Abduction Digest, Number 50 Tuesday, March 3rd 1992 (C) Copyright 1992 Paranet Information Service. All Rights Reserved. Today's Topics: Personal Experience Re: Your Wildcat! implant? Book Review ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill.Skiles@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bill Skiles) Subject: Personal Experience Date: 28 Feb 92 03:46:00 GMT Well, I spoke with John Hicks a little bit and he said that maybe I should talk with you. I have debated it for a while and I guess I'll just take the plunge. My name is Bill Skiles and I think I may have had an experience. I am not going to say that I was Abducted or anything for sure but I have been reading your messages and I feel that you can ask me your questions and maybe I can put this thing to rest. I have had several sightings of UFO's since I was a kid and used to be interested in them as a kid. I forgot all about them until about two years ago. I had a sighting about that time. I didn't think too much about it but, I went on about my business. Well, last summer, I went down to the Everglades here in Florida. I had the usual day that one has on an airboat. Just good fun. That night, I was having a hard time falling asleep because of the humidity. As I lay there, tossing and turning, I was not asleep. My wife was lying asleep next to me and our foster some on the bunk across the way. Both of them were asleep. I just lay there and tried to settle down, I has my eyes closed. Suddenly I felt or heard someone in the room. I opened my eyes or maybe one eye I can't remember, but I saw three (3) figures, or robes or some kind of cloth on three figures float or glide past my bed. I can not recall any heads or faces. Yes, it was pretty dark, no lights on but I should have been able to see there faces. Anyway what I did see was a very bright green-blue ball of light that was on the tip of a stick or (like a pointing stick) with a ball of light about the size of a cigarrett cherry. I can't really describe this. Let's see. Maybe twice the size of a cigarrett cherry. (I forgot to tell you, I had turned around to where my head was at the foot of the bed because that's where the fan was.) Anyway, this light floated down past me to where the head of the bed was and stopped for a second. But then it came back and stopped DIRECTLY in front of my eyes. I had the impression that it was looking for me. What was strange to me is that I just lay there, immobile, not moving. I remember having the thought that I will just lay here and maybe "they" won't know I'm awake. But, that's crazy, cause normally I would say, who is it! I would get up, I would be startled! Nope, I just lay there like a kid (I'm 38) like a kid thinking if I lay real still it will be all right. Anyway, That's it. That's all I remember. The next morning my wife was acting very strange. She was almost in a panic to leave the place. You would have to know her. She is never in a panic. I've seen her handle very explosive kids (We're theraputic foster parents), I've seen here de-esculate kids that I was afraid to get too near. She doesn't scare easy. But that morning she made us leave a day earlier than we had planned. She was scared of something, although she said she wanted to check on her elderly grandmother. I just don't buy it. The reason that I want to talk with you or send messages is because since then I have been reading some books on this subject. (I know I probably messed up any accurate analysis, I've filled my mind up some). But at any rate I was reading about Betty and Barney Hill and I just thought that I would check my body out one night a couple months ago. I found a scar that I've never had before, It is about 5" and runs from my groin area up around my thigh. I have never had any surgery unless you count tonsills. I am kinda scared about this. That is to say, If it is a scar. (Could be a stretch mark but the wife says, uh uh, no way it's a scar. I'm too scared to go find out and anyway where could I go. (Ahem, excuse me Doctor could you tell me if this is a scar, I don't remember any surgery, sounds kinda nuts). I was gonna wait until I found out for sure about the scar, before I bothered you Dr. Jacobs but It's gettin to me. I feel kinda violated and angry and like what gives them the right! That kinda stuff. So, I don't have space to go into the other sightings now (several) since I was a kid. My sister remembers some too. But maybe you can clear it all up and tell me that it was just in my head. Maybe just an active imagination after reading a couple books. I'm not comfortable at all right now. Can you help me? Please don't brush me off right now as I haven't been able to talk to anyone. At least wait until you find out that I'm really basically normal. Thanks for your time. P.S. I am usually pretty stable, yes I do have other pressures right now, ex-wife suing for 30,000 sort of stuff. But I've never been known to have serious problems (mentally). Don't drink, no drugs. Not into New Age or any religion. Don't much like church. Do believe in God. That's all I can think of. Oh, very happily married. Sorry to be so long winded. Bill Skiles -- Bill Skiles - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bill.Skiles@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Danny.Brandenburg@p0.f1.n606.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Danny Brandenburg) Subject: Re: Your Wildcat! Date: 28 Feb 92 08:36:43 GMT Sue... My Wildcat! board can be contacted at (606) 255-5739. I think you will find several things of interest there (ie. the religious area and the paranormal/religious file areas). Leave me a message when you get there and I will upgrade your security. Brandenburg -- Danny Brandenburg - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Danny.Brandenburg@p0.f1.n606.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sheldon Wernikoff) Subject: implant? Date: 29 Feb 92 05:49:01 GMT I am currently examining an x-ray photograph sent to me by Steve Jones of Elverta, California, which exhibits a possible implant residing within a living subject. The image measures approximately 2.5mm in diameter, and contains six barb-like projections extending roughly .75mm from the apparently spherical surface. The barbs are equidistant from each other, at angles of about 60 degrees. The object appears to lie at the upper edge of the pelvis, in the vicinity of the spleen. My question is, does anyone know of any reports of a similarly configured implant, and if so, could you please cite complete references to specific cases. Any help would be greatly appreciated, Sheldon -- Sheldon Wernikoff - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Book Review Date: 28 Feb 92 13:56:00 GMT Dave: The following informal review of your book appeared on the GEnie network, courtesy of Brent Wilcox. Jim =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= PSINET Category 2, Topic 2 Message 51 Fri Feb 21, 1992 B.WILCOX5 [Brent Wilcox] at 02:25 EST [...] As for Jacobs, his book is provocative to say the least... ==WARNING: Rampant SPECULATION Zone Ahead == (Pages and Pages...) He develops a generic scenario for "real" abductions, and is careful to distance himself and the abduction phenomena from other aspects of Ufology, especially "contactees" (whom he generally ridicules based on the more flamboyant and publicity-seeking). I think abductees and contactees are two sides of the same coin, but Jacobs tries to present abductions as a relatively new and perhaps unique phenomena. Mostly, this is an understandable attempt to focus attention on it and study it in its own terms, to show that there is a physically real phenomenon involving non-human entities. But there are some strongly non-physical or paraphysical elements in the scenario he develops, and numerous psychological aspects he discards or glosses over to emphasize the physicality. Two points come to mind -- folklore and stigmata (and physical effects found in some multiple personality cases, too). He discounts the folkloric element of abductions, on the one hand to assert that they are =not= urban folklore. Fine. But he discards possible traditional folkloric parallels because the individuals in his cases are simply not storytellers, that they aren't connected to the evolving body of folklore in any direct way, and don't seek publicity for their experiences. But books like his and Hopkins', (let alone the upcoming TV version of Intruders) inevitably generate folklore, and are inevitably linked to the evolving process he tries to avoid. And he overlooks the possibilty that traditional folklore may have grown from half-recalled abduction experiences, or the cover memories he says the "entities" routinely plant. In fact, manipulating a culture's folklore may be a more powerful, more subtle and long-lasting, tool than manipulating newspaper headlines. He emphasises the extreme mental control the "entities" have over the abductees during the process -- they can play the human nervous system like a piano, perhaps even re-tune it. My own thoughts keep coming back to that aspect. For one thing, how can he say for sure that the scenario he's uncovered isn't itself a planted memory? He rightly points out that "normal" cases of stigmata occur in people with high levels of conscious, religious belief, yet abductees develop physical symptoms (scars, rashes) without any conscious belief-system. The deep mental manipulation involved makes me wonder if "belief-free" stigmata could be generated. I've read of people having allergic reactions under hypnosis without an allergen present, and developing blisters from objects that aren't hot. And persons with multiple personality disorder can have allergic reactions when an allergic personality is dominant. He may be correct that folklore, multiple personalities, and stigmata (and the many other non-pysical explanations he rejects) can't explain abductions in themselves as they are presently understood. But there may be psycho-physical mechanisms involved in those that are also involved in abductions. He states outright near the beginning that the entities intentions are "reproductive" in nature, involving interspecies genetic experimentation. But the scenario he develops still strikes me as some sort of "Abduction Theater", and that the entities intentions are more likely psychological than biological or genetic. The physical examinations may be important for the psychological results of being so examined. The whole experience may be preparation for the "messages" and the psychological aftereffects (for the abductees and the culture in general). Though to finally answer your question, Bubba, he doesn't really cover the "messages" in any detail, in part because I think he's afraid of having his people sound like "contactees", and because he's more interested in the medical and biological motifs. The "presentations" abductees get after the physical exams -- which include general warnings of ecological or nuclear disaster -- are treated sparingly if at all. Biologist Richard Dawkins (I hope I have his name right!) came up with the concept of the "meme" as the human cultural equivalent of the "gene", and proposed that memetic evolution was now more important to the human species than genetic evolution. "Memes" are basically ideas and beliefs shared by groups of humans, and arrangments of memes are what define differences in human cultures. And "memes" compete as "genes" do. Is the genetic motif a "theatrical" metaphor for the memetic manipulation that's actually going on? == Now Leaving SPECULATION Zone = Have A Nice Day! == Phew! ---------- -- Jim Speiser - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG ******************************************************************************** For permission to reproduce or redistribute this digest, contact: DOMAIN Michael.Corbin@paranet.org UUCP scicom!paranet.org!Michael.Corbin ****************A**B**D**U**C**T**I**O**N****D**I**G**E**S**T******************* Submissions UUCP {ncar,isis,csn}!scicom!abduct Submissions DOMAIN abduct@scicom.alphacdc.com Admin Address abduct-request@shemtaia.weeg.uiowa.edu Mail to private Paranet/Fidonet addresses from the newsletters: DOMAIN firstname.lastname@paranet.org UUCP scicom!paranet.org!firstname.lastname ****************A**B**D**U**C**T**I**O**N****D**I**G**E**S**T*******************