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DAVE HAYWNIE OPINION ABOUT VIScorp & PIOS! 02. ZMay 1996: Aminet is world's largest archive 03. A New Group Is Born [ALiEN DESiGNS] 04. - AT&T Announcement [23/05/96] - 384.000 bps till 1.920.000 bps MODEMS 05. TC2 Closes It Doors!] 06. Bill Buck's speech at the VIScorp Amiga meeting in Toulouse, France. 07. bYtEs iN pROGRESs - BPS - a new group iz born 08. Read The Truth about CLIQUE! 09. THE TOP SEVEN WAYS ON HOW NOT TO GET BUSTED. 10. EXTREME TERROR BBS GOES OFFLINE! 11. ANOTHER STEP WILL GO OFFLINE 12. TO BE OR NOT TO BE! AMIGA OR NOT AMIGA! 13. Icing 96 results 14. ALL ABOUT NEW POLISH BOARD CALLED *!NEVERMiND!* 15. PHASE 5 Answers - Comments Made By Dave Haynie. read article 17 first 16. ZREAD ALL TRUTH ABOUT STASZIC PARTY III 17. letter 2 Phase 5 by Dave haynie 18. Infosheet about PIOS computer AG . 19. PARADISE LOST AGAIN OFFLINE 20. ALL LEVEL CODES FOR XP8 21. Renegade SEARCHING FOR sAME nEW MEMBERZ! 22. SCENERS's E-MAIL ADDRESSES (may) 23. Toulouse - erster Eindruck 24. VIScorp - Meeting on 19-May-96 25. tHE 5o mOSt rESPECTEd aSCII-aRTISTz! 26. updated l!st of >>>734<<< groups ! 27. A new linkvirus is on the run. -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ _______ _____________ ___ ____ ___/ / _ \/__/ __/_ _/_\/ _ \ \ _\ ==/ _ / /__/ / __/ / / __/ /__/_/_/ = -/ / / / / / / / / |_ / /__\ \ -- /______/_/__/__/_/HKD/_/___/_/__/\___/©95 DAVE HAYWNIE OPINION ABOUT VIScorp & PIOS! Read All About the Sad Truth! Comments From Dave Haynie on the Current Situation The following is an informal email interview conducted with Dave Haynie, Amiga Hardware Guru-Daddy, formerly of Commodore. The interview was conducted by Brian Sorli sorli@clas.ufl.edu of the [http://www.afn.org/~gang/] Gainesville Amiga Networking Group. Brian was nice enough to share the interview with The Amiga Web Directory and its users. Subject: Haynie joins AT team From: Dave Haynie Reply-To: Dave Haynie Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 11:07 EDT : Heh.... Can you clear up a few things about what is going on and what you : are involved with? Sure. : 1. Pios - a new company born from the ashes of the old and new Amiga : groups. Does Pios exist and how are you involved? I guess pios officially became a company on the 15th. I'm working under contract as their hardware guru, much in the same capacity as when I contracting for Amiga Technologies. : 2. Viscorp - alot of speculation about this company. Supposidly held a : conference in France on 5/19 - not sure myself - we have heard : nothing. I gather there was a conference on the 19th, but it was under NDA. I've only heard rumors of what went on. Last I heard, VIScorp is supposed to be making major announcements tommorrow (May 23, my birthday). : Are you in communication with Viscorp and will Pios and Viscorp work : together? Yes, and I hope so. I have e-talked with a few of the folks I know at VIScorp, but they couldn't really say much. The pios strategy is really counting on the AmigaOS, since that's the enabling OS for low end multimedia systems (pios may offer other OSs on their standard PPCP machine, just because that's easy to do and may let us have product before the PowerAmiga OS is done). I'm hoping VIScorp is open to collaboration on this. The one thing we definitely don't want is a fragmented AmigaOS -- there has to be one API, one binary standard, etc. : 3. Phase 5 - I guess they just got sick of waiting for Amiga Technologies : to make the right moves. Perhaps, AT did take too long to start on the Power Amiga stuff (it didn't even start happening until late last November). I suspect everyone at AT was a victim of ESCOM's money problems, even back then (though we didn't know about them). I also think there's a little animosity on the part of phase 5 -- I think they were expecting more an embrace of their stuff from AT than they got. They do, apparently, have a simple way of running an AmigaOS emulator on a PPC with native graphics support, though they didn't have anything ready to show last February. Since Andy and I were advising AT, we insisted in doing things right. Their approach on the software front is kind of a hack, and on the hardware front it's just too much like the old Commodore; at best, they'll wind up with interesting, non-standard, and overpriced machines that can't keep up with the rapid changes in the industry. Computing in the 90s is radically different than it was in the 80s or 70s. Things have just gotten more complicated. Chips are far more complex to design, so you need larger volumes to make them practical at all, and they might last only 1/2-1/4 as long in the market as their equivalents of 10 years ago. IC processes have gotten exponentially more expensive, to the point that only the top IC makers in the world have state-of-the-art fabs, and even these guys are having to get together on the next generation fabs. : It is ovious Phase5 has big plans for the future Power Amiga and : alot to do with bringing the Power Amiga into existence. The real question I have about phase 5's plan, all practical bits aside, is this: will they sell you a Power Amiga, or a PhasePower system that, oh-by-the-way runs Amiga 68K binaries. They're talking about writing their own "advanced" OS as the native PPC part, and they're letting the 68K emulator hook into some bits, like their graphics subsystem. That's not the same thing as a real AmigaOS port, and I don't think the Amiga community can support multiple OSs -- an Amiga runs the AmigaOS, and only the owner of that (presumable VIScorp) gets to say just what that is and isn't. Not to mention the fact that it takes a long time to write a good OS. I know of three new OSs written by experienced OS people (rare, in these days of Microsoft dominance): Scala's MMOS, the 3DO OS, and the BeOS. Scala and 3DO took each took over three years for their OSs, and neither was intended as a general purpose personal computer OS. Be's OS work started five years ago, and they're still clearly in the beta testing phase (with some modules not out of alpha yet). Either phase 5 is adpoting some other, unnamed OS, stealing the AmigaOS, offering up an ugly hack, or they're not shipping any new OS in 1997. : The Pios homepage mentioned that Pios was planning on working with : anyone and everyone to achieve the ultimate goal -- bringing the : ultimate Power Amiga to life. Absolutely. : Are there any plans for Pios, Viscorp, Amiga Technologies, and : Phase5 working together on this effort? Folks from pios and VIScorp are meeting to talk this week. Amiga Technologies, far as I can tell, is no longer a factor -- there are no technical folks left there. It's either a sales arm of VIScorp, a sales arm of ESCOM, or cancelled. It would be nice to get phase 5 to cooperate on the PowerAmigaOS, rather than going their own way, but I don't know if they will or not. : We meet at the Amiga Atlantic Banquet back in February... You mean the Amiga Atlanta Banquet in January? : and I remember how knowledgeable and upfront you were with me and : everyone you spoke with. Well, with all we've been through, the last thing the Amiga community needs is more bullshit. So I try to tell it like I see it, at least as far as any NDAs permit. : P.S. If Pios plans on working with the other groups mentioned above - : everyone would benefit from this knowledge. Get the word out as soon as : possible. All of pios supports this kind of cooperation. Not that we have all that many people yet :-). Return to the Amiga Web Directory Champaign-Urbana Commodore Users Group / cucug@cucug.org ________________________________________________________________________________ [2] ZMay 1996: Aminet is world's largest archive Subject: Aminet is the world's largest archive Today, May 16th 1996, four years after its inception, Aminet is the world's largest collection of freely distributable software for any computer system. I'd like to seize this opportunity to talk about the recent history of our archive and thank everyone involved. Also, to celebrate the event, we're giving away a CDROM drive and 10 Aminet CD subscriptions; read more below. THE PAST -------- It has been a long while - 17 months - since I last talked about the Aminet. That's simply because the violent early days are definitely over. Much about Aminet is now routine, everyone has grown used to it. (For more on the early history, check docs/misc/5000.txt and 10000.txt). Again, there has been steady growth. The number of mirrors has increased from 12 to 30, we have more and better search services and other incremental improvements. Some services still wait to be implemented, though, especially the possibility for everyone to submit comments to Aminet software and append them to the .readme file. Other services are only rudimentary, like the rating facility. Clearly, improvement is due. More important than those access features, however, are the contents. And here, the situation looks very good. Firstly, there have been more uploads by the users than ever before, with a record high of 430 in one week just recently. Additional growth was caused by the fact that the Aminet CD's now appear bi-monthly (which is the way the participants in a large survey wanted it), and because those CD's don't get completely filled in that short time, more material is integrated into Aminet regularly to fill them. Thanks to that, we now have large collections of clip art, mods, fonts, games and other interesting stuff from outside sources on Aminet. The most important development, though, is the fact that Aminet has now been accepted by the world outside the networks as the place where one can publish freely distributable software to make it widely available. Thus, almost everything that is available for the Amiga ends up here. And I am absolutely convinced that this service, the availability of everything to everyone, has contributed considerably to the amazing life-force that the Amiga is showing in those tough times. THE PRESENT ----------- Once more, it's statistics time. Apart from the record number of 29.000 files (world record according to www.shareware.com), we're just crossing the total size of 5 gigabytes (second to a 5.7G OS/2 distribution archive). In addition, as mentioned before, we just saw an all time upload record of 433 files in one week. Some further stats: Monthly uploads (excluding integrated material): 1995 1996 Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Jan Mar Apr ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- 1061 923 1129 916 1269 776 907 1068 949 873 1042 985 1240 1274 Subdirectory size in megabytes: (total: 5052M) Growth factor since the 10000 files posting: biz comm demo dev disk docs game gfx misc mods mus pix text util --- ---- ---- --- ---- ---- ---- --- ---- ---- --- ---- ---- ---- 119 178 902 188 20 170 431 257 246 961 44 1049 317 162 2.2 2.2 5.8 2.0 2.0 8.1 3.4 1.0 3.2 3.6 1.3 7.7 5.3 1.6 Number of files at the mirrors: ftp.wustl.edu ALL ftp.ninemoons.com ALL ftp.unina.it ALL kelly.uni-paderborn.de ALL ftp.uni-paderborn.de ALL ftp.grolier.fr ALL sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk ALL ftp.netnet.net 25950 ftp.tas.gov.au 22273 ftp.eunet.ch 20446 ftp.uni-erlangen.de 19552 ftp.luth.se 16053 ftp.ua.pt 15019 ftp.cs.tu-berlin.de 12329 ftp.tu-chemnitz.de 12329 ftp.uni-siegen.de 9009 sunsite.cnam.fr 6336 ftp.fh-augsburg.de 5647 ftp.uni-trier.de 5453 ftp.uni-stuttgart.de 3729 ftp.uni-bremen.de 3240 ftp.uni-kl.de 2180 ftp.gui.uva.es 1792 ftp.uni-oldenburg.de 916 ftp.giga.or.at 871 THE FUTURE ---------- Currently, my main project is rewriting the Aminet mirror scripts. Duh, you say, what does that mean for me? More than you think. The new scripts will allow alternate main sites to take over in case wuarchive goes down, so you get more reliable service. And they're very easy to install, so you can expect more mirrors to pop up. Next, they run on Amigas as well, do you can have your personal Aminet mirror on your harddisk. Finally, they are a precondition for implementing the long promised annotations, and a thing called views. Annotations are the last big missing feature from Aminet. Everyone should be able to post comments about other people's uploads, giving usage hints, recommendations or compatibility notes. I still cannot promise any dates on this one, but chances to get this implemented have increased now. The other nice-to-have that's still missing are views. Views are trees of softlinks that create a different image of the Aminet file collection. You could, for example, have a second 'Aminet' that only contains modules, but the modules are sorted by author. Or one that only contains files that are in the download charts. That, too, will still take a while. Finally, some improvements are due in the access software of Aminet CDs. That will hopefully be adressed soon, too. THE CONTEST ----------- To celebrate this event, we've decided to run a big contest. To take part, you have to guess the exact number of files there were on Aminet one year ago, ie. on May 16th 1995. Mail your guess (just the raw number in the body of the mail) to aminet-server@aminet.org . Among the best guesses, we give away: 1 CDROM drive with Aminet Set 1,2,3 and a one year Aminet CD subscription 10 one year Aminet CD subscriptions We're also accepting snail-mailed submissions, send them (just your guess and your address) to: Schatztruhe GmbH Aminet-Wettbewerb Veronikastr. 33 D-45131 Essen GERMANY Submissions are accepted until mid-August. Winners will be drawn then. Good luck! THE CREDITS ----------- There are countless people who keep Aminet going. I'd like to thank them all, but especially: The uploaders for writing freely distributable software and taking the pain write readmes and to upload them Matthias Scheler who helps a lot with the daily administration and moderation at wuarchive The mirror adms for maintaining that large number of mirrors which made the success of Aminet possible The beta testers for finding all my mistakes on the CDROMs Stefan Ossowski for producing the Aminet CD James McCudden for maintaining wuarchive.wustl.edu I hope you liked the service so far, and if you have any comments, wishes or ideas, please do contact me. Urban D. Mueller umueller@aminet.org ________________________________________________________________________________ [3] A New Group Is Born ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ [ALiEN DESiGNS] (ALS) We Search For New Members Hmmm a new group is born... [ALiEN DESiGNS] (ALS) AceMan (Organiser) ([Suckers Zone] [WHQ] för ALS) Exodite (Pc Trader) FaKED IQ (Amiga Freak) RayBan (No Impulse, [SHQ]) Bigfoot (Are not sure yet) (Amiga Trader) Chillout (Musican) So if you are intrested of joining this group just call: +46-[0]435-711911 [Suckers Zone] and drop a mess about it ... [Let me know as soon as posible]... We do need some coders , graficer , Traders , Musicans and more ... [The name of the group was Chillout´s work] [The idea of starting a new group was my own idea] //AceMan ________________________________________________________________________________ [4] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- FOR THE ENGLISH READING CROWD AMOUNG US : The basic contents of this text are the anouncement of 384.000 bps till 1.920.000 bps MODEMS for NORMAL telephonelines by AT&T.. available late 1997.. priced between $300,- & $400,- US DOLLAR.. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- KPN RESEARCH TEST SUPERSNELLE MODEMS KPN Research test binnenkort supersnelle modems die de bestaande modems hopeloos ouderwets zullen maken. Verscheidene medewerkers krijgen de beschikking over een pc-kaart die snelheden accepteert van 384.000 bps tot maximaal 1.920.000 bps (ARGH!) De huidige modems accepteren slechts 28.800 BPS (?! USR RuulZ! ;) ) aldus een woordvoerder van AT&T. De door AT&T ontwikkelde apparaten zullen het Internet-gebruik, telewerken en op afstand vergaderen explosief stimuleren.(en wat nog meer?) De gebruiker kan meer (nee zeg) informatie, geluid en beeld via een (DIT is leuk) GEWONE telefoonkabel ophalen dan tot dusver mogelijk is. Ook blijft de Internet-gebruiker als hij (en zij) "surft" telefonisch bereikbaar. Volgens een woordvoerder van AT&T hebben da nationale PTT's daarmee een antwoord gekregen op de kabelmodems van de kabelmaatschappijen. Die vormen met hun hogesnelheid-kabelmodems (1.440.000 bps heb ik eens gelezen) een bedreiging voor de telecommunicatiemaatschappijen (Gee) die kalneten kunnen kwijtraken. Volgens de zegsman van AT&T (alweer) liggen de kaartmodems waarschijnlijk eind volgend jaar in de winkel. De consument hoeft de kaart alleen maar in zijn pc in te bouwen om op turbo-snelheid te kunnen surfen of telewerken (en traden ;) ). De prijs zal tussen de fl 400,- en fl 600,- schommelen -------------------- Aldus een artikel uit de TELEGRAAF 23/05/96 BLZ 39 -LiGHtNiNG! (Alway's Reachable At 'The Undiscovered' !!) --- HaPPY TRaDING! --- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - AT&T Announcement [23/05/96] - ---------------------------- 384.000 bps till 1.920.000 bps MODEMS available late 1997 for conventional telephone-lines priced around $300,- / $400,- US DOLLAR (BELIEVE IT OR NOT!!) ________________________________________________________________________________ [5] __ : _ / : Amiga _ /\.\ -+--^--\/------------------+- Tradin'/\ \ \\\ | DeF BaSe sEnDz tO yA: | Team/ / \\/ \_\| | / / / /\/\.\"[TC2 Closes It Doors!]"_|/ / / \/_/\ \\\ B O L L O X \/ / / \/ \_\ Yet Anuvva Lamer on | \/____/\___/ /\/_/ the scene...read this | dEF! \/_/+---------------------^---+- ---===} DeF BaSe oF AtT bAcK AgAiN! {===--- Ok dudes... firstly thanks for grabbing this file.... I really am sorryI have to release this file. It's yet another indicator of the way the scene is going.. all horribly pear shaped. "Why?" I hear ya scream.. well I called Digital Candy today, and as i look through the new files, what do I see? -- I love powersnap ;) __ : _ / : Amiga _ /\.\ -+--^--\/------------------+- Tradin'/\ \ \\\ | * ANOTHER UK BBS GONE * | Team/ / \\/ \_\| | / / / /\/\.\"Due To LAMENESS In What_|/ / / \/_/\ \\\ Was A KEWL Scene...." \/ / / \/ \_\ | \/____/\___/ /\/_/[TC2 Closes It Doors!] | CbG! \/_/+---------------------^---+- : : -- end platonic relationship ;) Ok well ya may wonder what the hell is wrong with that. A kewl file_id.diz and another bbs closing txt file. Well I'll save ya the bother... The file_id.diz belongs to a new group called ATT (Amiga Tradin Team), and it was done by me the ascii bloke of the group. There has only been one release with this fileid in it because I only finished it last night, and this lame bastard goes and rips the fileid from it and uses it for himself. Not only is he not associated with ATT in any way (none of us have even heard of him), he removed my fucking sig (-dEF!-) from the bottom of the A and replaced it with his CbG! one, short for Carlsberg. He took the work that I did and spent time on and just credited it to him. WHY WHY WHY WHY? Why do you have to be so lame? I'm so sure that Hellfire would love me to use their file id.diz for an ATT release, and that Nemes!s wouldn't mind at all if i asked him for an ascii then scrubbed [nm$] off of it. Not. Anyone knows that I would have done a file_id.diz if ya had asked for it. My name is in the Ascii request list on Digital Candy. All it would have taken is one sodding little bit of mail. And y'know, I called TCII last night, and it was most definately NOT CLOSED. So somehow this may be just a little bit of a fake. So I would suggest ya ignore this file, and Smudge dude, tell everyone that ya board aint closed if it aint. Carlsberg, it's people like you who start scene wars and make the scene what it is today. Pretty SHIT. I don't want to start some shite scene war, so just read this txt and think. No replies thanks. Everything I have said here is backed up by all ATT members. ATT - The group founded on friendship, not on how many megs you can upload to a bbs. Contact me on any ATT board: HaVoK (mine!) o17o2 3o6474 Sysop DeF BaSe, Cos !n5ane, Banjo, AJ MiGGY^pC^AtT DisTro^G$P DisTro Pyramid o1289 3o4426 Sysop Scarab, Cos Joe Bloggs, ???you???? MiGGY^pC^AtT WHQ^FlatLiners^Anathema The Forrest o13o2 363129 Sysop Joe Bloggs MiGGY^pC^AtT DiStro All 24hrz of course! email defbase@dcandy.demon.co.uk Oh yeh a final plea to all ya sysops out there - c'mon, please stop adding the multiple directory nests with like 100 subdirs and 1 add at the end of it! They really piss people off! Keep the adds in the root! sNaP greets to !n5ane, Banjo, Scarab, Stookie, Dreamflight, Orson, Guru, Nemes!s, Joe Bloggs, Shumart, Necromancer, Gridrunner, Smudge and everyone else I know..... l8RZ ---===} -- dEF! signing off with this final ascii, hoping that noone nicks it ;) ________________________________________________________________________________ [6] Bill Buck's speech at the VIScorp Amiga meeting in Toulouse, France. VIScorp - Meeting in Toulouse on 19-May-96 Toulouse 05/19/96, Bensheim 05/21-22/96, The Speech held by William 'Bill' Buck, CEO, VIScorp Good morning Ladies and Gentlemen. Welcome to the Toulouse-Show. I want to emphasize that this Press Conference is a working conference. We asked you in the world of AMIGA show to give us your ideas and your initiate us. We`ve had so many ideas that we've put in on the web site, and we had even more ideas. We had over 2000 e-mails that have been provided by users for the future of AMIGA. What we want to do here today, is we want to map out a strategy to you and we think the future of AMIGA to be and we want to make sure that you understand and we want to hear your ideas and your opportunity to participate in that future. So, I want to say before we began too much that excuse me for not answering, excuse us for not answering all your e-mail. You can imagine that we had millions and millions of e-mail messages that if there`s something that you would like us us to respond to that we haven`t responded to yet. You can be sure that I am responding to my e-mail as well as the rest of us now. In some cases Eric as an example has done a fantastic job, he personally answered over 2000 e-mail messages himself and Carl was probably on the record for good 1000 himself as well. I will try to speak slowly, I know I have got a funny American accent but so, I try to do that. First, I do apologize for the confusion about today. In the world of AMIGA show we`ve said that we will have a press conference in Germany around the end of the month. Because we had so many ideas come from you, in a community as a whole that said this kind of thing might be better, because we want to show the people and the press that we talking about what we are doing and we are doing what we`re doing. And so somehow on the process of that information I think we got a little confused and we still had some information on the AMIGA Technologies web site that was different than ours and I apologize for that, especially to the people on the German AMIGA community who I don`t want to feel excluded at all. We try to answer a lot of questions before we came here about what our intentions were for AMIGA. It`s our intention today to try to answer all the rest of the questions that you might have. So I`d ask out of respect for everybody in the world to hold their questions until we get to that point of the presentation today. We want to give you as much information as we can, when I finish my conversation, Raquel Valesco will give you the high points in French and in Spanish. Raquel, stand up please. Raquel has been the driving force behind this conference. It was her idea and the way it was organized and we proceeded was to her credit. We also have Eric Laffont. Eric, stand up please. Eric really is an employee, he has business cards and please take one from him. And Eric really is the man who devises the survey and who implemented it and he did such a fantastic job answering all the e-mails. Thank you Eric. In addition to that, there was a staff of people very nervous who also helped physically support today .I really appreciate what they did for us. We have the rest of Viscorp Team here, we start here with Don Gilbreath, Carl Sassenrath, David Rosen and we have Curtiz Gangi, so here he is, and we have Petro Tyschtschenko and Stefan Haas. Let`s talk first about the AMIGA transaction. Bill Buck and Helmut Jost made a deal. It`s based on trust, it`s based on a handshake and it will probably based on this much paper when it`s all finished. It`s not finished. Bill Buck and Helmut Jost have a deal, and when it`s done, Viscorp will be the owner of AMIGA. One more thing I like to say about this. Raquel and I last week were the guests of the New York Stock Exchange. And we stood in the member`s gallery with the treasury and the secretary of the New York Stock Exchange, the biggest capital market in the world. He told us that the reason why the Stock Exchange works is because two people have a trust. And trust is based on a "purple" agreement and for three days there`s nothing written. There`s no transaction. This agreement that Helmut Jost and I have at this point is we`re waiting for this is based on trust and that's why we don`t feel uncomfortable with this meeting today, and that`s why I'm sure that this transaction will be completed. The second thing I like to say for the record is that Viscorp is committed to the future of the AMIGA computer. We`re committed to the AMIGA computer because we think the AMIGA computer represents a valuable choice to the market place and we believe it can be a profitable business. We think that means that we're gonna have to make some changes. We're gonna have to lever up the good things that have happened in the past and try to step beyond the things that everybody doesn't agree about. The difficulties that the platform has had in general don`t and we think we can do that and I will come back to that in a minute. Certainly, we believe in the operating system. We licensed it in December because we believe in the operating system. The fact that this opportunity was created for Viscorp because of the difficulties of ESCOM have anything to do with our believe in the operating system. We believe in the operating system. We think it still lives. The only multimedia and multitasking operating system in the world in our opinion. The second thing is and probably the most important thing is we believe in you. We believe in the community. Without a community of people like AMIGA has AMIGA will be just like everybody else. You guy are fanatics ! You can believe the thousands of e-mail messages I got. We asked you for your ideas at the AMIGA show and we were amazed by how many ideas came back to us. It was overwhelming. So, what we realized is that there is a future for AMIGA that absolutely no doubt about it like any development community. There had to be support, but this was going to be a little different in this case. Your ideas from everything you can imagine and we`re gonna take advantage of all those ideas. The first step we wanna make to you, the community, is that we are ready to listen. We think we demonstrated that we have the capacity to do that and that it's not our intention to change in that respect at all. The second thing we want to share with you are the results of our survey. We think it`s very vital information and we intend to do that on our website. That's in fact how we intend to get a lot of information to you in the future. We hope in the next few weeks to post documentation on the website that will support you. We know that there are people who can`t find this vital documentation that they need to do the things they want. We`re gonna try to get back and use our website as our best means of communication to the community. You can't imagine all the different places in the world that we're talking to people about us. We have a clear vision for what we want to do in the future and we believe we can support that vision. Let me just say from the outset that we think that in 1997 there will be more AMIGAs sold than we ever had been before. Most of those AMIGAs are gonna be our products and in products. It`s not gonna happen because little Viscorp makes them, it`s gonna happen because big companies decide to license the technology and put technology into existing products that they have. In the next few weeks there will be an announcement from us about a big company that makes TV-sets. We`re gonna put these things inside the TV set. First, as we get ready to talk about the ED and I'm sorry to say that we just have the ED in NTSC-version today because we had to develop our own operating system in the beginning which Carl wrote too by the way. It only works in this environment right now. That`s the great thing about AMIGA, it works in all the other environments. You`ll be able to see that product very shortly, but today we want to show you our ED, in black and white only, sorry. Two things to remember here: The first thing is with all you AMIGA guys, we know you have a great imagination, so pretend it`s in color. The second thing is that television technology hasn't changed in four years. It's a great thing about what we are proposing to do. The computer changes every week, there`s a faster processor, there`s more memory and there`s a new version of windows 95, it takes 95 megabytes. There`s lots of different things that are happening. This environment hasn`t changed. It`s a stable environment. It`s a very fertile field for us to do something, fantastic things. One more thing I would like to say before I get into the little demonstration of our ED. The past is the past, I don't care about what happened before. This is a new deal. Don`t whine on me about this or that. Look, I know that I`m not talking to you people because you are here on sunday morning but there are a lot of people in the community that are still upset about things that happened before. This is something new. We`re going forward, we`re going to demonstrate it every step of the way we`re going to go. That as an example that there are specific things that when we know we`re gonna do we will tell you. I can tell you right now a walker before Christmas, I don't think so. I think there may be some other company that may decide: It was a good idea. We won`t have a power PC port ready for Christmas. We got to do something, we have parts and hardware that can take advantage of the OS. We got to show these people that we are moving. Great idea, it`s a prototype, if somebody wants to pick up the ball and run with it. We`re ready to try to support that person. And in the same way, still even this month there were people at AMIGA Technologies that were talking about the walker being introduced this year. All I can say is that this person in particular doesn't work at AMIGA Technologies anymore. There are a lot of people that don't work at AMIGA Technologies anymore. The ones that we feel have something to add to what we`re doing in the future are still there and work silent about then. And we have to put all that stuff behind us. That was just a little example. Now what is Viscorp going to do for AMIGA? First thing is, we're gonna introduce a new operating system by the fourth quarter. If there are companies on the high end that have an interest in porting over the AMIGA OS to another processor, maybe the power PC. We're happy to support those people. No problem. We think there's another solution to this. We've been in conversations with DEC about the Alpha Chip, that can do 300 megahertz right now. We think that might be the right way to really boost the video. I think that`s something that we are going to be working on and you might see something about that in the middle of 1997. Also on the low end we have our products. Our products are ready. We're gonna talk to you about them later. These things can be adapted in certain ways that can add new functionality to the A1200 level products. And we think there are some ways so that we can tweak the A1200 too. Or we can speed up the bus or something like that to help us get the chipsets to work a little faster. We think we can do a lot of things and that's why we wanna hear from you people because we think you might have ideas we don't know about. And we want to leverage off those. We're happy to let you participate in those idea`s success. So, before I start talking about the ED, I`m going to ask Raquel to cover the main points in French and Spanish, just to make sure we're all together before we go to the next step. Raquel, please. Thanks very much to Simone. Pawletzki for listening very carefully to the tape and typing that much in a foreign tongue. Thanks must also go to Christoph Guelicher for helping, deciphering, guessing and contributing to the 'missing parts' in the transscript. CONTACT VISCorp: www.vistv.com Amiga is a registered trademark of ESCOM AG Copyright 1995-1996 by AMIGA Technologies GmbH - Editor: CG Send comments to - Date: 22.05.96 ________________________________________________________________________________ [7] bYtEs iN pROGRESs - BPS A new group is born in Norway , based on nO rEMORSe as WHQ With wEiRd oNe as SYSOP^ORGANIZER^TRADER aNDy as TRADER^COORGANIZER^INET SURFER cHEESe as GFXER^CODER FIDO as our MASCOT^FUNNY DUDE We are based on friendship and phun , to join ... Call no remorse and upload about 100 Mb and give sysop a comment ;D Or just a comment with info about yourselv and or samples of your work! We are interested in good ASC² ARTISTS, TRADERS, TRACERS, CODERS, SUPPLYERS, CRACKERS, SYSOPS & more ________________________________________________________________________________ [8] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- real text starts here ---- .__________________________________________. | _____ __ | | _______/ __/ _(__)______________________: :/ ____7 _7___7 7 __ | 7 7 _____7 / :/ / / ~ /: / :/ 7 / / ___) : \______/______/____\__/ /\_______\______7| : ~ ~ ~ /____7 ~ | | | | Read The Truth about CLIQUE! | l________________________________________[k] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- * WOULD BE HIGHT APPRICIATED IF THIS CAN OCCUR IN SOME MAGAZINES AS AN * ARTICLE, OR ITS SUMMARY BY THE EDITOR IN "NEWS" CHAPTER ---------------------------------------------------------------------- It's finally the time to clear some things up.. Precisely, the problem is about.. 1-our group name, CLIQUE. 2-the news in the latest JURASSIC PACK, and the text-files going around the BBS's, which says that we have members from TRSI, Hoodlum etc etc.. -1- We in Clique are the proud owners of this name for about 5 years in the computer scene. We started on the little old C64 and had many achievements. We released the #1 rated diskmag called SCRIPT, and Clique swappers, demos and lotsa other members had their places in the charts. We had members from Turkiye (Clique is a TURKISH group), Germany, England, Israel, Finland, Belgium, Norway and Australia. We were even voted as ONE OF THE BEST 10 GROUPS EVER IN C64 HISTORY in Fairlight's diskmag.. I gave these examples NOT TO boast around, but to prove that we are one of the MOST SUCCESSFULL groups of the C64.. Time passed and our members started moving to other computers like the Amiga and PC. But our group remained, coz we always were (and still are) very good friends. Clique is for us, more than just a computer group. Even if no one of us produces anything, and even if we grow so old that none of us will be able to see our monitors, we still be having that Clique-spirit, coz we had the best times together, in computer scene and in real life.. When we saw some text-files going around in the BBS's, telling about a new Australia-based group called Clique, we thought they would soon be aware of the fact and change their name.. But seems, because of our inactivity, they did not notice the case.. I guess this text will help to clear some things up. The strange point was that, we had a very large Australian division once. It must be a real luck, that they didn't know that Clique already existed. -2- And now about the news about us in the latest JURASSIC PACK. Seems some "children" from Turkiye, who can not stand our fame and our success, are trying to spread some false rumours about us. Thanx God we have many friends in the scene, who know what we are made of. But to those of you, who still don't know anything about us.. WE ARE NO SMALL LAMEBRAIN SCENE CHILDREN.. We know what "Sonik Clique" is. We do *NOT* have any kind of problem with them. We are "Clique" and they are "Sonik Clique".. But, the asshole who supplied Jurassic Pack with the news about us.. He wanted us to get into some problems with some famous groups. He sent news like "Detail joined Clique from TRSI" and so on. Well, Detail has been a Clique member for over 3 years. And he NEVER WAS in TRSI or so. And I, Remix/Clq, AM NOT A DOUBLE MEMBER in Virtual Dreams. (like it appeared in the news..) Those were ALL wrong, and were aimed to have us scorned by the scene. After this JURASSIC PACK news, we met some text-files going around the scene, telling that we really claimed that we HAVE members from TRSI, Hoodlum and VD. They wrote that we said "We are the best team around" etc etc.. We are very calm about this matter, fo we know that we never did such a thing, but it was only some Turkish-wannabees, who are certainly aware that they will never be able to do all the things we did for the Turkish scene.. They are trying to put us down, but, unfortunately this is too hard to do. (you assholes have to do much better than spreading lies around... :)) ) We in Clique hope this text will clear things up... Thanx for your attention and time.. Clique-Turkiye.. (Active-Amiga) Member Status.. ------------------------------ Coolshot. Sysop of -Chronique- [+90-216-3102150] Master... Code Mit...... Code Kris..... Gfx, code, trade [maineditor at ETERNAL diskmag, dbl member in REBELS] Bloody... Trade [maineditor at ETERNAL diskmag] Detail... Code, Trade Remix.... Trade Melih.... Code Smile.... Trade Ravel.... Gfx Cooper... Music PS: Would be very happy if some of my old contacts on the C64 (or Amiga) get in contact with me once again via internet: Remix@magnet.com.tr (or contact kris via kris@young.bbs.tr) I was REMIX/CLIQUE on the C64, editor of SCRIPT, the disk-mag. I also was REMIX/CRYSTAL and REMIX/CLASSIC on Amiga. Greetings to all my personal friends. They all know that neither REMIX nor his group would do such a thing.. Finally some Turkish crap.. Gerizekalilar.. Butun bu yaptiklarinizla Turkiye'nin ve Turk scene'inin agzina sictiginizin umarim farkindasiniz. Sizler bilgisayariniza "atari" derken, biz Turkiye'nin adini yurtdisinda duyurmaya calisiyorduk. Dunyanin en buyuk gruplarindan biri olduk. Turkiye hakkinda kurdugumuz bu buyuk ve guzel imaji sizin yalanlarla dolu textlerinizle bozmaniza izin vermeyiz. Tum scene'in eninde sonunda anlayacagi olay su olacak.. Turkiye'de buyuk gruplar var. Birseyler yapmis, biryerlere gelmis, belirli "scene" olgunluguna ulasmis gruplar.. Ama her ulkede oldugu gibi, Turkiye'de de kendini elit zanneden, 2-3 production cikardilar diye bir bok olduklarini sanan, ve 3-4 stuff trade ettiler diye kendilerini aktif zanneden dangalaklar var.. Iste bu dangalaklar en basit numaralarini yaptilar.. Sizin anlamaniz gereken su.. Bizim gibi bir gruba bok atmak, kendi bok cukurunuzda bogulmaya benzer. Boyle ucuz oyunlarla kendinizi ne kadar basitlestirdiginizin farkinda oldugunuzu umuyoruz. (aslinda bunu anlayacak kapasitede olsaniz boyle birsey yapmadiniz..) Turk Scene'inin anlamasi gereken de su.. Ne yapalim.. Bu herifler "eylemlerine devam edecekler" cunku 'heyecanli ve hevesli scene gencleri' olduklari icin tum bu yaptiklarinin onlara birseyler getireceklerini umit ediyorlar. Yaptiklarinin yanlis oldugunu anlayacaklarini sanmiyorum. O yuzden onlara katlanmak zorundayiz. Her ulkede boyle "wanna-bee"ler vardir.. Bizimkiler de bunlar iste.. -----the end. ________________________________________________________________________________ [9] THE TOP SEVEN WAYS ON HOW NOT TO GET BUSTED. BY DATA STREAM. IM AN ELITE HACKER AND PHREAKER CALLED DATA STREAM I NEED A PBX TO TRADE MY WAREZ ON. CONTACT ME. THE WAYS NOT TO GET BUSTED BY BRITISH TELECOM. BY AN ELITE WAREZ PHREAK. ======================================================================== OK WELL ERMM DATA STREAM HERE AGAIN WELL I JUST CALLED ILLICIT AND SAID IF YOU WANT A DIAL TONE AT THE END OF YOUR PHONE THEN STOP REPLYING TO MY ULTRA LAME TEXT FILES. I MEAN ITS NOT MY FAULT IM A LAMER IS IT LIKE THEY SAY YOU ARE BORN A LAMER. ANYWAY ANYONE WHO WANTS TO CALL MY BBS AND UPLOAD C00L WAREZ THEN JUST GIMME A CALL ON +44 1472 349808.. OR VOICE ON +44 1472 268334.. ERMM ANYWAY HERE IS THE TOP SEVEN WAYS ON HOW NOT TO GET BUSTED BY BRITISH TELECOM. 1. WHEN YOU FIND A MESSAGEDESK CHANGE ALL THE PASSWORDS ON THE BOXES, THIS WAY THEY WILL NEVER KNOW THE TRANSFER SETTINGS HAVE BEEN CHANGED. 2. FIND THE SUPERVISOR BOX AND CHANGE THE DEFAULT MAILBOX TO ONE OF YOUR OWN THEN READ ALL THE MAIL BECAUSE ITS REALLY FUNNY. 3. ALWAYS DIAL 141 BEFORE THE NUMBER YOU DIAL AS ITS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM TO TRACE YOU. 4. CALL BT SECURITY AND SAY A PBX IS BEING ABUSED AND GIVE THEM YOUR VOICE NUMBER BECAUSE THEY WILL THINK YOU ARE THE OWNER AND EVEN IF THEY TRACE YOU THEY WONT BUST YOU. 5. WHEN YOU ARE ON THE PHONE TALK IN A MUFFLED VOICE NOT LIKE YOUR OWN BECAUSE IF THEY ARE LISTIENING INTO YOUR FONE CONVERSATIONS YOU CAN PRETEND IT ISNT YOURSELF. 6. TELL EVERYONE YOU USE PBXS BECAUSE WHEN PEOPLE ARE BUSTED THEY WILL KNOW NOT TO GRASS YOU IN BECAUSE YOU USE THEM. 7. IN THE HACK AND PHREAK SECTIONS ON YOUR BBSS THEN DELETE ALL THE FILES YOU DONT LIKE.. I.E. ALL THE FILES EXCEPT THE ONES ABOUT ELiTE PBX HACKING. THEN YOU CAN GIVE ALL THE PBXS YOU HAVE TO GROUP MEMBERS TO TRADE WAREZ ON BUT DONT TELL ANYONE BECAUSE REALLY I AM A K-RAD ELITE H&P DUDE. OK AND FINALLY A QUICK MESSAGE TO AT&T SECURITY, MCI SECURITY, BT SECURITY, AND MERCURY SECURITY.. ERMM HI GUYZZZ I HAVE BEEN USING PBXS, ATT CALLING CARDZZZ AND MCI CALLING CARDZZ FOR ABOUT 4 YEARS NOW BUT ERMM I DIDNT MEAN TO MY HAND KEEPS SLIPPING ON THE PHONE SO ERMM IT WAS ALL AN ACCIDENT I HOPE YOU CAN FORGIVE ME. IF YOU NEED THIS TO BE EXPLAINED JUST GIMME A CALL ON +44 1472 268334 BUT YOU PROBABLY TRACED ME BACK ON 01472 349808. I AM IN A GROUP CALLED SKID ROW AND FOR SOME REASON THE ENTIRE GROUP WAS SHUT DOWN BY AT&T SECURITY.. ERMMM FOR SOME REASON WE KEEP GETTING SHIT ON BY AT&T. OK HI TO SEMTEX HE IS MY BEST MATE EVER HE IS LIKE REALLY ELITE AND WE OFTEN SEE EACH OTHER AT THE WEEKENDS FOR ORGASMIC PHREAKING SESSIONS ON THE C00L PBXS I SCAN OUT. I FOUND ONE THE OTHER DAY IT ONLY LASTED 6 HOURS BUT HEY I KNOW HOW TO USE A PBX LIKE ERMM THATS WHY I HAVE SO MANY. GREETZ FLY OUT TO MY FRIENDS: GOA: HEY DUDE COOL BBS ERMMM WHY ARE YOU SO ELITE. SLAYER: HEY ERMMM SO WHERE ARE THESE PBXS YOU PROMISED ME THEN DUDE. DOT^MATRIX: HI WELL ARE YOU GOING TO WIPE OUT MY FONE BILL VIA THE CSS. NEMES!S: HI ERMM GIMME SOME WAREZ DUDE. WELL ERMM I HAVENT GOT ANY OTHER FRIENDS BUT IF YOU WANT TO BE AN IMMORTAL HACKER AND PHREAKER AND ANARCHIST LIKE ME THEN WHY NOT APPLY TO MY ELITE BBS NO NEW USER PASSWORD FOR A LIMITED TIME. OK BYE. SIGNING OFF: DATA STREAM/SR/TWAT/PRICK/WANKER/PERVERT. ________________________________________________________________________________ [10] .------------------------------------------. | | | EXTREME TERROR BBS GOES OFFLINE! | | | | READ ABOUT THE REASONS WHY! | | | `------------------------------------cBl!--' Hi, this is cANNiBAl speaking. I have today taken the decision to close my BBS "Extreme Terror" down! I have lotz of reasons to do this. Some are just the high amount of phone bills, the lame scene, the actual situation of the Amiga and the very high bust risk nowadays. When I look at the wares traded today, I just can say I would nuke about 80% of it, coz there`s so much shit out there. The flood of renames makes it hard for REAL traders to see, what is original and what is rename. No dudes, this is not what I opened my BBS for. 2-3 Majors per Month! Else just Internet Stuff and other crap. I don`t see any reason to spend nearly all my money for that. As I said the bust risk is really high today - but I don`t wonna get busted for that. This is`nt really woth getting busted anymore! The future for the Amiga is not very good. It seems that there is really no company, who is able to make such a brilliant computer like the Amiga is, uptodate with nowadays computer technology. And the software comps. nearly all move over to other systems - quitting in producing Amiga soft! So facing this situation I took the decision to turn off the power switch of my computer. I don`t see any reason to work 50-60h weekly for my BBS only, if I just get 70 Megs of Internet crap weekly , which I can get on every Aminet CD. I would say, maybe 30% (Maybe less) of todays wares, are real wares worth trading. But okay - I`d like to say thanks to every User of my BBS for giving me the great support I had the last months. It was really a great time with nearly all of you. I`d like to greet noone special, coz I don`t want to write 5K of greets in this useless textfile. I just want to greet everyone I ever met in the Scene and specially all members of Hellfire, Flood and Bad Conscience Inc! Signing off: cANNiBAl [HELLFIRE^FLOOD^DATA DIVISION^BAD CONSCIENCE INC!] NOW EX SYSOP OF EXTREME TERROR BBS! ************************************************************************** *** Sysops - Pleez don`t delete my account - I`m just no Sysop anymore *** *** But I`m still going to call your BBS. *** ************************************************************************** -[eOf]------------------------------------------------------------------------- [11] ._________ ___ ______ _____ ___ _96/05/19_. | .. ___) \__ _/\_ ___) \___ .. | | .-' _\_ _____/__ \__/ _\____ _/_ `-. | | : _/ __/__ \_ _/ __/__ \_ : | | `-\______/_/ / \______/_/ /-' | | : -dV$/_______/ T!/_______/ : | | | | | | | Fatal/Epsilon Design brings you: | | | | | | | | ANOTHER STEP WILL GO OFFLINE | | |___¯)________________________________(¯___| . | . _____ | ___________ __________ ________ ___|_ |_____ ________ __________ ./ _ _\__\_ / _ \./ |_ | _/ __/___ \_ / | _ \ / / \ | _/ _ \ _/ | / /. | |_____\ /_______\___________|______|____| \___________| \_______| |______| \/ | _____| /_______|-Mo!/aL ________ _ _____ _______ | _____________ \ _./ |_ __/__ ./ _ / ·Another Step· .\ \| _/ _/ | / / |_________\______|___________| _____/ | _____| | Another Step will be offline for some time. You . E P S I L O N D E S I G N can still get in contact with me, by dialing | J E D I A R T S +46-21-330975 (The bbs line) voice. I'm changing BBS program and sorting over 100megs of ascii collections, so I feel that Another Step would only suffer from this with a lot of down time. So until I reopen the board. Hang in there all of my fans! ;) When Another Step goes online there will be a massive Ascii conference with over 100 megs of pure ascii enjoyment and everything will be for freeleech. If you have some questions and can't phone me for some reason, catch me on the irc channel #AMIFRONT with the nick fTL^eD. Or drop me an email at fatal@quicknet.se, and please NO ascii requests. Those letters will be discarded. Have a beautyfull life and until next time! / Fatal Of Epsilon Design/Obscene/G^Force ________________________________________________________________________________ [12] .------------------------------------------. || || || TO BE OR NOT TO BE! || || || || AMIGA OR NOT AMIGA! || || || || VERARSCHT OR NOT VERARSCHT! || || || || || || THAT'S DA DAMNED QUESTION! || || || `------------------------------------------' jo, was nun? werded ihr euch fragen, schon wieder so ne stink scheiss mail. jo, was soll ich sonst machen, klar, ich habe wieder langeweile.. wie einige von euch bestimmt denken. ich zappe so neulich durch die fernseh kanaele und was sehe ich da, NEUSS die computer sendung, fuer PC LAMER, die gerne mal alle funktionen von EXCEL erklaert haben wollen, da man als normaler user jeden tag auch kraeftig mit allen funktionen damit arbeitet. nundenn, neugierig wie man auch ist, glotzt man den scheiss, mit der hoffnung, das sie eventuell was anderes bringen. und siehe da. ungeachtet dessen bekommt man eine 30 sekunden interview mit tschetschenko (polski: kurva!) ueber amiga technlologies und der zukunft des amigas. sicherlich freut man sich ueber jegliche art von engagment ueber amiga im fernsehen, doch was ich gehoert habe war nur dreck. ich moechte nicht beleidingend wirken, aber der reportierte hat nur dreck von sich gegeben. schoen wie es das marketing und das kaputte denken diesem herren entspricht, labert er ueber "amiga gemeinde", "tolle technologie", "nichts neues", "bemuehen das was neues kommt", "walker". etc. aber immer noch nichts handfestes. ich persoenlich bin immer noch guter hoffnung ueber phase 5. ich persoenlich habe mit amiga technologies abgeschlossen. haette sogar einen tip GRATIS fuer diese herren. spart euch das geld und den einsatzt, fuer den walker. im verlauf muelltonne genannt. ich sehe tag taeglich immer mehr leute den amiga verlassen, in der letzten woche habe ich alleine schon mehr als 20 adverts von bekannten scene leuten gesehen, die ihren schotter an die maus bringen wollen. was meint ihr wer wuerde so normal sein und sich so eine muelltonne zulegen wollen, die zumal noch antiquitaets wuerdige eigenschaften besitzt?. gebt das geld lieber kompetenten leuten in phase 5, die koennen damit besser umgehen. es ist bedauerlich von euch leuten zu sehen, wie ihr mit eurem minderen verstaendis den amiga mehr und mehr in die tiefe schiebt. ihr reded staendig davon den amiga retten zu wollen, aber in wirklichkeit tretet ihr noch kraeftig hinein, damit er auch gewaltig tiefer faellt. ihr labert in interviews, von "amiga kreisen", die es tollfinden was ihr macht und von denen die es nicht toll finden. ich haette zu gerne gewusst, wer da der positiv denker ist. ich wuerde diese mail nicht verfassen, wenn ich mich nicht vorher ausgiebig mit einigen leuten unterhalten haette. alle aber auch RESTLOS alle in der AMIGA scene, damit meine ich die leute, die amiga zu dem gemacht haben was es heute ist (ich meine damit die real scene, die den amiga zu dem kult gemacht haben den er heute hat) sind der meinung, das ihr in amiga technologies total inkompetente irre seid. ihr glaubt sicherlich selber nicht an dem was ihr da verbreitet. es ist so wie, als wenn man einem hund sein fresschen geben will. die muelltonne ist so ein fresschen, ebend mal zusammengeschnitzt und da haste. sicherlich hat man in amiga technologies mit "amiga kreisen" die parkuhren vor der firma gemeint, die man mit 0.50 DM befragt hat, na, was denkt ihr ueber amiga, und als antwort hat man dann gehoert.... XXXXXXX was bei amiga technologies heisst, "japps ihr seit die hechte, genau die leute, worauf die amiga scene gewartet hat. ihr holt amiga aus dem dreck". scheisse ist passiert. nochmal nachgetreten habt ihr. was soll denn nun konsequent passieren? haha! ich weiss ich bin 100% sicher das ihr frueher oder spaeter mal diese mail zu lesen bekommt. waehre gelacht, wenn sich keiner von euch in der scene aufhaelt. ich hasse es, wenn man um den heissen brei herumlabert! das stinkt nicht nur mir, sondern dem ganzen rest der amiga scene "ich rede von scene, da es keine gemeinde ist. man trifft sich nicht jeden tag persoenlich!". wir werden mit dritt klassigen texten und infos fuer kleinkinder abgewimmelt. ist ganz klar, wie soll man leute informieren, wenn nichts zum informieren da ist. ist logo das keiner wissen will wie kickstart 3.2 aufgenaut ist, da es sich um kickstart 3.1 handelt mit neuer version, funktionstechnisch sicherlich voll indentisch. den hex editor habt ihr gefunden. selbst die includes die von euch mit neuer version rausgegeben wurdenm beinhalten nichts neues. man schrieb von fixes etc, aber da war jedes byte exakt dem byte der alten commodore version, ausser dem kopf natuerlich der angepasst wurde. das ist, als wolle man einen hund bei laune halten und ihn mit stoeckchen holen beschaeftigen. ihr macht etwas gutes, wenn ihr ebend mal so kurz bei phase 5 ancallt und sacht. start frei, das ist genau das richtige. davon mal abgesehen und nebenbei bemerkt, das phase 5 schon immer kappiert hat was da bei euch kranken in amiga technologies abgeht. ich habe schon vor einiger zeit gesagt, das bei amiga technologies nichts kommt. und siehe da es kommt nichts, die muelltonne ist da eingeschlossen, da es nichts ist. bei fisch-korb kann man auch nichts erwarten. sicherlich sind da leute drin, die damals unter "CATS" den schotter zusammengemelted haben, aber heute ist das nicht mehr aktuell. wo steht da jegliche relation? es ist relativ zu beurteilen, das man von artfremden firmen erwarten kann, das sie sich mit einem widerum artfremden projekt befassen. die technologie ist ueberall gerne gesehen, nur ist es leider bedauerlich zu sehen, wohin die technologie verschenkt wird. amiga technologies dachte sicherlich, wir packen es an wie intel, wir geben die technologie frei, damit man sie repruduzieren kann um so die wirtschaftliche basis des amigas zu sichern, dabei haben sie genau das verkehrte gemacht. irgendwie haben sie nicht kapiert, das man, rein hypothetisch, mit kuhmilch nur kaelber fuettern sollte und nicht ferkel. d.h. amiga technologie nicht in kuehlschraenke einsetzten sollte, sondern als computer. naja, wie koennen wir was anderes erwarten als inkompetenz. es sind bekanntlich die falschen menschen am richtigen projekt. die es nicht besser verstehen als das geld sinnlos auszugeben. das fisch-korb die ganzen spinner in amiga technologie rausgeworfen hat, ist vorteilhaft, je weniger dieser idioten sich damit befassen, desto besser. das kann man nur befuehrworten. je mehr spinner am projekt, desto tiefer sinkt der amiga, da wie erwaehnt die falschen am zuge sind. was nun fisch-krob macht, weis kein schwein. wozu sollen wir amiga leute uns noch kraeftig den hintern tot-treten und irgendwelchen porno decoder herstellern anbetteln, den amiga zu retten. wir die amiga scene haben damals ueber den c64 gelacht, aber dort sagte man immer, der c64 stirbt erst, wenn der amiga laengst gestorben ist. nunja wir haben alle drueber gelacht, aber nun stehen wir selber in der scheisse. allerdings weiss man auf dem c64 das es keine zukunft mehr gibt. (damit meine ich halt c64, c65 und c128 rechner). wir hingegen wissen nichts. noch nicht einmal ob der amiga schon gestorben ist oder nicht. ich kann mich nur meiner letzten mail anschliessen und hoffen das phase 5 durchgreift und den amiga aus der scheisse holt. ich kann auch nur wiederholen was ich bereits sagte. ich konnte es nicht glauben, aber sehr viele teilten die meinung was ich in meinem alten text verfasst hatte. uns bleibt nichts anderes uebrig als auf die kompetentz von phase 5 aufzubauen. das ist so zu sagen der letzte faden vom seil, wenn der reisst, dann kann man drueber nachdenken ein potentieller bill gates kunde zu werden. vorher jedoch nicht. ich habe es gelernt niemals aufzugeben, egal was kommt. ich rate jedem noch ein weilchen auszuharren. auf dem pc bekommt man bessere spiele, das ist sicher, man bekommt leistungstaerkere programme, das ist auch sicher (naja kein diropus etc. aber egal) aber eines bekommt ihr da so schnell nicht. das amiga gefuehl, das betriebssystem und den fun. nunja beim letzteren punkt bin ich mir momentan nicht so sicher, da es vielen leuten momentan total auf dem sack geht ueberhaupt etwas auf dem amiga zu machen aber irgendwie muss man die augen zukneifen und sagen, ich muss da durch. der amiga ist in der tat momentan vom betriebssystem und anwendung her das genialste, was es auf dem computer sektor gibt, da kann sich jedes andere unternehmen eine scheibe von abschneiden. und insgeheim freut es mich, das bill g(aids) dieses noch nicht geklaut hat, so wie er jedes andere produkt klaut und es als seines deklariert, dies jedoch ist ein weiters kapitel. die gelder sind bei phase 5 besser augehoben, da diese firma uns immer mit ihren cards ueberzeugt hat. wir sehen ja seit jahren firmen dichtmachen und den amiga verlassen, doch eine firma ist gekommen die es geschafft hat. wir wissen alle, wenn die hardware nichts taugen wuerde, dann haetten sie nie im leben eine einzige card verkauft, doch dem ist mit nichten. ich kann nur an alle leute appelieren, behaltet eure amigas noch eine weile. haltet durch, verkauft des nicht so schnell, sicher kann man sagen, lieber jetzt verkaufen, auf pc umsteigen und dann sehen was passiert, wenn was neues kommt, dann kaufen wir uns nen amiga. habt ihr euch auch die negativen aspekte des pc's klar gemacht? es gibt mehr als euch lieb ist, ich kann mir hut vorstellen, das ihr bei euren freunden schoen mal ebend "duke nukem 3d" gezockt habt (eg: mir persoenlich gefaellt die stelle, wo er wartet und ruft: "what are you waitin' for... christmas?) aber scherz beiseite, ihr seht nur die tollen spiele, im hinterkopf habt ihr die tollen und reichhaltigen programme, aber denken tut ihr nicht. es gibt soviel negatives. - schutzfehler unter windows - das lange laden - kein directory opus like programm, glaubt mir ihr werded den alten diskmaster 1.0 noch schaetzen lernen. norton commander 6 ist genauso arm wie die 5er version. - lange tempfiles - windowsverzeichnis ist ein verzeichnis wo alles reinkommt, und nie wieder etwas rausgeht.halt ne muelltonne. keine ordnung. - das file system laesst noch zu wuenschen uebrig, wenn ihr mal euren fat- eintrag vernichtet habt, dann hattet ihr ueberlange datei namen. - staendig plattenfehler, ohne jeglichen grund. - ihr koennt keinerlei ordnung in die dateien bringen, so wie man es unter amiga gewohnt ist. einige von uns (ich eingeschlossen) haben es gerne das die dateien kleingeschrieben sind, und die system abhengigen texte in kleinbuchstaben gewandelt sind etc, alles schoen mit tabs versehen usw. also all das was das amiga system zum amiga gemacht hat. - das windows 95 ist mit dossachen schneller als das dos 7.0! was fuer mich ein raetsel darstellt. - das pnp ist dreck auf pc, man muss dennoch konfigurieren was das zeug haelt, damit es laeuft. - das installieren neuer treiber unter windows 95 ist die wahre hoelle. - os2 warp, ist der noch groessere dreck, man sagte es sei vergleichbar mit amiga os, aber dem ist bei weitem nicht so, da ist noch mehr chaos in den datei verzeichnissen, ohne das normale microsoft scheiss kommt ihr damit eh nicht klar, ohne ms zusatz laufen viele spiele nicht usw. naja dann hat man die ganzen sachen nicht, die man gerne haette usw. - staendig irgendwelche konflikte usw. - windows 3.11 auf einem pentium 100 zu installieren ist genauso als wenn man sich ohne narkose die hoden rausreisst. eine einzige kastration, einen 32 bit faehigen rechner auf 16 bit zu verwerten ist doch nicht im sinne des erfinders, ich hatte es mit den 32 bit erweiterungen versucht, aber dann zog meine scsi platte nur noch 6 mb anstatt 11 mb die sec, naja. alles nur ne reine formsache. dennoch sehe ich immer mehr leute auf pc umsteigen, sie denken einfach nicht ueber die nachteile nach. nach ca 2 tagen hatte ich die schnauze von meinem pc total voll, und habe es bereuht dafuer 4000 dm ausgegeben zu haben (ohne monitor, ohne platten), dafuer war das zu damaligen zeitpunkt mit bester hardware (die im uebrigen heute sogar noch voll aktuell ist, aber die preise sind gesunken) bestueckt. ein guter pc macht leider noch keinen guten rechner. es gibt sicherlich auch gute aspekte, doch sollte man sich vorher mal genauer mit einem pc befassen, erst eine installation durchziehen zeigt, was so alles in einem menschen an fluessigem breihaltigem steckt ;) ich bin nach ca 4 monaten auf amiga zurueck gegangen, nunja der zeitraum war so lange aber darueber moechte ich mich nicht auslassen, da es keinem etwas anbelangen sollte. ich baute meine 3.6 gb wieder aus dem pc tower, das toshiba cd-rom und kloppte alles zurueck in den amiga und war happy. ich fuehlte mich sofort wohl, es ist einfach eine vergewaltigung der moral zu behaupten, man koenne von heute auf morgen problemlos auf einem pc umsteigen, das geht einfach nicht. es koennte nur fuer leute gehen, die den rechner als eine art, textverarbeitung ansehen. aber als scener? nie im leben, man wird krank. man koennte so vorgenen das man sich einen pc als 2t rechner zulegt, aber wer will schon einen pc haben, nachdem er eine installation da drauf durchgefuehrt hat. dort muss die hardware an die software angepasst werden, und nicht wie wir es kennen, die software an die hardware. coder haben es noch schwerer. nein nicht die theorie, die ist ueberall gleich, aber sich damit abfinden zu muessen, das mann das wofuer man jahrelang gebraucht hat es sich anzueignen, aufgeben muss. angenommen ihr habt ein wichtiges programm geschrieben (und das in assembler auch noch) und dann nen pc? nope... vorher muss ich kotzen. amiga, um nochmal drauf zurueckzukommen, kann nur gerettet werden, wenn die preise fuer hardware drastisch sinken, bzw. phase 5 uebernimmt. vergesst einfach amiga technologie, sie sind es nicht wert sich darueber gedanken zu machen, leute die einem staendig verarschen sollte man irgendwann total ans bein pissen. fisch-korb kann man auch vergessen. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- -- der obige part stammte von vor paar tagen. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- anfangs wollte ich den text nicht releasen, da mich alles momentan total ankotzt. die firmen wechseln wie ich taeglich meine unterhosen. aber nun langts mir total. liest den crap oder lasst es sein. was soll der dreck den nun? pios???? was fuer ein schwachsinniger name? was sind das fuer leute? was wissen sie ueber amiga? was denken sie zu wissen, was den amiga pleite gemacht hat? warum behauptet so ein pollacke wie tschetschenko, das solange er in amiga technologies ist, das es den amiga weitergeben wird!!! nicht er haelt den amiga am leben, sondern die momentane scene (sofern man noch davon quatschen kann). ich wage mal zu behaupten, das, wenn er was wirkliches geschafft hat, dann die pleite von amiga technologies. nun, das soll kein aufhetztbrief oder sowas sein. aber was nun? gott. nun bin ich so viele jahre auf amiga und das erste mal das ich ueberhaupt nicht mehr durchsteige was denn nun sache ist?.. verarsch, laber dreck und kotzen!... in diesen tolouse texten spricht viscorp von phase 5 usw. und von phase 5 hoert man genau das gegenteil, das diese es nicht fuer noetig befunden hatten sich mit ihnen in verbindung zu setzen??? naja kann sein das es mittlerweile zu einer einigung gekommen ist! aber wie verhaelt sich PIOS zu dem scheiss? pios labert von einem neuen weg, sagt die ganze scheisse kennen zu wollen, will mit dave haynie und konsorten neu anfangen. aber unterzeichnet den ganzen text mit. amiga is a trademark of escom?... bahhh.... geht nach hause. packt ein. dummes gelaber hatten wir schon.. meint ihr nicht das reicht.. volksverarschung wie die wildecker schweinzbuben! ja gott? wenn jeder die scheiss lage kennt, jeder weiss woran amiga krepiert ist, und jeder den scheiss ueber marketing kennt. dann warum unternimmt keiner etwas reelles? dumm labern wie bei den politikern! die quatschen uns auch taeglich mit dreck voll. und raus kommt nischt. nur tzatzicky gestank ausm mund. das ist genauso als wenn ein coder anfaengt ein intro zu coden, dieses nicht fertig bekommt, aber dann ein neues anfaengt! am ende haben wir 10000 nicht fertige sachen und dann faken wir alles zusammen und haben wieder nichts. also nichts ganzes und nichts halbes. was ist das fuer eine scheisse!! das nenne ich nun motiveren der amiga leute. den text von phase 5 hatte ich damals als ein lebendes echo aufgefasst. aber das hier brennt nun die pfanne auf dem herd an. mir ist es nun scheiss egal wer nun was entwickelt, nur hoffentlich moeglichst bald. sonst ist die kacke voll am qualmen.. seit dem geschreibsel da oben sind weitere 7 leute mit ihren sachen abgezwirbelt. einige haben ihre hardware verloren, wegen crashes usw. und kaufen sich nun nen "domesdos" rechner. wiso macht ihr nicht dieses... deklariert den amiga fuer tot. loest eure firmen auf, dann gibts keine probleme und entwickelt neu. und ganz was anderes.. aber so ein gelaber. einmal ja dann wieder nein, dann jain und dann leckt uns am arsch. ___ || || ||_|| | | | | | | | | | O | | | _ __| |__| \ __| | | | \ | | | | | | | | | | | | | \ | | | | \ | \ / \ / \ | | | | | | | | | | | das hier ist fuer! commodore amiga technologies viscorp pios fuer des gewaltige verarschen der leute. steckt euch eure plaene in den arsch daraus wird doch sowiso wieder dreck. alles was ihr in die haende bekommt, ended als dreck!!! leute behaupten das ich irre bin, warum nicht. ________________________________________________________________________________ [13] D i r e c t f r o m: _ . _ . _ _ ' (_) /_ l (_ l | )(_| __)(__) __| r. e. s. u. l. t. s. ! from:Keldon/Jewels ^ Baloo/Taste .................................................................. ::: ::: ::: i. c. i. n. g. .9 .6 r. e. s. u. l. t. s. ! ::: ... :::............................................................::: ::: ______ ::: (______) __ ... / \ _\/_ ::: / \ \/\/ ::: /__________\ .::::. :::::::::::. ::: `----------' .::::::·:.:: ::. .:::. ::: ______ .:::· ·::. :::.:: ·::. ::: / ____/ .:::· ::. .:· ::. ::: / | \ ·::. ::·::. .::::::. :::: ::: / |_, \ ·::. .:· ·::. .::· ·:::::· ... /___________\-kD! ·:::.: ·::::·: ::. :::..... `-----------' ::·::· .:. ::. ::::. ::: ::......................... :::: :: : :: :. :: ·:: ______ ::: ::: ·:.: :: :..::. :: (______) ... .:: .:: :.:: ....................../ \......::: ·::: .:: ...:::· ::: / \ ·::: .::::::::::::::::· ::: /__________\ .:::::::.·:::::::· ·:::. ::: __ `----------' ::: :: ::: _\/_ ______ ·:::.. :: ::: \/\/ / \ \ ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::· ::: /,_ \, \ ................. ::: / \ \ .:::·:::::::::::::::: ::: /____/_______\ ·::· :::. ::: `------------' ::. -------^---- .::. ... ______ ::: .:: :::....... / ,___/ .---..---. ·:::................::: :::: / | \ # l___||___ ... :::: / `--- \ . || ! 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CALL NOW! :...........................: [.AMiGA.WAREZ¦CONSOLE¦DOORS¦AZKi.COLLECTiONS¦TRAINERS¦SEXY.PICTURES¦AND.MORE...] [-AquaAdder v1.0-] ________________________________________________________________________________ [15] PHASE 5 Answers - Comments Made By Dave Haynie. phase 5 Answers Comments Made by Dave Haynie Date sent: Sat, 25 May 1996 18:47:36 +0200 From: Wolf Dietrich Organization: phase 5 digital products To: cucug@cucug.org Subject: News Release / Open answer to Dave Haynie Open answer on Dave Haynie's comments on the current Amiga situation of May 22 from Wolf Dietrich, General Manager phase 5 digital products, on May 25, 96 With interest I have read Dave's comments on the current Amiga situation. As we and the Amiga are in a situation where a lot of major decisions for the future of this system are to come, I would like to answer some of his comments to reflect our position and partial different view of things. First of all, there was no animosity on our part against AT - we just wanted to get things going, and so we started the PowerUP project in late 95 as AT wasn't giving any view or commitment. We had been offering AT all of our support for quite a long time, and continued to do so in a situation where there was no development, no resources, no vision; what Dave believes to be an animosity was simply the great concern that things wouldn't go into the right direction for the Amiga. Meanwhile, all development on AT side is cancelled, so there is no more cooperation as there is nothing left to cooperate in. But let's get into some technical considerations. First of all, Dave states that our software development is kind of a hack. Funny to hear that, as he has not seen a single line of code, and also was not involved in in-depth discussions about what we are doing. To simply state the facts: For our PowerUp program, which's goal is to develop PPC upgrade boards for existing Amiga systems, we have re-written Exec and Expansion in PPC Natice Code, and two versions of 68k emulators to run the rest of the OS out of the system ROM. This is not a kind of a hack, but simple the first step which we could realize. Our plan to add a PPC native version of CyberGraphX - which has emerged as a standard today - is just a software add-on to increase the performance of those upgraded systems where parts of the OS have to be emulated. This way is not very different from, for example, having a 68040 or a 68060 library to emulate in software what is different in the processor hardware - however, as 68k and PPC have some significant differences, it can not simply be realized by a library or a new setpatch, but needs a completely re-written, but fully function-compatible Exec. Now getting to the comments on the hardware design. First of all, I leave it up to the public to judge if our announced systems are overpriced (see http://www.phase5.de/ in the news section); also the non-standard argument is missing any fundamental. I know from the technology meetings which AT, Motorola and phase5 joined in the recent months, that Dave's vision of a new computer is a standard PPRP mainboard, with a PPC CPU and a PCI bus and that's it; any idea of adding something specific which would have to be developed had been rejected by him in these discussions. But, all innovative developments today contain some individual parts, mostly in form of FPGAs or ASICs; it's the only way to build something that stands out of the mass markets. We at phase 5 definitely believe that a new Amiga system needs some unique H/W features as it had in the past; just having a ported OS running on a standard PPRP system which also runs MacOS, WindowsNT, and so on, would be the death of AmigaOS simple as there would be no sufficient reason for S/W developers to continue writing their code for Amiga OS. But even if Amiga OS would survive for some time with some application or shareware support, it would be the death of the Vision Amiga which never had been just another PC (no matter if there is a PPC or a Pentium inside). As Dave's comments on the rapid changes of the industry are concerned: We know these rapid changes, we live - succesfully - in this world. Are chips more complex to design today? Chips are more complex, but sophisticated design tools, powerful design workstations, and comprehensive functionality libraries are available today for ASIC designers. Today it's possible to start *VERY* complex designs on FPGA basis and go to the more expensive silicon in certain stages of the development. IC processes are *NOT* exponentially more expensive than some years ago, at least not for companies who want to do custom designs and get strongest support from various ASIC suppliers in the world, among them the very big names such as Motorola. Yes, even those big ones go together to build new fabs for the next millennium, but were we talking about building a next generation IC fab? As a summary of this, let me say the following: It has never been easier even for medium-sized companies to develop own, complex and demanding custom ICs than today. In such custom designs, visionary ideas can be realized cheaper than ever to provide extremely powerful products. Yes, by choosing *COMPLETELY* standard system (such as fully-assembled PPC mainboards) the cost of a system may be reduced by some bucks - but not by hundreds of Dollars. And that's what we, as we stated, don't want to do - dropping great concepts and features that make up a very special and powerful system to maybe save $25. OK, all practical bits aside, Dave came up with the question what will come out in the end. It's as simple as this: A computer that runs a PPC OS which is compatible with Amiga OS. Long before this computer comes out, *LOTS* of developers who have already joined the PowerUp program and are supported by us can prepare their software to make use of advanced features of this new OS, while other existing software will be running with the current features in 68k emulation. As most professional software vendors do support the PowerUp program, PPC native apps should be there in a considerable quantity and quality by next year - just as, for example, many software companies today already support the CyberGraphX standard which has brought an Amiga-OS compatible 24-bit engine to all these programs and those users who have a hardware that can display 24 bits of color. As a matter of fact, what we are doing is the development for a next generation OS which is Amiga compatible. We have decided to move on with our projects after we had lost months of futile discussions with AT - without those, beta developers today would have the first PPC developer boards in their hands. We can't afford to waste more time. We do see the problem that the Amiga community can't support multiple OSs, and we are absolutely open to discuss these issues with the owner of the OS, probably VIScorp, once they have time for us to talk about these things. However, Dave Haynie and the new company PIOS, which he is working for, must also keep this in mind. It's obviously PIOS, a new company, that starts out of nothing (and with no recognizable concept or development behing it) and claims for themselves to develop and market an OS "which will be recognized by the market as the next generation of the former AMIGA OS 3.1." (as read in their web site). This leaves a lot of questions open. We had meetings with the PIOS top management already, who requested our support and cooperation, so I must wonder whether Dave's comments are only given with an intention to support PIOS' position in the market. BTW, everybody out there may estimate if it is more realistic that an experienced hardware manufacturer, holding an established market position, develops a powerful custom ASIC based system, or that a startup company wants to bring the "ultimate Power Amiga" to life and reach a larger market share than Apple Computer in four years from now. phase 5 is very well aware that it will be a big and demanding task to write an Amiga-OS compatible PPC OS; however, we have a large team of very experienced S/W developers, and we have been working on parts of this project for quite some time. While I can not judge how much efforts other mentioned companies spent into their projects, we are sure to reach our goals with the strong efforts we invest into this project. To finalize my open answer, I must strictly reject that last comment from Dave, which we could see as an affront. We will neither adopt an unnamed OS nor will we offer an ugly hack; but much more important, we are not "stealing the AmigaOS", as Dave assumes. There are lots of peope out there, and companies which these people work for, who have been involved closely with Commodore or AT in the past, and do have access to proprietary information. We had several negotiations with AT, but no final agreements, and we never had any access to proprietary information or other proprietary stuff. Dave may address his assumptions that someone could steal the AmigaOS into the direction of such people mentioned above, but not into ours. Again, I strictly reject any statement that includes any such speculation. I hope this statement supports readers building up their own opinion of the current situation around the Amiga. phase 5 digital products, to reinforce this, is committed to the idea and vision Amiga. We'll continue with our project and support for all Amiga developers, fans and users. Everybody out there please feel free to mail us her/his comments and suggestions for the future of the Amiga and our project. Wolf Dietrich General Manager of phase 5 digital products Amiga-dedicated since the A1000 You can contact phase 5 digital products at: http://www.phase5.de mail@phase5.de aproject@phase5.de Fax +49 6171 583789 or by mail to the street address: phase 5 digital products In der Au 26 61440 Oberursel, Germany ________________________________________________________________________________ [16] ZREAD ALL TRUTH ABOUT STASZIC PARTY III ORGANIZED IN WARSAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -------------------------------------- party sie odbedzie, microsoft jest dalej sponsorem poprzednie informacje ze party sie nie odbedzie byly nieprawdziwe!!! ------------ "STASZIC COMPO III" party-info follows now... ------------ polskie znaki: ACELNOSXZacelnosxz (Mazowia) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ STASZIC - COMPO III - amigowo-pecetowe party! WARSZAWA - 1 i 2 CZERWCA 1996 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ !! = Zamiast wstpu = !! Drodzy Partyzanci! UWAGA! Jaki wyjtkowo perfidny l A M E R (wanie tu owo okrelenie pasuje jak ula!) PODSZYWAJC SI pod nas (czyli pod organizatorw Staszic-Compo 3) i podpisujc si naszymi ksywami i nazwiskami (po prostu ordynarne FASZERSTWO) napisa i rozprzestrzeni po scenie FASZYWE OWIADCZENIE O ODWOANIU party (Staszic-Compo 3). Jeli kto takie owiadczenie otrzyma - niech wie, e - podobnie jak my - pad ofiar BEZCZELNEGO OSZUSTWA. Wszystkie bajeczki o tym, jak to Microsoft wycofa si (?????) ze sponsoringu, w zwizku z czym wejciwka miaaby wzrosn do 50 n.z.(??????? chyba musielibymy postawi KADEMU partowiczowi po 2 l czystej - eby wyda takie pienidze... ), jak i o tym, e jest jaki "fundusz staszic-compo" (???????????), a konkurs rozstrzygnity zostanie na amach Gamblera (??????????????????) - to GARSTWA !!! Podkrelam, wic, e: !! PARTY "STASZIC COMPO III" ODBDZIE SI W ZAPOWIADANYM TERMINIE: 1 i 2 CZERWCA 1996 !!! !! SPONSOREM NAGRD RZECZOWYCH JEST MICROSOFT (WSZELKIE POGOSKI O WYCOFANIU SI TEJ FIRMY ZE SPONSORINGU STASZIC-COMPO 3 S NIEPRAWDZIWE) !!! !! WSZELKIE INFORMACJE O TYM, E PRACE NALEY NADSYA POCZT NA ADRES LICEUM STASZICA (BTW: NOWOWIEJSKA 37a, A NIE 37 ...), JAK I O TYM, E KONKURS ZOSTANIE ROZSTRZYGNITY W GAMBLERZE, CZY GDZIEKOLWIEK INDZIEJ S NIEPRAWDZIWE!!! WSZYSTKIE KONKURSY ZWIZANE Z PARTY "STASZIC-COMPO III" ROZSTRZYGNITE ZOSTAN WYCZNIE NA SAMYM PARTY (1/2 CZERWCA '96), A PRACE WINNY BY ODDANE TE BEZPOREDNIO NA PARTY !!! !! WSZYSTKIE PODPISY, KTRE ZNALAZY SI NA WYEJ OMAWIANYM FASZYWYM ZAWIADOMIENIU ZOSTAY UYTE BEZ WIEDZY I ZGODY ICH PRAWOWITYCH WACICIELI. CHODZI TU O KSYWY I NAZWISKA NASTPUJCYCH OSB: ROSTOK = Micha Rostocki Illegal / The Blood Brothers Studio S.Laskus / MizioSoft oraz ZUO / Funzine & High Quality = Jan Kaliszewski. TYM SAMYM WYMIENIONE OSOBY NIE BIOR ODPOWIEDZIALNOCI ZA TO, CO WYPISANO PONAD FALSYFIKATAMI ICH PODPISW !!! !! Na uwag zasuguje fakt (o ile w ogle zasuguje na uwag tak paskudne lamerstwo), i w rzeczonej "faszywce" nasze namiary (tel. i email'e oraz adres szkoy) zostay pozmieniane (eby adresat owego "zawiadomienia" nie mg si z nami skontaktowa). Nie wiem kto jest aUTOREM tego wistwa (nie mam dowodw na win adnej konkretnej osoby), ale uwaam, e na tego typu incydent scena powinna jako zareagowa. OSZUKANI ZOSTALI tu przecie przede wszystkim SCENOWCY - adresaci tych "owiadcze". LUDZIE! NIE DAJMY SI BEZCZELNEMU lAMERSTWU !!! /ZUO/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jeszcze z waniejszych spraw, ktre warto poruszy na wstpie: na skutek Waszych sugestii godziny trwania party ulegy zmianie! Oficjalne rozpoczcie imprezy: NIE 12:00, a 10:00, koniec imprezy NIE 12:00 (drugiego dnia), a 18:00 (drugiego dnia). Ma to by RZECZYWICIE (a nie tylko z nazwy) party DWUDNIOWE, prosimy wic o nie wyjedanie zaraz drugiego dnia rano, gdy bdzie to dopiero rodek imprezy. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Zachcam do przeczytania wierszyka, ktry zamieciem pod koniec tego tekstu. /ZUO/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ A po tym przydugim wstpie - czas na waciwe party-info. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ W dniach 1 i 2 czerwca 1996 roku odbdzie si w Warszawie party Amigowo-PeCetowe! Jest to ju trzecia edycja Staszic Compo, tym razem organizowana w formie party i na znacznie wiksza skal, ni w latach poprzednich (histori poprzednich edycji Staszic Compo mona znale na stronie WWW XIV L.O., adres: 'http:\\boss.staszic.waw.pl'). W tym roku spodziewamy si kilkuset przedstawicieli sceny amigowej i pecetowej. Przyjed i ty! XIV L.O. im. Stanisawa STASZICA ul. Nowowiejska 37a 02-010 WARSZAWA - Party odbdzie si w weekend. Uczestnikw zapraszamy od 8:00. Oficjalne rozpoczecie party o 10:00. Impreza bdzie trwa non-stop do 18:00 dnia nastpnego (a wic bdzie to party naprawd dwudniowe - w przeciwiestwie do wielu innych tego typu imprez). - Wstp na party - prawdopodobnie 15 z (150.000 s.z) - na pewno nie wicej. - Mona oczywicie przywie komputer (warto wzi rozdzielacz/przeduacz). - Osoby, ktre zamierzaj spa, musz same zaopatrzy si w piwory, koce itp. (my zapewniamy tylko "sleeping-room"). - Organizatorzy nie odpowiadaj za sprzt, czy inne rzeczy nalece do uczestnikw party. - Bdzie bogato wyposaony bufet. - Bdzie manga-room i game-room. - Dyskietki po compotach bd zwracane. - Odbdzie si masa konkursw... Konkursy podstawowe to: MUSIC COMPO (najprawdopodobniej rozbite na cztero- oraz wielo-kanaowe), GRAFIKA AUTORSKA (bitmapowe obrazki wlasne oraz raytracking itp.), TECHNIKA GRAFICZNA (przede wszystkim "przerysowywanki" cudzych obrazw), /powyszy podzia composw graficznych na konkurs autorski oraz techniczny jest eksperymentem (czy udanym - praktyka pokae); stwierdzilimy, e znacznie wiksza rnica w kryteriach oceniania istnieje midzy grafikami wasnymi i przerysowywanymi z cudzych dzie, ni midzy ray-tracingami (ktre s bd, co bd pracami autorskimi) i grafikami wasnymi/; ANIM & VHS-DEMO COMPO, INTRO COMPO (64 KB, 4 KB - dla AMIGI oraz dla PC), LAME-DEMO COMPO (dla pocztkujcych oraz dla rnych niewyytych amo-koderw lubicych tworzy produkcje w stylu wytworw LAMERSW, czy POLSKA BROTHERS) i oczywicie DEMO-COMPO (dla AMIGI oraz PC /osobno/). Oprcz tego odbd si konkursy poboczne (np. FAST MUSIC COMPO, MASTER BLASTER COMPO) oraz crazy-compos (rne mieszne konkurencje...). - Oto planowane deadline'y: - MUSIC 4-CH 14:00 MUSIC MULTI-CH 14:00 - !!! DEMO !!! 17:00 LAME DEMO 17:00 INTRO 4 K 17:00 - GRAFIKA TECH. 19:00 GRAFIKA AUT. 19:00 - INTRO 64 K 22:30 ANIM & VHS 22:30 - Wszystkie demo- i intro- compos bd rozgrywane osobno dla Amigi i PeCeta [patrz regulamin competitionw punkt 2.1] chyba, e liczba uczestnikw tych konkursw bdzie naprawd BARDZO maa, ale to chyba nie grozi. Wyjtek stanowi LAME-DEMO COMPO (wsplne dla PC i AMIGI). - Dojazd: jak trafi do Warszawy nie trzeba chyba tumaczy. Po "wyldowaniu" na dworcu Warszawa Centralna, naley uda si przejciem podziemnym, dotrze do przystanku tramwajowego (w kierunku Mokotowa). Jedzie si tak jak na Intel Outside Party, z tym, e naley wysi na drugim przystanku - przy skrzyowaniu Al. Niepodlegoci (przeduenie ulicy Chabiskiego, czyli tej, ktr jedziemy) z ul. Nowowiejsk. Tu skrcamy w prawo - w ul. Nowowiejsk, ale najpierw naley przej na jej drug stron. Std bd ju wyranie widoczne drogowskazy na party i kierujc si nimi nie sposb nie trafi... Oczywicie nie trzeba jecha z dworca tramwajem - party-place znajduje si par minut drogi piechot od Warszawy Centralnej. A oto mapka: . . . . .. . . || . . . . . . .. . . || . t#DWORZEC # . || . . . . .. . . || . a#WARSZAWA &&&&|| . . . . . . || . x#CENTRALNA# .&|| . . . . . . || . i########### .&|| . . . . . . || . ^.............&|| ........ ........... .................. || ........... ^ &|| ul. Chabiskiego || Al.Niepodl. ^==========T*=&++=*===*===*===*===*T==*===*===*===*===*=T===++============ ^..........&&&&&&&.^.................. ...............*.. || ........... | ^ . || &^&&**(pieszo)***^********************^******** | tu . l| .^ tu . . tu . || .* | wsi!. A| .| nie wysiada . u . wysi!. u| .* | . l| .| . l . . l| .* po tej . .| .| . . . . .| .*......... stronie . J| .tu jest charakte- . K . . N| .*......... dworca . e| .rystyczny wiadukt . o . . o| .* jest . r| .(przez cae . s . . w| .* postj . o| .skrzyzowanie . z . . o| .* taxi . z| .ul.Chabiskiego . y . . w| .*######### . o| .z Al.Jerozolimsk.). k . . i| .* . l| . . o . . e| .* PARTY . i| . . w . . j| .* - . m| . . a . . s| .* PLACE ! . s| . . . . k| .* . k| . . . . a| .**** . i| . . . . || .# . e| . . . . || .########## legenda: ........... < konturowe oznaczenie waniejszych ulic = , || , ++ < linie tramwajowe T < przystanki tramwajowe & < oznaczenie drogi przejciami podziemnymi * < oznaczenie drogi pieszo =*===*===*= < oznaczenie drogi tramwajem ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ = Regulamin competitionw = 1. Oficjalny WSTP do Regulaminu. Konkursy, ktre odbd si na "STASZIC - COMPO III" organizowane s z myl o ludziach, ktrzy potrafi wykorzystywa komputer TWRCZO . Rozgrywane s pod ktem takich dziedzin nauki i sztuki jak PROGRAMOWANIE, GRAFIKA, ANIMACJA, MUZYKA... Zapraszamy do udziau wszystkich, ktrzy uywaj komputera, jako nowego rodka wyrazu artystycznego. 1.1 Kniec oficjalnego WSTPU do Regulaminu. 2. Kwestie formalno-praktyczne... 2.1 Competitions: - AMIGA-DEMO - demo na AMIG; - PC-DEMO - demo na PC; - AMIGA-INTRO 64 KB - max. 64 kilobajtowe intro na AMIG; - PC-INTRO 64 KB - max. 64 kilobajtowe intro na PC; - AMIGA-INTRO 4 KB - max. 4 kilobajtowe intro na AMIG; - PC-INTRO 4 KB - max. 4 kilobajtowe intro na PC; - LAME-DEMO - demo na PC lub AMIG, raczej w jzyku wysokiego poziomu - mile widziane zaczenie kodu rdowego!; konkurencja stworzona z myl o pocztkujcych, tudzie jajcarzach i innych Lamesoftach...); - MUZYKA - muzyka komputerowa - raczej trackerowa; jeeli liczba uczestnikw bdzie wystarczajca oddzielimy moduy 4-kanaowe od wielokanaowych, wic odbd si wtedy 2 compa: 4-channel i multi-channel; - GRAFIKA AUTORSKA - ray-tracing, jak i rysowana rcznie, ale wasna, a nie przerysowywana np. z Borisa V.; - TECHNIKA GRAFICZNA - rysowana rcznie, przerysowanki dozwolone, skany zakazane; obowizkowe zaczenie kilku faz powstawania obrazka oraz podanie tytuu i autora oryginau; - ANIMACJA & VHS-DEMO - animacje albo pliki uruchamialne (mog by z dwikiem) lub dema na kasetach VHS (PAL). 2.2 Dostarczanie prac: bezporednio na party (pierwszy dead-line na pewno nie bdzie wczeniej, ni o godz. 12:50). 2.3 Kady uczestnik powinien potwierdzi autorstwo skadanej pracy doczajc do niej pisemne owiadczenie (jako takie owiadczenie bdziemy uznawa dowolny podpis, nawet tylko ten na dyskietce z prac). Podpisanie owiadczenia, jak i sam udzia w kompo jest rwnoznaczny z akceptacj ninejszych warunkw. Przypominamy, e dla GRAFIKI TECHNICZNEJ obowizkowe jest: podanie autora i tytuu oryginalu oraz zaczenie kilku faz powstawania obrazka! 2.4 Kadego z uczestnikw music-compo (4ch i multi-ch)), gfx-compo (autorskie i przerysowanki), anim&vhs-compo i lame-demo-compo prosimy o podanie typu posiadanego komputera (Amiga/PC/inny-jaki?). 3. Wymagania techniczne +inietylko+: - PC-DEMO, PC-64KB-INTRO, PC-4KB-INTRO - na PC 486 DX 33 Mhz (i szybszych) + SVGA + Gravis Ultra Sound, lub Sound Blaster, lub Covox, lub cISZA (PC-sPEAKER nie zalecany <= bez nagonienia = cisza); demo odpala si z twardysku, max. d. wersji wykonywalnej: 4 MB; intro 64 kb odpala sie z twardysku, max. dl. wer. wyk.: 64 KB; intro 4 kb odpala sie z twardysku, max. dl. wer. wyk.: 4 KB; - AMIGA-DEMO, AMIGA-64KB-INTRO, AMIGA-4KB-INTRO - musz dziaa na "goej" AMIDZE 1200 + HDD; demo odpala si z twardysku lub z dyskietek, max. d. wersji wykonywalnej: 4MB lub 5 dyskietek DD; intro - j.w., max. dl. wersji wyk.: odpowiednio 64 i 4 KB; - LAME-DEMO - musi dziaa na jednej z powyszych konfiguracji, max. d. 5 metrw :) preferowane jzyki wysokiego poziomu (np. Pascal, bASIC, AMOS, *.bat); - MUZYKA - formaty: 4-channel: tylko czterokanaowy MOD /"M.K."/ - za standard uznajemy amigowy ProTracker 2.xx; multi-channel: S3M, XM lub inny (ale wtedy trzeba zaczy program do odtwarzania na PC lub AMIG); uywanie sekwencji samplowanych z CUDZYCH utworw zabronine!; WASNE sekwencje - jak najbardziej dopuszczone!; - GRAFIKA AUTORSKA - formaty: IFF-ILBM, JPEG, GIF, PCX, BMP lub inne (ale wtedy trzeba zaczy program do wywietlenia na AMIG lub PC); - TECHNIKA GRAFICZNA - j.w.; skany zakazane!; - ANIMACJA - formaty FLI, FLC, MPEG lub inne (ale wtedy... /patrz wyej/); pliki wykonywalne - na AMIG lub PC ofcoz; - VHS-DEMO - na kastetach VHS. 4. W konkurencjach MUZYKA, GRAFIKA AUTORSKA i TECHNIKA GRAFICZNA mona odda max. po 1 (jednej) pracy. W pozostaych - dowolna ilo. 5. Zastrzegamy sobie prawo do rnych przekrtw typu: selekcja, rozdzielanie/czenie pokrewnych kategorii w zalenosci od liczby uczestnikw, przenoszenie za dugich DEM (max. dl. - patrz wyej) do kategorii ANIM & VHS, dyskwalifikacja w uzasadninych przypadkach (treci obsceniczne, faszystowskie, konie trojaskie, muzyka disco-polo :-) itp. itd. etc. ..... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ = Nagrody = Sponsor nagrd rzeczowych: Microsoft. Nagrody w compach pecetowych (pc-demo, pc-intro 64 kb, pc-intro 4 kb, multichannel-music, i cz konkurencji graficzno-animacyjnych): I miejsce - do wyboru jeden z pakietw: Windows NT Workstation, Windows 95, Visual Basic, Visual C++, 3D Movie Maker II miejsce: Windows 95 lub Visual Basic III miejsce: mysz Microsoft lub 3D Movie Maker Nagrody w compach amigowych: - gotwka (konkretne sumy na razie nie s ustalone, zaley to te od liczby uczestnikw i wysokoci wejciwki) Oraz we wszystkich compach: bonusowo - dla I, II i III miejsca komplet narzdzi do przegldania WWW i tworzenia wasnych home page. By moe bd, te, nagrody dodatkowe. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeszcze tylko osobisty komentarz od ZUO... Rozmawiajc z dzwonicymi do mnie partowiczami stwierdziem, e pewne kwestie stale si powtarzaj i postanowiem od razu napisa o tych najczciej poruszanych (przeze mnie i rozmwcw) problemach. Moe zaczn od tego, e na STASZIC-COMPO III nie bdzie zysku organizatorw. Nie po to organizuj party, eby zarobi. W ogle nie do tego przecie suy scena. Co do palenia - to raczej nie bdzie specjalnie wyznaczanych miejsc - zdajemy si na kultur palaczy - lepiej, eby robili to na korytarzach ni np. w kiblu, w kadym razie nie bdziemy z tego robi problemu. Gorsz spraw jest picie. Nie chcemy wprowadza zakazw, ale ostrzegamy - nie naley rzuca si w oczy pracownikom szkoy (w drugim skrzydle szkoy w sobot bd lekcje - wic apelujemy o nie wchodzenie w oczy z piciem rym nauczucielkom, czy innym dyrektorkom - na to nic nie poradz - sia wysza...). Tym, ktrzy twierdz, e w takich warunkach w ogle nie powinno si organizowa party odpowiem, e w takim razie bylibymy skazani na jedno Intel Outside (raz na rok), bo wszystkie inne parties odbywaj si w szkoach, gdzie dyrekcja nie patrzy przychylnie na picie alkocholu przez uczestnikw... No i oczywicie, jak kto zacznie robi demolk - bdziemy bezwzgldni. Jeli chodzi o innowacje w stosunku do innych tego typu imprez oraz inne sprawy, ktre naley jeszcze raz podkreli, przypominam o nastpujcych kwestiach: 1. O Duszym czasie trwania party (DO WIECZORA DRUGIEGO DNIA IMPREZY). Jeszcze raz apeluj: NIE UCIEKAJCIE JU DRUGIEGO DNIA RANO, GDY NIE MA SENSU WYJEDA W POOWIE PARTY! 2. W 4-kanaowym music-compo przyjmujemy tylko moduy protrackerowe (no i oczywicie noisetrackerowe/soundtrackerowe/whackertrackerowe itd. - po prostu pliki MOD) Wszelkie pliki typu S3M, XM, OctaMed, DigiBooster itd. lduj w wielokanaowym music-compo. Za standard w 4-kanaowym music-compo uznajemy ProTracker 2.xx. 3. W music-compos (4 ch. i multi-ch.) zamiast selekcji (paro-osobowa komisja nigdy nie jest obiektywna!) przeprowadzone zostan eliminacje publiczne. Po prostu compo odbdzie si w 2 etapach: * pierwszy etap - eliminacje: puszczone zostan wszystkie moduy (w caoci lub np. po 3 min. z kadego moduu) - etap ten przeprowadzony zostanie w kilku - nastpujcych w parogodzinnych odstpach (w midzyczasie odbywa si bd inne kompoty itp.) - turach (po 10-20 moduw kada - co by ludzie mogli usysze wszystkie utwory nie zasypiajc przy tym), przy czym po kadej turze punkty bd podliczane (kady partowicz otrzyma osobne votki dla wszystkich tur music-compo, oraz jedn votk do pozostaych kompotw); * drugi etap - czyli fina: puszczone zostanie 10-20 moduw, ktre w pierwszym etapie uzyskay najwiksz redni punktw. 4. W gfx-compo zamiast podziau na ray'e i rysowane jest podzia na: a) TECHNIK GRAFICZN czyli PRZERYSOWYWANKI (skany zakazane!, obowizkowe jest zaczenie paru faz powstawania obrazka, naley te poda autora i tytu oryginau /jeli to moliwe/) b) GRAFIK AUTORSK - musz by to dziea w 100 % wasne! (zarwno ray'e, jak i rysowane rcznie, a take formy porednie midzy tymi technikami). 5. Noniki, na ktrych uczestnicy dostarczaj prace na competitions bd zwracane. 6. Dema na Amiga-demo-compo MUSZ DA SI URUCHOMI na goej A1200 (procesor 020) z twardym dyskiem. Na compo prawdopodobnie uyjemy lepszego sprztu, ale zgodno z wymienion wyej konfiguracj bdzie sprawdzana. Chodzi o to, by dema z party mg sobie uruchomi kady scenowiec, a nie tylko bogatsi z koderw i ray-tracerw... 7. Wrd kompotw podstawowych nie zabraknie LAME-DEMO COMPO (gupie dema rulez!)!!! 8. Wrd konkursw pobocznych odbd si take takie, jakich jeszcze nigdy nie byo (a jakie?... - to ju na party!). 9. W przypadku tej imprezy liczenie gosw na ywo naprawd si odbdzie (nie tylko w zapowiedziach organizatorw). 10. arcie w bufecie bdzie jadalne !!! ;) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- PS. W razie jakichkolwiek wtpliwoci - mona si kontaktowa ze mn: ZUO / Euphoria PL, Funzine (amiga) & High Quality (pc) = Jan Kaliszewski tel. (0-22) 221-551 email: 'zuooffzn@boss.staszic.waw.pl' ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- O maych i d U Y C H przywarach polskich scenowiczw Moi drodzy Scenowcy! W irc'u powiedziano: Tylko frajer opuszcza kade party rano. Wyjedanie przed czasem - to si wrcz nie godzi! Przecie dotrwa do koca jumpy nie zaszkodzi. Tylko l A M E R - natomiast (mniej do miechu mi to) Kantuje scenowiczw (dla zyskw, ze sknerstwa? Z czystej zoliwoci?) - jeli on elit Jest jakow, to tylko - elit lamerstwa. /Micek Adamowicz/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ AMIGOWO-PECETOWE PARTY "STASZIC-COMPO III" - 1 i 2 CZERWCA 1996 ! Opracowali: ZUO of FUNZINe (amiga) & HiGH QUALiTY (pc), ILLEGAL of THE BLOOD BROTHERS STUDIO (pc), S.Laskus of Mizio Soft (pc). Podzikowania nale si wszystkim osobom, ktre konstruktywn krytyk przyczyniy si do uksztatowania tych warunkw. Fenks! Specjalne podzikowania l do XTD'a i Marsa - bez pomocy z ich strony losy tego party mogyby by nieciekawe... /ZUO/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ________________________________________________________________________________ [17] The following was grabbed from www.cucug.org the 26/5-96 01:00 --------------------------------------------------------------------- News Release / Open answer to Dave Haynie from Wolf Dietrich, General Manager phase 5 digital products, on May 25, 96 With interest I have read Dave's comments on the current Amiga situation. As we and the Amiga are in a situation where a lot of major decisions for the future of this system are to come, I would like to answer some of his comments to reflect our position and partial different view of things. First of all, there was no animosity on our part against AT - we just wanted to get things going, and so we started the PowerUP project in late 95 as AT wasn't giving any view or commitment. We had been offering AT all of our support for quite a long time, and continued to do so in a situation where there was no development, no resources, no vision; what Dave believes to be an animosity was simply the great concern that things wouldn't go into the right direction for the Amiga. Meanwhile, all development on AT side is cancelled, so there is no more cooperation as there is nothing left to cooperate in. But let's get into some technical considerations. First of all, Dave states that our software development is kind of a hack. Funny to hear that, as he has not seen a single line of code, and also was not involved in in-depth discussions about what we are doing. To simply state the facts: For our PowerUp program, which's goal is to develop PPC upgrade boards for existing Amiga systems, we have re-written Exec and Expansion in PPC Natice Code, and two versions of 68k emulators to run the rest of the OS out of the system ROM. This is not a kind of a hack, but simple the first step which we could realize. Our plan to add a PPC native version of CyberGraphX - which has emerged as a standard today - is just a software add-on to increase the performance of those upgraded systems where parts of the OS have to be emulated. This way is not very different from, for example, having a 68040 or a 68060 library to emulate in software what is different in the processor hardware - however, as 68k and PPC have some significant differences, it can not simply be realized by a library or a new setpatch, but needs a completely re- written, but fully function-compatible Exec. Now getting to the comments on the hardware design. First of all, I leave it up to the public to judge if our announced systems are overpriced (see http://www.phase.de/ in the news section); also the non-standard argument is missing any fundamental. I know from the technology meetings which AT, Motorola and phase5 joined in the recent months, that Dave's vision of a new computer is a standard PPRP mainboard, with a PPC CPU and a PCI bus and that's it; any idea of adding something specific which would have to be developed had been rejected by him in these discussions. But, all innovative developments today contain some individual parts, mostly in form of FPGAs or ASICs; it's the only way to build something that stands out of the mass markets. We at phase 5 definitely believe that a new Amiga system needs some unique H/W features as it had in the past; just having a ported OS running on a standard PPRP system which also runs MacOS, WindowsNT, and so on, would be the death of AmigaOS simple as there would be no sufficient reason for S/W developers to continue writing their code for Amiga OS. But even if Amiga OS would survive for some time with some application or shareware support, it would be the death of the Vision Amiga which never had been just another PC (no matter if there is a PPC or a Pentium inside). As Dave's comments on the rapid changes of the industry are concerned: We know these rapid changes, we live - succesfully - in this world. Are chips more complex to design today? Chips are more complex, but sophisticated design tools, powerful design workstations, and comprehensive functionality libraries are available today for ASIC designers. Today it's possible to start *VERY* complex designs on FPGA basis and go to the more expensive silicon in certain stages of the development. IC processes are *NOT* exponentially more expensive than some years ago, at least not for companies who want to do custom designs and get strongest support from various ASIC suppliers in the world, among them the very big names such as Motorola. Yes, even those big ones go together to build new fabs for the next millennium, but were we talking about building a next generation IC fab? As a summary of this, let me say the following: It has never been easier even for medium-sized companies to develop own, complex and demanding custom ICs than today. In such custom designs, visionary ideas can be realized cheaper than ever to provide extremely powerful products. Yes, by choosing *COMPLETELY* standard system (such as fully-assembled PPC mainboards) the cost of a system may be reduced by some bucks - but not by hundreds of Dollars. And that's what we, as we stated, don't want to do - dropping great concepts and features that make up a very special and powerful system to maybe save $25. OK, all practical bits aside, Dave came up with the question what will come out in the end. It's as simple as this: A computer that runs a PPC OS which is compatible with Amiga OS. Long before this computer comes out, *LOTS* of developers who have already joined the PowerUp program and are supported by us can prepare their software to make use of advanced features of this new OS, while other existing software will be running with the current features in 68k emulation. As most professional software vendors do support the PowerUp program, PPC native apps should be there in a considerable quantity and quality by next year - just as, for example, many software companies today already support the CyberGraphX standard which has brought an Amiga-OS compatible 24-bit engine to all these programs and those users who have a hardware that can display 24 bits of color. As a matter of fact, what we are doing is the development for a next generation OS which is Amiga compatible. We have decided to move on with our projects after we had lost months of futile discussions with AT - without those, beta developers today would have the first PPC developer boards in their hands. We can't afford to waste more time. We do see the problem that the Amiga community can't support multiple OSs, and we are absolutely open to discuss these issues with the owner of the OS, probably VIScorp, once they have time for us to talk about these things. However, Dave Haynie and the new company PIOS, which he is working for, must also keep this in mind. It's obviously PIOS, a new company, that starts out of nothing (and with no recognizable concept or development behing it) and claims for themselves to develop and market an OS "which will be recognized by the market as the next generation of the former AMIGA OS 3.1." (as read in their web site). This leaves a lot of questions open. We had meetings with the PIOS top management already, who requested our support and cooperation, so I must wonder whether Dave's comments are only given with an intention to support PIOS' position in the market. BTW, everybody out there may estimate if it is more realistic that an experienced hardware manufacturer, holding an established market position, develops a powerful custom ASIC based system, or that a startup company wants to bring the "ultimate Power Amiga" to life and reach a larger market share than Apple Computer in four years from now. phase 5 is very well aware that it will be a big and demanding task to write an Amiga-OS compatible PPC OS; however, we have a large team of very experienced S/W developers, and we have been working on parts of this project for quite some time. While I can not judge how much efforts other mentioned companies spent into their projects, we are sure to reach our goals with the strong efforts we invest into this project. To finalize my open answer, I must strictly reject that last comment from Dave, which we could see as an affront. We will neither adopt an unnamed OS nor will we offer an ugly hack; but much more important, we are not "stealing the AmigaOS", as Dave assumes. There are lots of peope out there, and companies which these people work for, who have been involved closely with Commodore or AT in the past, and do have access to proprietary information. We had several negotiations with AT, but no final agreements, and we never had any access to proprietary information or other proprietary stuff. Dave may address his assumptions that someone could steal the AmigaOS into the direction of such people mentioned above, but not into ours. Again, I strictly reject any statement that includes any such speculation. I hope this statement supports readers building up their own opinion of the current situation around the Amiga. phase 5 digital products, to reinforce this, is committed to the idea and vision Amiga. We'll continue with our project and support for all Amiga developers, fans and users. Everybody out there please feel free to mail us her/his comments and suggestions for the future of the Amiga and our project. Wolf Dietrich General Manager of phase 5 digital products Amiga-dedicated since the A1000 You can contact phase 5 digital products at: http://www.phase5.de mail@phase5.de aproject@phase5.de Fax +49 6171 583789 or by mail to the street address: phase 5 digital products In der Au 26 61440 Oberursel, Germany -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Grabbed by Jakob Langgaard / The APlayer Team --- Spot 1.3a Unregistered * Origin: Nnnnnnnnnnyyyyyyyuuuuuurrrrrrggggggghhhhh!' cried Ford (2:236/25.46) ________________________________________________________________________________ [18] Infosheet about PIOS computer AG ... just another company wanting to earn its pie out of the Amiga technology, or the definite successor to what C= and AT could have been? PIOS Computer News ================== PIOS Computer AG i.G. Happy Birthday! Wednesday, May 15, is a remarkable date in the history of computer consumer products. After the failure of ESCOM to revitalize the AMIGA, under the lead of former AMIGA-President Stefan Domeyer a brand new company was founded: PIOS Computer AG The shareholders explained their commitment to enter that riscy market and to create a successor for the AMIGA community. Dr. Klaus F. Bröker, an international well respected business lawyer, was elected as the Chairman of the Supervisory Board. After the first meeting of the Supervisory Board, Dr. Bröker stated: "This was the start of a new company, but if you add the experience and backround of all founders, PIOS will show it´s will to succeed very soon. We decided to enter the North American Market already in the initial phase. Together with our partners, Mr. Dave Haynie and Mr. Andy Finkel, we will found PIOS U.S. Incorporated within the next four weeks." The President and CEO, Mr. Stefan Domeyer, explained the goals of PIOS: I know exactly the reasons we failed with AMIGA. The only chance to keep it alive is a new start, without some burdens due to the history. I think, the key to success is simply to exceed our customers expectations on performance, quality and price. We must do it as fast, but as good as possible. So, we will form some strategic alliances with companies who have shown their capabilites in design." One of the initial shareholders is Mr. John Smith, who will leave AMIGA Technologies to build the UK operation of PIOS for Great Britain and all affiliated markets. John Smith said: "I want a new generation of Power PC´s, and I want to make it successful in UK!" (AMIGA is a registered trademark of Escom AG) PIOS Computer Profile ===================== PIOS Computer AG i.G. The PIOS Strategy The mission of PIOS is to become a reasonable player in the market for consumer computer products. The goal is to reach an overall market share in all countries PIOS goes into of 10 percent until the year 2000. PIOS as a company follows the strategy of developing and marketing PowerPC- based architectures, in strong competition to the Windows/Intel monopoly. This includes the development and distribution of a native operating system, which will be recognized by the market as the next generation of the former AMIGA OS 3.1. To provide a preemptive multitasking OS with quasi-real-time- behavior will be the biggest advantage of PIOS. PIOS recognizes it´s position as a start-up-company: small staff, small costs, small overhead. PIOS is heavily dependent on a good working relationship to it´s customers, vendors, design-partners, employees and shareholders. PIOS wants to become big in competence, sales, market-share and shareholder-value. (AMIGA is a registered trademark of Escom AG) PIOS Computer Staff =================== PIOS Computer AG i.G. The PIOS Team President & CEO Stefan Domeyer, born 1961, has studied Managerial Oeconomics with focus on Marketing. After the examination he took various jobs in the businesses of Advertising, Software-Development, Charted Accountants and Telecommunications. Before founding PIOS he was the president of AMIGA Technologies GmbH, in charge for Finance, R&D and Market Communication. He is married and has two children. Chief Operating Officer Geerd-Ulrich Ebeling, born 1963, was educated as an industrial businessman. A couple of years he worked for FUBA, a big german telecom company. The last 4 years he was the manager of finance & control of Ericsson Eurolab in Hildesheim. His last job was the same at Amiga Technologies. Chief Financial Officer Ernst-Dieter Schlapp, born 1950, is a german MBA and experienced in working as a chartered accountant. With deep knowledge in managerial oeconomics, finance and taxes, he was actually working as a consultant. General Manager UK & Affiliated Countries John Smith was for about 7 years the National Sales Manager of Commodore UK. He will be in charge for all selling and marketing activities in UK, India, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa. In all these countries he will represent the company in every respect, including press and software contacts. Project Manager Software Andy Finkel is President and CEO at an independent software company in Pennsylvania. In the previous years, he had a leading position in the Operating System Development of former Commodore Amiga, Westchester. In addition to the project of porting the OS to a native PPC OS, he will be acting as the president of PIOS US Inc. Project Manager Hardware David Haynie has studied electrical engineering at the Carnegie Mellon University. He is one of the „godfathers" of the Amiga architecture. At the time being, he is working as a Senior Hardware Engineer at SCALA. Dave Haynie will be in charge for all hardware design activities, in which he will play an active design part as well. Vice President Technology Ronald Coates is electrical engineer with about twenty years of experience in the computer industry: Tandem, PRIME, Honeywell, Compaq, Ericsson and AMIGA have been his working places. Ronald Coates will be in charge for the management of Technology, including the project management for joint R&D-projects. He will take care for production issues as well as Total Quality Management. Manager Support Mr. X (as of July, 1st) is well known in the AMIGA market. Already at Commodore he was in charge for Documentation and Support. He will do the same within PIOS, additionally he will maintain the Internet communication. He will participate in the design activities as well as to act as a communication bridge between PIOS R&D and third party developers. 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I HATE QUANTUM HARDDISKS !!!!!! YESTERDAY I BUILD IN MY NEW QUANTUM CAPELLA HARDDISK (2.2 GIG)..... I SWITCHED MY COMPUTER ON AND ALL ELECTRICITY OF MY ROOMINGS GONE. AFTER SWITCHING ON THE MAIN ELECTRICITY THE COMPUTER DIDN'T REACT ON SWITCHING THE POWER BUTTON ON AND OFF.... I GIVED MY COMPUTER TO OUR LOCAL REPAIR SERVICE AND HE MEANS, I FUCKED UP THE COMPLETE POWER-PART, THE SCSI CONTROLLER AND SOME OTHER CHIPS OF MY AMIGA 3000. THE REPAIR WILL COST OVER 300,- GERMAN MARKS. :-(( BUT I'M NOT ABLE TO LET DO THE REPAIRING AT THE MOMENT, OF COZ, NO MONEY. THE GERMAN TELECOM WANTS 850,- AND MY CAR NEEDS SOME NEW THINGS IMMEDIATLY SO I HAVE TO WAIT AT LEAST 1 MONTH BEFORE I HAVE THE MONEY TO REPAIR. BUT I'LL STAY ON AMIGA - I'LL NOT MOVE TO PC I WANTED SOME DAYS AGO, AMIGA IS THE FUTURE - NO OTHER MACHINE IS BETTER AND WORTH TO STAY ON IT! - KEEP DA AMIGA ALIVE! SYSOPS! DON'T DELETE MY ACCOUNTS - I'LL RETURN SOON AS POSSIBLE. SIGNED, PICARD, SYSOP PARADISE LOST. .___ ._ __. ._ : . __. _ __| \_| \ / _|_ __| \ __/\ | :/ |___ ___/ \_ _/__| / _ \_/ (_ \_/ _ \_/ _\| _/ ____/_/ ____| | \____/ [ | | _/ [ | / \_ \___ \__ ____)\ | | | | _ \_ | _/ / | / \_/ \_ __ | | | | | |____/ | | / | / /-=--=-\/-. | | l___| _| __| l___| _| ____/l____| _____/| _______/ | | | rBLl_/ l_/ l_/ l_/ l_/ l_/ | | | | | | __/\__ [·P·A·R·A·D·I·S·E·^·L·O·S·T·] | | | <-\ oô / | | | /_\/_\ ·» sUPREME wORLD hEADQUARTER «· | | | \/-> ·» dECISION eUROPEAN hEADQUARTER «· | | | . ·» oSIRIS eUROPEAN hEADQUARTER «· | | | __. . : ·» oUTLAWS gERMAN hEADQUARTER «· | | | .::::::. / |____: |___ ·» cRUX gERMAN hEADQUARTER «· | | |::::···::/ ____/__ ___/ ·» sCEPTIC gERMAN dIST.sIDE «· | | |::: :\___ \_| | ·» lSD gERMAN dIST.sIDE «· | | |::: ::| / | | | | \_..:::| /| | [nODE o1]·[28k8]·[+49-?]·[fASTLINE v.34] | | ______/::::·| _____/ | __| [nODE o2]·[64k0]·[+49-?]·[bSC iSDN x.75] | l_/ | l_/ l_/ [nODE o3]·[64k0]·[+49-?]·[bSC iSDN x.75] | | - - - -- -- --- --- ------ -- - - | | | | ·pICARD/hELLFiRE·dECiSiON·lSd·cRUX·sUPREME!·oSiRiS·oUTLAWS·sAD· | | ·cANNiBAL/hELLFiRE·cANNABiS·fLOOD!·dATA diViSiON· | | ·mOSH/dECiSiON·rEAL!· | | | `-=-> [aMIGA]·[cONSOLE]·[/X\]·[fAME]·[pORNO]·[h/P/A]·[cBM 64] <-=-' , m, ________________________________________________________________________________ [20] _________| |___________| | _____ .--| _ \ | | ___| _ \ |--| ./-+---. : | ___/_____|__| | ___/_____|___ | : | : !___ ___| |__|__| ___| ___|__|96 | : | | | | ___| | |--| ./-. : |--rETi--| |_____|__|--|__|_____|___ |---| ! |__| P r e s e n t s |__| ! . . ALL LEVEL CODES FOR XP8 : dONE bY rETi -=== XP8 : ALL Level CODES ===== by rETi/xCS/pTL ===========================- LEVEL 2 : 30204209031E LEVEL 3 : F220020B0625 LEVEL 4 : 3602022B0227 LEVEL 5 : D1925B094C13 ADDITIONAL COMMENT : UNPLAYABLE ! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ DON'T EXPECT TO GET MORE AND COOLER WEAPONS , THERE ARE ONLY 3 NEW WEAPONS IN LEVEL 4 : _ -A GUN SIMILAR TO THE "- -" WEAPON CALLED " - -" -A 4-WAY GUN -A GIANT LAZER ALL LEVELS WERE PLAYED IN "EASY" MODE WITH TRAINER ! LEVEL 2 : YIPPIE FINALLY SOME BUILDINGS !!! LEVEL 3 : SUCKS BECOZ THERE ARE NO NEW THINGS + IT'S DIFFICULT TO PLAY. LEVEL 4 : IS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME AS LEVEL 2 AND ... LEVEL 5 : THE LAST ONE ISN'T WORTH PLAYING... THE END-ANIMATION IS PRETTY CHEAP TOO , SO WHAT THOSE GUYS SAID ABOUT "A SHOOT 'M UP LIKE STARDUST WASN'T ENTIRELY TRUE!" , BUT HEY ... CHECK IT OUT FOR YOURSELF!!! BUGS : YEP ! ~~~~ OH YEAH , METAMORPHING DOESN'T WORK EVERY TIME ! BUG ! HOW IT'S DONE ... PLAYER 2 MUST BE ACTIVATED SO 2 PLAYERS ARE NEEDED ! PLACE BOTH SHIPS ON EACHOTHER AND PRESS THE SPACEBAR , NOW U SHOULD SEE A BIGGER SHIP WITH 2 WEAPONS ! I HAD TO PLAY LEVEL 4 ABOUT 3 TIMES TO GET THE LEVEL-5-CODE ! ARRGG SOMETHING HAPPENED WHEN I FINISHED THE LEVEL FOR (±90%) , AT THE END THERE ARE 2 CANONS ,(WHERE THE SCROLLING STOPS) BEFORE YOU KILL THEM YOU HAVE TO LET THEM FIRE ONCE , IF YA DON'T DO THAT THE GAME DOESN'T SCROLL ANYFURTHER AND YOU STAY ON YOUR POSITION (GAME-SCROLLING STOPS), BUT THE ENEMIES KEEP ON COMING ! SNIF ... rETi OUT ! ________________________________________________________________________________ [21] -------------------------------------------- ______ (-faz!) ______ ___/\________\ /_______________\_ /__ \ \ __ / \ /__ / ____/ \ _/ /__ \ _/_/ / /__/ / /__/ / / _\ / \ / /__/ \_\ /\____\_/ /_____\__ /__/ /___ /___ / <--\ __\----/___\-------\/--/___\--\/---\/-> \/ SEARCHING FOR sAME nEW MEMBERZ! -------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- .: |¡: _______ (-fAZ!) _______ . ______/\___________\ /__________:______/\___\_ /______:_ _ _\ \ __ / \_ / __ / _____/ _ \ _/ / __ /_ _/_/ _/ / /___/ \ / / /___/ / / / \ / /___/ / \ \___\ /\______\__/ /_______\______\__/ /_____ /_____ / / \/___/_____\_____/_/____\_______/______/_/____\____\/_____\/ / \ ____/ \____/ .:.+ \____/ \__/ \ / \/ \/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------- iS sEARCHiNG fOR sAME nEW mEMBERZ ! -------------------------------------------------------------------------- .-------------------------------------. | rENEGADE iS SEARCHiNG To : | | | |-------------------------------------| | * ......cODER`S | | * .....aRTiST`s | | * cOOL tRADER`s | | * ......cRACKER | | * tRAiNER mAKER | `-------------------------------------' wHEN yOU liKE tHIS cRoUP tHEN aSK RAMIS! ^ WORLD LEADER oR MERLIN! ^ GERMANY LEADER iN oNE oF THe bOARDS .... ____________________ \ / \ \ O / \ \ / \ \ / \ \ / \ \ / _____\ \ /_____ \ \ / / \ \__/ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / .-----------------------------\/-----------------------------. | ThE bOARDS oF rENEGADE! aRE | |------------------------------------------------------------| | bERLIN! | | | | eXTREME FaCToRY * WORLD LEADER HQ. * oNLINE aT fUTURE | | TERRoR dROME!.. * GERMAN LEADER HQ * +49 [0]30 pRIVAT | | TRADERS hEAVEN. * GERMAN HQ....... * +49 [0]30 pRIVAT | | | | mANY mORE oF ALL oVER THE WORLD!! :) | | | `------------------------------------------------------------' .: |¡: _______ (-fAZ!) _______ . ______/\___________\ /__________:______/\___\_ /______:_ _ _\ \ __ / \_ / __ / _____/ _ \ _/ / __ /_ _/_/ _/ / /___/ \ / / /___/ / / / \ / /___/ / \ \___\ /\______\__/ /_______\______\__/ /_____ /_____ / / \/___/_____\_____/_/____\_______/______/_/____\____\/_____\/ / \ ____/ \____/ .:.+ \____/ \__/ \ / \/ \/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------- PS: WERE iS THE CODER oF tHE bLACK vIPER TRAINER !?!?! PLEASE SEND ME THIS lITTEL pROGGI :) I WILL FUN!!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________ [22] .p. ____ __ ___ ___ ____ (_ V \ ____ (___) | tHe mOSt / __ \ | )___ \| | | cOMPLEte ( ____)_| V | __ ) | | e-MAiL LiSt \_____(_)___!___!_____!___!___| of SCENERs .c .o .m .p .i .l .a .t .i .o .n [may'96] +-----[ mORE tHAN 560 addresses now ]------+ _________________________________________________________________ _____ ___ ____ ____ _____ (_. V. \ ______ (____). | / __ \ |. )____ \ |. |. | .--|: _____)--|: V. |. ___ \|: |: |---------------------------------. | l:. \ _|: |: |:. ): |: | .--------. | |.p.\_______(_)____!____!________!____!____|____ __ ____ ___ __ | Vol. 5 | | | / __) . \( " ( . \___) |(___ |_ _|__) . \ ` \ `--------' | | (. ) | ). Y |. ' /. |. |/.__ |. |. |. | ) . ) | `---\____/____/|___|___|___||___|___(______|___|___|____/___!___|------------' SCENERS's E-MAIL ADDRESSES (may) based on the list: - from http://www.xs4all.nl/~blahh and the one created by Cesium / Session - last update: 14-APR-96 tHe lIST was EXPANDED by lORD / aBSoLuTe!^iMPuLSe^CJ on 23-MAY-96 MANY MANY thanks to: - Cesium / Session who helped me to collect addresses - I-GO for his latest RAW e-mail collection and for those lot of new e-mails (more than 50!) and corrections - Pirlaga for the front and file_id.diz asciis - and TO ALL OF YOU WHO SUPPORTED ME WITH E-MAILS! - BIG KISS to Monica, to the meaning of my life! if your e-mail address is not here or has changed, contact me on lord@goliat.eik.bme.hu (special thanks to Astro, I-go and Cesium for the base lists) Compared to the last update: 128 new e-mails added and some has changed. Now, altogether 562 scener is included in this list I want to release an updated list each month, so, I NEED YOUR SUPPORT! PS: if you send new e-mails to Cesium's address, they'll be forwarded to me, too... thanks Cesium! PS2: Sorry for late with this issue, but the PPP connection of the uni's modem server damaged, and because of examtime all the classrooms are disconnected from the net now and i could have used simple consoles only (this means a monitor and keyboard - without ctrl esc, ins etc. keys!) So, there WAS (and there IS yet as well!) no way to send mails through the net! Sorry. The uni is closed during the summer and the PPP connection doesn't work yet either, thus i don't know when i can put together a new collection again ;( _________________________________________________________________ 243 - Absolute! * Royal * Nut'n'bolt sygma@ww.ats.com.au A's - Sway robert.pohl@mailbox.swipnet.se A-Freak - InterActive a-freak@hysteria.dssd.sub.org Acid - Alpha Flight & Grotesticle acid@norconnect.no Aerosoul pete@rhein-neckar.netsurf.de Act - Outlaws johanvdb@innet.be Arctangent - ex ACC arctngnt@mcs.net Archmage - Andromeda hr101@york.ac.uk Akiro - Scoopex + Vanity + DCS akiro@kontu.bbs.fi Alias - Scoopex cdcurry@diku.dk Alien - Vd of FLT sami.arola@utu.fi Allah - Parallax, LSD, Insane, Damage, Fresh allas@lyseo.otol.fi Allanon - Depth 2eka5@meldal.vgs.no Alta - ex-Rbs, ex-Tsl carl@funcom.com Andraax The Mad - DarkSide oivinds@studserv.osir.hihm.no Andy - Banal Projects andy@kauhajoki.fi or ankujanp@freenet.hut.fi Anorganic - Promise deutschg@rs3.szif.hu Anthony - Axis anthony.donker@tip.nl Antibyte - Scoopex e9225794@stud1.tuwien.ac.at Antibrain - Bizarre Arts antibrain@people-x.people.de Argon - Extend tastikai@kruuna.helsinki.fi Array blok@cs.vu.nl Artifex - Complex henrijl@evitech.fi or complex@hut.fi Aryan - Dive dcm216@public.decam.se Astro - CNCD, Movement, Virtual Dreams, Lemon. cvschie@xs4all.nl Atheist - Balance, RamJam excel.atheist@mailbox.hogia.net Atx - Anarchy (PC), Shock, Mfc, Label0 pszi@e-franka.isk.huninet.hu Axe - Nerve Axis danaxe@danaxe.tcp.co.uk Axl - ex Polaris tsehtl@deh.srce.hr Azazel - TBL azazel@orion.boden.se Azure - Artwork & Bizarre Arts Azure@people-x.people.de Babbage babbage@babnet.foobar.co.uk or babbage@dmu.ac.uk Baby - Mad Elks FG@ETCA.FR Baffle! - Honey & Abuse & SidCrew & Grotesticle torst@ifi.uio.no Bandog - Parallax tommiih@evitech.fi Bannasoft - Melon johan@daimi.aau.dk Big-Rat - Ethic bigrat@fub46.zedat.fu-berlin.de bILLY - mYSTIC^cORRUPT! billy@algotech.telbank.pl Bjorn a. Lynne bjorn@team17.demon.co.uk Blade - Bomb Squad blade@icon.fi or naked_sun@anon.penet.fi Blast - Energy blast@sik.ppoy.fi Blitter - X-Trade thomas.froelich@uibk.ac.at or blitter@pc23-c801.uibk.ac.at Blue Water - Parallax sininen@xgw5.xgw.fi Bobo - Mystic bobo@everyday.se Boogeyman - Passion dm95126@dec51.tietgen.dk Boogeyman - Gigatron daniel@sirius.medio.mh.se Boheme - Bomb Squad^Style!^Euphoria^Abuse asjohans@helsinki.fi or boheme@zumzum.tky.hut.fi Braindead - Scoopex braindead@tombstone.fipnet.fi Brooker - HMC halloran@sci.muni.cz Byter - ex-RamJam henryp@dircon.co.uk Caffeine caffeine@charm.net Cantona - Balance & United evesthei@sn.no Case - CnCd mphuhtam@kruuna.helsinki.fi Celebrandil - Phenomena celle@aristotle.algonet.se or marten_bjorkman@mentorg.com Cesium - Session fe@stud.hivolda.no Chaos chaos@blackbox.shnet.org Chaos - Facet's Pussy/Desire chaos@bactower.berlinet.de Chaotic - ATLANTIS/[N*P] chaotic@online.fire.dbn.dinet.com or CHAOTIC@BLACKBOX.shnet.org Chip - Powerline chip@toaster.joy.se Chris - ex-NorthStar chris@speed.eik.bme.hu Christopher - Scoopex (DK) cdcurry@diku.dk Chrombacher - Obscene jcn93@elev.vasa.se Chucky - Virtual chucky@kd.qd.se Citruz - Royal citruz.daniel@mbox200.swipnet.se Cluster - Insane cluster@canit.se Cobra - Maniacs S.J.Atkinson@plymouth.ac.uk Codex - Extend terop@modeemi.cs.tut.fi Codex - Steroid homay@ludens.elte.hu Colorbird - ex-Razor1911 Johan@Funcom.no Conan&Newton - Rebels/Kingdom nclarke@datashopper.dk Control - Trsi anweyert@jurs1.jura.uni-osnabrueck.de Cool T.J - Sapphire thomas.johnsrud@intermedia.bbs.no Cork - Poro Productions cork@freenet.hut.fi Conqueror - C^Z e5peter@etek.chalmers.se Count Zero - Damage count@phoenix.oulu.fi Crash - Nerve Axis crash@crash.tcp.co.uk Crash - Polka Brothers CrashPolka@aol.com or Crash@Blackbox.shnet.org Crashlander - Tex crashlander@fact.rhein-ruhr.de Creon - Contortion bkamn95@tufvan.hv.se Crew^one - Myth pilon@cs.utwente.nl Crom - Extend crom@freenet.hut.fi Croquik - Dreamdealers clevy@ie2.u-psud.fr Cubik - Beam knolsen@telepost.no Cueball - Ethic 101353.3634@compuserve.com Cyber Pirate - ex-Cytax,ex-PMC godwind@mbox.vol.it Cybersonik - Alcatraz n.goossens@cws.rulimburg.nl Cyberstarr - Ephidrena cyberstarr@east.no Cyclone - Illusion cyclone@glenz.prima.ruhr.de Cygnus - Solo samk@clark.net d-fekt - Destiny and Twilight erik.drakenberg@voxnadalen.ovanaker.se d-Orb - Sepultura j.l.gomez-dans@sheffield.ac.uk Da Jormas jormas@trancentral.slip.jyu.fi Dab - Promise szitask@rs3.szif.hu or dab@dlux.sch.bme.hu Dan - Lemon. dan@nlights.demon.co.uk Daeron - Stellar alaukka@voimax.voima.jkl.fi Dalamar - DreamCharts Ed, Cor Scand leader dalamar@mailbox.sh.hik.se Damion - Artwork * Generation ed * damion@paradise.fire.dbn.dinet.com Danaxe - Nerve Axis danaxe@danaxe.tcp.co.uk Dansken - Access dansken@sdf.luth.se Danzig - Arclite ib94_pjo@isk.kth.se Dark - DCS & Anarchy t.l.mcgrath@herts.ac.uk Dark Angel - 976 Ev!l T.R.Stubbs-94@student.lut.ac.uk Darkman - Triumph nilsco@ifi.uio.no DDT - Accession lennu@cute.fi Debug - Parallax jussis@sci.fi Decca - Lego decca@people-x.people.de or decca@aol.com Deck - Scoopex deck@freenet.hut.fi Decoder - Widespread and Maniacs p.nilsen@warlord.bbs.no Deadbeat - The Sharks deadbeat@iwn.fi or deadbeat@freenet.hut.fi Decoy - Banana Dezign stianol@ifi.uio.no Decoy - Passion dat95b10@mini01.vejlees.dk Del - Lemon del@nlights.demon.co.uk Deluxe deluxe@tnp.com Dep - dFX dep@canit.se Der Hm - Complex msaline@vipunen.hut.fi or complex@hut.fi Destop - CNCD destop@hybrid.org or Destop@hybrid.kaapeli.fi or Destop@satumaa.l16.www.fi Detector - Artwork hol_luem@bielefeld.netsurf.de Dexter - Abyss 100.17637@germanynet.de or m.wodok@link-m.muc.de Diablo - Myth, Roadhogz, Vsg, Acc diablonl@xs4all.nl Diesel8 - Razor 1911 s94matjo@und.ida.liu.se Dip - Lustrones mdipieri@dsi.unive.it Dire - Eremation nicolai@cip1.ikp.uni-bonn.de Disney - ex-Alcatraz & Sanity farin@sbox.tu-graz.ac.at Dizzy - CNCD kujanpaa@kruuna.helsinki.fi or jtkujanp@itu.cc.jyu.fi Djiby - Nova desnoues@email.enst.fr Dodger - Essence dodger@canta.gun.de Dominator - Corrosion domin8r@galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu or domin8r@crshq.crsn.com Dope - Spaceballs ux006940@tfarn.nl Dozig - Damage dozig@otitsun.oulu.fi Dr.Acid - Extend dracid@freenet.hut.fi Dr.Awesome - Crusaders bjorn@team17.com Dr.Ice - Lisence kaarej@barentsnett.no Dr.Jekyll - Andromeda svik@adh.no Dr.Outtasight - Crusaders espen.lyngaas@team17.com Dr.Robotnik - Movement u950318@daimi.aau.dk Dr.Skull - Virtual Dreams skull@freenet.hut.fi or skull@icon.fi Dragon - Incal dragon@sml.insider.sub.de Dreamer - Independent dreamer@zumzum.tky.hut.fi Dreamweaver - Aurora dreamer@aristotle.algonet.se Droid - 2000 A.D. christ@apollo.roskildees.dk D.s.x Design - Trsi dsx@ger.com Duce - Extend duce@vskol.fi Duncan - Damones chili@freenet.hut.fi Dutchie - Chaos D-Sign marioh@fwi.uva.nl Dweezil - Complex(PC) and CNCD marks@evitech.fi Easy Rider - Mystic abfri@blue.maloka.waw.pl Echo - Lsd echo@stevect.demon.co.uk Echo - Fci sq3dzk@ampr-gate.netvision.net.il or sq3dzk@gw.ab6qv.ampr.org Ed - Exotic Men trinne@cs.joensuu.fi Electric - Extend electric@freenet.hut.fi Elf - Banana Dezign al33572@labs1.cc.etf.hr Emphyrio - New Order emphyrio.neworder@tip.nl Encore - Spoon richard.ehlers@star.ct.se Equalizer - The Black Lotus d94dha@tex9.hfb.se Ern0 - Absolute! zalkae@rs3.szif.hu Eracore - Rebels and Suburban ek@academy.bastad.se Estrayk - Capsule calamo@ctv.es Evrimson - Illusion evrimsson@teucom.xnc.com Exalt - Antic Exalt@nevermind.ct.se Excel - Balance, Crux excel.atheist@mailbox.hogia.net Exodus - Ott se2pt@dmu.ac.uk Explorer - Three Little Elks ts@olympia.ct.se Facet - Lemon. + TBL martijn.vanmeel@student-kmt.hku.nl Fary - Intensity bagj@labor.obuda.kando.hu Fashion - Ram Jam fashion@fishtwn2.han.de or l11e@alf.zfn.uni-bremen.de Fate - 100% fxmts205@rz.uni-frankfurt.de Fester - Absolute! hallo1723@osiris.elte.hu Fish - Lsd fish@stevect.demon.co.uk Flake - TRSi 96 msch0091@rz.uni-hildesheim.de Flame - Pygmy Projects flame@stekt.oulu.fi Flex - Frame 18 kopacsi@rs3.szif.hu Fli7e - Sceptic^Haujobb^N-Joy^Contra fli7e@liteline.mcnet.de Floppy Robby - Royal ^ Eurotraders robbyfun@xs4all.nl Flynn - Energy c950158@zipi.fi.upm.es Fourth Horseman bhslrc@mcs.com Fotze - Damones tatiala@ratol.fi Fraction - CNCD jhuuskone@snakemail.hut.fi Frame - Zymosis frame@direktor.voima.jkl.fi Franky - Purple Turtle Peter.Smets@ping.be Freecaller - Royal oleg.khimich@bbs.tenet.odessa.ua Funky - Haujobb funky@hhouse.owl.de Fuzz - Trsi fuzz@norconnect.no Fuzzy - Death Row fzy@hoa.ping.dk g.d.m - Looker House gdm@redline.ru Gandalf - Phantasm gandalf@blackbox.shnet.org or iukfs@tu-harburg.d400.de Ganja - Nerve Axis^Abuse slice@xgw.fi Gargoyle - Polka Brothers amor@funcom.com Gerdin - Ctrl H k152351@proffa.cc.tut.fi Gizmo - TBL d95mha@t.hfb.se Godfather - FUN ah765@freenet.hamilton.on.ca Grace - Illusion grace@cs.Tu-Berlin.de Green-Beret - Mystic, SAD fpirl@iol.ie Greenhouse - Excel grnhouse@pi.net Groo - CNCD groo@freenet.hut.fi Guille - Syndrome guille@nucleus.fr Guru - Sahara Surfers p153737@cc.tut.fi Haralampie - Gilette haralamp@osmeh.fon.bg.ac.yu Hardbyte - Mystic hardbyte@xs4all.nl Haze - Epsilon jdm@europa.com HeatBeat - CNCD aamikkon@freenet.hut.fi Heikki Pora pora@lut.fi Hellraiser - FUN u9408669@muss.cis.mcmaster.ca Hexorcist - Almagest sherberg@norconnect.no Hijack - Parallax & Arclite & Insane rt3097@bessel.tutech.fi Hilander - Euphoria alex@nexus.net Hoffi - Quartex+Damones+Palace hoffi@dream.imagew.fi Hollywood - Axis + Valhalla (PC) s.m.carless@dur.ac.uk Hoot - Duplo oskar@academy.bastad.se Hornet - Alcatraz amalek@di.epfl.ch HotWire - Twisted dmurphy@Dcandy.demon.co.uk Howard - Mental Diseases havard@mail.stud.ingok.hitos.no Hst-Bullah - HDC sysop tphst@bsd.rotol.fi Humanoid - Embassy apjhamal@cc.helsinki.fi Hybris - Beam tkvam@infolink.no Hydra - Andromeda okarlsen@krs.hia.no Hydra - Insane & DD author hydra@freenet.hut.fi or hydra@pato.vaala.fi Hydra - LSD dominicc@macmillan.co.uk I-GO - TBL^Raw staff blahh@xs4all.nl or I-GO@pi.net or blahh@pi.net Illuminator - Accession illu@cute.fi Illusion - Dylem & Accession illusion@logic.helvetica.ch Immortal - Freezers geszymcz@cyf-kr.edu.pl Index - Stellar aijas@paju.oulu.fi Indian - Tribal kivi@cd.chalmers.s Infant - Session & New Age kvds@pi.net Infusion - Corrosion inf@eunet.yu Interphase interphase@universal.nl Insider - Defekt insider@spybox.shnet.org or stoetzer@rz.uni-ilmenau.de Inqu - Stellar alehtine@lut.fi Intruder - Myth af666@freenet.hsc.colorado.edu Inu-pappa - Inu-Soft inupap@freenet.hut.fi Invoker - Maniacs jannilse@stud.unit.no or http://www.stud.unit.no/~jannilse/ Isaac - Banana Dezign isaac@redleaf.bbs.no Iso - Axis christiaan.unck@student-kmt.hku.nl It - Independent sindre@sn.no Izi - Impact izi@hoa.ping.dk Jack - Mirage pullens@cs.utwente.nl Jaguar Speed - Ultra Sonix^Intensity cyberwlf@wr.com.au Jah - Gigatron kp95nks@kp.hgs.se Jam & Spoon - Nerve Axis kristjs@rhi.hi.is James - Ubn^Bomb Squad jgrondah@cc.hut.fi or Jan.Grondahl@hut.fi Jazz - Haujobb jazz@haujobb.dinet.de Jean - ex-Chromance, ex-s!p/trsi, ex-scx, Abs! jean@labor.obuda.kando.hu Jedi - Hoodlum, Rebels, SWAT, Shape hanspet@oslonett.no Jesse - TBL d94jenan@knatte.ostrabo.uddevalla.se Jester - Pygmy Projects tripp@uni-muenster.de JHL - Complex jhl@niksula.hut.fi or complex@hut.fi Jmagic - Complex japehe@kanto.cc.jyu.fi Jobbo - Spaceballs 9361441j@udcf.gla.ac.uk Johnny Turbo - Digital Access John.Bus@syd.dcet.csiro.au Johnpeel - Desire sjalo@138ppc20.tutech.fi or j153545@proffac.tut.fi Joker - Tulou Petter_Wallin@nhs.se Jon - Crimson Jihad simon@tancs.isk.huninet.hu Jormas Fan Club jormas@slip.jyu.fi Jozz - DCS O.Doughty@plymouth.ac.uk Jugi - Complex jusaka@jyu.fi Juliet - CnCd jtrasane@vipunen.hut.fi Justin Case - Session kdj@sn.no Kalikone - Dylem alain@logic.helvetica.ch Kaneda - Grasshopper airlier@gcal.ac.uk Karpow - Scoopex karpow@kauhajoki.fi Kata - Balance jgr@doc.ic.ac.uk Ken - The Black Lotus ec94keek@vdg.malung.se Kerberos - Virtual Dreams Kerberos@Icon.Fi Killit - Void/Cybertek j.smith@shu.ac.uk Killjoy - Banana Dezign roya@rol.bbs.no Killraven - Mystic klr@xs4all.nl Kingpin - Spaceballs kingpin@sn.no Klorathy - Ram Jam martin@etxkm.ericsson.se Knight - Extend y93smimi@it2.kotakk.fi Korbatz - Venture venture@felix.univ.szczecin.pl Krion - Cydonia krion@wr.com.au Kris - Rebels kris@young.ege.edu.tr Kryl - MIB simonl@paragon.co.uk Kryptonite - Inhumans krave@ihug.co.nz Kube - CNCD kube@cute.fi Lawnmover man - Mystic lawnmower_man@hardbox.gun.de Leeroy - ex-Prestige leer0y@pobox.com Legend - Parallax legend@tolsun.oulu.fi or legend@avalon.merikoski.fi Leo II - The Dark Demon 5Rahn@Informatik.uni-hamurg.de Lithium - Eltech lithium@eltnet.demon.co.uk Lizard - TBL, Spaceballs Lizard@netpower.no or magnar@hsr.no or lizard@bigblue.no Lizardking - Razor 1911 & Triton (PC) lizardking@triton.cs.se Looby - Insane andersw@canit.se Lord - Absolute!, Impulse, CrimsonJihad lord@goliat.eik.bme.hu or lord@teglagyari-megallo.obuda.kando.hu Lord Helmet - Spaceballs boerge@gribb.hsr.no Louise - Amiga Only louise@bmah.afh.b-m.hu Lowlife - Axis angelo.bod@tip.nl Lawnmower Man - Mystic lawnmower_man@hardbox.gun.de Loy - Crimson Jihad loy@goliat.eik.bme.hu Lunkwill - Hysteric postmaster@sweetdreams.lahn.de Mac - Stellar kikkis@klinja.fipnet.fi or mikoivis@eden.fipnet.fi Macno - Abnormalia macno@sarc.shiny.it Madbart - Appendix 2:481/22.10-fidonet and 52:4800/3.7-globalnet Mad Druid - Powerline druid.powerline@goteborg.mail.telia.com Magic - Nah-Kolor^Applause v922420@si.hhs.nl Majkel - Venture czebotar@beta.ii.tuniv.szczecin.pl or maykel@felix.univ.szczecin.pl Maksiu - Venture maksiu@safona.mech.tuniv.szczecin.pl Mars - NahKolor & Mystic mars@panda.bg.univ.gda.pl or mars@superlink.net Marwic - Craze ^ Equinox ^ Flying Cows marwic@mailbox.kdtnet.se Marx - Insane marx@canit.se MaTT - ex-Scandal T.Ernst@ping.de Maverick - Independent bizzetti@mbox.vol.it Maw weichsel@uniwa.uwa.edu.au Max Headroom - Tex maxheadroom@hysteria.dssd.sub.org or s.pucino@fact.rhein-ruhr.de Maxime - TheSpookyFellows max@ing.univaq.it Meegosh - The Movement jkavalef@alpha.hut.fi or jkavalef@delta.hut.fi Melan - Astroidea * Scenest'96 party * melan@hungary.net or melan@dlux.sch.bme.hu Meltdown - Delon. homay@ludens.elte.hu Mentor - R.N.O mentor@dcandy.demon.co.uk Mercenary - Extend jsiitone@niksula.hut.fi Merlin - Sonik mikkokn@evitech.fi Meson - Nerve Axis gary@batesg.demon.co.uk Metal - Insane metal@canit.se Metal - Parallax stschuma@freenet.hut.fi Metal Maniac - Dcs (C64) etxmaip@acat10.ericsson.se or etxmaip@nrk.ericsson.se or mm@algonet.se Mfn - Facet's Pussy/Dsr, Smb!, s!k hansfl@powertech.no Mic Flair - Eltech^Aquarius mICfLAiR@dcandy.demon.co.uk Mickey - Puzzle mickey@dk-online.dk MicroPal - Alcatraz werner@uit-or3.unit.no Mike - Dcs mikael.koark@mailbox.swipnet.se Mike - Mystic mikaila@freenet.hut.fi or mike@sik.ppoy.fi Mindshadow - Foundation msd@p9.nevermind.ct.se Mir - Beam per.lindahl@mbox2.swipnet.se Mistral - Parallax sima@mimas.otol.fi Mjm MJM@dcandy.demon.co.uk Moby - Sanity + NoOon (PC) dumas@enserb.ubordeaux.fr or fmotte@mindscape.com MoOd - Limited Edition moOd@abc.se MOP - Essence, ROM mop@maltanet.omnes.net Motion - Balance lund@hoa.ping.dk Motiv8 svenworm@europeonline.com Mount - Polka Bros. Tage.Majland@djh.dk Mr.C - Almagesy fhaugen@norconnect.no Mr.Hyde - Andromeda slunoe-n@adh.no or sverrelu@ifi.uio.no or slunoe-n@krs.hiagder.no Mr.Pixel - Impulse pixel@bme.zpok.hu Mr.Spiv - Complex jikorhon@cc.helsinki.fi MSK - Tragedy keyngnae@CS.kuleuven.ac.be Muad'Dib - Mystic/Royal/Invasion/Crazy^Acid muaddib@xs4all.nl Mub - LSD mub@stevect.demon.co.uk Mucsi - Muffbusters peter@netwizards.net Murk - Sonik Clique an942400@shsibm.shh.fi Musashi - Union ^ Absolute! gwroblew@panamint.ict.pwr.wroc.pl Mystra - Technology Kpeders@krs.hia.no Napoleon - ex-Dreamdealers earnaud@club-internet.fr Nemesis1 aaj@itn.is Nemo - Factor sp94kask@egy.engelholm.se Neurodancer - Abyss neurodancer@another.gun.de Nexus - Magic c93torni@und.ida.liu.se Noah - ex-Lemon. morten@funcom.no Nik - Axis njh@ukc.ac.uk Nimrod - Raw Staff sk@nvg.unit.no Noname - Talent pallo@pvv.ntnu.no Nose - Stellar jsaarinen@kone.fipnet.fi Nosferatu - Offence geirsk@ifi.uio.no Obligator - Dcs mkolsi@lut.fi Offa - TBL d94m@blg.du.se Odie - X-Trade ei944@el.haninge.kth.se Orbis - Extend pora@lut.fi Orc - Destination Zero PILAT@frpdnov.utcpd.sk Oriens - Les Shadock kohlerc@esiee.fr Oriol osp@tinet.fut.es Orlingo - Divine Stylers^Stoer & Nuttenlos orlingo@trans.xs4all.nl Otis - Dream4 Music perseus@xs4all.nl pAIThAN - dEPTh^SIDcREW paithan@interlink.no Papaj g.taffi@fastnet.it Parsec - BioSynthetic Design / Abnostaff parsec@linux.infosquare.it Patko - Reality hrvoje.zlatar@public.srce.hr Patrician - The Jormas tphst@bsd.rotol.fi Pazza - Lsd pazza@stevect.demon.co.uk Peace bruehwilers@ubaclu.unibas.ch Peachy - Masque + !Haujobb! peachy@inf-ga.uni-paderborn.de Pearl - Passion serup@rg.dk Perplex - Offence larshaug@ifi.uio.no Petroff - Absolute! ecobit@mail.datanet.hu Phideaux! - SRH greatsargon@delphi.com Philipp Geiser - Flt, Myth, Royal, Dylem pgeiser@uniplus.ch Phonetic - Puzzle phonetic@sousa.dk-online.dk Pink - Abyss Manfred.Linzner@munich.netsurf.de Pirat - Phase Distrortion pirat@axent.paradise.sub.org Pirlaga - Independent pirlaga@ermes.it Pogi - Crimson Jihad pogi@goliat.eik.bme.hu Poko - Lamer Crew plosz@agy.bgytf.hu Porsche - ex-Nukebusters paulowen&ihug.co.nz Posdnuos - TheSpookyFellows argati@univaq.it Pot-Noodle - Anthrox leo.davidson@keble.oxford.ac.uk Powdihacker - Ambrosia 2:238/53.9@fidonet Pride - Talent (PC), Twisted PRIDE@dk-online.dk Prime Premium - CNCD prime@dream.imagew.fi Probe - VD of Fairlight probe@academy.bastad.se Prophet - Wizzcat prophet@wizzcat.prima.ruhr.de or jgeorg00@marvin.informatik.uni-dortmund.de Proton - Complex proton@kontu.bbs.fi or complex@hut.fi Psionic - Steps of Change tmascord@mail.telecall.co.uk Psycho - The Black Lotus ec93erda@bergslagsskolan.karlskoga.se Psycho - X-Trade, Impulse, Honey, Thg psycho@syscon.co.at Puzzle puzzle@mailhost.net Pyth0n - ex-TPDL jacekska@zeus.polsl.gliwice.pl Qen - Honey qen@uno.canit.se Quido - Crazy Boys xzidek01@pal.fee.vutbr.cz RaatoMestari - The Jormas raato@direktor.voima.jkl.fi Rachy - BioHazard rachy@fsd.bdtf.hu Rack - Absolute! zalkae@rs3.szif.hu Radavi - Effect radavi@xs4all.nl Rag - Dive di94rgu@pt.hk-r.se Rahiem - Essence, R.O.M rahiem@essence.dinet.de Rainbow - Chromance rainbow@bull.jozsef.kando.hu or sygma@bull.jozsef.kando.hu Ralph - Spectre slundoe@krs.hia.no Ranx - Balance dag@odin.funcom.no Rasta - Ultra Sonix rasta@paradise.worldlink.com.au Ratleto - SIDcREW toratle@hai.hiMolde.no Ratman ratman@alpha1.obuda.kando.hu RazorBlade - Balance Geir.Vestheim@osir.hihm.no Raw Style - Lego rawstyle@online.fire.dbn.dinet.com Reaver - Digital Access sbancrof@nibubwy.ccdn.otc.com.au Red Devil - DCS rob@edensoft.demon.co.uk Redlight - Dreamdealers llaubin@soleil.dir.univ-rouen.fr Reebok - Surprise! (PC) reebok@eleet.iddc.via.at Relief - Puzzle relief@dk-online.dk Ren - Depth dage@barentsnett.no Rendall - Impulse fgm73@ursus.bke.hu Repe^Ransu - Style & RRR karvakuo@klinja.fipnet.fi or repe@xgw.fi Reverend D - Trespass BBS jimmyh@algonet.se Reward - Complex Sami.Vanhatalo@hut.fi Rickz - Divine Stylers rk@bastad.se Robin - Steroid robin@csomavax.csoma.elte.hu Rodney - Art'n Magic and Axis deen@algonet.se Roland - ex-Balance roland@kauhajoki.fi Roman Soft - LLFB roman@bart.us.es or roman@esi.us.es Rubberduck - TBL d93jde@t.hfb.se Rune - Talent rchg@nvg.unit.no S.m.m smyr@algonet.se Samir - Prestige & Zenith sgherbi@di.epfl.ch Saracen - Talent arstokke@sn.no Saviour - Complex saviour@freenet.hut.fi Saxon - Tex saxon@hysteria.dssd.sub.org Scarface - vSG/hNY/-T!/rDZ scf@xs4all.nl Scope - Balance bergsoe4@pipmail.dknet.dk or scope@hoa.ping.dk Scorpik - Absolute!, Pulse (PC) longsoft@zalbix.wroc.pl Sector9 - Razor 1911 (PC) kjetilp@ifi.unit.no Sentinel - Unreal sentinel@bonus.fido.hr Serkul - Cydonia kymtosh@smug.student.adelaide.edu.au Shadowwalker - Ambrosia 113622@tek.herningts.dk Shaitan - Ultima^Data Division^Tribe craig@optimism.demon.co.uk or craig@dcandy.demon.co.uk Shortie - ex-Sonic cm-a.j.kennedy@teesside.ac.uk or CM-A.J.Kennedy@tees.ac.uk Shorty - Spaceballs olavr@ulke.HiMolde.no Sicc0 - Paradigm Shift sicco@oz.net Siegel- TRSi/X-Innovation siegel@deadline.snafu.de Silk - Digital silk@dcs.warwick.ac.uk Silver Eagle - Pygmy Projects silvere@freenet.hut.fi Simply - Parallax jjuhola@ratol.fi Sir Monkey - Chrome k140734@cs.tut.fi Skull - Eremation sauger@etu.unicaen.fr SkurK - Hoaxers^SIDcREW skurk@interlink.no Slammer - Rednex carsten@funcom.no Slat - Lustrones slat@dei.unipd.it Smeagol - Triumph carla@ifi.uio.no Smt - Artwork smt@blacky.mcnet.de Snorpax Tudor - TBL d95han@t.hfb.se Snuskis - DCS snuskis@mn.medstroms.se Solnova - Movement and >(oo)< karsten@funcom.com or karsten@funcom.no Soul - Movement dave@ts.umu.se Spaceman - Lemon. del@nlights.demon.co.uk SpeedWolf - Tex speedwolf@hysteria.dssd.sub.org Spin - Abyss grafp@ruf.uni-freiburg.de Sprocket - Depth madsjm@colargol.idb.hist.no Stelios - Axis stilian2@gfx4.mdx.ac.uk Steve S.J.Atkinson@plymouth.ac.uk STL - Damage andezl@kastelli.otol.fi Stone - Matrix stone@cs.tu-berlin.de Storm - Cydonia storm@ar.ar.com.au Stranger ihaaland@netpower.no Strider - FairLight strider@fairlight.com Stripe - The Party theparty@cybernet.dk Strobo - Stellar nikon@personal.eunet.fi or mint@clinet.fi or nikon@reelart.fi Style - Dylem^Prodigy^Fairlight style@logic.helvetica.ch Sule sule@eunet.yu Sumaleth - Pearl sumaleth@daemon.apana.org.au Supernao - Lemon. supernao@xs1.xs4all.nl Swoop - Rebels rebels@wiz.joy.se Sy-Klone - Progress dn@academy.bastad.se T.D.K. - Ex Melon maknight@mindscape.com Tactica - Puzzle martin@diku.dk Tai-Pan - Complex and Black Kangaroos taipan@niksula.cs.hut.fi Tango - Led & Ptl tango@academy.bastad.se Tanic - Orca fl@olympia.ct.se TBB - Extend hilipili@freenet.hut.fi Telemach - Psyba Solutions psyba@iprolink.co.nz TerraCom - Darkzone jorgen@skogstad.no Tfa - Mnc Vital@pp.itv.se The Dancing Fool- Epsilon idr@cs.pdx.edu The Kerp - G.C.C. rkoerper@ezl.com The Mad Guy - Tex themadguy@hysteria.dssd.sub.org The Raver - Psx Freaks^Effect PC raver@xs4all.nl The Ripper - Rom Team curzolo@mbox.vol.it The Rival - Ravishing Records therival@xs4all.nl The Swatch-man - TRSi schmhen@uni-muenster.de Thor - Extend thor@freenet.hut.fi Thoron - Fci thoron@ntp.alli.fi Tiger - Spreadpoint tiger@IDB.tng.oche.de Tim - TBL, Axis timkloos@sci.kun.nl Titus - Illusion a2773562@smail1.rrz.Uni- TNT - Scoopex tobi@vip.cybercity.dk Toaster - Illusion t150137@cs.tut.fi Tobias Jansson - Citron. & Sardonyx d95toj@dtek.chalmers.se TomSoft - None Tomsoft@worldnet.net Tom - Hoodlum & Jormas seen@escape.com or squeaky.free.org Tool - Accession tool@verbal.apana.org.au Touchstone - Essence touchstone@access.owl.de or touchstone@esc.dinet.de Trauma zavodnik@merkur.econ.muni.cz Trendy Dealer - Ram Jam eugenio@freenet.hut.fi Trix - good old ANARCHY m4o@sofi.aalborges.dk Tsunami - VD of Fairlight taila@snakemail.hut.fi Tumor - Ethic tumor@deadline.snafu.de Tycoon - Reality bernold@dds.nl U-man - Crux, Arclite u-man@kd.qd.se Ukulele - Banal Projects mleinone@tetra.ratol.fi Unreal - Pulse (PC) podgorsk@alpha.ok.ae.wroc.pl Uyanik! - Trsi * Trsi Records 101557.2475@compuserve.com U4ia - ex.CryptoBurners jim.young@bris.ac.uk or ccjy@cse.bris.ac.uk Valdimar - ex-Neuralgica valdimar@ifi.uio.no Vamp - InterActive vamp@hysteria.dssd.sub.org Van Helsing - Crux vampy@dcandy.demon.co.uk Vegas - Outlaws & Supplex md95-lgr@nada.kth.se Vention - >(oo)< martin@funcom.com Ventor - Pici celizna@fr.vsp.cz Vesuri - The Jormas vesuri@direktor.voima.jkl.fi Vietcong - Inhumans/Divine Stylers/Avocado! tobias-l@dsv.su.se View - Andromeda fgill@hauk.adh.no Villain - Reality villain@stack.urc.tue.nl Vip - Equinox lassesj@stud.idb.hist.no ViSiTOR - LSD^COR^FLD visitor@algonet.se Vodka - Saturne e4068@iut-orsay.fr or voneto@instn.saclay.cea.fr Wade - Eltech wade@dcandy.demon.co.uk Warthog - Parallax is94heju@mikkeliamk.fi Wasp - Damones wasp@jybox.jyu.fi Wayne Mendoza - Masque wayne@msq.ruhr.de or mwawro00@marvin.informatik.uni-dortmund.de Werewolf - Eclipse kaias@evitech.fi Whale - Reality whaley@dds.nl Whirly - Delight becker@cadeth-102.ethz.ch WhyJ tylipaav@ee.hit.fi Wide - Extend wide@merce.tky.hut.fi Wildcat - Visage ^ Scania M9415@hktecfs.hkr.se Wintermute - Crimson Jihad turner@goliat.eik.bme.hu Wizard jenand@bach.it.mh.se Wizard - Demos of the World 90388012482c8@bibl.skelleftea.se Wowbagger - Session tbk@oslonett.no Wrec - Zymosis-Rraisut Homot zymosis@direktor.voima.jkl.fi XXX - Haujobb xxx@haujobb.owl.de Yasiu - Obsession pro73@ci.pwr.wroc.pl Yoda - Illusion Makers l36612@alfa.ist.utl.pt Yolk - Parallax yolk@kontu.bbs.fi Youghurt - Spaceballs tomasan@sofus.hiof.no Zack - Giants zack@ovig.no Zapotek - Black Code Design sveinung.bergkvist@studbo.hit.no Zaltor - NGC caillaf7@cti.ecp.fr Zany Bird - Eclipse 2D2bouff@nun.iut2-grenoble.fr Zanone! - cELLbLOCK^4 dr.oetker@hardybox.gun.de Zappy - Megawatts zappy@clinet.fi Zeque - Complex Kalle.Saariaho@kyyppari.hkkk.fi Zero - Extend hoikka@lut.fi Zike - C^Z zike@kuai.se Znit - Banana Dezign espen.skog@infolink.no Zuikki - Stellar zuikkis@sci.fi ZyTech - Tex zytech@hysteria.dssd.sub.org __________________________________________________________________________ Some homepages: Alta - ex-Rbs, ex-Tsl Homepage: http://www.abc.se/~m9182/ Amicrawler Search index (to meet the old legends) Homepage: http://www.melizo.com/area52/amicrawler/search.cgi Artifex - Complex Homepage: http://www.evitech.fi/~henrijl/ Cesium - Session Homepage: http://www.sn.no/~frodeer Da Jormas Homepage: http://direktor.voima.jkl.fi/jormas Danaxe - Nerve Axis Homepage: http://www.tcp.co.uk/~danaxe Darkman - Triumph Homepage: http://www.ifi.uio.no/~oyvindfa/Triumph Deadbeat - The Sharks Homepage: http://stekt.oulu.fi/~mysti/the_sharks Dep - Dfx Homepage: http://www.canit.se/~dep Dr.Awesome - Crusaders Homepage: http://www.team17.com/~bjorn Dweezil - Complex(PC) and CNCD Homepage: http://www.evitech.fi/~marks Hamus - Hungarian Amiga Users Homepage: http://spike.fa.gau.hu/amiga Heikki Pora Homepage: http://www.lut.fi/~pora Hydra - Insane & DD author Homepage: http://www.vaala.fi/~hydra Jack - Mirage Homepage : http://wwwedu.cs.utwente.nl/~pullens Jugi - Complex Homepage: http://www.math.jyu.fi/~jusaka/ Kata - Balance Homepage: http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~jgr MaTT - ex-Scandal Homepage: http://www.ping.de/sites/jetleg Maxime - Ram Jam Homepage: FTP://smaq20.univaq.it/pub/amiga/www/Welcome.html http://ing.univaq.it/~max/ MSX Snaps Homepage: http://www.pi.net/~blahh/MSX/MSX.html Otis - Dream4 Music Homepage: http://www.xs4all.nl/~perseus Posdnuos - Ram Jam Homepage: ftp://univaq.it/pub/amiga/www/welcome.html Prophet - Wizzcat Homepage: http://www.prima.ruhr.de/intern/homepage/wizzcat/ RaatoMestari - Da Jormas Homepage: http://direktor.voima.jkl.fi/~raato RAW Online Homepage: http://www.xs4all.nl/~blahh Raw Style - Lego (Symposium'97) Homepage: http://www.szczecin.pl/~rawstyle/Sym97/ Reward - Complex Homepage: http://matserver.math.jyu.fi/complex/complex.html Roland - ex-Balance Homepage: http://kauhajoki.fi/~roland Silk - Digital Homepage: http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~silk/ Strider - FairLight Homepage: http://www.fairlight.com The Black Lotus Homepage: http://www.pi.net/~blahh/TBL.html The Jungle (mag) Online Homepage: http://pcwww.uibk.ac.at/s06user/csaa1298/welcome.htm Trendy Dealer - Ram Jam Homepage: http://home.sol.no/borseman/trendy U4ia - ex.CryptoBurners Homepage: http://sw.cse.bris.ac.uk/public/u4ia.html Valdimar - ex-Neuralgica Homepage: http://www.ifi.uio.no/~valdimar Vesuri - Da Jormas Homepage: http://direktor.voima.jkl.fi/~vesuri/vesuri.html Villain - Reality Homepage: http://www.stack.urc.tue.nl/~villain/ VISCORP! Homepage: http://www.vistv.com ROYAL INTERNET HQ: TELNET inovo@econ.muni.cz Newsgroup line (I-GO): comp.sys.amiga.demos All aspects of the Amiga demo-scene (+-----------------------------------------------------------------+) Remember to check out the IRC channels: #amigascne - meet scene people #amielite - meet the modem surfers #coders - no comment #amiga - Amiga owners worldwide #amiga(your country) e.g #amigahu for hungarian sceners (+-----------------------------------------------------------------+) The Papa FTP-site containing fresh scene warez: ftp: auckland.ira.uka.de (i41s20.ira.uka.de) Check out Mama demo server, too: ftp: pc23-c801.uibk.ac.at (path is: pub/jungle) (+-----------------------------------------------------------------+) ________________________________________________________________________________ [23] Toulouse - erster Eindruck MagnaMedia · AMIGA-Magazin · Toulouse - erster Eindruck Toulouse - erster Eindruck Das Treffen von Toulouse Toulouse or not to loose So lautete die Frage - frei nach William Shakespeare. Am 19. Mai 1996 fand in Toulouse ein Meeting statt, zum dem VIScorp eingeladen hatte. Ziel war, sich und die VIScorp-Produkte der Amiga-Gemeinde vorzustellen, Firmen, Entwickler und Presse kennenzulernen und sich auszutauschen. Eines der Hauptthemen war selbstverständlich die Set-Top-Box »ED«, die kurz vor der Produktionsreife steht. ED arbeitet mit dem Amiga-Chipsatz und soll im vierten Quartal diesen Jahres auf den Markt kommen. Mit ihm sollen zum Beispiel der Internet-Zugang ohne Computerkenntnisse auf dem Fernseher möglich werden. In verschiedenen Treffen für Händler und Distributoren, Entwickler, Presse und Amiga-User wurde dann über verschiedene Themen diskutiert. Im Entwicklertreffen fragten David Rosen und Carl Sassenrath (Mitentwickler des Amiga-Betriebssystems) nach den Bedürfnissen und Wünschen der Entwickler. VIScorp will die Entwicklung neuer Amigas und des Betriebssystems an eine externe Firma vergeben, da bei ihnen nicht genügend Personal vorhanden ist. In diesem Zusammenhang fiel auch der Name phase 5. Auf der abschließenden Ansprache verließ Bill Buck (Präsident von VIScorp) das Rednerpult, stellte sich mitten auf die Bühne, verbeugte sich und sagte »We are committed to the Amiga computer« - auf gut deutsch: »Wir sind dem Amiga Computer verpflichtet«. Eine deutliche Aussage zum Abschluß. Petro Tyschtschenko (Geschäftsführer von AMIGA Technologies) bekräftigte in einem Gespräch am Abend nach der Veranstaltung »So lange ich bei AMIGA Technologies bin, wird es den Amiga als Computer geben. Ich werde mich mit den Firmen in Verbindung setzen und alles in die Wege leiten. Der nächste Amiga wird aus Deutschland kommen«. Das Treffen war eine Standortbestimmung für VIScorp, um auf Tuchfühlung zur Amiga-Gemeinde zu gehen. Es gab keinerlei Anzeichen, die daraufhin deuten würden, daß der Verkauf nicht zustande kommt. Jetzt sind die Firmen aufgerufen ihren Teil für die Zukunft des Amiga zu leisten, damit es am Schluß heißt »not to loose« (nicht verlieren). René Beaupoil © Copyright by MagnaMedia Verlag AG, Haar bei München Veröffentlichung und Vervielfältigung nur mit schriftlicher Genehmigung Kommentare, Fragen, Korrekturen und Kritik bitte an Webmaster AMIGA schicken. Zuletzt aktualisiert von David Göhler am 22. Mai 1996 ________________________________________________________________________________ [24] VIScorp - Meeting on 19-May-96 VIScorp - Meeting on 19-May-96 in Toulouse Bensheim 05/21/96, Toulouse 05/19/96 Speech held by William 'Bill' Buck, CEO, VIScorp Good morning Ladies and Gentlemen. Welcome to the Toulouse-Show. I want to emphasize that this Press Conference is a working conference. We asked you in the world of AMIGA shows to give us your ideas and your initiate us. We`ve had so many ideas that we've put in on the web site, and we had even more ideas. We had over 2000 e-mails that have been provided by users for the future of AMIGA. What we want to do here today, is we want to map out a strategy to you and we think the future of AMIGA to be and we want to make sure that you understand and we want to hear your ideas and your opportunity to participate in that future. So, I want to say before we began too much that excuse me for not answering, excuse us for not answering all your e-mail. You can imagine that we had millions and millions of e-mail messages that if there`s something that you would like us us to respond to that we haven`t responded to yet. You can be sure that I am responding to my e-mail as well as the rest of us now. In some cases Eric as an example has done a fantastic job, he personally answered over 2000 e-mail messages himself and Carl was probably on the record for good 1000 himself as well. I will try to speak slowly, I know I have got a funny American accent but so, I try to do that. First, I do apologize for the confusion about today. In the world of AMIGA show we`ve said that we will have a press conference in Germany around the end of the month. Because we had so many ideas come from you, in a community as a whole that said this kind of thing might be better, because we want to show the people and the press that we talking about what we are doing and we are doing what we`re doing. And so somehow on the process of that information I think we got a little confused and we still had some information on the AMIGA Technologies web site that was different than ours and I apologize for that, especially to the people on the German AMIGA community who I don`t want to feel excluded at all. We try to answer a lot of questions before we came here about what our intentions were for AMIGA. It`s our intention today to try to answer all the rest of the questions that you might have. So I`d ask out of respect for everybody in the world to hold their questions until we get to that point of the presentation today. We want to give you as much information as we can, when I finish my conversation Raquel Valesco will give you the high points in French and in Spanish. Raquel stand up please. Raquel has been the driving force behind this conference that was her idea and the way it was organized and we proceeded was to her credit. We also have Eric Laffont, Eric stand up please. Eric really is an employee, he has business cards and please take one from him. And Eric really is the man who devises the survey and who implemented it and he did such a fantastic job answering all the e-mails. Thank you Eric. In addition to that, there was a staff of people very nervous who also helped physically support today .I really appreciate what they did for us. We have the rest of Viscorp Team here, we start here with Don Gilbreath, Carl Sassenrath, David Rosen and we have Curtiz Gangi, so here he is, and we have Petro Tyschtschenko and Stefan Haas. Okay . Let`s talk first about the AMIGA transaction. Okay, Bill Buck and Helmut Jost made a deal. It`s based on trust, it`s based on a handshake and it will probably based on this much paper when it`s all finished. Okay, It`s not finished. Okay, Bill Buck and Helmut Jost have a deal , and it`s done. Viscorp will be the owner of AMIGA. One more thing I like to say about this. Raquel and I last week were the guest of the New York Stock Exchange. And we stood in the member`s gallery with the treasury and the secretary of the New York Stock Exchange, the biggest capital market in the world. He told us that the reason why the Stock Exchange works is because two people have a trust. And trust is based on a "purple" agreement and for three days there`s nothing written. There`s no transaction. This agreement that Helmut Jost and I have at this point is we`ve waiting for this is based on trust and that's why we don`t feel uncomfortable with this meeting today, and that`s why I'm sure that this transaction will be completed. The second thing I like to say for the record is that Viscorp is committed to the future of the AMIGA computer. We`re committed to the AMIGA computer because we think the AMIGA computer represents a valuable choice to the market place and we believe it can be a profitable business. We think that means that we're gonna have to make some changes. We're gonna have to lever up the good things that have happened in the past and try to step beyond the things that everybody doesn't agree about. The difficulties that the platform has had in general don`t and we think we can do that and I will come back to that in a minute. Certainly, we believe in the operating system. We licensed it in December because we believe in the operating system. The fact that this opportunity was created for Viscorp because of the difficulties of ESCOM have anything to do with our believe in the operating system. We believe in the operating system. We think it still lives. The only multimedia and multitasking operating system in the world in our opinion. The second thing is and probably the most important thing is we believe in you. We believe in the community. Without a community of people like AMIGA has AMIGA will be just like everybody else. You guy are fanatics ! You can believe the thousands of e-mail messages I got. We asked you for your ideas at the AMIGA show and we were amazed by how many ideas came back to us. It was overwhelming. So, what we realized is that there is a future for AMIGA that absolutely no doubt about it like any development community. There had to be support, but this was going to be a little different in this case. Your ideas from everything you can imagine and we`re gonna take advantage of all those ideas. The first step we wanna make to you, the community, is that we are ready to listen. We think we demonstrated that we have the capacity to do that and that it's not our intention to change in that respect at all. The second thing we want to share with you are the results of our survey. We think it`s very vital information and we intend to do that on our website. That's in fact how we intend to get a lot of information to you in the future. We hope in the next few weeks to post documentation on the website that will support you. We know that there are people who can`t find this vital documentation that they need to do the things they want. We`re gonna try to get back and use our website as our best means of communication to the community. You can't imagine all the different places in the world that we're talking to people about us. We have a clear vision for what we want to do in the future and we believe we can support that vision. Let me just say from the outset that we think that in 1997 there will be more AMIGAs sold than we ever had been before. Most of those AMIGAs are gonna be our products and in products. It`s not gonna happen because little Viscorp makes them, it`s gonna happen because big companies decide to license the technology and put technology into existing products that they have. In the next few weeks there will be an announcement from us about a big company that makes TV-sets. We`re gonna put these things inside the TV set. First, as we get ready to talk about the ED and I'm sorry to say that we just have the ED in NTSC-version today because we had to develop our own operating system in the beginning which Carl wrote too by the way. It only works in this environment right now. That`s the great thing about AMIGA, it works in all the other environments. You`ll be able to see that product very shortly, but today we want to show you our ED, in black and white only, sorry. Two things to remember here: The first thing is with all you AMIGA guys, we know you have a great imagination, so pretend it`s in color. The second thing is that television technology hasn't changed in four years. It's a great thing about what we are proposing to do. The computer changes every week, there`s a faster processor, there`s more memory and there`s a new version of windows 95, it takes 95 megabytes. There`s lots of different things that are happening. This environment hasn`t changed. It`s a stable environment. It`s a very fertile field for us to do something, fantastic things. One thing I would like to say before I get into the little demonstration of our ED. The past is the past, okay, I don't care about what happened before. This is a new deal. Don`t whine on me about this or that. Look, I know that I`m not talking to you people because you are here on sunday morning but there are a lot of people in the community that are still upset about things that happened before. This is something new. We`re going forward, we`re going to demonstrate it every step of the way we`re going to go. That as an example that there are specific things that when we know we`re gonna do we will tell you. I can tell you right now a walker before Christmas, I don't think so, okay. I think there may be some other company that may decide: It was a good idea. Okay, we don`t have a power PC port ready for Christmas. We got to do something, we have parts and hardware that can take advantage of the OS. We got to show these people that we are moving Great idea, it`s a prototype. Somebody wants to pick up the ball and run with it. We`re ready to try to support that person. And in the same way, still even this month there were people at AMIGA Technologies that were talking about the walker being introduced this year. All I can say is that this person in particular doesn't work at AMIGA Technologies anymore. There are a lot of people that don't work at AMIGA Technologies anymore. The ones that we feel have something to add to what we`re doing in the future are still there and work silent about then. And we have to put all that stuff behind us. That was just a little example. Now what is Viscorp going to do for AMIGA? First thing is, we're gonna introduce a new operating system by the fourth quarter. If there are companies on the high end that have an interest in porting over the AMIGA OS to another processor, maybe the power PC. We're happy to support those people. No problem. We think there's another solution to this. We've been in conversations with DEC about the Alpha Chip, that can do 300 megahertz right now. We think that might be the right way to really boost the video. I think that`s something that we are going to be working on and you might see something about that in the middle of 1997. Also on the low end we have our products. Our products are ready. We're gonna talk to you about them later. These things can be adapted in certain ways that can add new functionality to the A1200 level products. And we think there are some ways so that we can tweak the A1200 too. Or we can speed up the bus or something like that to help us get the chipsets to work a little faster. We think we can do a lot of things and that's why we wanna hear from you people because we think you might have ideas we don't know about. And we want to leverage off those. We're happy to let you participate in those idea`s success.Okay. So, before I start talking about the ED, I`m going to ask Raquel to cover the main points in French and Spanish, just to make sure we're all together before we go to the next step. Raquel, please. Thanks very much to Simone Pawletzki for listening very carefully to the tape and typing it all. Thanks to Christoph Guelicher for helping, deciphering, guessing and contributing to the missing parts. 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TCS - THE CRAB SOCIETY TDD - THE DARK DEMON TDD - THE DATA DIVISION TDS - DOODLES ^ SHOCK TDS - THEDAS TDU - TDU JAM TECH - TECH TEDG - THE EDGE TEK - THE ELECTRONIC KNIGHTS TEX - THE EXTERMINATORS TFA - THE FLAME ARROWS TFD - THE FANTASTIC DUO TFF - THE FINAL FAKE TFF - THE FUN FACTORY THC - THC CRU THG - TECHNOLOGY THR - THREAT TILT - TILT TJS - TROJANS TKK - THE kARATE KIDS TL! - TWILIGHT TLL - THE LOWLIFES TLT - TALENT TMG - THE MAGIZ GUILD TOC - THE ORGANIZED CRIME TOP - TIRED OF PROTECTION TOS - THREE OMEN SHAPES TRB - TRIBE TRJ - TROJANS TRPS - TURNIPS TRSI - TRISTAR & RED SECTOR INC. TRZ - TRISTAR & ZENITH TSB - THE SPECIAL BROTHERS TSC - THE SACRED CiRCLE TSC - THE SPECTRUM CREW TSK - TASK TSL - THE SILENTS TSN - TENSION TSS - THE SHARKS TT - TARKUS TEAM TT - TOP TWO TTAB - THE TERRORIZERZ ASSAULT BRIGADE TVK - THE VIKINGS TVM - TRIVIUM TWB - THE WARNER BROS. TWE - THE WAVE TZD - TZ DESIGN UAA - UNITED ASCII ARTISTZ UC - UPPERCLASS UCF - UNITED CRACKING FORCE UDO - UDO ULA - UNLIMITED ARTISTS UNA - UNITED ARTZ UNL - UNLIMITED UNS - URANUS UNN - UNION UNT - THE UNTOUCHABLES UP! - UNDER PRESSURE US - UNIVERSAL SOLDIERS USX - ULTRA SONIX VCM - VACUUM VCT - VECTORS VD - VIRtUAL dREAMS VDO - VOODOO VEGA - VEGA VEN - VENEGEANCE VF - VISION FACTORY VHT - VIRUS HELP TEAM VNA - VENUS ART VNL - VENAL VNM - VENOM VOID - VOID VSG - VISAGE VSH - VANISH VSN - VISION VTL - VIRTUAL VTR - VENTURE VTY - VANITY VXN - VAXINE W^S - WILD STYLE WB - WUNDERBAUM WF - WILDFIRE WFYS - WE FIX YOUR SHIT WL - WHITE LABEL WL! - WHALE WN - WYSOKIE NAPIECIE WOA - WARRIORS OF ART WOT - WORLD OF TWIST WOW - WORLD OF WONDERS WR - WAVERIDERS WT - WANTED TEAM WTD - WANTED WTN - WOTAN WW - WAREN WAREN XMS - XYMOS XTE - XTENSION XTR - X-TRADE XTS - EXTENS YDL - YODEL Z - ZOMBIES ZM8 - ZM8 ZNT - ZENITH (old) ZOMO - ZOMO -T - TWISTED -U! - UNIQUE ARTS -Z - ZENITH (new) ________________________________________________________________________________ [27] .------------------------------------. | ____ _ ____ ___ | | /\ \_// /\ \__| | TeaM | | \/\ \/ \/\ \ | | -NL- | | \/\ / \/\ / | | | | \/\/ IRUS \/\/ |_| ELP | | \/ \/ ' ` | | -VIRUS-WARNING! -- VIRUS-WARNING!- | |------------------------------------| | NEW LINKVIRUS OUT! READ IT NOW!!!! | `------------------------------------' .------------------------------------------------------------------------. | [==> VIRUSHELP team NL WARNING! <==> VIRUSHELP team NL WARNING! <==] | `--------------------------------------------------------------------Jhl-' Virushelp team NL warns you for the following: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This is just a short and quick look on the virus. A new linkvirus is on the run.. it's a linkvirus which patches LoadSeg() and infects executables afterwards. The infected file will increase with 1712 or 1704 bytes. Certain files produce a GURU message and crash after infection, when started afterwards (1704 bytes infections). The changed vectors in dos.library are: -48 (-$030) : 0001519E -150 (-$096) : 00015190 When snoopdos is started, the virus won't infect, as snoopdos re-patches "-150" again. The linkvirus isn't memory-resistant after a reset. Here's the result of the heuristik scanner in Virusworkshop 6.0: Results of heuristik scanning: ------------------------------ Possible Dos Write() command Possible Dos Open() command Seems to look for HUNK_CODE Seems to look for HUNK_START Possible modification of Dos Write() Possible modification of Dos LoadSeg() Rating: Possible viral structures found Number of heuristik hits: 06 NO viruskiller is able to recognise or remove this bastard, so it's on it's way to the AV-programmers. A possible installer for this new linkvirus isn't known yet, so keep your eyes open! .------------------------------------------------------------------------. | [==> VIRUSHELP team NL WARNING! <==> VIRUSHELP team NL WARNING! <==] | `--------------------------------------------------------------------Jhl-' *THANKS* must go to Petri Nordlund for sending this file so fast! Greetz, +--------------------------------+-------------------------------+ | Jan Hendrik Lots Internet : jhl@grafix.xs4all.nl | | EDITOR OF VIRUSSCANLIST WORK : jlots@egt.nl | | Virus Help Team The Netherlands PGP Public Key available | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------+ ________________________________________________________________________________ Yo suckers, hehe hier gibt es nix mehr auf dem file . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . jetz hau schon endlich ab.... -*- This file passed through the hands of : -*- ___________ __________/ /____________ __\ ____/_ \___/_\ _____/_____ .-----\\ ____/___\ \ _\________ //-dA!. | \ \ /`---------\ / / | | `---------' `------------' | -- -|------(- tRISTAR & rED sECTOR iNC. & sIOn -)------|- -- --|--------------(- aM¡GA & cONSØLE -)---------------|-- | Give these boards a call: | | Spirit of Soul - trSi aMiga & sIOn | | Boondoks - trSi aMiga | | The Chameleon - trSi aMiga | | USS Enterprise - aNTHROx | · · `--- --(- 29-Mai-96 -)-- --- --(- 21:06:12 -)-- ---'