The .30-30 Winchester (or "thutty-thutty") was the first smokeless powder cartridge, and was designed specifically for the 1894 Winchester rifle, the most long-lived of that series of lever-action rifles memorialized in the Hollywood western. The .30-30 achieved great popularity as a basic, inexpensive deer cartridge. Because of the strong association with these older lever rifles, the .30-30's reputation for accuracy has suffered a bit, but when chambered in a high-quality bolt-action or single-shot rifle, it will hold groups as tight as the best. The .30-30 Winchester is usually encountered with flat-nose bullets, because of the tubular magazines of all of the above-noted lever-action rifles... a round- or sharp-pointed bullet might act as a "firing pin" during recoil for the cartridge in front. The .30 Remington is basically a rimless version of the .30-30 Winchester, with virtually identical ballistics.