Xref: ghost.dsi.unimi.it comp.os.mach:1657 news.answers:3047 Newsgroups: comp.os.mach,news.answers Path: ghost.dsi.unimi.it!batcomputer!caen!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!news.sei.cmu.edu!po1!boone From: boone@psc.edu (Jon Boone) Subject: comp.os.mach.FAQ Message-ID: <1992Sep22.014554.18002@psc.edu> Followup-To: comp.os.mach Supersedes: <1992Sep9.030023.12840@psc.edu> Reply-To: iain+@cmu.edu Organization: Pittsburgh SuperComputing Center, Pittsburgh, PA, USA Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1992 01:45:54 GMT Approved: news-answers-request@MIT.EDU Expires: Mon, 2 Nov 1992 00:00:00 GMT Lines: 278 Archive-name: comp-os-mach-faq ----- COMP.OS.MACH FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS (FAQ) +++++ +++++ maintained by Jon "Iain" Boone ----- ----- send any additions and/or correctionst to +++++ +++++ iain+@andrew.cmu.edu ----- Sometimes a question you have is asked so often that many people who have been following a group for a while know the answer and asking the question might generate an unusually large number of replies. In order to save net.bandwidth as well as to provide a usefull source of answers for some of the more basic questions, the following list of Frequently Asked Questions is presented. 1) Where can I get a release of Mach for my machine? 2) What 386/486 boards does Mach 3.0 run on? 3) How easy is it to install MACH? 4) What about NeXT OS? 5) What about OSF/1? 6) What about the GNU HURD? 7) What are some books I can read to find out about MACH? 8) When will the 4.4 BSD Unix single server be ready? ANSWERS: 1) Where can I get a release of Mach for my machine? MACH 3.0: This is only the micro-kernel - no filesystem, no ttys, no nothing. To get the rest, you need to have some type of source license for BSD -> which implies a source license from AT&T . The sources for the Mach 3.0 distribution can be obtained via uucp, ftp, sup and afs. In order to recieve them via uucp, the normal uunet mechanism for retrieving source or call 1-900-GOT-SRCS (login ``uucp'' - no passwd) and retrieve files with the uucp command - the cost is $0.40(US) per minute on your phone bill. For questions about the uunet service, send them to info@uunet.uu.net. The preferred method of distribution is via a program called SUP. If you use SUP, you can retrieve files which require a AT&T license, which you can not get through either uucp, ftp or afs. To find out more about SUP, send mail to mach@cs.cmu.edu. You can get the sources and other interesting info over afs from the directory /afs/cs.cmu.edu/project/mach/public/src. The same sources can be obtained via anonymous ftp from the following places: US: username:anonymous passwd: @ cmu: mach.cs.cmu.edu (128.2.209.192) in /usr/mach/public/src uunet: ftp.uu.net (137.39.1.2) in packages/mach JAPAN: username:ftp passwd: YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS sh.wide.ad.jp (133.4.11.11) in MACH ftp.dit.co.jp (133.156.1.1) in pub/MACH ftp.mei.co.jp (132.182.49.2) in mach ftp.cs.titech.ac.jp (131.112.16.39) FINLAND: username:anonymous passwd:@ nic.funet.fi (128.214.6.100) in pub/mach/Mach3.0 Mary Thompson writes: Both docmuments and sources for Mach are now available from the same machine and subdirectory. To find out what is available use the following instructions: Ftp to mach.cs.cmu.edu (128.2.209.192), as "anonymous", at the password prompt send your Username@site (you must include the "@" or the login will fail). Then "cd /usr/mach/public". You can then use the standard ftp commands, e.g. get, ls with relative path names for the files. The FAQ directory contains answers to frequently asked questions. The doc dirctory (and its subdirectories) contain technical reports and some papers. The src directory contains the part of the Mach 3.0 kernel sources that are available without licenses The sup directory has sources and docmumentation for our Software Update Protocol program. The conferences directory has annoucements of up-coming conferences or courses pertaining to Mach. MACH 2.5: A Mach 2.5 distribution is available for the IBM RT, PC-AT clones, Vaxen and Sun3's from Mt. Xinu. This is a complete source distribution including a BSD 4.3-tahoe utility set. This requires an AT&T source license. Mt. Xinu also has a product known as Mach386, which runs on PC-AT clones (386, 486 or 386SX cpu). It is a binary-only distribution which contains ``Mach 2.5 kernel and utilities'', ``4.3 BSD interface'', ``GNU utilities (GCC, GDB, GAS, EMACS,BISON)'' and ``on-line reference manuals (man pages) for Mach and 4.3 BSD.'' Optional modules for Networking, X and On-line Documentation (source) are available. Mt. Xinu claims that it runs on ``most of the common AT-bus IBM PCs and compatibles such as Compaq, Intel, Olivetti, Toshiba and Hewlett-Packard.'' The X11 is a complete R4, including 8-bit color and support for many extended VGA cards, basedon the work by Roell. For further information, contact mtxinu-mach@mtxinu.com (email) or 1+(510)-644-0146. Tenon Intersystems has a product known as MachTen. MachTen is an implementation of Berkeley's 4.3BSD Unix, built on a Carnegie Mellon Mach 2.5 foundation. MachTen runs as an application on the native Macintosh Operating System (MacOS). Included with MachTen are Unix programs and a Mach kernel. The kernel supports a standard Unix applications environment which includes over 300 standard Unix applications. That environment also allows all standard Macintosh programs, such as a Macintosh spreadsheet or desk accessory application, to run simultaneously with Unix programs. MachTen extends MacOS with true Unix multitasking, full internet communications, a distributed file system via NFS, and a Unix software development environment. MachTen does not currently support Macintosh System 7, but support for System 7 will be available early in 1992 as a free upgrade. MachTen runs on all modern Macintoshes, MacPlus through Mac IIfx. For further information, contact info@tenon.com (email) or 1+(800) 662-2410. 2) What 386/486 boards does Mach 3.0 run on? George Scott writes: Gateway 486/33 (works great with factory hardware) Micronics motherboard AT&T 6386WGS (factory ESDI hard drive controller does not work!) Olivetti/AT&T proprietary 3) How easy is it to install MACH? 4) What about NeXT OS? Avie Tevanian of NeXT writes: NeXT started with the Mach 2.0 sources and have picked up most of the Mach 2.5 and beyond kernel fixes, except for external pagers. The NeXT environment includes all of Unix and goes well beyond supporting object oriented programs and lots of fancy graphics. It is possible to get the machine-independent kernel sources as well as all the library and environment sources from NeXT. Only the machine-dependent sources such as device drivers are unavailable. From Carrick Talmadge clt@physics.purdue.edu The latest NeXT price lists reportedly shows: N5515 NeXT 2.0 Mach Source Release on Floppies $10,000 [$5000 for educational institutions]. I am led to understand that this includes the various licensing fees. 5) What about OSF/1? The Open Software Foundation releases a version of Mach that starts from the Mach 2.5 kernel sources. They incorporated the University of Guelph's NFS implementation and have expanded the user environment from straight BSD4.3 to include some System V features and Motif. From: Nick dokos Grace Perez has left OSF, so sending mail to grace@osf.org won't work. For more information on pricing, availability etc. of OSF/1, contact OSF Direct Channels, direct@osf.org, +1 617 621 7300. From: Joseph Boykin OSF distributes and supports two source platforms: The Encore Multimax and DecStation 3100. They also distribute a number of "contributed ports". That is, companies which have done ports of OSF/1 to various architectures and are willing to ship it, but which OSF does not support. The OSF/1 tape includes support for: HP/Apollo's 68030 (Dn2500) i860 Clipper (Series 6000 workstation w/C300 processor) OSF will ship a 386 version, but they're still working on it. 6) What about the GNU HURD? From Michael I Bushnell : The GNU Hurd (`Hurd' is an acronym, but its meaning is not public yet) [Hurd has subsequently been defined as a set of mutually recursive acronyms: Hurd stands for "Hird of Unix-Replacing Daemons" and Hird stands for Hurd of Interfaces Representing Depth" - iain ] is a set of servers which, in combination with the GNU C Library, will provide Posix and BSD functionality on top of the Mach 3.0 microkernel. The initial target is the i386, with the pmax probably following shortly thereafter. The Hurd is still in development, but those interested in discussing various aspects of it are welcome to join the hurd-folks mailing list. To join the list or find out how to get the current sources, send mail to hurd-folks-request@gnu.ai.mit.edu. Right now there is not a lot of work that can be done by people outside the FSF, but those who are interested in having the Hurd ultimately run on their machine would help a lot by writing free ports of the 3.0 microkernel. Contact mach@cs.cmu.edu for information on doing this; CMU coordinates these efforts. -mib 7) What are some books I can read to find out about MACH? Information about Mach can be found in the following books: -------------------------------------------------------- Operating Systems Concepts A. Silberschatz, J.L Peterson, P.B. Galvin Addison-Wesley Publishing Company, 3rd Edition 1991 Chapter 16, pages 597-628 is about Mach. -------------------------------------------------------- Distributed Operating Systems: The Logical Design A. Goscinski Addison-Wesley Publishers., 1991 Chapter 14.8, pages 864-888 is about Mach ------------------------------------------------------- Not out yet, but promised The Design of the Mach Operating system N. Bitar, A. Langermann and E. Sheinbrood to be published by Prentice-Hall. -------------------------------------------------------- 8) When will the 4.4 BSD Unix single server be ready? CMU is working on a 4.4 BSD Unix single server to run under MACH 3.0. Currently, it is scheduled for release in the late spring. /*****************************************************************************/ /* Jon Boone Network Systems Administrator Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center */ /* boone@psc.edu iain+@cmu.edu I'm a member of the LPF, how 'bout you? */ /* I don't speak for anyone other than myself, unless otherwise stated. */ /*****************************************************************************/