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From: "Declan Gorman" <declan_gorman@modusmedia.com>

>From: Andrew Crowe <andrewcrowe@enterprise.net>

Hello Andrew,
  Thanks for the response and your comments are noted.  I have to say that I
am not 100% behind you when you say that the size of the source file is the
problem, but I will investigate it further.  I have done numbers tests, one
of which led me to loading the email with 25 messages into a text editor and
without altering the email size and contents I just changed the text 'There
are 25 messages' to 'There are 19 messages'.  So although there was 25
emails, I was informing my program that there was only 19.

  So when I processed this new file, it did not report any problems and the
resulting amigaguide file was generated and worked.  Obviously only allowing
19 messages to be accessed but the size of the source file did not seem to
make any difference.  Strange?

  When you say it crashes a lot, at what points did it crash and did it
crash your Amiga, Amos or just the program itself?

  Am I wrong in assuming that if I reserve a portion of memory for use in
processing the file I should not have any problems.  Doesn't AmosPro
allocate a safe portion of memory?

  Thanks again for your help.

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From: Andrew Crowe <andrewcrowe@enterprise.net>

Hi Everybody,

> without altering the email size and contents I just changed the text 'There
> are 25 messages' to 'There are 19 messages'.  So although there was 25
> emails, I was informing my program that there was only 19.

   Oh, it still mucked up on mine... Hmmm.

>  So when I processed this new file, it did not report any problems and the
> resulting amigaguide file was generated and worked.  Obviously only allowing
> 19 messages to be accessed but the size of the source file did not seem to
> make any difference.  Strange?
> 
>  When you say it crashes a lot, at what points did it crash and did it
> crash your Amiga, Amos or just the program itself?

   Ok, it didn't crash during the program, but after about 3 or 4 runs I go back to the editor and the thing crashes, so I can only presume there is a bug in there somewhere resulting in part of the memory being overwritten...

>  Am I wrong in assuming that if I reserve a portion of memory for use in
> processing the file I should not have any problems.  Doesn't AmosPro
> allocate a safe portion of memory?

   Amos only allocates as much as you tell it, I always add a few k at the end of banks just incase, so you could try that...

Anyway, good luck :)

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AMCAF: http://members.xoom.com/_XOOM/AmosFactory/ext/index.html

Plastic

-----Původní zpráva-----
Od: Johan Van Mensel [mailto:son.of.zoic@wol.be]
Odesláno: 8. září 1999 8:43
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Předmět: Re: [amos-list] Digest Number 452


From: Johan Van Mensel <son.of.zoic@wol.be>

From: Johan Van Mensel <son.of.zoic@wol.be>
To: amos-list@onelist.comµ
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 08:39:05 +0200
Subject: Re: [amos-list] Digest Number 452

Message: 2
   Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 11:20:46 +0200
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Subject: Re: clock

> From: Johan Van Mensel <son.of.zoic@wol.be>
> 
> How can I get time and date and
> can the clock working
> without interfering the program ?
> I can't find it in the manual.

>There is a sample program somewhere on the tutorial disk, I don't
>remember exactly its name and location.
>I can mail you (or the list if asked for) a proggy that display a huge
>full-screen digital clock. I use it while listening MP3's !


If it's OK, you may send them both !


Vriendelijke groeten,
                        Johan


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Subject: Re: clock

At 10:51 AM 9/6/99 +0200, you wrote:
>From: Johan Van Mensel <son.of.zoic@wol.be>
>
>
>How can I get time and date and
>can the clock working
>without interfering the program ?
>I can't find it in the manual.
>

>AMCAF extension has loads of time and date commands, which i always use in
>programs such as MPDMailpost. For example



Where can I find the AMCAF extention ?


Vriendelijke groeten,
                        Johan


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From: Johan Van Mensel <son.of.zoic@wol.be>
To: amos-list@onelist.comµ
Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 08:39:05 +0200
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Subject: Re: clock

> From: Johan Van Mensel <son.of.zoic@wol.be>
> 
> How can I get time and date and
> can the clock working
> without interfering the program ?
> I can't find it in the manual.

>There is a sample program somewhere on the tutorial disk, I don't
>remember exactly its name and location.
>I can mail you (or the list if asked for) a proggy that display a huge
>full-screen digital clock. I use it while listening MP3's !


If it's OK, you may send them both !


Vriendelijke groeten,
                        Johan


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   Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 05:44:28 -0400
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Subject: Re: clock

At 10:51 AM 9/6/99 +0200, you wrote:
>From: Johan Van Mensel <son.of.zoic@wol.be>
>
>
>How can I get time and date and
>can the clock working
>without interfering the program ?
>I can't find it in the manual.
>

>AMCAF extension has loads of time and date commands, which i always use in
>programs such as MPDMailpost. For example



Where can I find the AMCAF extention ?


Vriendelijke groeten,
                        Johan


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From: roger buckley <rogerbu@callnetuk.com>

Hi,

My latest project is nearing completion but as the game can take a while to
play I thought a load/save option would be helpful. The data required to be
saved is only 368 bytes and I've put this data in an array but I can't seem
to save it. The load game option is on the opening screen with the save
being operative all through the game. Save and Load only seem to affect the
Banks and I'm not well up with that side of affairs. I simply need to save
the data as a file and load it again as required. Can anyone help?

Kind regards
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From: Johan Van Mensel <son.of.zoic@wol.be>


Does anyone have source code
for time and date ?
nothing found on aminet.

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From: "Scooter D. Matott sXe" <sdmatott@midway.uchicago.edu>

On Sun, 12 Sep 1999, roger buckley wrote:

> From: roger buckley <rogerbu@callnetuk.com>
> 
> Hi,
> 
> My latest project is nearing completion but as the game can take a while to
> play I thought a load/save option would be helpful. The data required to be
> saved is only 368 bytes and I've put this data in an array but I can't seem
> to save it. The load game option is on the opening screen with the save
> being operative all through the game. Save and Load only seem to affect the
> Banks and I'm not well up with that side of affairs. I simply need to save
> the data as a file and load it again as required. Can anyone help?
> 

Roger,
	A simple, if less than eloquant, approach is to dump the 
data to a text file, to this you use the Open, Input, and Print commands,
check the help files for the exact syntax but the general code should 
look something like this...

Save_Game:

Open In 1,FILE$  <- File is the name of the file you are saving to

For X=0 to Array_Length
	For Y=0 to Array_Height 
		For Z=0 to Array_Depth
		Etc. Depending on How many levels deep your array is...

	Print  1,Str$( Array(x,y,z....) )
	rem This will write array one line at a time into the text file FILE$

Next X : NExt Y : Next Z : etc....

Close 1 <- Don't forget this line (closes files, else get an unalidated
				disk error)

Load_Game:

Open In 1,FILE$  <- File is the name of the file you are saving to

For X=0 to Array_Length
	For Y=0 to Array_Height 
		For Z=0 to Array_Depth
		Etc. Depending on How many levels deep your array is...

	Junk$=Input$ 1   <- Grabs the next line of the file
	Array(x,y,z....)=Val(Junk$) 

Next X : NExt Y : Next Z : etc....

Anyway the code looks something like that, questions?  Ask Away!

	Thanks,
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From: "Rev. Giark To You" <giark@golden.net>

On 13-Sep-99, Scooter D. Matott sXe wrote:
>Save_Game:

>Open In 1,FILE$  <- File is the name of the file you are saving to

Err, Open OUT 1, Not in.

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> Does anyone have source code
> for time and date ?
> nothing found on aminet.

Oops, I promised to post one, I totally forgot that.
I hope I'll think putting this prog on a disk this evening.

I apologise.

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From: roger buckley <rogerbu@callnetuk.com>

Hello Scooter

On 13-Sep-99, you wrote:

> From: "Scooter D. Matott sXe" <sdmatott@midway.uchicago.edu>
> 
> On Sun, 12 Sep 1999, roger buckley wrote:
> 
>> From: roger buckley <rogerbu@callnetuk.com>

>> My latest project is nearing completion but as the game can take a while
>> to play I thought a load/save option would be helpful.  Can anyone
>> help?
>> 
> 
> Roger,
>     A simple, if less than eloquant, approach is to dump the 
> data to a text file, to this you use the Open, Input, and Print commands,
> check the help files for the exact syntax but the general code should 
> look something like this...[snip]
> 
 Ask Away!
> 
>     Thanks,
>           Scott Matott sXe
>           Chicago, Il USA
> 

Both Garfield and yourself have come up with brilliant solutions. I've
converted the player's names to asci so they can be saved as well. Just got
some variables to sort out, altered due to the load/save option, but the
main headache has gone. Very many thanks to you both. You'll get a mention
if and when this goes on the AFCD:)

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Hello Rev.

On 14-Sep-99, you wrote:

> From: "Rev. Giark To You" <giark@golden.net>
> 
> On 13-Sep-99, Scooter D. Matott sXe wrote:
>> Save_Game:
> 
>> Open In 1,FILE$  <- File is the name of the file you are saving to
> 
> Err, Open OUT 1, Not in.
> 
many thanks again. Managed to get Garfield's binary version working. 
Load/save is GO:)

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From: "Rev. Giark To You" <giark@golden.net>

On 14-Sep-99, floquet wrote:
>> Does anyone have source code
>> for time and date ?

DATE$="" : TIME$=""
Global DATE$,TIME$

DATE

Procedure DATE
A$="" : B$=""
Exec "Date >RAM:Date.TMP"
Open In 1,"RAM:Date.TMP"
 Line Input #1,A$
Close 1
B$=Right$(A$,18) : DATE$=Left$(B$,9) : TIME$=Right$(B$,8)
End Proc

Simple and fast.

Well met and godspeed,
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From: "Scooter D. Matott sXe" <sdmatott@midway.uchicago.edu>

On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, Rev. Giark To You wrote:

> From: "Rev. Giark To You" <giark@golden.net>
> 
> On 13-Sep-99, Scooter D. Matott sXe wrote:
> >Save_Game:
> 
> >Open In 1,FILE$  <- File is the name of the file you are saving to
> 
> Err, Open OUT 1, Not in.
> 
	hey man I warned you all about the syntax!  I mean IN/OUT aren't
you nit-picking just a little Giark?  ;)
	Anyway, Roger let us know if that scheme works for, there
are other ways still if it doesn't..


	Thanks,
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From: Declan Gorman <decg@gofree.indigo.ie>

Hello All,
  Page 14.A.05 of the AmosPro manual for the command Peek$,
string$=Peek$(address,length), states that Peek$ reads the maximum
number of characters specified in the length parameter, into a new
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  I am loading a text file into a memory bank and trying to fill a
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From: Andrew Crowe <andrewcrowe@enterprise.net>

Hi Everybody,

>  Page 14.A.05 of the AmosPro manual for the command Peek$,
> string$=Peek$(address,length), states that Peek$ reads the maximum
> number of characters specified in the length parameter, into a new
> string.  If this is not a sensible length, the length is assumed to be
> 65500.
> 
>  I am loading a text file into a memory bank and trying to fill a
> string with the contents of this bank.  If the length of the text file
> is greater than the 'sensible' length I am in trouble.  So what I am
> asking is can I change the 'sensible' length allowed or is this set at
> the system level and unchangeable?

   As far as I know, there is no way of having a string over 64k in size. 

But, why do you need it in a string? Can't you just use peek/poke to use it from the memory bank?

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Declan Gorman wrote:
> 
> From: Declan Gorman <decg@gofree.indigo.ie>
> 
> Hello All,
>   Page 14.A.05 of the AmosPro manual for the command Peek$,
> string$=Peek$(address,length), states that Peek$ reads the maximum
> number of characters specified in the length parameter, into a new
> string.  If this is not a sensible length, the length is assumed to be
> 65500.
> 
>   I am loading a text file into a memory bank and trying to fill a
> string with the contents of this bank.  If the length of the text file
> is greater than the 'sensible' length I am in trouble.  So what I am
> asking is can I change the 'sensible' length allowed or is this set at
> the system level and unchangeable?

Why don't you just fill the string in 'sensible' length blocks?

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From: "Maes" <frank32@planetinternet.be>

Hello all,

I have written a Bars&Pipes plugin for synthesizer controllers
(In Amos off course)

It can be found on http://svrc.it.uq.edu.au/~richard/download/B_p_ctrl.lha


Thanks to the developers of Amos Pro,
The GUI Extension and the LDOS extension.


If there is somebody who can make an Amos extension for B&P,
your very welcome.


Steven Maes







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From: "Eric Molyneux" <eric_molyneux@lineone.net>

Hi Everyone,
                thanks to those who congratulated me on having my game
included on the AFCD, after sending it off I upgraded my Amiga with extra
fast RAM and found that the game run like the clappers so I assume it needs
to be run under (no fast mem). Thanks to everyone.
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From: Andrew Crowe <andrewcrowe@enterprise.net>

Hi Everybody,

>                thanks to those who congratulated me on having my game
> included on the AFCD,

   I just got my copy of it this moring, well done :)

> after sending it off I upgraded my Amiga with extra
> fast RAM and found that the game run like the clappers so I assume it needs
> to be run under (no fast mem). Thanks to everyone.

   Yep, on my 040 that's an understatement :)  You know, I've found a little way of controling the speed so it runs at the same speed on any amiga (just at a different jirkyness :)  If you like I'll dig out the example I did a while ago :) 

   Anyway, keep up the good work.


PS. Is it me, or has it been rather quiet round here lately? Has everyone finally reached AMOS nirvana?  :)

See ya :)
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Hello Pietro,
  How did things go for you and AMOS at the Pianeta fair?  If there is
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From: Rune Keller <keller@vip.cybercity.dk>

It seems that there are a lot of troubles with AMOS viruses out there. If
anyone can help this guy, please do so.

*** Forwarded message, originally written by Alex van Niel on 21-Sep-99 ***

Hi Rune J. Keller,

I am the code of VirusCheckerII and for a while now we have been pestered
by Amos viruses that are not only annoying since they are viruses, but also
because they are so badly written it crashes the system hard. Now, I have
seen crashes cuased by viruses which were intended, these wer defintely
not. The problem however is that we have been encountering specific
problems and occurances with these viruses but couldn`t quite find out what
it was since most of the stuff is Amos language. Disassembling didn`t
really help and so the only way we could figure out Amos viruses work is by
merely testing them. 
If we however could decompile an Amos program, we could take a look inside
those viruses and write better and Amos friendly recogs. Now it happens too
ften that some recogs are either false or very weak (based on little
information or easily aletrable data)
Now here is my question: is there a decompiler for Amos programs and if so,
could you please point me in the direction of either the program or someone
who can help me on this subject. You would be preventing virus investation
in other peoples systems and therefore helping the Amiga community
immensely. If I would have to pay for this decompiler, I probably would,
but just let me know if, when, where and how I can come by this compiler.


Greetings,

    Alex van Niel

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From: Andrew Crowe <andrewcrowe@enterprise.net>

Hi Everybody,

> I am the code of VirusCheckerII and for a while now we have been pestered
> by Amos viruses that are not only annoying since they are viruses, but also
> because they are so badly written it crashes the system hard. Now, I have
> seen crashes cuased by viruses which were intended, these wer defintely
> not. The problem however is that we have been encountering specific
> problems and occurances with these viruses but couldn`t quite find out what
> it was since most of the stuff is Amos language. Disassembling didn`t
> really help and so the only way we could figure out Amos viruses work is by
> merely testing them. 
> If we however could decompile an Amos program, we could take a look inside
> those viruses and write better and Amos friendly recogs. Now it happens too
> ften that some recogs are either false or very weak (based on little
> information or easily aletrable data)
> Now here is my question: is there a decompiler for Amos programs and if so,
> could you please point me in the direction of either the program or someone
> who can help me on this subject. You would be preventing virus investation
> in other peoples systems and therefore helping the Amiga community
> immensely. If I would have to pay for this decompiler, I probably would,
> but just let me know if, when, where and how I can come by this compiler.

   Well, in theory a de-compiler would be possible, but in practice it would be near impossible due to the infinite combinations of different extentions / Amos versions. Also, what about shareware amos programs? With a decompiler anyone could go into it and remove the copy protection, basically pirating it with no effort at all!

   And, how would that help distinguish real amos programs with viruses? It would be impossible to tell a small amos progam from a trojan, and what if it mistook a real amos program for one? what would the author of that think?



   I think the best thing to do about amos viruses is to make the virus checker search for the ' amos' task, and if found say 'Warning! Amos program found, it /could/ be a rather badly written virus!!' and have it keep a record of all the known ones.
 

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> It seems that there are a lot of troubles with AMOS viruses out there. If
> anyone can help this guy, please do so.
>
> *** Forwarded message, originally written by Alex van Niel on 21-Sep-99
***
>
> Hi Rune J. Keller,
>
> I am the code of VirusCheckerII and for a while now we have been pestered
> by Amos viruses that are not only annoying since they are viruses, but
also
> because they are so badly written it crashes the system hard. Now, I have

I'm impressed if someone really wrote a virus in amos.  Can you please send
me a copy of this ?  What sort of virus ?  A trojan most likely ?  Worm
perhaps ?   This I gotta see.


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From: Andrew Crowe <andrewcrowe@enterprise.net>

Hi Everybody,

> I'm impressed if someone really wrote a virus in amos.  Can you please send
> me a copy of this ?  What sort of virus ?  A trojan most likely ?  Worm
> perhaps ?   This I gotta see.
 
   The only type of virus I see could be written in amos is a trojan that deletes some important files etc.  Not really much of a virus

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From: Rune Keller <keller@vip.cybercity.dk>

Please notice that the AMOS Virus-message was NOT written by me!

It's a letter I received from a Dutch anti-vira guy, which I agreed to forward
to the list.

If you want to know more about the thing, then please contact him personally
(his e-mail was in my first message).
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From: F1 Software <mushypd@redrose.net>

At 06:41 PM 9/22/99 +0000, you wrote:

>   I think the best thing to do about amos viruses is to make the virus c=
>hecker search for the ' amos' task, and if found say 'Warning! Amos progr=
>am found, it /could/ be a rather badly written virus!!' and have it keep =
>a record of all the known ones.

If its compiled with GUI extension, the AMOS marker is deleted so infinite
programs can be ran at the same time.

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From: "Keith Hill" <Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk>

> I'm impressed if someone really wrote a virus in amos.  Can you please
send
> me a copy of this ?  What sort of virus ?  A trojan most likely ?  Worm
> perhaps ?   This I gotta see.

   The only type of virus I see could be written in amos is a trojan that
deletes some important files etc.  Not really much of a virus

My thoughts exactly.  If someone has done something impressive though....
Highly unlikly.  Methinks it is a "media virus".


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From: "Rev. Giark To You" <giark@golden.net>

I've been away for a while because of the dreaded downfall. Yup, I got a real
job.

But, bonus fact, because of the job, I was able to put together my a1200
tower. A few more tinkering sessions and it will be a full on tower. Still
need extension cable for df0 and a front on/off switch.
 
Well met and godspeed,
                      Rev. Giark
                                             ICQ 12235820
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From: "GarfieldAtWork" <garfield@dtgrp.com>

>From: "Rev. Giark To You" <giark@golden.net>
>I've been away for a while because of the dreaded downfall.
>Yup, I got a real job.


   Wow!  A REAL job!!  Congratulations!!

Garfield


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From: Ashley Clarke <ashley@a-clarke.demon.co.uk>

I'd like to be able to use ICQ to contact fellow Amos'ers too.
I managed to get StrICQ to work alright this week apart from 
Mirabilis has altered the ICQ system so that you can't obtain
a new UIN with it, therefore I still haven't been able to use
the ICQ network yet. Any suggestions?

I always read this list although my own contributions are seldome;
experts here answer the questions admirably!
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From: "Rev. Giark To You" <giark@golden.net>

On 23-Sep-99, Ashley Clarke wrote:
>Mirabilis has altered the ICQ system so that you can't obtain
>a new UIN with it,

They did?

mclaughd@kda.attmil.ne.jp 

Try sending mail there to see what is up.

Well met and godspeed,
                      Rev. Giark
                                             ICQ 12235820
                                          giark@golden.net
                                     12235820@pager.mirabilis.com
                                      http://24.112.23.20/~giark/
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From: "Rev. Giark To You" <giark@golden.net>

On 23-Sep-99, GarfieldAtWork wrote:
>>Yup, I got a real job.
>   Wow!  A REAL job!!  Congratulations!!

Thanks. Got a drive cable today - free. Nice guys at the computer store near
work. I am now back to where I was before the project started, only in a tower
case.

Well met and godspeed,
                      Rev. Giark
                                             ICQ 12235820
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Hello Andrew

On 21-Sep-99, you wrote:

> PS. Is it me, or has it been rather quiet round here lately? Has everyone
> finally reached AMOS nirvana? :)

I'm still here reading the mails.

I'm feeling a lack of creative (AMOS) motivation lately. Also the afb-ot
mailing list is taking up a lot of my available Amiga time.

Glad that you are still finding time to be so creative Andrew.

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>On 23-Sep-99, Ashley Clarke wrote:
>>Mirabilis has altered the ICQ system so that you can't obtain
>>a new UIN with it,

>They did?

>mclaughd@kda.attmil.ne.jp 

>Try sending mail there to see what is up.

-- 
The information was received from the authors of StrICQ when I found it didn't
work.
"mclaughd@kda.attmil.ne.jp", is another author contact isn't it?
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G'day all
                 It's been a while since i have actually got
programming in amos again, and i was wondering if anybody could help
me in regards to getting amospro to work with aga or even (god forbid)
rtg.  I am starting to write a game and it would be so much better if
i could have 256 colour screens.  I have heard of a few aga extensions
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Any info would be most appreciated.

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From: Andrew Crowe <andrewcrowe@enterprise.net>

Hi Everybody,
>                 It's been a while since i have actually got
> programming in amos again, and i was wondering if anybody could help
> me in regards to getting amospro to work with aga or even (god forbid)
> rtg.  I am starting to write a game and it would be so much better if
> i could have 256 colour screens.  I have heard of a few aga extensions
> for amos, but do they support bobs etc...???  Is there a simple, easy
> extension that i can use to enable me to open and use 256 colour
> screens??  What about amos in conjunction with cybergraphx?  Is that

   Well, I've got into using the Intuition Extention. It lets you open 256 aga/rtg screens. 

   It doesn't support bobs directly, but it can copy parts of amos screens and icons to the pub screen (unfortunatly only 64 colours though), and I've got it to draw a few 'bobs'.

   unfortunatly it doesn't support 24bit palette though.


> possible, or is this stuff that will be included in the new version of
> amos???

   New version of amos? Yeah, we'd be lucky :)

See ya :)
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From:   "Sasu Lintula" <samali@utu.fi>

Hi,

just letting you all know that Pinball CK developement continues after a little delay (I had to make a pc-cd rom for a finnish underground comic- strip mag, sigh). 

I have changed from Amos Classic to Pro  'cause of excellent AMCAF-extension:9 I just have to find compiler for it somewhere...

There's been quite quiet in this list. Have you been depressed because of that Gateway-mess (mee too:P) or what?

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From: Andrew Crowe <andrewcrowe@enterprise.net>

Hi Everybody,

> just letting you all know that Pinball CK developement continues after a little delay (I had to make a pc-cd rom for a finnish underground comic- strip mag, sigh). 

   Excellent :)
 
> I have changed from Amos Classic to Pro  'cause of excellent AMCAF-extension:9 I just have to find compiler for it somewhere...

   Amos Pro is far better anyway :)   Anyway, if you're after the compiler then you could ask around, I would send you mine, but I can't find it's disks, and it's spralled across my AmosPro drawer (or, I think you can buy it from the Amos factory or something)

> There's been quite quiet in this list. Have you been depressed because of that Gateway-mess (mee too:P) or what?

   Nah, I rekon it's because everyone's either got board of AMOS, or we've all reached AMOS nirvana or something :)

See ya :)
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From: Palle Larsen <p.larsen@vip.cybercity.dk>

Hi Andrew!

Den 30-Sep-99 skrev Andrew Crowe:


AC>> There's been quite quiet in this list. Have you been depressed because
AC>> of that Gateway-mess (mee too:P) or what?
AC> 
AC>   Nah, I rekon it's because everyone's either got board of AMOS, or
AC> we've all reached AMOS nirvana or something :)

Or waiting for the new Gui.extension, maby it should be named the MELLINIUM
edition ;))


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