========================== ufo/aliens #188, from Cix_UseNet, 4688 chars, May 28 05:58 91 -------------------------- TITLE: Re: >>I want to contact some real-live extra-terrestrials! +From : davidj@wrs.com (David Jones) +Subject : Re: >>I want to contact some real-live extra-terrestrials! --->>> Re: harryo@cbnewse.att.com (harold.r.holm) >>> Would a trip to just North West of Las Vegas near Area-51 or S-4 count >>> on the strange ship part? I know that doesn't speak for who is in control >>> of a specific ship, but it might still be fun? Go to the Dulce area for >>> catching some other(dangerous?) action? >Are these some sort of military area designations? Are they near air- >bases ("secret", or otherwise)? Exactly how far from Las Vegas are >they? Near some town(s) or junction(s)? How does one get there by >auto? Are these also (military) restricted areas (i.e., if you're >found where you're not supposed to be, you are either escorted out >or detained at gunpoint)?? What sort of 'dangerous' action is referred >to here---reported abductions? Shot at or harrassed by the locals/ >authorities/military? Better to go at night or during the day (or >not at all)?? Any local "guides" or contacts in these areas? > If you get a map of Nevada look for Nellis Air Force Base you will notice that it covers a wide area, and is north of Las Vegas. At the top of Nellis is an area called Groom Lake. At Groom Lake is a very highly classified military area called Area 51. In order to get to Area 51, you would usually need a classification of Majestic (MAJ are the last three letters of the badge code, unless you are a supervisor, then MAJESTIC is spelled out). Typically, you would meet at a bus stop, be ferried to a plane, and flown in. They use both voice and eye prints to check to make sure that you area who you are supposed to be. Nobody gets in by road. West of Area 51 is an area named S-4. Nellis Air Force base is where the F117 "stealth" aircraft (which was used so successfully in the Gulf War) was developed and tested. (Actually, all of the stealth stuff was done at Nellis.) It is here (at Area 51) that the physicist named Robert Lazar (he got his job by asking Edward Teller to work at Area 51) saw 9 extraterrestrial craft. He worked on them. He saw them tested and worked on a craft that had the capability to distort time (a time machine of some sort). All this is documented. The Las Vegas TV 8 station had several programs on it. It was hushed up nationally. It's a very long story, but all this is common knowledge (I'm not giving away any secrets here). John Lear is involved. I spoke with several people that go there on Wednesday evenings, about 7:30pm (in the winter months) and watch the U. S. government testing alien spacecraft (there are videos). There are many, many stories that I could tell, but my fingers are getting tired. You go up hiway 395 and then there is a turnoff to another road and a mailbox, ... my notes are at home, ... Rachel, Nevada has a restaurant named "Ale Inn". They would have all the latest information. --->>> And :dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) > >I would NOT advise going to the Dulce area. You may never come back. I >am not at liberty to go into this more, but don't even THINK about it. >There are "things" there that are best left alone. >If you are CAUGHT near the underground base, you *may* end up being >one of the "experiments". I have heard horrendous stories. It could be true and/or a fear tactic by our U.S. government to discourage "sight seers". I spoke with a TV producer that rented a helicopter and flew all over the Dulce hills looking for something (I have seen the video). All he found were white numbers on the top of mountains, numbers that looked exactly like the kind that the Marines used to mark the top of hills with in `Nam. So, if nothing else, it appeared to be a military training ground, even though the entire area is an American Indian reservation and the Indians do not take kindly to any kind of government involvement. >The ZETA GREYS don't fuck around and if you think I'm jesting then you >had better start reading up on all the cattle mutilations and human >abductions going on. I have, (I've chatted recently with Linda Moulten-Howe and Bud Hopkins) and it's true. Is there any hope? >You also might want to read Zecharia Sitchin's book "The 12th Planet" >and Genesis 6 in the Old Testament, The Book of Enoch and all the >extant books by Budd Hopkins. Pick up "Intruders", written by him >and "Confrontations" written by Jacques Vallee. >You will have a much clearer picture then. Sweet dreams. (Which reminds me, some people have called the underground shelters with the alien craft in them at Area 51 "dreamland".) ========================== ufo/aliens #188, from Cix_UseNet, 4688 chars, May 28 05:58 91 -------------------------- TITLE: Re: >>I want to contact some real-live extra-terrestrials! +From : davidj@wrs.com (David Jones) +Subject : Re: >>I want to contact some real-live extra-terrestrials! --->>> Re: harryo@cbnewse.att.com (harold.r.holm) >>> Would a trip to just North West of Las Vegas near Area-51 or S-4 count >>> on the strange ship part? I know that doesn't speak for who is in control >>> of a specific ship, but it might still be fun? Go to the Dulce area for >>> catching some other(dangerous?) action? >Are these some sort of military area designations? Are they near air- >bases ("secret", or otherwise)? Exactly how far from Las Vegas are >they? Near some town(s) or junction(s)? How does one get there by >auto? Are these also (military) restricted areas (i.e., if you're >found where you're not supposed to be, you are either escorted out >or detained at gunpoint)?? What sort of 'dangerous' action is referred >to here---reported abductions? Shot at or harrassed by the locals/ >authorities/military? Better to go at night or during the day (or >not at all)?? Any local "guides" or contacts in these areas? > If you get a map of Nevada look for Nellis Air Force Base you will notice that it covers a wide area, and is north of Las Vegas. At the top of Nellis is an area called Groom Lake. At Groom Lake is a very highly classified military area called Area 51. In order to get to Area 51, you would usually need a classification of Majestic (MAJ are the last three letters of the badge code, unless you are a supervisor, then MAJESTIC is spelled out). Typically, you would meet at a bus stop, be ferried to a plane, and flown in. They use both voice and eye prints to check to make sure that you area who you are supposed to be. Nobody gets in by road. West of Area 51 is an area named S-4. Nellis Air Force base is where the F117 "stealth" aircraft (which was used so successfully in the Gulf War) was developed and tested. (Actually, all of the stealth stuff was done at Nellis.) It is here (at Area 51) that the physicist named Robert Lazar (he got his job by asking Edward Teller to work at Area 51) saw 9 extraterrestrial craft. He worked on them. He saw them tested and worked on a craft that had the capability to distort time (a time machine of some sort). All this is documented. The Las Vegas TV 8 station had several programs on it. It was hushed up nationally. It's a very long story, but all this is common knowledge (I'm not giving away any secrets here). John Lear is involved. I spoke with several people that go there on Wednesday evenings, about 7:30pm (in the winter months) and watch the U. S. government testing alien spacecraft (there are videos). There are many, many stories that I could tell, but my fingers are getting tired. You go up hiway 395 and then there is a turnoff to another road and a mailbox, ... my notes are at home, ... Rachel, Nevada has a restaurant named "Ale Inn". They would have all the latest information. --->>> And :dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) > >I would NOT advise going to the Dulce area. You may never come back. I >am not at liberty to go into this more, but don't even THINK about it. >There are "things" there that are best left alone. >If you are CAUGHT near the underground base, you *may* end up being >one of the "experiments". I have heard horrendous stories. It could be true and/or a fear tactic by our U.S. government to discourage "sight seers". I spoke with a TV producer that rented a helicopter and flew all over the Dulce hills looking for something (I have seen the video). All he found were white numbers on the top of mountains, numbers that looked exactly like the kind that the Marines used to mark the top of hills with in `Nam. So, if nothing else, it appeared to be a military training ground, even though the entire area is an American Indian reservation and the Indians do not take kindly to any kind of government involvement. >The ZETA GREYS don't fuck around and if you think I'm jesting then you >had better start reading up on all the cattle mutilations and human >abductions going on. I have, (I've chatted recently with Linda Moulten-Howe and Bud Hopkins) and it's true. Is there any hope? >You also might want to read Zecharia Sitchin's book "The 12th Planet" >and Genesis 6 in the Old Testament, The Book of Enoch and all the >extant books by Budd Hopkins. Pick up "Intruders", written by him >and "Confrontations" written by Jacques Vallee. >You will have a much clearer picture then. Sweet dreams. (Which reminds me, some people have called the underground shelters with the alien craft in them at Area 51 "dreamland".) ========================== ufo/aliens #190, from Cix_UseNet, 2694 chars, May 28 05:10 91 -------------------------- TITLE: Encounters of the 5th kind. +From : davidj@wrs.com (David Jones) +Subject : Encounters of the 5th kind. >> >>Just a note. There is a new category of encounters that serious UFOligists >>are beginning to use. A close encounter of the 5th kind is currently >>considered "Human Initiated Contact." Where ``Human'' is defined as >>"Earth Human". -->>> Response to: jeffl@pmafire.inel.gov > > Please explain further!? Please see below. -->>> And: sgamble@crc.ac.uk (Steve Gamble x3293) > > I thought there was a body called the International Committee for UFO > Research set up by Allen Hynek and representatives from a number of > national UFO organizations (including MUFON, BUFORA, CUFOS) to set > about defining standard terminology. I was not aware they had defined > a new classification. This was true up until recently. A few weeks ago, I attended the UFO Expo West in L.A. I spoke with Bud Hopkins, Linda Moulten-Howe, Bill Cooper and a many others that are active in UFO research (I guess that I should mention John Lear). Since there has been such an incredible increase in alien activity regarding abductions, the obvious U. S. government involvement and the increase in cattle mutilations (we're talking epidemic proportions here), that somewhere along the line, one of these illustrious people decided that we (meaning serious investigators) had better start taking responsibility for ourselves (meaning earth humans), (since our Majestic government is unwilling or unable to do anything about what is going on), and create a new category. I've only heard about it's existence for less than a year, but, it seems like a good idea. -->>> And: Daniel Mutch > > An encounter of a fifth kind is when say I request physically or > mentally for an alien visitation. In a form of communication. True. But only if you actually get contacted! Whatever works. Telepathy is second only to dumb luck (or is it divine planning or a cosmic coincidence?) Some suggest that there is something in the DNA of special earth humans that attracts certain groups of aliens. Anyway, my suggestion is that you be careful. All those creatures out there are NOT friendly. If you don't believe me, try talking to any one of the thousands of abductees (I've only chatted with a few score). Billy Meier always got a cold feeling on his forehead (third eye region) before his telepathic communications with the Pleiadeans. Others get a ringing in their ears or a pressure at the base of the skull. Usually, its' just (just?) a voice in the head. (I wonder, is this the same as clairaudience? No, I guess not.) Happy attunements! ========================== ufo/aliens #191, from Cix_UseNet, 2263 chars, May 28 22:27 91 -------------------------- TITLE: Re: Skeptic's Re: INFO:FOIA files on UFO's +From : dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) +Subject : Re: Skeptic's Re: INFO:FOIA files on UFO's In article <1991May25.024351.20945@agora.rain.com> trifid@agora.rain.com (Roadster Racewerks) writes: > > >I figure if this stuff is genuine, we'll hear of it soon enough... :-) > >Suze I suggest that you go to your local library and check out a few books and do some actual reading on the subject. I think you would be MOST enlightened by even a cursory look through. In case you missed it...about 2 weeks ago CBS aired a show on a Friday night at 8:00 on UFO Abductions. It focused on just *3* cases out of the already few *thousands* known to investigators. Also, in case you missed it, last night on Monday night's "Hard Copy" was a piece done on Dr Marina Popovich, a former officer in the Russian Air Force and Cosmonaut in the Russian Space Program who told of a mysterious dis-appeaance of one of two probes sent to sent back data on Mars. I believe this happenned in 1988-89. The probe sent back it's LAST picture of a shadow being cast against Phobos, that was calculated at 25 kilometeres long and 3 kilometeres wide in the shape of a cigar, before the probe went.....poof! and I mean as in GONE! This was discussed according to her contacts in the Russian military with Gorby and Bush at the 1990 Malta summit. It is preeminently EASY to flame or dismiss UFO's...it is much harder to accept the FACT that they are HERE and we are finding out that not only ARE they here, but their inhabitants are not some fluffy bunch of benovolent space beings who are here to save the world. Quite the opposite is the case. Locate a book written by Jacques Vallee entitled, "Confrontations". The deeper that investigations are allowed to proceed, the more outright *disturbing* facts about the GREYS/REPTOIDS are being revealed. Keep your mind open and do some basic reading. Regards, Don k -- -* Don Allen *- InterNet: dona@bilver.UUCP // Amiga..for the rest of us. USnail: 1818G Landing Dr, Sanford Fl 32771 \X/ Why use anything else? :^) UUCP: ..uunet!tarpit!bilver!vicstoy!dona 0110 0110 0110 Just say NO! Illuminati < MJ-12|Grudge|TLC|CFR|FED|EEC|Bush > WAR = "New World Order" ========================== ufo/aliens #192, from Cix_UseNet, 3399 chars, May 28 22:47 91 -------------------------- TITLE: Re: German UFO Documentary +From : dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) +Subject : Re: German UFO Documentary In article <1454@wrs.wrs.com> davidj@wrs.com (David Jones) writes: > >On Wednesday, May 22nd, the television program Entertainment >Tonight showed excerpts from an upcoming German documentary >on UFOs. Entertainment Tonight showed, for the first time >ever, a photograph of one of the dead extraterrestrials that >were recovered in the Roswell, New Mexico, crash of 1947. This >photo is part of the German documentary. They also showed one >of the silver cigar-shaped crafts that has been seen recently all >over Europe. The commentary was in English. > >Unfortunately, ET did not say when, or where, this documentary >would be aired. If you know when/where this will be aired, I would >greatly appreciate it if you please be kind enough to let me know. > >And for those of you that missed it: The alien had very tiny ears, >a very small to a non-existent nose, was bald (no hair) and had, what >appeared to be, very large eyes. The eyes were closed (he? was >dead remember). It also appeared that the skin had been artificially >colored orange >and that some kind of (earth) clothes had been put on him/her >(probably not to offend the puritans). This appeared to be of the >gray variety with children's clothes and lots of makeup. Is it >genuine? Well, let's wait for the documentary before jumping to >conclusions. >----------------- > David Jones > davidj@wrs.com >----------------- They are called "Greys"...they are MUCH talked about on the UFO echoes on ParaNet,BAMA,MUFONET,UFINET and Fido.UFO, available on most BBS's that carry them in the listings. These are said to be the "bad" aliens that allegedly made deals with the US Military and could possibly be the "Watchers" or "fallen angels" mentioned in the Old Testament and The Book of Enoch. These types have atropied digestive systems and take nourishment in through the skin and pass excrement through the skin as well. They have NO sexual organs, and come in sizes ranging from 1 1/2 feet tall all the way up to 8 feet tall. They do not possess emotions like what we would call as such. They regard humans with disdain and view us as "lab rats". They are primarily the ones responsible for abductions of people, "programming" them with bb-sized implants behind the eyes, or in the back of the nose of the abducted humans. Their "masters" are the Reptoid type DRACO race, said to be enroute inside a huge planetoid and the Greys will most likely have a WAR when they arrive on the earth with them. Contrast these heinous alien types with the blondes of the Pleiadian race. The Pleadians are more close to us in appearance and are probably the forerunner of the human race, genetically, and the references to "angels" in the Bible are most likely appropriate to their race. There is, in fact, a REAL war going on between the races of the Nephilim (greys,fallen angels) and the beings of LIGHT from the Pleiadian and Sirius. Consult the book of Revelation in the Bible. Regards, Don -- -* Don Allen *- InterNet: dona@bilver.UUCP // Amiga..for the rest of us. USnail: 1818G Landing Dr, Sanford Fl 32771 \X/ Why use anything else? :^) UUCP: ..uunet!tarpit!bilver!vicstoy!dona 0110 0110 0110 Just say NO! Illuminati < MJ-12|Grudge|TLC|CFR|FED|EEC|Bush > WAR = "New World Order" ========================== ufo/aliens #197, from Cix_UseNet, 27496 chars, May 30 02:08 91 -------------------------- TITLE: INFO: Paranormal activity and UFO's - Bill English +From : dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) +Subject : INFO: Paranormal activity and UFO's - Bill English This information is presented for your persusal and is a continuation of my policy of informing the public what is currently available. As usual my *disclaimer* is simply to present the data and let you form your own opinion(s). Please feel free to agree,disagree,discuss or ponder :-) As I do not have a great amount of time available to pursue follow-ups exclusively, comments to me should be sent via mail. ------Begin Included Text--------------------------------------------- PARANORMAL ACTIVITY AND IT'S RELATIONSHIP TO THE UFO ABDUCTION PHENOMENON BY William S. English UFINET News and Information Service INTRODUCTION: For many years, UFOs, or Unidentified Flying Objects and their research have been classed among the fringe elements of our society. Looked upon as being somewhat of a cult and most certainly inhabited by screwballs and nut-cases. Those who have had Abduction experiences suffer trauma not only from the experience, which in many cases is not remembered on a conscious level, but also from the trauma of being ridiculed by their peers. To often, the circumstances surrounding a legitimate Abduction case are clouded with extraneous issues that seem to complicate the initial issue of abduction by a possible Alien life form. Additionally the very nature of those issues often cloud the judgement of even the most experienced investigator of the UFO Phenomenon. This is due largely in part because of the Investigator's desire to find empirical evidence to support the existence of UFOs. As a result of this, over the past twenty years the majority of UFO Investigators have totally ignored another, and perhaps most important aspect of UFOlogy. The possible connection of Paranormal experiences to UFO abductions. Over the years we have equated Paranormal Activities, such as channeling, psycho-kinetics, manifestations of odd noises, telepathy, and a host of other things associated with it, as being totally separate from UFO Investigations. However a recent review of files and information for the past twenty years has shown a possible connection between the two. Most notably this connection seems to be associated with the Abduction Phenomenon as shown by Doctor Leo Sprinkle in his work as early as 1963. In an article written by Dr. Sprinkle which appeared in "Psychotherapy in Private Practice" Vol.6(3) 1988, he had this to say; ".......in our contemporary society, those persons who describe paranormal/psychic/spiritual crises, or emotional trauma from memories of possible past lives, often are faced with scoffing or skeptical reactions -- not only from their friends and relatives, but sometimes from professional persons, including psychotherapists. And, if a person describes a UFO experience (including abduction by alien beings, out of body experience, near death experience, bodily marks from a medical examination, genital examination, past life memories, planetary visions, automatic writing or telepathic communication, and a message or mission for Humankind, etc.), then the psychological resistance of the psychotherapist, as well as the emotional trauma of the person, can be an important factor -- not only in the process of psychotherapy, but in the questions of whether services are provided to that person! The complex and controversial claims of UFO abductees/contactees are a background for the general question: Based on the processes of psychotherapy, what do we know about UFO experiences?" In a recent conversation with Dr.Sprinkle I asked him if paranormal activity was common among those people who may have had possible contact with UFOs, and if so why hadn't we heard more about this..? Dr. Sprinkle's reply was surprising as he went on to say, "Yes, it is extremely common. In fact I have been researching the Paranormal question since 1963 and was asked by the Lorenzens (Jim and Coral Lorenzen of APRO) to write a chapter for a book they were writing in the mid 70's that dealt with this very issue." Interestingly enough, Dr. Sprinkle, for many years seemed to be the only professional Psychologist who even adhered to the idea that UFOs were possibly real. Having established a reputation in his field for his regressive hypnosis sessions with several of the more modern day abduction reports Dr. Sprinkle has become the foremost authority on the subject of Abductions. In the same article he went on to express several tentative viewpoints: 1.) I believe that `flying saucers' (UFOs) exist. 2.) I believe that I cannot prove to anyone that UFOs exist. 3.) I believe that UFO research is always frustrating, often fearful, sometimes fun. 4.) I believe that psychotherapeutic services and social support for UFO Experiencers are helpful to them in accepting the reality of these experiences and in understanding of the silliness and the significance of these experiences. 5.) I believe that there are many skills that can be useful to the psychotherapist who works with UFO Experiencers, but the main attributes are courage, curiosity, and compassion. 6.) I appreciate the willingness of UFO Experiencers to share their information, and the willingness of professional colleagues to assist UFO Experiencers. Perhaps, someday, UFO research can lead to results which could test the hypothesis that UFO activity is an educational program. This last remark seemed somewhat new age'ish on the Good Doctor's part, but in light of the recent revelation of a few years ago that he himself had apparently been abducted as a child, it is understandable. PART TWO In some cases we as investigators have to ask the question concerning the types of encounters that many abductees experience. In so doing the questions will elicit some type of answer or reaction. Bearing in mind it is often difficult for the investigator, or for that matter, the psychotherapist to either understand or accept the answers they are given. This comes not from a desire to deny the subject's experiences, but more form the point of view, that it is difficult for the Investigator/Psychotherapist to accept the answer. In many cases the subject will present an answer unacceptable to the Investigator/Psychotherapist. This seems to be the case with regard to paranormal activity which may accompany such an encounter. Throughout the several years Dr. Sprinkle has devoted his efforts to finding the answers to this phenomenon, he has put forth the following hypothesis: Thesis 1. There is sufficient evidence to accept the hypothesis that many UFO witnesses have experienced encounters with space craft that are piloted or controlled by intelligent alien beings (e.g., Hynek, 1972;Jacobs, 1975; Randles, 1983; Rutledge, 1981; Smith, 1987). Thesis 2. There is sufficient evidence to accept the hypothesis that many UFO witnesses have experienced abductions and examination by UFO occupants, including bodily, psychological, and/or sexual examinations (e.g., Fowler, 1979, 1982; Fuller, 1966; Hopkins, 1981, 1987; Lorenzen & Lorenzen, 1967, 1976, 1977; Sprinkle, 1979, 1981; Strieber, 1987). Thesis 3. There is sufficient evidence to accept the hypothesis that most UFO witnesses are normal in their psychological functioning (e.g., Bloecher, Clamar, & Hopkins, 1985; Keul & Phillips, 1986; Parnell, 1987; Schwarz, 1983; Sprinkle, 1976b, 1979a). Thesis 4. There is sufficient evidence to accept the hypothesis the psychic phenomena, including "channeled" communications, are associated with UFO encounters; further, there is emerging evidence that UFO contactees view themselves as changing from "planetary persons" to "cosmic citizens" (e.g., Davis, 1985; Kannenberg, 1982, 1986; Kinder, 1987; Montgomery, 1985; Puharich, 1974; Sprinkle, 1981; Steiger & Steiger, 1981). Remembering the previously mentioned hypothesis, let us review certain facts; "In a majority of cases the contactees/victims are initially unaware of their contact experience on a conscious level. They have subliminated their experiences to a subconscious level." We know this is possible due to findings from victims of childhood sexual assaults and in many cases rape victims, and in some cases, victims of violent crime or accidents. As an act of mental self-defense, the incident or incidents are forcefully forgotten, either through external influences (i.e., programming on the part of the abductors) or through the psychological processes that come into play to create a mental feeling of security. "Awareness of the contact experience can, and often times remains dormant until such time as an incident/phase/word or experience triggers the memory, and starts the process of bringing the memory to the conscious level." At this point we now begin to see the manifestation of paranormal activity. In many cases the contactee/victim begins to feel a feeling of un-rightness, i.e., unexplainable fear, paranoia, panic attacks etc. . .. In other cases the paranormal activity will manifest itself in other ways, such as; Psycho-kinetic Activity (Poltergeist) Manifestation of visual phenomena (Green fireballs, visions of ghost, physical assaults upon the victim or members of the victims household.) The hearing of ghostly high pitched voices, screaming warnings that only the victim can hear. Telepathy and premonitions. At the same time we must enquire as to the validity of these manifestations. A case in point... A college educated male, approximately 30 years of age recalled a series of paranormal incidents that began at the age of twenty years and resulted ultimately in the discovery that he was in fact an abductee at the age of four years. ".....I was twenty. I was living in Jamestown, California at the time with three other young people in an old house outside of town. One night I returned to my bedroom after getting up to use the bathroom. I turned off the light, got in my bed and laid on my left side. As soon as I laid down I "knew" there was something in the room with me. I could "feel" it thinking. I immediately became aware of something moving to me from across the room and it stood on the foam pad right in front of my face and made a depression there that my hands, which were up by my face started to roll into. Then suddenly there was a weight on top of my body that pushed me down through the support of my pad into the floor and held me there paralysed. There also was a load sound in my upturned right ear which sounded as though something were yelling or shouting or exhaling right against my ear. It was one long sound though there was no variation in timbre, frequency, or pitch and it continued for the entire time that I could not move." He went on to say that he slept for a year or two afterwards with a light on in his room or shining into his room from another room. He continued. "....a few days before I moved out of that place in fear of whatever it was that happened, I was watching T.V. in the living room in broad daylight when I felt as if something were touching the insides of my thighs, like there was something invisible trying to push them apart. I now do not believe that there was actually something there at the moment, but that it was a strong subliminal memory of having been touched there. Also when I was moving back down to college I had a similar sensation across my upper abdomen while I was driving a car. That wasn't the end of my experiences. It followed me to where I moved and ten months later I had a UFO sighting over Modesto, California at very close range. Which by the way I didn't associate with my prior experiences. There was also a vivid "dream" I had where something had gone into my consciousness, made me feel euphoric, and made my life pass before my eyes while they re-experienced it with me as if they were looking for something (This was also associated with a sighting in the dream) They also did something to the back of my head. The memory of these things persisted in bothering me for years. At the time I moved away from the rural areas thinking that these things would stop. I didn't know what was happening to me. I began having panic attacks after the one experience in Jamestown and I had never had them before. All of this was quite unsettling and I couldn't figure out why when I was having one of the best times of my life that something so strange would start plaguing me." The incidents that happened to this subject are most certainly of a paranormal nature, and fall classically into that category. However, let us examine several possibilities we as UFO investigators seem to overlook. As of yet, science has not been able to adequately explain the cause of Paranormal activity. Science has defined paranormal activity as something laying outside of the realm of the normal acceptable standards that have been established for human behavior. Yet at the same time they are just now, within the last one hundred years, beginning to define that human behavior and the accompanying dysfunctions inherent in it. For the most part, the activity that seems to accompany a Contactee/victim is of a paranormal nature as clearly defined by Dr. Sprinkle in his fourth hypothesis, However in recent years it has also become apparent the term paranormal activity, can encompass several other things as well as the afore mentioned items. Let us as investigators, for the moment ignore the paranormal aspects of such encounters and look at other possible explanations using the above example. Several years after the paranormal experiences related above, the subject was hypnotically regressed by Kathy McCampbell, daughter of Mr. James McCampbell, and it was discovered that as a child of four years of age he in fact was abducted. The following is his recollection of the abduction experience. "I was with the group of girls (his mother was a Girl Scout Leader) and then I remember being away from them, then I became very dizzy, I remember being carried then seeing something come down from above the tree line. I was handed up into something (it was on the ground) it looked round and silver kind of like a diving bell and was not that large. I opened my eyes, there were three of them on either side of me looking down at me. The next I know is that I'm sitting up but I am leaning against one of them who is at my side. He is holding something on top and at the back of my head." As it can be seen, there seems to be a similarity between the abduction encounter and the paranormal incidents previously related. Examining it more closely, the initial paranormal incident where the subject felt the presence of something in the room and then felt the pressure on top of him and the loud noise in his ear has at least one explanation, that being that the subject for some reason had a subconscious memory triggered and then relived a portion of the initial abduction experience. The reliving of the experience seemed so real at the time it is difficult if not impossible for the subject to separate the reality from the illusion. Therefore the subject believes that the paranormal incident did in fact take place. Further evidence of this is during the second paranormal encounter the subject felt something touching the inside of his thighs, and then during the third incident, something touching his upper torso. During the following two incidents however, he admitted to having more of a feeling that it was a memory rather than a real experience. Like so many other victims of sexual assault and violent crime, he began to remember the incidents in a way that would allow his mental well being to stay intact, while at the same time gradually learning to cope with the incident. This is a rather simplistic explanation, however it does not answer all of the questions that arise when dealing with paranormal activity, and it most certainly does not answer the questions concerning the validity of such activity. It is at this point that we as investigators and members of the psychological and mental health professions begin to enter into extremely dangerous territory. `Is paranormal activity real?' There is evidence to indicate that some paranormal activity is real. Such things as ghost, poltergeist etc. . .. As for the other things that seem to be more commonly associated with UFO encounters, it is difficult to say on a more logical level. In most cases the evidence seems to be self perpetuating in that over the years unrelated cases have been investigated that show striking similarities. These similarities are easily explained by some, yet there is always the hidden fact that is kept hidden by most good investigators in order that they may have a control factor in which to gauge the validity of other cases. In short, this is an area and a decision which lays entirely in the hands of the psychotherapist and the UFOlogist. It is their own personal beliefs which must decide whether or not they believe in the paranormal aspects involved with this phenomenon. PART THREE Assuming for the moment paranormal activity is in fact real in some form or another, let us examine further it's relationship with the UFO/Abductee/Contactee Phenomena. In most cases paranormal activity and abilities are existent to some degree in all of us. Whether it be the ability to look briefly into the future (DejaVu), to detect the loss of a loved one before being told, telepathy (such as in twins), psycho- kinesis, etc. . .. However, these abilities lay dormant until something, either an event or a memory, triggers the ability. In many cases this particular event is the result of a trauma, or for that matter, the incident that is triggered was a trauma in itself. One particular point that we must remember is the human mind and brain is the most complex and even today unknown aspect of the Human-being. We can chart the Brain, and even have a fair idea as to what each particular area within the brain will control. But! We are unable to delve deeper into it to look at the area most commonly referred to as the soul. That part which makes up our personalities, our abilities to think and discern information. Control emotions, or for that matter, what creates those emotions which separate us from the lower orders of the animal kingdom. In short, we don't fully know what exactly the abilities are within the human animal. An interesting point which should be considered is, most biologist will tell you the brain capacity of the lower orders of the animal kingdom reflect the full mental ability of those animals, barring mental retardation or defects. Yet a human brain, followed by the dolphin, is one of the largest, if not the largest brain within the mammalian chain. And we do not use it to it's fullest capacity. This is odd since development on an evolutionary scale theoretically says all life forms physically develop to their fullest capabilities. If this holds true, then why hasn't humankind? Or is there the possibility that we did, and then through some cataclysmic occurrences we lost those abilities..? Having set the stage somewhat, and seeing that the human brain or the human animal is capable of far more than many of us give credit to it, lets us now examine closely the relationship between Paranormal Activity and UFO contacts. Accepting the possibilities previously stated, we as human- beings have created in our minds and in our a world a certain amount of stability based upon what we consider to be incontrovertible facts. But I now ask the question; "What if those facts we have established are found to be falsehoods?" This creates an interesting dilemma....How would we cope with such a revelation? I present the following theory for your consideration... Theorem.... Throughout the span of recorded history, the human animal has given basic and simple explanations to those things we are incapable of understanding. We have placed these strange occurrences into categories we are comfortable with. Such things as Religion to explain celestial beings (angels), and beings horrible and evil (demons). Those things defying our ability to explain technologically or logically became things of magic and Witchcraft. As humankind progressed through the sciences and technology, what was once within the realm of religion and magic went into the realm of science and logic, and this is where our development stands. Suddenly there comes into our existence something which cannot be placed within the normal classifications we have established for ourselves. Since we no longer for the most part believe in magic, we attempt to place it within the realm of science. Yet when we are unable to give logical explanations through science, it then falls within the realm of magic, or the paranormal, which falls outside of both magic and the sciences. It is at this point the primal instincts of the human animal come into play, and at the same time something even more astounding. The human brain's ability to protect itself from something that does not compute or work within it's ability to assimilate. Unlike a computer however, it reprograms itself to continue functioning on a relatively normal level until such time as more information becomes available to help it assimilate the previously blanked out data. At this point some unusual occurrences take place causing the brain to trigger the previously blanked memories and bringing them forward from the sub-conscious into the conscious area of the mind, or Id. With this occurrence comes increased metal activity that creates an increase in Neuro-electrical activity within the brain itself, thereby increasing the brain's natural abilities to manipulate it's physical surrounding without physical intervention.. This theorem may not be as far fetched as it may sound. We know that bio-electrical activity is one of the motivating factors which makes the human body animate, function, and live. We also know for example that in the event of injury to either the brain or the Neuro-systems (nervous system) certain parts of the human body cease to function. Taking it a step further, we currently are able to manipulate invisible electrical forces in the form of Radio and television waves, which transmit pictures, turn motors, and make possible such innovations as the modern home computer. Therefore the idea of the human brain creating such amounts of electrical activity as to be able to control and effect it's surrounding environment is not far fetched at all. Now you ask the question; "What has this to do with UFO Abductees/Contactees? Simply put, we must first consider two possibilities. The first being we have accepted that UFOs and Aliens do exist, and therefore based upon the available evidence human-beings are being contacted and/or being forcefully abducted for whatever purposes. Because of the trauma caused these Abductees/Contactees their brains have shut down in order to be able to assimilate the data necessary to cope with this incident in their lives. In many cases these incidents are on-going occurrences which would require some sort of mental manipulation on the part of the abductors to keep control of their subject. Because of the ingrained human survival instinct the human brain begins to increase it's bio-electrical activity thereby causing paranormal activity in it's surrounding vicinity. whether it manifest itself as uncommonly clear memories that cause the abductee/contactee to relive the physical sensations that they were subjected to during the course of their abduction, or other physical manipulations in their surroundings i.e..poltergeist, telepathy, psycho-kinesis.. The second possibility we must consider is the physical modification or manipulation of the human brain on the part of the abductors i.e..implants, bio-genetic engineering or modifications etc..We know that it is possible to control the human mind or at least certain areas of the brain that will cause pleasure and pain, anger and apathy. Therefore why is it not possible for a possibly more advance culture to have carried this further and be able to control all aspects of the brain? Making possible such things as channeling (communications) and all of the previously mentioned paranormal phenomena. A recent review of case studies that date back as far as the late to middle fifties has shown that in almost all instances where a person reports abduction or contact in some form or another there is almost always paranormal activity reported. Currently there are certain individuals within the UFO/paranormal fields who have shown and uncanny ability to predict where and when a UFO sighting or flap is about to occur. Increased E.S.P abilities, etc...In almost all cases it has been shown that they are abductees or contactees.. CONCLUSIONS Contrary to popular belief, it is apparent that Paranormal Activity and UFO related Activity are NOT separate issues, but rather, are one in the same. Both being an integral part of the other, and both playing a significant role in the lives of the Abductees/Contactees. It is apparent that we as Investigators and Psychotherapist can no longer ignore the fact that Paranormal activity does occur in some form or another in relationship to the UFO/Abduction/Contact Phenomena. We as Investigators and Psychotherapeutic professionals must come together to establish criteria in which to investigate and treat Abduction/Contact trauma victims, bearing in mind that these people require a different type of treatment and inter- action between the investigator, psychotherapist, and mental health professional. The psychotherapeutic profession must help establish the acceptance within the mental health professions that there is indeed a whole phenomena in existence that does in fact deal with UFO contact and abduction, and that new methods are required to treat and deal with these unfortunates. Most importantly they must also be taught to accept the fact that whenever a victim of such occurrences comes to them for professional help, they are NOT crazy, but in fact show be in the same classification as that of sexual abuse, and violent crime victims. We as Investigators must educate ourselves for a better understanding of the trauma that victims of Abduction undergo, and become aware of the various aspects of Paranormal activity that in fact do exist.. ----End of File ---------------------------------------------- Bill English can be contacted on his BBS at: 1-505-682-3442, Cloudcroft, New Mexico. -- -* Don Allen *- InterNet: dona@bilver.UUCP // Amiga..for the rest of us. USnail: 1818G Landing Dr, Sanford Fl 32771 \X/ Why use anything else? :^) UUCP: ..uunet!tarpit!bilver!vicstoy!dona 0110 0110 0110 Just say NO! 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The following article comes from the ParaNet UFO echo. --------Begin Included Text------------------------------------------- Message #6053 - INFO.PARANET Date : 28-May-91 23:26 From : ParaNet(sm) Information Service To : All Subject : Jacques Vallee Interview ***************************************************************** I M P O R T A N T N O T I C E concerning the following text file ***************************************************************** ParaNet makes no endorsement of this material and the views expressed herein are not necessarily the views of ParaNet. This information is provided as a public service only. This file is SHARETEXT material. This means that you are free to distribute it to anyone you like, as long as it is not used for commercial purposes, you do not charge for it, you do not remove this header, or change the contents in anyway. Additionally, we ask that you contribute to ParaNet, if possible, to assure a continuation of this valuable, educational SHARETEXT service. The suggested contribution is $75.00 and entitles you to full access to our comprehensive library and our network of electronic affiliates all over the world. Other services are available. Mail your contribution to: ParaNet Information Service P.O. Box 172 Wheat Ridge, CO 80034-0172 ParaNet(sm): Freedom of Information for a better world! (C) 1991 ParaNet(sm) Information Service. All Rights Reserved. **************************************************************** ParaNet File Number: 01154 **************************************************************** A VOICE IN THE WILDERNESS Recently, Jacques Vallee has been making more public appearances following a hiatus which took him out of the American ufological scene for nearly ten years. His reasons for the absence were directly tied to the disgust he felt toward the methodology employed by UFO researchers and investigators. A very controversial figure, Vallee is highly regarded within the French and European community, where it appears progress is being made due to a diverse attitude among our European counterparts. One has to agree that things are a sad state of affairs right here at home. Virtually no progress is being made as we are actually further from an answer than we were ten years ago. This can be credited to the lack of a focused, scientific approach, coupled with a move away from critical thinking so necessary to begin to understand the complexities that this enigma presents. Vallee has published two books of late - Confrontations and Dimensions, which detail the fruits of his research, conducted quietly and away from the public scene. Vallee's message is clear - The UFO phenomenon represents a clear and present danger. His research indicates that we may be dealing with an extremely complex set of models that demand scientific discipline and a whole new approach to the problem. Vallee is highly concerned with the public's seeming "blind faith" acceptance of the "space brothers" scenario, considering that there are serious actions on the part of the phenomenon to do harm to individuals ithout any consideration for our comfort or feelings. The problem is agitated further by unqualified personnel performing hypnotic regression which seems to cement the contact to fit the hypnotists idea of what happened, instead of what really happened. This, as Vallee says, attempts to force the event into the victim's reality, when it really doesn't belong. Although Vallee has drawn a lot of fire from noted abduction researchers such as Budd Hopkins, his ideas are not far from accepted scientific methodology. Hypnosis is not for the unqualified to be performing. It belongs with credible, degreed medical personnel who know the intricacies involved with the procedure. More harm is being done to the alleged victim than good when unqualified people perform the regression. The victim is often left with the trauma of the contact, and cannot effectively deal with it. It must be treated as a medical problem. As Vallee states about unqualified hypnotists dealing with victims: "It is unprofessional and unethical." With this he sharply criticizes Dr. Edith Fiore, who took a course on hypnosis during a weekend and began to regress abductees the following Monday morning. The question comes down to: Are we interested in getting to the bottom of this problem, or are we more concerned with the sensational aspect of it? If the answer is the former, than we must begin to police our own backyard and change the direction of things. The data pool is so polluted and corrupt with information that has been arrived at with faulty investigative methods, that we are drawing false conclusions about what UFOs really represent. We must have an open mind. But, we also must employ a methodology that is akin to forensic investigative methods. In this respect, we will make substantial progress, and with the data that is collected in this fashion, be able to construct theoretical models which hold some hope for the answer. ParaNet has reprinted the entire interview with Jacques Vallee. We invite your discussion and comments. ================================================================= This article was reprinted from FATE Magazine, Vol. 44, No. 7, Issue 496, July 1991. (C) 1991 Llewellyn Worldwide, Ltd. Subscriptions: $22.95/yr. to: P.O. Box 1940, 170 Future Way Marion OH 43305-1940 ================================================================= AN INTERVIEW WITH JACQUES VALLEE BY George W. Earley In 1980, Jacques Vallee "disappeared" from organized ufology. The author of several ground-breaking (and often controversial) UFO books, a one-time associate of (and co-author with) the late Dr. J. Allen Hynek, vanished almost as quickly and quietly as a UFO itself. Almost a decade would pass before Vallee reappeared; when he did, he aroused even more controversy than he had in the 1970s. Vallee's reappearance was signaled by publication of two books: Dimensions (Ballantine; 1989) sought to show that the phenomenon we call UFOs has been with humanity throughout-and likely even before recorded history. His second book, Confrontations (Ballantine; 1990), chastised ufologists as scientifically inept investigators, detailed the in-depth and hands on investigations (many of them done outside the U.S.) he undertook during the 1980s, and expressed his strong belief that UFOs and their allegedly attendant beings were likely not extraterrestrial, but interdimensional forms. I caught up with him in Portand, Oregon, several months ago, and between his early morning appearance on a local TV show and a press conference, the following tape recorded conversation ensued. Earley: I saw the program on TV this morning and you mentioned the Costa Rica photograph. I looked at the one in Confrontations and the analysis of it and it still seems inconclusive. What do you feel we need to have for a photo to be thoroughly acceptable not only to the scientific community but to the media and the public? Vallee: Well, in this case we are taking the analysis step by step. We are purposely very careful, not making any claims that we can't prove as we go along. The first thing that was done was to work from a 2nd generation negative that I brought back from Costa Rica. Dick Haines1 and I published an initial article in the Journal of Scientific Exploration.2 When that article was refereed and reviewed, a couple of referees raised questions about what the image could be and what artifacts could have caused it. Now we have the original negative which I have succeeded in getting out of Costa Rica. As you know, it is a photograph taken by a mapping aircraft of the government of Costa Rica and it belongs to the government. What I have now is the original uncut negative, the frame that shows the object, the frame before and the frame after, taken at 20 second intervals. We have looked at it, magnified it, printed it with different densities, and so on. That eliminates all the claims of possible artifacts. We know this is not a double exposure, we know this is not a fine particle trapped in the film...this is a real image. It is a large image. The next step is to digitize it-we do not have access to such a place here [in America] but I know people in France who can do it, with superb facilities for computer photo analysis. We are waiting for them to digitize the frames and to do enhancement and comparisons of one frame to the next. Earley: I'll be interested in hearing the results of their work. Now, during your TV appearance today, just before and after each commercial break, the station used some of those controversial saucer photos taken in Switzerland by Edward Meier. Has anyone analyzed them? I know there have been a couple of books about him but I don't believe his claims have ever been seriously examined. Vallee: In the case of Meier, the negatives have never been available, to my knowledge. Without the negatives, one can do nothing. So it goes back to a question of belief. I am very, very skeptical of the Meier case. I've been to his place in Switzerland. Nobody can tell me this is an average Swiss farmer...[chuckles]...the man has led an extremely interesting life. The photographs themselves are not convincing. No one will be able to tell for sure until we can work from the negatives and the negatives have never been available. And there's no good reason for withholding them. In a situation where someone has had a genuine experience, there should be full disclosure. There is no reason to hide anything. Earley: I agree. I would also note that the space beings he says he's meeting with are more like those described by George Adamski in the 1950s than the beings that are reported today. I don't know how you feel about this but it raises a warning flag for me. Vallee: Yes. And the place...I was there last summer [1989]. The place is run like a cult. Visitors are screened by members of his group. He is not at all living in poverty, getting up at sunup to work in the fields. He has a large house, with the flag of his organization in front of it, a guest book which has been signed by every TV station in Japan which has come through there. There is a satellite antenna to pick up foreign television broadcasts...this is an organized cult. It is not just the average farmer who has happened to see UFOs. GULF BREEZE Earley: Very interesting. Have you talked with Dr. Bruce Maccabee about the Gulf Breeze case? Vallee: Yes I have. And I respect Dr. Maccabee, he's a good scientist. I've looked at the photographs, spent two to three hours with him in Washington. I should qualify this -- I don't like to talk about cases I have not investigated myself. I have not gone to Gulf Breeze purposely, I am not trying to investigate it. As you know from my book, I put the highest priority on cases that have not been reported and cases that are not big media cases with fanfare...those are the cases where I can achieve something within my limitations, where I can get somewhere. I like the cases that have been very quiet or where interest has disappeared over the years. Then I can go to the site and meet the people and be seriously involved and this is certainly not the case in Gulf Breeze. Now on the technical questions I have about Gulf Breeze, I've never gotten an answer. One question is: Why don't we have a spectrum of the illumination? The object appeared again and again and again; it appeared often enough that the witness could be supplied with a camera that had four different lenses on it. Well, it would be a simple thing to sacrifice one of the lenses and put a [diffraction] grating in front of the objective [lens] and get a spectrum and then we would know once and for all if it's a good old 200-watt Sylvania light bulb in there or if it is something unknown to physics. At least we would know that. From the photographs you can't tell. Another thing that is very, very disturbing is that, as you know, the witness, Ed Walters, has a (criminal) record. Well, that is neither here nor there -- people with records see UFOs just like people with no records. But that does have an influence on the way one would analyze a sighting. And the fact that he has a record is not disclosed in the book. And I think that's wrong! I feel there should be full disclosure. Earley: There was a vague mention of an "indiscretion" or something like that. I would note that in a recent issue of Jim Moseley's Saucer Smear newsletter 3, Walters writes that because of "my reputation as a responsible business man and community leader" he has been granted "a Full Pardon" by Florida Governor Bob Martinez. Of course that doesn't take away the guilt of what he did...I know Phil Klass loves to get into things like that. He pointed out that Travis Walton had also been charged with forgery... Vallee: I think that's relevant and it should always be disclosed. There should be no question in disclosing it. The fact that in this case there is no full disclosure, that the book represented him as a pillar of the community, I find that wrong. Earley: I think the pardon came after the book was published. Perhaps it will be put in the 2nd edition... I'd like to talk about witness harassment and ridicule. You mentioned this topic in your book; I believe in one instance you wrote of "vandalism." Was this to a victim's home or car? Vallee: If you remember, there were several cases like this. There was a policeman in the Midwest, Herbert Schirmer, who suffered from harassment. Even in the case of Lonnie Zamora, he was harassed and had to leave the police department. The kids, when he tried to arrest them in Socorro [New Mexico], would say "Why are you after me? Look at that flying saucer over there. It's going faster than I am. Why don't you arrest it and leave me alone?" And in the famous case in Michigan, the "swamp gas" case, the witness's house was pelted with beer bottles and Coke bottles and cans...jsut the reaction of the friendly local community. Earley: And the police chief in Alabama I think it was, who took the picture of an alleged entity...Greehaw, was it? I think he resigned because of the hassles he had. Have any of your fellow scientists done any sociological studies as to why there should be this reaction to UFO reports? Vallee: Not any formal studies. It is a normal human reaction in a way; there is a reaction of laughter to relieve tension and the fear of the unknown. It's nice to be able to laugh at it and it makes you look smart. It is a normal reaction by people who don't want to be bothered by such things. I don't know what it will take for people to grow up and recognize this phenomenon as something very important. I hope that my book will be a contribution in that direction. Among my colleagues it has started to have that effect. After reading the book they understand that this is obviously not just a bunch of uneducated people in the countryside sitting by the river and watching flying saucers come by... Earley: So you're getting a positive reaction from your colleagues in the United States as well as in France? Vallee: Absolutely. COSMIC IMPLICATIONS Earley: That's encouraging. Because what it gets down to is how do we develop a proof that will allow people to take this seriously...why are people ignoring the, shall we say, "cosmic" implications of the UFO phenomenon? Vallee: Well, you know, the people who are interested in the UFO phenomenon...we've been guilty of pushing the extraterrestrial theory to the exclusion of everything else. The word from many people in the public and also in the scientific community is -- either UFOs don't exist and it is all illusions and mistakes and hoaxes and so forth, or we are being visited by beings from outer space. It seems to be either one or the other. Well, it doesn't have to be one or the other. What I find is that people start paying attention when you tell them "Hey, of course it could be aliens or a form of intelligence from outer space, but it could be other things too!" Then they start to want to know more, they start thinking...before they had to decide between not believing the witnesses or agreeing that we were being visited by aliens. People have reacted negatively to that narrow choice. Scientists have certainly reacted negatively to it. They say "Oh yeah? If they are space aliens, how and why do they come here?" I had that reaction yesterday at a radio station in Seattle. "Why do they do these absurd things people say they do? Why do they look like us?" We have to deal with the fact that while this phenomenon is very complex, it does not have to be extraterrestrial necessarily. That opens up many other hypotheses including interdimensionality, which is now mainstream physics. There are theories about the universe having more than four dimensions, and to me the UFO phenomenon is interesting to the extent that it is forcing us to ask those questions and to test some of those new and exciting theories. When you say that, scientists become interested once again because it means that the UFO problem is not a closed system anymore. What has surprised me is that when you start proposing such ideas, the people who react the most negatively, not to say venomously, are not the skeptics but the people in the UFO community themselves. I have been astonished by this violent reaction and you may have seen the comments of Budd Hopkins and of Jerry Clark4 calling me a flake for opening up these possibilities. I've argued before, as you know, with Donald Menzel and I've argued with Philip Klass, yet I've never experienced such polemics. Mind you, I don't mind the polemics. I'm not particularly looking for it, but if it happens, it happens. Yet I've never encountered the kind of vitriolic reaction I have with Jerry Clark, which was totally uncalled for. It just came out of nowhere as far as I'm concerned. That taught me an important lesson, though, that I'd not realized before: parochialism within the UFO community itself may be what is preventing us from being heard by the scientific world. Earley: I think that could be a possibility. The "house divided" effect... Vallee: Jerome Clark is reacting almost as if I had questioned something very sacred for him, something that must not be questioned by someone who calls himself a UFO researcher. I'm questioning the dogma that these beings are ETs...yet when I listen to the witnesses, which is what I try to do carefully, they tell me they see objects appearing out of nowhere, and disappearing on the spot. They don't necessarily see things that take off and go up in the sky and go through the atmosphere. In some cases they do, but in many cases they describe objects that seem to have the ability to operate on space-time, to manipulate space-time. Well, if there is a form of consciousness that does that, if there is a technology that does that, then it opens up all kinds of questions that we have never really considered seriously. And from a scientific point of view, number one, it makes a lot more sense. Number two, it is much richer in terms of what we can do with it in our own research. Earley: It is, of course, a regrettable fact that the scientific community, by and large, has rejected the UFO phenomenon out of hand without making any real study of it. I've talked to Isaac Asimov. He speaks of "UFO maniacs" in a recent book5 on the NASA/SETI program, yet he knows nothing of UFOs. When you try to pin him down about his skepticism, he says: "Well, I've devoted enough of my time to this and I have many other things to do." Carl Sagan does the same thing. A very personable man but very glib and shallow in some respects, particularly with regard to the UFO phenomenon. Vallee: They've never taken time to study the cases themselves. All they know about it is what they read in the National Enquirer... Earley: Are you saying that to a large degree you wrote Confrontations for the scientific community and that while you are hoping it will have an impact on the public at large, basically you were trying to speak to your colleagues? Vallee: I'm trying to show that, number one, the data is robust enough that it can be studied scientifically. There is no lack of parameters that are quantifiable, there is no lack of data from technically trained observers. Number two, I am showing that the phenomenon also has important medical implications, physiological implications that should be studied. A lot of attention has recently been placed -- and rightly so -- on the abduction phenomenon. That is fine, but beyond the abduction phenomena there are other types of impacts that should be documented and studied: that includes the medical and physiological impact and I'm trying to call attention to that. ABDUCTIONS AND HYPNOSIS Earley: You mentioned Hopkins' disagreement with your theory as to the possible origin of the aliens -- do you still feel the abduction phenomenon is a real one? Vallee: I've never said otherwise. People have tried to imply that I was rejecting the abduction phenomena and I never have. As you know, both in this book (Confrontations) and in Dimensions, I even talk about abduction cases I've studied. In Confrontations you will find the case of the woman I call "Mrs. Victor" and several other cases. In Happy Camp (California), for example, there was an abduction case, among many other things. In some cases I have studied those incidents whit the help of hypnotists. But I surely would not do the hypnosis myself as some abductionists so. As I have said before, and I will say it at every occasion, this is unethical and unscientific. What they (the abduction hypnotists) are getting is not the truth. They are wrongly assuming that they are looking at the first level interpretations of what the witnesses have encountered. In many of those hypnosis sessions you will find that leading questions are being used. Besides, there is obvious screening or self-selection on the part of the people who come forward to be hypnotized. There is a framework that is put on the experience itself. The tragedy is that once that kind of framework has been put on the experience, you cannot go back. I've had a number of people who have been studied and hypnotized, people who have been mentioned in some of the more prominent books on abduction, who have come to me saying "my experience was much wider than what is described in the book. The author took things out of context to fit them in his book, but I need help to deal with other aspects of my experience that nobody wanted to look at." I'm not in a position to help these people because they've already been hypnotized a number of times, they are stuck in a certain framework -- I don't know of any way one can go back and rehypnotize these people to get back to the original experience. Which is why in many cases a...psychiatrist using hypnosis in his work will tell you that you have to be very careful and that in many cases hypnosis is not even the proper form of investigation. Earley: That's why I was frankly appalled at Dr. Edith Fiore's book6 because she "learned" hypnosis over one weekend and then began using it the following Monday. And now she thinks she is an abductee after having been hypnotized by Dr. James Harder. I understand Dr. Rima Laibow is saying she's an abductee. It seems to me there is a lot of self-contamination and pollution in this business. But let's take a scenario here. Suppose I came to you and said I've been having disturbing dreams and I've read things in newspapers and magazines about abductions; maybe I've been abducted; you're the first person I've come to about this. What would your step-by-step procedure be with a person who approached you in that manner? Vallee: I think witnesses should only go to trained people. Hypnosis is a complex and dangerous thing; people should only go to clinical psychologists or M.D.s for that kind of work. There is an objection to that, which I have heard from Jerome Clark and other people in the UFO field, saying that many witnesses don't have access to such experts, so Budd Hopkins and Dave Jacobs and others are performing a valuable service when they do it themselves because the medical professionals are not always available to do it. Well, it's obviously a flawed argument. It's like your coming to me and saying "I need a triple [heart] bypass. Would you please take your kitchen knife and do it because my doctor doesn't want to do it?" Well, I'm not qualified to do a triple bypass and I'm not qualified to hypnotize anybody and I'm not going to learn the technique so I can start hypnotizing people left and right. Again, I think this is unethical and unscientific and it doesn't get us to the kind of UFO data we need. In the cases when this situation has happened, what I've done is to go to professionals I know. I would not discuss the case with a witness. I would say, "Look, we are going to get to know each other. You are going to tell me about yourself, but let's not talk about UFOs. Please don't read any more on the subject for a few weeks until we can get you to see someone who is trained in hypnosis." In one case I went to a friend of mine who is a clinical psychologist and he said, "You won't need hypnosis with this person, there are other ways -- there are much more sophisticated techniques that can be used to help people remember what happened to them, under their own control." In certain cases, a "day dreaming" type of technique can help the person remember things at his or her own pace. This could also come through dreams, it could come through drawings...it could take a long time, like months. But this is much more intrusive than saying "You-Are-Now-Under-My-Power-and- You-Will-Remember-the-Time-When-the-Aliens-Took-You..." which is very often what you hear on those ridiculous abduction tapes. Earley: This goes along with a recent book review7 that examined hypnosis and questioned if hypnosis per se actually existed or whether we can, by simply relaxing people, enable them to be in a fully waking state but simply have more access to their memories. Vallee: Again, I'm not a specialist of that field and I'm just relaying what different professionals have told me. They disagree among themselves so I should obviously qualify that. There are obviously some instances where hypnosis is the technique of choice. There is another case in my files in which I went to a...psychiatrist who is trained in hypnosis. He told me he did not want to do it. And his reasons showed the reaction of a true professional. He said "I should not be the one doing it for two reasons. First of all, I do not have enough recent clinical experience with hypnosis. And second, I know you. I've read your books and you're a friend of mine and I know too much about the subject. We should find somebody who is qualified, who knows hypnosis, who has an open mind on UFOs but does not have a personal framework..." It is difficult, but such people exist. Let me mention another case I've worked on recently, the case of a man with a Silicon Valley computer company, who came to me because he remembered seeing some objects over Hawaii. He wanted to be hypnotized because he felt there had been some action of that type (abduction). I took him to a team of two doctors. One is not a psychiatrist but an M.D. who uses hypnosis in his medical practice and the other one is a psychologist who teaches hypnosis to psychologists -- in other words, he is doing research on hypnosis and he teaches it. I asked them what kind of methodology could be used in abduction cases, how would they go about it. they said the only way we should do it is to use the standards of admissibility of hypnosis in court. The state of California has published some very strict guidelines for when hypnosis is admissible in the courts of that state. These guidelines are perfect. They are tailor-made for us in UFO research. Hypnosis is not admissible unless everything is on video tape including the induction phase, so you can see if there are leading questions, you can check if there is full disclosure in the beginning by the hypnotist on what the person is to expect and so on. You should also have physiological measurements; for example, skin response measurements and pulse measurements. You never see this in UFO abduction research. In this case, the two doctors set up a number of instruments that were visible to the cameras. There were two cameras shooting at the same time so you could always see the instruments as you heard the answers; you could have chronological correlation. Another expert could alter say, "that person, doctor, was not hypnotized when he said this. He was not in a state of hypnosis." And different experts could challenge the data and argue. Otherwise what you have is pure garbage, you just have someone saying something on tape. In the case of this man, we found that indeed he remembered a lot about the incident in Hawaii but that the real incident did not happen in Hawaii. It was many years before and there may have been an abduction in the south of the United States when he was in a car with his parents. At that point he became so agitated that the two doctors got him out of hypnosis, which is precisely the point where a ufologist would have jumped up and down and said "Oh goody, let's find out what happened! Did they have big eyes, were they grey, which planet did they take you to..." and so on. But the doctors stopped everything and said "We are not going to do anything further until we have a therapy contract with this man. Obviously this is an extremely traumatic experience for him and if we pick it up again we will pick it up as part of a course of therapy." That is the reaction of true professionals in the business, where you have to worry about possibly causing harm to the patient, and keeping your license and malpractice and everything else -- all the things ufologists treat very lightly. Earley: Have they gone deeper into it? Vallee: We did not pursue it yet. It will be up to him [the subject] to decide if he wants to do more. ANIMAL MUTILATIONS Earley: You wrote some introductory remarks to Linda Moulton Howe's book, An Alien Harvest... Vallee: There are certain parts of the book I would not condone or agree with but it is her right to publish it, and I wanted to support her work on mutilations. I think she is raising a number of important questions the UFO community has been ignoring. Earley: Do you feel that the mutilations are not being done by a normal human agency? Vallee: Ahhh...let me put it this way. I made it clear in Confrontations that I was not going to discuss mutilations even though they were a possibly relevant subject. I've done a number of field studies of mutilation cases on the same level as this in which there was certainly no classic explanation for what had happened to the animals. The witnesses had seen objects in the sky at about the same time the mutilations had happened. That doesn't mean that I can prove a correlation and that's where I stop. I do have an open mind on that. Linda is doing some very good work in that field. More people should be looking at it. I cannot tell you that there is a link between UFOs and mutilations. Earley: Would you be planning to publish your research at some point? Vallee: I don't know. I might. Earley: Thank you very much for your time, Dr. Vallee. I am sure FATE readers will be interested in your remarks. NOTES: 1) Dr. Richard Haines, a retired senior scientist formerly employed by NASA, is the author of several books on UFOs including, Advanced Aerial Devices Reported During the Korean War; L.S.A. Press; 1990 2) "Photo Analysis of an Aerial Disc Over Cost Rica" by Richard F. Haines & Jacques Vallee; Journal of Scientific Exploration, Vol. 3, No. 2, 1989. A response by Haines & Vallee, based on an examination of the original negative, to referee questions, appeared in Vol. 4, N. 1; 1990 as "Photo Analysis of an Aerial Disc Over Costa Rica: New Evidence." 3) Saucer Smear Vol. 37, No. 3, April 30, 1990. 4) "The Thickets of Magonia" by Jerome Clark; International UFO Reporter; Jan.-Feb., 1990. 5) First Contact. ed. by Ben Bova & Byron Preiss; NAL; 1990. 6) Encounters by Edith Fiore, Ph.D.; Doubleday; 1989. 7) "Demystifying Hypnosis" in the Skeptical Inquirer, Vol. 14, No. 3/Spring 1990. the book under review is Hypnosis: The Cognitive-Behavioral Perspective edited by Nicholas P. Spanos & John F. Chaves; Prometheus Books; 1989. Also see They Call It Hypnosis by Robert A. Baker; Prometheus Books; 1990; pages 237- 250, "Hypnosis and Alien Abductions." END PARANET FILE NAME: VALLEE.INT --------EOF------- -- -* Don Allen *- InterNet: dona@bilver.UUCP // Amiga..for the rest of us. USnail: 1818G Landing Dr, Sanford Fl 32771 \X/ Why use anything else? :^) UUCP: ..uunet!tarpit!bilver!vicstoy!dona 0110 0110 0110 Just say NO! Illuminati < MJ-12|Grudge|TLC|CFR|FED|EEC|Bush > WAR = "New World Order" ========================== ufo/aliens #211, from Cix_UseNet, 3812 chars, May 31 02:06 91 -------------------------- TITLE: INFO: CHINA REPORTS MASS UFO SIGHTING +From : dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) +Subject : INFO: CHINA REPORTS MASS UFO SIGHTING This information is presented for your persusal and is a continuation of my policy of informing the public what is currently available. As usual my *disclaimer* is simply to present the data and let you form your own opinion(s). Please feel free to agree,disagree,discuss or ponder :-) As I do not have a great amount of time available to pursue follow-ups exclusively, comments to me should be directed via mail. ------Begin Included Text ------------------------------------------- MUFONET-BBS NETWORK - MUTUAL UFO NETWORK ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ NEWS - WIRE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ =START= XMT: 05:22 Wed May 22 EXP: 05:00 Thu May 23 CHINA REPORTS MASS UFO SIGHTING BEIJING (MAY 22) UPI - Thousands of people attending an official celebration in the southwest province of Sichuan spotted a UFO ''slowly spinning'' through the night sky, a Chinese report said Wednesday. The sighting occurred around midnight May 17 over the Tibetan district of western Xiangcheng county following a heavy rain, according to the semi-official China News Service. The UFO was sighted by a large crowd attending a night rally held to mark the 55th anniversary of the communist Red Army's passage through the region during the 1934-5 Long March, the report said. ''Thousands of people witnessed the UFO shining and moving forward in spirals for 11 minutes,'' the report said. The unidentified object was described as ''slowly spinning, flying from northwest to northeast.'' Xiangcheng county borders Tibet and southwest Yunnan province. The crew of a state-run commercial aircraft also reported spotting a UFO over south Sichuan on the same evening, 335 miles west of the mass sighting, according to the report. ''The time when Xiangcheng county in west Sichuan discovered the UFO on the evening of the 17th was very close to the time when the Southwest Aviation Company discovered a UFO in the air over Xuyong in south Sichuan,'' China News Service said. There was no explanation for the dual sightings. The dispatch cited an unidentified report as saying that a third UFO had been spotted over nearby Yunnan at midnight May 17, but gave no details. =END= -- -* Don Allen *- InterNet: dona@bilver.UUCP // Amiga..for the rest of us. USnail: 1818G Landing Dr, Sanford Fl 32771 \X/ Why use anything else? :^) UUCP: ..uunet!tarpit!bilver!vicstoy!dona 0110 0110 0110 Just say NO! Illuminati < MJ-12|Grudge|TLC|CFR|FED|EEC|Bush > WAR = "New World Order" ========================== ufo/conspiracy #584, from Cix_UseNet, 17734 chars, Jun 2 22:28 91 -------------------------- TITLE: INFO: Lunar Transient Phenomena - Paranet File +From : dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) +Subject : INFO: Lunar Transient Phenomena - Paranet File The following text comes from the ParaNet UFO echo. I'm posting it to the NET as it seems to be interesting. NOTE to cross-posted groups..BEFORE you flame me, how about keeping an OPEN MIND? As I do NOT have alot of time available to pursue follow-ups _exclusively_ , please direct all comments to me via mail. The usual hate mail will get merrily dumped to dev/null, so flame away if you must :-) NOTE: This article re-printed without the express written consent or permission of Paranet. ----Begin Included Text------------------------------------------ Message #6490 - INFO.PARANET Date : 29-May-91 17:00 From : ParaNet(sm) Information Service To : All Subject : Lunar Transient Phenomena ParaNet(sm): Freedom of Information for a better world! (C) 1991 ParaNet(sm) Information Service. All Rights Reserved. ***************************************************************** ParaNet File Number: ***************************************************************** With all of the speculation about alien bases on the moon and strange phenomena being seen occurring around the moon, ParaNet did some research on this and found some very interesting artilces pertaining to this phenomena known as Lunar Transient Phenomena. Although it is far from being proof that aliens have set up bases on the moon, it does provide for some interesting reading. During our search, we found a NASA publication titled "Chronological Catalog of Reported Lunar Events." This is contained in NASA Technical Report R-277, published in July, 1968. This document details Lunar Transient Phenomena dating back to 1540. We will provide this document in another file, but for now, we did find an article that details the scientific communities concern now over this strange phenomena. ================================================================= Reprinted from Sky & Telescope Magazine, March, 1991. LUNAR TRANSIENT PHENOMENA by Winifred Sawtell Cameron, La Ranchita de la Luna, 200 Rojo Drive, Sedona, Arizona On January 24, 1956 amateur lunar observer R. Houghton was drawing the crater Liebig on the edge of Mare Humorum when something bright flashed in the field of his 7-inch telescope. The flare came from the nearby crater Cavendish, which was just emerging from the lunar night. Closer inspection revealed that a peak on the crater's eastern wall was repeatedly flashing. Houghton called astronomer Brian Warner and told him what to look for. Warner too saw the flashes and called them "so conspicuous that they were seen immediately." The other peaks in the vicinity remained normal. On the night of November 2-3, 1958, Soviet astronomer Nikolai A. Kozyrev witnessed a strange phenomenon while making spectrograms of the crater Alphonsus with the Crimean Astrophysical Observatory's 50-inch reflector. As he watched through the telescope's guiding eyepiece, he saw the crater's central peak blur and turn an unusual reddish color. The spectrograms confirmed his visual impressions of a volcanic event; they showed an emission spectrum of carbon vapor (S&T: February, 1959, page 184). On July 19, 1969, the Apollo 11 command module had just achieved orbit around the Moon when the Mission Control Center in Houston, Texas, received word that amateur astronomers reported transient phenomena in the vicinity of the crater Aristarchus. Asked to check out the situation, astronaut Neil Armstrong looked out his window toward the earthlit region and observed an "area that is considerably more illuminated than the surrounding area. It just has -- seems to have a slight amount of fluorescence to it." Although he wasn't sure, Armstrong believed the region was Aristarchus. Accounts of lunar transient phenomena (LTP'S) are not new. Over the past 30 years, I have collected close to 2,000 observations dating from as far back as 557 A.D. Most are visual reports of bright spots, flashes, hazes, and curious temporary colorations of the lunar soil. Reputable observers such as William Herschel, Wilhelm Struve, and E. E. Barnard have seen them. Some LTP's have even been photographed, as well as recorded polarimetrically, photometrically, and spectroscopically. Yet, despite a profusion of observations and six Apollo missions to the Moon, the nature of LTP's remains elusive and their origin an enigma. About 200 of some 30,000 lunar features visible in telescopes have been recorded as LTP sources. Half have shown activity only once. Of the remainder, a mere dozen features contribute three-fourths of all reports. One area, Aristarchus- Herodotus-Schroters Valley, is responsible for fully one-third of the total number sighted. Most LTP activity occurs along the edges of the maria, near volcanic features, like domes, sinuous rilles, and craters with dark halos or floors. But these regions, like the rest of the Moon, have long been considered geologically dead. Circular maria are large, primordial impact basins that were filled with lava about 3 billion years ago. There is evidence, however, that volcanism has occurred in some craters that are perhaps only a million years old. Could the bright flashes, hazes, and colors reported at these sites be proof that the Moon is still active? THOUGHTS ON THE ORIGIN OF LTP'S Possible explanations for LTP's are not lacking. One of the earliest proposals was made by Jack Green of Douglas Advanced Research Laboratories in Huntington Beach, California. While studying the standing levels of water and oil in deep wells, he found that the levels varied in concert with the Moon's anomalistic month (27.55 days, from perigee to perigee), as if the strength of the Moon's tidal force affected the tiny cracks in the bedrock through which oil and water move. Based on this idea, he suggested that LTP's are degassing phenomena brought about by the Earth's tidal effects on the Moon. Maximum degassing, he believed, would occur at the Moon's most eccentric apogees and a minimum at the least eccentric perigees. After analyzing 1,200 observations, however, I could not find such a relationship. Some LTP phenomena may be caused by sunlight interacting with the lunar soil. On October 30, 1963, James Greenacre and Edward Barr observed red spots sparkling on the southwest wall of the crater Aristarchus, the east wall of Schroter's Valley, and a hill between them (S&T: December, 1963, page 316). The phenomena was observed visually by others and recorded spectroscopically as well. At the same lunar phase a month later, Greenacre and Barr saw a similar event. Since sunrise on these features occurs when the Moon is about 11 days old, Greenacre thought that the low lunar Sun was somehow responsible. Indeed, thermoluminesence mat be the cause. Gases in the lunar soil, frozen during the night, could heat up and escape near sunrise. Could high-energy solar particles impacting the Moon also trigger LTP activity? Shortly after a large flare erupted on the Sun in 1963, Zdenek Kopal and Thomas Rackham at Pic du Midi Observatory in southern France photographed a local brightening around the craters Copernicus, Kepler, and Aristarchus. Kopal proposed that energetic particles from the flare caused lunar rocks to fluorescence. Such activity might be expected especially at full phase when the Moon passes through the Earth's magnetosphere, where solar wind particles become trapped. ANALYSIS LTP sightings fall into five categories: brightenings, darkenings, reddish colorations, bluish colorations, and obscurations. When plotted against the lunar anomalistic month, the data show that LTP activity peaks somewhat when the Moon is moving from apogee to perigee, especially about halfway between these points when the Moon is approaching Earth the most rapidly. When the Moon is opposite that point in its orbit, LTP activity is at a deep minimum. Since tidal stressed build from lunar apogee to perigee, one might expect such a pattern. When LTP phenomena are plotted against the Moon's phases, it appears that the most phenomena occur around the time of full Moon (though LTP's have been observed throughout the lunar cycle). Also, more are seen near the sunrise line than the sunset line, though that might be simply because far more people observe the waxing Moon in the evening than the waning Moon after midnight. Gaseous phenomena and anomalistic brightenings seem to peak when the Moon is a waxing crescent. ARE THEY REAL? Some astronomers dismiss all LTP's as either aberrational effects in Earth's atmosphere, changes in lunar lighting conditions, or outright illusions. Such skepticism, however, flies in the face of those who have devoted decades to familiarizing themselves with the Moon, and who very well know these common observational effects. * LTP's are localized phenomena. They are regions or features that experience change while the rest of the Moon remains normal. No doubt some apparent LTP's are caused by atmospheric effects. One is the "ashen glow." Here, sunlight scattered by Earth's clouds is cast onto the Moon's night surface, resulting in LTP's that simply reflect changes in the level of illumination. Another pseudo-LTP concerns bright features fringed with blue (north) and red (south) seen against dark backgrounds. These probably are aberrational effects, namely atmospheric dispersion near the observer, perhaps enhanced by a lingering temperature inversion. Sightings of a starlike point on the Moon may also be disregarded as an LTP. This is the only transient phenomenon I have ever observed myself. But I suspect it is merely a reflection effect from flat facets on areas of large rocky outcrops when the Sun and observer are at just the correct angles. (High magnifications spread the light into an area instead of a point.) Even if we eliminate the three types of non-LTP's discussed here, that still leaves more than 40 percent of the reports unexplained. There is evidence that the remaining LTP's are of lunar origin. a substantial number of sightings were independently confirmed. Professional astronomers have recorded them on film and spectrograms, as well as with photoelectric photometers and polarization equipment. Experiments on the Apollo missions detected trace outgassings of the radioactive elements radon an polonium, suggesting that more substantial amounts of commoner substances were released at the same time. One experiment possibly detected water vapor during the largest moonquake on record (Richter 4). the epicenter of that quake was near or in the large, fractured crater Gauss north of Mare Crisium. To me, this is the one lunar feature that looks as if it had been covered with a thin crust of glass subsequently shattered by an impact. While in lunar orbit, Harrison Schmitt of Apollo 17 witnessed a flash near the crater Grimaldi west of Oceanus Procellarum. Since he was dark adapted, it's possible he saw a cosmic-ray flash within his own eyeball. But it's also possible he saw a lunar event. In the past, Grimaldi had been responsible for more than a dozen reports of flashes. The crater Plato near Mare Imbrium is another source of flashes. Although many craters responsible for LTP sightings have central peaks with summit craters, Plato has none. So the Moon may not be such a cold, lifeless neighbor after all. It still breathes through the action of LTP's, which in my opinion are probably gentle outgassings of less-than-volcanic proportions. Whatever they are, thanks to the LTP's, the Moon remains a curious place. --The author directs the lunar transient phenomena section of the Association of Lunar and Planetary Observers. SOME POSSIBLE CAUSES OF LTP's --The following is a condensation of remarks by J. Hedley Robinson in the December, 1986, Journal of the British Astronomical Association. At least 11 possible causes of lunar transient phenomena (LTP's) have been discussed. As a stimulus to further discussion, it may be helpful to summarize and comment on these. 1. Tidal. There is a greater stress by the Earth when the Moon is at perigee than at other parts of its orbit. The tidal pull may release strains in the crust and permit the release of trapped gases. The tidal effect of Earth on the Moon is 32.5 times greater than the effect of the Moon on the Earth. 2. Albedo changes due to dust movement. There is essentially no atmosphere on the Moon to raise dust, so this does not seem likely as an explanation. 3. Thermal shock. The lunar surface temperature varies from 125 degrees to -80 degrees Celsius during a two-hour period at both sunrise and sunset, and most LTP's occur within three days of local sunrise or sunset. LTP's could be related to the fact that dissimilar materials expand and contract at differing rates. Although the maria heat and cool more rapidly than other parts of the Moon's surface, at a depth of just 10 cm the rock temperature is constant. Thermal conditions may be regarded as incidental to LTP's rather than the main cause. 4. Magnetic. Solar plasma bombards the lunar surface, even when the Moon is in the Earth's magnetic tail, and the movement of the Moon in and out of the magnetic tail changes the field strength. But charged particles penetrate the lunar surface to only one-third the depth reached by the Sun's thermal rays. If thermal shock is considered to be insufficient to cause LTP phenomena, then the much weaker electromagnetic effect below the surface must also be discounted. 5. Ultraviolet radiation from the Sun might cause fluorescence at visible wavelengths, because there is virtually no atmosphere to shield the lunar surface. I doubt that the effect is strong enough to produce visible reactions as bright, or as large, as the usual LTP's. 6. Solar-wind plasma impacting the surface could produce an electric discharge, but I doubt that the energy involved is great enough to cause an effect visible from Earth. LTP's could, however, be caused by the explosion of chemically reactive molecules and free radicals in small hollows; and solar wind plasma may produce such reactive molecules in rocks. But solar-wind plasma hardly looks like a prime cause. 7. Spectral diffraction from surface grains or irregularities too small for telescopic resolution may cause color. The lunar surface presents many angels to the observer, and these vary with libration in both latitude and longitude as well as with diurnal libration. With the varying lunar surface slopes, many simultaneous diffraction angles should be presented. But if this were the cause of LTP's, the effects should show all over the disk from time to time, whereas they in fact show local preferences. 8. Meteor strikes. These have been claimed frequently. One of the best observed was reported by the Smithsonian Institution near the Apollo 14 site on May 13, 1972, when a meteor impact released an energy equal to that of 1,000 tons of TNT. But meteor strikes cover only a small area on the lunar surface when compared to the size of LTP's. 9. Moonquakes are often deep seated but very weak, with a preference for times of perigee or apogee. There seems to be no obvious connection between the frequency of moonquakes and sightings of LTP phenomena. 10. False color is a regular feature in larger telescopes due to terrestrial atmospheric conditions. This can be guarded against by comparing a suspected LTP event with the appearance of other formations on the lunar surface at the same time, and is well recognized by practiced observers. 11. The piezoelectric effect is well known on Earth, for example when rock strain generates a strong electric field that ionizes the air above the rock, causing a glow. The field moves with the strain source. There are Soviet reports that the magnetic field drops suddenly when underground tension is released. Conclusion. The foregoing indicates courses that our thinking and research might follow. I am of the opinion that tidal strain or thermal shock causing outgassing and producing a piezoelectric effect might be the most plausible explanation. J. Hedley Robinson Helmington, 21 Inverteign Dr. Teignmouth, Devon TQ14 9AF England END PARANET FILE NAME: LUNAR.TXT ----EOF--- -- -* Don Allen *- InterNet: dona@bilver.UUCP // Amiga..for the rest of us. USnail: 1818G Landing Dr, Sanford Fl 32771 \X/ Why use anything else? :^) UUCP: ..uunet!tarpit!bilver!vicstoy!dona 0110 0110 0110 Just say NO! Illuminati < MJ-12|Grudge|TLC|CFR|FED|EEC|Bush > WAR = "New World Order" d:\tp\x.1 => d:\tp\x.1 0 file(s) copied ========================== ufo/aliens #172, from Cix_UseNet, 10048 chars, May 31 02:55 91 -------------------------- TITLE: INFO: Review of MUFON book on MJ-12 +From : dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) +Subject : INFO: Review of MUFON book on MJ-12 This information is presented for your persusal and is a continuation of my policy of informing the public what is currently available. As usual my *disclaimer* is simply to present the data and let you form your own opinion(s). Please feel free to agree,disagree,discuss or ponder :-) As I do not have a great amount of time available to pursue follow-ups exclusively, comments to me should be directed via mail. The following article comes off the ParaNet UFO echo. -----Begin Included Text---------------------------------------------- Message #6038 - INFO.PARANET Date : 27-May-91 12:28 From : ncar!PSUVM.PSU.EDU!CCB104 To : All Subject : Here's an Item for Inclusion in Info-Paranet Newsletters . . . From: ncar!PSUVM.PSU.EDU!CCB104@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM Date: 27 May 91 01:35:27 GMT Message-ID: <12444@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM> Newsgroups: info.paranet From: CCB104@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Mr. T. Scott Crain, Jr., published author and MUFON State Director for Pennsylvania, has asked me to submit this note for Info-Paranet Newsletter readers concerning his new book that was published by MUFON. (I understand that this is also the *first* book proper to be published by MUFON.) This article is *slightly* edited (punctuation, spelling, etc.) for increased readability, but otherwise it is a faithful rendering of the materials with which I was provided for transmission. 'This article originally appeared in the April 1991 issue of the *MUFON UFO Journal*, No. 276, (c) Copyright 1991 by the Mutual UFO Network, 103 Oldtowne Rd., Seguin, Texas 78155-4099.' It appears here by permission of MUFON for circulation in Info-Paranet Newsletters. (The author is T. Scott Crain, Jr.) -------------<<
>>------------- The Book on MJ-12 Nothing in the past few years has caused more controversy in the UFO field than the release of the Operation Majestic-12 Briefing Document in 1987. The document, dated September 18, 1952, states that on September 24, 1947, President Harry S Truman established a secret panel of twelve distinguished scientists, military [officials], and intelligence officials to oversee and study crashed UFOs and their occupants. Majestic's first case [had] occurred two months earlier, when the team allegedly recovered a crashed disc on July 7 near Roswell, New Mexico. Although the Roswell crash is well-documented in UFO literature, is what is described in the MJ-12 document itself an accurate portrayal of the recovery? For four years UFO researchers have been debating whether the MJ-12 document is authentic and whether or not the content of the document represents reality. Shortly after the MJ-12 document was released, Manitoba UFO researcher Grant Cameron and I began looking for former scientists who may have had knowledge of the MJ-12 committee. We worked under the assumption that the document was accurate in its description of a special group to handle UFO recoveries for the government. If MJ-12 was real, someone working in the upper levels of the government would surely remember a committee by that name that was active in the late 1940s and early 1950s. Confirming MJ-12 has been difficult. All the original, designated MJ-12 members are dead. Although various alleged government documents have been uncovered alluding to the MJ-12 committee, the U.S. Government has not publicly acknowledged that these documents or, for that matter, the MJ-12 documents, are genuine. An interesting development occurred in November 1983, when UFO researcher William Steinman received a letter back from American physicist Dr. Robert I. Sarbacher regarding UFO recoveries. In the early 1950s, Sarbacher was working as a consultant for the military's Research and Development Board, the same Board that allegedly controlled Operation Majestic-12, according to the MJ-12 documents. In his letter to Steinman, Sarbacher reported that secret meetings about UFO recoveries were held but [that] he did not personally attend them. Gordon Creighton wrote in the October 1985 issue of the *Flying Saucer Review*, published in England, that Dr. Sarbacher stated [that] these meetings were held at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton, Ohio. Apparently those involved in the recoveries were to report their findings to scientists connected with the Research & Development Board. Sarbacher wrote [to] Steinman that he did talk to some of the people at the office about what was learned. According to Sarbacher, U.S. laboratories analyzed UFO hardware from the crashes and ... the pilots looked like certain insects observed on earth. During a telephone interview with UFO researcher Stanton Friedman, Sarbacher was asked if he could recall anyone who did attend the meetings. Sarbacher gave enough clues to Friedman about a scientist he remembered being there that when Steinman cross-checked the information, the description fit the profile for Dr. Eric A. Walker, the former President of Penn State University. Steinman said [that] he called Sarbacher to confirm his suspicions and [that] Sarbacher allegedly confirmed that Dr. Eric Walker, who was then Executive Secretary of the Research & Development Board, attended all the UFO meetings. When Cameron and I discovered [that] Dr. Walker might be involved, we set out to document what he may have learned from those meetings and what the Canadian and American governments were doing with this new-found knowledge. Although our investigation started in 1987, William Steinman had been familiar with Walker's potential involvement since 1984. After several ... [unproductive] attempts to correspond with Walker by mail, Steinman phoned him on August 30, 1987. During the conversation, Steinman said that Walker indicated [that] he had known about MJ-12 since 1947 and that Steinman '... was delving into an area that you can do absolutely nothing about,' and to '... drop it." Cameron and I pursued the Walker connection for a book we were working on entitled *UFOs, MJ-12, and the Government* [subtitle: *A Report on Government Involvement in UFO Crash Retrievals*] up until 1991. Walker was contacted by various UFO researchers from 1987-1990, and we were privy to the notes of these conversations in which Walker made some very candid remarks about MJ-12 and UFO crashes. In a conversation in 1990, Walker described MJ-12 as a '... handful of elite' and [that] he would know if you were invited into the group. Besides the in-depth reporting on Walker, we investigated several other scientists who may have been involved, including Dr. Luis W. Alvarez, a Nobel Prize winner, who allegedly assisted in the recovery of a saucer in Mexico. We corresponded frequently with news commentator George Knapp of KLAS-TV in Las Vegas, Nevada, to get the story behind physicist Robert Lazar, who claims the government has at least nine flying saucers they're test flying and taking apart out at Nellis Air Force Base, in Nevada. We looked at the experiences noted UFO researchers have had in dealing with the government, including those of Bill Moore, Linda Howe, Wilbert Smith, Lee Graham and Donald Keyhoe. We also looked at putative government agents who appear to be involved, including Richard Doty and several who go by the names 'Falcon' and "Condor." We examined several UFO crashes that the government appears to have been involved in, including those in Roswell, New Mexico; Kecksburg, Pennsylvania; and the Kalahari Desert in South Africa. MUFON's State Director Stan Gordon opened up his files to us on the 1965 Kecksburg UFO crash. New evidence released in December 1990 indicated that the acorn-shaped object [recovered] was eventually moved to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. We corresponded with Michael Hesemann in Germany and Henry Azadehdel in England to uncover the facts behind the alleged 1989 incident over South Africa, where a UFO was supposedly shot down by a South African Air Force pilot. Finally, we explored the possibility that perhaps what might have been learned from UFO crashes in the late 1940s/early 1950s may have been instrumental in helping the U.S. Government develop certain technologies that are now being used on the advanced aircraft being secretly test flown in the 'Dreamland' area of Nellis Air Force Base. The evidence we have gathered seems to indicate [that] the government developed teams to retrieve unknown aerial objects, that they analyzed the recovered UFO hardware, and [that] they are now attempting to duplicate that technology on today's aircraft. Our book presents an interesting mix of various government documents, letters, telephone notes, and photographs detailing how the government is misleading the public about the true nature of UFOs. * Grant Cameron and Scott Crain's new book *UFOs, MJ-12, and the * Government---A Report on Government Involvement in UFO Crash * Retrievals* is being published by the Mutual UFO Network and will be * available May 1, 1991. The 218-page, 8.5x11 paperback book is heavily * illustrated with documents, correspondence and photographs. The price * for this revealing book is $18.45 plus $1.50 for postage and handling, * totaling $19.95. Orders are now being taken by MUFON in Seguin, TX. * [ADDR: Mutual UFO Network, 103 Oldtowne Rd., Seguin, TX 78155-4099 USA] * Make checks or money orders payable to MUFON in the U.S.A. All foreign * purchases must be by International Postal Money Order, checks made * payable to a U.S. Bank with electronic route coding across the bottom * of the check, or by cash in U.S. dollars. -------------<<
>>------------- ----EOF---- -- -* Don Allen *- InterNet: dona@bilver.UUCP // Amiga..for the rest of us. USnail: 1818G Landing Dr, Sanford Fl 32771 \X/ Why use anything else? :^) UUCP: ..uunet!tarpit!bilver!vicstoy!dona 0110 0110 0110 Just say NO! Illuminati < MJ-12|Grudge|TLC|CFR|FED|EEC|Bush > WAR = "New World Order" ========================== ufo/aliens #173, from Cix_UseNet, 8685 chars, May 31 02:47 91 -------------------------- TITLE: INFO: Alien Fetus Recovered?? +From : dona@bilver.uucp (Don Allen) +Subject : INFO: Alien Fetus Recovered?? This information is presented for your persusal and is a continuation of my policy of informing the public what is currently available. As usual my *disclaimer* is simply to present the data and let you form your own opinion(s). Please feel free to agree,disagree,discuss or ponder :-) As I do not have a great amount of time available to pursue follow-ups exclusively, comments to me should be directed via mail. The following article comes off the ParaNet UFO echo. ------Begin Included Text--------------------------------------------- Message #6058 - INFO.PARANET Date : 28-May-91 23:31 From : ParaNet(sm) Information Service To : All Subject : Alien Fetus Recovered?? ***************************************************************** I M P O R T A N T N O T I C E concerning the following text file ***************************************************************** ParaNet makes no endorsement of this material and the views expressed herein are not necessarily the views of ParaNet. This information is provided as a public service only. This file is SHARETEXT material. This means that you are free to distribute it to anyone you like, as long as it is not used for commercial purposes, you do not charge for it, you do not remove this header, or change the contents in anyway. Additionally, we ask that you contribute to ParaNet, if possible, to assure a continuation of this valuable, educational SHARETEXT service. The suggested contribution is $75.00 and entitles you to full access to our comprehensive library and our network of electronic affiliates all over the world. Other services are available. Mail your contribution to: ParaNet Information Service P.O. Box 172 Wheat Ridge, CO 80034-0172 ParaNet(sm): Freedom of Information for a better world! (C) 1991 ParaNet(sm) Information Service. All Rights Reserved. **************************************************************** ParaNet File Number: 01155 **************************************************************** ParaNet received a clipping from Lorne Goldfader, director of the Vancouver-based UFO Research Institute of Canada (UFORIC). It details an investigation by Goldfader into an alleged recovered fetus that was miscarried by a British Columbian woman who claimed that she was impregnated during an abduction event. Goldfader has disclosed to ParaNet that at this time the specimen is in a pathology lab being tested and that results of these tests will be forthcoming soon. At this time, there is very little information to substantiate that anything unusual has happened. According to the victim, the pregnancy is unusual as she claims she is celibate. Although this is not a good case for an unexplained pregnancy at the hands of aliens, we have reprinted the article for informational purposes. ParaNet will provide an update as information is available. ================================================================= SEX, SURGERY AND SPACE ALIENS Extra-terrestrials seem to prefer British Columbia Reprinted from an article appearing in The Weekly Newsmagazine, British Columbian Report, May 27, 1991, Volume 2 Number 39. Last week researcher Chris Rutkowski, of Winnipeg revealed that British Columbians reported 114, or 49% of the 232 UFO sightings in Canada in 1990. For some the survey was confirmation of a long-held belief that B.C. is home to more than its share of those on the lunatic fringe. But for those who claim to have encountered beings from outer space, the survey was a confidence-builder. They could take comfort in the knowledge that more and more of their neighbours[sic] are willing to risk being classified as crazies[sic], by speaking of encounters with extra-terrestrials. Alvena Scott, a 41-year old Vancouver receptionist, is one of those finding security in numbers. Miss Scott claims she has been about as close as anyone can get to a space alien. Indeed she is one of about 20 people in the Vancouver area who say they have been abducted by extra-terrestrial. Apparently some of the aliens were nice enough to operate on her to repair a faulty kidney. Others, however, were only interested in her reproductive capacity. She says the latter group impregnated her during a March 1990 abduction. Three months later, despite the fact she had been celibate for years, she experienced a miscarriage. Miss Scott says that in the summer of 1985 she was experiencing excruciating pain in the area of her left kidney. Doctors told her the kidney would have to be removed but she feared surgery and would not consent to an operation. She explains that during this period she began nightly meditations and it was after one of these sessions that the first alien showed up in her bedroom. The next thing she knew she was in a circular room surrounded by seven-foot-tall, blue-eyed, human- like creatures. She awoke in her bed the next morning to find blood on her sheets and on her torso. But her kidney problem was gone. Miss Scott says that five years after her encounter with the beneficent, tall, blue-eyed beings she had a bad experience with some small, insect-featured extra-terrestrials. She claims that in March of 1990 she was "forcibly taken" in the middle of the night to a spaceship. Apart from going through a series of tunnels she remembers nothing of the journey to the spaceship but she has vivid recollections of her experiences aboard the aliens' craft. She was one of about 20 "earth people," of both sexes, on the ship. After communicating with the aliens by telepathy she learned the earth women would have sperm "injected into them." She received sperm but was not told who or what provided it. Three months later she had a miscarriage. A tissue sample from the miscarriage has allegedly been given Lorne Goldfader, director of the Vancouver-based UFO Research Institute of Canada (UFORIC). Mr. Goldfader says other UFO researchers have had evidence of UFOs mysteriously disappearing. To reduce the risk of theft he's not disclosing where the tissue is being stored. The 41-year-old Vancouver postal worker says the sample, which "appears to be the first stage of a foetus[sic]," will be examined by a pathologist in due course. However, as of last week, despite a year-long search, Mr. Goldfader had been unable to find a lab willing to perform the analysis. Another UFO researcher, Graham Conway from Delta, says that based on his knowledge of the case and the phenomenon, the sample tissue "does indeed look to be what he (Mr. Goldfader) claims it is." Mr. Conway, 64, described the material as a tiny but "perfectly human (-looking) foetus[sic] with a tiny umbilical chord[sic] attached to it." The former high school teacher says he has no doubts about Miss Scott's "sincerity" in the matter. And after 44 years in the (UFO research) field, he thinks this might well be the long-awaited breakthrough in abduction research. His experience in the field leads him to believe that accounts like those of Miss Scott are becoming too numerous to ignore. "If it's a figment of the imagination, it is happening to a lot of imaginations. I believe that there's inference with birth." In another case he investigated, a B.C. woman reported being taken aboard a spacecraft and introduced to a boy she was told was her son. He says most of the women who report such genetic tampering are in the 35-40 age group. He adds that a significant number of "abducted" women have been sexually abused in their earth lives. For her part Miss Scott says the alien encounters not only cured her kidney problems but also gave her a whole new outlook on life and made her "a much more spiritual person." Still, she confesses that there has been a negative side-effect. "My relatives think I'm nuts." -- Barbara Tandory END PARANET FILE NAME: FETUS.UFO ----EOF---- -- -* Don Allen *- InterNet: dona@bilver.UUCP // Amiga..for the rest of us. USnail: 1818G Landing Dr, Sanford Fl 32771 \X/ Why use anything else? :^) UUCP: ..uunet!tarpit!bilver!vicstoy!dona 0110 0110 0110 Just say NO! Illuminati < MJ-12|Grudge|TLC|CFR|FED|EEC|Bush > WAR = "New World Order" ========================== ufo/conspiracy #557, from Cix_UseNet, 1856 chars, Jun 1 22:25 91 -------------------------- TITLE: BUSH SON LINKED TO NUGAN HAND +From : lacc@peg.UUCP +Subject : BUSH SON LINKED TO NUGAN HAND [THE FOLLOWING ARTICLE IS FROM "THE NEW DAWN", VOL. 1, NO. 2, JUNE 1991. $25 FOR 12 ISSUES. FOR FURTHER INFORMATION WRITE TO: THE NEW DAWN, AUSTRALIAN PEOPLE'S CONFERENCE, GPO BOX 3126FF, MELBOURNE, 3001, AUSTRALIA. ARTICLE MAY BE REPRINTED PROVIDED THAT SOURCE IS CREDITED TOGETHER WITH FULL ADDRESS. * ALL COMMUNICATION SHOULD BE DIRECTED TO THE ABOVE ADDRESS *] BUSH'S SON LINKED TO NUGAN HAND BANK George Bush's eldest son, George W., is involved in a business deal in the Persian Gulf with one William H. Quasha, a Manila attorney who represented the Philippines branch of the Nugan Hand Bank. Nugan Hand is the notorious CIA proprietary that collapsed in 1980 amid charges that it was deeply involved in laundering drug money. In 1977, it was revealed that Nugan Hand was part of a network that had exported billions of dollars' worth of heroin from Bangkok prior to June 1976. (George Bush, senior, took over as head of the CIA in January 1976). According to published accounts, Quasha tried to obstruct investigations into Nugan Hand's illegal operations, advising Gen. LeRoy Manor, Nugan Hand's representative in the Philippines, to flee the country to avoid official investigators. Quasha and his son, New York attorney Alan G. Quasha, are among the principal owners of Harken Energy Corp., a Texas-based oil company that took over George W. Bush's failing oil company, Spectrum 7, in 1986. The younger Bush has served on Harken's board of directors since then. In January 1990, Harken received exclusive exploration and drilling rights to all of Bahrain's off-shore territories, a deal which Charles Strain, a Houston-based energy analyst, told Forbes magazine was "an incredible deal, unbelievable for this small company."