@{node 'UFO's Tonight' Discuss Roswell - Anon} 'UFO's Tonight' Discuss Roswell This was transcribed by a friend who wishes to remain anonymous. The following is from 'UFO's Tonight', carried on Cable Radio Network at 9:00 pm PST every Sunday. The guest on the show was Kevin Randle, co-author of the book, 'UFO Crash at Roswell', Avon paperback, 1991. The interview covered the latest on this case from one of the leading researchers on this subject. I won't review the entire Roswell story. There is a lot about it currently available from many in-print books. The above book is one, there is another by Stanton Friedman and Don Berliner called 'Crash At Corona' that is currently on the shelves. I also won't get into the argument that is going on between the two Roswell research factions, represented by the above two books. I will only say that the argument centers around the existence of a second crash site to the west of the Corona/Roswell site, in the Plains of San Agustin. With the exception of a few details, both factions agree about the first site, the Corona/Roswell site. Since the interview was with Kevin Randle, I prefer to report just the work that Randle/Schmitt are doing on this case. Randle/Schmitt are also sponsored by the Center For UFO Studies in Chicago. The Randle/Schmitt book has some very impressive testimony: Col. Thomas DuBose then chief of staff for Brig. Gen. Roger Ramey, who was then commander of the 8th Air Force, of which the 509th Bomb Group at Roswell, was a part. Col. DuBose was in on the creation of the crashed weather balloon cover story per the direct order of General Clements McMullen, Washington DC. Members of the 509th bomb group intelligence and counter-intelligence staffs (named in the book). Former B-29 crew members who flew pieces of the wreckage around (named in the book). USAF Brig. Gen, Arthur Exon, who was a former commander of Wright Patterson AFB. So if you're interested, get the books, read the stories, and make up your own minds. Summary: A summary of the new information follows: Randle/Schmitt are now concentrating their efforts on investigating the impact area of the Corona/Roswell vehicle. There are now 7 first hand witnesses to the vehicle impact site. There were really no first hand witnesses to the impact site when their book was written. A better approximation of the location of the vehicle impact site has been made, based on the new first hand witnesses. Based on the testimony of these new first-hand witnesses, some of the 'conventional wisdom', such as the crash date, now seems to be changing. Randle/Schmitt have now talked to over 400 1st/2nd hand witnesses regarding the Corona/Roswell site. The crashed vehicle was tracked on radar before the crash. Kevin Randle claims to have handled a small piece of the crash debris, pocketed by one of the first hand witnesses. Randle provided additional information on why the Roswell Army Air Field released a press story that they had recovered a flying saucer. Although there was less specific information on this, there also seems to be progress that is being made on understanding the General Twining flying disk letter, of September 23, 1947. The claims of a second crash site on the Plains of San Agustin, over 100 miles to the west of Roswell, now seems to be in serious jeopardy. Back in September, the sole first hand witness to that scenario, admitted to lying about a small aspect of the case. So now there are no more 'credible' first hand witnesses to the 'Plains' site. There is more information on some of the above below. Some of the following are exact quotes. If there are no quote marks, then it is a summary in my words, of what Randle said. Q: Do we have anyone first hand who witnessed the object itself near Roswell? A: There are now 7 first hand witnesses that are familiar with the craft impact site discovered near Roswell. It was only after 2-to-3 years of research that Randle/Schmitt started to find first hand witnesses to the vehicle impact site. Randle/Schmitt have been researching the Corona/Roswell case now for a little over 4 years. Based on the testimony of the 7 new first hand witnesses, the vehicle impact site is now located 25-to-30 miles from the debris field near Corona NM. That places it much closer to Roswell NM. During the 7/4/47 3-day weekend, the head of the AAF, General Carl Spaatz, was on a fishing trip in the Pacific Northwest, where most of the sightings were taking place at that time (interesting). Q: Have you ever looked into the possibility of a high powered radar site as contributing to the cause of the crash? A: Randle indicated there were radar sites at White Sands, Roswell AAF, and Kirtland. This thing was tracked on radar for a period of time. Randle was skeptical that radar could have been a contributing factor to the crash. Q: Have you anything new to report from the recent Denver, CO engagements? A: On a radio show during the Denver speaking engagement Randle was asked if he had ever seen any of the debris. "I have actually handled a piece of the debris. A small piece of the debris maybe 3/4 of an inch long and 1/2 of an inch wide." It looked like silver pumice with some stratification in it. Very light weight. It didn't crumble like pumice would. There was not that kind of a gritty texture to it. But it looked like pumice.' Q: You're convinced that you actually handled a piece of an extraterrestrial craft? A: "I was told that what I was handling was a piece of the debris, yes. Now the question becomes, it was not analyzed and all I could do was look at it and see what it looked like. The question is always in the back of your mind, was this really a piece of the debris or was I being taken down the garden path. I was told this was a piece of the debris from the craft that the fellah had been able to pocket.' Q: Was this one of the original first hand witnesses? A: 'This was a first hand witness! I have no reason to doubt his word at this point, at all. All I can say is yes I handled a small piece of the debris, as far as I know.' Q: Are there things going on behind the scenes (regarding Roswell) that we don't know about as civilians? A: 'I would imagine there's a great deal going on that we don't understand. We've been told again by some of our sources that there's all kinds of talk about releasing this data slowly. That sort of thing. We've been told that there is a small contingent of people who now are in control of this data, who really don't want it to come out! So it's kind of, take a choice, type of thing. We can speculate about things but we don't really have any answers about that. The reason for the press release in 1947 though, that was part of the whole plan to keep this thing buried by having the lower headquarters come out with a story that they had a flying saucer, then a higher headquarters say: No, no, it was merely a weather balloon. You've discredited all the rumors coming out of Roswell at that time. And that was the plan, to discredit the rumors so people wouldn't be asking the very difficult questions. Well those dummies in Roswell, they thought they had a flying saucer, but what they had was a weather balloon.' The Twining letter of Sept. 23, 1947 was talked about. Randle said that to explain fully what was going on would take a couple of hours. This thing was at the highest levels of security and at that level it's a very convoluted and complex system that's in place. Q: What do you intend to do at this point forward ...? A: 'One of the things we're working on is to of course track down additional witnesses to corroborate the impact site near Roswell and we're looking for documentation so that rather than having to believe what we say we can kind of prove what we're saying - and that's always been kind of what we're doing, looking for corroboration. But the investigation also encompasses looking at the stories told by people and finding out whether we can break them down under scrutiny.' Q: ... How do the stories check out ... among the new witnesses? A: Randle indicated that there are problems with certain conventional wisdom.