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FIRSTLY, TO DALAMAR? AND HIS GANG... DO YOU REALLY THINK >>THIS IS ENOUGH ?? - JUST WAITING 2 MONTHS BEFORE RELEASING..? >It will certainly help a little, but still not enough! Hrrmmm ... yeah, seems to be sad - but right ... >>PAHHH! - IN MY OPINION YOU DO NOT RECOGNIZE THE SITUATION: >> >>1. NOT THE CRACKS ARE DESTROYING THE AMIGA. ACTUALLY, THERE ARE >>NOT MANY DUDES, WHO OWN AN AMIGA .. THATS THE JUMPING POINT! >Wrong, there are many amigan's LEFT, but many are almost ashamed to mention >that they have an amiga! Yeah, but do you know why? Do you CERTAiNLY KNOW WHY??? A thousand times i've been told by PC-Lamers that an Amiga is crap because you could only play with it and a PC is high-standard because the graphics are better and the software is the best ... HAVE A LAUGH! iT'S MiXED-UP, THAT'S THE POiNT! The Amiga is used by some of the biggest german TV-channels, and a PC? ONLY ONE(!) of my friends who owns of a PC uses it for some other things like PLAYiNG, and he is a developer for MAXON CiNEMA! You know what? In MY opinion, 99% of the software released on a PC is such CRAP, i could puke my GUTS up! The sad fact which makes a PC so popular is: The amount of releases are very high! But no one realizes that the soft is so crappy! >> >>OR DO YOU THINK IF A GAME WONT BE RELEASED, PEOPLE WILL BUY AN >>AMIGA ??? :)) OHH NOO... THE PEOPLE WANT POWER, POWER TO PLAY >>GAMES LIKE "QUACKE" ... AN THIS IS THE OTHER POINT, TOO. >>SHIT HARDWARE, NOBODY WANT IT ANYMORE, SO THERE IS NO MARKET >>FOR THE GAMES AND THIS IS WHAT THE SOFTWARECOMPANIES ARE AFRAID OF. >> >Tell me, why is a 2d AMIGA platform game (WORMS) the best game of the year >and does these 3d-POWER-HUNGRY crappy games come on the 3rth place? Simple ... i've played DOOM on a PC (Yes, i did - sorry ...), and after half an hour, i got bored! WORMS was kinda different, more complex, it was just better! >>HERE A LITTLE EXAMPLE: >> >>MR. B IS A PRODUCER OF THE COMPANY: "ELECTRONIC ARTS". >>MR. C IS A REPORTER OF THE AMIGA-MAGAZINE: "C U AMIGA". >> >>OKAY LETS COME TOGETHER: >> >>MR. C: "HEY, MR.B HAVE YOU HEARD THAT THE CRACKERS WONT RELEASE >> NEW GAMES ?!? .. NOW YOU CAN SELL THEM BETTER!!" >> >>MR.B: "AHH COOL - BUT THE QUESTION IS: HOW MANY PEOPLES ARE LEFT >> TO BUY THEM? " >> >>. STOP HERE! >> >>HEEHEHE.... WHAT ARE WE LEARNING FROM THIS ? -> RIGHT. THERE ARE NOT >>ENOUGH PEOPLE, WHO CAN BUY THE GAMES.... >> >>EXAMPLE 2: >> >>ON PC, THERE ARE COPY-CDS, THERE ARE MANY CRACKS, TOO ETC ETC ETC.. >>YES, I WILL EVEN SAY, THAT ON PC THE SOFTWARE-PIRACY IS MUCH HIGHER >>THAN ON AMIGA !!!!!! >> >>BUT - THERE ARE MANY GUYS WHO ONW A PC AND THERE A MANY GUYS WHO WANT >>TO BUY THE GAMES... :)) >> >>... SO, DUDES WE (THE LIGHTFORCE, LFC) WILL RELEASE A GAME, IF WE GET >>ONE, AND I WILL WRITE INTO THE NFO-FILES: "BUY THEM BLAHBLAH..." >> >>THATS ALL I WILL DO FOR THE HEALTH OF MY BELOVED AMIGA, BECAUSE NOT WE ARE >>DESTROYING THE AMIGA, BUT THE PEOPLE WHO SELL IT... >> >> >The main issue is in the original rescue.txt is that if there are lesser fast cracks (most of them are allready cracked BEFORE hitting the stores!) the sales will go up a little bit,more games will come then and when there are enough games >people who want to play QUALITY games BUY a machine with enough games supporting it! Why did people bother buying SNES when they could buy a nice 486DX instead? Becouse SNES managed to produce a huge amount of games in a short period! Yeah, many LOW QUALiTY GAMES! You should parently know how much time it costs to develop a high-quality game, even on a SNES! PC-Effect - huge amount of software with no quality - but the PEOPLE WANT iT! Sad, isn't it? Seems that the time of "WYSIWYG" is over - and you know what? i MiSS THAT TiME!!! >Furthermore, I myself have to order my games overseas which still saves me around $10 on each game i buy. Retaile-prices should LOWER and the most important thing is the fact they still produce many FLOPPY ONLY games while around 70% of the amigans in germany OWN a CDROM and nearly 95% owns a harddisk of 120MB or bigger! SOftware companies must recognise that most amiga's are no longer 1MB/NOHD/68000 machines. a survey noted that nearly 65% of the A1200 users upgraded their ram & processor within the 1st YEAR after purchase! There are enough powerfull >machines to justify more power-hungry games like Breathless/AB3dI+II When they >keep this in mind, there will come more software and sales will rise again which lowers prices on hardware as all mass-market products do! In the meanwhile, they can develop their next generation machines whithout seeing many users go to other platforms. Buying a game once a while is cheaper than to change your platform! for a nice P160 you can buy +- 400 GAMES! .. and even can get a beer in the pub next door! Yeah ... we figured out, too, that the software companies are way behind the facts. But i think that it would last too long until the companies recognize it! And there aren't many companies left - so why don't we first tell these companies that the stoneage is over and that the future has to break through? >Before you guys start screaming at me to be a new lamer thinking he knows nothing of the scene, I've been around now for 8 years orso and yes i bought my games'in the past, like AB -> AB3d II, Slamtilt and many more. A nice effect from piracy is that you can test the game before buying it (as i do!) I first play the crack, and afterwards if i really like the game, i BUY it! So - if you where 8 years scene-active... did you never think of GROUPS like TRSI developing a REAL game for the Amiga? Have a look at all the demos - using the FULL abilities of the Amiga, doesn't matter how ... why THESE GUYS don't show what THEY and the AMiGA can do? Not only TRSI, but ANY GROUP which is active in the demo-scene! Why don't WE (yes, WE ALL!) REALLY show these LAMERS out there that the propaganda upon AMiGA is WRONG? WHY??? >Anyway, i think the crackers should wait a few weeks with releasing after a game/software hit's the shops! what's in a time on a platform whjich was dead allready in 1985. Ok - the idea might be not bad, but think it over ... i parently would wait for the release - 'CAUSE i DON'T KNOW ANY AMiGA-SOFTWARESHOP iN MY NEiGHBOUR- HOOD! Not only the software companies, also the SELLERS kicked out Amiga-Soft out of business! There has to be an other solution for the problem we discuss about ... >>BUT I CAN UNDERSTAND THE PEOPLE, TOO: >> >>... WHO WANTS TO WORK OR PLAY WITH A COMPUTER, THATS HARDWARE IS >>SHIT FROM 1986 ?!?!? -> SORRY, FACE THE TRUTH! >> >>SIGNED. ICARUS/THE LIGHTFORCE 1996 >Sorry pal, but i rather have good working hardware from 1986, than a penthium with a core from 1980 ! > >P.s. learn some better english ! .... and who the fuck are you ? > > -> Telekinetic Aka ArmageDdon Aka Destroyer from TFA since 1987 ! > >The old bastard ! .... I'm facing the truth ... i've been in the scene for only 3 years, and i haven't heard of ICARUS, but i haven't heard of YOU either! Not of you and not of TFA! And please - don't think i'm a 16 year-old pupil who fucks up 'cause he thinks he's elite ... i'm 23 - and before i've joined the scene i've been a li'l AMIGA-User since 1986 - and even in THAT time i've been in touch with the scene! Last note ... why don't we find a solution to the problem of the AMiGA's situation TOGETHER? I mean - someone's giving a tip. Some think that THIS HAS TO BE THE WAY, some other think that this is total crap! I've read "rescue.txt", and it's a very honest text, but why the FUCK(!) so many people see this suggestion as a RULE? There are not only Dalamar, Crisp, Icarus or you, there are THOUSANDS of sceners out there who have to agree first (Don't take it as a joke - i MEAN iT!) ... Yeah, i know, you MiGHT(!) say now, that scene is dead and only a few sceners are still alive, some REAL ELiTE-DUDES ... but face it - SCENE is not ELiTE anymore ... SCENE NOW iS a crowd of people rotting together to discuss how to save their beloved - AMiGA! Enough blabla - hope you now see that it is still US! Signed - THE TENTACLE OF LiGHTFORCE ^ bastard since birth! ;) [ the group name ONLY is necessary, 'cause there are some other guys out using this handle - honest! ] @BEGIN_FILE_ID.DIZ OVERViEW ON THE SAVEAMIGA-DISCUSSION !!! ------------------------ REPLY TO A DiSCUSSiON OF iCARUS AND ARMAGEDDON! 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