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On 29-Oct-98 10:13:53 my search for intelligent life turned up this
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 SDM> From: "Scooter D. Matott sXe" <sdmatott@midway.uchicago.edu>


 SDM>   You Can Replace the battery on a 3000, but doing so involves
 SDM>   yanking out your mother board and sodering the old battery off 
 SDM>   and the new one on from bottom side of your MB.  All in all a   
 SDM>   ridiculous amount of work.

 SDM>           Thanks,
 SDM>               Scott Matott sXe

So you are suggesting that I just let it rot?


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[SNIP] 
>  SDM>   You Can Replace the battery on a 3000, but doing so involves
[SNIP]

Is their any way to make the clock run off the power from the PSU?

I don't understand why Amiga clocks don't work that way normally, so if
the power gos out you'll have to reset your Amiga clock with all the 
other clocks in your house BIG FUCKING WHOOP 'T' DUE it's better then
having to fuck with dead batteries!

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	>Eric Hyland <a007193t@bc.seflin.org> wrote:

	>>  SDM>   You Can Replace the battery on a 3000, but doing so
involves

	>Is their any way to make the clock run off the power from the PSU?

	It does when you've got your computer ON.

	>I don't understand why Amiga clocks don't work that way normally,
so if
	>the power gos out you'll have to reset your Amiga clock with all
the 
	>other clocks in your house BIG FUCKING WHOOP 'T' DUE it's better
then
	>having to fuck with dead batteries!

	Remove the battery and you'll get what you want. ;-)

		Magnus

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<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Remove the battery =
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Hello, all !

It seems that my old Amos 1.34 does not like my blizzard 030/50+32Fast.
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Anyone knows about this bug ? Is there a fix ? Am I getting nut ?

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From: David Brian Hayes <dbh02@students.stir.ac.uk>

I`m a student at Stirling University, and I am wanting to earn myself a
little extra cash! I am into personal electronics, and have wanted to
write a PCB creator for some time. I turned to my good old faithful Amos
Pro, while I had an A500, and the programming started to pick up pace.
The things that I wanted to happen, were working.
Then I got an A1200!!! Great I thought, this should speed up my creation
of the program, but it has stopped it dead in it`s tracks!
 On an A500, when I do a "Screen Open 0,640,512,16,Hires+Laced" it
opened up a hires-laced screen, yet the same command on an A1200 opens
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 On an A500, when I did a screen print with sizing options, it printed
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Hello David

On 01-Nov-98 David Brian Hayes wrote:

> From: David Brian Hayes <dbh02@students.stir.ac.uk>
> 
> of the program, but it has stopped it dead in it`s tracks!
> On an A500, when I do a "Screen Open 0,640,512,16,Hires+Laced" it
> opened up a hires-laced screen, yet the same command on an A1200 opens
> up a hires screen only, no laced. This is a bit of a bummer! But wait

This problem has actually been fixed :)
So go to this address:  http://www.seta.it/amos    (The AMOS Factory)
And there you'll find the latest update with the interlaced screens fix
and the limit bob fix ;)

> there`s more;-
> On an A500, when I did a screen print with sizing options, it printed
> the screen in the write dimensions on my printer, yet on an A1200, my
> computer gets a guru-meditation error something like 800000004 or
> something. Can anyone out there in Amos land help?

Don't know about that. I don't use AMOS to print.

> Dave Hayes


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From: Andrew Crowe <andrewcrowe@enterprise.net>

Hi Everybody,

> of the program, but it has stopped it dead in it`s tracks!
> On an A500, when I do a "Screen Open 0,640,512,16,Hires+Laced" it
> opened up a hires-laced screen, yet the same command on an A1200 opens
> up a hires screen only, no laced. This is a bit of a bummer!

This is a bug with the old AMOS library and OS3.1

   There's a fixed version in 

http://users.cybercity.dk/~ccc21504/amos/front.html


> But wait
> there`s more;-
> On an A500, when I did a screen print with sizing options, it printed
> the screen in the write dimensions on my printer, yet on an A1200, my
> computer gets a guru-meditation error something like 800000004 or
> something. Can anyone out there in Amos land help?

Not sure on this one. It could be your printer driver? Does it print out
other things fine on your A1200.

   My old A1200 got busted and it hang up every time it tried to access
the printer.

   If you like you could send me the printing routines and I'll test
them on my A1200.


See ya.
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From: "Scooter D. Matott sXe" <sdmatott@midway.uchicago.edu>

> 
> So you are suggesting that I just let it rot?
>  - Rand

	No not at all, what I was suggesting was to just yank the dead
battery out and not bother replacing it. 
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From: Andrew Crowe <andrewcrowe@enterprise.net>

Hi Everybody,

>> 
>> So you are suggesting that I just let it rot?
>>  - Rand

>     No not at all, what I was suggesting was to just yank the dead
> battery out and not bother replacing it. 
>     Scott sXe

   Heres a little trick I used when I had an accelerator with no
battery:


   I used Synclock every time I wen't online, that way my email always
showed the right time.

   Of cource, its easier to have a battery backed up clock.... but no if
its leakin! 

See ya.
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On Mon, 2 Nov 1998 Magnus.Sjoberg@asdo.se wrote:

> 	>Eric Hyland <a007193t@bc.seflin.org> wrote:
> 
> 	>>  SDM>   You Can Replace the battery on a 3000, but doing so
> involves
> 
> 	>Is their any way to make the clock run off the power from the PSU?
> 
> 	It does when you've got your computer ON.
> 
> 	>I don't understand why Amiga clocks don't work that way normally,
> so if
> 	>the power gos out you'll have to reset your Amiga clock with all
> the 
> 	>other clocks in your house BIG FUCKING WHOOP 'T' DUE it's better
> then
> 	>having to fuck with dead batteries!
> 
> 	Remove the battery and you'll get what you want. ;-)
> 
> 		Magnus
> 

Doesn't that cause the clock PRAM to clear when you turn off your Amiga?

I was thinking more like connecting up the PSU with the battery terminals,
or maybe an external AC to DC converter.

Please stop using HTML.

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From: "John Glanville" <John.Glanville@btinternet.com>

BUT HEY! I AM! IM BACK! SORRY TO YOU ALL FOR MY DISAPEARANCE! BUT NOW IM
BACK....
Yey! I bet your head over heels!!! * Sarcastic tone in my voice if you didnt
notice! *
Any way! I have been working on what started out as a test demo to send to
you who are interested in showing AF what we can do.... But I then decided
to add to it and now its big! I'm having dificulty setting it up to send to
people.. So just stick with me okay!!! Its about 12 minutes long at the mo.
and it still doesnt have everything with it... Which is where i need all you
guys... or Gals! As an email while back brought up that there are such
things as female programmers...! Anyway I would like everyone to send or
atleast tell me what i can add to the demo... if you dont want your source
code to be seen I'll try and send you the demo and you can add your code...
It is still in the begging stages and still has bugs but hey! I'm only a
carbon based lifeform so you gotta give me some time! I will try and get it
ready for my next email and along with that i will send anysource code
people asked for... Sorry Nikola Smolen and Stephen I know i said id send
stuff but im hopless when it comes to organising myself and as i've been
very busy recently with getting a job, college and so forth i will send it!
trust me!

Well If anyone wants to contribute please do... And If anyone wants to tell
me to go and Helloworld then Sure! See if i care! So howdly folks and See ya
coz i gota go... But Hey! Whats this DEATH thing anyway!

Oh before i forget ... Stephen That Amos Pic was for me okay! I have no idea
what i want just something that looks good and says amos... preferably in
the 3rd dimention... So you do whatever you think looks good as you said
your the guy for the 3D... You think in waves right or is that just your
imagine-ation!!!!!

Anyway Bye everyone... What is in the Demo So far....
Contributors so far... Nikola Smolenski
                               Phil Glanville
                               Andi Allen
                               James
                               Stephen... The 3D guy!

Cool Text introduction.... With strange mod!
Spotlight and Tinting Bobs on Text with dance Track!!!
Line and drawing effects...
Colour Effects along to Sash! With Hbrite Scrolling text!
fake3D Pixels and Cubes That dance to RobertMiles Children! Hehe! Cool!
Picture Distortion! and FireWorks Type Stuff!
Lens Distortion.... 3D Cubes.... 2D Shade clusters... Working on the 3D
version!
workbench Fading...... Ps. Does anyone know how to flip between Workbench
And Amos without a flicker?
Gui Windows that bounce!
And I'm working on Smoke Lettering... But its difficult!

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> Eric Hyland <a007193t@bc.seflin.org> wrote:
> 
	>> 	>>  SDM>   You Can Replace the battery on a 3000, but doing
so
	>> involves
	>> 
	>> 	>Is their any way to make the clock run off the power from
the PSU?
	>> 
	>> 	It does when you've got your computer ON.
	>> 
	>> 	>I don't understand why Amiga clocks don't work that way
normally,
	>> so if
	>> 	>the power gos out you'll have to reset your Amiga clock
with all
	>> the 
	>> 	>other clocks in your house BIG FUCKING WHOOP 'T' DUE it's
better
	>> then
	>> 	>having to fuck with dead batteries!
	>> 
	>> 	Remove the battery and you'll get what you want. ;-)
	>> 

	>Doesn't that cause the clock PRAM to clear when you turn off your
Amiga?

	Of course.

	>I was thinking more like connecting up the PSU with the battery
terminals,
	>or maybe an external AC to DC converter.

	An external backup-system? Personally I don't think you should
	bother with the PSU. You can't turn half of it off without a lot of
	extra switches. And connecting an AC/DC converter involvs
	as much soldering as changing the battery, I guess.
	My suggestion is that you mount a battery-"holder" (Sorry, but I
don't
	know the english word for it) so you can change battery more easily
	in the future. Also, if the battery starts to leak, the acid won't
get anywere.

	>Please stop using HTML.

	I wish I could. But there's no option in Outlook97 (NOT Outlook
Express)
	to do so. I've tried everything I could think of.
	I'm sorry, really, but...
	If anyone on the list could assist, I'd be greatful.

		Magnus

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Remove the battery and you'll get what you want. ;-)</FONT>
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<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt;</FONT><FONT =
COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Doesn't that cause the clock =
PRAM to clear when you turn off your Amiga?</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Of course.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt;</FONT><FONT =
COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">I was thinking more like =
connecting up the PSU with the battery terminals,</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt;</FONT><FONT =
COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">or maybe an external AC to DC =
converter.</FONT>
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<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">An external =
backup-system? Personally I don't think you should</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">bother with the =
PSU. You can't turn half of it off without a lot of</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">extra switches. And =
connecting an AC/DC converter involvs</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">as much soldering =
as changing the battery, I guess.</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">My suggestion is =
that you mount a battery-&quot;holder&quot; (Sorry, but I don't</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">know the english =
word for it) so you can change battery more easily</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">in the future. =
Also, if the battery starts to leak, the acid won't get anywere.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt;</FONT><FONT =
COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Please stop using =
HTML.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">I wish I could. But =
there's no option in Outlook97 (NOT Outlook Express)</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">to do so. I've =
tried everything I could think of.</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">I'm sorry, really, =
but...</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">If anyone on the =
list could assist, I'd be greatful.</FONT>
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<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" =
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I use...

	Screen Open 0,640,512,16,Hires Or Laced

...in AMOSPro v2.0 running on my A1200 and I have no problems with that.
Use "Or" instead of "+". This may solve the problem. Because the screen
mode has some spesific bits to be "Or"'ed and addition doesn't give the
same result.

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Thanx to * de jong * and Andrew Crowe for the link, I downloaded the
file, and it works fine, and a belated thankyou to
km97y019@mobydick.cc.itu
However, I`m still left with the printer problem, whereby I cannot print
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 Many thanks to these people for offering to compile my AMOS program. I
choose Stephen Thornber at random to do my compiling, but thankyou to all.

Martin Mller     amiga@software.dk
Neil Ives         neil.ives@bt.com
Magnus ?          magnus.sjoberg@asdo.se
Stephen Thornber  SThornber@steve1.demon.co.uk

 I hope you people don`t mind me including your EMail address', they could
come in use if anyone else needs any AMOS software compiled!?

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On 03-Nov-98, * de Jong * wrote:
>From: * de Jong * <joopdejong@wxs.nl>

>> Dave Hayes
>Mark de Jong - Member of Team*Amiga* & Team*AMOS*

>IRC : Niceguy on #amiganl, #am!ga & #amos
>ICQ: 16523430
>URL: http://fly.to/AmigaHeaven

#am!ga still exists ?
Wasnt it finished when StoneCold and Dor got banned from the net ?
(although he is back now...but stone is still gone ;)

Speaking of IRC, #amos only ever has a small few people there ;(
when your online you should pay a visit to #amos on IRCNET
(irc.stealth.net/irc.bt.net), there are still many amos coders
which arn't on this list that hang out there. Thats where I got
the 'AMOS Optimizer' (which I have now lost ;( ).

cya,
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Hi.


>What are the concrete plans for amos-pc?

Surely it would be PCOS...?  not AMOS.?  ;)


Steve

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On 01-Nov-98, David Brian Hayes wrote:

DH> On an A500, when I did a screen print with sizing options, it printed
DH> the screen in the write dimensions on my printer, yet on an A1200, my
DH> computer gets a guru-meditation error something like 800000004 or
DH> something. Can anyone out there in Amos land help?

You should get fixed version of AMOSPro_IOPorts.Lib at
http://home8.inet.tele.dk/top_cat/lha/ioports.lha

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What are the concrete plans for amos-pc?
Is anyone working on it?
I have some very good ideas wich are all realisable...

Let me know!

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Hi Everybody,

> Thanx to * de jong * and Andrew Crowe for the link, I downloaded the

#   #No prob ;)

> However, I`m still left with the printer problem, whereby I cannot
print
> screens out at specific sizes, any further thoughts?

   If you send the exact command that you use to print it (Printer Dump
blah,blah,blah I guess) then I could have a look at it.



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From: * de Jong * <joopdejong@wxs.nl>

Hello Peter

On 08-Jan-78 Peter Cahill wrote:

(Get your clock fixed Peter ;))

> From: Peter Cahill <cahill4@iol.ie>
> 
> On 03-Nov-98, * de Jong * wrote:
>> From: * de Jong * <joopdejong@wxs.nl>
> 
>>> Dave Hayes
>> Mark de Jong - Member of Team*Amiga* & Team*AMOS*
> 
>> IRC : Niceguy on #amiganl, #am!ga & #amos
>> ICQ: 16523430
>> URL: http://fly.to/AmigaHeaven
> 
> #am!ga still exists ?
> Wasnt it finished when StoneCold and Dor got banned from the net ?
> (although he is back now...but stone is still gone ;)

Yep, I discovered it a few months before they dissapeared
(when I still wasn't very active on IRC).
There are still some guys from time to time.

> Speaking of IRC, #amos only ever has a small few people there ;(

Well, there always seen to be a bunch of Germans who come
to 'see' Citrone ;) and some tori-amos fan people who join and leave
after finding out it's not about tori-amos, but there are enough real
AMOS users on the channel to not call it dead ;)

Speaking of #amos, was it started by Digital and Cosmo (ville ranke) ?

> when your online you should pay a visit to #amos on IRCNET
> (irc.stealth.net/irc.bt.net), there are still many amos coders
> which arn't on this list that hang out there. Thats where I got
> the 'AMOS Optimizer' (which I have now lost ;( ).

You're right, everyone should go there ;)


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> I've been using AMOS Pro for a while now, 

Leto, what kind of programs have you written?


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From: "Rune J. Keller" <keller@vip.cybercity.dk>

Just a short note to tell you, that I've moved the Amos Factory to Xoom. This
means, that the new URL for the site is:

http://members.xoom.com/AmosFactory

You can still reach it through the old URLs, though.

The move to Xoom has been done to obtain more space (11MB prior to 2MB) and
allowing more people to work on the site. First of all this means that Jens
Vang Petersen will now join the site, with his extension page. Thus allowing
you to download and read about all the extensions for Amos. This will be
completed in the very near future.

Thanks.

-- 
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Greetings to all
	I've updated my AMOS site. The URL is

	http://mobydick.cc.itu.edu.tr/~km97y019

feel free to criticize.

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Hi

I remember some guy said that he was doing a demo to show AF what amos
can really do, I offered to contribute, but I dont recall getting a reply,
Was the demo canceled or something ?

bYe!
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From: Peter Cahill <cahill4@iol.ie>

On 05-Nov-98, Stephen Thornber wrote:
>From: Stephen Thornber <SThornber@steve1.demon.co.uk>



>Hi.

>No I don't have an a500

>as you can see in my sig I have a rather healthy
>a1200 030/42.7 MMU FPU + 35mb Ram

>:)

42.7 ?sounds like youve clocked it 8o)
The reason for ST2 not working for more than 2 mins,
is more than likely coz of being a Apollo board (if it is ?)

Apollo boards dont like AMOS afaik. if you wanted ST2 to work,
just disable the board boot without startup sequence, and
run it from dos.

(I dont have a apollo card, but it should work)
            
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Hi.

>After a long absence from the list, I'm back and ST3 is rolling along. I've
>almost finished the module editor. SoloTrekIII is no longer just a star trek
>simulator. I've managed to make a car wars style module for it. The
>possibilities are huge. There's some info on the amos pages. Soon, I will have
>the FBN website back up and you will be able to check out more of the info, as
>well as grabbing the fine FBN products there for dl.

I hope ST3 is more stable than ST2.. ;)

I never got to play it for more than 2mins without it crashing.. :(
a great shame too, because it looks like a brilliant game.

Steve 


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Hello, everybody.

I've just finished a demo without pretention, and I would like to upload
it on the Aminet archive.

What directory do you suggest me for that ?

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On 03-Nov-98, David Brian Hayes smashed the keyboard with:
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> 
> Thanx to * de jong * and Andrew Crowe for the link, I downloaded the
> file, and it works fine, and a belated thankyou to
> km97y019@mobydick.cc.itu
> However, I`m still left with the printer problem, whereby I cannot print
> screens out at specific sizes, any further thoughts?

This problem belongs to the IO-extension that handles all printer
operations in AMOS Pro. When you call 'Printer Dump' there are
several various ways of calling, the longest (and most valuable
version) however crashes due to a stack-handling error in the
extension. I've managed to hack the extension with a simple hex-
editor and simply removed the troubled part (no the best solve,
but it works) I uploaded the thing to the list some time ago, but
it appears that most readers didn't notice, so here it is again ;-)

(Just copy it over the old one in APsystem..)
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On 04-Nov-98, floquet wrote:

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f> What directory do you suggest me for that ?

If you are going to upload it with source, then definitely dev/amos .. If
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Thanx to everyone who provided me with information. I now have the the
screens working in interlace, and the computer doesn`t crash after each
print. This means that I should be able to start to program my PCB
designer soon. I will keep the list posted about this!

Once again, thanx everyone!


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After a long absence from the list, I'm back and ST3 is rolling along. I've
almost finished the module editor. SoloTrekIII is no longer just a star trek
simulator. I've managed to make a car wars style module for it. The
possibilities are huge. There's some info on the amos pages. Soon, I will have
the FBN website back up and you will be able to check out more of the info, as
well as grabbing the fine FBN products there for dl.
 
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Hi.

No I don't have an a500

as you can see in my sig I have a rather healthy
a1200 030/42.7 MMU FPU + 35mb Ram

:)

oh

and an 060+Tower coming soon..

Steve

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Hi

>42.7 ?sounds like youve clocked it 8o)
>The reason for ST2 not working for more than 2 mins,
>is more than likely coz of being a Apollo board (if it is ?)

hehe nope it came @ 42.7 :) but I'm not complaining.

and I'm not running an apollo board, I'm using a 
Magnum Mk2, although I may be using an apollo soon, 
(my 060 may be an apollo)

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On 04-Nov-98, Stephen Thornber wrote:
>I hope ST3 is more stable than ST2.. ;)
>I never got to play it for more than 2mins without it crashing.. :(
>a great shame too, because it looks like a brilliant game.

Do you have a stock a500 or something?

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On 05-Nov-98, Andrew Crowe wrote:
>From: Andrew Crowe <andrewcrowe@enterprise.net>

>Hi Everybody,

Hi

>> I remember some guy said that he was doing a demo to show AF what amos
>> can really do, I offered to contribute, but I dont recall getting a
>reply,
>> Was the demo canceled or something ?

>   I offered to do some programming 4 it, but to be honest, Amos isn't
>capable of very spectacular effects anymore.

>   We may as well wait for TGE to come out.
                                                            
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You need optimized asm for that kinda stuff. Unless
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Hi Everybody,

> I remember some guy said that he was doing a demo to show AF what amos
> can really do, I offered to contribute, but I dont recall getting a
reply,
> Was the demo canceled or something ?

   I offered to do some programming 4 it, but to be honest, Amos isn't
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   We may as well wait for TGE to come out.

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On 05-Nov-98, Stephen Thornber wrote:
>From: Stephen Thornber <SThornber@steve1.demon.co.uk>



>Hi

>>42.7 ?sounds like youve clocked it 8o)
>>The reason for ST2 not working for more than 2 mins,
>>is more than likely coz of being a Apollo board (if it is ?)

>hehe nope it came @ 42.7 :) but I'm not complaining.

>and I'm not running an apollo board, I'm using a 
>Magnum Mk2, although I may be using an apollo soon, 
>(my 060 may be an apollo)
      
>From what I have heard about them, the magnum or blizzard may
be better, Ive heard of them not been so 'system-friendly' as they disable
some of your hardware and they also dont work with various programs.

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Hi


>ST2 runs fine on my 1230/50, too. It may be that you didn't get the aga fix
>for it. The aga graphic file got corrupted in the original somehow.

That could be my problem.!

Do you have a web site that I can d/l the full working
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From: "Rev. Giark To You" <giark@hicksville.dyn.ml.org>

On 10-Jan-78, Peter Cahill wrote:
>The reason for ST2 not working for more than 2 mins,
>is more than likely coz of being a Apollo board (if it is ?)

Could be.

>(I dont have a apollo card, but it should work)

ST2 runs fine on my 1230/50, too. It may be that you didn't get the aga fix
for it. The aga graphic file got corrupted in the original somehow.

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From: Leto Kauler <letok@netspace.net.au>


Hey! Someone actually got my email and it wasn't all
gobble-de-gook! Cool!

In reply to what I program: My latest achievement has been a game
called "explosiveCHAOS" -- a bomber / dynablaster type game....
it's good... well, okay at least... the demo can be found on
Aminet with a search for "echaos"

I'm planning on a "eCHAOS_2".... but I don't know if i'll be able
to program it well enuf :^/

So chek it out every1 -- i'd appreciate comments!

Leto :)

.................

WWW   - http://surf.to/starfish
      - http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Metro/4280/

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Hello, all.

I've just uploaded Old-Fx, the demo I wrote. If I did everything well,
it will be soon in the drawer demo/file.

You can see another product I did in game/gag.
It is a very little game where you have to send pies in Bill Gate's
face.
http://src.doc.ic.ac.uk/public/aminet/info/www/dirs/aminet/game/gag/piebill.lha
(or any mirror)
The .readme file is absolutely weird, I typed it on a Mac, and the
carriage returns are not recognised by Aminet. Well, there is nothing
important.

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>From: Peter Cahill < cahill4@iol.ie <mailto:cahill4@iol.ie> >

>Hi

>I remember some guy said that he was doing a demo to show AF what amos

>can really do, I offered to contribute, but I dont recall getting a =
reply,

>Was the demo canceled or something ?

>bYe!

=A0

The guy whos doing about the demo for AF is my mate it aint cancelled, =
he
aint answered any of my private emails either im gonna phone him and =
see if
like his parents kicked his ass for the size of his phone bill or =
somthing!
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he is a sad git send your code and i will give it to him attatched to a
brick!!!!
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Thanks



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From: "Rev. Giark To You" <giark@hicksville.dyn.ml.org>

On 05-Nov-98, Stephen Thornber wrote:
>>for it. The aga graphic file got corrupted in the original somehow.
>That could be my problem.!
>Do you have a web site that I can d/l the full working
>version from..??

Soon. I'm just getting the FBN site back in shape. You can get it from aminet:

game/think FBN-SOII.lha
game/think FBN-SFix.lha

Well met and godspeed,
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Hello everyone,

I have attatched some code that might be helpful to some beginners.

I hope you can forgive me for it being 40k in size;(

But after seeing someone's game, a bomberman clone, I had to send this code
so that they could see how it would be beter done. Plus, if anyone wants to
contact me about finishing off one of the games, then feel free :) 

Please tell me off if it's too big. I promise no more large files. 

I hope the code is good enough to let me off the hook ;)

Anyhow, See ya all soon,

and drop into #amos...Citrone and myself get lonely ;)

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My site is slowly coming back up. You can visit now, and you can download any
of the games files. I'm still adding the files back in, and I hope to have all
the other sections up sometime next week.

Bookmark this site:
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From: "Rev. Giark To You" <giark@hicksville.dyn.ml.org>

Since I've been MIA for a while, could I get an update on the news?

Status of:
CBATNAM?
TGE?
GUI Ext.?
AMOS DevCD?

Any other cool projects?

Thanks.
 
Well met and godspeed,
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-----Original Message-----
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Date: 06 November 1998 17:57
Subject: [amos-list] AF DEMO


>From: Peter Cahill < cahill4@iol.ie <mailto:cahill4@iol.ie> >

>Hi

>I remember some guy said that he was doing a demo to show AF what amos

>can really do, I offered to contribute, but I dont recall getting a reply,

>Was the demo canceled or something ?

>bYe!



The guy whos doing about the demo for AF is my mate it aint cancelled, he
aint answered any of my private emails either im gonna phone him and see if
like his parents kicked his ass for the size of his phone bill or somthing!

he is a sad git send your code and i will give it to him attatched to a
brick!!!!



Ha! Thanx Andi! Anyway sorry Folks about no mails for a while I've been
busy.. and i'm sorry about not replying i thought i had replied to all but..
I guess not... Sure whatever you can contribute will be great... send me
anything....! Dont worry Andi can have his brick back! I just havent been
replying coz i havent been downloading bcoz Andi... The git has been sending
massive mails and attachments as he has isdn and i don't!!!! So any way when
i get a free mo. I'll be back properley!

Meanwhile.. Thanx to all!!!! C-ya!

Bye! Phil!


Thanks



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>From: "Allen, Andrew" <Andrew_Allen@uscs.com>
>
>
>DIE FROTHEL DIE
>

Andi! I cant send you anything todo with the demo until its all together can
i? Anyway you saw it today! = 7

I send you stuff later... Calm down! Or I'll go and talk to sarah! = )
C-ya!

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From: "Declan Gorman" <declan_gorman@modusmedia.com>

I am having a problem when putting Amos Pro behind the workbench screen I
cannot get it back.  I reckon it is down to carelessness on my part but it
really pisses me off when I have to reboot or launch another copy of Amos
Pro and I usually lose what I just edited.

I know that left-Amiga A switches Amos Pro to front and back, but when this
does not work is there any other way?  Thanks in advance.

Declan.
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On 09-Nov-98, Declan Gorman wrote:
>I know that left-Amiga A switches Amos Pro to front and back,

Unless you've set it to something else. Q8-{)

> but when this
>does not work is there any other way?  Thanks in advance.

Try Ams, the command that came with eary versions of the GUI extension. It's
always worked for me.

Well met and godspeed,
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On 09-Nov-98, Rev. Giark To You wrote:
>From: "Rev. Giark To You" <giark@hicksville.dyn.ml.org>

>Since I've been MIA for a while, could I get an update on the news?

>Status of:

>TGE?

A Public beta coming out this sunday.

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From: Peter Cahill <cahill4@iol.ie>

On 09-Nov-98, Declan Gorman wrote:
>From: "Declan Gorman" <declan_gorman@modusmedia.com>

>I am having a problem when putting Amos Pro behind the workbench screen I
>cannot get it back.  I reckon it is down to carelessness on my part but it
>really pisses me off when I have to reboot or launch another copy of Amos
>Pro and I usually lose what I just edited.

>I know that left-Amiga A switches Amos Pro to front and back, but when this
>does not work is there any other way?  Thanks in advance.
    

Get the newest lib off the amos site, it has that bug fixed.


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On 09-Nov-98, John Glanville wrote:
>From: "John Glanville" <John.Glanville@btinternet.com>


Hiya!

>The guy whos doing about the demo for AF is my mate it aint cancelled, he
>aint answered any of my private emails either im gonna phone him and see if
>like his parents kicked his ass for the size of his phone bill or somthing!

>he is a sad git send your code and i will give it to him attatched to a
>brick!!!!


>Ha! Thanx Andi! Anyway sorry Folks about no mails for a while I've been
>busy.. and i'm sorry about not replying i thought i had replied to all but..
>I guess not...

Maybe you did reply, and I never read it ;o)

>Sure whatever you can contribute will be great

Well, I cant program amos this week, cos of TGE, as it will be
out for you lot to look at and use this sunday(only partical beta but
alot of features in it!). after then I can code for ya though!

I can promise Ben Vost's (in AF if thats his name) jaw to hit the
ground when my code is done :o)


>... send me anything....!

What I send will be a little more than 'Anything'.

>Dont worry Andi can have his brick back! I just havent been
>replying coz i havent been downloading bcoz Andi... The git has been sending
>massive mails and attachments as he has isdn and i don't!!!!

Someone tryed that once on me, then I sent them the entire linux archive
(300Megs+) and they havnt tryed since.

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Hi. 

Hey guys call me a dumb sod, but I've had to re-install 90%
of the stuff on my HD - Including AmosPro2 :(

(get to the point, stupid!)

heh okay..

anyway having reinstalled it all, I can't get the damn
gui compiler to work. :(

(v1.70)

according to the docs, I have to run a "patch", but I
can't find the damn patch prog anyway..
can anyone please tell me where I'm going wrong..

Steve [never buy a Maxtor HD..!!]


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-----Original Message-----
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>From: Stephen Thornber <SThornber@steve1.demon.co.uk>
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>
>
>Hi.
>
>
>>What are the concrete plans for amos-pc?
>
>Surely it would be PCOS...?  not AMOS.?  ;)
>

Hehehe, yeah, but pcos sound like... ehm sh*t :)
There has GOT to be a better name for it :)


>Steve
>

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Hi Everybody,

>> Surely it would be PCOS...?  not AMOS.?  ;)
>> 

> Hehehe, yeah, but pcos sound like... ehm sh*t :)
> There has GOT to be a better name for it :)

   I suggested PALL to the author.

its PALL for Pc Amos Like Language.


What do you think?


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Hi Andrew!

Den 09-Nov-98 skrev Andrew Crowe:


AC>    I suggested PALL to the author.
AC>  
AC>  its PALL for Pc Amos Like Language.
AC>  
AC>  
AC>  What do you think?

I like it, but PALLE for Pc Amos Like Language Editor, sounds much nicer ;))


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I've added the utility section to my site.
 
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From: Andrew Crowe <andrewcrowe@enterprise.net>

Hi Everybody,

>>    I suggested PALL to the author.
>>  
>>  its PALL for Pc Amos Like Language.
>>  
>>  
>>  What do you think?

> I like it, but PALLE for Pc Amos Like Language Editor, sounds much
nicer ;))
   
   Hmmm, I don't know, PALLE could be confusing to pronounce.

Could just be PAL, for Pc Amos-like Language. Then you couls have .PAL
files on a pc.


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YEAH TRY IT SEND YOUR LINUX ARCHIVE - I HAVE A SEPERATE MAIL SERVER AND =
ISDN
30 SO I WOULD NOT EVEN FEEL IT - BUT IT WOULD TAKE QUITE A WHILE TO =
ACTUALLY
SEND IT AND 3 MINS 4 ME TO DOWNLOAD!
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ANYWAY HERE IS ANOTHER BRICK FOR YOU PHIL !
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FROM WHAT I SAW OF THE DEMO AT YOUR PLACE THE OTHER DAY THERE IS ROOM =
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IMPROVEMENT ESPECIALLY BY USING OUR DMA CODE!
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Thanks



Andrew Allen - MIS

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-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Cahill [ mailto:cahill4@iol.ie <mailto:cahill4@iol.ie> ]
Sent: 08 November 1998 19:53
To: John Glanville
Subject: [amos-list] Re: AF DEMO


From: Peter Cahill <cahill4@iol.ie>

On 09-Nov-98, John Glanville wrote:
>From: "John Glanville" <John.Glanville@btinternet.com>


Hiya!

>The guy whos doing about the demo for AF is my mate it aint cancelled, =
he
>aint answered any of my private emails either im gonna phone him and =
see if
>like his parents kicked his ass for the size of his phone bill or =
somthing!

>he is a sad git send your code and i will give it to him attatched to =
a
>brick!!!!


>Ha! Thanx Andi! Anyway sorry Folks about no mails for a while I've =
been
>busy.. and i'm sorry about not replying i thought i had replied to all
but..
>I guess not...

Maybe you did reply, and I never read it ;o)

>Sure whatever you can contribute will be great

Well, I cant program amos this week, cos of TGE, as it will be
out for you lot to look at and use this sunday(only partical beta but
alot of features in it!). after then I can code for ya though!

I can promise Ben Vost's (in AF if thats his name) jaw to hit the
ground when my code is done :o)


>... send me anything....!

What I send will be a little more than 'Anything'.

>Dont worry Andi can have his brick back! I just havent been
>replying coz i havent been downloading bcoz Andi... The git has been
sending
>massive mails and attachments as he has isdn and i don't!!!!

Someone tryed that once on me, then I sent them the entire linux =
archive
(300Megs+) and they havnt tryed since.

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From: "Declan Gorman" <declan_gorman@modusmedia.com>

I have a cover disk version of Craft at home.  If I think of it tonight I
will have it for you, or anyone else that wants it, tomorrow.

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&:'螏ޞu騟(Hey, Leto Kauler , didn't you write?:
u>&h޶ZqzڻФРФwfR&VVG'rFvWB6W2BG2TG2FBFR6PЧFR2&2'WB6wB6VR7VvvW7FVB6FPЦ7Bf"FR7&gBS2FW&RFrV6PЧv6vFCРФWFРЫ{r{r{r{r{r{r{r{rpРХuurGG7W&bF7F&f6ТGGwwrvV6FW26&2WG&C#РФVWFvV6FW26Тw&GFVv

well ;)

I think Leto is asking for the craft extension..:) He needs to play samples
with a tracker playing with all channels used, you see :)

Jono (Expert in ߩ! ;) Nrybf)+-Z칻*mؠzh4Ibnȭ{ibܢfvǥym,z׫)~&z{j'y9r&

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From: Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk (Keith Hill) (Keith Hill)

To the one known as Rev.,

> From: "Rev. Giark To You" <giark@hicksville.dyn.ml.org>
> 
> Since I've been MIA for a while, could I get an update on the news?
> 
> Status of:
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My main hard disk physically died the other night.  Simultaneously, a 
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I may need the original code again.

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From: Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk (Keith Hill) (Keith Hill)

To the one known as Andrew,
> >>    I suggested PALL to the author.
> >>  its PALL for Pc Amos Like Language.
> >>  What do you think?
> > I like it, but PALLE for Pc Amos Like Language Editor, sounds much
> nicer ;))
>    Hmmm, I don't know, PALLE could be confusing to pronounce.

Actually, I quite like it..!

 
> Could just be PAL, for Pc Amos-like Language. Then you couls have .PAL
> files on a pc.

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From: "Rev. Giark To You" <giark@hicksville.dyn.ml.org>

On 10-Nov-98, Keith Hill wrote:
>> Status of:
>> CBATNAM?
>I may need the original code again.

Let me know. I still have it. 

Well met and godspeed,
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Okay, last message about this. My site is fully up again. You can find all my
games, demos, utilities and mods at

www.hicksville.dyn.ml.org/~fbn/

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Hi Everybody,


> well ;)

> I think Leto is asking for the craft extension..:) He needs to play
samples
> with a tracker playing with all channels used, you see :)
   
   You can't do that with craft, can you? surly he wants DOOM Music
Extention. Then you can play samples over tracker mods.

   /Or/

   I've managed to get Octamed multichannel mods working with only 2ch.
(with a large hack) leaving 2 channels free for sfx.



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>>> Surely it would be PCOS...?  not AMOS.?  ;)
>>>
>
>> Hehehe, yeah, but pcos sound like... ehm sh*t :)
>> There has GOT to be a better name for it :)
>
>   I suggested PALL to the author.
>
>its PALL for Pc Amos Like Language.
>
>
>What do you think?


Ehm, well, i personally think it should be a flashy name, not an
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From: "Michel Bijlsma" <cloak@xs4all.nl>

>
>>>    I suggested PALL to the author.
>>>
>>>  its PALL for Pc Amos Like Language.
>>>
>>>
>>>  What do you think?
>
>> I like it, but PALLE for Pc Amos Like Language Editor, sounds much
>nicer ;))
>
>   Hmmm, I don't know, PALLE could be confusing to pronounce.
>
>Could just be PAL, for Pc Amos-like Language. Then you couls have .PAL
>files on a pc.


But then you could confuse it with pallette files, wich bare the .PAL
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From: "Ives, Neil, IVESNJ" <neil.ives@bt.com>

> To the one known as Rev.,

>> From: "Rev. Giark To You" <giark@hicksville.dyn.ml.org>
>>
>> Since I've been MIA for a while, could I get an update on the news?
>>
>> Status of:
>> CBATNAM?

> My main hard disk physically died the other night.  Simultaneously, a
> clerical error deleted my website.  I'm not quite sure how much survived,
> I may need the original code again.

Perhaps the Reverand Giark could help you with that 'clerical' error!!!!

Neil Ives 

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From: Tony Gray <tony_gray@uk.ibm.com>

Hi everybody,

Just an introduction...
I've just started refamiliarising myself with Amos after a good 3-4 year
lay-off.

I'm still using my A500+ bought a good 7 years ago. I generally use it to 'mess
about'.
My programming skills (Amos or otherwise) are too clumsy to have produced
anything
spectacular but I still enjoy it. The only programs written to date are a
Trapeze type game
and a Q+A with pictures for identifying Silver hallmarks and Maker's marks.

My major problem is my imagination. I have lots of ideas for games but I can
never
stick at something long enough. I understand the techniques and theory behind
writing
computer programs. I just haven't got the discipline to stick to it. It's
probably a case
of enjoyment vs results.

Anyway, looking forward to checking out some of the discussions but don't
expect too
much from me on the technical side.

Thanks

Tony

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From: Zangiacomi Sylvain <szan@club-internet.fr>


    Hi you all,

 Today, I tried a small code on an Amiga with an Infinitiv keyboard 
interface to use with the original keyboard of this machine.

I tried this:

Do 
   A=0
   If Key State(16) Then Add A,1
   If Key State(17) Then Add A,2
   Print A
Loop 

On an AZERTY, pressing key A will print 1, B will print 2, and normally
pressing A and B together will print 3. 

But on this keyboard interface, it is only A or B, no way to detect
multi pressed keys.

Very bad for action games with keyboard. Is there a way to really test
the states of the keyboard (that was possible on my poor A500) ?

  Bye, Sylvain


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From: Andrew Crowe <andrewcrowe@enterprise.net>

Hi Everybody,

> Today, I tried a small code on an Amiga with an Infinitiv keyboard 
> interface to use with the original keyboard of this machine.

> I tried this:

> Do 
>   A=0
>   If Key State(16) Then Add A,1
>   If Key State(17) Then Add A,2
>   Print A
> Loop 

> On an AZERTY, pressing key A will print 1, B will print 2, and
normally
> pressing A and B together will print 3. 

> But on this keyboard interface, it is only A or B, no way to detect
> multi pressed keys.

> Very bad for action games with keyboard. Is there a way to really test
> the states of the keyboard (that was possible on my poor A500) ?

On many amigas, (like A1200), it can't detect more then one keypress on
the same row eg
.
on a qwerty keyboard, these keys don't work together:
qwertyuiop[] etc.

You'll have to make sure you map the keyboard carefully.

   (The cursor keys are a pain, each one conflicts with one of the main
rows ;(


See ya.
-- 
       Manta Soft  -  Amiga programing & web page designing
   Http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Gold/1713/         ICQ: 21829166
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From: Andrew Crowe <andrewcrowe@enterprise.net>

Hi Everybody,

> Can anyone tell me how to set the priority of a task, via
> AmosPro2..?

> I've combed through my Amos1.3 and EasyAmos Manuals and
> I can't find a command thats suitable. :(

> (I'm working on a gui that allows you to set the priority
> of Lightwave.)

> I could do with a command like 

> SetPri Lightwave.fp PRI=-1

   There is not such command built in to AMOS, so you'll have to use a
different program. You can do this of you find either:

A cli program, you'd do Exec "pri Lightwave.fp PRI 1"

A program with Arexx, not sure how.

Unless theres an extention to do that.


See ya.
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From: Bob Jordan <bjordan@soest.hawaii.edu>

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Would it be possible to get on an upgrade list of some kind so that when
AmosPro2 is available again, that those in NEED get notified ASAP.

I'm doing some heavy duty programming and version 1 locks up many times a
day. From what I've been told, version 2 is my salvation.

I saw the posting about being available in December, but the suspense is
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How does one find previous postings to the Amos-List.

Is there an archive somewhere?
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> Bob Jordan <bjordan@soest.hawaii.edu> wrote:
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	>AmosPro2 is available again, that those in NEED get notified ASAP.

	Stay tuned to this list and I'm sure you'll get to know when.

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> Bob Jordan <bjordan@soest.hawaii.edu> wrote:
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	Take a look at Aminet in Dev/Amos and you'll find
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Hi.

Can anyone tell me how to set the priority of a task, via
AmosPro2..?

I've combed through my Amos1.3 and EasyAmos Manuals and
I can't find a command thats suitable. :(

(I'm working on a gui that allows you to set the priority
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I could do with a command like 

SetPri Lightwave.fp PRI=-1

anyone help..?


Steve

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Want to design levels for a *probably* soon to be published game?
Design levels for The Turtleminator!

Please contact Alistair Murray:
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> ----------
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go to http://www.onelist.com and they've got an archive there you can 
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On 12-Nov-98, Bob Jordan wrote:
>How does one find previous postings to the Amos-List.
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You can find all the AMOS List archives on aminet.

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Hi Andrew,

How about the Exec command...
Exec "SetPri Lightwave.fp PRI=-1"
...hope this helps.

Andy H.

> > Can anyone tell me how to set the priority of a task, via
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> 
> > (I'm working on a gui that allows you to set the priority
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> 
> > I could do with a command like
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Hi Everybody,

> From: Andy H <geosync@ozemail.com.au>

> Hi Andrew,

> How about the Exec command...
> Exec "SetPri Lightwave.fp PRI=-1"
> ...hope this helps.

> Andy H.
   
   Hmmm, the SetPri command doesn't come with 3.0, is it with 3.1 or
something? Well, you'll have to find that program or similar.


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Hello...

  I have an 060/PPC and AmosPro 2 with the latest library from the Amos
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Greetings,
  I have the CU Amiga disk 76 copy of the Craft Extension available if
anyone is interested.  Craft adds 160 new commands to Amos including ones
for generating fractals and playing music modules.  Craft works with both
Amos and Amos Pro.  Email me privately if you want it.

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Hi Everybody,

Has anybody produced any AMOS (pro or 135) Line of Sight or shortest path
procedures?
How efficient are they and how does the Amiga handle them?

I'm just delving into basic AI. The theory sounds fair enough but I'm worried
about
the processing power.

Thanks

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  Hi all,  

>On many amigas, (like A1200), it can't detect more then one keypress on
>the same row eg
>.
>on a qwerty keyboard, these keys don't work together:
>qwertyuiop[] etc.

>You'll have to make sure you map the keyboard carefully.

 So I tried :

Do
  Print Key State (51)
Loop

If I keep pressing key c, it prints -1, but if during this time I press
any other key (I've tried all !), it prints 0, and never comes back 
to -1 !

Only key shift works fully togheter (Ctrl,2 Shifts, 2 Amigas, 2 Alts).

Games with keyboards are no more possible with such poor hardware.

 See Ya.

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From: Andrew Crowe <andrewcrowe@enterprise.net>

Hi Everybody,

> So I tried :

> Do
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> If I keep pressing key c, it prints -1, but if during this time I
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> any other key (I've tried all !), it prints 0, and never comes back 
> to -1 !

> Only key shift works fully togheter (Ctrl,2 Shifts, 2 Amigas, 2 Alts).

> Games with keyboards are no more possible with such poor hardware.

> See Ya.

   Funny, when I tried that with my A1200, the C key worked fine with
every key except with a few others on that line.

   I guess its a limitation with your keyboard interface ;(


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On 13-Nov-98, Andrew Crowe wrote:

AC>> How about the Exec command...
AC>> Exec "SetPri Lightwave.fp PRI=-1"
AC>> ...hope this helps.

AC>   Hmmm, the SetPri command doesn't come with 3.0, is it with 3.1 or
AC> something? Well, you'll have to find that program or similar.

ChangeTaskPri command comes with 3.0, and even with 1.x, I think. But it can
only affect tasks started from CLI.

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Is there a way to include C compiled executable in Amos program, and start
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On 13-Nov-98, Nikola Smolenski wrote:
>From: Nikola Smolenski <smolensk@EUnet.yu>

>Is there a way to include C compiled executable in Amos program, and start
>it?

yeah, 3 ways in fact...

load the exe into a bank, and do Call bnk no.

load the exe into memory, do Call $address

write a extension.

cya,
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From: Stephen Thornber <SThornber@steve1.demon.co.uk>



Hi Amosiams ;)


I'm in a coding mood, so I'm going to start a new proggy
and before I attempt such a huge task (I'm a lame coder!) I need
to know if any of my ideas are possible with AmosPro2.


These are the ideas I have, could you please say whether AmosPro
could do these, and if they would be hard or easy to code.?

(the only extension I have installed is the SUPERB gui extension
version 1.70)

things I'd like to do are:-


a file locator util (using a gui)

a CDRom tray open/close util (gui)

a util that uses speech to tell me what frame imagine/Lw
is currently rendering and how long the last frame took to
render.

a simple game (like the old food fight..)
(I'm not sure amos can display enough sprites..!?!!)


please forgive me if I'm asking any dumb things, but to be
honest I'm a very very lame coder..  although I'm 
enthusiastic...  I'm really a 3d bod, not a programmer..
but hey, amos is fun...

Steve

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From: Nikola Smolenski <smolensk@EUnet.yu>

On 14-Nov-98, Stephen Thornber wrote:

ST> These are the ideas I have, could you please say whether AmosPro
ST> could do these, and if they would be hard or easy to code.?

ST> a file locator util (using a gui)

This shouldn't be a problem.

ST> a CDRom tray open/close util (gui)

Of course, if you know how to do it.

ST> a util that uses speech to tell me what frame imagine/Lw
ST> is currently rendering and how long the last frame took to
ST> render.

I think that this would be easier in Arexx?

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From: Andrew Crowe <andrewcrowe@enterprise.net>

Hi Everybody,

> I'm in a coding mood, so I'm going to start a new proggy
> and before I attempt such a huge task (I'm a lame coder!) I need
> to know if any of my ideas are possible with AmosPro2.


> These are the ideas I have, could you please say whether AmosPro
> could do these, and if they would be hard or easy to code.?

> (the only extension I have installed is the SUPERB gui extension
> version 1.70)

> things I'd like to do are:-


> a file locator util (using a gui)

   Hmmm, I know you can read directionarys with amos (its easier with
CRAFT extention though). Should be possible.

> a CDRom tray open/close util (gui)

   Don't know about this one.

> a util that uses speech to tell me what frame imagine/Lw
> is currently rendering and how long the last frame took to
> render.

   This should be possible with AREXX.

> a simple game (like the old food fight..)
> (I'm not sure amos can display enough sprites..!?!!)

   Amos can display 4 and 16 colour sprites, and Bobs no problem. It
also handels sprite/bob collisions for you.

> please forgive me if I'm asking any dumb things, but to be
> honest I'm a very very lame coder..  although I'm 
> enthusiastic...  I'm really a 3d bod, not a programmer..
> but hey, amos is fun...

   Your right there ;)

See ya.
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From: Jens Vang Petersen <top_cat@post8.tele.dk>

Hello Stephen

On 14-Nov-98, Stephen Thornber smashed the keyboard with:
> I'm in a coding mood, so I'm going to start a new proggy
> and before I attempt such a huge task (I'm a lame coder!) I need
> to know if any of my ideas are possible with AmosPro2.
> 
> a file locator util (using a gui)

That should be simple, perhaps you should get the 'EasyLife'
extension to handle the directories and perhaps pattern-match..

 
> a CDRom tray open/close util (gui)

That includes some direct device access, but still quite simple..

 
> a util that uses speech to tell me what frame imagine/Lw
> is currently rendering and how long the last frame took to
> render.

I havn't got a clue on this, sorry..

 
> a simple game (like the old food fight..)
> (I'm not sure amos can display enough sprites..!?!!)

Perhaps you could do it using bobs ??

 
> please forgive me if I'm asking any dumb things, but to be
> honest I'm a very very lame coder..  although I'm 
> enthusiastic...  I'm really a 3d bod, not a programmer..
> but hey, amos is fun...

Well, we all started as 'lame' coders on some level, perhaps
on the C64 or in AmigaBasic, and I know that I'm sometimes
a bit anoyed with my first coding. I can't belive the amount
of Goto's I was using ;-))
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Hello Nikola

On 13-Nov-98, Nikola Smolenski smashed the keyboard with:
> From: Nikola Smolenski <smolensk@EUnet.yu>
> 
> Is there a way to include C compiled executable in Amos program, and start
> it?
> 

Ehh, sometimes, It's possible to include executable code in an amosprogram,
either as a bank or a 'sealed' procedure. The process is descriped in
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'Call' that should provide some idea. On how to do.. But as noted in the
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From: "Rev. Giark To You" <giark@hicksville.dyn.ml.org>

Are the following bugs being addressed for the next amos release?

Change the default screen to less than four colours and your sound gets
screwed up. Sam Play won't work, and the built in sounds, Boom, Shoot and Bell
will guru the Amiga.

Sam Loop Off gets switched to Sam Loop On after a run. The command still
works, but it gets shown on the screen improperly.
 
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Chris Seward (the editor of Amiga Information Online)
asked me to forward this to the AMOS list :)

*** Relayed message, originally written by Chris Seward on 13-Nov-98 ***

HI Mark, can you post this message to the Amos-list as you can't
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Dear All,

  Right all, my brother is selling AmosPro with loads of stuff (listed
below). UK customers only. Highest offer gets it, make him an offer by
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The package includes :-

AmosPro V2.0 - With box, disks and manuels in good condition.
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ALL originals.

Make me an offer. Offer does not include P&P which will be required
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I've got the game engine started. Check out my site as listed below. If you
are interested in making a game module for ST3, drop me a line at the address
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Well met and godspeed,
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Hello Stephen

On 12-Nov-98, Stephen Thornber wrote: [amos-list] Priority Probs


> Hi.

Hi!

> Can anyone tell me how to set the priority of a task, via
> AmosPro2..?

By default this commanad doesn't exist.... but...
 
> I've combed through my Amos1.3 and EasyAmos Manuals and
> I can't find a command thats suitable. :(
> 
> (I'm working on a gui that allows you to set the priority
> of Lightwave.)

I hope using the GUI Extension :o)

> I could do with a command like 
> 
> SetPri Lightwave.fp PRI=-1
> 
> anyone help..?

Of course.... 

You can do it very easly using a FD extension with exec.library support:

TASK$="Lightwave.fp" : TSK=_Lvo Findtask(varptr(TASK$))
IF TSK><0 Then PRI=-1 : OLD=_Lvo Settaskpri(TSK,PRI)

or you can use the boring standard way:

TASK$="Lightwawe.fp" : Areg(1)=Varprt(TASK$) : TSK=Execall(-294)
IF TSK><0 Then PRI=-1 : Areg(1)=TSK : Dreg(0)=PRI : OLD=Execall(-300)

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From: Pietro Ghizzoni <ghizzo@agonet.it>

Hello Rev.

On 14-Nov-98, Rev. Giark To You wrote: [amos-list] Bugs

> Are the following bugs being addressed for the next amos release?

NO! Why? Because in the next release the Music Extension will be probably
removed forever!! It is the most stupid,bugged,bad written Amos extension
in the world! *AMCAF will be a total replacement.* It give you TRUE
protracker support (v3.5+) with /CIA /and /VBL /replay mode, and the
possibility to play samples over the tracker (.. and many other cool
functions)

Where possible i'll *destroy* the old Amos code, replacing it with a better
one. The AMOS asm sources are a collection of bad code! Now i'm working on
the devices interface, since i've to totally rewrite it!!! :(((( I've
discovered a really nasty surprise in the code.... In order to work propely
with the devices (like the printer.device, serial.device etc) you need to
call some exec.library functions not available in the old OS1.3... so
Francois Lionet in order to keep the OS1.3 compatibility has disassembled!
the linker library Amiga.Lib (.. wich provide the necessary 1.3 functions)
and inserted the code in the main AMOSPro lib! So now i've to work with
some rubbish like this:

L7C7D97A        MOVE.L  #$10001,-(A7)
        PEA     $22.W
        BSR     L7C7DAD0
        MOVEA.L D0,A2
        EXG     D7,A2
        TST.L   D7
        EXG     D7,A2
        ADDQ.L  #8,A7
        BNE.S   L7C7D9A4
        MOVE.L  D6,-(A7)
        BSR     L7C7DB28
        MOVEQ   #0,D0
        ADDQ.L  #4,A7
        BRA.S   L7C7D9E6
L7C7D9A4        MOVE.L  D4,$A(A2)
        MOVE.B  D3,9(A2)
        MOVE.B  #4,8(A2)
        CLR.B   $E(A2)
        MOVE.B  D6,$F(A2)
        CLR.L   -(A7)
        BSR     L7C7DB00
        MOVE.L  D0,$10(A2)
        TST.L   D4
        ADDQ.L  #4,A7
        BEQ.S   L7C7D9D8


nice eh?? and the other sources are like this.. no comments, no info...
nothing!
Now you can image my situation, and you can understand the reason for wich 
no one has updated Amos in the past years... someone has tried (.. the
several rumours) , but as we know nothing is happened. I've awaited too
many years, and now i won't give up! You already know my plans.. if i can't
really upgrade the main code, i'll expand it through our COOL extensions!

Final note: AMOS WILL NEVER WORK AGAIN ON THE OLD OS v1.3!

>  and the built in sounds, Boom, Shoot and  Bell will guru the Amiga.

Good :) I would kill everyone who has used this weird sounds in their
programs!


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Hello!

Unfortnataly, due to lack of time and alike, ive had no choice
but to postpone the TGE beta perview due for today, I know
that a lot of you were awaiting it, but some things messed up
in the last minute, however, all I can say the the moment,
is that im sorry, and it will be out SOON, Im hopeing for next week,
it might be before and it might be after.

Also, before I release it I would like peeps opinions on
the buffering. I remember when I made games I always wanted
it to be this way, but some people may differ...

Atm, the buffering works like:

G Triple Buffer (or Double if you like...)
G Screen open .............

Then your main loop:
Do
....
....
....
....
G Swap Buffers          *** Swaps the buffers.
Loop

I prefere this was as in the origional amos way
you couldnt do this and it allows YOU to select when to
swap the buffers.

Comments plz!

if enough people want it without the swap buffers I might do it
as a option.

cyas,
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Hi

>You can do it very easly using a FD extension with exec.library support:

Where do I get this FD extension, and how much is it..?

>TASK$="Lightwave.fp" : TSK=_Lvo Findtask(varptr(TASK$))
>IF TSK><0 Then PRI=-1 : OLD=_Lvo Settaskpri(TSK,PRI)
>or you can use the boring standard way:
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>IF TSK><0 Then PRI=-1 : Areg(1)=TSK : Dreg(0)=PRI : OLD=Execall(-300)

looks very complex though :)


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> From:          Pietro Ghizzoni <ghizzo@agonet.it>

> From: Pietro Ghizzoni <ghizzo@agonet.it>

> TASK$="Lightwave.fp" : TSK=_Lvo Findtask(varptr(TASK$))
> IF TSK><0 Then PRI=-1 : OLD=_Lvo Settaskpri(TSK,PRI)
> 
> or you can use the boring standard way:
> 
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> 
> -- 
> 

Whilst I understand what you're writing, I've never come across a 
line like 'If TSK><0' before... What does it do? Does it mean 'If 
TSK>0 or TSK<0' or something else entirely. I'm confused...

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Hello David

On 15-Nov-98, you wrote:

> From: "David Vivash" <PMA98DAV@sheffield.ac.uk>
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>> From:          Pietro Ghizzoni <ghizzo@agonet.it>
> 
>> From: Pietro Ghizzoni <ghizzo@agonet.it>
> 
>> TASK$="Lightwave.fp" : TSK=_Lvo Findtask(varptr(TASK$))
>> IF TSK><0 Then PRI=-1 : OLD=_Lvo Settaskpri(TSK,PRI)
>> 
>> or you can use the boring standard way:
>> 
>> TASK$="Lightwawe.fp" : Areg(1)=Varprt(TASK$) : TSK=Execall(-294)
>> IF TSK><0 Then PRI=-1 : Areg(1)=TSK : Dreg(0)=PRI : OLD=Execall(-300)
>> 
>> -- 
>> 
> 
> Whilst I understand what you're writing, I've never come across a 
> line like 'If TSK><0' before... What does it do? Does it mean 'If 
>> 0 or TSK<0' or something else entirely. I'm confused...
> 

Regards
"<>" or "><" means NOT EQUAL TO as in IF TSK IS NOT EQUAL TO 0 THEN BLAH,
BLAH, BLAH...


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Hi Everybody,

> Unfortnataly, due to lack of time and alike, ive had no choice
> but to postpone the TGE beta perview due for today, I know
> that a lot of you were awaiting it, but some things messed up
> in the last minute, however, all I can say the the moment,
> is that im sorry, and it will be out SOON, Im hopeing for next week,
> it might be before and it might be after.

   Bugs eh? Don't you just hate'em

> Also, before I release it I would like peeps opinions on
> the buffering. I remember when I made games I always wanted
> it to be this way, but some people may differ...

> Atm, the buffering works like:

> G Triple Buffer (or Double if you like...)
> G Screen open .............

> Then your main loop:
> Do
> ....
> ....
> ....
> ....
> G Swap Buffers          *** Swaps the buffers.
> Loop

> I prefere this was as in the origional amos way
> you couldnt do this and it allows YOU to select when to
> swap the buffers.

   How is that different to the amos way? Surly that command does the
same as 'screen swap'?

> Comments plz!

Looks fine so far ;)

> if enough people want it without the swap buffers I might do it
> as a option.

See ya.
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To the one known as Michel,

> From: "Michel Bijlsma" <cloak@xs4all.nl>
> 
> >
> >>>    I suggested PALL to the author.
> >>>
> >>>  its PALL for Pc Amos Like Language.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  What do you think?
> >
> >> I like it, but PALLE for Pc Amos Like Language Editor, sounds much
> >nicer ;))
> >
> >   Hmmm, I don't know, PALLE could be confusing to pronounce.
> >
> >Could just be PAL, for Pc Amos-like Language. Then you couls have .PAL
> >files on a pc.
> 
> 
> But then you could confuse it with pallette files, wich bare the .PAL
> extension...

Hmmm.  Maybe .qzx file extension ?

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> From: Andrew Crowe <andrewcrowe@enterprise.net>
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> Hi Everybody,
> 
> > From: Andy H <geosync@ozemail.com.au>
> 
> > Hi Andrew,
> 
> > How about the Exec command...
> > Exec "SetPri Lightwave.fp PRI=-1"
> > ...hope this helps.
> > Andy H.

Depressingly, I totally lost lightwave in the crash.  

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To the one known as Declan,

> From: "Declan Gorman" <declan_gorman@modusmedia.com>
> 
> Greetings,
>   I have the CU Amiga disk 76 copy of the Craft Extension available if
> anyone is interested.  Craft adds 160 new commands to Amos including ones
> for generating fractals and playing music modules.  Craft works with both
> Amos and Amos Pro.  Email me privately if you want it.

Cool.  Mail me !!  I'm currently rebuilding EVERYTHING from really, really
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Ok, apologies again, seems this message got out more than once.  Don't
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I lost the whole contents of my hard disk, I'm getting no sleep, don't
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From: "Ives, Neil, IVESNJ" <neil.ives@bt.com>

>>  and the built in sounds, Boom, Shoot and  Bell will guru the Amiga.

> Good :) I would kill everyone who has used this weird sounds in their
> programs!

> Pietro Ghizzoni

For all those who started their programming experience with Amos and that of
course includes young children the built-in sounds were great. With just a
few lines of code they could show a home drawn picture as a background and
have something happen with simple sound effects.
My point is that the value of Amos basic is that it is a *beginners*
language please don't forget that!
 -------------------------------------
While I'm typing I may as well try and restate a point I tried to make some
weeks ago. I said that Blitz failed to hook me like Amos did. My message was
taken to be a Blitz vs Amos flame. In fact I was complaining about the Blitz
manual, and this aspect of the new Amos must not be overlooked. Until I
subscribed to this list I never had any other source of help for my
programming than the Amos original & AmosPro manuals, both of which were
very good.  If a language is for beginners, and Basic is, then the
documentation must provide them with all the information they need,
including standard Basic structures.
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Fascinating insight into the poorly written structure of old Amos, thanks.
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Please keep up this considerable effort, the new Amiga will need a new Amos,
that's for sure!

Thanks

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Hiya,

leave it all to settle :) Hazle's a mate simple (well ;) ).

6-1 is a killer! But I'm wide awake now, with nothing to do ;)

Well I just got your last email just now,

So....take this ;)



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Hiya,

Forget that last email! please :)

sorry


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From:          "David Vivash" <PMA98DAV@sheffield.ac.uk>

Just a quick message really...

I'm setting up a new AMOS Web page... 
http://www.freeyellow.com/members5/a-zone
(go to the frames version as the non-frames version is on geocities 
and probably wont be continued)

anyway, if you've been there you'll notice it's a little bit empty. I 
know most of the people on this list have web pages of their own to 
worry about but I'm only asking for the odd article or request for 
articles, or some tips etc. It's designed to be mainly a BEGINNERS 
page...

I might shove on some of my AMOS programs for download (Space 
Monopoly my only COMPLETED project - it was in Amiga Format a few 
months ago) and maybe some extensions...

Anyway, if you've got any ideas then email me. I don't expect too 
much feedback on this because you all have your own web pages - but 
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Hello, all,

I will be out of the Internet for a while, I don't know how much time.
But you can see some of my products at
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(notice the uppercase "T")

See you in a short time, I hope...

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From:          "David Vivash" <PMA98DAV@sheffield.ac.uk>

I've been off the list for a month or two now - and I keep seeing 
these messages appearing about a new AMOS... So what's all that about 
then?
Is this a brand new AMOS from scratch or some new extension? I've 
also noticed talk of AMOS for the PC. Presumably this isn't some naff 
Europress Klik & Play sort of thing so is it *really* amos for the 
pc? Now maybe I'm a pessimist but I don't see how AMOS could work on 
the PC as it does on the amiga. Anyone who's used a PC will know that 
it handles screens in a completely different way to the Amiga - which 
means a whole new approach will have to be brought in in handling 
screens when trying to convert AMOS-Amiga programs to AMOS-pc 
programs. Anyway, if it does work it'll be a good thing to get back 
to *fun* programming on a strictly non-fun machine.

 There would be a few things I would recommend to change in the 
editor though... Firstly, I presume this would run under Win95, and 
so if we are to stick to the way AMOS works by running interpreted 
code and creating compiled versions if you want them, it would mean 
the AMOS programs would have to run under win95. This is not 
necessarily a bad thing (you could make use of directx 6 for 
example), but if you're working from a win95 environment it would be 
expected you could write win95 applications. This is what worries me -
 has anyone considered how HUGE a programming language would have to 
be allow you to write win95 applications AND games. If anyone here 
has ever used something like Borland C++ builder or even Visual Basic 
you'll know how big these things are and you'd shudder at the thought 
of having just one person programming them. So AMOS-pc would have to 
be just for games I would say... unless anyone wants to argue with 
that.

    Of course, it's probable I've got the idea of AMOS-pc wrong 
entirely... I have programmed the pc a bit and I know there's 
not really any room for any more application builders. The one's out 
there are pretty good anyway at what they do... there's no decent 
games programming languages on the pc though. Keep that in mind...

Sorry for this rambled email. Probably got everything wrong but hey! 
I'm a programmer, it' my job to get things wrong... i'll come back 
and debug this email later...

David

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Does anyone know if there is a version of the intuition amos editor out yet?
 
Well met and godspeed,
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> From: Pietro Ghizzoni <ghizzo@agonet.it>


> Final note: AMOS WILL NEVER WORK AGAIN ON THE OLD OSv1.3!
 
> >  and the built in sounds, Boom, Shoot and  Bell will guru the Amiga.
 
 >Good :) I would kill everyone who has used this weird sounds in their
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On 15-Nov-98, Pietro Ghizzoni wrote:
>From: Pietro Ghizzoni <ghizzo@agonet.it>


>Final note: AMOS WILL NEVER WORK AGAIN ON THE OLD OS v1.3!

Why do people stick with 1.3 anyway ?

its not as if its hard to get a a1200, they are practly free second hand,
and as it stands, 1.3 is prehistoric. Im supiresed that people with
1.3 still have it, I figured that the roms would have started to
detieriorate by now :o)

>>  and the built in sounds, Boom, Shoot and  Bell will guru the Amiga.

>Good :) I would kill everyone who has used this weird sounds in their
>programs!

hehe :o)
I used to hate those sounds, but now the audio channels on my amiga
have started to die, so I can't hear them anymore :}

 
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-----Original Message-----
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>From: Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk (Keith Hill) (Keith Hill)
>
>To the one known as Michel,
>
>> From: "Michel Bijlsma" <cloak@xs4all.nl>
>> 
>> >
>> >>>    I suggested PALL to the author.
>> >>>
>> >>>  its PALL for Pc Amos Like Language.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>  What do you think?
>> >
>> >> I like it, but PALLE for Pc Amos Like Language Editor, sounds much
>> >nicer ;))
>> >
>> >   Hmmm, I don't know, PALLE could be confusing to pronounce.
>> >
>> >Could just be PAL, for Pc Amos-like Language. Then you couls have .PAL
>> >files on a pc.
>> 
>> 
>> But then you could confuse it with pallette files, wich bare the .PAL
>> extension...
>
>Hmmm.  Maybe .qzx file extension ?
>
>Someone make up a word...  :-)


How about Ams?

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Hi Everybody,

> I've been off the list for a month or two now - and I keep seeing 
> these messages appearing about a new AMOS... So what's all that about 
> then?

   Ok, Minion2197@aol.com is programming an AMOS Clone for MS-DOS. I
can't remember the full specs. but it does feature a doom-like 3d engine
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> >  and the built in sounds, Boom, Shoot and  Bell will guru the Amiga.
> 
> Good :) I would kill everyone who has used this weird sounds in their
> programs!

	Oh my god!! I'm dead them.
	I actually use them a lot , specially boom.
	Fact is that I use them for testing and positioning samples , so 
later on I can go over the prog and substitute it.
	For this only reason I think there should be built in sounds (beep)

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On 15-Nov-98, Peter Cahill wrote:
>>Final note: AMOS WILL NEVER WORK AGAIN ON THE OLD OS v1.3!

I'll have th check my batphone, but I don't recall mentioning 1.3. Q8-{)

>Why do people stick with 1.3 anyway ?

>>>  and the built in sounds, Boom, Shoot and  Bell will guru the Amiga.
>>Good :) I would kill everyone who has used this weird sounds in their
>>programs!

It's still a bug, isn't it? And it is part of the other sound bugs.

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On 16-Nov-98, Andrew Crowe wrote:
>From: Andrew Crowe <andrewcrowe@enterprise.net>

>Hi Everybody,

Hiya!

>> Unfortnataly, due to lack of time and alike, ive had no choice
>> but to postpone the TGE beta perview due for today, I know
>> that a lot of you were awaiting it, but some things messed up
>> in the last minute, however, all I can say the the moment,
>> is that im sorry, and it will be out SOON, Im hopeing for next week,
>> it might be before and it might be after.

>   Bugs eh? Don't you just hate'em

Not so much bugs, but replacing the entire gfx system is a
endless thing :P

>> I prefere this was as in the origional amos way
>> you couldnt do this and it allows YOU to select when to
>> swap the buffers.

>   How is that different to the amos way? Surly that command does the
>same as 'screen swap'?

nah, or nafaik. The amos system keeps swapping buffers
and slowing your program down, then logic and physic are diffrent
ways of doing it. via having one buffer in fast ( I think).

>> if enough people want it without the swap buffers I might do it
>> as a option.

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To the one known as erico,
> From: erico@www.tecnopro.com.br
> > >  and the built in sounds, Boom, Shoot and  Bell will guru the Amiga.
> > Good :) I would kill everyone who has used this weird sounds in their
> > programs!
> 	Oh my god!! I'm dead them.
> 	I actually use them a lot , specially boom.
> 	Fact is that I use them for testing and positioning samples , so 
> later on I can go over the prog and substitute it.
> 	For this only reason I think there should be built in sounds (beep)

Actually, i should probably agree with this one, even though I very, very,
very rarely even think about using them.  Actually, I use bell to stop the
looping samples..  (normally muted though).

Hey Ghizzo, if you are replacing all the samples (cool !) bung in a default
couple of noises for "built in" stuff.  

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From: "Declan Gorman" <declan_gorman@modusmedia.com>

Hello Thy,
  Don't take too long......Talk soon.

Dec.

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I will be out of the Internet for a while, I don't know how much time.
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From: Andrew Crowe <andrewcrowe@enterprise.net>

Hi Everybody,


>>   How is that different to the amos way? Surly that command does the
>> same as 'screen swap'?

> nah, or nafaik. The amos system keeps swapping buffers
> and slowing your program down, then logic and physic are diffrent
> ways of doing it. via having one buffer in fast ( I think).

   Nop, I'm sorry, I still can't see how thats different to doing

Double Buffer
Autoback 0

do

   blah blah

   Screen Swap


loop.

   And surly having a buffer in fastmem would be slower, as doesn't the
amos system actually change the screens bitmap offsets to the other
buffer, meaning an instant swap? If the other buffer was in fastmem,
then you'd have to physically swap the memory.

   Anyway, if you can get it faster then thats enough reason for me ;)


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On 16-Nov-98, Rev. Giark To You wrote:
>From: "Rev. Giark To You" <giark@hicksville.dyn.ml.org>

>Does anyone know if there is a version of the intuition amos editor out yet?

Someone is making one ?

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From: "Alastair Murray" <malcolm.murray@virgin.net>

> NO! Why? Because in the next release the Music Extension will be probably
> removed forever!! It is the most stupid,bugged,bad written Amos extension
> in the world! *AMCAF will be a total replacement.* It give you TRUE
> protracker support (v3.5+) with /CIA /and /VBL /replay mode, and the
> possibility to play samples over the tracker (.. and many other cool
> functions)

Can I just point out that AMCAF is not quite perfect yet for sound either.
It can't handle large samples.
I always use AMCAF for sound except for when the occasion arises and I need
a large sample played I have to go back to standard AMOS sound.

-Murray

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On 17-Nov-98, Alastair Murray wrote:
>> NO! Why? Because in the next release the Music Extension will be probably
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>Can I just point out that AMCAF is not quite perfect yet for sound either.
>It can't handle large samples.

And I'll add that I play samples in excess of 64k all the time. If amcaf can't
handle them (I know dme wouldn't) then it's not a replacement at all.

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Hi Everybody,

> On 16-Nov-98, Rev. Giark To You wrote:
>> From: "Rev. Giark To You" <giark@hicksville.dyn.ml.org>

>> Does anyone know if there is a version of the intuition amos editor
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> Someone is making one ?

   If we /really /want an int. amos editor, then someone could write a
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From: "Rev. Giark To You" <giark@hicksville.ddns.org>

On 16-Nov-98, Peter Cahill wrote:
>>Does anyone know if there is a version of the intuition amos editor out yet?
>Someone is making one ?

According to the official amos site, yes. I've never seen it, though.

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>>Final note: AMOS WILL NEVER WORK AGAIN ON THE OLD OS v1.3!

NOO!!!!! I'll have to... (gasp) upgrade my A500!!!!

>Why do people stick with 1.3 anyway ?

Because its impossible to get 2.0+ at the moment... And I'm broke :)

-- Ender

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> Because its impossible to get 2.0+ at the moment... And I'm broke :)
No, not necessarily, and you could EASILY find some .ROM images of v2+
almost anywhere off the net in conjunction with a decent ROM kicker.

Adam Parrott, mailto: parrotta@usa.net, ICQ# 12967025, Handle: Axianator
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From: Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk (Keith Hill) (Keith Hill)

I have lost the archive.

Urk.

I lost a hell of a lot of stuff :(

Please send anthing of use to uu@mirex.demon.co.uk

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> Stephen Thornber <SThornber@steve1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
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	>Where do I get this FD extension, and how much is it..?

	It's FREE! Should be availible at the Official AMOS WWW.
	I've got v2.0 availible if you want it. Mail me privatly.

		Magnus (now HTML-free(?), thanx to Declan Gorman)

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From: jono <jono@enti.demon.co.uk>

Hello everyone,

I just wanted to ask around about this (is it?) Freesirv, or something.

Is it really free, so you just pay for your calls? Who do they get money from?

Chers,

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On Thu, Nov 19, 1998, at 12:39 AM, jono wrote:

> I just wanted to ask around about this (is it?) Freesirv, or something.
> 
> Is it really free, so you just pay for your calls? Who do they get money
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> 

i believe that this was mentioned on the amiga-uni mailing list. if so,
this is a microsoft-backed service that IS free, but in signing up you
are handed a piece of microsoft software to use with it. i heard someone
was going to connect to the server via amiga and bypass the pc promotion
(or what ever scheme they have devised to assimilate you), but i haven't
heard anything further.
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From: "Declan Gorman" <declan_gorman@modusmedia.com>

Sorry to be so off-topic but where on my harddrive would the icons be
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At 09:31 19-11-98 +0000, you wrote:
>From: "Declan Gorman" <declan_gorman@modusmedia.com>
>
>Sorry to be so off-topic but where on my harddrive would the icons be
>located for my harddrives?  I have two partitions HD0: and HD1: and would
>like to change the icons.  Thanks in advance.
>
They are called disk.info, and live in the root of the partition in question.

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From: "Declan Gorman" <declan_gorman@modusmedia.com>

Thanks Martin but when I tried to change this icon, I ended up with an icon
within the harddisk and the hardisk icon on my workbench returned to a
default disk icon.

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From: Martin =?iso-8859-1?Q?M=F8ller?= <tfb@bigfoot.com>

At 09:31 19-11-98 +0000, you wrote:
>From: "Declan Gorman" <declan_gorman@modusmedia.com>
>
>Sorry to be so off-topic but where on my harddrive would the icons be
>located for my harddrives?  I have two partitions HD0: and HD1: and would
>like to change the icons.  Thanks in advance.
>
They are called disk.info, and live in the root of the partition in
question.

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I have just downloaded Icon_Installer from aminet and will try it tonight.
Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
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From: Leto Kauler <letok@netspace.net.au>

If you're Declan Gorman, you wrote:
>From: "Declan Gorman" <declan_gorman@modusmedia.com>

>Thanks Martin but when I tried to change this icon, I ended up
>with an icon
>within the harddisk and the hardisk icon on my workbench
returned
>to a default disk icon.

What do you change it with? A great program is Icon_Installer
(logical :)   Do you have New Icons installed? This may be
assigning default icons of some sort....

Leto

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    Regarding Workbench Icons, the .info file contains information abouit
what type of icon it is, i.e. it will have information stored about whether
it is a Disk, Drawer, Program, Project, etc... All .info files which contain
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    My guess is that you tried to use a drawer icon as a disk icon, but
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probably many others like it) allow you to load the offending .info file,
and by just changing a menu item (ie select icon-type from drawer to disk)
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From: "Declan Gorman" <declan_gorman@modusmedia.com>

David,
  Thanks for the info and I think that is exactly what I did.
  Does Iconian allow me to change the icon-type of NewIcons and Glow Icons?

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From: David Brian Hayes <dbh02@students.stir.ac.uk>

    Regarding Workbench Icons, the .info file contains information abouit
what type of icon it is, i.e. it will have information stored about whether
it is a Disk, Drawer, Program, Project, etc... All .info files which contain
anything except the Disk information will be displayed, regardless of
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myfile(myfile.info)
    My guess is that you tried to use a drawer icon as a disk icon, but
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correct this is Iconian. It is a shareware program, but not wholey
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probably many others like it) allow you to load the offending .info file,
and by just changing a menu item (ie select icon-type from drawer to disk)
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    Hope that this information is of some help to you Declan.


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the icons are hidden files at the root of the disk
eg.

HD0:disk.info
 

Thanks

 

Andrew Allen - MIS

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Sorry to be so off-topic but where on my harddrive would the icons be
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It should work with Newicons, but I haven`t been around the Amiga scene
recently, cos I work with PC`s (SPITS OUT LOUD!) here at Uni, but I should think
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At 22:32 19-11-98 +0500, you wrote:
>From: Leto Kauler <letok@netspace.net.au>
>
>If you're Declan Gorman, you wrote:
>>From: "Declan Gorman" <declan_gorman@modusmedia.com>
>
>>I have just downloaded Icon_Installer from aminet and will try
>it
>>tonight. Thanks.
>
>Hey, no probs. Just remember to make sure that the icons are
>specified as "disk" not "drawer" or "tool" or something!
>
Oh, i forgot :)
Thats probably why i did not work. But you do not need some special program
really.
You could just load your new icon into the icon editor which comes with
workbench, and then
make sure you set it's type to disk before saving again.

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From: Leto Kauler <letok@netspace.net.au>

If you're Declan Gorman, you wrote:
>From: "Declan Gorman" <declan_gorman@modusmedia.com>

>Thanks Martin but when I tried to change this icon, I ended up
>with an icon
>within the harddisk and the hardisk icon on my workbench
returned
>to a default disk icon.

What do you change it with? A great program is Icon_Installer
(logical :)   Do you have New Icons installed? This may be
assigning default icons of some sort....

Leto

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From: Leto Kauler <letok@netspace.net.au>

If you're Declan Gorman, you wrote:
>From: "Declan Gorman" <declan_gorman@modusmedia.com>

>I have just downloaded Icon_Installer from aminet and will try
it
>tonight. Thanks.

Hey, no probs. Just remember to make sure that the icons are
specified as "disk" not "drawer" or "tool" or something!

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On 19-Nov-98, Declan Gorman wrote:
>Sorry to be so off-topic but where on my harddrive would the icons be
>located for my harddrives? 

Disk.info But it will use the default image if no disk.info is found.

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On 19-Nov-98, Declan Gorman wrote:
>  Does Iconian allow me to change the icon-type of NewIcons and Glow Icons?

Yes, in the icon type menu.

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From: Michael & Tamatha Jelinek <eliza@calweb.com>

i haven't yet heard anything about the interface language from this list
(i read last month's transcript and didn't see anything there, either).
does anybody use the interface language? is anybody else having a problem
with the writing modes, such as transparent vs opaque?

is it ok to whine about programming problems on this list?

i am displaying graphics (line and box commands) and printing text on top
of them (for labelling buttons), and the writing mode changes at odd
though sometimes predictable times, though not predictable enough to
determine why the mode is changing, or why SetWriting is being ignored.

if there are bugs in the interface (heresy for me to say that, i know)
will they be fixed in AMOS II?
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oh yea, this is for AMOS Pro 1.12 (A3000, 2+8 meg mem).

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On 19-Nov-98, Michael & Tamatha Jelinek wrote:
>does anybody use the interface language?

It sucks a lot.

>is it ok to whine about programming problems on this list?

Definitely.

>if there are bugs in the interface (heresy for me to say that, i know)
>will they be fixed in AMOS II?

Is the interface part of a set of amos screens? I mean, could it be
transported to the wb, where you could use the gui extension, the best way to
make interfaces?

Well met and godspeed,
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From: Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk (Keith Hill) (Keith Hill)

To the one known as Michael,
> i haven't yet heard anything about the interface language from this list
> (i read last month's transcript and didn't see anything there, either).
> does anybody use the interface language? is anybody else having a problem
> with the writing modes, such as transparent vs opaque?

We rarely use it these days, and as such, rarely talk of it.

> is it ok to whine about programming problems on this list?

Yeah..

> i am displaying graphics (line and box commands) and printing text on top
> of them (for labelling buttons), and the writing mode changes at odd
> though sometimes predictable times, though not predictable enough to
> determine why the mode is changing, or why SetWriting is being ignored.
> if there are bugs in the interface (heresy for me to say that, i know)

Yow !  A question that is hard to answer !  There MAY be probs with it,
I don't know of any as such.

I've never had any probs with it, but I havn't tried doing odd writing
changes.  I generally had the interface stuff on its own private screen
out the way of anything interesting, and nice and safe.  I seem to
remember it using a whole bunch of its own commands, which may be the
prob.  Show the prob !

> will they be fixed in AMOS II?

I'll lay odds no.  AmosII is being written to take advantage of the amiga
WB3+ GUI and not use the internal interface language.  It is unlikely
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<whine>
the program which uses the interface lang heavily (to keep my checkbook)
i'm sure could be written for wb - given that i don't know exactly how it
will translate. and SO much of the program will have to be rewritten, and
the graphics replaced *sniff*. that will make it the 4th rewrite of the
program.
</whine>

it's progress i suppose. and practice. ;)

i've read alot about using the amiga libraries for wb programming, but i've
never actually got there.

actually i just got the gui_1.70 from the net but haven't "cracked it open"
yet. maybe my next programming step is to start reading the docs.

<rambling>
the program uses two interface channels to maintain 3 lists, the checkbook
fields, and a panel of supporting buttons, if anyone is interested. i
would have uploaded it to somewhere by now, but it's been in a constant
unfinished (i.e. unpolished) state, though very useable. if nothing else,
its a good example of almost all of the interface commands.
</rambling>
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> Michael & Tamatha Jelinek <eliza@calweb.com> wrote:
> 
	>the program uses two interface channels to maintain 3 lists, the
checkbook
	>fields, and a panel of supporting buttons, if anyone is interested.
i
	>would have uploaded it to somewhere by now, but it's been in a
constant
	>unfinished (i.e. unpolished) state, though very useable. if nothing
else,
	>its a good example of almost all of the interface commands.

	I would gladly take a look at it for you if you want. I've done some
	progs using the ol' interface but have now left it for the
GUI-extension.

		Magnus

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On 20-Nov-98, Michael & Tamatha Jelinek wrote:
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>yet. maybe my next programming step is to start reading the docs.

Go to my site and download my GUI tutorial from the utilities section. It will
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ok. i installed the gui lib into amospro, and now amospro freezes the
computer when i attempt to reload it. my first guess is that i need
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Hello Michael

On 20-Nov-98, Michael & Tamatha Jelinek smashed the keyboard with:
> i haven't yet heard anything about the interface language from this list
> (i read last month's transcript and didn't see anything there, either).
> does anybody use the interface language? is anybody else having a problem
> with the writing modes, such as transparent vs opaque?

I've used it a lot previously, and I still turns to it from time to time,
eventhough I prefer to use the intuition/gadtools support in OS-DevKit..

The writing-mode thing is proberly due to the way the interface work, if
you define a button with some text to be displayed with a certain writing-
mode then you must remember that ONLY the update-segment of the button
is parsed, so in order for things like writing-modes, text colours and
so on, they MUST be defined in the actual 'update' sequence, also remember
that normal amos switches the writing-modes when ever it feels like it..

 
> is it ok to whine about programming problems on this list?

I think that it's what this list is all about... ;-)
Lots of people talking about new updates is fine, but since this
is a programmers-list then the actual coding should be the backbone
(This is my personal oppinion..)

 
> i am displaying graphics (line and box commands) and printing text on top
> of them (for labelling buttons), and the writing mode changes at odd
> though sometimes predictable times, though not predictable enough to
> determine why the mode is changing, or why SetWriting is being ignored.

(see above..)

 
> if there are bugs in the interface (heresy for me to say that, i know)
> will they be fixed in AMOS II?

As some people is compleatly wild about the intuition things, proberly
not. But many of the bugs in the interface can be related to poor
writing in the docs, like the BOx command (as I recall the docs state
that it's defined using X,Y,W,H or something, but actualy X1,Y1,X2,Y2
is needed), also there's the famous IL (InactiveList) which isn't there,
but actualy I find the interface very usefull as it is now, the capability
to create 'auto-centering-sizeadapting-buttons' is a nice thing, and also
the idea of building 2-arrow-buttons together with a slider to controle
an active list (all with your personal images for the buttons) appeals
to me.. And ofcourse a program written with the interface can run on a
1.3 system, nice.... ;-)
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On 20-Nov-98, Michael & Tamatha Jelinek wrote:
>ok. i installed the gui lib into amospro, and now amospro freezes the
>computer when i attempt to reload it. my first guess is that i need
>amospro version 1.3 (i have 1.12). how can i upgrade amospro to 1.3?

V2.0, not 1.3. The compiler disks came with an update. Otherwise, wait a month
for the amos update files to go onto the official site and dl amos pro 2.1 (or
whatever they call it).

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On 20-Nov-98, Michael & Tamatha Jelinek wrote:
>From: Michael & Tamatha Jelinek <eliza@calweb.com>

>i haven't yet heard anything about the interface language from this list
>(i read last month's transcript and didn't see anything there, either).
>does anybody use the interface language? is anybody else having a problem
>with the writing modes, such as transparent vs opaque?
I used the interface language almost exclusively until the recent advent of
GUIExt which makes everything so much more system-friendly. Yeah, there are
some bugs (Inactive lists don't work among other things), but it's pretty
stable and easy to write for. However, why not just start using GadToolsBox
and the GUIExt? Much nicer indeed. Perhaps one day MUI will be supported in a
similar way (MUIBuilder and a MUIExt? One can only hope.)
>is it ok to whine about programming problems on this list?
That's what I always do

>if there are bugs in the interface (heresy for me to say that, i know)
>will they be fixed in AMOS II?
I can't see why Interface would get updated considering how good a replacement
the GUIExt is. Maybe I'm wrong though.
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On 21-Nov-98, Rod Whiteley wrote:
>From: Rod Whiteley <rwhiteley@magnet.com.au>

>On 20-Nov-98, Michael & Tamatha Jelinek wrote:
>>From: Michael & Tamatha Jelinek <eliza@calweb.com>

>>i haven't yet heard anything about the interface language from this list
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>>does anybody use the interface language? is anybody else having a problem
>>with the writing modes, such as transparent vs opaque?
>I used the interface language almost exclusively until the recent advent of
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>and the GUIExt? Much nicer indeed. Perhaps one day MUI will be supported in a
>similar way (MUIBuilder and a MUIExt? One can only hope.)

MUI ?!?

Its yuk, and easylife does it anyway.
I dont see how anyone could actually like it, all it does is take loads
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IS ANYBODY OUT THERE who might know how I can do that?
 With an Amiga and Amos programming language I used to 
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   What would it take to use such a program on my PC?
   Is there an Emulator for the PC to run a standard 
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I would love to hear from anybody who has been this route.
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Hi Everybody,

> IS ANYBODY OUT THERE who might know how I can do that?
> With an Amiga and Amos programming language I used to 
> write great little childrens' programs.
>   What would it take to use such a program on my PC?
>   Is there an Emulator for the PC to run a standard 
> Amiga program like Amos Basic for the Amiga?
>   OR, does Amos have a PC version of its Basic Program?
> I would love to hear from anybody who has been this route.
>   Any help or suggestion would be most welcome.
>                     Michael Hennessy  

Yep, there's two ways:

1. Wait for the AMOS clone on the PC to come out.

2. Use an Amiga Emulator. I can point you to a site where you can download a
completely setup PC amiga Emulator with s/w etc.

or if you MUST:

3. Use QbAsIc (yuck!). It comes with dos.

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From: Pietro Ghizzoni <ghizzo@agonet.it>

Hello Michael

On 20-Nov-98, Michael & Tamatha Jelinek wrote: [amos-list] Re: interface
language


> ok. i installed the gui lib into amospro, and now amospro freezes the
> computer when i attempt to reload it. my first guess is that i need
> amospro version 1.3 (i have 1.12). how can i upgrade amospro to 1.3?

AMOSPro v1.3 doesn't exist... the latest version is the V2 shipped with the
AMOSPro Compiler.... and obviously the GUI Extension require AMOSPro 2.

Note: AMOSPro V1.x is really unstable!!! expecially if you're using the AF
coverdisk version!

a little reminder: in December i'll release AMOSPro2 and Compiler for free
on the Amos Factory site!

The interface language si pretty stable.... as i know the only problems are
the Inactive List command wich doesn't exist, and some buffer problem with
REALLY big interface programs (.. just increase it to fix the problem).
Anyway the interface language will not be updated since i'm working hard in
order to make Amos more OS friendly and the interface lang. isn't the right
way. GUI Extension & OS Dev Kit Extension are the NEW AMOS interface
language ;)

Speaking about extensions.. it's the upgrade season :) Check the Amos
Factory site  because soon you'll find:

- GUI Extension v1.75

- Main AMOSPro.Lib and AMOSPro_IOPorts.Lib upgrades!!!  (yeaahhh.. now
finally TurboPrint works fine too!!!! Fuck Off OS1.3!!!!)

- DataBench Extension preview.  *NEW!!!*  (database support!)

-- 


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From: Andrew Crowe <andrewcrowe@enterprise.net>

Hi Everybody,

> MUI ?!?

> Its yuk, and easylife does it anyway.
> I dont see how anyone could actually like it, all it does is take loads
> of chipram, and its SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SLOW!

   I completely disagree. MUI offers a good looking, fully configuable
interface of amiga programs. It has features like window snapshotting,
iconifying and auto Pub. screen handeling that other GUI interfaces don't
have. It also makes writing a complex interface much easier (I've heard)
   
   And it only uses up chipmem and speed if you still don't have a GFX
board. 

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From: "Rev. Giark To You" <giark@hicksville.ddns.org>

On 21-Nov-98, Pietro Ghizzoni wrote:
>- GUI Extension v1.75
>- Main AMOSPro.Lib and AMOSPro_IOPorts.Lib upgrades!!!  (yeaahhh.. now
>finally TurboPrint works fine too!!!! Fuck Off OS1.3!!!!)
>- DataBench Extension preview.  *NEW!!!*  (database support!)

The amos site extensions page has gone missing!

Well met and godspeed,
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From: Michael & Tamatha Jelinek <eliza@calweb.com>

On Sat, Nov 21, 1998, at 10:28 PM, Pietro Ghizzoni wrote:

> .... as i know the only problems are ... and some buffer problem with
> REALLY big interface programs (.. just increase it to fix the problem).

hmmm, i wonder if that's the reason i have had to set my variable buffer
to 2 meg to avoid crashes. actually i might get away with 1 meg, but i
got so sick of trying to be efficient and only allocating the mem that i
really needed, and had to constantly bump the mem as i processed
more data.

> - DataBench Extension preview.  *NEW!!!*  (database support!)

wow what a concept...a database! heh
actually i have a game idea that is waiting to take advantage of a database
scheme. right now it is trying to get by with random access files.


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Hello, Everyone

The extensionslists at the AmosFactory should now be 100% up and running
after a couple of weeks of modifications and testing. So Rune should
proberly get that text on the frontpage changed now (inside joke..)

Anyway, with the pages appearing to run proberly there's also been room
for a few updates, new this time is CRAFT availeble for download and a
link to the supportpages for TGE... 
(Yeah I know, not an impressive update..)

The extensionlist currently looks like this:

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Slot:   Extension:                           TC:    PRO:  FLGS:
  --    AMOS                                 1.36   2.10   S
  --    FD                                   N/A    2.00   S
  01    Music                                1.54   2.00   
  01    Enhanced Music                       3.00   3.00   D
  02    Compactor                            1.20   2.00   
  03    Requester                            1.41   2.00   
  04    Voodoo-3D                            1.00   1.02   
  05    Compiler                             1.36   2.00   
  06    Serial                               1.20   N/A    
  06    IO_Devices                           N/A    2.00   
  06    IO_DevicesJ                          N/A    2.1J   D
  07    TOME                                 4.24   4.24+  S
  08    CTEXT                                1.32   N/A    
  08    AMCAF                                N/A    1.50b  S
  09    Range / Shuffle                      2.9    2.9    S
  10    Dump                                 1.00   1.00   D
  10    Ercole                               1.7    1.7    D
  10    LDOS                                 2.6    1.10   D
  11    Lserial                              2.20   1.00   D
  12    Turbo                                1.9    1.9    D
  12    Turbo Plus                           2.00   2.00   
  13    PowerBobs                            N/A    1.00   D
  14    The Game Extension                   N/A    0.4b   S
  15    D-SAM                                1.01   N/A    
  15    Delta                                N/A    1.4    D
  15    DOOM Music                           N/A    2.00   D
  16    Easylife                             1.44   1.10   D
  17    Sticks                               1.00   N/A    
  17    Falcon                               N/A    -??-   
  17    Locale                               N/A    0.26   D
  17    MakeLib                              N/A    1.2    D
  18    CRAFT                                1.00   1.00   D
  18    JD-Int                               N/A    1.3    D
  19    MusicCraft                           1.00   1.00   D
  19    JD-K3                                N/A    1.1    D
  20    Stars                                2.23b  2.23b  D
  20    JD-COLOUR                            N/A    2.00   D
  20    OS DevKit                            N/A    1.62   D
  20    THX                                  N/A    0.6    
  20    AGA                                  1.00   1.00   
  21    Opal                                 -??-   N/A    D
  21    JD-PRT                               N/A    2.00   D
  22    JD                                   N/A    5.90   D
  22    Jotre                                N/A    -??-   
  22    Second-Hand Extension                N/A    0.01d6 
  23    Colours                              N/A    1.00   D
  23    JADE                                 N/A    -??-   
  23    MISC                                 N/A    -??-   D
  23    Tools                                N/A    1.01   D
  24    Diagnostics                          -??-   N/A    
  24    GUI                                  N/A    1.70   S
  24    SLN                                  N/A    2.00   D
  25    Intuition                            1.00   1.00   D
  25    P61                                  N/A    1.2    S
  25    TFT                                  N/A    0.6    D
  25    JVP-NoKids                           N/A    1.01   D
---------------------------------------------------------------
 FLGS: D=Download availeble, S=Suportsite-link
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 Further informations on the extensions listed is online at
 http://members.xoom.com/AmosFactory/ext/index.html
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 This Extensionlist compiled: Sun 22-Nov-98
 (C) Jens Vang Petersen (top_cat@post8.tele.dk)
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From: Michael Hennessy <oneil@intergate.bc.ca>

At 11:55 AM 11/21/98 +0000, you wrote:
>From: Andrew Crowe <andrewcrowe@enterprise.net>
>
>Hi Everybody,
>
>> IS ANYBODY OUT THERE who might know how I can do that?
>> With an Amiga and Amos programming language I used to 
>> write great little childrens' programs.
>>   What would it take to use such a program on my PC?
>>   Is there an Emulator for the PC to run a standard 
>> Amiga program like Amos Basic for the Amiga?
>>   OR, does Amos have a PC version of its Basic Program?
>> I would love to hear from anybody who has been this route.
>>   Any help or suggestion would be most welcome.
>>                     Michael Hennessy  
>
>Yep, there's two ways:
>
>1. Wait for the AMOS clone on the PC to come out.
>
>2. Use an Amiga Emulator. I can point you to a site where you can download a
>completely setup PC amiga Emulator with s/w etc.
>
>or if you MUST:
>
>3. Use QbAsIc (yuck!). It comes with dos.
>
>See ya.
>-- 
>       Manta Soft  -  Amiga programing & web page designing
>   Http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Gold/1713/         ICQ: 21829166
Andrew: Thanks for the fast response.
	Is AMOS Clone in the near future or far distance?
I have used Qbasic, GFA Basic and Visual Basic but nothing equals AMOS in
ease of programming or accomplishment!
  Can you really point me to a site where I can find 'PC Amiga Emulator
completely setup'?  I would me most grateful.   Sincerely: Mike Hennessy  

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For those of you who haven't read the news, or couldn't get to my site, here's
the latest on SoloTrekIII. *Unarchive* it /and/ _read_ it!
 
Well met and godspeed,
                      Rev. Giark
                                             ICQ 12235820
                                      giark@hicksville.ddns.org
                               http://www.hicksville.ddns.org/~fbn/
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                            |     / ____/ / __  /   / ___ \ Makers of      |
                            |    / /__   / /_/ /   / /  / / SoloTrek III   |
                            |   / ___/  / ____ \  / /  / /                 |
                            |  / /     / /___/ / / /  / /   CyberSpace BBS |
                            | /_/     /_______/ /_/  /_/        TelNet     |
                            |    Fly By Nite Videe-Oh!                     |
                            |    Amiga 1200 030/50MHz 2Mb Chip 32Mb Fast   |
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Hello Michael

On 22-Nov-98, Michael & Tamatha Jelinek wrote: [amos-list] Re: Interface
lang. & More.


> hmmm, i wonder if that's the reason i have had to set my variable buffer
> to 2 meg to avoid crashes. actually i might get away with 1 meg, but i

2MB!?!?!?  16k are enough for a huge interface program!

> got so sick of trying to be efficient and only allocating the mem that i
> really needed, and had to constantly bump the mem as i processed
> more data.

No. Your probem is another.. AMOSPro v1.12 sucks!
 
>> - DataBench Extension preview.  *NEW!!!*  (database support!)
> 
> wow what a concept...a database! heh
> actually i have a game idea that is waiting to take advantage of a
database
> scheme. right now it is trying to get by with random access files.

hehe :) Yes it's a simple concept, but AMOS doesn't support it and so the
DataBench extension is welcome.

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Hi Everybody,

> Andrew: Thanks for the fast response.
>     Is AMOS Clone in the near future or far distance?

   I'm not sure how long it'll take...

> I have used Qbasic, GFA Basic and Visual Basic but nothing equals AMOS in
> ease of programming or accomplishment!

   too right ;)

>  Can you really point me to a site where I can find 'PC Amiga Emulator
> completely setup'?  I would me most grateful.   Sincerely: Mike Hennessy 


the site is

http://www.classicgaming.com/aiab/

its basically got WinUAE, a config file and a fully installed HD. directorys
for wb etc.

To use amospro with it you'll have to make an ADF disk image, theres plenty
of programs on aminet to do that, and if I were you, I'd download the main
archive on your amiga with a copy of HTTPResume, trying to get it
downloaded on my PC was a nightmare! The download keeps interupting and
theres no Http Resume like program on PC's. What a load of MS crap!. 


   Anyway, this method is not recomended for novices, so if you don't feel
happy getting it set up, then you could wait of either AmosPC clone, or
Portable AmosNG. 


See ya.
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On 21-Nov-98, Peter Cahill wrote:

>MUI ?!?

>Its yuk, and easylife does it anyway.
>I dont see how anyone could actually like it, all it does is take loads
>of chipram, and its SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SLOW!
Yes, it's slow, and it chews through the chipRAM, but it seems to be becoming
some sort of a de-facto standard for the Amiga (in the absence of a developing
OS that is). I REALLY don't want to get into an argument over this, but I just
see it as another way that AMOS gets left behind if MUI isn't supported (much
in the same way that Intuition was not supported until recently), and so
no-one took it (AMOS) seriously despite it's obvious power. As far as EASYlife
goes, Paul Hickman got it to work, but it was more 'proof of concept' than a
useable extension in regards MUI (His words), and many of MUI's more recent
functions are unsupported. Further, it's not very intuitive to use the
extension with MUI, not nearly as nice as GadToolsBox + GUIExt. 
Please let's not start a big back and forth argument over this.
All the best 
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On 22-Nov-98, Jens Vang Petersen wrote:
>The extensionslists at the AmosFactory should now be 100% up and running
>after a couple of weeks of modifications and testing.

Okay, so where's all the new stuff Pietro mentioned? Q8-{) Maybe a recent
additions page would help?

Well met and godspeed,
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Hello Rev.

On 23-Nov-98, Rev. Giark To You wrote: [amos-list] Re: Extensions

> From: "Rev. Giark To You" <giark@hicksville.ddns.org>
> 
> On 22-Nov-98, Jens Vang Petersen wrote:
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> 
> Okay, so where's all the new stuff Pietro mentioned? Q8-{) Maybe a recent
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I've sent the new stuff to Rune the other day... be patient... they should
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From: "Declan Gorman" <declan_gorman@modusmedia.com>

I am having difficulty with my program recognising Arexx commands.

I am using the GUI extension and the value -10 for Gui Wait to capture an
Arexx command.  This is where my problem starts as I cannot get this part to
recognise the Arexx command.  I am using the same code as printed in the GUI
Ext. docs and have inserted a Gui Beep at the beginning to visually alert me
when an Arexx command is received.  I run my program and the GUI opens on
workbench.  I send an Arexx command to my programs Arexx port via the shell
but there is no visual alert which leads me to believe there is a problem.

As a further test I go through the AmosPro manual and use some code from
that to do the same test.  I run my program and from the shell I address my
programs Arexx port......it works!

Is there a problem with the GUI extension and Arexx or am I just not doing
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Any help would be appreciated.

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On 23-Nov-98, Rod Whiteley wrote:
>From: Rod Whiteley <rwhiteley@magnet.com.au>

>On 21-Nov-98, Peter Cahill wrote:

>>MUI ?!?

>>Its yuk, and easylife does it anyway.
>>I dont see how anyone could actually like it, all it does is take loads
>>of chipram, and its SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SLOW!
>Yes, it's slow, and it chews through the chipRAM, but it seems to be becoming
>some sort of a de-facto standard for the Amiga (in the absence of a developing
>OS that is). I REALLY don't want to get into an argument over this, but I just
>see it as another way that AMOS gets left behind if MUI isn't supported (much
>in the same way that Intuition was not supported until recently), and so
>no-one took it (AMOS) seriously despite it's obvious power. As far as EASYlife
>goes, Paul Hickman got it to work, but it was more 'proof of concept' than a
>useable extension in regards MUI (His words), and many of MUI's more recent
>functions are unsupported. Further, it's not very intuitive to use the
>extension with MUI, not nearly as nice as GadToolsBox + GUIExt. 

I agree, but if you were to write up some procedures, the job would be done
in half the time, and for the more recent features you could use the .fd's

>Please let's not start a big back and forth argument over this. 

yeah yeah :o)

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From: citrone <citrone@wiwi.uni-frankfurt.de>

hi girlz and boys,

last i ve written a small prog to see how fast the scrolling in amos
is...
i ve opend a large screen, say 1000*1000*32 and paste few bobs around
the
screen... what happens? Few Bobs where displayed correct and few dosent
displayed. How can this be? After a while I found that all Bobs at the
bottom of the screen never been displayed. this was after the 500'th
lines..?

Later I test it in 320*1000*32 but in this reolution everything works
correctly?

btw, trying the same with ICONS in 1000*1000 also doesnt works. Any1 can

test this to see if you have the same bug??

thanx
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<garbage snipped>

the previous message was "converted from 64bit to 8bit" by my isp, and
appears as garbage in my mail program. having to resort to an "amiga mind
meld" to discern the contents, i gather this is either:

a stream of colorful metaphors

an extra-terrestrial has joined the list (welcome et!) and has not yet
learned english

a message from a microsoft app, and microsoft has forgotten how
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From: Stephen Thornber <SThornber@steve1.demon.co.uk>



Hi all

BTW - YMDQ = "Yet More Dumb Questions" ;)

can anyone help me..?


1:- is there anyway to save some variables to disk..?

2:- How do I do a collision detection routine for 40
    bobs.? without the code being 2mb in size.. ;)

3:- How do I get amospro to play a certain sample
    when it gets a certain arexx message.?


Thats all.. (for now ;)

Thanks in Advance


Steve


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Hi Everybody,


> BTW - YMDQ = "Yet More Dumb Questions" ;)

> can anyone help me..?

   why, yes...

> 1:- is there anyway to save some variables to disk..?

   yes...
--------------------------------------------------------

' Write variables

Open Out 1,"ram:tmp"

V$="I am a vairable!"
Print #1,V$

V=2929393
Print #1,V

Close 1



' Read variables 

Open In 1,"ram:tmp"

Input #1,V$
Input #1,V

Print V$,V

Close 1

--------------------------------------------------------


> 2:- How do I do a collision detection routine for 40
>    bobs.? without the code being 2mb in size.. ;)

   Yes...

--------------------------------------------------------

Screen Open 0,320,200,4,Lowres
Cls 0

Print "?"
Get Bob 1,0,0 To 8,8

Pen 3 : Locate 0,0

Print ""
Get Bob 2,0,0 To 8,8


Cls 0

Dim X(39),Y(39)

For A=0 To 39
   X(A)=Rnd(320)
   Y(A)=Rnd(200)
Next 

Double Buffer 


Do 
   
   X=X Screen(X Mouse)-8
   Y=Y Screen(Y Mouse)-8
   
   Bob 40,X,Y,2
   
   For A=0 To 39
      
      Bob A,X(A)+Rnd(4),Y(A),1
      
      Add Y(A),1,0 To 200
      
   Next 
   
   If Bob Col(40) : Rem check for col. with main bob (no. 40)
      For A=0 To 39
         
         If Col(A)
            Rem no check if minor bobs have collided with bob 40 
            Print At(0,0);A;"  "
         End If 
         
      Next 
   End If 
   
   
   Wait Vbl 
   
Loop 




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> 3:- How do I get amospro to play a certain sample
>    when it gets a certain arexx message.?

   Hmmm, I dont know...

See ya.
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Have you updated the amos library file yet? I found I had a similar problem
with trying to draw graphics below that height, and all the problem was, was
a poor version of the amos library file OS 3.1. I think I might still have
the location of where to get it I`ll repost to the list when I find it.

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From: "Rune J. Keller" <keller@vip.cybercity.dk>

I have finally updated the page with the new stuff from Pietro. That includes
new version of the AMOS Pro libs, an updated GUI extension and a preview of
the new DataBench extension. Have fun and feel really sorry for me, because
I'm actually lying sick in bed, so that's the reason for the delay :)

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Hello Rune,
  It's good to see the new people behind Amos are dedicated.  Get well soon.

Declan.

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From: "Rune J. Keller" <keller@vip.cybercity.dk>

I have finally updated the page with the new stuff from Pietro. That
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From: "David Smith" <dsmith@bexley.u-net.com>

I thought I would share some information that I have discovered accidentally.
Someone somewhere might benefit from this one day.

Whilst attempting to load a half-completed programme recently from my hard
drive, I was dismayed to see the message `Disk Error' appear on my AMOS Pro 2
editor screen. After clearing this message, however, the screen remained
blank. Remembering that AMOS always makes a backup copy of all programmes in
the shape of a .bak file, I then attempted to load that file in its stead. But
the same error message was displayed. Clearly, the same error had been saved
more than once. Next I ran Quarterback Tools in order to sort out any disk
problems - but it wasn't that.

Reluctant to start work again from scratch on a 179K sized programme, I ran
the icon/bob editor to see what shape my bobs were in. To my surprise, they
were all still there, and it seemed incomprehensible that they should have
been loaded successfully without the main programme. I then closed the bob
editor and returned to the main editor screen; amazingly, my programme now
appeared in it.

This was not the end of the problem, however. The cursor refused to move below
the first line. Hitting the `down cursor' key merely caused the "bottom of
text" message to appear in the information line, and clicking in the text had
no effect. Pressing Return made the first line of my programme disappear.
Using the Edit/Information menu showed me that AMOS thought my programme was
the correct length, that it had about the correct number of instructions, but
that it had zero visible lines. After a little more fiddling about I finally
used the Procedure/Open and Close menu commands - after this I found that the
cursor would then move to any position in my programme. I immediately saved
the programme again under a different name, hoping my problems were over.

I tried loading my newly-named programme only to receive the same disk error
message - which was becoming tiresome now. By trial and error, I eventually
worked out that the problem was caused by an apparently over-sized icon; once
that was deleted the programme then saved and re-loaded properly. Fortunately
for me I had not removed the sequence of instructions from my programme which
had drawn the icon I had created with the Get Icon command.

No maximum icon size is shown in my AMOS manual, and I was wondering whether
anyone knew what it was. (Mine was almost the width of a hi-res screen, but
now I use a packed screen to display the image).

David Smith


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Subject: [amos-list] Electronic breadboard to PCB designer .......
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From: Geoff Crankshaw <steptoe@thescrapyard.demon.co.uk>

Hi There,


 Will someone please tell me if a program that is on the PC is available on
the Amiga,or something very similiar to it.




 The program does the following :

 You design you're electronic circuit on a virtual breadboard,not worring
about crossing the wire,just draw it exactly how you would on a rough piece
of paper,then press a button,and let the program convert you're very messy
looking breadboard design into a full designed PCB,ready to be printed out
onto anything you want......

 Presumably a transparency,then you can just use UV light to create the
PCB on a copper sheet........



 And there you go,its about 150 just for a really basic version,and the
'proper' version is about 700 on the PC !!!!!!!!



 I've tried all the electronic CAD programs that I can find on the AmiNet
for the Amiga,and they are very good at designinga  layout or designing a
PCB,but the program I'm after will convert a breadboard design into a PCb
for you.





 Thanks for any help anyone can give me.....


ta ta



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From: Geoff Crankshaw <steptoe@thescrapyard.demon.co.uk>

Hello People,

 Would anyone like to take up this programming challenge for me in Amos ??


Introduction
------------
 I have been looking for an arexx compiler for 4 years,I have yet to find
one. That includes looking through Amiga magazines,PD disks,web sites,ftp
sites,mailing anyone I can think of,and leaving messages on BBS,but to no
avail.

 I do not want another line compiler and executable converter. I have all
of them.......



 I want a program that will convert an arexx script into machine code,that
will run stand alone and a damm sight faster than normal.

 If not this,convert an arexx script into another langauge that I can them
compile.



Ideas
-----
 I have got the utils that have a go at converting Amos source into C and
BlitzBasic,but these are written in BlitzBasic !!

 I have seen utils that can convert from languages like Modula 2 to Pascal
so I know it is possible.



Want
----
 To be able to convert ANY arexx script,and convert it into ASM source,C
source,BlitzBasic source or even Amos source,that I can them compile and
speed up my most used scripts.



 I want to be able to do this on one script that I use all the time to
remove those annoying BBS adds from my archives,its very good,but horribly
slow at loading the know adverts file into the array.











Suggestions
~~~~~~~~~~~
 If anybody has a script that will have the ability of going through an Lzx
OR Lha archive,picking out the nastly adverts,and saving them into a text
file that I can use either with the same program or with a dedicated
stripper I will be gratefull

 The program MUST be able to handle the nasty things that people use for
advert filenames like '*' is a common one,and the blank filename that a lot
of the listers can't handle........




 Thanks for any suggestions .......



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I got this to work last night. :)

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From: "Declan Gorman" <declan_gorman@modusmedia.com>

I am having difficulty with my program recognising Arexx commands.

I am using the GUI extension and the value -10 for Gui Wait to capture an
Arexx command.  This is where my problem starts as I cannot get this part to
recognise the Arexx command.  I am using the same code as printed in the GUI
Ext. docs and have inserted a Gui Beep at the beginning to visually alert me
when an Arexx command is received.  I run my program and the GUI opens on
workbench.  I send an Arexx command to my programs Arexx port via the shell
but there is no visual alert which leads me to believe there is a problem.

As a further test I go through the AmosPro manual and use some code from
that to do the same test.  I run my program and from the shell I address my
programs Arexx port......it works!

Is there a problem with the GUI extension and Arexx or am I just not doing
it right?

Any help would be appreciated.

Declan.


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Greetings...


I have returned from vacation.
  
What is new?

Is CBATNAM coming along??


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To the one known as Garfield,

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Well, I just got the website back online..

I went through the ibrowse cache (which survived !)




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Can anyone tell me why poking negative values to a memory bank results in a
totally different value being stored.
i.e. Poking -45 to a memory bank results in a value of 211 being returned if
you peek the same memory location.

Is this an AmosPro problem or a standard within computing?  Thanks in
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Hello, Everyone..

Some time ago I noticed that the Turbo Plus 2.00 was made availeble for
PD, Where can I get a hold of it as I would like to include it on the
extension-lists on the AmosFactory ??..

Also, has anyone made a doc/guide file for it I can include ???

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From: Jens Vang Petersen <top_cat@post8.tele.dk>

Hello Declan

On 25-Nov-98, Declan Gorman smashed the keyboard with:
> From: "Declan Gorman" <declan_gorman@modusmedia.com>
> 
> Can anyone tell me why poking negative values to a memory bank results in a
> totally different value being stored.
> i.e. Poking -45 to a memory bank results in a value of 211 being returned if
> you peek the same memory location.
> 
> Is this an AmosPro problem or a standard within computing?  Thanks in
> advance.

It's a general problem with addressing, the reason is simple, bit it's
a bit tricky to explain...

Amos stores integers as signed longwords (32 bytes) when doing a poke/
Doke the unneeded bytes is cut off. The reson you end up with 211 stored
is that 0 in binar is just 32 bits with value '0', and to create negative
numbers you then use the high-bit (bit 31) as a 'sign'-bit, but in order
to make calculations easier you then define -1 as all bytes set high..

-45 binar looks like this: '11111111 11111111 11111111 11010011' when 
you poke that the unneeded bytes is lost so the stored value is '11010011'
which happens to be 211. The same happens if you store as words with Doke
then the result is 65491.. Remember that the sign is NOT lost when you
do this, the sign-bit has just become bit 7(bytes) or 15(words) rather
than the normal 31..

You re-create the signing for bytes by simply using '=256-Peek(a)' and
for words '=65536-Deek(a)'. An alternative it to 'extend' the byte to
a longword (supported by some extensions) other extensions like AMCAF
and Tools has commands for reading signed bytes and words...

When you use signed bytes and words you move the 'range' of values you
usualy have availeble, so an unsigned byte holds 0 -> 255 while a signed
byte ranges -128 -> 127, same for words, the unsigned range is
0 -> 65535, the signed is -32768 -> 32767..
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On 25-Nov-98, Declan Gorman wrote:
> Can anyone tell me why poking negative values to a memory bank results in a
> totally different value being stored.
> i.e. Poking -45 to a memory bank results in a value of 211 being returned if
> you peek the same memory location.

> Is this an AmosPro problem or a standard within computing?  Thanks in
> advance.

This is no AMOS error! Actually you can't "normally" handle negative numbers
on a computer. When ever you poke, doke or loke a negative number to memory,
you will really poke the maximum number + your negative number.

Say  you want to enter -1 in the memory. This is what really happens:

Poke (1 byte):255 + (-1) = 254
Doke (2 bytes): 65535 + (-1) = 65534
Loke (4 bytes): 4294967296 + (-1) = 4294967295

When you peek a result back to your program, you should be aware, if you're
looking for a negative number and then use like peek(address)-255 to get your
result back.

What you would normally do is to say, that the bottom half of the results are
positive and the upper half of the results are negative. Like (for 1
byte/peek/poke):

0-127 = positive (0 -> 127)
128-255 = negative (-127 -> 0)

This is identical to saying that the first bit holds a sign which tells, if
the number is positive (0) or negative (1).

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> >a totally different value being stored. i.e. Poking -45 to a memory bank
> >results in a value of 211 being returned if you peek the same memory
> >location.
> 
> >Is this an AmosPro problem or a standard within computing?  Thanks in
> >advance.
> 
> >Declan.
> 
> I think this is a common way to handle negative values using a byte (as
> 256-45=211). I'm not sure how amos detects that it's negative (maybe there
> is a flag or something).

It`s 2`s complement.  To store a -ve number, you take the absolute 
value (45), write it in binary (00101101), invert all the bits 
(11010010), then add 1 (11010011).  If you were to then write that in 
base 10, you`d get 211.  Since the most significant bit of the number 
is 1, we know it`s -ve.  This is, therefore, a signed integer...

Now, since AMOS is returning 211 instead of -45 when you peek the 
memory, it appears that it reads all memory contents as unsigned 
integers instead, and so doesn`t do the 2`s complement conversion to 
give you the actual result.

Whether you class this as a problem or not is debateable, since there 
are times when you want to read bytes as unsigned ints, and if you 
want to retrieve the value as a -ve number, you can always write a 
simple 2`s complement function (reverse the above process) to return 
the actual -ve value.  In other words, if you know that you`ve been 
writing signed ints to memory, you can always retrieve the -ve values 
with just an extra function call, and if you know you`ve been writing 
unsigned ints, you just take the values as peek returns them.


Chris

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>From: "Declan Gorman" <declan_gorman@modusmedia.com>

>Can anyone tell me why poking negative values to a memory bank results =
in a
>totally different value being stored.
>i.e. Poking -45 to a memory bank results in a value of 211 being =
returned if
>you peek the same memory location.

>Is this an AmosPro problem or a standard within computing?  Thanks in
>advance.

>Declan.

I think this is a common way to handle negative values using a byte (as =
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Sorry to be off topic but I have a question on FPUs.

What benefits would I get from fitting a FPU to my new A1200 030 30MHz?
Do I need to buy any specific FPU or will any type work?

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Check out Rexecute from http://www.weirdscience.co.uk/ which compiles Arexx
scripts to executables.

Declan.

-----Original Message-----
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From: Geoff Crankshaw <steptoe@thescrapyard.demon.co.uk>

Hello People,

 Would anyone like to take up this programming challenge for me in Amos ??


Introduction
------------
 I have been looking for an arexx compiler for 4 years,I have yet to find
one. That includes looking through Amiga magazines,PD disks,web sites,ftp
sites,mailing anyone I can think of,and leaving messages on BBS,but to no
avail.

 I do not want another line compiler and executable converter. I have all
of them.......



 I want a program that will convert an arexx script into machine code,that
will run stand alone and a damm sight faster than normal.

 If not this,convert an arexx script into another langauge that I can them
compile.



Ideas
-----
 I have got the utils that have a go at converting Amos source into C and
BlitzBasic,but these are written in BlitzBasic !!

 I have seen utils that can convert from languages like Modula 2 to Pascal
so I know it is possible.



Want
----
 To be able to convert ANY arexx script,and convert it into ASM source,C
source,BlitzBasic source or even Amos source,that I can them compile and
speed up my most used scripts.



 I want to be able to do this on one script that I use all the time to
remove those annoying BBS adds from my archives,its very good,but horribly
slow at loading the know adverts file into the array.











Suggestions
~~~~~~~~~~~
 If anybody has a script that will have the ability of going through an Lzx
OR Lha archive,picking out the nastly adverts,and saving them into a text
file that I can use either with the same program or with a dedicated
stripper I will be gratefull

 The program MUST be able to handle the nasty things that people use for
advert filenames like '*' is a common one,and the blank filename that a lot
of the listers can't handle........




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Subject: [amos-list] Re: Electronic breadboard to PCB designer .......
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From: "Rolf Lunder" <rlunder@hem2.passagen.se>

> I've tried all the electronic CAD programs that I can find on the AmiNet
>for the Amiga,and they are very good at designinga  layout or designing a
>PCB,but the program I'm after will convert a breadboard design into a PCb
>for you.


Are you sure you've tried all progs on aminet? From the readme Pcb098.lha sound just like what you're looking for.

Rolf

PS! don't blame me if I'm wrong.. I don't know anything about these things :)


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From: Leto Kauler <letok@netspace.net.au>


WWW   - http://surf.to/starfish
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From: "Rolf Lunder" <rlunder@hem2.passagen.se>

>From: "Declan Gorman" <declan_gorman@modusmedia.com>
>
>Can anyone tell me why poking negative values to a memory bank results in a
>totally different value being stored.
>i.e. Poking -45 to a memory bank results in a value of 211 being returned if
>you peek the same memory location.
>
>Is this an AmosPro problem or a standard within computing?  Thanks in
>advance.


This is infact quite logical because a byte can only hold 256 different numbers (0 - 255). When poking a negative number into memory you'll get an overflow (or "underflow" ;) error. To get around this you can use numbers 0 - 127 for positive numbers (0 - 127) and 128 - 255 (-127 - -1)  for negative numbers. This is the only way to get a signed byte. If you need more use words which has 65536 possible unsigned values.

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On 25-Nov-98, Declan Gorman wrote:
>Can anyone tell me why poking negative values to a memory bank results in a
>totally different value being stored.

I could be wrong, but a negative number is signified by a bit being set. So, a
peek would not return the proper value, you'd have to do a bit of converting.

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> From: "Declan Gorman" <declan_gorman@modusmedia.com>
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> Sorry to be off topic but I have a question on FPUs.
> 
> What benefits would I get from fitting a FPU to my new A1200 030 30MHz?
> Do I need to buy any specific FPU or will any type work?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Declan.
> 
You'll speed up all floating point operations... This will be 
especially noticable in thing like Lightwave and imagine etc. but 
won't make a difference in any games (well, probably not) - games 
like alien breed will use integer math so speeding up floating point 
maths wont help. As far as I know, one FPU is pretty much the same as 
another - but I'd assume the more expensive ones are faster.
You'll need an FPU that's compatible with your 030 card though...

I think that's right.

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I have been off the list for a few months because i am busy testing with
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How is the AMOS/NG coming ???

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I am willing to take on this conversion, with some help from some
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From: "Garfield Benjamin" <gbenjam@sosbbs.com>

Hello...

Anyone want some Amiga programs??
Like Commercial, Coverdisks, PD games, Utilities, etc??

Am cleaning out my place... and these 500 or so Amiga floppies
really need to go!!! 

So, if anyone is interested then let me know and I will archive the
disks and beam them to you via the Internet... of course, can send
you the disks too, but that would cost a bit...  LOL

Anyway, to give you an idea of the things available, here is just one
stack I grabbed at random...  

IT CAME FROM THE DESERT     Reels 1, 2 and 3      (Cool Game!!)
CUBIC DEMO      (Impressive Demo written in AMOS)
HANNISS 5         (Another group makes an impressive AMOS demo)
JABBERWOCK DEMO   (Well, take a guess - cool)
Amiga Format Coverdisk 81b   =   Zeewolf 2 Demo
Amiga Shopper Coverdisk 1395_1   =   INTOS, AMOSzine, etc.
Amiga Shopper Coverdisk 1395_2   =   VirusProtector, MusicEd, etc.
CU Amiga Coverdisk 90   =   Dir Work 2 & Amiga Music Convertor
Amiga Format Coverdisk 67a   =   AMOS Professional
Amiga Power Coverdisk 47_1   =   Guardian & Derring-Do(AMOS)
Amiga Computing Disk Mar97_1   =   Tiny Troops
Amiga Computing Disk Apr97_1   =   Turbo Print 5
Amiga Computing Disk Apr97_2   =   PC Task v4 and more programs
NPD Disk GAM307   =   Sploggy (game)
Duck Dodgers         =   Game by two people in my old group!! 
 

As you can see, these stacks are really full of some decent stuff...
if you see anything you want just let me know!!

Also, bear in mind this is only like 1/25 of the total disks available...
so if you are interested in hearing about another stack tell me!!


                Garfield Benjamin    e-mail:gbenjam@sosbbs.com
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From: "David Vivash" <PMA98DAV@sheffield.ac.uk>


> From: Leto Kauler <letok@netspace.net.au>
> 
> 
> *HOORAY!!!*  I can now /succesfully/ post to the list! _Sorry_ to
> everyone for having to put up with all those cr*p tests....
> 
> Leto :)
> 
> How about people checking out my homepage as a celebratory
> gesture??? ;)
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Cool web page.

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From: Braneloc@mirex.demon.co.uk (Keith Hill) (Keith Hill)

To the one known as Declan,

> From: "Declan Gorman" <declan_gorman@modusmedia.com>
> 
> Can anyone tell me why poking negative values to a memory bank results in a
> totally different value being stored.
> i.e. Poking -45 to a memory bank results in a value of 211 being returned if
> you peek the same memory location.

This is in fact normal.  See below.

> Is this an AmosPro problem or a standard within computing?  Thanks in
> advance.

It's both..

I've been reading through the answers people have written, and most of them are
correct... ;-)

..but they missed out the reason why.

The method you are using to store your numbers is different to the way you
are retriving the numbers, it's like mixing integer variables and real floating
point numbers.  Poke assumes you are storing a number from -128 to 127, and peek
assumes you are reading a number from 0 to 255.  This of course, causes the
whole thing to be offset a bit (cough).

It's the same as saying l=3.4 and wondering why it comes out 3 in integer.  There
isn't the space for the .4, so it ignores it.  Same with the negative.  There 
isn't space to poke a negative number, so it converts it to a positive.

Except you are going to read this message re-written and commented on by every
member of the list...  Have fun.  Don'tcha just love binary ?


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From: "David Vivash" <PMA98DAV@sheffield.ac.uk>

Yep, off topic again... but - I'm trying to write some programming 
tutorials  (on AMOS ) on the web - so I suppose it's not *that* off 
topic. The problem I've got is getting the 'less-than' character (ie. 
<) printed on a web page, so I can have lines like "If A<B Then" etc. 
Just typing that in as text doesn't work as the'<' represents a tag 
in HTML and so loads of my text disappears into and abyss or 
somewhere after that. Any help would be much appreciated...

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> typing that in as text doesn't work as the'<' represents a tag in HTML and
> so loads of my text disappears into and abyss or somewhere after that. Any
> help would be much appreciated...

Use the &lt; entity...  And if you want a >, it`s &gt;


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From: Leto Kauler <letok@netspace.net.au>


Wow, David! You've had some *problems*!!!

BTW Everyone!!! -- I THINK I've worked out the problem with this
alien gobble-de-gook I've been (unintentionally) posting to the
list. I believe it is caused by my signature file which uses
"alt" symbols and seems to upset a number of servers.... will
have to change it....

Leto :)

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From: Leto Kauler <letok@netspace.net.au>


Hey Garfield,

Yeah, I'd be interesting in hearing about what else you've got!

Leto :)

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*HOORAY!!!*  I can now /succesfully/ post to the list! _Sorry_ to
everyone for having to put up with all those cr*p tests....

Leto :)

How about people checking out my homepage as a celebratory
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From: "David Smith" <dsmith@bexley.u-net.com>

>> From: "Declan Gorman" <declan_gorman@modusmedia.com>

>> Can anyone tell me why poking negative values to a memory bank results in a
>> totally different value being stored. i.e. Poking -45 to a memory bank
>> results in a value of 211 being returned if you peek the same memory
>> location.

>This is in fact normal.  See below.

>> Is this an AmosPro problem or a standard within computing?  Thanks in
>> advance.

>It's both..

>I've been reading through the answers people have written, and most of them
>are correct... ;-)

>..but they missed out the reason why.

>The method you are using to store your numbers is different to the way you
>are retriving the numbers, it's like mixing integer variables and real
>floating point numbers.  Poke assumes you are storing a number from -128 to
>127, and peek assumes you are reading a number from 0 to 255.  This of
>course, causes the whole thing to be offset a bit (cough).

>It's the same as saying l=3.4 and wondering why it comes out 3 in integer. 
>There isn't the space for the .4, so it ignores it.  Same with the negative. 
>There  isn't space to poke a negative number, so it converts it to a
>positive.

>Except you are going to read this message re-written and commented on by
>every member of the list...  Have fun.  Don'tcha just love binary ?

There is a way round it: poke all your variables in as strings of the same
length, read them back also as strings and then do a VAL on what has been
retrieved. If normal rules don't work - cheat!

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Hi

>From: "Garfield Benjamin" <gbenjam@sosbbs.com>
>Anyone want some Amiga programs??

Yeah!

>Also, bear in mind this is only like 1/25 of the total disks available...
>so if you are interested in hearing about another stack tell me!!

yeah please give me a list.. :)

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Hi Rev. Giark,

I have installed ST3 and the Moded but I get an error 'can`t open
narrator', when I try to edit events or anything below that.
When I try to test the module it also has the same message.
When I load th module in the game proper it loads the data then crashes
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On 25-Nov-98, Jens Vang Petersen wrote:
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>extension-lists on the AmosFactory ?

I've got it, if no one else will `fess up.

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Thanks for all your help.

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> >From: "Garfield Benjamin" <gbenjam@sosbbs.com>
> >Anyone want some Amiga programs??
> >Also, bear in mind this is only like 1/25 of the total disks available...
> >so if you are interested in hearing about another stack tell me!!

I've got most of the stuff in the other list, so... pretty please 
could you tell me about any other interesting stuff? Pleeeeease...

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> From: "David Smith" <dsmith@bexley.u-net.com>
> 
> >> From: "Declan Gorman" <declan_gorman@modusmedia.com>
> 
> >> Can anyone tell me why poking negative values to a memory bank results in a
> >> totally different value being stored. i.e. Poking -45 to a memory bank
> >> results in a value of 211 being returned if you peek the same memory
> >> location.
> 
> >This is in fact normal.  See below.
> 
> >> Is this an AmosPro problem or a standard within computing?  Thanks in
> >> advance.
> 
> >It's both..
> 
> >I've been reading through the answers people have written, and most of them
> >are correct... ;-)
> 
> >..but they missed out the reason why.
> 
> >The method you are using to store your numbers is different to the way you
> >are retriving the numbers, it's like mixing integer variables and real
> >floating point numbers.  Poke assumes you are storing a number from -128 to
> >127, and peek assumes you are reading a number from 0 to 255.  This of
> >course, causes the whole thing to be offset a bit (cough).
> 
> >It's the same as saying l=3.4 and wondering why it comes out 3 in integer. 
> >There isn't the space for the .4, so it ignores it.  Same with the negative. 
> >There  isn't space to poke a negative number, so it converts it to a
> >positive.
> 
> >Except you are going to read this message re-written and commented on by
> >every member of the list...  Have fun.  Don'tcha just love binary ?
> 
> There is a way round it: poke all your variables in as strings of the same
> length, read them back also as strings and then do a VAL on what has been
> retrieved. If normal rules don't work - cheat!
> 
> David Smith

Yeah that'll be a bit slow though. Just do A=Poke ADDRESS : If A>127 
Then Add A,-256. 

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> Some time ago I noticed that the Turbo Plus 2.00 was made availeble for
> PD, Where can I get a hold of it as I would like to include it on the
> extension-lists on the AmosFactory ??..

I believe that was me that made it available. I've already sent the
archives to Rune for posting on the AMOS Factory site. My site
(Parrottsoft) is finally getting underway tomorrow, so go there and get it.
For the Extension-list, you'll have to talk to Rune about it. :)

> Also, has anyone made a doc/guide file for it I can include ???
I've got the doc's, but I have yet to scan them (technical difficulties).

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-----Original Message-----
From: David Smith <dsmith@bexley.u-net.com>
To: Keith Hill <amos-list@onelist.com>
Date: 26 November 1998 21:25
Subject: [amos-list] Re: Poke to memory


>From: "David Smith" <dsmith@bexley.u-net.com>
>
>>> From: "Declan Gorman" <declan_gorman@modusmedia.com>
>
>>> Can anyone tell me why poking negative values to a memory bank results
in a
>>> totally different value being stored. i.e. Poking -45 to a memory bank
>>> results in a value of 211 being returned if you peek the same memory
>>> location.
>
>>This is in fact normal.  See below.
>
>>> Is this an AmosPro problem or a standard within computing?  Thanks in
>>> advance.
>
>>It's both..
>
>>I've been reading through the answers people have written, and most of
them
>>are correct... ;-)
>
>>..but they missed out the reason why.
>
>>The method you are using to store your numbers is different to the way you
>>are retriving the numbers, it's like mixing integer variables and real
>>floating point numbers.  Poke assumes you are storing a number from -128
to
>>127, and peek assumes you are reading a number from 0 to 255.  This of
>>course, causes the whole thing to be offset a bit (cough).
>
>>It's the same as saying l=3.4 and wondering why it comes out 3 in integer.
>>There isn't the space for the .4, so it ignores it.  Same with the
negative.
>>There  isn't space to poke a negative number, so it converts it to a
>>positive.
>
>>Except you are going to read this message re-written and commented on by
>>every member of the list...  Have fun.  Don'tcha just love binary ?
>
>There is a way round it: poke all your variables in as strings of the same
>length, read them back also as strings and then do a VAL on what has been
>retrieved. If normal rules don't work - cheat!
>

Oh my god! How much memory do you want to use... and dont get me started on
speed!
What do you mean Poke is expecting you to be poking a number between -128
and 127? Poke is filling the available bits.. (8 in a byte) with the
information on the integer! which will be stored as 0 to 255 same as peek
reads it in as 0 to 255... If you want a way round it do as others have said
use an offset of 127 so if you want to poke -10 actually poke 127-10 = 117
then when you read it in reverse the equation
A = peek( Address ) : A= A - 127 : A = 10

there you go!
GoodEvening and Welcome!

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> From:          "David Vivash" <PMA98DAV@sheffield.ac.uk>
> 
> > >> Can anyone tell me why poking negative values to a memory bank results in a
> > >> totally different value being stored. i.e. Poking -45 to a memory bank
> > >> results in a value of 211 being returned if you peek the same memory
> > >> location.
> > There is a way round it: poke all your variables in as strings of the same
> > length, read them back also as strings and then do a VAL on what has been
> > retrieved. If normal rules don't work - cheat!
> > 
> > David Smith
> 
> Yeah that'll be a bit slow though. Just do A=Poke ADDRESS : If A>127 
> Then Add A,-256. 
>

Whoops, I meant A=Peek ADDRESS...

Oh yes and 255 in 8-bit is 11111111, so which is -1 if you want it 
signed. ie. 255=-1... 128=-127... hence my previous code


I think that's right. 

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> From:          "David Vivash" <PMA98DAV@sheffield.ac.uk>
> 
> > From:          "David Vivash" <PMA98DAV@sheffield.ac.uk>
> > 
> > > >> Can anyone tell me why poking negative values to a memory bank results in a
> > > >> totally different value being stored. i.e. Poking -45 to a memory bank
> > > >> results in a value of 211 being returned if you peek the same memory
> > > >> location.
> > > There is a way round it: poke all your variables in as strings of the same
> > > length, read them back also as strings and then do a VAL on what has been
> > > retrieved. If normal rules don't work - cheat!
> > > 
> > > David Smith
> > 
> > Yeah that'll be a bit slow though. Just do A=Poke ADDRESS : If A>127 
> > Then Add A,-256. 
> >
> 
> Whoops, I meant A=Peek ADDRESS...
> 
> Oh yes and 255 in 8-bit is 11111111, so which is -1 if you want it 
> signed. ie. 255=-1... 128=-127... hence my previous code
> 
> 
> I think that's right. 
Whoops, another debug, it should be 128=-128 above... My code should 
have read:
A=Peek ADDRESS
If A>127 Then Add A,-256
And that's it. Providing you're only wanting to store numbers between 
-128 and 127 this'll work fine (ie. you can poke as normal but peek 
using the above method - poke Address,-100 will be peeked as -100 
using the above. Probably.)

I really do think this is right now. 

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>From: "John Glanville" <John.Glanville@btinternet.com>

>>From: "David Smith" <dsmith@bexley.u-net.com>
>>
>>>> From: "Declan Gorman" <declan_gorman@modusmedia.com>
>>
>>>> Can anyone tell me why poking negative values to a memory bank results
>in a
>>>> totally different value being stored. i.e. Poking -45 to a memory bank
>>>> results in a value of 211 being returned if you peek the same memory
>>>> location.
>>
>>>This is in fact normal.  See below.
>>
>>>> Is this an AmosPro problem or a standard within computing?  Thanks in
>>>> advance.
>>
>>>It's both..
>>
>>>I've been reading through the answers people have written, and most of
>them
>>>are correct... ;-)
>>
>>>..but they missed out the reason why.
>>
>>>The method you are using to store your numbers is different to the way you
>>>are retriving the numbers, it's like mixing integer variables and real
>>>floating point numbers.  Poke assumes you are storing a number from -128
>to
>>>127, and peek assumes you are reading a number from 0 to 255.  This of
>>>course, causes the whole thing to be offset a bit (cough).
>>
>>>It's the same as saying l=3.4 and wondering why it comes out 3 in integer.
>>>There isn't the space for the .4, so it ignores it.  Same with the
>negative.
>>>There  isn't space to poke a negative number, so it converts it to a
>>>positive.
>>
>>>Except you are going to read this message re-written and commented on by
>>>every member of the list...  Have fun.  Don'tcha just love binary ?
>>
>>There is a way round it: poke all your variables in as strings of the same
>>length, read them back also as strings and then do a VAL on what has been
>>retrieved. If normal rules don't work - cheat!
>>

>Oh my god! How much memory do you want to use... and dont get me started on
>speed!
>What do you mean Poke is expecting you to be poking a number between -128
>and 127? Poke is filling the available bits.. (8 in a byte) with the
>information on the integer! which will be stored as 0 to 255 same as peek
>reads it in as 0 to 255... If you want a way round it do as others have said
>use an offset of 127 so if you want to poke -10 actually poke 127-10 = 117
>then when you read it in reverse the equation
>A = peek( Address ) : A= A - 127 : A = 10

I never claim that my solutions are fast, neat or economical on memory. I only
claim that this one works with any number and thereby solves the problem first
put forward. It should also work with decimal point and hex numbers, if anyone
thinks that's worth anything. But I'm sure someone out there has a faster,
neater, more environmentally friendly way of doing it - there always is!

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Just an anouncement, I've just about had it with my loose-pile-of-paper-
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Okay -- stupid question time...

If I use a "Bar" command, would it be quicker to draw it on a
Non-double-buffered screen or a double-buffered screen, or would
it be the same?  It seems obvious that it _would_ be quicker
without buffering, but I'd just like to check with knowledgable
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Hi Everybody,

> If I use a "Bar" command, would it be quicker to draw it on a
> Non-double-buffered screen or a double-buffered screen, or would
> it be the same?  It seems obvious that it _would_ be quicker
> without buffering, but I'd just like to check with knowledgable
> people!

   It is indeed slower to use it with a double buffered screen, because it
has to draw the bar twice for each buffer:

''''''''''' Single buffer:

Bar 0,0 to 100,100 etc..


''''''''''' Double buffer:
Double buffer
Autoback 0

bar 0,0 to 100,100
screen swap
bar 0,0 to 100,100 etc..



     Ofcorce, you don't /have/ to draw 2 bars in double buffer mode, it'll
just flicker on and off as you swap screens (you might want this effect;)

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From: Jens Vang Petersen <top_cat@post8.tele.dk>

Hello, Everyone..

I noticed some time ago that the music extension was obsolete (true)
and that it would proberly be removed in future updates. Well I just
wondered, what about the support for 'narrator.device' and the two
file commands 'Sload' and 'Ssave' which proberly are the only realy
usefull commands in that extension (Sload and Ssave should proberly
belong in the IO_Devices anyway..)

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From bounce-amos-list--1870-mcox=access.digex.net@onelist.com Sat Nov 28 09:52:48 1998
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Hello, Everyone..

The extensionlists at the AMOS Factory has been updated again. New this
time is download of Turbo Plus V2.00, and an AmigaGuide commandreference
for that extension.. BTW: The AmigaGuide is stored in seperate archive,
so it's not required to download the entire extension..

The extensionlist looks like this now:
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Slot:   Extension:                           TC:    PRO:  FLGS:
  --    AMOS                                 1.36   2.10   S
  --    FD                                   N/A    2.00   S
  01    Music                                1.54   2.00   
  01    Enhanced Music                       3.00   3.00   D
  02    Compactor                            1.20   2.00   
  03    Requester                            1.41   2.00   
  04    Voodoo-3D                            1.00   1.02   
  05    Compiler                             1.36   2.00   
  06    Serial                               1.20   N/A    
  06    IO_Devices                           N/A    2.10   D
  06    IO_DevicesJ                          N/A    2.1J   
  07    TOME                                 4.24   4.24+  S
  08    CTEXT                                1.32   N/A    
  08    AMCAF                                N/A    1.50b  S
  09    Range / Shuffle                      2.9    2.9    S
  10    Dump                                 1.00   1.00   D
  10    Ercole                               1.7    1.7    D
  10    LDOS                                 2.6    1.10   D
  11    Lserial                              2.20   1.00   D
  12    Turbo                                1.9    1.9    D
  12    Turbo Plus                           2.00   2.00   D
  13    PowerBobs                            N/A    1.00   D
  14    The Game Extension                   N/A    0.4b   S
  15    D-SAM                                1.01   N/A    
  15    Delta                                N/A    1.4    D
  15    DOOM Music                           N/A    2.00   D
  16    Easylife                             1.44   1.10   D
  17    Sticks                               1.00   N/A    
  17    Falcon                               N/A    -??-   
  17    Locale                               N/A    0.26   D
  17    MakeLib                              N/A    1.2    D
  18    CRAFT                                1.00   1.00   D
  18    JD-Int                               N/A    1.3    D
  19    MusicCraft                           1.00   1.00   D
  19    JD-K3                                N/A    1.1    D
  20    Stars                                2.23b  2.23b  D
  20    JD-COLOUR                            N/A    2.00   D
  20    OS DevKit                            N/A    1.62   D
  20    THX                                  N/A    0.6    
  20    AGA                                  1.00   1.00   
  21    Opal                                 -??-   N/A    D
  21    JD-PRT                               N/A    2.00   D
  21    Databench                            N/A    0.42   D
  22    JD                                   N/A    5.90   D
  22    Jotre                                N/A    -??-   
  22    Second-Hand Extension                N/A    0.01d6 
  23    Colours                              N/A    1.00   D
  23    JADE                                 N/A    -??-   
  23    MISC                                 N/A    -??-   D
  23    Tools                                N/A    1.01   D
  24    Diagnostics                          -??-   N/A    
  24    GUI                                  N/A    1.75   S
  24    SLN                                  N/A    2.00   D
  25    Intuition                            1.00   1.00   D
  25    P61                                  N/A    1.2    S
  25    TFT                                  N/A    0.6    D
  25    JVP-NoKids                           N/A    1.01   D
---------------------------------------------------------------
 FLGS: D=Download availeble, S=Suportsite-link
---------------------------------------------------------------
 Further informations on the extensions listed is online at
 http://members.xoom.com/AmosFactory/ext/index.html
---------------------------------------------------------------
 This Extensionlist compiled: Sat 28-Nov-98
 (C) Jens Vang Petersen (top_cat@post8.tele.dk)
---------------------------------------------------------------

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Thanks, Andrew. That's what I thought :)

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Hello AMOS Users...

    When I try to compile any program while using the new "AMOSPro.Lib",
every compiled program when ran says "Illegal Function Call Line 7".  Has
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    Also, anyone using a Picasso IV (with P96) have problems with Interlace
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Hi Everybody,

>    When I try to compile any program while using the new
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> every compiled program when ran says "Illegal Function Call Line 7". 
Has
> anyone else noticed this?

   Your right, Even programs that I compiled before I upgraded the
AmosPro.lib don't work. And some of my more complex programs actually
crash my amiga when compiled. What's going on? I'll have to find my old
AMOSPro.Lib now ;(.


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Testing.....

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On 29-Nov-98, Andrew Crowe wrote:
>>    When I try to compile any program while using the new
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>> every compiled program when ran says "Illegal Function Call Line 7". 
>   Your right, Even programs that I compiled before I upgraded the
>AmosPro.lib don't work.

What computer? I haven't noticed any problems.

Well met and godspeed,
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Hey Rev....

On 29-Nov-98, didn't you say...
> From: "Rev. Giark To You" <giark@hicksville.ddns.org>

> On 29-Nov-98, Andrew Crowe wrote:
>>>    When I try to compile any program while using the new
>> "AMOSPro.Lib",
>>> every compiled program when ran says "Illegal Function Call Line 7". 
>>   Your right, Even programs that I compiled before I upgraded the
>> AmosPro.lib don't work.

> What computer? I haven't noticed any problems.

I have a 4000T 060/PPC.  Every program I tried, even a one like:

Print "Hello World!"

would give me an "Illegal Function Call" error.

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From: Palle Anker Larsen <p.larsen@vip.cybercity.dk>

Hi Andrew!

Den 29-Nov-98 skrev Andrew Crowe:

AC>  From: Andrew Crowe <andrewcrowe@enterprise.net>
AC>  
AC>  Hi Everybody,
AC>  
AC> >    When I try to compile any program while using the new
AC>  "AMOSPro.Lib",
AC> > every compiled program when ran says "Illegal Function Call Line 7". 
AC>  Has
AC> > anyone else noticed this?
AC>  
AC>    Your right, Even programs that I compiled before I upgraded the
AC>  AmosPro.lib don't work. And some of my more complex programs actually
AC>  crash my amiga when compiled. What's going on? I'll have to find my old
AC>  AMOSPro.Lib now ;(.

I'm using the new AMOSPro.Lib without any problems, but I'm not programming
games, I make tools using the GuiExtension, and so far they work as they
supposed to, what type of interface are you using AmosScreen or Gui???. 


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From: Palle Anker Larsen <p.larsen@vip.cybercity.dk>

Hi Rev. Giark!

Den 30-Nov-98 skrev Rev. Giark To You:


RGTY> >> What computer? I haven't noticed any problems.
RGTY> > I have a 4000T 060/PPC. 
RGTY>  
RGTY>  I have an 030/50. I'm not sure what Pietro has, but it looks like it
RGTY>  might have difficulties with either 060 or ppc. I've compiled
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RGTY>  and they all work fine.

No problems on 060, it might be that PPC B***S***, there seems to be lotsa
problems with the PPC card, or maby MKIII, I has NO problems with my
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On 29-Nov-98, Christopher Kossa wrote:
>>>Your right, Even programs that I compiled before I upgraded the
>>>AmosPro.lib don't work.
>> What computer? I haven't noticed any problems.
>I have a 4000T 060/PPC. 

I have an 030/50. I'm not sure what Pietro has, but it looks like it might
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On 30-Nov-98, Rev. Giark To You wrote:

>>>> Your right, Even programs that I compiled before I upgraded the
>>>> AmosPro.lib don't work.
>>> What computer? I haven't noticed any problems.
>> I have a 4000T 060/PPC. 

> I have an 030/50. I'm not sure what Pietro has, but it looks like it might
> have difficulties with either 060 or ppc. I've compiled programs and they
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> work fine.

I have both 68060 and PPC and no problems at all.

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On 30-Nov-98, Palle Anker Larsen wrote:
>>>I have a 4000T 060/PPC. 
>> I have an 030/50. I'm not sure what Pietro has, but it looks like it
>> might have difficulties with either 060 or ppc. I've compiled
>>programs
>>and they all work fine.
>No problems on 060, it might be that PPC B***S***, there seems to be lotsa
>problems with the PPC card, or maby MKIII, I has NO problems with my
>MKII060.

And, if you were wondering, I use both gui extension interface and amos
screens with the new library, and have had no problems with either.

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On 30-Nov-98, Rune J. Keller wrote:
>> I have an 030/50. I'm not sure what Pietro has, but it looks like it might
>I have both 68060 and PPC and no problems at all.

Perhaps it is an extension causing the problem?

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Hi Everybody,
 
>>   Your right, Even programs that I compiled before I upgraded the
>> AmosPro.lib don't work.

> What computer? I haven't noticed any problems.

A1200, 040, PPC. Prehaps it is a prob with PPC cards. 
But its still a bug...

Anyway, whats the difference between the old and new version? I've gone
back to the old version which has no probs.

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From: David Brian Hayes <dbh02@students.stir.ac.uk>

This might sound like a completely stupid idea, ie you`ve probably tried this,
or you might not have done, but;-

Are you running the compiled version of AMOS Compiler? If you are, and you
haven`t already re-compiled the compiler shell, it might be worth doing so. So
basically what I`m on about is loading the compiler into amospro editor,
compiling it with itself, and saving out the finished amigados only version, and
running that. I might not even work, but it could be worth a try!

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From: Stephen Thornber <SThornber@steve1.demon.co.uk>



Hi All


I'm sending off for a 160mhz PPC+060/50+SCSI2 on wednesday.
will AmosPro2 still work..??

(I currently use a v e r y s l o w 030/40 :)

Steve

BTW - Greetings to PAC, Chris, and the other guys on #amos ;)


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From: Andrew Crowe <andrewcrowe@enterprise.net>

Hi Everybody,

> I'm sending off for a 160mhz PPC+060/50+SCSI2 on wednesday.
> will AmosPro2 still work..??

> (I currently use a v e r y s l o w 030/40 :)

   Well, it works with my A1200 PPC/040 and I know my RPG works no prob
on an 060, so it should work perfectly. 
   
PS. If you do get a PPC, Don't upgrade your Flashrom yet, the current
one has lotsa bugs in it ;(

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Hey AMOS'ers...

On 30-Nov-98, didn't you say...
> On 30-Nov-98, Andrew Crowe wrote: [amos-list] Re: Trouble Compiling
>> A1200, 040, PPC. Prehaps it is a prob with PPC cards. 

Did you install the last FlashROM update (11-Jul) like I did?

> ...clip...
> Have you installed the Turbo Extension v2? Remove it , reinstall the new
> AMOSPro.Lib, try again and let me know.

I tried with just the Music, Compactor, Requestor, IODev, and Compiler
extension.  Installed the AMOSPro.Lib and I still get the same error.

Poor Pietro, with all the bugs he's trying to fix the old Amos, he'll never
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From: "Rev. Giark To You" <giark@hicksville.ddns.org>

On 30-Nov-98, Pietro Ghizzoni wrote:
>> A1200, 040, PPC. Prehaps it is a prob with PPC cards. 
>> But its still a bug...
>Have you installed the Turbo Extension v2? Remove it , reinstall the new
>AMOSPro.Lib, try again and let me know.

I've got Turbo v2 installed and had no probs, but I'm not using any turbo
commands yet.

Well met and godspeed,
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