From NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu Sun Aug 23 02:44:59 1992 Return-Path: Received: from mackay.mpce.mq.edu.au by ipc04.mpce.mq.edu.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00142; Sat, 22 Aug 92 16:44:58 GMT Received: from mitvma.mit.edu by mackay.mpce.mq.edu.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28434; Sun, 23 Aug 92 02:44:49 EST Message-Id: <9208221644.AA28434@mackay.mpce.mq.edu.au> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9275; Sat, 22 Aug 92 12:45:02 EDT Received: by MITVMA (Mailer R2.08 R208004) id 8459; Sat, 22 Aug 92 12:44:59 EDT Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1992 19:00:00 JST Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu Sender: Japanese Language Discussion List From: Kishiko Ozaki Subject: Re: My name in Kanji. X-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu To: Murray Gilbert In-Reply-To: <9208171326.AA21501@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU> Status: O こんにちわ！ I'm Japanese female. I guess I have better suggestions for your name in Kanji. Your idea '浩早　馬蛙駆 ' is not bad, but it still looks to me that you're Chinese or such. How about these; 幸作　麻亜来 香咲　真阿久 高砂　磨亜玖 鴻咲　麻阿究 広早　真亜貢 Anyways, there are lots of combinations. I recomend you 鴻咲　真亜久 or 幸作　真亜究. You may like to convert first name or second name either way. My friend has 持夢 for his first name. I've been thinking his family name in Kanji for his birthday gift. It's TOUGH! His family name is Gottlieb. I guess you are lucky. I'm sending you Kanji in Jis code. Please let me know if you would find your name in Kanji. Sorry about my terrible English. では、では。 Have a nice day! ーー 貴志子 -- In Japan: kishiko@tanpopo.info.juice.or.jp International: kishiko@tanpopo.info.com From NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu Mon Aug 24 11:15:34 1992 Return-Path: Received: from mackay.mpce.mq.edu.au by ipc04.mpce.mq.edu.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00968; Mon, 24 Aug 92 01:15:32 GMT Received: from mitvma.mit.edu by mackay.mpce.mq.edu.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03895; Mon, 24 Aug 92 11:15:22 EST Message-Id: <9208240115.AA03895@mackay.mpce.mq.edu.au> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1496; Sun, 23 Aug 92 21:15:40 EDT Received: by MITVMA (Mailer R2.08 R208004) id 7102; Sun, 23 Aug 92 21:15:38 EDT Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 10:12:07 JST Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu Sender: Japanese Language Discussion List From: "John B. Melby" Subject: Re: My name in Kanji. X-To: nihongo@mitvma.mit.edu To: Murray Gilbert Status: O >Anyways, there are lots of combinations. I recomend you 鴻咲　真亜久 >or 幸作　真亜究. Any transcription of "Mark" that kanjifies the "a" looks quite bizarre in my opinion. How about the Chinese transcription 馬克 or possibly something like 真久? >My friend has 持夢 for his first name. I've been thinking >his family name in Kanji for his birthday gift. It's TOUGH! His >family name is Gottlieb. How about a literal translation (神愛)? As far as I'm concerned, I haven't really seriously "Moribe Jun"-ified my name yet. Something that reads equally well in Chinese and Japanese would be nice, but I haven't really thought up anything very clever. ----- John B. Melby Fujitsu Limited, Yokohama melby%yk.fujitsu.co.jp@fai.com From NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu Mon Aug 24 14:06:40 1992 Return-Path: Received: from mackay.mpce.mq.edu.au by ipc04.mpce.mq.edu.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00201; Mon, 24 Aug 92 04:06:39 GMT Received: from mitvma.mit.edu by mackay.mpce.mq.edu.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04499; Mon, 24 Aug 92 14:06:25 EST Message-Id: <9208240406.AA04499@mackay.mpce.mq.edu.au> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1906; Mon, 24 Aug 92 00:06:39 EDT Received: by MITVMA (Mailer R2.08 R208004) id 9220; Mon, 24 Aug 92 00:06:37 EDT Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1992 00:04:52 TZONE Reply-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu Sender: Japanese Language Discussion List From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: My name in Kanji. X-To: NIHONGO@mitvma.mit.edu To: Murray Gilbert In-Reply-To: <9208240114.AA21139@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU> Status: O I use 栗栖真久 which is intended to be read as Kurisu Ma(a)ku (the long `a' is implied). This has the advantage that most Japanese would read it as a modern-style of the masculine name Kurisu Ma(sa)hisa (with an implied `sa'); thus it is believable as the name of `a guy living next door.' Kurisu is a known Japanese surname; not one of the most common but still recognizable. Adding a represention for `pin' in my English name would have made the results look comical to the average Japanese. The characters: 栗 (kun-yomi kuri) = `chestnut' 栖 (kun-yomi su) = simplification of 棲, `roost' 真 (on-yomi ma) = `truth' 久 (on-yomi ku, kun-yomi hisa) = `long time'/`eternity' Thus, these characters have a good meaning, which is also important for a name. The implied `a' or `sa' would look strange in a traditional name, but is alright for modern-style. General recommendations: 1) Consult with native Japanese friends. Certain combinations will appear comical or absurd, and should be avoided at all costs. 2) Do not worry about excessive correspondence to your English name or your name in its katakana representation. 3) Be concerned about the meaning of the characters, and whether or not they convey a masculine or feminine appearance as appropriate. For example, men should avoid 子, 美, 江, or 代; women should avoid 雄, 男, 良 (although 良子 isn't unheard of), 介, 吉, or 郎. Of course, exceptions exist... Anyway, I think 真久 are good characters to use for `Mark'. There are not many suitable characters to use here. I certainly wouldn't mind if other Marks used them...