From: gnoel@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (George Noel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc Subject: Re: No more hints, no more clues. Date: 6 Aug 1997 06:36:35 GMT Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland Lines: 84 Sender: gnoel@plato.ucs.mun.ca Message-ID: <5s961j$crb$1@coranto.ucs.mun.ca> References: <11100.7156T751T158@mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plato.ucs.mun.ca Path: 195.95.96.2!news.unisource.be!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!ubnnews.unisource.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-hh.maz.net!unlisys!fu-berlin.de!news.apfel.de!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!torn!garnet.nbnet.nb.ca!news.unb.ca!coranto.ucs.mun.ca!morgan.ucs.mun.ca!gnoel In article <11100.7156T751T158@mindspring.com>, Timothy Rue wrote: >>Tim, I missed the first parts of this and have been watching now for about >>a month. I understand the problem is some conflict between you and Carl >>Sassenrath? Can you enlighten me. This is Tim's perception of it but it really shouldn't be the case. Tim's conflict was just the product of bad timing. >>I was very dissappointed in Carl's behavior both as a rep of VisCorp's and Didn't really see any problems there. >>when he quit them. He acted childish and hateful to many who believed in >>him. I did disagree with what happened when he left them.. he said some stuff which was true but really, he shouldn't have said it. Carl seemed to me from the start to be the type of person who couldn't hang around a place for too long anyways. In this situation though, it was good he left when he did. VIScorp blew things bigger then Commodore did. I still have a lot of respect for him though. > Again, this is bigger than just Carl's work but actually goes into the >evolution of the ICOA and involves guite a few people. It's not a [SNIP] >Instutite in support of this. Actually not only was this not the first >time I had mentioned "open systems" but it was these postings and other >works of mine (web pages) that helped inspired the evolution of the ICOA >from what ever it was before (ARISE, Secondwind, IRCs, emails?), it's just >that nobody wants to admit it. This absoluetly false. > There's even more to all of what has been going on. There is a big >picture, but from all I have seen there is no longer even a small hint >that I might receive something better than nothing in return. Fact is, it's >clear that if I give anything more I'll receive only more of build-up to >the put-downs and discredit illusion being created against me by others. Didn't you want the VIC to be freeware with source code available anyways? so what else would you get from it besides the recognition for coming up with the idea? >And who am I to compete with so many that are jumping on the bandwagons >being lead by those who have "status" in the Amiga community that enables >them to get others to blindly follow. I do not blindly follow those people who have some status in the community and over the past few years have disagreed with a lot of them and what they have presented. However, though I do see some of your points, I do not agree with your overall tone and false accusations being brought forward here either. This has gone way beyond you wanting to create something that will be the betterment of the computing world and until such a time you can sit down with some programmers to actually explain to them your ideas and they help you get the VIC wrote, you are wasting your time. Forget Carl, forget Dave Haynie, Jason Compton, VIScorp, arise, second-wind, JMS and ICOA. Get the VIC wrote and then come back and talk to us. > I've stated that I see the big picture, that I know what the answers >and solutions are. Others claim I don't but how would they really know. I see you being the computing world's equivalent to Karl Marx.. you have a great idea but one that will probably never come into play. >I guess if I had a message for the Amiga community it would be: No more >hints, no more clues, you've proven time and again that you don't have the >capacity to get it right anyway due the mental blocks your dishonesty >and/or blind following has caused you. And what could be better proof than Tim, your idea is not limited to the Amiga community and it is YOU that can't get it right. You have great typing and wording skills and for all I know, you are probably a good orator but you are not a good teacher in order to get people to understand what you are saying. > Timothy Rue Email: timrue@mindspring.com -=*George*=-