From amigappc-dev-owner@amiga.com.pl Mon May 4 18:34:31 1998 Received: from rzdspc1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (root@rzdspc1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de [134.100.9.61]) by amiga.com.pl (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA05005 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 18:27:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from informatik.uni-hamburg.de (in5y236@max1-080.public.uni-hamburg.de [134.100.43.80]) by rzdspc1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA02116 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 18:21:29 +0200 (MET DST) From: Alexander Pokahr <5pokahr@informatik.uni-hamburg.de> To: "AmigaPPC developers' mailing list" Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 18:19:10 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: ixemul.library with ppc MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: AmigaPPC developers' mailing list Sender: amigappc-dev-owner@amiga.com.pl Precedence: list Hi! I'm trying to port kaffe and need some help. Does anyone know, how to use ixemul.library functions with the ppc? I thought of calling the library functions using CallOS, but I haven't found an ixemul_lib.fd . Any ideas? Greets, Alex From amigappc-dev-owner@amiga.com.pl Tue May 5 16:50:42 1998 Received: from nevald.k-net.dk (nevald.k-net.dtu.dk [130.225.71.226]) by amiga.com.pl (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA01266 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 16:38:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 13780 invoked from network); 5 May 1998 14:32:19 -0000 Received: from carlsberg.kampsax.dtu.dk (qmailr@192.38.212.2) by nevald.k-net.dtu.dk with SMTP; 5 May 1998 14:32:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 8482 invoked from network); 5 May 1998 14:32:18 -0000 Received: from k4315.kampsax.dtu.dk (rask@192.38.215.253) by carlsberg.kampsax.dtu.dk with SMTP; 5 May 1998 14:32:18 -0000 Received: from k4315.kampsax.dtu.dk (rask@192.38.215.253) by k4315.kampsax.dtu.dk with SMTP; 5 May 1998 14:31:44 -0000 Date: 05 May 98 15:47:55 +0200 From: "Rask Ingemann Lambertsen" Subject: Re: SysBase To: "Amiga PowerPC developer mailing list" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <798.429T2788T9475332@kampsax.k-net.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Reply-To: AmigaPPC developers' mailing list Sender: amigappc-dev-owner@amiga.com.pl Precedence: list Den 18-Apr-98 01:17:44 skrev Fred Wright fĝlgende om "Re: SysBase": > Under what circumstances is it meaningful to access SysBase from PPC code? Under the same circumstances that makes it meaninful to access SysBase from m68k code. Most notably exec.library library calls. Regards, /ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻTŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ\ | Rask Ingemann Lambertsen | E-mail: mailto:rask@kampsax.k-net.dk | | Registered Phase5 developer | WWW: http://www.gbar.dtu.dk/~c948374/ | | A4000, 775 kkeys/s (RC5-64) | "ThrustMe" on XPilot, ARCnet and IRC | | Whoever said you can't multitask a Mac didn't own an Amiga | From amigappc-dev-owner@amiga.com.pl Tue May 5 16:50:45 1998 Received: from nevald.k-net.dk (nevald.k-net.dtu.dk [130.225.71.226]) by amiga.com.pl (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA01265 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 16:38:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 13783 invoked from network); 5 May 1998 14:32:20 -0000 Received: from carlsberg.kampsax.dtu.dk (qmailr@192.38.212.2) by nevald.k-net.dtu.dk with SMTP; 5 May 1998 14:32:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 8487 invoked from network); 5 May 1998 14:32:20 -0000 Received: from k4315.kampsax.dtu.dk (rask@192.38.215.253) by carlsberg.kampsax.dtu.dk with SMTP; 5 May 1998 14:32:20 -0000 Received: from k4315.kampsax.dtu.dk (rask@192.38.215.253) by k4315.kampsax.dtu.dk with SMTP; 5 May 1998 14:31:53 -0000 Date: 05 May 98 16:18:29 +0200 From: "Rask Ingemann Lambertsen" Subject: Re: ixemul.library with ppc To: "Amiga PowerPC developer mailing list" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1041.429T1463T9783955@kampsax.k-net.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Reply-To: AmigaPPC developers' mailing list Sender: amigappc-dev-owner@amiga.com.pl Precedence: list Den 04-Maj-98 19:19:10 skrev Alexander Pokahr fĝlgende om "ixemul.library with ppc": > Hi! > I'm trying to port kaffe and need some help. > Does anyone know, how to use ixemul.library functions with the ppc? Holger Jakob has made a bridge that makes this possible. See . > I thought of calling the library functions using CallOS, > but I haven't found an ixemul_lib.fd . Good, because it wouldn't be any good since ixemul.library does not use standard library call conventions. Regards, /ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻTŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ\ | Rask Ingemann Lambertsen | E-mail: mailto:rask@kampsax.k-net.dk | | Registered Phase5 developer | WWW: http://www.gbar.dtu.dk/~c948374/ | | A4000, 775 kkeys/s (RC5-64) | "ThrustMe" on XPilot, ARCnet and IRC | | You have not converted a man because you have silenced him. | From amigappc-dev-owner@amiga.com.pl Tue May 5 16:50:47 1998 Received: from nevald.k-net.dk (nevald.k-net.dtu.dk [130.225.71.226]) by amiga.com.pl (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA01268 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 16:38:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 13790 invoked from network); 5 May 1998 14:32:23 -0000 Received: from carlsberg.kampsax.dtu.dk (qmailr@192.38.212.2) by nevald.k-net.dtu.dk with SMTP; 5 May 1998 14:32:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 8499 invoked from network); 5 May 1998 14:32:23 -0000 Received: from k4315.kampsax.dtu.dk (rask@192.38.215.253) by carlsberg.kampsax.dtu.dk with SMTP; 5 May 1998 14:32:23 -0000 Received: from k4315.kampsax.dtu.dk (rask@192.38.215.253) by k4315.kampsax.dtu.dk with SMTP; 5 May 1998 14:31:57 -0000 Date: 05 May 98 16:26:26 +0200 From: "Rask Ingemann Lambertsen" Subject: Re: PPCCallM68k() with SAS C and Hunk format To: "Amiga PowerPC developer mailing list" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1203.429T1330T9864470@kampsax.k-net.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Reply-To: AmigaPPC developers' mailing list Sender: amigappc-dev-owner@amiga.com.pl Precedence: list Den 20-Apr-98 16:50:19 skrev Guenter Erhart fĝlgende om "PPCCallM68k() with SAS C and Hunk format": > struct Caos *MyCaos; > if((MyCaos = (struct Caos*)PPCAllocVec(sizeof(struct Caos),MEMF_PUBLIC | > MEMF_CLEAR)) != NULL) > { > MyCaos->caos_Un.Function= _foo; > MyCaos->M68kCacheMode= IF_CACHEFLUSHNO; > MyCaos->PPCCacheMode= IF_CACHEFLUSHNO; Be careful with IF_CACHEFLUSHNO if you're not using the latest ppc.library. Earlier versions had bugs in the cache handling, forgetting to flush/invalidate the Caos structure itself. Even as of version 45.20, your Caos structure must be 32 byte aligned (not documented). Regards, /ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻTŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ\ | Rask Ingemann Lambertsen | E-mail: mailto:rask@kampsax.k-net.dk | | Registered Phase5 developer | WWW: http://www.gbar.dtu.dk/~c948374/ | | A4000, 775 kkeys/s (RC5-64) | "ThrustMe" on XPilot, ARCnet and IRC | | Shell to DOS... Shell to DOS... DOS, do you copy? Shell to DOS... | From amigappc-dev-owner@amiga.com.pl Tue May 5 16:50:53 1998 Received: from nevald.k-net.dk (nevald.k-net.dtu.dk [130.225.71.226]) by amiga.com.pl (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA01269 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 16:38:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 13786 invoked from network); 5 May 1998 14:32:22 -0000 Received: from carlsberg.kampsax.dtu.dk (qmailr@192.38.212.2) by nevald.k-net.dtu.dk with SMTP; 5 May 1998 14:32:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 8491 invoked from network); 5 May 1998 14:32:20 -0000 Received: from k4315.kampsax.dtu.dk (rask@192.38.215.253) by carlsberg.kampsax.dtu.dk with SMTP; 5 May 1998 14:32:20 -0000 Received: from k4315.kampsax.dtu.dk (rask@192.38.215.253) by k4315.kampsax.dtu.dk with SMTP; 5 May 1998 14:31:47 -0000 Date: 05 May 98 16:16:54 +0200 From: "Rask Ingemann Lambertsen" Subject: Re: HUNK vs ELF To: "Amiga PowerPC developer mailing list" In-Reply-To: <1SI3JMD5131asz2@ark.news.wwbnet.de> Message-ID: <3147.429T2709T9765433@kampsax.k-net.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Reply-To: AmigaPPC developers' mailing list Sender: amigappc-dev-owner@amiga.com.pl Precedence: list Den 30-Apr-98 02:00:00 skrev Andreas R. Kleinert fĝlgende om "Re: HUNK vs ELF": > You wrote at 29.04.1998/01:02:22: >> It does. There are incompatible ELF loaders out there, written for > Which ? A couple of incompatible versions of SAS/C runelf, two incompatible versions my early ELF loader for librilc startup code, vbcc's ppcrun and Ralph Schmidts PPCLoad. And then there's the one Holger Jakob uses for his ixemul bridge. What's the likelyhood that this is a complete list? If your PPC startup code is compatible with the LoadSeg() patch, there is no reason to risk that users dig up an old, obscure ELF loader and yell angrily at you because loading your apps with it caused a crash at exactly the wrong point in time. > My point of view: > Add .elf to ELF modules. If one has installed the LoadSegPatch, he can > remove the .elf extension and e.g. copy UnARJ.elf over his old 68k UnARJ. > (*) [moved from the bottom of the message] > (*) if 68k and PPC version come in the same archive, one has to > distinct these, anway - so an .elf extension for the PPC version OK (directories could be used too), but this of course assumes that 1) You're making an m68k version. 2) That you're making only one PPC version. For example, I'm planning to create separate versions optimised for 604's and 603's, respectively. I'm not too likely to bother about an m68k version unless there is huge demand. > If one does not like to install that patch or wants to use PPC and 68k > versions in parallel, he can let everything as it is. > That .elf is just for purposes of information - it's better than having > to look into the file to find out. I can't see, why that should be a bad > thing for the average user. Especially *before* installation took place. Why would the average user need or want to find out in the first place? And if you're not an average user, you can easily and quickly tell with Type HEX program_file (and wouldn't trust something as unreliable as the file name) but most of the time, you just want to use the program in question for what ever it's purpose is. > Anyway: each program comes with a manual, so if people are getting > 'confused', it's their own fault (RTFM). Nevertheless, programmers > should agree on a common standard. Ralph Schmidt used .elf for the > Examples, Jim Cooper uses .elf for his LHA port - so why not stay > with this. Equally well the user could read in the manual that it is a PPC ELF program, but they don't have to if they have the LoadSeg() patch installed. The common standard for program files on Amigas is to have no extension. Regards, /ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻTŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ\ | Rask Ingemann Lambertsen | E-mail: mailto:rask@kampsax.k-net.dk | | Registered Phase5 developer | WWW: http://www.gbar.dtu.dk/~c948374/ | | A4000, 775 kkeys/s (RC5-64) | "ThrustMe" on XPilot, ARCnet and IRC | | Es funktioniert nicht, sieht aber gut aus. | From amigappc-dev-owner@amiga.com.pl Tue May 5 18:50:13 1998 Received: from server.fiber.net.pl (server.fiber.net.pl [195.117.208.101]) by amiga.com.pl (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA01711 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 18:34:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jupiter.ph-cip.Uni-Koeln.DE ([134.95.64.5]) by server.fiber.net.pl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id AAA35A7 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 18:30:13 +0200 Received: from ph-cip.uni-koeln.de (heureka@annexr2-47.slip.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.170.97]) by jupiter.ph-cip.Uni-Koeln.DE (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA12015 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 18:22:52 +0200 (MET DST) From: Holger Jakob To: "AmigaPPC developers' mailing list" Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 18:09:28 Europe/Berlin Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: ixemul.library with ppc MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: AmigaPPC developers' mailing list Sender: amigappc-dev-owner@amiga.com.pl Precedence: list Am 04-Mai-98 schrieb Alexander Pokahr: >Hi! >I'm trying to port kaffe and need some help. Could you please make a list of all unresolved symbols as soon as you have succeeded compiling it and send it to me? >Does anyone know, how to use ixemul.library functions with the ppc? The best way is to use my ixemul-libc-bridge. It is available on http://www.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de/~jakob/ >I thought of calling the library functions using CallOS, >but I haven't found an ixemul_lib.fd . No. PPCCallOS() does not support parameters on stack. You have to use PPCCallM68k() instead and write a small m68k-program, which put everything on the stack. The limitations of this method is that one have to know how many parameters a function has (eg. printf() and ioctl() don't have a fixed number) and it's not very fast. >Alex Holger From amigappc-dev-owner@amiga.com.pl Wed May 6 02:03:51 1998 Received: from server.fiber.net.pl (server.fiber.net.pl [195.117.208.101]) by amiga.com.pl (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA00269 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 01:49:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from giglio.iol.it ([195.210.91.87]) by server.fiber.net.pl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id AAA3D0D for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 00:01:51 +0200 Received: from iol-mail ([195.210.71.199]) by giglio.iol.it (Netscape Messaging Server 3.0) with SMTP id AAA15079 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 23:56:26 +0200 Received: by iol-mail.iol.it (Amiga SMTPpost 1.04 December 9, 1994) id AA01; Tue, 5 May 98 23:51:10 From: ggreco@iol.it (Gabriele Greco) Message-ID: <639984B9@iol.it> Subject: ixemul.library with ppc Date: 05 May 98 23:36:49 CET In-Reply-To: To: amigappc-dev@amiga.com.pl Reply-To: AmigaPPC developers' mailing list Sender: amigappc-dev-owner@amiga.com.pl Precedence: list Ciao Alexander, In un messaggio datato 04 May 98 scrivevi a All : AP> I'm trying to port kaffe and need some help. AP> Does anyone know, how to use ixemul.library functions with the ppc? AP> I thought of calling the library functions using CallOS, AP> but I haven't found an ixemul_lib.fd . There is an ixemul "bridge", I've not used it but I think you can use it to REPLACE ixemul.library. ixemulppc.lha 217199 ----rwed 11-Mar-98 01:04:29 : http://www.ph-cip.uni-koeln.de/~jakob/ixemul.lha Ciao, Gabry (ggreco@iol.it) From amigappc-dev-owner@amiga.com.pl Thu May 7 03:50:13 1998 Received: from mail-r1.shlink.de (mail-r1.shlink.de [194.64.6.19]) by amiga.com.pl (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA04811 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 03:41:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.shlink.de (194.64.6.3) by mail-r1.shlink.de with smtp (Smail3.2.0.101 #9) id m0yXFb6-00014XC; Thu, 7 May 1998 03:35:44 +0200 (MEST) To: amigappc-dev@amiga.com.pl Message-ID: <1UIW0MD5131aUz1@ark.news.wwbnet.de> From: ARK@News.wwbnet.de (Andreas R. Kleinert) Subject: Re: HUNK vs ELF Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 02:00:00 +0200 References: <3147.429T2709T9765433@kampsax.k-net.dk> Received: by News.wwbnet.de ; Wed, 06 May 1998 18:56:33 +0100 Received: by apg.wwbnet.de ; Wed, 06 May 1998 22:39:08 +0100 Reply-To: AmigaPPC developers' mailing list Sender: amigappc-dev-owner@amiga.com.pl Precedence: list You wrote at 05.05.1998/18:16:54: > A couple of incompatible versions of SAS/C runelf, two incompatible versions > my early ELF loader for librilc startup code, vbcc's ppcrun and Ralph > Schmidts PPCLoad. And then there's the one Holger Jakob uses for his ixemul > bridge. What's the likelyhood that this is a complete list? Well, simply let's declare the very oldest ones obsolete. > If your PPC startup code is compatible with the LoadSeg() patch, there is no > reason to risk that users dig up an old, obscure ELF loader and yell angrily > at you because loading your apps with it caused a crash at exactly the wrong > point in time. Well, if it's compatible with the latest RunElf *and* the LoadSegPatch *and* people really care to read docs, I can't see a problem at all. > For example, I'm planning to create separate versions optimised for 604's and > 603's, respectively. I'm not too likely to bother about an m68k version > unless there is huge demand. Well, what about xy.603.elf, then ;) > Equally well the user could read in the manual that it is a PPC ELF program, > but they don't have to if they have the LoadSeg() patch installed. > The common standard for program files on Amigas is to have no extension. True. Nevertheless do extensions have a tradition on Amiga as well, and loadable ELF modules *aren't* Amiga programs, anyway 8-) -- Andreas_Kleinert@t-online.de | ARK@amigaworld.com | Fido 2:2457/350.18 ARK@superview.ftn.neckar-alb.de | ARK@News.wwbnet.de | - *SuperView* - PerSuaSiVe SoftWorX - http://home.t-online.de/home/Andreas_Kleinert/ Image Engineer Registration Site Europe --- Software Engineering -- MicroDot 1.17beta3 registered From amigappc-dev-owner@amiga.com.pl Thu May 7 22:23:03 1998 Received: from server.fiber.net.pl (server.fiber.net.pl [195.117.208.101]) by amiga.com.pl (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA00469 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 22:06:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dci.iran.com ([195.200.224.5]) by server.fiber.net.pl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id AAA5E34 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 11:11:00 +0200 Received: from localhost (1342 bytes) by dci.iran.com via sendmail with P:stdio/R:bind_hosts/T:inet_zone_bind_smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 13:34:59 +0430 (IDT) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #5 built 1998-Apr-13) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 13:34:59 +0430 (IDT) From: Paymaan Jafari Taayemeh To: amigappc-dev@amiga.com.pl Subject: Steve is leaving?! ;( Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: AmigaPPC developers' mailing list Sender: amigappc-dev-owner@amiga.com.pl Precedence: list Sorry for writing this in here, but I thought i should ask this right here, among ppc developers (Sorry Marcin). Today I have read in the csa.programmer that steve doesn't continue supporting the SAS/C updates, so checked the SAS/C page and saw that he wrote this is the "end of an Era". I guess all of you will be sad like me when you hear that, but shouldn't we ask *our* great Steve why he doesn't? Is there anyway to solve the problem? I am realy sad, because this is the second time I get shocked because of SAS/C, first was when my order of 6.50 refused (sold out), and now the second has happend. We should do something, at this hard time for our machines, our friends!. Cheers, Paymaan. -- Paymaan Jafari, Hardware B.Sc. student, Azad University of Tehran. PALAPAL Amiga Programmers Group, Iran. http://www.ctools.pp.se/palapal/ Emails: palapal@ctools.pp.se (Developement), payman@ctools.pp.se (Private) Persian Language Administrator of ATO: ato-admin-persian@ato.vapor.com From amigappc-dev-owner@amiga.com.pl Mon May 25 14:04:15 1998 Received: from server.fiber.net.pl (server.fiber.net.pl [195.117.208.101]) by amiga.com.pl (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA00296 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 13:34:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from nevald.k-net.dk (nevald.k-net.dtu.dk [130.225.71.226]) by server.fiber.net.pl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with SMTP id AAA101F for ; Sat, 23 May 1998 23:26:38 +0200 Received: (qmail 3966 invoked from network); 23 May 1998 21:23:23 -0000 Received: from carlsberg.kampsax.dtu.dk (qmailr@192.38.212.2) by nevald.k-net.dtu.dk with SMTP; 23 May 1998 21:23:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 19597 invoked from network); 23 May 1998 21:23:22 -0000 Received: from k4315.kampsax.dtu.dk (rask@192.38.215.253) by carlsberg.kampsax.dtu.dk with SMTP; 23 May 1998 21:23:22 -0000 Received: from k4315.kampsax.dtu.dk (rask@192.38.215.253) by k4315.kampsax.dtu.dk with SMTP; 23 May 1998 21:22:25 -0000 Date: 23 May 98 22:44:03 +0200 From: "Rask Ingemann Lambertsen" Subject: Re: PPC - do we have a future now? To: "Amiga PowerPC developer mailing list" In-Reply-To: <355FE73B.10B332B1@auran.com> Message-ID: <1932.447T198T13643182@kampsax.k-net.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Reply-To: AmigaPPC developers' mailing list Sender: amigappc-dev-owner@amiga.com.pl Precedence: list Den 18-Maj-98 09:46:03 skrev Colin Ward fĝlgende om "Re: PPC - do we have a future now?": > Paymaan Jafari Taayemeh wrote: >> >> MY idea is one thing. The AI's new plan is for Wintel users, not for us. >> We will get no benefit other than decreasing our Amiga power, while >> PC users will be happy that got some of our technology (that will be a >> benefit for them). > No it's not. You have to think of things on a different level. Think > of your Amiga history... When the first Amiga was designed, there was > no hardware and no OS. They couldn't work on the OS on the Amiga > because the Amiga didn't yet exist. So they developed it on 68k Sparc 68k _Sun_ workstations, of course. The sparc is a RISC CPU. > Stations, which they obviously judged to be the best for the job at the > time. When the hardware was ready, the OS was too, and they married the > two and the Amiga was born. Had they not used the Sparc Stations it > would have taken ages more to finish the Amiga as they wouldn't have > been able to start the OS until the hardware was completely finshed! You are completely missing that at the time, Sun workstations were about the hottest things you could get. I doubt that they choose them because they had the same CPU, so as to save the CPU emulator. For example, remember that the Amiga port of UAE also uses CPU emulation, just as if it had been running on a non-m68k CPU. Regards, /ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻTŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ\ | Rask Ingemann Lambertsen | E-mail: mailto:rask@kampsax.k-net.dk | | Registered Phase5 developer | WWW: http://www.gbar.dtu.dk/~c948374/ | | A4000, 775 kkeys/s (RC5-64) | "ThrustMe" on XPilot, ARCnet and IRC | | To err is human, but to really mess things up you need a computer. | From amigappc-dev-owner@amiga.com.pl Mon May 25 14:05:10 1998 Received: from server.fiber.net.pl (server.fiber.net.pl [195.117.208.101]) by amiga.com.pl (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA00294 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 13:34:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no ([129.241.210.67]) by server.fiber.net.pl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with ESMTP id AAAFE5 for ; Sat, 23 May 1998 23:11:24 +0200 Received: from daneel.nvg.ntnu.no ([129.241.210.59] EHLO daneel.nvg.ntnu.no ident: kolla [port 56326]) by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49275-12139> convert rfc822-to-quoted-printable; Sat, 23 May 1998 23:06:20 +0200 Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 23:02:15 +0200 (CEST) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kolbj=F8rn_Barmen?= To: "AmigaPPC developers' mailing list" Subject: Re: OS4 (Mr K Barmen) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Reply-To: AmigaPPC developers' mailing list Sender: amigappc-dev-owner@amiga.com.pl Precedence: list On Sat, 23 May 1998, Johan Hofmeyer wrote: > >> Check first, then ask, next time. AWD. >=20 > >I already had checked AWD, but how could I know that this was the la= test > >news? > >:) >=20 > Please have a look at the H&P WWW area. You could also go the > www.cu-amiga.co.uk and have a look at their news section. OK, only those (imho vague) comments about it so far, nothing solid yet= :) > Btw, Kolbjorn (sorry about not have the Norwegian "o" character, I ju= st > have a Svensk keyboard. :-) are you running Linux PPC on your A3000? = =20 > If you are, would you be so kind as to e-mail me your kernel? :-) I=20 > have not had time to compile my own. (No, I am not lazy, just busy!) A quote from the Linux/m68k FAQ=20 (My very local mirror of it, on my own a12oo/Linux-m68k system=20 that has been running constantly for the last 263 days :) ) --- 10.47 Can I run Linux on my PowerUP card?=20 Yes, if you really know what you are doing. Jesper Skov writes: We released the first beta version of a Linux 2.1.79 port to Phase5's Amiga PowerUp hardware on January 29. A kernel image and kernel diffs (relative to linux-2.1.79-m68k) can be found at: =20 ftp://sunsite.auc.dk/local/os/linux/680x0/testing/apus/ =20 The kernel is still in a beta state and is not suitable for users. We just decided it was time that we got some feedback from other hackers - and to let everyone know that APUS (Amiga PowerUp Systems) support is a work in progress. =20 Incidently, the port has been at its current state for a couple of months, but we have had some problems with Phase5 which have now been resolved. Phase5 is very interested in seeing this port completed and has been very helpful lately. We appreciate this very much. =20 The APUS specific changes should be merged into the vger tree RSN. Progress reports will be posted on the m68k kernel list. =20 I will see to that the m68k FAQ is updated on this subject. Please refer people to www.linux-m68k.org. =20 Thanks! =20 JEsper on behalf of: =20 Roman Zippel : zippel@fh-brandenburg.de Jes Sorensen : Jes.Sorensen@cern.ch Jesper Skov : jskov@cygnus.co.uk --- And yes, it works nicely, supports my CV64 and all =3D) If what you want is a *real* OS for your PowerUP *now*, Linux is there = ;) Amazing what a bunch of students and geeks can come up with, eh? :) Kolbj=F8rn Barmen | a3k/o6o/6o4e/AmigaOS/MacOS/Linux-PPC | // = T e a m =20 | a12ooCT/o3o/Linux-m68k a6oo/o3o/AmigaOS | \XX/ A M= I G A=20 Nettverksgruppa | "I met the Amiga and fell in love..." | =BB=BB Norwegian University of Technology and Science =AB=AB= =20 From amigappc-dev-owner@amiga.com.pl Mon May 25 21:51:29 1998 Received: from mh2.cts.com (root@mh2.cts.com [205.163.24.68]) by amiga.com.pl (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA01552 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 21:35:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from king.cts.com (root@king.cts.com [198.68.168.21]) by mh2.cts.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA08893 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 12:33:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from crash.cts.com (root@crash.cts.com [192.188.72.17]) by king.cts.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA00232 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 12:33:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from outside.cts.com by crash.cts.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0ye2zl-00009tC; Mon, 25 May 98 12:33 PDT Message-Id: From: "David A. Newman" MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: To: "AmigaPPC developers' mailing list" Subject: Re: altivec Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 12:30:26 (-0800) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: AmigaPPC developers' mailing list Sender: amigappc-dev-owner@amiga.com.pl Precedence: list On Sat, 23 May 1998 16:43:17 -0700 (PDT), Fred Wright wrote about Re: altivec: > On Sat, 23 May 1998, Artur Muszynski wrote: > > > Just if somebody has missed news from Motorola: > > > > http://www.mot.com/SPS/PowerPC/AltiVec > > Thanks, looks interesting. I wonder if AI is paying attention. Probably little point. Even Motorola isn't pushing AltiVec to be the future direction for the PPC. It is a bit annoying really as it the first break in the IBM, Motorola partnership in the PowerPC architecture. You know it is really just MMX for PPC, SIMD (single instruction multiple data) don't offer that much to Intel (other than I great promotion). Motorola intends this device for DSP applications to take on the TI C60. These are not totally my opinions but those from EETimes. -- David A Newman dan@cts.com (Home) Applied Magic Inc dan@amagic.com (Work) Producer Tools http://www.free.cts.com/crash/d/dan/