Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!xlink.net!subnet.sub.net!nadia!amylnd!ibase!addx.stgt.sub.org!karsten Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games X-NewsReader: IntuiNews 1.1 (16.09.93) References: <93289.203048MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> <93290.204102MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> <1993Oct18.050037.7388@koko.csustan.edu> From: "Karsten Weiss" Reply-To: Karsten Weiss MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Date: Sat, 23 Oct 93 20:31:55 Subject: Re: Frontier AGA! Message-ID: <89279548@addx.stgt.sub.org> Lines: 17 David Alan Steiger wrote about Re: Frontier AGA!: DAS> Also, on those curved surfaces, is he really using some sort of spline DAS> curve, or are those really just a lot of straight lines so small that DAS> the res hides the angles? I would like to know this, too! Does anybody have an experience with such kind of curved surfaces? So long, Karsten +--------------------------------------+----------------------+ | UUCP: karsten@addx.stgt.sub.org | 'Life Is Ours, | | FIDO: 2:2407/106.10 (Karsten Weiss) | We Live It Our Way' | | Voice: +49-(0)7192-8444 | (Metallica) | +--------------------------------------+----------------------+ Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!xlink.net!subnet.sub.net!nadia!amylnd!ibase!addx.stgt.sub.org!karsten Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games X-NewsReader: IntuiNews 1.1 (16.09.93) References: <93289.203048MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> <93290.204102MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> <29vecq$emn@diemen.utas.edu.au> From: "Karsten Weiss" Reply-To: Karsten Weiss MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Date: Sat, 23 Oct 93 20:37:17 Subject: Re: Frontier AGA! Message-ID: <89279550@addx.stgt.sub.org> Lines: 22 James McCoull wrote about Re: Frontier AGA!: JM> >and judge how good it looks. The detail level is tremendously high, JM> >it extensively uses curved polygons (never been done before in a JM> >commercial game) and just generally looks fantastic. IMHO. JM> JM> Not quite. Adrian the programmer of Interphase was the first programmer JM> to use circles and ellipses. Then this graphics rendering technology was used JM> by Vector Grafix in one of their programs [was it killing cloud]. ...and not to forget cylinders! BTW: Does anybody have Adrian Steven's e-mail address? So long, Karsten +--------------------------------------+----------------------+ | UUCP: karsten@addx.stgt.sub.org | 'Life Is Ours, | | FIDO: 2:2407/106.10 (Karsten Weiss) | We Live It Our Way' | | Voice: +49-(0)7192-8444 | (Metallica) | +--------------------------------------+----------------------+ Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!seunet!seunet!piraya!overdose!Mike_Noreen From: Mike_Noreen@p14.anet.bbs.bad.se (Mike Noreen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Frontier AGA! Message-ID: Date: Sun, 24 Oct 93 11:46:55 +0200 References: Sender: BadNet@piraya.bad.se Reply-To: Mike_Noreen@p14.anet.bbs.bad.se (Mike Noreen) Distribution: world Organization: De Profundis, Stockholm, Sweden OD-Comment-To: Ralph_Barbagallo Lines: 18 In the message * Re: Frontier AGA! * Ralph wrote: RB> The flickering is just BAD light sourcing. Braben shouldn't RB> have bothered with the light sourcing if he was only going to use 16 RB> colors. You need more subtle shades. The actual game flickers much less. It's only visible on planet surfaces, especially if you've got a beacon in view. The actual game is faster than the demo aswell, and the demo doesn't even run with the highest level of detail... RB> Ralph A.Barbagallo III_Only AMIGA Makes it RB> Possible!_nugget@genesis.nred.ma.us MVH: Mike Noreen InterNet: radharc@p14.anet.bbs.bad.se FidoNet: 2:201/411.14 --- Spot 1.2b Unreg. Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!tadpole.com!news.dell.com!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!news.kpc.com!amd!netcomsv!netcom.com!farren From: farren@netcom.com (Mike Farren) Subject: Re: Frontier AGA! Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <2a8pna$n9f@mtu.edu> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 09:57:23 GMT Lines: 47 ebgoold@news.mtu.edu (Eric B. Goold) writes: >Hmm... I must not understand something here... Why is there a big increase >from 4-5 bitplanes?? Here's the timing of video and CPU memory accesses. The first figure is the system clock, the next two lines indicate when the various bitplanes' data is accessed, and the uparrows on the third indicate the times the CPU will try and access memory. +--------+ +--------+ +--------+ +--------+ | | | | | | | | Clock | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | --+ +--------+ +--------+ +--------+ +--- LoRes Planes 0 1 2 3 4 5 0 1 2 3 4 5 0 1 2 3 4 5 0 1 2 3 4 5 Hires Planes 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 3 0 1 2 CPU ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^ ^^^ -------- As you can see, the CPU accesses memory on every other clock cycle. Or tries to, anyhow - the DMA circuitry on the Amiga automatically locks out the CPU if the video circuitry is accessing memory. This lockout is on a cycle-by-cycle basis, so if there is *any* video access during a particular cycle, even if it does not use the entire cycle, the CPU is still locked out for the entire cycle. So, when you have four or fewer planes (two or fewer in HiRes), the CPU has free access to CHIP RAM. As soon as you add the fifth plane (or the third, in HiRes), the CPU is locked out *completely* during video access, which means all the time except during the horizontal and vertical blank periods. This results in a *massive* slowdown if the CPU is operating out of CHIP RAM. It isn't 50%, it's *much* more than that. And that is the reason that any game which is CPU-intensive will not operate well if it has 32 colors - unless, of course, you have FAST RAM and the game's operation is from that FAST RAM. For FAST RAM, there is no problem with contention at all, as the CPU can freely access FAST RAM, the video can freely access CHIP RAM, and everyone is happy... -- Michael J. Farren farren@netcom.com Unconnected with Commodore for almost two years, now! Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!tadpole.com!news.dell.com!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!news.kpc.com!amd!netcomsv!netcom.com!farren From: farren@netcom.com (Mike Farren) Subject: Re: Frontier AGA! Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <2aamhbINN69q@dubhe.anu.edu.au> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 10:02:25 GMT Lines: 25 tayschon@mehta.anu.edu.au (Sam Taylor) writes: >Perhaps you could answer this - one question I've always had about >the bandwidth of the OCS is: > "How come 4 hi-res planes != 8 low-res planes??" The OCS and ECS chips simply don't have the ability to handle 8 planes. The time slots are available, but the chips can't use them. >Surely that means that OCS machines potentially have enough >DMA slots to display 8 low-res plane images? Yep - the slots are there, but the other registers needed to display those two bitplanes don't exist. If you were to make an ECS chipset that would display 8 bitplanes, you would need to add two more sets of bitplane pointer registers, modulo registers, and the like. And worse, you'd need to add *212* color registers. With the technology available at the time the OCS/ECS chips were designed, this would have been prohibitive, in both chip real estate and in cost. -- Michael J. Farren farren@netcom.com Unconnected with Commodore for almost two years, now! Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!utcsri!cdf.toronto.edu!g1tomyee From: g1tomyee@cdf.toronto.edu (Yee Tom) Subject: Re: Frontier AGA! Message-ID: <1993Oct25.123206.23681@cdf.toronto.edu> Organization: University of Toronto Computing Disciplines Facility References: <2a8pna$n9f@mtu.edu> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 12:32:06 GMT Lines: 41 In article <2a8pna$n9f@mtu.edu> ebgoold@news.mtu.edu (Eric B. Goold) writes: >Mats A Knip (knip@snakemail.hut.fi) wrote: > >: Unfortunately, there is a big leap in performance when you move >: from 4 to 5 bitplanes, much bigger than when moving up from 2 or >: 3, so 32 colours would have slowed down the game *considerably*. >: This is why hardly any vector games use 32 colors on the Amiga. >: You loose more in speed than you gain in colours. On AGA-equipped >: computers this is not the case, though. > >Hmm... I must not understand something here... Why is there a big increase >from 4-5 bitplanes?? > >The way I understand it: > > 4 to 5: 25 % increase in rendering costs. > > 16 to 32: 100 % increase in colors. > >If this is true, it seems like a good deal to me... > >Hmmm... Well, now that I think about, if the 5 bitplanes are really >taking up all the bandwidth, that would limit how much rendering one >could do... > >Perhaps someone who is knowledgable could go into more depth... Well it's not really going directly from 4 to 5 planes that kills it.. rendering an extra plane is not what slows things down, rather the DMA overhead when you have 5 bitplanes or more on a standard chipset machine. Same thing.. (except worse) happens hen you go to hires screen in 4 bpls. So the rendering cost in actuality is MUCH higher than 25% increase. The nice thing about AGA is that the DMA bandwidth was increased and so this problem no longer exists... so your processor can be going full speed, your blitter can be running unhindered and you can still jam in lots of copper instructions per line :) -Entity (using a friends account) -- Tom Yee g1tomyee@cdf.toronto.edu || "Damned .signature files... || can't think of a single || half-decent quote or || nifty saying..." Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!rulway.LeidenUniv.nl!nic.wi.leidenuniv.nl!stpc144.wi.leidenuniv.nl!GUIJT From: GUIJT@stpc.wi.LeidenUniv.nl (Hans Guijt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Frontier AGA! Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 13:38:50 GMT Organization: Department of Mathematics and Computer Science, University of Leiden Lines: 52 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <2aamhbINN69q@dubhe.anu.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: stpc144.wi.leidenuniv.nl In article <2aamhbINN69q@dubhe.anu.edu.au> tayschon@mehta.anu.edu.au (Sam Taylor) writes: >From: tayschon@mehta.anu.edu.au (Sam Taylor) >Subject: Re: Frontier AGA! >Date: 23 Oct 1993 07:29:47 GMT >Hans - > >In article 751303237@stpc.wi.LeidenUniv.nl, GUIJT@stpc.wi.LeidenUniv.nl (Hans Guijt) writes: >>In highres mode, twice as much data must be fetched per time period, which >>takes twice as many access slots. This is the reason for the 16 color >>limitation in highres mode, and also explains why the amiga is dogslow in >>16 color highres: >> >>4 bitplanes highres: VVVVVVVV (repeats) >> ^ ^ ^ ^ that's right, no processor accesses! > >Perhaps you could answer this - one question I've always had about >the bandwidth of the OCS is: > > "How come 4 hi-res planes != 8 low-res planes??" Well, basically, 4 hires == 8 lores. The OCS HAS the bandwidth for doing 8 lores bitplanes, they *just* *didn't* *think* *it* *WORTHWHILE*!!!! Need we say that they were, retrospectively, fools? Or perhaps they did have a good reason. Whatever. All that's lacking for doing 8 lores bitplanes is just another two DMA channels, and 234 color registers, and of course some internal logic. >Now I have always understood that, since they were twice as wide, >high resolution screens require twice as many DMA slots for display- >fetch. AS a result I would have thought that 6 low-res = 3 hi-res. >Now clearly the Amiga *can* display a 4 hi-res plane image, and to >my mind that requires the same DMA bandwidth as an 8 low-res plane >image. Surely that means that OCS machines potentially have enough >DMA slots to display 8 low-res plane images?? As I understand things, >thats exactly how the old DCTV device used to work: converting a >4 hi-res plane image into 8 low-res planes. Is this right?? If so, >why didn't Commodore just include it in the OCS??? Maybe I'm missing >something - can anyone explain what happened to those two missing >low resolution bitplanes??? > >-SAM- > > > >PS: God bless the AGA!! I say AAA-men to that. Hans Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!munnari.oz.au!newshost.anu.edu.au!dubhe.anu.edu.au!mehta!tayschon From: tayschon@cs.anu.edu.au (Sam Taylor) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Frontier AGA! Date: 26 Oct 1993 06:25:52 GMT Organization: Australian National University Lines: 36 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2aiftgINN6ba@dubhe.anu.edu.au> References: Reply-To: tayschon@cs.anu.edu.au NNTP-Posting-Host: mehta.anu.edu.au Mike - In article BDp@netcom.com, farren@netcom.com (Mike Farren) writes: > So, when you have four or fewer planes (two or fewer in HiRes), the CPU > has free access to CHIP RAM. As soon as you add the fifth plane (or the > third, in HiRes), the CPU is locked out *completely* during video access, > which means all the time except during the horizontal and vertical > blank periods. This results in a *massive* slowdown if the CPU is operating > out of CHIP RAM. It isn't 50%, it's *much* more than that. Am I right in thinking that the Blitter isn't as badly effected by this as the CPU?? I understood it that the Blitter lost 25% of it's DMA slots when the fifth lo-res plane was added - am I fooling myself?! I know this is in my Hardware Reference Manual - unfortunately that's on the other side of the country from me at the moment ... :-( On a slightly different note, do you know how the AGA handles the new DBL modes for scan-doubling?? Specifically, am I right in thinking that each line is scanned from memory twice?? That would imply that DBLPal 320x256 would use which as many DMA slots as plain old PAL 320x256. I understood it that the AGA simply has a "scan doubling" bit, which when set, uses the second bitplane modulo to force the display to refetch the last line. This is sort of a follow up to one of the postings in the (thankfully now defunct) "Ideas for New Amigas" thread... Anyway, any info much appreciated, -SAM- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!brunel!ccws-30.brunel.ac.uk!cs92aar From: cs92aar@brunel.ac.uk (Andrew Robertson) Subject: Re: FRONTIER IS IN SHOPS!! Message-ID: Sender: news@brunel.ac.uk (News supervisor) Nntp-Posting-Host: ccws-30.brunel.ac.uk Reply-To: cs92aar@brunel.ac.uk Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. References: <1993Oct22.130139.131585@mswe> Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1993 12:04:15 GMT Lines: 11 HI Cheers for the mouth watering details... Have you any more sace endevours in your frontie log book. Please post more... Andrew... thats me Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!doc.ic.ac.uk!agate!library.ucla.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!darwin.sura.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!yale.edu!nigel.msen.com!math.fu-berlin.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!hphalle1!fischers From: fischers@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Ratdaddy) Subject: Re: FRONTIER IS IN SHOPS!! References: Sender: news@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (USENET Newssystem) Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1993 21:27:19 GMT Message-ID: Lines: 32 Mike_Noreen@p14.anet.bbs.bad.se (Mike Noreen) writes: >In the message * Re: FRONTIER IS IN SHOPS!! * Pekka wrote: > PAH> I can imagine playing Ride of the Valkyries and harassing innocent > PAH> but little developed planets... >Nonono! It REQUIRES Carl Orffs 'O Fortuna' (You know; the march from >Excalibur) or pretty much ANYTHING by Dead Can Dance. You need REALLY >dramatic stuff for this game! Nonono... I play it with Bob Marley as background ;) gives one the 'Dark Star' feeling (Sadly, I don't have any Country music;) On the other side, SoM was quite fun also. Gave the game a totaly different edge!:)) Oh..btw : I LOVE Frontier. It's the best action/adventure/Tactical game I know of. (And the sim with the most fun:) bye, sammy ------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ' Every Day is like the last, | mails to : Each a Pleasure, when it's past. ' | fischers@hphalle4.informatik. (Paul Roland) | tu-muenchen.de ----------------------------------------| Have I forgotten to say 'IMHO' ? | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!warwick!coventry!cmh061 From: cmh061@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Batman) Subject: Re: FRONTIER IS IN SHOPS!! Message-ID: Sender: news@cck.coventry.ac.uk (news user) Nntp-Posting-Host: cc_sysh Organization: Coventry University References: <29v9o1INNqum@kielo.uta.fi> <1993Oct20.103347.22935@cee.hw.ac.uk> Distribution: comp Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 09:27:04 GMT Lines: 32 In article <1993Oct20.103347.22935@cee.hw.ac.uk> adrian@cee.hw.ac.uk (Adrian Hurt) writes: >In article <29v9o1INNqum@kielo.uta.fi> cspeni@uta.fi (Petri Nisumaa) writes: >>Frontier came to my local shop today and of course, I ran to buy it. > >And several other people, all in Finland, are claiming the same thing. > >Meanwhile, someone else claims to have asked a shop, who says the release >has been postponed until November 1. > >And I personally phoned Gametek themselves yesterday (October 19), and was >told that the release date is October 28. > >So, has Gametek been selling Frontier to Finland before everyone else, or >is there something dodgy going on? > >-- > "Keyboard? How quaint!" - M. Scott > > Adrian Hurt | JANET: adrian@uk.ac.hw.cee > UUCP: ..!uknet!cee.hw.ac.uk!adrian | ARPA: adrian@cee.hw.ac.uk It is in shop in the uk at the moment. So Im affraid that you were told the wrong release date. -- __ | JANET cmh061@uk.ac.cov.cch / ) _/_ | INTERNET cmh061@cch.cov.ac.uk /--< __. / ____ __. __ | AKA R.Batty /___/_(_/|_<___/ / <_(_/|__/ <_ | "All I Want From Life Is To Get Out Alive !" Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!seunet!seunet!piraya!overdose!Mike_Noreen From: Mike_Noreen@p14.anet.bbs.bad.se (Mike Noreen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Frontier, oo, oo tell me tell me! Message-ID: Date: Sun, 24 Oct 93 11:40:08 +0200 References: <93295.134321MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> Sender: BadNet@piraya.bad.se Reply-To: Mike_Noreen@p14.anet.bbs.bad.se (Mike Noreen) Distribution: world Organization: De Profundis, Stockholm, Sweden OD-Comment-To: Mark_Mark_Sachs Lines: 71 In the message * Frontier, oo, oo tell me tell me! * Mark wrote: MMS> 1. How big is the variety of ships you can purchase? That is -- are you MMS> limited to stereotypical little privateering ships, or could you MMS> purchase, say, a battleship? Having just SEEN the game (did not have money with me :-((( ), I can tell you this much: You CAN buy big ships. The biggest I saw had 1000 tonne cargo capacity, and needed a crew of 9 (yes, you have to hire your crew too). There is, however, a 100MW beam laser, which by itself weighs 100 tonnes, more than the whole ship you start out on. I would expect you need a pretty big vessel to carry a laser of that power. MMS> 2. Surface detail on planets. I know you can apparently fly anywhere MMS> you want on the surface (people talking about flying to London, and so MMS> forth.) What's surface detail like? I mean, it seems an onerous task to MMS> detail just the Earth (never mind 100 billion other planetary systems) MMS> as heavily as the city in the demo is. Are there basically large MMS> stretches of empty land and water with a few detailed areas, or what? Again, I didn't see earth (well, I flew by), but Mars was very nicely detailed. The level of detail is higher than in any flight-sim I've seen. Have you seen the Frontier demo? Mars has more buildings than the demo city, and the demo doesn't run on the highest detail level. MMS> 3. Is there daytime and nighttime on planets? What about weather? Yes. Both day and night, and atleast the amount of clouds differ. MMS> 4. Can you enter the atmosphere of gas giants? Dunno. MMS> 5. Is the scenery frangible? (That is, can you blow up the MMS> buildings...) Don't think so, but my ship had a pathetic 1MW pulse laser. I couldn't even blow up asteroids. Firing on parked ships just made them take off and leave. MMS> 6. What's the deal with "flying missions for a planet"? It sounds far MMS> more interesting than mere trading. Are these randomly generated MMS> missions, or pre-written, or what? On each planet you have something like 25-30 different job offers, ranging from 'take this little parcel to planet X' over 'reward payed for information about person X' to 'a lot of money paid if person X was to die an untimely death'. I couldn't accept any of them, since the contractors wanted someone rated better than 'harmless' for the job... MMS> 7. Is the scenery just there to look at (and crash into :) ) or does MMS> it serve any other purpose? Like, say, if you're looking for GENOM MMS> Incorporated and see a GENOM tower in the city ahead of you, you know MMS> that's really where they are. Dunno. I've only seen two cities and a spacestation. MMS> Hmm... that'll do with a start. I just have to keep from drooling on MMS> the keyboard long enough to send this :) Wait til you see the galactic and local map! They're rotable, and you can zoom in so you can read the writing on the spacestations! Come monday, I'll go spend some money. MMS> [Your blood pressure just went up.] Mark Sachs, aka MMS> mbs110@psuvm.psu.edu MVH: Mike Noreen InterNet: radharc@p14.anet.bbs.bad.se FidoNet: 2:201/411.14 --- Spot 1.2b Unreg. Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!relay.philips.nl!mswe!jvdwerf From: jvdwerf@mswe.dnet.ms.philips.nl (Johan van der Werf) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Frontier, oo, oo tell me tell me! Message-ID: <1993Oct25.120347.131588@mswe> Date: 25 Oct 93 12:03:47 +0100 References: <93295.134321MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> Organization: Philips Medical Systems Nederland Lines: 78 In article <93295.134321MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu>, Mark 'Mark' Sachs writes: > In the interests of torturing myself until the copy of Frontier I > pre-ordered from Sideline Software arrives, I have a few questions > for those who own it. Hope you can tear yourselves away long enough > to answer... :) > > 1. How big is the variety of ships you can purchase? That is -- are > you limited to stereotypical little privateering ships, or could you > purchase, say, a battleship? > The variety of ships you can buy is very large. Just about everything upto a space station can be purchased. I'm not sure but I don't think space stations can be bought. > 2. Surface detail on planets. I know you can apparently fly anywhere > you want on the surface (people talking about flying to London, and > so forth.) What's surface detail like? I mean, it seems an onerous > task to detail just the Earth (never mind 100 billion other planetary > systems) as heavily as the city in the demo is. Are there basically > large stretches of empty land and water with a few detailed areas, or > what? > Most moons and planets have mountains and (random?) craters. A lot of famous objects in our solar system are modelled correctly. Hey, I just past under the Golden Gate bridge. Other highlights are mount Olympus on Mars, the sulphury (sp?) color of Io etc... > 3. Is there daytime and nighttime on planets? What about weather? > Yes there is daytime and nighttime. This works great when you speed up time. As for weather, there are clouds. > 4. Can you enter the atmosphere of gas giants? > Yes, I entered Saturns atmosphere once. you can hear wind noises, but don't go too deep or you'll explode (why not implode?) > 5. Is the scenery frangible? (That is, can you blow up the buildings...) > Most of the buildings are not real. I.e. try flying through the domes and buildings at Ross. Not a scratch. Ofcourse the relevant scenery IS real. As many found out when they bumped into a space station. > 6. What's the deal with "flying missions for a planet"? It sounds far > more interesting than mere trading. Are these randomly generated missions, > or pre-written, or what? > I think they are mostly random. They include transporting documents for the military, parcels or people. Usually there is a time constraint. I.e. if you don't get there in time you don't get paid :-( Getting there in time can be difficult. A hyperspace jump for any ship with any engine will always take a week for the maximum range of that ship/engine configuration. This means that a small ship can overtake a large one during hyperspace jumps. Since hyperspace gas cloud analyzers are dirt cheap, you can determine the destination of a big transporter, when it has jumped, then jump after him/her and arrive there first to prepare a warm welcome... :-) > 7. Is the scenery just there to look at (and crash into :) ) or does it > serve any other purpose? Like, say, if you're looking for GENOM Incorporated > and see a GENOM tower in the city ahead of you, you know that's really > where they are. > > Hmm... that'll do with a start. I just have to keep from drooling on the > keyboard long enough to send this :) > > "You can't expect me to play a game with weird zoning laws, can you?" > [Your blood pressure just went up.] Mark Sachs, aka mbs110@psuvm.psu.edu > DISCLAIMER: Penn State cares about my money, not my opinions. ---Johan Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!wupost!waikato!comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix.gen.nz!templar!jbickers From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Frontier releases.... References: <2a4m65$2ib@kruuna.Helsinki.FI> Message-ID: Date: 24 Oct 93 21:41:23 PST Organization: TAP Lines: 11 Quoted from <2a4m65$2ib@kruuna.Helsinki.FI> by lindblad@kruuna.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad): > If you have anything to ask about the game, I'm happy to > answer. Does it require a joystick? > Jarkko Lindblad | -- *** John Bickers, TAP. jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz *** *** "Radioactivity - It's in the air, for you and me" - Kraftwerk *** Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!seunet!seunet!augs!krynn!morgan From: morgan@krynn.augs.se (Morgan Ericsson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Frontier releases.... Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <2a4m65$2ib@kruuna.Helsinki.FI> X-NewsSoftware: GRn 2.0 (16.8.93) by Michael B. Smith & Mike Schwartz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: 24 Oct 93 16:02:23 CET Organization: No organization Lines: 20 In article jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers) writes: > Quoted from <2a4m65$2ib@kruuna.Helsinki.FI> by lindblad@kruuna.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad): > Does it require a joystick? No, you can use a mouse. -- Morgan Ericsson, CS/CE student at VAXJO UNIVERSITY (A1200/A3000) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "Death is that state in which one exists only in the memory of others', which is why it is not an end. No goodbyes, just good memories." ------InterNet-------------FIDO--------Phone----------InterNet--------- morgan@krynn.augs.se | 2:204/404 | 0470-39898 | merdil92@hvdc.hv.se ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail 'reqpgp@krynn.augs.se' to get my PGP key Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!news.funet.fi!nntp.hut.fi!nntp.hut.fi!oahvenla From: oahvenla@snakemail.hut.fi (Osma Ahvenlampi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Frontier releases.... Date: 25 Oct 93 02:40:16 GMT Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland Lines: 23 Distribution: inet Message-ID: References: <1993Oct22.164818.14034@ifi.uio.no> NNTP-Posting-Host: lk-hp-4.hut.fi In-reply-to: larshaug@ifi.uio.no's message of Fri, 22 Oct 1993 16:48:18 GMT In article <1993Oct22.164818.14034@ifi.uio.no> larshaug@ifi.uio.no (Lars Haugseth) writes: >In article , apm@kikka.hut.fi (Antti Miettinen) writes: >> I haven't played enough to say anything definite but I'll say this: >> the space combat is VERY difficult if you compare it to Elite. It may >> be easier with very light ship with very strong thruster. I liked the >> Elite style space combat very much so I have a bit mixed feelings with >> the radical change.. >Well it would be a bit boring if it was just the same as Elite, right? >Atleast it's not easier :-) Well, it's not that hard anyway. You know, >there is no 'Docking Computer' in Frontier. Maybe the auto-pilot can >be used for something else than docking? :-) The autopilot should be able to do everything. It sometimes gets confused and doesn't manage to dock or land correctly, pounding the ship to pieces, but when you've played a bit, you know when it might do that, and can avoid the situations. The combat is definitely harder, and equipping your ship is harder than in Elite. In Elite, the Cobra could carry more things than in Frontier. -- Osma Ahvenlampi - oahvenla@snakemail.hut.fi - finger or mail for PGP key Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!news.eunet.fi!prime.mdata.fi!mits.mdata.fi!not-for-mail From: jarnis@mits.mdata.fi (Jarno Kokko) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Frontier releases.... Date: 25 Oct 1993 09:11:50 +0200 Organization: Microdata International Telecomm Service, Helsinki, Finland Lines: 15 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <2afu7m$jen@mits.mdata.fi> References: <1993Oct22.164818.14034@ifi.uio.no> NNTP-Posting-Host: mits.mdata.fi > >The combat is definitely harder, and equipping your ship is harder than in >Elite. In Elite, the Cobra could carry more things than in Frontier. Half true - only until you get 200t or so ship, with 4MW beam laser, naval ECM and 2-4 shield generators. After that the combat becomes boring easy. Just aim, shoot for 3-4 secs and target is toast. What I hate is when it warns that your ship is under attack it blocks your scanner for few crucial seconds. To go around this is to pause (ESC) immediately when the warning sound comes, and press 'play' after scanner is restored but it is ANNOYING! - Jarnis Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!news.funet.fi!news.lut.fi!tsuikki From: tsuikki@cc.lut.fi (Teemu Suikki) Subject: Re: Frontier releases.... Sender: news@lut.fi (Usenet News) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 15:20:03 GMT Distribution: inet References: <2a4m65$2ib@kruuna.Helsinki.FI> Nntp-Posting-Host: cc.lut.fi Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland apm@kikka.hut.fi (Antti Miettinen) writes: >I haven't played enough to say anything definite but I'll say this: >the space combat is VERY difficult if you compare it to Elite. It may No it isn't. Just learn to use the F7-key. With the engines off, you can aim much more accurately, since the ship computer isn't trying to change the flying direction. However, when the enemy starts shooting, return to 'manual control', so you are much harder to hit.. -- PROC main();DEF a,b,c;b:='** email: tsuikki@lut.fi **';Vprintf(a:='P'+ 'ROC main();DEF a,b,c;b:=%lc%s%lc;Vprintf(a:=%lcP%s%.69s%s%s%lc,%lc[c:'+ '=39,b,c,c,b:=[$%8lx,0],a+1,b,a+70,c,10,^b,10]);ENDPROC/*E .sig!*/%1lc', [c:=39,b,c,c,b:=[$272B0A27,0],a+1,b,a+70,c,10,^b,10]);ENDPROC/*E .sig!*/ Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!dct.ac.uk!mcscs2wji From: mcscs2wji@dct.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: I've played Frontier too!! Message-ID: <1993Oct24.133739.8116@dct.ac.uk> Date: 24 Oct 93 13:37:39 +0100 Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology Lines: 18 I've had the opportunity to play a pirate copy of Frontier (since its not out here yet in the UK) It's absolutely fantastic. Smooth and detailed as hell, really really big. The best thing about it for me is that its REAL, the galaxy you explore is our own - and you really feel as though you are Picard boldly going etc. Wonderful. The only drawback is that there seems to be a bug in the autopilot which makes you crash 50% of the time, and the policeman kicks me out after two dockings. I'm not concerned though, because I have every intention of buying this game next week - and I'm sure the bugs will be ironed out in the release version (dunno where this copy came from). It's a good preview, and has 100% convinced me to buy the game. Until then, I'm practising on Elite I again from scratch. What a difference! Bil Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!trane.uninett.no!news.eunet.no!nuug!news.eunet.fi!prime.mdata.fi!mits.mdata.fi!not-for-mail From: jarnis@mits.mdata.fi (Jarno Kokko) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: I've played Frontier too!! Date: 25 Oct 1993 12:45:42 +0200 Organization: Microdata International Telecomm Service, Helsinki, Finland Lines: 43 Message-ID: <2agaom$koe@mits.mdata.fi> References: <1993Oct24.133739.8116@dct.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: mits.mdata.fi In article <1993Oct24.133739.8116@dct.ac.uk>, wrote: >I've had the opportunity to play a pirate copy of Frontier (since its not >out here yet in the UK) > >It's absolutely fantastic. Smooth and detailed as hell, really really big. >The best thing about it for me is that its REAL, the galaxy you explore is >our own - and you really feel as though you are Picard boldly going etc. >Wonderful. > >The only drawback is that there seems to be a bug in the autopilot which >makes you crash 50% of the time, and the policeman kicks me out after two >dockings. I'm not concerned though, because I have every intention of buying >this game next week - and I'm sure the bugs will be ironed out in the >release version (dunno where this copy came from). It's a good preview, and >has 100% convinced me to buy the game. > >Until then, I'm practising on Elite I again from scratch. What a difference! > >Bil Hate to break your dream BUT: The auto-pilot 'bug' is in the Release version, hell you are PLAYING THE RELEASE VERSION (which isn't even cracked properly I think) - but it's no problem, just dock to station without fast forwarding time more than double (>>) and you almost never hit it. Now going around a planet to a destination in the other side, that's another story. Only way around that is to fly away from the planet for a while and then set the course. Also read my other posts about the bug-fest that is playing around the Frontier code. I already have found 3-4 other minor things (Why it says 'not enough space to install' certain item WHEN I ALREADY HAVE ONE, it should say instead 'you have one' or 'you have one AND you certainly don't have room for second' even if I AM fully loaded at the moment..... just to mention one) that could be listed as bugs or typos ... - Jarnis (Who definitely wants a bug-fixed version, AND some proof there is more than just unexplored shit beyond 600 ly from earth that is worth visiting!) - Jarnis Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!pipex!dircon!hosta.dircon.co.uk!hosta!amiga From: amiga@hosta.dircon.co.uk (Dino Dini) Subject: Re: I've played Frontier too!! Message-ID: Organization: Dini & Dini Productions References: <1993Oct24.133739.8116@dct.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 19:20:01 GMT Lines: 12 In <1993Oct24.133739.8116@dct.ac.uk> mcscs2wji@dct.ac.uk writes: >I've had the opportunity to play a pirate copy of Frontier (since its not >out here yet in the UK) Where did you get it from? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dino Dini Dini & Dini Productions amiga@hosta.dircon.co.uk "The opinions expressed here *are* those of the company... we are the company." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nntp-Posting-Host: holmenkollen.ifi.uio.no Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!trane.uninett.no!nntp.uio.no!ifi.uio.no!larshaug From: larshaug@ifi.uio.no (Lars Haugseth) Subject: Re: HINT: How to dock and NOT CRASH in FRONTIER (68000) Message-ID: <1993Oct24.161105.12484@ifi.uio.no> Sender: larshaug@ifi.uio.no (Lars Haugseth) Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway References: Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1993 16:11:05 GMT Lines: 44 Originator: larshaug@holmenkollen.ifi.uio.no In article , fernis@mits.mdata.fi (Ari Fernelius) writes: > That docking computer is a real stupid bitch in 68000 Amigas, it's way > too slow, and it almost always destroys your ship, if you want to see > the operation at real time. > > Here's what to do. After you have entered from hyperspace, click F2 > two times. Pick the EXACT target for autopilot where to go now. So, > zoom in enough so that you can see the space station or city or what- > ever. > > (hint: shift+(double-?)clicking zoom_in icon (or F6?) rules). > > Now, hit the autopilot on (F7), and use the Maximum ">>>>>" time > acceleration (SHIFT+F5). Don't do a THING until you reach the target. > > * When you come close to a SPACE STATION, computer will set the time > scale to realtime ">". Hit ">>" gadget. This prevents the usual crashes > when docking. > > * When you come close to a CITY/PLANET, don't do a thing. Don't use > time scale buttons. They'll make you sometimes crash - not always, > though. Hmm, I've never crashed when using the autopilot at accelerated time. (And I've done more than a hundred dockings). I'm playing on a 68000. > ...and suddenly, the Frontier is a pretty nice game again. :) > > -Fernis, btw - I've seen the PC/486-Frontier. AWESOME!!! Texture-bitmaps > are not slow as I had guessed. Amiga-version looks in fact > quite awful compared to 486. (ok, using 68000 in comparison). Well I've seen it too. I liked the texture-mapping, but it has some irritating bugs, ie. it sometimes overlaps surfaces that should be in front of it. And they haven't textures on everything. The Earth, Saturn and the other planets looked just the same as in the Amiga version. +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Lars Haugseth +-+ | Dept. of Informatics, Like private-parts to the Gods are we -| | | Univ. of Oslo, Norway they play with us for their sport. BA| | +-+--------------------------------------------------------------+ | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!news.eunet.fi!prime.mdata.fi!mits!fernis From: fernis@mits.mdata.fi (Ari Fernelius) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: HINT: How to dock and NOT CRASH in FRONTIER (68000) Date: 24 Oct 1993 16:35:52 +0200 Organization: MITS - Helsinki - Finland Lines: 33 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: mits.mdata.fi That docking computer is a real stupid bitch in 68000 Amigas, it's way too slow, and it almost always destroys your ship, if you want to see the operation at real time. Here's what to do. After you have entered from hyperspace, click F2 two times. Pick the EXACT target for autopilot where to go now. So, zoom in enough so that you can see the space station or city or what- ever. (hint: shift+(double-?)clicking zoom_in icon (or F6?) rules). Now, hit the autopilot on (F7), and use the Maximum ">>>>>" time acceleration (SHIFT+F5). Don't do a THING until you reach the target. * When you come close to a SPACE STATION, computer will set the time scale to realtime ">". Hit ">>" gadget. This prevents the usual crashes when docking. * When you come close to a CITY/PLANET, don't do a thing. Don't use time scale buttons. They'll make you sometimes crash - not always, though. ...and suddenly, the Frontier is a pretty nice game again. :) -Fernis, btw - I've seen the PC/486-Frontier. AWESOME!!! Texture-bitmaps are not slow as I had guessed. Amiga-version looks in fact quite awful compared to 486. (ok, using 68000 in comparison). -- : fernis@mits.mdata.fi : Ari Fernelius 02920 ESPOO : Who wants to : : fernis@snafu.muncca.fi : Ylajuoksu 9 A FINLAND (SF) : wait forever? : :---------------------------------------------------------------------------: : A thought for today: And let's drink for that! : Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.ans.net!malgudi.oar.net!news.ysu.edu!yfn.ysu.edu!aa387 From: aa387@yfn.ysu.edu (Corey Norton) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: HINT: How to dock and NOT CRASH in FRONTIER (68000) Date: 24 Oct 1993 19:09:31 GMT Organization: Youngstown State/Youngstown Free-Net Lines: 16 Message-ID: <2aejtb$s2b@news.ysu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu Well i finally got it here in Ohio,and to tell you the truth my version runs just great on my A-2000HD, and at this time its still got the 68000. i admit the boot up screen demo is a little choppy, but game play is smooth as silk. it might even be a fast in space combat. I just got it yesterday and havent gotten very far, but running missions for others looks far more profit- able than just trading does, at least right now. See ya in space Dodger -- AA387 Corey Norton | /// | Amiga -- It's not just for aa387@yfn.ysu.edu | /// | breakfast anymore!!! Vacationing SysOp RPG sig | \\\/// | [This Space For Rent] Type: "Go RPG" | \XX/ | [Inquire Within] Nntp-Posting-Host: yrsa.ifi.uio.no Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!trane.uninett.no!nntp.uio.no!ifi.uio.no!perod From: perod@ifi.uio.no (Per Christian Ødegård) Subject: Re: Frontier demo is _CRAP_ Message-ID: <1993Oct24.163319.26386@ifi.uio.no> Keywords: frontier, crap Sender: perod@ifi.uio.no (Per Christian Ødegård) Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway References: Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1993 16:33:19 GMT Lines: 39 Originator: perod@yrsa.ifi.uio.no In article , amiga@hosta.dircon.co.uk (Dino Dini) writes: > In aissande@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (George Sanderson) writes: > >graphics.library...YUCK! I've seen 3d routines in C that have much > >more complex scenes and are smoother. Yeah, so have I. On a Silicon Graphics machine... > >David Braben & Peter Irvin: learn how to code... Perhaps the authors > >need to see Starglider II. I think mr. Braben knows more about coding than most of us mere mortals. And if someone should teach him how to code, it certainly wouldn't be Argonaut Software (the programmers of SG II). Starglider II's graphics were smooth because the environment used 16 bit coordinates (saves a lot of time when multiplying and dividing). This resulted in repeating surface features. And did you notice that you could blow up a something, fly a bit, and it wold be back. Realistic? Nope... Argonaut programmed Birds of Prey, one of the slowest flight sims on the Amiga. And it didn't feature curved objects or lots of surface detail. > 1) What jumped up little S**T are you anyway? > 2) How long have you been programming? > 3) What games have you produced? > 4) Do you know anything at all about programming, really? > Looking into the code like that tells you nothing. > If there is any C in there, it will be for non speed critical parts of the > game, likewise for system calls. > You really sound like you don't know what you are talking about. Right. Some people wonder why the screen update on flight sims is slower than the update of the latest 3d demo... Non-coders fail to see that a lot of calculation must be done before the graphics can be displayed in a real sim, while demos usually use pre-calculated coordinates. And sims like Frontier require _lots_ of calculation. Per Chr. Odegard (perod@ifi.uio.no) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!bradford.ac.uk!A.D.Brown From: A.D.Brown@bradford.ac.uk (Alistair Brown) Subject: Re: Frontier demo is _CRAP_ Message-ID: <1993Oct24.202006.4875@bradford.ac.uk> Lines: 17 Organization: University of Bradford, UK References: <9329509.7568@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> Distribution: inet Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1993 20:20:06 GMT sanford@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Sanford TONG) writes: > Still, i reckon that the amiga needs this sort of thing. Finally someone >believes in the amiga market enough to produce a product which needs a beefier >machine to run. It won't help to moan about it. I'm a PC user (just nipping onto this group to read about frontier :). I would say that no harm has been done by creating games that required more than the base machine, as long as the increase has been reasonable. I don't have a clue what levels of amiga machines are out there, but if you want the amiga to progress in power, then more programs need to require higher specs. than A500's. Alistair -- Email A.D.Brown@bradford.ac.uk Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!nntp.hut.fi!nntp.hut.fi!oahvenla From: oahvenla@snakemail.hut.fi (Osma Ahvenlampi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Frontier demo is _CRAP_ Date: 25 Oct 93 02:59:56 GMT Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland Lines: 20 Distribution: inet Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lk-hp-4.hut.fi In-reply-to: u9219846@oxygen.sys.uea.ac.uk's message of Fri, 22 Oct 1993 16:47:19 GMT In article u9219846@oxygen.sys.uea.ac.uk (T. Peers) writes: >In article , mattias@knase.update.uu.se (Mattias Myrberg) writes: >|> What other games have Braben written? >|> >|> Just curious :-) >|> >|> Mattias >As far as I know, Braben was also responsible for: >Elite (8bits, ST, Amiga and probably PC) >Zarch/Virus(THE FIRST GAME EVER on the Archimedes! A much underrated machine) >Also released on Amiga as Virus, and probably on other formats. >Both these games were UTTERLY BRILLIANT !!! >Tim Peers Braben made only the 8 bit Elite versions. As everyone can see from the Amiga Elite, it's crap, not something Braben would have done. -- Osma Ahvenlampi - oahvenla@snakemail.hut.fi - finger or mail for PGP key Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!munnari.oz.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!griffin!citadel!gucis!jkempnic From: jkempnic@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (Jason Kempnich) Subject: Re: Frontier demo is _CRAP_ Message-ID: Sender: news@citadel.cit.gu.edu.au Organization: Griffith University. References: <9329509.7568@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> <1993Oct24.202006.4875@bradford.ac.uk> Distribution: inet Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 05:40:31 GMT Lines: 33 A.D.Brown@bradford.ac.uk (Alistair Brown) writes: >I'm a PC user (just nipping onto this group to read about frontier :). I would >say that no harm has been done by creating games that required more than the >base machine, as long as the increase has been reasonable. I don't have a >clue what levels of amiga machines are out there, but if you want the amiga >to progress in power, then more programs need to require higher specs. than >A500's. Oh, how true those words are! I'd have to say that one of the Amiga's biggest problems (if not *the* biggest) is that all games cater for the lowest common denominator. It's like PC game writers writing *all* games to work on an XT and if it works on the better machines, then thats a bonus. I'm dying to see a 4000 specific game (although I doubt there will *ever* be one, even in PD, as there isn't a market for it). Some life will return to the Amiga scene if games designers forget about: 1) Non-AGA machines. 2) Non-Hard disk machines. Of course, this will never happen, and I fear we will be playing Amiga 500 compatible games until the day the Amiga is no longer here. Perhaps this will be the very reason the Amiga will/is die/dying out. Any comments? Jason. -- +------------* Email: jkempnic@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au *-----------------/// | "Got a brand new semi-automatic weapon with a laser sight, /// Intel | Oh I'm praying somebody tries to break in here tonight!" \\\/// Outside +-----* From the song "Trigger Happy" by Wierd Al Yankovic *-----\XX/ Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!seunet!seunet!augs!krynn!morgan From: morgan@krynn.augs.se (Morgan Ericsson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: FRONTIER IN SHOPS ! Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <1993Oct21.115433.16372@ifi.uio.no> <1993Oct21.130628.6539@ifi.uio.no> X-NewsSoftware: GRn 2.0 (16.8.93) by Michael B. Smith & Mike Schwartz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: 24 Oct 93 16:00:59 CET Organization: No organization Lines: 40 In article fernis@mits.mdata.fi (Ari Fernelius) writes: > jonlo@ifi.uio.no (Jon Cato Lorentzen) writes: > > >Has anyone else had problems with the following: > >-Docking with space-stations: The auto-pilot seems to crash the ship into > >the walls about 50 percent of the times I dock. If I run accellerated time > >while docking, there is no crashing, but if the a-pilot is flying realtime > >he always seems to have serious trouble docking. > > Yes, I've noticed exactly the same - and it gets on my nerves! > So far, autopilot crashes my machine almost every time. Only > the first docking in Birminghamworld seems to go OK, then where > ever I try to dock or land in Sol System, KABOOOM!! > > No matter whether I use accelerated mode or not, Autopilot > reaches the target with all too fast speed... I think with > accelerated mode the autopilot gets even worse (if possible). > I've got a 68000/7MHz - maybe it's too slow for autopilot?-) I don't know, but on my 3000, it never crashes if you use accelerated time. But i have another problem. Have anyone noticed that sometimes the ship doesn't launch? I mean, when you "exit" the station, the ship sometimes just stop right at the exit (Doors open) and doesn't move. When you swith to manual control the doors close. Has anyone else seen this? > > -Fernis -- Morgan Ericsson, CS/CE student at VAXJO UNIVERSITY (A1200/A3000) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "Death is that state in which one exists only in the memory of others', which is why it is not an end. No goodbyes, just good memories." ------InterNet-------------FIDO--------Phone----------InterNet--------- morgan@krynn.augs.se | 2:204/404 | 0470-39898 | merdil92@hvdc.hv.se ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail 'reqpgp@krynn.augs.se' to get my PGP key Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!news.eunet.fi!prime.mdata.fi!mits.mdata.fi!not-for-mail From: jarnis@mits.mdata.fi (Jarno Kokko) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: FRONTIER IN SHOPS ! Date: 25 Oct 1993 09:08:41 +0200 Organization: Microdata International Telecomm Service, Helsinki, Finland Lines: 22 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2afu1p$jde@mits.mdata.fi> References: <1993Oct21.115433.16372@ifi.uio.no> <1993Oct21.130628.6539@ifi.uio.no> NNTP-Posting-Host: mits.mdata.fi >I don't know, but on my 3000, it never crashes if you use accelerated >time. But i have another problem. Have anyone noticed that sometimes the >ship doesn't launch? I mean, when you "exit" the station, the ship sometimes >just stop right at the exit (Doors open) and doesn't move. When you swith >to manual control the doors close. Has anyone else seen this? > Do you have ANY fuel in the fuel tanks? are your thrusters working? (they can be damaged) those are the 2 possibilities that come to my mind... I first thought that my newly bought Cobra mk III (ages ago, I already have Imperial Trader), was defective, it always lost it's thrusters. Reason was: no fuel in interal tanks ... had been buying hydrogen when I had military engine :( so... and by the way: anyone got their Federal/Imperial ratings over Sergeant/Sir so far, I've been completing Imperial missions for 5-6 hrs and I'm still stuck at Sir... I sure hope I get promoted soon... - Jarnis Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!news.funet.fi!uta.fi!uta.fi!news-path From: cspeni@uta.fi (Petri Nisumaa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Frontier - major bug Date: 24 Oct 1993 15:43:22 +0200 Organization: University of Tampere, Finland Lines: 31 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <2ae0pqINNajj@kielo.uta.fi> References: <1993Oct21.194357.21927@ugle.unit.no> <1993Oct22.133100.131586@mswe> NNTP-Posting-Host: kalliokielo.uta.fi In article apm@kikka.hut.fi (Antti Miettinen) writes: >One bug I've noticed: sometimes the bulletin board is messed up. For >example last night I got several times empty bulletin board with up >scroll arrow which did nothing. Sometimes the bulletin board showed >items from stock market and the buttons beside the items did nothing. I've noticed this too. It happens when you leave a station with lots of bulletin board messages and you scrolled low. Now if you go to station with very few messages the board will be screwed up. You can avoid this by scrolling the bulletin board up before launching. >The color flicker might indeed be bad light sourcing. But I think it's >something else. For example when landing to London the green land >flickered between green and blue. Also the blue nebula backgrounds in >space sometimes change to black and back to blue. Why would nebulae be >light sourced? The games uses 16 color palette and changes it when it needs new colours. Sometimes it seems to have trouble in making up its mind :) Petri -- | Petri Nisumaa | You can be young only once, | V{in{m|isenkatu 11D241 | but you can be immature for ever. | 33540 Tampere, Finland | | InterNet: cspeni@uta.fi | Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!trane.uninett.no!news.eunet.no!nuug!news.eunet.fi!prime.mdata.fi!mits.mdata.fi!not-for-mail From: jarnis@mits.mdata.fi (Jarno Kokko) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Frontier - major bug Date: 25 Oct 1993 01:15:47 +0200 Organization: Microdata International Telecomm Service, Helsinki, Finland Lines: 75 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <2af2b3$gpa@mits.mdata.fi> References: <1993Oct21.194357.21927@ugle.unit.no> <1993Oct22.133100.131586@mswe> <2ae0pqINNajj@kielo.uta.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: mits.mdata.fi >>One bug I've noticed: sometimes the bulletin board is messed up. For >>example last night I got several times empty bulletin board with up >>scroll arrow which did nothing. Sometimes the bulletin board showed >>items from stock market and the buttons beside the items did nothing. Naah, easy to fix - just press 'fast forward' until next day (you loose 1-4 credits! gasp!) and the bboard has been reseted. Very very tiny problem, but annoying anyway. The auto-pilot-doesn't-know-how- to-go-around-a-planet -bug is much more severe. Also mega-annoyances include: 1> no way to get crew BEFORE you buy a craft with free crew spaces - it's rather time consuming to collect 5+ new crew members. It's possible but takes upto several months of game tiem. 2> Very high amount of military missions given by federation/imperium can not be completed. Takes little time to see which ones are possible. 3> No way to fit better drives to Imperial Transport/Couriers - sales view claims they can use hyperdrive 7 but ... you can't remove #6 so.. 4> Manual has tons of mistakes in the ship stats. 5> FAR Too easy 'random' enemies. Hardest one I've seen is Imperial Courier which takes about 20 secs to wipe out at worst. Normal Kraits/Cobras/Sidewinders etc take about 4-6 secs to shoot to bits (With my 20MW beam laser of course:-) 6> After getting about 600+ ton ship, no visible way to upgrade ships, I'm getting tired of trading, and I have 3M surplus cash at the moment. Biggie cargo ships are not really usable in combat, so my Imperial Trader is - only 525tons - best all-around ship i've seen so far - only trouble is short range, only about 10.5 ly. 7> no REAL missions (those simple bulletin-board thingies get really boring very fast) - I want something like in Elite 1, unique missions which take a lot of work to complete. (Package claims there is 82 missions, and my Imperial title is still only Sir so I'm having high hopes something DOES turn out) 8> VERY hard/near impossible to go any great distances manually, I know this is rather realistic, but still... ohwell, not so big thing. 9> Okey, the galaxy is MEGA-SUPER-HUGE, you can spend hours just scrolling the map. but what's the point? After about 400-600 ly from sun, refuelling points/repair stations get very scare, always scooping fuel gets boooooring and there really isn't much to found, or is there? I've yet to get myself to the area with 'unexplored' systems, but considering the amount of them, I really don't expect to find anything special. just same generated shit. 10> Only way to kill big ships is to play pirate. where are all the big pirates? Booooring. 11> Oh WHY The music/effects are so bland and boring...? 12> Try repairing 400 tons of hull damage manually. you end up clicking mouse 2400 times (0.25t/click)... NASTY thing, I end up buying auto repair, going out, using it, coming in, selling it and then rocking again. Not logical. Don't get me wrong. The game is still MEGA MEGA good, but I belive with little work it could have been so much better. Currently it feels partially like a work of art, partially like a collection of bugs. After all the waiting I Can only say it was still rushed. *sigh* I wish they would take time to release a bug-fixed upgrade version. (and I DO want hints how to find more, more equipment to ships, other ship types not listed, secret missions, alien races....etc. etc. I pray something like this could be found, there is no real excuse why not!) - Jarnis Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!sci.kun.nl!vdrongelen.psych.kun.nl!user From: vdrongelen@NICI.kun.nl (Albert van Drongelen) Subject: Re: Frontier - major bug Message-ID: Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.games Sender: news@sci.kun.nl (News owner) Nntp-Posting-Host: vdrongelen.psych.kun.nl Organization: NICI Nijmegen References: <1993Oct21.194357.21927@ugle.unit.no> <1993Oct22.133100.131586@mswe> Distribution: inet Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 15:13:19 GMT In article , apm@kikka.hut.fi (Antti Miettinen) wrote: > [Bug report deleted] > > The amiga version of Elite had some bugs in it's interrupt handlers > (IMHO) and blitting code. For example it did not wait for blitter to > finish in some situations and this caused flickering screens on fast > amigas when view was simple enough. Maybe Braben has the old bugs in > Frontier :) Yes. He did everything he could to preserve that Elite feeling. I think the game could have been released two years ago, if it wasn't for all the bugs he still had to code :-) Albert Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!news.funet.fi!news.lut.fi!tsuikki From: tsuikki@cc.lut.fi (Teemu Suikki) Subject: Re: Frontier - major bug Sender: news@lut.fi (Usenet News) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 15:42:51 GMT Distribution: inet References: <1993Oct21.194357.21927@ugle.unit.no> <1993Oct22.133100.131586@mswe> Nntp-Posting-Host: cc.lut.fi Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland apm@kikka.hut.fi (Antti Miettinen) writes: >One bug I've noticed: sometimes the bulletin board is messed up. For >example last night I got several times empty bulletin board with up >scroll arrow which did nothing. Sometimes the bulletin board showed Well, the board was empty. If I remember correctly, the scroll arrow if always there.. >items from stock market and the buttons beside the items did nothing. Yes, that happens to me also. However, I think that the bulletin board is actually empty in that situation. There once was ONE message in bulletin board, dealing package transportation.. I took the mission, so the ad was removed from the board. And, after that, the bulletion board started showing those stock market items... So, you won't miss any adverts because of the bug, since the board is empty. >The color flicker might indeed be bad light sourcing. But I think it's >something else. For example when landing to London the green land The game calculates the best 16 colors for each frame. If there are many differently coloured items on screen, some colors will flicker.. -- PROC main();DEF a,b,c;b:='** email: tsuikki@lut.fi **';Vprintf(a:='P'+ 'ROC main();DEF a,b,c;b:=%lc%s%lc;Vprintf(a:=%lcP%s%.69s%s%s%lc,%lc[c:'+ '=39,b,c,c,b:=[$%8lx,0],a+1,b,a+70,c,10,^b,10]);ENDPROC/*E .sig!*/%1lc', [c:=39,b,c,c,b:=[$272B0A27,0],a+1,b,a+70,c,10,^b,10]);ENDPROC/*E .sig!*/ Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!news.funet.fi!news.lut.fi!tsuikki From: tsuikki@cc.lut.fi (Teemu Suikki) Subject: Re: Frontier - major bug Sender: news@lut.fi (Usenet News) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 15:44:41 GMT Distribution: inet References: <1993Oct21.194357.21927@ugle.unit.no> <1993Oct22.133100.131586@mswe> <2ae0pqINNajj@kielo.uta.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: cc.lut.fi Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland cspeni@uta.fi (Petri Nisumaa) writes: >I've noticed this too. It happens when you leave a station with lots >of bulletin board messages and you scrolled low. Now if you go to >station with very few messages the board will be screwed up. Eek, so I am actually missing messages when this happens.. Thanks for the info. -- PROC main();DEF a,b,c;b:='** email: tsuikki@lut.fi **';Vprintf(a:='P'+ 'ROC main();DEF a,b,c;b:=%lc%s%lc;Vprintf(a:=%lcP%s%.69s%s%s%lc,%lc[c:'+ '=39,b,c,c,b:=[$%8lx,0],a+1,b,a+70,c,10,^b,10]);ENDPROC/*E .sig!*/%1lc', [c:=39,b,c,c,b:=[$272B0A27,0],a+1,b,a+70,c,10,^b,10]);ENDPROC/*E .sig!*/ Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!olivea!koriel!lll-winken.llnl.gov!taco!stdeprie From: stdeprie@eos.ncsu.edu (SHAWN TEMPLE DEPRIEST) Subject: Re: Frontier - major bug Message-ID: <1993Oct25.201547.28588@ncsu.edu> Originator: stdeprie@c00392-346dan.eos.ncsu.edu Sender: news@ncsu.edu (USENET News System) Reply-To: stdeprie@eos.ncsu.edu (SHAWN TEMPLE DEPRIEST) Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos References: <1993Oct21.194357.21927@ugle.unit.no> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 20:15:47 GMT Lines: 16 I too have had the problem of the locked speed vector and find it quite annoying. Any help would be areciated also. Thanks in advance -- Shawn DePriest, more than just a number: stdeprie@eos.ncsu.edu Cmmdr Sisko: "Dr. Bashir, could you get me something for motion sickness, all this spinning is making me sick." "Jurassic Park, it's like Barney with teeth." ---Dr. Schragg Media Prof. at NCSU Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!news.inesc.pt!animal.inescn.pt!ciup2.ncc.up.pt!brigite.ci.ua.pt!etjunior From: etjunior@ci.ua.pt (B.Junior) Subject: Re: Frontier - major bug Sender: usenet@brigite.ci.ua.pt (News Administrator) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 20:59:45 GMT Distribution: inet References: <2af2b3$gpa@mits.mdata.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: zeus.ci.ua.pt Organization: Universidade de Aveiro, Portugal X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 29 Jarno Kokko (jarnis@mits.mdata.fi) wrote: : 6> After getting about 600+ ton ship, no visible way to upgrade ships, : I'm getting tired of trading, and I have 3M surplus cash at the : moment. Biggie cargo ships are not really usable in combat, so : my Imperial Trader is - only 525tons - best all-around ship : i've seen so far - only trouble is short range, only about 10.5 ly. it seems you are very advanced !!! I'm at start yet !! Only have 1200$ !! Do you have any hint to make money fast ?? now i'm trading computer betwen solar system and Birmingan world at Boston station !! Thanks for any help Regards B.Junior -- ===================================================================== --- --- -Benjamim Junior- --- E-mail at --- --- etjunior@ua.pt University of Aveiro ----- Portugal --- A4000/040 Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!navajo!shulick From: shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) Subject: Re: Frontier bulletin board bug Message-ID: Sender: news@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu (USENET News System) Nntp-Posting-Host: navajo.ucs.indiana.edu Organization: Vallen Software References: <1993Oct21.194357.21927@ugle.unit.no> <1993Oct22.133100.131586@mswe> Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1993 21:48:35 GMT Lines: 13 apm@kikka.hut.fi (Antti Miettinen) writes: >One bug I've noticed: sometimes the bulletin board is messed up. For >example last night I got several times empty bulletin board with up >scroll arrow which did nothing. Sometimes the bulletin board showed >items from stock market and the buttons beside the items did nothing. Yeah, I noticed that, too. Also, sometimes the bulletin board will have stock market listings on it!! But you can't do anything with it. Ugh. -- ########################################################################### Sam Hulick - shulick@indiana.edu | Tarador @ IRC | Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!news.funet.fi!klaava!klaava!not-for-mail From: valiviit@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Mika Valiviita) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Frontier bulletin board bug Date: 25 Oct 1993 18:30:13 +0200 Organization: University of Helsinki Lines: 21 Message-ID: <2aguul$6bi@klaava.Helsinki.FI> References: <1993Oct21.194357.21927@ugle.unit.no> <1993Oct22.133100.131586@mswe> NNTP-Posting-Host: klaava.helsinki.fi In shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes: >apm@kikka.hut.fi (Antti Miettinen) writes: >>One bug I've noticed: sometimes the bulletin board is messed up. For >>example last night I got several times empty bulletin board with up >>scroll arrow which did nothing. Sometimes the bulletin board showed >>items from stock market and the buttons beside the items did nothing. >Yeah, I noticed that, too. Also, sometimes the bulletin board will have >stock market listings on it!! But you can't do anything with it. Ugh. Just accelerate time until the date changes. The time slows down automatically as you are informed of the berthing charge and the bulletin board is okay again. (Below average with Asp Explorer,250K cash,4MW beam laser,8 shield generators,and some more stuff,planning to do some deliveries) -- Mika V{liviita,whose opinions are his own,and nobody elses. This includes, but is not limited to,those that are in this electronically distributed message. This .sig is irrelevant. Life is futile. Message terminated. Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!news.funet.fi!klaava!klaava!not-for-mail From: lindblad@kruuna.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Frontier bulletin board bug Date: 25 Oct 1993 20:30:01 +0200 Organization: University of Helsinki Lines: 26 Message-ID: <2ah5v9$9e3@kruuna.Helsinki.FI> References: <1993Oct21.194357.21927@ugle.unit.no> <1993Oct22.133100.131586@mswe> <2aguul$6bi@klaava.Helsinki.FI> NNTP-Posting-Host: kruuna.helsinki.fi X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Mika Valiviita (valiviit@klaava.Helsinki.FI) wrote: > In shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes: > >Yeah, I noticed that, too. Also, sometimes the bulletin board will have > >stock market listings on it!! But you can't do anything with it. Ugh. > Just accelerate time until the date changes. The time slows down > automatically as you are informed of the berthing charge and the > bulletin board is okay again. Thank you for the information. Although this bug never bothered me too much it is nice to know how to go around it. > (Below average with Asp Explorer,250K cash,4MW beam laser,8 shield > generators,and some more stuff,planning to do some deliveries) (Above average with Panther (the 2000 ton ship :), 1.5M cash, large plasmaaccelerator and 60 or so shields...darn that ship is clumsy, but as I find it hard to fire with any other but front gun I only use it...) -- Jarkko Lindblad | lindblad@cc.helsinki.fi| Never give your trust away -----------------------| You'll end up paying till your dying day - Black Sabbath - | Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!sics.se!torkel From: torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen) Subject: Irritating aspect of Frontier copy protection Message-ID: Lines: 10 Sender: news@sics.se Organization: Swedish Institute of Computer Science, Kista Distribution: comp Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1993 22:27:51 GMT Zonk I, my valiant alter ego, landed in London and was apparently given clearance by the police, who checked, absurdly, his knowledge of the manual of some computer game. However, on taking off he was informed that he was a scoundrel and was then apparently killed on the spot. The game went into permanent demo mode. Now, I suppose I picked the wrong letter, but I find it irritating that the game allows you to save a position that is irretrievably illegal rather than give you a second chance or, at least, clearly indicate that the answer is wrong before you can take other actions. Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!news.funet.fi!klaava!klaava!not-for-mail From: lindblad@kruuna.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Irritating aspect of Frontier copy protection Date: 25 Oct 1993 20:25:43 +0200 Organization: University of Helsinki Lines: 31 Distribution: comp Message-ID: <2ah5n7$94f@kruuna.Helsinki.FI> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: kruuna.helsinki.fi X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Torkel Franzen (torkel@sics.se) wrote: > Zonk I, my valiant alter ego, landed in London and was apparently > given clearance by the police, who checked, absurdly, his knowledge of > the manual of some computer game. However, on taking off he was > informed that he was a scoundrel and was then apparently killed on the > spot. The game went into permanent demo mode. Now, I suppose I > picked the wrong letter, but I find it irritating that the game > allows you to save a position that is irretrievably illegal rather > than give you a second chance or, at least, clearly indicate that > the answer is wrong before you can take other actions. But the game does allow one to make typo's, and lot's of them. It is supposed that every time you answer correctly, the time you will be asked the next question is doubled, and when you answer incorrectly, it will take half the time for the next question to arrive on your screen. I am not sure how well this works though as the manual(s) do not say if headlines/titles are counted as lines or not. At least some of them are as I tried not to count them a few times and Inspector (or whateve) Braben came...:-) After that I've always counted all the titles and sub titles and in average I have to pick my manual up every 20th or so station. Also the manual does not say if the manual protection is case sensitive or not. I'd guess nto, so I won't bother pressing the "shift" key... -- Jarkko Lindblad | lindblad@cc.helsinki.fi| Never give your trust away -----------------------| You'll end up paying till your dying day - Black Sabbath - | Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!seunet!seunet!augs!krynn!morgan From: morgan@krynn.augs.se (Morgan Ericsson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Frontier bugs(?) Distribution: world Message-ID: X-NewsSoftware: GRn 2.0 (16.8.93) by Michael B. Smith & Mike Schwartz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: 24 Oct 93 23:26:03 CET Organization: No organization Lines: 30 Am I the on who has problems with Frontier? I mean, my copy has crashed, locked up during the launch from a space station (many times) and the bulletin board is bad (shows the stockmarket listing or too many arrows) etc. I run it on my A3000/2+4, no z2/z3-cards... And those "type-in-a-letter-from-the-manual" request are really starting to get on my nerves! I think I get them every 10:th docking or something like that! But since it's a great game I guess I'll have to live with it. BTW. I'm avarage, with a imperial trader (20MW beamlaser and all the necessary equipment (ECM, laser cooler etc)). Is anyone elite yet? And, do the federal/imperial navy mission getting more exciting? I'm only a private and all I get to do is transport paper between the systemes. I want to be ordered to destroy enemy cruisers or spacestations =) -- Morgan Ericsson, CS/CE student at VAXJO UNIVERSITY (A1200/A3000) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "Death is that state in which one exists only in the memory of others', which is why it is not an end. No goodbyes, just good memories." ------InterNet-------------FIDO--------Phone----------InterNet--------- morgan@krynn.augs.se | 2:204/404 | 0470-39898 | merdil92@hvdc.hv.se ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail 'reqpgp@krynn.augs.se' to get my PGP key Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!wupost!waikato!comp.vuw.ac.nz!fballara From: Francesco.Ballara@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Francesco Ballara) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Non-playable demo of Frontier released. Date: 25 Oct 1993 01:54:17 GMT Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <2afbk9$mq8@st-james.comp.vuw.ac.nz> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: regent.comp.vuw.ac.nz In article , Mike Noreen wrote: >I've seen a demo of Frontier. > >What can I say? I'm floored. > >It's fast, it's more detailed than any flight-sim I've seen for the Amiga, >and the gfx are excellent. If the demo is anything to jugde by, it will >work under any kickstart and on accelerated machines. I tried running it on my A1200 with and without caches, aga chipset, etc. I also tried it on my ECS A500 with 2.04, then I tried removing the ECS and 2.04 chips replacing then with 1.3 and OCS. It didn't work. At various stages in the demo it either froze, crashed or the copper list crashed. Surprisingly it got furthest on the 1200 with caches turned off. Does anyone know what I'm doing wrong? [ I have an archive containing a single file called Frontier.exe which is 299980 bytes long. ] Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!munnari.oz.au!metro!basser.cs.su.oz.au!srn From: srn@cs.su.oz.au (Stephen Robert Norris) Subject: Re: Non-playable demo of Frontier released. Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 03:40:17 GMT Message-ID: References: <2afbk9$mq8@st-james.comp.vuw.ac.nz> Sender: news@cs.su.oz.au (News) Lines: 20 Francesco.Ballara@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Francesco Ballara) writes: >In article , >I tried running it on my A1200 with and without caches, aga chipset, etc. >I also tried it on my ECS A500 with 2.04, then I tried removing the >ECS and 2.04 chips replacing then with 1.3 and OCS. >It didn't work. At various stages in the demo it either froze, crashed >or the copper list crashed. Surprisingly it got furthest on the 1200 >with caches turned off. >Does anyone know what I'm doing wrong? Yep - set the stack higher (try 100K for good measure). This has been posted many times here before... >[ I have an archive containing a single file called Frontier.exe >which is 299980 bytes long. ] Stephen Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!corax.udac.uu.se!mac15.tdb.uu.se!user From: mattias@knase.update.uu.se (Mattias Myrberg) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Non-playable demo of Frontier released. Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.games Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 04:40:36 +0100 Organization: Nowhere Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <2afbk9$mq8@st-james.comp.vuw.ac.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: mac15.tdb.uu.se In article <2afbk9$mq8@st-james.comp.vuw.ac.nz>, Francesco.Ballara@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Francesco Ballara) wrote: > [ I have an archive containing a single file called Frontier.exe > which is 299980 bytes long. ] And where did you get that, hmm? Mattias Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!munnari.oz.au!metro!basser.cs.su.oz.au!srn From: srn@cs.su.oz.au (Stephen Robert Norris) Subject: Re: Non-playable demo of Frontier released. Organization: Basser Dept of Computer Science, University of Sydney, Australia Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 06:36:14 GMT Message-ID: References: <2afbk9$mq8@st-james.comp.vuw.ac.nz> Sender: news@cs.su.oz.au (News) Lines: 15 mattias@knase.update.uu.se (Mattias Myrberg) writes: >In article <2afbk9$mq8@st-james.comp.vuw.ac.nz>, >Francesco.Ballara@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Francesco Ballara) wrote: >> [ I have an archive containing a single file called Frontier.exe >> which is 299980 bytes long. ] >And where did you get that, hmm? Probably where the rest of us got it - off Aminet. >Mattias Stephen Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!purdue!mentor.cc.purdue.edu!noose.ecn.purdue.edu!gn.ecn.purdue.edu!sacke From: sacke@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Jeff Hanna) Subject: Re: Non-playable demo of Frontier released. Message-ID: <1993Oct25.133358.6307@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network References: <2afbk9$mq8@st-james.comp.vuw.ac.nz> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 93 13:33:58 GMT Lines: 18 In article mattias@knase.update.uu.se (Mattias Myrberg) writes: >In article <2afbk9$mq8@st-james.comp.vuw.ac.nz>, >Francesco.Ballara@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Francesco Ballara) wrote: > >> [ I have an archive containing a single file called Frontier.exe >> which is 299980 bytes long. ] > >And where did you get that, hmm? > >Mattias Well, I do believe it is available on ANY Aminet site in the game/demo directory. To answer the original poster's question--set the stack HIGH (like 60000 or more) and it shall work. I can run the demo successfully on my A1200 w/ A1230XA 50Mhz 68030 Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!trident.usacs.rutgers.edu!mohos From: mohos@trident.usacs.rutgers.edu (Quentin Mohos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Non-playable demo of Frontier released. Message-ID: Date: 26 Oct 93 01:50:21 GMT References: <2afbk9$mq8@st-james.comp.vuw.ac.nz> Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 7 [Frontier demo won't run on my blah blah blah] Once again, did you try setting your stack higher? (about 10000) :-) Quentin Mohos mohos@trident.usacs.rutgers.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!munnari.oz.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!griffin!citadel!gucis!jkempnic From: jkempnic@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (Jason Kempnich) Subject: Frontier AGA - will it exist? Message-ID: Sender: news@citadel.cit.gu.edu.au Organization: Griffith University. Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 02:44:21 GMT Lines: 16 Hi guys, There has been talk about Frontier AGA, and seeing as Frontier (normal) is now available is Australia, I'm *really* itching to buy it, but if there is an AGA version coming, I'll hold off (I have a 4000/040). So does anyone know for certain about Frontier AGA??!?!?!!? Does it exist, or is it a figment of a poster's imagnation? See ya, Jason. -- +------------* Email: jkempnic@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au *-----------------/// | "Got a brand new semi-automatic weapon with a laser sight, /// Intel | Oh I'm praying somebody tries to break in here tonight!" \\\/// Outside +-----* From the song "Trigger Happy" by Wierd Al Yankovic *-----\XX/ Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!cf-cm!cybaswan!cekift From: cekift@swan.pyr (m h kift) Subject: Re: Frontier AGA - will it exist? Message-ID: <1993Oct25.132247.21284@swan.pyr> Organization: Swansea University College References: Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 13:22:47 GMT Lines: 29 In article jkempnic@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (Jason Kempnich) writes: >Hi guys, > >There has been talk about Frontier AGA, and seeing as Frontier (normal) >is now available is Australia, I'm *really* itching to buy it, but if >there is an AGA version coming, I'll hold off (I have a 4000/040). > >So does anyone know for certain about Frontier AGA??!?!?!!? Does it exist, >or is it a figment of a poster's imagnation? > >See ya, >Jason. >-- >+------------* Email: jkempnic@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au *-----------------/// According to many sources, Frontier AGA doesn't exist at the moment. However Braben has expressed a large interest in doing one, especially if the original version sells well. Since this seems likely (8-)) we will hopefully get one. Just don't hold your breath, you will be lucky to see it by Christ- mas in my opinion. I know somebody who has contacts with Gametek, and he tells me that if an AGA version is released, it will be possible to upgrade for a minimum cost. So I think that all AGA owners should go ahead and buy it, and when you send in your registration card, put at the bottom "I WANT AN AGA VERSION PLEASE!" That should do the trick. ;-) Martin Kift Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uxa.cso.uiuc.edu!daf31428 From: daf31428@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (David A. Fleming) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Frontier AGA - will it exist? Date: 25 Oct 1993 20:32:18 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 20 Message-ID: <2ahd4i$qba@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <1993Oct25.132247.21284@swan.pyr> NNTP-Posting-Host: uxa.cso.uiuc.edu cekift@swan.pyr (m h kift) writes: >In article jkempnic@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (Jason Kempnich) writes: >>Hi guys, >> >>There has been talk about Frontier AGA, and seeing as Frontier (normal) >>is now available is Australia, I'm *really* itching to buy it, but if >>there is an AGA version coming, I'll hold off (I have a 4000/040). >> >>So does anyone know for certain about Frontier AGA??!?!?!!? Does it exist, >>or is it a figment of a poster's imagnation? >> If not, I've read about a game called "Inferno" scheduled to come out for the CD32 that looks amazingly slick. The graphics were incredible. I think they once referred to it as "what Epic _should_ have been." -- Dave Fleming daf31428@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu "Kiseki tte no wa okosu mon da" Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!world!mv!chillon!decvax.dec.com!wizard.Nashua.NH.US!sanders From: sanders@wizard.Nashua.NH.US (Gail Sanders) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: DOGFIGHT HANGS my SYSTEM Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 05:02:35 GMT Organization: The Wizard's Guild X-Newsreader: Arn V1.03a Lines: 23 I just bought DOGFIGHT and have been trying to get it to run on my system. But when I double-click the icon, the screen blacks out and the system hangs! Can some of you who have gotten it to run from the hard disk give me some hints? I have an Amiga 2000 + CBM's A2630, A2065, flicker-fixer, and some HDs, running AmigaOS 2.1. I've tried eliminating all the background tasks I can think of, and when I start it up, I usually have 700K+ of CHIP memory and roughly 4-5 meg of fast memory. When will I learn to stay away from MICROPROSE?!? ..sigh -- __ /// __ /// Gail C. Sanders IP: sanders@wizard.Nashua.NH.US \\\ /// 28 Royal Crest Drive UUCP: wizard.Nashua.NH.US!sanders \\\/// Apt. 9 Voice: +1 603 891 0770 \XX/ Nashua, NH 03060 FAX: +1 603 891 1403 Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!news.ecn.bgu.edu!psuvax1!psuvm!mbs110 Organization: The Comet Empire Center for Nonviolent Conflict Resolution Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 12:30:06 EDT From: Mark 'Mark' Sachs Message-ID: <93298.123006MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: FRONTIER (MORE BUGS (*smaller ones*)) Distribution: world References: <2ag2n9$jqn@mits.mdata.fi> Lines: 15 In article <2ag2n9$jqn@mits.mdata.fi>, jarnis@mits.mdata.fi (Jarno Kokko) says: >Just feel like reporting few more bugs from frontier. >(nothing major, won't help you a bit, except in killing yourself!) Well... actually, y'know... they don't sound like bugs. You're firing off missiles and warheads and dropping mines inside a space station. I certainly wouldn't be surprised if that resulted in a quick and messy death, from recoiling into a wall if not from the explosions! "You can't expect me to play a game with weird zoning laws, can you?" [Your blood pressure just went up.] Mark Sachs, aka mbs110@psuvm.psu.edu DISCLAIMER: Penn State cares about my money, not my opinions. Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!news.funet.fi!news.eunet.fi!prime.mdata.fi!mits.mdata.fi!not-for-mail From: jarnis@mits.mdata.fi (Jarno Kokko) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: FRONTIER (MORE BUGS (*smaller ones*)) Date: 25 Oct 1993 10:28:25 +0200 Organization: MITS - Helsinki - Finland Lines: 42 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2ag2n9$jqn@mits.mdata.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: mits.mdata.fi Just feel like reporting few more bugs from frontier. (nothing major, won't help you a bit, except in killing yourself!) 1> You can explode energy bomb while in station. Illogical but doesn't really do anything. (hell you can do it with ECM to, but it atleast doesn't display the 'disturbances') 2> You can target something in the system (nearby planet's starport, or something similar) and see the targetting boxes INSIDE THE STATION. Somewhat illogical but explainable by the fact that your onboard computer is 'creating the targetting boxes according to the object it tracks no matter is there station walls between you or not'. Similarily you can use radar mapper to a target outiside the station. 3> By using above, you can FIRE MISSILES INSIDE STATION causing you to kill yourself pretty fast. Resulting death sequence seems to bug a bit. Also it allows you to get about 10000km/h backward motion caused by the missile launch INSIDE THE STATION (the motion is what kills you, you hit something and you die) 4> With similar style you can launch mines. They only get you fine but if you target to a ship outside first, then if you launch a mine, you make the ship agressive - AND IT FIRES YOU WHILE YOU ARE IN THE STATION! 5> You can launch escape pod inside station too, causing you to get killed instantly. Again you get very messy death sequence with bugged graphics. These are only minor problems and won't affect the gameplay, but they enforce the feeling that the Frontier has been released in a rush (after 3+ years that feels like impossible, but it's true, too little beta testing has been done!) WE WANT BUGFIXED FRONTIER! THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE! Frontier - Partly like a work of true art, partly a nice and smelly pile of BUGS. - Jarnis Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!trane.uninett.no!news.eunet.no!nuug!news.eunet.fi!prime.mdata.fi!mits.mdata.fi!not-for-mail From: jarnis@mits.mdata.fi (Jarno Kokko) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: FRONTIER (MORE BUGS (*smaller ones*)) Date: 25 Oct 1993 20:24:46 +0200 Organization: Microdata International Telecomm Service, Helsinki, Finland Lines: 32 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2ah5le$rns@mits.mdata.fi> References: <2ag2n9$jqn@mits.mdata.fi> <93298.123006MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: mits.mdata.fi In article <93298.123006MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu>, Mark 'Mark' Sachs wrote: >In article <2ag2n9$jqn@mits.mdata.fi>, jarnis@mits.mdata.fi (Jarno Kokko) says: > >>Just feel like reporting few more bugs from frontier. > >>(nothing major, won't help you a bit, except in killing yourself!) > >Well... actually, y'know... they don't sound like bugs. > >You're firing off missiles and warheads and dropping mines inside a space >station. I certainly wouldn't be surprised if that resulted in a quick >and messy death, from recoiling into a wall if not from the explosions! > Considering that the laser is disabled while in starports, they should also be disabled. Also try them out - you'll find that the 3D engine bugs pretty badly when you fire a few missiles for example. Methinks the coder didn't think about the possibility and the beta testing was worse than none. (You know the bulletin board bug? I can't understand how something like that has gone thru beta testers undetected) - Jarnis [Imperial Transporter, 3.8M cash, Competent/Private/Squire, 20MW Beam Laser, 5 Shield Generators, Scanner/CargoLifeSupport/CoolingBooster/ RadarMapper/CloudScanner/NavalECM/etc/etc... No ship is match for me any more] Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!dct.ac.uk!bssbr3jre From: bssbr3jre@dct.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Frontier - for the P.C. Message-ID: <1993Oct25.092718.8119@dct.ac.uk> Date: 25 Oct 93 09:27:17 +0100 Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology Lines: 10 Does anyone know if Frontier is coming out/has been made for the P.C. I know this isn't exactly the right place to ask, but still... Jon Elder, Dundee Tech, Scotland. Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!brunel!ccws-15.brunel.ac.uk!cs92aar From: cs92aar@brunel.ac.uk (Andrew Robertson) Subject: FRONTIER DETAILS!!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: Sender: news@brunel.ac.uk (News supervisor) Nntp-Posting-Host: ccws-15.brunel.ac.uk Reply-To: cs92aar@brunel.ac.uk Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 11:23:40 GMT Lines: 7 Hi All Please post more lovely Frontier Details Cheers andrew Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!news.eunet.fi!prime.mdata.fi!mits.mdata.fi!not-for-mail From: jarnis@mits.mdata.fi (Jarno Kokko) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: FRONTIER - !MAJOR! bug/feature, REALLY needs correcting! Date: 25 Oct 1993 09:56:07 +0200 Organization: MITS - Helsinki - Finland Lines: 100 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2ag0qn$jl8@mits.mdata.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: mits.mdata.fi IF YOU WANT TO BE CONFINED BY THE LAWS OF PHYSICS (give or take hyperdrive) DO NOT READ ONWARDS, FOLLOWING INFORMATION MAY SPOIL THE FUN OUT OF FRONTIER! (BADLY) (going to write a letter to Gametek to be forwarded to Braben about this and few others too... this game seems to be FULL of bugs, most harmless and just annoying, but following text uncovers something that is NOT harmless!) There are actually two bugs. Number one: Say a distace to a planet in local system is 20 AUs, okey, set it to autopilot and fly towards it normally with bit of accelerated time until both crosshairs are locked to it, so you actually are travelling directly to that place. Then put this thing to manual control and accelerate (With 10000x time acceleration gets things done faster) up to the LAST possible second (say 1-2AUs from planet) and then click autopilot. Against the laws of physics it stops your craft from 50-100km/sec to a standstill within 1-2AU distance, clearly impossible. You probably need fastest time acceleration for this, but really not sure. test it out. Number two: Be sure you have some gas onboard and take starmap out, now start scrolling it to somewhere with SHIFT depressed so it goes faster. Now keep looking at 'Out of range' text, at certain intervals it turns to 'Fuel Required: xx t' , try to stop the map at such area, and BANG! you can jump indefinite distance with very little fuel usage. (then just jump with course set to some place 10000 ly away) (Methinks something is overflowing somewhere:-) :-) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!news.funet.fi!news.lut.fi!tsuikki From: tsuikki@cc.lut.fi (Teemu Suikki) Subject: Re: FRONTIER - !MAJOR! bug/feature, REALLY needs correcting! Sender: news@lut.fi (Usenet News) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 16:17:39 GMT References: <2ag0qn$jl8@mits.mdata.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: cc.lut.fi Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland Lines: 11 jarnis@mits.mdata.fi (Jarno Kokko) writes: >(Methinks something is overflowing somewhere:-) :-) Yeah, it is.. But that's not a problem, if you don't use very big speeds.. -- PROC main();DEF a,b,c;b:='** email: tsuikki@lut.fi **';Vprintf(a:='P'+ 'ROC main();DEF a,b,c;b:=%lc%s%lc;Vprintf(a:=%lcP%s%.69s%s%s%lc,%lc[c:'+ '=39,b,c,c,b:=[$%8lx,0],a+1,b,a+70,c,10,^b,10]);ENDPROC/*E .sig!*/%1lc', [c:=39,b,c,c,b:=[$272B0A27,0],a+1,b,a+70,c,10,^b,10]);ENDPROC/*E .sig!*/ Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!trane.uninett.no!news.eunet.no!nuug!news.eunet.fi!prime.mdata.fi!mits.mdata.fi!not-for-mail From: jarnis@mits.mdata.fi (Jarno Kokko) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: FRONTIER - !MAJOR! bug/feature, REALLY needs correcting! Date: 25 Oct 1993 20:19:01 +0200 Organization: Microdata International Telecomm Service, Helsinki, Finland Lines: 15 Message-ID: <2ah5al$rk9@mits.mdata.fi> References: <2ag0qn$jl8@mits.mdata.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: mits.mdata.fi In article , Teemu Suikki wrote: >jarnis@mits.mdata.fi (Jarno Kokko) writes: > >>(Methinks something is overflowing somewhere:-) :-) > >Yeah, it is.. But that's not a problem, if you don't use very big speeds.. > But didn't you get the idea? with the bug I described earlier, you can go from one side of the galaxy to another in notime at all, and with neglible (few tons) fuel consumption. A bug or what? (read the original article again, and this time think while reading:-) - Jarnis Nntp-Posting-Host: holmenkollen.ifi.uio.no Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!trane.uninett.no!nntp.uio.no!ifi.uio.no!larshaug From: larshaug@ifi.uio.no (Lars Haugseth) Subject: Re: FRONTIER is a bug-hunters dream (more little bugs found!) Message-ID: <1993Oct25.123611.16259@ifi.uio.no> Sender: larshaug@ifi.uio.no (Lars Haugseth) Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway References: <2agdee$l5b@mits.mdata.fi> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 12:36:11 GMT Lines: 23 Originator: larshaug@holmenkollen.ifi.uio.no So Jarno, you think you have found some nasty bugs? Well I have found a bug too, and this is a very bad one! Have you ever used the Hyperspace Cloud Analyzer? I just tried it on my own cloud, and I get a GURU :((( I've tried it about 5 times now, with different stack-size etc, but it gurus every time. B< (Guru#00000003 - Address error) I'm playing on an A500 with 0.5Mb chip and 4Mb fast and a 14Mhz AdSpeed. Don't think I've tried to disable the AdSpeed, but this shouldn't have caused an address error? I haven't tested the HCA on other clouds than my own, since I haven't found any... +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Lars Haugseth +-+ | Dept. of Informatics, Like private-parts to the Gods are we -| | | Univ. of Oslo, Norway they play with us for their sport. BA| | +-+--------------------------------------------------------------+ | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!trane.uninett.no!news.eunet.no!nuug!news.eunet.fi!prime.mdata.fi!mits.mdata.fi!not-for-mail From: jarnis@mits.mdata.fi (Jarno Kokko) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: FRONTIER is a bug-hunters dream (more little bugs found!) Date: 25 Oct 1993 13:31:26 +0200 Organization: MITS - Helsinki - Finland Lines: 18 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2agdee$l5b@mits.mdata.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: mits.mdata.fi First I thought there would be REAL freedom of movement but it's just a fake. You can't go further than 1724.013AUs from a central star, and the top actual speed is 203062.08 km/sec, only 2/3 of the speed of light. I'm currently travelling at the speed stated above away from a star, but I'm still 1724.013 AUs from it, been for 5 minutes. And I was hoping for relativistic effects, possibility of non-hyperdrive travelling from a star to another. Time would go slowly even for you, but you would see that very much time has passed during your long voyage from everyone else's point of view. *sigh* ... Where's Elite III, Frontier is good but not perfect. - Jarnis Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!spool.mu.edu!sdd.hp.com!portal!cup.portal.com!Mitch_-_Morgan From: Mitch_-_Morgan@cup.portal.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Fontier in the States: WHEN & WHERE! Message-ID: <94170@cup.portal.com> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 93 20:08:31 PDT Organization: The Portal System (TM) Distribution: world Lines: 11 Ok the hype has got me and I WANT frontier! Safe Harbor in the states told me a Christmas time release but I hear others in the states talking about how it is (pirated copies maybe, could be imported, who knows!). Anyway does anyone know when/where it is/will-be availible? I WANT I WANT I WANT I WANT I WANT I WANT I WANT I WANT I WANT!!!!!! Ok, my tantrum is over :) Mitch MOTORHEAD Morgan C64 ELITE (Retired) Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!relay.philips.nl!mswe!jvdwerf From: jvdwerf@mswe.dnet.ms.philips.nl (Johan van der Werf) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Frontier - Not Modem Message-ID: <1993Oct25.121422.131589@mswe> Date: 25 Oct 93 12:14:22 +0100 References: Distribution: world Organization: Philips Medical Systems Nederland Lines: 18 In article , sgberg@charon.bloomington.in.us (Stefan G. Berg) writes: > > > Eventually the other person will finish the dogfight and go into maybe > 10x mode at which point both players will accelerate their time. At > the worst, this causes unnecessary delays for one player, but I think > it should be doable. It should certainly be very doable if both > players tend to fly together in formation (then generally they will > both require the same time acceleration). > It's not only the time speed facility, but you would also get problems when one player would make a hyperspace jump and the other didn't. A hyperspace jump can take upto 1 week of game time (max.) ---Johan Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!rulway.LeidenUniv.nl!nic.wi.leidenuniv.nl!stpc144.wi.leidenuniv.nl!GUIJT From: GUIJT@stpc.wi.LeidenUniv.nl (Hans Guijt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Frontier montage Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 13:19:35 GMT Organization: Department of Mathematics and Computer Science, University of Leiden Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <1993Oct22.165504.14693@ifi.uio.no> NNTP-Posting-Host: stpc144.wi.leidenuniv.nl In article <1993Oct22.165504.14693@ifi.uio.no> larshaug@ifi.uio.no (Lars Haugseth) writes: >From: larshaug@ifi.uio.no (Lars Haugseth) >Subject: Re: Frontier montage >Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1993 16:55:04 GMT > >In article , GUIJT@stpc.wi.LeidenUniv.nl (Hans Guijt) writes: >> In article u9219846@oxygen.sys.uea.ac.uk (T. Peers) writes: >> Now, for a comparable game, but one that was REALLY great: WARHEAD! And it >> had Sirius in it as well! Anyone remember what Sirius stood for in Warhead? >> RIGHT! > >Yes, Warhead was a nice game, but did it have more of a storyline than >Frontier? Just because everything you should do was decided beforehand, >ie. evrytime you start the game over, it's exactly the same. Does >this make it a better game? Actually, yes, it had more of a storyline. Tell me, IS there a storyline in Frontier? Not a flame, just interested. I remember there was a story in the Elite package, but it had nothing to do with the game. One problem with storylines (even branching ones) is that it must be created before the game is in the shops, rather than randomly generated. Such efforts result in a far more interesting game, IMHO. It also means that the game will be more linear: once played, seen it all, etc. But, when you've seen a couple of dozen planets in Frontier, you can say the same. Except that those planets were basically all the same, and not interesting at all. Hans Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!rulway.LeidenUniv.nl!nic.wi.leidenuniv.nl!stpc144.wi.leidenuniv.nl!GUIJT From: GUIJT@stpc.wi.LeidenUniv.nl (Hans Guijt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Frontier montage Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 13:27:22 GMT Organization: Department of Mathematics and Computer Science, University of Leiden Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: stpc144.wi.leidenuniv.nl In article eyvind@lise.unit.no (Eyvind Bernhardsen) writes: >I liked Warhead too, but I don't really think it's in Frontier's >league at all. It's like comparing AfterBurner (the Sega game) with >flying a real Tomcat. Fun, but no comparison to the real thing. ;) Come on, Warhead is not that bad, nor Frontier that good. Frontier: - ...has a far more funky graphics engine. - ...gives you complete freedom of movement. - ...allows you to trade (well, if you *like* trading...) Warhead: - ...gives you a *great* storyline. - ...has far nicer-looking starmaps. - ...doesn't bother you with trading. - ...has a really great feeling of being there. Perhaps because the colors aren't chosen from a palette consisting of ugly neon colors? >Oh yeah, in case anyone's interested, I found out how to run Warhead >on my 1200 ;) Boot kickstart 1.3. Runs on my a4000/30 as well. Hans Nntp-Posting-Host: yrsa.ifi.uio.no Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!trane.uninett.no!nntp.uio.no!ifi.uio.no!larshaug From: larshaug@ifi.uio.no (Lars Haugseth) Subject: Re: Frontier montage Message-ID: <1993Oct25.144454.2798@ifi.uio.no> Sender: larshaug@ifi.uio.no (Lars Haugseth) Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway References: <1993Oct22.165504.14693@ifi.uio.no> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 14:44:54 GMT Lines: 53 Originator: larshaug@yrsa.ifi.uio.no In article , GUIJT@stpc.wi.LeidenUniv.nl (Hans Guijt) writes: > In article <1993Oct22.165504.14693@ifi.uio.no> larshaug@ifi.uio.no (Lars Haugseth) writes: > >From: larshaug@ifi.uio.no (Lars Haugseth) > >Subject: Re: Frontier montage > >Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1993 16:55:04 GMT > > > >In article , GUIJT@stpc.wi.LeidenUniv.nl (Hans Guijt) writes: > >> In article u9219846@oxygen.sys.uea.ac.uk (T. Peers) writes: > >> Now, for a comparable game, but one that was REALLY great: WARHEAD! And it > >> had Sirius in it as well! Anyone remember what Sirius stood for in Warhead? > >> RIGHT! > > > >Yes, Warhead was a nice game, but did it have more of a storyline than > >Frontier? Just because everything you should do was decided beforehand, > >ie. evrytime you start the game over, it's exactly the same. Does > >this make it a better game? > > Actually, yes, it had more of a storyline. Tell me, IS there a storyline in > Frontier? Not a flame, just interested. I remember there was a story in the > Elite package, but it had nothing to do with the game. You have inherited an Eagle Long Range Fighter from your grandfather Jameson (The main char in Elite), and so has all his other descendants. Now you are free to do what you want with it. In the Frontier package there are a booklet with some short stories, and another booklet with info about the main systems of the (known) galaxy. > One problem with storylines (even branching ones) is that it must be created > before the game is in the shops, rather than randomly generated. Such > efforts result in a far more interesting game, IMHO. It also means that the > game will be more linear: once played, seen it all, etc. Well in my opinion this is not a good thing, but ofcourse we can't all have the same opinions... > But, when you've seen a couple of dozen planets in Frontier, you can say > the same. Except that those planets were basically all the same, and not > interesting at all. Frontier is more than planets, you know... Wouldn't hurt if each planet had a complex like in the Mercenary games, though :-) +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Lars Haugseth +-+ | Dept. of Informatics, Like private-parts to the Gods are we -| | | Univ. of Oslo, Norway they play with us for their sport. BA| | +-+--------------------------------------------------------------+ | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!trane.uninett.no!ugle.unit.no!ugle!eyvind From: eyvind@lise.unit.no (Eyvind Bernhardsen) Subject: Re: Frontier montage In-Reply-To: GUIJT@stpc.wi.LeidenUniv.nl's message of Mon, 25 Oct 1993 13:27:22 GMT Message-ID: X-Md4-Signature: 36a9fdc6e38e1618bc53f750eae5ebdc Sender: news@ugle.unit.no (NetNews Administrator) Organization: University of Trondheim, Norway References: Date: 25 Oct 1993 15:53:42 GMT Lines: 67 In article GUIJT@stpc.wi.LeidenUniv.nl (Hans Guijt) writes: In article eyvind@lise.unit.no (Eyvind Bernhardsen) writes: >I liked Warhead too, but I don't really think it's in Frontier's >league at all. It's like comparing AfterBurner (the Sega game) with >flying a real Tomcat. Fun, but no comparison to the real thing. ;) Come on, Warhead is not that bad, nor Frontier that good. AfterBurner isn't that bad either. But in Warhead, you don't actually have to *think* at all (it's REALLY like being in the army ;) Only independent thing I can recall was figuring out you had to go to the black hole to get rid of the Berzerker... Wow. In Frontier, on the other hand, you have to think just to get a game out of it. Nothing is defined. Much more like real life. See the difference? Frontier: - ...has a far more funky graphics engine. - ...gives you complete freedom of movement. - ...allows you to trade (well, if you *like* trading...) - ...allows you to become a pirate. - ...allows you to become a miner. - ...allows you to travel through the galaxy looking for alien races, as soon as you become a millionaire. - ...doesn't FORCE you to do any of this. Warhead: - ...gives you a *great* storyline. - ...gives you a storyline AND a path to follow. If Frontier had invading Sirians, you would have been able to try trading with them, devise your own strategy if you decided to fight them, run away, ignore them... Kinda like you would in RL, huh? - ...has far nicer-looking starmaps. Umm... Well, the starmap in Frontier doesn't have a search facility, but otherwise I don't see it being worse than Warhead's... - ...doesn't bother you with trading. You don't HAVE to trade, do you? That's the point of Frontier. You don't HAVE to do anything. - ...has a really great feeling of being there. Perhaps because the colors aren't chosen from a palette consisting of ugly neon colors? In your opinion. IMO, Frontier is as good as Warhead at making you feel "there". Warhead was GREAT in this, but so's Frontier. >Oh yeah, in case anyone's interested, I found out how to run Warhead >on my 1200 ;) Boot kickstart 1.3. Runs on my a4000/30 as well. Yeah, IF you have fastmem. Warhead won't work on chip-only machines. But I don't need to kick to 1.3... Try just turning the caches off. Hans -- //| Eyvind Bernhardsen | eyvind@lise.unit.no // | | \\ //--| Finger me for my | Amigoid and Linux advocate. \X/ | public PGP key :) | Save the whalers! Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!news.funet.fi!news.lut.fi!tsuikki From: tsuikki@cc.lut.fi (Teemu Suikki) Subject: Frontier MULTITASKS! Sender: news@lut.fi (Usenet News) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 15:01:44 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: cc.lut.fi Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland I bought Frontier last Friday, and have played it 12 hours a day since then.. :) But, I noticed one thing. If I remove the disk from diskdrive, the drive starts clicking. It clicks all the time, even when flying the ship.. This made me wonder, could it possibly be that the game doesn't disable multitasking. So, I made the following script: run frontier wait 10 secs dir dh0: and executed it. Frontier started, and after ten seconds I could hear my harddrive reading the directory.. So the game does multitask. However, there is no way to get the WB screen visible, since Frontier has it's own copperlists.. I haven't tried what happens if I get the OS copperlist from gfxbase and poke that to $dff080. -- PROC main();DEF a,b,c;b:='** email: tsuikki@lut.fi **';Vprintf(a:='P'+ 'ROC main();DEF a,b,c;b:=%lc%s%lc;Vprintf(a:=%lcP%s%.69s%s%s%lc,%lc[c:'+ '=39,b,c,c,b:=[$%8lx,0],a+1,b,a+70,c,10,^b,10]);ENDPROC/*E .sig!*/%1lc', [c:=39,b,c,c,b:=[$272B0A27,0],a+1,b,a+70,c,10,^b,10]);ENDPROC/*E .sig!*/ Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!trane.uninett.no!nntp.uio.no!nac.no!dhhalden.no!pc179.dhhalden.no!jorngh From: jorngh@dhhalden.no (Jorn) Subject: Frontier CONCERNS! Message-ID: Lines: 40 Sender: news@dhhalden.no (Network News User) Nntp-Posting-Host: pc179 Organization: Pyro, inc. Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 20:21:27 GMT First, my setup: Python Freighter 20MW Beam Laser + booster 12 Shield Generators Energy Booster Naval ECM System Class 5 Hyper Drive + all the essentials 2.5 Million Credits Federal Rank: Corporal Elite Rank : Competent This took me about 30 hours of gameplay. My problem: The game is becoming boring and repetitive!!! Space Combat: With my setup all you have to do is setting the docking computer to the enemy space craft and CRASH into it!!! You loose 20-30% of your shield, but with 12 shield generators that's no problem. NO space craft has yet posed any threat! I wiped out the whole police fleet of a space station this way. WHERE'S THE CHALLENGE ????? Missions: I poked around the binary and as far as I can see there are NO tailor made missions, just the randomly created ones that you all know. Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!navajo!shulick From: shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) Subject: ENOUGH. LET'S DO IT NOW. (Frontier) Message-ID: Originator: shulick@navajo Sender: news@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu (USENET News System) Nntp-Posting-Host: navajo.ucs.indiana.edu Reply-To: shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu Organization: Vallen Software Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1993 22:31:58 GMT Lines: 8 Ok, folks. I say we make a comp.sys.amiga.games.frontier. All in favor, say AYE! -- ########################################################################### Sam Hulick - shulick@indiana.edu | Tarador @ IRC | Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!munnari.oz.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!marlin.jcu.edu.au!cemn From: cemn@marlin.jcu.edu.au (Michael Nielsen) Subject: Re: FRONTIER NEEDS AT LEAST 100K STACK! Message-ID: <1993Oct26.044733.14507@marlin.jcu.edu.au> Organization: James Cook University References: Date: Tue, 26 Oct 93 04:47:33 GMT Lines: 31 In article ummuir05@ccu.umanitoba.ca (John Derek Muir) writes: >>> I just posted a rather ridiculous method for starting frontier. Somebody >>> mailed me and said it was enough to simply set the stack to 100K. Although I >>> didn't try this yet this may very well be the problem. >>> >>> Frontier, of course, should have done this by itself. So, anybody with >>> problems, try this first. > >>75K stack was enough on my stock 1200 (running from RAM:) > >>Albert > >I have my stack set at 20000 bytes on my A3000/16... Had no problems. It was >quite the nice demo... > >John >-- >John D. Muir - John_Muir@umanitoba.ca >University of Manitoba >Computer Engineering II Any one know if it runs on an A4000/040, I tried, but it crashed shortly after starting (ie froze). mike -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ cemn@Manta.jcu.edu.au Michael Nielsen BeHons @ 1993 Disclamer :- I'm Innocent ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!munnari.oz.au!ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU!werple.apana.org.au!bushwire.apana.org.au!guru!Nai_Ying_Kwok From: Nai_Ying_Kwok@guru.apana.org.au (Nudd) Subject: Re: Frontier Demo Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games References: <29r6ui$b2l@news.u.washington.edu> X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Message-ID: Date: 25 Oct 93 19:50:21 +1000 Organization: Guru Meditation BBS Lines: 30 Somebody (kludge@carson.u.washington.edu) wrote: : ao10@crux1.cit.cornell.edu (Adam Osterweil) writes: : Ok, seriously, the music, while nicely in sinc with the action, was pretty : bad. And the constant flickering of part of the sky background in space : when it remapped the nebula affect to black instead of blue was very : annoying. The constant remapping of the palette in the city was pretty : annoying too. Does the demo open a deeper screen in AGA and fix this? (If : you're not sure what I mean, look at the city scenes - do parts of the : buildings/runway etc change color/disappear when the light on the control : tower flashes or during the attack?) Er... It sounds like you forgot to set the stack size to 100000 man. On my 3000 it looked okay without the remapping. With a lower stack size, the flicker was close to unbearable. NY -- ============================================================================ = nudd@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au = "Surrender? That's not defeat for = = Nai_Ying_Kwok@guru.apana.org.au = a woman!" = = = - Diana Rigg, The Assassination = = = Bureau = = ONLY AMIGAS MAKE IT POSSIBLE!!! = ============================================================================ Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!spool.mu.edu!news.clark.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!carson.u.washington.edu!kludge From: kludge@carson.u.washington.edu (Somebody) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Frontier Demo Date: 26 Oct 1993 05:56:48 GMT Organization: University of Washington Lines: 31 Message-ID: <2aie70$1v3@news.u.washington.edu> References: <29r6ui$b2l@news.u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu Nai_Ying_Kwok@guru.apana.org.au (Nudd) writes: >Somebody (kludge@carson.u.washington.edu) wrote: >: ao10@crux1.cit.cornell.edu (Adam Osterweil) writes: >: Ok, seriously, the music, while nicely in sinc with the action, was pretty >: bad. And the constant flickering of part of the sky background in space >: when it remapped the nebula affect to black instead of blue was very >: annoying. The constant remapping of the palette in the city was pretty >: annoying too. Does the demo open a deeper screen in AGA and fix this? (If >: you're not sure what I mean, look at the city scenes - do parts of the >: buildings/runway etc change color/disappear when the light on the control >: tower flashes or during the attack?) >Er... It sounds like you forgot to set the stack size to 100000 man. On my >3000 it looked okay without the remapping. With a lower stack size, the >flicker was close to unbearable. Huh? What does stack size have to do with it? The flicker comes from it using a 16 color screen... Just to make sure, I tried it with a 150k stack - no difference. -- J "Gamera's really neat! Gamera's full of meat! We love Gamera!" "Joel, do human beings really act like this?" -- Tom Servo Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!sci.kun.nl!vdrongelen.psych.kun.nl!user From: vdrongelen@NICI.kun.nl (Albert van Drongelen) Subject: Solution to autopilot-crash in Frontier Message-ID: Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.games Sender: news@sci.kun.nl (News owner) Nntp-Posting-Host: vdrongelen.psych.kun.nl Organization: NICI Nijmegen Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 10:44:35 GMT Hi all. There were several posts concerning autopilot docking, which sooner or later would result in a crash. Happened to me yesterday on several occasions, but only when I had changed the view while docking. I think you should be in front view, i.e. not behind the ship, or watching its back. As far as I could see, game speed had nothing to do with it, you can change the speed during auto-docking with no problems. Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!sci.kun.nl!vdrongelen.psych.kun.nl!user From: vdrongelen@NICI.kun.nl (Albert van Drongelen) Subject: Re: ENOUGH. LET'S DO IT NOW. (Frontier) Message-ID: Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.games Sender: news@sci.kun.nl (News owner) Nntp-Posting-Host: vdrongelen.psych.kun.nl Organization: NICI Nijmegen References: Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 10:58:23 GMT In article , shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) wrote: > > > Ok, folks. I say we make a comp.sys.amiga.games.frontier. All in > favor, say AYE! And have all the PC folks who can't play Frontier (yet) drool all over our newsgroup? nah... > -- > ########################################################################### > Sam Hulick - shulick@indiana.edu | > Tarador @ IRC | Albert Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!dxcern!vxcrna.cern.ch!gowdy From: gowdy@vxcrna.cern.ch (Stephen J Gowdy) Subject: Any Frontier Tips? Message-ID: <26OCT199312100898@vxcrna.cern.ch> News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Keywords: Frontier, Amiga Sender: news@dxcern.cern.ch (USENET News System) Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 11:10:00 GMT Lines: 13 I have tried playing Frontier but have only had about 30 mins flying time. The trouble is I can't seem to kill the pirates. I manage to hit them a few times but they always either ram me or hit me with a missile. Anyone got any tips? By the way, how do you target a missile? I can't seem to find it. ************************************************************************** *Stephen J Gowdy *A4000/040*"Great quote coming soon...." * *Bitnet: GOWDY AT GWIA *120 MB HD* * *DecNet: 20075::GOWDY *6MEG RAM!* by me * *InterNet: GOWDY@v1.ph.gla.ac.uk*It moves!* * ************************************************************************** Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!pipex!uknet!brunel!ccws-19.brunel.ac.uk!cs92aar From: cs92aar@brunel.ac.uk (Andrew Robertson) Subject: --==++ FRONIER TALES ++==-- Message-ID: Sender: news@brunel.ac.uk (News supervisor) Nntp-Posting-Host: ccws-19.brunel.ac.uk Reply-To: cs92aar@brunel.ac.uk Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 11:56:25 GMT Lines: 10 Please Post all your space exploits to me here please.. All those near misses.. historic sun rises...etc Andrew DO IT NOW Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!xlink.net!sbusol.rz.uni-sb.de!aldebaran!winter From: winter@aquarius.cs.uni-sb.de (Stefan Winterstein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Frontier MULTITASKS! Date: 26 Oct 1993 12:36:18 GMT Organization: Universitaet des Saarlandes Lines: 22 Sender: winter@aquarius (Stefan Winterstein) Distribution: world Message-ID: <2aj5k2INNbul@sbusol.rz.uni-sb.de> References: Reply-To: winter@cs.uni-sb.de NNTP-Posting-Host: aquarius.cs.uni-sb.de In article , tsuikki@cc.lut.fi (Teemu Suikki) writes: |> |> So the game does multitask. Yes, it does. If you are running a screen blanker, it might be better to turn it off before starting the game. Since the game is catching all input and won't let anything through, the blanker gets active after a while and can slow the game down. (This happened with SuperDark.) |> However, there is no way to get the WB screen |> visible, since Frontier has it's own copperlists.. I don't see any reason why the program doesn't use a proper screen. Also, it would be nice if one could leave the game without rebooting. I still love it, though ;-) /// Gruss, /// __ /// - Stefan \\\ /// \\X// Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!xlink.net!sbusol.rz.uni-sb.de!aldebaran!winter From: winter@aquarius.cs.uni-sb.de (Stefan Winterstein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: FRONTIER IN SHOPS ! Date: 26 Oct 1993 13:16:33 GMT Organization: Universitaet des Saarlandes Lines: 45 Sender: winter@aquarius (Stefan Winterstein) Distribution: world Message-ID: <2aj7vhINNbul@sbusol.rz.uni-sb.de> References: <1993Oct21.115433.16372@ifi.uio.no> <1993Oct21.130628.6539@ifi.uio.no> Reply-To: winter@cs.uni-sb.de NNTP-Posting-Host: aquarius.cs.uni-sb.de In article <1993Oct21.130628.6539@ifi.uio.no>, jonlo@ifi.uio.no (Jon Cato Lorentzen) writes: |> |> Well, the game is out here in Norway, and I got a copy yesterday. Got mine on Monday in Germany. Paid only DM 65,- ($ 40), postage included. |> |> Has anyone else had problems with the following: |> |> -Docking with space-stations: The auto-pilot seems to crash the ship into |> the walls about 50 percent of the times I dock. If I run accellerated time |> while docking, there is no crashing, but if the a-pilot is flying realtime |> he always seems to have serious trouble docking. I've only crashed (so far) if I used the outside view while docking. |> -The colour problems from the demo are still present Yes, but there seems to be less flicker than in the demo version. I don't find it too annoying, though. |> -The copy protection!!! ARGGH! |> The machine asks me for a letter from the manual every time I land or dock. Same here. |> Also, does anyone know where to begin counting the lines when the copy |> protection appears. Do you count in the Headlines, or only the main text? |> You get no feedback telling you if you entered the right or wrong letter... :( I count the heading of a paragraph as a line and use upper- or lowercase letters - had no problems so far. Don't know if case is significant. There's nothing about it in the manuals. |> |> However, on the overall, the game is great! |> Yep! /// Gruss, /// __ /// - Stefan \\\ /// \\X// Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!xlink.net!sbusol.rz.uni-sb.de!aldebaran!winter From: winter@aquarius.cs.uni-sb.de (Stefan Winterstein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Frontier questions Date: 26 Oct 1993 13:20:45 GMT Organization: Universitaet des Saarlandes Lines: 16 Sender: winter@aquarius (Stefan Winterstein) Distribution: world Message-ID: <2aj87dINNbul@sbusol.rz.uni-sb.de> References: <2a597e$omh@tukki.cc.jyu.fi> <2a6dh5$g75@kruuna.Helsinki.FI> Reply-To: winter@cs.uni-sb.de NNTP-Posting-Host: aquarius.cs.uni-sb.de In article <2a6dh5$g75@kruuna.Helsinki.FI>, lindblad@kruuna.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad) writes: |> Niilo Paasivirta (paasivir@jyu.fi) wrote: |> > 2. Does it multitask? |> |> Nope. I think it keeps the system alive. The drives are clicking, and a screen blanker will get active after some time (although you don't see it). SuperDark slowed the game down, so remember to turn your blanker off before starting the game. /// Gruss, /// __ /// - Stefan \\\ /// \\X// Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!xlink.net!sbusol.rz.uni-sb.de!aldebaran!winter From: winter@aquarius.cs.uni-sb.de (Stefan Winterstein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: FRONTIER Prefs (was: Re: Elite II *** FLOP ***) Date: 26 Oct 1993 13:26:19 GMT Organization: Universitaet des Saarlandes Lines: 14 Sender: winter@aquarius (Stefan Winterstein) Distribution: world Message-ID: <2aj8hrINNbul@sbusol.rz.uni-sb.de> References: <2a3bbf$qmu@wumpus.cc.uow.edu.au> <2a3qsp$ren@kruuna.Helsinki.FI> Reply-To: winter@cs.uni-sb.de NNTP-Posting-Host: aquarius.cs.uni-sb.de In article <2a3qsp$ren@kruuna.Helsinki.FI>, lindblad@kruuna.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad) writes: |> Someone said that one can control the level of detail - I |> don't know if this is true as I have yet to see the manual say anything |> about that. I'd be happy if someone would point me the page of the |> manual that gives the key combination to do this. You get the preferences by pressing ESC twice. They are not fully described, only a few hints about it are scattered throughout the manual. /// Gruss, /// __ /// - Stefan \\\ /// \\X// Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!xlink.net!fauern!rrze.uni-erlangen.de!y.cip.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de!wloske From: wloske@y.cip.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de (Wolfgang Loske) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Elite II *** FLOP *** Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 14:18:31 GMT Organization: Regionales Rechenzentrum Erlangen, Germany Message-ID: <2ajbjnEhfa@uni-erlangen.de> References: <2a3bbf$qmu@wumpus.cc.uow.edu.au> <2a3imcINN8g7@ctron-news.ctron.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cipy.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de Lines: 31 Hi there, o.k. we all know about Elite I, don't we. Forget it. That does not mean that it isn't a VERY good game, but we're talking about Frontier. IMHO it is meant as a game for itself and not as a real sequel to Elite I. But now, as I'm ready with reading all those postings about Frontier, my questions: 1) Is it that slow on 60000 as all of you say ? 2) If there is a lower detail level and does the game get faste then (perhaps the same minimal graphics as Elite I) 3) Is it possible, with the harder flight controls in mind, to hit the enemy or even kill him ? 4) Is the game really worth buying for 60000 Thanks Wolfgang --- ----------------------------------------------------------- Mankind is more efficient with a bicycle. The computer is nothing else than a bicycle for the brain ! -- Steve Jobbs ----------------------------------------------------------- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!emory!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!uum1!ncrtimes!news From: (Mark Wick) Subject: RE: Enough, Let's do it now (Frontier) Message-ID: <1993Oct26.140651.1682@NCRTimes.stpaul.ncr.com> Sender: news@NCRTimes.stpaul.ncr.com Organization: NCR Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 14:06:51 GMT Lines: 3 Aye!!!! mwick@stpaul.ncr.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!news.funet.fi!news.cs.tut.fi!news.cs.tut.fi!bitti From: bitti@korppi.cs.tut.fi (Matti Rintala) Subject: Re: FRONTIER NEEDS AT LEAST 100K STACK! In-Reply-To: cemn@marlin.jcu.edu.au's message of Tue, 26 Oct 93 04: 47:33 GMT Message-ID: Sender: usenet@news.cs.tut.fi (#Kotilo NEWS system ) Nntp-Posting-Host: cs.tut.fi Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Finland References: <1993Oct26.044733.14507@marlin.jcu.edu.au> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 14:46:35 GMT Lines: 21 >>>>> " " == Michael Nielsen writes: > Any one know if it runs on an A4000/040, I tried, but it > crashed shortly after starting (ie froze). I had problems like that when I started it with its icon from Workbench. As someone already mentioned, Frontier doesn't disable multitasking, so a screenblanker might cause the freezeing you mentioned. Or a clock program trying to do audio etc. I have such a customized Workbench (and with many of those "this is a nasty hack"-type utilities) that I chose to start using PickStartup and boot directly to Frontier without any utilities whatsoever (and because I can't come back from Frontier anyway, I don't need those utilities before I have to boot again). > mike -- -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matti Rintala bitti@cs.tut.fi ******************************************************************************* "Time is a drug. Too much of it kills you."(from Small Gods by Terry Pratchett) Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!news.service.uci.edu!cerritos.edu!wilbur!qed!aga Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Frontier bulletin board bug Message-ID: From: aga@qedbbs.com (Peter Dilley) Date: 25 Oct 93 06:39:10 GMT Sender: bbs@qed.UUCP References: Organization: The QED BBS, Lakewood CA Lines: 20 shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes: > apm@kikka.hut.fi (Antti Miettinen) writes: > >One bug I've noticed: sometimes the bulletin board is messed up. For > >example last night I got several times empty bulletin board with up > >scroll arrow which did nothing. Sometimes the bulletin board showed > >items from stock market and the buttons beside the items did nothing. > > Yeah, I noticed that, too. Also, sometimes the bulletin board will have > stock market listings on it!! But you can't do anything with it. Ugh. 1) Empty board. Do a >>>>> until 1 day passes. You have to pay a bearth fee, but it should fix the problem. 2) Stock Prices. Try step 1. It's worth a shot. ------------------------------ aga@qedbbs.com (Peter Dilley) or qed!aga The QED BBS -- (310)420-9327 Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!news.funet.fi!uta.fi!uta.fi!news-path From: cspeni@uta.fi (Petri Nisumaa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Frontier bulletin board bug Date: 27 Oct 1993 04:13:05 +0200 Organization: University of Tampere, Finland Lines: 38 Message-ID: <2aklfhINNiaf@vuokko.uta.fi> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: vuokko.uta.fi In article aga@qedbbs.com (Peter Dilley) writes: >shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes: > >> apm@kikka.hut.fi (Antti Miettinen) writes: >> >One bug I've noticed: sometimes the bulletin board is messed up. For >> >example last night I got several times empty bulletin board with up >> >scroll arrow which did nothing. Sometimes the bulletin board showed >> >items from stock market and the buttons beside the items did nothing. >> >> Yeah, I noticed that, too. Also, sometimes the bulletin board will have >> stock market listings on it!! But you can't do anything with it. Ugh. >1) Empty board. Do a >>>>> until 1 day passes. You have to pay a bearth > fee, but it should fix the problem. It's not empty. In the previous station there were more announcements and you scrolled the screen down. Now you are in station with few announcements and the program fails to show them. (Apparently programmers forgot to reset the counter). You can avoid this by always scrolling the bulleting board all the way up before launching. Time acceleration works, too. I wonder what did the programmers do with all the time they got. It seems that they didn't beta-test Frontier at all. Also I just had a quick look at the code and there's not too many different missions. Most of them are stupid delivery missions, few assassination missions and there appears to be some kind of photographing mission. The best seems to be destroying some planetary installation with a nuclear missile. And that's about it. The rest seems to be just variations of these basic missions. I couldn't find any special missions nor any sign of alien races. (I hope I just missed them :( ) Waiting for Frontier II.. -- | Petri Nisumaa | You can be young only once, | V{in{m|isenkatu 11D241 | but you can be immature for ever. | 33540 Tampere, Finland | | InterNet: cspeni@uta.fi | Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!news.funet.fi!uta.fi!uta.fi!news-path From: cspeni@uta.fi (Petri Nisumaa) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Frontier bulletin board bug Date: 27 Oct 1993 04:21:49 +0200 Organization: University of Tampere, Finland Lines: 38 Message-ID: <2aklvtINN7fg@kielo.uta.fi> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: kalliokielo.uta.fi In article aga@qedbbs.com (Peter Dilley) writes: >shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes: > >> apm@kikka.hut.fi (Antti Miettinen) writes: >> >One bug I've noticed: sometimes the bulletin board is messed up. For >> >example last night I got several times empty bulletin board with up >> >scroll arrow which did nothing. Sometimes the bulletin board showed >> >items from stock market and the buttons beside the items did nothing. >> >> Yeah, I noticed that, too. Also, sometimes the bulletin board will have >> stock market listings on it!! But you can't do anything with it. Ugh. >1) Empty board. Do a >>>>> until 1 day passes. You have to pay a bearth > fee, but it should fix the problem. It's not empty. In the previous station there were more announcements and you scrolled the screen down. Now you are in station with few announcements and the program fails to show them. (Apparently programmers forgot to reset the counter). You can avoid this by always scrolling the bulleting board all the way up before launching. Time acceleration works, too. I wonder what did the programmers do with all the time they got. It seems that they didn't beta-test Frontier at all. Also I just had a quick look at the code and there's not too many different missions. Most of them are stupid delivery missions, few assassination missions and there appears to be some kind of photographing mission. The best seems to be destroying some planetary installation with a nuclear missile. And that's about it. The rest seems to be just variations of these basic missions. I couldn't find any special missions nor any sign of alien races. (I hope I just missed them :( ) Waiting for Frontier II.. -- | Petri Nisumaa | You can be young only once, | V{in{m|isenkatu 11D241 | but you can be immature for ever. | 33540 Tampere, Finland | | InterNet: cspeni@uta.fi | Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!seunet!seunet!piraya!overdose!Mike.Noreen From: Mike.Noreen@p14.anet.bbs.bad.se (Mike Noreen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Would like some Frontier tips. Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Oct 93 08:54:14 +0200 References: Sender: BadNet@piraya.bad.se Reply-To: Mike.Noreen@p14.anet.bbs.bad.se (Mike Noreen) Distribution: world Organization: De Profundis, Stockholm, Sweden OD-Comment-To: Ralph_Barbagallo Lines: 21 In the message * Re: Would like some Frontier tips. * Ralph wrote: RB> Is Frontier CHOPPY?! I hear it's VERY choppy...even on a RB> 4000... I'm going to wait until the AGA version comes out. Nope. Not at all on a A3000. Actually it's pretty hard to target the enemy 'cause they sortof zoom by. I run on the highest detaillevel, and the only time things get choppy, is on planet surfaces. In space it's smooth as silk. But, geez, those dogfights are HARD! Either you can't get the enemy into your sights, and if you can, so can he... Anyway; Frontier is loads smoother than ie WingCommander, KillingCloud or Elite I... I can really recommend it. It's smooth, well behaved, and has DEPTH! RB> Ralph A.Barbagallo III_Only AMIGA Makes it RB> Possible!_nugget@genesis.nred.ma.us MVH: Mike Noreen InterNet: radharc@p14.anet.bbs.bad.se FidoNet: 2:201/411.14 --- Spot 1.2b Unreg. Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!news.eunet.fi!prime.mdata.fi!mits.mdata.fi!not-for-mail From: jarnis@mits.mdata.fi (Jarno Kokko) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Would like some Frontier tips. Date: 27 Oct 1993 05:04:35 +0200 Organization: Microdata International Telecomm Service, Helsinki, Finland Lines: 13 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2akog3$lc3@mits.mdata.fi> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: mits.mdata.fi >But, geez, those dogfights are HARD! Either you can't get the enemy into your >sights, and if you can, so can he... > Don't talk shit. There is no challenge what so ever in the space combat after you get a beam laser. period. And Frontier SEEMS to have depth but it fact it contains nothing. Play it for a week or two - you'll see that I'm right. I know - I've played it for about 25 hrs, last 5 hrs has been simply boooooring and I don't think I want to play it any more. - Jarnis Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!news.funet.fi!sauna.cs.hut.fi!news.cs.hut.fi!apm From: apm@kikka.hut.fi (Antti Miettinen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Would like some Frontier tips. Date: 27 Oct 93 16:09:50 Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland Lines: 7 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <2akog3$lc3@mits.mdata.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: kikka.hut.fi In-reply-to: jarnis@mits.mdata.fi's message of 27 Oct 1993 05:04:35 +0200 In article <2akog3$lc3@mits.mdata.fi> jarnis@mits.mdata.fi (Jarno Kokko) writes: >Don't talk shit. There is no challenge what so ever in the space >combat after you get a beam laser. period. If you really want challenge use Elite style control, pulse laser, weak ship etc.. no one is forcing you to upgrade your ship :-) Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!news.eunet.fi!prime.mdata.fi!mits.mdata.fi!not-for-mail From: jarnis@mits.mdata.fi (Jarno Kokko) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Would like some Frontier tips. Date: 27 Oct 1993 16:17:47 +0200 Organization: Microdata International Telecomm Service, Helsinki, Finland Lines: 16 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2alvub$t6u@mits.mdata.fi> References: <2akog3$lc3@mits.mdata.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: mits.mdata.fi In article , Antti Miettinen wrote: >In article <2akog3$lc3@mits.mdata.fi> jarnis@mits.mdata.fi (Jarno Kokko) writes: >>Don't talk shit. There is no challenge what so ever in the space >>combat after you get a beam laser. period. > >If you really want challenge use Elite style control, pulse laser, >weak ship etc.. no one is forcing you to upgrade your ship :-) > Hey I think the idea is to upgrade ships so you can kill larger baddies. Problem is thet there is virtually NIL 'baddies' out there, so you are either underpowered or overpowered. Again one could have avoided this with some proper playtesting. - Jarnis Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!seunet!seunet!piraya!overdose!Mike_Noreen From: Mike_Noreen@p14.anet.bbs.bad.se (Mike Noreen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Frontier has a very annoying copy protection... Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Oct 93 23:49:15 +0200 Sender: BadNet@piraya.bad.se Reply-To: Mike_Noreen@p14.anet.bbs.bad.se (Mike Noreen) Distribution: world Organization: De Profundis, Stockholm, Sweden OD-Comment-To: All Lines: 13 I'm getting pretty annoyed at the copy protection of Frontier... It's kindof tiring to have to look in the manual EVERY TIME I DOCK! I thought it was supposed to stop after I've answered it a couple of times, but no - it just keeps going. It seems it asks every time I dock after a SAVE/RESTORE. Guess I'll have to find a cracked copy. Other than this, it's a great game. The protection sucks, tho. As usual. MVH: Mike Noreen InterNet: radharc@p14.anet.bbs.bad.se FidoNet: 2:201/411.14 --- Spot 1.2b Unreg. Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!news.funet.fi!sauna.cs.hut.fi!news.cs.hut.fi!apm From: apm@kikka.hut.fi (Antti Miettinen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Frontier has a very annoying copy protection... Date: 27 Oct 93 16:10:54 Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland Lines: 5 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: kikka.hut.fi In-reply-to: Mike_Noreen@p14.anet.bbs.bad.se's message of Mon, 25 Oct 93 23:49:15 +0200 In article Mike_Noreen@p14.anet.bbs.bad.se (Mike Noreen) writes: >It seems it asks every time I dock after a SAVE/RESTORE. Every time after restore. Saving has no effect. Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!news.funet.fi!news.lut.fi!tsuikki From: tsuikki@mamba.cc.lut.fi (Teemu Suikki) Subject: Re: Frontier has a very annoying copy protection... Sender: news@lut.fi (Usenet News) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 18:31:26 GMT References: Nntp-Posting-Host: mamba.cc.lut.fi Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland Lines: 17 Mike_Noreen@p14.anet.bbs.bad.se (Mike Noreen) writes: >I'm getting pretty annoyed at the copy protection of Frontier... It's kindof >tiring to have to look in the manual EVERY TIME I DOCK! I thought it was Hmm.. You aren't answering correctly to the questions. The headlines are counted as lines as well.. >supposed to stop after I've answered it a couple of times, but no - it just Well, it doesn't stop, but it doubles the time between questions every time you answer correctly. If you answer incorrectly, the time is halved.. -- PROC main();DEF a,b,c;b:='** email: tsuikki@lut.fi **';Vprintf(a:='P'+ 'ROC main();DEF a,b,c;b:=%lc%s%lc;Vprintf(a:=%lcP%s%.69s%s%s%lc,%lc[c:'+ '=39,b,c,c,b:=[$%8lx,0],a+1,b,a+70,c,10,^b,10]);ENDPROC/*E .sig!*/%1lc', [c:=39,b,c,c,b:=[$272B0A27,0],a+1,b,a+70,c,10,^b,10]);ENDPROC/*E .sig!*/ Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!yeshua.marcam.com!tarpit!bilver!rjck!arb.oau.org!rutter From: rutter@arb.oau.org (Scott Rutter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Help for Frontier. Distribution: world Organization: The NET! Message-ID: Date: 26 Oct 93 09:29:59 EST Organization: BioLink Communications Lines: 44 Ok, you now own Frontier. And its huge, you have little idea of what to do and less idea how to get rich. Well read on. If you don't want any help with this game then skip this post. :) In the beginning. It is easiest to start at Ross 154, the autopilot makes life much simpler. Load up with animal meat and take the mission to Bernard's star. From there go to Sol carring robots. As your pulse laser is next to useless sell it and outfit your ship with two Naval missiles. As they are immune to ECM and can chase a target for over 300km they outperform your pitiful laser. Keep moving stuff back and forth between Sol and Bernard's Star for a while. When you can afford a Military 1 Drive get it, it takes up half as much space as the normal one, now you have to use military fuel. Be careful, when used it becomes radioactives, which are illegal in the Sol system. Get in the habit of dumping it after every jump and refuel. And since you are moving between two space stations you can sell your atmospheric shielding to give you extra space. From Sol carry Luxury Goods back to Bernard's star, and taking any missions going your way. Eventually you will have enough to upgrade your ship, a good step up would be the Viper, as it can carry missiles and has a decent cargo capacity. Fit it with a 1MW Beam Laser and you are now ready for some real combat. Dogfight Tactics. Learn to use your autopilot for aiming. Target your opponent, hitting escape and pausing the game makes this easier. Turn on your autopilot when your opponent is a ways away from your say at least 3km. Any closer and you risk a colision. Be careful, when you are lined up like this your opponent is also, so save the game before fights. A good way to get that 3km is to fire a missile at your opponent. The naval missiles I reccomend may be enough to kill your target, but given enough lead and speed they can be outrun. So when your opponent comes back in you should be facing him already, just leave the autopilot on and start firing at about 5-6km away. Bigger and slower opponents you can kill with manual aiming, but always keep at least 300 kph speed set, any slower and you become an easy target. You can aim much easier if you turn off your engines, but you will have a tendency to get rammed by opponents. So the lesson is, chase them off with a missile, if they live through that then laser them on the way back. Smuggling. You can make a lot of credits carrying contraband, but unless you are going to cheat and save the game right before you dock, say in the last 2km or so, and reload if you get fined, it won't be worth it. A word of advice though. Any system that has contraband for sale will have plenty of pirates in it. So be prepared for combat on the way to the port. You may want to carry extra fuel in case you run into too much opposition. He who fights and runs away, lives. The viper gives you 4 missiles and the beam laser, it should be enough though. And killing all those pirates is good for your Elite rating. Hope this helps someone. Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!nwnexus!turmoil From: turmoil@halcyon.com (Turmoil) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Fontier in the States: WHEN & WHERE! Date: 26 Oct 1993 12:39:17 -0700 Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. Lines: 25 Sender: news@nwfocus.wa.com Message-ID: <2ajud5$q50@nwfocus.wa.com> References: <94170@cup.portal.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: nwfocus.wa.com Mitch_-_Morgan@cup.portal.com writes: >Ok the hype has got me and I WANT frontier! Safe Harbor in the states told >me a Christmas time release but I hear others in the states talking about >how it is (pirated copies maybe, could be imported, who knows!). Anyway >does anyone know when/where it is/will-be availible? >I WANT I WANT I WANT I WANT I WANT I WANT I WANT I WANT I WANT!!!!!! >Ok, my tantrum is over :) > Mitch MOTORHEAD Morgan > C64 ELITE (Retired) Hell it's available all over the place. Just call your local BBS, they should have a copy. turmoil -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.ans.net!malgudi.oar.net!news.ysu.edu!psuvm!mbs110 Organization: The Comet Empire Center for Nonviolent Conflict Resolution Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 13:38:15 EDT From: Mark 'Mark' Sachs Message-ID: <93299.133815MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Fontier in the States: WHEN & WHERE! Distribution: world References: <94170@cup.portal.com> Lines: 17 In article <94170@cup.portal.com>, Mitch_-_Morgan@cup.portal.com says: >Ok the hype has got me and I WANT frontier! Safe Harbor in the states told >me a Christmas time release but I hear others in the states talking about >how it is (pirated copies maybe, could be imported, who knows!). Anyway >does anyone know when/where it is/will-be availible? >I WANT I WANT I WANT I WANT I WANT I WANT I WANT I WANT I WANT!!!!!! Sideline Software has it. Their telephone guy told me they have hundreds of back-orders for the game, but are only receiving it in limited quantities (20-50 per day.) I put in my order about a week and a half ago and haven't gotten it yet. :-( Waah, I want my Frontier... (snif) "You can't expect me to play a game with weird zoning laws, can you?" [Your blood pressure just went up.] Mark Sachs, aka mbs110@psuvm.psu.edu DISCLAIMER: Penn State cares about my money, not my opinions. Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!lynx.unm.edu!news.cs.indiana.edu!tpbbs!charon.bloomington.in.us!sgberg From: sgberg@charon.bloomington.in.us (Stefan G. Berg) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Fontier in the States: WHEN & WHERE! Message-ID: Date: 26 Oct 93 20:26:42 EST References: <94170@cup.portal.com> <93299.133815MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> Reply-To: sgberg@charon.bloomington.in.us (Stefan Berg) Distribution: world Organization: Not an Organization X-NewsSoftware: GRn 2.0e Oct 23, 1993 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 17 In article <93299.133815MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> Mark 'Mark' Sachs writes: > > Sideline Software has it. Their telephone guy told me they have hundreds > of back-orders for the game, but are only receiving it in limited quantities > (20-50 per day.) I put in my order about a week and a half ago and haven't > gotten it yet. :-( Waah, I want my Frontier... (snif) So what is their price on it? Stefan -- ,-------------------------------------------------------, |Usenet sgberg@charon.bloomington.in.us Stefan G. Berg| |Internet sgberg@ucs.indiana.edu MIME // AMIGA | |Bitnet sgberg@iubacs GE Mail s.berg5 \X/ w/ bms | `-------------------------------------------------------' Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!destroyer!gumby!wmu-coyote!22dussia From: 22dussia@sol.cs.wmich.edu (Demetri) Subject: Re: Fontier in the States: WHEN & WHERE! Message-ID: <1993Oct27.013712.1237@sol.cs.wmich.edu> Organization: Western Michigan Univ. Comp. Sci. Dept. References: <94170@cup.portal.com> <2ajud5$q50@nwfocus.wa.com> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 01:37:12 GMT Lines: 26 In article <2ajud5$q50@nwfocus.wa.com> turmoil@halcyon.com (Turmoil) writes: >Mitch_-_Morgan@cup.portal.com writes: > >>Ok the hype has got me and I WANT frontier! Safe Harbor in the states told >>me a Christmas time release but I hear others in the states talking about >>how it is (pirated copies maybe, could be imported, who knows!). Anyway >>does anyone know when/where it is/will-be availible? > >>I WANT I WANT I WANT I WANT I WANT I WANT I WANT I WANT I WANT!!!!!! >>Ok, my tantrum is over :) >> Mitch MOTORHEAD Morgan >> C64 ELITE (Retired) > > >Hell it's available all over the place. Just call your local BBS, they >should have a copy. > > turmoil AND THEN I HOPE YOU BUY THE GAME IF YOU ENJOY IT.... Amiga Software Producers-- Support then NOW, or you'll be buying another computer platform soon. Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!caen!batcomputer!munnari.oz.au!ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU!ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au!lugb!sheoak.ucnv.edu.au!redgum.ucnv.edu.au!i897515 Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Non-playable demo of Frontier released. Message-ID: <2aivbeINNqmp@sheoak.ucnv.edu.au> From: i897515@redgum.ucnv.edu.au (DERF) Date: 26 Oct 1993 10:49:18 GMT References: <2afbk9$mq8@st-james.comp.vuw.ac.nz> <1993Oct25.133358.6307@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> Distribution: inet Organization: University College of Northern Victoria (Bendigo) NNTP-Posting-Host: redgum.ucnv.edu.au Lines: 17 In article <1993Oct25.133358.6307@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> sacke@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Jeff Hanna) writes: >In article mattias@knase.update.uu.se (Mattias Myrberg) writes: >>In article <2afbk9$mq8@st-james.comp.vuw.ac.nz>, >>Francesco.Ballara@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Francesco Ballara) wrote: > >Well, I do believe it is available on ANY Aminet site in the game/demo >directory. > >To answer the original poster's question--set the stack HIGH (like 60000 or >more) and it shall work. I can run the demo successfully on my A1200 w/ >A1230XA 50Mhz 68030 Works on my A4000/040/14 Mb ram Craig Arnoldt > Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!bradford.ac.uk!M.W.Johnson From: M.W.Johnson@bradford.ac.uk (Mark Johnson) Subject: Unnamed systems in Frontier Message-ID: <1993Oct26.145959.18083@bradford.ac.uk> Lines: 31 Organization: University of Bradford, UK Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 14:59:59 GMT I beleive that most of the systems in Frontier have no names. (Especially those that are on the other side of the galaxy). If so this would provide an interesting mission. Pilots could explore and be given the right to name these systems. I propose the following: Someone could set up a mailing list containing th names of new systems, and the date of their discovery. This would be posted to the Internet periodically. Problems I've already thought of: a. Should the date be that of now, or the program date? I am quite willing to be the moderator for this list (It would look good on my CV :-) ) But hopefully this article should provoke an interesting debate. I look forward to hearing from you. It would be better if people posted their articles rather than email. -- | Mark Johnson | | | Comp Sci Final Yr | Those that say size doesn't matter, | | Bradford University| haven't got twelve inches. | | UK | | Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!pipex!uknet!brunel!ccws-33.brunel.ac.uk!cs92aar From: cs92aar@brunel.ac.uk (Andrew Robertson) Subject: Re: ENOUGH. LET'S DO IT NOW. (Frontier) Message-ID: Sender: news@brunel.ac.uk (News supervisor) Nntp-Posting-Host: ccws-33.brunel.ac.uk Reply-To: cs92aar@brunel.ac.uk Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. References: Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 15:10:43 GMT Lines: 3 good idea for the frontier newsgroup Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!pcl!lykec From: lykec@westminster.ac.uk Subject: Re: ENOUGH. LET'S DO IT NOW. (Frontier) Message-ID: Organization: University of Westminster References: Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 12:17:12 GMT Lines: 17 In article vdrongelen@NICI.kun.nl (Albert van Drongelen) writes: >In article , >shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) wrote: >> >> >> Ok, folks. I say we make a comp.sys.amiga.games.frontier. All in >> favor, say AYE! > >And have all the PC folks who can't play Frontier (yet) drool all over our >newsgroup? nah... > >> -- But those PC owners will have a 256 col version with texture mapping and a really good intro and have sampled speech......Still it probably takes 20 megs of HD space!!!! If there is an AGA version wont it be very slow on the 1200 with only 2megs of chip RAM????? Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!pipex!uknet!reading!hardy!ssurpeat From: ssurpeat@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk (Richard T. Peat) Subject: Re: ENOUGH. LET'S DO IT NOW. (Frontier) Message-ID: Sender: news@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: hardy Reply-To: ssurpeat@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., University of Reading References: Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 13:33:10 GMT Lines: 2 Aye! Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!haven.umd.edu!cville-srv.wam.umd.edu!davereed From: davereed@wam.umd.edu (Michael Robert Bromery) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: ENOUGH. LET'S DO IT NOW. (Frontier) Date: 27 Oct 1993 15:54:09 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 28 Message-ID: <2am5j1$rid@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: rac4.wam.umd.edu >>> -- > But those PC owners will have a 256 col version with texture mapping >and a really good intro and have sampled speech......Still it probably takes 20 >megs of HD space!!!! > If there is an AGA version wont it be very slow on the 1200 with only >2megs of chip RAM????? Nope. Optimizing for 68020+ 32-bit machines makes a really HUGE difference. One thing comes to mind when I say that. Tmapdemo - by Chris Green. There are others, but there are two things you can cancel out here. 1. Calculations per cycle are done faster with bigger words and optimizations so you get your needed punch for 3D. 2. AGA machines wouldn't really be hindered much by using 256-color screens as ECS with 32. This is especially true if they used 128-color screens with 7 bitplanes. When people want even more speed, they use the 128-color option. Not surehow much difference it makes, but any addition of speed without the ability to see the difference between 7 or 8 bitplanes in an application, goes in the right direction. So there you have it. Just like Anim-5 -> Anim-7, the use of 32-bit and not 16-bit optimized code makes a heap of difference. It's a good thought that no AGA machine has a 16-bit architecture. -- Mike Bromery. - President of UMAUG (The University of Maryland Amiga Users Group.) Email: davereed@wam.umd.edu . Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!xlink.net!math.fu-berlin.de!uni-paderborn.de!urmel.informatik.rwth-aachen.de!kaa!feinen From: feinen@kaa.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Stephan Feinen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: ENOUGH. LET'S DO IT NOW. (Frontier) Date: 27 Oct 1993 16:44:22 GMT Organization: Rechnerbetrieb Informatik - RWTH Aachen Lines: 25 Message-ID: <2am8h6$pjc@urmel.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: kaa.informatik.rwth-aachen.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit lykec@westminster.ac.uk writes: > But those PC owners will have a 256 col version with texture mapping >and a really good intro and have sampled speech......Still it probably takes 20 >megs of HD space!!!! > If there is an AGA version wont it be very slow on the 1200 with only >2megs of chip RAM????? The PC-version of frontier is SHORTER than the amiga version! It has many overlay files but the total amount of used bytes is smaller than on the amiga. On a 386-40 you have smooth movement ONLY if you switch off texture mapping! The sound is WORSE than the amiga sound! There might be hope for owners of a Roland-soundboard which is supported. And the Amiga-version is cheaper :-) Live long and prosper stephan -- Stephan Feinen, 52076 Aachen-Ofb., Im Steinfeld 1 /// Internet: feinen@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de /// Bitnet: iz010fe@dacth11.bitnet \\\ /// "Mit MagieFix was tolles zaubern!" \\\ /// Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!uts!imada!breese From: breese@imada.ou.dk (Bjorn Reese) Subject: Re: Frontier AGA! Message-ID: <1993Oct26.151327.12974@imada.ou.dk> Sender: news@imada.ou.dk (USENET News System) Nntp-Posting-Host: wagner Organization: Dept. of Math. & Computer Science, Odense University, Denmark References: <2a8pna$n9f@mtu.edu> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 15:13:27 GMT Lines: 25 farren@netcom.com (Mike Farren) writes: >So, when you have four or fewer planes (two or fewer in HiRes), the CPU >has free access to CHIP RAM. As soon as you add the fifth plane (or the >third, in HiRes), the CPU is locked out *completely* during video access, >which means all the time except during the horizontal and vertical >blank periods. This results in a *massive* slowdown if the CPU is operating >out of CHIP RAM. It isn't 50%, it's *much* more than that. And that >is the reason that any game which is CPU-intensive will not operate well >if it has 32 colors - unless, of course, you have FAST RAM and the If I remember the DMA allocation table correctly (don't have a copy handy) you'll loose one out of four slots with a fifth bitplane, so in 32 colours the CPU slowdown is about 25% (I think the actual percentage is 18, when you consider the horizontal and vertical blanks.) There is a trade-off when using five bitplanes, but it's definately not 50% or more. -- +-------------------------------+--------------------------------------+ | Bjorn Reese | Email: breese@imada.ou.dk | | Dexion Design | (breese@bohr.ot.dk) | | Certified Developers | Odense University, Denmark | +-------------------------------+--------------------------------------+ "It's getting late in the game to show any pride or shame" - Marillion Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!xlink.net!subnet.sub.net!nadia!amylnd!ibase!addx.stgt.sub.org!karsten Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games X-NewsReader: IntuiNews 1.1 (16.09.93) References: <29vecq$emn@diemen.utas.edu.au> From: "Karsten Weiss" Reply-To: Karsten Weiss MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Date: Tue, 26 Oct 93 21:04:20 Subject: Re: Frontier AGA! Message-ID: <89279563@addx.stgt.sub.org> Lines: 54 T Nettleship wrote about Re: Frontier AGA!: TN> Interphase and the Vector Grafix games were indeed using circles / TN> ellipses years ago, but the stuff which David Braben has put into TN> Frontier is very different. TN> TN> The circles / ellipses allowed them to do things like spheres and TN> cylinders, etc. The ships in Frontier have curved sections which TN> cannot be modelled easily in this way (IMNSHO). Do you know how the circles and ellipses are modelled in Interphase? I'm working on a vector engine at the moment where I really would like to include circles and ellipses. (BTW: Does anybody have the e-mail address of Adrian Stevens (the author of Interphase)) TN> Watch the demo (again!) and look out for a few things: the curved front TN> of the main ship, the curved letters on the runway, the edges of the clouds TN> and mountains, and especially the 'milky way' background objects in TN> space. TN> All of these would be difficult to do with circles and ellipses, and TN> incredibly slow using lots of straight lines. I look close at these objects and came to the conclusion that they are drawn using lines. I don't think that this is 'incredibly slow' if you use a processor drawline which may is more efficient at small lines. TN> The only things I can think of that he could be using are Bezier curves, TN> B-splines or maybe curves made piecewise from circular arcs. However he Bezier cueves and B-splines need many multiplications for EVERY single pixel. I really don't think that David Braben used this. But MAYBE he used them to calculate every 10th pixel and draw a line between. TN> does it, it is very impressive that it is so fast! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Are you joking? On a normal A2000 with fastram you get only 3 frames per second on the default detail level. On a accelarated machine the speed is okay - but NOT fast. TN> Regards, TN> TN> Tom Nettleship (mastn@bath.ac.uk) So long, Karsten +--------------------------------------+----------------------+ | UUCP: karsten@addx.stgt.sub.org | 'Life Is Ours, | | FIDO: 2:2407/106.10 (Karsten Weiss) | We Live It Our Way' | | Voice: +49-(0)7192-8444 | (Metallica) | +--------------------------------------+----------------------+ Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!pipex!dircon!hosta.dircon.co.uk!hosta!amiga From: amiga@hosta.dircon.co.uk (Dino Dini) Subject: Re: Frontier AGA! Message-ID: Organization: Dini & Dini Productions References: <2a8pna$n9f@mtu.edu> <1993Oct26.151327.12974@imada.ou.dk> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 18:58:19 GMT Lines: 28 In <1993Oct26.151327.12974@imada.ou.dk> breese@imada.ou.dk (Bjorn Reese) writes: >farren@netcom.com (Mike Farren) writes: >>So, when you have four or fewer planes (two or fewer in HiRes), the CPU >>has free access to CHIP RAM. As soon as you add the fifth plane (or the >>third, in HiRes), the CPU is locked out *completely* during video access, >>which means all the time except during the horizontal and vertical >>blank periods. This results in a *massive* slowdown if the CPU is operating >>out of CHIP RAM. It isn't 50%, it's *much* more than that. And that >>is the reason that any game which is CPU-intensive will not operate well >>if it has 32 colors - unless, of course, you have FAST RAM and the >If I remember the DMA allocation table correctly (don't have a copy >handy) you'll loose one out of four slots with a fifth bitplane, so >in 32 colours the CPU slowdown is about 25% (I think the actual percentage >is 18, when you consider the horizontal and vertical blanks.) There >is a trade-off when using five bitplanes, but it's definately not 50% >or more. I can confirm this. 6 bit planes means 50% processor speed, 5 means 75% and 4 or less 100%. If it were true that 6 planes meant 0% CPU speed, Kick Off, Kick Off 2 and GOAL! would never have run in a frame on a 68000. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dino Dini Dini & Dini Productions amiga@hosta.dircon.co.uk "The opinions expressed here *are* those of the company... we are the company." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!uts!imada!breese From: breese@imada.ou.dk (Bjorn Reese) Subject: Re: Frontier demo is _CRAP_ Message-ID: <1993Oct26.152047.13141@imada.ou.dk> Keywords: frontier, crap Sender: news@imada.ou.dk (USENET News System) Nntp-Posting-Host: wagner Organization: Dept. of Math. & Computer Science, Odense University, Denmark References: <1993Oct24.163319.26386@ifi.uio.no> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 15:20:47 GMT Lines: 13 perod@ifi.uio.no (Per Christian Ødegård) writes: >I think mr. Braben knows more about coding than most of us mere mortals. Even more than us mere immortals :-) -- +-------------------------------+--------------------------------------+ | Bjorn Reese | Email: breese@imada.ou.dk | | Dexion Design | (breese@bohr.ot.dk) | | Certified Developers | Odense University, Denmark | +-------------------------------+--------------------------------------+ "It's getting late in the game to show any pride or shame" - Marillion Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!munnari.oz.au!ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU!werple.apana.org.au!bushwire.apana.org.au!guru!Steve_Cutting From: Steve_Cutting@guru.apana.org.au (Steve Cutting) Subject: Re: Frontier demo is _CRAP_ Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games References: Distribution: inet X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Message-ID: Date: 26 Oct 93 20:08:45 +1000 Organization: Guru Meditation BBS Lines: 53 Jason Kempnich (jkempnic@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au) wrote: : A.D.Brown@bradford.ac.uk (Alistair Brown) writes: : >I'm a PC user (just nipping onto this group to read about frontier :). I would : >say that no harm has been done by creating games that required more than the : >base machine, as long as the increase has been reasonable. I don't have a : >clue what levels of amiga machines are out there, but if you want the amiga : >to progress in power, then more programs need to require higher specs. than : >A500's. : Oh, how true those words are! I'd have to say that one of the Amiga's : biggest problems (if not *the* biggest) is that all games cater for the : lowest common denominator. It's like PC game writers writing *all* games : to work on an XT and if it works on the better machines, then thats a bonus. : I'm dying to see a 4000 specific game (although I doubt there will *ever* : be one, even in PD, as there isn't a market for it). Look out for Inferno and TFX (both AGA only). Also I believe there is a STRONG possibility of Frontier AGA !!!!!. : Some life will return to the Amiga scene if games designers forget about: : 1) Non-AGA machines. : 2) Non-Hard disk machines. Right on. By forgetting about pre-AGA machines, programmers can make the jump to 020+ code to really make use of the faster CPUs. At the moment we just get 68000 games that run a bit smoother on quick Amigas, but not as smooth as an 020+ version would. This is of course only talking about maths-intensive 3D sort of games. There's still plenty of scope for great arcade games on slower, pre-AGA Amigas. But like you say, I think the time has come for games designers to just accept that these machines can't cut it in today's 3D, texture- mapped world. Once this happens, owners of newer/faster Amigas will be able to see what THEIR machine is capable of, rather than just see it emulating a 7 year old one. : Of course, this will never happen, and I fear we will be playing Amiga 500 : compatible games until the day the Amiga is no longer here. Perhaps this : will be the very reason the Amiga will/is die/dying out. There is hope !!! Now that CD32 is out, we have a truly mass-market 68020/AGA/2MB/CDROM machine. Software houses will hopefully write titles for it that take advantage of faster CPUs, because once the addon is available for the 1200/4000 there will be users with 020, 030 and 040. I think things are looking up :) Steve. Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!trane.uninett.no!humpty.edb.tih.no!larsg From: larsg@edb.tih.no (Lars Garden) Subject: Re: Frontier demo is _CRAP_ Message-ID: Sender: newsadm@edb.tih.no (News Adm humpty) Nntp-Posting-Host: epsilon.edb.tih.no Organization: Trondheim College of Engineering References: Distribution: inet Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 11:39:05 GMT Lines: 45 In article , Steve_Cutting@guru.apana.org.au (Steve Cutting) writes: |> : Some life will return to the Amiga scene if games designers forget about: |> : 1) Non-AGA machines. |> : 2) Non-Hard disk machines. I couldn't agree more.. |> Right on. By forgetting about pre-AGA machines, programmers can make |> the jump to 020+ code to really make use of the faster CPUs. At |> the moment we just get 68000 games that run a bit smoother on quick |> Amigas, but not as smooth as an 020+ version would. I've tried Frontier, and I would pay some serious cash to get an AGA-version of that game. Whow.. It is GREAT, man!! And what about a CD^32-version with lots of animations and music?? |> This is of course only talking about maths-intensive 3D sort of games. |> There's still plenty of scope for great arcade games on slower, pre-AGA |> Amigas. But like you say, I think the time has come for games designers |> to just accept that these machines can't cut it in today's 3D, texture- |> mapped world. Once this happens, owners of newer/faster Amigas will |> be able to see what THEIR machine is capable of, rather than just see |> it emulating a 7 year old one. |> |> : Of course, this will never happen, and I fear we will be playing Amiga 500 |> : compatible games until the day the Amiga is no longer here. Perhaps this |> : will be the very reason the Amiga will/is die/dying out. |> |> There is hope !!! Now that CD32 is out, we have a truly mass-market |> 68020/AGA/2MB/CDROM machine. Software houses will hopefully write |> titles for it that take advantage of faster CPUs, because once the |> addon is available for the 1200/4000 there will be users with |> 020, 030 and 040. I am praying that the CD^32 becomes the 'ultimate game-machine', like C64 and A500 were some years ago. Then we could see some really good games using AGA/020+.. If I hadn't been a poor student, I'd buy a CD^32 right away.. |> I think things are looking up :) So do I.. And if CBM could finish AAA and RTG soon, I really think that Amiga is going to exist for many decades to come.. :-)) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!uts!imada!breese From: breese@imada.ou.dk (Bjorn Reese) Subject: Re: Frontier MULTITASKS! Message-ID: <1993Oct26.153013.13301@imada.ou.dk> Sender: news@imada.ou.dk (USENET News System) Nntp-Posting-Host: wagner Organization: Dept. of Math. & Computer Science, Odense University, Denmark References: <2aj5k2INNbul@sbusol.rz.uni-sb.de> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 15:30:13 GMT Lines: 16 winter@aquarius.cs.uni-sb.de (Stefan Winterstein) writes: >I don't see any reason why the program doesn't use a proper screen. Also, He probably uses views for double-buffering (but then he could have put in a pause mode which switched back to WB; and an exit option...) instead of screen double-buffering (which is much more time consuming on 1.x and 2.x) -- +-------------------------------+--------------------------------------+ | Bjorn Reese | Email: breese@imada.ou.dk | | Dexion Design | (breese@bohr.ot.dk) | | Certified Developers | Odense University, Denmark | +-------------------------------+--------------------------------------+ "It's getting late in the game to show any pride or shame" - Marillion Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!corax.udac.uu.se!mac-1.csd.uu.se!user From: mattias@krille.update.uu.se (Mattias Myrberg) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Frontier MULTITASKS! Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.games Date: 26 Oct 1993 20:38:19 GMT Organization: Uppsala University Lines: 15 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <2aj5k2INNbul@sbusol.rz.uni-sb.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: mac-1.csd.uu.se In article <2aj5k2INNbul@sbusol.rz.uni-sb.de>, winter@aquarius.cs.uni-sb.de (Stefan Winterstein) wrote: > I don't see any reason why the program doesn't use a proper screen. Also, > it would be nice if one could leave the game without rebooting. If it multitasks what's the purpose of forcing the user to reset his machine? Is Braben afraid someone might try to rip sound/gfx data? Some people here like to claim he's some sort of immortal, yet this great almighty programmer won't provide a proper way to exit the game. Lame! Mattias Nntp-Posting-Host: solva.ifi.uio.no Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!trane.uninett.no!nntp.uio.no!ifi.uio.no!larshaug From: larshaug@ifi.uio.no (Lars Haugseth) Subject: Re: Frontier MULTITASKS! Message-ID: <1993Oct26.212329.13178@ifi.uio.no> Sender: larshaug@ifi.uio.no (Lars Haugseth) Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway References: <2aj5k2INNbul@sbusol.rz.uni-sb.de> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 21:23:29 GMT Lines: 27 Originator: larshaug@solva.ifi.uio.no In article , mattias@krille.update.uu.se (Mattias Myrberg) writes: > In article <2aj5k2INNbul@sbusol.rz.uni-sb.de>, winter@aquarius.cs.uni-sb.de > (Stefan Winterstein) wrote: > > > I don't see any reason why the program doesn't use a proper screen. Also, > > it would be nice if one could leave the game without rebooting. > > If it multitasks what's the purpose of forcing the user to reset his > machine? Is Braben afraid someone might try to rip sound/gfx data? Rip *those* sounds? Probably not... > Some people here like to claim he's some sort of immortal, yet this > great almighty programmer won't provide a proper way to exit the game. Well, when I've decided it's time to quit today's (read: tonight's) game, it's time for for bed anyway, so I just switch the whole damn thing off. I can see your point though, it would have been an easy task to make an exit option. +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Lars Haugseth +-+ | Dept. of Informatics, Like private-parts to the Gods are we -| | | Univ. of Oslo, Norway they play with us for their sport. BA| | +-+--------------------------------------------------------------+ | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!trane.uninett.no!news.eunet.no!nuug!news.eunet.fi!prime.mdata.fi!mits.mdata.fi!not-for-mail From: jarnis@mits.mdata.fi (Jarno Kokko) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Frontier MULTITASKS! Date: 27 Oct 1993 00:32:01 +0200 Organization: Microdata International Telecomm Service, Helsinki, Finland Lines: 49 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2ak8h1$jas@mits.mdata.fi> References: <2aj5k2INNbul@sbusol.rz.uni-sb.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: mits.mdata.fi X-ORIGINAL-NEWSGROUPS: comp.sys.amiga.games >If it multitasks what's the purpose of forcing the user to reset his >machine? Is Braben afraid someone might try to rip sound/gfx data? > >Some people here like to claim he's some sort of immortal, yet this >great almighty programmer won't provide a proper way to exit the game. > >Lame! Simple. The game was originally meant to be at least so system friendly it could be exited, BUT in the rush that is smelling from every corner of the game, I belive that several bugs were left in that would have caused funny effects after exit, so because of the pressure of the deadline for release, Braben just made one jump command to the start of the game in case player pushes exit. (Why else it would have been called 'exit' if it would not exit the game.) I know one guy who has been looking in the code and he said that Frontier does multitask, but it does some nasty things it should not do so exiting would probably result in very unstable machine. He also said that exitable version would be just a few days work max with the source code handy. I don't know for sure but he might do a hack himself to make Frontier exitable and possibly smootly multitasking. It will anyway be a hard job, but... OH WHY DID THEY RELEASE SUCH A PIECE OF BUGS! Few weeks worth of beta-testing/bugfixing would have meant lot. End users should not be the beta testers. Info just heard from elsewhere: When the Frontier was released in Germany, it was V1.01. This means that they are doing something. Bad thing is that the V1.01 has some ADDITIONAL bugs in it, dunno about what they've fixed in it. At least it's larger than the V1.0. I have not seen this version, so all this is 2nd hand info. MAIL A LETTER TO GAMETEK TODAY, DEMAND A BUG-FREE FRONTIER. (And an AGA version if you have too new machine:-) (I'm mailing my letter in a day or two, making the bug-list wasn't hard, but I want to include a ton of suggestions to improve the game. Few tiny ones only needing a few byte tweak and separately few large ones which are just daydreaming...) - Jarnis Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!thunder!flash!halightw From: halightw@flash.LakeheadU.Ca (Hal A. Lightwood) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Waiting for FRONTIER II Message-ID: Date: 26 Oct 1993 16:06:23 GMT Sender: news@thunder.LakeheadU.Ca Distribution: comp Lines: 8 After hearing about all the bugs and problems in Frontier I have somehow been convinced to wait for the next release, hopefully with these bugs fixed. It sounds like this game that I have waited almost a decade for, was sloppily put together. I bet if FIREBIRD had put it out, there wouldn't have been so many problems. What I really want to know is if these bugs seriously effect the playability of the game, or are they just annoying extras features? Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!news.funet.fi!news.cs.tut.fi!news.cs.tut.fi!bitti From: bitti@korppi.cs.tut.fi (Matti Rintala) Subject: Re: Waiting for FRONTIER II In-Reply-To: halightw@flash.LakeheadU.Ca's message of 26 Oct 1993 16: 06:23 GMT Message-ID: Sender: usenet@news.cs.tut.fi (#Kotilo NEWS system ) Nntp-Posting-Host: cs.tut.fi Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Finland References: Distribution: comp Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 09:11:38 GMT Lines: 25 >>>>> " " == Hal A Lightwood writes: > After hearing about all the bugs and problems in Frontier I > have somehow been convinced to wait for the next release, ... > many problems. What I really want to know is if these bugs > seriously effect the playability of the game, or are they just > annoying extras features? Well, in my opinion, they are just annoying extra features. The playability and the atmosphere are great! If I were you, I'd buy the current version of Frontier, because GameTek has said that the future versions depend on the success of this one. So unless people buy Frontier, there will not be Frontier AGA, Frontier II or anything. If I remember correctly the article posted here a few days ago, Braben has said that he wants to develop Frontier further, i.e. there will propably be new versions. And GameTek has said that they will provide an upgrade path for people with older Frontiers. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matti Rintala bitti@cs.tut.fi ******************************************************************************* "Time is a drug. Too much of it kills you."(from Small Gods by Terry Pratchett) Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!paladin.american.edu!afterlife!cs.umd.edu!nocusuhs!hq.af.mil!safmon1!aedwards From: aedwards@safmon1.hq.af.mil (SrA Aaron J. Edwards) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Frontier Ship Names??? Date: 26 Oct 1993 16:20:45 GMT Organization: SAF/AAIIE Lines: 24 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2ajiot$gdq@hq.hq.af.mil> Reply-To: aedwards@saf2.hq.af.mil NNTP-Posting-Host: safmon1.hq.af.mil Are all the ships in Frontier still named after Snakes? Just wondering. Aaron -- ******************************************************************************* * * * * SrA Aaron J. Edwards * Inside every small * * Reply to: aedwards@saf2.hq.af.mil (134.205.1.222) * problem is a large one * * * struggling to get out! * * XXXXXXXXX Only AMIGA Makes it Possible! XXXXXXXXXX * * ******************************************************************************* **My little boys(cats)************************************ *Blu: DS, B, G+Y, .5, Y++, L-, C+, I+++, T++, A++, E+ * *Tiger: DS, W+Bt, Y+G, .6, Y++, L-, C+, I+++, T+, A, E++ * ********************************************************** # #include std.disclaimer # Xref: swi.psy.uva.nl alt.config:18203 comp.sys.amiga.games:38417 Newsgroups: alt.config,comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!news.funet.fi!aton.abo.fi!bilbo.abo.fi!agranhol From: agranhol@bilbo.abo.fi (Alexander Granholm) Subject: Discussion: alt.games.frontier Message-ID: <1993Oct26.170828.24372@abo.fi> Followup-To: alt.config Sender: usenet@abo.fi (Usenet NEWS) Organization: Abo Akademi University, Vasa, Finland Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 17:08:28 GMT Lines: 15 Seems like there would be a need for some group like this, considering the owerwhelming amount of traffic the game has generated in comp.sys.amiga.games, and most probably will generate in the comp.sys.ibm.pc.* groups once the PC-version is released released. Note: I will not create the group, I'm just checking up on the general interest of such a group. If anyone creates it, good. If anyone doesn't, fine. I'm just starting the discussion. Followups directed to alt.config. Alexander Granholm (agranhol@bilbo.abo.fi) / ------------------------- Institution of Societal Sciences / ...and then some. Abo Akademi University, Vasa, Finland. / --Bruce Willis ----------------------------------------/ Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!pipex!uunet!netnews!bandy From: bandy@netnews.jhuapl.edu (Mike Bandy) Subject: Re: Discussion: alt.games.frontier Message-ID: Organization: JHU/Applied Physics Laboratory References: <1993Oct26.170828.24372@abo.fi> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 15:43:12 GMT Lines: 23 agranhol@bilbo.abo.fi (Alexander Granholm) writes: >Seems like there would be a need for some group like this, considering >the owerwhelming amount of traffic the game has generated in >comp.sys.amiga.games, and most probably will generate in the >comp.sys.ibm.pc.* groups once the PC-version is released released. >Note: I will not create the group, I'm just checking up on the general >interest of such a group. If anyone creates it, good. If anyone doesn't, fine. >I'm just starting the discussion. Come on -- Frontier is just a flash in the pan. 6 months ago there was talk of a Civilization group, 6 months from now there will be something else. If there was a group founded for every popular game we'd have a hundred subgroups, none of them with any resonable amount of usage. If you want to break it up, look at what comp.sys.pc.games has done and make generalized subgroups - rpg, action, stategy, etc. -- Mike Bandy bandy@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu Johns Hopkins University / Applied Physics Laboratory Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!sci.kun.nl!vdrongelen.psych.kun.nl!user From: vdrongelen@NICI.kun.nl (Albert van Drongelen) Subject: Re: Discussion: alt.games.frontier Message-ID: Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.games Sender: news@sci.kun.nl (News owner) Nntp-Posting-Host: vdrongelen.psych.kun.nl Organization: NICI Nijmegen References: <1993Oct26.170828.24372@abo.fi> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 17:38:24 GMT In article , bandy@netnews.jhuapl.edu (Mike Bandy) wrote: > > agranhol@bilbo.abo.fi (Alexander Granholm) writes: > > >Seems like there would be a need for some group like this, considering > >the owerwhelming amount of traffic the game has generated in > >comp.sys.amiga.games, and most probably will generate in the > >comp.sys.ibm.pc.* groups once the PC-version is released released. > > >Note: I will not create the group, I'm just checking up on the general > >interest of such a group. If anyone creates it, good. If anyone doesn't, fine. > >I'm just starting the discussion. > > Come on -- Frontier is just a flash in the pan. 6 months ago there > was talk of a Civilization group, 6 months from now there will be > something else. If there was a group founded for every popular > game we'd have a hundred subgroups, none of them with any resonable > amount of usage. > > If you want to break it up, look at what comp.sys.pc.games has done > and make generalized subgroups - rpg, action, stategy, etc. > > -- > Mike Bandy bandy@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu > Johns Hopkins University / Applied Physics Laboratory Totally agreed. Furthermore, in order to start a newsgroup you have to convince the people at the top why discussion is not suitable in any of the other groups. Since this is comp.sys.amiga.games and Frontier happens to be a game for the amiga, you probably have a hard time convincing them that the new Frontier.group really adds to the repertoire of newsgroups already available. Beside, I like the frontier posts just where they are (o.k., actually this was my *first* argument :-) ) Albert van Drongelen vdrongelen@nici.kun.nl -------------------------------------------------------------- Fit Remove Tonnage Disclaimer 100000 CS 88000 CS 60t -------------------------------------------------------------- Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!seunet!seunet!augs!krynn!morgan From: morgan@krynn.augs.se (Morgan Ericsson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: FRONTIER (MORE BUGS (*smaller ones*)) Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <2ag2n9$jqn@mits.mdata.fi> <93298.123006MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> <2ah5le$rns@mits.mdata.fi> X-NewsSoftware: GRn 2.0 (16.8.93) by Michael B. Smith & Mike Schwartz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: 26 Oct 93 19:18:25 CET Organization: No organization Lines: 37 In article <2ah5le$rns@mits.mdata.fi> jarnis@mits.mdata.fi (Jarno Kokko) writes: > Methinks the coder didn't think about the possibility and the > beta testing was worse than none. (You know the bulletin board bug? > I can't understand how something like that has gone thru beta > testers undetected) Yeah, the bulletin board thing happens very often! If it wasn't frontier, I would even bother with it, with all those bugs =( It sure makes me sad! > - Jarnis > > [Imperial Transporter, 3.8M cash, Competent/Private/Squire, 20MW Beam > Laser, 5 Shield Generators, Scanner/CargoLifeSupport/CoolingBooster/ > RadarMapper/CloudScanner/NavalECM/etc/etc... No ship is match > for me any more] Sure about that? I don't think you'd want to run into my Imperial Transport! I have a 100MW beam laser. Kills most other ships with 1 hit! I also have ~8 Shield generators! Who wants to trade, when you could kill innocent tradeships, and steal their cargo? -- Morgan Ericsson, CS/CE student at VAXJO UNIVERSITY (A1200HD/A3000) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "Death is that state in which one exists only in the memory of others', which is why it is not an end. No goodbyes, just good memories." ------InterNet-------------FIDO--------Phone----------InterNet--------- morgan@krynn.augs.se | 2:204/404 | 0470-39898 | merdil92@hvdc.hv.se ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Average/Private/Outsider - Imperial Trader with lots of fun stuff! Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!seunet!seunet!augs!krynn!morgan From: morgan@krynn.augs.se (Morgan Ericsson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: FRONTIER - !MAJOR! bug/feature, REALLY needs correcting! Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <2ag0qn$jl8@mits.mdata.fi> <2ah5al$rk9@mits.mdata.fi> X-NewsSoftware: GRn 2.0 (16.8.93) by Michael B. Smith & Mike Schwartz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: 26 Oct 93 19:20:03 CET Organization: No organization Lines: 21 In article <2ah5al$rk9@mits.mdata.fi> jarnis@mits.mdata.fi (Jarno Kokko) writes: > > But didn't you get the idea? with the bug I described earlier, you can > go from one side of the galaxy to another in notime at all, and with > neglible (few tons) fuel consumption. A bug or what? Well, we could always pretend that the ship enters a wormhole =) > - Jarnis -- Morgan Ericsson, CS/CE student at VAXJO UNIVERSITY (A1200HD/A3000) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "Death is that state in which one exists only in the memory of others', which is why it is not an end. No goodbyes, just good memories." ------InterNet-------------FIDO--------Phone----------InterNet--------- morgan@krynn.augs.se | 2:204/404 | 0470-39898 | merdil92@hvdc.hv.se ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Average/Private/Outsider - Imperial Trader with lots of fun stuff! Nntp-Posting-Host: solva.ifi.uio.no Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!trane.uninett.no!nntp.uio.no!ifi.uio.no!larshaug From: larshaug@ifi.uio.no (Lars Haugseth) Subject: Re: Solution to autopilot-crash in Frontier Message-ID: <1993Oct26.210804.12829@ifi.uio.no> Sender: larshaug@ifi.uio.no (Lars Haugseth) Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway References: Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 21:08:04 GMT Lines: 22 Originator: larshaug@solva.ifi.uio.no In article , vdrongelen@NICI.kun.nl (Albert van Drongelen) writes: > Hi all. > > There were several posts concerning autopilot docking, which sooner or > later would result in a crash. Happened to me yesterday on several > occasions, but only when I had changed the view while docking. I think you > should be in front view, i.e. not behind the ship, or watching its back. As > far as I could see, game speed had nothing to do with it, you can change > the speed during auto-docking with no problems. Hmm, I must check this out. Maybe he has used the view-vector instead of the speed-vector in one of the calculations. Why haven't the beta-testers discovered this (And most of the other bugs)??? +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Lars Haugseth +-+ | Dept. of Informatics, Like private-parts to the Gods are we -| | | Univ. of Oslo, Norway they play with us for their sport. BA| | +-+--------------------------------------------------------------+ | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!news.eunet.fi!prime.mdata.fi!mits.mdata.fi!not-for-mail From: jarnis@mits.mdata.fi (Jarno Kokko) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Solution to autopilot-crash in Frontier Date: 27 Oct 1993 00:57:11 +0200 Organization: Microdata International Telecomm Service, Helsinki, Finland Lines: 102 Message-ID: <2aka07$jib@mits.mdata.fi> References: <1993Oct26.210804.12829@ifi.uio.no> NNTP-Posting-Host: mits.mdata.fi >> There were several posts concerning autopilot docking, which sooner or >> later would result in a crash. Happened to me yesterday on several >> occasions, but only when I had changed the view while docking. I think you >> should be in front view, i.e. not behind the ship, or watching its back. As >> far as I could see, game speed had nothing to do with it, you can change >> the speed during auto-docking with no problems. > >Hmm, I must check this out. Maybe he has used the view-vector >instead of the speed-vector in one of the calculations. Why >haven't the beta-testers discovered this (And most of the >other bugs)??? Cant you already see it? Frontier has not been beta-tested. How else that stack size shit, bulletin board bugs and few other very obivious mistakes would have been in the release version? (belive or not, ran from original disks it doesn't run on some machines, but when you manually set the stack to 100000 it works fine.) Also the manual and the game differ very very much when we are talking about ship stats. Funniest thing is the Panther clipper: TOTAL MASS (fully loaded): 1775t CARGO CAPACITY: 2000t Oh well, the whole ship weights 1775t with full cargo load and all, but it can carry 2000t? and more funny things: manual states: TOTAL MASS (fully loaded): 2500t CARGO CAPACITY: 2100t leaving nice 400t for the hull and other tidbits, just like in all other crafts. Manual also has other bugs and in the last page THEY HAVE EVEN SPELLED THE NAME OF THE PROGRAMMER WRONG! HOW CAN A BETA-TESTER WITH HALF-A-BRAIN AND OVER 5 MINUTES OF PLAYING TIME MISS SOMETHING LIKE THIS. First time I saw panther clipper in ship sales list, I viewed it and started to wonder which one was wrong, my calculator and brain, or the game's stats! Also no beta tester could have passed the ship repair 'feature' which requires you to click mouse/press button for EVERY DAMN 0.25t of hull you repair, yes, that means 400 t of hull damage = 2400 CLICKS! Auto repair helps of course, but if you don't want to spend 40t of cargo space to a non-essential system, you have to buy it, fly out, wait for repair, go back in, sell it... not logical. Oh, I'm having good time flaming, lets continue. How about the combat? After 20-30hrs of gameplay you can have so good ship that you don't need to fire a shot, just let the enemy crash your shields. And if you want to fight anything bigger than Imperial Courier, you need to go after them (killing missions or plain piracy with hyperdrive cloud following) and when they are not aggressive to you in the beginning, toasting them to bits with 100MW beam or better is total bore, they have no chance what so ever. Missions? Standard stuff found in bulletin board is bore. Shipping persons or filling out missin persons stuff is clearly NOT WORTH THE TIME SPENT. (not to mention cargo space, 5t/cabin makes me laugh. I carry robots or slaves instead, better profit) Killing missions are better but due to the fact that most targets are just sitting ducks it's also just race against the clock to get there , do the kill, exit fast and collect payment. No challenge. Military stuff is MEGAboring in the beginning, just shipping shit. Assasination missions are mildy interesting, as targets are usually many lightyears away, and you need to plan the route to get there in time, and it clearly affects your military rank (*which I PRAY brings you something like unique missions/additional equipment) With a standard 3d-routine and just few thousand non-detailed star systems this would be piece of shit. With MEGA-good (too bad it's bit power-hungry) 3d-routine and 100 billion starsystems (ok, 99.9999% are non-interesting) and some good ideas it is still a good game but WHAT A WASTE of great 3d/starsystem thing this is. I would go totally crazy if you could map the unknown starsystems, receive credit for just the mapping (rank/cash) and have a good chance of actually finding something unique. (something like find ancient ruins/alien races/ancient damaged spacecraft etc etc possibilities are endless) And those unique findings should happen at least 1-2 times /few hours so they would come not too often but at the same time you would stay hooked as you would wonder what you find next. Currently I'm afraid that one can suck Frontier dry of anything worth playing in just a few days and the only thing that makes you to load it again is the spectacular 3d-routine. (even it has it's bugs, but I've learnt that with 3d-routines you have to draw a line how perfect it is and how fast it is. One must cut corners to make it run more than 1fps) I reserve my right to change this opinion in case I find something good from Frontier, but currently it's going nowhere. I'm going to play it until i'm ELITE, so i'm sure I won't miss anything... - Jarnis (Mail your complaints about the bugs and wasted opportunity to create a true, timeless, perfect classic to Gametek. I will do so.) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!sci.kun.nl!vdrongelen.psych.kun.nl!user From: vdrongelen@NICI.kun.nl (Albert van Drongelen) Subject: Re: Solution to autopilot-crash in Frontier Message-ID: Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.games Sender: news@sci.kun.nl (News owner) Nntp-Posting-Host: vdrongelen.psych.kun.nl Organization: NICI Nijmegen References: <1993Oct26.210804.12829@ifi.uio.no> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 11:24:32 GMT In article <1993Oct26.210804.12829@ifi.uio.no>, larshaug@ifi.uio.no (Lars Haugseth) wrote: > > > In article , vdrongelen@NICI.kun.nl (Albert van Drongelen) writes: > > Hi all. > > > > There were several posts concerning autopilot docking, which sooner or > > later would result in a crash. Happened to me yesterday on several > > occasions, but only when I had changed the view while docking. I think you > > should be in front view, i.e. not behind the ship, or watching its back. As > > far as I could see, game speed had nothing to do with it, you can change > > the speed during auto-docking with no problems. > > Hmm, I must check this out. Maybe he has used the view-vector > instead of the speed-vector in one of the calculations. It seems he did, because whenever you crash in 'behind-view' there is often a wing hitting the entrance to the orbital station. When you're in front view, auto-pilot doesn't see wings, so auto-pilot doesn't need to pay attention to wings (boy, is this *lame*) I do have to say that I had a planet-crash in front-view yesterday on Formatur, so auto-pilot is not completely reliable in front-view either. BTW if you want to discover a real annoying feature/bug, take a look at the Alcaille 8670 (me thinks...) system. Major imports are fruit&vegs, industrial parts, and some others. Load your ship, and go and trade in the Alcaille system: THERE'S NO STARPORT!!! How do these guys import there stuff!? Am I missing something, e.g. do I need another ship to trade with Starportless planetary systems? Why > haven't the beta-testers discovered this (And most of the > other bugs)??? Let's face it, in real life David Braben has now officially become an elite-trader, trading unfinished/untested products for full money (Wonder what his criminal record looks like...) :-) And people wonder why there's so much piracy... > +----------------------------------------------------------------+ > | Lars Haugseth +-+ > | Dept. of Informatics, Like private-parts to the Gods are we -| | > | Univ. of Oslo, Norway they play with us for their sport. BA| | > +-+--------------------------------------------------------------+ | > +----------------------------------------------------------------+ Albert Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!uts!news.daimi.aau.dk!pilgrim From: pilgrim@daimi.aau.dk (Jakob G}rdsted) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Solution to autopilot-crash in Frontier Date: 27 Oct 1993 16:34:59 GMT Organization: DAIMI, Computer Science Dept. at Aarhus University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <2am7vj$ofu@belfort.daimi.aau.dk> References: <1993Oct26.210804.12829@ifi.uio.no> <2aka07$jib@mits.mdata.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: bmw.daimi.aau.dk Thus spake jarnis@mits.mdata.fi (Jarno Kokko): >Also no beta tester could have passed the ship repair 'feature' which requires >you to click mouse/press button for EVERY DAMN 0.25t of hull you repair, >yes, that means 400 t of hull damage = 2400 CLICKS! Auto repair >helps of course, but if you don't want to spend 40t of cargo space >to a non-essential system, you have to buy it, fly out, wait for repair, >go back in, sell it... not logical. Well, I get this funny association... Maybe the 2400 clicks indicate you repaired the ship by hand, and the choice of .25t/click was to make the player feel, how tedious it is to repair the ship this way (and thus opt for automatic). (I couldn't help it). Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!star.cs.vu.nl!balaena!avpostma From: avpostma@bio.vu.nl Subject: Re: Any Frontier Tips? Message-ID: <1993Oct26.224141.6121@bio.vu.nl> Organization: VU Biology, Amsterdam, The Netherlands References: <26OCT199312100898@vxcrna.cern.ch> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1993 22:41:41 GMT gowdy@vxcrna.cern.ch (Stephen J Gowdy) writes: : I have tried playing Frontier but have only had about 30 mins flying time. : The trouble is I can't seem to kill the pirates. I manage to hit them a few : times but they always either ram me or hit me with a missile. Anyone got any : tips? : : By the way, how do you target a missile? I can't seem to find it. : : ************************************************************************** : *Stephen J Gowdy *A4000/040*"Great quote coming soon...." * : *Bitnet: GOWDY AT GWIA *120 MB HD* * : *DecNet: 20075::GOWDY *6MEG RAM!* by me * : *InterNet: GOWDY@v1.ph.gla.ac.uk*It moves!* * : ************************************************************************** First of all when you are playing it for 30 minutes you are not very far in the game and the pirates are not hard to kill.i just did this: find them on your scanner and on your fornt view click on them.When they pass you by and are about 10km away turn n autopilot and hit the space bar until really close (eg.1km or les) and disengage the autopilot.there is really nothing to it this way,but wait until you engage better pirates :) targetting the missle is locking the view on the pirate by clicking on h s s hip and then on a missle and then on the launch button.c'est simple! Alex Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!pipex!dircon!hosta.dircon.co.uk!hosta!amiga From: amiga@hosta.dircon.co.uk (Dino Dini) Subject: Re: Any Frontier Tips? Message-ID: Keywords: Frontier, Amiga Organization: Dini & Dini Productions References: <26OCT199312100898@vxcrna.cern.ch> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 18:53:12 GMT Lines: 16 In <26OCT199312100898@vxcrna.cern.ch> gowdy@vxcrna.cern.ch (Stephen J Gowdy) writes: >I have tried playing Frontier but have only had about 30 mins flying time. >The trouble is I can't seem to kill the pirates. I manage to hit them a few >times but they always either ram me or hit me with a missile. Anyone got any >tips? >By the way, how do you target a missile? I can't seem to find it. It looks like you don't have a manual. Am I correct? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dino Dini Dini & Dini Productions amiga@hosta.dircon.co.uk "The opinions expressed here *are* those of the company... we are the company." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!psinntp!max.physics.sunysb.edu!dtiberio From: dtiberio@ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: More FRONTIER comments Date: 26 Oct 1993 23:07:33 GMT Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook Lines: 139 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2akajl$3fk@max.physics.sunysb.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: csws7.ic.sunysb.edu I've been playing this game for a couple days and thought I would share some bugs and maybe spoilers... BUGS: First, autopilot is great, but I noticed that it tends to crash into planets in groups. For example, I might go all day without crashing, and then spend an hour crashing into everything that moves. Also noticed that there is a tendency to crash into the same planets over and over again. Also, the enemies appear to arrive at predestined intervals. I can't remember the number of times I had a conflict at x.xxx AU's from a planet, to the exact number, 10 times in a row or more. Only once have I fought more than one enemy at a time. Sometimes it says "You arunder attack", and the enemy either never attacks or isn't even in range as if it doesn't exist. Never received help from the "My ship is broken down" or "My ship is under attack" no matter where I tried it (even near stations). If you are at a planet and want to dock on a city on the opposite side, it IS possible to use autopilot to ck successfully. I have done this many times. Some ports, such as Hoopertown, do not allow me to take off. Sometimes taking off using the fastest time mode will launch you and state that your time has expired and you must reapply, but send you out anyway. Stations do not appear to be facing planets anymore like Elite I. Enemy missiles are rarely to be feared. They are not very threatening. And they seem to also leave a smoke trail. Attacking a port based on a planet may cause instant death. :) Attacking an orbiting stations is hard (I still use 5MW BEAMS). They appear to have shields. Some stations send out the cops, while others just fine you forever. If you sell goods through the bulliten board, one might be a cop,\ but the other generally isn't if another is listed. Sometimes the bullitens request an item for a huge sum, but by the time I hop skip and jump, they are no longer offered for sale! I am also sick of these kamikazee fighters that keep crashing my ship as if on purpose. In Elite, sometimes you get attacked right after a hyperspace. Hasn't happened yet in Frontier. SPOILERS COMING NEXT: SPOLIERS: If you see abig fight coming, set a close hyperspace jump in case you need to save your butt at the last minute. Fast way to make money is to run drugs. For example, buy in 70 Osomething (-1,-1 I think) and trade at Arcturus stations. You will make 600-700 CR per sale. Look for people offering parcels for high amounts. Grab as many as you can. Always ask for more money and advanced payment. If you have no money and are just starting out, just blow them off and you'll get yopur money to invest anyway. When you are up against some enemies, you can set them as a target and then turn on autopilot. If you are lucky (probably dependent on your actual speed), your crosshairs will line up with the bad guy. In most cases you might also crash, so turn away at around .5km by changing to manual control. Some bad guys (lie the fighter planes) avoid you on their own. When an enemy first appears, use Manual control. As you get your scanner, turn engines off and you can aim much better. Try to shoot the bad guys while they are turning or flying towards or away from you. Also good to hit them when they swing close to your ship. But with engines off, you are a sitting duck for some missiles and all the guys with beam lasers, so try varying or reserving it for later in a fight. If you want to take a big chance to get more cargo space, sell your missiles, scanner, atmosphere protector, and possibly your laser and autopilot. You will not be able to land on some planets, and you will have trouble fighting, but you can sell drugs faster. :) Here is what I usually trade at best prices: Narcotics, Robots, Computers, Fruits and Vegetables, Animal Meat. Sometimes Luxury Goods. All are often featured by people willing to pay double market value (also battle weapons). Watch out when you trade illegal items though... the cops might get you. Using the fastest time setting increaes the chances of hitting a planet or of encountering an enemy. Sometimes I set it to one speed lower to avoid a troublesome bad guy. When you really want to threaten people, buy lots of shields and a beam gun and a quick laser regenerator and go look for fights. Practice on the police if you want, but they come out in one big group which is a problem. Work your way up to larger ship tonages as quick as possible, even if it only leaves you with under 3000 CR. I made it to my 5th ship in one day (70t or so), even after screaming at the game a million times due to all the kamikazees and autopilot crashes. To fight without a scanner, find the bad guy as quick as possible and select him as a target. then turn the names of the planets off, and he will be easier to identify. Also, you may get hints from the system as to which direction the target is in (meager as they are). That's all for now... -- Area52 Amiga Technical Support, Long Island, New York (516) 476-1615 "Amiga Online Reference Manual... sure to cause cranial expansion." - Joe Rockhopper, Antarctic Sales Representative Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!trident.usacs.rutgers.edu!mohos From: mohos@trident.usacs.rutgers.edu (Quentin Mohos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Frontier - for the P.C. Message-ID: Date: 27 Oct 93 04:21:07 GMT References: <1993Oct25.092718.8119@dct.ac.uk> Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 20 bssbr3jre@dct.ac.uk writes: >Does anyone know if Frontier is coming out/has been made for the >P.C. I know this isn't exactly the right place to ask, but still... > Jon Elder, Dundee Tech, > Scotland. Well, I can't be sure, but from what I understand it should be Really Soon Now (tm) Gosh it sure feels good to be saying that about an IBM game instead of an Amiga game, for a change :-) Quentin Mohos mohos@trident.usacs.rutgers.edu Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!trident.usacs.rutgers.edu!mohos From: mohos@trident.usacs.rutgers.edu (Quentin Mohos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Frontier - major bug Message-ID: Date: 27 Oct 93 04:38:34 GMT References: <1993Oct21.194357.21927@ugle.unit.no> <1993Oct25.201547.28588@ncsu.edu> Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 19 stdeprie@eos.ncsu.edu (SHAWN TEMPLE DEPRIEST) writes: >I too have had the problem of the locked speed vector and find it quite >annoying. Any help would be areciated also. I'm not quite sure what you mean by locked speed vector here. If you mean that if you're going really fast and then change your ship's heading, you don't immediately start moving in the new direction, then that's not called a bug, that's called in-real-life,-multiton-spaceships-don't-stop-on-a-dime. :^) >Thanks in advance >-- >Shawn DePriest, more than just a number: stdeprie@eos.ncsu.edu Quentin Mohos mohos@trident.usacs.rutgers.edu Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!xlink.net!subnet.sub.net!pfm!indi!Harry_Schittler From: Harry_Schittler@indi.rmt.sub.org (Harry Schittler) Subject: Re: Frontier - major bug Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games References: <2af2b3$gpa@mits.mdata.fi> Distribution: inet X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Message-ID: Date: 27 Oct 93 15:32:13 MEZ Organization: The Independent BBS Lines: 39 Jarno Kokko (jarnis@mits.mdata.fi) wrote: : 1> no way to get crew BEFORE you buy a craft with free crew spaces - : it's rather time consuming to collect 5+ new crew members. It's possible : but takes upto several months of game tiem. Just advance the ships step by step. eg. Transporter->Lion-> etc. : 3> No way to fit better drives to Imperial Transport/Couriers - sales : view claims they can use hyperdrive 7 but ... you can't remove #6 so.. I took a look at the Game binaries, it seems that you can get bigger military drives when you have earned a higher rang.. : 7> no REAL missions (those simple bulletin-board thingies get : really boring very fast) - I want something like in Elite 1, unique : missions which take a lot of work to complete. (Package claims : there is 82 missions, and my Imperial title is still only Sir so : I'm having high hopes something DOES turn out) Guarding Convoys, making photos of military objects may come later maybe when you get elite Status (Im still competent) : 12> Try repairing 400 tons of hull damage manually. you end up : clicking mouse 2400 times (0.25t/click)... NASTY thing, I end up : buying auto repair, going out, using it, coming in, selling it and : then rocking again. Not logical. You can stick in something in you Numpad 4 Key and leave for a dinner with you girl friend (remember she also needs some time :-) cu Harry Harry Schittler / Arndtstr. 2 / 65185 Wiesbaden / root@indi.rmt.sub.org --- Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!psinntp!max.physics.sunysb.edu!dtiberio From: dtiberio@ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Frontier - major bug Date: 27 Oct 1993 20:45:32 GMT Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook Lines: 17 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <2ammlc$818@max.physics.sunysb.edu> References: <2af2b3$gpa@mits.mdata.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: csws7.ic.sunysb.edu In article etjunior@ci.ua.pt (B.Junior) writes: >Jarno Kokko (jarnis@mits.mdata.fi) wrote: > >: 6> After getting about 600+ ton ship, no visible way to upgrade ships, >: I'm getting tired of trading, and I have 3M surplus cash at the I have seen a 1300 ton and 2000 ton ship, in case you hadn't seen them yet. -- Area52 Amiga Technical Support, Long Island, New York (516) 476-1615 "Amiga Online Reference Manual... sure to cause cranial expansion." - Joe Rockhopper, Antarctic Sales Representative Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!trane.uninett.no!news.eunet.no!nuug!news.eunet.fi!prime.mdata.fi!mits.mdata.fi!not-for-mail From: jarnis@mits.mdata.fi (Jarno Kokko) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: FRONTIER (it really fooled me, but fools no more) Date: 27 Oct 1993 03:54:50 +0200 Organization: MITS - Helsinki - Finland Lines: 91 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2akkda$ku9@mits.mdata.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: mits.mdata.fi This message is 100% flames to the coder(s) and publisher of Frontier (others may want to wear asbestos too, this is really hot stuff) Feel free to disagree, and if you want, do so in public, but stay behind your comments when you have uncovered the truth... I FEEL CHEATED - FRONTIER IS JUST A PIECE OF SHIT COVERED WITH ONE OF THE COOLEST DRESSINGS EVER. PERIOD. After going thru the game file (reading all the texts there is to read etc) I can say that after you own a 500t+ ship and you have enough cash to do what ever you want, there is NOTHING left. (few military missions and experimenting with totally profitless mining, but I'll skip those, they are not worth mentioning for reasons stated later) Ok, galaxy looks HUGE. But it's just smokescreen. In reality there is NOTHING beyond the area of the starmap supplied with the game which covers microscopic area of the whole galaxy. Nothing in the game file indicates that there would be anything unique outside say 50-100ly from sun, and even those randomly generated spaceports end around 200ly. - and galaxy is HUGE, thousands of light years wide. (hell, tens of thousands, maybe over hundred thousand, but it's irrelevant) Those simple and boring missions you can see in the bulletin board are all you can get - most of them are profitless and all of them are unintersting after you've done them once. no challenge what so ever. Trading - that's something you can do, but you can do it even in FOFT - and without anything else it gets very booooring in no time. If you find trading interesting, say that again after you got 200t or so free cargo space and enough weaponry to kill anything in less than 10 seconds. Killing pirates - space combat. Has some idea until you get beam lasers. After that each battle lasts approx 5-10 seconds. Less if you have enough shields to ram any enemy. In other words nothing to do after few hours. Military missions - you can move stuff (data cards etc) from one place to another, get assasination missions (pretty much like those killing jobs in normal board), get filming missions and even missions to destroy some installation with nuclear missile. - AND THATS IT, all missions are same random shit and they offer no challenge what so ever after 1-2 times done. Mining. IF you ever land on a planet with no spaceports manually, tell me! Mining is something I have not been able to try, but then again you can mine ridiculous amount of 10 tons/miner. You make more profit with plain trading anyday. And what else is there? Ship upgrading is exciting for first few hours of gameplay, but as there is no hidden items anywhere to be found (well hexdump does list class 4 military drive and 'fighter launcher', but I belive fighter launcher is not implemented as there is no other references to it.) after 10-30 hrs depending on your skill you have maxed your ship. So all you are left with is to wander around the 100 billion stars that are out there - with no chance what so ever to find anything ever. Granted, 3D routine rules - never before has someone succeeded this well in duplicating at least remotely realistic spaceflight, but there is simply no substance. With totally lame&easy space combat there is no real reason to go for ELITE status, as there is nothing out there. GO DIG BRABEN OUT OF HIS HOLE AND FORCE HIM TO ADD GAME TO THIS GREAT 3D ROUTINE! The bug-farm that is living in the game certainly doesn't help, there is at least 5 major bugs affecting the gameplay and few dozen illogicalities, typos and clear spots for improvements. So to put it short: Currently Frontier contains no game beyond few hours of fun, hell I find ORIGINAL Elite more intersting after all these years simply because it has working space combat which requires skill. - Jarnis (overpissed. cheated. wasted 250FIM for 20-30 hrs of fun with nothing left when the game promised oh so much) Please post your followups, let the people hear what you think too. Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!pcl!lykec From: lykec@westminster.ac.uk Subject: Re: FRONTIER (it really fooled me, but fools no more) Message-ID: Organization: University of Westminster References: <2akkda$ku9@mits.mdata.fi> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 12:31:59 GMT Lines: 19 In article <2akkda$ku9@mits.mdata.fi> jarnis@mits.mdata.fi (Jarno Kokko) writes: >This message is 100% flames to the coder(s) and publisher of Frontier >(others may want to wear asbestos too, this is really hot stuff) > >Feel free to disagree, and if you want, do so in public, >but stay behind your comments when you have uncovered the >truth... > >I FEEL CHEATED - FRONTIER IS JUST A PIECE OF SHIT COVERED >WITH ONE OF THE COOLEST DRESSINGS EVER. PERIOD. > [some stuff deleted] Each to his own I guess.....If you dont want your copy then Im sure plenty of people would buy yours off you!!!!!!!! Laters.......... Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!news.eunet.fi!prime.mdata.fi!mits.mdata.fi!not-for-mail From: jarnis@mits.mdata.fi (Jarno Kokko) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: FRONTIER (it really fooled me, but fools no more) Date: 27 Oct 1993 15:20:16 +0200 Organization: Microdata International Telecomm Service, Helsinki, Finland Lines: 17 Message-ID: <2alsig$rp3@mits.mdata.fi> References: <2akkda$ku9@mits.mdata.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: mits.mdata.fi >>I FEEL CHEATED - FRONTIER IS JUST A PIECE OF SHIT COVERED >>WITH ONE OF THE COOLEST DRESSINGS EVER. PERIOD. > [some stuff deleted] > Each to his own I guess.....If you dont want your copy then Im sure >plenty of people would buy yours off you!!!!!!!! Okey, anyone on the net willing to pay something for a genuine original FRONTIER (amiga) - all manuals etc. Only thing missing is the registration card that I already have mailed. (In hope of upgrades etc.) I paid 250FIM (approx 45$ or so) and I'm willing to sell it for about that, plus postage. Anyone want this? - Jarnis Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!psuvax1!psuvm!mbs110 Organization: The Comet Empire Center for Nonviolent Conflict Resolution Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1993 00:21:24 EDT From: Mark 'Mark' Sachs Message-ID: <93301.002124MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: FRONTIER (it really fooled me, but fools no more) Distribution: world References: <2akkda$ku9@mits.mdata.fi> <2alsig$rp3@mits.mdata.fi> <2an3jqINN9l3@bard.intel.com> Lines: 24 In article <2an3jqINN9l3@bard.intel.com>, bmcinto@gomez.intel.com (Baird McIntosh) says: >Note: I haven't seen the game, only the demo on a 68000. Understandably, you >are upset, but maybe all is not lost for Frontier. Would you pay a small >upgrade fee (or no fee) to solve the bugs and/or add new features? Or are >you so mad that you'll never play Frontier again, despite possible fixes? Heck, I would pay an upgrade fee for less bugs and new features, and I haven't even received my copy yet! Perhaps we could obtain the snailmail addresses of one or more of {Konami, Gametek,David Braben} and deluge them with politely worded, constructive comments, indicating our willingness to shell out a bit more if necessary for Frontier 1.1, and suggesting new features to add. We might even construct a comprehensive electronic letter, sign it with the names of hundreds of people who read c.s.a.games and send it off. The only risk is that they'll pull a World Circuits on us and only develop the PC version, but if that happens then we can always firebomb their offices. "You can't expect me to play a game with weird zoning laws, can you?" [Your blood pressure just went up.] Mark Sachs, aka mbs110@psuvm.psu.edu DISCLAIMER: Penn State cares about my money, not my opinions. Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!chnews!bard.intel.com!bmcinto From: bmcinto@gomez.intel.com (Baird McIntosh) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: FRONTIER (it really fooled me, but fools no more) Date: 28 Oct 1993 00:26:34 GMT Organization: IAL, Intel Corp, Santa Clara, CA Lines: 26 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2an3jqINN9l3@bard.intel.com> References: <2akkda$ku9@mits.mdata.fi> <2alsig$rp3@mits.mdata.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: cloves.intel.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Jarno Kokko (jarnis@mits.mdata.fi) wrote: > >>I FEEL CHEATED - FRONTIER IS JUST A PIECE OF SHIT COVERED > >>WITH ONE OF THE COOLEST DRESSINGS EVER. PERIOD. > Okey, anyone on the net willing to pay something for a genuine > original FRONTIER (amiga) - all manuals etc. Only thing missing > is the registration card that I already have mailed. (In hope > of upgrades etc.) Perhaps the game writer and game company will take feedback from users and release a bug-fixed and/or expanded version of the game. If what people say about U.S. release date being around December is true, then perhaps there will be a Frontier v1.1 which fixes most of these problems. And then there was the interview that seemed to indicate that there will be add-ons and expansions released later... maybe. Note: I haven't seen the game, only the demo on a 68000. Understandably, you are upset, but maybe all is not lost for Frontier. Would you pay a small upgrade fee (or no fee) to solve the bugs and/or add new features? Or are you so mad that you'll never play Frontier again, despite possible fixes? Baird ---------------------------------------------------------------- Baird McIntosh email: bmcinto@gomez.intel.com /* BLAZEMONGER Complimentary Customer Diagnostic Program */ main(){int *p=0;while(1)sprintf(p+=13,"ENFORCE THIS!");} ================================================================ Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!spool.mu.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!emory!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!gold.tc.umn.edu!sjoq0002 From: sjoq0002@gold.tc.umn.edu (Laura A Sjoquist-1) Subject: Re: FRONTIER (it really fooled me, but fools no more) Message-ID: Sender: news@news2.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Nntp-Posting-Host: gold2.tc.umn.edu Organization: University of Minnesota, Twin Cities References: <2akkda$ku9@mits.mdata.fi> <2alsig$rp3@mits.mdata.fi> <2an3jqINN9l3@bard.intel.com> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1993 05:50:24 GMT Lines: 36 In <2an3jqINN9l3@bard.intel.com> bmcinto@gomez.intel.com (Baird McIntosh) writes: >Jarno Kokko (jarnis@mits.mdata.fi) wrote: >> >>I FEEL CHEATED - FRONTIER IS JUST A PIECE OF SHIT COVERED >> >>WITH ONE OF THE COOLEST DRESSINGS EVER. PERIOD. >> Okey, anyone on the net willing to pay something for a genuine >> original FRONTIER (amiga) - all manuals etc. Only thing missing >> is the registration card that I already have mailed. (In hope >> of upgrades etc.) >Perhaps the game writer and game company will take feedback from users and >release a bug-fixed and/or expanded version of the game. If what people say >about U.S. release date being around December is true, then perhaps there will >be a Frontier v1.1 which fixes most of these problems. And then there was the >interview that seemed to indicate that there will be add-ons and expansions >released later... maybe. >Note: I haven't seen the game, only the demo on a 68000. Understandably, you >are upset, but maybe all is not lost for Frontier. Would you pay a small >upgrade fee (or no fee) to solve the bugs and/or add new features? Or are >you so mad that you'll never play Frontier again, despite possible fixes? Buy a buggy game, then pay for the bugfixes that shouldn't have been there in the first place? Are you high? :) But if the game was upgraded (read: aga) and new features added, I think a fee of up to 1/3rd the original price of the game would not be out of line. > Baird >---------------------------------------------------------------- > Baird McIntosh email: bmcinto@gomez.intel.com > /* BLAZEMONGER Complimentary Customer Diagnostic Program */ > main(){int *p=0;while(1)sprintf(p+=13,"ENFORCE THIS!");} >================================================================ Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!news.funet.fi!news.cs.tut.fi!news.cs.tut.fi!bitti From: bitti@korppi.cs.tut.fi (Matti Rintala) Subject: Frontier boring? Nope! In-Reply-To: jarnis@mits.mdata.fi's message of 27 Oct 1993 05: 04:35 +0200 Message-ID: Sender: usenet@news.cs.tut.fi (#Kotilo NEWS system ) Nntp-Posting-Host: cs.tut.fi Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Finland References: <2akog3$lc3@mits.mdata.fi> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 09:32:24 GMT Lines: 28 >>>>> " " == Jarno Kokko writes: > Don't talk shit. There is no challenge what so ever in the > space combat after you get a beam laser. period. So don't buy a beam laser! I mean, if the game gets too easy IF you do something (buy beam laser, buy many shield generators and crash into other ships, etc.), then don't do it and the game is challenging again. You seem to complain that the game is TOO EASY and that the autopilot's errors make the game TOO DIFFICULT. I've found that I LIKE to help the autopilot a bit, to make the docking quicker. I even find this bug very realistic (except that it seems only to happen when using external view), I mean, when have you seen a real-life computer that works? Right, why should autopilot, then? Frontier is as boring as you make it to be. If you only look at your rankings as a "score", then you've completely misunderstood the concept of Frontier. If one way of life gets boring, start another game (or sell your existing ship and donate your money away, that's possible you know). Sell your beam laser and shield generators, don't use autopilot on battles, dock manually, ENJOY THE LIFE! > - Jarnis -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matti Rintala bitti@cs.tut.fi ******************************************************************************* "Time is a drug. Too much of it kills you."(from Small Gods by Terry Pratchett) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!brunel!ccws-38.brunel.ac.uk!cs92aar From: cs92aar@brunel.ac.uk (Andrew Robertson) Subject: Re: Frontier boring? Nope! Message-ID: Sender: news@brunel.ac.uk (News supervisor) Nntp-Posting-Host: ccws-38.brunel.ac.uk Reply-To: cs92aar@brunel.ac.uk Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. References: Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 11:36:37 GMT Lines: 11 Yeah I agree... Play the game. for fun.... not to critisze it... Of course its not fun if you analyze it to death... Come on lighten up.... Andrew Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!news.funet.fi!news.eunet.fi!prime.mdata.fi!mits.mdata.fi!not-for-mail From: jarnis@mits.mdata.fi (Jarno Kokko) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Frontier boring? Nope! Date: 27 Oct 1993 13:28:04 +0200 Organization: Microdata International Telecomm Service, Helsinki, Finland Lines: 32 Message-ID: <2alm04$od4@mits.mdata.fi> References: <2akog3$lc3@mits.mdata.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: mits.mdata.fi >Frontier is as boring as you make it to be. If you only look at your >rankings as a "score", then you've completely misunderstood the >concept of Frontier. If one way of life gets boring, start another >game (or sell your existing ship and donate your money away, that's >possible you know). Sell your beam laser and shield generators, don't >use autopilot on battles, dock manually, ENJOY THE LIFE! > Oh well, in theory your idea is ok, but the combat is like this: 1MW pulse - very difficult and time consuming with a very high chance of getting killed by an enemy craft hitting you head-on. 5MW pulse - midly interesting. still good chance of getting hit by kamikaze guys. And then again you kill almost anything with 1-2 shots if you hit one. 30MW mining - fire and pray for hit. if you hit, it dies. period. no feel of dogfight ever. Also I really expect that if you can upgrade stuff, more expensive ships would be better. In fact even plain Cobra MKIII is a very good ship, and anything above Imperial Trader is clumsy and usually not worth the cash. There should be small but very expensive crafts with some advantages for example, or very big but relatively cheapo ships with disadvantages etc.etc. currently ships go up in price and power pretty smoothly, but at certain point their usefullness drops rapidly as you don't really need additional cargo space. - Jarnis Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!news.funet.fi!nntp.hut.fi!nntp.hut.fi!oahvenla From: oahvenla@snakemail.hut.fi (Osma Ahvenlampi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Frontier boring? Nope! Date: 27 Oct 93 19:00:42 GMT Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland Lines: 23 Distribution: inet Message-ID: References: <2akog3$lc3@mits.mdata.fi> <2alm04$od4@mits.mdata.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: lk-hp-4.hut.fi In-reply-to: jarnis@mits.mdata.fi's message of 27 Oct 1993 13:28:04 +0200 In article <2alm04$od4@mits.mdata.fi> jarnis@mits.mdata.fi (Jarno Kokko) writes: >There should be small but very expensive crafts with some advantages >for example, or very big but relatively cheapo ships with disadvantages >etc.etc. currently ships go up in price and power pretty smoothly, but >at certain point their usefullness drops rapidly as you don't really >need additional cargo space. What I'd like would be to get one of those Long Range Cruisers you can see at some spacestations (and in the demo), and use it as a carrier. Equip it with a fleet of Vipers and attack the Federal naval base at Eta Cassiopeia.. Oh, except there is no Federal navy fleet anywhere near Eta. I haven't even been able to get a Federal military mission from the Mortuary (the station orbiting the navy base planet). BTW: I killed one Cruiser today with a 4MW beam laser. The station I was near sent one Police Viper, which managed to crash itself to the station just after launching. Oh, and how can the biggest ship in the whole Frontier universe be equipped with a Class 2 military drive (according to Radar Mapper), and be called long range? FRONTIER LACKS DEPTH! -- Osma Ahvenlampi - oahvenla@snakemail.hut.fi - finger or mail for PGP key Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!xlink.net!sbusol.rz.uni-sb.de!aldebaran!winter From: winter@aquarius.cs.uni-sb.de (Stefan Winterstein) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Frontier bugs(?) Date: 27 Oct 1993 10:21:36 GMT Organization: Universitaet des Saarlandes Lines: 18 Sender: winter@aquarius (Stefan Winterstein) Distribution: world Message-ID: <2ali3gINNkpv@sbusol.rz.uni-sb.de> References: Reply-To: winter@cs.uni-sb.de NNTP-Posting-Host: wega.cs.uni-sb.de In article , morgan@krynn.augs.se (Morgan Ericsson) writes: |> Am I the on who has problems with Frontier? I mean, my copy has crashed, |> locked up during the launch from a space station (many times) Sounds like that stack problem. If you start the game from the shell, set the stack to 70000 first. If you start it from Workbench, make sure that the icon contains the right stack setting. |> and the bulletin |> board is bad (shows the stockmarket listing or too many arrows) etc. Known bug. /// Gruss, /// __ /// - Stefan \\\ /// \\X// Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!xlink.net!math.fu-berlin.de!unlisys!gfxbase!ebers From: ebers@gfxbase.in-berlin.de (Thorsten Ebers) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Frontier bugs(?) Message-ID: <6KFMt*Dy2@gfxbase.in-berlin.de> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 19:31:02 GMT References: Distribution: world Organization: Not an Organization X-Newsreader: Arn V1.03a Lines: 39 In article , Morgan Ericsson writes: > > BTW. I'm avarage, with a imperial trader (20MW beamlaser and all the > necessary equipment (ECM, laser cooler etc)). Is anyone elite yet? And, > do the federal/imperial navy mission getting more exciting? I'm only > a private and all I get to do is transport paper between the systemes. I > want to be ordered to destroy enemy cruisers or spacestations =) > How did you do that, I just plastarted to play and I now have just good 1000 $ ,I think I will continue to trade until I can afford a passenger Cabine,but I just read that it will use 5 t. I only have 4 at my ship.:-((( I new ship will cost much more that I can made with trade.What Did you do ? reagards , Thorsten > -- > > Morgan Ericsson, CS/CE student at VAXJO UNIVERSITY (A1200/A3000) > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > "Death is that state in which one exists only in the memory of others', > which is why it is not an end. No goodbyes, just good memories." > > ------InterNet-------------FIDO--------Phone----------InterNet--------- > morgan@krynn.augs.se | 2:204/404 | 0470-39898 | merdil92@hvdc.hv.se > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mail 'reqpgp@krynn.augs.se' to get my PGP key > --- Thorsten Ebers e-mail: ebers@gfxbase.in-berlin.de Tel.: +49 30 321 3428 Aus der Telewerbung: "Unsere Leitungen sind alle besetzt !! Rufen Sie jetzt an !!" From tv-commercials: Our lines are all busy !!Call Now!!" Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!uts!news.daimi.aau.dk!kroll From: kroll@daimi.aau.dk (Lars Kroll Kristensen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: FRONTIER (It's MEGA!) Date: 27 Oct 1993 10:57:00 GMT Organization: DAIMI, Computer Science Dept. at Aarhus University Lines: 39 Message-ID: <2alk5s$aia@belfort.daimi.aau.dk> References: <2a79k9$b93@mits.mdata.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: mirebeau.daimi.aau.dk Thus spake jarnis@mits.mdata.fi (Jarno Kokko): >After playing for about 6 hours with backupsave after each docking >I've gotten my status to 'Average' and I have pretty well equipped >Asp Explorer (Fuel/Cargo scoops, 1MW Beam Laser, Shield Gen, Scanner, >etc.etc.) and some 250k cash. >And I can only say the coder(s) are geniuses. Try this: >Buy live animals WITHOUT having cargo bay life support installed and >*WHOOP* you end up with tons of animal meat :-) the poor fellas died >during the trip.. I laughed almost 2 minutes and started to wonder what >would come out if I tried same with slaves (*grin*)... the answer is quite simply:..fertilizer (*EVIL GRIN*) >The combat is hard at starters but against easier crafts try this: >target them (click once) and then engage autopilot (you can't live without >one!) and the autopilot starts to track the ship and you just shoot... >Just remember to pull up (and turn autopilot off) at about 0.5-1.0km >range or you'll crash! >Anyway, if you start with first situation, (1. from startup menu) your >primary objective should be to upgrade to Adder/Cobra Mk.1 as fast as you >can, as the crap craft you have at the beginning has absolutely no >cargo space. To free 2 more spaces, fire/remove those missiles. I've found >out that normal homing missiles are pretty useless. Dunno about smart >ones, but... >Anyway, anyone else got up to average/asp explorer yet? > - Jarnis (dreaming of that Imperial Transporter, it looked damn cool) -- Lars Kroll Kristensen Last century :"The Pen is mightier than the email: kroll@daimi.aau.dk sword." SnailMail: Gudrunsvej 16.6.th This century :"The keyboard is mightier than 8220 Brabrand,DK the M-16" Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!news.funet.fi!uwasa.fi!mah From: mah@uwasa.fi (Markku Hunnakko) Subject: Re: Elite II *** FLOP *** Message-ID: <1993Oct27.130835.1695@uwasa.fi> Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] References: <2a3bbf$qmu@wumpus.cc.uow.edu.au> <2a3imcINN8g7@ctron-news.ctron.com> <2ajbjnEhfa@uni-erlangen.de> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 13:08:35 GMT Lines: 29 Wolfgang Loske (wloske@y.cip.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de) wrote: : Hi there, : o.k. we all know about Elite I, don't we. : Forget it. That does not mean that it isn't a VERY good game, but : we're talking about Frontier. : IMHO it is meant as a game for itself and not as a real sequel to : Elite I. But now, as I'm ready with reading all those postings : about Frontier, my questions: : 1) Is it that slow on 60000 as all of you say ? Did you mean 68000? If so, it's DEADLY slow! : 2) If there is a lower detail level and does the game get faste : then (perhaps the same minimal graphics as Elite I) Yes, it gets faster. It may even got to 4 frames per sec. : 3) Is it possible, with the harder flight controls in mind, to hit : the enemy or even kill him ? Absolutely not. : 4) Is the game really worth buying for 60000 It may be better to get 68040... Nntp-Posting-Host: kolsaas.ifi.uio.no Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!trane.uninett.no!nntp.uio.no!ifi.uio.no!larshaug From: larshaug@ifi.uio.no (Lars Haugseth) Subject: Re: Elite II *** FLOP *** Message-ID: <1993Oct27.142426.8719@ifi.uio.no> Sender: larshaug@ifi.uio.no (Lars Haugseth) Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway References: <2a3bbf$qmu@wumpus.cc.uow.edu.au> <2a3imcINN8g7@ctron-news.ctron.com> <2ajbjnEhfa@uni-erlangen.de> <1993Oct27.130835.1695@uwasa.fi> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 14:24:26 GMT Lines: 48 Originator: larshaug@kolsaas.ifi.uio.no In article <1993Oct27.130835.1695@uwasa.fi>, mah@uwasa.fi (Markku Hunnakko) writes: > Wolfgang Loske (wloske@y.cip.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de) wrote: > : Hi there, > > : o.k. we all know about Elite I, don't we. > > : Forget it. That does not mean that it isn't a VERY good game, but > : we're talking about Frontier. > > : IMHO it is meant as a game for itself and not as a real sequel to > : Elite I. But now, as I'm ready with reading all those postings > : about Frontier, my questions: > > : 1) Is it that slow on 60000 as all of you say ? > > Did you mean 68000? If so, it's DEADLY slow! I think it's ok. > : 2) If there is a lower detail level and does the game get faste > : then (perhaps the same minimal graphics as Elite I) > > Yes, it gets faster. It may even got to 4 frames per sec. Haha! You're talking about the worst case here! It's pretty smooth in space, which is the important part of the game. > : 3) Is it possible, with the harder flight controls in mind, to hit > : the enemy or even kill him ? > > Absolutely not. Que? > : 4) Is the game really worth buying for 60000 > > It may be better to get 68040... Yes, no doubt about that, but not all of us can afford such a beast. +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Lars Haugseth +-+ | Dept. of Informatics, Like private-parts to the Gods are we -| | | Univ. of Oslo, Norway they play with us for their sport. BA| | +-+--------------------------------------------------------------+ | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!xlink.net!fauern!rrze.uni-erlangen.de!y.cip.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de!wloske From: wloske@y.cip.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de (Wolfgang Loske) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Elite II *** FLOP *** Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 14:31:24 GMT Organization: Regionales Rechenzentrum Erlangen, Germany Message-ID: <2am0nsE9h7@uni-erlangen.de> References: <2a3bbf$qmu@wumpus.cc.uow.edu.au> <2a3imcINN8g7@ctron-news.ctron.com> <2ajbjnEhfa@uni-erlangen.de> <1993Oct27.130835.1695@uwasa.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: cipy.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de Lines: 37 mah@uwasa.fi (Markku Hunnakko) writes: (Stuff deleted) >: 1) Is it that slow on 60000 as all of you say ? > Did you mean 68000? If so, it's DEADLY slow! yes, I meant 68000. :^} (Stuff deleted) >: 3) Is it possible, with the harder flight controls in mind, to hit >: the enemy or even kill him ? > Absolutely not. Perhaps it is a little misunderstandable. I mean, is it easy, normal, hard or very hard to hit the enemy in space dog fights. Is there any aid like the targeting computer in Elite I, which BEEPS when you locked the missile or when the enemy was in the right position to fire your laser. Your answer makes me believe, that I will never be able to mess with those pirates ( and that's the fun, isn't it :^} ) Bis denn Wolfgang --- ----------------------------------------------------------- Mankind is more efficient with a bicycle. The computer is nothing else than a bicycle for the brain ! -- Steve Jobbs ----------------------------------------------------------- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!news.funet.fi!uwasa.fi!mah From: mah@uwasa.fi (Markku Hunnakko) Subject: Re: Elite II *** FLOP *** Message-ID: <1993Oct27.143614.10211@uwasa.fi> Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] References: <2a3bbf$qmu@wumpus.cc.uow.edu.au> <2a3imcINN8g7@ctron-news.ctron.com> <2ajbjnEhfa@uni-erlangen.de> <1993Oct27.130835.1695@uwasa.fi> <1993Oct27.142426.8719@ifi.uio.no> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1993 14:36:14 GMT Lines: 49 Lars Haugseth (larshaug@ifi.uio.no) wrote: : In article <1993Oct27.130835.1695@uwasa.fi>, mah@uwasa.fi (Markku Hunnakko) writes: : > Wolfgang Loske (wloske@y.cip.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de) wrote: : > : Hi there, : > : > : o.k. we all know about Elite I, don't we. : > : > : Forget it. That does not mean that it isn't a VERY good game, but : > : we're talking about Frontier. : > : > : IMHO it is meant as a game for itself and not as a real sequel to : > : Elite I. But now, as I'm ready with reading all those postings : > : about Frontier, my questions: : > : > : 1) Is it that slow on 60000 as all of you say ? : > : > Did you mean 68000? If so, it's DEADLY slow! : I think it's ok. SHOULD have a bit more speed. : > : 2) If there is a lower detail level and does the game get faste : > : then (perhaps the same minimal graphics as Elite I) : > : > Yes, it gets faster. It may even got to 4 frames per sec. : Haha! You're talking about the worst case here! It's pretty smooth : in space, which is the important part of the game. About the worst case, that's something about 1 frame per sec. : > : 3) Is it possible, with the harder flight controls in mind, to hit : > : the enemy or even kill him ? : > : > Absolutely not. : Que? You must be bloody lucky to survive a longer time. : > : 4) Is the game really worth buying for 60000 : > : > It may be better to get 68040... : Yes, no doubt about that, but not all of us can afford such a beast. So I've heard... Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!ivgate!axolotl!mtask!Mickey.Calcara From: Mickey.Calcara@mtask.omahug.org (Mickey Calcara) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: CD^32 advert on telly Message-ID: <11.2cccd7ab@axolotl> Date: 23 Oct 93 23:30:30 CST Reply-To: mickey.calcara@mtask.omahug.org Organization: Multitasking Systems, Kansas City Sender: news@axolotl.omahug.org (UUscan 1.10) Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.games Lines: 2 Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!demon!micromuse!brains.genasys.co.uk!brains!mikes From: mikes@genasys.co.uk (Michael J. Sheppard) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Frontier AGA! Date: 27 Oct 1993 15:14:22 GMT Organization: Genasys II UK Lines: 19 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2am38e$gel@brains.genasys.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: brains.genasys.co.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Mike Noreen (Mike_Noreen@p14.anet.bbs.bad.se) wrote: : In the message * Re: Frontier AGA! * Jason wrote: : I agree. However, I liked the Frontier-Demo. I've never seen so detailed : vector graphics on the Amiga before. Nor on any other system, come to think : of it. Still, I see no reason to use 16 colours. It should have been able : to use 32. Lets hope the real game is. Correct me if I am wrong but 32 colours is the limit on a Non-AGA machine in a high-res video mode. So what you gain in colours you lose in image detail. Just my two pen'th. -- ////| Michael Sheppard E-mail : mikes@genasys.co.uk //// | System Administrator Voice : +44.(0)61.232.9444 ////__| GENASYS II Ltd Fax : +44.(0)61.232.9453 Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!news.funet.fi!news.cs.tut.fi!news.cs.tut.fi!e138678 From: e138678@kaarne.cs.tut.fi (Ekholm Vesa) Subject: Re: Any Frontier Tips? In-Reply-To: amiga@hosta.dircon.co.uk's message of Wed, 27 Oct 1993 18: 53:12 GMT Message-ID: Sender: usenet@news.cs.tut.fi (#Kotilo NEWS system ) Nntp-Posting-Host: kaarne.cs.tut.fi Organization: Tampere University of Technology References: <26OCT199312100898@vxcrna.cern.ch> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1993 09:19:47 GMT Lines: 23 >I have tried playing Frontier but have only had about 30 mins flying time. >The trouble is I can't seem to kill the pirates. I manage to hit them a few >times but they always either ram me or hit me with a missile. Anyone got any >tips? >By the way, how do you target a missile? I can't seem to find it. It looks like you don't have a manual. Am I correct? Oh boy, you really are paranoid, Dino... Perhaps the system is against us and is spreading copied games and we have to fight it. Let us form a white resistance group called 'White Paranoids Against Piracy' alias WPAP!!! Well, it was a joke , right? :) best wishes, Vesa... (BTW, Goal! is GREAT!!!) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dino Dini Dini & Dini Productions amiga@hosta.dircon.co.uk "The opinions expressed here *are* those of the company... we are the company." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- e138678@cc.tut.fi - e138678@cs.tut.fi - e138678@ee.tut.fi Do not believe in miracles -- rely on them. Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!pipex!dircon!hosta.dircon.co.uk!hosta!amiga From: amiga@hosta.dircon.co.uk (Dino Dini) Subject: Re: ENOUGH. LET'S DO IT NOW. (Frontier) Message-ID: Organization: Dini & Dini Productions References: <2am8h6$pjc@urmel.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1993 09:20:44 GMT Lines: 29 In <2am8h6$pjc@urmel.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> feinen@kaa.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Stephan Feinen) writes: >lykec@westminster.ac.uk writes: >> But those PC owners will have a 256 col version with texture mapping >>and a really good intro and have sampled speech......Still it probably takes 20 >>megs of HD space!!!! >> If there is an AGA version wont it be very slow on the 1200 with only >>2megs of chip RAM????? >The PC-version of frontier is SHORTER than the amiga version! >It has many overlay files but the total amount of used bytes is smaller >than on the amiga. >On a 386-40 you have smooth movement ONLY if you switch off texture >mapping! >The sound is WORSE than the amiga sound! There might be hope for owners >of a Roland-soundboard which is supported. >And the Amiga-version is cheaper :-) > >Live long and prosper > stephan How do you know this? Where have you got you PC version from? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dino Dini Dini & Dini Productions amiga@hosta.dircon.co.uk "The opinions expressed here *are* those of the company... we are the company." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!pipex!uknet!brunel!ccws-21.brunel.ac.uk!cs92aar From: cs92aar@brunel.ac.uk (Andrew Robertson) Subject: Re: FRONTIER (it really fooled me, but foo Message-ID: Sender: news@brunel.ac.uk (News supervisor) Nntp-Posting-Host: ccws-21.brunel.ac.uk Reply-To: cs92aar@brunel.ac.uk Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. References: <93301.002124MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1993 11:26:24 GMT Lines: 6 Yeah Ill be in it... Doea anyone know the address of Braben, GameTek, Konami... Andrew Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!news.funet.fi!sauna.cs.hut.fi!news.cs.hut.fi!apm From: apm@kikka.hut.fi (Antti Miettinen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Frontier boring? Nope! Date: 28 Oct 93 13:48:08 Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland Lines: 8 Distribution: inet Message-ID: References: <2akog3$lc3@mits.mdata.fi> <2alm04$od4@mits.mdata.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: kikka.hut.fi In-reply-to: oahvenla@snakemail.hut.fi's message of 27 Oct 93 19:00:42 GMT In article oahvenla@snakemail.hut.fi (Osma Ahvenlampi) writes: >BTW: I killed one Cruiser today with a 4MW beam laser. The station I was >near sent one Police Viper, which managed to crash itself to the station >just after launching. Reminds me of the one only time I was attacked by two pirates simultaneously. Guess what? They crashed into each other! :-) Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!sgiblab!news.cs.indiana.edu!tpbbs!charon.bloomington.in.us!sgberg From: sgberg@charon.bloomington.in.us (Stefan G. Berg) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: FRONTIER (it really fooled me, but fools no more) Message-ID: Date: 27 Oct 93 17:54:13 EST References: <2akkda$ku9@mits.mdata.fi> Reply-To: sgberg@charon.bloomington.in.us (Stefan Berg) Distribution: world Organization: Not an Organization X-NewsSoftware: GRn 2.0e Oct 23, 1993 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 19 In article <2akkda$ku9@mits.mdata.fi> jarnis@mits.mdata.fi (Jarno Kokko) writes: > Currently Frontier contains no game beyond few hours of fun, hell > I find ORIGINAL Elite more intersting after all these years simply > because it has working space combat which requires skill. And I thought combat in Elite was trivial. I mean, you take your Military laster, blast away half the enemies make a circle to cool off your lasers and finish off the rest. If Frontier combat is even easier than Elite, then it must be really trivial. Stefan -- ,-------------------------------------------------------, |Usenet sgberg@charon.bloomington.in.us Stefan G. Berg| |Internet sgberg@ucs.indiana.edu MIME // AMIGA | |Bitnet sgberg@iubacs GE Mail s.berg5 \X/ w/ bms | `-------------------------------------------------------' Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!xlink.net!math.fu-berlin.de!uniol!caty!cbmger!cbmehq!cbmden!kirkm!kdamgaard From: kdamgaard@kirkm.adsp.sub.org (Kenn Damgaard - KirkMoreno) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: FRONTIER (it really fooled me, but fools no more) Message-ID: Date: 29 Oct 93 18:50:33 GMT References: <2akkda$ku9@mits.mdata.fi> Organization: KirkMoreno Multimedia Lines: 47 Mailer-System: NewsMaster V3.0 Oh my, oh my... (No re-flame - Just another point of view) Well, I will not get my hands on Frontier until monday, so I can not (yet) back my remarks with hours of playing, but : ELITE *never* offered any challenge beyond the same firts 10-30 hours of playing!!! Combat was too easy (When You had built an Iron-ass, mind You). Trading got boring. Mining - don't even mention it Where were all the space-dredgers mentioned in the manual ? Did anyone ever find the Black Wheel ? Why did I go on then ? Easy! The freedom of choice. *I* created the game - not Mr. Braben. If You (as me) are born about 300 Years to early in the socalled spaceage, ELITE is one hell of a compensation!, and I expect FRONTIER to be even bigger - not because of what David Braben put into the game, but because of what I can get out of it! Keep in mind that FRONTIER has been hyped for at least a year now - It simply has to be a let-down if You want Mr. Braben to make it all happen. FRONTIER seems to offer a even greater 'universe' with even more options for a space-jock (Hell, I plan on finding out all I can about The Federation and The Empire before choosing sides - and then I'm going to stick with that side until some bastard gets lucky one evening and catches me off guard in alien skies.) For me it's going to be another adventure (and I thank David Braben for giving me that chance). --------------------------------------------------------------------- Best Regards, Kenn Damgaard kdamgaard@kirkm.adsp.sub.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- Trust me! I'm a developer... --------------------------------------------------------------------- "I wouldn't do that if I were You, Dave..." (HAL 9000; "Discovery" computer; c. 9694 PreImp.; Orbiting Jupiter) Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!news.funet.fi!klaava!klaava!not-for-mail From: lindblad@kruuna.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: FRONTIER (it really fooled me, but fools no more) Date: 31 Oct 1993 20:07:54 +0200 Organization: University of Helsinki Lines: 31 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2b0utq$r93@kruuna.Helsinki.FI> References: <2akkda$ku9@mits.mdata.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: kruuna.helsinki.fi X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Stefan G. Berg (sgberg@charon.bloomington.in.us) wrote: > In article <2akkda$ku9@mits.mdata.fi> jarnis@mits.mdata.fi (Jarno Kokko) writes: > > Currently Frontier contains no game beyond few hours of fun, hell > > I find ORIGINAL Elite more intersting after all these years simply > > because it has working space combat which requires skill. > And I thought combat in Elite was trivial. I mean, you take your > Military laster, blast away half the enemies make a circle to cool off > your lasers and finish off the rest. If Frontier combat is even > easier than Elite, then it must be really trivial. Space combat in Frontier is usually very easy - at least if one has large plasma accelerator, 50-70 shield generators etc. However I recently started travelling and found a nice little star called Ayurso. It seems like the local civil war does bring lots of pirates around and I actually got shot down once very quickly. I just saw a white mark on my scanner and suddenly shields started to fail rapidly and just before I exploded I managed to see the Imp trader (or some ship that looks like it) fireing me for the last time. So, I guess it is time for me to get rid of the heavy weight large plasma accelerator and buy a small one and use the extra space with shields... Jarkko "Still only competent - haven't played for a few days, but will play again very soon now" Lindblad -- Jarkko Lindblad | lindblad@cc.helsinki.fi| Never give your trust away -----------------------| You'll end up paying till your dying day - Black Sabbath - | Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!xlink.net!math.fu-berlin.de!uniol!caty!cbmger!imart.franken.de!incubus.sub.org!aargh!marc From: marc@aargh.adsp.sub.org (Marc 'Nepomuk' Heuler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Becoming rich and good at FRONTIER with ease (was: FRONTIER (It's MEGA!)) Message-ID: Date: 29 Oct 93 02:31:49 GMT References: <2a79k9$b93@mits.mdata.fi> Reply-To: marc@aargh.incubus.sub.org Organization: Data Design Lines: 57 X-Newsreader: Arn V1.02 In article <2a79k9$b93@mits.mdata.fi>, Jarno Kokko writes: > Anyway, anyone else got up to average/asp explorer yet? Me, and I'll tell you how. Right now I'm competent/constrictor, having 4 millions of money left. You start at Ross 154 system and sell *everything* you have except the auto pilot. You don't need missles, or weapons, nothing. Then you start off to Barnards Star, there you land in Boston Base (you should never try to land on a planet - you sold your Atmospheric Shielding, right?). Now buy Robots and Computers as much as you can afford/carry. Then fly to Sol, and land at Mars High. Here you look at the Bulletins for people looking for Computers/Robots. If there's nobody interested, fast-forward the whole day - next day's bulletins are different. You'll earn about $1200 per tonne, since people from the Bulletins pay twice the regular price. Now buy Luxury Goods. Take them back to Boston Base at Barnards Star and sell them normally, earn about $200-$300 per tonne. Repeat this until you can afford a larger ship. Finally you end up with the Puma or Panther Clipper, making more than a million per flight. Note well, you will *never* become attacked on this route, as long as you don't transport sensible small packages from suspicious persons :-) If you feel you have enough money for the next few virtual years, buy a Constrictor. Equipt it with Auto Refueler, Auto Pilot, A.Shielding, Naval ECM, Class 3 Military Drive, 2 Shield Generators, Radar Mapper, Hyp. Analyser, and a 4MW Beam Laser front mounted. If I didn't forget anything you should have 29 tons cargo left for military fuel. With this equiptment you can follow enemies (removal jobs), win nearly all fights (see below), fly large distances without refueling (several jumps, 15 light years each), survive energy bombs with none or 1 tonne damage, and so on. Excellent. Now look at the bulletins, people want you to fly small packages to some systems. Do only the $1000+ ones, since they automatically lead you into trouble. The more trouble you are in, the more enemies you kill. Your Elite ranking raises. For fighting, one easy technique makes fights a play for kids. When someone starts attacking you, turn off autopilot and accelerate as much as you can. Turn around your ship that the enemy is behind you. Look at the rear view and select the enemy as target. When you're around 10km far away from him, turn to front view and enable the autopilot. Now shoot until the other ship is 3km near, then toggle back to manual control and accelerate (not changing direction). The enemy starts shooting at around 2km distance, but can hardly hit you in manual mode. Repeat this when you're again 10km far away from him. This way takes some time (maybe 5 approaches average), but you lose only 1 out of 25 fights (save everytime you dock on a starport/space station). And you don't have to train fighting.. That's my whole secret up to now. Have fun! -- Wir geben dem Rassismus ein Zuhause, SPD. // Marc 'Nepomuk' Heuler - Amiga software developer - PGP 2.x key on demand \X/ UUCP: marc@aargh.incubus.sub.org ZNetz: marc%aargh@incubus.zer IRC: Nepi Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!news.cs.indiana.edu!tpbbs!charon.bloomington.in.us!sgberg From: sgberg@charon.bloomington.in.us (Stefan G. Berg) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: I saw the IBM Frontier Demo. Message-ID: Date: 29 Oct 93 17:33:24 EST References: <93301.232616MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> Reply-To: sgberg@charon.bloomington.in.us (Stefan Berg) Distribution: world Organization: Not an Organization X-NewsSoftware: GRn 2.0e Oct 23, 1993 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 15 In article <93301.232616MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> Mark 'Mark' Sachs writes: > > That's pretty much it. Oh yes, CTRL-C exits cleanly out of the IBM > version of the demo. :-/ Gripe, gripe. Where can I get this demo from? Stefan -- ,-------------------------------------------------------, |Usenet sgberg@charon.bloomington.in.us Stefan G. Berg| |Internet sgberg@ucs.indiana.edu MIME // AMIGA | |Bitnet sgberg@iubacs GE Mail s.berg5 \X/ w/ bms | `-------------------------------------------------------' Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!seunet!seunet!piraya!overdose!Mike_Noreen From: Mike_Noreen@p14.anet.bbs.bad.se (Mike Noreen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Elite II *** FLOP *** Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Oct 93 13:16:15 +0200 References: <2ajbjnEhfa@uni-erlangen.de> Sender: BadNet@piraya.bad.se Reply-To: Mike_Noreen@p14.anet.bbs.bad.se (Mike Noreen) Distribution: world Organization: De Profundis, Stockholm, Sweden OD-Comment-To: Wolfgang_Loske Lines: 32 In the message * Re: Elite II *** FLOP *** * Wolfgang wrote: WL> 1) Is it that slow on 60000 as all of you say ? Probably. Owning a A3000, I wouldn't know. :-) WL> 2) If there is a lower detail level and does the game get faste then WL> (perhaps the same minimal graphics as Elite I) You CAN lower the detail, and the lowest level looks pretty much like the old Elite. Don't know if it gets faster (I always use Highest), but I see no reason why it shouldn't. WL> 3) Is it possible, with the harder flight controls in mind, to hit the WL> enemy or even kill him ? It's DARN HARD, atleast if you're up against some of the smallest and most agile ships, like an Eagle fighter. Blowing them to bits is easy, getting them in the sight is not. If you've got a big/tough enough ship, one can try ramming them. (It's pretty easy to target a 2000 tonnes Panther Clipper, though. :-)) WL> 4) Is the game really worth buying for 60000 Doubtful. Seems like a good reason to get a faster machine, though... WL> Wolfgang MVH: Mike Noreen InterNet: radharc@p14.anet.bbs.bad.se FidoNet: 2:201/411.14 --- Spot 1.2b Unreg. Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!seunet!seunet!piraya!overdose!Mike_Noreen From: Mike_Noreen@p14.anet.bbs.bad.se (Mike Noreen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Waiting for FRONTIER II Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Oct 93 13:25:20 +0200 References: Sender: BadNet@piraya.bad.se Reply-To: Mike_Noreen@p14.anet.bbs.bad.se (Mike Noreen) Distribution: world Organization: De Profundis, Stockholm, Sweden OD-Comment-To: Hal_A._Lightwood Lines: 38 In the message * Waiting for FRONTIER II * Hal wrote: HAL> From: halightw@flash.LakeheadU.Ca (Hal A. Lightwood) HAL> After hearing about all the bugs and problems in Frontier I have HAL> somehow been convinced to wait for the next release, hopefully with Yes... Does anybody have an EMail address to send bugreports to? I've got a few, and a few suggestions for a possible new version aswell (ie, why can't you have all of the damage to your hull repaired at once?). HAL> these bugs fixed. It sounds like this game that I have waited almost a HAL> decade for, was sloppily put together. I bet if FIREBIRD had put it Rainbird. They were called Rainbird at the time. They became firebird when they left British Telecom, and started selling budget games. I still have the original, with a big beautiful Rainbird on it, somewhere around here. HAL> out, there wouldn't have been so many problems. What I really want to HAL> know is if these bugs seriously effect the playability of the game, or Well... To be honest, they do. There are two bugs which can be used unfairly to your advantage. Both of them have to do with travelling through space. HAL> are they just annoying extras features? Buggy automatic pilots and screwed-up mission rosters are annoying, but nothing more. They can easily be circumvented. The bugs above are worse. HAL> --- OD 0.0.1 HAL> * Origin: C.C.C. (92:901/1.0@BadNet) MVH: Mike Noreen InterNet: radharc@p14.anet.bbs.bad.se FidoNet: 2:201/411.14 --- Spot 1.2b Unreg. Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!news.funet.fi!news.lut.fi!veijalai From: veijalai@cc.lut.fi (Kimmo Veijalainen) Subject: Re: Waiting for FRONTIER II Sender: news@lut.fi (Usenet News) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1993 15:01:58 GMT References: Nntp-Posting-Host: cc.lut.fi Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland Mike_Noreen@p14.anet.bbs.bad.se (Mike Noreen) writes: >Rainbird. They were called Rainbird at the time. They became firebird when >they left British Telecom, and started selling budget games. I still have the >original, with a big beautiful Rainbird on it, somewhere around here. Wasn't it the other way around? I have an old poster on my wall with Firebird/Rainbird/Whateveritwas logos on it. I think the third label was for budget games... and all the old Elite boxes I've seen had that nice red Firebird logo on them. The silver-colored one was the rainbird logo... Starglider I was a Rainbird game, as was Carrier Command, so they did not sell budget games under the Rainbird label. -- _ C=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- _ // K.Veijalainen | GURPS aiheuttaa n{r{styst{ = \X/ veijalai@cc.lut.fi | Wanted: Free Beer. = Amiga C=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!seunet!seunet!piraya!overdose!Mike_Noreen From: Mike_Noreen@p14.anet.bbs.bad.se (Mike Noreen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Frontier MULTITASKS! Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Oct 93 13:35:28 +0200 References: <2ak8h1$jas@mits.mdata.fi> Sender: BadNet@piraya.bad.se Reply-To: Mike_Noreen@p14.anet.bbs.bad.se (Mike Noreen) Distribution: world Organization: De Profundis, Stockholm, Sweden OD-Comment-To: Jarno_Kokko Lines: 21 In the message * Re: Frontier MULTITASKS! * Jarno wrote: JK> MAIL A LETTER TO GAMETEK TODAY, DEMAND A BUG-FREE FRONTIER. (And an AGA JK> version if you have too new machine:-) Is there an internet adress one could write to? JK> (I'm mailing my letter in a day or two, making the bug-list wasn't hard, JK> but I want to include a ton of suggestions to improve the game. Few tiny JK> ones only needing a few byte tweak and separately few large ones which JK> are just daydreaming...) Ditto... (Despite the bugs, this is a great game. Don't anybody believe anything else!) JK> - Jarnis MVH: Mike Noreen InterNet: radharc@p14.anet.bbs.bad.se FidoNet: 2:201/411.14 --- Spot 1.2b Unreg. Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!seunet!seunet!piraya!overdose!Mike_Noreen From: Mike_Noreen@p14.anet.bbs.bad.se (Mike Noreen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Frontier boring? Nope! Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Oct 93 14:17:11 +0200 References: Sender: BadNet@piraya.bad.se Reply-To: Mike_Noreen@p14.anet.bbs.bad.se (Mike Noreen) Distribution: world Organization: De Profundis, Stockholm, Sweden OD-Comment-To: Matti_Rintala Lines: 46 In the message * Frontier boring? Nope! * Matti wrote: MR> Frontier is as boring as you make it to be. If you only look at your MR> rankings as a "score", then you've completely misunderstood the concept MR> of Frontier. I think so aswell... It seems to me that Frontier isn't really a game, it's ...how should I put it...it wants to get a Sense Of Wonder across to the player, and the gaming obscures this. The solar system, for instance, is correct to the smallest detail: the planets are of the correct size, on the correct distance from the sun, with the correct gravity and correct lengths of day and year. You can move around freely, and, for instance, watch Saturn rising over Titan. You can do complicated space-faring maneuvres like using planets gravity to increase your speed (slingshot). However, at the same time you can go around killing pirates and gathering money, and you don't have to bother about distractions such as multiple sunrises or slingshots. It feels to me as if the 'game' part is just glued on top of things, as if the programmer really just wanted to explore space, and threw in a bit of sex, drugs, and rock'n roll to make it sell... Frontier has the makings of a monumental game, of being 'the mother of all games', but it's not ready. It'd have needed perhaps another year of developing to iron out bugs and reconcile the gaming bit with the exploration bit. What's most needed, is better resistance (more big bad enemies -less 'flies'- and smarter and more accurate), more missions (REAL missions), and the possibility to discover unexpected things when you leave the three human realms. Perhaps a few of the add-ons should be modified aswell... Shield generators should be much bigger and more expensive, the docking computer could be scrapped altogether... I'd like it if there were 'fleets' out there to fight aswell, and the possibility of organising one oneself. Anyway, the space-battle bit has to be redone pretty much from scratch. Still, it's a great game until you reaches a certain level, no doubt about that. I heard that Braben plans on releasing 'mission disks'... That might do the trick. MR> Matti Rintala bitti@cs.tut.fi MVH: Mike Noreen InterNet: radharc@p14.anet.bbs.bad.se FidoNet: 2:201/411.14 --- Spot 1.2b Unreg. Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!seunet!seunet!piraya!overdose!Mike_Noreen From: Mike_Noreen@p14.anet.bbs.bad.se (Mike Noreen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Frontier AGA! Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Oct 93 14:45:27 +0200 References: <2am38e$gel@brains.genasys.co.uk> Sender: BadNet@piraya.bad.se Reply-To: Mike_Noreen@p14.anet.bbs.bad.se (Mike Noreen) Distribution: world Organization: De Profundis, Stockholm, Sweden OD-Comment-To: Michael_J._Sheppard Lines: 19 In the message * Re: Frontier AGA! * Michael wrote: MJS> colours. It should have been able : to use 32. Lets hope the real game MJS> is. MJS> Correct me if I am wrong but 32 colours is the limit on a Non-AGA MJS> machine in a high-res video mode. So what you gain in colours you lose MJS> in image detail. I think so. But unfortunately Frontier is in low-res (320x200), and could possibly have handled 32 colours (not sure. have never seen any 3-d game so detailed before). MJS> ////| Michael Sheppard E-mail : mikes@genasys.co.uk MVH: Mike Noreen InterNet: radharc@p14.anet.bbs.bad.se FidoNet: 2:201/411.14 --- Spot 1.2b Unreg. Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!math.fu-berlin.de!uniol!caty!cbmger!imart.franken.de!incubus.sub.org!aargh!marc From: marc@aargh.adsp.sub.org (Marc 'Nepomuk' Heuler) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Solution to autopilot-crash in Frontier Message-ID: Date: 30 Oct 93 00:31:28 GMT References: <1993Oct26.210804.12829@ifi.uio.no> <2aka07$jib@mits.mdata.fi> Reply-To: marc@aargh.incubus.sub.org Organization: Data Design Lines: 13 X-Newsreader: Arn V1.02 In article <2aka07$jib@mits.mdata.fi>, Jarno Kokko writes: > Also no beta tester could have passed the ship repair 'feature' which requires > you to click mouse/press button for EVERY DAMN 0.25t of hull you repair, > yes, that means 400 t of hull damage = 2400 CLICKS! Auto repair You can use the keyboard, it's repeating then. -- Die P*st verdient an Vornamen weniger, als an Nachnahmen. // Marc 'Nepomuk' Heuler - Amiga software developer - PGP 2.x key on demand \X/ UUCP: marc@aargh.incubus.sub.org ZNetz: marc%aargh@incubus.zer IRC: Nepi Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!news.cs.indiana.edu!tpbbs!charon.bloomington.in.us!sgberg From: sgberg@charon.bloomington.in.us (Stefan G. Berg) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: PC/Amiga Frontier demo compared Message-ID: Date: 30 Oct 93 09:32:47 EST Reply-To: sgberg@charon.bloomington.in.us (Stefan Berg) Distribution: world Organization: Not an Organization X-NewsSoftware: GRn 2.0e Oct 23, 1993 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 54 I just downloaded the frontier demo for MSDOS and compared it to the Amiga demo. The sequence of pictures in the two demos are exactly identical. The only big difference I noticed right away was the texture mapping. I really like the way the galaxies were done in the PC version. On the Amiga you just have those blue patches, the PC version offers a much more interesting background. The buildings also looked quite nice, but as a whole, the texture mapping makes things look a little fuzzy at times. For example those building look just like a jumble of pixels when they overlap each other. The problem is that the texture mapping eliminates the sharp edges. For those who have no idea what texture mapping is, in the Frontier demo the main texture mapping seen consists of a lot of small grey strips in various grey colors (makes it look somewhat like a stone surface). On the enemy ships the texture mapping looks quite bad. They look like they were carved out of stone... There was practically no variety in the texture mapping. Only the building had a somewhat different texture mapping which actually made them look quite real. I did not have any sound on the PC version, the internal speaker is not supported. Speed-wise the Amiga seemed to be doing a little better. I ran the PC demo on a 33MHz 486DX and the Amiga demo on a 28MHz 040 (Amiga 500). The PC version isn't perfectly smooth. Sometimes the frames seem to jump back and forth just a tiny bit (like the camera is shaking). I noticed a frame rate slowdown when the big space ship approach right at the end. This slowdown was not noticable on my Amiga 500. The color problem does not exist in the PC version, I guess because it has 256 colors available. However the graphics _are_ identical. I didn't notice any more colors being displayed on the PC version, just the color swapping is eliminated. The PC version uses the same low resolution the Amiga version does (which looks quite awful on the very sharp NEC monitor I am using on the 486... on a 1084 things look a little less jagged). That's about it. I believe there is no reason to be jealous for either side. They look very much the same. The texture mapping has its nice features, but can be annoying, too. Also it might be the reason for the somewhat less perfect animation on the PC. The PC version has several files associated with the demo, but came to about the same file size as the Amiga. Stefan -- ,-------------------------------------------------------, |Usenet sgberg@charon.bloomington.in.us Stefan G. Berg| |Internet sgberg@ucs.indiana.edu MIME // AMIGA | |Bitnet sgberg@iubacs GE Mail s.berg5 \X/ w/ bms | `-------------------------------------------------------' Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!wupost!waikato!comp.vuw.ac.nz!fballara From: Francesco.Ballara@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Francesco Ballara) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Frontiers..... Date: 30 Oct 1993 09:53:28 GMT Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <2atdio$i2t@st-james.comp.vuw.ac.nz> References: <1993Oct29.110948.25353@cc.ic.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: regent.comp.vuw.ac.nz Keywords: Help In article <1993Oct29.110948.25353@cc.ic.ac.uk>, Conrad Winchester wrote about a constant speed vector: > then invariably find that my ACTUAL velocity vector was almost frozen. My Have you tried setting your selected speed to 0, then selecting maximum time speedup. It takes time to decelerate from 1000 m/s Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!cf-cm!cybaswan!cekift From: cekift@swan.pyr (m h kift) Subject: Re: Frontiers..... Message-ID: <1993Oct30.105422.8995@swan.pyr> Keywords: Help Organization: Swansea University College References: <1993Oct29.110948.25353@cc.ic.ac.uk> <2atdio$i2t@st-james.comp.vuw.ac.nz> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1993 10:54:22 GMT Lines: 18 In article <2atdio$i2t@st-james.comp.vuw.ac.nz> Francesco.Ballara@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Francesco Ballara) writes: >In article <1993Oct29.110948.25353@cc.ic.ac.uk>, >Conrad Winchester wrote about a constant speed vector: > >> then invariably find that my ACTUAL velocity vector was almost frozen. My > >Have you tried setting your selected speed to 0, then selecting maximum >time speedup. It takes time to decelerate from 1000 m/s This won't work, since you can't accelerate time when being attacked. How about this. When being attacked, selected teh attacking ship and switch to autopilot. I can't remember for sure (wince I have only been playing the game for a few hours) but this should turn you around I think. It also makes targetting much MUCH easier 8) Martin Kift Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!news.funet.fi!nntp.hut.fi!nntp.hut.fi!oahvenla From: oahvenla@snakemail.hut.fi (Osma Ahvenlampi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Frontiers..... Date: 31 Oct 93 15:39:00 GMT Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland Lines: 43 Distribution: inet Message-ID: References: <1993Oct29.110948.25353@cc.ic.ac.uk> <2atdio$i2t@st-james.comp.vuw.ac.nz> <1993Oct30.105422.8995@swan.pyr> NNTP-Posting-Host: lk-hp-6.hut.fi In-reply-to: cekift@swan.pyr's message of Sat, 30 Oct 1993 10:54:22 GMT In article <1993Oct30.105422.8995@swan.pyr> cekift@swan.pyr (m h kift) writes: >In article <2atdio$i2t@st-james.comp.vuw.ac.nz> Francesco.Ballara@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Francesco Ballara) writes: >>In article <1993Oct29.110948.25353@cc.ic.ac.uk>, >>Conrad Winchester wrote about a constant speed vector: >> >>> then invariably find that my ACTUAL velocity vector was almost frozen. My >> >>Have you tried setting your selected speed to 0, then selecting maximum >>time speedup. It takes time to decelerate from 1000 m/s >This won't work, since you can't accelerate time when being attacked. >How about this. When being attacked, selected teh attacking ship and switch >to autopilot. I can't remember for sure (wince I have only been playing >the game for a few hours) but this should turn you around I think. It also >makes targetting much MUCH easier 8) Argh... The velocity vector is NOT "locked". It's just shown as relative to the greatest mass around, usually the nearest star, or when you're very near to a planet, to that. When you're traveling several thousand kilometers per second relative to the star of the system, you are NOT going be able to change the direction not speed too much during one combat with even the 28G acceleration some ships give. However, if your velocity vector was shown relative to the opponent, it would be much less, usually some hunderds or maybe thousands of kilometers per hour, and changing constantly. Admitted, it would be nice if you could tell the computer to show your speed relative to the target. Remember, things are relative. The attacking ship more or less matches its velocity with you, that is, you're both traveling at great speed towards the system you happened to tell the autopilot to go to. Just ignore the velocity indicators. They are of use only when going to an orbit. Speaking of orbits, if you're able to calculate the right velocity vector to put you on a crossing orbit with the destination planet, you'll be able to get there either with much less fuel consumption in the same time, or much faster with the same fuel consumption (or anything in between), than with the autopilot. In space, the straight line rarely is the fastest (or shortest, calculated with delta v) route between two points. -- Osma Ahvenlampi - oahvenla@snakemail.hut.fi - finger or mail for PGP key Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cyber2.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!amsbbs!Dean_Husby From: Dean_Husby@amsbbs.bc.ca (Dean Husby) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Frontier demo is _CRA Message-ID: Date: 30 Oct 93 19:57:55 PDT Organization: Amiga Mail System BBS Lines: 58 > Path: > vanbc.wimsey.com!cyber2.cyberstore.ca!nwnexus!uunet!munnari.oz.au!goan > na.cs.rmit.oz.au!aggedor.rmit.OZ.AU!minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU!s934146 > From: s934146@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (Jonathan David Benson) > Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games > Subject: Re: Frontier demo is _CRAP_ > Date: 29 Oct 1993 07:40:23 GMT > Organization: Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology, Melbourne, > Australia. > Lines: 22 > Distribution: inet > Message-ID: <2aqhd7$ddq@aggedor.rmit.OZ.AU> > References: > > <9329509.7568@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> <1993Oct24.202006.4875@bradford.ac.uk> > > NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au > > jkempnic@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (Jason Kempnich) writes: > > >Some life will return to the Amiga scene if games designers forget > about: > >1) Non-AGA machines. > >2) Non-Hard disk machines. > > >Any comments? > > Yeah, since it will probably be another 3-4 years b4 I can afford/want > to > get an AGA machine, I agree with you on all but the AGA part. I have > an > Amiga 500 with a GVP A530 and 4MB 32bit RAM. So I'd still love to see > games developed for the 020+/882/lotsa RAM/HD equipped machines. Why I > am > planning on buying Frontier and Hired Guns. If they live up to > everything > I've read about them. > > Jonathan. > With the exception of the 882 you have the SAME system as me! I'm having a problem with my downloading. If I download (Using my 14.4) and writing to the HD (Downloading to the HD) I get errors. (It doesnt' seem to use the cts/rts) but downloading to ram works fine. (as does disk). Any ideas??? Dean --- * AmiQWK II 1.0b * -- Via DlgQWK v0.71a Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!utah-morgan!hellgate.utah.edu!lanl!beta.lanl.gov!masten From: masten@beta.lanl.gov (David A. Masten) Subject: Frontier - plot??? Message-ID: <1993Oct30.135736.4484@newshost.lanl.gov> Sender: news@newshost.lanl.gov Organization: Los Alamos National Laboratory Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1993 13:57:36 GMT Lines: 16 I've been trying to follow the Frontier posts, but might have missed any discussion on this. Basically, is there a story? Or do you just fly, trade, fly, trade, fight, fight till you have a super-ship? With, I assume, random encounters with the Thargoids? Can you choose a career in the military? How different will that be, if so? I'm only familiar with the PC version of Elite Plus. Yes, I know, not a Braben game. In that one, you just received occasional "missions" at very odd intervals. Few and far between. Is Frontier like that? Thanks, Dave masten@beta.lanl.gov Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!news.eunet.fi!prime.mdata.fi!mits.mdata.fi!not-for-mail From: jarnis@mits.mdata.fi (Jarno Kokko) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Frontier - plot??? Date: 30 Oct 1993 22:08:34 +0200 Organization: Microdata International Telecomm Service, Helsinki, Finland Lines: 22 Message-ID: <2auhk2$ine@mits.mdata.fi> References: <1993Oct30.135736.4484@newshost.lanl.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: mits.mdata.fi >Basically, is there a story? Or do you just fly, trade, fly, trade, >fight, fight till you have a super-ship? With, I assume, random >encounters with the Thargoids? Can you choose a career in the military? >How different will that be, if so? No there is no story. And NO THARGOIDS! You can choose to work either with Imperium or Federation, and rise military rank (known as title in the Imperium). Military stuff goes alongside everything else. Military mainly gives you few (4-5) other mission types to choose from. not much. Also I think you can gain Military drive 4 thru ranks, but I can not confirm this. >Braben game. In that one, you just received occasional "missions" at >very odd intervals. Few and far between. Is Frontier like that? no, you can choose small missions from bulletin board or ask them from military. There is very few basic mission types and places, times and people are randomly generated each time. megabooooring. - Jarnis Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!dct.ac.uk!mcscs2wji From: mcscs2wji@dct.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: How slow ARRRGGGGGGG ( Frontier ) Message-ID: <1993Oct30.153254.8283@dct.ac.uk> Date: 30 Oct 93 15:32:54 GMT References: Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology Lines: 25 In article , nsj@metagen.co.uk (Nick Jarret) writes: > I have a bog standard A500, and Frontier is allmost > unplayable !!! What sort of power do I need to get > it up to speed ? > > I have thinking about an apgrade for a while, trouble > is I have a 120Mb SCSI drive, a second external drive > 3 Mb ram, which I won't be able to use on a A1200, > or a decent accelerator !!!!!!!! > > What should I do ? > > > Nick It runs real sweetly on my GVP A530 equipped A500 in "Very High" detail mode. I'd say if you can't get a good price for your machine, buy an accelerator. But I would still be tempted to buy an A1200 (it works quite well on a bog-standard A1200) and then if Braben releases a 256 colour AGA version you can play that too! :-) Cheers, Bil Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!trane.uninett.no!news.eunet.no!nuug!news.eunet.fi!fuug!fipnet!elfuerte!harry From: harry@elfuerte.fipnet.fi (Harri Pesonen) Subject: Re: Frontier HAS a cleanup-code that works.. Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games References: X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Message-ID: Date: 30 Oct 93 15:18:21 GMT+2 Organization: Fipnet, Helsinki, Finland Lines: 20 Teemu Suikki (tsuikki@surukuku.cc.lut.fi) wrote: > I took a look at the Frontier binary yesterday.. There is a piece of code, > that closes all libraries (graphics, intuition), restores OS copperlist etc. > I patched it a little, so that when you select Lave as starting system, it > will call that cleanup code. > It works! It returns to system perfectly! And my WB is in Super72 mode, > running on A4000/040.. > I'll take a closer look today, perhaps I can hack it so nicely that it exits > when you press the exit-gadget in prefs screen.. Why don't you fix all the other bugs also? At least the BBS bug should be very easy to fix. Then you could release your special bug-free version... :-) Just joking! -- Harri Pesonen harry@elfuerte.fipnet.fi Spellbound with Amiga CD32 Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!news.chalmers.se!dtek.chalmers.se!d1pelle From: d1pelle@dtek.chalmers.se (Pelle Bokedal) Subject: Re: Frontier - major bug Message-ID: Sender: news@news.chalmers.se Nntp-Posting-Host: hacke4.dtek.chalmers.se Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg Sweden References: <2af2b3$gpa@mits.mdata.fi> Distribution: inet Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1993 18:08:18 GMT Lines: 25 etjunior@ci.ua.pt (B.Junior) writes: > it seems you are very advanced !!! It doesnt take long if you start trading robots from Boston station to Earth and Luxury goods the other way. I sold the 1MW Pulse laser and the missiles (No real use for them because there arent many pirates around) Buy a bigger ship as fast as you can and look out for WANTED Robots on the bulletin board system. If you are lucky you earn 1200 a ton with robots > I'm at start yet !! Only have 1200$ !! Do you have any hint >to make money fast ?? now i'm trading computer betwen solar system and >Birmingan world at Boston station !! Just keep it up :) / Pelle Bokedal soon to buy a 2000 ton ship. -- | Chalmers | USENET: d1pelle@dtek.chalmers.se | "Carpe Diem, Seize the Day" | |University | SNAIL: Pelle Bokedal | | | of | Stuartsgatan 6 | Horace, 65-8 B.C. | |Technology | 412 60 Gothenburg SWEDEN | | Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!psinntp!psinntp!max.physics.sunysb.edu!dtiberio From: dtiberio@ic.sunysb.edu (David Tiberio) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Frontier - major bug Date: 31 Oct 1993 18:57:20 GMT Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook Lines: 35 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <2b11qg$683@max.physics.sunysb.edu> References: <2af2b3$gpa@mits.mdata.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: csws7.ic.sunysb.edu In article d1pelle@dtek.chalmers.se (Pelle Bokedal) writes: >It doesnt take long if you start trading robots from Boston station to >Earth and Luxury goods the other way. I disagree... robots are not very good business. Let's say you buy them for 500cr and sell for 900cr, maybe 1500cr if you are lucky. Or, you could do what I do and buy narcotics for 500cr, sell them for 1200cr, or 3100cr if you are lucky at the bulliten boards. You make money much faster, and rarely get caught by police. Also, as far as selling all your equipment except autopilot, that is true it gives you space, but it is not true that you cannot land on planest. You can land on planets without the atmospheric device if the planet has no atmosphere. I suggest buying narcotics in 70 Ophiuchi and selling them in either Arcturus or Wolf. However, usually there is a limited supply when buying so you have to go to different stations in order to buy 50t or so. And when you fight battles, dont use 2 shield generators. Get around 20 of them. :) Much easier to win battles. -- Area52 Amiga Technical Support, Long Island, New York (516) 476-1615 "Amiga Online Reference Manual... sure to cause cranial expansion." - Joe Rockhopper, Antarctic Sales Representative Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!concert!uvaarpa!liberty!jspeton From: jspeton@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Jean-Guy D. Speton) Subject: Frontier Rankings Message-ID: <1993Oct30.205337.22830@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1993 20:53:37 GMT Organization: Washington & Lee University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 23 Has anyone found a Federation planet that offers a good assortment of military missions? Something along the lines of Facece in the Imperial Systems. I can sometimes get 7 or 8 missions all to one planet. Also, has anyone noticed that about half the time when doing an assassination mission the target never shows up at the appointed time? This is really annoying... Also: what is everyone's favorite 'killing' ship? Since I have 2.5M+ cash and mainly want to increase my Imperial ranking, I use a constrictor with class 3 military drive, 5 shields, and 4MW beam. I can go 15LY with 1 jump and can usually beat any target to a hyperspace point (usually by a day or two). I'm a Corporal/Squire/Competent. Has anyone gotten Dangerous yet? I remember in ELite it took me forever to get to Dangerous. See ya... -- Jean-Guy Speton \ "Don't just stand there and shout it, \ jspeton@wlu.edu \ do something about it..." - ML Gore \ IRC: Spinner Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!pipex!dircon!hosta.dircon.co.uk!hosta!amiga From: amiga@hosta.dircon.co.uk (Dino Dini) Subject: FRONTIER BUGS Message-ID: Organization: Dini & Dini Productions Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1993 11:09:23 GMT Lines: 24 Hello all you legitimate Frontier players, There seems to be a lot of talk about bugs in Frontier. Well, as it happens I can get any bug reports you have to David Braben himself. Mail me with your bugs and I'll make sure he gets the details. Please state exactly how, when and where the bug occurs and the frequency of occurance (i.e. every time you play, very rarely, etc.). *THIS IS MOST IMPORTANT*. Keep your reports concise and to the point. I will not bother with unclear bug reports, e.g. things such as "I am not sure how it happened, but once I was hyperspacing somewhere and I pressed a button (not sure which one) and the game crashed". Virtualy no help at all to a programmer I'm afraid. Regards, Dino Dini -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dino Dini Dini & Dini Productions amiga@hosta.dircon.co.uk "The opinions expressed here *are* those of the company... we are the company." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!xlink.net!fauern!rrze.uni-erlangen.de!y.cip.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de!wloske From: wloske@y.cip.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de (Wolfgang Loske) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Again it's FRONTIER. Is it anoying or not ? Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1993 16:08:25 GMT Organization: Regionales Rechenzentrum Erlangen, Germany Message-ID: <2b0ntpE3sh@uni-erlangen.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: cipy.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de Lines: 39 Summary: Frontier Keywords: Frontier Ok. guys and girls I just have read the most postings about this GREAT game called FRONTIER. How many of you have accelerated machines ? How many of you use a harddrive and who not, does he complain when he had to change disks sometimes. How many of you have more than 1Mbyte of memory. Think about it and then tell me please, why is there still a need to sell such a game with one disk and one executable with ~600kbyte. I still think, it is a good game, but a little more efford on the game (All those ideas posted in this group should be realized with on more disk, perhaps a mission disk with a FRONTIER MISSION DISK PART II in mind) and all of us never had any time to complain about FRONTIER, because we would never exit the game. But now it's no precaution, it's boring. Please, Mr. Braben, rethink your work, and if you kept the source, release a Version called THE FINAL FRONTIER. The actually released version does not look like that. Bye Wolfgang --- ----------------------------------------------------------- Mankind is more efficient with a bicycle. The computer is nothing else than a bicycle for the brain ! -- Steve Jobbs ----------------------------------------------------------- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!olivea!decwrl!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!mizar.cc.umanitoba.ca!yuthas From: yuthas@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Trin Yuthasastrackosol) Subject: Frontier.exe: Is this what you get?? Message-ID: Sender: news@ccu.umanitoba.ca Nntp-Posting-Host: kirk.cc.umanitoba.ca Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1993 18:37:26 GMT Lines: 12 I've just DL'd and viewed the frontier demo and liked it muchly. For those of you who have it, how similiar is the demo to the actual game? Also, if it is exactly the same, what detail level is the demo set at? The graphics did seem to be pretty...well...simple. OH yes....on an unexpanded A500 the demo moves at a dead crawl...but with a supraturbo 28, the difference is incredible! I also had some problems getting it to run..I set my stack to 100K and it worked fine. Ciao! -- Trin Dominic Yuthasastrakosol | We are like discrete sheep; we Dept. Pharmacology and Therapeutics | wait to see how the drove is going University of Manitoba | and then we follow the drove. Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!news.funet.fi!news.cs.tut.fi!news.cs.tut.fi!bitti From: bitti@korppi.cs.tut.fi (Matti Rintala) Subject: Re: Frontier.exe: Is this what you get?? In-Reply-To: yuthas@ccu.umanitoba.ca's message of Sun, 31 Oct 1993 18: 37:26 GMT Message-ID: Sender: usenet@news.cs.tut.fi (#Kotilo NEWS system ) Nntp-Posting-Host: cs.tut.fi Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Finland References: Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 07:19:55 GMT Lines: 25 >>>>> " " == Trin Yuthasastrackosol writes: > muchly. For those of you who have it, how similiar is the demo > to the actual game? Also, if it is exactly the same, what > detail level is the demo set at? The graphics did seem to be > pretty...well...simple. OH yes....on an unexpanded A500 the The demo is straight from the intro sequence of the game, with the second best detail level (to which Frontier defaults when you start it). Otherwise, the game look spretty much like the demo (except that I run it with the highest detail level on my A4000/040, which makes it somewhat nicer-looking). If the graphics look simple, well, that's what you get with vector graphics. In my opinion the best thing about Frontier is that EVERYTHING is done with vectors, from ships to planets, clouds and smoketrails of missiles. Makes the game very, well, consistent. I mean, it gives the impression that you really live in a universe made out of vectors, not that vectors are just used to represent things that the computer is not able to show. > Trin Dominic Yuthasastrakosol | We are like discrete sheep; we -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matti Rintala bitti@cs.tut.fi ******************************************************************************* "Time is a drug. Too much of it kills you."(from Small Gods by Terry Pratchett) Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!xlink.net!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!iraul1!s_walter From: s_walter@iraul1 (Tobias Walter) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Frontier PATCH to enable exit gadget in prefs screen Date: 31 Oct 1993 18:46:23 GMT Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany Lines: 14 Message-ID: <2b115v$g4d@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: iraul1.ira.uka.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] The exit patch recently posted works fine, but there is still a major problem left: Frontier doesn't use OwnBlitter() (or any other blitter arbitration protocol). If a background program (fx TrapDoor) outputs something to screen, there is a good chance of a bad blit. This won't cause just messed up graphics - it will crash the machine. It would be nice if 'frontierpatch' fixes this one, too. An easy solution is to insert OwnBlitter() in the init routine and DisownBlitter() in exit. This would block any other blitter using task, but it's better than nothing. -- Tobias Walter - top@mil.ka.sub.org - Top@IRC Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!nessie!axp4.ast.man.ac.uk!ajh From: ajh@ast.man.ac.uk (Anthony J Holloway) Subject: Frontier Bugs have been fixed... Message-ID: <1993Nov1.094342.8986@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Lines: 25 Sender: ajh@axp4.ast.man.ac.uk (Anthony J Holloway) Reply-To: ajh@ast.man.ac.uk (Anthony J Holloway) Organization: OrgFreeware Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 09:43:42 GMT -- I have just purchased the UK release of Frontier. In the binary is Release to Gametek V1.02 The flickering nebula and bulletin board bugs have been fixed. So either those people complaining are playing an early pirate version or should enquire about getting an upgrade. Ant. ******************************************************************************* Anthony Holloway * E-mail : ajh@ast.man.ac.uk * Astronomy Postgrads * Phone : 061-275-2000 ext 4232 * Manchester University * * England. * * ******************************************************************************* Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!aun.uninett.no!news.uit.no!stud.cs.uit.no!stigs From: stigs@stud.cs.uit.no (Stig-Lennart Soerensen) Subject: Re: Frontier - plot??? Sender: news@news.uit.no (News admin.) Message-ID: <1993Nov1.111124.3339@news.uit.no> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 11:11:24 GMT References: <1993Oct30.135736.4484@newshost.lanl.gov> <2auhk2$ine@mits.mdata.fi> Organization: University of Tromsoe Lines: 31 In the Elite game there were rumoured to be these large generation ships floating around. Has anyone a positive identification of an encounter with these ships? Or heard of any story of this? I once met in Elite (on my oldie C-128) an asteroid ship in the middle of nowwhere mining on some asteroids. The ship (which was placed VERY close to some asteroids) was placed out into nowwhere and the percentage of probality that I should have found it, would have been very small. Anyway since Braben seem to have implemented a lot of library data from the TRAVELLER and MEGATRAVELLER role playing game, I hope/suppose that in Frontier, that aliens such as the Zhodani COULD appear. Apart from the libray data, it seems also that he has used the explanations of the hyperspace rules from the RPG and a lot of the trading stuff. Stig, o--------------------------------------------o |Stig-Lennart Sørensen, the ace whale-killer | |E-Mail:stigs@stud.cs.uit.no | |Institute of Psychology. | |Mail:Stig-Lennart Sørensen, | | Kveldstuavegen 13 | | 9013 Tromsø | | Norway | | __|__ | | --o--o--(_)--o--o-- Fly me away... | | | |Dagens motto: | |Say nay to aussie soaps! | o--------------------------------------------o Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!glasgow!shawad From: shawad@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Alan D Shaw) Subject: Re: Frontier Bugs have been fixed... Message-ID: Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept. References: <1993Nov1.094342.8986@nessie.mcc.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 11:47:42 GMT Lines: 22 ajh@ast.man.ac.uk (Anthony J Holloway) writes: >-- >I have just purchased the UK release of Frontier. > > In the binary is Release to Gametek V1.02 >The flickering nebula and bulletin board bugs have been fixed. Get your eyes checked m8!!! My version is also 1.02, and the Milky Way still flickers, and the bbs bug is still there too... Al. (Just about to buy a Constrictor, and all the trimmings :) ) (Who says crime doesnt pay!!) (It pays the police when I bribe 'em with 250 creds to let me off though!!) (Soz why does my record say attempted bribery???) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!doc.ic.ac.uk!cc.ic.ac.uk!conrad From: conrad@spva.ph.ic.ac.uk (Conrad Winchester) Subject: Re: Frontiers..... Message-ID: <1993Nov1.115700.27732@cc.ic.ac.uk> Keywords: Help Nntp-Posting-Host: prawn.sp.ph Organization: Imperial College of Science, Technology, and Medicine, London, England References: <1993Oct29.110948.25353@cc.ic.ac.uk> <2atdio$i2t@st-james.comp.vuw.ac.nz> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 93 11:56:59 GMT Lines: 35 In article <2atdio$i2t@st-james.comp.vuw.ac.nz>, Francesco.Ballara@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Francesco Ballara) writes: |> In article <1993Oct29.110948.25353@cc.ic.ac.uk>, |> Conrad Winchester wrote about a constant speed vector: |> |> > then invariably find that my ACTUAL velocity vector was almost frozen. My |> |> Have you tried setting your selected speed to 0, then selecting maximum |> time speedup. It takes time to decelerate from 1000 m/s Well I was aproverbial d**khead wasn't I. I apologize for slandering Frontiers like that. I've sussed out most of the controls now and am even mostly harmless. This game is just like Elite (!:-)), I mean it really does play like Elite and I am completely hooked. As for the "bugs" that other people mention, the ONLY one I know that really is a bug is the bulletin board one and that certainly doesn't mar my enjoyment of the game. I mean I the game would lose a certain je ne sais quoi if the docking computer was perfect, I mean you can just turn it on and off again quickly if you are going to crash and it realigns quite nicely. This really is a good game ! I have played it for almost 48 hours non stop and am really getting into it and it hasn't crashed once. So all you gloom mongers, leave it alone, if you can write a game that has a whole galaxy ( whether or not you see much of it ) and then allows you to fly to a planet land near a house and even see the doors and the windows ( London is a massive city in the game by the way), and is still incredibly playable, then you might be qualified to criticize, but me I think it is really rather splendid. Once I get my big ship I'm going exploring..... Conrad Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!chnews!bard.intel.com!bmcinto From: bmcinto@gomez.intel.com (Baird McIntosh) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Frontier: PC versus Amiga Date: 29 Oct 1993 21:35:46 GMT Organization: IAL, Intel Corp, Santa Clara, CA Lines: 22 Distribution: world Message-ID: <2as2biINNbf9@bard.intel.com> References: <1993Oct29.140411@cs.utwente.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: cloves.intel.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Frank Tempelman (tempelma@cs.utwente.nl) wrote: > Sound > ===== > PC used for playing only has an internal speaker: just beeps. Comparision not > possible. As a sidenote, lots of criticism has been put forward on this group > with regard to the sound in the Amiga version. Not by me, however: I like it. > The not-so-superb music brings back a nice nostalgic feeling, which is very > appropriate for this game. I agree. The music from the demo (all I have), while not using the best instrument samples, is still fairly well arranged and not bad for space flight. And the timing of the music to the graphics, in the demo, is quite good. I agree with the nostalgic feeling comment, too. Is there any more music in the game, or is the demo music all there is? Baird ---------------------------------------------------------------- Baird McIntosh email: bmcinto@gomez.intel.com /* BLAZEMONGER Complimentary Customer Diagnostic Program */ main(){int *p=0;while(1)sprintf(p+=13,"ENFORCE THIS!");} ================================================================ Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!utciva.civ.utwente.nl!infnews.cs.utwente.nl!tempelma From: tempelma@cs.utwente.nl (Frank Tempelman) Subject: Re: Frontier: PC versus Amiga Message-ID: <1993Nov1.150729@cs.utwente.nl> Sender: usenet@cs.utwente.nl Nntp-Posting-Host: glenfiddich.cs.utwente.nl Organization: Twente University, Dept. of Computer Science References: <1993Oct29.140411@cs.utwente.nl> <2as2biINNbf9@bard.intel.com> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 14:07:29 GMT In article <2as2biINNbf9@bard.intel.com>, bmcinto@gomez.intel.com (Baird McIntosh) writes: |> Frank Tempelman (tempelma@cs.utwente.nl) wrote: |> > Sound |> > ===== |> > PC used for playing only has an internal speaker: just beeps. Comparision not |> > possible. As a sidenote, lots of criticism has been put forward on this group |> > with regard to the sound in the Amiga version. Not by me, however: I like it. |> > The not-so-superb music brings back a nice nostalgic feeling, which is very |> > appropriate for this game. |> |> I agree. The music from the demo (all I have), while not using the best |> instrument samples, is still fairly well arranged and not bad for space |> flight. And the timing of the music to the graphics, in the demo, is quite |> good. I agree with the nostalgic feeling comment, too. |> |> Is there any more music in the game, or is the demo music all there is? There's a total of eight songs. Six of them are classical pieces of music. The other two are composed for the game. |> |> Baird |> ---------------------------------------------------------------- |> Baird McIntosh email: bmcinto@gomez.intel.com |> /* BLAZEMONGER Complimentary Customer Diagnostic Program */ |> main(){int *p=0;while(1)sprintf(p+=13,"ENFORCE THIS!");} |> ================================================================ -- --- Frank Tempelman / Dept. of Computer Science / Knowledge Based Systems Group University of Twente / The Netherlands / tempelma@cs.utwente.nl from 9 to 5 Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!doc.ic.ac.uk!news.sys.uea.ac.uk From: u9219846@oxygen.sys.uea.ac.uk (T. Peers) Subject: Re: Frontiers..... Message-ID: Keywords: Help Sender: news@sys.uea.ac.uk Organization: University of East Anglia References: <1993Oct29.110948.25353@cc.ic.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 14:24:09 GMT Lines: 41 RIGHT THEN! I FINALLY have this game, and, as I hoped, I can begin to set some of our 'bug-spotters' right. FIRSTLY: THE DREADED LOCKED SPEED VECTOR!!! I dont know if I have ever come across this bug in truth, but there is a very simple phenomenon which could explain most of what has been reported. Ladies, Gentlemen, Neutered Aliens, please look at your speed indicator more closely. THRILL as, when you reach a high speed in Km/h, it switches to Km/sec! GASP as you realise that the reason the damn thing takes so long to change is that it is now showing a unit of speed 3600 times greater! (yes spacecraft can do some massive speeds, but it takes a LONG while to slow down!) Another thing to do is- REMEMBER TO TOP UP THAT INTERNAL FUEL TANK. You will get nowhere fast without engines. THE "I HAVE TO CLICK THE MOUSE FOR EACH 0.25T OF HULL DAMAGE" FLAW: Please examine the desk/table/floor at/on which you play the game. You will notice an object referred to as the KEYBOARD (ooooh!). This device incorporates a system called AUTO-REPEAT. Therefore, use the keyboard to operate the repair screen (I haven't found this in my manual yet, mind you. Press the number key corresponding to the option you wish to pick, eg if REPAIR HULL is the 4th option, press and HOLD the 4 key. As an aside, this works for most such choices- I dont know about the screens with more than 9 options) THE AUTO-PILOT: Remeber how much cheaper and yet more versatile this is than the original Docking Computers. It is not MEANT to be infallible. I find, however, that it is pretty good if time is set to maximum acceleration- then it usually snaps to realtime just as it gets docking clearance. Other posts have dealt with this in greater depth, so I wont harp on, but do realise that if you can see yourself about to be embedded in the station, switching the A.P. off, then on again will normally save you (it chickens out every time) As a final word on this one, save often. It can't hurt, and you may have cause to regret it if you don't. I think thats enough for now.... Commander TIM Transporter, Turreted and Front 1MW Beam Lasers, 4 Shields, Scanner, Autopilot, Radar Mapper =) Below Average =( -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Only the insane have strength enough to prosper... Only those who prosper truly judge what is sane. Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!uvaarpa!liberty!jspeton From: jspeton@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Jean-Guy D. Speton) Subject: Re: Frontiers..... Message-ID: <1993Oct30.062216.2787@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1993 06:22:16 GMT References: <1993Oct29.110948.25353@cc.ic.ac.uk> Organization: Washington & Lee University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 42 Conrad Winchester (conrad@spva.ph.ic.ac.uk) wrote: : Hiya gang, : well last night I got my first kill and first two successful missions : on Frontiers and actually bothered to save the game ( at the Fomalhaut : system ( the space station around the second planet ( can't remember : what it's called))). Anyway I was well chuffed and beginning to really : get into it when I ran across a problem that I have seen mentioned before, : the dreaded constant velocity vector :-((((((((((((((( Basically for about : three hours I tried to get to the next star system and do some business : but all that would happen is that I would hyperspace, maybe get attacked and : then invariably find that my ACTUAL velocity vector was almost frozen. My : thrusters would be firing but no acceleration in any direction would appear : to be occuring. This made the game completely unplayable and I got : really really pissed off ! : Now has any body else had this problem ? : I did try starting again from scratch at Mars and learning to fly manually : but AGAIN And AGAIN and AGAIN I would get a fixed velocity vector, so : I ended up playing AB II which showed me what a properly play tested : game should be like ( nice one Team 17 ). : I am now as annoyed as Jarnis was. I have a completely unplayable game that : I spent 30 quid on. I don't know who to talk to so I contacted you guys. Yes -- wake up! It's not a problem, it's REALITY. In space, when you are going in very high velocities, you expect to be able to stop on a dime? Elite was bad this way, Frontier is correct! If you use the auto pilot you'll notice it starts slowing down halfway to the target: that's because it needs all that time to slow down! You can't burn it to a location and expect to just stop. The only way to stop a spacecraft is to apply a force in the direction opposite you are traveling. Since the only force is your engines, and it's the same engines you used to get going, makes sense it takes the same time to decellerate, right? Don't flame what you don't have a clue about... -- Jean-Guy Speton \ "Don't just stand there and shout it, \ jspeton@wlu.edu \ do something about it..." - ML Gore \ IRC: Spinner Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!pipex!uunet!spool.mu.edu!nigel.msen.com!yale.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver.usl.com!netnews.usl.com!not-for-mail From: conrad@usl.com (-rohan-+Dunkerson C.B.) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Any Frontier Tips? Date: 1 Nov 1993 16:50:52 -0500 Organization: UNIX System Laboratories, Summit, NJ Lines: 13 Message-ID: <2b40bsINN62u@slate.usl.com> References: <26OCT199312100898@vxcrna.cern.ch> <1NOV199318120790@vxcrna.cern.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: slate.usl.com > No you are not correct. Just wanted to fly and didn't read all of manual. >I am a bit better now. And have read the manual. Has anyone noticed that the >ships that you meet are harder if your rating goes up? Yes. Indeed, I found it rather amusing after turning off the computer to take a break from the 4 200+ ton ship assaults to get on the net and find people talking about meeting 'two ships AT THE SAME TIME!!!' and bemoaning the fact that there isn't an enemy in the game that can't stand up to a few hits with a 1 MW pulse laser. For a while I wondered if we were playing the same game at all. :) -- Conrad B. Dunkerson -- conrad@usl.com AKA; Bertrand de Levinwir -- conrad@novalink.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!dxcern!vxcrna.cern.ch!gowdy From: gowdy@vxcrna.cern.ch (Stephen J Gowdy) Subject: Re: Any Frontier Tips? Message-ID: <1NOV199318120790@vxcrna.cern.ch> News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Keywords: Frontier, Amiga Sender: news@dxcern.cern.ch (USENET News System) Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN References: <26OCT199312100898@vxcrna.cern.ch> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 17:12:00 GMT Lines: 29 In article , amiga@hosta.dircon.co.uk (Dino Dini) writes... :In <26OCT199312100898@vxcrna.cern.ch> gowdy@vxcrna.cern.ch (Stephen J Gowdy) writes: : :>I have tried playing Frontier but have only had about 30 mins flying time. :>The trouble is I can't seem to kill the pirates. I manage to hit them a few :>times but they always either ram me or hit me with a missile. Anyone got any :>tips? : :>By the way, how do you target a missile? I can't seem to find it. : :It looks like you don't have a manual. Am I correct? : :-- :------------------------------------------------------------------------------- :Dino Dini Dini & Dini Productions amiga@hosta.dircon.co.uk :"The opinions expressed here *are* those of the company... we are the company." :------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No you are not correct. Just wanted to fly and didn't read all of manual. I am a bit better now. And have read the manual. Has anyone noticed that the ships that you meet are harder if your rating goes up? ************************************************************************** *Stephen J Gowdy *A4000/040*"Great quote coming soon...." * *Bitnet: GOWDY AT GWIA *120 MB HD* * *DecNet: 20075::GOWDY *6MEG RAM!* by me * *InterNet: GOWDY@v1.ph.gla.ac.uk*It moves!* * ************************************************************************** Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!dxcern!vxcrna.cern.ch!gowdy From: gowdy@vxcrna.cern.ch (Stephen J Gowdy) Subject: Re: Frontier HAS a cleanup-code that works.. Message-ID: <1NOV199318454715@vxcrna.cern.ch> News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Sender: news@dxcern.cern.ch (USENET News System) Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN References: Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 17:45:00 GMT Lines: 36 In article , tsuikki@surukuku.cc.lut.fi (Teemu Suikki) writes... :I took a look at the Frontier binary yesterday.. There is a piece of code, :that closes all libraries (graphics, intuition), restores OS copperlist etc. :I patched it a little, so that when you select Lave as starting system, it :will call that cleanup code. : :It works! It returns to system perfectly! And my WB is in Super72 mode, :running on A4000/040.. : :I'll take a closer look today, perhaps I can hack it so nicely that it exits :when you press the exit-gadget in prefs screen.. : : :-- :PROC main();DEF a,b,c;b:='** email: tsuikki@lut.fi **';Vprintf(a:='P'+ :'ROC main();DEF a,b,c;b:=%lc%s%lc;Vprintf(a:=%lcP%s%.69s%s%s%lc,%lc[c:'+ :'=39,b,c,c,b:=[$%8lx,0],a+1,b,a+70,c,10,^b,10]);ENDPROC/*E .sig!*/%1lc', :[c:=39,b,c,c,b:=[$272B0A27,0],a+1,b,a+70,c,10,^b,10]);ENDPROC/*E .sig!*/ Hi Teemu, On my A4000 the colours are all messed up when I run it from workbench. Is yours okay? Just thought of something, I run WBOverloef (or a probram with a similar name) perhaps it is that that is causing the trouble. regards, Stephen. ************************************************************************** *Stephen J Gowdy *A4000/040*"Great quote coming soon...." * *Bitnet: GOWDY AT GWIA *120 MB HD* * *DecNet: 20075::GOWDY *6MEG RAM!* by me * *InterNet: GOWDY@v1.ph.gla.ac.uk*It moves!* * ************************************************************************** Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!trane.uninett.no!aun.uninett.no!news.uit.no!stud.cs.uit.no!kjelli From: kjelli@stud.cs.uit.no (Kjell Irgens) Subject: Re: Frontier HAS a cleanup-code that works.. Sender: news@news.uit.no (News admin.) Message-ID: <1993Nov1.183952.13985@news.uit.no> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 18:39:52 GMT References: <1NOV199318454715@vxcrna.cern.ch> Organization: University of Tromsoe Lines: 17 In article <1NOV199318454715@vxcrna.cern.ch>, gowdy@vxcrna.cern.ch (Stephen J Gowdy) writes: |> Hi Teemu, |> On my A4000 the colours are all messed up when I run it from |> workbench. Is yours okay? Just thought of something, I run WBOverloef (or |> a probram with a similar name) perhaps it is that that is causing the |> trouble. Yes it is! WBverlauf messes up the colours in lots of games. Too bad, I really like that program.... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- __ | Gravity Force, Race 0 | Kjell Irgens __/// | 32.84 (unbeatable!) | kjelli@stud.cs.uit.no \XX/ AMIGA rules! | ------------------------------------------------------ 4000/040 | I know this system, this is UNIX! Eh... Gunship 2000? ============================================================================= Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!glasgow!unix.brighton.ac.uk!vaxk.bton.ac.uk!SE18 From: se18@vaxk.bton.ac.uk Subject: Frontier Message-ID: <1993Nov1.190009.13700@unix.brighton.ac.uk> Sender: news@unix.brighton.ac.uk Reply-To: se18@vaxk.bton.ac.uk Organization: University of Brighton, Brighton, England Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 19:00:09 GMT Lines: 2 How about setting up a Frontier news group....anybody know how its done.....? Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!umn.edu!gold.tc.umn.edu!sjoq0002 From: sjoq0002@gold.tc.umn.edu (Laura A Sjoquist-1) Subject: Re: Frontier PATCH to enable exit gadget in prefs screen Message-ID: Sender: news@news2.cis.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Nntp-Posting-Host: gold2.tc.umn.edu Organization: University of Minnesota, Twin Cities References: <2b115v$g4d@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 20:22:24 GMT Lines: 3 Hmm... would it be possible to patch the openscreen function in frontier to open a different screen mode (e.g. DBLNTSC)? Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games From: andrew@zarquon.demon.co.uk (Andrew Baldwin) Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!cursci!demon!andrew Subject: Frontier Multitasking Distribution: world X-NewsSoftware: GRn 2.0 (16.8.93) by Michael B. Smith & Mike Schwartz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: The House of the Great Prophet Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1993 23:58:33 +0000 Message-ID: Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk Lines: 14 I tried getting Pagestream to print out a document and then running Frontier whilst this was going on.... Ran perfectly (killed the frame rate though) and the program was still there when I quit Frontier.... Great Stuff! All games should be like this..... -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew Baldwin - Struggling Physics Student, Imperial College, London email: andrew@zarquon.demon.co.uk --------- //| ---------------------- -------------------------------- Commodore \X/-|miga - NO LEMMING ZONE - Asp Explorer, 4MW Beam, 200000c, Average! --------------------------- Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!news.funet.fi!sauna.cs.hut.fi!news.cs.hut.fi!apm From: apm@kikka.hut.fi (Antti Miettinen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Elite - generation ships (Re: Frontier - plot???) Date: 2 Nov 93 00:06:38 Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland Lines: 16 Distribution: inet Message-ID: References: <1993Oct30.135736.4484@newshost.lanl.gov> <2auhk2$ine@mits.mdata.fi> <1993Nov1.111124.3339@news.uit.no> NNTP-Posting-Host: kikka.hut.fi In-reply-to: stigs@stud.cs.uit.no's message of Mon, 1 Nov 1993 11:11:24 GMT In article <1993Nov1.111124.3339@news.uit.no> stigs@stud.cs.uit.no (Stig-Lennart Soerensen) writes: >In the Elite game there were rumoured to be these large generation >ships floating around. Has anyone a positive identification of an >encounter with these ships? Or heard of any story of this? I haven't seen generation ships but a friend of mine claims that he once met something which could have been a generation ship. I think this was in C64 version - might be Amiga version. Anyway he met something very large which looked like an asteroid. When he shot at it bazillions of vipers emerged from the asteroid. When he used escape capsule he was informed that he is dead when he arrived at the local coriolis station. He had a saved game so he tried messing with the big asteroid several times and the only way to survive after shooting at it was to use galactic hyperdrive. Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!pipex!ibmpcug!ibmpcug!exnet2!junct9!Scott_Mcpherson From: Scott_Mcpherson@junct9.royle.org (Scott Mcpherson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Elite II *** FLOP *** Distribution: world Message-ID: Date: 2 Nov 93 00:44:54 GMT Organization: Amiga Junction 9 (England, UK) Lines: 15 L> Someone said that one can control the level of detail - I L> don't know if this is true as I have yet to see the manual say L> anything L> about that. I'd be happy if someone would point me the page of the L> manual that gives the key combination to do this. Jarkko, Hit the escape key twice to bring up the preferences screen, this will allow you to customise your game. (BTW I couldn't find it in the manual either!!) Cheers, Scotty. -- Via DLG Pro v1.0 Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!munnari.oz.au!goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au!aggedor.rmit.OZ.AU!monu6!aurora.cc.monash.edu.au!ins557g From: ins557g@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Mark Brophy) Subject: FRONTIER: hyperspace drive 8 Message-ID: <1993Nov2.022320.6170@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> Sender: news@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Usenet system) Organization: Monash University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 02:23:20 GMT Lines: 18 Hi, does anyone out there know where the hell there is a place that will remove my class 8 hyperdriv from a panther clipper?? I've been looking for ages with no luck. Thanks, email responses please. -- Mark Brophy, (Chaos) The world is like an orange, Sort of!!!!!????? ******************************************************************************** ** *** Amiga 1200, ///** ** "News flash!, Vacuum cleaner sucks up budgie." *** "Machine /// ** ** -The Clash *** of the \\\/// ** ** *** Gods" \/// ** ******************************************************************************** ** Mail: ins557g@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au ** ******************************************************************************** Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!trane.uninett.no!news.eunet.no!nuug!news.eunet.fi!prime.mdata.fi!mits.mdata.fi!not-for-mail From: jarnis@mits.mdata.fi (Jarno Kokko) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: FRONTIER: hyperspace drive 8 Date: 2 Nov 1993 09:15:41 +0200 Organization: Microdata International Telecomm Service, Helsinki, Finland Lines: 14 Message-ID: <2b51et$heb@mits.mdata.fi> References: <1993Nov2.022320.6170@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: mits.mdata.fi >Hi, >does anyone out there know where the hell there is a place that will remove my >class 8 hyperdriv from a panther clipper?? I've been looking for ages with no >luck. Another one of those nice features - if a ship has class 8-drive you are stuck with it... absolutely no way to get rid of it OR to get new one (say your drive breaks and you fly to station, you can't buy new class 8-drive cause it's nowhere to be seen for sale) Also that 'can only remove if same item is around for sale'-thing sucks IMHO... - Jarnis Xref: swi.psy.uva.nl comp.sys.amiga.advocacy:65951 comp.sys.amiga.games:38841 Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!news.funet.fi!news.cs.tut.fi!news.cs.tut.fi!bitti From: bitti@korppi.cs.tut.fi (Matti Rintala) Subject: Re: Frontier, wow! In-Reply-To: Mark 'Mark' Sachs's message of Mon, 1 Nov 1993 13: 00:37 EST Message-ID: Sender: usenet@news.cs.tut.fi (#Kotilo NEWS system ) Nntp-Posting-Host: cs.tut.fi Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Finland References: <1993Oct31.212333.29554@infodev.cam.ac.uk> <93305.130037MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 06:52:17 GMT Lines: 28 >>>>> " " == Sachs writes: > Yeah, that burns me... On the other hand, recall that the game > was originally written for the Amiga, then ported to the PC. So > there was no texture mapping in the original -- it was tacked > on by the conversion team. Trust me, it looks > horrendous. (_Stone_ textures on spacecraft? Give me a > _break_...) I saw the PC demo yesterday, and I have to agree. Before I saw it, I hoped that the AGA version could have a similar texture mapping. Now I really hope Braben doesn't include it in the AGA version! It looks really bad, and above all it is bitmapped, so it has those ugly huge square pixels on close-ups. I hope the extra speed gained from the AGA-conversion (mainly from optimizing for >=68020) is used to get some more vectorised details (adding some simple vectorised textures shouldn't be too difficult). > I still haven't gotten my copy yet... they must really be > back-ordered. Waaah, I want my Frontier. Heh, for once it's nice to live in Finland... I just hope I'd have more time to play my Frontier... :-) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matti Rintala bitti@cs.tut.fi ******************************************************************************* "Time is a drug. Too much of it kills you."(from Small Gods by Terry Pratchett) Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!munnari.oz.au!ariel.ucs.unimelb.EDU.AU!werple.apana.org.au!bushwire.apana.org.au!guru!Widya_Santoso From: Widya_Santoso@guru.apana.org.au (Sydney2k) Subject: Frontier: Can someone compile all hints? Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Summary: Keywords: X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Message-ID: Date: 2 Nov 93 08:17:54 +1000 Organization: Guru Meditation BBS Lines: 15 Can someone please compile all the hints for Frontier? I have a hard time trying to read all the Frontier posts and finding useful tips. I'm sure that this will be a boon for all users as well. Thanx in advance Widya Santoso "...and some TS. Eliot, if you want something lighter." -- Lisa Trekker Dennis Potter's _Lipstick on my Collar_ Channel 4, 1993 -- 100033.361@Compuserve.Com -- wsantoso@nyx.cs.du.edu -- +61 6 288 0405 -- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!trane.uninett.no!ugle.unit.no!news.uit.no!stud.cs.uit.no!nilss From: nilss@stud.cs.uit.no (Nils Petter Sudmann) Subject: Re: PC/Amiga Frontier demo compared Sender: news@news.uit.no (News admin.) Message-ID: <1993Nov2.084713.29167@news.uit.no> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 08:47:13 GMT References: Organization: University of Tromsoe Lines: 36 In article , sgberg@charon.bloomington.in.us (Stefan G. Berg) writes: |> I just downloaded the frontier demo for MSDOS and compared it to the |> Amiga demo. The sequence of pictures in the two demos are exactly |> identical. |> |> The only big difference I noticed right away was the texture mapping. |> I really like the way the galaxies were done in the PC version. On |> the Amiga you just have those blue patches, the PC version offers a |> much more interesting background. The buildings also looked quite |> nice, but as a whole, the texture mapping makes things look a little |> fuzzy at times. For example those building look just like a jumble of |> pixels when they overlap each other. The problem is that the texture |> mapping eliminates the sharp edges. For those who have no idea what |> texture mapping is, in the Frontier demo the main texture mapping seen |> consists of a lot of small grey strips in various grey colors (makes |> it look somewhat like a stone surface). On the enemy ships the |> texture mapping looks quite bad. They look like they were carved out |> of stone... There was practically no variety in the texture mapping. |> Only the building had a somewhat different texture mapping which |> actually made them look quite real. |> In my manual there are some fuzzy screenshots which I think are from the PC version. These show spaceships with with something that looks like millitary camouflage (you know, green/brown spots). Why would anyone have his ship painted like this?? Surly in space a totally black ship would offer the best protection agains visual observations (black would be ultra-cool too :) -- ******************************************************************************* * Truth:A random variable possible |__ /~/~/ Do it now | Nils Peter Sudmann * * containing complex numbers.|\ \/ / / 2000->4000, |nilss@stud.cs.uit.no* * Line 634582 from life.h | \/\/ / and join the |--------------------* * #DEFINE WORK sleep(10000) | ~~~~ winning team. | type >NIL: FLAMES * ******************************************************************************* Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!pipex!demon!micromuse!brains.genasys.co.uk!brains!mikes From: mikes@genasys.co.uk (Michael J. Sheppard) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: How slow ARRRGGGGGGG ( Frontier ) Date: 1 Nov 1993 12:34:28 GMT Organization: Genasys II UK Lines: 23 Message-ID: <2b2vok$7qd@brains.genasys.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: brains.genasys.co.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Nick Jarret (nsj@metagen.co.uk) wrote: : I have a bog standard A500, and Frontier is allmost : unplayable !!! What sort of power do I need to get : it up to speed ? : I have thinking about an apgrade for a while, trouble : is I have a 120Mb SCSI drive, a second external drive : 3 Mb ram, which I won't be able to use on a A1200, : or a decent accelerator !!!!!!!! : What should I do ? I have an A2000 with Supra 28 Mhz accelerator and it runs fine on that, I am using the second best detail level. For the 120 pounds the Supra 28 cost me it is worth every penny. : Nick -- ////| Michael Sheppard E-mail : mikes@genasys.co.uk //// | System Administrator Voice : +44.(0)61.232.9444 ////__| GENASYS II Ltd Fax : +44.(0)61.232.9453 Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!glasgow!shawad From: shawad@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Alan D Shaw) Subject: Re: Any Frontier Tips? Message-ID: Keywords: Frontier, Amiga Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept. References: <26OCT199312100898@vxcrna.cern.ch> <1NOV199318120790@vxcrna.cern.ch> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 10:36:44 GMT Lines: 46 gowdy@vxcrna.cern.ch (Stephen J Gowdy) writes: >In article , amiga@hosta.dircon.co.uk (Dino Dini) writes... >:In <26OCT199312100898@vxcrna.cern.ch> gowdy@vxcrna.cern.ch (Stephen J Gowdy) writes: >: >:>I have tried playing Frontier but have only had about 30 mins flying time. >:>The trouble is I can't seem to kill the pirates. I manage to hit them a few >:>times but they always either ram me or hit me with a missile. Anyone got any >:>tips? >: >:>By the way, how do you target a missile? I can't seem to find it. >: >:It looks like you don't have a manual. Am I correct? >: >:-- >:------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >:Dino Dini Dini & Dini Productions amiga@hosta.dircon.co.uk >:"The opinions expressed here *are* those of the company... we are the company." >:------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > No you are not correct. Just wanted to fly and didn't read all of manual. >I am a bit better now. And have read the manual. Has anyone noticed that the >ships that you meet are harder if your rating goes up? God, Mr Dino 'Paranoid, no one is buying GOAL! cause its the same as all my other games, they must all be PIRATING it!!' Dini I've just read your quote in this months AMIGA FORMAT. And i've got two words 'FUCK OFF!' sorry, but i'm getting pissed off with all this shite The amiga games market will only die if profiteering bastards like yourself insist that they will stop writing games if all the pirating doesnt stop. Just because a game you write doesnt sell megashitloads of copies doesn't mean that everyone who has a cracked copy would have bought it at 30quid or whatever. Just be thankfull that something like GOAL! is selling at all. I think you'll have something to moan about when GOAL3! doesnt sell one single copy, and then maybe either the cracking scene will have become too large OR maybe its just that no-one wants another bloody football game like all the others!! Al. IMVHO. Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!glasgow!shawad From: shawad@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Alan D Shaw) Subject: Re: Frontier HAS a cleanup-code that works.. Message-ID: Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept. References: <1NOV199318454715@vxcrna.cern.ch> <1993Nov1.183952.13985@news.uit.no> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 10:40:22 GMT Lines: 21 kjelli@stud.cs.uit.no (Kjell Irgens) writes: >In article <1NOV199318454715@vxcrna.cern.ch>, gowdy@vxcrna.cern.ch (Stephen J Gowdy) writes: >|> Hi Teemu, >|> On my A4000 the colours are all messed up when I run it from >|> workbench. Is yours okay? Just thought of something, I run WBOverloef (or >|> a probram with a similar name) perhaps it is that that is causing the >|> trouble. >Yes it is! WBverlauf messes up the colours in lots of games. Too bad, I >really like that program.... Perhaps an email to the author might sort out this problem in a future version Yeah, I agree, Wbverlauf is one of the best wb progs i've seen in a long time. A lot better than the crappy grey (gray?) background, or waiting ages for a picture to load up and take up all my memory. Anyone got it handy? Failing that i'll look it up in the docs tonight... Al. Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!glasgow!shawad From: shawad@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Alan D Shaw) Subject: Re: Frontier HAS a cleanup-code that works.. Message-ID: Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept. References: <1NOV199318454715@vxcrna.cern.ch> <1993Nov1.183952.13985@news.uit.no> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 11:06:59 GMT Lines: 43 >kjelli@stud.cs.uit.no (Kjell Irgens) writes: >>In article <1NOV199318454715@vxcrna.cern.ch>, gowdy@vxcrna.cern.ch (Stephen J Gowdy) writes: >>|> Hi Teemu, >>|> On my A4000 the colours are all messed up when I run it from >>|> workbench. Is yours okay? Just thought of something, I run WBOverloef (or >>|> a probram with a similar name) perhaps it is that that is causing the >>|> trouble. >>Yes it is! WBverlauf messes up the colours in lots of games. Too bad, I >>really like that program.... Just to fill in the time until he does get it fixed, I suppose you could make a a script that re-runs Wbverlauf, then frontier, as I recall that re-running it kill its completely anyway. The more annoying thing is that when I forget to turn off AswarmII I loose my cursor after a while!! I wish Braben had made up his mind, and either had a proper multitasking game or not one at all. Then at least none of the nice wb hacks would cause a problem, cause frontier would kill them all when it ran. Could the guy who wrote that wonderfull exit patch try and get frontier multitasking properly? (I'm not an amiga programmer so I dont know if this is possible or not, but hey, I can live in hope) Al. -Cobramk1 but i've got loads of money from drug smuggling, its just that I cant decide which ship to buy next!!! (And I can't get a crew when I do, cause i'm a bloody cheapskate and can't be bothered to offer any more than 5 creds a week!! HEHE, well if I spent all that time making all that lovely money, i'm not about to give it all away to some freeloader to help run my ship (yeah, right what do they actually do for the money? BUGGER ALL!) Can they fly the ship intelligently while you man a laser turret or the other way round? NO! Can they not refuel or jetisson stuff for you, NO! Not a lot of use are they, except that you cant take off without them! :( ) Xref: swi.psy.uva.nl comp.sys.amiga.advocacy:65958 comp.sys.amiga.games:38854 Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!glasgow!shawad From: shawad@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Alan D Shaw) Subject: Re: Frontier, wow! Message-ID: Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept. References: <1993Oct31.212333.29554@infodev.cam.ac.uk> <93305.130037MBS110@psuvm.psu.edu> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 10:54:21 GMT Lines: 46 >>>>>> " " == Sachs writes: > > Yeah, that burns me... On the other hand, recall that the game > > was originally written for the Amiga, then ported to the PC. So > > there was no texture mapping in the original -- it was tacked > > on by the conversion team. Trust me, it looks > > horrendous. (_Stone_ textures on spacecraft? Give me a > > _break_...) I recall from about a year ago when they all said that frontier would be out soon (yeah, right guys, good joke!) that there was an interview with braben (It was a two issue thingy, cant remember the publication name, well, I know it was a computer mag anyway ;) ) And he seemed to be writing the amiga version (or just frontier) on a pc Well, it looked like a pc in the picture, you know, large, ugly, orrible colour. And I agree about the texture mapping, it looks almost as horrible as an ibm pc itself!! The only part that looks nicer is the milky way in the background. It looks a lot better than the Amiga version... BTW, has anyone with an outdated (sorry, had to be said) machine (ie bog standard a500) played this yet? I saw the deom running in Virgin yesterday, and i'm assuming it was a 500 cause it was sooooo bloody slow. It was about 1fps if it was lucky. And that was in the space scene. When it landed on the planet it went down to about .25fps And Braben is trying to say it was written for an a500? (Well thats the reason he's giving for it not being as fast as it could on machines with proper processors in them ;) ) (You know the ones; those machines where the processor costs MORE than 12quid ) ((or was it 8???)) Just glad I upgraded from that piece of shit. Not an insult to current 500 owners, I mean it was good in its time, but that was about 7 years ago, and its a bit outdated now. Even the 68020 in the 1200 is too slow for my liking. So all I need to do is save up in time for the GVP1230+ (Lovely 50mhz 68030!!!!!) (None of yer economy versions here m8) Al. Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!waikato!comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix.gen.nz!templar!jbickers From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: NOT Frontier!!!! References: <1993Oct29.142831.8259@dct.ac.uk> Message-ID: Date: 2 Nov 93 23:18:59 +1200 Organization: TAP Lines: 10 Quoted from <1993Oct29.142831.8259@dct.ac.uk> by mcsbc4mmf@dct.ac.uk: > What about talking about a REAL game - Uridium 2..... Uridium 2 is not such a big deal as Frontier, but it's still an upgrade of a classic. How long has it been out? -- *** John Bickers, TAP. jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz *** *** "Radioactivity - It's in the air, for you and me" - Kraftwerk *** Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!trane.uninett.no!aun.uninett.no!news.uit.no!stud.cs.uit.no!nilss From: nilss@stud.cs.uit.no (Nils Petter Sudmann) Subject: Re: Frontiers..... Sender: news@news.uit.no (News admin.) Message-ID: <1993Nov2.122907.3987@news.uit.no> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 12:29:07 GMT References: <1993Oct29.110948.25353@cc.ic.ac.uk> <1993Oct30.062216.2787@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> Organization: University of Tromsoe Lines: 20 In article <1993Oct30.062216.2787@liberty.uc.wlu.edu>, jspeton@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Jean-Guy D. Speton) writes: |> Yes -- wake up! It's not a problem, it's REALITY. In space, when you are |> going in very high velocities, you expect to be able to stop on a dime? |> Elite was bad this way, Frontier is correct! If you use the auto pilot |> you'll notice it starts slowing down halfway to the target: that's because |> it needs all that time to slow down! You can't burn it to a location and BTW: Wouldn't it be better (faster) if the auto pilot turned your ship around halfway to the target and used (the more powerful) rear thrusters to slow down? This would burn more fuel, but make your journey shorter (time). -- ******************************************************************************* * Truth:A random variable possible |__ /~/~/ Do it now | Nils Peter Sudmann * * containing complex numbers.|\ \/ / / 2000->4000, |nilss@stud.cs.uit.no* * Line 634582 from life.h | \/\/ / and join the |--------------------* * #DEFINE WORK sleep(10000) | ~~~~ winning team. | type >NIL: FLAMES * ******************************************************************************* Xref: swi.psy.uva.nl comp.sys.amiga.games:38872 comp.sys.ibm.pc.games:53588 Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!gdt!ccsmh From: ccsmh@midge.bath.ac.uk (Mark Harding) Subject: [Help] Frontier problem Message-ID: Organization: Bath University Computing Services, UK Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 13:58:48 GMT Lines: 20 Hi people, I'm currently enjoying a great game of Frontier, but I have a problem :-) and was wondering if anyone can help... I took a passenger for a trip, which she refused to pay for, and also it seems, she refused to leave my cabins becuase my screen says they're occupied. I cannot sell my ship, or sell the cabins because the game refuses *because they are occupied*. How the hell do I get rid of the occupants? I've tried selling them as slaves :-) I've looked on bulletin boards for someone who is looking for her. No joy. I'm stuck. Help Mark. (Fed:Corporal - Certificate of Valour ,Elite:Poor) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!news.funet.fi!news.lut.fi!tsuikki From: tsuikki@cc.lut.fi (Teemu Suikki) Subject: Re: Frontier PATCH to enable exit gadget in prefs screen Sender: news@lut.fi (Usenet News) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 13:23:57 GMT References: <2b115v$g4d@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: cc.lut.fi Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland s_walter@iraul1 (Tobias Walter) writes: > The exit patch recently posted works fine, but there is still a >major problem left: Frontier doesn't use OwnBlitter() (or any other Hmm. At least it calls DisownBlitter() in the cleanup, so I assume it OwnBlitter()'s too.. And I've many friends who have a BBS, and they've played Frontier while BBS is running on background. No problems, though it's necessary to give Frontier priority -1, or the BBS will be quite slow.. -- PROC main();DEF a,b,c;b:='** email: tsuikki@lut.fi **';Vprintf(a:='P'+ 'ROC main();DEF a,b,c;b:=%lc%s%lc;Vprintf(a:=%lcP%s%.69s%s%s%lc,%lc[c:'+ '=39,b,c,c,b:=[$%8lx,0],a+1,b,a+70,c,10,^b,10]);ENDPROC/*E .sig!*/%1lc', [c:=39,b,c,c,b:=[$272B0A27,0],a+1,b,a+70,c,10,^b,10]);ENDPROC/*E .sig!*/ Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!news.funet.fi!news.lut.fi!tsuikki From: tsuikki@cc.lut.fi (Teemu Suikki) Subject: Re: Frontier PATCH to enable exit gadget in prefs screen Sender: news@lut.fi (Usenet News) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 13:28:01 GMT References: <2b115v$g4d@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: cc.lut.fi Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland sjoq0002@gold.tc.umn.edu (Laura A Sjoquist-1) writes: >Hmm... would it be possible to patch the openscreen function in frontier to >open a different screen mode (e.g. DBLNTSC)? Frontier doesn't use OpenScreen().. It uses a copperlist to create the display. -- PROC main();DEF a,b,c;b:='** email: tsuikki@lut.fi **';Vprintf(a:='P'+ 'ROC main();DEF a,b,c;b:=%lc%s%lc;Vprintf(a:=%lcP%s%.69s%s%s%lc,%lc[c:'+ '=39,b,c,c,b:=[$%8lx,0],a+1,b,a+70,c,10,^b,10]);ENDPROC/*E .sig!*/%1lc', [c:=39,b,c,c,b:=[$272B0A27,0],a+1,b,a+70,c,10,^b,10]);ENDPROC/*E .sig!*/ Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!news.funet.fi!news.lut.fi!tsuikki From: tsuikki@cc.lut.fi (Teemu Suikki) Subject: Re: Frontiers..... Sender: news@lut.fi (Usenet News) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 13:31:56 GMT References: <1993Oct29.110948.25353@cc.ic.ac.uk> <2atdio$i2t@st-james.comp.vuw.ac.nz> <1993Oct30.105422.8995@swan.pyr> Nntp-Posting-Host: cc.lut.fi Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland Keywords: Help cekift@swan.pyr (m h kift) writes: >>Have you tried setting your selected speed to 0, then selecting maximum >>time speedup. It takes time to decelerate from 1000 m/s >This won't work, since you can't accelerate time when being attacked. So? Why do you want to stop your ship in the middle of combat? -- PROC main();DEF a,b,c;b:='** email: tsuikki@lut.fi **';Vprintf(a:='P'+ 'ROC main();DEF a,b,c;b:=%lc%s%lc;Vprintf(a:=%lcP%s%.69s%s%s%lc,%lc[c:'+ '=39,b,c,c,b:=[$%8lx,0],a+1,b,a+70,c,10,^b,10]);ENDPROC/*E .sig!*/%1lc', [c:=39,b,c,c,b:=[$272B0A27,0],a+1,b,a+70,c,10,^b,10]);ENDPROC/*E .sig!*/ Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!spool.mu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!xlink.net!math.fu-berlin.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!brunner From: brunner@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Oliver -IR- Brunner) Subject: Re: Frontier Multitasking References: Originator: brunner@hphalle3f.informatik.tu-muenchen.de Sender: news@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (USENET Newssystem) Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 14:05:50 GMT Message-ID: <1993Nov2.140550.16376@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE> Lines: 35 |> I tried getting Pagestream to print out a document and then |> running Frontier whilst this was going on.... |> |> Ran perfectly (killed the frame rate though) and the program was |> still there when I quit Frontier.... You quitted Frontier ?? I have not bought the game up to now, but all people said, that you *can not* quit it and return to Amiga-DOS. If you told us the truth, could you please check your Version and tell us (me) if it is something higher than 1.01 (or just give me the date of your file). I would like to buy V2.0 :-). |> |> Great Stuff! All games should be like this..... |> Don't agree, I *need* some shoot'em up games, too ! |> -- |> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- |> Andrew Baldwin - Struggling Physics Student, Imperial College, London |> email: andrew@zarquon.demon.co.uk --------- //| ---------------------- |> -------------------------------- Commodore \X/-|miga - NO LEMMING ZONE |> - Asp Explorer, 4MW Beam, 200000c, Average! --------------------------- -- --------------------------------------------//-------------------- | brunner@informatik.tu-muenchen.de \\// Up The Irons ! | ------------------------------------------------------------------ Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!reading!hardy!ssurpeat From: ssurpeat@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk (Richard T. Peat) Subject: Frontier Message-ID: Sender: news@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: hardy Reply-To: ssurpeat@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., University of Reading Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 14:56:48 GMT Lines: 42 Right, I got Frontier on Thursday, not one of the bugfixed versions. (btw, if someone can post a proggy to fix the bugs I'd be most grateful, and also some code to kill multitasking before frontier starts, so I can play off my HD) I currently have an Asp Explorer with 2 shield generators, Hyperspace Cloud Analyiser, and all the other stuff. Anyway, the best way to earn money is to remove as much as possible from the ship, and just trade between Barnards Star and Sol, until you get a decent ship, that can defend itself. Basically, targetting a ship manually is nigh on impossible, especially if it's small. It's much easier to point in roughly the right direction, and let the autopilot line it up properly, then let rip with the guns. As to the acuracy, I once ran out of fuel heading towards Mars, and ended up being catapulted around the sun, and out into space. Very impresive (but rather annoying) Also, I tried to visit this asteroidal body, very close to a red giant, in one of these multiple star systems, (can't remember the name off hand), but because the planet was so close to the star, and on the other side, I couldn't get to it, I suspect because of the gravity of the star being so close. The ship was shaking all over the place as the autopilot tried to move, and once I switched to manual the ship started falling back towards the sun before the stabalisers cut in. In conclusion, the best kind of ship to have is one which is fairly large, and able to take hard knocks, if you want to fly a smaller ship, you really need to get to a point where you can cope with the controls. One last point, stop flaming Frontier because it's not like Elite. The galaxy is acurate, and impressivly so. It may have been annoying, but after my encounter with deep space, I spent ages trying to get it to swing around a star nicely. I just hope that there *are* aliens out in the furthest reaches, because it'd be a great pity if there aren't any. Although I suppose if the scientists are to be belived, finding another inhabited world that has developped space flight will be very difficult....... Richard. Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!trane.uninett.no!news.eunet.no!nuug!news.eunet.fi!fuug!krk!krksun.krk.fi!oh2lpl From: oh2lpl@krk.fi (Kai-Peter B{ckman) Subject: Frontier: Systems without starports. Message-ID: <1993Nov2.103143.20351@krk.fi> Sender: usenet@krk.fi Nntp-Posting-Host: krksun.krk.fi Organization: Radio Club of Kauniainen (OH2NRG) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 10:31:43 GMT Lines: 17 I just have one simple question. How does one trade or deliver parcels to systems that does not have any starports? When I started to solve this problem I noticed on page 45 in the manual a picture where a communication screen is activated and one of the options is: "Send message to Mars..". After seeing this I thought that it probably would solve my problems because if I could communicate with the planet I could probably get the information I wanted but I can't figure out how I would activate this mode. Thank you for any information. oh2lpl@krksun.krk.fi Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!cineret!shulick From: shulick@cineret.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) Subject: Re: Frontier: Systems without starports. Message-ID: Sender: news@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu (USENET News System) Nntp-Posting-Host: cineret.ucs.indiana.edu Organization: Vallen Software References: <1993Nov2.103143.20351@krk.fi> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 01:48:52 GMT Lines: 22 oh2lpl@krk.fi (Kai-Peter B{ckman) writes: > When I started to solve this problem I noticed on page 45 in the >manual a picture where a communication screen is activated and >one of the options is: "Send message to Mars..". After seeing >this I thought that it probably would solve my problems because >if I could communicate with the planet I could probably get >the information I wanted but I can't figure out how I would >activate this mode. Click on the planet until it makes the chime sound and the green squares appear. Then click on the telephone icon. Bingo. > Thank you for any information. No prob. > oh2lpl@krksun.krk.fi -- ########################################################################### Sam Hulick - shulick@indiana.edu | "CERT Advisory: Someone did something Tarador @ IRC | bad somewhere. Be careful." Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!doc.ic.ac.uk!cc.ic.ac.uk!conrad From: conrad@spva.ph.ic.ac.uk (Conrad Winchester) Subject: Frontiers ( Proxima Centauri ) Message-ID: <1993Nov2.155711.29061@cc.ic.ac.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: prawn.sp.ph Organization: Imperial College of Science, Technology, and Medicine, London, England Date: Tue, 2 Nov 93 15:57:11 GMT Lines: 14 OK a quick astronavigation problem for you. I have been to the Eden space station twice. This is around Proxima centauri. The problem is that when you jump to Alpha centauri ( the only way I can find to get to proxima centauri ) you end up about 900 AU away from proxima. It takes a full internal tank of an ASP to get there and it takes about a month. Is there any way to jump there ? Is there an easy way? The reason I ask is that sometimes you get military missions to Alpha Centauri and Eden is the only place to go and it takes ages.......... Conrad Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!liberty!jspeton From: jspeton@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Jean-Guy D. Speton) Subject: Re: Frontiers ( Proxima Centauri ) Message-ID: <1993Nov2.190005.26593@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 19:00:05 GMT References: <1993Nov2.155711.29061@cc.ic.ac.uk> Organization: Washington & Lee University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 24 Conrad Winchester (conrad@spva.ph.ic.ac.uk) wrote: : : OK a quick astronavigation problem for you. I have been to the Eden : space station twice. This is around Proxima centauri. The problem is that : when you jump to Alpha centauri ( the only way I can find to get to : proxima centauri ) you end up about 900 AU away from proxima. It takes : a full internal tank of an ASP to get there and it takes about a month. : Is there any way to jump there ? Is there an easy way? The reason I : ask is that sometimes you get military missions to Alpha Centauri and Eden is : the only place to go and it takes ages.......... I haven't found one, but on a related note, how do I get rid of cargo that I have, that I originally took because it was a well paying military mission, but when I get to the star system there are no starports! I even scoured the planets looking for SOMETHING (there are sometimes small estblishments) but nothing. Now I'm stuck with undeliverable cargo. There should be a way to jettison it. Anyways, the moral: look before you (hyper) leap! -- Jean-Guy Speton \ "Don't just stand there and shout it, \ jspeton@wlu.edu \ do something about it..." - ML Gore \ IRC: Spinner Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!trane.uninett.no!nntp.uio.no!nntp-oslo.uninett.no!nntp-oslo.uninett.no!eyvind From: eyvind@lise.unit.no (Eyvind Bernhardsen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Frontiers ( Proxima Centauri ) Date: 03 Nov 1993 02:49:40 GMT Organization: University of Trondheim, Norway Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <1993Nov2.155711.29061@cc.ic.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: lise17.lise.unit.no In-reply-to: conrad@spva.ph.ic.ac.uk's message of Tue, 2 Nov 93 15:57:11 GMT X-Md4-Signature: 750483df9011c6acfcf42420e11026be In article <1993Nov2.155711.29061@cc.ic.ac.uk> conrad@spva.ph.ic.ac.uk (Conrad Winchester) writes: OK a quick astronavigation problem for you. I have been to the Eden space station twice. This is around Proxima centauri. The problem is that when you jump to Alpha centauri ( the only way I can find to get to proxima centauri ) you end up about 900 AU away from proxima. It takes a full internal tank of an ASP to get there and it takes about a month. Is there any way to jump there ? Is there an easy way? The reason I ask is that sometimes you get military missions to Alpha Centauri and Eden is the only place to go and it takes ages.......... I'd suggest giving the manual a good read. F'r instance, you can turn OFF the autopilot to save a LOT of fuel... Just wait until the autopilot has aligned itself with the target, and turn off the engines. You'll coast towards the target, not using any fuel at all. (The longer you wait before turning off the engines, the faster the trip will be, obviously). Remember to turn the autopilot back on WELL before you reach your destination. Conrad -- //| Eyvind Bernhardsen | eyvind@lise.unit.no // | | \\ //--| Finger me for my | Amigoid and Linux advocate. \X/ | public PGP key :) | Save the whalers! Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games From: andrew@zarquon.demon.co.uk (Andrew Baldwin) Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!cursci!demon!andrew Subject: Re: Frontier Multitasking Distribution: world References: <1993Nov2.140550.16376@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE> X-NewsSoftware: GRn 2.0 (16.8.93) by Michael B. Smith & Mike Schwartz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: The House of the Great Prophet Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 16:12:38 +0000 Message-ID: Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk Lines: 35 In article <1993Nov2.140550.16376@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE> brunner@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Oliver -IR- Brunner) writes: > > |> I tried getting Pagestream to print out a document and then > |> running Frontier whilst this was going on.... > |> > |> Ran perfectly (killed the frame rate though) and the program was > |> still there when I quit Frontier.... > > You quitted Frontier ?? > I have not bought the game up to now, but all people said, > that you *can not* quit it and return to Amiga-DOS. > If you told us the truth, could you please check your Version > and tell us (me) if it is something higher than 1.01 (or just give me > the date of your file). > I would like to buy V2.0 :-). > Get the patch posted a few days ago on this group. It makes the exit icon exit to DOS rather than to the initial intro/choice screen. > > |> > |> Great Stuff! All games should be like this..... > |> > > Don't agree, I *need* some shoot'em up games, too ! Frontier is a shoot-en-up, it's everything in fact! It's Brilliant! -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew Baldwin - Struggling Physics Student, Imperial College, London email: andrew@zarquon.demon.co.uk --------- //| ---------------------- -------------------------------- Commodore \X/-|miga - NO LEMMING ZONE - Asp Explorer, 4MW Beam, 200000c, Average! --------------------------- Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!news.funet.fi!nntp.hut.fi!nntp.hut.fi!oahvenla From: oahvenla@snakemail.hut.fi (Osma Ahvenlampi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Elite II *** FLOP *** Date: 02 Nov 93 16:26:42 GMT Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland Lines: 19 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lk-hp-2.hut.fi In-reply-to: Scott_Mcpherson@junct9.royle.org's message of 2 Nov 93 00:44:54 GMT In article Scott_Mcpherson@junct9.royle.org (Scott Mcpherson) writes: > L> Someone said that one can control the level of detail - I > L> don't know if this is true as I have yet to see the manual say > L> anything > L> about that. I'd be happy if someone would point me the page of the > L> manual that gives the key combination to do this. >Jarkko, >Hit the escape key twice to bring up the preferences screen, this will >allow you to customise your game. (BTW I couldn't find it in the manual >either!!) FRONTIER QUICK START GUIDE, page 3: Game options and load, save game The options screen is found from within the game by pressing the ESCAPE key twice... -- Osma Ahvenlampi - oahvenla@snakemail.hut.fi - finger or mail for PGP key Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!pipex!prlhp1!ukrleav From: ukrleav@prlhp1.prl.philips.co.uk (J.F.Leaver) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Frontier- Really Hot Tip! Message-ID: <2169@prlhp1.prl.philips.co.uk> Date: 2 Nov 93 16:31:40 GMT References: Reply-To: ukrleav@prl.philips.co.uk (J.F.Leaver) Organization: Philips Research Laboratories, Redhill, UK Lines: 6 Get rid of it....... jon. pissed off AND 30 quid less well off Xref: swi.psy.uva.nl comp.sys.amiga.games:38886 comp.sys.ibm.pc.games:53589 Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!math.fu-berlin.de!uni-paderborn.de!urmel.informatik.rwth-aachen.de!ikki!feinen From: feinen@ikki.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Stephan Feinen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games Subject: Re: [Help] Frontier problem Date: 2 Nov 1993 16:36:48 GMT Organization: Rechnerbetrieb Informatik - RWTH Aachen Lines: 28 Message-ID: <2b62b0$phr@urmel.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ikki.informatik.rwth-aachen.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ccsmh@midge.bath.ac.uk (Mark Harding) writes: >Hi people, >I'm currently enjoying a great game of Frontier, but I have a problem :-) and >was wondering if anyone can help... >I took a passenger for a trip, which she refused to pay for, and also it seems, >she refused to leave my cabins becuase my screen says they're occupied. I >cannot sell my ship, or sell the cabins because the game refuses *because they >are occupied*. How the hell do I get rid of the occupants? >I've tried selling them as slaves :-) >I've looked on bulletin boards for someone who is looking for her. Maybe you should try the following: Lift off and fly as close as possible to a sun. This way you can kill living animals aboard so why not a stubborn passenger? Not a nice way, but it might work B-> cu stephan -- Stephan Feinen, 52076 Aachen-Ofb., Im Steinfeld 1 /// Internet: feinen@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de /// Bitnet: iz010fe@dacth11.bitnet \\\ /// Only Amiga makes it possible (A4000/040 :-) \XX Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!news.funet.fi!nntp.hut.fi!nntp.hut.fi!oahvenla From: oahvenla@snakemail.hut.fi (Osma Ahvenlampi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Frontiers..... Date: 02 Nov 93 17:09:56 GMT Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland Lines: 32 Distribution: inet Message-ID: References: <1993Oct29.110948.25353@cc.ic.ac.uk> <1993Oct30.062216.2787@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> <1993Nov2.122907.3987@news.uit.no> NNTP-Posting-Host: lk-hp-2.hut.fi In-reply-to: nilss@stud.cs.uit.no's message of Tue, 2 Nov 1993 12:29:07 GMT In article <1993Nov2.122907.3987@news.uit.no> nilss@stud.cs.uit.no (Nils Petter Sudmann) writes: >In article <1993Oct30.062216.2787@liberty.uc.wlu.edu>, jspeton@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Jean-Guy D. Speton) writes: >|> Yes -- wake up! It's not a problem, it's REALITY. In space, when you are >|> going in very high velocities, you expect to be able to stop on a dime? >|> Elite was bad this way, Frontier is correct! If you use the auto pilot >|> you'll notice it starts slowing down halfway to the target: that's because >|> it needs all that time to slow down! You can't burn it to a location and >BTW: Wouldn't it be better (faster) if the auto pilot turned your ship around >halfway to the target and used (the more powerful) rear thrusters to slow down? >This would burn more fuel, but make your journey shorter (time). Yes it would. But the autopilot is stupid. If you think about it, it wouldn't even burn more fuel. You get a fixed amount of energy from one ton of fuel. This energy is turned to a pushing force by the thrusters. F=ma <=> a=F/m means that the more force you have pushing a gievn mass, the greater the acceleration is. Now, the more powerful main thrusters burn fuel quicker, and push with a greater force. This force accelerates (or decelerates) the ship quicker, so you need less time to reach a given speed. This means that when decelerating, will will stop quicker, ie. may start decelerating later. Now, you can spend the time won with this either coasting alog, which will not take any fuel, but you'll still reach your destination faster, or you can accelerate longer, reaching higher maximum speed, and get there even more faster. Since the Frontier simulates celestial mechanics quite correctly, there would be one even more efficient way of moving around: orbits. You would need even less fuel, and get there in the same or less time. -- Osma Ahvenlampi - oahvenla@snakemail.hut.fi - finger or mail for PGP key Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!pipex!uunet!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!nigel.msen.com!yale.edu!xlink.net!news.belwue.de!iptc!news.wsi!snoopy!damian From: damian@snoopy (Christof Damian) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Frontier: Which ship is prefered ? Date: 2 Nov 1993 18:44:48 GMT Organization: Lehrstuhl fuer Technische Inforrmatik, Uni Tuebingen Lines: 20 Message-ID: <2b69r0$169@peanuts.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: snoopy.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Hi, the subject says it all: what ship do you prefer ? I tried the ASP Explorer, BOA Freighter, Python Freighter, Tiger Trader, Puma Clipper and i am using now the Imperial Trader. I need it for federal military missions (I don't like fighting for an imperium which kills its girls ;-). But the Imp Trader seems to be to slow for most of the missions and the Imp Courier is to small, even for some needed weapons & fuel. (I think you need 14-15AU jumps for most of the missions). Commander Smith, Imp Trader, 2.3Mc, above average PS: you got to visit Lave, lots of pirates over there -- \ Christof Damian, Sand 11/Drosselweg 12, 72076 Tuebingen,Germany IRC: MrSmith \ uni: damian@peanuts.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de ("The Cyberhippy") / adsp: damian@myplanet.adsp.sub.org uucp: damian@myplanet.tue.sub.org /_ "On my planet living is so easy, there is love, peace and there is ecstasy" Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!tadpole.com!news.dell.com!swrinde!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!gdt!bsmail!carter From: carter@aloha.compsci.bristol.ac.uk (David Carter) Subject: Re: Frontier In-Reply-To: ssurpeat@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk's message of Tue, 2 Nov 1993 14:56:48 GMT Message-ID: Sender: usenet@info.bris.ac.uk (Usenet news owner) Nntp-Posting-Host: aloha.cs.bris.ac.uk Organization: University of Bristol, Department of Computer Science References: Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 19:19:57 GMT Lines: 24 In article ssurpeat@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk (Richard T. Peat) writes: > Basically, targetting a ship manually is nigh on impossible, especially > if it's small. It's much easier to point in roughly the right direction, > and let the autopilot line it up properly, then let rip with the guns. It's very easy - switch off the Elite-style control emulation, reverse the up/down direction and then chase after objects with the mouse. Also, as the manual suggests, switching off the engines helps - you don't end up being pushed towards objects that you are trying to fire at. I thought that the controls [especially the speed controls] were particularly badly laid out until I worked this out. It would be better though if you could toggle a "ship control" mode rather than having to hold down the right mouse button. Also mouse movements should represent acceleration rather than movement in a given direction, so that you don't have to keep scuttering around with the mouse to follow things. The only trouble is that space combat then becomes trivial, even when fighting a number of big bastard ships at the same time. Dave Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!ieunet!maths.tcd.ie!not-for-mail From: dwmalone@maths.tcd.ie (David Malone) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: ENOUGH. LET'S DO IT NOW. (Frontier) Date: 2 Nov 1993 22:20:29 -0000 Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <2b6mfd$l1i@walton.maths.tcd.ie> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: walton.maths.tcd.ie shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes: >Ok, folks. I say we make a comp.sys.amiga.games.frontier. All in >favor, say AYE! AYE Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!news.funet.fi!klaava!klaava!not-for-mail From: lindblad@kruuna.Helsinki.FI (Jarkko Lindblad) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: FRONTIER: hyperspace drive 8 Date: 2 Nov 1993 21:15:01 +0200 Organization: University of Helsinki Lines: 28 Message-ID: <2b6bjl$9gl@kruuna.Helsinki.FI> References: <1993Nov2.022320.6170@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> <2b51et$heb@mits.mdata.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: kruuna.helsinki.fi X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Jarno Kokko (jarnis@mits.mdata.fi) wrote: > >Hi, > >does anyone out there know where the hell there is a place that will remove my > >class 8 hyperdriv from a panther clipper?? I've been looking for ages with no > >luck. > Another one of those nice features - if a ship has class 8-drive you > are stuck with it... absolutely no way to get rid of it OR to get new > one (say your drive breaks and you fly to station, you can't buy new > class 8-drive cause it's nowhere to be seen for sale) > Also that 'can only remove if same item is around for sale'-thing sucks > IMHO... Well, I think it allmost (!) realistic - if the workers of sme prison planet do not have any kind of idea on what is a military drive or plasma accelerator, removing it might be difficult, as could be estimating it's value. Jarkko "still competent and owning that nice 2kt panther with large plasma accelerator" Lindbald -- Jarkko Lindblad | lindblad@cc.helsinki.fi| Never give your trust away -----------------------| You'll end up paying till your dying day - Black Sabbath - | Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games From: andrew@zarquon.demon.co.uk (Andrew Baldwin) Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!pipex!demon!andrew Subject: Frontier - ship responses Distribution: world X-NewsSoftware: GRn 2.0 (16.8.93) by Michael B. Smith & Mike Schwartz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: The House of the Great Prophet Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 01:03:09 +0000 Message-ID: Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk Lines: 11 Has anyone had any interesting responses from talking to ships? All they ever seem to say to me is "None on your business" or "Ha ha" when I say "Surrender or die", shortly before blowing them out of the sky :) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew Baldwin - Struggling Physics Student, Imperial College, London email: andrew@zarquon.demon.co.uk --------- //| ---------------------- -------------------------------- Commodore \X/-|miga - NO LEMMING ZONE - Tiger Trader!, 600000c, 4MW Beam, Above Average!--------------------- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!cineret!shulick From: shulick@cineret.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) Subject: Re: Frontier - ship responses Message-ID: Sender: news@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu (USENET News System) Nntp-Posting-Host: cineret.ucs.indiana.edu Organization: Vallen Software References: Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 01:51:39 GMT Lines: 16 andrew@zarquon.demon.co.uk (Andrew Baldwin) writes: >Has anyone had any interesting responses from talking to ships? >All they ever seem to say to me is "None on your business" or >"Ha ha" when I say "Surrender or die", shortly before blowing >them out of the sky :) This is one "feature" of the game I can't stand. I wish you could actually have a somewhat intelligent conversation with the enemies, e.g. "What are you doing here?" "Commander Ickyfoot of the Puke System ordered me to have you destroyed for ." That would be great, but nooooo... *sigh* -- ########################################################################### Sam Hulick - shulick@indiana.edu | "CERT Advisory: Someone did something Tarador @ IRC | bad somewhere. Be careful." Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!ringer!qsnow From: qsnow@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Quentin Shane Snow) Subject: Re: Frontier - ship responses Message-ID: <1993Nov3.033202.6495@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> Organization: Univ of Texas at San Antonio X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 03:32:02 GMT Lines: 15 : This is one "feature" of the game I can't stand. I wish you could : actually have a somewhat intelligent conversation with the enemies, e.g. : "What are you doing here?" "Commander Ickyfoot of the Puke System : ordered me to have you destroyed for ." That would : be great, but nooooo... *sigh* Yes.. This would be great fun.. and to finish it off... ... ordered me to have you killed ... But, for a small negotiable FEE, we can forgo the ... missunderstanding! :) -- ________________________________________ \/ \/ Send E-MAIL to: QSnow@ringer.cs.utsa.edu /\________________________________________/\ Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!pipex!uunet!spool.mu.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!silver.ucs.indiana.edu!ecorbin From: ecorbin@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Earl Corbin) Subject: Re: Frontier demo is _CRAP_ Message-ID: Sender: news@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu (USENET News System) Nntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University References: <9329509.7568@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> <1993Oct24.202006.4875@bradford.ac.uk> Distribution: inet Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 07:59:09 GMT Lines: 45 In jkempnic@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au (Jason Kempnich) writes: >A.D.Brown@bradford.ac.uk (Alistair Brown) writes: >>I'm a PC user (just nipping onto this group to read about frontier :). I would >>say that no harm has been done by creating games that required more than the >>base machine, as long as the increase has been reasonable. I don't have a >>clue what levels of amiga machines are out there, but if you want the amiga >>to progress in power, then more programs need to require higher specs. than >>A500's. >Oh, how true those words are! I'd have to say that one of the Amiga's >biggest problems (if not *the* biggest) is that all games cater for the >lowest common denominator. It's like PC game writers writing *all* games >to work on an XT and if it works on the better machines, then thats a bonus. >I'm dying to see a 4000 specific game (although I doubt there will *ever* >be one, even in PD, as there isn't a market for it). >Some life will return to the Amiga scene if games designers forget about: >1) Non-AGA machines. >2) Non-Hard disk machines. >Of course, this will never happen, and I fear we will be playing Amiga 500 >compatible games until the day the Amiga is no longer here. Perhaps this >will be the very reason the Amiga will/is die/dying out. >Any comments? >Jason. >-- >+------------* Email: jkempnic@gucis.cit.gu.edu.au *-----------------/// >| "Got a brand new semi-automatic weapon with a laser sight, /// Intel >| Oh I'm praying somebody tries to break in here tonight!" \\\/// Outside >+-----* From the song "Trigger Happy" by Wierd Al Yankovic *-----\XX/ I agree. You got to think about this: how many Clone people bought a '386 or better so they could play Wing Commander at it's best? The Amiga needs a killer game that'll make people want to upgrade. I think Commodore is in financial trouble not because of competition with other platforms, but because they made machines that are so fun and usable that no one wants to upgrade. :) Earl Corbin ecorbin@indiana.edu Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!seunet!seunet!piraya!overdose!Mike_Noreen From: Mike_Noreen@p14.anet.bbs.bad.se (Mike Noreen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: FRONTIER BUGS Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Nov 93 09:41:06 +0200 References: Sender: BadNet@piraya.bad.se Reply-To: Mike_Noreen@p14.anet.bbs.bad.se (Mike Noreen) Distribution: world Organization: De Profundis, Stockholm, Sweden OD-Comment-To: Dino_Dini Lines: 15 In the message * FRONTIER BUGS * Dino wrote: DD> There seems to be a lot of talk about bugs in Frontier. Well, as it DD> happens I can get any bug reports you have to David Braben himself. Mail DD> me with your bugs and I'll make sure he gets the details. Will you take suggestions to him aswell? I've got quite a few... Great game, though! DD> Dino Dini MVH: Mike Noreen InterNet: radharc@p14.anet.bbs.bad.se FidoNet: 2:201/411.14 --- Spot 1.2b Unreg. Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!seunet!seunet!piraya!overdose!Mike_Noreen From: Mike_Noreen@p14.anet.bbs.bad.se (Mike Noreen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Frontier.exe: Is this what you get?? Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Nov 93 14:19:52 +0200 References: Sender: BadNet@piraya.bad.se Reply-To: Mike_Noreen@p14.anet.bbs.bad.se (Mike Noreen) Distribution: world Organization: De Profundis, Stockholm, Sweden OD-Comment-To: Trin_Yuthasastrackosol Lines: 22 In the message * Frontier.exe: Is this what you get?? * Trin wrote: TY> From: yuthas@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Trin Yuthasastrackosol) TY> I've just DL'd and viewed the frontier demo and liked it muchly. For TY> those of you who have it, how similiar is the demo to the actual game? Very. The demo is the intro to the game, but everything you see in the intro (ships, spacestations, planets..) are present in the game, and looks just the same. It is not just a pretty animation. TY> Also, if it is exactly the same, what detail level is the demo set at? The demo runs on the second highest level of detail; on my A3000 I am able to run the highest level of detail very nicely indeed. TY> Trin Dominic Yuthasastrakosol | We are like discrete sheep; MVH: Mike Noreen InterNet: radharc@p14.anet.bbs.bad.se FidoNet: 2:201/411.14 --- Spot 1.2b Unreg. Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!seunet!seunet!piraya!overdose!Mike_Noreen From: Mike_Noreen@p14.anet.bbs.bad.se (Mike Noreen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Waiting for FRONTIER II Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Nov 93 14:24:54 +0200 References: Sender: BadNet@piraya.bad.se Reply-To: Mike_Noreen@p14.anet.bbs.bad.se (Mike Noreen) Distribution: world Organization: De Profundis, Stockholm, Sweden OD-Comment-To: Kimmo_Veijalainen Lines: 35 In the message * Re: Waiting for FRONTIER II * Kimmo wrote: KV> From: veijalai@cc.lut.fi (Kimmo Veijalainen) KV> Mike_Noreen@p14.anet.bbs.bad.se (Mike Noreen) writes: >> Rainbird. They were called Rainbird at the time. They became firebird >> when they left British Telecom, and started selling budget games. I still >> have the original, with a big beautiful Rainbird on it, somewhere around >> here. KV> Wasn't it the other way around? I have an old poster on my wall with KV> Firebird/Rainbird/Whateveritwas logos on it. I think the third label KV> was for budget games... and all the old Elite boxes I've seen had that KV> nice red Firebird logo on them. The silver-colored one was the rainbird KV> logo... Starglider I was a Rainbird game, as was Carrier Command, so KV> they did not sell budget games under the Rainbird label. Hummm... I've still not found my original Elite game, but I distinctly rememberit having a silver rainbird on it, and it was _OLD_, from just after Elite was released for the Amiga... And it certainly wasn't a budget game either; I believe I shelled out the equiv. of 35 pounds for it... Perhaps some of the britons in this group can shed some light on this; was Firebird or Rainbird the original name, and which was it which released budget games? KV> _ // K.Veijalainen | GURPS aiheuttaa n{r{styst{ MVH: Mike Noreen InterNet: radharc@p14.anet.bbs.bad.se FidoNet: 2:201/411.14 --- Spot 1.2b Unreg. Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!spool.mu.edu!nigel.msen.com!yale.edu!xlink.net!subnet.sub.net!pfm!indi!Harry_Schittler From: Harry_Schittler@indi.rmt.sub.org (Harry Schittler) Subject: Re: Frontier - major bug Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games References: <2arl7v$nle@mits.mdata.fi> Distribution: inet X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Message-ID: Date: 1 Nov 93 14:03:29 MEZ Organization: The Independent BBS Lines: 38 Jarno Kokko (jarnis@mits.mdata.fi) wrote: : >Just advance the ships step by step. eg. Transporter->Lion-> etc. : And what if I want to change my Imperial Trader to say Tiger : Trader that is comparable ship? I think that crew should be : more readily availble. True : >I took a look at the Game binaries, it seems that you can get bigger : >military drives when you have earned a higher rang.. : I saw Military 4 but not bigger ones. : Also I still can't use better drives on imperial ships : even if the view screen claims it can use #7 drive... You can drive it to crap, this happend to my 2 times after a hyperspace jump... but if it happends while hyperspace youre really pissed .. :-( : So, still only 2-3 new mission types, and as far as I know, : convoys are there, but they are not in use in the game. Same : for Fighter launcher system... Why codeing something an not using it ?? : So what, it should work like stockmarket... or it could ask how many : tons or... : It still smells and feels like unfinished piece of crap. : I sure hope Braben is going to continue the development, It seems that they needed money to continue their work, but its ok for now... Harry Schittler / Arndtstr. 2 / 65185 Wiesbaden / root@indi.rmt.sub.org --- Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!spool.mu.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!xlink.net!subnet.sub.net!pfm!indi!Harry_Schittler From: Harry_Schittler@indi.rmt.sub.org (Harry Schittler) Subject: Re: Frontier - major bug Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games References: <2arlb3$nm7@mits.mdata.fi> Distribution: inet X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] Message-ID: Date: 1 Nov 93 14:05:52 MEZ Organization: The Independent BBS Lines: 20 Jarno Kokko (jarnis@mits.mdata.fi) wrote: : > I have seen a 1300 ton and 2000 ton ship, in case you hadn't : >seen them yet. : So what, they are sluggish and not usable really in combat situations, : and they bring you only more cargo space which you really dont' : need when you have 3 million in cash... and one does not need better : than 20MW beam for his gun, that baby already wipes everything in : seconds. That Lynx Bulk Carrier need a lot of hit, I'm also want to wipe out a Space Station ;-) Maybe next in Fontier II Harry Schittler / Arndtstr. 2 / 65185 Wiesbaden / root@indi.rmt.sub.org --- Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!decwrl!oracle!unrepliable!bounce Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games From: sessery@lucifer (Steve Essery) Subject: Re: Frontier bugs(?) Message-ID: <1993Nov3.090750.15201@oracle.us.oracle.com> Sender: usenet@oracle.us.oracle.com (Oracle News Poster) Nntp-Posting-Host: uks274.uk.oracle.com Reply-To: sessery@uk.oracle.com Organization: Oracle UK X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 References: <6KFMt*Dy2@gfxbase.in-berlin.de> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 09:07:50 GMT X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user at Oracle Corporation. The opinions expressed are those of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle. Lines: 7 How I started was at Lave Station, sell all the bits off the Cobra III and tradedown to a Viper say and equip that out. It leave you with a 'reasonable' starting craft with cargo space and a decent amount of working capital. -- Steve Essery Life is like a Merry-Go-Round, it sessery@uk.oracle.com has its Ups and Downs and you never seem to get anywhere. Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!ub4b!sunbim!usenet From: fr@sunbim.be (Farid Rahmi) Subject: Frontier 1.02 : Where ? Message-ID: <1993Nov3.093125.7719@sunbim.be> Sender: usenet@sunbim.be (user news) Reply-To: fr@sunbim.be Organization: BIM sa Date: Wed, 3 Nov 93 09:31:25 GMT Hi all, A friend of mine just received his copy of Frontier (ordered 6 munce ago) and found out he was running 1.00 instead of 1.02. He has random crashes (screen goes black, music lingers on) and his settings seem normal : A4000/030 4MB/80MB Frontier ico -> stack 65000 Where can he apply for a quick update to 1.02 ? Or should he increase stack size or something ? TIA, Farid Rahmi P.S.: I buy mine (PC) next Saturday. I *WILL* open the box ! Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!aun.uninett.no!news.uit.no!stud.cs.uit.no!nilss From: nilss@stud.cs.uit.no (Nils Petter Sudmann) Subject: Re: Frontiers..... Sender: news@news.uit.no (News admin.) Message-ID: <1993Nov3.100020.2519@news.uit.no> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 10:00:20 GMT Distribution: inet References: <1993Oct29.110948.25353@cc.ic.ac.uk> <1993Oct30.062216.2787@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> Organization: University of Tromsoe Lines: 44 In article , oahvenla@snakemail.hut.fi (Osma Ahvenlampi) writes: |> In article <1993Nov2.122907.3987@news.uit.no> nilss@stud.cs.uit.no (Nils Petter Sudmann) writes: |> >BTW: Wouldn't it be better (faster) if the auto pilot turned your ship around |> >halfway to the target and used (the more powerful) rear thrusters to slow down? |> >This would burn more fuel, but make your journey shorter (time). |> |> Yes it would. But the autopilot is stupid. |> If you think about it, it wouldn't even burn more fuel. You get a fixed amount |> of energy from one ton of fuel. This energy is turned to a pushing force by |> the thrusters. F=ma <=> a=F/m means that the more force you have pushing a |> gievn mass, the greater the acceleration is. |> Now, the more powerful main thrusters burn fuel quicker, and push with a |> greater force. This force accelerates (or decelerates) the ship quicker, so |> you need less time to reach a given speed. This means that when decelerating, |> will will stop quicker, ie. may start decelerating later. Now, you can spend |> the time won with this either coasting alog, which will not take any fuel, Why waste time??? |> but you'll still reach your destination faster, or you can accelerate longer, |> reaching higher maximum speed, and get there even more faster. This is what I meant, and this would burn MORE fuel. |> Since the Frontier simulates celestial mechanics quite correctly, there would |> be one even more efficient way of moving around: orbits. You would need even |> less fuel, and get there in the same or less time. |> -- |> Osma Ahvenlampi - oahvenla@snakemail.hut.fi - finger or mail for PGP key BTW: In the book describing some of the systems they talk about a planet with more mass than earth but since it is so small (!?!) it has less gravity (or something worded equally stupid). So this means that black holes would have no gravity at all (in Frontier ;-) Guess that's why we'ill never see them. Too bad that booklet is at home, would be interesting to know who wrote that... -- ******************************************************************************* * Truth:A random variable possible |__ /~/~/ Do it now | Nils Peter Sudmann * * containing complex numbers.|\ \/ / / 2000->4000, |nilss@stud.cs.uit.no* * Line 634582 from life.h | \/\/ / and join the |--------------------* * #DEFINE WORK sleep(10000) | ~~~~ winning team. | type >NIL: FLAMES * ******************************************************************************* Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!aun.uninett.no!news.uit.no!stud.cs.uit.no!nilss From: nilss@stud.cs.uit.no (Nils Petter Sudmann) Subject: Re: FRONTIER BUGS Sender: news@news.uit.no (News admin.) Message-ID: <1993Nov3.115334.4793@news.uit.no> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 11:53:34 GMT References: Organization: University of Tromsoe Lines: 160 In article , amiga@hosta.dircon.co.uk (Dino Dini) writes: |> Hello all you legitimate Frontier players, |> |> There seems to be a lot of talk about bugs in Frontier. Well, as it happens |> I can get any bug reports you have to David Braben himself. Mail me with |> your bugs and I'll make sure he gets the details. |> |> Please state exactly how, when and where the bug occurs and the frequency |> of occurance (i.e. every time you play, very rarely, etc.). *THIS IS MOST |> IMPORTANT*. Keep your reports concise and to the point. |> |> I will not bother with unclear bug reports, e.g. things such as "I am not |> sure how it happened, but once I was hyperspacing somewhere and I pressed |> a button (not sure which one) and the game crashed". Virtualy no help at all |> to a programmer I'm afraid. |> |> Regards, |> |> Dino Dini |> Well I have three bugs, which I think haven't been reported yet. BUT since one of them could seriously spoil your enjoyment of this great game, I will suggest a couple of improvements first, and get back to the bugs later... (1) Trading in illegal goods. Frontier is a game all about money, so the wise player will use any means available to become rich. one of these is smuggling. Problem: The fine of 2500 c is far to low. With a big ship and lots of hot goods, this will be a drip in the ocean. Also you can break the law a zillion times, but as long as you pay your fines, everything is fine (get it:-). Solution: Increase fines or put a reward on the criminal. This would be cool, with booty hunters all over the galaxy looking for you. It would also be a ranking in itself, like the old outlaws in the wild west. (2) Space combat Problem: Too difficult in the beginning, too easy when you get big ships, and "space combat, what is that?" when you get huge ships. Solution: Bigger better (and more) opponents. So what about those with tiny ships being attacked by larger (or several) opponents. Well, surrender (ie. surrender over radio and jettison all cargo), or outrun the larger (and slower) opponents. Also the manual mentions something about turrets on bigger ships. I think the whole idea about fixed guns is stupid. It is a fighter thing, and 2000 ton vessels shouldn't need to turn around to fire. So turrets should be on any ship which requires a crew (it would explain them too). Crew members could fire independently, get a hit accuracy and be fired or kept on this basis. The Plasma guns should be kept spinal mounted. So what is left for you the pilot? Either you can take over a turret and blast away, or you could fire missiles, set targets (which you gunners would fire at), take evasive action, etc etc. Now think about it: A heroic plunge towards the Phanter Clipper, avoiding all fire and delivering a fatal blow to it (hull < 20%), and then demanding their surrender, yess yess. And those opponents should get some training!!! I once fired my gun on a surface starport. I watched 4 vipers crash into the ground as they tried to blast me, and I NEVER EVEN MOVED. Now to the bugs: (I have a A4000/40, and all of these happen every time i run it) (1) When launching from Kohl City (Umicron Eridian [2,0]) you get no thrust and never leave the ground. You can't dip your nose upwards as you have height 0, only turn around. And after a long time you explode. This happens every time, but I haven't seen it anywhere else. A work around is to speed the game up max when launching. (2) Has anyone been able to lock onto Pluto in the Sol system map. It never shows any name, just an empty space in the orbital circle. If you try to click on it, it never centers. Same problem in other systems (mostly objects in far orbit). ************************* SPOILER ALERT ************************************* Do not read on if you wish keep enjoying the game!!!!!!!!!1 *********************** LAST CHANCE, STOP READING ************************* (3) In the Cemiess [-2,-2] system the black marked is totally screwed up. Listen to this: (from Emerald, Camp Lowing) At Judd's Trading Company, you can get Precious Metals for -3189.0 c (notice the '-' sign) and Gem Stones for -564.8 c (again, notice the '-' sign). Jesssir, that's right, we will pay YOU 3189 cool credits for each ton of filthy gold you can free us from. Dump it, sell it in a nearby system, we don't care. Just remember when you get back, there will be more waiting for you!!! Christ, I played for about 3 hours and upped my cash from 30000 c to 600000 c switching ship TWICE. Then I got sick of it and headed as far away as I could get in my Imperial Trader (w/ all the cool stuff you could ever ask for). -- ******************************************************************************* * Truth:A random variable possible |__ /~/~/ Do it now | Nils Peter Sudmann * * containing complex numbers.|\ \/ / / 2000->4000, |nilss@stud.cs.uit.no* * Line 634582 from life.h | \/\/ / and join the |--------------------* * #DEFINE WORK sleep(10000) | ~~~~ winning team. | type >NIL: FLAMES * ******************************************************************************* Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!doc.ic.ac.uk!cc.ic.ac.uk!conrad From: conrad@spva.ph.ic.ac.uk (Conrad Winchester) Subject: THE Frontier.... Message-ID: <1993Nov3.120848.15664@cc.ic.ac.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: prawn.sp.ph Organization: Imperial College of Science, Technology, and Medicine, London, England Date: Wed, 3 Nov 93 12:08:48 GMT Lines: 31 OK I went exploring last night and reached THE Frontier. I would say I went about 70-90 ly in one direction. Do you know what I found ? Very little................ It got quite rough but they only have small ships out there and so we wiped 'em. I did find a Frontier anarchy world of tourism ( :-) ). It's major imports were slaves and narcotics ( :-))))) ). The only things they had in at the ship shop were primitive ( but fairly cheap I have to say ) ( mainly cargo bay pressurisers, and we all know what they are for ). Any way it gave a good impression of going somewhere very seedy and was quite atmospheric, but I did get the impression that if I kept going I would find absolutely nothing after a while. This sort of means the rest of the galaxy is useless unless you like touring empty systems :-( . However if I could find rumours of an alien race to find then the hunt would be on, but I have a sneaking suspicion that I will not encounter such things. On the whole as I play Frontiers more I see what the Finnish guys complained about, but I still think that David Brabben has created a masterpiece of space simulation which I'm glad I spent my money on. However that space needs something in it to make it worthwhile exploring and I already know about trading and fighting. I might go exploring but I get the impression I will spend years on a ship with my crew just looking at 'small spheres of rock', 'no registered settlements'. Or maybe somebody will prove me wrong.... Conrad Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!glasgow!shawad From: shawad@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Alan D Shaw) Subject: Re: THE Frontier.... Message-ID: Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept. References: <1993Nov3.120848.15664@cc.ic.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 13:18:24 GMT Lines: 10 conrad@spva.ph.ic.ac.uk (Conrad Winchester) writes: > I might go exploring but I get the impression > I will spend years on a ship with my crew just looking at 'small spheres of > rock', 'no registered settlements'. Or maybe somebody will prove me wrong.... Just a thought, but maybe that's the point. NO REGISTERED SETTLEMENTS. Has anyone thoroughly explored one of these systems?? Al. Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!reading!hardy!ssurpeat From: ssurpeat@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk (Richard T. Peat) Subject: Re: FRONTIER: hyperspace drive 8 Message-ID: Sender: news@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: hardy Reply-To: ssurpeat@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., University of Reading References: <1993Nov2.022320.6170@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 12:32:55 GMT Lines: 15 In article 6170@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au, ins557g@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Mark Brophy) writes: > >Hi, >does anyone out there know where the hell there is a place that will remove my >class 8 hyperdriv from a panther clipper?? I've been looking for ages with no >luck. Thanks, email responses please. And also, why can't the panther have a fuel scoop. It's soooooooo annoying. Actually it's probably like buying an expensive car irl, and realising that it can only have a crap stero or something..... Richard. Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!pipex!uknet!reading!hardy!ssurpeat From: ssurpeat@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk (Richard T. Peat) Subject: Re: FRONTIER: hyperspace drive 8 Message-ID: Sender: news@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: hardy Reply-To: ssurpeat@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., University of Reading References: <2b51et$heb@mits.mdata.fi> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 12:40:40 GMT Lines: 24 In article heb@mits.mdata.fi, jarnis@mits.mdata.fi (Jarno Kokko) writes: >>Hi, >>does anyone out there know where the hell there is a place that will remove my >>class 8 hyperdriv from a panther clipper?? I've been looking for ages with no >>luck. > >Another one of those nice features - if a ship has class 8-drive you >are stuck with it... absolutely no way to get rid of it OR to get new >one (say your drive breaks and you fly to station, you can't buy new >class 8-drive cause it's nowhere to be seen for sale) > >Also that 'can only remove if same item is around for sale'-thing sucks >IMHO... > >- Jarnis The manual says that drives above class 7 are 'only available from specialists'.... So where are the specialists? Richard. Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!math.fu-berlin.de!uni-paderborn.de!urmel.informatik.rwth-aachen.de!rubb.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de!news.uni-bielefeld.de!jfiedler From: jfiedler@hrz.uni-bielefeld.de ( Joerg Fiedler) Subject: Re: ENOUGH. LET'S DO IT NOW. (Frontier) Sender: news@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de (News Administrator) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 12:35:24 GMT References: <2b6mfd$l1i@walton.maths.tcd.ie> Nntp-Posting-Host: dave.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de Organization: Universitaet Bielefeld, Rechenzentrum Lines: 10 In article <2b6mfd$l1i@walton.maths.tcd.ie> dwmalone@maths.tcd.ie (David Malone) writes: >>Ok, folks. I say we make a comp.sys.amiga.games.frontier. All in >>favor, say AYE! >AYE AYE -- Joerg E-Mail jfiedler@hrz.uni-bielefeld.de Post Marienstr.3 33813 Oerlinghausen Phone +49 05202 15258 Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!reading!hardy!ssurpeat From: ssurpeat@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk (Richard T. Peat) Subject: Re: ENOUGH. LET'S DO IT NOW. (Frontier) Message-ID: Sender: news@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: hardy Reply-To: ssurpeat@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., University of Reading References: <2b6mfd$l1i@walton.maths.tcd.ie> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 12:42:46 GMT Lines: 13 In article l1i@walton.maths.tcd.ie, dwmalone@maths.tcd.ie (David Malone) writes: >shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes: > > >>Ok, folks. I say we make a comp.sys.amiga.games.frontier. All in >>favor, say AYE! > >AYE AYE! Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!reading!hardy!ssurpeat From: ssurpeat@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk (Richard T. Peat) Subject: Re: Frontiers ( Proxima Centauri ) Message-ID: Sender: news@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: hardy Reply-To: ssurpeat@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., University of Reading References: <1993Nov2.155711.29061@cc.ic.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 12:37:39 GMT Lines: 30 In article 29061@cc.ic.ac.uk, conrad@spva.ph.ic.ac.uk (Conrad Winchester) writes: > > > OK a quick astronavigation problem for you. I have been to the Eden > space station twice. This is around Proxima centauri. The problem is that > when you jump to Alpha centauri ( the only way I can find to get to > proxima centauri ) you end up about 900 AU away from proxima. It takes > a full internal tank of an ASP to get there and it takes about a month. > Is there any way to jump there ? Is there an easy way? The reason I > ask is that sometimes you get military missions to Alpha Centauri and Eden is > the only place to go and it takes ages.......... > > Conrad > > The first time I went there, I ran out of fuel completely, and ended up going shooting past Proxima into oblivion. I think the thing is, that the system itself is Alpha Centauri, but, like most of the multiple-star star systems in the game, it is very big. The hyperspace tends to drop you in fairly close to the centre of the system, I suspect because in most other star systems, this is where the inhabited planets are. In the Alpha Centauri system, this isn't the case. Another notable multi-star system is Achenar, the Imperial capital, it's a rather long journey to Capitol in that system too. Richard. Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!reading!hardy!ssurpeat From: ssurpeat@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk (Richard T. Peat) Subject: Re: Frontiers..... Message-ID: Sender: news@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: hardy Reply-To: ssurpeat@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., University of Reading References: <1993Nov2.122907.3987@news.uit.no> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 12:46:21 GMT Lines: 13 In article 3987@news.uit.no, nilss@stud.cs.uit.no (Nils Petter Sudmann) writes: >BTW: Wouldn't it be better (faster) if the auto pilot turned your ship around >halfway to the target and used (the more powerful) rear thrusters to slow down? >This would burn more fuel, but make your journey shorter (time). > It occasionally does. The autopilot generally doesn't go very fast, so it can slow down easily. Try using manual control, and increase your speed as much as possible towards the auto pilot target, then, when you're fairly close, cut in the autopilot. It should flip the ship, and use the main drive to try and slow down. Richard. Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!reading!hardy!ssurpeat From: ssurpeat@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk (Richard T. Peat) Subject: Re: Frontier Message-ID: Sender: news@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: hardy Reply-To: ssurpeat@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., University of Reading References: Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 12:50:28 GMT Lines: 33 In article 93Nov2201957@aloha.compsci.bristol.ac.uk, carter@aloha.compsci.bristol.ac.uk (David Carter) writes: >In article ssurpeat@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk >(Richard T. Peat) writes: > >> Basically, targetting a ship manually is nigh on impossible, especially >> if it's small. It's much easier to point in roughly the right direction, >> and let the autopilot line it up properly, then let rip with the guns. > > It's very easy - switch off the Elite-style control emulation, reverse >the up/down direction and then chase after objects with the mouse. Also, as >the manual suggests, switching off the engines helps - you don't end up >being pushed towards objects that you are trying to fire at. > > I thought that the controls [especially the speed controls] were >particularly badly laid out until I worked this out. It would be better >though if you could toggle a "ship control" mode rather than having to hold >down the right mouse button. Also mouse movements should represent >acceleration rather than movement in a given direction, so that you don't >have to keep scuttering around with the mouse to follow things. > > The only trouble is that space combat then becomes trivial, even when >fighting a number of big bastard ships at the same time. > >Dave > Having got a ship with gun turrets, fighting seems much easier, as the turrets swivel a lot faster, and seem a lot easier to get pointing in the right direction..... Richard. Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!reading!hardy!ssurpeat From: ssurpeat@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk (Richard T. Peat) Subject: Re: Frontier: Systems without starports. Message-ID: Sender: news@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: hardy Reply-To: ssurpeat@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., University of Reading References: <1993Nov2.103143.20351@krk.fi> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 12:52:25 GMT Lines: 27 In article 20351@krk.fi, oh2lpl@krk.fi (Kai-Peter B{ckman) writes: > I just have one simple question. > > How does one trade or deliver parcels to systems that does not >have any starports? > > When I started to solve this problem I noticed on page 45 in the >manual a picture where a communication screen is activated and >one of the options is: "Send message to Mars..". After seeing >this I thought that it probably would solve my problems because >if I could communicate with the planet I could probably get >the information I wanted but I can't figure out how I would >activate this mode. > > Thank you for any information. > > oh2lpl@krksun.krk.fi > It's not explicitly mentioned in the manual, but in a lot of cases it is possible to communicate with what your autopilot has targetted, starports, ships or whatever. Fairly limited number of messages though. Richard. Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!munnari.oz.au!newsroom.utas.edu.au!twilight1h121.its.utas.edu.au!user From: n_deakin@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Nick Deakin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Anyone know David Braben's email address? Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga.games Date: 3 Nov 1993 15:10:37 GMT Organization: University of Tasmania Lines: 18 Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: twilight1h121.its.utas.edu.au I'm about to buy Frontier and I was wondering if anyone could email me David Braben's email address. Thanks in advance Nick ______________________________________________________________________________ Nicholas Deakin University of Tasmania, Australia n_deakin@postoffice.utas.edu.au There is a theory that if the exact nature and purpose of the universe is ever discovered, it will instantly vanish and be replaced by something even more inexplicable and bizarre. There is a second theory which states that this has already happened. ______________________________________________________________________________ Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!titan.inmos.co.uk!brwbf!darren From: darren@inmos.co.uk (Darren Carpenter) Subject: Frontier, (Ship recommendations) Message-ID: <1993Nov3.161213.21574@inmos.co.uk> Sender: darren@brwbf (Darren Carpenter) Organization: INMOS Limited, Bristol, UK Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 16:12:13 GMT Lines: 21 Hi, I have been playing frontier for a long time now (well actually I have only had it a couple of days, but many hours of game play have passed ;-) I am currently rated as competent and have lots of money. Now the question , Having tryed out lots of ships right upto the panther class and also imperial traders etc. I have settled on a cobra Mk III. Would you please E-mail me recommendations of ship/equipment combination that you are using and why you like this combination. Also I would now like to start doing a lot more military missions, thus I only require a smallish, fast, moderatly well armed ship, subsequently the cobra mkIII with a military class 3 drive. Does anyone have recommendations for a better combination. Regards, Darren. Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!pipex!uunet!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!cville-srv.wam.umd.edu!davereed From: davereed@wam.umd.edu (Michael Robert Bromery) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Frontier, (Ship recommendations) Date: 3 Nov 1993 16:36:39 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 10 Message-ID: <2b8mmn$g3k@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> References: <1993Nov3.161213.21574@inmos.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: rac5.wam.umd.edu I have a question. Has anybody in the States managed to get this game? And if you have, where did you get it from? It seems that everybody I called doesn't have it. Seems Hired Guns, Frontier, and Alien Breed 2 are the main talked about things here, but actually, I'd like to know more about Alien Breed 2. I already know a few friends who are interested in getting this game. -- Mike Bromery. Email: davereed@wam.umd.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!catfish!cscsun!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!liberty!jspeton From: jspeton@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Jean-Guy D. Speton) Subject: Re: Any Frontier Tips? Message-ID: <1993Nov3.162811.5070@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 16:28:11 GMT References: <2b40bsINN62u@slate.usl.com> Organization: Washington & Lee University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 19 -rohan-+Dunkerson C.B. (conrad@usl.com) wrote: : Yes. Indeed, I found it rather amusing after turning off the computer to take : a break from the 4 200+ ton ship assaults to get on the net and find people : talking about meeting 'two ships AT THE SAME TIME!!!' and bemoaning the fact : that there isn't an enemy in the game that can't stand up to a few hits with a : 1 MW pulse laser. For a while I wondered if we were playing the same game at : all. :) Let me get this straight: you had 4 ships attack you AT THE SAME TIME? Aside from police attacks, I've yet to encounter >1 ship at once (I do get them in bunches, but the next appears only after I've killed the previous). Might I ask where you are hanging out? I stick around the central systems mostly so maybe that's the problem. Sergeant/Squire/Competent (I've been Competent for forever now it seems). -- Jean-Guy Speton \ "Don't just stand there and shout it, \ jspeton@wlu.edu \ do something about it..." - ML Gore \ IRC: Spinner Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!catfish!cscsun!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!liberty!jspeton From: jspeton@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Jean-Guy D. Speton) Subject: Re: Frontier: Systems without starports. Message-ID: <1993Nov3.163230.5483@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 16:32:30 GMT References: <1993Nov2.103143.20351@krk.fi> Organization: Washington & Lee University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 27 Kai-Peter B{ckman (oh2lpl@krk.fi) wrote: : I just have one simple question. : How does one trade or deliver parcels to systems that does not : have any starports? I dunno (wish I did!). : When I started to solve this problem I noticed on page 45 in the : manual a picture where a communication screen is activated and : one of the options is: "Send message to Mars..". After seeing : this I thought that it probably would solve my problems because : if I could communicate with the planet I could probably get : the information I wanted but I can't figure out how I would : activate this mode. Select a starport as your auto-pilot target and press F4 for the communcations options... it will allow you to send a message to the station (either "Surrender or Die!" or "Get stock-market listing (1.0C)". Hmm... that reminds me... has anyone send a surrender message to a ship and actually gotten other than "Ha Ha"? I can shoot em down to 1% hull and still they insist I blow them to smithereens. The dummies! -- Jean-Guy Speton \ "Don't just stand there and shout it, \ jspeton@wlu.edu \ do something about it..." - ML Gore \ IRC: Spinner Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!pipex!uunet!catfish!cscsun!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!liberty!jspeton From: jspeton@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Jean-Guy D. Speton) Subject: Re: Frontier Message-ID: <1993Nov3.163453.5777@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 16:34:53 GMT References: Organization: Washington & Lee University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 12 David Carter (carter@aloha.compsci.bristol.ac.uk) wrote: : The only trouble is that space combat then becomes trivial, even when : fighting a number of big bastard ships at the same time. Where where where?! What's your Elite ranking? Has anyone taken out one of those long range cruisers yet? They're huge! (Next time I see one, I'm taking a crack. :) -- Jean-Guy Speton \ "Don't just stand there and shout it, \ jspeton@wlu.edu \ do something about it..." - ML Gore \ IRC: Spinner Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!catfish!cscsun!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!liberty!jspeton From: jspeton@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Jean-Guy D. Speton) Subject: Re: PC/Amiga Frontier demo compared Message-ID: <1993Nov3.165523.8172@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 16:55:23 GMT References: <1993Nov2.084713.29167@news.uit.no> Organization: Washington & Lee University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 16 Nils Petter Sudmann (nilss@stud.cs.uit.no) wrote: : ship painted like this?? Surly in space a totally black ship would offer the : best protection agains visual observations (black would be ultra-cool too :) Actually, unless the ships have great big lights on the hull, they shouldn't be visible from any decent distance. Space is DARK. The blue backgrounds should really be black. In deep space (away from any near star -- read no solar system) which happens sometimes with a faulty drive, you shouldn't be able to see anything except the points of distant stars. I mean if something floated by 10 m from your ship you shouldn't see it (unless you had a light on it). But Frontier is a game, and we can't very well have that. ;) -- Jean-Guy Speton \ "Don't just stand there and shout it, \ jspeton@wlu.edu \ do something about it..." - ML Gore \ IRC: Spinner Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!news.funet.fi!sauna.cs.hut.fi!zelda.cs.hut.fi!jthuttun From: jthuttun@zelda.cs.hut.fi (Janne Huttunen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: ENOUGH. LET'S DO IT NOW. (Frontier) Date: 4 Nov 1993 10:16:26 GMT Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab Lines: 16 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <2bakpq$kni@sauna.cs.hut.fi> References: <2b6mfd$l1i@walton.maths.tcd.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: zelda.cs.hut.fi In ssurpeat@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk (Richard T. Peat) writes: >In article l1i@walton.maths.tcd.ie, dwmalone@maths.tcd.ie (David Malone) writes: >>shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes: >> >> >>>Ok, folks. I say we make a comp.sys.amiga.games.frontier. All in >>>favor, say AYE! >> >>AYE >AYE! AYE Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!glasgow!udcf.glasgow.ac.uk!v2.ph.gla.ac.uk!gowdy From: gowdy@v2.ph.gla.ac.uk (Stephen J.Gowdy) Subject: Re: Frontiers..... Message-ID: <3NOV199309335646@v2.ph.gla.ac.uk> News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Sender: news@udcf.glasgow.ac.uk Organization: University Of Glasgow References: <1993Oct29.110948.25353@cc.ic.ac.uk> <1993Oct30.062216.2787@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> Distribution: inet Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 09:33:00 GMT Lines: 52 In article , oahvenla@snakemail.hut.fi (Osma Ahvenlampi) writes... >In article <1993Nov2.122907.3987@news.uit.no> nilss@stud.cs.uit.no (Nils Petter Sudmann) writes: > >>In article <1993Oct30.062216.2787@liberty.uc.wlu.edu>, jspeton@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Jean-Guy D. Speton) writes: > >>|> Yes -- wake up! It's not a problem, it's REALITY. In space, when you are >>|> going in very high velocities, you expect to be able to stop on a dime? >>|> Elite was bad this way, Frontier is correct! If you use the auto pilot >>|> you'll notice it starts slowing down halfway to the target: that's because >>|> it needs all that time to slow down! You can't burn it to a location and > >>BTW: Wouldn't it be better (faster) if the auto pilot turned your ship around >>halfway to the target and used (the more powerful) rear thrusters to slow down? >>This would burn more fuel, but make your journey shorter (time). > >Yes it would. But the autopilot is stupid. >If you think about it, it wouldn't even burn more fuel. You get a fixed amount >of energy from one ton of fuel. This energy is turned to a pushing force by >the thrusters. F=ma <=> a=F/m means that the more force you have pushing a >gievn mass, the greater the acceleration is. >Now, the more powerful main thrusters burn fuel quicker, and push with a >greater force. This force accelerates (or decelerates) the ship quicker, so >you need less time to reach a given speed. This means that when decelerating, >will will stop quicker, ie. may start decelerating later. Now, you can spend >the time won with this either coasting alog, which will not take any fuel, >but you'll still reach your destination faster, or you can accelerate longer, >reaching higher maximum speed, and get there even more faster. > >Since the Frontier simulates celestial mechanics quite correctly, there would >be one even more efficient way of moving around: orbits. You would need even >less fuel, and get there in the same or less time. >-- >Osma Ahvenlampi - oahvenla@snakemail.hut.fi - finger or mail for PGP key I'm not 100% sure about this, but I seem to recall that thrusters use the mass of the fuel to apply a force. The force is proportional to the rate of mass loss. The force is found from pushing the mass out in the opposite direction to the direction you want to move in, in other words you give some of your momentum to the fuel which is ejected out you thruster. I'm not sure if this effects the basic argument though, I can't see how it would change the fact about needing the same amount of fuel. I'll think about it if I get a chance. **************************************************************************** *Stephen J Gowdy *A4000/040* High Energy Physics Group, * *Bitnet: GOWDY AT GWIA *120 MB HD* Dept Of Physics & Astronomy, * *DecNet: 20075::GOWDY *6MEG RAM!* University of Glasgow. * *InterNet: GOWDY@v1.ph.gla.ac.uk*It moves!* Tel: +44 (0)41 339 8855 E:5893 * **************************************************************************** Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!glasgow!udcf.glasgow.ac.uk!v2.ph.gla.ac.uk!gowdy From: gowdy@v2.ph.gla.ac.uk (Stephen J.Gowdy) Subject: Re: ENOUGH. LET'S DO IT NOW. (Frontier) Message-ID: <3NOV199309462433@v2.ph.gla.ac.uk> News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Sender: news@udcf.glasgow.ac.uk Organization: University Of Glasgow References: <2b6mfd$l1i@walton.maths.tcd.ie> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1993 09:46:00 GMT Lines: 17 In article <2b6mfd$l1i@walton.maths.tcd.ie>, dwmalone@maths.tcd.ie (David Malone) writes... >shulick@navajo.ucs.indiana.edu (Sam Hulick) writes: > > >>Ok, folks. I say we make a comp.sys.amiga.games.frontier. All in >>favor, say AYE! > >AYE AYE **************************************************************************** *Stephen J Gowdy *A4000/040* High Energy Physics Group, * *Bitnet: GOWDY AT GWIA *120 MB HD* Dept Of Physics & Astronomy, * *DecNet: 20075::GOWDY *6MEG RAM!* University of Glasgow. * *InterNet: GOWDY@v1.ph.gla.ac.uk*It moves!* Tel: +44 (0)41 339 8855 E:5893 * **************************************************************************** Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!aun.uninett.no!news.uit.no!stud.cs.uit.no!nilss From: nilss@stud.cs.uit.no (Nils Petter Sudmann) Subject: Re: PC/Amiga Frontier demo compared Sender: news@news.uit.no (News admin.) Message-ID: <1993Nov4.105636.8706@news.uit.no> Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1993 10:56:36 GMT References: <1993Nov2.084713.29167@news.uit.no> <1993Nov3.165523.8172@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> Organization: University of Tromsoe Lines: 43 In article <1993Nov3.165523.8172@liberty.uc.wlu.edu>, jspeton@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Jean-Guy D. Speton) writes: |> |> Actually, unless the ships have great big lights on the hull, they |> shouldn't be visible from any decent distance. Space is DARK. The blue Hmm, with a sun behind you and looking at a fairly large ship light tends to bounce off it. Even lookine at a tiny ship, you would see it. Yes, space scenery has a rather dull backround (black with some tiny lights), but that is just because it is so mindboggingly empty. But, sometimes when you look at a dark object (spaceship) close bright object (star) you would have a hard time spotting it. (That's why no planetary systems outside sol has been detected). |> backgrounds should really be black. In deep space (away from any near |> star -- read no solar system) which happens sometimes with a faulty drive, |> you shouldn't be able to see anything except the points of distant stars. Well you have neublas (not sure if I spelled that one correct), generally large (read: VAST) clouds of dust blown off super-novas. They are quite frequent, and come in all colors (depending on the materials the dust is made of). They are illuminated from within by newborn stars (pretty, pretty) and so don't need to 'have a light at it'. |> I mean if something floated by 10 m from your ship you shouldn't see it |> (unless you had a light on it). But Frontier is a game, and we can't very |> well have that. ;) |> Wouldn't it block out the background?? Anyway there is always some light (however weak) which will bounce off the Paladine Super Clipper (which off course is white). BTW: Surly we are talking about encounters inside a solar system (ie. fairly near a star), since the chances of meeting something out there 'in between' is just another infinite improperability. -- ******************************************************************************* * Truth:A random variable possible |__ /~/~/ Do it now | Nils Peter Sudmann * * containing complex numbers.|\ \/ / / 2000->4000, |nilss@stud.cs.uit.no* * Line 634582 from life.h | \/\/ / and join the |--------------------* * #DEFINE WORK sleep(10000) | ~~~~ winning team. | type >NIL: FLAMES * ******************************************************************************* Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!news.mic.ucla.edu!unixg.ubc.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!news.UVic.CA!amusers.UUCP!Marc_De_Roos From: Marc_De_Roos@amusers.UUCP (Marc De Roos) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Frontier vs Warhead F=ma Distribution: world Message-ID: Date: 1 Nov 93 23:12:45 PST Organization: AmUsers - The Amiga Users Group of Victoria BC Lines: 85 In all the comparisons made between Warhead and Frontier I have not yet heard about the most obvious, and in my opinion, most important aspects of this simulator - the flight control/orientation system. I have heard that Frontier follows a "Force = Mass x Acceleration" equation similar to that of Warhead. How do the two control systems compare? Things I like about Warheads control system: Relative ease of use. (still requires practice) Forward/reverse thrusters are represented by left/right mouse buttons. (the main thrusters vs the retrothrust performance ratio is 6.3g to 1g.) General ship orientation is accomplished via the mouse - although I much prefer a trackball for this. Warhead offers manual in addition to auto control of all the following attitude functions: 1. One keypress auto-orients your ship's nose towards the direction of motion. 2. One keypress auto-orients your ship's nose opposite to your direction of motion. (facing rearward) 3. One keypress stops your ship automatically via the retro thrusters - or if necessary, during high velocity, it about-faces your ship and fires the main thrusters to execute a full stop of your momentum. 4. One keypress locks your nose onto a designated target, whether your moving or not.(I have heard inferences that Frontier has this feature) 5. Fine positioning option. Inertial dampers are available at a keypress (if you're having REAL trouble with drift). This doubles as an inertialess flight option. 6. Auto Fly & Halt. This key flys you close to a designated target and parks you there. (the ability to preset the distance from target would have been a plus) 7. One other really helpful feature is the way the HUD system graphically depicts your relative speed/orientation and trajectory. As you travel, intially green colored dots on the HUD appear to move towards, across or receed into the distance (depending upon your ships orientation). As your speed increased in magnitude the dots shifted to blue, then on towards red when entering maximum velocity range. IMHO the above are not features but integral ingredients required for a TRULY effective and intuitive spacecraft orientation/control system. Warhead has it's bugs, and it does lack the open endedness of ELITE wich I still dearly love, but it sets a HUGE precedent in my book insofaras the nav/control system that it utilizes. Is Frontier's control system the be-all-end-all? No room for improvement? Any Warheader/Frontierman care to indulge in a point by point comparison? I'd like to know if and how the two sims differ in these respects. An aspect of the original ELITE that impressed me was it's easy to use/understand point & click intuition interface as well as it's multi in cockpit views - does Frontier still remain faithful to these tried and tested conventions? Detail level vs cockpit window size: I've read a lot about detail settings in Frontier, but nowhere do I hear about an option to adjust the size of the 3D action window - after all the original ELITE had a window size about 4X3"(?) and was VERY playable. This would open the game up to a potentialy larger market share as well as speed the game up considerably for many people. (ref. A-10 by Dynamix) .\\arc de Roos AKA: -=> Dragonhawk <=- AmUsers & R.DE@GENIE.GEIS.COM A M I G A U S E R G R O U P , V I C T O R I A , B C C A N A D A PS. An honorable mention must be made in regards to one of Warhead's most realistic military features - a "Mass Driver Cannon" - missile killer that took real talent to use in dogfights! ..Is such available in Frontier...?? -- Via DLG Pro v0.995 Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!nessie!mucs!hornb From: hornb@cs.man.ac.uk (Bruce Horn) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Frontiers..... Message-ID: <1993Nov4.121652@cs.man.ac.uk> Date: 4 Nov 93 12:16:52 GMT References: <1993Oct29.110948.25353@cc.ic.ac.uk> <1993Oct30.062216.2787@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> <1993Nov2.122907.3987@news.uit.no> Sender: news@cs.man.ac.uk Organization: Dept Computer Science, University of Manchester, U.K. Lines: 20 In article <1993Nov2.122907.3987@news.uit.no>, nilss@stud.cs.uit.no (Nils Petter Sudmann) writes: |> In article <1993Oct30.062216.2787@liberty.uc.wlu.edu>, jspeton@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Jean-Guy D. Speton) writes: |> |> |> Yes -- wake up! It's not a problem, it's REALITY. In space, when you are |> |> going in very high velocities, you expect to be able to stop on a dime? |> |> Elite was bad this way, Frontier is correct! If you use the auto pilot |> |> you'll notice it starts slowing down halfway to the target: that's because |> |> it needs all that time to slow down! You can't burn it to a location and |> |> BTW: Wouldn't it be better (faster) if the auto pilot turned your ship around |> halfway to the target and used (the more powerful) rear thrusters to slow down? |> This would burn more fuel, but make your journey shorter (time). Does it really make much difference with the accelerated time option on? Unless when you get to the year 3271 your character dies of old age, in which case every second counts! Bruce A. Horn - Department Of Computer Science, Manchester University. Email: bruce.horn@cs.man.ac.uk Or: hornb@cs.man.ac.uk Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!ogicse!psgrain!percy!agora!nesbbx!The_Doctor From: The_Doctor@nesbbx.rain.COM (Michel J. Brown) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Frontier, oo, oo tell me tell me! Message-ID: Date: 26 Oct 93 08:20:32 GMT Article-I.D.: nesbbx.The_Doctor.079n Organization: NESBBX Bulletin Board System Lines: 26 X-Newsreader: BBX-UMB-Legacy In , Mike_Noreen@p14.anet.bbs.bad.se (Mike Noreen) writes: > In the message * Frontier, oo, oo tell me tell me! * Mark wrote: > [Previous fluff deleted] On the practical side of things, will Frontier be hard drive installable, accelerator friendly, OS 2.X plus compliant, *NOT* copy protected, or Enforcer compliant? The demo was, IMHO, *LAME*, and the strobing of the colors on the animated objects gave me a headache, as well as the background color cycling. BTW will the Enforcer hits be missing? I got over 300 of 'em in just the demo alone (soft reboot with ram: save file). All in all this *could* be a fine product, providing that the demo is'nt a preview of things to come ;-7 Just my $0.02 worth, share and enjoy! Virtually yours, Michel || __||__ The opinions expressed by this author Michel_J._Brown@nesbbx.rain.COM __ __ are mine, and mine alone, and anybody || claiming any resemblance to ideations || on my part should be ashamed to admit || it publicly! God Bless, and BCNU! Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!ogicse!psgrain!percy!agora!nesbbx!The_Doctor From: The_Doctor@nesbbx.rain.COM (Michel J. Brown) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Frontier, oo, oo tell me tell me! Message-ID: Date: 27 Oct 93 07:19:15 GMT Article-I.D.: nesbbx.The_Doctor.082a Organization: NESBBX Bulletin Board System Lines: 26 X-Newsreader: BBX-UMB-Legacy In , Mike_Noreen@p14.anet.bbs.bad.se (Mike Noreen) writes: > In the message * Frontier, oo, oo tell me tell me! * Mark wrote: > [Previous fluff deleted] On the practical side of things, will Frontier be hard drive installable, accelerator friendly, OS 2.X plus compliant, *NOT* copy protected, or Enforcer compliant? The demo was, IMHO, *LAME*, and the strobing of the colors on the animated objects gave me a headache, as well as the background color cycling. BTW will the Enforcer hits be missing? I got over 300 of 'em in just the demo alone (soft reboot with ram: save file). All in all this *could* be a fine product, providing that the demo is'nt a preview of things to come ;-7 Just my $0.02 worth, share and enjoy! Virtually yours, Michel || __||__ The opinions expressed by this author Michel_J._Brown@nesbbx.rain.COM __ __ are mine, and mine alone, and anybody || claiming any resemblance to ideations || on my part should be ashamed to admit || it publicly! God Bless, and BCNU! Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!ogicse!psgrain!percy!agora!nesbbx!The_Doctor From: The_Doctor@nesbbx.rain.COM (Michel J. Brown) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: First(?) Frontier Review... Message-ID: Date: 26 Oct 93 18:08:50 GMT Article-I.D.: nesbbx.The_Doctor.07mx Organization: NESBBX Bulletin Board System Lines: 31 X-Newsreader: BBX-UMB-Legacy In , aissande@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (George Sanderson) writes: > > Texture mapping is a method of projecting ('mapping') a picture > > ('texture') onto a polygon. On the Amiga version of Frontier, filled > > vectors are used, while the PC version features texture mapping on > > some objects. This means that those objects look more detailed. > > Yikes!!! > > Will there be a AGA version? AGA can easily handle the "PC version" > texture mapping. > The ECS machines can also handle 'texture mapping', another way of wrapping a brush onto an object, which I do all of the time with Imagine 2.0 :^) Seems as if these ports are from the Pea-Sea, and they don't make use of the custom chipset for this kind of thing. BTW, most of my animations run from between 30 and 60 fps (A2500/030/882) . Prolly jus' another piss poor C portover from another lackadasical programmer trying to cut corners for the higher profit margins! Warm regards, Michel || __||__ The opinions expressed by this author Michel_J._Brown@nesbbx.rain.COM __ __ are mine, and mine alone, and anybody || claiming any resemblance to ideations || on my part should be ashamed to admit || it publicly! God Bless, and BCNU! Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!ogicse!psgrain!percy!agora!nesbbx!The_Doctor From: The_Doctor@nesbbx.rain.COM (Michel J. Brown) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: FRONTIER DELAY Message-ID: Date: 26 Oct 93 18:09:07 GMT Article-I.D.: nesbbx.The_Doctor.07nf Organization: NESBBX Bulletin Board System Lines: 34 X-Newsreader: BBX-UMB-Legacy In <29eu8v$kio@salyko.cube.net>, port@salyko.cube.net (Stefan Schultze) writes: > Well, if this goes on with this delays, you couldn't imagine > the rush of the bulk of fanatic computer owners, running > down all software shops in a search for the last avaiable > copy of eliteII. :) > > So long, > Stefan > > -- Well, *this* user can wait. I have *ALWAYS* seen new stuff go for half to third, or even a fourth of list in just a few months! Take Shadow of the Beast III, original retail was $49.95 US, then after just 90 days, I picked up a *new* copy for only $14.95 US! A considerable savings. Besides, I only buy entertainment s/w that is non-linear so that I can enjoy them for as long as I want. Nothing worse than getting something, playing it for 4-5 hours, and then beating it, and forgeting it. IMHO, anything else is just a waste of money, I'll sit back and wait to see what happens in the *REAL* world first, instead of the prognostications of those clairyvoyents out there in the virtual world ;-7 Virtually yours, Michel || __||__ The opinions expressed by this author Michel_J._Brown@nesbbx.rain.COM __ __ are mine, and mine alone, and anybody || claiming any resemblance to ideations || on my part should be ashamed to admit || it publicly! God Bless, and BCNU! Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!yeshua.marcam.com!news.kei.com!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!bhamcs!mother!nmc From: nmc@cs.bham.ac.uk (Nicholas M Coles) Subject: Re: Elite II *** FLOP *** Message-ID: Sender: news@cs.bham.ac.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: mother Reply-To: nmc@cs.bham.ac.uk Organization: The University of Birmingham Computer Science Department. References: Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 16:11:12 GMT Lines: 34 In article 02tj@junct9.royle.org, Scott_Mcpherson@junct9.royle.org (Scott Mcpherson) writes: > L> Someone said that one can control the level of detail - I > L> don't know if this is true as I have yet to see the manual say > L> anything > L> about that. I'd be happy if someone would point me the page of the > L> manual that gives the key combination to do this. > Jarkko, > Hit the escape key twice to bring up the preferences screen, this will > allow you to customise your game. (BTW I couldn't find it in the manual > either!!) > > Cheers, > Scotty. > > -- Via DLG Pro v1.0 > It's not in the manual. It's on the preferences card. --- ********************************************* ___ / | \ Rotor (nmc@cs.bham.ac.uk) \_|_/ /|\ "Whoever heard of a wormskin rug?" / | \ - Psirens, Red Dwarf VI ********************************************* Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!yeshua.marcam.com!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!xlink.net!math.fu-berlin.de!news.dfn.de!tubsibr!duening From: duening@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (Lars Duening) Subject: Re: Elite II *** FLOP *** Message-ID: <1993Nov4.164004.8991@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de> Sender: postnntp@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (Mr. Nntp Inews Entry) Reply-To: duening@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de (Lars Duening) Organization: TU Braunschweig, Informatik (Bueltenweg), Germany References: Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1993 16:40:04 GMT Lines: 15 In article oahvenla@snakemail.hut.fi (Osma Ahvenlampi) writes: >In article Scott_Mcpherson@junct9.royle.org (Scott Mcpherson) writes: > >> Hit the escape key twice to bring up the preferences screen, this will >> allow you to customise your game. (BTW I couldn't find it in the manual >> either!!) > > FRONTIER QUICK START GUIDE, page 3: > Game options and load, save game > The options screen is found from within the game by pressing the ESCAPE key > twice... You can also get to the options screen by clicking the pause gadget twice. -- Lars Duening; duening@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!xlink.net!math.fu-berlin.de!uniol!caty!aworld!alex_schwassmann From: ALEX_SCHWASSMANN@AWORLD.aworld.de (Alex Schwassmann) Message-ID: Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Any Frontier Tips? Date: Wed, 3 Nov 93 19:06:40 CET Organization: AWORLD Mailboxsystem, Wuppertal References: Lines: 46 Hi folks, shawad@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Alan D Shaw) wrote in article concerning "Re: Any Frontier Tips?": AS> God, Mr Dino 'Paranoid, no one is buying GOAL! cause its the same as all my AS> other games, they must all be PIRATING it!!' Dini AS> I've just read your quote in this months AMIGA FORMAT. AS> And i've got two words AS> 'FUCK OFF!' AS> sorry, but i'm getting pissed off with all this shite AS> The amiga games market will only die if profiteering bastards like yourself AS> insist that they will stop writing games if all the pirating doesnt stop. AS> Just because a game you write doesnt sell megashitloads of copies doesn't AS> mean that everyone who has a cracked copy would have bought it at 30quid AS> or whatever. AS> Just be thankfull that something like GOAL! is selling at all. AS> I think you'll have something to moan about when GOAL3! doesnt sell one single AS> copy, and then maybe either the cracking scene will have become too large AS> OR maybe its just that no-one wants another bloody football game like all the AS> others!! Hmm, are you sure you've found the correct newsgroup? comp.sys.amiga.idiot.talk would have been more appropriate. Nobody's forcing you to pay for a game which you don't like, but on the other hand, if you didn't like it, why would you have a pirated copy? Just as you can't simply wander into a shop and grab anything that takes your fancy without paying, you can't use a pirated copy of a computer game. People like Dino put effort and dedication into their title, and while you might not like the result, that still doesn't mean it doesn't hold some value for someone else. And mind you, the programmers don't receive the full 30 quid you pay in the shops, only a certain percentage. I'm not a programmer myself, so I'm no expert, but I'm sure some of the programmers in the group will back me up on this. So cut the crap and come back when you've learned to argue sensibly. See ya ... Alex Alexander Schwassmann // UseNet: ALEX_SCHWASSMANN@aworld.aworld.de my personal opinions ... \X/ Z-Netz: ALEX_SCHWASSMANN@AWORLD.zer Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!news.inesc.pt!animal.inescn.pt!ciup2.ncc.up.pt!brigite.ci.ua.pt!etjunior From: etjunior@ci.ua.pt (B.Junior) Subject: Re: Frontier - major bug Sender: usenet@brigite.ci.ua.pt (News Administrator) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1993 13:39:43 GMT Distribution: inet References: Nntp-Posting-Host: zeus.ci.ua.pt Organization: Universidade de Aveiro, Portugal X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Lines: 29 Pelle Bokedal (d1pelle@dtek.chalmers.se) wrote: : I sold the 1MW Pulse laser and the missiles (No real use for them because : there arent many pirates around) : Buy a bigger ship as fast as you can and look out for WANTED Robots on : the bulletin board system. If you are lucky you earn 1200 a ton with robots Hello Pelle !! Thanks for your advice, i have now 800000c and an ASP !! What ship do you have ?? Any good one that i haven't seen yet ?? Thanks for any help ! Regards B.Junior -- ===================================================================== --- --- -Benjamim Junior- --- E-mail at --- --- etjunior@ua.pt University of Aveiro ----- Portugal --- A4000/040 Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!xlink.net!math.fu-berlin.de!uniol!Alexander.Pratsch From: Alexander.Pratsch@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de (Alexander Pratsch) Subject: Frontier - SOL and Military Drives Organization: University of Oldenburg, Germany Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1993 15:11:18 GMT Message-ID: <1993Nov4.152022.2855@arbi.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE> Sender: news@arbi.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE Lines: 27 Hi! 1. Does anyone know how to use Military Drives in SOL System without getting illegal, because of transfering illegal radioactive substances (I have the german version and I am not sure if this is the correct name for the garbage that will be created after using military fuel). 2. Has anyone found a way to become legally after doing things against the law. You can`t use the rescue capsule, like in Elite I. 3. I have found a bug, you can travel very large distances. Try to move about 100 light years from your position it will work! Ciao PS: Send answers to Alexander.Pratsch@informatik.uni-oldenburg.DE -- +-------------------------------------------------+ { Alexander Pratsch, Tannenstr. 8, 26931 Elsfleth } { Amiga 3000 Tower User } { } { email: } { Alexander.Pratsch@informatik.uni-oldenburg.de } { } +-------------------------------------------------+ Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!dct.ac.uk!mcscs2amh From: mcscs2amh@dct.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Frontier - Not Impressive Message-ID: <1993Nov4.152152.8436@dct.ac.uk> Date: 4 Nov 93 15:21:52 GMT Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology Lines: 12 I have to say that Frontier is pretty shite. Its only plusses is that it has more involvment and depth than the first one (elite) but David Braben has really messed up the navigation and flight parts of the game. He should have stuck to the original game methods, then it would have been awesome. Rating: 6/10 or 60% Comments! Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!news.funet.fi!news.lut.fi!veijalai From: veijalai@cc.lut.fi (Kimmo Veijalainen) Subject: Re: Frontier vs Warhead F=ma Sender: news@lut.fi (Usenet News) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1993 15:28:42 GMT References: Nntp-Posting-Host: cc.lut.fi Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland Marc_De_Roos@amusers.UUCP (Marc De Roos) writes: > > In all the comparisons made between Warhead and Frontier I have not >yet heard about the most obvious, and in my opinion, most important >aspects of this simulator - the flight control/orientation system. > > I have heard that Frontier follows a "Force = Mass x Acceleration" >equation similar to that of Warhead. >How do the two control systems compare? Simple: Frontier lacks the various autopilot modes in Warhead, and thus has inferior control system. Too bad. -- _ C=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- _ // K.Veijalainen | Wanted: Cool Quote --------------------> = \X/ veijalai@cc.lut.fi | <--------------------------------------> = Amiga C=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!gdt!ma2ljg From: ma2ljg@midge.bath.ac.uk (L J Greenhalgh) Subject: Re: THE Frontier.... Message-ID: Organization: School of Mathematical Sciences, University of Bath, UK References: <1993Nov3.120848.15664@cc.ic.ac.uk> <2bb7nc$atj@mits.mdata.fi> Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1993 17:31:34 GMT Lines: 43 In the referenced article, jarnis@mits.mdata.fi (Jarno Kokko) writes: >>> I might go exploring but I get the impression >>> I will spend years on a ship with my crew just looking at 'small spheres of >>> rock', 'no registered settlements'. Or maybe somebody will prove me wrong.... >>Just a thought, but maybe that's the point. >>NO REGISTERED SETTLEMENTS. >>Has anyone thoroughly explored one of these systems?? > >I've looked around the code. After few hours of peeking >I can say this as 100% sure fact: > >There's nothing out there. You can fly arond the 100.000.000 starsystems >if you like, but after few hundred lightyears out of the SOL there's >nothing out there... > >(and there's even a bug in that. Try getting system info out of >unexpored place, it shows how many bodies the system contains if you >click the screen like you normally would to see info on planet) > >- Jarnis > Ok listen to this... Whilst attempting to hyperspace away from Zanoce , I got a message saying misjump . When I looked at the map I was 1200 light years off target . At this distance when you look at systems on the map you are told that no data is avalible and you enter systems at your own risk..... I couldnt do anything at this stage as I had no fuel left. What do you make of this? ______ ______ _/_/__\_\_/_/__\_\_ /.-- / //-\\ \ --.\ // \ |-|=====|-| / \\ || _.-' \-\_@_/-/ `-._ || _|-' `-----' `-|_ _.-' `-._ _.-' `-._ _.-' +------------------------------------+ `-._ / |You have not experianced Shakespear | \ _/ |until you have heard it in the | \_ (o) |origonal Kilingon! (Star Trek VI) | (o) ' +------------------------------------+ ` Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!news.eunet.fi!prime.mdata.fi!mits.mdata.fi!not-for-mail From: jarnis@mits.mdata.fi (Jarno Kokko) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: THE Frontier.... Date: 4 Nov 1993 17:39:24 +0200 Organization: Microdata International Telecomm Service, Helsinki, Finland Lines: 20 Message-ID: <2bb7nc$atj@mits.mdata.fi> References: <1993Nov3.120848.15664@cc.ic.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: mits.mdata.fi >> I might go exploring but I get the impression >> I will spend years on a ship with my crew just looking at 'small spheres of >> rock', 'no registered settlements'. Or maybe somebody will prove me wrong.... >Just a thought, but maybe that's the point. >NO REGISTERED SETTLEMENTS. >Has anyone thoroughly explored one of these systems?? I've looked around the code. After few hours of peeking I can say this as 100% sure fact: There's nothing out there. You can fly arond the 100.000.000 starsystems if you like, but after few hundred lightyears out of the SOL there's nothing out there... (and there's even a bug in that. Try getting system info out of unexpored place, it shows how many bodies the system contains if you click the screen like you normally would to see info on planet) - Jarnis Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!trane.uninett.no!humpty.edb.tih.no!larsg From: larsg@edb.tih.no (Lars Garden) Subject: Re: THE Frontier.... Message-ID: Sender: newsadm@edb.tih.no (News Adm humpty) Nntp-Posting-Host: delta.edb.tih.no Organization: Trondheim College of Engineering References: <1993Nov3.120848.15664@cc.ic.ac.uk> Distribution: inet Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 01:36:24 GMT Lines: 30 In article , ssurpeat@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk (Richard T. Peat) writes: |> Amiga Action had a peice about Frontier in their latest issue. (I read it in |> WHSmith's, but didn't stoop so low as to actually *buy* the mag!) |> Aside from the fact that the screen shots looked suspiciously like the PC |> version, with texture mapping and the like, they had a couple of comments |> from Dave Braben. He said he was looking to form a small programming team |> to produce add-ons, and updates to Frontier, but that he wouldn't produce a |> Frontier II. Does that mean no Frontier-AGA, or does it mean no new game based on Elite? |> With reference to the add-ons, he mentioned extra missons, and extra alien |> races. It's merely being picky, but extra usualy implies that there is |> something there already. He could have been mis-quoted.. Has anyone found any strange creatures yet?? |> Perhaps the only way to find out is for someone to ask Dave Braben whether |> there are any alien races in Frontier.... (Dino Dini perhaps?) Ask, ask.. And, BTW - How many parcels do I have to deliver before I can begin to do some serious missions for the military??? And what system has the most military missions? Sol? And how come I never find those guys I have a killing-contract on?? I am at the right place at the right time, but no victim shows up. private/average with different ships and equipment.. Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!trane.uninett.no!humpty.edb.tih.no!larsg From: larsg@edb.tih.no (Lars Garden) Subject: Re: THE Frontier.... Message-ID: Keywords: frontier Sender: newsadm@edb.tih.no (News Adm humpty) Nntp-Posting-Host: delta.edb.tih.no Organization: Trondheim College of Engineering References: <1993Nov3.120848.15664@cc.ic.ac.uk> <2bb7nc$atj@mits.mdata.fi> Distribution: inet Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 01:56:44 GMT Lines: 11 |> Ok listen to this... |> Whilst attempting to hyperspace away from Zanoce , I got a message |> saying misjump . When I looked at the map I was 1200 light years off |> target . At this distance when you look at systems on the map you |> are told that no data is avalible and you enter systems at your own |> risk..... I couldnt do anything at this stage as I had no fuel left. |> What do you make of this? Misjumps do happen from time to time. I have had at least 3 so far.. But I have never misjumped more than 20LY away from target.. Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!sunic!news.funet.fi!nntp.hut.fi!nntp.hut.fi!oahvenla From: oahvenla@snakemail.hut.fi (Osma Ahvenlampi) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: THE Frontier.... Date: 05 Nov 93 06:58:01 GMT Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland Lines: 21 Distribution: inet Message-ID: References: <1993Nov3.120848.15664@cc.ic.ac.uk> <2bb7nc$atj@mits.mdata.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: gamma.hut.fi In-reply-to: larsg@edb.tih.no's message of Fri, 5 Nov 1993 01:56:44 GMT In article larsg@edb.tih.no (Lars Garden) writes: >|> Ok listen to this... >|> Whilst attempting to hyperspace away from Zanoce , I got a message >|> saying misjump . When I looked at the map I was 1200 light years off >|> target . At this distance when you look at systems on the map you >|> are told that no data is avalible and you enter systems at your own >|> risk..... I couldnt do anything at this stage as I had no fuel left. >|> What do you make of this? >Misjumps do happen from time to time. I have had at least 3 so far.. >But I have never misjumped more than 20LY away from target.. The misjump might get you real far away from the place you jumped from, but that exceeds the drives limits, and may damage it. If someone is chasing you through hyperspace, and you can't get rid of him, try forcing a misjump with alt-f8. The arrival point of misjumps can not be detected. -- Osma Ahvenlampi - oahvenla@snakemail.hut.fi - finger or mail for PGP key Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!news.funet.fi!fuug!krk!oh2lpl From: oh2lpl@krk.fi (Kai-Peter B{ckman) Subject: Re: Frontier: Systems without starports. Message-ID: <1993Nov4.173440.14474@krk.fi> Organization: Radio Club of Kauniainen (OH2NRG) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] References: <1993Nov2.103143.20351@krk.fi> Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1993 17:34:40 GMT Richard T. Peat (ssurpeat@csug.cs.reading.ac.uk) wrote: : In article 20351@krk.fi, oh2lpl@krk.fi (Kai-Peter B{ckman) writes: : > How does one trade or deliver parcels to systems that does not : >have any starports? : > : > When I started to solve this problem I noticed on page 45 in the : >manual a picture where a communication screen is activated and : >one of the options is: "Send message to Mars..". After seeing : >this I thought that it probably would solve my problems because : >if I could communicate with the planet I could probably get : >the information I wanted but I can't figure out how I would : >activate this mode. : It's not explicitly mentioned in the manual, but in a lot of : cases it is possible to communicate with what your autopilot : has targetted, starports, ships or whatever. : Fairly limited number of messages though. Sorry to be bothering you again but I can't still activate this. I have tried the folowing things: 1. Targeting Off/On 2. Many diferent ranges (including "landed rough".) 3. Targeting from local map and by clicking with LeftMouseButton(tm). If this works for you my copy does have some problems. oh2lpl@krksun.krk.fi Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!news.eunet.fi!prime.mdata.fi!mits.mdata.fi!not-for-mail From: jarnis@mits.mdata.fi (Jarno Kokko) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Frontiers..... Date: 4 Nov 1993 17:22:36 +0200 Organization: Microdata International Telecomm Service, Helsinki, Finland Lines: 20 Message-ID: <2bb6ns$ag8@mits.mdata.fi> References: <1993Oct29.110948.25353@cc.ic.ac.uk> <1993Oct30.062216.2787@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> <1993Nov2.122907.3987@news.uit.no> NNTP-Posting-Host: mits.mdata.fi >BTW: Wouldn't it be better (faster) if the auto pilot turned your ship around >halfway to the target and used (the more powerful) rear thrusters to slow down? >This would burn more fuel, but make your journey shorter (time). Yes, I think there should be option to put autopilot to optimize for FUEL(would take extremely long to get anywhere as it would just give your ship small thrust and then go without engines for most of the journey) or to TIME (use main engines for acceleration and breaking) .. it could have a slidebar in some option thing and at lowest setting it would take months to do 10AU trip to planet and at normal setting itwould be like now and at fastest possible setting it would burn engines all the time, turning ship at midpoint... Of course i'm just dreaming here. In reality, frontier lets you accelerate manually to very very high speeds and then autopilot magically stops your ship in no time... (read one of my bug reports for more specific description) - Jarnis Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!noc.near.net!ceylon!genesis!nugget From: nugget@genesis.nred.ma.us (Ralph Barbagallo) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: NOT Frontier!!!! Message-ID: Date: 5 Nov 93 01:44:04 GMT References: Organization: Genesis Public Access Unix +1 508 664 0149 Lines: 9 X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 I've seen Uridium II AGA and it SUCKS! I wouldn't buy it... it's not even HD installable and it takes very long to load. -- Ralph A.Barbagallo III_Only AMIGA Makes it Possible!_nugget@genesis.nred.ma.us [ Amiga 4000/030, Amiga 500, Commodore 64, Atari 800XL, Atari 2600, 7800, ] [ Lynx, Sega Master System, Genesis, Game Gear, NES, SNES, Game Boy, NEO GEO] [ TurboGrafx-16/CDROM, Odyssey 500, ColecoVision, Vectrex, Intellivision... ] Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!wupost!waikato!comp.vuw.ac.nz!canterbury.ac.nz!otago.ac.nz!eros.otago.ac.nz!spud From: spud@eros.otago.ac.nz (Graham P. Millar) Subject: Need Frontier Demo in Dunedin Otago New-Zealand Message-ID: Sender: usenet@news.otago.ac.nz (News stuff) Nntp-Posting-Host: eros.otago.ac.nz Organization: University of Otago X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 01:59:32 GMT Lines: 8 Could some kind soul please mail the frontier demo (Amiga version) to spud@eros.otago.ac.nz We haven't yet seen this reputedly splendid piece of code in our neck of the woods. Now I know I should nominate someone to send me, or else I will get too many replies so could the respondent please send from within NZ if possible. Will post again if I don't get any bites. - Catch you later. Nntp-Posting-Host: hnoss.ifi.uio.no Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uknet!pipex!sunic!trane.uninett.no!nac.no!ifi.uio.no!jonlo From: jonlo@ifi.uio.no (Jon Cato Lorentzen) Subject: Re: Weird Frontier Quotes... Message-ID: <1993Nov5.034453.25048@ifi.uio.no> Sender: jonlo@ifi.uio.no (Jon Cato Lorentzen) Reply-To: jonlo@ifi.uio.no Organization: University of Oslo, Norway References: <93307.115404IO92257@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1993 03:44:53 GMT Lines: 5 Originator: jonlo@hnoss.ifi.uio.no I found a guy named Bart Simpson wanting passage on a ship once! Jon C. Lorentzen University of Oslo Path: swi.psy.uva.nl!sun4nl!mcsun!uunet!munnari.oz.au!sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au!not-for-mail From: amigo@deakin.edu.au (Greg Jarman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games Subject: Re: Frontier Date: 5 Nov 1993 13:23:41 +1100 Organization: Deakin University Lines: 13 Message-ID: <2bcdfd$3cs@mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au> References: <1993Nov3.163453.5777@liberty.uc.wlu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au jspeton@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Jean-Guy D. Speton) writes: >Has anyone taken out one of those long range cruisers yet? They're huge! >(Next time I see one, I'm taking a crack. :) Huge... and dumb. It just sat there while we blasted it. Took awhile, ended up with a small explosion, and not much else. -- Greg.