|2-L.S.D. |1-What the bloody hell's going on??? I must have missed something somewhere through having my nose firmly buried into construction of The Word issue seven, because after I'd got it finished and out of the way I got loads of files from LSD, EX-4 and others, all slagging each other off! Here're all the files that I got from Deck the Ripper/NFA, make of them what you will! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- An _Independant_ reply to 2-Cool By Ken D - of LSd Right, listen up 2-Cool (and anyone else that's interested). I've just downloaded the wonderfully bloated "2coolbye.lha" file, and had a good read of the message within. What was the point of having the text contained within an executable file? You weren't trying to show off now, were you? By all means slag off LSd members individually. But DO NOT - REPEAT, *DO NOT* - globally write off ALL LSd members, because that includes me. I've never even spoke to you, so what gives you the right to request that all sysops remove my account from their BBS's? I'm both insulted and angry that you didn't at least edit your comments down. Any respect I ever had for you is long gone. You left LSd in a huff, after getting your facts SPECTACUARLY wrong about the LSd CD's (where's the piles of cash Pazza & Mub were making, then?). You (indirectly) tried to lure myself and several of my friends within LSd into the failed EX-4 "group" (who have been far more inactive in the last 12 months than LSd ever were). Promises were made that I was to be the main editor of your new diskmag, Communique - what happened to that? You lied, backstabbed and bullshitted just as much as anyone. People in glass houses ... ^37^^480 I've been in LSd for over 3 years now. I've seen members come and go, some of whom I know, some of whom I don't. As LSd is one of the UK's oldest groups, it's naturally a target for every up and coming band of thieves. EX-4 seemed to spend 90% of their time finding ways to try and undermine LSd. Ever remember a guy called D-Man? LSd's still here, D-Man ain't. Sysops: LSd are not the Masons. If one member is bad, it doesn't mean the rest are. Judge each person on his or her own strengths, not just on which group they are currently in. If you've got a problem with an account on YOUR BBS, delete it because YOU want to - not because you've been told to by some twisted ex-member of LSd tells you to. 2-Cool: If you can't leave a group without getting bitter and paranoid, I reckon we - that's both the scene and LSd - are better off without you. Ken D - still in LSd, still doing Grapevine, 03/09/95 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Tu Prisoner / Lsd Well M8! I red ya lame text file and yup! yu maid sum valid poynts, the only thing ya din't figer out was that I had no ideer wotsoever that brickwall had awl thees feetures, a lot of uther peepel did and they left me messages on sum bbs' tu tell me and some peepul even foned me tu tell me abowt awl thees feetures, so now eye don't feel so bad :) FUCK!!! ya disapoynt me dewd! I thought yu of awl peeps would have pict up on that, still! never mind! ya can now vote for yaself in your own lame charts, carnt ya?! Now! I dont want ya being modest and saying, NO! I don't deserve it cos yu deserve it just as much as enybody else, dont yu go worrying about uther peeps not voting for ya cos I'll stick by ya to make shure ya get at least one vote. ya hurd the expreshun "The blind leading the blind" so dus the expreshun "The lame leading the lame" meen that yor gonna win in the lame charts?? ummm! well! keep up the the lame work on ya Lame Charts! at least it shows that yor a productive member of Lsd, Sheesh!. There ya go m8! that littul lot shud give ya sumat to bitch abowt hey? :) If nuthin else ittul give ya summat tu brighten ya sorry life up with. Now dont yu go not replying to this, cos then eye wud be dissapoynted, I luk fourwerd to hearing ya reply, (don't let me down!!) :) sorree abowt the spelling dewd!! sumat rong with the keez!! hahahaha!! Cyanide / LSD P.S. Thanx to all the dudes that got in touch and put me straight about Brickwall, I feel a lot better :)))) P.P.S. I wonder if that upsets Prisoner hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Why LSD Suck v2... Well whatever you think or want to believe?, my text was composed of many facts and truths (and yes I will agree with you and say it did also including a lot of slagging vented in anger at THEM getting an old friend of mine busted by their revenege and greed) but I must say that your idea of me being "intensly bitter & jealous" of LSD really did make me laugh. I don`t feel jealous about lsd. Infact my opinion is that LSD`s current existance is soley to keep Andy (Fish) happy and give him something to do. No matter what you may think or have read LSD did actually loose a *LOT* of their best most ^productive members^ when the Art (coder) and myself (also coder as you may know) left. For starters Trixter (coder) then said he was going to leave but was just waiting to get his promised 'free 144k modem' from funds from the LSD CD`s PROFITS'. (although this never happened and eventually he got fed up waiting and left anyway). Then there was Arctangent, he`d left just days before (one of the ONLY active graphics artists at the time). And also because lsd toward`s the end of 94 lsd was already beginning to get its now well established scene 'hate' status lots of other guys actually joined EX4. Where talking the likes of Zadd (graphics & musician) The Assassin (music), Deltex (music), Batfink (coder), etc. etc. <-- All these people joined EX4 but would NOT join LSD because of the bad name. Also I was leading a double working life at the time and also working under the handle of "The Raptor". So in that one week they lost all their active assembly intro/demo/production coders. In one sense though you may be right about me fighting a loosing battle against LSD. The reason I say this is because no matter how dead the group is fish will never ever let it die. Now this has been prooved time and time again by the complete inconsistancy of quaility productions, members and releases of Grapevine. You have even re-emphasised this point to me by your insistance on LSD have "100+ CONFIRMED LSD MEMBERS" (!) Oh come on! Hahah. If you really honestly believe this you`ve been totally brainwashed by their repeated lies. LSD have never had 100 members nor will they ever have 100 members (unless a new law is enforced allowing all misfits of society to join?? What its already inforced?? Maybe that would explain it then... ) .. Around 30 members *was* a realistic estimate and that was when they in their prime some 2 or 3 years ago! When I was in LSD we didn`t even have *ONE* graphics artist or *ONE* musician who would or could do us any graphics or music for any productions. The situation was really so bad that The Art when asked to do doc-disk intros ended up having to ; 1. design the intro itself 2. code the intro in assembly 3. draw all the graphics 4. compose all the music 5. even write the bloody scrolltexts... LSD for the last 12 months have only (if at all) partially survived on re-releases and re-hashes of other peoples old /X source-codes that where kicking about on Pazza`s and Mub`s "Coder BBS`s" (now I know why they wanted all the source-codes). Only their name has been kept alive by the policy of LSD to let ANY TRADER in any group join. And this was only just too keep the LSD name banded around the scene bbs`s to stop people really thinking they had died when we left. I KNOW for a COMPLETE FACT (yes another one) that LSD does not have no where your funny "100+ CONFIRMED" members. This is again prooved by the groups inability to code their OWN docdisk menu system for their lame docdisk releases (which are they only think that has kept people from thinking lsd was dead). If Lsd have even JUST ONE competant coder that could write a better docdisk that the one I slapped together nearly 2 years ago now then they would have written their own AGES AGO. It really grates fish to stil have to use my one.. He hates it but if he didn`t the LSD docdisks would revert back to their old 'cli menu' status and get nuked from EVERY BBS. Only the nice coded interface is keeping this from happening! And wake up if you think that the 'lsd prick wall' ansi door is so orgasmic that you quote it as being 'Fast Well Coded, jam packed full of features and looks great'.. Hahah, Com on! There are enough source-codes to these "so-tricky-to-code-that-they-NEED-to-be-well- coded" walls floating around on the scene to rebuild the Berlin Wall! ... TWICE OVER... If thats the extent of LSD`s current Expertise I`m suprised anyone is left (including yourself) ... apart from Fish ofcourse.. The SIMPLE TRUTH is that LSD now has probably less than >10< *ACTIVE* productive members (excluding the loads of traders) in the *ENTIRE* group, even then this is probably an OVER ESTIMATION.. Gezzus.. And even this information is changing soon with the leaving of at 4 of its unhappy members (who have phoned me and chatted about it) due to leave in the next 3 weeks.. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-