from" sources by some-guy-who-did-some-code.

> >  think that's about it, here's a few general accusations to clear
> >  up.. My CV is totally real, everything on there is TRUE
>=20
> Do you think its fair to doubt someones computer skills based on =
there
> CV ? a CV is a CV you put everything in it that will get you a job
> somewhere, even if its not your first choice....I just think=20
> people are being spitefull....

The fact is that for all the qualifications he seems to have, that
is, frankly, a CRAP CV. Not in qualifications, or explaining how he
knows stuff, but it's badly laid out, it has spelling mistakes (Math's)
and makes some outrageous claims (since when has Gaz been an Freelancer
for AF?)

> Do Amiga users like chasing off there loyal users..... take Team17 =
for
> example...the amount of crap they got from CSAG......

Team17 were going anyway. Beleive me, I used to keep correspondance
with one of the playtesters (I used to send him loads of levels) and
he told me they were going to pull out. Not because of c.s.a.g, but
because they couldn't afford to make games like WormsDC and not get
any money back off them. I think it sold 7,000 copies in all. Pitiful.
 =20
> work...ok this would be bad if Gaz was selling you =A330 software, =
but
> its all free?

It's *NOT* all free, though. I seem to remember the Gloom releases
costing money. They were lame to say the least.

> hes just altering freely available source code, making
> it better and giving it away!

With no real mention of the original authors. And not releasing
this "better" code to the community as the original?

> Its up to you.....support amiga or kill amiga....... does it=20
> have to be this way?

Because Gazy Munchkin is a git. Well I think so anyway. Not
supporting Gaz is not going to kill the Amiga. Because it's
already dead. Anyone who thinks AmiGuess and a version utility
with the name "poo" (how PEURILE can you GET?) will save
a computer system is deluded.

--=20
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk=20
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

> BTW, which is better, OxyPatcher or CyberPatcher? I got 
> CyberPatcher with the card.

Oxypatcher

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

Mark Smith said,
>
> > I have Blizzard 1260 with the SCSI board attached, now I want to
> > install WB 3.1 onto a SCSI harddisk attached to the Blizzard,
> > however WB will not install because it doesn't like the 68060
> > processor (if I boot from the INSTALL 3.1 disk it always crashs out
> > and reboots) and if I switch off the Blizzard by holding down "2" the
> > SCSI disappears as well!
>
>Make a copy of the Install disk, then copy the 68060 and 68040 libraries
>to it's libs directory. Then try booting from it.
>
Hi Mark Smith,

I am also have a Blizzard 1260 with the SCSI board attached, and was
having the same problem years ago. Copying the 68060 and 68040
libraries to the Install3.1 libs directory, do not solve my
problem and I had boot with the setpatch command.

The problem is that if you boot from the Install3.1 disk (from DF0:)
the system crash because the 68040 and 68060 apparently do not like
the "setpatch" version 40.16, that it's located in the Install3.1
C: directory.

You have to make a copy of the Install3.1 disk and then:

1- edit the startup-sequence in the Install3.1 disk (copy):
   ed df0:s/startup-sequence.

; $VER: Startup-Sequence_Install_LD 40.1 (7.5.93)

C:SetPatch >NIL:
C:Version >NIL:
C:AddBuffers >NIL: DF0: 15
FailAt 21.......................

2. Delete or ; the C:Setpatch >NIL:

; $VER: Startup-Sequence_Install_LD 40.1 (7.5.93)

;C:SetPatch >NIL:
C:Version >NIL:
C:AddBuffers >NIL: DF0: 15
FailAt 21.......................

3. Now use this edited install3.1 disk to start your amiga
   and install all the workbench3.1

As you may have notice, the problem is that the setpatch
version 40.16 always crashs out and reboots the system.
You have to use the install3.1 disk without the setpatch
command. I really don't know the reasons....

Please escuse my bad english.

Best regard,

Ulises.

______________________________________________________

Hello,

Does anyone know of any good guestbook site that allows you to store the
guestbook HTML file on your web space rather than there's? I've tried a few
inc. #http://www.guestbook.com# but you can only have it on their server,
which
is a shame. Because apart from that it has all the facilities I need, I don't
even mind  an advertising banner or two.

TIA.
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Hello Andrew

On 31-Aug-99, Andrew Crowe wrote:
> Hi Everybody,
 =

>   Well, after all this about Gareth Murfin going round the list, I figu=
red
> someone should get his views on the acusations.

Well done Andrew, at last someone figured that we'd have to ask him direc=
tly
as he seems to either not know or care what's being said here. =


>   Although he can't (?) post it to the AFB list himself, he gave me thi=
s
> statement to post here, so here it is....

Huh, he's got a web site, email access, yet he can't post this himself. E=
ven
if he's not subscribed to the list he can post to it either directly or v=
ia
the website. Sorry Andrew, I'm not having a go at you personally, it's ju=
st
that this seems a bit odd.  =

 =

I'm sure that there's others who will want to rip this statement to piece=
s,
feel free. I'd just like to comment on a few points.


<tsb>
> =

> Statement from Gareth Murfin about various accusations
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Aug 30th 1999

> The 'Poo' accusation :
> =

> Yes i will whole heartedly admit Poo is an altered version of 'version'=
=2E.
> Why? Well
> exactly what it says in the readme.. its an extension of the version
> command

How the hell can it be an extension of the version command? It *IS* the
version command. =


> designed
> to give you more info about an executable..
> This was (obviously) whipped up
> in seconds

Designed? Whipped up in seconds? urm yes ??


> because I can't stand finding anonymous exe's in c:. I thought that som=
e
> sort of standard
> should be introduced for identifying them.

Like errr the version command. This has been in every Workbench since the=

stone age. =



> Also I am fluent in HTML, otherwise i wouldnt be able to run a website
> design company..

Why not? You don't have to know how to use HTML to run a website design
company. That's just plain daft.  =


> like most of you i
> dont think HTML is that much of a skill but employers do, which is why =
I
> added it. =


proper HTML writing IS a skill. Though judging from your site one that yo=
u
need to work on. I don't claim to be an expert but even I can see errors =
in
it. =



> Yes I'll admit alot of my early stuff is sh!t..

Just the early stuff?


> Im really disapointed to see some relatively big names in the Amiga
> community jumping on the band wagon too,
> its as if everyone is trying to run me out or something.. Oliver Robert=
s
> for one, I bought his digicam software
> advertised it free on my site and said nothing but good things about it=


At least Oliver can write decent software, his AFCDPrefs and AFCDFind are=
 two
good examples that come to mind. Unlike you who just rips other peoples w=
ork
off. =



> And I could give you a list as long as your arm of people who have ripp=
ed
> off my software..

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Go on then, name just one.



Laugh? I nearly wet myself laughing at this next statement. =


> I was offered a publishing
> deal for 'the dead walk' which guaranteed 100,000 sales in the pc marke=
t,
> and i would be getting =A31.50 per unit sold.. =


So by my calculations that =A3150,000 right. A tidy sum for anyone. I'd q=
uite
happily work for a couple of years for this amount of money.

> I told them I'd release the amiga version then think about it.. My
> amiga version will be lucky to sell
> even a 1000 copies nowadays and i sure as well wont get =A31.50 per uni=
t.

Either you're incredibly stupid or a liar. This wins the award for the bi=
ggest
bit of crap I've read for a long while. Are you seriously trying to tell =
us
that you would rather make =A31000'ish instead of =A3150,000 because of y=
our
loyalty to the Amiga. =


> I enjoy writing for the Amiga & Amiga Press.. and Im *very* sorry for a=
ny
> grief I have caused through my truely
> *careless* mistakes..

No one would object to an odd careless mistake from anyone. However
deliberatly ripping off others work is entirely a different matter.

> I'd like to be forgiven so I can continue to support
> our favourite machine.. Whaddyasay?

A Lot of four letter words that I don't intend to write here. =



-- =

   Richard Lane - magnum@ukonline.co.uk
--

Hello John

On 29-Aug-99, John Nelson wrote:

>> Trivialising everything can lead to people refraining from posting more
>> serious messages.
> 
>    I don't think I post any more of little Arexx scripts here the last one
> got 2 joke replies :( I spent ages on the 'net searching for a quick way to
> get AlphaSpell working with YAM, I thought my solution was very neat.

When you don't get any positive feedback over something you've worked hard on
it can be very diss-heartning. However, considering there over 700 subscribed
to this list I'm sure at least a few are thankful, even though they may not
say so publically. Remember that there are other lists out there. I'm sure
you'll find at least one which you'll like. If your thing is ARexx I'm fairly
sure there are several on the subject you might get some enjoyment out of.
Maybe someone on this list knows where they are?

-- 
Best Regards, Richard Lane - magnum@ukonline.co.uk

> > Unless of course you aren't actually running Oxypatcher on your system,
> > in which case it must be something completely different. Obviously.
>
> Well yes, I am running OxyPatcher. But it can't possibly be that, because it
> does it when I turn the computer on (i.e. at the PSU) even when the patch can
> not possibly still be in memory!
>
> It also did it when I first installed it, before I put OxyPatcher on the system.

Hmmm,

As I said, it also does it on mine, and OxyPatcher has been no where near it.

Mark

> http://welcome.to/alpha-software

He's forgot a trailing </table> somewhere, Netscape's blank. Fluent in
HTML, I think not.

d.mcminn@eee.rgu.ac.uk wrote:
> > http://welcome.to/alpha-software
 
> He's forgot a trailing </table> somewhere, Netscape's blank. Fluent in
> HTML, I think not.

  I've got to say that I'm finding all this bitching a little more than
tedious.  I'm sure I can't be the only one!



bye,
  Chris


--
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chrisandrews@earthling.net  - http://www.legpits.co.uk

> Does anyone know of any good guestbook site that allows you to store the
> guestbook HTML file on your web space rather than there's? I've tried a
few
> inc. #http://www.guestbook.com# but you can only have it on their server,
> which is a shame. Because apart from that it has all the facilities I
need, I don't
> even mind  an advertising banner or two.

Goto http://www.worldwidemart.com/scripts/ - there's a whole host of
scripts which are free.  The guestbook one is easy to set up (as long as
you know some HTML) and runs as a CGI script from your home dir, not
necisarily cgibin (as long as your ISP/web host allows you to use your own
cgi scripts then you'll be OK).  Hope this helps!

RobM

>  I've got to say that I'm finding all this bitching a little more than
> tedious.  I'm sure I can't be the only one!

No Chris, you aint.  Can we drop this now or what?  If Gaz has done
anything illegal I'm sure he's been exposed now - if he hasn't and he's
just a t*at then nobody's going to bother with him in future - and if he's
done nothing this is just nasty!

RobM

>>>> <d.mcminn@eee.rgu.ac.uk> - 8/31/99 8:37 AM >>>
>> http://welcome.to/alpha-software
>
>He's forgot a trailing </table> somewhere, Netscape's blank. Fluent in
>HTML, I think not.

Actually, if he's using an Amiga browser of MSIE then the page will show =
up just fine... I find that a LOT of pages written by people that don't =
use Netscape have this feature... I'm a netscape user at work and it =
drives me nuts... of course, it wouldn't kill Netscape to catch up to the =
rest of the world and insert the ability to "Auto-Add" /table tags....

Regards,
Jack

OK, I'd also like to apologise for that last email in this thread, I
just looked at the source for the page and it looks like a fault of the
re-direction people.

> >  I've got to say that I'm finding all this bitching a 
> >  little more than tedious.  I'm sure I can't be the only one!
> 
> No Chris, you ain't.  Can we drop this now or what?  If Gaz has done
> anything illegal I'm sure he's been exposed now - if he hasn't and
> he's just a t*at then nobody's going to bother with him in future 
> - and if he's done nothing this is just nasty!

I agree. Gaz Murfin is a tw^H^H^H and we'll leave it at that.
I have my comment on the "Gaz Murfin - Apocalyptic Nightmare"
page. That's good enough for me :)

-- 
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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

Hello Ben
     Hiya, Ben... ,on 31-Aug-99 you mailed me about: [afb] Re: Gareth Murfin - My Conclusions! So I`ma reply`in...

>> The reader warrant protects them from this sort of thing, AFAIK. It's
>> there to prevent them being held responsible for the contents of the
>> CD. So don't worry, the CD is secure.
> 
> Although it protects us to some extent, it's not a failsafe - we would
> almost certainly still get sued if there was a copyright breach, which
> would definitely mean the end of AF.

Which I suppose makes it even more important that we investigated
Gaz`s actions. 
Or, erm,... Not.

> All the best,
-- 

Rob,
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Hi there,

Ive managed to sort out my software problems regarding YAM and Voyager - =
thanks to those that gave me some useful info. =


I still have a problem with my Power Tower though and I'm wondering if an=
yone out there has had the same.. basically my hard drive LED only works =
when df0: operates... Otherwise I can't tell when the hard drive is worki=
ng as it runs quite silently. I wondered if the small black connector on =
the not quite so small pcb might be plugged in the wrong way round. Every=
thing looks OK - but then, looks can be deceiving :o)

Any ideas out there?

Ta,

Stephen.
Best Wishes
-- =

Sent by my trusty Amiga :o) =


Running with a1200T os3.1 603e+ 040/25 and 160MHz PPC... and Blizzvision =
GFX Card with lots of stuff attached and Siamese Ethernet v2.5 to a TCP n=
etworked Net sharing slave AMD K6-3 450MHz PC.. taking Amiga Computing in=
to the future..... :o)

Founder of #AmigaZone on Dalnet IRC and home of thAOUGht - the 1st Intern=
ational Amiga Online User Group - we meet @ 10pm daily. http://www.master=
spiece.com/azone=

> I still have a problem with my Power Tower though and I'm 
> wondering if anyone out there has had the same.. basically my 
> hard drive LED only works when df0: operates... Otherwise I 
> can't tell when the hard drive is working as it runs quite 
> silently. I wondered if the small black connector on the not 
> quite so small pcb might be plugged in the wrong way round. 
> Everything looks OK - but then, looks can be deceiving :o)

Well I cut the line that connects the HD and floppy lights
"together" like it tells you in the manual. Changing the
way round of the connector wouldn't work.. would it?

I don't know how the thing works. I assume it's just a
connector joining the two signals together with a bit
of lame logic.

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk 
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

On 31-Aug-99, Richard wrote:

>>   I don't think I post any more of little Arexx scripts here the
>> last one got 2 joke replies :( I spent ages on the 'net searching
>> for a quick way to get AlphaSpell working with YAM, I thought my
>> solution was very neat.

> When you don't get any positive feedback over something you've
> worked hard on it can be very diss-heartning. However, considering
> there over 700 subscribed to this list I'm sure at least a few are
> thankful, even though they may not say so publically.

Bear in mind that only 20 or so people post even semi-regularly. I use
YAM but don't use AlphaSpell (it's shareware and if I'm not going to
register I'm not going to use) so the script was of no use to me.

I'm sure it works very well, but it sort of required one of the 20 or
so posters to be using YAM and AlphaSpell but unable to get them
communicating. I *did* save it though, and put it on my special safe
storage zip, in case I ever need it. So you can consider that a
compliment if you like.

Cheers,
-- 
Tom Waddington, Tainted Waters Productions
email   : mrflay@castlegormenghast.freeserve.co.uk
ICQ UIN : 43069792

Hi Alex
On 29-Aug-99, you wrote

>> Hehehe, now only a person from Luton would use the word "eejit"

> Nah, they'd probably use something like 'Chuddies' or 'Dunda'.

I have the call to Allah "song" in my head now, it'll be annoying me for
ages now...

>> Anyway, do you know any other amiga users in luton?, I wanna start a user
>> group!!, anyone from luton, mail me privately!

> Not AFAIK.  Although I do have the phone number of the bloke who *used* to
> run the old one if you want it.

Sure :), would you join then?

Cherio bye ta tar
-- 
<sb>HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash/
<sb>Matthew O'Neill  -  MashMan

Eat healthy, exercise daily, and die young anyway.

Hi Frost
On 30-Aug-99, you wrote

> There Gaz, you have the immortality in the Amiga community for which you
> sought for so long! ;-)

Right up there with Tim Rue ;)

Cherio bye ta tar
-- 
<sb>HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash/
<sb>Matthew O'Neill  -  MashMan

So it goes so it goes so it goes so it goes s

Hi Alex
On 30-Aug-99, you wrote

> Hi all

> We've had the best games ever, now I'd like to know your favourite game
> intros. My votes go to The Settlers, Space Crusade (cos it makes me laugh)
> and Frontier.

Hmm, in that case, (from good to best)

frontier
settlers
theme park
Super frog

Cherio bye ta tar
-- 
<sb>HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash/
<sb>Matthew O'Neill  -  MashMan

"Bother" said Pooh, as he pulled a Murfin

Hi Oliver
On 29-Aug-99, you wrote

>> Check out the reply I got :D

> *Not clever!*  I'm not sure which spam this was in response to, but did
> you mention afb@egroups.com in your message?  If so, that address has
> now almost certainly been added to his "mailing list" (if it wasn't
> already on it - i.e. if it was a spam posted via eGroups message poster).
> Whatever, he has probably added your personal e-mail address too.

No, as the mail says, only egroups was mentioned. Anyway I haven't seen a
sliver of spam since I sent that have you? I've done this before, and it
works, as long a you don't jusy hit reply. goto the site and have a look
for the webmaster. ie. real person.

Now I'll just wait for the credit card one with the garbage aol or msn
address and repeat :)

> take part in that, you'd be breaching Freeserve's terms of conditions
> and your account would probably be terminated, so don't think that mail
> bombing is clever ;)

Yeah it is!, I'll get another account. there are 1000's of isps out
there....

> When it comes to spams via afb, the best thing to do is to let Ben
> deal with them 

Has Ben stopped them? no offense to Ben, but I don't think he (has time/can
be bothered) to do anything, so I have, and it's worked

Cherio bye ta tar
-- 
<sb>HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash/
<sb>Matthew O'Neill  -  MashMan

Happiness is a QUALITY tagline database.

Hi Paul
On 30-Aug-99, you wrote

> Hello, I see you've gone serious for once :) ,

When am I not??? wibble scissors

>> no, blasphemy for not knwoing who he was

> I know what blasphemy means. Where did you think the "o" was supposed
> to go?

somewhere after the "ph", maybe, perhaps

> Well he was sort of reviewing browser plugins and has done comparisons
> of IRC clients in the past.
> Anyway, he used to do PDselect - if that isn't reviewing then I don't
> know what is!

PD and IRC don't need much processing power.....

Cherio bye ta tar
-- 
<sb>HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash/
<sb>Matthew O'Neill  -  MashMan

I think ... therefore I am obviously overqualified.

Hi Andrew
On 29-Aug-99, you wrote

>> Even optimaised stuff will go faster

>   It it doesn't have any non-060 instructions, then OxyPatcher won't make
> any difference.

technically, but if you made an 060 optimised program to count from 1 to
1,000,000 then oxypatcher would speed it up

Cherio bye ta tar
-- 
<sb>HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash/
<sb>Matthew O'Neill  -  MashMan

A fool and his money are soon elected.

Hi Chris Cringle
On 29-Aug-99, you wrote

>> Hi Chris Tarrant
>> On 28-Aug-99, you wrote

> Where on earth did you get 'Tarrant' as my surname from?

I'm following the sig/header changing which Alex is so fond of :)

>> <REDNECK>"yurp"</REDNECK>

> Just a suggestion (sometimes people overlook the obvious) - no need to get
> sarky!

I was only agreeing....

Cherio bye ta tar
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<sb>Matthew O'Neill  -  MashMan

Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance.  Confucius

Hi Gerard
On 30-Aug-99, you wrote

> A question about using other ppls stuff, I do a few anims and because I
> can't draw very well I have in  the past altered existing anim brushes and
> used them.Is this a "Murfin" or not,as I do not want to cause offence to
> any of the real artist's.

Which? and what you using them for? If its just a few old dpaint ones and
you're making a wedding video, no-one is gonna start sending you to jail

> As for hex-editing existing software I put the kids names as testers for
> Civilization as they were addicted to it, I only did this on their HD and
> would never give it to anybody else.Is that Ok or what ?

"sshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.........." ;) Nothing wrong with that,
thats how you enable some cheats in games :)

Cherio bye ta tar
-- 
<sb>HTTP://www.bigwig.net/mash/
<sb>Matthew O'Neill  -  MashMan

I'll be lost in the ozone for a while.

Hi Mark,


>Doh!  One of these days I'll learn to think for myself! ;-)


I don't if there's someone around to do my thinking for me :)

Cheers
Tom

Daft Headline #2:
Police Begin Campaign to Run Down Jaywalkers

Hi Gaz,

>> Kryten in Red Dwarf? Originally about either laser cannons or jet
>> powered rocket pants, I believe.

>Give that man an eyebroW!

Hey I'm feeling generous, give him 2! (Epideme)

>"A superfluous idea sir, with just two minor flaws. One, we don't have any
jet
>powered rocket pants, and two, we don't have any jet powered rocket pants!
Now I
>realise that technically that is only one flaw, but I thought it was such a
big
>one it was worth mentioning twice."

>And thst was from memory. Someone PLEASE tell me I got that TOTALLY right!
It'd
>make my day!


The quote is spot on but I think the episode was Terraform, where Starbug
starts sinking in the Swamp of Despair :) Anyone spot the Amiga in that
episode?


There, made it On Topic :)

Cheers
Tom

Daft Headline #2:
Police Begin Campaign to Run Down Jaywalkers

Hello Gaz Griffiths, on 31-Aug-99 15:09:14 you said about:
  [afb] Re: 68060 - potential problem 

>Hi Paul <pwill@serapis.freeserve.co.uk>,

>> Unless of course you aren't actually running Oxypatcher on your system,
>> in which case it must be something completely different. Obviously.

>Well yes, I am running OxyPatcher. But it can't possibly be that, because it
>does it when I turn the computer on (i.e. at the PSU) even when the patch can
>not possibly still be in memory!

Yes it does. I run Oxypatcher too, and it causes the screen
flashing/whatever as *soon* as it starts to boot...

>It also did it when I first installed it, before I put OxyPatcher on the
>system.

My old 1230/IV used to flash little blue lines across the screen to show
that it was working. Maybe this is what's happening with the 1260?

>BTW, which is better, OxyPatcher or CyberPatcher? I got CyberPatcher with the
>card.

Oxypatcher, as I believe it emulates more instructions, or somefink...

-- 
 Andy Mills,
 South West Amiga Group
 http://www.wharne.u-net.com/swag/
--
Look astonished when you break something, even if you meant to.

Hello Richard Lane, on 31-Aug-99 15:17:50 you said about:
  [afb] Re: AFB-OT 

[snip]

>When you don't get any positive feedback over something you've worked hard on
>it can be very diss-heartning. However, considering there over 700 subscribed
>to this list I'm sure at least a few are thankful, even though they may not
>say so publically. Remember that there are other lists out there. I'm sure
>you'll find at least one which you'll like. If your thing is ARexx I'm fairly
>sure there are several on the subject you might get some enjoyment out of.
>Maybe someone on this list knows where they are?

There's one over on Onelist (http://www.onelist.com). Pop along to the
Onelist website and do a search for `arexx' or send a mail to
arexx-subscribe@onelist.com to subscribe, normal messages are sent to
arexx@onelist.com

-- 
 Andy Mills,
 South West Amiga Group
 http://www.wharne.u-net.com/swag/
--
"Bother," said Pooh, as he waited for Windows '98.

Hello Gaz

On 30-Aug-99, Gaz Griffiths wrote:
> Hi Gerard <gerryx@albion7.freeserve.co.uk>,
> 
>> As for hex-editing existing software I put the kids names as testers for
>> Civilization as they were addicted to it, I only did this on their HD and
>> would never give it to anybody else.Is that Ok or what ?
> 

Yeah I've hex-edited place-names in flight-sims so as to blow up our local
Post Office etcetera.  Oh and I mucked around with Pinball Fantasies so it
says "I love Jessica"  8-)  Big soppy Mark

> <MrGarrison> NO! YOU HEAR! You go to hell! You go to hell and you die!
> </MrGarrison> 

That is /so /funny.

Mark

On 31-Aug-99, Ben Vost wrote:
> 
>> Its great that 44% is knocked off the price of the subscription, but
>> how about trying to get some freebies back, like a free game, or a
>> voucher here and there for subscribers?
> 
> Okay, we'll go back to the old days of only offering a 10% discount and
> giving away some shabby games then shall we?

Some people are just never satisfied, are they Ben?
The 44% discount is a *very* good deal, and still people want more. Maybe you
should charge full price for the subs and offer a "free" 2.50 cheque with
each subs copy....

Cheers.
-- 
 James Luscombe                   Amiga 3000T, 604e/200 060/50, Picasso IV
 james@jackle.demon.co.uk         Amiga 1200, 040/40

 Page your sysop at 3:00am and learn new words.

Hello Mark

On 31-Aug-99, you wrote:

>> Well yes, I am running OxyPatcher. But it can't possibly be that,
>> because it
>> does it when I turn the computer on (i.e. at the PSU) even when the
>> patch can
>> not possibly still be in memory!
>> 
>> It also did it when I first installed it, before I put OxyPatcher on
>> the system.
 
> As I said, it also does it on mine, and OxyPatcher has been no where
> near it.
 
It's definately Oxypatcher that causes it on my 040. I just commented
out the first line in my startup and there was no rainbow effect. Put
the line back in again and it reappears. It was the same on a friend's
060 as well.

It does do it when you first switch on from cold because the patch is
copied into memory and then the computer is reset straight away, before
the rest of the startup is executed. Watch your power light, you'll see
it go dim for a second. (When first powering up)

If it's not that I don't know what could be causing it. Check your startup
sequence, see if there's anything out of the ordinary in there.

Of course, it could be a subliminal message from your computer telling
you that it WANTS to run Oxypatcher :)


Paul Williams 
<pwill@serapis.freeserve.co.uk>

Hello,

Has anyone on the list used AmigaVision - The Multimedia Authoring Tool.
I was just wondering if it is the same as the CanDo program.
Many Thanks
mattie

Hi all

Amiga have registered a patent.

Check out http://www.patents.ibm.com/details?pn=US05935230_&s_clms=1#clms

Maybe some technical people can translate this for us :)

Cheers
Tom

Daft Headline #2:
Police Begin Campaign to Run Down Jaywalkers

According to Gaz, there's something good going on and it's
something to do with [afb] Re: More lookielikies.

> Hi Paul <paulc@lantik.u-net.com>,

I am a name. I am not an address (or something like that ;).

> > Anyway, didn't he look like Mr B?
 
> To be honest, I don't know what Mr. Bothwick looks like (sorry Neil) so I
> couldn't tell you ;)

Try looking on page 12 of AF125 - the AAA voting form. Though I don't
s'pose you remember what the bloke on TV looked like now!

> It WAS Neil Bothwick you're talkin' about ain't it =]

Uhu.

> GazChapped lips.

Paul C, from the cornershop
--
... Lost:  small apricot poodle. Reward. Neutered. Like one of the family.

> >Well yes, I am running OxyPatcher. But it can't possibly be that,
because it
> >does it when I turn the computer on (i.e. at the PSU) even when the
patch can
> >not possibly still be in memory!
> 
> Yes it does. I run Oxypatcher too, and it causes the screen
> flashing/whatever as *soon* as it starts to boot...

No, its the 060 doing memory checks or somehting. The screen flashes
whether you run nothing, cyberpatcher or oxypatcher, from a reboot or
switching on at the wall.

Hi there,

> I still have a problem with my Power Tower though and I'm =

> wondering if anyone out there has had the same.. basically my =

> hard drive LED only works when df0: operates... Otherwise I =

> can't tell when the hard drive is working as it runs quite =

> silently. I wondered if the small black connector on the not =

> quite so small pcb might be plugged in the wrong way round. =

> Everything looks OK - but then, looks can be deceiving :o)

Well I cut the line that connects the HD and floppy lights
"together" like it tells you in the manual. Changing the
way round of the connector wouldn't work.. would it?

Well, the reason why I ask was that when i 1st bought my Power Tower the =
LED did work correctly with the hard drive. It now no longer works except=
 when the floppy drive is active. I'm no engineer - I trained as a Radiog=
rapher at Uni so I don't find splicing lines on a pcb that straightforwar=
d. Imaging someones small intestines or brain to see if they had cancer w=
ould be a breeze tho :o)

I wondered if the answer to the problem was a simple one. I'd be loathed =
to have to send my whole system back to Power Computing just to get the l=
ight fixed :) In any case why should the manual tell you how to fix a pro=
blem that shouldn't exist in the 1st place... I'm searching for the manua=
l just to see where it mentions this.

Bfn,

Stephen. =

-- =

Sent by my trusty Amiga :o) =


Running with a1200T os3.1 603e+ 040/25 and 160MHz PPC... and Blizzvision =
GFX Card with lots of stuff attached and Siamese Ethernet v2.5 to a TCP n=
etworked Net sharing slave AMD K6-3 450MHz PC.. taking Amiga Computing in=
to the future..... :o)

-----------------------------------------
[ My *PPC* & *CVPPC* Amiga made me reply:|
------------------------------------------
Mon, 30 Aug 1999 20:35:41 +0100

[afb] Re: Lightsabres (was AF....)


> Hello,
> I've restrained myself on this topic so far, but I just gotta interject
> 
> > 12) Why do light sabres have 4 buttons? on and off? 

In the book the Jedi Search one of Luke Skywalkers students has an
adjustable light sabre that nearly take Lukes swede off. (It could
have been Jedi Apprentice, it was a long time ago in a room far far
away that I read the book.)



-- 
Only the Amiga makes it possible.
Malcolm Harnden
malky@nobleone.u-net.com
http://www.nobleone.u-net.com

      /|  |\
     / |  | \
    /  ----  \_
   /   \  /  | |May the Force be with you.
  |)----()---\_|
   \   /||\   /
    \        /
     ^::::::^
       ::::
      :    :
      :    :
      ::::::
       ::::
        ::
  

>>>> Mattie Whittle <mwhittle@tinet.ie> - 8/31/99 11:51 AM >>>
>Hello,
>
>Has anyone on the list used AmigaVision - The Multimedia Authoring Tool.
>I was just wondering if it is the same as the CanDo program.
>Many Thanks
>mattie

I've got about three copies of that rotting away on a shelf somewhere... =
From what I've gathered.. it was a multimedia presentation program that =
allowed you to control some models of panasonic laserdisc players.... not =
much use in the modern world...

Regards,
Jack

Ben Vost said:

> Okay, we'll go back to the old days of only offering a 10% discount and
> giving away some shabby games then shall we?

Yeeeeaaaaah!...

...Eh? I mean -

Nooooooooooooo!

Seriously, I stopped looking at the subscription 'gifts' long ago. Shan't
miss 'em, personally. Give me the 44% any day. I'm just thankful that
there's still an AF at all.

Oh, and thanks for putting an end to the pile of unused floppies on my desk,
although I must say I'm missing 'Backstage' already. It'll pass, I guess...

Regards,
Jonny.

--
Support bacteria - they're the only culture some people have.

> technically, but if you made an 060 optimised program to count from 1 to
> 1,000,000 then oxypatcher would speed it up

ok...

        move.l    #999999,d1
        move.l    #1,d0
.loop
        addq.l    #1,d0
        dbf        d1,.loop


What, exactly, would it do to that?


===================================
so long and thanks for all the fish
      http://fly.to/Mr_Tickle
===================================

Real meanings #9:
FTP: Find The Porn

> Well I've had mine a couple of years, and it's done it every time I reb=
oot
> and my machines still ok

> But wether or not its supposed to do it is another question.

AFAIK all Phase5 turbo's have some sort of reboot indicator that the card=
 is active. The 1230 range all have blue lines. I've also seen flashy FX =
from a CS Mk I 060 and a Mk III. I *think* the 1260's do too.



=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
so long and thanks for all the fish
      http://fly.to/Mr_Tickle
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Real meanings #11:
HTML: Hate This Microsoft Lameness

Hi All.

OK. Everyone is sick of this thread. I would just like to have my final s=
ay (PLEASE?). Any replies can be mailed to me directly please :)

> The 'Poo' accusation :

> code soon.. Admittedly you are right to pick me up on this one.. but do=
n't hold it too much
> against me :)

Fair enough Gaz.

> The 'Ball blitz' accusation :

> I used parts of some *freeware* source code from the blitz user magazin=
e to construct a > =


Someone should tell him that freeware programs are copyrighted, and only =
*public* *domain*
software is copyright free.

> The tCPU accusation :

> tCPU doesn't have hardcoded results at all, it does some simple tests a=
nd using an =


How can he argue this when Tom disassembled it and /proved/ it didnt gene=
rate real results. Whether it did or didnt is no longer an issue. (Tom, c=
an you e-mail me the disassembly please :)

> Also I am fluent in HTML, otherwise i wouldnt be able to run a website =
design company.. like most of you i

Why is his site so blatantly badly coded then?

> I'd also like to add that you all seem to have missed out on all my tru=
ely great programs. All the ones

errrr......??? "Truely Great" ? I'm sorry which are these?

> into each release. Yes I'll admit alot of my early stuff is sh!t.. Im t=
he first to admit it.. but I only
> started coding when I was like nearly 17.. If you can blank out the cra=
p I've made.. the crappy dos script
> programs, the altered exe's.. and look at the programs i'm really proud=
 of like DWaRFx, WBLogo, SkoolZOut

Wasn't SkoolZOut another ZXAM job? Which even if made with permission, st=
ill isnt his work really.

> And I could give you a list as long as your arm of people who have ripp=
ed off my software.. to name but a few :

I bet you they didn't credit him because their "similar" programs were wr=
itten from scratch rather than hex edited.

> If I was cashing in on you lot by my devious ways then I could see a re=
ason to hate me.. but since all my stuff

I dont hate him. I just think he's misguided.

> deal for 'the dead walk' which guaranteed 100,000 sales in the pc marke=
t, and i would be getting =A31.50 per unit
> sold.. I told them I'd release the amiga version then think about it.. =
My amiga version will be lucky to sell
> even a 1000 copies nowadays and i sure as well wont get =A31.50 per uni=
t. Plus everytime I =


If this is true, you have to respect him for this. I can't see someone of=
fering him such a deal for potential vapourware from such smallfry in the=
 game development world, though, so its probably bollocks.

> DON'T tell me I'm a pirate..

You're a pirate. Maybe an ex-pirate, but you ripped off at least two prog=
rams (Version and Fakemouse). (I'm an ex-pirate too.)

> I enjoy writing for the Amiga & Amiga Press.. and Im *very* sorry for a=
ny grief I have caused through my truely
> *careless* mistakes.. I'd like to be forgiven so I can continue to supp=
ort our favourite machine.. Whaddyasay?

Careless implies he wouldn't have been remorseful if he hadn't been found=
 out.

> Please refrain from emailing me negative comments, I only want to hear =
positive things. If =


=2E.. otherwise i'd have mailed this to him, but seeing as he doesnt want=
 to hear what I have to say, i'll express my views here.


=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
so long and thanks for all the fish
      http://fly.to/Mr_Tickle
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

=2E.. (0x2B|!0x2B), that is the question.

Hello All,

On 31-Aug-99, Ben Vost wrote:

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I'd like to change the world, 
but they won't give me the source code.

Nothing to stop someone using a hex-ed and then re releasing it though :)

Bye,

-- 
Danny Shepherd.
UIN: 30044173
WEB: http://start.at/shepherd
Member of the AmigaRC5 team: Cracking blocks at 2.898 Giga keys/hour

Experience is directly proportional to the value of equipment destroyed.
-- Carolyn Scheppner

Hello Chris Andrews, on 31-Aug-99 16:47:00 you said about:
  [afb] Re: Check Gazy's new site 

>d.mcminn@eee.rgu.ac.uk wrote:
>> > http://welcome.to/alpha-software
> 
>> He's forgot a trailing </table> somewhere, Netscape's blank. Fluent in
>> HTML, I think not.

>  I've got to say that I'm finding all this bitching a little more than
>tedious.  I'm sure I can't be the only one!

No you're not...

It's got to the point now where the `proper' discussion on this topic
has come to an end and the needless piss-taking has started. Whether or
not Mr. Murfin is guilty as charged, people here should not lower their
standards by carrying out such actions.

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Hi,

Just a quick word (or so) to say "God! I'll be glad when I get back to
college" :) That way I can keep up with AFB (and take my rightful place at
number one in the top posters chart :))

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> Which I suppose makes it even more important that we investigated
> Gaz`s actions.

I very much doubt that Amiga would sue for the Version copyright breach since
they probably realise that AF is currently the only standing Amiga mag (not
for long). I don't suppose many others would sue AF either for the same
reason. Of course, surely the reader warrant means that (provided you have the
funds) you could sue the person who caused AF to get sued couldn't you?

Neil

Hello d.mcminn, on 31-Aug-99 18:19:24 you said about:
  [afb] Re: 68060 - potential problem 

>> >Well yes, I am running OxyPatcher. But it can't possibly be that,
>because it
>> >does it when I turn the computer on (i.e. at the PSU) even when the
>patch can
>> >not possibly still be in memory!
>> 
>> Yes it does. I run Oxypatcher too, and it causes the screen
>> flashing/whatever as *soon* as it starts to boot...

>No, its the 060 doing memory checks or somehting. The screen flashes
>whether you run nothing, cyberpatcher or oxypatcher, from a reboot or
>switching on at the wall.

Yes, as in Oxypatcher does cause the "rainbow" effect. That is what I
was commenting on in this part. You snipped out the bit where I said it
was possible that this "rainbow effect" could be the 1260 showing that
it is active as the 1230/IV does with its blue lines, etc.....


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Hello Gaz

 
> The only reason I want to switch it off is so I can play Frontier!
> Unless someone has a patch for it that allows it to work on an 060.
> Cya!

? I have award winners gold edition version; no problems with 060
(A500T/Blizzard2060 or A4000/PPC/060)
and it's installed to HD with an installer from the net.

Regards
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now cooking with A4000/233PPC

Hiya, 

[-SNIP-]  

> And why did he do it to version?  Version for god's sake!  I only use that
> if I'm told I need a new lib or dev.  And who the hell was going to start
> supporting the $POO string?
> 

In fact since a lot of programs still do not use $VER: properly, I use
the hex read option of DirOpus to read through until I see a "version
string" of some sort. As for $POO: , I think most people would have
took one look, thought hmm looks like $VER: and placed the $POO in the
required recepticle and pushed the required "flush" handle.

Regards,
Steven.

Hiya All,

> 
> I agree,.. I would still like to know how gloom3 came about.. it`s
> farily identical to GloomDeluxe, and I wouldn`t be supprised if the EXE 
> from Gloom Deluxe and Gloom3 are the same.

Actually, I recall Mark Sibly released an Editor for gloom so you
could create your own levels/gfx. It seemed to me that all "Gaz" did
was use said editor, and distrubuted the Gloom2/Deluxe exe with it.
(Oh, and made his FMV frontend - if you can call it that - given that
I've never seen it, and only read the reviews)

> I wonder if he scored some kind of deal with Guildhall? They were
> always out to milk the Amiga for what they could get, and it`s common
> knowledge that they dont like the Amiga/Amiga Market.
> They added the BlitzSupportSuite to the Ultimate BlitzCD without
> the consent of /Red When Exited/, claiming that they own the rights
> to Blitz, when BSS was a major update and rights to Blitz held by
> Simon Armstrong were sold/given to Steve Matty(RWE) at the time 
> (if I`m not mistaken). RWE not having the money to take them to 
> court couldn`t do anything. And ultimatly left the amiga scene.

Steve was given the code to Blitz/Ted to update - which he signed a
deal with Guildhall to do. However, they weren't to forthcoming with
reagrds to paying either Steve Matty for TED/Blitz updated, or to
Steve McNamara/Steve Matty for the BSS royalties. 

They were also responsible for our game BlitzBombers not actually
being released commerically (both Amiga and PC versions were
in the Pipeline, the Amiga one being cancelled just days from
Mastering) ((Outside intervention from a prolific SNES developer put
paid to that))

Regards,
Steven

Hiya Tyler,
 
> 
> Hmmm...  How can anyone do a BSc (Hons) in Computer Science without
> learning any C, I wonder?  He doesn't list it as one of his languages.
> Even a 2nd year would know some C in our uni.  (They start off with
> Haskell or Miranda.)
> 

Well, I did my Degree in Comp Sci from 1993-1996, and the first year
we were taught Miranda (eeek), and Modula3.

The uni itself only brought in C coding as we started our second
year, so we had a crash course in rudimentary C coding, which never
prepared us enough for the rest of the 2nd / final years. Subsequently
I'm not too hot on C coding, though I can do it ;)

Regards,
Steven.

It's the third message I send to you since July and I got no answer
from you.
My name was in issue 124 as a winner of an analogic drive I'm still
waiting.
As it's the first time I win a present from AF since my first
subscription
(next time, it will be my 6th), I would be pleased if you can tell me
when
I will receive it.

Thanks for answer.

Hello Paul


> This is caused by Oxypatcher. It installs a little patch program as
> the first line in your startup-sequence. When you boot from cold, this
> program presumably installs the patches in memory and then reboots to
> let these patches take effect. I don't know why it does the rainbow
> effect, but I'm fairly sure that's what's causing it.
> Unless of course you aren't actually running Oxypatcher on your
> system, in which case it must be something completely different.
> Obviously.

My Blizzard 2060 makes that rainbow effect by itself (maybe maprom -
I have not tested).
Oxypatcher makes another! But with a GFX-card they are not visible.
The Oxypatcher one has a tighter spacing of the rainbow stripes.

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mws2@leicester.ac.uk was probably joking but you can never tell... > > Hi M. <mws2@leicester.ac.uk>,
> > 
> > > Where did you get the money to get an 060 anyway? 
> > 
> > The same way I was gunna get that money off ben for the 
> > Assassin job. Seriously =]
> 
> No, really :) How then? Really really truly..?
> 
> > > /me in jealous mode :)
> > 
> > Why, what u got? =]]
> 
> 68030 40Mhz :(
> 
> If only I could justify spending 600 on a PPC I could
> be proud of. But I can't. So I'm waiting for the BoXeR.
> Which will kick your stinky '060 into the dust :)
> 

Don't try to justify it, do what I did and let Visa take care of it
for you:-)

Noah (hoping for the end of the world before my next credit card bill.
Yay Nostradamus;-)
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> Hi,
>    Why call it X-Com? I just thought of a brilliant and apt acronym.
> 
> ALIEN
> 
> which stands for
> 
> *A*lien *L*ifeform *I*nvestigation, *E*xtermination, and *N*eutralisation.
> 
> Go ahead, you can say it..
> 
> <emanates from crowd> "You're a sad bas*ard!" </emanates from crowd>
> Cya!

I'll spsre ou the sad bastard if you (or anyone) can tell me how to
run UFO on a 1200/PPC/BVision;-) 
or for that matter GS2000 and several others that seem to sulk when
they hit the BPPC's rom (pre loading 68040/060/PPC libraries the
bastards:-(

Noah

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Matthew Garrett wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 17, 1999 at 11:27:22AM -0700, Brian@gyles.demon.co.uk wrote:
>
> > A510 was the amiga modulator (not 100% sure could have been the ram
> > pack)
>
> Nope - that was the A520. The memory board was the A501.
>

BZZZZT: The A520 was the CD-ROM drive for the A500

>
> > A1010 was the old amiga 3.5" Disk Drive
>
> Yup.
>

I thought that was the A510 (Will have to check my mate's old A500 stuff)


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roger buckley wrote:

> the Times supplement, Interface, today featured the new AMD Athlon processor
> with speeds of 500, 550 & 600 MHtz. The first PC's with it installed will
> be available about xmas. Any chance of this for the AmigaNG ? Words such as
> hell & snowballs spring to mind. Dream on.

Actually, Athlon is out now. I work for Simply Computers in Wlathamstow (Good
for Hard-drives and monitors and freebies), and they have Athlon's in stock @
500, 550 & 600Mhz, along with 650's on the R&D Desk (And a Refrigerated 600
Overclocked to 800). It's faster like-for-like than a PIII, too..... Intel...
AMD's catching your tail...
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Matthew O'Neill wrote:

> Hi Paul
> On 21-Aug-99, you wrote
>
> >>> I hate MacDonalds, but I always call it "Mickey Dees"
>
> > Whhhhyyyyyyyyyyy?
>
> because its quucker and sounds betterm everything has a nick name
>
> >> I too am a "Maccy D's" guy :)
>
> > Oi! No!
>

I'm more of a "McD" (Pronounced Muk-dee) man myself. Mind you, I have worked
there (Who hasn't?)

>
> > ... Q: How many Oregonians does it take to screw in a light bulb?
> >    A: Three.  One to screw in the lightbulb and two to fend off all those
> >       Californians trying to share the experience.
>
> WTF is an oregonian?
>

Oregonian: Someone coming from the state of Oregon, in the US.


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Alex Furmanski wrote:

> Hi Matthew
>
> > > ... Q: How many Oregonians does it take to screw in a light bulb?
> > >    A: Three.  One to screw in the lightbulb and two to fend off all
> those
> > >       Californians trying to share the experience.
> >
> > WTF is an oregonian?
>
> An inhabitant of Oregon. Like a Mancunian, or a Lutonian :-)

Bzzzzzt! Mancuvian!
              ^


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Ben Vost wrote:

> Hi Matthew,
>
> > No, the internet. Quite literally everyone that I might want to transfer
> > information to is connected to the internet in such a way as to allow me
> > to do that. This is going to become increasingly widespread in the near
> > future as cable modems and ADSL take off.
>
> Cable & Wireless won't have the infrastructure in place to handle cable
> modems (nor will they supply them) until summer or autumn next year... :(

C&W have already stated that they are rolling out Cable Modems *NOW*. Give them
a call to check if ya like.
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Matthew O'Neill wrote:

> > CD and tape are rather different. One is read only the other is
> > read/write. Try buying records on the old read-only medium (vinyl) now.
> > Tape will probably suffer the same fate as minidisc takes off.
>
> minidisc will never replace CD, simply because the sound qulity isn't as
> good. minidisc will only ever be a tape replacement

Sorry, but Minidisc is *BETTER* than CD quality-wise. It uses a 48Khz sampling
Frequency compared to the 44.1 of CD's, and a 24-Bit dynamic rannge, compared to
the 16 (Or 20-bit with SuperBitMapping) range of CD's. Copy digitally from a CD
to a Minidisc and you WILL NOT be able to tell the difference. BUT Minidisc is
not really aiming to replace CD's. DVD's intend to replace CD's
(23.3156923076... Hours of music anyone?). Minidisc will replace the Compact
Cassette. Okay?
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Tom Waddington wrote:

> On 26-Aug-99, Ben wrote:
>
> > Eddings. I guess he was great if you had the whole of the Belgariad
> > in one book, but I can't stand the way he drags things out to fill
> > several volumes and ends each book with something like, "Forag
>
> Apparently the publisher made him do that. He wanted to write a
> trilogy but at the time it was too expensive to make books that thick.
> Or something.
>
> He should have stopped after the Belgariad if he had no more ideas.

For a better example of his work, look at the "Elenium" and "Tamuli" Trilogies.
Only 3 books each, and a stonking good read.
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Andrew Crowe wrote:

> Hi Everybody,
>
> >> Press <CTRL>-<ALT>-<DEL> to continue ...
> >
> > Why have you got a PC tagline? Seems a bit daft...
>
>    Actually, If I press ctrl-alt-del on my Amiga, it resets... (I tried it once out of morbid curiosity ;)
>
>    Anyone know which patch installs this bizarre feature? (no I'm *not* using winuae)

I believe MCP and/or MCX set up CTRL-ALT-DEL as a "Fast Reset" Hotkey.. Don't quote me on that, mind.
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Matthew O'Neill wrote:

> Hi Alex
> On 21-Aug-99, you wrote
>
> > Mouse wheels - just what exactly are they for/do they do/are they supposed
> > to do?
>
> Evolution, they are the most intuitive thing you can add to a mouse.
>
> Wheel > cart > car
>
> ameoba > fish > apes > humans

To Amend this...

> mouse > 2nd button > 3rd button > wheel > Second Wheel (On some newer Meece)

Although how good they are is another matter....
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anakha@enterprise.net was probably joking but you can never tell... 
> Matthew O'Neill wrote:
> 
> > > CD and tape are rather different. One is read only the other is
> > > read/write. Try buying records on the old read-only medium (vinyl) now.
> > > Tape will probably suffer the same fate as minidisc takes off.
> >
> > minidisc will never replace CD, simply because the sound qulity isn't as
> > good. minidisc will only ever be a tape replacement
> 
> Sorry, but Minidisc is *BETTER* than CD quality-wise. It uses a 48Khz sampling
> Frequency compared to the 44.1 of CD's, and a 24-Bit dynamic rannge, compared to
> the 16 (Or 20-bit with SuperBitMapping) range of CD's. Copy digitally from a CD
> to a Minidisc and you WILL NOT be able to tell the difference. BUT Minidisc is
> not really aiming to replace CD's. DVD's intend to replace CD's
> (23.3156923076... Hours of music anyone?). Minidisc will replace the Compact
> Cassette. Okay?

Sorry again;) but recording from CD to minidisk will result in
lower quality sound (minidisk IS capable of much more but is
intentionally reduced in quality I think it's some half-assed
anti-piracy measure.)

Noah

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On Tue Aug 31, Gaz Griffiths was heard muttering:

> ALIEN
 
> which stands for

> *A*lien *L*ifeform *I*nvestigation, *E*xtermination, and *N*eutralisation.

How can you have an acronym where the first word /is/ the acronym? It
don't make sense.

> <emanates from crowd> "You're a sad bas*ard!" </emanates from crowd>

You're a sad ba*d (* = star)

> Cya!

Ta ra,

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Someone wrote:

> Freeware source right? means anyone can use it and alter it for there
> OWN needs, of course you dont just re build it and sell it for =A3=A3=A3=
=A3 but
> if you actually alter the source code to work differently its a big
> enough difference to call your own...after all, all coding is partly
> doing this anyway. (I know some people will not agree, but coding
> starts somewhere....)

Something needs to be made clear here. Just because something is
FREEWARE does not mean you can use and abuse it, then re-distribute it
as your own work or otherwise.

There is only one difference between Freeware and  commercial software;
The hole one of them makes in your pocket. All rights remain with the
original author. Freeware *is not* the same as Public Domain; to which
the above quote would apply. . .


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Greetings  Paul 

On 31-Aug-99, you wrote:

> Hello Gaz

>>  When you reboot the Amiga with the Blizzard 1260/50 board, is it
>> supposed to make a weird copperlist rainbow type thing, and THEN
>> boot the machine?

>> Just asking in case my Miggy's about to blow up =]

> This is caused by Oxypatcher. It installs a little patch program as
> the first line in your startup-sequence. When you boot from cold,
> this program presumably installs the patches in memory and then
> reboots to let these patches take effect. I don't know why it does
> the rainbow effect, but I'm fairly sure that's what's causing it.

It's nothing to do with Oxypatcher (though I guess most reset resident
stuff gives a similar thing to let you know they are active. . .), All
the Blizzards' make a pattern of somekind on powerup/reset - so that you 
know the board is working. On my 1230-3 it's a wiggly red line.





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Greetings  Mark 

On 31-Aug-99, you wrote:



>> Hi,
>>   When you reboot the Amiga with the Blizzard 1260/50 board, is it
>> supposed to make a weird copperlist rainbow type thing, and THEN
>> boot the machine?
>> 
>> Just asking in case my Miggy's about to blow up =]
>> Cya!

> Hi There,

> Well I've had mine a couple of years, and it's done it every time I
> reboot and my machines still ok

> But wether or not its supposed to do it is another question.

You start to worry when it stops doing that. . . It just indicates
that the board is functioning. 

> Mark

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Robert Johnston said, 

>> Cable & Wireless won't have the infrastructure in place to handle cable
>> modems (nor will they supply them) until summer or autumn next year... :(

> C&W have already stated that they are rolling out Cable Modems *NOW*. Give
> them a call to check if ya like.

This has already been covered. C&W are installing cable modems now, but
they aren't providing the service yet because the don't have the
infrastructure.

The cable modems are built into the digital TV boxes, so when digital TV
is installed you get a cable modem too, but nothing to connect it to.


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Hi,

Are there any programs anywhere that turn MED (or tracker) modules into sound
samples?

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Hi Tom <tcu-666@ukonline.co.uk>,

On the 30-Aug-99 you muttered something about [afb] Re: 68060 - potential problem if I remember correctly, so I thought I would reply! Nice of me wasn't it?

> Hey I'm feeling generous, give him 2! (Epideme)

Hehehe. Series VII =]

[red dwarf v quote snipped]

> The quote is spot on but I think the episode was Terraform, where Starbug
> starts sinking in the Swamp of Despair :) Anyone spot the Amiga in that
> episode?

BZZZT: It was definitely Holoship. It was just after Rimmer got taken away IIRC.
Terraform was when they were dancing around inside Starbug, and that jet rocket
pants guy didn't even enter the conversation.

And was their an Amiga in there? =]

Still Ontopic =]

Cya d00d
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Hi Gaz,

>BZZZT: It was definitely Holoship. It was just after Rimmer got taken away
IIRC.
>Terraform was when they were dancing around inside Starbug, and that jet
rocket
>pants guy didn't even enter the conversation.


I'll have to give in, my VCR ate Terraform and I can't find holoship :(

>And was their an Amiga in there? =]


Near the start when Lister and the cat are typing to each other, they're
using an Amiga keyboard.


"There's a taranshula (sic) about to set up home in my joy department"

>Still Ontopic =]


Yup (Just :)

Cheers
Tom

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Hi Peter <pwesson@pwesson.cix.co.uk>,

On the 31-Aug-99 you muttered something about Re: [afb] 68060 inside! if I remember correctly, so I thought I would reply! Nice of me wasn't it?

> On 31-Aug-91, Gaz Griffiths wrote:
>          ^^
> 
> 
>> Hi,
>>   I'm finally '060-powered! Wahey!
> 
>> Just the problem is that it seems slower than my 030/50!
> 
> The clock's knackered too :-)

Nah, its OK. I just forgot to alter the year. For some reason, TimePrefs comes
up auto-matically now if the time is dodgy. And I'm not even using TimeSwipe or
anything.

Its fixed now.

> 

Cya d00d
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----- Original Message -----
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To: <afb@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 1:58 PM
Subject: [afb] Re: 68060 again =]


> Hi Eddie <eddie@maddock.prestel.co.uk>,
>
> On the 31-Aug-99 you muttered something about [afb] Re: 68060 again =] if
I remember correctly, so I thought I would reply! Nice of me wasn't it?
>
> > Er - I haven't played Frontier for a while. Well not since I got my
> > Blizzard 060 last year anyway. So I've just put the floppy in df0 and
> > rebooted ... and it seems to work fine. (in fact it's been so long
> > since I played it, I'm going to have to relearn all the controls, but
> > from what I've tried so far,  the 060 seems quite happy with it)
>
> I'm running it from HD, Workbench. NO matter tho, I got a program called
> EmbedderII which is an Appicon that degrades your system and runs the file
once
> you drag it over. It works now, the only thing is I don't get the luvverly
060
> speed increase ;)
>
> And is it just me, or are those 060optimised libs in V not optimised at
all ? I
> couldn't notice any differnce!

Errrrm, Gaz,  You did remember to install the 060 library didn`t you?

----- Original Message -----
From: Gaz Griffiths <gaz@jokerd.freeserve.co.uk>
To: <afb@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 4:09 PM
Subject: [afb] Re: 68060 - potential problem


> Hi Paul <pwill@serapis.freeserve.co.uk>,
>
> > Unless of course you aren't actually running Oxypatcher on your system,
> > in which case it must be something completely different. Obviously.
>
> Well yes, I am running OxyPatcher. But it can't possibly be that, because
it
> does it when I turn the computer on (i.e. at the PSU) even when the patch
can
> not possibly still be in memory!
>
> It also did it when I first installed it, before I put OxyPatcher on the
system.
>
> BTW, which is better, OxyPatcher or CyberPatcher? I got CyberPatcher with
the
> card.

OxyPatcher is the best!

----- Original Message -----
From: <MARRISR@uk.ibm.com>
To: <afb@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 4:47 PM
Subject: [afb] Re: Check Gazy's new site


>
>
> >  I've got to say that I'm finding all this bitching a little more than
> > tedious.  I'm sure I can't be the only one!
>
> No Chris, you aint.  Can we drop this now or what?  If Gaz has done
> anything illegal I'm sure he's been exposed now - if he hasn't and he's
> just a t*at then nobody's going to bother with him in future - and if he's
> done nothing this is just nasty!

So stealing software is nothing huh?  It`s all there for all to see!  Use a
hex editor and see for yourself!  He has made a piss poor effort at trying
to clear his name and I personally believe that just getting a slagging off
on here instead of prosecution is not enough!  Unlike the rest of you I am
not afraid to speak my mind!  BTW Matt Sealey,  I liked you`re comments in
an earlier mail... Glad to see you ain`t lost you`re touch ;).  Ben if you
dare to me to kill this thread, I will come to bath and shave that damn
beard of yours off ;).

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Danny Shepherd <danny@gespatcho.u-net.com>
To: AFB <afb@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 8:06 PM
Subject: [afb] Re: Gareth Murfin - My Conclusions


> Hello All,
> 
> On 31-Aug-99, Ben Vost wrote:
> 
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> I'd like to change the world, 
> but they won't give me the source code.
> 
> Nothing to stop someone using a hex-ed and then re releasing it though :)

Hahahahahaaahahahahahaahahhahahaahahahahahahahahaha,  ROTFLMFHO!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Andy Mills <Andy@wharne.u-net.com>
To: <afb@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 8:55 PM
Subject: [afb] Re: Check Gazy's new site

[SNIP]

> >> He's forgot a trailing </table> somewhere, Netscape's blank. Fluent in
> >> HTML, I think not.
> 
> >  I've got to say that I'm finding all this bitching a little more than
> >tedious.  I'm sure I can't be the only one!
> 
> No you're not...
> 
> It's got to the point now where the `proper' discussion on this topic
> has come to an end and the needless piss-taking has started. Whether or
> not Mr. Murfin is guilty as charged, people here should not lower their
> standards by carrying out such actions.

in the immortal words of Vic reeves and Bob Mortimer 

OooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooh

----- Original Message -----
From: Neil Bullock <tsoft@tsoft.screaming.net>
To: <afb@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 9:08 PM
Subject: [afb] Re: Reader Warrant


> > Which I suppose makes it even more important that we investigated
> > Gaz`s actions.
>
> I very much doubt that Amiga would sue for the Version copyright breach
since
> they probably realise that AF is currently the only standing Amiga mag
(not
> for long). I don't suppose many others would sue AF either for the same
> reason. Of course, surely the reader warrant means that (provided you have
the
> funds) you could sue the person who caused AF to get sued couldn't you?

It`s not AF that they should be suing,  It`s Mr. Muppet!  That f*&k`*ng
little W*n^er has a lot to answer for! It is he who deserves the full
penalty of law!

----- Original Message -----
From: Noah Landers <n.landers@ukonline.co.uk>
To: <afb@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 7:36 PM
Subject: [afb] Re: UFO/X-Com


> gaz@jokerd.freeserve.co.uk was probably joking but you can never tell...
> > Hi,
> >    Why call it X-Com? I just thought of a brilliant and apt acronym.
> >
> > ALIEN
> >
> > which stands for
> >
> > *A*lien *L*ifeform *I*nvestigation, *E*xtermination, and
*N*eutralisation.
> >
> > Go ahead, you can say it..
> >
> > <emanates from crowd> "You're a sad bas*ard!" </emanates from crowd>
> > Cya!
>
> I'll spsre ou the sad bastard if you (or anyone) can tell me how to
> run UFO on a 1200/PPC/BVision;-)
> or for that matter GS2000 and several others that seem to sulk when
> they hit the BPPC's rom (pre loading 68040/060/PPC libraries the
> bastards:-(

Pardon?

Greetings  Stephen 

On 31-Aug-99, you wrote:

> Hi there,

>> I still have a problem with my Power Tower though and I'm 
>> wondering if anyone out there has had the same.. basically my 
>> hard drive LED only works when df0: operates... Otherwise I 
>> can't tell when the hard drive is working as it runs quite 
>> silently. I wondered if the small black connector on the not 
>> quite so small pcb might be plugged in the wrong way round. 
>> Everything looks OK - but then, looks can be deceiving :o)

> Well I cut the line that connects the HD and floppy lights
> "together" like it tells you in the manual. Changing the
> way round of the connector wouldn't work.. would it?

Just changing the way round for the connector (if you mean swapping
+-) wouldn't do anything apart from stop the LED working altogether.

If the HD LED is lighting up when DF0: is accessed, the connector from
the LED is obviously on the wrong header. . .

I should have one in my possesion soon, so I'll have a better idea of
what could be amiss.

If you install excutive, there's an included proglet which put a drive
light on your workbench, if it bothers you that much :)

I've had no LEDs on my system for a year or more 8)


> Bfn,

> Stephen. 
Regards

Andy
-- 
<andy.k2@ukonline.co.uk><http://esox.cjb.net>
*FUBAR*@http://www.rosande.nu
/PGP Key available on request/

It is better to have tried and failed than to have failed to try, but
the result's the same.
-- Mike Dennison

Hi Tom <tcu-666@ukonline.co.uk>,

On the 30-Aug-99 you muttered something about [afb] Re: 68060 - potential problem if I remember correctly, so I thought I would reply! Nice of me wasn't it?

> Near the start when Lister and the cat are typing to each other, they're
> using an Amiga keyboard.
> 
> 
> "There's a taranshula (sic) about to set up home in my joy department"

Oh yeah, I remember. Sh*tty AMOS program wasn't it (i could tell byt he font ;)

> Daft Headline #2:
> Police Begin Campaign to Run Down Jaywalkers

Does this ever change =]

Cya d00d
GazChap.
-- 
<tsb>*Gareth Griffiths*: gaz@jokerd.freeserve.co.uk
<tsb>Founder of *Joker Developments*: http://www.jokerd.freeserve.co.uk
<tsb>*ICQ*: 31023012    *IRC*: GazChap/#AmIRC (Undernet)
<tsb>
<tsb>Barney makes Mr. Rogers look macho!

Hi Everybody,

   Gareth Murfin's given me some more to post to the list

Also, he says that he doesn't post stuff to the AFB list himself because:=


   "i find it pretty slow and tedious to navigate - and when i
do i just see pages of abuse anyway"



   Well, I think it's hard to say who is right and who is wrong here, so =
the lesser of two evils may be to just let all this lie now. We've heard =
both sides of the argument, so now you can judge him how you wish, anymor=
e descusion will probably only be wasting bandwidth with things we've alr=
eady heard...


<sb>

forgot about 'joymouse'..

Joymouse was written by me, popular to contrary beleif.. Way back when I =
first got on IRC I used
to know a bloke called 'goddy' who was writing a similar program to me.. =
He released it and passed
the src on to me.. he made v1 of his then called fakemouse.. then he rele=
ased v1.1 changed to
joymouse. He said development was over for the program and anyone wishing=
 to suggest improvements
was out of look... So I mailed him and asked for the src to recompile, he=
 had since moved to the
pc so he said yeh and he was glad it was seeing a new lease of life.. I b=
asically compiled for 040+
and released it.. TRUE I never creditted him in the docs, and again im so=
rry for that.. but he
actually never asked to be creditted.. I compiled the src he sent me!.. s=
o again maybe he should
have been given more credit than he was - but i still never stole his wor=
k as such..



since i seem to have to continually justify myself to the AFB list even A=
FTER I have issued a
statement then I have decided i will no longer contribute to Amiga Format=
 magazine, why? Because
the staff should have put and end to this, and beleived me.. I got neithe=
r so I'm afraid I can't
contribute anymore.. As for amiga developments, I will keep updating the =
programs I'm interested
in and if I feel the need to make anymore I will.. but I certainly wont b=
e looking for support
through the backstabbers on the AFB list..

Its a sad day when an active developer can be stabbed in the back by a wh=
ole group of people each
with tiny snippets of information that prove nothing... if you had asked =
me about this I would
have disproved them all via email.. I have done wrong in not giving more =
credit i suppose.. but
really all the src i have compiled belonged to me, and i actually have cr=
editted the original
author in 98% of the cases..

Read both my statements and you'll see all of this so called evidence is =
not how it has been
made to look by the selective few who started the whole thing.. Only idio=
ts would beleive without
getting my side of the story..

thanks for nothing AFB.. and i really expected Amiga Format magazine to b=
e more responsible than
this..

Gaz..

thanks again to andrew crowe for uploading this..

<sb>

   Well, thats it, go home folks, nothing to see here.

See ya :)
-- =

       Manta Soft  -  Amiga programing & web page designing
     Http://members.tripod.com/~mantasoft/      ICQ: 21829166        =

 Homepage updated 5/8/99 --- James Bond on GFX Card & CPU players!
  - ------------------- Quote of the day: -------------------- -
"Bother," said Pooh, as the evil emperor showed him the power of the dark=
 side.

Hi Everybody,
>> technically, but if you made an 060 optimised program to count from 1 =
to
>> 1,000,000 then oxypatcher would speed it up
> =

> ok...
> =

>        move.l    #999999,d1
>        move.l    #1,d0
> .loop
>        addq.l    #1,d0
>        dbf        d1,.loop
> =

> =

> What, exactly, would it do to that?

Nothing:

   Ok peeps, afaik, Oxypatcher does this:

To make 040's and 060's faster and cheaper, some instructions were left o=
ff it. This /would/ stop software that uses those instructions from worki=
ng, except when the processor hits a bad instruction, it passes it to the=
 operating system which then emulates that instruction, usually with the =
040/060.library.

   This means that everytime a bad instruction is hit, the computer must =
stop and interpret this instruction, like an interpreting emulator (PC-Ta=
sk with dynamic emulation turned off). This is slow.

      Oxypatcher catches this bad instruction, but insted of just emulati=
ng it, it actually writes this new instruction into memory, so that next =
time the CPU hits that bit of code it'll already be the right code, thus =
the computer caries on. (a bit like PC-Task with dynamic emulation on)



   Thus, if there is no non-040/060 code in a program, then Oxypatcher wo=
n't do anything at all.

See ya :)
-- =

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     Http://members.tripod.com/~mantasoft/      ICQ: 21829166        =

 Homepage updated 5/8/99 --- James Bond on GFX Card & CPU players!
  - ------------------- Quote of the day: -------------------- -
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rse .

Hello Robert,

On 30-Aug-99, you wrote:

> Sorry, but Minidisc is *BETTER* than CD quality-wise. It uses a 48Khz
> sampling Frequency compared to the 44.1 of CD's, and a 24-Bit dynamic
> rannge, compared to the 16 (Or 20-bit with SuperBitMapping) range of

Not entirely true. The dynamic range is really 24 bit, but as the output
frequency is 44kHz I would suspect that the recording frequency is also
44kHz. ATRAC v4 (compression system of MD) has an inbuilt frequence
converter, so your source can go up to 48kHz. Maybe newer models have a
better system and you're right.
If you record from a very good analoug source with very
good A/D then you can get better results than audio CDs due to the
better dynamic range.

> CD's. Copy digitally from a CD to a Minidisc and you WILL NOT be able
> to tell the difference. 

Not true. Your source is 16bit and has a limited dynamic range. But it
is still being compressed (lossy), and there is a (very slight)
difference. It is true that you won't hear a difference because the
compression system is so good, but technically the signal has been
"degraded".

On my setup you can hear the difference, but that's because my Pioneer
CD Player with Legato Link S sounds soo good, and I have the cheapest
Sony MD recorder (Its AD/DA system is not that good). But it sounds as
good as CD players for the same price.

> BUT Minidisc is not really aiming to replace CD's. 

I never quite understood where people would get that idea from. "You
have MD? But there aren't as many records as on CD! MD must be a flop."


Regards
-- 
Oliver Esberger - mailto:oliver@websale.de

Hi Everybody,

> Are there any programs anywhere that turn MED (or tracker) modules into=
 sound
> samples?

   Octamed Sound Studio.

I think its freeware now:

'This CU Amiga release remains fully copyrighted to RBF Software.
It is not to be further distributed in any format until after Dec 1998
it can then be treated as Freeware, (Full copyright retained) and may
then be placed onto Internet or BBS sites and re-sold for a maximum of
=A31.00 by PD suppliers etc, (if you pay more than this, let us know!).'

(said the CU demo...)
 =

See ya :)
-- =

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 Homepage updated 5/8/99 --- James Bond on GFX Card & CPU players!
  - ------------------- Quote of the day: -------------------- -
Politicians should read science fiction, not westerns and detective
stories.
-- Arthur C. Clarke

Hello Noah,

On 01-Sep-99, you wrote:

>> Sorry, but Minidisc is *BETTER* than CD quality-wise. It uses a 48Khz
>> sampling Frequency compared to the 44.1 of CD's, and a 24-Bit dynamic
>> rannge, compared to the 16 (Or 20-bit with SuperBitMapping) range of
>> CD's. Copy digitally from a CD to a Minidisc and you WILL NOT be able
>> to tell the difference. BUT Minidisc is not really aiming to replace
>> CD's. DVD's intend to replace CD's (23.3156923076... Hours of music
>> anyone?). Minidisc will replace the Compact Cassette. Okay?
> 
> Sorry again;) but recording from CD to minidisk will result in
> lower quality sound (minidisk IS capable of much more but is
> intentionally reduced in quality I think it's some half-assed
> anti-piracy measure.)

I don't think it is a anti piracy measure. Think about it. When you copy
something, it can only be as good as the original, when
copied digitally, then it is exactly the same as the original. But MD
has only one fifth of storage compared to a CD, so compression kicks in.
And it is lossy compression. In fact I think they tried pretty hard to
make ATRAC that good. Have you heard the first MD recorders? There you
could quite easily spot the difference (OK, when you knew "where" to
hear for them ;)  But now? Impossible (nearly)!

Regards
-- 
Oliver Esberger - mailto:oliver@websale.de

On Tue, 31 Aug 1999 22:28:36 +0000, Andrew Crowe wibbled...

Gaz's Statement II - The Sequel...

> since i seem to have to continually justify myself to the AFB list even AFTER I have issued a
> statement then I have decided i will no longer contribute to Amiga Format magazine, why? Because
> the staff should have put and end to this, and beleived me.. I got neither so I'm afraid I can't
> contribute anymore.. 

So, let me get this straight; you sent in some contributions to AF, which I
presume that they paid you for, yes? How does this mean that the AF
staff owe you something in protection?

It's probably best that the AF staff did keep out of it (in the main); if
our allegations had proved to be wrong, and the AF staff had gone along
with them, it could have made the magazine look bad.


-- 
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Hello d.mcminn@eee.rgu.ac.uk

On 31-Aug-99, you wrote:

>> http://welcome.to/alpha-software
> 
> He's forgot a trailing </table> somewhere, Netscape's blank. Fluent in
> HTML, I think not.
> 
If we all visit his site he's going to add to his CV that his site had x
million hits because of his programming brilliance.
 
Regards
-- 
Roger

Amiga 1200, Viper 68030 Mk V Accel with 50Mhz FPU and 8 MBFast, Seagate
410MB 2.5" internal HD and 800MB SCSI HD in a midi tower with 4xCDRom. 56k
Modem, Power Port Junr Serial IF and Citizen Swift Printer.

Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most times he will
pick himself up and carry on...
-- Winston Churchill

Hello Robert

On 29-Aug-99, Robert Johnston wrote:
> Matthew Garrett wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, Aug 17, 1999 at 11:27:22AM -0700, Brian@gyles.demon.co.uk wrote:
>> 
>>> A510 was the amiga modulator (not 100% sure could have been the ram
>>> pack)
>> 
>> Nope - that was the A520. The memory board was the A501.
>> 
> 
> BZZZZT: The A520 was the CD-ROM drive for the A500

BZZZT: Wrong. The A570 was the CD ROM drive for the A500/500plus, I still have
one of these and it still works :). iirc the A520 was the TV modulator for
the A500/500plus. 

While looking through my old A500 manual I found a compliments slip inside
used as a bookmark. 

            Amiga Format
              presents
        The World of Commodore 
          17-21 November 1991

Just thought I'd share that with you all. :)


-- 
Best Regards, Richard Lane - magnum@ukonline.co.uk
--

Hello Robert

On 29-Aug-99, Robert Johnston wrote:

>> minidisc will never replace CD, simply because the sound qulity isn't as
>> good. minidisc will only ever be a tape replacement
> 
> Sorry, but Minidisc is *BETTER* than CD quality-wise. It uses a 48Khz
> sampling Frequency compared to the 44.1 of CD's, and a 24-Bit dynamic
> rannge, compared to the 16 (Or 20-bit with SuperBitMapping) range of CD's.

You're missing one vital ingredient. Mindisc also uses lossy compression. So
no matter what it'll never be as good as the original.

> Copy digitally from a CD to a Minidisc and you WILL NOT be able to tell the
> difference.

It's a digital signal we're talking about right? which is not the same as a
digital clone of the CD. 

On your average run-of-the-mill Hi-Fi bought for a few hundred quid maybe not.
Listen on a real Hi-Fi however and you can tell the difference. 

> BUT Minidisc is not really aiming to replace CD's. DVD's intend
> to replace CD's (23.3156923076... Hours of music anyone?).

> Minidisc will replace the Compact Cassette. Okay?

Yay thank goodness for that the cassette is a crap format anyway. 

-- 
Best Regards, Richard Lane - magnum@ukonline.co.uk
--

hawkeye@polarisx.freeserve.co.uk was probably joking but you can never tell... > 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Noah Landers <n.landers@ukonline.co.uk>
> To: <afb@egroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 7:36 PM
> Subject: [afb] Re: UFO/X-Com
> 
> 
> > gaz@jokerd.freeserve.co.uk was probably joking but you can never tell...
> > > Hi,
> > >    Why call it X-Com? I just thought of a brilliant and apt acronym.
> > >
> > > ALIEN
> > >
> > > which stands for
> > >
> > > *A*lien *L*ifeform *I*nvestigation, *E*xtermination, and
> *N*eutralisation.
> > >
> > > Go ahead, you can say it..
> > >
> > > <emanates from crowd> "You're a sad bas*ard!" </emanates from crowd>
> > > Cya!
> >
> > I'll spsre ou the sad bastard if you (or anyone) can tell me how to
> > run UFO on a 1200/PPC/BVision;-)
> > or for that matter GS2000 and several others that seem to sulk when
> > they hit the BPPC's rom (pre loading 68040/060/PPC libraries the
> > bastards:-(
> 
> Pardon?

sorry if I was a bit (lot) unclear, but everytime I try to run UFO I
get the same message from geoscape (can't allocate screen buffer) and
I can't find a way around it (and I really like that game;-(
and when I run Gunship 2000 it works sort of ok till the mission
start screen (where you enter the copy protection code) but it then
goes straight to the mission failed you're dead screen:-( I know that
this problem can be fixed on a 68040 by choosing boot without startup
(avoiding 680x0 libraries and setpatch) but the PPC board stores those
libraries in the rom and I don't know how to make the funkers go
away:-(

Please, if anyone knows some magic trick (anything up to human
sacrifice (I really like GS2000;-) to get around this I will be very
greatful.

Noah (hopefully a little clearer)


-- 
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Warning! Friend Citizen You MUST xxxxx whenever you xxxxxxx. Failure
to do so will result in immediate xxxxxxx.(edited for RED clearance)
 The Computer is your Friend, Serve the Computer.:-) 
A1200T o6o 603e/200 64mb 4xCDRom 40xCDRom 2.1GB BVisionPPC

Hello Richard,

On 01-Sep-99, you wrote:

> On your average run-of-the-mill Hi-Fi bought for a few hundred quid
> maybe not. Listen on a real Hi-Fi however and you can tell the
> difference.

I have a pretty good hifi, the cheapest thing in my hifi is the MD
recorder :) and you can hear it! But a friend of mine has one of those
more expensive MD recorders from Sony, and they sound just great. No
real Hifi addict will admit it, but they are as good (or as bad) as
comparably priced CD players.

Regards
-- 
Oliver Esberger - mailto:oliver@websale.de

magnum@ukonline.co.uk was probably joking but you can never tell... 

> Hello Robert
> 
> On 29-Aug-99, Robert Johnston wrote:
> > Matthew Garrett wrote:
> > 
> >> On Tue, Aug 17, 1999 at 11:27:22AM -0700, Brian@gyles.demon.co.uk wrote:
> >> 
> >>> A510 was the amiga modulator (not 100% sure could have been the ram
> >>> pack)
> >> 
> >> Nope - that was the A520. The memory board was the A501.
> >> 
> > 
> > BZZZZT: The A520 was the CD-ROM drive for the A500
> 
> BZZZT: Wrong. The A570 was the CD ROM drive for the A500/500plus, I still have
> one of these and it still works :). iirc the A520 was the TV modulator for
> the A500/500plus. 


Correctamundo:) the A500 sitting next to my A1200 has a little box
pluged in the back and on it it says C=Commodore Amiga520  


> While looking through my old A500 manual I found a compliments slip inside
> used as a bookmark. 
> 
>             Amiga Format
>               presents
>         The World of Commodore 
>           17-21 November 1991
> 
> Just thought I'd share that with you all. :)

Ta, ;-)
Just out of interest who here was the last to come to Amiga's? (not
the first 'cos half the people here have been using Amiga's since
1885;)

Noah (unaccountably pleased with himself:)
-- 
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Warning! Friend Citizen You MUST xxxxx whenever you xxxxxxx. Failure
to do so will result in immediate xxxxxxx.(edited for RED clearance)
 The Computer is your Friend, Serve the Computer.:-) 
A1200T o6o 603e/200 64mb 4xCDRom 40xCDRom 2.1GB BVisionPPC

Hi Ph.D.,

> The problem is that if you boot from the Install3.1 disk (from DF0:)
> the system crash because the 68040 and 68060 apparently do not like
> the "setpatch" version 40.16, that it's located in the Install3.1
> C: directory.

    It worked with my 040... sorta but I changed it anywayz and my system=

seems a little less flaky now :)

    I'm using setpatch V43.6 from the MetaView distribution on AFCD35 is
this the best one to use on an 040?


*Other recent flaky miggy syndrome fixes on my system are :*

#    V=B3P2 fell over alot today until I removed executive from WBStartup=
#
##
#    Pinball Fantasies from Ian's site guru'd till I put 'cpu nocache' b4=

'pinball' in the startup script :) kewl thanx Ian I was waiting for someo=
ne
to do a CD=B3=B2 version installer as I have the original but my CD=B3=B2=
 died and
I was having withdrawal problems ;). Oh! I stuck 'cpu cache' after to fix=

the system after playing as well:)#

*I thought I just mention them I case anyones having the same probs:)*

 =

Catch ya l8ta
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Hi Andy,
> Hello Richard Lane, on 31-Aug-99 15:17:50 you said about:
>  [afb] Re: AFB-OT 
> 
> [snip]
> 
>> When you don't get any positive feedback over something you've worked
>> hard on it can be very diss-heartning. However, considering there over

    I'm not that bothered it was a mere doodle of a script the point I was
making is there were no serious replies, just jokes and I thought this was
an Amiga help/discussion ML not a up'n comin' comedian's practise ML.  It
sorta puts you off posting serious questions/solutions to this list. 

> There's one over on Onelist (http://www.onelist.com). Pop along to the
> Onelist website and do a search for `arexx' or send a mail to
> arexx-subscribe@onelist.com to subscribe, normal messages are sent to
> arexx@onelist.com

    I'm already subscribed to that ML, it's a bit quiet thou :( the mail
should have really gone to the YAM ML but I'm no longer subscribed as that
ML was constantly OT too :(
 
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Hello Andrew

On 31-Aug-99, you wrote:

> Hi Everybody,
> 
>   Gareth Murfin's given me some more to post to the list
> 
> Also, he says that he doesn't post stuff to the AFB list himself because:
> 
>   "i find it pretty slow and tedious to navigate - and when i
> do i just see pages of abuse anyway"

Sounds like some of his software that I have tried :-(
> 
> 
> 
>   Well, I think it's hard to say who is right and who is wrong here, so
> the lesser of two evils may be to just let all this lie now. We've heard
> both sides of the argument, so now you can judge him how you wish, anymore
> descusion will probably only be wasting bandwidth with things we've
> already heard...

Yeah! I think quite a few of us would like this to end now!
> 
> 
<sb>
> 
> forgot about 'joymouse'..
> 
> Joymouse was written by me, popular to contrary beleif.. Way back when I
> first got on IRC I used to know a bloke called 'goddy' who was writing a
> similar program to me.. He released it and passed the src on to me.. he
> made v1 of his then called fakemouse.. then he released v1.1 changed to
> joymouse. He said development was over for the program and anyone wishing
> to suggest improvements was out of look... So I mailed him and asked for
> the src to recompile, he had since moved to the pc so he said yeh and he
> was glad it was seeing a new lease of life.. I basically compiled for 040+
> and released it.. TRUE I never creditted him in the docs, and again im
> sorry for that.. but he actually never asked to be creditted.. I compiled
> the src he sent me!.. so again maybe he should have been given more credit
> than he was - but i still never stole his work as such..
> 
> 
> 
> since i seem to have to continually justify myself to the AFB list even
> AFTER I have issued a statement then I have decided i will no longer
> contribute to Amiga Format magazine, why? Because the staff should have
> put and end to this, and beleived me.. I got neither so I'm afraid I can't
> contribute anymore.. As for amiga developments, I will keep updating the
> programs I'm interested in and if I feel the need to make anymore I will..
> but I certainly wont be looking for support through the backstabbers on
> the AFB list..

Why the hell is he blaming the Amiga format Magazine? Ben has never
expressed  bad any opinion on him? So why should he expect Backing from the
Mag?
> 
> Its a sad day when an active developer can be stabbed in the back by a
> whole group of people each with tiny snippets of information that prove
> nothing...# if you had asked me about this I would have disproved them all#
> via email.. I have done wrong in not giving more credit i suppose.. but
> really all the src i have compiled belonged to me, and i actually have
> creditted the original author in 98% of the cases..

Bluddy Hell! I am sick of reading emails From people on this list, Asking him
for his response, And now he says we should have asked him!
> 
> Read both my statements and you'll see all of this so called evidence is
> not how it has been made to look by the selective few who started the
> whole thing.. Only idiots would beleive without getting my side of the
> story..
> 
> thanks for nothing AFB.. and i really expected Amiga Format magazine to be
> more responsible than this..
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Hi Noah,=20

> > If only I could justify spending =A3600 on a PPC I could
> > be proud of=2E But I can't=2E So I'm waiting for the BoXeR=2E
> > Which will kick your stinky '060 into the dust :)
=20
> Don't try to justify it, do what I did and let Visa take care of it
> for you:-)

> Noah (hoping for the end of the world before my next credit card bill=2E
> Yay Nostradamus;-)

Bloody Nostradamus=2E Why can't he be right just once ? I've had loads
of Visa bills, many because of my Amiga, and I've had to pay every
last soddin' one of them !

Curse you Nostradamus, you're a fraud and a charlatan !

Cheers,

Eddie=2E

From   : Robert Johnston <anakha@enterprise.net>
Date   : 30-Aug-99
Subject: [afb] Re: The A1010 isn't far off then ...

Hello Robert,

> Matthew Garrett wrote:

>> On Tue, Aug 17, 1999 at 11:27:22AM -0700, Brian@gyles.demon.co.uk wrote:
>> 
>>> A510 was the amiga modulator (not 100% sure could have been the ram
>>> pack)
>> 
>> Nope - that was the A520. The memory board was the A501.
>> 

> BZZZZT: The A520 was the CD-ROM drive for the A500

Actually, the A520 was the RF Modulator for the A500, the CD was the A570
and the HD was the A590.

>> 
>>> A1010 was the old amiga 3.5" Disk Drive
>> 
>> Yup.
>> 

Correct..

Regards
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Hello Steven
     Hiya, Steven... ,on 31-Aug-99 you mailed me about: [afb] Re: Gareth Murfin - My Conclusions! So I`ma reply`in...

> Actually, I recall Mark Sibly released an Editor for gloom so you

Oooooooooh so thats how Gloom3 came about... RIGHT!.. I see now.

> could create your own levels/gfx. It seemed to me that all "Gaz" did
> was use said editor, and distrubuted the Gloom2/Deluxe exe with it.

> Steve was given the code to Blitz/Ted to update - which he signed a
> deal with Guildhall to do. However, they weren't to forthcoming with
> reagrds to paying either Steve Matty for TED/Blitz updated, or to
> Steve McNamara/Steve Matty for the BSS royalties. 

ERm, which steven are you? 
Steven Innell?

Geez there were a lot of steve`s with RWE ;)

> They were also responsible for our game BlitzBombers not actually
> being released commerically (both Amiga and PC versions were

Got released as freeware in the end didn`t it?

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Hello Andrew
     Hiya, Andrew... ,on 31-Aug-99 you mailed me about: [afb] More from Gareth M! So I`ma reply`in...

> Hi Everybody,

SORRY SORRY SORRY!... I said it`s probably a good time to shut up
and cut the thread, I`ve even stopped writing on the topic,
but I`m afraid I have to reply to this... ;)

> forgot about 'joymouse'..
> 
> Joymouse was written by me, popular to contrary beleif.. Way back when I
> first got on IRC I used to know a bloke called 'goddy' who was writing a
> similar program to me.. He released it and passed the src on to me.. he
> made v1 of his then called fakemouse.. then he released v1.1 changed to
> joymouse. He said development was over for the program and anyone wishing
> to suggest improvements was out of look... So I mailed him and asked for
> the src to recompile, he had since moved to the pc so he said yeh and he
> was glad it was seeing a new lease of life.. I basically compiled for 040+
> and released it.. TRUE I never creditted him in the docs, and again im
> sorry for that.. but he actually never asked to be creditted.. I compiled
> the src he sent me!.. so again maybe he should have been given more credit
> than he was - but i still never stole his work as such..

Hold on a sec, would an 040 optimised version of a program be smaller/larger
than an 68000 version? I`m pretty certain it would. So chances are he`s lied
here too.

> since i seem to have to continually justify myself to the AFB list even
> AFTER I have issued a statement then I have decided i will no longer

You wouldn`t have to justify your self if you didn`t keep conniving and
lying. And dont say you haven`t because your doing it now.

> contribute to Amiga Format magazine, why? Because the staff should have
> put and end to this, and beleived me.. I got neither so I'm afraid I can't

OOOOOH NOOO! You can't blame it on Ben (which is what you`ve just done),
as everyone has said, this is the MOST on topic thread we`ve seen on
here for ages, and we are just trying to get to the bottom of it all.
Why should be have nipped this thread in the bud ay, if you`ve got nothing
to hide?
(though there is/was a bit of slagging going on, but you`ve got to expect
that because we have nothing else we can do to repay you for what you
have done to others..)

> contribute anymore.. As for amiga developments, I will keep updating the

Sorry, but this is no great loss! Anyone on this list could do a reader
review and know more about what they are talking about than you!
And as for /your programs/ on the CD, I hope you dont get anymore
on there, as we have seen, they /could/ be a threat to the magazine!

> programs I'm interested in and if I feel the need to make anymore I will..
> but I certainly wont be looking for support through the backstabbers on
> the AFB list..

Oh shut up!,.. I`m sick of this "oh your stabbing me in the back", 
"your driving away a developer", "your accusations are wrong"
BOLLOX! NOONE here has stabbed you in the back, we dont owe you
anything (esspecially not for your /contributions/ to the amiga
scene!) if you hadn`t done anything wrong in the first place the 
thread wouldn`t have even started.

> Its a sad day when an active developer can be stabbed in the back by a

SHUT YOUR FACE and LISTEN to yourself for a second.

> whole group of people each with tiny snippets of information that prove
> nothing... if you had asked me about this I would have disproved them all

Really,.. prove nothing ay?
So you`ve changed your mind that you ripped of Version then?
And what about SetPatch97, you said nothing about that..

Surely not another creation from /hand of hex/.

> via email.. I have done wrong in not giving more credit i suppose.. but
> really all the src i have compiled belonged to me, and i actually have
> creditted the original author in 98% of the cases..

Yout mean you would have lied thru your teeth? Yeah thats
more like it.

> Read both my statements and you'll see all of this so called evidence is
> not how it has been made to look by the selective few who started the
> whole thing.. Only idiots would beleive without getting my side of the
> story..

Right, I`m going to prove it once and for all.. I`m sorry this has gone
on way to far enough, and your twisting the truth now.

> thanks for nothing AFB.. and i really expected Amiga Format magazine to be
> more responsible than this..

Y*9 f*"k&^ sh^% %*!r FACE! Grrrrrrrrr...
It`s got nothing to do with them, this is a topical debate.
Ben has done right and kept our of it.

I`m sorry but this really does go to show how shallow this guy is!

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> > >  I've got to say that I'm finding all this bitching a little more
than
> > > tedious.  I'm sure I can't be the only one!
> >
> > No Chris, you aint.  Can we drop this now or what?  If Gaz has done
> > anything illegal I'm sure he's been exposed now - if he hasn't and he's
> > just a t*at then nobody's going to bother with him in future - and if
he's
> > done nothing this is just nasty!

> So stealing software is nothing huh?  It`s all there for all to see!  Use
a
> hex editor and see for yourself!  He has made a piss poor effort at
trying
> to clear his name and I personally believe that just getting a slagging
off
> on here instead of prosecution is not enough!  Unlike the rest of you I
am
> not afraid to speak my mind!  BTW Matt Sealey,  I liked you`re comments
in

I'm not affraid to speak my mind either - and it's saying "Shut up with all
this childish shit" (my mind never was good with words...)
If this carries on much longer I'm gonna have to un-sub from the list - I
got hundreds of mails over the weekend, almost entirely Gaz Murfin related,
which I don't give a toss about and don't have time to read!

RobM

=20
> > > > /me in jealous mode :)
> > >=20
> > > Why, what u got? =3D]]
> >=20
> > 68030 40Mhz :(
> >=20
> > If only I could justify spending =A3600 on a PPC I could
> > be proud of. But I can't. So I'm waiting for the BoXeR.
> > Which will kick your stinky '060 into the dust :)
>=20
> Don't try to justify it, do what I did and let Visa take care of it
> for you:-)

I'm not one for being in debt, and by the time I'd have
paid off that =A3600 it would be more like =A31000. A bit
of wastage there, methinks?

--=20
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk=20
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

> Hi,
> 
> Are there any programs anywhere that turn MED (or tracker) 
> modules into sound samples?

Octamed Soundstudio at http://www.octamed.co.uk (somewhere :)

Good look navigating the AWFUL site, but it's in there for
definite.

> Hi Everybody,
> 
>    Gareth Murfin's given me some more to post to the list
> 
> Also, he says that he doesn't post stuff to the AFB list 
> himself because:
> 
>    "i find it pretty slow and tedious to navigate - and when i
> do i just see pages of abuse anyway"

If he can't be bothered, he shouldn't.
  
> forgot about 'joymouse'..
> 
> Joymouse was written by me, popular to contrary beleif..

[snip]

> So I mailed him and asked for the src to recompile,[snip]
> so he said yeh and he was glad it was seeing a new lease 
> of life.. I basically compiled for 040+ and released it..

Joymouse was written by Gareth Murfin, by virtue of an
optimised recompile? Since when does typing 'make joymouse.c'
constitute a rewrite?

And it displays OH SO SLOPPY practice that he compiled
an app such as Joymouse (Fakemouse?) for an 040+. Since
when have you had to have an 040 to use either a mouse
or a joystick? Idiot.

> have been given more credit than he was - but i still never 
> stole his work as such..

No, you rereleased it for no reason, changed the name for the
sake of it and caused havoc and confusion. What was wrong
with keeping the original name, versioning blah blah blah?
 
> since i seem to have to continually justify myself to the AFB 
> list even AFTER I have issued a statement then I have decided
> I will no longer contribute to Amiga Format magazine, why?

We don't care that you contribute to the magazine, frankly we
don't need or read your dire articles anyway. And the NERVE you
have classing yourself as an "Freelancer for Amiga Format Magazine"
is incredible.

I suggest you talk to John Kennedy or Nick Veitch or even
Ben Vost who *do* Freelance for other magazines. It's a *teeeny*
bit more involved than "Reader Reviews"

> the staff should have put and end to this, and beleived me.. 

No, they've stayed out of it.

> contribute anymore.. As for amiga developments, I will keep 
> updating the programs I'm interested in and if I feel the
> need to make anymore I will.. but I certainly wont be looking
> for support through the backstabbers on the AFB list..

That's good because we won't be using them, due to the fact that
there are already better versions of any program you make on
Aminet, usually uploaded BEFORE yours, coded in C and not Shitz
(sic) and have decent installer scripts that don't assume you're
using a 1.3 Workbench.

> Its a sad day when an active developer can be stabbed in the 

I for one don't class YOU as a developer. Dickhead, yes, developer,
no. </gratuitous insult>

> you had asked me about this I would have disproved them all via
> email..

Go on then (also forwarded to gazy@globalnet.co.uk)

> Read both my statements and you'll see all of this so called 
> evidence is not how it has been made to look by the selective
> few who started the whole thing.. Only idiots would beleive without
> getting my side of the story..

We *have* your side of the story - two whole statements worth.
Both contradictory, both irrelevant. We beleive you are a fraud,
an egotistical idiot with a lust for fame, and most of all a
pirate. And for all it's worth, you can't program for toffee
IMO. (Although I must say I was almost impressed by the Dawn
of the Dead applet :)

> thanks for nothing AFB.. and i really expected Amiga Format 
> magazine to be more responsible than this..

AFB is not controlled by Amiga Format, just as the CU List is
not controlled by CU Amiga. It's a free mailing list, with
minimal restrictions. Ben can't throw people off it because
it's OPEN. He can moderate them, but if he agrees with the
points in hand, then he need not do ANYTHING about them. He
hasn't, I assume that means he is either promoting healthy
debate or wholeheartedly agrees with us (or doesn't give
a flying fuc^H^H^H either way - most likely)

> thanks again to andrew crowe for uploading this..

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Hi Gaz

> > (this isn`t really on the miggy games subjust but that the hell,..)
> > There was also an old Vic20 game that I used to play, that I`ve never
> > been able to remember the name of. All I can recall about it was
> > that you run around a maze trying to find bits of your
> > spacecraft and then you bring them back to the centre of the
> > maze and construct it... Any ideas? (it was something along those
> > lines.)
>
> I recall Jet Pac on the spectrum being like that, sorta. Wasn't the Aliens
game
> sorta like that as well? I can't emember..

JetPac was sort of like that.  You /did/ collect pieces of your spaceship
and plonk them all in one place to build it, but it was all done on the same
screen with nasty alien thingies flying at your face.  Then you had to pick
up fuel and drop it on your rocket so you could take off.

In fact, I think I'll have a game now.

Tatty byes
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Hi Gerald

> A question about using other ppls stuff, I do a few anims and because I
> can't draw very well I have in  the past altered existing anim brushes and
> used them.Is this a "Murfin" or not,as I do not want to cause offence to
> any of the real artist's.
>
> As for hex-editing existing software I put the kids names as testers for
> Civilization as they were addicted to it, I only did this on their HD and
> would never give it to anybody else.Is that Ok or what ?

Did you actually have to edit the EXE?  AKAICR the names of testers and
whatnot are simply stored in a text file.  Anyway, if you only did it to
your copy (which you're allowed to do whatever you like to) then that's OK.
By me, anyway.

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Hi Andrew

>> Is there a way of redirecting the sound output of my A1200 to a file?
The
>> only way I can think of is to set up a sampler that constantly samples
the
>> output from the phono jacks, but I was hoping there's a little bit of
>> software someone's written that'd do the job.
>
>   Anything that uses AHI you can redirect to a file by using the File
drivers.
>
>If it doesn't then you'll have to record it to a tape recorder or minidisc
(see, keeping with the times man :)

Hahahahahaha!  This is /me/ you're talking to here.

> and then use a sampler to recapture it.
>
>No software can redirect the soundoutput, because it goes straight to the
chips, and you can't sample it directly because no sampling program (that
I've seen) multitasks, and you'd get a nice feedback loop ;)

Damn.

PS: Your wordwraps, um, aren't word-wrapped.

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Hiya

> I agree with Daniel that he`s playing the /hard-done-by/.
> But it`s good to see him admit *some* of it. And appologise.
> It`s just a shame he lied in that first mail saying that he could
> disprove every allegation when he obviously cant because he
> just admitted half of it.

It reminds me of that bloke, oh you know, whatsis face.  American, stupid
voice.  Erm.  Er.... Bill Clinton.  That's the bunny.

> He said he was 17 when he started learning to program,
> I dont know about anyone else, but I started at 15 and I
> haven`t released a single ripped off piece of software, not
> even when I was 15.

I first programmed my Speccy when I was about 7.  I can honestly say I've
never hexed an EXE.

> Perhaps we should kill this thread now he`s admitted it?
> It seems pointless continuing it, and people will make up their
> own minds now that all evidence and his statement has come to
> light.

Drop the 'we hate Gaz' bit, but this could be an interesting discussion on
piracy, plagiarism etc...

Tatty byes
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Some Guy:
> > He said he was 17 when he started learning to program,
> > I dont know about anyone else, but I started at 15 and I
> > haven`t released a single ripped off piece of software, not
> > even when I was 15.

Alex 'Snow Sport Yeti' Furmanski:
> I first programmed my Speccy when I was about 7.  I can 
> honestly say I've never hexed an EXE.

It must be a right of passage - programming in BASIC on the
Spectrum. You didn't move onto assembler on the C64 did you?

:)

Suffice to say any programmer that started out like that
certainly knows what they're on about, and have rock solid
morals. Why pirate a game when you can program it yourself?
etc. 

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Hi Robert "Anakha" Johnston wrote......

> Matthew O'Neill wrote:
> 
> > > CD and tape are rather different. One is read only the other is
> > > read/write. Try buying records on the old read-only medium (vinyl) now.
> > > Tape will probably suffer the same fate as minidisc takes off.
> >
> > minidisc will never replace CD, simply because the sound qulity isn't as
> > good. minidisc will only ever be a tape replacement
> 
> Sorry, but Minidisc is *BETTER* than CD quality-wise. It uses a 48Khz sampling
> Frequency compared to the 44.1 of CD's, and a 24-Bit dynamic rannge, compared to
> the 16 (Or 20-bit with SuperBitMapping) range of CD's. Copy digitally from a CD
> to a Minidisc and you WILL NOT be able to tell the difference. 

MiniDisc *does not* offer better sound-quality than CD.  I
took the Pepsi Challenge and I can tell the difference... :-) I took a
DDD encoded CD, recorded digitally via the optical outputs onto MD. 
The difference CAN be heard between the MD copy and original CD.  The
MD was connected to a pre/power amp and the CD played
back via the same pre/power amp and separate CD transport/DAC.

It all boils down to compression.

A LaserDisc with it's analogue picture frames will offer better
picture quality than the digital picture frames of a DVD.  A DVD, with
its variable bit-rate, when paused will show grain and blockiness
whereas a CAV LaserDisc will not - that's compression.  It's the same
with MiniDisc, all sound frequencies above a certain threshold are
discarded i.e. it's compressed to fit 74 minutes of reasonable sound
quality onto a small re-recordable disc.  The sonic equalivent of
squeezing a quart into a pint pot.  It can't be done unless corners
are cut.

> BUT Minidisc is
> not really aiming to replace CD's. DVD's intend to replace CD's
> (23.3156923076... Hours of music anyone?). Minidisc will replace the
> Compact Cassette. Okay?
>

This will happen only when Minidisc players and discs become cheap
enough to be literally disposable.  How many cassette players do you
have in your house?  I have 14......one in the car, double tape in a
midi system in one bedroom, clock radio cassette in another, tape
player in the kitchen, several Walkmans laying about the place, midi
sytems in the kids bedroom's etc etc.....

regards

chris


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all outta bubblegum.....

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Andy Kinsella wrote:
> Something needs to be made clear here. Just because something is
> FREEWARE does not mean you can use and abuse it, then re-distribute it
> as your own work or otherwise.

  The chances are that you're just arguing the semantics of what he 
said here.

  The source came from a B.U.M.  (No poor jokes please)  It was surely 
there with the intention of helping people do similar things.  How 
similar is a different matter.



bye,
  Chris


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Hello Alex
     Hiya, Alex... ,on 31-Aug-99 you mailed me about: [afb] Re: Gareth M's statement...! So I`ma reply`in...

> Hiya
> 
>> I agree with Daniel that he`s playing the /hard-done-by/.
>> But it`s good to see him admit *some* of it. And appologise.
>> It`s just a shame he lied in that first mail saying that he could
>> disprove every allegation when he obviously cant because he
>> just admitted half of it.
> 
> It reminds me of that bloke, oh you know, whatsis face.  American, stupid
> voice.  Erm.  Er.... Bill Clinton.  That's the bunny.

Ahaha!

>> He said he was 17 when he started learning to program,
>> I dont know about anyone else, but I started at 15 and I
>> haven`t released a single ripped off piece of software, not
>> even when I was 15.
> 
> I first programmed my Speccy when I was about 7.  I can honestly say I've
> never hexed an EXE.

I cant, but I can honestly say I`ve never hexed and saved/kept
an exe. It`s all part of the learning curve. What isn`t is when you
do it 30 times and release 'em all.

>> Perhaps we should kill this thread now he`s admitted it?
>> It seems pointless continuing it, and people will make up their
>> own minds now that all evidence and his statement has come to
>> light.
> 
> Drop the 'we hate Gaz' bit, but this could be an interesting discussion on
> piracy, plagiarism etc...

I think we`ve all said numerous times that we dont hate him, but
what he's done comes with a lot of resent and you have to expect
that people will rip this piss, because it`s all we can do.

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> > Drop the 'we hate Gaz' bit, but this could be an interesting
> > discussion on piracy, plagiarism etc...
> 
> I think we`ve all said numerous times that we dont hate him, but
> what he's done comes with a lot of resent and you have to expect
> that people will rip this piss, because it`s all we can do.

I hate Gaz :) Honestly I do :)

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  One Amiga's latest patents describes the user interface a "lenticuar".
Are they going loopy or what?

  What next?  A GUI with a fish eye viewpoint?

  A fly multiscreen?




bye,
  Chris


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> > Are there any programs anywhere that turn MED (or tracker) modules into
sound
> > samples?
>
>    Octamed Sound Studio.

you can get it from www.octamed.co.uk

Turn the play mode to 1-64 channel mixing, then set mixing options to 8-bit
disk or 16-bit disk. You might need to transpose your samples to make it
sound right.

Tony

Hi Gaz

>Oh yeah, I remember. Sh*tty AMOS program wasn't it (i could tell byt he
font ;)


Dat's der bunny :)


> Daft Headline #2:
> Police Begin Campaign to Run Down Jaywalkers

>Does this ever change =]


When I can be bothered, or until someone tells me that outlook can do random
tags :)

Cheers
Tom

Daft Headline #2:
Police Begin Campaign to Run Down Jaywalkers

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Sealey, M. <mws2@leicester.ac.uk>
To: <afb@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 11:00 AM
Subject: [afb] Re: Gareth M's statement...


> 
> > > Drop the 'we hate Gaz' bit, but this could be an interesting
> > > discussion on piracy, plagiarism etc...
> > 
> > I think we`ve all said numerous times that we dont hate him, but
> > what he's done comes with a lot of resent and you have to expect
> > that people will rip this piss, because it`s all we can do.
> 
> I hate Gaz :) Honestly I do :)

So do I!  Plagiarist scum!  BTW how far am I from getting banned Ben?

 
> I'm not affraid to speak my mind either - and it's saying "Shut up with all
> this childish shit" (my mind never was good with words...)
> If this carries on much longer I'm gonna have to un-sub from the list - I

Well done Rob,

You got in before me with that one. This really has dragged on long
enough. If people want to use it as a springboard to discuss the
subject of piracy in general then fine, but if it's all just gonna
centre around Gaz Murfin then I'm not bothering to read 'em anymore.
Good on Andy Crowe for getting Murfin to speak up. Not so good on
everyone using this as an excuse to throw some abuse around. Gaz has
been exposed for what he is. It's all left a rather sour taste. Let's
move this on a bit now, eh ?

Cheers,

Eddie