========== city/messages #51, from vesanto@snakemail.hut.fi, 1701 chars, Jan 18 20:26 95 ---------- *** COPIED FROM: >>>mail/messages 239 vesanto@snakem(1619)18Jan95 20:26 c944931* From vesanto@snakemail.hut.fi Wed Jan 18 18:30:59 1995 Received: from eros.britain.eu.net (eros.Britain.EU.net [192.91.199.2]) by tom.compulink.co.uk (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA03988 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 1995 18:30:59 GMT Received: from vinkku.hut.fi by eros.britain.eu.net via EUnet with SMTP (PP) id ; Wed, 18 Jan 1995 18:27:21 +0000 Received: from gamma.hut.fi (gamma.hut.fi [130.233.224.52]) by vinkku.hut.fi (8.6.9/8.6.7) with ESMTP id UAA27070 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 1995 20:26:00 +0200 Received: (vesanto@localhost) by gamma.hut.fi (8.6.8.1/8.6.7) id UAA13578; Wed, 18 Jan 1995 20:26:00 +0200 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 20:26:00 +0200 (EET) From: Juha juuso Vesanto To: Paul Owen Subject: Re: City Design In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: firedrake@cix.compulink.co.uk By the way, I have just received maintainance rights to a public ftp-site: ftp.funet.fi So the storage-space is not problem any more :). -- IMHP Juuso Vesanto email vesanto@snakemail servinmaijantie 10 C 33 Espoo -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- The small girl smiles. One eyelid flickers. She draws a pistol from her knickers. She aims it at the creatures head, And bang bang bang she shoots him dead. ========== city/messages #52, from shankk@graphy.physics.orst.edu, 1668 chars, Jan 18 10:33 95 ---------- *** COPIED FROM: >>>mail/messages 240 shankk@graphy.(1586)18Jan95 10:33 c944931* From shankk@graphy.physics.orst.edu Wed Jan 18 18:34:34 1995 Received: from graphy.physics.orst.edu (graphy.PHYSICS.ORST.EDU [128.193.96.80]) by tom.compulink.co.uk (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA04481 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 1995 18:34 :34 GMT Received: by graphy.physics.orst.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA26002; Wed, 18 Jan 1995 10:33:53 -0800 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 1995 10:33:53 -0800 (PDT) From: karl shank To: Paul Owen Subject: Re: City Design In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: firedrake@cix.compulink.co.uk On Tue, 17 Jan 1995, Paul Owen wrote: > Hello, I am currently wading through all the suggestions and responses > recieved about the City Design Project and I will be posting the results, > suggestions and ideas as soon as im done. > > I hope to be able to put some sort structure to the city soon. > > If you havent checked out Juha Vesanto's WWW page yet its worth a look. > > ------------------------------- > ------- >> Paul Owen << ------- > firedrake@CIX.compulink.co.uk > ------------------------------- > > Paul, I'm still waiting to hear from you as far as what you would like me to work on for the city; is this an organized effort or are people just sending you random input? also, what is the address to that www page? thanks, karl ========== city/messages #53, from shankk@graphy.physics.orst.edu, 1791 chars, Jan 20 14:57 95 ---------- *** COPIED FROM: >>>mail/messages 316 shankk@graphy.(1710)20Jan95 14:57 c11177* From shankk@graphy.physics.orst.edu Fri Jan 20 23:00:19 1995 Received: from graphy.physics.orst.edu (graphy.PHYSICS.ORST.EDU [128.193.96.80]) by tom.compulink.co.uk (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA07108 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 1995 23:00 :19 GMT Received: by graphy.physics.orst.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA14362; Fri, 20 Jan 1995 14:57:33 -0800 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 14:57:33 -0800 (PDT) From: karl shank To: Paul Owen Subject: Re: City Design In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: firedrake@cix.compulink.co.uk On Fri, 20 Jan 1995, Paul Owen wrote: > In-Reply-To: > > address for www page is > > http://www.hut.fi/~vesanto > > then select 'role playing games' > 'citydesign programs' > > as soon as ive collated all the ideas / suggestions so far ill mail you a > copy and well go from their, at the moment i am the only one putting all > this together, hopefully though once we have a bit of structure for the > city well be able to deal out different areas of the city to different > people to coordinate, this should speed things up then. > > ------------------------------- > ------- >> Paul Owen << ------- > firedrake@CIX.compulink.co.uk > ------------------------------- > > -------- Original Message -------- > Let me know if you need any help right now. karl ========== city/messages #54, from smpaus@eos.ncsu.edu, 3583 chars, Jan 8 23:5 95 ---------- *** COPIED FROM: >>>mail/messages 142 smpaus@eos.ncs(3511)8Jan95 23:05 From smpaus@eos.ncsu.edu Mon Jan 9 04:01:43 1995 Received: from c00313-11pa.eos.ncsu.edu (c00313-11pa.eos.ncsu.edu [152.1.13.24]) by tom.compulink.co.uk (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA29448 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 1995 04:01: 43 GMT Received: by c00313-11pa.eos.ncsu.edu (5.65/Eos/C-U-09Sep93) id AA08085; Sun, 8 Jan 1995 23:05:12 -0500 Message-Id: <9501090405.AA08085@c00313-11pa.eos.ncsu.edu> To: firedrake@CIX.compulink.co.uk Subject: City Project Date: Sun, 08 Jan 95 23:05:12 EST From: smpaus@eos.ncsu.edu Apparently-To: firedrake@cix.compulink.co.uk I am interested in participating in the proposed city project. My preferred e-mail address is smpaus@eos.ncsu.edu. Looking forward to hearing from you. Sean M. Paus - ----------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for all the interest and suggestions. OK you lot you've had a week to think about this so lets get down to some business. 1. Id like to know the names and e-mail addresses of all those interested in contributing to this project. 2. Need somewhere were all the relevent info/files can be stored for easy access to all ie FTP site /www thing. Any suggestions. 3. A quick outline on what how I intend this to go : firstly we'll say the city has a population of 25,000 (to start with) this will probably increase later though, but for now it gives us somewhere to start. The location is one a river with access to the sea (very close). It is a Freecity (ie self ruled). Magic is allowed as are all races and professions with a few exceptions, also religion is present in the city its part is as yet to be decided though. As a rough guide to the city inhabitants ill use C1 city generator to give us some numbers using 100% for all the random bits this way well get an average figure for each area. (ill work out the numbers and post them here later) 4. All articles will be required in a set format (to be agreed by all) ill post a suggestion about this soon and well work from there. 5. The city layout as yet thier isnt one I suggest we start with a central building (ie a castle/palace/keep) then build up around that as and when. 6. Please only submit positive/constructive ideas im not really into reading lots of negative comments from people who havent got anything better to offer, however if you think something is really wrong or totally out of place then let me know, but please no more arguments over how big the cities going to be, lets just let it grow as we build it and see how big it gets. 7. Although some people dont want to know exactly who lives where, ie their not bothered that that tower over thier has 3 wizards and a dead dog in it, some people like detail down to how many hit points the cleaning lady has after all its less work for the stressed out GM to decide upon so Id rather put that level of detail in, then those that dont want it can just ignore it and them that like it can use it. Id like to get all the detail into this that everyone wants (within reason) 8. Some more ideas and details to follow soon so start thinking on what YOU want from a detailed city description. - - ------------------------------- - - ------- >> Paul Owen << ------- firedrake@CIX.compulink.co.uk - - ------------------------------- - ------- End of Forwarded Message ------- End of Forwarded Message ========== city/messages #55, from mbutter@tower.clark.net, 1520 chars, Jan 19 20:0 95 ---------- *** COPIED FROM: >>>mail/messages 287 mbutter@tower.(1438)19Jan95 20:00 c782754* From mbutter@tower.clark.net Fri Jan 20 01:14:47 1995 Received: from clarknet.clark.net (clarknet.clark.net [168.143.0.2]) by tom.compulink.co.uk (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA13609 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 1995 01:14:47 GMT Received: from tower.clark.net by clarknet.clark.net (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA24722; Thu, 19 Jan 1995 20:20:24 +0500 Received: (mbutter@localhost) by tower.clark.net (8.6.9/8.6.4) id UAA05321; Thu, 19 Jan 1995 20:00:03 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 20:00:02 -0500 (EST) From: "Mario M. Butter" To: Paul Owen Subject: Re: City Design - 2 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 520 Apparently-To: firedrake@cix.compulink.co.uk On Sun, 8 Jan 1995, Paul Owen wrote: > Thanks for all the interest and suggestions. > > OK you lot you've had a week to think about this so lets get down to some > business. > > 1. Id like to know the names and e-mail addresses of all those > interested in contributing to this project. I can setup a new mail-list if you like, with an email archive. > > 2. Need somewhere were all the relevent info/files can be stored for > easy access to all ie FTP site /www thing. Any suggestions. [snip] Mario ========== city/messages #56, from firedrake, 8026 chars, Jan 25 21:13 95 ---------- *** COPIED FROM: >>>mail/messages 381 firedrake(7958)25Jan95 21:13 Date: Wed, 25 Jan 95 21:13 GMT From: firedrake@cix.compulink.co.uk (Paul Owen) Subject: City Design - so far To: jackobin@cix.compulink.co.uk, pohlke@inf.fu-berlin.de, DONALD@SS1.DIGEX.NET, MALIKTO@DELPHI.COM, GHUBER@GANDALF.RUTGERS.EDU, J=GALLEMORE%SC%137TAW@ANG137FS.ANG.AF.MIL, JSGILLI@LOOKOUT.ECTE.USWC.USWEST.COM, I.C.E@GENIE.GEIS.COM, VESANTO@SNAKEMAIL.HUT.FI, SENOUCCI@FBIHH.INFORMATIK.UNI-HAMBURG.DE, SHANKK@GRAPHY.PHYSICS.ORST.EDU, MAILET@MEGAREE.CERT.FR, M.CORSA@AGORA.STM.IT, slayer@gibbs.oit.unc.edu, SHEROD@NEWTON.COLORADO.EDU, SMPAUS@EOS.NCSU.EDU, BERRY@LIRMM.FR, WBARR@LELAND.STANFORD.EDU, firedrake@cix.compulink.co.uk, chatbox!garth.blore@iaccess.za Reply-To: firedrake@cix.compulink.co.uk Message-Id: This is long so if you not interested in the City Design Project, Sorry to bother you. 19-01-95 City Design - The Story so far. ********************************* A Free City with a Population of 25000(ish) located on a river where it meets the sea in a temperate area of the world. Size of the city in terms of land, well that depends on how many buildings we the creators have to fit in, I suggest we let this one roll for a while and see how it goes. Loaction of academies ??? Location of monasteries ??? Current Political situation is stable with a Prince Regent as overall ruler ?, helped by a council of advisers (made up from other influential guilds, professions etc in the city) ie if you want your master of assassins on the council then give him a good reason for being there. Magic is not frowned upon at all here, the Prince Regent uses it quite regularly, and so do the local law, (well if I am allowed to do that bit they will anyway) this is a major factor for the city staying free for so long ? All professions are available at present, subject to users requirements. Most Races are allowed into the city although some rarely want to Use Text files for all building / character descriptions. GIF/BMP ? files for pictures/floor plans. Use each others PC's as inhabitants (great idea but what happens when your players kill my characters who are NPC's in your game) Building - require the following, floor plans at a scale of 5ft per square detailing the following doors,windows,fireplaces you know all the stuff you wish was on floor plans but usually isnt, openings should include a % chance of being locked and a difficulty factor for opening/picking said device. Will write a separate document about building layouts soon, any suggestions will be greatly accepted. Inhabitants should include a name, race, prof, appearance, outlook, stats ?, hits etc Will write a template for this also later. again suggestions please. ie what do you want to know about the inhabitants of the city, detail will probably depend on importance etc but all inhabitants should have a set minimum description suggest something similar to C&T creature descriptions plus narrative on appearance etc. Religion - yes it is in the city but it does not run it (it might want to though) the numbers suggest 55? temples IMHO I think this is a bit high even bearing in mind that each religion may have several temples, a better figure to agree on might be how many religions are thier in the city ? levels of inhabitants will vary greatly through the city , it is unlikely that a academy of magic is solely made up of 2nd or even 15th level sorcerers the levels will and should range from 0 to 20th at least going from novice to grand master. The levels in any organisation should be spread out evenly, unless of course it is a small band such as the 'Grey Brotherhood' (I think thats what thier called ?) from the city of Eidolon. Professions of people are important only if the inhabitant in question is a major player in the city, detail is required here to reduce the amount of work we Gms have to do, remember to much detail can be discarded and ignored, not enough and we have to do some work, as noted earlier we need to decide what details are to be incorporated into descriptions of both inhabitants, buildings and organisations. Somewhere someone (G Huber I think) said that with a city population of 50K we'd need 500K people to supply the city from farming etc from outside the city, I think we can get round this by saying that most of the city supplies come in by ship, after all we are at the seaside are'nt we, this is not to say that thier are no outlying farms etc at all of course their will be some, this will make Trade a major part of the city. Army - this could be made up of different units (what really, you dont say) each unit designed for a specific purpose ie Town Guard, Police, Wall Guard, Rangers, Scounts etc the options are limitless so lets have some suggestions for army units I will start you off with 'The Red Capes' the Prince Regents own unit, made up of sections of 5 men 1 of which is always a spell caster. I think we need to lay down some areas to be tackled and organised ie. Army Navy Trade Housing Politics Religion each area then needs to be detailed with respect to how it will work and what is needed Scott Herod suggested a 'Rogues Gallery' of characters, this might be a better place for peoples PC's to reside, this could be a list of sorts of the people come and go regularly in the city but dont actually live thier regularly it could include details such as % cahnce of finding said person in the 'Green Dragon' in winter and who thier associates are etc. Guilds - Steve Danielson (sdl8@conell.edu) recently added some stuff about guilds to the rolemaster list with suggestions about giving bonus DP's etc to members but at the same time making them pay dearly ; ) I think this is a good idea (why didnt I think of that) anyway a couple of guilds here and there wont go amiss thay should offer something that the PC needs and cant get anywhere else, then take all thier well earned GP's off them whilst doing so. People have asked for a lot of info regarding things in the city, as far as im concerned this is to be OUR city not mine so if you want something in it then make a suggestion and well see if it can be fitted in youve asked what areas does the city have ?, what role does magic and religion play ?, what realms are associated with the academies ? all I can say is its our city you tell me !. I put forward a suggestion and am willing to coordinate the project but I will not tell you what I want in the city, its not mine so I wont dictate what it looks like. But I will pass on the ideas/suggestions of others and myself. John W Curtis III (ICE) pointed out that the numbers I put forward included a number of professions that will cease to exist (does that mean all the existing characters of ours will just vanish) in the new edition. I would like to say that the majority of people out thier have the existing books and are unlikely to rush out and buy up all the new books then throw thier old ones in the bin and forget the old characters, so we should leave them in at least for now. Who knows in years to come people will look at the city and say WOW look at that character he's great im not going to tackle him, all those extinct classes will become like gods in the eyes of the new ones ( if anyone does rush out to buy the new books please throw your old ones in my direction ;-) ) What did people think about the housing thing I posted earlier ? If you feel the need to comment on anything feel free. Hope to have a FTP site or something sorted soon if not well have to find an alternative (binmail ?) ------------------------------- ------- >> Paul Owen << ------- firedrake@CIX.compulink.co.uk ------------------------------- ========== city/messages #57, from shankk@graphy.physics.orst.edu, 4591 chars, Jan 25 14:51 95 ---------- *** COPIED FROM: >>>mail/messages 355 shankk@graphy.(4509)25Jan95 14:51 c100113* From shankk@graphy.physics.orst.edu Wed Jan 25 22:54:58 1995 Received: from graphy.physics.orst.edu (graphy.PHYSICS.ORST.EDU [128.193.96.80]) by tom.compulink.co.uk (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA14373; Wed, 25 Jan 1995 22:54:58 GMT Received: by graphy.physics.orst.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA27951; Wed, 25 Jan 1995 14:51:55 -0800 Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 14:51:54 -0800 (PDT) From: karl shank To: Paul Owen Cc: jackobin@cix.compulink.co.uk, pohlke@inf.fu-berlin.de, DONALD@SS1.DIGEX.NET, MALIKTO@DELPHI.COM, GHUBER@GANDALF.RUTGERS.EDU, J=GALLEMORE%SC%137TAW@ANG137FS.ANG.AF.MIL, JSGILLI@LOOKOUT.ECTE.USWC.USWEST.COM, I.C.E@GENIE.GEIS.COM, VESANTO@SNAKEMAIL.HUT.FI, SENOUCCI@FBIHH.INFORMATIK.UNI-HAMBURG.DE, MAILET@MEGAREE.CERT.FR, M.CORSA@AGORA.STM.IT, slayer@gibbs.oit.unc.edu, SHEROD@NEWTON.COLORADO.EDU, SMPAUS@EOS.NCSU.EDU, BERRY@LIRMM.FR, WBARR@LELAND.STANFORD.EDU, firedrake@cix.compulink.co.uk, chatbox!garth.blore@iaccess.za Subject: Re: City Design - so far In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: firedrake@cix.compulink.co.uk I'll throw in my thoughts on the military organization. Drawing from my experiences in the military we should break it down into 3 or possibly 4 "branches". Navy- being a coast town this will be large Army- to defend the fields and surrounding areas "National Guard"- this is where the police come in, I don't want to make them part of the military per se; but they will help if there is a major invasion/disaster/etc Militia/Reserve- basically all the local arms professions who would get called out in an emergency. With those divisions we can look closer at each branch. Navy- this would have a small coast patrol of small, fast ships that would be responsible for rescues, smuggling, general patrolling. then the main navy with larger war ships to deal with pirates and invaders. On each ship there would be a contingent of marines, skilled at firing missle weapons from the rigging and hand to hand combat For more exotic possibilities, are there mermen around? Has the city domesticated any sea life that we can use? Army- lots of possibilities here: Scouts- mostly rangers; small teams to forage ahead of the army Archers- Infantry- need the heavily armed (chain and plate) ground pounders Cavalry- Special forces- this could be made up of assassins, rangers, rogues, beastmasters, nightwings, etc and would handle assassinations, espionage, and covert operations against enemies, smugglers, etc Engineers- to build battlements, help in seiges, etc Once the basics are covered you can add more exotic units: Essence units- why waste time with catapults when you can use fireballs? Aerial units- can we tame some sort of flying mounts? Are there avian humanoids we can enlist? Healers- each company of men will need a medic, these can be people trained in first aid, lay healers, militant clerics, whatever Dwarves- to defend any mountains The army would be responsible for defending the walls, running patrols in the countryside and maintaining a large force ready to meet invaders. We really need to have some general idea of what the surrounding countryside looks like to determine what type of force we will have: if the city is well defended by nature then we would have a large navy and concentrate the army with ground troops defending key ground. If there is a lot of open space, then we will need more mounted men to adequately patrol. What about our neighbors? Where are the nearest settlements? Are they aggressive? That would leave the police with the responsibility for keeping order. They would also help man the walls when needed, allowing the army to send more units to the "front". For the militia we could require every arms user to register and be subject to call when needed (can you say ready made adventure?) Anyways, these are some rough initial thoughts. I would like to work in this group when we finally start piece mealing the tasks, but we still need to flesh out the city more to see what type of military is actually needed to defend it. karl ========== city/messages #58, from slayer@gibbs.oit.unc.edu, 2673 chars, Jan 25 19:37 95 ---------- *** COPIED FROM: >>>mail/messages 357 slayer@gibbs.o(2591)25Jan95 19:37 c100113* From slayer@gibbs.oit.unc.edu Thu Jan 26 01:03:47 1995 Received: from gibbs.oit.unc.edu (gibbs.oit.unc.edu [152.2.25.2]) by tom.compulink.co.uk (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA00485; Thu, 26 Jan 1995 01:03:47 GMT Received: from localhost by gibbs.oit.unc.edu (8.6.4.3/10.1) id TAA04139; Wed, 25 Jan 1995 19:37:44 -0500 Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 19:37:44 -0500 From: Scott de Marchi To: Paul Owen cc: jackobin@cix.compulink.co.uk, pohlke@inf.fu-berlin.de, DONALD@SS1.DIGEX.NET, MALIKTO@DELPHI.COM, GHUBER@GANDALF.RUTGERS.EDU, J=GALLEMORE%SC%137TAW@ANG137FS.ANG.AF.MIL, JSGILLI@LOOKOUT.ECTE.USWC.USWEST.COM, I.C.E@GENIE.GEIS.COM, VESANTO@SNAKEMAIL.HUT.FI, SENOUCCI@FBIHH.INFORMATIK.UNI-HAMBURG.DE, SHANKK@GRAPHY.PHYSICS.ORST.EDU, MAILET@MEGAREE.CERT.FR, M.CORSA@AGORA.STM.IT, SHEROD@NEWTON.COLORADO.EDU, SMPAUS@EOS.NCSU.EDU, BERRY@LIRMM.FR, WBARR@LELAND.STANFORD.EDU, firedrake@cix.compulink.co.uk, chatbox!garth.blore@iaccess.za Subject: Re: City Design - so far In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: firedrake@cix.compulink.co.uk A few concerns / comments / questions: 1) what format are we thinking of putting maps and characters in? If we are going for gif / bmp for the maps, what program is everyone using to draw with? Recommendations welcome. As for character editors, does anyone use grolem or have a better suggestion? 2) Is there any way we could assign "modules" to people -- e.g., a special guard brigade, a sorcerer's group, a famous healer and attendants, etc. -- and then have some kind of building commission to fit the different modules together into one framework? I believe that many parts of the city should / could be done by individual people, but to make the city really work together organically someone should look at and fit all the disparate parts together (i.e., place the NPC's and their buildings on the master map, describe their connection to the rest of the city, fit them into the economy, draw up encounter tables for the different parts of the city, index the thing, etc.). 3) The disappearing class issue doesn't seem all that important to me, as RM is skill based. We can always change classes with little effort later (unless, I suppose, spell lists vanish as well in the new edition). Cheers, Scott ========== city/messages #59, from vesanto@snakemail.hut.fi, 2823 chars, Jan 26 17:9 95 ---------- *** COPIED FROM: >>>mail/messages 358 vesanto@snakem(2741)26Jan95 17:09 c100113* From vesanto@snakemail.hut.fi Thu Jan 26 15:07:06 1995 Received: from vinkku.hut.fi (root@vinkku.hut.fi [130.233.245.1]) by tom.compulink.co.uk (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA17295 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 1995 15:07:06 GMT Received: from beta.hut.fi (beta.hut.fi [130.233.224.51]) by vinkku.hut.fi (8.6.9/8.6.7) with ESMTP id RAA25388 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 1995 17:09:24 +0200 Received: (vesanto@localhost) by beta.hut.fi (8.6.8.1/8.6.7) id RAA32366; Thu, 26 Jan 1995 17:09:24 +0200 Date: Thu, 26 Jan 1995 17:09:21 +0200 (EET) From: Juha juuso Vesanto To: Paul Owen Subject: Re: City Design - so far In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: firedrake@cix.compulink.co.uk On Wed, 25 Jan 1995, Paul Owen wrote: > Will write a separate document about building layouts soon, any > suggestions will be greatly accepted. For ease of use with ANY level of detail the GM wants: multiple desciptions. 1) a _very_ general text-description of the place. Not long, pretty vague but possibly very colorful to give food for imagination. "Standing on the very edge of the cliff is a small wooden cottage, looking like it could collapse any minute." 2) more details: dimensions, doors, windows, rooms etc. Perhaps a picture of the house/floorplan. 3) very detailed description. Items, hitpoints for doors, difficulity for locks. Well, this is just a guideline. The idea is to give multiple descriptions based on the detail they give. This way the GM may easily download just the approximate level of detail s/he wants. If I would want a quick desciption of house, I don't want to go through whole pages of text to get an overview. The most important level of detail is #1: general description. The writer may dwell down to as detailed s/he wants, but it should not be obligatory. > Inhabitants should include a name, race, prof, appearance, outlook, > stats ?, hits etc Well: 1) name, race, appearance, outlook, what-is-he-good-at, maybe even the most obvious stats (a Pr of 100, a St of 20 something like that) 2) profession, stats 3) skills, RRs, spells, hits, DB, etc. 4) items juuso -- IMHP Juuso Vesanto email vesanto@snakemail servinmaijantie 10 C 33 Espoo -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- The small girl smiles. One eyelid flickers. She draws a pistol from her knickers. She aims it at the creatures head, And bang bang bang she shoots him dead. ========== city/messages #60, from vesanto@snakemail.hut.fi, 4670 chars, Jan 26 18:1 95 ---------- *** COPIED FROM: >>>mail/messages 359 vesanto@snakem(4588)26Jan95 18:01 c100113* From vesanto@snakemail.hut.fi Thu Jan 26 15:57:42 1995 Received: from vinkku.hut.fi (root@vinkku.hut.fi [130.233.245.1]) by tom.compulink.co.uk (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA24008 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 1995 15:57:42 GMT Received: from lk-hp-7.hut.fi (lk-hp-7.hut.fi [130.233.245.32]) by vinkku.hut.fi (8.6.9/8.6.7) with ESMTP id SAA28136 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 1995 18:01:18 +0200 Received: (vesanto@localhost) by lk-hp-7.hut.fi (8.6.8.1/8.6.7) id SAA09274; Thu, 26 Jan 1995 18:01:19 +0200 Date: Thu, 26 Jan 1995 18:01:18 +0200 (EET) From: Juha juuso Vesanto To: Paul Owen Subject: Re: City Design - so far In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: firedrake@cix.compulink.co.uk On Wed, 25 Jan 1995, Paul Owen wrote: > Religion - yes it is in the city but it does not run it (it might want > to though) the numbers suggest 55? temples IMHO I think this is a bit > high even bearing in mind that each religion may have several temples, > a better figure to agree on might be how many religions are thier in > the city ? Awww, this is the hard part as each GM usually has very different sets of religions. The 55 temples is a bit high, unless a lone priest and his homeicon counts as a temple. If we keep to the 55 temples, I'd say: a pantheon of a twentyscore dieties plus half as much minor (secret) religions (with at least one priest in region). However this is a town of only 25000 and a pantheon of twentyscore dieties is more than average. My suggestion is cutting down to a pantheon of ten (approximately; these would hold the normal Sun, Sea, Fertilety, Travel+Trade, Wind gods) and about five minor (local dieties) and secret (the BAD) dieties/religions. The number of temples would be about 25. > Somewhere someone (G Huber I think) said that with a city population > of 50K we'd need 500K people to supply the city from farming etc from > outside the city, I think we can get round this by saying that most of > the city supplies come in by ship, after all we are at the seaside > are'nt we, this is not to say that thier are no outlying farms etc at > all of course their will be some, this will make Trade a major part of > the city. The 50K vs 500K was from the 11th century (I think), and that isn't really known for efficient agriculture, not to mention the lack of magic as opposed to RM. If we have a city of 25K, the surrounding countryside should have around 75K people. Maybe even less. The sea helps a lot of cource. > Scott Herod suggested a 'Rogues Gallery' of characters, this might be > Guilds - Steve Danielson (sdl8@conell.edu) recently added some stuff These are good ideas. > edition. I would like to say that the majority of people out thier have > the existing books and are unlikely to rush out and buy up all the new > books then throw thier old ones in the bin and forget the old characters, > so we should leave them in at least for now. Who knows in years to come Aye, let's keep the old characters. After all, it's just a bit of work to make them anew with the new system, if it is worth it. We might even work out conversion rules. > What did people think about the housing thing I posted earlier ? A good idea, _but_ as a separate project from this. > Hope to have a FTP site or something sorted soon if not well have to find > an alternative (binmail ?) Now I have the things figured out. There already is a directory, although there's nothing in it, yet. Any thoughts how it should be organised? One directory for rogue-gallery, another for floorplans, and so on. Then a masterdocument in HTML with links to everywhere?? Everybody mails ready textfiles to you, you do some editing and mail them to me and I put them to the FTP-site?? I'll put up some kind of skeleton RSN. (something like the city of Lakham) juuso PS. have you thought up a name? I think you, as the originator, have the right to name the place :) -- IMHP Juuso Vesanto email vesanto@snakemail servinmaijantie 10 C 33 Espoo -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- The small girl smiles. One eyelid flickers. She draws a pistol from her knickers. She aims it at the creatures head, And bang bang bang she shoots him dead.