Article 55896 of comp.sys.amiga.hardware: Path: news.csos.orst.edu!gaia.ucs.orst.edu!news.cs.indiana.edu!sgiblab!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!news.ecn.bgu.edu!psuvax1!psuvm!dfd105 Organization: Penn State University Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 13:30:55 EST From: Message-ID: <93333.133055DFD105@psuvm.psu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware Subject: Bernoulli Box vs Syquest Lines: 6 I'm trying to decide between Syquest and Bernoulli for storage and backup for my A3000. Has anybody used Bernoulli? What would you suggest? Thanks for any help. - Dan Duda (Digital Man) Article 55952 of comp.sys.amiga.hardware: Path: news.csos.orst.edu!gaia.ucs.orst.edu!news.uoregon.edu!cs.uoregon.edu!sgiblab!sdd.hp.com!portal!cup.portal.com!joeles From: joeles@cup.portal.com (Joel Edward Swan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware Subject: Re: Bernoulli Box vs Syquest Message-ID: <97021@cup.portal.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 93 01:54:13 PST Organization: The Portal System (TM) References: <93333.133055DFD105@psuvm.psu.edu> Lines: 38 >I'm trying to decide between Syquest and Bernoulli for storage and backup >for my A3000. Has anybody used Bernoulli? What would you suggest? > >Thanks for any help. > > - Dan Duda (Digital Man) I have the Bernoulli Transportable 150. Yowser!! I love it. It's fast and very reliable. The Syquest we have at the school I help at has had a number of platter problems. Syquest rates their disks to survive a 30 inch drop. Bernoulli rates theirs at "a toss out of a car doing 60mph!" Syquest has the the advantage of being the "early man" on the scene so most print and video service bureaus would have one available. However, I've heard that many of these places are adding Bernoulli very quickly. Also, the Bernoulli is already very common in the PC world, so the service bureaus may already have one. If you plan to stay totally in house, don't pass up the Bernoulli. It's faster, much much much much safer and in the end, I think, cheaper than Syquest (Iomega just chopped their prices). 150 meg carts can easily cost under $100. Even Newtek seems to have bought them by the truck loads. Be aware of one slight problem. For some reason the Toaster software can keep the Bernoulli from spinning back up after the 30 minute spindown. It seems to be a Newtek problem that they will eventually solve. In the mean time we use a small program to keep the drive from spinning down every 30 minutes. If you don't use the Toaster, this is of no concern to you. -Joel ------- ======================================================================== / Joel E. Swan....Pres./...Media Specialties, Ltd., Oak Forest, IL. USA / / & Senior Producer..../...Moody Broadcasting Network, Chicago, IL. USA / / Portal ID: joeles..../...joeles@cup.portal.com / ======================================================================== Article 55968 of comp.sys.amiga.hardware: Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware Path: news.csos.orst.edu!gaia.ucs.orst.edu!umn.edu!spool.mu.edu!sgiblab!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!ames!purdue!mentor.cc.purdue.edu!thwang From: thwang@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Tommy Hwang) Subject: Re: Bernoulli Box vs Syquest Message-ID: Organization: Purdue University Computing Center References: <93333.133055DFD105@psuvm.psu.edu> <97021@cup.portal.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1993 12:29:18 GMT Lines: 43 In article <97021@cup.portal.com> joeles@cup.portal.com (Joel Edward Swan) writes: > >I have the Bernoulli Transportable 150. Yowser!! I love it. It's fast and >very reliable. The Syquest we have at the school I help at has had a number >of platter problems. Syquest rates their disks to survive a 30 inch drop. >Bernoulli rates theirs at "a toss out of a car doing 60mph!" Yes, it is excellent. I have been using it as my Macintosh emulation harddrive. I just have to have the unfortunate luck of owning the two only boards that does not work yet: A4091 and Emplant Deluxe. (Under Amiga that is) >Syquest has the the advantage of being the "early man" on the scene so most >print and video service bureaus would have one available. However, I've >heard that many of these places are adding Bernoulli very quickly. Also, >the Bernoulli is already very common in the PC world, so the service bureaus >may already have one. Actually, Bernoulli came out first, if I could recall correctly. They were just overpriced dinosaurs then. >If you plan to stay totally in house, don't pass up the Bernoulli. It's >faster, much much much much safer and in the end, I think, cheaper than >Syquest (Iomega just chopped their prices). 150 meg carts can easily cost >under $100. I got mine for around 79-89 dollars (150 MB) and the drive for about 500-600 dollars. Newtek Have indicated that the next Toaster will be in a different format (probably the floppys keep dying on toaster 3.0 users). Maybe, they are considering removable devices. >Be aware of one slight problem. For some reason the Toaster software can >keep the Bernoulli from spinning back up after the 30 minute spindown. It >seems to be a Newtek problem that they will eventually solve. In the mean >time we use a small program to keep the drive from spinning down every 30 >minutes. If you don't use the Toaster, this is of no concern to you. What is this program called? I will be needing it as soon as my SCSI controller problems are solved. Article 55974 of comp.sys.amiga.hardware: Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware Path: news.csos.orst.edu!gaia.ucs.orst.edu!umn.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!festival!dcs.ed.ac.uk!dcc From: dcc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (David Crooke) Subject: Re: Bernoulli Box vs Syquest Message-ID: Sender: cnews@dcs.ed.ac.uk (UseNet News Admin) Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh References: <93333.133055DFD105@psuvm.psu.edu> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1993 13:40:37 GMT Lines: 27 In article <93333.133055DFD105@psuvm.psu.edu>, writes: > I'm trying to decide between Syquest and Bernoulli for storage and backup > for my A3000. Has anybody used Bernoulli? What would you suggest? > > Thanks for any help. > > - Dan Duda (Digital Man) I haven't used either with an Amiga, but at a place I used to work we used a lot of removable media. The Bernoulli is good and reliable but quite slow, and in this country is quite pricey. The Syquest has less of a reputation for reliability, although this shouldn't be a problem with the sort of load home use produces. It is also cheaper and quicker (don't know about the latest Bernoulli's though). Both are available with Amiga installation instructions. The major factor is probably what you want to be compatible with - most PC's use Bernoulli, whereas most Amiga people use Syquest. From what you say this isn't an issue, but worth noting. Other options to consider are QIC tape streamers (very Unix compatible), flopticals and the 128Mb rewritable-optical. Dave -- David Crooke, Department of Computer Science, University of Edinburgh Janet dcc@ed.dcs : Internet dcc@dcs.ed.ac.uk : IP talk dcc@129.215.160.2 Work: JCMB Rm 1408, King's Bldgs, W Mains Rd., Edinburgh EH9 3JZ. 031 650 5164 Home: 12 (GFR) West Savile Tr, Edinburgh, SCOTLAND EH9 3DZ. 031 667 4854 Article 55988 of comp.sys.amiga.hardware: Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware Path: news.csos.orst.edu!gaia.ucs.orst.edu!news.cs.indiana.edu!noose.ecn.purdue.edu!mentor.cc.purdue.edu!thwang From: thwang@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Tommy Hwang) Subject: Re: Bernoulli Box vs Syquest Message-ID: Organization: Purdue University Computing Center References: <93333.133055DFD105@psuvm.psu.edu> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1993 15:41:10 GMT Lines: 8 In article dcc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (David Crooke) writes: > >I haven't used either with an Amiga, but at a place I used to work we used a lot >of removable media. The Bernoulli is good and reliable but quite slow, and in >this country is quite pricey. The Syquest has less of a reputation for the Bernoulli 150 is substaintially faster than previous models. Article 56041 of comp.sys.amiga.hardware: Path: news.csos.orst.edu!flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU!rutgers!usc!sdd.hp.com!portal!cup.portal.com!joeles From: joeles@cup.portal.com (Joel Edward Swan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware Subject: Re: Bernoulli Box vs Syquest Message-ID: <97107@cup.portal.com> Date: 1 Dec 93 04:51:14 GMT References: <93333.133055DFD105@psuvm.psu.edu> <97021@cup.portal.com> Organization: The Portal System (TM) Lines: 29 >In article <97021@cup.portal.com> joeles@cup.portal.com (Joel Edward Swan) wri t >es: >> >>Syquest has the the advantage of being the "early man" on the scene so most >>print and video service bureaus would have one available. However, I've >>heard that many of these places are adding Bernoulli very quickly. Also, >>the Bernoulli is already very common in the PC world, so the service bureaus >>may already have one. > > Actually, Bernoulli came out first, if I could recall correctly. >They were just overpriced dinosaurs then. Oops. I forgot to say "early man" on the scene for Amiga supported removable media. True, Bernoullis have been around a looong time, but they did not support Amigas as early on as Syquest. Thanks for that clarification. -Joel ------- ======================================================================== / Joel E. Swan....Pres./...Media Specialties, Ltd., Oak Forest, IL.USA / / & Senior Producer..../...Moody Broadcasting Network, Chicago, IL. USA / / Portal ID: joeles..../...joeles@cup.portal.com / ======================================================================== "Obfuscation should be a voluntary mental exercise, not a design goal for an application aimed at the general population." - Jack Ratigan Article 56069 of comp.sys.amiga.hardware: Path: news.csos.orst.edu!flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU!ogicse!netnews.nwnet.net!uw-beaver!uhog.mit.edu!rutgers!utcsri!cdf.toronto.edu!a148grai From: a148grai@cdf.toronto.edu (Grainger Darrell Arthur) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware Subject: Re: Bernoulli Box vs Syquest Message-ID: <1993Dec1.180105.6398@cdf.toronto.edu> Date: 1 Dec 93 18:01:05 GMT Article-I.D.: cdf.1993Dec1.180105.6398 References: <93333.133055DFD105@psuvm.psu.edu> <97021@cup.portal.com> <97107@cup.portal.com> Organization: University of Toronto Computing Disciplines Facility Lines: 49 In article <97107@cup.portal.com> joeles@cup.portal.com (Joel Edward Swan) writes: >>In article <97021@cup.portal.com> joeles@cup.portal.com (Joel Edward Swan) wri >t >>es: >>> >>>Syquest has the the advantage of being the "early man" on the scene so most >>>print and video service bureaus would have one available. However, I've >>>heard that many of these places are adding Bernoulli very quickly. Also, >>>the Bernoulli is already very common in the PC world, so the service bureaus >>>may already have one. >> >> Actually, Bernoulli came out first, if I could recall correctly. >>They were just overpriced dinosaurs then. > >Oops. I forgot to say "early man" on the scene for Amiga supported >removable media. True, Bernoullis have been around a looong time, but they >did not support Amigas as early on as Syquest. Actually, there was Bernoulli support for the Amiga back in the days of the A1000. Before I ever saw a Syquest. First time I saw a Bernoulli on an Amiga was at a business show. Dynamax was showing off Bernoulli drives for the Mac and across from them was Comspec Communications. Comspec had an A1000 with their SA1000 SCSI controller. They asked to borrow a Bernoulli from Dynamax and had the thing running by mid-afternoon. Only thing that made Syquests popular was the fact they they were 1/4 the price of a Bernoulli at the time they came out. The original Bernoulli 20 meg was really slow too (no caching like the 45 and higher). > >Thanks for that clarification. > >-Joel >------- > ======================================================================== > / Joel E. Swan....Pres./...Media Specialties, Ltd., Oak Forest, IL.USA / > / & Senior Producer..../...Moody Broadcasting Network, Chicago, IL. USA / >/ Portal ID: joeles..../...joeles@cup.portal.com / >======================================================================== > "Obfuscation should be a voluntary mental exercise, not a design > goal for an application aimed at the general population." > - Jack Ratigan -- >-----------------------------------------------------------------< > Darrell Grainger | a148grai@cdf.toronto.edu | darrellg@io.org < >-----------------------------------------------------------------< > The best length for TV programs is either 30 seconds or 8 hours < Article 56165 of comp.sys.amiga.hardware: Path: news.csos.orst.edu!gaia.ucs.orst.edu!osshe.edu!news.uoregon.edu!cs.uoregon.edu!sgiblab!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!noc.near.net!news.delphi.com!usenet From: Michael Halleen Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware Subject: Re: Bernoulli Box vs Syquest Date: Wed, 1 DEC 93 23:55:30 EST Organization: Delphi Internet Lines: 10 Message-ID: <931201.86130.HALLEEN@delphi.com> References: <93333.133055DFD105@psuvm.psu.edu> <97021@cup.portal.com> <97107@cup.portal.com> <1993Dec1.180105.6398@cdf.toronto.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: delphi.com On the subject of whether to go with Syquest or Bernoulli (sp?): I've use a Squest for about two years. I bought it cause it was the best priced removable drive I could find. I have had MANY problems with it. It works, it's never completely failed me, but I get lots of crashes, I got no instructions with it, so I don't think I have formated the carts properly, I haven't been able to get any help from the manufacturer, and it sometimes slower, much slower, than I wish it was (were?). If I had it to do over again, I might avoid Syquest. Article 56183 of comp.sys.amiga.hardware: Path: news.csos.orst.edu!flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU!ogicse!netnews.nwnet.net!news.clark.edu!spool.mu.edu!sdd.hp.com!portal!cup.portal.com!John_P_Sheehy From: John_P_Sheehy@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware Subject: Re: Bernoulli Box vs Syquest Message-ID: <97292@cup.portal.com> Date: 3 Dec 93 02:35:15 GMT Article-I.D.: cup.97292 References: <93333.133055DFD105@psuvm.psu.edu> <97021@cup.portal.com> <97107@cup.portal.com> <1993Dec1.180105.6398@cdf.toronto.edu> <931201.86130.HALLEEN@delphi.com> Organization: The Portal System (TM) Lines: 65 Michael Halleen writes: >On the subject of whether to go with Syquest or Bernoulli (sp?): > >I've use a Squest for about two years. I bought it cause it was the best >priced removable drive I could find. I have had MANY problems with it. >It works, it's never completely failed me, but I get lots of crashes, I >got no instructions with it, so I don't think I have formated the carts >properly, I haven't been able to get any help from the manufacturer, and >it sometimes slower, much slower, than I wish it was (were?). If I had >it to do over again, I might avoid Syquest. I've had a Syquest (88) for about three years and haven't had any problems. I had it first on my A500 with an old (circa 1988) Supra controller, and then on my A3000. I get read/writes of about 800-900 KB/S which is faster than the 40 meg Quantum which came with the A3000. I just dumped my RDB from a properly formatted 88 Meg Syquest drive, if you have an 88, maybe you can check against this and see what's different: (Note that the mask ends in "c". While Commodore suggests using "e", many people have cleared up drive problems by changing to "c".) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- /* RigidDiskBlock. */ SyQuest SQ5110 5D2 : disk = scsi.device Unit = 1 BytesperBlock = 512 Cylinders = 1766 Heads = 2 BlocksPerTrack = 52 CylinderBlocks = 148 RDBlow = 3 ; RDBhi = 147 MinCyl = 1 ; MaxCyl = 1171 Interleave = 0 HiLun = TRUE HiID = FALSE HiDrive = FALSE Reselect = FALSE # /* Partition. */ DH0: device = scsi.device Unit = 1 Flags = 0x0 Surfaces = 1 BlockSize = 512 BlocksPerTrack = 148 Reserved = 2 Interleave = 0 LowCyl = 1 ; HighCyl = 1171 PreAlloc = 0 Buffers = 20 BufMemType = 1 DOSType = 0x444f5301 MaxTransfer = 130560 Mask = 0x7ffffffc Mount = 1 /*! Bootable = 1 */ BootPri = 1 # ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- John Article 56199 of comp.sys.amiga.hardware: Path: news.csos.orst.edu!flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU!ogicse!netnews.nwnet.net!news.clark.edu!spool.mu.edu!sdd.hp.com!portal!cup.portal.com!joeles From: joeles@cup.portal.com (Joel Edward Swan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware Subject: Re: Bernoulli Box vs Syquest Message-ID: <97314@cup.portal.com> Date: 3 Dec 93 08:09:13 GMT Article-I.D.: cup.97314 References: <93333.133055DFD105@psuvm.psu.edu> <2dl2v8$1q2@hecate.umd.edu> Organization: The Portal System (TM) Lines: 50 >DFD105@psuvm.psu.edu wrote: >: I'm trying to decide between Syquest and Bernoulli for storage and backup >: for my A3000. Has anybody used Bernoulli? What would you suggest? > >: Thanks for any help. > >: - Dan Duda (Digital Man) >Bernoulli-> big (150megs) fast and really almost indestructible >but for some reason, you cant start your amiga if you dont have a cartridge >in it when you boot!! NOT true. I do it all the time. What HD controller are you using? Perhaps IT is having the problem. It most definitely is NOT the drive. It may be something wrong with your setup. DO call the Iomega support number. From their voice mail select the Mac/Amiga support division. Ask for Tony. He really knows the Amiga (he uses one all the time) and the Bernoulli drives. I re-itterate, the Amiga WILL boot up fine regardless of whether there is a cartridge in the Bernoulli drive. If it doesn't for you, it's not the drive's fault. >THe syquest is older technology and not as big (the 5 1/4 88/44) >but I got a syquest so that I could exchange a lot of data with others- >nobody else has the berny- but plenty of people have the 88 meg >syquest- so the choice was easy for me. That's true, but the times, they be a changin'... >milage may vary >-- >|----------------------------------------------------------------------- >| /|_|_|_ Andrew Diller | >| |_| |_ --------------- "God, this Amiga 3000UX SVR4 | >| /|_| |_ dillera@wam.umd.edu is cool!!" ------------------- | >| |_|_|_ | >| / / / / ad72@umail.umd.edu Emplant Deluxe= | >| MacIIcx/Atari800 | >|----------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew, be sure to call Tony and find out what your problem is. -Joel ------- ======================================================================== / Joel E. Swan....Pres./...Media Specialties, Ltd., Oak Forest, IL. USA / / & Senior Producer..../...Moody Broadcasting Network, Chicago, IL. USA / / Portal ID: joeles..../...joeles@cup.portal.com / ======================================================================== Article 56393 of comp.sys.amiga.hardware: Path: news.csos.orst.edu!flop.ENGR.ORST.EDU!ogicse!netnews.nwnet.net!news.clark.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!newsgate.watson.ibm.com!watnews.watson.ibm.com!yktnews.watson.ibm.com!crazyhorse!ricardo From: ricardo@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Ricardo Hernandez Muchado) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware Subject: Re: Bernoulli Box vs Syquest Message-ID: <1993Dec06.074803.24725@rchland.ibm.com> Date: 6 Dec 93 07:48:03 GMT Article-I.D.: rchland.1993Dec06.074803.24725 References: <93333.133055DFD105@psuvm.psu.edu> <97021@cup.portal.com> <97107@cup.portal.com> <1993Dec1.180105.6398@cdf.toronto.edu> <931201.86130.HALLEEN@delphi.com> Sender: news@rchland.ibm.com Organization: IBM Rochester Lines: 31 Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM Nntp-Posting-Host: crazyhorse.rchland.ibm.com In article <931201.86130.HALLEEN@delphi.com>, Michael Halleen writes: |> On the subject of whether to go with Syquest or Bernoulli (sp?): |> |> I've use a Squest for about two years. I bought it cause it was the best |> priced removable drive I could find. I have had MANY problems with it. |> It works, it's never completely failed me, but I get lots of crashes, I |> got no instructions with it, so I don't think I have formated the carts |> properly, I haven't been able to get any help from the manufacturer, and |> it sometimes slower, much slower, than I wish it was (were?). If I had |> it to do over again, I might avoid Syquest. |> Go with Bernoulli. Bernoulli offers TRUE AMIGA support-> their tech department knows Amiga stuff. The other thing, there was a slash in price of up to about 40% in the Bernoulli stuff... I could get my external 150 meg Bernoulli box for less than the 105 external Syquest! I'll get it next Wedsnday, if I am not pleased, I'll guarantee to complain :-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Raist A1200/CSA '12 Gauge' 030/882 @ 50Mhz, 16 megs Fast Ram, 200 meg HD // >>> I LOVE IT <<<< My comments are my own, not of my employer \X/ 256,000 + colors, 24-bit palette Real 3D V2, Image FX, Scala MM210 >>> New internet address: raist@vnet.ibm.com <<<<