Abduction Digest, Number 83 Thursday, January 7th 1993 (C) Copyright 1992 Paranet Information Service. All Rights Reserved. Today's Topics: Re: Abduction Digest 81 Delaware Talk False abductees ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: uu3.psi.com!david Subject: Re: Abduction Digest 81 Date: 29 Dec 92 03:24:16 GMT From: David L Jarvis Directed to David Jacobs: Greetings David ... I'd like to comment on a few replies you've posted to other individuals ... I'll state my intentions up front, intelligent debate, period ... I do consider myself a skeptic, but in the true nature of the word I am very open-minded and do not allow the beliefs/values of others fog my analysis (scientists telling us all 'it isn't possible' etc) So with that ... + From: David.Jacobs@p0.f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (David Jacobs) + Subject: Linda case + Date: 7 Dec 92 07:25:50 GMT + + John, + Unfortunately, Budd does not have a book contract at the present time but he + is busy trying to put the enormous complexity of the case into logical order + in order to publish it. This is a case that deserves a book to do it justice + and I hope that he eventually does publish it. He is coming out with an Stand on the other side of that statement, say, from the perspective of someone not involved in the field other than as a consumer (but someone who is trying to research and find some answers). Do you hear how that sounds??? 'This case deserves a book ...' Sure it does, but is that the motive for keeping quiet about it all? Why is it the only way someone like me gets to learn anything about this field called UFOlogy is by buying your books? (or subscribing to any one of the numerous magazines/journals, one of which you list below) + article in the next (?) MUFON UFO JOURNAL on one of the witnesses to the event. + After that, I hope that he can publish the material as a book. Budd has spent + nearly two years researching this case. The amount of time and energy he has + put into it have been enormous. As all serious UFO researchers know, you do + not go into this line of endeavor to get rich. Really now? So, publishing books, making the rounds as guest speaker for all the UFO conferences, special-guest tv appearances, lectures, magazine articles ... all that, is for what? If it *wasn't* to make money, then why won't Budd come out public (read: free) with all the information about this case? Why wait to publish a book about it? Again, from the 'consumer' point of view (at least from one who's even minutely aware), it looks pretty obvious. On another topic, I've always wanted to ask you and Budd a question: Do you perform hypnosis/regression on possible abductees yourselves? I understand that Budd is an artist/sculptor (?) and you are a History professor, so my obvious question was, what qualifications do either of you have to not only extract and extrapolate, but also to interpret the information contained in the minds of your subject? (if I remember my reading of Hopkins 'Intruders' he indicated he performed hypnosis on subjects himself) Best Regards, #----------------------------------------------------------------------# # David L. Jarvis SOFTWARE / # # david@dynamix.com / DYNAMIX # #----------------------------------------------------------------------# -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anson.Kennedy@p0.f25.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Anson Kennedy) Subject: Delaware Talk Date: 30 Dec 92 05:57:00 GMT [This is also to David Jacobs.] Regarding the "wiring" of abductees in order to obtain hard data of an abduction: I've seen that David Jacobs (and others) have noted that whenever monitoring equipment is used on abductees, the abductions stop. Then, when the equipment is removed (or turned off, or malfunctions - for whatever reason) the abductions start up again. I can think of two explanations for this phenomenon: The (alleged) aliens are aware of the monitoring attempts and do not abduct people when they could be "caught in the act;" or the abductees monitored are not actually being abducted, that is their abductions are psychological manifestations (fantasy-proneness or whatever). First, if you (or anyone else) can think of any other possibilities, I'd be interested in hearing them. Second, I have a suggestion which may help eliminate or confirm the second possibility (that the abductions in question are psychological). Has any attempt been made to monitor an abductee without his (or her) knowledge, i.e. with "hidden cameras?" One approach *might* be to have two cameras, one the abductee knows about and one of which he is unaware. Then the first camera can be disconnected, with the abductee's knowledge (and with some plausible pretense), and the second one left active. If he then reports an abduction which the second camera did not record, then it would seem safe to state that the event was fantasy. If, on the other hand, he reports an abduction and it *is* recorded, then that would be the ever-so-elusive proof. If, on the third hand :-) , he reports no abduction, then the test is inconclusive. The main problem I have with this expriment is the idea of deceiving the subject. However, I can think of no easy way of settling the issue of monitoring otherwise. Comments? --- Anson -- Anson Kennedy - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Anson.Kennedy@p0.f25.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David.Jacobs@p0.f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (David Jacobs) Subject: False abductees Date: 30 Dec 92 08:09:43 GMT Jim, sorry for the delay in ansering your Dec. 6, messsage. I fully agree that we need to know more about those people who claim to be abductees and who are not. You will be doing us all an important service by publishing your material about this case. We have to learn to separate the wheat from the chaff by rigorous methods. Congratulations on the excellent leg work that you have put forward for your case! -- David Jacobs - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: David.Jacobs@p0.f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG ******************************************************************************* Submissions abduct@scicom.alphacdc.com Administrative requests abduct-request@scicom.alphacdc.com FTP archive grind.isca.uiowa.edu:/info/paranet/abduct Permission to distribute Michael.Corbin@paranet.org Private mail to Paranet/Fidonet users firstname.lastname@paranet.org UUCP gateway {ncar,isis,csn}!scicom ********************End**of**the**Abduction**Newsletter************************