From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Sep 3 12:38:59 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA11159 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 3 Sep 1993 12:38:54 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA07895; Fri, 3 Sep 93 12:38:33 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA01151 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Fri, 3 Sep 1993 12:28:14 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA01147 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 3 Sep 1993 12:28:11 -0400 Received: from ACS.BU.EDU by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA10067 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 3 Sep 1993 12:28:09 -0400 Received: from ACS2.BU.EDU by acs.bu.edu (5.61+++/AIX-3.2) id AA142506; Fri, 3 Sep 93 12:27:26 -0400 From: hacker@acs.bu.edu (Jose Elias) Received: by acs2.bu.edu (5.61+++/Spike-2.1) id AA83216; Fri, 3 Sep 93 12:26:52 -0400 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 93 12:26:52 -0400 Message-Id: <9309031626.AA83216@acs2.bu.edu> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Look at this 24 lines of code Status: RO HI everyone!!! I recently posted some help on a flickering bob routine and got about 5 different answers, three of them worked, but two of them were FAST, and so I decided to use the shortest one of the two. Now my problem is, when I tried the piece of code in a small individual program, everything worked fine, BUT when I tried it in my real-life 24k program, for some reason I get NOTHING on the screen!!! So here's the 24k code reduced to about 24 lines, I'll just show you the commands that have anything to do whith handling graphics, ok? here it is: screen open 1,352,240,32,lowres load iff "infest:gameboard",1 screen display 1,,20,, screen to front 1 load iff "infest:players",2 screen to back 2 change mouse 2 double buffer autoback 0 update off . . . load "infest:infestbobs.abk",1 screen 1 load "infest:samples.abk",1 sam bank 1 . . . Piece-Anim : rem calls the procedure you guys helped me with . . . procedure Piece-Anim for range=rangeL to rangeR bob clear bob 1,xblit,yblit,range bob draw screen swap wait 2 next range end proc rem this is it!, so what am I doing wrong here????????????? p.s.: Are there any books that actually EXPLAIN what each command REALLY does and how it AFFECTS other commads later on in your code??? sincerely, hacker@acs.bu.edu p.s.: THANKS in advance everyone!!! From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Sep 3 12:51:45 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA12331 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 3 Sep 1993 12:51:43 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA09984; Fri, 3 Sep 93 12:51:04 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA01206 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Fri, 3 Sep 1993 12:41:42 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA01202 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 3 Sep 1993 12:41:30 -0400 Received: from vax.mbhs.edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA11302 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 3 Sep 1993 12:41:27 -0400 Message-Id: <199309031641.AA11302@access.digex.net> Date: 3 Sep 93 12:37:00 EST From: "Andrew Church" <95ACHURCH@vax.mbhs.edu> Subject: Re: Jumping/flicker To: "amos-list" Status: RO >This is what I do at the end of my progs main loop: >(with double buffer, autoback0, update off, autoview off at the start of the >prog) > >Wait Vbl >Screen Swap 0 >Screen Offset 0,xf,yf >view > >No flicker at all, smoooooth scrolling. :) Well, if you use double buffering, that makes it easy. But I am writing my game in C, and then it's just one more thing I don't want to bother with if I don't have to. However, I actually hadn't thought of using that method in my AMOS programs. Thanks. --Andy Church From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Sep 3 13:17:20 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA16651 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 3 Sep 1993 13:17:12 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA14646; Fri, 3 Sep 93 13:16:29 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA01279 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Fri, 3 Sep 1993 12:51:20 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA01275 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 3 Sep 1993 12:51:19 -0400 Received: by access.digex.net id AA12273 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list@access.digex.com); Fri, 3 Sep 1993 12:51:16 -0400 From: Michael 'AMOS' Cox Message-Id: <199309031651.AA12273@access.digex.net> Subject: Re: Look at this 24 lines of code To: amos-list@access.digex.net (AMOS Mailing List) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1993 12:51:15 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <9309031626.AA83216@acs2.bu.edu> from "Jose Elias" at Sep 3, 93 12:26:52 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 706 Status: RO >p.s.: Are there any books that actually EXPLAIN what each > command REALLY does and how it AFFECTS other commads > later on in your code??? Well, the only AMOS books are: Amiga Game Maker's Manual by Stephen Hill, Mastering Amiga AMOS by Phil South, and AMOS In Action by Ann and Len Tucker. I think the last one is more advanced. Phil's is an excellent book and is meant to be a companion to the AMOS manual. Mike -- Michael Cox Work: mcox@access.digex.com Amiga Conquers, AMOS Rules! Play: aj639@cleveland.freenet.edu This space intentionally left blank Fido: 1:109/456.0 The text above is my own and all that other disclaimer junk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Sep 3 13:08:47 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA15289 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 3 Sep 1993 13:08:45 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA12706; Fri, 3 Sep 93 13:07:26 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA01250 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Fri, 3 Sep 1993 12:42:43 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA01246 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 3 Sep 1993 12:42:40 -0400 Received: from vax.mbhs.edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA11424 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 3 Sep 1993 12:42:36 -0400 Message-Id: <199309031642.AA11424@access.digex.net> Date: 3 Sep 93 12:31:00 EST From: "Andrew Church" <95ACHURCH@vax.mbhs.edu> Subject: Re: Flicker/stuttering To: "amos-list" Status: RO >One other type of flickering I have noticed occured in the earlier >versions of my current project. When the screen was scrolled I noticed >the darker colours left a bright "After image". I have since managed to >fix this but I do wonder why this occurs. If you're copying a large section of the screen, it can take a while. If the monitor beam traces over the section of the screen you're copying to, and the copy isn't finished yet, you'll get part of the new image and part of the old image combined in a strange way: for example, two bitplanes of the old image and two bitplanes of the new image. The color is then determined by the image mix, which is usually visible as a flash. To see exactly what I'm talking about, try the following: Screen Open 0,704,440,16,Hires+Laced : Colour 0,0 : Colour 15,0 Cls 0 : Cls 15 : Cls 0 Unless you're working on a very fast Amiga, you'll see the screen flash twice, as it switches the screen from colour 0 to colour 15 and back. --Andy Church From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Sep 3 12:58:37 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA13044 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 3 Sep 1993 12:58:34 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA10967; Fri, 3 Sep 93 12:57:45 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA01236 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Fri, 3 Sep 1993 12:42:29 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA01232 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 3 Sep 1993 12:42:27 -0400 Received: from vax.mbhs.edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA11402 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 3 Sep 1993 12:42:24 -0400 Message-Id: <199309031642.AA11402@access.digex.net> Date: 3 Sep 93 12:41:00 EST From: "Andrew Church" <95ACHURCH@vax.mbhs.edu> Subject: Re: Compiler & Disc problems To: "amos-list" Status: RO >Hey, I've got about 30k of variable buffer. ;) > >When you're writing a Big Complex game ya need it. ;) Don't I know it! My program has a variable buffer of about 100k (if I remember correctly). BUT -- I don't need to save it all! Just 122 bytes works fine. --Andy Chucrh From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Sep 3 18:02:15 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA26508 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 3 Sep 1993 18:02:13 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA28351; Fri, 3 Sep 93 18:00:45 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA02838 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Fri, 3 Sep 1993 17:42:58 -0400 Received: from mach1.wlu.ca by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA02834 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 3 Sep 1993 17:42:55 -0400 Received: by mach1.wlu.ca (5.65/1.35) id AA04185; Fri, 3 Sep 93 17:42:06 -0400 From: mart4678@mach1.wlu.ca (Phil Martin u) Message-Id: <9309032142.AA04185@mach1.wlu.ca> Subject: re: compiler and disk problems To: amos-list@svcs1.digex.net Date: Fri, 3 Sep 93 17:42:06 EDT In-Reply-To: <199309031359.AA19099@access.digex.net>; from "Branko Collin" at Sep 03, 93 3:56 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL13] Status: RO > > Problem no 2: > > As the game may take several hours to finish, I've included a save > >feature. It writes a sequential file to disc of the important > >variables, which amounts to about 11 Kb. The trouble is that writing > >and reading those files is VERY SLOW going. Where am I going wrong? > > What do you need 11k for? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Is that supposed to help him? Why would you want to say something like that? > > ....................................................................... > . Branko Collin . 'Nonsense is the opposite . > . u249026@hnykun11.urc.kun.nl . of sense and should . > . // u249026@hnykun11.bitnet . therefor be taken serious- . > . \X/ bcollin@mpi.kun.nl (work) . ly.' - I . > ....................................................................... > Phil Martin "Rudeness is the opposite of kindness and should therefore sucks!" From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Sep 3 18:31:28 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA29281 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 3 Sep 1993 18:31:27 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA02022; Fri, 3 Sep 93 18:29:58 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA03067 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Fri, 3 Sep 1993 18:15:46 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA03063 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 3 Sep 1993 18:15:44 -0400 Received: from vax.mbhs.edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA28081 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 3 Sep 1993 18:15:41 -0400 Message-Id: <199309032215.AA28081@access.digex.net> Date: 3 Sep 93 18:15:00 EST From: "Andrew Church" <95ACHURCH@vax.mbhs.edu> Subject: Re: compiler and disk problems To: "amos-list" Status: RO >> What do you need 11k for? > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >Is that supposed to help him? Why would you want to say something like that? Indeed it is! If he only saves the variables he absolutely needs to, the save time would be cut down by a lot. Even if he hasn't optimized his variables (bit-packing and such), he shouldn't need more than 1k or so. --Andy Church From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Sep 3 18:53:05 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA01142 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 3 Sep 1993 18:53:04 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA03934; Fri, 3 Sep 93 18:51:02 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA03155 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Fri, 3 Sep 1993 18:38:13 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA03151 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 3 Sep 1993 18:38:11 -0400 Received: from vax.mbhs.edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA29804 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 3 Sep 1993 18:38:09 -0400 Message-Id: <199309032238.AA29804@access.digex.net> Date: 3 Sep 93 18:22:00 EST From: "Andrew Church" <95ACHURCH@vax.mbhs.edu> Subject: Re: Look at this 24 lines of code To: "amos-list" Status: RO [code deleted] >load "infest:infestbobs.abk",1 >screen 1 >load "infest:samples.abk",1 >sam bank 1 Umm... why are you loading your samples over your bobs? --Andy Church From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Sep 3 21:10:09 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA14150 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 3 Sep 1993 21:10:08 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA14871; Fri, 3 Sep 93 21:08:35 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA03505 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Fri, 3 Sep 1993 20:53:15 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA03500 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 3 Sep 1993 20:53:10 -0400 Received: from wraith.cs.uow.edu.au by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA11571 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 3 Sep 1993 20:52:31 -0400 Received: by wraith.cs.uow.edu.au (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); id AA10275; Sat, 4 Sep 1993 10:51:51 +1000 (from u9147063@cs.uow.edu.au for amos-list@access.digex.net) From: Richard Barry Ling Message-Id: <199309040051.AA10275@wraith.cs.uow.edu.au> Subject: Re: Look at this 24 lines of code To: amos-list@access.digex.net (AMOS User group) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1993 10:51:50 +1000 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 3464 Status: RO > HI everyone!!! > I recently posted some help on a flickering bob routine > and got about 5 different answers, three of them worked, > but two of them were FAST, and so I decided to use the > shortest one of the two. > > Now my problem is, when I tried the piece of code > in a small individual program, everything worked fine, > BUT when I tried it in my real-life 24k program, for > some reason I get NOTHING on the screen!!! > > So here's the 24k code reduced to about 24 lines, > I'll just show you the commands that have anything > to do whith handling graphics, ok? here it is: > > > screen open 1,352,240,32,lowres > load iff "infest:gameboard",1 > screen display 1,,20,, > screen to front 1 > load iff "infest:players",2 > screen to back 2 > change mouse 2 > double buffer > autoback 0 > update off > . > . > . > load "infest:infestbobs.abk",1 > screen 1 > load "infest:samples.abk",1 > sam bank 1 > . > . > . > Piece-Anim : rem calls the procedure you guys helped me with > . > . > . > procedure Piece-Anim > for range=rangeL to rangeR > bob clear > bob 1,xblit,yblit,range > bob draw > screen swap > wait 2 > next range > end proc > > rem this is it!, so what am I doing wrong here????????????? Well, as Andy pointed out, you can't load two data files into bank 1, since the previous bank gets forgotten. The other thing is that you're opening screen 2, which selects screen 2 as the current screen; then you call double buffer, which double buffers screen 2 (always double buffers the current screen!) and then you're selecting screen 1 again and doing the animation, and screen 1 isn't double buffered! So even if you could display the animation, it would still flicker. For the above program, I suggest calling Double Buffer right after opening the screen 1. A couple of other pointers: * opening a screen brings it to the front, so no need for screen to front 1. It also "selects" that screen. * using Load Iff with a screen number automagically opens a screen appropriate for the picture, closing any screen with the same screen number. which means that your example opens screen 1, then, when you call Load Iff, closes it and opens it again. * Are you still using screen 0 (the default screen)? Otherwise it stays open, wasting memory. Substitute screens 0 and 1 for 1 and 2 and you'll save quite a bit of chip RAM. I'd use this: load iff "infest:players",0 replace default screen with your "players" picture load iff "infest:gameboard",1 this puts screen 1 in front screen display 1,,20,, double buffer double buffer screen 1 autoback 0 update off change mouse 2 then go on with your animation etc. using screen 1.. > p.s.: Are there any books that actually EXPLAIN what each > command REALLY does and how it AFFECTS other commads > later on in your code??? This is something that annoyed me a bit about AMOS at first, too. There are so many commands which affect each other, but no real indication of how they interact. I just used trial and error.... lots of trial, and lots of errors! > sincerely, > hacker@acs.bu.edu > > p.s.: THANKS in advance everyone!!! > Hey, no problem!! :-) RL. This has been a dinosaur-free announcement. ========================== Generating: .signature Richard Ling - colour analysis... complete u9147063@cs.uow.edu.au - clipping... complete ========================== - rendering... 37.6% From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Sep 4 02:10:40 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA10134 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 4 Sep 1993 02:10:39 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA01953; Sat, 4 Sep 93 02:09:09 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA04455 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Sat, 4 Sep 1993 01:48:54 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA04451 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 4 Sep 1993 01:48:50 -0400 Received: from peladon.rmit.OZ.AU by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA08034 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 4 Sep 1993 01:48:47 -0400 Received: from minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU by peladon.rmit.OZ.AU with SMTP id AA20311 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 4 Sep 1993 15:48:45 +1000 Received: by minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU From: s921878@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (Daniel John Lee Parnell) Message-Id: <9309040548.27815@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU> Subject: SIRD image creator written in Amos To: amos-list@access.digex.net (amos Amos Mailing List) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1993 15:48:35 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 4284 Status: RO G'day all! I wrote the following program last night. Basically what it does is produce images that if looked at in the right way seem to be three dimensional. SIRDS stands for Single Image Random Dot Stereogram, but for a more detailed description take a look at the alt.3d newsgroup. Anyway here is the program. Daniel Daniel Parnell - Email to s921878@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au - AMIGA 500 1 MEG Second Year Applied Physics student at R.M.I.T. Melbourne Australia. *:|() People who drink petrol shouldn't smoke. AMOS 1.34 with Compiler and 3D Squaxx Dek Thargo since prog 579 - C64 Oric Amiga Mac CCPM - Forth ----------------------------------CUT HERE----------------------------------- ' SIRDS Generator by Daniel Parnell 4 September 1993 ' Based on a program from the alt.3d FAQ file written in C ' ' SIRDS stands for Single Image Random Dot Stereogram by the way, and ' they can be quite difficuilt to view. Basically what you do is look ' at two of the white squares at the top of the screen, go crosseyed which ' will turn the two squares into 4 squares and then bring the middle two ' squares togeter to form one square. This should make the image visable ' for most people. I know I had lots of trouble viewing them at first but ' once you get the hang of it it becomes less difficuilt :-) ' Basically the hard bit is keeping your eyes focused on the screen but ' tricking your brain into thinking it is focused behind it by changing the ' way your eyes are pointing. ' I got the idea for the colour cycling from a program I saw yesturday ' called SHIMMER on the PC. I found it quite easy to view SIRDS with this ' program. ' ' OK, when the program has finished generating the SIRD it makes a beep ' pressing the space bar toggles colour cycling on an off, while pressing ' escape ends the program. Pressing S saves the screen in an IFF file. ' Oh yeah, + and - control the cycle speed. ' Randomize Timer ' Screen Open 1,320,200,32,Lowres ' Randomize the colors For I=1 To 30 C=Rnd(10) If C>5 Colour I,$FFF Else Colour I,0 End If Next I Colour 31,$FFF Flash Off Curs Off Cls 0 ' Screen Open 0,320,200,16,Lowres ' Flash Off Curs Off Cls 0 ' ****** Load an IFF picture for processing ****** ' N$=Fsel$("","","Load an IFF file") ' If N$="" ' End ' End If ' Load Iff N$ ' ****** Produces an image of randomly placed floating rectangles ******* ' For I=1 To 10 ' Ink I ' X=Rnd(200) ' Y=Rnd(100) ' W=Rnd(100) ' L=Rnd(90) ' Bar X,Y To X+W,Y+L ' Next I ' ' ****** Produces an image of a four level pyramid of rectangles ****** For I=1 To 4 Ink I X=I*25 Y=I*10 Bar X+40,Y+35 To 280-X,155-Y Next I ' ' ****** Produces an image of a stack of circles ******* ' For I=1 To 10 ' Ink I ' Circle 160,100,80-(I*7) ' Paint 160,100,1 ' Next I ' Hide Screen Copy 0 To 1 Screen To Front 1 ' DEPTH0=16 _COLS=319 ' _COL=0 X=0 Screen 1 ' *** Display the fusion squares *** While(_COLS-_COL>=DEPTH0) _COL=_COL+DEPTH0 X=X+DEPTH0-1 Ink 31 Bar X-2,0 To X+2,2 Wend ' *** Process input image *** For Y=3 To 199 E=0 Screen 1 Plot _COLS,Y,0 I=0 While(I<_COLS) E=0 Screen 0 C=Point(I-DEPTH0,Y) While(I>=DEPTH0) and(I<_COLS) and(C>0) and(C<16) Screen 0 C=Point(I-DEPTH0,Y) E=1 Screen 1 Plot I,Y,Point(I-DEPTH0+C,Y) Inc I Wend Screen 1 If(E or I)10 SP=10 End If SH=True Shift Up SP,1,30,1 End If If I$="+" SP=SP-1 If SP<1 SP=1 End If SH=True Shift Up SP,1,30,1 End If If(I$="s") or(I$="S") N$=Fsel$("","","Save SIRD as IFF file") If N$<>"" Save Iff N$ End If End If Exit If I$=Chr$(27) Loop ' Screen Close 1 Screen Close 0 From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Sep 4 07:02:20 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA29044 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 4 Sep 1993 07:02:18 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA11976; Sat, 4 Sep 93 07:00:52 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA05153 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Sat, 4 Sep 1993 06:38:51 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA05149 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 4 Sep 1993 06:38:49 -0400 Received: from bos2a.delphi.com (delphi.com) by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA27242 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 4 Sep 1993 06:38:48 -0400 Received: from bix.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.2-11 #4520) id <01H2JHM2177K90O1E7@delphi.com>; Sat, 4 Sep 1993 06:38:18 EDT Received: by bix.com (CoSy3.31.1.29) id <9309040635.memo.80231@BIX.com>; Sat, 4 Sep 1993 06:35:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1993 06:35:34 -0400 (EDT) From: sfmcnally@BIX.com Subject: Re: Global Strings In-Reply-To: <9309030650.AA20086@faw.uni-ulm.de> To: amthauer@faw.uni-ulm.de Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: <9309040635.memo.80231@BIX.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Cosy-To: amthauer@faw.uni-ulm.de (Heiner Amthauer) X-Cosy-Cc: amos-list@access.digex.com Status: RO No, I havent run out of variable names. ;) And not many of them are local to one sub or another, if I did it in procs I WOULD have about 20+ lines of "Globals" just to be able to access all the arrays Etc. for enemy/goodguy/bullet/explosion controll. Don't get me wrong, I *do* use procs now and then, mostly for small things that don't pass any/many variables and don't need any/many global variables. Seumas From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Sep 4 07:01:51 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA29008 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 4 Sep 1993 07:01:50 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA11952; Sat, 4 Sep 93 07:00:23 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA05159 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Sat, 4 Sep 1993 06:42:19 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AB05155 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 4 Sep 1993 06:42:17 -0400 Received: from bos2a.delphi.com (delphi.com) by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA27273 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 4 Sep 1993 06:42:16 -0400 Received: from bix.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.2-11 #4520) id <01H2JHQIXZC090O1E7@delphi.com>; Sat, 4 Sep 1993 06:41:53 EDT Received: by bix.com (CoSy3.31.1.29) id <9309040639.memo.80236@BIX.com>; Sat, 4 Sep 1993 06:39:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1993 06:38:59 -0400 (EDT) From: sfmcnally@BIX.com Subject: Re: Global Strings (fwd) In-Reply-To: <199309030809.AA18955@cc.lut.fi> To: Kimmo Veijalainen Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: <9309040639.memo.80236@BIX.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Cosy-To: Kimmo Veijalainen X-Cosy-Cc: amos-list@access.digex.com Status: RO Geeze! Why are Gosubs and Gotos so disgusting to everyone but me?!? [O,o] Seumas From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Sep 4 07:11:29 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA29488 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 4 Sep 1993 07:11:28 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA12144; Sat, 4 Sep 93 07:10:01 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA05179 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Sat, 4 Sep 1993 06:58:09 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA05175 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 4 Sep 1993 06:58:07 -0400 Received: from bos2a.delphi.com (delphi.com) by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA27727 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 4 Sep 1993 06:58:06 -0400 Received: from bix.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.2-11 #4520) id <01H2JIB7JETC90O1E7@delphi.com>; Sat, 4 Sep 1993 06:57:47 EDT Received: by bix.com (CoSy3.31.1.29) id <9309040657.memo.80242@BIX.com>; Sat, 4 Sep 1993 06:57:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1993 06:57:14 -0400 (EDT) From: sfmcnally@BIX.com Subject: RE: Look at this 24 lines of code In-Reply-To: <9309031626.AA83216@acs2.bu.edu> To: hacker@acs.bu.edu Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: <9309040657.memo.80242@BIX.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Cosy-To: hacker@acs.bu.edu (Jose Elias) X-Cosy-Cc: amos-list@access.digex.com Status: RO Ok, it looks like your problem is probly that you do your Double Buffer Etc. right after load iff ...,2 , now, if I'm right, that will screen open 2 to the size colors Etc. of the picture, and ALLSO make screen 2 the current screen, so that Double Buffer Etc. are wasted on that back screen. Try doing a screen 1 just before Doub Buf Etc.. Seumas From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Sep 4 19:07:28 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA08713 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 4 Sep 1993 19:07:27 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA16687; Sat, 4 Sep 93 18:31:50 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net ) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA06959 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Sat, 4 Sep 1993 17:21:51 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA06955 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 4 Sep 1993 17:21:50 -0400 Received: from ACS.BU.EDU by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA01434 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 4 Sep 1993 17:21:49 -0400 Received: by acs.bu.edu (5.61+++/AIX-3.2) id AA23932; Sat, 4 Sep 93 17:21:07 -0400 Date: Sat, 4 Sep 93 17:21:07 -0400 From: hacker@acs.bu.edu (Jose Elias) Message-Id: <9309042121.AA23932@acs.bu.edu> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Geesh! 15-lines of code, no mouse!!! Status: RO Guys, thanks for the help, but I ALMOST have everything working, my problem is that when I run this program, I cannot see the mouse cursor OR any Screen Copy updates on my monitor, so I have to make mouse movements "blindly", and although I see my bob animation, I cannot see neither the mouse OR the effect of any of my screen copy commands! This is the short code, I left stuff out that's unnessesary: flash off : hide load iff"df0:players",0 load iff"df0:gameboard",1 screen display 1,,20,, double buffer : autoback 0 : update off ... I TRY to do screen copy commans here, but don't see their effect ... for range=ll to rr bob clear bob 1,xx,yy,range screen swap wait 2 next range that's it!!! By the way, my screen copy commands look like this: screen copy 0,228,0,257,25 to 1,xa,ya (I tried leaving out the 1 next to xa but that didn't work, I also tried using "screen 1" and/or "screen to front 1" in various places but that didn't work either) So, what's wrong this time? It seems as if my bob commands are going to the screen you can actually see, but my blits (and even my mouse cursor!) go to some screen in the back (the double buffer one, or what?). I'm sorry if this is the third time I ask for help (you guys DID help me, thanks) but I'm new to amos graphics programming, and the manual just plain sucks (sorry for that, but it's true!). Sincerely, hacker@acs.bu.edu p.s.: Thanks in advance!!! :) From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Sep 4 21:39:23 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA18130 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 4 Sep 1993 21:39:19 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA24966; Sat, 4 Sep 93 20:33:21 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA07363 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Sat, 4 Sep 1993 20:06:45 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA07359 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 4 Sep 1993 20:06:43 -0400 Received: from cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA12370 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 4 Sep 1993 20:06:21 -0400 Received: from sun.cuug.ab.ca by cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.05) id AA16016; Sat, 4 Sep 1993 18:05:31 -0600 From: cokars@cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca (Sami Cokar) Received: by sun (4.1//ident-1.0) id AA24314; Sat, 4 Sep 93 18:07:44 MDT Date: Sat, 4 Sep 93 18:07:44 MDT Message-Id: <9309050007.AA24314@sun> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: MatrixBlaster Status: RO Hi, Ok, I will be uploading our game MatrixBlaster to aminet soon. In a few days the source code will follow (I have to finish the rudimentary documenation). This is our first AMOS effort and we would greatly appreciate people tearing apart our code & telling us where we can improve. I look forward to your responses. The archive will be called: MatrixBlaster.lha Sami -- Cybris Design cokars@cuug.ab.ca From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Sep 4 22:58:45 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA23658 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 4 Sep 1993 22:58:42 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA29116; Sat, 4 Sep 93 21:38:37 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA07665 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Sat, 4 Sep 1993 21:18:09 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA07661 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 4 Sep 1993 21:18:08 -0400 Received: from vax.mbhs.edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA16885 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 4 Sep 1993 21:18:04 -0400 Message-Id: <199309050118.AA16885@access.digex.net> Date: 4 Sep 93 21:09:00 EST From: "Andrew Church" <95ACHURCH@vax.mbhs.edu> Subject: Re: Geesh! 15-lines of code, no mouse!!! To: "amos-list" Status: RO >flash off : hide If you want to see the mouse cursor, don't hide it. :-) >load iff"df0:players",0 >load iff"df0:gameboard",1 >screen display 1,,20,, >double buffer : autoback 0 : update off > >... > >I TRY to do screen copy commans here, but don't >see their effect Probably because you're copying to the hidden (logical) screen. Double each Screen Copy, so it goes to Physic(1) AND Logic(1). And no, Autoback 2 wouldn't work - the manual specifically states that Autoback doesn't affect Screen Copy and Scroll. --Andy Church From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Sep 5 03:05:22 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA13445 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 5 Sep 1993 03:05:19 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA09443; Sun, 5 Sep 93 01:12:01 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA08095 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Sun, 5 Sep 1993 01:32:53 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA08091 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 5 Sep 1993 01:32:51 -0400 Received: from sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA07910 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 5 Sep 1993 01:32:48 -0400 Received: from mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au by sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au with SMTP id AA25574 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 5 Sep 1993 15:32:32 +1000 Received: by mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au (4.1/client-1.3) id AA10355; Sun, 5 Sep 93 15:32:30 EST Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1993 15:31:57 +1000 (EST) From: Scott Southurst Subject: Re: Flicker/stuttering (fwd) To: LIST AMOS Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 3 Sep 93 15:27:26 EST From: Tom Plackowski To: maverick@deakin.edu.au Subject: Re: Flicker/stuttering >One other type of flickering I have noticed occured in the earlier >versions of my current project. When the screen was scrolled I noticed >the darker colours left a bright "After image". I have since managed to >fix this but I do wonder why this occurs. Hmmm. I saw mention in a FAQ file that this could come from blitter operations taking a bit to long (more than one frame). Bit planes are apparently copied one at a time, and the resulting combinations can look funny. Did you have a lots of colours (and, therefore, bitplanes)? 8-) This is sort of the blind leading the blind. Hopefully someone will see our confusion and sort us out! // Tom 8<------------------------------cut here--------------------------------- And done... 8) From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Sep 5 03:55:00 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA27248 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 5 Sep 1993 03:54:59 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA10360; Sun, 5 Sep 93 02:01:42 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA08179 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Sun, 5 Sep 1993 02:00:57 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA08175 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 5 Sep 1993 02:00:55 -0400 Received: from sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA09669 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 5 Sep 1993 02:00:53 -0400 Received: from mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au by sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au with SMTP id AA27221 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 5 Sep 1993 16:00:33 +1000 Received: by mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au (4.1/client-1.3) id AA11914; Sun, 5 Sep 93 16:00:32 EST Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1993 15:58:58 +1000 (EST) From: Scott Southurst Subject: Extension Stuff. To: LIST AMOS Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Does anyone know if it is possible to get the extension sources to compile with ASSEMPRO??? When I try I find that LABEL set 1 ^^^ is an error and that ENDC is also an undefined command etc. What can I replace these with?? ||\ *********************************************** ./~ \ * Scott Southurst (maverick@deakin.edu.au) * ~~\ \ * Deakin University, Warrnambool, Australia * // \ * Aquatic Biology/Computer Programming * | \___/| * A500 - 1084s - 1meg - AMOS 1.34 - AMOS 3d * /~/~~ ___/ * Compiler - AND LOVING IT!! (Soon A1200??) * ~~~~~~~~ *********************************************** From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Sep 5 04:51:32 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA18829 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 5 Sep 1993 04:51:31 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA11671; Sun, 5 Sep 93 02:58:14 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA08191 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Sun, 5 Sep 1993 02:02:56 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA08187 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 5 Sep 1993 02:02:55 -0400 Received: from sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA10433 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 5 Sep 1993 02:02:51 -0400 Received: from mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au by sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au with SMTP id AA27281 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 5 Sep 1993 16:02:49 +1000 Received: by mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au (4.1/client-1.3) id AA12022; Sun, 5 Sep 93 16:02:48 EST Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1993 16:00:51 +1000 (EST) From: Scott Southurst Subject: My compliments. To: LIST AMOS Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Just when people were thinking that AMOS and the AMIGA and this news group were dead (DUE TO NO SUBMISSIONS ETC.) it seems to have jumped back to big than ever. Keep up the good work everyone. We even have submissions available from some people which should keep some OTHERS happy. 8) All this and they're under 400k 8) ||\ *********************************************** ./~ \ * Scott Southurst (maverick@deakin.edu.au) * ~~\ \ * Deakin University, Warrnambool, Australia * // \ * Aquatic Biology/Computer Programming * | \___/| * A500 - 1084s - 1meg - AMOS 1.34 - AMOS 3d * /~/~~ ___/ * Compiler - AND LOVING IT!! (Soon A1200??) * ~~~~~~~~ *********************************************** From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Sep 5 06:28:20 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA22268 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 5 Sep 1993 06:28:19 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA13942; Sun, 5 Sep 93 04:35:02 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA08470 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Sun, 5 Sep 1993 05:01:34 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA08466 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 5 Sep 1993 05:01:32 -0400 Received: from bos1a.delphi.com (delphi.com) by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA20136 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 5 Sep 1993 05:01:31 -0400 Received: from bix.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.2-11 #4520) id <01H2KSJ9D0V490P8V2@delphi.com>; Sun, 5 Sep 1993 05:01:24 EDT Received: by bix.com (CoSy3.31.1.29) id <9309050453.memo.80991@BIX.com>; Sun, 5 Sep 1993 04:53:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1993 04:53:32 -0400 (EDT) From: sfmcnally@BIX.com Subject: RE: Geesh! 15-lines of code, no mouse!!! In-Reply-To: <9309042121.AA23932@acs.bu.edu> To: hacker@acs.bu.edu Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: <9309050453.memo.80991@BIX.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Cosy-To: hacker@acs.bu.edu (Jose Elias) X-Cosy-Cc: amos-list@access.digex.com Status: RO The "Hide" command hides the mouse pointer. ;) Do a "Show" before the main loop, or just don't use hide. I don't know what would make the screen copy not work, but you might try "Print XA,YA" just after it to make sure your variables are correct. Seumas From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Sep 5 11:41:07 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA09239 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 5 Sep 1993 11:41:06 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA22670; Sun, 5 Sep 93 09:47:50 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA08832 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Sun, 5 Sep 1993 09:23:18 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA08828 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 5 Sep 1993 09:23:16 -0400 Received: by access.digex.net id AA29524 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list@access.digex.com); Sun, 5 Sep 1993 09:23:15 -0400 From: Michael 'AMOS' Cox Message-Id: <199309051323.AA29524@access.digex.net> Subject: Re: Geesh! 15-lines of code, no mouse!!! To: amos-list@access.digex.net (AMOS Mailing List) Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1993 09:23:15 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <199309050118.AA16885@access.digex.net> from "Andrew Church" at Sep 4, 93 09:09:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 444 Status: RO > And no, Autoback 2 wouldn't work - the manual specifically states that >Autoback doesn't affect Screen Copy and Scroll. Like the manual is always right. ;) Mike -- Michael Cox Work: mcox@access.digex.com Amiga Conquers, AMOS Rules! Play: aj639@cleveland.freenet.edu This space intentionally left blank Fido: 1:109/456.0 The text above is my own and all that other disclaimer junk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Sep 5 19:58:13 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA15018 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 5 Sep 1993 19:58:12 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA13696; Sun, 5 Sep 93 18:05:01 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA11448 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Sun, 5 Sep 1993 16:54:21 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA11443 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 5 Sep 1993 16:54:19 -0400 Received: from vax.mbhs.edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA01356 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 5 Sep 1993 16:54:16 -0400 Message-Id: <199309052054.AA01356@access.digex.net> Date: 5 Sep 93 16:40:00 EST From: "Andrew Church" <95ACHURCH@vax.mbhs.edu> Subject: Re: Extension Stuff. To: "amos-list" Status: O >Does anyone know if it is possible to get the extension sources to compile >with ASSEMPRO??? When I try I find that LABEL set 1 > ^^^ is an error and that >ENDC is also an undefined command etc. What can I replace these with?? I've also got ASSEMPRO and seen that problem with just about every assembler source ever distributed -- ASSEMPRO uses non-standard directives. Instead of: ifne CONSTANT LABEL set 1 endc use: ifne CONSTANT LABEL@ = 1 endif and make sure every other reference to LABEL becomes LABEL@. Alternatively, get a better assembler. (I should do this too, but I'm too lazy :-) ) --Andy Church From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Sep 5 18:28:27 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA08337 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 5 Sep 1993 18:28:26 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA10490; Sun, 5 Sep 93 16:35:16 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA11516 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Sun, 5 Sep 1993 16:55:07 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA11508 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 5 Sep 1993 16:55:05 -0400 Received: from vax.mbhs.edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA01403 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 5 Sep 1993 16:55:02 -0400 Message-Id: <199309052055.AA01403@access.digex.net> Date: 5 Sep 93 16:46:00 EST From: "Andrew Church" <95ACHURCH@vax.mbhs.edu> Subject: Re: Geesh! 15-lines of code, no mouse!!! To: "amos-list" Status: O >> And no, Autoback 2 wouldn't work - the manual specifically states that >>Autoback doesn't affect Screen Copy and Scroll. >Like the manual is always right. ;) Good point. After some experimentation, I have determined that the manual is half right in this case. Screen Copy is not AutoBacked, but Scroll is. --Andy Church From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Sep 5 20:00:43 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA15441 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 5 Sep 1993 20:00:41 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA13834; Sun, 5 Sep 93 18:07:31 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA11501 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Sun, 5 Sep 1993 16:54:59 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA11497 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 5 Sep 1993 16:54:57 -0400 Received: from vax.mbhs.edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA01392 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 5 Sep 1993 16:54:54 -0400 Message-Id: <199309052054.AA01392@access.digex.net> Date: 5 Sep 93 16:56:00 EST From: "Andrew Church" <95ACHURCH@vax.mbhs.edu> Subject: Re: Flicker/stuttering To: "amos-list" Status: O >>One other type of flickering I have noticed occured in the earlier >>versions of my current project. When the screen was scrolled I noticed >>the darker colours left a bright "After image". I have since managed to >>fix this but I do wonder why this occurs. > >Hmmm. I saw mention in a FAQ file that this could come from blitter operations >taking a bit to long (more than one frame). Bit planes are apparently copied >one at a time, and the resulting combinations can look funny. As I think I mentioned before (if it reached the list), this is what happens. You could wind up with 2 bitplanes from the old picture and 2 from the new one (for example). The following code demonstrates this more clearly: Screen Open 0,768,512,64,Laced Palette 0,$F,,$F0,,,,$F00,,,,,,,,$8F,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,$FFF Cls 63 : Cls 0 --Andy Church From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Sep 6 04:49:43 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA28315 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 6 Sep 1993 04:49:42 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA14444; Mon, 6 Sep 93 04:48:16 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA17895 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Mon, 6 Sep 1993 04:39:46 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA17891 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 6 Sep 1993 04:39:45 -0400 Received: from efd.lth.se (oddput.efd.lth.se) by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA28189 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 6 Sep 1993 04:39:43 -0400 Received: from saturnus-10.efd.lth.se by efd.lth.se with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0oZc6v-0002VKC; Mon, 6 Sep 93 10:39 MET DST Received: by saturnus-10.efd.lth.se (Smail3.1.28.1 #3) id m0oZc6s-0000RbC; Mon, 6 Sep 93 10:39 MET DST Message-Id: Date: Mon, 6 Sep 93 10:39 MET DST From: e91mom@efd.lth.se (Martin Omander) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.4 2/2/92) To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Compiler and disc problems Status: RO "Andrew Church" <95ACHURCH@vax.mbhs.edu> writes: > If he only saves the variables he absolutely needs to, the > save time would be cut down by a lot. Even if he hasn't optimized his > variables (bit-packing and such), he shouldn't need more than 1k or so. Optimizing variables, bit-packing? I haven't heard of these techniques, so could someone please tell me more? Also, thanks for all the replies to my previous message about compiler end disc problems. They helped a lot! Martin From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Sep 6 06:48:49 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA02935 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 6 Sep 1993 06:48:48 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA18450; Mon, 6 Sep 93 06:47:23 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA18104 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Mon, 6 Sep 1993 06:38:16 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA18100 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 6 Sep 1993 06:38:14 -0400 Received: from bos3a.delphi.com by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA02794 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 6 Sep 1993 06:38:13 -0400 Received: from bix.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.2-11 #4520) id <01H2MA7I4JRK90PVF3@delphi.com>; Mon, 6 Sep 1993 06:38:06 EDT Received: by bix.com (CoSy3.31.1.29) id <9309060636.memo.81970@BIX.com>; Mon, 6 Sep 1993 06:36:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1993 06:36:32 -0400 (EDT) From: sfmcnally@BIX.com Subject: Sterioscopic picture whjatever To: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: <9309060636.memo.81970@BIX.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Cosy-To: amos-list@access.digex.com Status: RO That uh, SIRDS was it? generator is neat. :) The picture is real cool, the problem is tricking your stupid brain into seeing it. ;) Seumas From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Sep 6 13:09:41 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA02959 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 6 Sep 1993 13:09:40 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA08762; Mon, 6 Sep 93 13:05:41 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA19073 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Mon, 6 Sep 1993 12:55:25 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA19069 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 6 Sep 1993 12:55:23 -0400 Received: from cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA00754 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 6 Sep 1993 12:55:11 -0400 Received: from sun.cuug.ab.ca by cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.05) id AA48481; Mon, 6 Sep 1993 10:54:42 -0600 From: cokars@cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca (Sami Cokar) Received: by sun (4.1//ident-1.0) id AA15095; Mon, 6 Sep 93 10:57:39 MDT Date: Mon, 6 Sep 93 10:57:39 MDT Message-Id: <9309061657.AA15095@sun> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: AMAL + plotting Status: O Hi, From my very limited immersion in AMAL, I get the impression its only for bobs & sprites. Can AMAL also do plot commands? Thanx. Sami p.s. - MatrixBlaster has a bug :-(. Its damn slow on 68000 machines. Once we figure this puppy out we'll upload it. cokars@cuug.ab.ca From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Sep 6 12:48:36 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA00159 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 6 Sep 1993 12:48:35 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA07292; Mon, 6 Sep 93 12:46:53 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA19056 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Mon, 6 Sep 1993 12:36:01 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA19052 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 6 Sep 1993 12:35:58 -0400 Received: from relay1.pipex.net (bath.pipex.net) by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA29064 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 6 Sep 1993 12:35:54 -0400 Received: from pipex.net by relay1.pipex.net with SMTP (PP) id <04699-1@relay1.pipex.net>; Mon, 6 Sep 1993 17:34:44 +0100 Received: from prlhp1.prl.philips.co.uk by relay2.pipex.net with SMTP (PP) id <14682-0@relay2.pipex.net>; Mon, 6 Sep 1993 17:34:27 +0100 Received: from prlvax6 by prlhp1.prl.philips.co.uk; Mon, 6 Sep 93 17:28:36 bst Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1993 17:39:16 GMT From: "PRL6A::UKRBAKE"@prl.philips.co.uk (ukrbake@prl.philips.co.uk) Message-Id: <930906173916.262010e6@prl.philips.co.uk> Subject: Greetings and some questions... To: amos-list@access.digex.net X-Vmsmail-To: prl6::SMTP%"amos-list@access.digex.com" Status: RO Hi, AMOS dudes... I've just subscribed to this list (so be gentle...) and I thought I'd introduce myself, then ask some questions, so: I use amos for 'recreational programming' in my spare time. I like it because it is VERY easy to use and program in, also its nice and extendable, I can compile my code to get it to run faster, and also it is an easy way to access the Amiga's superb custom chips. I normally write small games, demos, etc. But sometimes I use it to try out mathematical theories, such as fractals, chaos, bouncing balls.. I've just completed a double A-level in Mathematics, (AB grade gained), so I guess I could help people out if they're stuck witch some maths.. I also edit + title videos occaisionally, so I write titling programs in amos occaisionally. My main problem with this is that I only have Amso 1.36, so I can't play ANIMS, which I would find really useful (any ideas on this).. Anyway, as you can see I use AMOS for just about anything that takes my fancy, so I've used a lot of its features (jack of all trades, master of none..) but anyway, enough of this waffle, here are my questions.... 1. How can I pay ANIMS in amos 1.36? I don't mind having to upgrade to Pro, but I'm a bit tight on cash... 2. How do you get AMAL paths to loop... as I need to do this to control objects in the demo I am writing.. also, exactly how do you create paths, at the moment I have adapted the routines from the AMAL editor to use mathematical formulas to control the mouse, and then record it from there. 3. Can you use interrupt palette commands (such as FADE, SHIFT UP) at the same time as AMAL animates rainbows? I can't get it to work at all! 4. Can you record paths that change the A register in AMAL programs, as I have a nice utility that animates rainbows, but creates very large arrays to store the movement patterns, and so has to run from basic and not AMAL... 5. Finally, (I think) is there any way to save arrays (perhaps as banks) as this would cut down on array-generation time in my programs. I hope that someone has some answers or fixes.. If the solution to these problems is just "well, buy amos pro, it's fixed in that." then I probably will buy Pro.... That's all 4 now, thanks in advance and happy coding... Mark Baker..... ukrbake@prl.philips.co.uk Any opinions expressed are my own and not my employer's (suprise!) :-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-) From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Sep 6 18:57:09 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA01859 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 6 Sep 1993 18:57:08 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA03709; Mon, 6 Sep 93 18:55:43 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA19785 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Mon, 6 Sep 1993 18:23:07 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA19781 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 6 Sep 1993 18:23:05 -0400 Received: from vax.mbhs.edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA29357 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 6 Sep 1993 18:23:02 -0400 Message-Id: <199309062223.AA29357@access.digex.net> Date: 6 Sep 93 18:13:00 EST From: "Andrew Church" <95ACHURCH@vax.mbhs.edu> Subject: Re: Compiler and disc problems To: "amos-list" Status: RO >> If he only saves the variables he absolutely needs to, the >> save time would be cut down by a lot. Even if he hasn't optimized his >> variables (bit-packing and such), he shouldn't need more than 1k or so. > > Optimizing variables, bit-packing? I haven't heard of these >techniques, so could someone please tell me more? What I meant is, to take an example from my role-playing game: I have 128 boolean flags that indicate progress or the occurrence of certain events. Instead of creating an integer array of 128 values, one for each flag, I put them all into a 4-integer array, one bit per flag, thereby saving myself 496 bytes. Or, if you have a lot of variables that are all in the range 0 to 255, use a memory bank or a string to store them instead of a bunch of integer variables or an integer array. In other words, ARRAY(55)=120 becomes Poke ARRAYSTART+55,120 or Poke Varptr(ARRAY$)+55,120 where ARRAYSTART is the start of a bank that has one byte per variable, and ARRAY$ is initialized as "ARRAY$=Space$(NUM_VARS)". > Also, thanks for all the replies to my previous message about >compiler end disc problems. They helped a lot! You're quite welcome. --Andy Church From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Sep 6 20:11:16 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA09466 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 6 Sep 1993 20:11:15 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA09177; Mon, 6 Sep 93 20:09:50 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA19994 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Mon, 6 Sep 1993 19:34:05 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA19990 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 6 Sep 1993 19:34:03 -0400 Received: from vax.mbhs.edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA05324 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 6 Sep 1993 19:33:59 -0400 Message-Id: <199309062333.AA05324@access.digex.net> Date: 6 Sep 93 19:09:00 EST From: "Andrew Church" <95ACHURCH@vax.mbhs.edu> Subject: Re: Greetings and some questions... To: "amos-list" Status: RO >5. Finally, (I think) is there any way to save arrays (perhaps as banks) as >this would cut down on array-generation time in my programs. Use the Bsave command: Bsave 'filename',Varptr(ARRAY(0)) To Varptr(ARRAY(0))+ARRAY_SIZE*4 where ARRAY(0) is the first element of the array (or ARRAY(0,0), etc.), and ARRAY_SIZE is the total number of elements in the array. >I hope that someone has some answers or fixes.. If the solution to these >problems is just "well, buy amos pro, it's fixed in that." then I probably >will buy Pro.... Well, you should do that anyway! >Any opinions expressed are my own and not my employer's (suprise!) Any opinions expressed above or below do not exist. >:-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-) I agree completely. --Andy Church From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Sep 6 20:38:02 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA10583 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 6 Sep 1993 20:38:01 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA10718; Mon, 6 Sep 93 20:36:35 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA20037 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Mon, 6 Sep 1993 20:11:34 -0400 Received: from mach1.wlu.ca by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA20033 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 6 Sep 1993 20:11:32 -0400 Received: by mach1.wlu.ca (5.65/1.35) id AA11970; Mon, 6 Sep 93 20:10:49 -0400 From: mart4678@mach1.wlu.ca (Phil Martin u) Message-Id: <9309070010.AA11970@mach1.wlu.ca> Subject: SBB has been fixed... To: amos-list@svcs1.digex.net (AMOS Mail List) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 93 20:10:49 EDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL13] Status: RO Hello all you experts out there... I got a lot of responses from people offering to fix my bug, so I just thought I'd let you all know at once that the bug has been killed. Andy Church found the problem with the X Hard and Y Hard functions returning bad values. Other programmers should probably take note of this, try to avoid using these functions if you can... Well, a big thanks to all who helped out, and keep on AMOSin'. Phil Martin. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 7 04:40:53 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA15270 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 04:40:52 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA07803; Tue, 7 Sep 93 04:39:26 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA20861 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 04:28:47 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA20857 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 04:28:44 -0400 Received: from hearnvax.nic.surfnet.nl by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA10904 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 04:28:37 -0400 Received: from hsepm1.hse.nl by HEARNVAX.nic.SURFnet.nl (PMDF V4.2-12 #3330) id <01H2NWJEIT2800MWQ5@HEARNVAX.nic.SURFnet.nl>; Tue, 7 Sep 1993 10:28:27 MET Received: (from user S92406161) by hsepm1.hse.nl; 07 Sep 93 10:27:27 +0200 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1993 10:27:27 +0200 From: Dave 'DOPEX' Vissers To: AMOSlist Message-Id: <01H2NWJEO5YQ00MWQ5@HEARNVAX.nic.SURFnet.nl> X-Envelope-To: Amos-list@access.digex.com X-Mailer: Pr1me Mailer 2.10 (C) 1991, 1992 Michel Pollet & Jac Goudsmit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO ************************ LAST CHANCE !!!!! ************************** I can't believe that nobody has a couple of questions for Francois Lionet (For those who don't know, the creator of AMOS). If you have a question for F.L. ... Send to me as quick as possible... (S92406161@hsepm1.hse.nl) Coz. this weekend... 11 & 12 Sept.. I'm going to Belgium... to the OZ meeting.... Francois will be there !!! :::: Questions on list now are :::: 1. Will there be a AMOS with FULL AGA support... 2. Why isn't there a command to draw a line on just 1 of the 'many' planes of your screen... ? +------------------+ +-------------------------------------+ | Greetings from : |-----------------------+ My motto: +-- + + + + | +------------------+ Dave 'DOPEX' Vissers | +-- | | |\| | | S92406161@hsepm1.hse.nl | + +-+ + + | +------| Ask mailbox# for AMIGA-Stuff. |-----------------------------+ | +-------------------------------+ | If it hits you, hit it back ! | +-------------------------------+ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 7 07:03:04 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA22087 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 07:03:02 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA12072; Tue, 7 Sep 93 06:59:59 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA21099 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 06:37:47 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA21095 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 06:37:45 -0400 Received: from bos2a.delphi.com (delphi.com) by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA19455 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 06:37:44 -0400 Received: from bix.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.2-11 #4520) id <01H2NOFB2F5S90PVF3@delphi.com>; Tue, 7 Sep 1993 06:36:03 EDT Received: by bix.com (CoSy3.31.1.29) id <9309070632.memo.83185@BIX.com>; Tue, 7 Sep 1993 06:32:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1993 06:32:15 -0400 (EDT) From: sfmcnally@BIX.com Subject: RE: Greetings and some questions... In-Reply-To: <930906173916.262010e6@prl.philips.co.uk> To: "PRL6A::UKRBAKE"@prl.philips.co.uk Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: <9309070632.memo.83185@BIX.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Cosy-To: "PRL6A::UKRBAKE"@prl.philips.co.uk (ukrbake@prl.philips.co.uk) X-Cosy-Cc: amos-list@access.digex.com Status: RO You could save an array by "Loke"ing the values into a memory bank and then Bsave the bank. Then in your main prog, Bload the babk in and "Leek" out the values to your array. Seumas From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 7 06:51:06 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA19801 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 06:51:05 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA11723; Tue, 7 Sep 93 06:49:37 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA21093 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 06:36:34 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA21089 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 06:36:33 -0400 Received: from bos1b.delphi.com (delphi.com) by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA19426 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 06:36:31 -0400 Received: from bix.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.2-11 #4520) id <01H2NOFGGEC090PVF3@delphi.com>; Tue, 7 Sep 1993 06:36:11 EDT Received: by bix.com (CoSy3.31.1.29) id <9309070634.memo.83186@BIX.com>; Tue, 7 Sep 1993 06:34:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1993 06:34:17 -0400 (EDT) From: sfmcnally@BIX.com Subject: RE: AMAL + plotting In-Reply-To: <9309061657.AA15095@sun> To: cokars@cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: <9309070634.memo.83186@BIX.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Cosy-To: cokars@cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca (Sami Cokar) X-Cosy-Cc: amos-list@access.digex.com Status: RO No, I don't think AMAL can do Plots. And if you're going to compile your prog anyway, amal isn't any faster than Amos for Bobs and Sprites. Seumas From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 7 07:11:29 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA22741 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 07:11:27 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA12336; Tue, 7 Sep 93 07:09:59 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA21109 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 06:48:38 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA21105 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 06:48:37 -0400 Received: from bos1b.delphi.com (delphi.com) by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA19713 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 06:48:36 -0400 Received: from bix.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.2-11 #4520) id <01H2NOUHS3OG90PVF3@delphi.com>; Tue, 7 Sep 1993 06:48:18 EDT Received: by bix.com (CoSy3.31.1.29) id <9309070642.memo.83196@BIX.com>; Tue, 7 Sep 1993 06:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1993 06:42:25 -0400 (EDT) From: sfmcnally@BIX.com In-Reply-To: <01H2NWJEO5YQ00MWQ5@HEARNVAX.nic.SURFnet.nl> To: Dave 'DOPEX' Vissers Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: <9309070642.memo.83196@BIX.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Cosy-To: Dave 'DOPEX' Vissers X-Cosy-Cc: amos-list@access.digex.com Status: RO Sure, ask Francois if after PCOS is done will Amos support continue? (And if you see Aaron Fothergill there, bug him about getting a modem and joining this list. ;) Seumas From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 7 05:51:29 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA17434 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 05:51:28 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA10340; Tue, 7 Sep 93 05:50:02 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA20955 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 05:37:51 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA20951 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 05:37:49 -0400 Received: from DARWIN.NTU.EDU.AU by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA17246 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 05:37:47 -0400 Received: from dme.nt.gov.au ([155.205.2.1]) by DARWIN.NTU.EDU.AU with SMTP; Tue, 7 Sep 1993 19:07:54 GMT Received: from adit.dme by dme.nt.gov.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00557; Tue, 7 Sep 93 19:06:51 CST Received: by adit.dme (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19202; Tue, 7 Sep 93 19:09:07 CST From: pawacsb@adit.dme.nt.gov.au (PAWA CSB Adam Cinzio 827065 ) Message-Id: <9309070939.AA19202@adit.dme> Subject: Amos On Net To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Tue, 7 Sep 93 19:09:07 CST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: RO Is there any other Amos mailing lists or ftp sites on the net? tia Jeff Lloyd From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 7 08:19:33 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA01500 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 08:19:31 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA15658; Tue, 7 Sep 93 08:19:17 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA21182 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 07:55:30 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA21178 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 07:55:29 -0400 Received: from efd.lth.se (oddput.efd.lth.se) by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA28033 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 07:55:27 -0400 Received: from saturnus-3.efd.lth.se by efd.lth.se with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0oa1dt-0002WKC; Tue, 7 Sep 93 13:55 MET DST Received: by saturnus-3.efd.lth.se (Smail3.1.28.1 #3) id m0oa1dL-0000RgC; Tue, 7 Sep 93 13:54 MET DST Message-Id: Date: Tue, 7 Sep 93 13:54 MET DST From: e91mom@efd.lth.se (Martin Omander) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.4 2/2/92) To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Questions to FL Status: RO Dave 'DOPEX' Vissers Re: Questions to FL Ask him which AMOS has the fewest bugs (AMOS vX.X or AMOSPro or whatever) and if there is any book, file, or other material about what bugs there are and how to get around them. Also, how big varibale buffer can you have without AMOS going berserk? On second thought, maybe someone on the list can answer those questions? Martin From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 7 08:41:27 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA03443 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 08:41:21 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA17806; Tue, 7 Sep 93 08:39:54 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA21230 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 08:27:19 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA21226 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 08:27:17 -0400 Received: from ACS.BU.EDU by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA02210 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 08:27:16 -0400 Received: by acs.bu.edu (5.61+++/AIX-3.2) id AA66572; Tue, 7 Sep 93 08:26:34 -0400 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 93 08:26:34 -0400 From: hacker@acs.bu.edu (Jose Elias) Message-Id: <9309071226.AA66572@acs.bu.edu> To: Amos-list@access.digex.net, s92406161@hsepm1.hse.nl Subject: more questions for Lionet!!! Status: RO I have a few more questions!!!: - Will there ever be a "Case" statement in AMOS??? - When PC-AMOS is out, will it has more features than the Amiga-AMOS? If yes, what are they? Will they be implemented on the Amiga version as well? Will there be a conversion utility to "try its best" at converting PC-AMOS to Amiga-AMOS and/or Viceversa? - Will there be a REAL manual? If yes, will it explain the relationship that some commands have on other commands like "wait vbl" and "Double Buffer"? Will it have examples listed right there so that we don't have to look at the manual AND at the computer when reading the manual? - Will AMOS (for the Amiga) finally be supported in the U.S.??? I don't feel like subscribing to newsletters in other countries and going thru the hastle of getting the right currency, and making long-distance phone calls; it shouldn't be that way, we pay money here as ANYBODY else!!! - If PC-AMOS sales take off, will the Amiga be still supported? - Will you include (PLEEEEEEEASE!!!!) a "decent" game at least as a demo in the AMOS package. I'm sorry, but to call the whatever Forest game that came with it "STUNNING" and "EXELLENT" as it says in the AMOS manual is the worst statement I've ever heard from a software house about a piece of software, that game plain SUCKS!!! - I bought AMOS The Creator when it first came out here in the U.S., (I bugged the hell out of the guys in Amiga stores all over New York just to make sure they all got it, and I bought the VERY first copy in New York City, and I MADE my friends buy it too), SO is there any upgrade path for me to AMOS Pro??? I sent-in my registration card and got something shortly after, but NEVER again I heard of "Mandarin Software" again in my life!!! - Will you include Mouse support for BOTH mouse ports in AMOS??? - Will you include support for two-button joysticks??? - Will you include commands for making it easier to send and receive date out the Parallel and Serial ports??? There's only one tiny paragraph and about two commands to do I/O!!! Well, this is it, now you have some questions to ask!!! :) I hope we (amos-list) get some response from the actual "creator" to some of these questions, and thanks to you for getting them to Lionet!!! Sincerely, hacker@acs.bu.edu From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 7 09:02:02 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA05862 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 09:01:57 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA20520; Tue, 7 Sep 93 09:00:31 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA21336 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 08:45:38 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA21332 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 08:45:36 -0400 Received: from hearnvax.nic.surfnet.nl by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA03760 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 08:45:34 -0400 Received: from hsepm1.hse.nl by HEARNVAX.nic.SURFnet.nl (PMDF V4.2-12 #3330) id <01H2O5HZWNTC00ON4T@HEARNVAX.nic.SURFnet.nl>; Tue, 7 Sep 1993 14:45:24 MET Received: (from user S92406161) by hsepm1.hse.nl; 07 Sep 93 14:45:09 +0200 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1993 14:45:09 +0200 From: Dave 'DOPEX' Vissers To: AMOSlist Message-Id: <01H2O5I02ADE00ON4T@HEARNVAX.nic.SURFnet.nl> X-Envelope-To: Amos-list@access.digex.com X-Mailer: Pr1me Mailer 2.10 (C) 1991, 1992 Michel Pollet & Jac Goudsmit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO Got those one's ... Question can still be posted till. Thursday (I guess).. Friday could do aswell... but only if the mail is in Holland before 12:00... !!!!!! (Sorry guys...) +------------------+ +-------------------------------------+ | Greetings from : |-----------------------+ My motto: +-- + + + + | +------------------+ Dave 'DOPEX' Vissers | +-- | | |\| | | S92406161@hsepm1.hse.nl | + +-+ + + | +------| Ask mailbox# for AMIGA-Stuff. |-----------------------------+ | +-------------------------------+ | If it hits you, hit it back ! | +-------------------------------+ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 7 09:19:25 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA09347 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 09:19:23 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA23700; Tue, 7 Sep 93 09:19:10 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA21431 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 09:10:52 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA21427 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 09:10:51 -0400 Received: by access.digex.net id AA07662 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list@access.digex.com); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 09:10:50 -0400 From: Michael 'AMOS' Cox Message-Id: <199309071310.AA07662@access.digex.net> Subject: Re: more questions for Lionet!!! To: amos-list@access.digex.net (AMOS Mailing List) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1993 09:10:49 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <9309071226.AA66572@acs.bu.edu> from "Jose Elias" at Sep 7, 93 08:26:34 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1415 Status: RO >- Will there ever be a "Case" statement in AMOS??? THere is a CASE statement in the AMOS Club/Shuffle Extension. I do not know if it is a true/pure case statemen yet. >- Will there be a REAL manual? Lionet does not write the manual so he may not have much control over this. > I don't feel like subscribing to newsletters in other countries The AMOS Club UK newsletter really is wrorth subscribing to. You can get it from James Rhodes. > and going thru the hastle of getting the right currency, and James RHodes is in Canada so he takes US money. > in New York City, and I MADE my friends buy it too), SO is there > any upgrade path for me to AMOS Pro??? I sent-in my registration Yes, you can upgrade to AMOS Pro for $30 I think. The disk that James sent me with all his info on it was corrupted by the US Mail so I am not sure but I hope to get the disk again soon. >- Will you include Mouse support for BOTH mouse ports in AMOS??? >- Will you include support for two-button joysticks??? The Sticks extension does this. I am not sure if it is available to AMOS Club UK members or not, but I am finding out. Mike -- Michael Cox Work: mcox@access.digex.com Amiga Conquers, AMOS Rules! Play: aj639@cleveland.freenet.edu This space intentionally left blank Fido: 1:109/456.0 The text above is my own and all that other disclaimer junk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 7 09:41:41 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA12642 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 09:41:39 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA26946; Tue, 7 Sep 93 09:41:25 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA21513 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 09:27:39 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA21509 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 09:27:36 -0400 Received: from uni-paderborn.de by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA11024 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 09:27:33 -0400 Received: from wembley.uni-paderborn.de by uni-paderborn.de with SMTP id AA15160 (5.65c8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 15:27:25 +0200 Received: by wembley.uni-paderborn.de id AA05115 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for amos-list@access.digex.com); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 15:27:19 +0200 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1993 15:27:19 +0200 From: Tjark Kalow Message-Id: <199309071327.AA05115@wembley.uni-paderborn.de> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: RE: AMAL + plotting In-Reply-To: <9309070634.memo.83186@BIX.com> References: <9309061657.AA15095@sun> <9309070634.memo.83186@BIX.com> Status: RO Hello sfmcnally, On Tue, September 07, 1993 you wrote about the subject 'RE: AMAL + plotting': > And if you're going to compile your prog anyway, amal isn't any faster than > Amos for Bobs and Sprites. How did you get that idea? Just try to understand AMAL further and see what sheer power it offers! Sure, it hasn't many control structures but everything is interrupt driven and you can synchronize its actions with your main program by using AMAL channels! Greetings, Tjark -- This is a typical case, whom we shall refer to as Mr. A, although his real name is this: +----------------------------------------------------------------+ Name: Tjark Kalow E-Mail: tjark@uni-paderborn.de Address: Thorenknick 6 33100 Paderborn Country: Germany Tel.: 0 52 52 / 39 12 (phone answering system) Computer: AMIGA 500 KS1.2 1MB w. 2 drives Occupation: Student +----------------------------------------------------------------+ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 7 10:06:12 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA16951 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 10:06:10 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA01197; Tue, 7 Sep 93 10:04:45 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA21581 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 09:41:06 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA21577 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 09:41:05 -0400 Received: from uni-paderborn.de by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA12541 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 09:41:01 -0400 Received: from wembley.uni-paderborn.de by uni-paderborn.de with SMTP id AA15665 (5.65c8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 15:40:59 +0200 Received: by wembley.uni-paderborn.de id AA05630 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for amos-list@access.digex.com); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 15:40:57 +0200 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1993 15:40:57 +0200 From: Tjark Kalow Message-Id: <199309071340.AA05630@wembley.uni-paderborn.de> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Global Strings (fwd) In-Reply-To: <9309040639.memo.80236@BIX.com> References: <199309030809.AA18955@cc.lut.fi> <9309040639.memo.80236@BIX.com> Status: RO Hello sfmcnally, On Sat, September 04, 1993 you wrote about the subject 'Re: Global Strings (fwd)': > Geeze! Why are Gosubs and Gotos so disgusting to everyone but me?!? [O,o] Because they are a relict of those ancient days, when BASIC was a language designed for learning how to program. "Serious" languages have no GOSUBs and GOTOs (okay, Pascal has GOTO, but you're advised to use it only for error handling). Informatik (Computer Science) teaches not to use GOTOs and GOSUBs in any way, because they make debugging and understanding of long progs harder. As I mentioned before, this doesn't count for games! In fact, every BASIC dialect has GOTOs and GOSUBs, but they are only included to keep up compatibility. Modern languages based on original BASIC are highly developed. They took over elements of other high-level languages like PASCAL or FORTRAN, e.g. no line numbers, labels, procedures, functions (AMOS not really) and many more. If you don't want to keep an eye on readability (does this word exist?) of your progs, do so... but don't you wonder when other people who study Computer Science (like me) list up the disadvantages of such a 'programming style'. The whole bunch of computer scientists has another opinion, based on the constant development towards structured high-level languages. Greetings, Tjark -- This is a typical case, whom we shall refer to as Mr. A, although his real name is this: +----------------------------------------------------------------+ Name: Tjark Kalow E-Mail: tjark@uni-paderborn.de Address: Thorenknick 6 33100 Paderborn Country: Germany Tel.: 0 52 52 / 39 12 (phone answering system) Computer: AMIGA 500 KS1.2 1MB w. 2 drives Occupation: Student +----------------------------------------------------------------+ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 7 10:11:33 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA17651 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 10:11:28 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA02084; Tue, 7 Sep 93 10:11:11 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA21596 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 09:58:51 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA21592 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 09:58:47 -0400 Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA14942 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 09:58:43 -0400 Via: uk.ac.rutherford.informatics; Tue, 7 Sep 1993 14:57:00 +0100 Received: from pecan by inf.rl.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Sep 93 14:56:51 BST Date: Tue, 7 Sep 93 14:54:04 BST From: mas@inf.rl.ac.uk Message-Id: <9309071354.AA01132@pecan> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: more questions for Lionet!!! Status: RO > Will you include support for two-button joysticks??? I would have thought the 2nd button uses exactly the same line as the right mouse button, so why cant you use the existing function ? Granted this is no good for a 2 button joystick in the second port (although its real easy to PEEK the relevent bits in the CIA chip anyway...) > Will you include (PLEEEEEEEASE!!!!) a "decent" game at least I'm sure if you wrote one they'd be only too pleased to consider it ;-) I wasnt all that impressed myself by amosteroids (or whatever its called) I have to admit. Cant someone run up a game like that "Skidmarks" demo thats around aminet sites at the moment, thats sure to sell quite a few copies of Blitz basic > If PC-AMOS sales take off, will the Amiga be still supported? I cant help thinking that Europress shot themselves in the foot a bit when they allowed one of the UK mags to put both Amos and the old Compiler on cover disks. Surely they cant be selling many copies after that little trick can they ? Maybe thats why they want to move on the PC market. > Will there be a conversion utility to "try its best" at converting PC-AMOS to Amiga-AMOS and/or Viceversa ? Hmm...all I can say on that one is dont hold your breath waiting for it.. :-( Seriously, I cant see how its any easier for a PC to emulate a program running under AMOS than it is for a PC to directly emulate an Amiga. If that really was possible (or at least fast enough to be worthwhile) *someone* would have cracked it by now. However, I dont see any reason why stuff written on the PC-Amos shouldnt be easy (ish) to port back to the Amiga. Hey, it would probably run smoother too... (NO, I'M *ONLY* KIDDING, HONEST ! :-) Martin. +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Martin Strange. Email: mas@inf.rl.ac.uk | | Rutherford Labs, Oxfordshire Unix talk: mas@pecan.inf.rl.ac.uk | | England | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 7 10:21:06 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA18747 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 10:21:04 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA03408; Tue, 7 Sep 93 10:20:51 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA21630 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 10:02:42 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA21626 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 10:02:40 -0400 Received: from manta.nosc.mil by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA16176 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 10:02:38 -0400 Received: by manta.nosc.mil (5.65/1.34) id AA15504; Tue, 7 Sep 93 07:02:25 -0700 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 93 07:02:25 -0700 From: czar1@manta.nosc.mil (Scott C. Czarcinski) Message-Id: <9309071402.AA15504@manta.nosc.mil> To: s92406161@hsepm1.hse.nl Cc: Amos-list@access.digex.net In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue Sep 7 01:44:08 1993 Status: RO ------- Just a quickie, Also in a Pro update, when can we expect full intuition support? (For those of us using AMOS Pro for applications, this is a BIG plus - well almost necessary) The only other thing I can think of is what are the possibilities of making the MS-DOS version somewhat compatable with our Amy vers. (I know the hardware limitations and differences abound, and could probally not support it in an uncompilied run-time environment) but how about an upgrade to the compiler which allows you to select Amiga -or- MS-DOS; and would do any conversions necessary??? And last but not least, THANKS, for such a flexable, powerful and yet easy to understand coding environment!!! Scott Czarcinski czar1@manta.nosc.mil ------- From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 7 10:43:03 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA21008 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 10:43:01 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA06586; Tue, 7 Sep 93 10:41:31 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA21663 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 10:22:57 -0400 Received: from mach1.wlu.ca by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA21659 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 10:22:55 -0400 Received: by mach1.wlu.ca (5.65/1.35) id AA23817; Tue, 7 Sep 93 10:22:14 -0400 From: mart4678@mach1.wlu.ca (Phil Martin u) Message-Id: <9309071422.AA23817@mach1.wlu.ca> Subject: Sticks extension To: amos-list@svcs1.digex.net (AMOS Mail List) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 93 10:22:13 EDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL13] Status: RO What is this Sticks extension? It sounds like exactly what I need for my next game... Is it available for Pro? Where can I find it? Phil Martin. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 7 10:51:31 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA22183 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 10:51:28 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA08270; Tue, 7 Sep 93 10:49:47 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA21674 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 10:28:29 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA21670 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 10:28:27 -0400 Received: from ACS.BU.EDU by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA19404 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 10:28:24 -0400 Received: by acs.bu.edu (5.61+++/AIX-3.2) id AA125427; Tue, 7 Sep 93 10:27:42 -0400 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 93 10:27:42 -0400 From: hacker@acs.bu.edu (Jose Elias) Message-Id: <9309071427.AA125427@acs.bu.edu> To: amos-list@access.digex.net, mcox@access.digex.net Subject: Re: more questions for Lionet!!! Status: RO Thanks Michael for some answers!!! Right now I'm most interested in two-port mouse and two-button joystick code, as soon as you find out please post it to the AMOS list, as I'm sure other people will find this usefull too!!! Sincerely, hacker@acs.bu.edu p.s.: Thanks for your help! From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 7 11:02:13 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA24687 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 11:02:10 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA10873; Tue, 7 Sep 93 11:01:18 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA21688 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 10:38:42 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA21684 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 10:38:40 -0400 Received: from ACS.BU.EDU by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA20503 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 10:38:38 -0400 Received: by acs.bu.edu (5.61+++/AIX-3.2) id AA125261; Tue, 7 Sep 93 10:37:56 -0400 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 93 10:37:56 -0400 From: hacker@acs.bu.edu (Jose Elias) Message-Id: <9309071437.AA125261@acs.bu.edu> To: amos-list@access.digex.net, tjark@uni-paderborn.de Subject: Re: Global Strings (fwd) Status: RO I just want to add to the whole thing that IN THE CASE OF AMOS (i.e.: GAMES, AND GFX STUFF), GoTos and Gosubs seem ok to me, since all you wanna do is optimize your code, and this is one part where structured programming languages fall behind. Also, someone mentioned that *REAL* languages almost never use GOTOs, *BUT* what about Assembly Language? This is the most *REAL* of all languages in the sense that it gives you the most power over the computer, and as a matter of fact, there's more gotos in assembly than in basic (i.e.: JMP, Jump, ect...). Sincerely, hacker p.s.: I DO realize that structuralization helps in understanding, BUT it doesn't in functionality and the pure hacking spirit!!! From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 7 11:11:37 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA26734 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 11:11:35 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA12929; Tue, 7 Sep 93 11:11:02 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA21695 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 10:44:05 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA21691 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 10:44:03 -0400 Received: from ACS.BU.EDU by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA21108 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 10:44:01 -0400 Received: by acs.bu.edu (5.61+++/AIX-3.2) id AA125378; Tue, 7 Sep 93 10:43:19 -0400 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 93 10:43:19 -0400 From: hacker@acs.bu.edu (Jose Elias) Message-Id: <9309071443.AA125378@acs.bu.edu> To: amos-list@access.digex.net, mas@inf.rl.ac.uk Subject: Re: more questions for Lionet!!! Status: RO Can someone tell me what that SkidMarks game is? Was it done with Blitz Basic? How good is it? What does it look like? Shoot'em'up? platform? role-playing? strategy? mix? If possible, can you tell me where exactly is it on aminet? This is not too important since I can look it up myself, but I asked just in case you know where exactly is already off the top of your head. :) Sincerely, hacker@acs.bu.edu / From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 7 11:51:20 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA02031 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 11:51:18 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA20598; Tue, 7 Sep 93 11:50:17 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA21848 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 11:40:14 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA21844 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 11:40:12 -0400 Received: from ns-mx.uiowa.edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA00601 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 11:40:10 -0400 Received: from umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu by ns-mx.uiowa.edu (5.64.jnf/920408) on Tue, 7 Sep 93 10:40:06 -0500 id AA00907 with SMTP Received: by umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (5.61.jnf/930730) on Tue, 7 Sep 93 10:39:26 -0500 id AA12408 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1993 10:15:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Richards Subject: Listing which version what works with ... To: AMOS posting Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO There has been a lot of talk about some excellent-sounding extensions for AMOS, but I think a lot of folks (including me) are confused about what extensions work with what version of AMOS. If the People Who Know could include that information (maybe a P for Pro or a C for Classic) when they discuss the extensions, a lot of confusion could be cleared up. A few Q's: Does anyone have a comprehensive list of extensions? Are these things public domain or shareware? If so, could someone upload them to Aminet? If not, what steps need to be taken to gain access to them? On the ask Francois front: will bug fixes continue to be released for AMOS Pro while the PC version is being developed (especially the annoying way the sound banks are corrupted when using the SAMPLE EDITOR)? I would gladly pay any registration fee/club membership for access to commands which could use a CASE statement or read a second mouse. WHat other neat AMOS add ons (extensions or just programs to use in conjunctions with AMOS) exist out there? Any new word on when the TURBO Pro version will be out? What programs exist on Aminet or otherwise which have been written in AMOS? I'd be interested in getting a list together so that people who were interested in the language could be pointed to some of the final products. The two I've finished (plenty in development, etc etc), Wabes and Cow Wars, are both available on aminet/games/misc and /shoot respectively but there must be others. Particularly nice looking games that will make would be games programmers take notice of the language. Thanks again for any information. Chris R From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 7 11:42:38 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA01011 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 11:42:34 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA18381; Tue, 7 Sep 93 11:40:33 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA21811 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 11:27:19 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA21807 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 11:27:16 -0400 Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA28914 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 11:27:13 -0400 Via: uk.ac.rutherford.informatics; Tue, 7 Sep 1993 16:26:55 +0100 Received: from pecan by inf.rl.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Sep 93 16:26:45 BST Date: Tue, 7 Sep 93 16:23:56 BST From: mas@inf.rl.ac.uk Message-Id: <9309071523.AA01196@pecan> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: SkidMarks Game... Status: RO Not AMOS at all, but since someone asked... Its on aminet as game/demo/SkidMarksDemo.lha. Its a single/dual player top down scrolly car racing round a track effort, but it plays well cos its got nicely modelled inertia on the cars. Its apparently written in Blitz Basic 2, but is going to be released commercially anyway. I hear they putting Blitz Basic (1 or 2) on front of Amiga Format next month, which is probably why they also put this demo on their coverdisk this month. I'm hoping this puppy comes with AGA support, something I'm getting REAL tired of waiting for with AMOS. By the way, if anyone beats my lap record of 10.0 on the SkidMarks demo I'd be interested to know about it :-) Martin. PS - You know these piccies of the CD32 that seem to be in every mag nowadays, well have you noticed that the controller has at least 4 buttons on the thing. What I want to know is how the hell they are finding some many spare wires in the supposedly standard nine pin Joystick connector. Given that some of them are taken up by 5V power lines and ground and so on, how can there be enough left for the four joystick directions plus four buttons ?? PPS - While on the subject of joysticks, I'll find out the addresses of the bits to PEEK to get the status of the fire buttons in both ports. Off the top of my head I seem to remember that the right mouse button (and hence probably the second joystick buttons) are connected up to the paddle input lines in the joystick port. I'll probably post them tommorow if no-one cares to beat me to it... From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 7 10:31:02 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA19653 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 10:31:00 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA05156; Tue, 7 Sep 93 10:30:47 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA21642 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 10:14:26 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA21638 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 10:14:24 -0400 Received: from cc.lut.fi by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA17944 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 10:14:12 -0400 Received: by cc.lut.fi (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4/Kim-2.2) id AA13481; Tue, 7 Sep 1993 17:14:02 +0300 From: Kimmo Veijalainen Message-Id: <199309071414.AA13481@cc.lut.fi> Subject: Extension Hunt continues To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Tue, 7 Sep 93 17:14:02 EETDST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: RO > >- Will there ever be a "Case" statement in AMOS??? > THere is a CASE statement in the AMOS Club/Shuffle Extension. I do not know > if it is a true/pure case statemen yet. > > >- Will there be a REAL manual? > Lionet does not write the manual so he may not have much control over this. > >- Will you include Mouse support for BOTH mouse ports in AMOS??? > >- Will you include support for two-button joysticks??? > The Sticks extension does this. I am not sure if it is available to AMOS Club > UK members or not, but I am finding out. Is the sticks extension shareware or for club members only? And Shuffle? If they are PD/freely distributable, someone uuencode them and mail to this list, please... Why doesn't one of us or someone else that has lots of spare time :-) write an AmigaGuide document file containing tips, bug reports, etc? The AmosPro help system offers quick help for the built-in commands and the Compiler extension's new commands, but how about adding the commands from various extensions to the AmosPro help files (I haven't had time to find out how to actually do this). AND, last but not least, how about a simple asciifile containing ALL commands of Amos and various extensions with a reference code and page number, so that it would be really fast to find the correct syntax in the manuals??? Like this: Command Manual Page Short note Print Amos xxx - Print# Amos yyy - Then all we would have to do would be to write a short Amos program to find a command in the file or we could use Csh's "Search" (or similar) to find the page number. Just suggestions. I have a little asciilist for page numbers already, but it only contains the Amos 1.36 commands... another problem is, I don't know if different versions of the manual exist (some Amos 1.36 commands are not in my Amos 1.1 Manual...) From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 7 12:36:03 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA09076 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 12:35:59 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA18087; Tue, 7 Sep 93 11:38:53 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net ) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA21804 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 11:22:18 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA21800 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 11:22:16 -0400 Received: from mail.lth.se (nic.lth.se) by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA28125 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 11:22:14 -0400 Received: from dit.lth.se by mail.lth.se with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0oa4rz-000MUmC; Tue, 7 Sep 93 17:22 MET DST Received: from hera.dit.lth.se by dit.lth.se (4.1/DIt/gate BR ); Tue, 7 Sep 93 17:22:39 +0200 (MET) Received: from loopback by hera.dit.lth.se (4.1/); Tue, 7 Sep 93 17:19:14 +0200 (MET) Message-Id: <9309071519.AA11941@hera.dit.lth.se> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Extension Hunt continues Date: Tue, 07 Sep 93 17:19:08 +0200 From: hakan@hera.dit.lth.se Status: RO > > Why doesn't one of us or someone else that has lots of spare time :-) > write an AmigaGuide document file containing tips, bug reports, etc? I bet I could spare some time for that kind of work, but I can't start directly since my amiga is away for reparation :-( If you guys out there post the tips and so, then I put them together.... btw Which is the best AmigaGuide editor? > The AmosPro help system offers quick help for the built-in commands and the > Compiler extension's new commands, but how about adding the commands from > various extensions to the AmosPro help files (I haven't had time to find > out how to actually do this). AND, last but not least, how about > a simple asciifile containing ALL commands of Amos and various extensions > with a reference code and page number, so that it would be really fast to > find the correct syntax in the manuals??? > > Like this: > > Command Manual Page Short note > Print Amos xxx - > Print# Amos yyy - > > Then all we would have to do would be to write a short Amos program to > find a command in the file or we could use Csh's "Search" (or similar) to > find the page number. > > Just suggestions. I have a little asciilist for page numbers already, but > it only contains the Amos 1.36 commands... another problem is, I don't know > if different versions of the manual exist (some Amos 1.36 commands are not > in my Amos 1.1 Manual...) Why make a list? Why not putting the page number in the AmosPro help files? I got Amos 1.36 so I am afraid I can't help you figger out how to add cmds to the AmosPros help files, sorry! From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 7 12:59:30 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA12720 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 12:59:26 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA29827; Tue, 7 Sep 93 12:58:56 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA21858 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 11:52:09 -0400 Received: from mach1.wlu.ca by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA21854 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 11:52:06 -0400 Received: by mach1.wlu.ca (5.65/1.35) id AA15695; Tue, 7 Sep 93 11:51:25 -0400 From: mart4678@mach1.wlu.ca (Phil Martin u) Message-Id: <9309071551.AA15695@mach1.wlu.ca> Subject: Configuration To: amos-list@svcs1.digex.net (AMOS Mail List) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 93 11:51:24 EDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL13] Status: RO What is the name, and location of the configuration file used by AMOS Pro? I added an extension, it won't run now, etc. I'm sure there are lots of people out there who have had this same problem. Thanks in advance, Phil Martin. PS- I have the backup config file in the extra_configs directory, I just need to know what to rename it to... From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 7 12:43:41 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA10130 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 12:43:39 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA26133; Tue, 7 Sep 93 12:42:08 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA21960 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 12:19:22 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA21956 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 12:19:21 -0400 Received: by access.digex.net id AA06422 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list@access.digex.com); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 12:19:18 -0400 From: Michael 'AMOS' Cox Message-Id: <199309071619.AA06422@access.digex.net> Subject: Re: Global Strings (fwd) To: amos-list@access.digex.net (AMOS Mailing List) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1993 12:19:17 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <199309071340.AA05630@wembley.uni-paderborn.de> from "Tjark Kalow" at Sep 7, 93 03:40:57 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 303 Status: RO C also has a goto! Mike -- Michael Cox Work: mcox@access.digex.com Amiga Conquers, AMOS Rules! Play: aj639@cleveland.freenet.edu This space intentionally left blank Fido: 1:109/456.0 The text above is my own and all that other disclaimer junk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 7 12:50:40 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA11083 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 12:50:37 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA27164; Tue, 7 Sep 93 12:47:00 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA21966 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 12:21:11 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA21962 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 12:21:09 -0400 Received: by access.digex.net id AA06653 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list@access.digex.com); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 12:21:05 -0400 From: Michael 'AMOS' Cox Message-Id: <199309071621.AA06653@access.digex.net> Subject: Re: Sticks extension To: amos-list@access.digex.net (AMOS Mailing List) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1993 12:21:04 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <9309071422.AA23817@mach1.wlu.ca> from "Phil Martin u" at Sep 7, 93 10:22:13 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 575 Status: RO >What is this Sticks extension? It sounds like exactly what I need for my >next game... Is it available for Pro? Where can I find it? I am not sure if it is Pro compatible yet. I just got my issues of the AMOS Club UK newsletter and it is mentioned in there. No word if it is Pro, though. Mike -- Michael Cox Work: mcox@access.digex.com Amiga Conquers, AMOS Rules! Play: aj639@cleveland.freenet.edu This space intentionally left blank Fido: 1:109/456.0 The text above is my own and all that other disclaimer junk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 7 13:50:34 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA20455 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 13:50:32 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA03732; Tue, 7 Sep 93 13:20:40 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net ) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA22475 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 13:10:53 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA22471 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 13:10:51 -0400 Received: from ACS.BU.EDU by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA16141 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 13:10:50 -0400 Received: by acs.bu.edu (5.61+++/AIX-3.2) id AA121665; Tue, 7 Sep 93 13:10:08 -0400 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 93 13:10:08 -0400 From: hacker@acs.bu.edu (Jose Elias) Message-Id: <9309071710.AA121665@acs.bu.edu> To: amos-list@access.digex.net, mas@inf.rl.ac.uk Subject: Re: SkidMarks Game... Status: RO Martin, I don't think the CD-32 Joy-Pad connector is the same as the amiga's, but IF it is (I doubt though) what they probably do is settle down in a "standard" way of reading the pad, i.e.: the pad can constantly send a 16-bit word SERIALLY (or 2 8-bits?), and each of the 16 bits represents up, down, button 1,2,3,... etc, and then it just repeats the same thing over and over again. The problem I see is how fast this could be done thru the regular amiga ports, I REALLY have no idea since I don't know how to program the amiga in ASM (yet!!!), so someone can probably work this out a little bit better than I can. I'm sure we can do this in amos, but we'd need one of these "CD-32 standard" type joypads so that it keeps sending those bit continously and we can interpret them 16 bits at a time. Sincerely, hacker@acs.bu.edu p.s.: I know is not hard to build such a device, I took a simple logic-design course and I think even I can build the logic circuit needed, all I would really need to know is at what frequency to send data in the port (i.e.: how many bits per second). From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 7 14:25:59 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA26293 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 14:25:56 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA07894; Tue, 7 Sep 93 13:49:46 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net ) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA22559 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 13:32:15 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA22555 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 13:32:14 -0400 Received: from ACS.BU.EDU by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA18382 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 13:32:12 -0400 Received: by acs.bu.edu (5.61+++/AIX-3.2) id AA84207; Tue, 7 Sep 93 13:31:31 -0400 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 93 13:31:31 -0400 From: hacker@acs.bu.edu (Jose Elias) Message-Id: <9309071731.AA84207@acs.bu.edu> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Amos games for FTP? Status: RO Hi Everyone! Why don't we start naming games made with AMOS and their locations on the Net along with a simple paragraph of what it is? I have NEVER seen a game written in AMOS before (except for the mediocre ones that came with the AMOS) and so I'd like to see what people are actually doing with it. Sincerely, hacker@acs.bu.edu From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 7 18:55:32 1993 Received: from po.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA10761 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 18:55:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from svcs1.digex.net by po.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.9.3) id AA12773; Tue, 7 Sep 93 18:54:16 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA22965 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 14:21:52 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA22961 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 14:21:50 -0400 Received: from vax.mbhs.edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA25502 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 14:21:47 -0400 Message-Id: <199309071821.AA25502@access.digex.net> Date: 7 Sep 93 14:20:00 EST From: "Andrew Church" <95ACHURCH@vax.mbhs.edu> Subject: Re: AMAL + plotting To: "amos-list" Status: RO >> And if you're going to compile your prog anyway, amal isn't any faster than >> Amos for Bobs and Sprites. > >How did you get that idea? Just try to understand AMAL further and see >what sheer power it offers! Sure, it hasn't many control structures >but everything is interrupt driven and you can synchronize its actions >with your main program by using AMAL channels! It depends how good the compiler is. If it's good enough (which we can hope), then AMAL and standard AMOS instructions will run at the same speed. AMAL does have the advantage of being interrupt driven, but it's a lot easier to write code in AMOS than in AMAL. It also depends on the complexity of the program; a (relatively) simple program probably would not need AMAL. --Andy Church From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 7 19:35:50 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA17505 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 19:35:48 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA16024; Tue, 7 Sep 93 19:08:23 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net ) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA00159 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 18:28:34 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA23011 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 14:43:15 -0400 Received: from vax.mbhs.edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA28444 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 14:43:12 -0400 Message-Id: <199309071843.AA28444@access.digex.net> Date: 7 Sep 93 14:32:00 EST From: "Andrew Church" <95ACHURCH@vax.mbhs.edu> Subject: Re: Configuration To: "amos-list" Status: RO >What is the name, and location of the configuration file used by AMOS >Pro? I added an extension, it won't run now, etc. I'm sure there are >lots of people out there who have had this same problem. It's S:AMOSPro_Interpreter_Config. --Andy Church From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 7 19:21:01 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA15640 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 19:20:58 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA16443; Tue, 7 Sep 93 19:18:35 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA00246 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 18:29:04 -0400 Received: from mach1.wlu.ca by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA00240 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 18:29:01 -0400 Received: by mach1.wlu.ca (5.65/1.35) id AA01383; Tue, 7 Sep 93 16:50:31 -0400 From: mart4678@mach1.wlu.ca (Phil Martin u) Message-Id: <9309072050.AA01383@mach1.wlu.ca> Subject: Blitz Basic & Skidmarks To: amos-list@svcs1.digex.net (AMOS Mail List) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 93 16:50:30 EDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL13] Status: RO I just checked out SkidMarks, and all I can say is... WOW! As far as I'm concerned it is a HELL of a lot better than anything I've seen done in AMOS. I've been a loyal AMOSer since v1.2, but this is just incredible! Plus I hear that Blitz Basic is more system-friendly, and as a result supports AGA... So here's the situation: Unless SomeoneWhoKnows can tell me why I shouldn't, I'm going to sell my copy of AMOS Pro & get Blitz Basic 2. I'd like it if I didn't have to do this, so if anyone can direct me to a finished product anywhere near the speed/smoothness of SkidMarks that was written in AMOS, or tell me what the differences are (pros and cons of each) I'd really appreciate it. Yours in limbo, Phil Martin. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 7 19:49:18 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA19569 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 19:49:13 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA21036; Tue, 7 Sep 93 19:46:54 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA00578 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 19:24:11 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA00574 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 19:24:09 -0400 Received: from peladon.rmit.OZ.AU by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA16091 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 19:24:07 -0400 Received: from minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU by peladon.rmit.OZ.AU with SMTP id AA23574 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 09:24:05 +1000 Received: by minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU From: s921878@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (Daniel John Lee Parnell) Message-Id: <9309072324.28155@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU> Subject: Joypad on CD32 To: amos-list@access.digex.net (amos Amos Mailing List) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1993 09:24:11 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 799 Status: RO G'day! If I were desgining something like that, I wouldn't have serial anything! I would use the lines for the paddles to select which button I wanted to read (giving 4 buttons) and then reading the fire button. This does have it's drawbacks though because it would necesitate reading the joystick 4 times to find the status of all of the buttons, but I think it would probably be quicker and less complicated (not to mention cheaper to make) than some sort of serial thingy. Daniel Daniel Parnell - Email to s921878@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au - AMIGA 500 1 MEG Second Year Applied Physics student at R.M.I.T. Melbourne Australia. *:|() People who drink petrol shouldn't smoke. AMOS 1.34 with Compiler and 3D Squaxx Dek Thargo since prog 579 - C64 Oric Amiga Mac CCPM - Forth From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 7 20:39:28 1993 Received: from po.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA27995 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 20:39:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from svcs1.digex.net by po.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.9.3) id AA18698; Tue, 7 Sep 93 19:21:54 -0400 from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for ) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA00290 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 18:38:26 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA22999 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 14:43:07 -0400 Received: from vax.mbhs.edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA28428 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 14:43:04 -0400 Message-Id: <199309071843.AA28428@access.digex.net> Date: 7 Sep 93 14:31:00 EST From: "Andrew Church" <95ACHURCH@vax.mbhs.edu> Subject: 2-button joysticks To: "amos-list" Status: RO Since everyone seems to be asking, I'll answer. To test the second button of a joystick in port 1, use the statement BUTTON2=Btst(6,$DFF016) which is the status of bit 14 of custom chip register $DFF016 (POTGOR). (The bit number is 6 because you can only test single bytes of memory.) To test the second button of a joystick in port 0, I *think* it would be: BUTTON2=Btst(2,$DFF016) which is bit 10 of POTGOR. --Andy Church From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 7 20:49:30 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA29618 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 20:49:28 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA26027; Tue, 7 Sep 93 20:11:13 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net ) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA00611 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 19:55:53 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA00607 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 19:55:51 -0400 Received: by access.digex.net id AA20230 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list@access.digex.com); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 19:55:44 -0400 From: Michael 'AMOS' Cox Message-Id: <199309072355.AA20230@access.digex.net> Subject: Re: Blitz Basic & Skidmarks To: amos-list@access.digex.net (AMOS Mailing List) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1993 19:55:43 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <9309072050.AA01383@mach1.wlu.ca> from "Phil Martin u" at Sep 7, 93 04:50:30 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 951 Status: RO >as a result supports AGA... BB2 does not support AGA. >So here's the situation: Unless SomeoneWhoKnows can tell me why I shouldn't, >I'm going to sell my copy of AMOS Pro & get Blitz Basic 2. I'd like it Well, I have heard that the makers of BB2 have disbanded so they no longer make/support it. It is also supposed to be given away on the November issue of Amiga Format. >product anywhere near the speed/smoothness of SkidMarks that was written Well, that is because BB2 has a special Blitz mode which is nothing near system-friendly. Similar to turning off multi-tasking, etc. which you can do with AMOS but it takes a couple more commands using the DOSCALLs. Mike -- Michael Cox Work: mcox@access.digex.com Amiga Conquers, AMOS Rules! Play: aj639@cleveland.freenet.edu This space intentionally left blank Fido: 1:109/456.0 The text above is my own and all that other disclaimer junk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 7 20:48:44 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA29541 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 20:48:42 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AB26946; Tue, 7 Sep 93 20:16:20 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net ) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA00652 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 20:04:05 -0400 Received: from cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA00648 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 20:04:02 -0400 Received: from sun.cuug.ab.ca by cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.05) id AA55888; Tue, 7 Sep 1993 18:03:28 -0600 From: cokars@cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca (Sami Cokar) Received: by sun (4.1//ident-1.0) id AA27254; Tue, 7 Sep 93 18:06:46 MDT Date: Tue, 7 Sep 93 18:06:46 MDT Message-Id: <9309080006.AA27254@sun> To: amos-list@svcs1.digex.net, mart4678@mach1.wlu.ca Subject: Re: Blitz Basic & Skidmarks Status: RO I had the demo for Blitz Basic on my A3000 for a few days. After a few annoying gurus it went to the bit bucket. If your demo is not bug free, how will I be sure your product is any better? Sami cokars@cuug.ab.ca From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 7 22:24:32 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA14059 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 22:24:31 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA13429; Tue, 7 Sep 93 22:23:01 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA00890 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 22:14:13 -0400 Received: from mach1.wlu.ca by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA00886 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 7 Sep 1993 22:14:11 -0400 Received: by mach1.wlu.ca (5.65/1.35) id AA11764; Tue, 7 Sep 93 22:13:31 -0400 From: mart4678@mach1.wlu.ca (Phil Martin u) Message-Id: <9309080213.AA11764@mach1.wlu.ca> Subject: Joypad on CD32 (fwd) To: amos-list@svcs1.digex.net (AMOS Mail List) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 93 22:13:30 EDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL13] Status: RO Forwarded message: > G'day! > If I were desgining something like that, I wouldn't have serial > anything! I would use the lines for the paddles to select which button I > wanted to read (giving 4 buttons) and then reading the fire button. This > does have it's drawbacks though because it would necesitate reading the > joystick 4 times to find the status of all of the buttons, but I think it > would probably be quicker and less complicated (not to mention cheaper to > make) than some sort of serial thingy. > > Daniel OK, I've seen a few postings about this here, just thought I'd let you know what I've heard... CD^32s will use an _11_ button (plus 4 direction) control pad. Also, each port can handle _8_ controllers (yes, for a total of 16 players per game, which works out to 176 buttons (plus 64 direction) total). This is the truth as told by CU Amiga, Amiga Format, and Lew Eggebreght (sorry if the spelling is wrong) Hope this helps, Phil Martin. > > Daniel Parnell - Email to s921878@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au - AMIGA 500 1 MEG > Second Year Applied Physics student at R.M.I.T. Melbourne Australia. *:|() > People who drink petrol shouldn't smoke. AMOS 1.34 with Compiler and 3D > Squaxx Dek Thargo since prog 579 - C64 Oric Amiga Mac CCPM - Forth From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Sep 8 04:53:13 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA26741 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 04:53:11 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA10731; Wed, 8 Sep 93 04:51:44 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA02019 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 04:40:01 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA02015 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 04:39:56 -0400 Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA26060 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 04:39:50 -0400 Via: uk.ac.rutherford.informatics; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 09:38:22 +0100 Received: from pecan by inf.rl.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Sep 93 09:38:10 BST Date: Wed, 8 Sep 93 09:35:21 BST From: mas@inf.rl.ac.uk Message-Id: <9309080835.AA01676@pecan> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Of Mice & Skidmarks... Status: RO For anyone who is interested, here's some code I knocked up to read a mouse plugged into the second mouse port. Now I'm not saying this is at all how it should be done in 'proper' AMOS programs, because it really needs to check the mouse counters at LEAST 100 times a second to stay accurate, but at least it shows how easy it is to do if someone cares to write a better interrupt driven version (*hint*) BTW - I'm loading in the bank off the original AMOS disk that contains the definition of the mouse pointer. AMOS Pro users can either try to locate the same thing on their Pro system disk or just use any other sprite bank they have lying around... Load "amos:amos_system/mouse.abk" : Cls : Curs Off MX=X Hard(160) : MY=Y Hard(100) DX=Peek($DFF00D) : DY=Peek($DFF00C) Do OLD_DX=DX : OLD_DY=DY DX=Peek($DFF00D) : DY=Peek($DFF00C) DIFF=DX-OLD_DX If DIFF<-127 Then DIFF=-255-DIFF If DIFF>127 Then DIFF=255-DIFF MX=MX+DIFF DIFF=DY-OLD_DY If DIFF<-127 Then DIFF=-255-DIFF If DIFF>127 Then DIFF=255-DIFF MY=MY+DIFF Print "Left Button =";Fire(1) Print "Right Button =";-1-Btst(6,$DFF016) Home : Sprite 2,MX,MY,1 : Poke $DFF034,192 Loop The Poke to $DFF034 seems to be neccessary to keep the right mouse button check going, I think it resets the paddle capacitor line that the button makes use of. The left mouse button can be read using the normal joystick fire button function. On the subject of Skidmarks, I wasn't suggesting you should desert Amos and buy Blitz Basic instead ! Just that Amos could really use a similar sort of game to show it off. To be honest, Skidmarks could probably be done just the same in Amos anyway. It doesnt look like a vast amount of processing, just a large lowres screen with a couple of bobs moving around on it. Martin. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Sep 8 05:12:49 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA28497 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 05:12:48 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA11971; Wed, 8 Sep 93 05:11:24 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA02047 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 04:58:03 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA02043 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 04:58:00 -0400 Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA26933 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 04:57:58 -0400 Via: uk.ac.rutherford.informatics; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 09:57:30 +0100 Received: from pecan by inf.rl.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Sep 93 09:57:18 BST Date: Wed, 8 Sep 93 09:54:29 BST From: mas@inf.rl.ac.uk Message-Id: <9309080854.AA01686@pecan> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: re: CD32 Joypad Status: RO I'm *sure* I've read in various places that CD32 joypads DO use a "normal" joystick plug. The best explanation I can come up with is as follows... A normal joystick uses 5 lines, 4 for direction plus fire button. A mouse can use up to 7 lines. That is, the 5 that the joystick uses plus also the two analogue lines that you connect paddles to. These provide the right mouse button and middle mouse button if present too. Yup, the buttons are actually read by the analogue hardware, odd but true... So in theory we have seven lines available. Now in actual fact, using four lines for the joystick is really a waste of a line, since you can't push the stick up and down (or left and right) at the same time. Unless its broken... My guess is therefore that the CD32 joypad encodes the joystick/pad direction into THREE lines (thats 8 combinations, which is enough) leaving the other FOUR lines for independant "fire" buttons. If you look at the controller pictured in every publicity piccy of the CD32, it does only have four buttons, not eleven. Sound plausible ? Martin. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Sep 8 06:53:27 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA03789 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 06:53:25 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA15947; Wed, 8 Sep 93 06:51:59 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA02259 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 06:39:48 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA02255 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 06:39:44 -0400 Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA03011 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 06:39:41 -0400 Via: uk.ac.rutherford.informatics; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 11:38:59 +0100 Received: from pecan by inf.rl.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Sep 93 11:38:46 BST Date: Wed, 8 Sep 93 11:35:57 BST From: mas@inf.rl.ac.uk Message-Id: <9309081035.AA01743@pecan> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: re: CD32 Joypad...OOPS ! Status: RO > My guess is therefore that the CD32 joypad encodes the joystick/pad direction > into THREE lines (thats 8 combinations, which is enough) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Second thoughts - that's no good after all, you need NINE directions. Thats up, down, left, right and the four diagonals plus an indication of when the thing isnt being moved in a direction at all. Oh well, it seemed to work at the time :-( Unless the joypad can't do diagonals that is...hmmm. Looking at a photo of the side of CD32 in this months Amiga Format pull out, its has two normal looking joystick ports plus a "keyboard/serial" port too. The joystick ports are actually labelled "Game controller", so I take this as proof that the joypad DOES plug into them. Technically, it is possible to use some of the joystick lines as an OUTPUT, so it could say use a line to select one of two sets of 5 inputs. I know it can be done, because I once connected my old A500 to a CBM64 using the joystick ports. I wouldnt recommend it though, it worked for a while but I eventually blew the CIA chip in the A500 :-( I dunno....this is all sounding a bit complex for a joystick. Martin. PS - Sorry I've kinda strayed away from Amos again. It won't happen again :-) From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Sep 8 07:05:08 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA06780 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 07:05:07 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA16386; Wed, 8 Sep 93 07:01:52 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA02287 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 06:50:19 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA02283 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 06:50:18 -0400 Received: from bos1a.delphi.com (delphi.com) by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA03619 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 06:50:16 -0400 Received: from bix.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.2-11 #4520) id <01H2P36LN2XC90PVF3@delphi.com>; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 06:49:43 EDT Received: by bix.com (CoSy3.31.1.29) id <9309080642.memo.85360@BIX.com>; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 06:42:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1993 06:42:07 -0400 (EDT) From: sfmcnally@BIX.com Subject: Re: Questions to FL In-Reply-To: To: e91mom@efd.lth.se Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: <9309080642.memo.85360@BIX.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Cosy-To: e91mom@efd.lth.se (Martin Omander) X-Cosy-Cc: amos-list@access.digex.com Status: RO I'd geuss Amos 1.36 is the mosyt bug free. I've heard Pro is pretty buggy. I'm not sure about Var buffers, but mine's at 34k no problem. Seumas From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Sep 8 07:14:35 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA07424 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 07:14:34 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA16886; Wed, 8 Sep 93 07:13:07 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA02293 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 06:51:04 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA02289 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 06:51:02 -0400 Received: from bos1b.delphi.com (delphi.com) by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA03646 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 06:51:01 -0400 Received: from bix.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.2-11 #4520) id <01H2P3752D1S90PVF3@delphi.com>; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 06:50:09 EDT Received: by bix.com (CoSy3.31.1.29) id <9309080647.memo.85363@BIX.com>; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 06:47:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1993 06:47:15 -0400 (EDT) From: sfmcnally@BIX.com Subject: RE: more questions for Lionet!!! In-Reply-To: <9309071226.AA66572@acs.bu.edu> To: hacker@acs.bu.edu Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: <9309080647.memo.85363@BIX.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Cosy-To: hacker@acs.bu.edu (Jose Elias) X-Cosy-Cc: amos-list@access.digex.com Status: RO Mice in both ports and 2-4 button joysticks will be handled in the "Sticks" extention for 1.3x. Allso, 1.34 (and maybe earlier) come with a Serial extention, the problem is it's buggy, it hangs if you try and change the BPS in mid session. But there is an "LSerial" extention in the works or done that will work great AND handle ANSI graphics. :) Seumas From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Sep 8 07:24:27 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA07846 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 07:24:26 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA17598; Wed, 8 Sep 93 07:22:59 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA02352 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 07:00:57 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA02346 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 07:00:54 -0400 Received: from bos1b.delphi.com (delphi.com) by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA05888 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 07:00:53 -0400 Received: from bix.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.2-11 #4520) id <01H2P3JHRVGW90PVF3@delphi.com>; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 07:00:07 EDT Received: by bix.com (CoSy3.31.1.29) id <9309080656.memo.85369@BIX.com>; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 06:56:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1993 06:56:24 -0400 (EDT) From: sfmcnally@BIX.com Subject: RE: AMAL + plotting In-Reply-To: <199309071327.AA05115@wembley.uni-paderborn.de> To: Tjark Kalow Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: <9309080656.memo.85369@BIX.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Cosy-To: Tjark Kalow X-Cosy-Cc: amos-list@access.digex.com Status: RO Well, if you want to have more than 16 bobs Etc. you can't use Amal's great interupts. ;) Allso, Amal in a compiled prog isn't any faster, as Amal parts are pre compiled even in uncompiled amos. With all the flexability running bobs from Amos gives you, Amal isn't really needed. (Just take my game enemy/bullet AI routines, they could NEVER be done in Amal, and even if they could, I wouldn';t want to TRY!) But, if Amal works for you, go ahead and use it. :) Seumas From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Sep 8 07:34:22 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA08344 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 07:34:20 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA17995; Wed, 8 Sep 93 07:32:54 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA02379 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 07:10:56 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA02375 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 07:10:53 -0400 Received: from bos1a.delphi.com (delphi.com) by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA07082 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 07:10:52 -0400 Received: from bix.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.2-11 #4520) id <01H2P3UIH0I890PVF3@delphi.com>; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 07:09:00 EDT Received: by bix.com (CoSy3.31.1.29) id <9309080706.memo.85373@BIX.com>; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 07:06:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1993 07:06:41 -0400 (EDT) From: sfmcnally@BIX.com Subject: Re: SkidMarks Game... In-Reply-To: <9309071523.AA01196@pecan> To: mas@inf.rl.ac.uk Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: <9309080706.memo.85373@BIX.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Cosy-To: mas@inf.rl.ac.uk X-Cosy-Cc: amos-list@access.digex.com Status: RO I don't think you can just peek to read joysticks on Amigas, that's why everyone's been wondering about a way to read 2 button sticks. ;) And they get 4 or 11 (I've heard the CD32 has 11) buttons in is by having one or more lines indicate what the button lines mean. If the controll line is on, the button lines mean a,b, with it off they mean c,d, I think that's how it workes anyway. Allso, if you're in desparate need, and have the Amos Club Shuffle extention I'm pretty sure you can read button two with one of the Analog stick functions. Seumas From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Sep 8 07:43:42 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA09288 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 07:43:41 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA18510; Wed, 8 Sep 93 07:42:14 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA02385 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 07:13:03 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA02381 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 07:13:01 -0400 Received: from bos1a.delphi.com (delphi.com) by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA07282 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 07:13:00 -0400 Received: from bix.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.2-11 #4520) id <01H2P3YZP1O090PVF3@delphi.com>; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 07:12:37 EDT Received: by bix.com (CoSy3.31.1.29) id <9309080710.memo.85381@BIX.com>; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 07:10:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1993 07:10:29 -0400 (EDT) From: sfmcnally@BIX.com Subject: RE: Listing which version what works with ... In-Reply-To: To: Chris Richards Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: <9309080710.memo.85381@BIX.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Cosy-To: Chris Richards X-Cosy-Cc: amos-list@access.digex.com Status: RO Well, I don't know if there ARE any Pro extentions. ;) So if nobody mentions it's for Pro, you can bet it's Creator. ;) Allso, Aaron Fothergill keeps the OFFICIAL Amos extention list, if you're seriusly going to write an extention, you'd better get a free number from him at least SOMETIME before it's released. Seumas From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Sep 8 07:57:44 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA10715 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 07:57:43 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA19634; Wed, 8 Sep 93 07:57:25 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA02407 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 07:22:25 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA02403 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 07:22:23 -0400 Received: from bos1a.delphi.com (delphi.com) by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA07779 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 07:22:22 -0400 Received: from bix.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.2-11 #4520) id <01H2P4B5AVQO90PVF3@delphi.com>; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 07:21:38 EDT Received: by bix.com (CoSy3.31.1.29) id <9309080713.memo.85389@BIX.com>; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 07:13:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1993 07:13:46 -0400 (EDT) From: sfmcnally@BIX.com Subject: Re: SkidMarks Game... In-Reply-To: <9309071710.AA121665@acs.bu.edu> To: hacker@acs.bu.edu Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: <9309080713.memo.85389@BIX.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Cosy-To: hacker@acs.bu.edu (Jose Elias) X-Cosy-Cc: amos-list@access.digex.com Status: RO I'm pretty sure CD32 uses standard game ports, it IS Amiga Compat ya know. ;) (Just look at the 7 button Genesis sticks now, they use Amiga style ports. ;) Seumas From cs922012@gonzalo.ariel.yorku.ca Wed Sep 8 08:26:27 1993 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA14070 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 08:26:24 -0400 Received: from gonzalo.ariel.yorku.ca by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA02513 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 08:26:22 -0400 Received: by gonzalo.Ariel.YorkU.CA (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA28215; Wed, 8 Sep 93 08:26:20 -0400 Received: by iris.Ariel.YorkU.CA (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA05442; Wed, 8 Sep 93 08:26:17 -0400 Date: Wed, 8 Sep 93 08:26:17 -0400 From: Message-Id: <9309081226.AA05442@iris.Ariel.YorkU.CA> To: amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Subject: WOCA In Pasadena Status: RO I was wondering, is anyone from the list going to WOC in Pasadena this coming weekend? Let me know if you are, I have some things I would like to ask you to look at carefully for me. Thanks, Geoffrey Carman cs922012@ariel.yorku.ca From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Sep 8 10:03:25 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA27156 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 10:03:23 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA03847; Wed, 8 Sep 93 10:03:00 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA02721 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 09:55:04 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA02717 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 09:55:00 -0400 Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA25491 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 09:54:52 -0400 Via: uk.ac.rutherford.informatics; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 14:53:54 +0100 Received: from pecan by inf.rl.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Sep 93 14:53:44 BST Date: Wed, 8 Sep 93 14:50:55 BST From: mas@inf.rl.ac.uk Message-Id: <9309081350.AA01836@pecan> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Skidmarks & an AGA query... Status: RO >> ...with a couple of bobs... > I thought they were sprites... they look like they have 3 colors each. You're very probably right. Should be even easier to do in Amos and keep the speed up then :-) Mind you, looking a bit closer at the cars, they would probably benefit from being done with more colourful bobs instead. I doubt the speed would be much affected. If the game really does use 800 frames for the cars, I doubt they would store 800 x 4 frames to get the four different coloured cars. Using sprites would be an easy way to get the colour difference. Anyway, on to an Amos question. As you may or may not know, one of the features of the new AGA chips is that under certain conditions the display fetching hardware can run at higher rates. That is, with a special bit enabled in one of the new AGA registers, all the display fetches operates at 4x the normal speed. This of course leaves more time for the CPU to use, particularly if you're running a 16 colour hires screen. My question is, since Amos abandons Intuition and builds its own copper list, does it actually USE this feature, or does it allow the screen fetch to run at the old slower rate. Come to think of it, does Amos take advantage of any new AGA features at all ? I'll have a go myself at checking through the copperlist Amos uses if I get the time, but does anyone already know ? They must have done some work to get Amos 1.36 "AGA compatible", but does this just mean they've carefully avoided touching any AGA register bits or done as much as is possible without having to start changing commands to add direct AGA support (yet...) I wonder how difficult it is just to write a program that hacks the Amos copperlist to enable the bandwidth speedup. As far as I know, the only disadavantages to it are that the bitplanes must be aligned on a 64-bit boundary. I guess the screen width should be a multiple of 64 pixels wide too. Any thoughts ? Reading over what I've just written I suppose no one will have the vaguest idea what I'm on about unless you happen to have seen a copy of the AGA hardware reference stuff that is floating round various BBS systems. Some of them are even carrying info/specs on the new AAA chips too (DON'T ask me to post them here, I'm not sure Commodore would take it too kindly :-) Martin. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Sep 8 10:27:37 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA00462 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 10:27:34 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA07614; Wed, 8 Sep 93 10:27:19 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA02761 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 10:11:53 -0400 Received: from mach1.wlu.ca by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA02757 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 10:11:50 -0400 Received: by mach1.wlu.ca (5.65/1.35) id AA17741; Wed, 8 Sep 93 10:11:11 -0400 From: mart4678@mach1.wlu.ca (Phil Martin u) Message-Id: <9309081411.AA17741@mach1.wlu.ca> Subject: re: CD32 Joypad To: amos-list@svcs1.digex.net (AMOS Mail List) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 93 10:11:11 EDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL13] Status: RO Forwarded message: >If you look at the controller pictured in every publicity piccy of the CD32, it > does only have four buttons, not eleven. Acutally, if you look closely you can see seven. There are four round ones on the right and three skinny ones in a line near the middle, the type that are usually used for 'Select' and 'Run' and that kind of thing. Also, the shape of it suggests that there could easily be buttons at the front of those protruding round parts (so techie!) or underneath. > > Sound plausible ? > > Martin. > Phil Martin. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Sep 8 11:04:42 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA06029 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 11:04:40 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA13857; Wed, 8 Sep 93 11:04:19 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA02824 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 10:51:35 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA02820 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 10:51:28 -0400 Received: from mailgate.ericsson.se by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA03693 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 10:51:17 -0400 Received: from eua.ericsson.se by mailgate.ericsson.se (4.1/SMI-4.1-MAILGATE1.14) id AA06996; Wed, 8 Sep 93 16:50:55 +0200 Received: from ms.eua.ericsson.se by eua.ericsson.se (4.1/EUA-2.1) id AA05782; Wed, 8 Sep 93 16:50:54 +0200 Received: from euax1i6c18.eua.ericsson.se by ms.eua.ericsson.se (4.1/MS-2.1) id AA23887; Wed, 8 Sep 93 16:50:53 +0200 From: Per.Lundholm@eua.ericsson.se (Per Lundholm) Received: by euax1i6c18.eua.ericsson.se (4.1/client-1.3) id AA16111; Wed, 8 Sep 93 16:50:52 +0200 Date: Wed, 8 Sep 93 16:50:52 +0200 Message-Id: <9309081450.AA16111@euax1i6c18.eua.ericsson.se> To: amos-list@access.digex.net, mas@inf.rl.ac.uk Subject: Re: Skidmarks & an AGA query... Status: RO > > >> ...with a couple of bobs... > > > I thought they were sprites... they look like they have 3 colors each. > > You're very probably right. Should be even easier to do in Amos and keep the > speed up then :-) > Speaking of speed, according to the review on Blitz, it is faster than Amos for a very good reason, it is a true compiler! The Amos compiler does not `compile' in a strict sense, it reworks the code and has its own interpreter tacked along. Blitz on the other hand, compiles to machine code which is interpreted (i.e. executed) by the CPU itself. Per Lundholm From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Sep 8 08:44:05 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA16074 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 08:44:04 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA23477; Wed, 8 Sep 93 08:43:46 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA02536 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 08:34:18 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA02532 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 08:34:17 -0400 Received: from cc.lut.fi by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA14685 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 08:34:15 -0400 Received: by cc.lut.fi (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4/Kim-2.2) id AA27548; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 15:34:13 +0300 From: Kimmo Veijalainen Message-Id: <199309081234.AA27548@cc.lut.fi> Subject: Of Mice & Skidmarks... (fwd) To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Wed, 8 Sep 93 15:34:13 EETDST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: RO > BTW - I'm loading in the bank off the original AMOS disk that contains the > definition of the mouse pointer. AMOS Pro users can either try to > locate the same thing on their Pro system disk or just use any other > sprite bank they have lying around... If my memory hasn't totally failed, there is NO mouse.abk in AmosPro 2.0... Neither is there default.key or default.font. It uses the system font & the system keymap (at least my version does). > On the subject of Skidmarks, I wasn't suggesting you should desert Amos and > buy Blitz Basic instead ! Just that Amos could really use a similar sort of > game to show it off. To be honest, Skidmarks could probably be done just the > same in Amos anyway. It doesnt look like a vast amount of processing, just a > large lowres screen with a couple of bobs moving around on it. I thought they were sprites... they look like they have 3 colors each. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Sep 8 12:05:30 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA14560 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 12:05:27 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA22737; Wed, 8 Sep 93 12:04:51 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA03250 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 11:50:02 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA03246 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 11:49:58 -0400 Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA11554 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 11:49:53 -0400 Via: uk.ac.rutherford.informatics; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 16:49:34 +0100 Received: from pecan by inf.rl.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Sep 93 16:49:23 BST Date: Wed, 8 Sep 93 16:46:34 BST From: mas@inf.rl.ac.uk Message-Id: <9309081546.AA01907@pecan> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Skidmarks & an AGA query... Status: RO > Speaking of speed, according to the review on Blitz, it is faster than > Amos for a very good reason, it is a true compiler! > The Amos compiler does not `compile' in a strict sense, it reworks the > code and has its own interpreter tacked along. > Blitz on the other hand, compiles to machine code which is interpreted > (i.e. executed) by the CPU itself. > Per Lundholm Hmmm...I dont really agree with this. The example machine code segments in the Compiler manual show that commands are translated to direct jumps into the library of amos routines, which used to be included in the executable with the original compiler but CAN now be in LIBS:amos.library under Pro compiler. As such, there is no interpreting of the original source code you entered at all. The reason why you dont get a vast speed improvement when the program is compiled is that compiling does not improve the execution speed of the commands themselves at all, it only removes some of the overhead that the interpreter adds while it decides which command to call next. It very much depends on the sort of code you are trying to compile. Code thats splats a huge BOB onto the screen is not going to speed up much because it spends most of its time actually within the amos routines that draw bobs up. It doesn't matter how little overhead is involved in actually starting up this bob drawing process, the blitter is still going to take the same amount of time whether it was called from interpreted or compiled Amos (or directly from assembly code for that matter) On the other hand, consider a statement like "X=X+5". The interpreter has to look up where the value that the character "X" refers to is stored. It has got to recognise the "+" character and run the right piece of code to do addition and so on. The actual addition itself hardly takes any time at all. Worst of all, if this is in a loop, its got to go through the whole process each time round it. The compiled equivalent would already know where X was and would probably only need to execute a single machine code instruction to add 5 to it, since it already knows that it is going to do an addition too. Thus simple integer math manipulation stuff is sped up considerably by the compiler. So the moral is, your fractal plotting routine will probably zip along ten times faster compiled, where as your latest 50 level shoot-em-up featuring 300 fully animated BOBS flying round the screen will probably still run at almost exactly the same speed (or lack of it :-) Anyway, thats quite enough compiler theory for one day... Martin. PS - Right, no more posts from me today honest, I got some *work* to do. No, wait a minute. It's time to go home already, oh well... From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Sep 8 14:57:15 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA09095 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 14:57:13 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA18535; Wed, 8 Sep 93 14:56:35 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA04816 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 14:40:47 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA04812 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 14:40:45 -0400 Received: from vax.mbhs.edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA06606 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 14:40:28 -0400 Message-Id: <199309081840.AA06606@access.digex.net> Date: 8 Sep 93 14:29:00 EST From: "Andrew Church" <95ACHURCH@vax.mbhs.edu> Subject: Re: Questions to FL To: "amos-list" Status: RO I've got Pro 1.12 and haven't had any problems that I can recall, beyond X/Y Hard (which seems broken in every version) and my own assembler routines crashing, which they tend to do a lot :-) As to the variable buffer question, I've used a 512k buffer without any problems. --Andy Church From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Sep 8 17:33:34 1993 Received: from po.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA04918 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 17:33:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from svcs1.digex.net by po.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.9.3) id AA06944; Wed, 8 Sep 93 16:36:22 -0400 from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for ) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA05131 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 16:17:57 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA05127 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 16:17:56 -0400 Received: from CCVAX.FULLERTON.EDU (csu.Fullerton.EDU) by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA21506 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 16:17:52 -0400 Received: from FULLERTON.EDU by FULLERTON.EDU (PMDF #2446 ) id <01H2PGM2IHJQ000HMD@FULLERTON.EDU>; Wed, 8 Sep 1993 13:16:42 PST Date: 08 Sep 1993 13:16:42 -0800 (PST) From: ROLAND ACTON Subject: Return Values To: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: <01H2PGM2JAHK000HMD@FULLERTON.EDU> X-Vms-To: IN%"amos-list@access.digex.net" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO Here's a mindbender for you all. I've got an AMOS CLI compiled program that I'd like to return a value to the calling CLI. In a normal program you would simply load the return value into D0 when the program ends, but I doubt very much that this will work with Dreg(0) in AMOS, because that's only used for calling functions. Anyone have any ideas on how I could do this? From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Sep 8 20:20:51 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA26660 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 20:20:47 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA10897; Wed, 8 Sep 93 20:20:31 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA06468 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 20:07:14 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA06464 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 20:07:12 -0400 Received: from sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA25042 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 20:07:05 -0400 Received: from mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au (maverick@mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au [128.184.102.1]) by sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au (8.5/1.2) with SMTP id KAA25000; Thu, 9 Sep 1993 10:06:27 +1000 Received: by mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au (4.1/client-1.3) id AA11313; Thu, 9 Sep 93 10:06:25 EST Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 09:58:38 +1000 (EST) From: Scott Southurst Subject: Extension programming etc. To: LIST AMOS Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O Ive tried to compile the _music.s file on the Update disk (1.32/4) and have had no success. After changing the set and ENDC I have come to another undefined command/thingy ---> rs.l 1 I am trying to use Assempro to compile (And buying a new assembler is NOT an option or a fix). What is the ASSEMPRO equivaluent for the rs.l?? Note: format for the rs.l is :- LABEL: rs.l n ||\ *********************************************** ./~ \ * Scott Southurst (maverick@deakin.edu.au) * ~~\ \ * Deakin University, Warrnambool, Australia * // \ * Aquatic Biology/Computer Programming * | \___/| * A500 - 1084s - 1meg - AMOS 1.34 - AMOS 3d * /~/~~ ___/ * Compiler - AND LOVING IT!! (Soon A1200??) * ~~~~~~~~ *********************************************** From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Sep 8 21:34:39 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA05504 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 21:34:36 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA20375; Wed, 8 Sep 93 21:34:22 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA06687 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 21:25:31 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA06683 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 21:25:29 -0400 Received: from vax.mbhs.edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA04756 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 8 Sep 1993 21:25:23 -0400 Message-Id: <199309090125.AA04756@access.digex.net> Date: 8 Sep 93 21:14:00 EST From: "Andrew Church" <95ACHURCH@vax.mbhs.edu> Subject: Re: Extension programming etc. To: "amos-list" Status: O >Ive tried to compile the _music.s file on the Update disk (1.32/4) and >have had no success. After changing the set and ENDC I have come to another >undefined command/thingy ---> rs.l 1 > >I am trying to use Assempro to compile (And buying a new assembler is NOT an >option or a fix). What is the ASSEMPRO equivaluent for the rs.l?? It's the same as "ds.l". Note that there are two directives that have no AssemPro equivalents: RsReset and __Rs. The first should be deleted, and to emulate the second, you need to do something like this: Instead of RsReset rs.l 4 rs.w 8 Length1 equ __Rs RsReset rs.l 8 rs.w 4 Length2 equ __Rs use this: bss label0: ds.l 4 ds.w 8 label1: Length1 equ label1-label0 ds.l 8 ds.w 4 label2: Length2 equ label2-label1 and so on. In case you're interested, there's an assembler (A68k) on one of the Fred Fish disks. It handles most of the "standard" directives, I think. (I don't actually have it; I just know it exists.) --Andy Church From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 9 01:12:28 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA19582 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 01:12:25 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA12231; Thu, 9 Sep 93 01:12:05 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA07349 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 00:57:37 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA07345 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 00:57:34 -0400 Received: from mailgate.ericsson.se by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA10297 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 00:57:29 -0400 Received: from eua.ericsson.se by mailgate.ericsson.se (4.1/SMI-4.1-MAILGATE1.14) id AA22892; Thu, 9 Sep 93 06:57:20 +0200 Received: from ms.eua.ericsson.se by eua.ericsson.se (4.1/EUA-2.1) id AA23711; Thu, 9 Sep 93 06:57:19 +0200 Received: from euax1i6c18.eua.ericsson.se by ms.eua.ericsson.se (4.1/MS-2.1) id AA05012; Thu, 9 Sep 93 06:57:18 +0200 From: Per.Lundholm@eua.ericsson.se (Per Lundholm) Received: by euax1i6c18.eua.ericsson.se (4.1/client-1.3) id AA18208; Thu, 9 Sep 93 06:57:16 +0200 Date: Thu, 9 Sep 93 06:57:16 +0200 Message-Id: <9309090457.AA18208@euax1i6c18.eua.ericsson.se> To: amos-list@access.digex.net, mas@inf.rl.ac.uk Subject: Re: Skidmarks & an AGA query... Status: O > > > Speaking of speed, according to the review on Blitz, it is faster than > > Amos for a very good reason, it is a true compiler! (...) > > Hmmm...I dont really agree with this. [Deleted enligthning discussion on how the compiler works] > Martin. But Blitz is faster, right? > PS - Right, no more posts from me today honest, I got some *work* to do. > No, wait a minute. It's time to go home already, oh well... Happend to me yesterday, too. Got up really early today and found your mail which I must respond to and then... Per. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 9 04:16:54 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA23481 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 04:16:49 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA23841; Thu, 9 Sep 93 04:16:35 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA07708 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 04:02:13 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA07704 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 04:02:11 -0400 Received: from uni-paderborn.de by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA06887 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 04:02:07 -0400 Received: from formentera.uni-paderborn.de by uni-paderborn.de with SMTP id AA16855 (5.65c8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 10:02:05 +0200 Received: by formentera.uni-paderborn.de id AA05839 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for amos-list@access.digex.com); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 10:02:00 +0200 Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 10:02:00 +0200 From: Tjark Kalow Message-Id: <199309090802.AA05839@formentera.uni-paderborn.de> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Global Strings (fwd) In-Reply-To: <199309071619.AA06422@access.digex.net> References: <199309071340.AA05630@wembley.uni-paderborn.de> <199309071619.AA06422@access.digex.net> Status: O Hello Michael, On Tue, September 7, 1993 you wrote about the subject 'Re: Global Strings (fwd)': > C also has a goto! Sorry, I didn't know that. But what is its recommended use: Only for error handling, like PASCAL, or is it used commonly? Greetings, Tjark -- This is a typical case, whom we shall refer to as Mr. A, although his real name is this: +----------------------------------------------------------------+ Name: Tjark Kalow E-Mail: tjark@uni-paderborn.de Address: Thorenknick 6 33100 Paderborn Country: Germany Tel.: 0 52 52 / 39 12 (phone answering system) Computer: AMIGA 500 KS1.2 1MB w. 2 drives Occupation: Student +----------------------------------------------------------------+ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 9 04:27:16 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA06114 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 04:27:05 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA24238; Thu, 9 Sep 93 04:26:45 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA07740 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 04:16:08 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA07736 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 04:16:06 -0400 Received: from uni-paderborn.de by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA22556 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 04:16:02 -0400 Received: from formentera.uni-paderborn.de by uni-paderborn.de with SMTP id AA17098 (5.65c8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 10:16:02 +0200 Received: by formentera.uni-paderborn.de id AA06160 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for amos-list@access.digex.com); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 10:16:00 +0200 Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 10:16:00 +0200 From: Tjark Kalow Message-Id: <199309090816.AA06160@formentera.uni-paderborn.de> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: AMAL + plotting In-Reply-To: <199309071821.AA25502@access.digex.net> References: <199309071821.AA25502@access.digex.net> Status: O Hello Andrew, On , September 7, 93 you wrote about the subject 'Re: AMAL + plotting': > It depends how good the compiler is. If it's good enough (which we can > hope), then AMAL and standard AMOS instructions will run at the same speed. > AMAL does have the advantage of being interrupt driven, but it's a lot easier > to write code in AMOS than in AMAL. It also depends on the complexity of the > program; a (relatively) simple program probably would not need AMAL. > > --Andy Church > Agreed! You got me in there... Greetings, Tjark -- This is a typical case, whom we shall refer to as Mr. A, although his real name is this: +----------------------------------------------------------------+ Name: Tjark Kalow E-Mail: tjark@uni-paderborn.de Address: Thorenknick 6 33100 Paderborn Country: Germany Tel.: 0 52 52 / 39 12 (phone answering system) Computer: AMIGA 500 KS1.2 1MB w. 2 drives Occupation: Student +----------------------------------------------------------------+ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 9 04:47:07 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA27336 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 04:47:02 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA25399; Thu, 9 Sep 93 04:46:44 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA07758 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 04:28:44 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA07753 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 04:28:41 -0400 Received: from uni-paderborn.de by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA07884 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 04:28:36 -0400 Received: from formentera.uni-paderborn.de by uni-paderborn.de with SMTP id AA17162 (5.65c8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 10:26:30 +0200 Received: by formentera.uni-paderborn.de id AA06399 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for amos-list@access.digex.com); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 10:26:28 +0200 Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 10:26:28 +0200 From: Tjark Kalow Message-Id: <199309090826.AA06399@formentera.uni-paderborn.de> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: RE: AMAL + plotting In-Reply-To: <9309080656.memo.85369@BIX.com> References: <199309071327.AA05115@wembley.uni-paderborn.de> <9309080656.memo.85369@BIX.com> Status: O Hello sfmcnally, On Wed, September 08, 1993 you wrote about the subject 'RE: AMAL + plotting': > Well, if you want to have more than 16 bobs Etc. you can't use Amal's great > interupts. ;) > Right. > Allso, Amal in a compiled prog isn't any faster, as Amal parts are pre compiled > even in uncompiled amos. > Right. > With all the flexability running bobs from Amos gives you, Amal isn't really > needed. Don't you think that AMAL is more flexible than the STOS-like AMOS-commands? > (Just take my game enemy/bullet AI routines, they could NEVER be done in Amal, > and even if they could, I wouldn';t want to TRY!) > Would like to seeit. Is it completed already? Will you mail it to the list (as long it's not too much code)? > But, if Amal works for you, go ahead and use it. :) Am I the only one for whom AMAL works? Greetings, Tjark PS: Seumas, you always send the mail to me and a copy to the list. This is not necessary, as I get all mail sent to the list. Like that, I always get your mail twice! -- This is a typical case, whom we shall refer to as Mr. A, although his real name is this: +----------------------------------------------------------------+ Name: Tjark Kalow E-Mail: tjark@uni-paderborn.de Address: Thorenknick 6 33100 Paderborn Country: Germany Tel.: 0 52 52 / 39 12 (phone answering system) Computer: AMIGA 500 KS1.2 1MB w. 2 drives Occupation: Student +----------------------------------------------------------------+ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 9 05:03:16 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA11507 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 05:03:11 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA26057; Thu, 9 Sep 93 05:02:55 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA07767 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 04:44:19 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA07763 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 04:44:17 -0400 Received: from bos1b.delphi.com (delphi.com) by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA24906 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 04:44:15 -0400 Received: from bix.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.2-11 #4520) id <01H2QD2GR15C90PVF3@delphi.com>; Thu, 9 Sep 1993 04:43:31 EDT Received: by bix.com (CoSy3.31.1.29) id <9309090430.memo.87433@BIX.com>; Thu, 9 Sep 1993 04:30:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1993 04:30:48 -0400 (EDT) From: sfmcnally@BIX.com Subject: RE: Return Values In-Reply-To: <01H2PGM2JAHK000HMD@FULLERTON.EDU> To: ROLAND ACTON Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: <9309090430.memo.87433@BIX.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Cosy-To: ROLAND ACTON X-Cosy-Cc: amos-list@access.digex.com Status: O Well, the Dreg() and Areg() commands I think do affect the ACTUAL registers IN the CPU, so if all you have to do is set Dreg(0), I geuss it should work. Try it anyways! :) Seumas From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 9 05:04:39 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA12400 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 05:04:34 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA26131; Thu, 9 Sep 93 05:04:17 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA07773 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 04:45:03 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA07769 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 04:45:01 -0400 Received: from bos1a.delphi.com (delphi.com) by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA25552 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 04:45:00 -0400 Received: from bix.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.2-11 #4520) id <01H2QD38BOSW90PVF3@delphi.com>; Thu, 9 Sep 1993 04:44:08 EDT Received: by bix.com (CoSy3.31.1.29) id <9309090436.memo.87437@BIX.com>; Thu, 9 Sep 1993 04:36:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1993 04:36:03 -0400 (EDT) From: sfmcnally@BIX.com Subject: Suggestion To: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: <9309090436.memo.87437@BIX.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Cosy-To: amos-list@access.digex.com Status: O Just a suggestion for this list, maybe it could be general practice to mention weather a prog is Creator or Pro before sending it to the list or asking for someone to bug test it? I was sent a Pro prog once, and allmost sent a Pro prog again. (And of course, I don't have Pro) It would just be nice. Thanks. Seumas From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 9 05:32:05 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA01986 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 05:32:02 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA27357; Thu, 9 Sep 93 05:31:45 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA08109 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 05:17:44 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA08105 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 05:17:42 -0400 Received: from mailgate.ericsson.se by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA21396 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 05:17:32 -0400 Received: from eua.ericsson.se by mailgate.ericsson.se (4.1/SMI-4.1-MAILGATE1.14) id AA28813; Thu, 9 Sep 93 11:17:23 +0200 Received: from ms.eua.ericsson.se by eua.ericsson.se (4.1/EUA-2.1) id AA02171; Thu, 9 Sep 93 11:17:22 +0200 Received: from euax1i6c18.eua.ericsson.se by ms.eua.ericsson.se (4.1/MS-2.1) id AA28228; Thu, 9 Sep 93 11:17:21 +0200 From: Per.Lundholm@eua.ericsson.se (Per Lundholm) Received: by euax1i6c18.eua.ericsson.se (4.1/client-1.3) id AA19337; Thu, 9 Sep 93 11:17:20 +0200 Date: Thu, 9 Sep 93 11:17:20 +0200 Message-Id: <9309090917.AA19337@euax1i6c18.eua.ericsson.se> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Global Strings (fwd) Status: RO > > C also has a goto! > > Sorry, I didn't know that. But what is its recommended use: Only > for error handling, like PASCAL, or is it used commonly? > I've been programming C and C++ for more than 6 years and I've never (well, memory serves) used a goto statement. First there was spaghetti programming with gotos all over the code, then came structured programming with procedures with local variables and now we have object-oriented programming with data and procedures at the same place. Per Lundholm From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 9 05:42:03 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA09780 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 05:42:01 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA27586; Thu, 9 Sep 93 05:41:45 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA08127 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 05:36:56 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA08123 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 05:36:54 -0400 Received: from sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA05776 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 05:36:52 -0400 Received: from mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au (maverick@mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au [128.184.102.1]) by sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au (8.5/1.2) with SMTP id TAA11356; Thu, 9 Sep 1993 19:36:40 +1000 Received: by mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au (4.1/client-1.3) id AA16813; Thu, 9 Sep 93 19:36:36 EST Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 19:35:50 +1000 (EST) From: Scott Southurst Subject: RE: AMAL + plotting To: LIST AMOS In-Reply-To: <9309080656.memo.85369@BIX.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO > Well, if you want to have more than 16 bobs Etc. you can't use Amal's great > interupts. ;) Isn't there a command by the name "Synchro Off" which stops the limit on the number of Bobs you can use?? ||\ *********************************************** ./~ \ * Scott Southurst (maverick@deakin.edu.au) * ~~\ \ * Deakin University, Warrnambool, Australia * // \ * Aquatic Biology/Computer Programming * | \___/| * A500 - 1084s - 1meg - AMOS 1.34 - AMOS 3d * /~/~~ ___/ * Compiler - AND LOVING IT!! (Soon A1200??) * ~~~~~~~~ *********************************************** From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 9 05:51:58 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA17517 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 05:51:54 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA28157; Thu, 9 Sep 93 05:51:34 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA08142 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 05:47:00 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA08138 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 05:46:58 -0400 Received: from sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA13819 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 05:46:56 -0400 Received: from mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au (maverick@mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au [128.184.102.1]) by sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au (8.5/1.2) with SMTP id TAA12699; Thu, 9 Sep 1993 19:46:47 +1000 Received: by mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au (4.1/client-1.3) id AA17212; Thu, 9 Sep 93 19:46:41 EST Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 19:44:13 +1000 (EST) From: Scott Southurst Subject: Re: Extension programming etc. To: LIST AMOS In-Reply-To: <199309090125.AA04756@access.digex.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO > In case you're interested, there's an assembler (A68k) on one of the Fred > Fish disks. It handles most of the "standard" directives, I think. (I don't Thanks for the tips. I have the A68K compiler and it didn't work. It also did not like the "Non-standard" directives. Ill give your ideas a go. Does anyone know if it would be possible to write an extension using AMOS and the compiler (I doubt it is possible but it is a thought). ||\ *********************************************** ./~ \ * Scott Southurst (maverick@deakin.edu.au) * ~~\ \ * Deakin University, Warrnambool, Australia * // \ * Aquatic Biology/Computer Programming * | \___/| * A500 - 1084s - 1meg - AMOS 1.34 - AMOS 3d * /~/~~ ___/ * Compiler - AND LOVING IT!! (Soon A1200??) * ~~~~~~~~ *********************************************** From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 9 06:02:01 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA23895 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 06:01:57 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA28699; Thu, 9 Sep 93 06:01:40 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA08149 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 05:50:43 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA08145 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 05:50:41 -0400 Received: from sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA16685 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 05:50:38 -0400 Received: from mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au (maverick@mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au [128.184.102.1]) by sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au (8.5/1.2) with SMTP id TAA13415; Thu, 9 Sep 1993 19:50:35 +1000 Received: by mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au (4.1/client-1.3) id AA17345; Thu, 9 Sep 93 19:50:32 EST Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 19:48:34 +1000 (EST) From: Scott Southurst Subject: Re: AMAL usage. To: LIST AMOS Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO There is a good games writing group over here somewhere (I think they made the PD 1942) who once said in a newsletter that an entire game could be written in AMAL _BUT_ it is totally unecessary. Amal is good for the "SPLASHING of BIG BOBS etc". (Not that I use it). ||\ *********************************************** ./~ \ * Scott Southurst (maverick@deakin.edu.au) * ~~\ \ * Deakin University, Warrnambool, Australia * // \ * Aquatic Biology/Computer Programming * | \___/| * A500 - 1084s - 1meg - AMOS 1.34 - AMOS 3d * /~/~~ ___/ * Compiler - AND LOVING IT!! (Soon A1200??) * ~~~~~~~~ *********************************************** From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 9 06:11:34 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA01364 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 06:11:33 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA29329; Thu, 9 Sep 93 06:11:14 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA08188 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 05:58:28 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA08184 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 05:58:25 -0400 Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA21703 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 05:58:21 -0400 Via: uk.ac.rutherford.informatics; Thu, 9 Sep 1993 10:58:00 +0100 Received: from pecan by inf.rl.ac.uk; Thu, 9 Sep 93 10:57:50 BST Date: Thu, 9 Sep 93 10:55:00 BST From: mas@inf.rl.ac.uk Message-Id: <9309090955.AA02410@pecan> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: RE: AMAL + plotting Status: RO > > Well, if you want to have more than 16 bobs Etc. you can't use Amal's great > > interupts. ;) ^^^^^^^^^ > Isn't there a command by the name "Synchro Off" which stops the limit on > the number of Bobs you can use?? Yes there is, and it does allow you to use more bobs with Amal. However, it is NOT under interrupts any more. It disables the automatic calling of AMAL during the VBL synchronised interrupt. Hence the command "Synchro Off"... Martin. From "PRL6A::UKRBAKE"@prl.philips.co.uk Thu Sep 9 05:30:49 1993 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA00976 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 05:30:39 -0400 Received: from relay1.pipex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA08115 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 05:30:36 -0400 Received: from pipex.net by relay1.pipex.net with SMTP (PP) id <04579-2@relay1.pipex.net>; Thu, 9 Sep 1993 10:30:09 +0100 Received: from prlhp1.prl.philips.co.uk by relay2.pipex.net with SMTP (PP) id <26613-0@relay2.pipex.net>; Thu, 9 Sep 1993 10:29:32 +0100 Received: from prlvax6 by prlhp1.prl.philips.co.uk; Thu, 9 Sep 93 10:23:13 bst Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 10:32:47 GMT From: "PRL6A::UKRBAKE"@prl.philips.co.uk (ukrbake@prl.philips.co.uk) Message-Id: <930909103247.27000433@prl.philips.co.uk> Subject: RE: AMAL + plotting To: amos-request@svcs1.digex.net X-Vmsmail-To: prl6::SMTP%"amos-request@svcs1.digex.net" Status: RO on 9-sep-1993 Tjark wrote: >Am I the only one for whom AMAL works? Not at all! I use AMAL plenty, even though it is not very flexible, it is still useful for moving lots of objects at once. I have an amal routine that bounces balls (or other bobs / sprites) around the screen. It works well, and is still flexible. Also, I don't think that the 16 program limit is too bad.. after all, you only have to stick a SYNCHRO command in your main loop, it's not too difficult, is it? AMAL is also useful because you can remove such mundane tasks as jostick reading from your main program, and also do a fair ammount of collision detection with it (but not detecting zones. Damn!) I think that AMAL is the only part of Amos wich runs at a tolerable speed, and it's the only thing which stops me from buying Blitz Basic or a cheapo C compiler....... Come on, what else do you lot use amal for? And does anyone use to to control addresses.. you know, that bit in the manual where it says you can assign an amal channel to a memory address, does anyone have a use for that? Enough waffling, I should get some work done...... Mark PS. Can you get a discount off Amos Pro if you have the original... like sending off the front page of the manual as proof, or something.. anyone? From "PRL6A::UKRBAKE"@prl.philips.co.uk Thu Sep 9 06:41:06 1993 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA28436 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 06:41:03 -0400 Received: from relay1.pipex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA08263 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 06:41:00 -0400 Received: from pipex.net by relay1.pipex.net with SMTP (PP) id <05903-1@relay1.pipex.net>; Thu, 9 Sep 1993 11:40:33 +0100 Received: from prlhp1.prl.philips.co.uk by relay2.pipex.net with SMTP (PP) id <29489-0@relay2.pipex.net>; Thu, 9 Sep 1993 11:40:24 +0100 Received: from prlvax6 by prlhp1.prl.philips.co.uk; Thu, 9 Sep 93 11:34:44 bst Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 11:44:20 GMT From: "PRL6A::UKRBAKE"@prl.philips.co.uk (ukrbake@prl.philips.co.uk) Message-Id: <930909114420.2700044c@prl.philips.co.uk> Subject: Re: Extension programming etc. To: amos-request@svcs1.digex.net X-Vmsmail-To: prl6::SMTP%"amos-request@svcs1.digex.net" Status: RO >Does anyone know if it would be possible to write an extension using AMOS >and the compiler (I doubt it is possible but it is a thought). I remember reading something in the back of the Compiler's manual about it including an assembler with it... Oh, by the way.. ||\ ./~ \ <--------Scott, what is this? ~~\ \ my imaginary powers are at a low ebb // \ this morning..... | \___/| /~/~~ ___/ ~~~~~~~~ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 9 08:52:24 1993 Received: from po.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA04094 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 08:52:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from svcs1.digex.net by po.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.9.3) id AA23609; Thu, 9 Sep 93 08:52:06 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA08367 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 07:46:26 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA08363 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 07:46:25 -0400 Received: by access.digex.net id AA22351 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list@access.digex.com); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 07:46:24 -0400 From: Michael 'AMOS' Cox Message-Id: <199309091146.AA22351@access.digex.net> Subject: Re: AMAL + plotting To: amos-list@access.digex.net (AMOS Mailing List) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 07:46:23 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <199309090826.AA06399@formentera.uni-paderborn.de> from "Tjark Kalow" at Sep 9, 93 10:26:28 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 591 Status: RO >Don't you think that AMAL is more flexible than the STOS-like >AMOS-commands? Definitely! >Am I the only one for whom AMAL works? AMAL works great for me! I am still learning it, though. I did write a simple car racing game with it. All AMOS did was make noises and print "YOU'RE DEAD!" on the screen. Mike -- Michael Cox Work: mcox@access.digex.com Amiga Conquers, AMOS Rules! Play: aj639@cleveland.freenet.edu This space intentionally left blank Fido: 1:109/456.0 The text above is my own and all that other disclaimer junk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 9 08:56:34 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA05601 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 08:56:29 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA04646; Thu, 9 Sep 93 08:31:53 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net ) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA08409 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 08:05:33 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA08405 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 08:05:32 -0400 Received: by access.digex.net id AA08033 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list@access.digex.com); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 08:05:28 -0400 From: Michael 'AMOS' Cox Message-Id: <199309091205.AA08033@access.digex.net> Subject: Problem writing an accessory To: amos-list@access.digex.net (AMOS Mailing List) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 08:05:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1177 Status: RO A friend is having a problem and here is what he says: I have a ? in regards to the AMOSPro Equates. Have you messed with the CALL/ASK EDITOR commands ? I have been messing with them a bit and having troubles trying to use the following: Call Editor Equ("AEd_Search"),0,A$ A$=being the text to search for. I am using this within a program as an accessory, but can't get it to search for the text correctly. Do you know the solution or anyone else that can help me as far as using the CALL/ASK EDITOR commands. I am also looking for tutorials on the AMOS Interface and Resouce for creating buttons, requesters, ect. I have been messing a bit with it and have figured out how to use it and get it working, but not mastered or fully understand it. I have the demos that came with the AMOSPro but they don't explain all that much/good. Any HELP will be appreciated greatly, Thanx ! Anyone?? Mike -- Michael Cox Work: mcox@access.digex.com Amiga Conquers, AMOS Rules! Play: aj639@cleveland.freenet.edu This space intentionally left blank Fido: 1:109/456.0 The text above is my own and all that other disclaimer junk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 9 08:44:52 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA00848 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 08:44:49 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA06278; Thu, 9 Sep 93 08:44:24 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA08502 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 08:28:18 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA08498 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 08:28:15 -0400 Received: from kruuna.Helsinki.FI by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA22424 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 08:28:12 -0400 Received: from plootu.Helsinki.FI by kruuna.helsinki.fi with SMTP id AA24594 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 15:28:09 +0300 Received: by plootu.helsinki.fi (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28445; Thu, 9 Sep 93 15:28:08 +0300 From: mmmakela@cc.helsinki.fi (Mikko Makela) Message-Id: <9309091228.AA28445@plootu.helsinki.fi> Subject: Re: AMAL + plotting To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 15:28:07 +0300 (EET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 340 Status: RO Well, I used AMAL in my game Billiard Games to make ball (de)accelleration better than I managed without it. It was the "Move" command of AMAL, which made it to work, when used several times with different amount of steps for same length of movement. If somebody wants to take look at that piece of code, I can mail it to him/her. Mikko From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 9 08:52:23 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA04090 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 08:52:21 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA07846; Thu, 9 Sep 93 08:52:05 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA08533 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 08:41:51 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA08529 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 08:41:47 -0400 Received: from kruuna.Helsinki.FI by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA29369 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 08:41:37 -0400 Received: from plootu.Helsinki.FI by kruuna.helsinki.fi with SMTP id AA26303 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 15:41:34 +0300 Received: by plootu.helsinki.fi (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00644; Thu, 9 Sep 93 15:41:33 +0300 From: mmmakela@cc.helsinki.fi (Mikko Makela) Message-Id: <9309091241.AA00644@plootu.helsinki.fi> Subject: Shareware programming To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 15:41:33 +0300 (EET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 855 Status: RO Is here anybody else in this list but me, who have tried shareware programming ? I tried it (as many of you may know) with Billiard Games, with no success at all. Couple of people send me mail that it's good, some said it wasn't working at all on his machine, but _nobody_ registered. I know I made at least two errors: -codeword system is no good -I should have called it version 1.0, instead of 0.9 Now I have changed the codeword system so, that if somebody registers, he has to type codenumber only once, and program will make the file "Billiard.reg" to disk, so he doesn't have to type it never again. But before I'll release version 1.0, I would like to have some critic from you: What do you think of the game ? Is it any good at all ? What should be added to make it more playable, or is there anything to do ? Go ahead, be cruel... Mikko From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 9 08:32:26 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA24924 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 08:32:23 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA03591; Thu, 9 Sep 93 07:43:30 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA08351 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 07:27:04 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA08347 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 07:27:02 -0400 Received: from DARWIN.NTU.EDU.AU by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA04431 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 07:26:59 -0400 Received: from dme.nt.gov.au ([155.205.2.1]) by DARWIN.NTU.EDU.AU with SMTP; Thu, 9 Sep 1993 20:57:36 GMT Received: from adit.dme by dme.nt.gov.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02023; Thu, 9 Sep 93 20:55:23 CST Received: by adit.dme (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05872; Thu, 9 Sep 93 20:57:38 CST From: pawacsb@adit.dme.nt.gov.au (PAWA CSB Adam Cinzio 827065 ) Message-Id: <9309091127.AA05872@adit.dme> Subject: Re: AMAL & Serpents Game To: 95ACHURCH@vax.mbhs.edu (Andrew Church) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 93 20:57:38 CST Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net In-Reply-To: <199309071821.AA25502@access.digex.net>; from "Andrew Church" at Sep 7, 93 2:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: RO I have made extensive use of AMAL in the Serpents game. I can't see any other way to get every segment of the little slitherers to move at the speed I want (it bogs down with 4 serpents and three frogs on the screen; that's up to 43 bobs; its JUST playable). By the way I'm still waiting for feedback on this little project. 'Kangaroo' Southurst is the only person I've heard from so far. In my books he's up there with 'Crocodile' Dundee :-) Jeff Lloyd From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 9 09:15:02 1993 Received: from po.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA13804 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 09:14:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from svcs1.digex.net by po.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.9.3) id AA22044; Thu, 9 Sep 93 07:55:16 -0400 from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for ) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA08361 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 07:43:57 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA08357 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 07:43:56 -0400 Received: by access.digex.net id AA19903 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list@access.digex.com); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 07:43:54 -0400 From: Michael 'AMOS' Cox Message-Id: <199309091143.AA19903@access.digex.net> Subject: Re: Global Strings\ To: amos-list@access.digex.net (AMOS Mailing List) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 07:43:54 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <199309090802.AA05839@formentera.uni-paderborn.de> from "Tjark Kalow" at Sep 9, 93 10:02:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 615 Status: RO >Sorry, I didn't know that. But what is its recommended use: Only >for error handling, like PASCAL, or is it used commonly? Well, it is RARELY used. i have only seen it used once and that was actually in a programmer's book about writing daemons!! So, I think it was just put in there because goto is in all the other languages. Mike -- Michael Cox Work: mcox@access.digex.com Amiga Conquers, AMOS Rules! Play: aj639@cleveland.freenet.edu This space intentionally left blank Fido: 1:109/456.0 The text above is my own and all that other disclaimer junk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 9 09:13:16 1993 Received: from po.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA13127 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 09:13:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from svcs1.digex.net by po.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.9.3) id AA27649; Thu, 9 Sep 93 09:12:42 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA08403 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 08:01:50 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA08399 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 08:01:48 -0400 Received: by access.digex.net id AA05732 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list@access.digex.com); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 08:01:37 -0400 From: Michael 'AMOS' Cox Message-Id: <199309091201.AA05732@access.digex.net> Subject: Re: Extension programming etc. To: amos-list@access.digex.net (AMOS Mailing List) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 08:01:37 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <930909114420.2700044c@prl.philips.co.uk> from "ukrbake@prl.philips.co.uk" at Sep 9, 93 11:44:20 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 788 Status: RO >I remember reading something in the back of the Compiler's manual about it >including an assembler with it... Yes, the compiler came with an assembler but it is not too powerful. You need to write your extensions in assembler. > ||\ > ./~ \ <--------Scott, what is this? > ~~\ \ my imaginary powers are at a low ebb > // \ this morning..... > | \___/| > /~/~~ ___/ > ~~~~~~~~ It's a kangaroo, mate! Mike -- Michael Cox Work: mcox@access.digex.com Amiga Conquers, AMOS Rules! Play: aj639@cleveland.freenet.edu This space intentionally left blank Fido: 1:109/456.0 The text above is my own and all that other disclaimer junk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 9 09:15:55 1993 Received: from po.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA14418 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 09:15:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from svcs1.digex.net by po.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.9.3) id AA22379; Thu, 9 Sep 93 08:23:43 -0400 from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for ) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA08415 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 08:07:08 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA08411 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 08:07:07 -0400 Received: by access.digex.net id AA09017 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list@access.digex.com); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 08:07:03 -0400 From: Michael 'AMOS' Cox Message-Id: <199309091207.AA09017@access.digex.net> Subject: AMAL + Plotting To: amos-list@access.digex.net (AMOS Mailing List) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 08:07:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 575 Status: RO >PS. Can you get a discount off Amos Pro if you have the original... like >sending off the front page of the manual as proof, or something.. anyone? You should be able to as that is what we do here in the USA with SeaScape software, who is the new Europress distributor for AMOS products. Mike --- Michael Cox Work: mcox@access.digex.com Amiga Conquers, AMOS Rules! Play: aj639@cleveland.freenet.edu This space intentionally left blank Fido: 1:109/456.0 The text above is my own and all that other disclaimer junk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 9 10:28:43 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA01308 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 10:28:40 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA24255; Thu, 9 Sep 93 10:26:48 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA08765 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 10:10:14 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA08761 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 10:10:12 -0400 Received: from sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA28900 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 10:10:09 -0400 Received: from mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au (maverick@mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au [128.184.102.1]) by sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au (8.5/1.2) with SMTP id AAA06084; Fri, 10 Sep 1993 00:10:01 +1000 Received: by mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au (4.1/client-1.3) id AA02605; Fri, 10 Sep 93 00:09:55 EST Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1993 00:08:49 +1000 (EST) From: Scott Southurst Subject: MY KANGAROO!! To: LIST AMOS Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO YEAH YEAH YEAH!!! I know its a bit mutated Mic. (It was even more mutated when you butchered it 8) ) ||\ *********************************************** ./~ \ * Scott Southurst (maverick@deakin.edu.au) * ~~\ \ * Deakin University, Warrnambool, Australia * // \ * Aquatic Biology/Computer Programming * | \___/| * A500 - 1084s - 1meg - AMOS 1.34 - AMOS 3d * /~/~~ ___/ * Compiler - AND LOVING IT!! (Soon A1200??) * ~~~~~~~~ *********************************************** The above is a mutant Kangaroo 8). From mart4678@mach1.wlu.ca Thu Sep 9 10:44:34 1993 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA07912 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 10:44:26 -0400 Received: from mach1.wlu.ca by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA08802 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 10:44:23 -0400 Received: by mach1.wlu.ca (5.65/1.35) id AA19395; Thu, 9 Sep 93 10:43:46 -0400 From: mart4678@mach1.wlu.ca (Phil Martin u) Message-Id: <9309091443.AA19395@mach1.wlu.ca> Subject: RE: Shareware programming To: amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Date: Thu, 9 Sep 93 10:43:45 EDT In-Reply-To: <930909144826.27000492@prl.philips.co.uk>; from "ukrbake@prl.philips.co.uk" at Sep 9, 93 2:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL13] Status: RO > > I'm getting ready to upload a game of mine as shareware, does anyone have any > hints/tips on what to do to make it easier for people, like: > should I use lha (in which case you can put it onto a HD) > or dms (which gives you a bootable disc instantly) A nice way to do it is to use DMS, but include an installer script on the floppy that is produced. This way, people with and without HD's are fairly easily accomodated. > Now this is going to be compiled (obviously) but do you think I should put the > source in too - or is that going to be trouble?? I think you should leave the source out, and send it out to people who register. > > What do you think? > Ta, > Mark > Phil Martin. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 9 11:05:07 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA16227 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 11:05:06 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA02041; Thu, 9 Sep 93 11:04:42 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA08810 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 10:48:27 -0400 Received: from mach1.wlu.ca by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA08806 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 10:48:25 -0400 Received: by mach1.wlu.ca (5.65/1.35) id AA20384; Thu, 9 Sep 93 10:47:48 -0400 From: mart4678@mach1.wlu.ca (Phil Martin u) Message-Id: <9309091447.AA20384@mach1.wlu.ca> Subject: Programs To: amos-list@svcs1.digex.net (AMOS Mail List) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 93 10:47:47 EDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL13] Status: RO Hi. I really, _really_ want to see stuff that other people have written. If you have completed something, or just developed an effect that you think is neat & you'd like to share, PLEASE mail it to me, or tell me where it is on aminet. I have released one program, it is called Curiosity.lzh, and is available on aminet in the anims directory. Please check it out and let me know what you think. Phil Martin, mart4678@mach1.wlu.ca From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 9 10:08:50 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA28779 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 10:08:48 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA21130; Thu, 9 Sep 93 10:08:30 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA08728 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 09:45:23 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA08724 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 09:45:21 -0400 Received: from relay1.pipex.net by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA23685 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 09:45:19 -0400 Received: from pipex.net by relay1.pipex.net with SMTP (PP) id <09027-4@relay1.pipex.net>; Thu, 9 Sep 1993 14:44:54 +0100 Received: from prlhp1.prl.philips.co.uk by relay2.pipex.net with SMTP (PP) id <07118-0@relay2.pipex.net>; Thu, 9 Sep 1993 14:44:43 +0100 Received: from prlvax6 by prlhp1.prl.philips.co.uk; Thu, 9 Sep 93 14:38:48 bst Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 14:48:26 GMT From: "PRL6A::UKRBAKE"@prl.philips.co.uk (ukrbake@prl.philips.co.uk) Message-Id: <930909144826.27000492@prl.philips.co.uk> Subject: RE: Shareware programming To: amos-list@access.digex.net X-Vmsmail-To: prl6::SMTP%"amos-list@access.digex.net" Status: RO I'm getting ready to upload a game of mine as shareware, does anyone have any hints/tips on what to do to make it easier for people, like: should I use lha (in which case you can put it onto a HD) or dms (which gives you a bootable disc instantly) Now this is going to be compiled (obviously) but do you think I should put the source in too - or is that going to be trouble?? What do you think? Ta, Mark From thanatos@titan.ucs.umass.edu Thu Sep 9 10:57:29 1993 Received: from pobox.ucs.umass.edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA13363 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 10:57:24 -0400 Received: from titan.ucs.umass.edu (twain.ucs.umass.edu) by pobox.ucs.umass.edu (PMDF V4.2-11 #2573) id <01H2QPXLQX1C00BKVC@pobox.ucs.umass.edu>; Thu, 9 Sep 1993 10:52:13 -0400 Received: by titan.ucs.umass.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA16618; Thu, 9 Sep 1993 10:52:09 -0400 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1993 10:52:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Matt Schmill Subject: Re: C compiler needed In-Reply-To: <199309082259.AA15862@access.digex.net> from "Michael 'AMOS' Cox" at Sep 8, 93 06:59:49 pm To: mcox@access.digex.net (Michael 'AMOS' Cox) Message-Id: <9309091452.AA16618@titan.ucs.umass.edu> X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Length: 59 Status: RO Sorry. I can't afford $200 for a C compiler. thanks, Matt From czar1@manta.nosc.mil Thu Sep 9 11:40:32 1993 Received: from manta.nosc.mil by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA02868 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 11:40:27 -0400 Received: by manta.nosc.mil (5.65/1.34) id AA17905; Thu, 9 Sep 93 08:40:23 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 Sep 93 08:40:23 -0700 From: czar1@manta.nosc.mil (Scott C. Czarcinski) Message-Id: <9309091540.AA17905@manta.nosc.mil> To: mcox@access.digex.net Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Problem writing an accessory In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu Sep 9 05:39:05 1993 Status: RO ------- Mike, I might actually be finally able to contribute!!! I am using the INTERFACE stuff Extensivly in my Predictions program. I pretty much have gone through the rough stuff, and could probally (NEVER know for 100%) field any questions you or anyone else has... (Don't have any examples off-hand - but might be able to rip something out of my code and post to list as needed.) I'm not big on requesters & sliders, but have done alot with buttons & such... scott Czarcinski czar1@manta.nosc.mil ------- From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 9 09:12:40 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA12851 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 09:12:37 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA11882; Thu, 9 Sep 93 09:11:33 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA08544 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 08:55:59 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA08540 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 08:55:56 -0400 Received: from relay1.pipex.net by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA05327 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 08:55:48 -0400 Received: from pipex.net by relay1.pipex.net with SMTP (PP) id <08057-0@relay1.pipex.net>; Thu, 9 Sep 1993 13:47:39 +0100 Received: from prlhp1.prl.philips.co.uk by relay2.pipex.net with SMTP (PP) id <04745-0@relay2.pipex.net>; Thu, 9 Sep 1993 13:47:23 +0100 Received: from prlvax6 by prlhp1.prl.philips.co.uk; Thu, 9 Sep 93 13:41:42 bst Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 13:51:19 GMT From: "PRL6A::UKRBAKE"@prl.philips.co.uk (ukrbake@prl.philips.co.uk) Message-Id: <930909135119.2700047b@prl.philips.co.uk> Subject: Re: AMAL & Serpents Game To: amos-list@access.digex.net X-Vmsmail-To: prl6::SMTP%"amos-list@access.digex.net" Status: RO Hey, Jeff... What Serpents game?? Sounds good, where can I get my hands on it... gimmie, gimmie, gimmie..... But seriously, folks.. I use AMAL lots. It's about the only bit of Amos that runs fast enough, about the only thing that stops me from buying Blitz Basic... I use it mostly for handling my joystick + collision detection routines, it's also handy for shots.. the stuff that would slow down your main program. Using more than 16 is easy, I don't mind putting in a Synchro function before my wait vbl... There's just one problem with AMAL... no Zone checking functions, thus making any complex collision-detection impossible, and relegated to the main program. For example, in a game that I'm writing, you drive around in tanks shooting each other, picking up bonuses and avoiding mines... in this I use AMAL for: * joystick control of tanks * collision detection for mines * timing for mines * shot control - collision into mines + tanks * control of images for bobs + sprites Because of lack of Zones in AMAL, I have to do this lot in main prog: * collision detection for walls - i. tank / wall ii. shot / wall iii. shot / bonus iv. shot / wall that becomes a bonus v. tank / bonus (see below) * picking up bonuses i. changing weapons i. shields - activation + timing * all sound fx.. (amal progs set event flags which are read by a routine) Now if I had PROPER collision detect in AMAL, I could have nearly the whole game running it it, but at the moment it has to be compiled or it slows down with lots of shots + mines on-screen if it's interpreted. oh, well.... PS. Has anyone used the assembler that comes with the compiler, I had a look in the manual the other day, but there's only 1 page on it.. is it any good? Mark Baker From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 9 12:07:35 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA13049 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 12:07:33 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA13896; Thu, 9 Sep 93 12:06:24 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA09229 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 11:47:49 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA09225 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 11:47:48 -0400 Received: by access.digex.net id AA05694 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list@access.digex.com); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 11:47:43 -0400 From: Michael 'AMOS' Cox Message-Id: <199309091547.AA05694@access.digex.net> Subject: Re: Shareware programming To: amos-list@access.digex.net (AMOS Mailing List) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 11:47:43 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <9309091443.AA19395@mach1.wlu.ca> from "Phil Martin u" at Sep 9, 93 10:43:45 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 448 Status: RO >A nice way to do it is to use DMS, but include an installer script on the I think DMS has a lot of problems, so either use ZOOM if you need the whole disk or LHA. Mike -- Michael Cox Work: mcox@access.digex.com Amiga Conquers, AMOS Rules! Play: aj639@cleveland.freenet.edu This space intentionally left blank Fido: 1:109/456.0 The text above is my own and all that other disclaimer junk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 9 12:37:53 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA23829 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 12:37:51 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA18353; Thu, 9 Sep 93 12:37:00 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA09351 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 12:22:30 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA09347 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 12:22:28 -0400 Received: from vax.mbhs.edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA18110 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 12:22:23 -0400 Message-Id: <199309091622.AA18110@access.digex.net> Date: 9 Sep 93 12:21:00 EST From: "Andrew Church" <95ACHURCH@vax.mbhs.edu> Subject: Re: Return Values To: "amos-list" Status: RO >Well, the Dreg() and Areg() commands I think do affect the ACTUAL registers >IN the CPU, so if all you have to do is set Dreg(0), I geuss it should work. >Try it anyways! :) I'd be interested to hear the outcome of the experiment, but I don't think it'll work, for the following reason: I have an assembly procedure in one of my programs that takes a bunch of parameters. To save time, I load a lot of the registers at the beginning of the program, and then only load the ones that change each time I call. This wouldn't work if the Dreg()/Areg() arrays held the current values of the registers, as AMOS changes the registers as it goes. --Andy Church From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 9 15:17:47 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA26608 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 15:17:39 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA15950; Thu, 9 Sep 93 15:16:31 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA10430 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 15:05:56 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA10426 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 15:05:54 -0400 Received: from mail.lth.se (nic.lth.se) by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA21885 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 15:05:52 -0400 Received: from dit.lth.se by mail.lth.se with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0oarJU-000MUkC; Thu, 9 Sep 93 21:05 MET DST Received: from hera.dit.lth.se by dit.lth.se (4.1/DIt/gate BR ); Thu, 9 Sep 93 21:06:16 +0200 (MET) Received: from loopback by hera.dit.lth.se (4.1/); Thu, 9 Sep 93 21:02:49 +0200 (MET) Message-Id: <9309091902.AA12679@hera.dit.lth.se> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Amos AmigaGuide document Date: Thu, 09 Sep 93 21:02:44 +0200 From: hakan@hera.dit.lth.se Status: RO Hi, I have assigned my selfe to this work! And now I wonder what exactly it is you guys want? I am still waiting for my Amiga to return home, so I have to wait some more before I can get going :-( But I am planing to start with taking the helpacc.lha in aminet as a start (is the creater out there? can you in that case alow me to use it for this prupose?). It contains the Amos 1.3's commands with a short description and an exapmple! (Can the creater maby give a better description?). What to do with it is to convert it to Guide format, add the side numers, and then add all other extentions commands, hints, tips, bugs, what ever I can find :-) Then maby anyone owning Pro can make the pro commands and whats new in pro and so on. What do you think about this? Any other suggestions? I still need a Amiga Guide editor, so if anybody know about any one please tell me where to find it :-) / /\ *-------------------------------------* / / \ | Hakan Ardo (hakan@hera.dit.lth.se) | /----/----\ | Programing C, XView and Amos | / / \ | Running them all Sparc, Amiga, (Pc) | / / \ *-------------------------------------* Always interested in hardware hacks, 3D graphics, animations... Still searching for a SANA-II PPP driver, any suggestions? From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 9 14:46:30 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA14083 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 14:46:21 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA11825; Thu, 9 Sep 93 14:45:28 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA10197 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 14:30:55 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA10193 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 14:30:54 -0400 Received: from vax.mbhs.edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA08016 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 14:30:50 -0400 Message-Id: <199309091830.AA08016@access.digex.net> Date: 9 Sep 93 14:21:00 EST From: "Andrew Church" <95ACHURCH@vax.mbhs.edu> Subject: Re: Global Strings To: "amos-list" Status: RO >> C also has a goto! > > Sorry, I didn't know that. But what is its recommended use: Only > for error handling, like PASCAL, or is it used commonly? Anyone who does use it commonly should be thrown out on their doorstep. :-) Its only real use is for error handling. But enough of C! This is the AMOS list, not the C list! --Andy Church From mart4678@mach1.wlu.ca Thu Sep 9 18:01:06 1993 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA15254 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 18:00:55 -0400 Received: from mach1.wlu.ca by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA11165 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 9 Sep 1993 18:00:53 -0400 Received: by mach1.wlu.ca (5.65/1.35) id AA11438; Thu, 9 Sep 93 17:59:30 -0400 From: mart4678@mach1.wlu.ca (Phil Martin u) Message-Id: <9309092159.AA11438@mach1.wlu.ca> Subject: DMS problems? To: amos-request@svcs1.digex.net (Michael 'AMOS' Cox) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 93 17:59:29 EDT In-Reply-To: <199309091547.AA05694@access.digex.net>; from "Michael 'AMOS' Cox" at Sep 9, 93 11:47 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL13] Status: RO > > >A nice way to do it is to use DMS, but include an installer script on the > I think DMS has a lot of problems, so either use ZOOM if you need the > whole disk or LHA. I don't want to be argumentative, but what problems do you mean? I know that some people don't like it because it could transmit a bootblock virus intact, but as long as you use the standard 'install DF0:' bootblock there shouldn't be any complaints. Have you had probs with it corrupting your data? I use it fairly regularly, and have never had a problem. > > Mike > -- > Michael Cox Work: mcox@access.digex.com > Amiga Conquers, AMOS Rules! Play: aj639@cleveland.freenet.edu > This space intentionally left blank Fido: 1:109/456.0 > The text above is my own and all that other disclaimer junk > Phil Martin. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Sep 10 08:29:33 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA06911 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 08:29:32 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA07332; Fri, 10 Sep 93 03:25:22 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net ) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA00430 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 03:00:48 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA00426 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 03:00:46 -0400 Received: from peladon.rmit.OZ.AU by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA02428 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 03:00:43 -0400 Received: from minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU by peladon.rmit.OZ.AU with SMTP id AA00803 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 09:56:28 +1000 Received: by minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU From: s921878@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (Daniel John Lee Parnell) Message-Id: <9309092356.2151@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU> Subject: Re: Amos Assembler To: amos-list@access.digex.net (amos Amos Mailing List) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1993 09:56:36 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1013 Status: RO > PS. Has anyone used the assembler that comes with the compiler, I had a look in > the manual the other day, but there's only 1 page on it.. is it any good? > G'day! I have had a bit of a go at it, (I actually wrote my first 68000 assembler program using it which added two numbers togeter). It seems OK, but the source code has to be entered into string. I'm thinking that a better idea would be to change the program so that it is possible to use text files. I might have a go at it over the weekend. :) Also some of the directives are a bit wierd, specifically the setup stuff, it's a string like INITIALIZE VARIABLE BUFFER SPACE or something like that. That bit is annoying! Daniel Daniel Parnell - Email to s921878@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au - AMIGA 500 1 MEG Second Year Applied Physics student at R.M.I.T. Melbourne Australia. *:|() People who drink petrol shouldn't smoke. AMOS 1.34 with Compiler and 3D Squaxx Dek Thargo since prog 579 - C64 Oric Amiga Mac CCPM - Forth From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Sep 10 02:36:15 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA01293 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 02:36:14 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA05195; Fri, 10 Sep 93 02:34:38 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA00265 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 02:24:33 -0400 Received: from mailgate.ericsson.se by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA00260 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 02:24:28 -0400 Received: from eua.ericsson.se by mailgate.ericsson.se (4.1/SMI-4.1-MAILGATE1.14) id AA28740; Fri, 10 Sep 93 08:24:19 +0200 Received: from ms.eua.ericsson.se by eua.ericsson.se (4.1/EUA-2.1) id AA03385; Fri, 10 Sep 93 08:24:17 +0200 Received: from euax1i6c18.eua.ericsson.se by ms.eua.ericsson.se (4.1/MS-2.1) id AA12515; Fri, 10 Sep 93 08:24:16 +0200 From: Per.Lundholm@eua.ericsson.se (Per Lundholm) Received: by euax1i6c18.eua.ericsson.se (4.1/client-1.3) id AA00816; Fri, 10 Sep 93 08:24:16 +0200 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 93 08:24:16 +0200 Message-Id: <9309100624.AA00816@euax1i6c18.eua.ericsson.se> To: amos-list@svcs1.digex.net, mart4678@mach1.wlu.ca Subject: Re: Programs Status: RO > I have released one program, it is called Curiosity.lzh, and is available > on aminet in the anims directory. Please check it out and let me know > what you think. I can't find the dir or the prog. How reailble are the mirrors? I used one in Berlin. When did you upload? May your day be as you deserve :). Per From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Sep 10 08:51:37 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA10252 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 08:51:35 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA07178; Fri, 10 Sep 93 03:15:43 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net ) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA00475 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 03:08:27 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA00471 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 03:08:26 -0400 Received: from faw.uni-ulm.de by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA04110 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 03:08:23 -0400 Received: from sun19.faw.uni-ulm.de by faw.uni-ulm.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA16804; Fri, 10 Sep 1993 09:07:39 +0200 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1993 09:07:39 +0200 From: amthauer@faw.uni-ulm.de (Heiner Amthauer) Message-Id: <9309100707.AA16804@faw.uni-ulm.de> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: re: Serpents Game Status: RO Hi Jeff, there's one thing about the Serpents Game: The timing ! On my 040 it's fast like hell. You won't have any chance to be succesfull. The rest is ok. Nice proggy :) Go on ! greetings ------------------------------------------------------------ Heiner Amthauer email: amthauer@faw.uni-ulm.de / __ / / __ / / ___ / / / / / / / ___/ / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / ____ __/ / / / / / / / _____/ __/ _____/ __/ ______/ __/ ______/ IRC: IceMc (RaytraceMan) ------------------------------------------------------------ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Sep 10 07:59:47 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA01919 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 07:59:45 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA10280; Fri, 10 Sep 93 06:41:51 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net ) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA01077 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 06:34:12 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA01073 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 06:34:10 -0400 Received: from faw.uni-ulm.de by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA23310 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 06:33:55 -0400 Received: from sun19.faw.uni-ulm.de by faw.uni-ulm.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA21754; Fri, 10 Sep 1993 12:33:22 +0200 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1993 12:33:22 +0200 From: amthauer@faw.uni-ulm.de (Heiner Amthauer) Message-Id: <9309101033.AA21754@faw.uni-ulm.de> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Parallel Input Status: RO Hi Folks ! Does any1 out there know, how the handshake of parallel input is done with AMOSPro ?? Any help is welcome greetings ------------------------------------------------------------ Heiner Amthauer email: amthauer@faw.uni-ulm.de / __ / / __ / / ___ / / / / / / / ___/ / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / ____ __/ / / / / / / / _____/ __/ _____/ __/ ______/ __/ ______/ IRC: IceMc (RaytraceMan) ------------------------------------------------------------ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Sep 10 09:39:35 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA16679 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 09:39:31 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA11011; Fri, 10 Sep 93 07:23:48 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net ) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA01092 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 06:49:20 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA01088 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 06:49:19 -0400 Received: from bos1a.delphi.com (delphi.com) by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA24098 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 06:49:17 -0400 Received: from bix.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.2-11 #4520) id <01H2RVPYNZMO8ZE3K9@delphi.com>; Fri, 10 Sep 1993 06:48:38 EDT Received: by bix.com (CoSy3.31.1.29) id <9309100646.memo.89481@BIX.com>; Fri, 10 Sep 1993 06:46:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1993 06:46:32 -0400 (EDT) From: sfmcnally@BIX.com Subject: RE: AMAL + plotting In-Reply-To: <199309090826.AA06399@formentera.uni-paderborn.de> To: Tjark Kalow Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: <9309100646.memo.89481@BIX.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Cosy-To: Tjark Kalow X-Cosy-Cc: amos-list@access.digex.com Status: RO Well, when I "reply" to mail, it sends it to the persone I replied to, (ie, you) so I allso CC to the list, but at least it lets the persone I reply to know it was a reply to him/her. Re: STOS like commands Those commands were put in ONLY for compatanility, you really shouldn't write a new prog with them ;) Just using bobs with veriables and ifs Etc. works the best. Re: My complicated routines Heh heh, the list? Not likely. ;) It's pretty darn close to 200k of source, and the files needed alonmg with it are probly 100k at LEAST. ;) It will be released as a Demo version with a Small fee for the real thing. :) After ALL thuis work I'm not gonna just give it away. ;) Here's a basic description of what the real thing should or does have, if anyone is interested. Side view Action/strategy/simulation of helicopter combat. Apaches, Comanches, Blackhawks, and F-16s (maybe A-10s too) as air support. Enemy Mig 29s, MI 24 Hinds (gunships), SA-6s, ZSU-23s, Rapiers, SA-7 squads, trucks, T-80 MBTs, BMP-2 APCs, Fixed AA guns, Radar/Sam sites, FLak guns, Etc. For weapons, Chaingun, Rockets, Hellfire, Sidearm, Sidewinder, maybe more. Friendly M1 MBTs, M2 APCs, and Commando squads. Ground based friendly and enemy forces that Think and Fight independantly of you. Up to Two other friendlky Gunships that fly and fight with you, and indep[endant fighter air support for you to assign at the mission briefing. 4 Operations, with 20 missions each, each time you play an OP you play through 10 missions, some randomly selected and some dependant on how you did in previus missions. Day and night missions, with Rain and Thunder Storms, and verieing winds. One or two button joystick controll. Large maps with plenty of stuff to blow up. Options screen to configure game speed, screen position, Etc. Duty roster (on disk) to record names, scores, and options. MIGHT be done before '94. :) Seumas From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Sep 10 08:36:13 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA08060 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 08:36:08 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA10471; Fri, 10 Sep 93 06:51:44 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net ) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA01086 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 06:49:08 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA01082 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 06:49:06 -0400 Received: from hearnvax.nic.surfnet.nl by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA24090 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 06:48:59 -0400 Received: from hsepm1.hse.nl by HEARNVAX.nic.SURFnet.nl (PMDF V4.2-12 #3330) id <01H2S8BHTVKG00QL5J@HEARNVAX.nic.SURFnet.nl>; Fri, 10 Sep 1993 12:48:50 MET Received: (from user S92406161) by hsepm1.hse.nl; 10 Sep 93 12:48:32 +0200 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1993 12:48:32 +0200 From: Dave 'DOPEX' Vissers To: AMOSlist Message-Id: <01H2S8BHZ8GY00QL5J@HEARNVAX.nic.SURFnet.nl> X-Envelope-To: Amos-list@access.digex.com X-Mailer: Pr1me Mailer 2.10 (C) 1991, 1992 Michel Pollet & Jac Goudsmit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO OK, as of now it's to late to ask question for francois Lionet... But the question asked before this, are printed and will be given to F.L. Hope to inform you about the answer as soon as monday ! BYE ! +------------------+ +-------------------------------------+ | Greetings from : |-----------------------+ My motto: +-- + + + + | +------------------+ Dave 'DOPEX' Vissers | +-- | | |\| | | S92406161@hsepm1.hse.nl | + +-+ + + | +------| Ask mailbox# for AMIGA-Stuff. |-----------------------------+ | +-------------------------------+ | If it hits you, hit it back ! | +-------------------------------+ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Sep 10 08:37:34 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA08432 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 08:37:33 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA10612; Fri, 10 Sep 93 07:01:49 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net ) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA01106 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 06:51:46 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA01102 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 06:51:44 -0400 Received: from bos1c.delphi.com (delphi.com) by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA24230 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 06:51:43 -0400 Received: from bix.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.2-11 #4520) id <01H2RVT5QCPS8ZE3K9@delphi.com>; Fri, 10 Sep 1993 06:51:13 EDT Received: by bix.com (CoSy3.31.1.29) id <9309100649.memo.89483@BIX.com>; Fri, 10 Sep 1993 06:49:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1993 06:49:26 -0400 (EDT) From: sfmcnally@BIX.com Subject: RE: AMAL + plotting In-Reply-To: To: Scott Southurst Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: <9309100649.memo.89483@BIX.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Cosy-To: Scott Southurst X-Cosy-Cc: amos-list@access.digex.com Status: RO Yes, but it still turns interupts off, you have to call "Synchro" to update thje Amal progs, so ya might as well use Amos by then. ;) Seumas From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Sep 10 09:38:37 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA16487 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 09:38:32 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA10789; Fri, 10 Sep 93 07:11:47 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net ) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA01116 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 06:58:05 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA01112 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 06:58:04 -0400 Received: from bos1c.delphi.com (delphi.com) by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA24694 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 06:58:03 -0400 Received: from bix.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.2-11 #4520) id <01H2RW21AWA88ZE3K9@delphi.com>; Fri, 10 Sep 1993 06:57:36 EDT Received: by bix.com (CoSy3.31.1.29) id <9309100655.memo.89488@BIX.com>; Fri, 10 Sep 1993 06:55:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1993 06:55:33 -0400 (EDT) From: sfmcnally@BIX.com Subject: Re: AMAL & Serpents Game In-Reply-To: <9309091127.AA05872@adit.dme> To: pawacsb@adit.dme.nt.gov.au Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: <9309100655.memo.89488@BIX.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Cosy-To: pawacsb@adit.dme.nt.gov.au (PAWA CSB Adam Cinzio 827065 ) X-Cosy-Cc: amos-list@access.digex.com Status: RO I played your serpents game, not bad, pretty neat actually. ;) The prob was it was Pal, (PAL v NTSC should allso be mentioned about progs being sent.) so I made the screen Laced to see it all. One problem I did have, was that once I went right off the board, outside, I could still move around, and found some wierd invisible walls... I thi8nk it MIGHT have had something to do with running over a frog that was sitting right on the map edge, I'm not sure though... Seumas From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Sep 10 09:39:14 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA16627 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 09:39:05 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA10977; Fri, 10 Sep 93 07:21:37 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net ) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA01153 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 07:13:17 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA01149 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 07:13:15 -0400 Received: from bos1c.delphi.com (delphi.com) by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA26822 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 07:13:14 -0400 Received: from bix.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.2-11 #4520) id <01H2RWJWPO1S8ZE3K9@delphi.com>; Fri, 10 Sep 1993 07:12:00 EDT Received: by bix.com (CoSy3.31.1.29) id <9309100709.memo.89498@BIX.com>; Fri, 10 Sep 1993 07:09:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1993 07:09:35 -0400 (EDT) From: sfmcnally@BIX.com Subject: RE: Programs In-Reply-To: <9309091447.AA20384@mach1.wlu.ca> To: mart4678@mach1.wlu.ca Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: <9309100709.memo.89498@BIX.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Cosy-To: mart4678@mach1.wlu.ca (Phil Martin u) X-Cosy-Cc: amos-list@access.digex.com Status: RO Well, you can get my little (quite feeble actually, but fun) shoot em up effort on Bix, and any other places it's been uploaded. Oh, uh, it's Zappo! 2.0. ;) Seumas From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Sep 10 09:39:49 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA16716 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 09:39:45 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA11161; Fri, 10 Sep 93 07:32:01 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net ) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA01172 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 07:24:01 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA01168 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 07:23:59 -0400 Received: from peladon.rmit.OZ.AU by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA27520 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 07:23:57 -0400 Received: from minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU by peladon.rmit.OZ.AU with SMTP id AA10435 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 21:23:55 +1000 Received: by minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU From: s921878@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (Daniel John Lee Parnell) Message-Id: <9309101123.3208@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU> Subject: More than 16 bobs from AMAL To: amos-list@access.digex.net (amos Amos Mailing List) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1993 21:23:42 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1848 Status: RO G'day all! I noticed recently that people have been complaining that it is not possible to animate more than 16 objects with AMAL, well, the following program shows that is is possible to do a lot more than that. Daniel ----------------------------------CUT HERE----------------------------------- ' Test Program By Daniel Parnell 10th August 1993 ' ' This program uses interrupts to move 64 bobs using AMAL ' thus showing that it is possible to animate more than 16 bobs under ' interrupts ' A$="S: Move 150,0,150; Move 0,70,100; Move -150,0,150; Move 0,-70,100; Jump S" Synchro Off Flash Off Set Curs %1000,%1000,%1000,%1111111,%1000,%1000,%1000,%0 Get Bob 1,1,0 To 8,8 Curs Off Cls 0 Locate 10,10 Centre "Press mouse key to exit." ' S$="This program shows that it is possible to use AMAL under interrupts " S$=S$+"for more than 16 bobs. In this program there are 64 COUNT'EM.... " S$=S$+"64 bobs all moving in a rectange. This is all done using the " S$=S$+"interupts.... SO IT CAN BE DONE!!! :) " ' Def Scroll 1,0,100 To 320,108,-2,0 Double Buffer ' For I=0 To 7 For J=0 To 7 Bob I+J*8,I*16,J*16,1 Next J Next I ' For I=0 To 63 Channel I To Bob I Amal I,A$ Next I ' Amal On Synchro On ' Do Scroll 1 Inc C If C=4 C=0 Inc TP If TP>Len(S$) TP=1 End If Text 310,106,Mid$(S$,TP,1) End If ' Exit If Mouse Key Loop ' Bob Off Screen Close 0 ----------------------------------CUT HERE----------------------------------- Daniel Parnell - Email to s921878@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au - AMIGA 500 1 MEG Second Year Applied Physics student at R.M.I.T. Melbourne Australia. *:|() People who drink petrol shouldn't smoke. AMOS 1.34 with Compiler and 3D Squaxx Dek Thargo since prog 579 - C64 Oric Amiga Mac CCPM - Forth From mart4678@mach1.wlu.ca Fri Sep 10 08:53:27 1993 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA10450 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 08:53:25 -0400 Received: from mach1.wlu.ca by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA01332 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 08:53:22 -0400 Received: by mach1.wlu.ca (5.65/1.35) id AA10050; Fri, 10 Sep 93 08:51:59 -0400 From: mart4678@mach1.wlu.ca (Phil Martin u) Message-Id: <9309101251.AA10050@mach1.wlu.ca> Subject: Zappo! 2.0 To: amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Date: Fri, 10 Sep 93 8:51:59 EDT In-Reply-To: <9309100709.memo.89498@BIX.com>; from "amos-request@svcs1.digex.net" at Sep 10, 93 7:09 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL13] Status: RO > > Well, you can get my little (quite feeble actually, but fun) shoot em up effort > on Bix, and any other places it's been uploaded. > Oh, uh, it's Zappo! 2.0. ;) > > Seumas > Would you mind mailing it to me? Phil. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Sep 10 10:57:28 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA27619 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 10:57:25 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA13835; Fri, 10 Sep 93 10:54:31 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA01720 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 10:38:37 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA01716 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 10:38:35 -0400 Received: from ns-mx.uiowa.edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA25202 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 10:38:25 -0400 Received: from umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu by ns-mx.uiowa.edu (5.64.jnf/920408) on Fri, 10 Sep 93 09:38:18 -0500 id AA16280 with SMTP Received: by umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (5.61.jnf/930730) on Fri, 10 Sep 93 09:37:27 -0500 id AA05096 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1993 09:28:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Richards Subject: RE: AMAL + plotting To: Tjark Kalow Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net In-Reply-To: <199309090826.AA06399@formentera.uni-paderborn.de> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO On Thu, 9 Sep 1993, Tjark Kalow wrote: > > But, if Amal works for you, go ahead and use it. :) > > Am I the only one for whom AMAL works? No, I have used AMAL extensively and find it to be the most useful part of the AMOS system. In Wabes (a pac man game) I have AMAL handle all the movements (6 ghosts and two pac men). All I do is store the direction I'd like the ghost/pac man to go when it reaches the next intersection into an AMAL register and AMAL moves the sprite at a constant speed, animates it, does boundry checks for the tunnel, changes eyeball graphics so the ghosts are looking the proper way, and changes direction as needed. All very smoothly. That's why even if Blitz Basic II is a faster language (I just got it in the mail yesterday -- should be fun to goof around with) I'll still use AMOS for most things just because of the AMAL language. Chris 'AMAL is great but it can sure look ugly' R > > Greetings, > Tjark From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Sep 10 12:37:36 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA11688 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 12:37:34 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA23276; Fri, 10 Sep 93 11:50:34 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net ) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA02807 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 11:35:30 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA02803 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 11:35:28 -0400 Received: from mail.lth.se (nic.lth.se) by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA03160 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 11:35:26 -0400 Received: from dit.lth.se by mail.lth.se with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0obAVP-000MUDC; Fri, 10 Sep 93 17:35 MET DST Received: from hera.dit.lth.se by dit.lth.se (4.1/DIt/gate BR ); Fri, 10 Sep 93 17:35:51 +0200 (MET) Received: from loopback by hera.dit.lth.se (4.1/); Fri, 10 Sep 93 17:32:22 +0200 (MET) Message-Id: <9309101532.AA12897@hera.dit.lth.se> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: AmigaGuide editor :-) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 93 17:32:16 +0200 From: hakan@hera.dit.lth.se Status: RO Well there seems not to bee anyone out there so I have to write one myselfe, so how does a good hypertext editor lock like? / /\ *-------------------------------------* / / \ | Hakan Ardo (hakan@hera.dit.lth.se) | /----/----\ | Programing C, XView and Amos | / / \ | Running them all Sparc, Amiga, (Pc) | / / \ *-------------------------------------* Always interested in hardware hacks, 3D graphics, animations... Still searching for a SANA-II PPP driver, any suggestions? From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Sep 10 12:02:46 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA06819 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 12:02:42 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA24533; Fri, 10 Sep 93 12:01:15 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA02815 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 11:37:27 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA02811 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 11:37:25 -0400 Received: from mail.lth.se (nic.lth.se) by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA03393 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 11:37:24 -0400 Received: from dit.lth.se by mail.lth.se with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0obAXK-000MUDC; Fri, 10 Sep 93 17:37 MET DST Received: from hera.dit.lth.se by dit.lth.se (4.1/DIt/gate BR ); Fri, 10 Sep 93 17:37:50 +0200 (MET) Received: from loopback by hera.dit.lth.se (4.1/); Fri, 10 Sep 93 17:34:23 +0200 (MET) Message-Id: <9309101534.AA12906@hera.dit.lth.se> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Where is the creator of the Helpacc.lha? Date: Fri, 10 Sep 93 17:34:17 +0200 From: hakan@hera.dit.lth.se Status: RO Well the subject says it all, if you are out there please drop me a mail:-) / /\ *-------------------------------------* / / \ | Hakan Ardo (hakan@hera.dit.lth.se) | /----/----\ | Programing C, XView and Amos | / / \ | Running them all Sparc, Amiga, (Pc) | / / \ *-------------------------------------* Always interested in hardware hacks, 3D graphics, animations... Still searching for a SANA-II PPP driver, any suggestions? From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Sep 10 13:28:33 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA20002 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 13:28:30 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA03596; Fri, 10 Sep 93 12:53:59 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net ) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA03382 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 12:22:32 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA03378 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 12:22:30 -0400 Received: from vax.mbhs.edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA10158 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 12:22:27 -0400 Message-Id: <199309101622.AA10158@access.digex.net> Date: 10 Sep 93 12:13:00 EST From: "Andrew Church" <95ACHURCH@vax.mbhs.edu> Subject: Re: Programs To: "amos-list" Status: RO >> I have released one program, it is called Curiosity.lzh, and is available >> on aminet in the anims directory. Please check it out and let me know >> what you think. > >I can't find the dir or the prog. It's actually in gfx/anim. Please make sure to specify the *exact* path - computers aren't smart enough to figure out what you mean. --Andy Church From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Sep 10 20:22:15 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA17552 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 20:22:14 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA11186; Fri, 10 Sep 93 20:20:43 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA05451 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 20:05:41 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA05447 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 20:05:40 -0400 Received: by access.digex.net id AA15862 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list@access.digex.com); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 20:05:39 -0400 From: Michael 'AMOS' Cox Message-Id: <199309110005.AA15862@access.digex.net> Subject: Re: DMS problems? To: amos-list@access.digex.net (AMOS Mailing List) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1993 20:05:39 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <9309092159.AA11438@mach1.wlu.ca> from "Phil Martin u" at Sep 9, 93 05:59:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 553 Status: O >I don't want to be argumentative, but what problems do you mean? I know that Well, a lot of people have gotten errors when unDMSing the AMOS disks from Aminet. The disk still seems to work but it is strange that the program aborts on the last track with a CRC error. Mike -- Michael Cox Work: mcox@access.digex.com Amiga Conquers, AMOS Rules! Play: aj639@cleveland.freenet.edu This space intentionally left blank Fido: 1:109/456.0 The text above is my own and all that other disclaimer junk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Sep 10 21:20:48 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA27450 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 21:20:46 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AB16690; Fri, 10 Sep 93 21:19:13 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA05531 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 21:02:25 -0400 Received: from relay1.UU.NET by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA05527 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 21:02:23 -0400 Received: from spectre.uunet.ca by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA01488; Fri, 10 Sep 93 21:02:21 -0400 Received: from web.apc.org ([142.77.253.8]) by spectre.uunet.ca with SMTP id <2746(1)>; Fri, 10 Sep 1993 21:02:12 -0400 Received: from becker by web.apc.org with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0obJH5-0000OTC; Fri, 10 Sep 93 20:57 EDT Received: by becker.GTS.ORG (smail2.5/bdb-15Aug90) id AA25200; Fri, 10 Sep 93 19:47:26 EDT (-0400) Subject: Re: SBB has been fixed... To: amos-list@svcs1.digex.net Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1993 02:30:42 -0400 From: Alex Howell In-Reply-To: <9309070010.AA11970@mach1.wlu.ca>; from "Phil Martin u" at Sep 6, 93 8:10 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11 913261353] Message-Id: <747642645.AA16214@nsq.uucp> Content-Type: text Content-Length: 947 Status: RO > I got a lot of responses from people offering to fix my bug, so I just > thought I'd let you all know at once that the bug has been killed. > Andy Church found the problem with the X Hard and Y Hard functions > returning bad values. Other programmers should probably take note of > this, try to avoid using these functions if you can... I pointed this set of bugs out to Michael a long while ago and got no response from Michael on whether or not Francois fixed it. The Xhard and Yhard WORK *ONLY* on Default. If you do anything different, forget Xhard and Yhard. There IS a way to get them in another way though. Memorize X : X Mouse=-500 : XOFF=X Mouse : Remember X Do the same for Y and XOFF and YOFF will have accurate values. Do this after opening the screen. You can then use the offsets to for whatever you needed them with. [A small procedure can allow you to get hardware coords from graphic coords with some work.] Alex... From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Sep 10 20:51:36 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA21289 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 20:51:33 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA14295; Fri, 10 Sep 93 20:49:50 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA05475 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 20:38:27 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA05471 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 20:38:26 -0400 Received: from vax.mbhs.edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA19561 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 10 Sep 1993 20:38:22 -0400 Message-Id: <199309110038.AA19561@access.digex.net> Date: 10 Sep 93 20:34:00 EST From: "Andrew Church" <95ACHURCH@vax.mbhs.edu> Subject: Re: DMS problems? To: "amos-list" Status: RO >Well, a lot of people have gotten errors when unDMSing the AMOS disks from >Aminet. The disk still seems to work but it is strange that the program aborts >on the last track with a CRC error. I think this is due to extra bytes at the end of the file as a result of the file transfer protocol used; the same thing has happened to me with executable files. In particular, I've noticed that Xmodem causes this problem. If you're using Xmodem, don't. Use Kermit instead. If that's not the problem, I don't know what is. (It could be that they were uploaded with Xmodem; if that's the case, there isn't much that can be done.) --Andy Church From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Sep 11 13:14:56 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA22536 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 11 Sep 1993 13:14:54 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA04612; Sat, 11 Sep 93 13:14:34 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA08063 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Sat, 11 Sep 1993 13:01:54 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA08059 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 11 Sep 1993 13:01:53 -0400 Received: from cc.lut.fi by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA20805 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 11 Sep 1993 13:01:50 -0400 Received: by cc.lut.fi (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4/Kim-2.2) id AA12960; Sat, 11 Sep 1993 20:01:48 +0300 From: Kimmo Veijalainen Message-Id: <199309111701.AA12960@cc.lut.fi> Subject: PAL/NTSC (fwd) To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Sat, 11 Sep 93 20:01:48 EETDST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: O > Is there an OS call to change between NTSC and PAL? Or would it be easier > to Poke something? It can't be too hard, Mode_Switch is only 4K... can > someone help? > > Phil Martin. These was an Amos program for switching between pal/ntsc on an AMONER disk-magazine issue ????. Does someone remember the issue number? From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Sep 12 12:28:14 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA03781 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 12 Sep 1993 12:28:12 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA08532; Sun, 12 Sep 93 12:26:46 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA12904 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Sun, 12 Sep 1993 11:56:13 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA12900 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 12 Sep 1993 11:56:10 -0400 Received: from bode.ee.ualberta.ca by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA29918 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 12 Sep 1993 11:56:05 -0400 Received: by bode.ee.ualberta.ca (1.37.109.4/15.6) id AA06426; Sun, 12 Sep 93 09:55:48 -0600 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1993 09:25:18 +0700 (MST) From: Mike Sikorsky Subject: Re: Files Via Email. To: Alex Howell Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net, bdb%becker@uunet.uu.net In-Reply-To: <747684098.AA19935@nsq.uucp> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO On Fri, 10 Sep 1993, Alex Howell wrote: > >The following is a few proggies I wrote (Uncompiled). This is for the > >people who are complaining about people talking and not submitting. I > >didn't put this on Aminet coz I don't have access (THANX DEAKIN!! Hurry > >up and get the link up!!). > > The proggies include -> A menu/scrolly > > AMOSTRIS (TETRIS CLONE) > > A blackjack type game (Simple) and > > a bent scrolly... > > > >Modifiy if you like but Id like to know about it. > >The files are LHArchived and UUENCODED. > > First off, I'd like to congratulate you and present you with a "Bonehead of the > Year" award. > Do you really think this comment was necessary ? Every person that is on the net has done something boneheadish at sometime in their life... > I really could care less about your Aminet problems. And even further more, > I could care less about your files. If you want to SUBMIT something, send it > to Aminet OR Email it to Michael. *NOT* here. > I agree that an archive of that size should not have been posted to the list but I am sure it was not done just to cause you problems. I also disagree w/your statement that if you want to submit something that it should go on Aminet, yes it should go on aminet if it is some 400k final prog. but what about when progs. are reasonably sized (<15k) and are not really finished products yet or of aminet quailty but may have some benefit to the Amos list ? > I had a failure in my reading of my mail due to your files being sent. *I* > don't like having to move files around the system here just to read my mail > because some moron doesn't realize that *NOT EVERYONE* wants it. I *KNOW* I > don't. > Yes I am sorry that you had some problems due to this archive but I think using "moron" was too harsh. How is anyone supposed to learn about the net until somebody tells them ?? I am sure that Scott recieved mail telling him about his mistake, all he was trying to do was contribute some programs to the list and I appreciate that. > I also think that if this happens, I'll get a few admin more to back me up on > this and request that the Amos List have a line limit restriction of 150 lines. > Slow down... there is no reason to go and start crying to admins, it was a simple mistake... it was not some big conspiracy against you. > Which would make any files sent, be removed without notification. There are > also ways of detecting if uuencoding is happening in a file. It's not too > difficult to have a program remove uuencoded files from messages, then leave a > warning that the file was removed instead. > Again slow down... > Come on Michael, get on the ball. DO something about this. OR *I* will. > > Alex... > Come on Alex I am sure you have better things to do than worry about a simple mistake... again I just want to state that I am sorry that this has caused you so much trouble and I agree that it should not have happened but it was a mistake and I think that you were just being way too hard on Scott... - Mike Sikorsky From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Sep 12 12:17:50 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA03203 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 12 Sep 1993 12:17:48 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA08076; Sun, 12 Sep 93 12:16:23 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA12954 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Sun, 12 Sep 1993 12:01:53 -0400 Received: from bode.ee.ualberta.ca by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA12950 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 12 Sep 1993 12:01:51 -0400 Received: by bode.ee.ualberta.ca (1.37.109.4/15.6) id AA06453; Sun, 12 Sep 93 10:01:20 -0600 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1993 09:57:41 +0700 (MST) From: Mike Sikorsky Subject: Re: PAL/NTSC To: Phil Martin u Cc: AMOS Mail List In-Reply-To: <9309111548.AA00920@mach1.wlu.ca> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO On Sat, 11 Sep 1993, Phil Martin u wrote: > Hello, everyone! > > Is there an OS call to change between NTSC and PAL? Or would it be easier > to Poke something? It can't be too hard, Mode_Switch is only 4K... can > someone help? > Procedure _TO_PAL ' Doke $DFF1DC,32 ' End Proc Procedure _TO_NTSC ' Doke $DFF1DC,0 ' End Proc ...hope this helps... - Mike Sikorsky > Phil Martin. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Sep 12 12:05:30 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA02259 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 12 Sep 1993 12:05:29 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA07447; Sun, 12 Sep 93 12:03:59 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA12910 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Sun, 12 Sep 1993 11:58:34 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA12906 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 12 Sep 1993 11:58:32 -0400 Received: from vax.mbhs.edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA00521 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 12 Sep 1993 11:58:29 -0400 Message-Id: <199309121558.AA00521@access.digex.net> Date: 12 Sep 93 11:41:00 EST From: "Andrew Church" <95ACHURCH@vax.mbhs.edu> Subject: Re: PAL/NTSC To: "amos-list" Status: RO >Is there an OS call to change between NTSC and PAL? Or would it be easier >to Poke something? It can't be too hard, Mode_Switch is only 4K... can >someone help? Just Doke $DFF1DC,x. For NTSC, x=0; for PAL, x=$20. Note that this only works on ECS systems (and probably AGA, although I haven't been able to test it). --Andy Church From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Sep 12 13:15:27 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA08979 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 12 Sep 1993 13:15:26 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA10652; Sun, 12 Sep 93 13:13:48 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA13075 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Sun, 12 Sep 1993 13:03:21 -0400 Received: from mach1.wlu.ca by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA13071 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 12 Sep 1993 13:03:19 -0400 Received: by mach1.wlu.ca (5.65/1.35) id AA27846; Sun, 12 Sep 93 13:01:57 -0400 From: mart4678@mach1.wlu.ca (Phil Martin u) Message-Id: <9309121701.AA27846@mach1.wlu.ca> Subject: Re: PAL/NTSC To: amos-list@svcs1.digex.net (AMOS Mail List) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 93 13:01:56 EDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL13] Status: RO > > >Is there an OS call to change between NTSC and PAL? Or would it be easier > >to Poke something? It can't be too hard, Mode_Switch is only 4K... can > >someone help? > > Just Doke $DFF1DC,x. For NTSC, x=0; for PAL, x=$20. > > Note that this only works on ECS systems (and probably AGA, although I > haven't been able to test it). Works great on my A4000. Thanks again Andy. > > --Andy Church > Phil Martin. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Sep 12 13:25:34 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA09520 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 12 Sep 1993 13:25:33 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA11247; Sun, 12 Sep 93 13:24:07 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA13082 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Sun, 12 Sep 1993 13:11:22 -0400 Received: from mach1.wlu.ca by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA13078 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 12 Sep 1993 13:11:20 -0400 Received: by mach1.wlu.ca (5.65/1.35) id AA29240; Sun, 12 Sep 93 13:10:01 -0400 From: mart4678@mach1.wlu.ca (Phil Martin u) Message-Id: <9309121710.AA29240@mach1.wlu.ca> Subject: Re: Files Via Email. To: amos-list@svcs1.digex.net (AMOS Mail List) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 93 13:10:00 EDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL13] Status: RO Forwarded message: > Come on Alex I am sure you have better things to do than worry > about a simple mistake... again I just want to state that I am sorry that > this has caused you so much trouble and I agree that it should not have > happened but it was a mistake and I think that you were just being way > too hard on Scott... > > - Mike Sikorsky > I'd like to say that I agree. Cool down, Alex. If something is inconsiderate out of error, it is a hell of a lot easier for most of us to deal with than posts like yours. Phil Martin. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Sep 12 21:18:39 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA18563 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 12 Sep 1993 21:18:36 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA15858; Sun, 12 Sep 93 21:17:06 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA15668 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Sun, 12 Sep 1993 21:09:06 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA15664 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 12 Sep 1993 21:09:05 -0400 Received: from sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA17419 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 12 Sep 1993 21:08:56 -0400 Received: from mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au (mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au [128.184.102.1]) by sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au (8.5/1.2) with SMTP id LAA00512; Mon, 13 Sep 1993 11:08:47 +1000 Received: by mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au (4.1/client-1.3) id AA11970; Mon, 13 Sep 93 11:08:44 EST Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 11:08:20 +1000 (EST) From: Scott Southurst Sender: Scott Southurst Reply-To: Scott Southurst To: LIST AMOS Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Status: RO Just a tip for people who REPLY to letters in the list. Delete the persons name and replace it with amos list address. This way the person does not get 2 copies of the letter (Which can be annoying). This is directed at all but mostly to SEUMAS who does it ALL THE TIME!!! ||\ *********************************************** ./~ \ * Scott Southurst (maverick@deakin.edu.au) * ~~\ \ * Deakin University, Warrnambool, Australia * // \ * Aquatic Biology/Computer Programming * | \___/| * A500 - 1084s - 1meg - AMOS 1.34 - AMOS 3d * /~/~~ ___/ * Compiler - AND LOVING IT!! (Soon A1200??) * ~~~~~~~~ *********************************************** From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Sep 12 21:56:07 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA21216 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 12 Sep 1993 21:56:05 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA19633; Sun, 12 Sep 93 21:54:35 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA15752 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Sun, 12 Sep 1993 21:34:18 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA15748 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 12 Sep 1993 21:34:17 -0400 Received: from sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA19853 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 12 Sep 1993 21:34:10 -0400 Received: from mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au (mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au [128.184.102.1]) by sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au (8.5/1.2) with SMTP id LAA05239; Mon, 13 Sep 1993 11:34:00 +1000 Received: by mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au (4.1/client-1.3) id AA12991; Mon, 13 Sep 93 11:33:58 EST Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 11:30:07 +1000 (EST) From: Scott Southurst Sender: Scott Southurst Reply-To: Scott Southurst Subject: WELL SORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!! To: LIST AMOS Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Status: RO Gee the nerve of some people eh?? All these people complaining 'There aren't any submissions'. I submit something in good faith and someone takes it as a personal insult to their intelligence. As for the comments made by Mike Sikorsky - Thank you for your reasonable and polite comments. One thing you did get wrong... I am actually a member of the world wide conspiracy against Alex. A group with over a billion members, including Elvis, Hitler and Mary Poppins. Seriously though, I think Alex could do with being taught some diplomacy or even some simple politeness. As for your mail problems and threats of DOBBING, I DO NOT CARE ABOUT THEM!!! If your mail stuffed up so bad then complain about the way you mail is set up!! Not the mail you get. Actually, having read a few more of my letters, thanks to all for your support and POLITENESS. If I remember correctly I did appologise for my mistake, if not, I am now (*SORRY*). To those who didn't mind (*MUCH*) the posting Id appreciate any emailings from those who like it or who have comments. Ah Alex, go and whinge to the Site admins, Id love to send you some more files. Oh sorry, *I* would love to... Cheers all, ||\ *********************************************** ./~ \ * Scott Southurst (maverick@deakin.edu.au) * ~~\ \ * Deakin University, Warrnambool, Australia * // \ * Aquatic Biology/Computer Programming * | \___/| * A500 - 1084s - 1meg - AMOS 1.34 - AMOS 3d * /~/~~ ___/ * Compiler - AND LOVING IT!! (Soon A1200??) * ~~~~~~~~ *********************************************** From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Sep 12 21:44:27 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA20442 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 12 Sep 1993 21:44:25 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA18334; Sun, 12 Sep 93 21:43:00 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA15758 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Sun, 12 Sep 1993 21:34:44 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA15754 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 12 Sep 1993 21:34:42 -0400 Received: from peladon.rmit.OZ.AU by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA19894 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 12 Sep 1993 21:34:34 -0400 Received: from minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU by peladon.rmit.OZ.AU with SMTP id AA02622 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 13 Sep 1993 11:34:31 +1000 Received: by minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU From: s921878@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (Daniel John Lee Parnell) Message-Id: <9309130134.10051@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU> Subject: The large files recently posted To: amos-list@access.digex.net (amos Amos Mailing List) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 11:34:19 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 474 Status: RO G'day! Over here in Australia I seem to have missed it so could the author please send them to me (if it isn't too much trouble of course) Thanks! Daniel Daniel Parnell - Email to s921878@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au - AMIGA 500 1 MEG Second Year Applied Physics student at R.M.I.T. Melbourne Australia. *:|() People who drink petrol shouldn't smoke. AMOS 1.34 with Compiler and 3D Squaxx Dek Thargo since prog 579 - C64 Oric Amiga Mac CCPM - Forth From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Sep 12 22:06:10 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA23095 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 12 Sep 1993 22:06:09 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA20831; Sun, 12 Sep 93 22:04:31 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA15773 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Sun, 12 Sep 1993 21:51:57 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA15769 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 12 Sep 1993 21:51:55 -0400 Received: from sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA20905 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 12 Sep 1993 21:51:47 -0400 Received: from mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au (mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au [128.184.102.1]) by sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au (8.5/1.2) with SMTP id LAA06487; Mon, 13 Sep 1993 11:51:34 +1000 Received: by mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au (4.1/client-1.3) id AA14045; Mon, 13 Sep 93 11:51:33 EST Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 11:49:46 +1000 (EST) From: Scott Southurst Subject: Extension creator from Aaron/Adam Fothergill?? To: LIST AMOS Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO This program was mentioned by someone earlier, is this a Pd program?? Or is it another TOME type program?? Where can I get it. INFO: Its meant to set up everything for you, you just put in the code. (Thats all I know) ||\ *********************************************** ./~ \ * Scott Southurst (maverick@deakin.edu.au) * ~~\ \ * Deakin University, Warrnambool, Australia * // \ * Aquatic Biology/Computer Programming * | \___/| * A500 - 1084s - 1meg - AMOS 1.34 - AMOS 3d * /~/~~ ___/ * Compiler - AND LOVING IT!! (Soon A1200??) * ~~~~~~~~ *********************************************** From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Sep 13 06:37:27 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA13943 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 13 Sep 1993 06:37:25 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA22843; Mon, 13 Sep 93 06:35:50 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA17655 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Mon, 13 Sep 1993 06:24:07 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA17651 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 13 Sep 1993 06:24:05 -0400 Received: from hearnvax.nic.surfnet.nl by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA13542 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 13 Sep 1993 06:24:02 -0400 Received: from hsepm1.hse.nl by HEARNVAX.nic.SURFnet.nl (PMDF V4.2-12 #3330) id <01H2WEBIBMB400PDAA@HEARNVAX.nic.SURFnet.nl>; Mon, 13 Sep 1993 12:23:50 MET Received: (from user S92406161) by hsepm1.hse.nl; 13 Sep 93 12:23:28 +0200 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 12:23:28 +0200 From: Dave 'DOPEX' Vissers To: AMOSlist Message-Id: <01H2WEBIGZ7M00PDAA@HEARNVAX.nic.SURFnet.nl> X-Envelope-To: Amos-list@access.digex.com X-Mailer: Pr1me Mailer 2.10 (C) 1991, 1992 Michel Pollet & Jac Goudsmit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO OK, GUYS, GOOD NEWS AND BAD ! The bad news is, I forgot the print-out of your questions (Brilliant !) The good news is, I remembered a lot of questions ! Main question #1 : YES ! Amos is going to be FULL AGA ! Francois said he wanted to start with it this January Main question #2 : PCOS is not 100%, is not sure it's gonna come... At least not before AMOS FULL AGA. Main question #3 : If PCOS is going commercial it will not effect the development of AMOS.... Fax'es : Yes, he recieved your Fax'es, but during he was working on the compiler (right ?) , and during that time he ignored EVERYTHING ! Aaron Fothergill : Funny guy, and has a modem now... but still experimenting with it, and said he will in the future join this list ! Bug reports : Coz I couldn't remember the exact bugs, I could tell him, but I'll send them to him.... (still to come... !) Some-guy ? : You send a letter to mandarin ? Amos is currently not at mandarin but at europress ... :( I think I covered most of the urgent questions.. ? ( I'll hear from you right ? ) (And don't send any assassins to me OK ?) +------------------+ +-------------------------------------+ | Greetings from : |-----------------------+ My motto: +-- + + + + | +------------------+ Dave 'DOPEX' Vissers | +-- | | |\| | | S92406161@hsepm1.hse.nl | + +-+ + + | +------| Ask mailbox# for AMIGA-Stuff. |-----------------------------+ | +-------------------------------+ | If it hits you, hit it back ! | +-------------------------------+ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Sep 13 06:47:06 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA14541 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 13 Sep 1993 06:47:04 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA23138; Mon, 13 Sep 93 06:45:17 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA17695 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Mon, 13 Sep 1993 06:32:11 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA17687 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 13 Sep 1993 06:32:08 -0400 Received: from hearn.nic.surfnet.nl by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA13743 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 13 Sep 1993 06:32:00 -0400 Message-Id: <199309131032.AA13743@access.digex.net> Received: from HNYKUN11.URC.KUN.NL by HEARN.nic.SURFnet.nl (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4887; Mon, 13 Sep 93 12:25:34 CET Received: from HNYKUN11 (NJE origin U249026@HNYKUN11) by HNYKUN11.URC.KUN.NL (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3687; Mon, 13 Sep 1993 11:52:26 +0200 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 93 11:51:02 MET From: Branko Collin Subject: re: shareware billiards To: amos-list@access.digex.net Status: RO >Is here anybody else in this list but me, who have tried shareware >programming ? >I tried it (as many of you may know) with Billiard Games, with >no success at all. Couple of people send me mail that it's good, >some said it wasn't working at all on his machine, but _nobody_ >registered. >I know I made at least two errors: >-codeword system is no good >-I should have called it version 1.0, instead of 0.9 ... >Mikko If you want to be sure that ppl will register, promise them something in return. More levels, or extra software. I know that even the best shareware authors are having troubles getting their users to register. Look at the way Llamasoft do it. They send you an extra game if you pay them BP5 for one of their shareware projects. As I understand it works well for them. ....................................................................... . Branko Collin . 'Nonsense is the opposite . . u249026@hnykun11.urc.kun.nl . of sense and should . . // u249026@hnykun11.bitnet . therefor be taken serious- . . \X/ bcollin@mpi.kun.nl (work) . ly.' - I . ....................................................................... From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Sep 12 19:17:27 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA05450 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 12 Sep 1993 19:17:23 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA04340; Sun, 12 Sep 93 19:15:56 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA15523 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Sun, 12 Sep 1993 19:08:04 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA15519 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 12 Sep 1993 19:08:03 -0400 Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA04454 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 12 Sep 1993 19:08:01 -0400 Received: from elms.concept.com.au (actually 192.132.41.250) by bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au with SMTP (PP); Mon, 13 Sep 1993 09:07:46 +1000 Received: by elms.concept.com.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16318; Mon, 13 Sep 93 09:07:49 EST Date: Mon, 13 Sep 93 09:07:49 EST From: Tom Plackowski Message-Id: <9309122307.AA16318@elms.concept.com.au> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Wow! What a whinge. Status: RO [ Large posting to this list brings complaint weeks after the event ] >I really could care less about your Aminet problems. And even further more, > ... >I had a failure in my reading of my mail due to your files being sent. *I* >don't like having to move files around the system here just to read my mail Perhaps we really don't care about your mail problems? 8-) Seriously, as was said in another posting, its good to let people learn. I certainly didn't know that large postings were not always welcome! It can be a hassle if you're under a low quota. At least those who mailed back to me were polite. Anyhow, I say thanks to Scott for the posting. I thought it was great to see his work. A few k's of mail don't faze me any more. It gets interesting when people post large sound samples to me! I only had to make a couple of megs free on the spool area once 8-)! >Come on Michael, get on the ball. DO something about this. OR *I* will. Amazing overreaction. The best person to do something about it is Scott. All we need do is ask him nicely. // Tom From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Sep 13 07:56:56 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA19503 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 13 Sep 1993 07:56:54 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA27313; Mon, 13 Sep 93 07:55:24 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA18080 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Mon, 13 Sep 1993 07:44:45 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA18076 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 13 Sep 1993 07:44:43 -0400 Received: from uni-paderborn.de by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA18572 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 13 Sep 1993 07:44:35 -0400 Received: from moskau.uni-paderborn.de by uni-paderborn.de with SMTP id AA15449 (5.65c8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 13 Sep 1993 13:44:26 +0200 Received: by moskau.uni-paderborn.de id AA10888 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for amos-list@access.digex.com); Mon, 13 Sep 1993 13:44:15 +0200 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 13:44:15 +0200 From: Tjark Kalow Message-Id: <199309131144.AA10888@moskau.uni-paderborn.de> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: RE: AMAL + plotting In-Reply-To: <9309100646.memo.89481@BIX.com> References: <199309090826.AA06399@formentera.uni-paderborn.de> <9309100646.memo.89481@BIX.com> Status: O Hello sfmcnally, On Fri, September 10, 1993 you wrote about the subject 'RE: AMAL + plotting': > Well, when I "reply" to mail, it sends it to the persone I replied to, (ie, you) > so I allso CC to the list, but at least it lets the persone I reply to know > it was a reply to him/her. Then get a new mail program. You should be able to change the To field of a reply, like I do. And the person will know it's a reply to her mail, if you get your mail prog to insert lines like those above (Hello sfmcnally...). Greetings, Tjark -- This is a typical case, whom we shall refer to as Mr. A, although his real name is this: +----------------------------------------------------------------+ Name: Tjark Kalow E-Mail: tjark@uni-paderborn.de Address: Thorenknick 6 33100 Paderborn Country: Germany Tel.: 0 52 52 / 39 12 (phone answering system) Computer: AMIGA 500 KS1.2 1MB w. 2 drives Occupation: Student +----------------------------------------------------------------+ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Sep 13 08:06:55 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA21529 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 13 Sep 1993 08:06:53 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA27877; Mon, 13 Sep 93 08:05:17 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA18095 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Mon, 13 Sep 1993 07:54:43 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA18091 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 13 Sep 1993 07:54:41 -0400 Received: from uni-paderborn.de by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA19243 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 13 Sep 1993 07:54:36 -0400 Received: from moskau.uni-paderborn.de by uni-paderborn.de with SMTP id AA15616 (5.65c8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 13 Sep 1993 13:54:34 +0200 Received: by moskau.uni-paderborn.de id AA11113 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for amos-list@access.digex.com); Mon, 13 Sep 1993 13:54:31 +0200 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 13:54:31 +0200 From: Tjark Kalow Message-Id: <199309131154.AA11113@moskau.uni-paderborn.de> To: amos-list@access.digex.net In-Reply-To: References: Status: O Hello Scott, On Mon, September 13, 1993 you wrote about the subject '': > Just a tip for people who REPLY to letters in the list. Delete the > persons name and replace it with amos list address. This way the person > does not get 2 copies of the letter (Which can be annoying). This is directed > at all but mostly to SEUMAS who does it ALL THE TIME!!! This is what I'm telling all the time. It really shouldn't be a problem. Thank you, Scott!!! Tjark -- This is a typical case, whom we shall refer to as Mr. A, although his real name is this: +----------------------------------------------------------------+ Name: Tjark Kalow E-Mail: tjark@uni-paderborn.de Address: Thorenknick 6 33100 Paderborn Country: Germany Tel.: 0 52 52 / 39 12 (phone answering system) Computer: AMIGA 500 KS1.2 1MB w. 2 drives Occupation: Student +----------------------------------------------------------------+ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Sep 13 15:28:06 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA24065 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 13 Sep 1993 15:28:04 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA22641; Mon, 13 Sep 93 14:38:00 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net ) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA24412 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Mon, 13 Sep 1993 14:17:04 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA24408 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 13 Sep 1993 14:17:03 -0400 Received: from mail.lth.se (nic.lth.se) by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA14160 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 13 Sep 1993 14:16:55 -0400 Received: from dit.lth.se by mail.lth.se with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0ocISJ-000MUnC; Mon, 13 Sep 93 20:16 MET DST Received: from hera.dit.lth.se by dit.lth.se (4.1/DIt/gate BR ); Mon, 13 Sep 93 20:17:17 +0200 (MET) Received: from loopback by hera.dit.lth.se (4.1/); Mon, 13 Sep 93 20:13:45 +0200 (MET) Message-Id: <9309131813.AA16829@hera.dit.lth.se> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: AigaGuide help document Date: Mon, 13 Sep 93 20:13:39 +0200 From: hakan@hera.dit.lth.se Status: RO Isn't ther any file that describest this list? If it is I would like to include it in this document, so if anybody could sent it to me...... / /\ *-------------------------------------* / / \ | Hakan Ardo (hakan@hera.dit.lth.se) | /----/----\ | Programing C, XView and Amos | / / \ | Running them all Sparc, Amiga, (Pc) | / / \ *-------------------------------------* Always interested in hardware hacks, 3D graphics, animations... Still searching for a SANA-II PPP driver, any suggestions? From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Sep 13 20:11:35 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA20038 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 13 Sep 1993 20:11:29 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA18576; Mon, 13 Sep 93 20:11:10 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA28790 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Mon, 13 Sep 1993 19:53:49 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA28786 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 13 Sep 1993 19:53:47 -0400 Received: from relay1.UU.NET by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA11821 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 13 Sep 1993 19:53:44 -0400 Received: from spectre.uunet.ca by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA27400; Mon, 13 Sep 93 19:53:43 -0400 Received: from web.apc.org ([142.77.253.8]) by spectre.uunet.ca with SMTP id <2735(2)>; Mon, 13 Sep 1993 19:53:36 -0400 Received: from becker by web.apc.org with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ocNcl-0000WyC; Mon, 13 Sep 93 23:47 GMT Received: by becker.GTS.ORG (smail2.5/bdb-15Aug90) id AA06945; Mon, 13 Sep 93 19:36:32 EDT (-0400) Subject: Re: Files Via Email. To: sikorsky@ee.ualberta.ca (Mike Sikorsky) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 12:55:51 -0400 From: Alex Howell Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net In-Reply-To: ; from "Mike Sikorsky" at Sep 11, 93 10:25 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11 913261353] Message-Id: <747939352.AA10530@nsq.uucp> Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2045 Status: RO > Do you really think this comment was necessary ? Every person that > is on the net has done something boneheadish at sometime in their life... No, but I want to make sure it stops... IE: It's the first and last time. > I agree that an archive of that size should not have been posted to the > list but I am sure it was not done just to cause you problems. I also > disagree w/your statement that if you want to submit something that it should > go on Aminet, yes it should go on aminet if it is some 400k final prog. but > what about when progs. are reasonably sized (<15k) and are not really > finished products yet or of aminet quailty but may have some benefit to the > Amos list ? Quite simply, files are NOT to be sent via Email around Usenet sites. And a LOT of people are on Usenet sites that connect while not in schools/etc. And I think that *ALL* files should go to Aminet. So what if they're small, they could be of use to ANYONE. Ship it to Michael, but don't put it in here, it only reaches us, what about the thousands of others who constantly LOOK for "just what they need" only to find it went thru here and not Aminet. > Slow down... there is no reason to go and start crying to admins, it > was a simple mistake... it was not some big conspiracy against you. Trust me, I don't go crying to admins. If you'll recall, an Admin complained about that file being sent. I just converse with the group of admins I know and things will get done if need be. > Come on Alex I am sure you have better things to do than worry > about a simple mistake... again I just want to state that I am sorry that > this has caused you so much trouble and I agree that it should not have > happened but it was a mistake and I think that you were just being way > too hard on Scott... I think it would have been better had Michael included a note in the welcome message stating all files are to be sent to Aminet either direct or Emailed to HIM only. Not on the list. Alex... (Thats the way it SHOULD be.) From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Sep 13 20:02:08 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA15415 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 13 Sep 1993 20:02:03 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA16984; Mon, 13 Sep 93 20:01:00 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA28771 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Mon, 13 Sep 1993 19:43:54 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA28767 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 13 Sep 1993 19:43:52 -0400 Received: from sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA07097 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 13 Sep 1993 19:43:40 -0400 Received: from mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au (mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au [128.184.102.1]) by sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au (8.5/1.2) with SMTP id JAA02062; Tue, 14 Sep 1993 09:42:43 +1000 Received: by mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au (4.1/client-1.3) id AA22053; Tue, 14 Sep 93 09:42:42 EST Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1993 09:41:39 +1000 (EST) From: Scott Southurst Sender: Scott Southurst Reply-To: Scott Southurst Subject: Re: AMOSTRIS. To: LIST AMOS Cc: Daniel John Lee Parnell Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Status: RO I was just wondering if people who actually tried this program (YES THE REALLY BIG ONE) could email me and tell me:- What machine (A500, A1200 etc.) What they thought of it. (How it ran, ie. On The faster machines it may have run strange) If you don't have it and want it mail me and I send it ASAP. I did get your letter Daniel John Lee Parnell and will send it soon 8). ||\ *********************************************** ./~ \ * Scott Southurst (maverick@deakin.edu.au) * ~~\ \ * Deakin University, Warrnambool, Australia * // \ * Aquatic Biology/Computer Programming * | \___/| * A500 - 1084s - 1meg - AMOS 1.34 - AMOS 3d * /~/~~ ___/ * Compiler - AND LOVING IT!! (Soon A1200??) * ~~~~~~~~ *********************************************** From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Sep 13 20:48:44 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA06400 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 13 Sep 1993 20:48:40 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA23752; Mon, 13 Sep 93 20:48:24 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA29165 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Mon, 13 Sep 1993 20:30:07 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA29161 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 13 Sep 1993 20:30:05 -0400 Received: from vax.mbhs.edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA28196 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 13 Sep 1993 20:29:59 -0400 Message-Id: <199309140029.AA28196@access.digex.net> Date: 13 Sep 93 20:33:00 EST From: "Andrew Church" <95ACHURCH@vax.mbhs.edu> Subject: Re: Files Via Email. To: "amos-list" Status: RO >To: sikorsky@ee.ualberta.ca (Mike Sikorsky) >Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Please, please, don't do this! It's not necessary! I (and to judge from the comments about this, many others) don't like getting 2 copies of a reply! >Quite simply, files are NOT to be sent via Email around Usenet sites. Huh? Where'd this come from? I've sent quite a few of my files to the AMOS list, all smaller than 4K, and nobody's complained. Or are you just talking about the "common-sense" of not sending huge files to mailing lists? >And a LOT of people are on Usenet sites that connect while not in schools/etc. >And I think that *ALL* files should go to Aminet. So what if they're small, >they could be of use to ANYONE. Ship it to Michael, but don't put it in here, >it only reaches us, what about the thousands of others who constantly LOOK for >"just what they need" only to find it went thru here and not Aminet. Here's an idea: How about if someone starts collecting procedures that are posted here, and after a while, puts a procedure library on Aminet? This library could include stuff posted here as well as procedures people send to the library-compiler to put in the library. I'd be willing to take this on. What are people's thoughts about this? >I think it would have been better had Michael included a note in the welcome >message stating all files are to be sent to Aminet either direct or Emailed >to HIM only. Not on the list. Well, yes, that would be good. I do remember that after another instance of this about 8 months ago (?) Michael posted a note suggesting that rather than posting long files here, people post notices that the file is available and can be emailed to anyone requesting it. (After all, some people may not want to put their stuff on Aminet; take, for example, my Columns game, which is not finished yet.) There's nothing wrong with posting reasonbly short procedures or files here. --Andy Church P.S. Speaking of Columns, I've yet to receive any response from the testers. Hello? You still out there? From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Sep 13 21:13:13 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA18658 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 13 Sep 1993 21:12:30 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA26811; Mon, 13 Sep 93 21:12:04 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA29188 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Mon, 13 Sep 1993 20:53:19 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA29184 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 13 Sep 1993 20:53:14 -0400 Received: from diemen.utas.edu.au by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA08349 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 13 Sep 1993 20:53:07 -0400 Received: from ecc.tased.edu.au (zaphod.ecc.tased.edu.AU) by diemen.utas.edu.au with SMTP id AA04477 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 10:53:02 +1000 Received: from slick.clare.tased.edu.au by ecc.tased.edu.au (PMDF #3100 ) id <01H2XPF4FSLC8ZDZIV@ecc.tased.edu.au>; Tue, 14 Sep 1993 10:52:52 +1000 Received: from charon1.clare.tased.edu.au by slick.clare.tased.edu.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23928; Tue, 14 Sep 93 10:48:32 EST Received: From ASGARD/WORKQUEUE by charon1.clare.tased.edu.au via Charon-4.0-VROOM with IPX id 100.930914105701.320; 14 Sep 93 10:51:50 -1100 Date: 14 Sep 93 10:54:04 GMT+10 From: Paul Reece Subject: Re: Files Via Email. To: nsq!alexhl@uunet.uu.net, amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: amos-list@access.digex.net, nsq!alexhl@uunet.uu.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v2.1b. Status: RO > > Do you really think this comment was necessary ? Every person that > > is on the net has done something boneheadish at sometime in their life... Exactly - We're only human after all... > > No, but I want to make sure it stops... IE: It's the first and last time. Fair enough, but don't flame people in the process... That's not going to fix anything - What was that old saying?? - "Two wrongs don't make a right" > > I agree that an archive of that size should not have been posted to the > > list but I am sure it was not done just to cause you problems. I also > > disagree w/your statement that if you want to submit something that it should > > go on Aminet, yes it should go on aminet if it is some 400k final prog. but > > what about when progs. are reasonably sized (<15k) and are not really > > finished products yet or of aminet quailty but may have some benefit to the > > Amos list ? > > Quite simply, files are NOT to be sent via Email around Usenet sites. And a > LOT of people are on Usenet sites that connect while not in schools/etc. And > I think that *ALL* files should go to Aminet. So what if they're small, they > could be of use to ANYONE. Ship it to Michael, but don't put it in here, it > only reaches us, what about the thousands of others who constantly LOOK for > "just what they need" only to find it went thru here and not Aminet. Who says that Michael would want these files to his personal account all of the time??? He has a life too, I'm sure ;-) There is ABSOLUTELY NO LAW that tells us that we can't send programs via Email The internet is a democracy, not a dictatorship. I will continue to send files over email... It doesn't hurt anyone!! > > Slow down... there is no reason to go and start crying to admins, it > > was a simple mistake... it was not some big conspiracy against you. > > Trust me, I don't go crying to admins. If you'll recall, an Admin complained > about that file being sent. I just converse with the group of admins I know > and things will get done if need be. Here we go again.... I'm sure that admins have more things to worry about than the problems of one person... WHY DON'T YOU JUST FORGET THE WHOLE THING? > > > Come on Alex I am sure you have better things to do than worry > > about a simple mistake... again I just want to state that I am sorry that > > this has caused you so much trouble and I agree that it should not have > > happened but it was a mistake and I think that you were just being way > > too hard on Scott... > > I think it would have been better had Michael included a note in the welcome > message stating all files are to be sent to Aminet either direct or Emailed > to HIM only. Not on the list. Why don't you ask him to??? > Alex... (Thats the way it SHOULD be.) Thats the way that HITLER would want the internet to be. Well, if you don't like things like this, the why don't you leave the list??? I don't think that many others were worried by the problem at all... and anyway, if you are not meant to send files over mail, why do so many programs support it??? I have to agree totally with Mike. You were far too hard on Scott.... Also, you must think about those people whom don't have internet access at all, only email...... IMHO there should be an optional list that you can subscribe to that people can send programs to.. OR an FTP site for AMOS programs ONLY.... Oh, and Alex, did you end up looking at Scott's programs??? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Reece preece@slick.clare.tased.edu.au paul_ree@asgard.clare.tased.edu.au Student & Network Assistant (UNIX) ds041@cleveland.freenet.edu Claremont College, Tasmania, Australia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---AMIGA 500 - 2 MB RAM - 2 DRIVES - KICKSTART 2.05 & 1.3 - ONLY AMIGA!!--- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 14 01:08:27 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA04703 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 01:08:21 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA23933; Tue, 14 Sep 93 01:06:45 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA29905 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 00:53:14 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA29901 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 00:53:12 -0400 Received: from bos3a.delphi.com by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA22986 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 00:53:10 -0400 Received: from bix.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.2-11 #4520) id <01H2X4E3E2JK8ZFCQF@delphi.com>; Tue, 14 Sep 1993 00:50:21 EDT Received: by bix.com (CoSy3.31.1.29) id <9309130501.memo.93425@BIX.com>; Mon, 13 Sep 1993 05:01:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 05:01:44 -0400 (EDT) From: sfmcnally@BIX.com Subject: Extention maker To: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: <9309130501.memo.93425@BIX.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Cosy-To: amos-list@access.digex.com Status: RO Well, I think it was on the newsletter/disk, so I doubt it's PD. Seumas From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Sep 13 23:11:08 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA19575 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 13 Sep 1993 23:11:01 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA11317; Mon, 13 Sep 93 23:09:27 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA29604 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Mon, 13 Sep 1993 22:53:50 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA29600 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 13 Sep 1993 22:53:49 -0400 Received: from sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA11464 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 13 Sep 1993 22:53:40 -0400 Received: from mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au (mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au [128.184.102.1]) by sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au (8.5/1.2) with SMTP id MAA25252; Tue, 14 Sep 1993 12:53:26 +1000 Received: by mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au (4.1/client-1.3) id AA05352; Tue, 14 Sep 93 12:53:24 EST Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1993 12:49:15 +1000 (EST) From: Scott Southurst Subject: Re: Files Via Email. To: LIST AMOS In-Reply-To: <747939352.AA10530@nsq.uucp> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO > Quite simply, files are NOT to be sent via Email around Usenet sites. And a What do all the following programs have in common?? Sendfile Pine Elm Uuencode/decode Well?? What do all these do?? I think they allow you to send files over the Usenet. Anyone name some more?? Probably not coz they are all figments of our imaginations.... (Eery Twighlight Zone Music) do do do do ... ||\ *********************************************** ./~ \ * Scott Southurst (maverick@deakin.edu.au) * ~~\ \ * Deakin University, Warrnambool, Australia * // \ * Aquatic Biology/Computer Programming * | \___/| * A500 - 1084s - 1meg - AMOS 1.34 - AMOS 3d * /~/~~ ___/ * Compiler - AND LOVING IT!! (Soon A1200??) * ~~~~~~~~ *********************************************** From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Sep 13 23:21:10 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA24339 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 13 Sep 1993 23:21:04 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA12519; Mon, 13 Sep 93 23:19:38 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA29610 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Mon, 13 Sep 1993 22:59:07 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA29606 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 13 Sep 1993 22:59:05 -0400 Received: from cs.uwa.edu.au (bilby.cs.uwa.oz.au) by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA14028 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 13 Sep 1993 22:59:01 -0400 Received: from kultarr.cs.uwa.oz.au by cs.uwa.edu.au (4.1/SMI-4.0+cs.uwa-1.0) id AA19781; Tue, 14 Sep 93 10:58:27 WST Message-Id: <9309140258.AA19781@cs.uwa.edu.au> Received: by kultarr.cs.uwa.oz.au (4.1/SMI-3.2) id AA27442; Tue, 14 Sep 93 10:58:29 WST From: woolto_c@cs.uwa.edu.au (Zodiac) Subject: test To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Tue, 14 Sep 93 10:58:28 WST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL9] Status: RO This is a test. If you get this can you please reply me. Thanx, Carl. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 14 01:28:37 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA19304 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 01:28:31 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA25784; Tue, 14 Sep 93 01:27:04 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA29961 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 01:15:12 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA29957 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 01:15:06 -0400 Received: from relay1.UU.NET by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA09073 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 01:14:54 -0400 Received: from spectre.uunet.ca by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA27235; Tue, 14 Sep 93 01:14:51 -0400 Received: from web.apc.org ([142.77.253.8]) by spectre.uunet.ca with SMTP id <2735(1)>; Tue, 14 Sep 1993 01:14:45 -0400 Received: from becker by web.apc.org with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0ocSe0-0001P3C; Tue, 14 Sep 93 05:09 GMT Received: by becker.GTS.ORG (smail2.5/bdb-15Aug90) id AA11770; Tue, 14 Sep 93 01:08:57 EDT (-0400) Subject: Re: Files Via Email. To: PAUL_REE@asgard.clare.tased.edu.au (Paul Reece) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1993 23:36:27 -0400 From: Alex Howell Cc: bdb%becker@uunet.uu.net, amos-list@access.digex.net In-Reply-To: ; from "Paul Reece" at Sep 14, 93 6:54 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11 913261353] Message-Id: <747977787.AA11226@nsq.uucp> Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2620 Status: RO > Fair enough, but don't flame people in the process... That's not going to fix > anything - What was that old saying?? - "Two wrongs don't make a right" I didn't flame him. Had I flamed him, you would have known... > Who says that Michael would want these files to his personal account all of > the time??? He has a life too, I'm sure ;-) *I* sure didn't want those files in MY personal account. Same goes for me, so why DID *I* get them? (More about that later.) > There is ABSOLUTELY NO LAW that tells us that we can't send programs via Email There is with Usenet. Which a lot of local sites in Canada get these feeds through. > The internet is a democracy, not a dictatorship. I will continue to send > files over email... It doesn't hurt anyone!! I'm not talking about internet am I? > Here we go again.... I'm sure that admins have more things to worry about > than the problems of one person... WHY DON'T YOU JUST FORGET THE WHOLE THING? I can't. I never can. Reason being. I didn't WANT those files, I didn't CARE for them. I didn't want to go through the BS that day to read my mail. > Thats the way that HITLER would want the internet to be. > > Well, if you don't like things like this, the why don't you leave the list??? > I don't think that many others were worried by the problem at all... and > anyway, if you are not meant to send files over mail, why do so many programs > support it??? I joined this list because it was a DISCUSSION list. Not a FILE list. Was I wrong? > I have to agree totally with Mike. You were far too hard on Scott.... Also, > you must think about those people whom don't have internet access at all, only > email...... Most of those people who DON'T have internet access have Usenet access, where mail transfers aren't generally allowed, due to small systems along the way. (Like local private ones.) > IMHO there should be an optional list that you can subscribe to that people > can send programs to.. OR an FTP site for AMOS programs ONLY.... An excellent idea. But still, those files on a said list (Say Amos Files), should make it to an FTP site. [Because countless others could benefit from them being there. (Why be list selfish.)] > Oh, and Alex, did you end up looking at Scott's programs??? Ah, no. It had to be nuked before I could read any of my mail. It caused the temp drive to fill up when I tried to read my mail. Had to copy the entire mail file over to the other drive, nuke the large one and move it back, so I could read the REST of my mail. That message hit the bit basket before it saw the light of day. Alex... From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 14 02:44:30 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA27494 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 02:44:28 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA01783; Tue, 14 Sep 93 02:43:02 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA00186 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 02:29:45 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA00182 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 02:29:43 -0400 Received: from peladon.rmit.OZ.AU by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA13420 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 02:29:37 -0400 Received: from minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU by peladon.rmit.OZ.AU with SMTP id AA24800 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 16:29:28 +1000 Received: by minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU From: s921878@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (Daniel John Lee Parnell) Message-Id: <9309140629.20828@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU> Subject: Re: Files Via Email. To: amos-list@access.digex.net (amos Amos Mailing List) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1993 16:29:36 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 561 Status: RO G'day! > I joined this list because it was a DISCUSSION list. Not a FILE list. Was > I wrong? I hope you are wrong, because I _WANT_ files. It's all very well and good to have discussion, but if nothing is done with it whats the point? Daniel Daniel Parnell - Email to s921878@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au - AMIGA 500 1 MEG Second Year Applied Physics student at R.M.I.T. Melbourne Australia. *:|() People who drink petrol shouldn't smoke. AMOS 1.34 with Compiler and 3D Squaxx Dek Thargo since prog 579 - C64 Oric Amiga Mac CCPM - Forth From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 14 05:19:32 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA16258 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 05:19:29 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA11738; Tue, 14 Sep 93 05:17:05 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA00466 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 05:03:12 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA00462 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 05:03:10 -0400 Received: from bos1a.delphi.com (delphi.com) by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA01790 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 05:03:09 -0400 Received: from bix.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.2-11 #4520) id <01H2XD6FN5A88ZFCQF@delphi.com>; Tue, 14 Sep 1993 05:02:17 EDT Received: by bix.com (CoSy3.31.1.29) id <9309140432.memo.95615@BIX.com>; Tue, 14 Sep 1993 04:32:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1993 04:32:56 -0400 (EDT) From: sfmcnally@BIX.com Subject: stuff To: Amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: <9309140432.memo.95615@BIX.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Cosy-To: Amos-list@access.digex.com Status: RO Well, I can get files off of FTP, but I can't put em up. Not everyone has FTP, one or two ways. And allso, as someone suggested, I *CAN'T* get a new mail program, I don't USE a mail program, I don't think I CAN use one, I'm on BIX. Not that BIX is bad, just maybe it can't do everything that everyone expects everyone has! (And Bix dopesn't care what size msg's are sent, people can send 2mb files for all I care, though I probly won't use a gile that big. ;) Seumas From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 14 00:09:44 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA21818 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 00:09:39 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA17985; Tue, 14 Sep 93 00:08:06 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA29730 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Mon, 13 Sep 1993 23:44:31 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA29726 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 13 Sep 1993 23:44:25 -0400 Received: from diemen.utas.edu.au by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA05926 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 13 Sep 1993 23:44:19 -0400 Received: from ecc.tased.edu.au (zaphod.ecc.tased.edu.AU) by diemen.utas.edu.au with SMTP id AA13628 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 13:44:15 +1000 Received: from slick.clare.tased.edu.au by ecc.tased.edu.au (PMDF #3100 ) id <01H2XVEE7LXS8ZDWJM@ecc.tased.edu.au>; Tue, 14 Sep 1993 13:44:04 +1000 Received: from charon1.clare.tased.edu.au by slick.clare.tased.edu.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24141; Tue, 14 Sep 93 13:39:49 EST Received: From ASGARD/WORKQUEUE by charon1.clare.tased.edu.au via Charon-4.0-VROOM with IPX id 100.930914134821.448; 14 Sep 93 13:43:06 -1100 Date: 14 Sep 93 13:46:57 GMT+10 From: Paul Reece Subject: Re: Files Via Email. To: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: amos-list@access.digex.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v2.1b. Status: RO > > Quite simply, files are NOT to be sent via Email around Usenet sites. And a > > What do all the following programs have in common?? > > Sendfile > Pine > Elm > Uuencode/decode Well?? What do all these do?? What about PegasusMail, Binhex, Mime, BTOA etc.. We must remember that the internet is a dictatorship though, so all of the above means nothing... (Gee, they'll have the KGB onto us next...) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Reece preece@slick.clare.tased.edu.au paul_ree@asgard.clare.tased.edu.au Student & Network Assistant (UNIX) ds041@cleveland.freenet.edu Claremont College, Tasmania, Australia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---AMIGA 500 - 2 MB RAM - 2 DRIVES - KICKSTART 2.05 & 1.3 - ONLY AMIGA!!--- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 14 02:28:13 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA12009 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 02:28:04 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA00442; Tue, 14 Sep 93 02:26:35 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA00139 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 02:06:15 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA00135 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 02:06:02 -0400 Received: from diemen.utas.edu.au by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA20719 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 02:05:49 -0400 Received: from ecc.tased.edu.au (zaphod.ecc.tased.edu.AU) by diemen.utas.edu.au with SMTP id AA20619 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 16:05:44 +1000 Received: from slick.clare.tased.edu.au by ecc.tased.edu.au (PMDF #3100 ) id <01H2Y0CSHR1S8ZDZV1@ecc.tased.edu.au>; Tue, 14 Sep 1993 16:05:34 +1000 Received: from charon1.clare.tased.edu.au by slick.clare.tased.edu.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24223; Tue, 14 Sep 93 16:01:16 EST Received: From ASGARD/WORKQUEUE by charon1.clare.tased.edu.au via Charon-4.0-VROOM with IPX id 100.930914160451.288; 14 Sep 93 16:04:33 -1100 Date: 14 Sep 93 16:04:06 GMT+10 From: Paul Reece Subject: Re: Files Via Email & Usenet To: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: amos-list@access.digex.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v2.1b. Status: RO > > Fair enough, but don't flame people in the process... That's not going to fix > > anything - What was that old saying?? - "Two wrongs don't make a right" > > I didn't flame him. Had I flamed him, you would have known... Would I????? > *I* sure didn't want those files in MY personal account. Same goes for me, > so why DID *I* get them? (More about that later.) > > > There is ABSOLUTELY NO LAW that tells us that we can't send programs via Email > > There is with Usenet. Which a lot of local sites in Canada get these feeds > through. Sorry, but I think that you are confused: Internet is what it is called. Usenet is the internet news system!!!! You just use UUCP (Which doesn't stand for Usenet!!) Think about it:- If there is a rule/law that says that you can't send files via email, would you please direct me to the relevant RFC or document.... > > The internet is a democracy, not a dictatorship. I will continue to send > > files over email... It doesn't hurt anyone!! > > I'm not talking about internet am I? Yes you are. The file was sent onto the internet. > > Here we go again.... I'm sure that admins have more things to worry about > > than the problems of one person... WHY DON'T YOU JUST FORGET THE WHOLE THING? > > I can't. I never can. Reason being. I didn't WANT those files, I didn't > CARE for them. I didn't want to go through the BS that day to read my mail. So?? Forgive and forget I say - Acting like you are acting won't help anything... > > Thats the way that HITLER would want the internet to be. > > > > Well, if you don't like things like this, the why don't you leave the list??? > > I don't think that many others were worried by the problem at all... and > > anyway, if you are not meant to send files over mail, why do so many programs > > support it??? > > I joined this list because it was a DISCUSSION list. Not a FILE list. Was > I wrong? Discussion.... Didn't you realise that people WANTED people to send programs to the list??? > > I have to agree totally with Mike. You were far too hard on Scott.... Also, > > you must think about those people whom don't have internet access at all, only > > email...... > > Most of those people who DON'T have internet access have Usenet access, where > mail transfers aren't generally allowed, due to small systems along the way. > (Like local private ones.) THAT IS UUCP!!! > > IMHO there should be an optional list that you can subscribe to that people > > can send programs to.. OR an FTP site for AMOS programs ONLY.... > > An excellent idea. But still, those files on a said list (Say Amos Files), > should make it to an FTP site. [Because countless others could benefit from > them being there. (Why be list selfish.)] > > Oh, and Alex, did you end up looking at Scott's programs??? > > Ah, no. It had to be nuked before I could read any of my mail. It caused > the temp drive to fill up when I tried to read my mail. Had to copy the entire > mail file over to the other drive, nuke the large one and move it back, so I > could read the REST of my mail. That message hit the bit basket before it > saw the light of day. Ok. Oh, and who was it in the CC field that you sent this to??? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Reece preece@slick.clare.tased.edu.au paul_ree@asgard.clare.tased.edu.au Student & Network Assistant (UNIX) ds041@cleveland.freenet.edu Claremont College, Tasmania, Australia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---AMIGA 500 - 2 MB RAM - 2 DRIVES - KICKSTART 2.05 & 1.3 - ONLY AMIGA!!--- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Sep 13 23:30:49 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA29035 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 13 Sep 1993 23:30:45 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA13831; Mon, 13 Sep 93 23:29:14 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA29661 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Mon, 13 Sep 1993 23:17:59 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA29657 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 13 Sep 1993 23:17:58 -0400 Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA22701 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 13 Sep 1993 23:17:46 -0400 Received: from elms.concept.com.au (actually 192.132.41.250) by bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au with SMTP (PP); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 13:16:48 +1000 Received: by elms.concept.com.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15845; Tue, 14 Sep 93 13:16:42 EST Date: Tue, 14 Sep 93 13:16:42 EST From: Tom Plackowski Message-Id: <9309140316.AA15845@elms.concept.com.au> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: AMOSTRIS. Status: RO >I was just wondering if people who actually tried this program (YES THE >REALLY BIG ONE) could email me and tell me:- >What machine (A500, A1200 etc.) A2000 >What they thought of it. (How it ran, ie. On The faster machines it may Ran fine! Speed was good (not too fast!). Blocks flicker a lot when dropping (especially when fast). I haven't had the time to try to fix this. I like the idea of a faster drop rate attracting bonus points. I found that I started to look forward to the fast sections. // Tom From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 14 02:18:05 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA02290 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 02:18:04 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA29750; Tue, 14 Sep 93 02:16:38 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA00148 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 02:06:17 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA00142 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 02:06:16 -0400 Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA21088 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 02:06:14 -0400 Received: from elms.concept.com.au (actually 192.132.41.250) by bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au with SMTP (PP); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 16:06:00 +1000 Received: by elms.concept.com.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18717; Tue, 14 Sep 93 16:06:05 EST Date: Tue, 14 Sep 93 16:06:05 EST From: Tom Plackowski Message-Id: <9309140606.AA18717@elms.concept.com.au> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Files Via Email. Status: RO [ Alex Howell complains, and is rebuked ] Yawn. Does anyone have anything to say about AMOS? For example, is anyone writing a 'skidmarks' clone? Perhaps there are 800 different car images - they could do with a little retouching though. And its funny how they float above their shadows. I like they way the graphics of the track degrade as you play - the edges seem to get worn away, and you get tracks on the grass and banks. // Tom From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 14 07:58:56 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA12599 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 07:58:51 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA20714; Tue, 14 Sep 93 07:58:32 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA00852 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 07:42:15 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA00845 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 07:42:13 -0400 Received: by access.digex.net id AA02747 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list@access.digex.com); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 07:42:11 -0400 From: Michael 'AMOS' Cox Message-Id: <199309141142.AA02747@access.digex.net> Subject: Arguments To: amos-list@access.digex.net (AMOS Mailing List) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1993 07:42:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1393 Status: O Please take all arguments to email, not this list. If people send files, there is nothing I can do to stop them except delete them from the list, but that is after they have already done the sending. So, do not send large files. Can we agree that a large file is larger than 4k?? I am not an administer, per se, I am just someone providing a service. So, why can't we all get along? ;) Anyway, I have been busy and for the next 2 weeks I will either die from work or become a vegetable so don't expect me to do any punishing, administering, etc. until after that. Even then, I won't do much except code and hopefully have some AMOS discussions via this list. As for Cc to amos-list and the author of a message, that is for everyone else to decide. Just let people know to not CC to both. I do wish everyone will send it to the list at the very least and hopefully the author of the original message will realize it is a reply to him. Quote messages, where possible, but do not quote everything if it is not needed. Thanks you for your support.... Anyone have any good AI routines for wargames?? Mike -- Michael Cox Work: mcox@access.digex.com Amiga Conquers, AMOS Rules! Play: aj639@cleveland.freenet.edu This space intentionally left blank Fido: 1:109/456.0 The text above is my own and all that other disclaimer junk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 14 08:08:04 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA18374 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 08:08:03 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA21537; Tue, 14 Sep 93 08:07:43 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA00891 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 07:49:42 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA00887 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 07:49:41 -0400 Received: from uni-paderborn.de by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA07002 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 07:49:37 -0400 Received: from formentera.uni-paderborn.de by uni-paderborn.de with SMTP id AA08251 (5.65c8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 13:49:29 +0200 Received: by formentera.uni-paderborn.de id AA06103 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for amos-list@access.digex.com); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 13:49:24 +0200 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1993 13:49:24 +0200 From: Tjark Kalow Message-Id: <199309141149.AA06103@formentera.uni-paderborn.de> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Files Via Email. In-Reply-To: References: Status: O Hello Paul, On , September 14, 93 you wrote about the subject 'Re: Files Via Email.': > Thats the way that HITLER would want the internet to be. If you say things like that you're no better than Alex' mail. Alex and a few responsers, please stop argueing on the list. If you want to keep on, do it over PM. And Alex, if you don't recognize that you've been too harsh, then don't wonder about similar answers. Couldn't we all agree that software should be announced on the list with a remark that it can be mailed to those who want it? And it should also go to Aminet, if the sender has access to ftp. Little pieces of code included as text should be no problem. Like this: Do Print "Please stay polite!" Loop Greetings, Tjark -- This is a typical case, whom we shall refer to as Mr. A, although his real name is this: +----------------------------------------------------------------+ Name: Tjark Kalow E-Mail: tjark@uni-paderborn.de Address: Thorenknick 6 33100 Paderborn Country: Germany Tel.: 0 52 52 / 39 12 (phone answering system) Computer: AMIGA 500 KS1.2 1MB w. 2 drives Occupation: Student +----------------------------------------------------------------+ From mart4678@mach1.wlu.ca Tue Sep 14 09:48:05 1993 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA05020 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 09:48:03 -0400 Received: from mach1.wlu.ca by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA01390 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 09:48:01 -0400 Received: by mach1.wlu.ca (5.65/1.35) id AA25102; Tue, 14 Sep 93 09:46:43 -0400 From: mart4678@mach1.wlu.ca (Phil Martin u) Message-Id: <9309141346.AA25102@mach1.wlu.ca> Subject: Re: test To: amos-request@svcs1.digex.net (Zodiac) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 93 9:46:42 EDT In-Reply-To: <9309140258.AA19781@cs.uwa.edu.au>; from "Zodiac" at Sep 14, 93 10:58 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL13] Status: RO > > This is a test. > > If you get this can you please reply me. > Hi. Got it. > Thanx, > > Carl. > Phil Martin. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 14 13:09:08 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA03258 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 13:09:05 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA09519; Tue, 14 Sep 93 13:07:49 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA02508 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 12:01:34 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA02504 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 12:01:31 -0400 Received: from sun4nl.nluug.nl by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA23360 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 12:01:27 -0400 Received: from suns16c10 by sun4nl.nluug.nl via EUnet id AA14865 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 18:01:23 +0200 Received: from suns30.signaal by hgl.signaal.nl (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26740; Tue, 14 Sep 93 17:33:40 +0200 Received: from suns16c10.signaal by suns30.signaal (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19051; Tue, 14 Sep 93 17:34:54 +0200 Received: by suns16c10.signaal (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27633; Tue, 14 Sep 93 17:34:43 +0200 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 93 17:34:43 +0200 From: jp_dejong@hgl.signaal.nl (Jong J.P. de) Message-Id: <9309141534.AA27633@suns16c10.signaal> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Mail to S92406161@hsepm1.hse.nl bounces Status: RO Real subject: Beurs Eindhoven (in the Netherlands). The text is meant for Dave 'DOPEX' Vissers, so if you don't understand it, don't worry its (double) Dutch. We gaan waarschijnlijk zaterdag 25 september. Omdat we vanuit Hengelo (0verijssel) komen zullen we er om ongeveer 10.30 uur zijn. Ik denk dat we dan met z'n vieren zijn: twee collega's, mijn zoon en ik. Die collega's zijn ook lid van AMOS nederland en ook AMOS Pro compiler bezitters. Hier werken we met een heel groot netwerk met SUN's en e-mail is (en dat zie ik niet veranderen) de enige manier om naar buiten te komen. Joop de Jong DNCS-Systems Paul Pellastraat 146 7558 HK Hengelo (jp_dejong@hgl.signaal.nl) Hollandse Signaalapparaten B.V. ========================[ Unclassified ]========================= De vorige pogingen strandden met: Too many hops 19 (max is 17)??? From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 14 18:02:16 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA18061 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 18:02:15 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA00591; Tue, 14 Sep 93 18:01:51 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA07444 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 17:47:47 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA07440 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 17:47:45 -0400 Received: from vax.mbhs.edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA15787 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 17:47:38 -0400 Message-Id: <199309142147.AA15787@access.digex.net> Date: 14 Sep 93 17:51:00 EST From: "Andrew Church" <95ACHURCH@vax.mbhs.edu> Subject: Procedure library To: "amos-list" Status: RO I have received one response to the idea of having a procedures library, and it was a positive one, so I think I will go ahead. If you have any procedures that you think could be useful, mail them to me. Every few months (depending on how much I get) I'll upload the new procedures to Aminet, and I'll occasionally send the whole library in (so that people don't have to download too many updates to get to the most recent version of the library. How does this sound to everyone? Any comments or suggestions? --Andy Church From mart4678@mach1.wlu.ca Tue Sep 14 18:57:01 1993 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA25507 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 18:56:58 -0400 Received: from mach1.wlu.ca by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA09160 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 18:56:55 -0400 Received: by mach1.wlu.ca (5.65/1.35) id AA18693; Tue, 14 Sep 93 18:55:39 -0400 From: mart4678@mach1.wlu.ca (Phil Martin u) Message-Id: <9309142255.AA18693@mach1.wlu.ca> Subject: Re: Procedure library To: amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Date: Tue, 14 Sep 93 18:55:38 EDT In-Reply-To: <199309142147.AA15787@access.digex.net>; from "Andrew Church" at Sep 14, 93 5:51 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL13] Status: RO > > I have received one response to the idea of having a procedures library, and > it was a positive one, so I think I will go ahead. > > How does this sound to everyone? Any comments or suggestions? Go for it. It sounds like a good idea... > > --Andy Church > Phil Martin. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 14 19:09:23 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA28110 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 19:09:20 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA10484; Tue, 14 Sep 93 19:09:01 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA09172 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 18:58:06 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA09168 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 18:58:04 -0400 Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA25654 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 18:58:01 -0400 Received: from elms.concept.com.au (actually 192.132.41.250) by bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au with SMTP (PP); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 08:57:51 +1000 Received: by elms.concept.com.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21118; Wed, 15 Sep 93 08:58:03 EST Date: Wed, 15 Sep 93 08:58:03 EST From: Tom Plackowski Message-Id: <9309142258.AA21118@elms.concept.com.au> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Procedures library Status: RO > I have received one response to the idea of having a procedures library, and >it was a positive one, so I think I will go ahead. Might as well. Lets see what happens. > If you have any procedures that you think could be useful, mail them to me. > ... > How does this sound to everyone? Any comments or suggestions? All we need access to is a good index of the procedures.. ie, what they do, how big, how fast, which version of AMOS, ... // Tom From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 14 20:07:26 1993 Received: from po.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA04846 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 20:07:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from svcs1.digex.net by po.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.9.3) id AA04735; Tue, 14 Sep 93 20:07:00 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA09546 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 19:39:51 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA09542 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 19:39:47 -0400 Received: from sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA01028 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 19:39:40 -0400 Received: from mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au (mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au [128.184.102.1]) by sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au (8.5/1.2) with SMTP id JAA16050; Wed, 15 Sep 1993 09:39:33 +1000 Received: by mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au (4.1/client-1.3) id AA06823; Wed, 15 Sep 93 09:39:31 EST Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1993 09:37:59 +1000 (EST) From: Scott Southurst Subject: Re: AMOSTRIS. To: LIST AMOS In-Reply-To: <9309140316.AA15845@elms.concept.com.au> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO > I like the idea of a faster drop rate attracting bonus points. I found that > I started to look forward to the fast sections. I have to admit that it is kinda addictive (If you can stand that kind of game). Ive also gotta admit that you don't look forward to the fast section when you have blocks piled up to the "roof" 8). ||\ *********************************************** ./~ \ * Scott Southurst (maverick@deakin.edu.au) * ~~\ \ * Deakin University, Warrnambool, Australia * // \ * Aquatic Biology/Computer Programming * | \___/| * A500 - 1084s - 1meg - AMOS 1.34 - AMOS 3d * /~/~~ ___/ * Compiler - AND LOVING IT!! (Soon A1200??) * ~~~~~~~~ *********************************************** From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 14 20:19:40 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA05969 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 20:19:37 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA19135; Tue, 14 Sep 93 20:19:19 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA09715 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 20:09:08 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA09711 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 20:09:07 -0400 Received: from sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA05018 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 20:08:57 -0400 Received: from mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au (mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au [128.184.102.1]) by sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au (8.5/1.2) with SMTP id KAA19855; Wed, 15 Sep 1993 10:08:47 +1000 Received: by mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au (4.1/client-1.3) id AA09005; Wed, 15 Sep 93 10:08:44 EST Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1993 10:00:07 +1000 (EST) From: Scott Southurst Subject: AMOSTRIS part 2... To: LIST AMOS Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Ok. Ive received a few responses concerning my program, what it runs on etc. and can say the following in summary... >From memory... 1/ The block flicker because I didn't really bother about the Vblank etc. I figured at the time that the program wouldn't need to be to fancy or anything like that. Perhaps it could be due to the use of Bar ... to draw the blocks. 2/ The actual program only took about 3 hours to write (Alot more to test) and was written in 1991 (early i think). If I remember correctly I had only ever played tetris once or twice before I got the idea to write it. 3/ So far I know that it runs on A500 and A2000. Anyone run it on A600, A1200 or A4000?? Or even A3000/2500/1000 etc. 4/ Has anyone actually managed to fix the flicker in the scroll yet?? 5/ Maybe one day Ill fix the block flicker, and use sprites instead. ||\ *********************************************** ./~ \ * Scott Southurst (maverick@deakin.edu.au) * ~~\ \ * Deakin University, Warrnambool, Australia * // \ * Aquatic Biology/Computer Programming * | \___/| * A500 - 1084s - 1meg - AMOS 1.34 - AMOS 3d * /~/~~ ___/ * Compiler - AND LOVING IT!! (Soon A1200??) * ~~~~~~~~ *********************************************** PS. ALEX ... If your mail can't handle a BIG file then why does your server accept them??? From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 14 21:16:26 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA12345 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 21:16:22 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA25767; Tue, 14 Sep 93 21:16:00 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA10890 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 21:06:52 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA10886 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 21:06:50 -0400 Received: from vax.mbhs.edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA11156 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 21:06:46 -0400 Message-Id: <199309150106.AA11156@access.digex.net> Date: 14 Sep 93 20:59:00 EST From: "Andrew Church" <95ACHURCH@vax.mbhs.edu> Subject: Procedure library To: "amos-list" Status: RO Well, having received some suggestions and comments, looking at them, and then completely disregarding them :-) , I thought I'd let you all know exactly how I'm going to work this. I will take any procedures posted to the AMOS Mailing List, as well as any procedures sent to me for inclusion in the library, and archive them at home on my Amiga. Once I have received a reasonable number of procedures, I will upload the archive to Aminet. Included in the archive will be the procedures themselves (of course!) in AMOS file format, organized by function, e.g. Audio, Text, etc. Also included will be a list of the procedures in the library, in alphabetical order by subject, with a description of the procedure, its parameters, and its return value (if any), and the name of the submitter and the date the procedure was posted/mailed; as well as a shorter list, consisting of the procedure name, calling syntax, and a one-line description. After this, I will release later-received procedures in "update" archives; that is, just the procedures received since the last update was uploaded to Aminet. Periodically, I will upload the full library, just to spare people the headache of getting a lot of updates. Depending on how quickly the procedures come in, I have tentatively planned to upload the initial archive on the 1st of November. When I do upload it, and also when I release the updates, I will announce it to the list, including the "short" list of the procedures contained in the archive. Note that all material in the archive will be freely redistributable; if you don't like this, don't send me procedures. I assume that anything posted to the list is intended to be freely redistributable. (After all, you've just freely distributed it to hundreds of people, right?) Let's see those procedures, and happy programming! --Andy Church From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 14 23:02:56 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA27938 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 23:02:49 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA06678; Tue, 14 Sep 93 23:01:21 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA11184 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 22:47:34 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA11180 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 22:47:32 -0400 Received: from cs.uwa.edu.au (bilby.cs.uwa.oz.au) by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA21474 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 22:47:24 -0400 Received: from kultarr.cs.uwa.oz.au by cs.uwa.edu.au (4.1/SMI-4.0+cs.uwa-1.0) id AA14955; Wed, 15 Sep 93 10:37:57 WST Message-Id: <9309150237.AA14955@cs.uwa.edu.au> Received: by kultarr.cs.uwa.oz.au (4.1/SMI-3.2) id AA04498; Wed, 15 Sep 93 10:37:56 WST From: woolto_c@cs.uwa.edu.au (Zodiac) Subject: Amos bugs, and thankyous To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Wed, 15 Sep 93 10:37:55 WST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL9] Status: RO Gday all, Thanks to those who replied to my test message. I've been having a lot of problems mailing to this address but finally it seems I'm able to (that is what the test was for =). Now, down to business. At present, I'm using Amos 1.3 (I think, it's the one that was distributed on the cover of The One magazine...) and I've been writing a 3d-vector program (I have no idea where it's heading though...I just HAD to do it!) and in doing so I found a bug in the MOD operator. It seems MOD works well for positive numbers, but it incorrect for negatives. For instance, (-1)MOD m should give m-1 for all m but it doesn't. I know, you can get around this but I hate crappy looking code.... Another bug I found is with the arccos function (hold on...but you don't NEED arccos for vectors.....well, tis fixed now but still). When you feed in very small values (order of about 1*10^-7) it returns ludicrous values. tsk tsk! That's all for now dudes, I gotta read nn yet. Carl. Catcha on the flip side guys! -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "If you wanna be in my gang, stand up with me. We'll start a revolution, and make the streets free. We'll never weaken, we'll give it our best. Can't be defeated, we're better than the rest." - Rose Tattoo : 'We Can't be Beaten'. "So tell the whole world I'm not me I'm someone else and he's gone with me too." - Nik Kershaw : 'Gone to Pieces'. +------------------+ | Carl Wooltorton. | +------------------+ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 14 22:46:32 1993 Received: from po.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA21356 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 22:46:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from svcs1.digex.net by po.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.9.3) id AA18435; Tue, 14 Sep 93 22:46:04 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA11043 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 22:25:58 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA11039 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 22:25:56 -0400 Received: from vax.mbhs.edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA19732 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 22:25:54 -0400 Message-Id: <199309150225.AA19732@access.digex.net> Date: 14 Sep 93 22:29:00 EST From: "Andrew Church" <95ACHURCH@vax.mbhs.edu> Subject: Re: Procedure library To: "amos-list" Status: RO >Are you going to start with stuff that has already been posted, or just new >stuff? Considering that I just came up with this idea a few days ago, I'll have to start with new stuff, unless somebody can point me to an archive of the AMOS list. --Andy Church From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Sep 15 04:30:05 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA19834 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 04:30:00 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA01810; Wed, 15 Sep 93 04:28:34 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA12192 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 04:18:25 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA12188 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 04:18:21 -0400 Received: from mailgate.ericsson.se by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA07209 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 04:18:16 -0400 Received: from eua.ericsson.se by mailgate.ericsson.se (4.1/SMI-4.1-MAILGATE1.14) id AA27123; Wed, 15 Sep 93 10:18:08 +0200 Received: from ms.eua.ericsson.se by eua.ericsson.se (4.1/EUA-2.1) id AA02974; Wed, 15 Sep 93 10:16:25 +0200 Received: from euax1i6c18.eua.ericsson.se by ms.eua.ericsson.se (4.1/MS-2.1) id AA20371; Wed, 15 Sep 93 10:16:24 +0200 From: Per.Lundholm@eua.ericsson.se (Per Lundholm) Received: by euax1i6c18.eua.ericsson.se (4.1/client-1.3) id AA07243; Wed, 15 Sep 93 10:16:23 +0200 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 93 10:16:23 +0200 Message-Id: <9309150816.AA07243@euax1i6c18.eua.ericsson.se> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Programs Status: RO > > I can't find the dir or the prog. > Sorry, it's in gfx/anims. I've found the dir... but ... > > > > > How reailble are the mirrors? I used one in Berlin. > > When did you upload? > > It's been about 8 months since I uploaded, I'm pretty sure you'll find it > on all of the sites now that you know what directory to look in... > > BTW- I hope that this isn't an insult to your intelligence, but since I > just caught on to it myself, I'll share it with you. Well, I can take that. I'm to stupid to understand that it is an insult on my intelligence :->. > > Finding things on aminet is a _lot_ easier if you download the file SHORT > (in the root aminet directory) and then use grep (a Unix command) on it > to find what you're looking for. Here's an example: > > grep -i Curiosity SHORT > > Curiosity.lzh gfx/anim 638K+The Curiosity Demo from Heavy Artillery. > That's what I did. But I used LONG instead and Emacs. I've downloaded LONG from two different AmiNet sites and there's a hell of a difference between them. None of them carry the program in question. The sites where: Germany ftp.uni-kl.de 131.246.9.95 pub/aminet/ Germany ftp.cs.tu-berlin.de 130.149.17.7 pub/aminet/ The first has LONG which is 105 kbytes while the other is 287 kbytes. What's wrong? The use of LONG? May your hopes not be in vain. Per From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Sep 15 04:59:11 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA19537 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 04:59:09 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA03421; Wed, 15 Sep 93 04:57:43 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA12205 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 04:48:06 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA12201 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 04:48:04 -0400 Received: from faw.uni-ulm.de by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA08988 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 04:48:01 -0400 Received: from sun30.faw.uni-ulm.de by faw.uni-ulm.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA18243; Wed, 15 Sep 1993 10:47:24 +0200 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1993 10:47:24 +0200 From: amthauer@faw.uni-ulm.de (Heiner Amthauer) Message-Id: <9309150847.AA18243@faw.uni-ulm.de> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: re: Programms In-Reply-To: Mail from 'Per.Lundholm@eua.ericsson.se (Per Lundholm)' dated: Wed, 15 Sep 93 10:16:23 +0200 Status: RO There's an other easy way to find programms on aminet. Join IRC (bye typing 'irc' :) and ask mama about the files (e.g. /msg mama find amos). She will tell ya the dir. with dcc you can also get files from mama (e.g. /msg mama get lturbo16.lha /dcc get mama lturbo16.lha). Files displayed by mama can normaly found on ftp.luth.se . Otherwise she will tell ya where to find it. Btw. mama does not find Curiosity. For more help do /help on irc. greetings ------------------------------------------------------------ Heiner Amthauer email: amthauer@faw.uni-ulm.de / __ / / __ / / ___ / / / / / / / ___/ / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / ____ __/ / / / / / / / _____/ __/ _____/ __/ ______/ __/ ______/ IRC: IceMc (RaytraceMan) ------------------------------------------------------------ PS: Geoff - sorry had no time to look for the interface, yet. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 14 21:08:14 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA11297 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 21:08:11 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA24634; Tue, 14 Sep 93 21:07:48 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA10789 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 20:55:57 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA10777 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 20:55:49 -0400 Received: from diemen.utas.edu.au by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA09516 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 20:55:43 -0400 Received: from ecc.tased.edu.au (zaphod.ecc.tased.edu.AU) by diemen.utas.edu.au with SMTP id AA02078 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 10:55:38 +1000 Received: from slick.clare.tased.edu.au by ecc.tased.edu.au (PMDF #3100 ) id <01H2Z3SQ0DMO8ZE0MZ@ecc.tased.edu.au>; Wed, 15 Sep 1993 10:55:29 +1000 Received: from charon1.clare.tased.edu.au by slick.clare.tased.edu.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25004; Wed, 15 Sep 93 10:51:10 EST Received: From ASGARD/WORKQUEUE by charon1.clare.tased.edu.au via Charon-4.0-VROOM with IPX id 100.930915105938.320; 15 Sep 93 10:54:28 -1100 Date: 15 Sep 93 10:54:42 GMT+10 From: Paul Reece Subject: Re: Files Via Email. To: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: amos-list@access.digex.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v2.1b. Status: RO > G'day! > > I joined this list because it was a DISCUSSION list. Not a FILE list. Was > > I wrong? > I hope you are wrong, because I _WANT_ files. It's all very well and > good to have discussion, but if nothing is done with it whats the point? > > Daniel Here Here!!! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Reece preece@slick.clare.tased.edu.au paul_ree@asgard.clare.tased.edu.au Student & Network Assistant (UNIX) ds041@cleveland.freenet.edu Claremont College, Tasmania, Australia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---AMIGA 500 - 2 MB RAM - 2 DRIVES - KICKSTART 2.05 & 1.3 - ONLY AMIGA!!--- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Sep 15 10:07:07 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA10734 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 10:07:05 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA26161; Wed, 15 Sep 93 10:05:59 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA13478 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 09:55:10 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA13474 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 09:55:08 -0400 Received: from faw.uni-ulm.de by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA05200 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 09:55:03 -0400 Received: from sun30.faw.uni-ulm.de by faw.uni-ulm.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA06038; Wed, 15 Sep 1993 15:54:21 +0200 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1993 15:54:21 +0200 From: amthauer@faw.uni-ulm.de (Heiner Amthauer) Message-Id: <9309151354.AA06038@faw.uni-ulm.de> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: next mail Status: RO Folks ! Attention ! the next mail is a file ! 4k size. greetings Heiner From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Sep 15 10:26:57 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA20029 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 10:26:55 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA29438; Wed, 15 Sep 93 10:26:37 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA13528 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 10:12:42 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA13524 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 10:12:40 -0400 Received: from faw.uni-ulm.de by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA13097 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 10:12:25 -0400 Received: from sun30.faw.uni-ulm.de by faw.uni-ulm.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA17876; Wed, 15 Sep 1993 16:11:49 +0200 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1993 16:11:49 +0200 From: amthauer@faw.uni-ulm.de (Heiner Amthauer) Message-Id: <9309151411.AA17876@faw.uni-ulm.de> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: FILE: Menu Status: RO Hi Folks ! Here we go ! At the end of this mail is a short file included. It's done with AMOSPro V1.0 and it creates a little gui. The important thing about the gui is the popup menu when pressing the right mouse button. Don't complain about the colors, because i've removed the 'get icon palette' command. The pop up was 3D looking (with original colors). Now, if you try to get this thing work with AMOSPro 2.0 it will cause a guru and i have absolutelly no idea why. With AMOSPro 1.0 there wasn't any problem. May be some1 out there know's whats wrong. BTW, the file is ASCII. So load it with 'merge asc'. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- begin 600 menu.lha M(<$M;&@U+0<, # . #($O&R !"&UE;G4N87-CH3Y5!0!0R($' %'@"]Q$LV]6Q6 M<S6L=IBF?Z793SLW,R\O-RLG$'VRZ>A'C6BZUIPMFNT5MR<'M56)V"! 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end From mart4678@mach1.wlu.ca Wed Sep 15 11:40:56 1993 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA27569 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 11:40:54 -0400 Received: from mach1.wlu.ca by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA15824 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 11:40:49 -0400 Received: by mach1.wlu.ca (5.65/1.35) id AA29743; Wed, 15 Sep 93 11:39:26 -0400 From: mart4678@mach1.wlu.ca (Phil Martin u) Message-Id: <9309151539.AA29743@mach1.wlu.ca> Subject: Re: Programs To: amos-request@svcs1.digex.net (Per Lundholm) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 93 11:39:25 EDT In-Reply-To: <9309150816.AA07243@euax1i6c18.eua.ericsson.se>; from "Per Lundholm" at Sep 15, 93 10:16 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL13] Status: RO > I've downloaded LONG from two different AmiNet sites and there's a hell > of a difference between them. None of them carry the program in question. > The sites where: > Germany ftp.uni-kl.de 131.246.9.95 pub/aminet/ > Germany ftp.cs.tu-berlin.de 130.149.17.7 pub/aminet/ > > The first has LONG which is 105 kbytes while the other is 287 kbytes. > > What's wrong? The use of LONG? I don't know about the difference between the LONG files, perhaps it is just that there is that much difference between the files that the two sites carry... I checked these two sites as well, and neither of them has Curiosity, but it can be found on these two sites: wcarchive.cdrom.com wuarchive.wustl.edu And maybe others, I haven't checked the whole list... > > May your hopes not be in vain. We'll see... > > Per Phil Martin. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 14 20:58:56 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA10114 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 20:58:54 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA23161; Tue, 14 Sep 93 20:58:36 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA10565 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 20:47:24 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA10561 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 20:47:22 -0400 Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA08581 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 20:47:20 -0400 Received: from elms.concept.com.au (actually 192.132.41.250) by bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au with SMTP (PP); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 10:46:54 +1000 Received: by elms.concept.com.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27482; Wed, 15 Sep 93 10:46:43 EST Date: Wed, 15 Sep 93 10:46:43 EST From: Tom Plackowski Message-Id: <9309150046.AA27482@elms.concept.com.au> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: AMOSTRIS. Status: RO >> I like the idea of a faster drop rate attracting bonus points. I found that >I have to admit that it is kinda addictive (If you can stand that kind of >game). Ive also gotta admit that you don't look forward to the fast >section when you have blocks piled up to the "roof" 8). 8-) Thats true! The purpose of the slow part could be to get down to the "floor" and be ready for the fast part! // Tom From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 14 22:14:45 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA18856 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 22:14:43 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA02534; Tue, 14 Sep 93 22:14:26 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA11019 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 22:07:57 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA11015 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 22:07:55 -0400 Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA18348 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 14 Sep 1993 22:07:53 -0400 Received: from elms.concept.com.au (actually 192.132.41.250) by bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au with SMTP (PP); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 12:07:20 +1000 Received: by elms.concept.com.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04750; Wed, 15 Sep 93 12:07:24 EST Date: Wed, 15 Sep 93 12:07:24 EST From: Tom Plackowski Message-Id: <9309150207.AA04750@elms.concept.com.au> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Procedure library Status: RO > Well, having received some suggestions and comments, looking at them, and >then completely disregarding them :-) , I thought I'd let you all know exactly [ details ] Sounds good to me. Are you going to start with stuff that has already been posted, or just new stuff? // Tom From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Sep 15 01:06:37 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA07774 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 01:06:35 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA18903; Wed, 15 Sep 93 01:05:05 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA11683 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 00:54:16 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA11679 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 00:54:14 -0400 Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA28422 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 00:54:12 -0400 Received: from elms.concept.com.au (actually 192.132.41.250) by bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au with SMTP (PP); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 14:53:40 +1000 Received: by elms.concept.com.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10058; Wed, 15 Sep 93 14:53:48 EST Date: Wed, 15 Sep 93 14:53:48 EST From: Tom Plackowski Message-Id: <9309150453.AA10058@elms.concept.com.au> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Amos bugs, and thankyous Status: RO >on the cover of The One magazine...) and I've been writing a 3d-vector >program (I have no idea where it's heading though...I just HAD to do it!) and Can't wait to see it! There's been some interest in 3D stuff here, just no results 8-(. // Tom From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Sep 15 12:32:44 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA21831 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 12:32:35 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA21117; Wed, 15 Sep 93 12:31:31 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA16649 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 12:06:07 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA16642 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 12:06:04 -0400 Received: from vax.mbhs.edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA10098 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 12:06:00 -0400 Message-Id: <199309151606.AA10098@access.digex.net> Date: 15 Sep 93 12:03:00 EST From: "Andrew Church" <95ACHURCH@vax.mbhs.edu> Subject: Re: Procedure library To: "amos-list" Status: RO >I'm not sure what format you want the procedures sent in as, so here's a list >of what I can think of: >* Just an ASCII listing in a mail message >* uuencoded - AMOS program >* uuencoded - lharc'd - AMOS program All of those are fine. Just do whatever is most convenient of those. >Are the procedures supposed to be sent with a demonstration program, and if so, >would you prefer that they do not include banks (such as bobs, etc). Or don't >you mind? Yes, a demonstration program would be nice, and no, I don't mind banks with it. >I shall root around in my disc box and see what I can find.. (But I'll probably >need to add a helluva lot of comments to my procedures) >Off the top of my head I can think of: > Bouncing Bobs in AMAL > Sine-type Rainbows > Credits scroller > Pattern generator (just like Spirograph!) > Multi-colour lines )_ great for pallette shifting! > Multi-colour message box ) >And I'm not sure what else. All great! Send 'em in! >Just one more thing... I hope you will post a list of the procedures to the >mailing - list, then we can see what we need and get it. I will do that. --Andy Church From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Sep 15 12:23:40 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA18094 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 12:23:36 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA18968; Wed, 15 Sep 93 12:22:32 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA16635 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 12:05:58 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA16628 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 12:05:56 -0400 Received: from vax.mbhs.edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA10010 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 12:05:47 -0400 Message-Id: <199309151605.AA10010@access.digex.net> Date: 15 Sep 93 12:08:00 EST From: "Andrew Church" <95ACHURCH@vax.mbhs.edu> Subject: Re: Amos bugs, and thankyous To: "amos-list" Status: RO > Another bug I found is with the arccos function (hold on...but you don't NEED >arccos for vectors.....well, tis fixed now but still). When you feed in very >small values (order of about 1*10^-7) it returns ludicrous values. tsk tsk! It seems that a lot of the transcendental functions give bad return values in certain cases. Try Cos(90) and see what you get. It's not 0, but something like 10^-7, which was enough to make my vertical lines diagonal. [18-line signature deleted] Please, don't get carried away! Signatures are fine, but not HUGE ones! --Andy Church From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Sep 15 15:05:38 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA10127 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 15:05:32 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA12207; Wed, 15 Sep 93 14:31:35 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net ) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA20683 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 14:05:41 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA20679 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 14:05:34 -0400 Received: from kruuna.Helsinki.FI by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA25425 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 13:48:38 -0400 Received: by kruuna.helsinki.fi id AA05528 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list@access.digex.net); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 20:48:23 +0300 From: Mikko Makela Message-Id: <199309151748.AA05528@kruuna.helsinki.fi> Subject: AMAL-routine To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1993 20:48:22 +0300 (EET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2185 Status: O Quite many of you showed interest with this, so I'm sending this to the list (it's < 2k). I decided to make litle demonstration program out of it, just to make it easier to understand. --------------------cut here------------------- 'This is a small demo program to show, how to use AMAL's Move-command 'for (de)acceleration of objects. 'Programmed by Mikko Mdkeld BALL=4 : Rem amount of balls _TOPSPEED=200 : LOWEST_POSSIBLE_STEPCOUNT=4 'R2 must not > RB (topspeed) 'RC will tell the lowest possible number of steps in movement. Amreg(1)=_TOPSPEED : Amreg(2)=LOWEST_POSSIBLE_STEPCOUNT 'if ball hits the wall, main program will set R4=1, so 'that the Move command will be initiliazed. A$="AUtotest (If R4=1 Jump Wall " 'if ball must be stopped, R3 will be set to 1, and 'to continue the movement R3->2 A$=A$+"If R3=1 Jump Hold ;If R3=2 Jump Go on " 'R2 will be decreased every time the autotest is run, and 'if it's <1, ball will be stopped. 'R2 is also used to count in how many steps will the movement be done. A$=A$+"If R2<1 Direct Owait else Let R2=R2-1 eXit " A$=A$+"Wall:Let R4=0 Direct Begin " A$=A$+"Hold:Direct Sleep; Go on:Let R3=0 Direct Begin)" 'Here is the Move command A$=A$+"Begin:If R2<1 Jump Owait; Move R0,R1,RC*RB/R2; Jump Begin " A$=A$+"Sleep:Wait ;Owait: If R2>0 J Begin Pause J Owait " 'let's make an boject to move Circle 100,100,7 : Paint 100,100 : Get Bob 0,1,90,90 To 111,111 : Cls 1 'init each ball For L=0 To BALL-1 Channel L To Bob L Bob L,80+L*15,80+L*15,1 Amal L,A$ Amreg(L,4)=1 Next L 'try different values for speed,range & angle RSPEED=5000 RANGE=50 ANGLE#=3.3 For L=0 To BALL-1 Amreg(L,0)=RANGE*Cos(ANGLE#-L*0.1) : Rem x-movemnt Amreg(L,1)=RANGE*Sin(ANGLE#-L*0.1) : Rem y-movement Amreg(L,2)=RSPEED/RANGE+1 : Rem speed Amreg(L,3)=0 : Rem just to make sure Amreg(L,4)=1 : Rem to init movementsequence Next L Synchro Off : Amal On Repeat For L=0 To BALL-1 'test for left screenborder If X Bob(L)<1 Amreg(L,0)=-Amreg(L,0) Amreg(L,4)=1 Bob L,0,, End If Next L 'try without wait! Wait 2 Synchro Until Amreg(0,2)<1 End From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Sep 15 14:21:33 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA03053 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 14:21:31 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA10580; Wed, 15 Sep 93 14:20:39 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA20677 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 14:05:18 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA20673 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 14:05:15 -0400 Received: from vax.mbhs.edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA00198 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 14:05:11 -0400 Message-Id: <199309151805.AA00198@access.digex.net> Date: 15 Sep 93 14:08:00 EST From: "Andrew Church" <95ACHURCH@vax.mbhs.edu> Subject: Menu file(?) To: "amos-list" Status: O Could whoever sent the menu file or whatever please send it to me again? I wanted to download it, but my mail program crashed and it got deleted. Thanks. --Andy Church From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Sep 15 19:26:35 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA25389 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 19:26:33 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA03932; Wed, 15 Sep 93 19:25:57 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA27079 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 19:03:15 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA27075 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 19:03:11 -0400 Received: from diemen.utas.edu.au by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA22196 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 19:03:07 -0400 Received: from ecc.tased.edu.au (zaphod.ecc.tased.edu.AU) by diemen.utas.edu.au with SMTP id AA21970 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 16 Sep 1993 09:03:03 +1000 Received: from slick.clare.tased.edu.au by ecc.tased.edu.au (PMDF #3100 ) id <01H30E62FAYO8ZE1I2@ecc.tased.edu.au>; Thu, 16 Sep 1993 09:02:35 +1000 Received: from charon1.clare.tased.edu.au by slick.clare.tased.edu.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26418; Thu, 16 Sep 93 08:58:17 EST Received: From ASGARD/WORKQUEUE by charon1.clare.tased.edu.au via Charon-4.0-VROOM with IPX id 100.930916090648.480; 16 Sep 93 09:07:01 -1100 Date: 16 Sep 93 09:06:43 GMT+10 From: Paul Reece Subject: Re: next mail To: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: amos-list@access.digex.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v2.1b. Status: RO > Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1993 15:54:21 +0200 > From: amthauer@faw.uni-ulm.de (Heiner Amthauer) > To: amos-list@access.digex.net > Subject: next mail > Folks ! > > Attention ! the next mail is a file ! 4k size. > > greetings > Heiner > > I'm sure Alex will appreciate the warning - thanks. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Reece preece@slick.clare.tased.edu.au paul_ree@asgard.clare.tased.edu.au Student & Network Assistant (UNIX) ds041@cleveland.freenet.edu Claremont College, Tasmania, Australia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---AMIGA 500 - 2 MB RAM - 2 DRIVES - KICKSTART 2.05 & 1.3 - ONLY AMIGA!!--- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Sep 15 20:29:59 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA08507 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 20:29:54 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA13730; Wed, 15 Sep 93 20:29:36 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA27734 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 20:06:35 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA27730 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 20:06:34 -0400 Received: from sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA04671 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 20:06:21 -0400 Received: from mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au (mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au [128.184.102.1]) by sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au (8.5/1.2) with SMTP id KAA03794; Thu, 16 Sep 1993 10:05:58 +1000 Received: by mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au (4.1/client-1.3) id AA25850; Thu, 16 Sep 93 10:05:56 EST Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1993 10:04:41 +1000 (EST) From: Scott Southurst Subject: Re: AMOSTRIS. To: LIST AMOS In-Reply-To: <9309150046.AA27482@elms.concept.com.au> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO > >> I like the idea of a faster drop rate attracting bonus points. I found that > >I have to admit that it is kinda addictive (If you can stand that kind of > >game). Ive also gotta admit that you don't look forward to the fast > >section when you have blocks piled up to the "roof" 8). > > 8-) Thats true! The purpose of the slow part could be to get down to the > "floor" and be ready for the fast part! It wasn't the principle idea of the "next slow part" but its the way it happens. Sometimes you can't even get the levels down quick enough to be ready for the next fast bit. ||\ *********************************************** ./~ \ * Scott Southurst (maverick@deakin.edu.au) * ~~\ \ * Deakin University, Warrnambool, Australia * // \ * Aquatic Biology/Computer Programming * | \___/| * A500 - 1084s - 1meg - AMOS 1.34 - AMOS 3d * /~/~~ ___/ * Compiler - AND LOVING IT!! (Soon A1200??) * ~~~~~~~~ *********************************************** From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Sep 15 20:19:16 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA06338 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 20:19:11 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA11992; Wed, 15 Sep 93 20:18:21 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA27740 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 20:08:36 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA27736 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 20:08:34 -0400 Received: from sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA04886 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 20:08:27 -0400 Received: from mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au (mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au [128.184.102.1]) by sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au (8.5/1.2) with SMTP id KAA03936; Thu, 16 Sep 1993 10:08:15 +1000 Received: by mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au (4.1/client-1.3) id AA25943; Thu, 16 Sep 93 10:08:14 EST Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1993 10:06:50 +1000 (EST) From: Scott Southurst Subject: Another AMAL Question. To: LIST AMOS Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO If you use AMAL to do some mathematical calculations will it be faster than normal usage of AMOS to do the same calculations?? (Eg. Say the calculations used in a Mandelbrot Gen.) What about when the proggy is compiled?? ||\ *********************************************** ./~ \ * Scott Southurst (maverick@deakin.edu.au) * ~~\ \ * Deakin University, Warrnambool, Australia * // \ * Aquatic Biology/Computer Programming * | \___/| * A500 - 1084s - 1meg - AMOS 1.34 - AMOS 3d * /~/~~ ___/ * Compiler - AND LOVING IT!! (Soon A1200??) * ~~~~~~~~ *********************************************** From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Sep 15 20:43:10 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA09881 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 20:43:09 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA15150; Wed, 15 Sep 93 20:42:54 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA27784 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 20:15:40 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA27780 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 20:15:38 -0400 Received: from sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA05743 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 15 Sep 1993 20:15:28 -0400 Received: from mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au (mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au [128.184.102.1]) by sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au (8.5/1.2) with SMTP id KAA04917; Thu, 16 Sep 1993 10:15:17 +1000 Received: by mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au (4.1/client-1.3) id AA26264; Thu, 16 Sep 93 10:15:16 EST Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1993 10:13:24 +1000 (EST) From: Scott Southurst Subject: Test for 3d routines. To: LIST AMOS Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO This is a test to see if the routines you are using are correct... face your object so it is rotated about the y and x axis 45 degrees (ie. yaw and pitch) Now roll the object (rotate about the z axis). Does it look like the object is rolling or does it look like someone is turning the screen??? ||\ *********************************************** ./~ \ * Scott Southurst (maverick@deakin.edu.au) * ~~\ \ * Deakin University, Warrnambool, Australia * // \ * Aquatic Biology/Computer Programming * | \___/| * A500 - 1084s - 1meg - AMOS 1.34 - AMOS 3d * /~/~~ ___/ * Compiler - AND LOVING IT!! (Soon A1200??) * ~~~~~~~~ *********************************************** From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 16 03:54:43 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA02536 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 16 Sep 1993 03:54:42 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA25650; Thu, 16 Sep 93 03:53:15 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA29799 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 16 Sep 1993 03:48:18 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA29795 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 16 Sep 1993 03:48:16 -0400 Received: from faw.uni-ulm.de by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA02422 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 16 Sep 1993 03:48:00 -0400 Received: from sun19.faw.uni-ulm.de by faw.uni-ulm.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA21676; Thu, 16 Sep 1993 09:47:24 +0200 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1993 09:47:24 +0200 From: amthauer@faw.uni-ulm.de (Heiner Amthauer) Message-Id: <9309160747.AA21676@faw.uni-ulm.de> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: parallel in Status: RO Hi ! Any1 out there who can tell me the exact handshake of the 'parallel in' comand ? It's nowhere mentioned in the manual. Thanx ! greetings ------------------------------------------------------------ Heiner Amthauer email: amthauer@faw.uni-ulm.de / __ / / __ / / ___ / / / / / / / ___/ / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / ____ __/ / / / / / / / _____/ __/ _____/ __/ ______/ __/ ______/ IRC: IceMc (RaytraceMan) ------------------------------------------------------------ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 16 05:50:48 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA04762 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 16 Sep 1993 05:50:47 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA02015; Thu, 16 Sep 93 05:49:15 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA00222 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 16 Sep 1993 05:34:14 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA00218 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 16 Sep 1993 05:34:13 -0400 Received: from surukuku.cc.lut.fi by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA04306 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 16 Sep 1993 05:34:10 -0400 Received: by surukuku.cc.lut.fi (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4/Kim-2.2) id AA14504; Thu, 16 Sep 1993 12:34:04 +0300 From: Kimmo Veijalainen Message-Id: <199309160934.AA14504@surukuku.cc.lut.fi> Subject: Lserial.lib (fwd) To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Thu, 16 Sep 93 12:34:03 EETDST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: RO > Does anyone know if there is a version of Lserial for AmosPro??? > > If so, where can I get it from, how much does it cost etc.. There is. I don't know if there is a freely distributable LSerial for AmosPro, but AmosPro versions of both LDos and LSerial came on the registered user's disk. The cost is 100 SEK (About 12-13 US$ I think). -- _ C=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- _ // K.Veijalainen | -This area closed for repairs- = \X/ veijalai@cc.lut.fi | = Amiga C=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 16 01:26:02 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA12149 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 16 Sep 1993 01:26:00 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA16577; Thu, 16 Sep 93 01:24:35 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA29135 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 16 Sep 1993 01:00:28 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA29131 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 16 Sep 1993 01:00:20 -0400 Received: from diemen.utas.edu.au by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA09519 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 16 Sep 1993 01:00:10 -0400 Received: from ecc.tased.edu.au (zaphod.ecc.tased.edu.AU) by diemen.utas.edu.au with SMTP id AA11046 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 16 Sep 1993 15:00:03 +1000 Received: from slick.clare.tased.edu.au by ecc.tased.edu.au (PMDF #3100 ) id <01H30QN2ZBFK8ZE1MK@ecc.tased.edu.au>; Thu, 16 Sep 1993 14:59:54 +1000 Received: from charon1.clare.tased.edu.au by slick.clare.tased.edu.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00565; Thu, 16 Sep 93 14:55:35 EST Received: From ASGARD/WORKQUEUE by charon1.clare.tased.edu.au via Charon-4.0-VROOM with IPX id 100.930916150406.256; 16 Sep 93 14:58:51 -1100 Date: 16 Sep 93 15:03:58 GMT+10 From: Paul Reece Subject: Proposal To: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: amos-list@access.digex.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v2.1b. Status: RO Would anyone be interested in forming/joining a small software development team made up of amos programmers, composers and graphicians???? The idea of this would be to bring programmers, composers and graphics artists together to write utilities/games etc. in Amos. Why?? - Because many of us find it hard to draw gfx or create sfx for our little amos creations and vice versa - Why not do it together????? How?? - Using email! Type - Personally, I would like all of the software produced put onto aminet or made available from someone via mail - Groups like this that involve money are sure to cause problems.... Anyway, are you interested??? If so, please email me at the address above (in the headers) with any ideas etc that you may have and I'll add you to my list. Thankyou. Paul Reece --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Reece preece@slick.clare.tased.edu.au paul_ree@asgard.clare.tased.edu.au Student & Network Assistant (UNIX) ds041@cleveland.freenet.edu Claremont College, Tasmania, Australia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---AMIGA 500 - 2 MB RAM - 2 DRIVES - KICKSTART 2.05 & 1.3 - ONLY AMIGA!!--- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 16 01:24:21 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA12079 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 16 Sep 1993 01:24:20 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA16409; Thu, 16 Sep 93 01:22:50 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA29148 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 16 Sep 1993 01:01:39 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA29144 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 16 Sep 1993 01:01:35 -0400 Received: from diemen.utas.edu.au by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA10241 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 16 Sep 1993 01:01:29 -0400 Received: from ecc.tased.edu.au (zaphod.ecc.tased.edu.AU) by diemen.utas.edu.au with SMTP id AA11134 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 16 Sep 1993 15:01:26 +1000 Received: from slick.clare.tased.edu.au by ecc.tased.edu.au (PMDF #3100 ) id <01H30QOSMHHC8ZE2BH@ecc.tased.edu.au>; Thu, 16 Sep 1993 15:01:16 +1000 Received: from charon1.clare.tased.edu.au by slick.clare.tased.edu.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00571; Thu, 16 Sep 93 14:57:00 EST Received: From ASGARD/WORKQUEUE by charon1.clare.tased.edu.au via Charon-4.0-VROOM with IPX id 100.930916150532.448; 16 Sep 93 15:00:15 -1100 Date: 16 Sep 93 15:05:29 GMT+10 From: Paul Reece Subject: Lserial.lib To: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: amos-list@access.digex.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v2.1b. Status: RO Does anyone know if there is a version of Lserial for AmosPro??? If so, where can I get it from, how much does it cost etc.. Thanks in advance. - Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Reece preece@slick.clare.tased.edu.au paul_ree@asgard.clare.tased.edu.au Student & Network Assistant (UNIX) ds041@cleveland.freenet.edu Claremont College, Tasmania, Australia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---AMIGA 500 - 2 MB RAM - 2 DRIVES - KICKSTART 2.05 & 1.3 - ONLY AMIGA!!--- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 16 22:13:45 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA09604 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 16 Sep 1993 22:13:43 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA18486; Thu, 16 Sep 93 22:13:18 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA11461 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 16 Sep 1993 21:28:46 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA11453 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 16 Sep 1993 21:28:42 -0400 Received: from bode.ee.ualberta.ca by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA04132 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 16 Sep 1993 21:28:38 -0400 Received: by bode.ee.ualberta.ca (1.37.109.4/15.6) id AA03682; Thu, 16 Sep 93 19:28:32 -0600 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1993 19:17:05 +0700 (MST) From: Mike Sikorsky Sender: Mike Sikorsky Reply-To: Mike Sikorsky Subject: Re: image and brush hassle Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net In-Reply-To: <199309171821.AA07192@zeus> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Status: O [ ..description of problem deleted..] > > My theory is to do a histogram of the main image. Find which colours are > not being used. Then remap the brush colours into the blank ones and end > up with a nice clean combined palette. > The problem with this is that Remaping can be very very slow... even computing the histogram will take a while on a normal screen... > The brush is either a two or four colour variety only and the image will > normally be either 8 or 16 colours. > One thing is you could load the Image into a 16/32 color screen so that the top 8/16 colors would be free... so now you could either have the brush designed using the top range of colors or you could re-map it. If you choose the re-mapping way it can be done fast by just copying the bitplanes... ie: +-------+ Main Screen= 32 colors --> 5 bitplanes |320x200| so if you had a 4 color brush ( 2 bitplanes ) you would want colors | | to be re-maped like this --> { 0,1,2,3 } --> { 16,17,18,19 } +-------+ 0: %00000 16: %10000 ---> from this you can see that all you have to do 1: %00001 17: %10001 to remap the colors is fill the 5th bitplane 2: %00010 18: %10010 with $FFFFFFFF which is very quick... 3: %00011 19: %10011 ** Fill Phybase(4) to Phybase(4)+(320*200)/8,$FFFFFFFF ** of course you are going to have to do the re-mapping on a temp screen then transfer it over... one problem may arise with masking... if you did require that color 0 was to be masked then now it will have to be color 16 that has to be masked... i wrote a routine to make a mask for Icons of any color which I will be sending to Andrew Church but if you need this earlier just ask... hope this helps... - Mike Sikorksy P.S. I have never done anything with the Dual Playfield stuff but that also may work.. it depends on how it works the colors.. I can never remember.. > Any ideas anyone. > > Yours > Tom Duncan > duncan@helios.usq.edu.au > University of Southern Queensland > Toowoomba, Queensland. > > From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 16 19:36:44 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA21128 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 16 Sep 1993 19:36:43 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA01353; Thu, 16 Sep 93 19:36:20 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA10137 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 16 Sep 1993 18:41:58 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA10133 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 16 Sep 1993 18:41:56 -0400 Received: from vax.mbhs.edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA14646 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 16 Sep 1993 18:41:53 -0400 Message-Id: <199309162241.AA14646@access.digex.net> Date: 16 Sep 93 18:40:00 EST From: "Andrew Church" <95ACHURCH@vax.mbhs.edu> Subject: AAARRRGGGHHH!!! To: "amos-list" Status: O Well, I got some procedure-library submissions and stuff from the AMOS list to download... ... but when I went to send the files, I accidentally deleted them instead!!! Those who just sent me files or posted them to the list, please re-send them... and please forgive my immense stupidity! --Andy Church From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 16 19:22:38 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA19977 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 16 Sep 1993 19:22:37 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA29677; Thu, 16 Sep 93 19:22:14 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA10126 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 16 Sep 1993 18:38:35 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA10122 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 16 Sep 1993 18:38:33 -0400 Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA14383 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 16 Sep 1993 18:38:31 -0400 Received: from elms.concept.com.au (actually 192.132.41.250) by bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au with SMTP (PP); Fri, 17 Sep 1993 08:38:18 +1000 Received: by elms.concept.com.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15295; Fri, 17 Sep 93 08:38:17 EST Date: Fri, 17 Sep 93 08:38:17 EST From: Tom Plackowski Message-Id: <9309162238.AA15295@elms.concept.com.au> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: RE: Files Via Email... now SkidMarks Status: O >From JOLOUGHLIN@MIAVX1.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU Fri Sep 17 05:04:28 1993 >>For example, is anyone writing a 'skidmarks' clone? Perhaps there are 800 >>different car images - they could do with a little retouching though. And its >>funny how they float above their shadows. >> >>I like they way the graphics of the track degrade as you play - the edges seem >>to get worn away, and you get tracks on the grass and banks. > Ya know I'd like to check out this much talked about 'skidmarks' game, >but and a big BUTT at that, it doesn't like running on my 4000/040 ;( Anyone >have any clues, or luck getting this thing to work on their 4000/1200? This poor fellow has a 4000/040. I feel so sorry for him, not! 8-) It has crashed (on loading) on my 2000 too. Works most of the time. // Tom From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 16 21:08:41 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA02462 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 16 Sep 1993 21:08:40 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA12026; Thu, 16 Sep 93 21:08:19 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA10932 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 16 Sep 1993 20:28:40 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA10928 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 16 Sep 1993 20:28:38 -0400 Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA26892 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 16 Sep 1993 20:28:36 -0400 Received: from elms.concept.com.au (actually 192.132.41.250) by bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au with SMTP (PP); Fri, 17 Sep 1993 10:28:03 +1000 Received: by elms.concept.com.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18740; Fri, 17 Sep 93 10:28:04 EST Date: Fri, 17 Sep 93 10:28:04 EST From: Tom Plackowski Message-Id: <9309170028.AA18740@elms.concept.com.au> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: RE: Files Via Email... now SkidMarks Status: O >> >>For example, is anyone writing a 'skidmarks' clone? Perhaps there are 800 >WHAT IS THIS GAME????? SkidMarks looks like a playable demo of a car racing game. It is apparently written in BlitzBasic. Its on aminet somewhere (game/demo?). // Tom From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 16 19:01:43 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA17066 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 16 Sep 1993 19:01:41 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA27008; Thu, 16 Sep 93 19:01:13 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA10093 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 16 Sep 1993 18:19:56 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA10089 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 16 Sep 1993 18:19:53 -0400 Received: from zeus (zeus.usq.edu.au) by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA12194 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 16 Sep 1993 18:19:50 -0400 Received: from helios.usq.edu.au (helios) by zeus with SMTP id AA07192 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 17 Sep 1993 08:21:05 -1000 Message-Id: <199309171821.AA07192@zeus> Received: by helios.usq.edu.au From: tom duncan Subject: image and brush hassle To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1993 08:15:11 +1000 (EST) Content-Type: text Content-Length: 831 Status: RO Hi all, I have a problem. I am writing an authoring package in Amos-Pro and have come across a problem which many of us have in the normal use of graphics. I am trying to load an Brush from DPIV over an image. The image sizes are all OK but as per usual the palettes are not going to be the same. Up till now I have saved the image as a bob then pasted it onto the screen. The error is ofcourse the palette. My theory is to do a histogram of the main image. Find which colours are not being used. Then remap the brush colours into the blank ones and end up with a nice clean combined palette. The brush is either a two or four colour variety only and the image will normally be either 8 or 16 colours. Any ideas anyone. Yours Tom Duncan duncan@helios.usq.edu.au University of Southern Queensland Toowoomba, Queensland. From mart4678@mach1.wlu.ca Thu Sep 16 22:52:42 1993 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA13724 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 16 Sep 1993 22:52:41 -0400 Received: from mach1.wlu.ca ([192.54.242.17]) by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA12454 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 16 Sep 1993 22:52:38 -0400 Received: by mach1.wlu.ca (5.65/1.35) id AA21506; Thu, 16 Sep 93 22:51:28 -0400 From: mart4678@mach1.wlu.ca (Phil Martin u) Message-Id: <9309170251.AA21506@mach1.wlu.ca> Subject: RE: Files Via Email... now SkidMarks To: amos-request@svcs1.digex.net (Tom Plackowski) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 93 22:51:28 EDT In-Reply-To: <9309162238.AA15295@elms.concept.com.au>; from "Tom Plackowski" at Sep 17, 93 8:38 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL13] Status: RO > > > Ya know I'd like to check out this much talked about 'skidmarks' game, > >but and a big BUTT at that, it doesn't like running on my 4000/040 ;( Anyone > >have any clues, or luck getting this thing to work on their 4000/1200? > Here's what I do... 1)-Reboot, hold both mouse keys, disable caches, and set display mode to ECS PAL from the early-startup menu. 2)-Run Degrader. Choose everything ie 1Meg chip, No fast, caches off, privelege off, 50Hz, and 50Hz system. Exit by selecting 'SurviveNoReset' 3)-Turn off any backdrop picture you might have in your WB, and kill all commodities. 4)-Cross your fingers, and run the game :) It is fun, and it is worth it. Phil Martin. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 16 23:33:13 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA18900 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 16 Sep 1993 23:33:11 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA26606; Thu, 16 Sep 93 23:31:35 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA12447 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 16 Sep 1993 22:45:16 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA12443 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 16 Sep 1993 22:45:13 -0400 Received: from cs.uwa.edu.au (bilby.cs.uwa.oz.au) by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA12899 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 16 Sep 1993 22:45:08 -0400 Received: from kultarr.cs.uwa.oz.au by cs.uwa.edu.au (4.1/SMI-4.0+cs.uwa-1.0) id AA04595; Fri, 17 Sep 93 10:44:34 WST Message-Id: <9309170244.AA04595@cs.uwa.edu.au> Received: by kultarr.cs.uwa.oz.au (4.1/SMI-3.2) id AA24585; Fri, 17 Sep 93 10:44:37 WST From: woolto_c@cs.uwa.edu.au (Zodiac) Subject: My 3d proggy (Was Amos Bugs, and Thankyous) To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Fri, 17 Sep 93 10:44:36 WST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL9] Status: RO Gday again, I've had a few people requesting info on my 3d prog I mentioned last post. Well, It IS very nearly finished, but if I am to release it, then I wan't it secured somehow. Will the LOCK accesory perform this function for me? I don't really want to release it at all, but owing to the feedback I've got so far it really is needed out there. I began writing it because it had to be done, but mostly to familiarise myself with Amos. Now, It has become the 3d library! I do have more questions though. * Is it possible to have a library procedure in a compiled state, and access it from an uncompiled program? ie Can I paste a compiled program into an uncompiled program and call it only when needed? * Is it possible to call OTHER programs (either Amos or compiled to cli progs) from an amos program? ie Can I compile the library and call it if it is EXTERNAL to the program using it? * I need to pass data to the library before I call it. I figure the best way to do this is to use a temporary bank, but I'm not sure how to access each element in the bank (Poke and Peek?.....haven't got to this section of the manual yet!). * One other problem is in the use of the Polygon command. Is it possible to make a filled in polygon using this command using a loop of arbitrary length on a set of points? If not, how does the speed of the Paint command rate against the way Polygon fills? Oh yeah, some of my manual has disappeared into thin air! I have a copy that is missing everything after and including the assembler chapter (DAMN!). I've looked EVERYWHERE but I can't find it, so I have this (unrelated to the above) question. * Is it possible to somehow implement linked linear lists, and/or a structure (or record for you pascal'ers) in Amos? I've heard of this VarPtr command but I don't know if this would help. There. I think that's all for now. Like I said, it's nearly finished and answers to the above question would enable me to finish V.soon. One final word....THANK GOD FOR AMOS! Amos has put me a year ahead of shedule in my home programming. Carl. I should also mention that I got my copy of Amos from the mag 'CU Amiga' and NOT 'The One' afterall. Apologies to any inconvenience. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "If you wanna be in my gang, stand up with me. We'll start a revolution, and make the streets free. We'll never weaken, we'll give it our best. Can't be defeated, we're better than the rest." - Rose Tattoo : 'We Can't be Beaten'. "So tell the whole world I'm not me I'm someone else and he's gone with me too." - Nik Kershaw : 'Gone to Pieces'. +------------------+ | Carl Wooltorton. | +------------------+ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Sep 17 14:28:49 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA07676 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 17 Sep 1993 14:28:45 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA02408; Fri, 17 Sep 93 03:31:12 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net ) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA13685 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Fri, 17 Sep 1993 01:22:57 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA13681 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 17 Sep 1993 01:22:54 -0400 Received: from mailgate.ericsson.se by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA07138 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 17 Sep 1993 01:22:52 -0400 Received: from eua.ericsson.se by mailgate.ericsson.se (4.1/SMI-4.1-MAILGATE1.14) id AA09628; Fri, 17 Sep 93 07:22:50 +0200 Received: from ms.eua.ericsson.se by eua.ericsson.se (4.1/EUA-2.1) id AA13074; Fri, 17 Sep 93 07:22:49 +0200 Received: from euax1i6c18.eua.ericsson.se by ms.eua.ericsson.se (4.1/MS-2.1) id AA29694; Fri, 17 Sep 93 07:22:48 +0200 From: Per.Lundholm@eua.ericsson.se (Per Lundholm) Received: by euax1i6c18.eua.ericsson.se (4.1/client-1.3) id AA22060; Fri, 17 Sep 93 07:22:47 +0200 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 93 07:22:47 +0200 Message-Id: <9309170522.AA22060@euax1i6c18.eua.ericsson.se> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: image and brush hassle Status: RO > - Mike Sikorksy > > P.S. I have never done anything with the Dual Playfield stuff but that > also may work.. it depends on how it works the colors.. I can never > remember.. Dual playfield actually does remap your colours. If you have eight colours (the max) in each screen, the first will use colours 0-7 and the second 8-15. You seldom have to care about that, however. If you draw a pixel using colour 1 on screen 2 it will automagically be remaped to colour 8. Page 135 and example 10.5 for more info on Dual Playfield. May the disk not be full the next time you attempt a save. Per From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Sep 17 14:41:33 1993 Received: from po.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA10505 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 17 Sep 1993 14:41:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from svcs1.digex.net by po.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.9.3) id AA05642; Fri, 17 Sep 93 14:40:03 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA16274 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Fri, 17 Sep 1993 11:29:51 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA16270 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 17 Sep 1993 11:29:49 -0400 Received: from vax.mbhs.edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA08223 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 17 Sep 1993 11:29:41 -0400 Message-Id: <199309171529.AA08223@access.digex.net> Date: 17 Sep 93 11:33:00 EST From: "Andrew Church" <95ACHURCH@vax.mbhs.edu> Subject: Re: My 3d proggy To: "amos-list" Status: RO >* Is it possible to have a library procedure in a compiled state, and access > it from an uncompiled program? ie Can I paste a compiled program into an > uncompiled program and call it only when needed? Only if it was compiled with the same system it's being run on. I.E. if you're using AMOS 1.x, you can only include AMOS 1.x compiled procedures, and likewise for Pro. This will cause a problem if you intend to distribute the program as an AMOS file, as not everybody has the same system. You'll also have to fool around with the AMOS file in a binary editor if you want to have more than one, as they'd all be called COMPILED. You might change the extra ones to COMPILE0 or something. >* Is it possible to call OTHER programs (either Amos or compiled to cli progs) > from an amos program? ie Can I compile the library and call it if it is > EXTERNAL to the program using it? You can run a CLI-compiled program using Pro's Exec command or Doscall(-222) (which is Execute()) in AMOS 1.3. If you use the Doscall method, the string to execute must be terminated with Chr$(0) and placed in Dreg(1), and Dreg(2) and Dreg(3) must be 0. Since an AMOS-compiled program is just a compiled procedure, see above for that. >* I need to pass data to the library before I call it. I figure the best way > to do this is to use a temporary bank, but I'm not sure how to access each > element in the bank (Poke and Peek?.....haven't got to this section of the > manual yet!). Use the Dreg() and Areg() arrays. (sorry, out of time...) --Andy Church From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Sep 17 19:43:48 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA19519 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 17 Sep 1993 19:43:47 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA03875; Fri, 17 Sep 93 19:42:17 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA19471 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Fri, 17 Sep 1993 17:33:15 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA19467 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 17 Sep 1993 17:33:14 -0400 Received: from vax.mbhs.edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA05718 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 17 Sep 1993 17:33:10 -0400 Message-Id: <199309172133.AA05718@access.digex.net> Date: 17 Sep 93 17:21:00 EST From: "Andrew Church" <95ACHURCH@vax.mbhs.edu> Subject: Re: My 3d proggy To: "amos-list" Status: RO To continue... >* Is it possible to somehow implement linked linear lists, and/or a structure > (or record for you pascal'ers) in Amos? I've heard of this VarPtr command > but I don't know if this would help. A structure could be done as an array of integers, where each value is a separate field of the structure. A linked list could also be done as an array of n by 2 integers, where n is the largest list size you need; A(x,0) would be the data/pointer, and A(x,1) would be the index number of the next item. (This would be necessary because deleting items could put empty spaces in the middle of the list, for those who didn't know). > There. I think that's all for now. Like I said, it's nearly finished and >answers to the above question would enable me to finish V.soon. Since I gave you lots of answers, do I get a free copy? :-) > One final word....THANK GOD FOR AMOS! Amos has put me a year ahead of >shedule in my home programming. Indeed -- I've found it very useful for that sort of thing. --Andy Church From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Sep 18 04:08:58 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA01286 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 18 Sep 1993 04:08:56 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA10704; Sat, 18 Sep 93 04:07:01 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA21806 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Sat, 18 Sep 1993 03:50:57 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA21802 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 18 Sep 1993 03:50:55 -0400 Received: from bos2a.delphi.com (delphi.com) by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA21915 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 18 Sep 1993 03:50:53 -0400 Received: from bix.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.2-11 #4520) id <01H32VTKZ7JK8Y56O1@delphi.com>; Sat, 18 Sep 1993 03:50:16 EDT Received: by bix.com (CoSy3.31.1.29) id <9309180349.memo.5602@BIX.com>; Sat, 18 Sep 1993 03:49:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1993 03:49:22 -0400 (EDT) From: sfmcnally@BIX.com Subject: fiddling with sprite banks To: Amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: <9309180349.memo.5602@BIX.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Cosy-To: Amos-list@access.digex.com Status: O Does anyone know what the best way (from Assembler, extention Etc.) to manipulate the immages in sprite banks? To do something like the bob flipping routine in amos, or a rotate or skew routine. Thanks. Seumas From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Sep 20 11:17:00 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA13027 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 20 Sep 1993 11:16:54 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA12444; Mon, 20 Sep 93 11:15:55 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA06635 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Mon, 20 Sep 1993 10:57:55 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA06631 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 20 Sep 1993 10:57:53 -0400 Received: from ns-mx.uiowa.edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA09896 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 20 Sep 1993 10:57:51 -0400 Received: from umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu by ns-mx.uiowa.edu (5.64.jnf/921215) on Mon, 20 Sep 93 09:57:48 -0500 id AA04125 with SMTP Received: by umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (5.61.jnf/930730) on Mon, 20 Sep 93 09:57:15 -0500 id AA06668 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1993 09:41:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Richards Subject: Pro Compiler Oddity To: AMOS posting Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO I got the Pro compiler the other day, despite my misgivings of getting the first version of anything, and have been pleasantly surprised by the way it, well, works the way its supposed to. It compiled all my programs correctly with one exception: It changed the length of two of my music banks by +2. This would not ordinarily be a problem except that I tell which piece of music is in which bank using lengths and swap in and out of bank three as needed. It seems strange that only two of the five music banks in the program are changed. And it only happens with the stand alone option. When I compile to AMOS it works just fine. I worked around it without any problem (just started comparing approximate lengths rather that actual values) but I thought I'd report it in case anyone was keeping an actual error list. Are there any other bugs to the compiler that make things more interesting than they need to be? Chris R From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Sep 20 11:47:52 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA18255 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 20 Sep 1993 11:47:50 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA18277; Mon, 20 Sep 93 11:46:47 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA06814 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Mon, 20 Sep 1993 11:29:35 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA06810 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 20 Sep 1993 11:29:34 -0400 Received: from vax.mbhs.edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA15268 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 20 Sep 1993 11:29:30 -0400 Message-Id: <199309201529.AA15268@access.digex.net> Date: 20 Sep 93 11:32:00 EST From: "Andrew Church" <95ACHURCH@vax.mbhs.edu> Subject: Re: Pro Compiler Oddity To: "amos-list" Status: RO >I got the Pro compiler the other day, despite my misgivings of getting the >first version of anything, and have been pleasantly surprised by the way >it, well, works the way its supposed to. It compiled all my programs >correctly with one exception: It changed the length of two of my music >banks by +2. This would not ordinarily be a problem except that I tell >which piece of music is in which bank using lengths and swap in and out of >bank three as needed. > >It seems strange that only two of the five music banks in the program are >changed. And it only happens with the stand alone option. When I compile >to AMOS it works just fine. I worked around it without any problem (just >started comparing approximate lengths rather that actual values) but I >thought I'd report it in case anyone was keeping an actual error list. In an executable file, all "hunks" (file sections) need to have a size that is a multiple of 4. If the two banks that got a size adjustment were not multiples of 4 (the size, not the bank number), that would be why. (Although why the compiler would store each bank in a separate hunk is beyond me; it would make more sense to just put them all in the same hunk.) --Andy Church From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Sep 20 13:14:37 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA05101 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 20 Sep 1993 13:14:33 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA03090; Mon, 20 Sep 93 13:11:05 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA07560 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Mon, 20 Sep 1993 12:52:33 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA07556 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 20 Sep 1993 12:52:29 -0400 Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA01712 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 20 Sep 1993 12:52:26 -0400 Via: uk.ac.rutherford.informatics; Mon, 20 Sep 1993 17:51:41 +0100 Received: from cedar by inf.rl.ac.uk; Mon, 20 Sep 93 17:51:31 BST Date: Mon, 20 Sep 93 17:51:28 BST From: mas@inf.rl.ac.uk Message-Id: <9309201651.AA06633@cedar> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Pro Compiler Oddity X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Content-Length: 1080 Status: RO > In an executable file, all "hunks" (file sections) need to have a size that > is a multiple of 4. If the two banks that got a size adjustment were not > multiples of 4 (the size, not the bank number), that would be why. (Although > why the compiler would store each bank in a separate hunk is beyond me; it > would make more sense to just put them all in the same hunk.) > > --Andy Church I believe I read that the reason for putting in seperate hunks was that if you use one hunk it would all need to load into one contiguous lump of memory, where as by this method the program could still run even if memory had become slightly fragmented but the pieces still fitted into the fragments available. The original Amos Compiler does indeed only use one hunk to hold everything, so that might explain why it works when Pro compiler does not if Andy is right about hunks. From memory I think Pro compiler still only uses one hunk to store all the banks, one for the program itself, and one for something else (possibly the library code or something like that) Martin. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 21 02:04:26 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA23627 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 21 Sep 1993 02:04:24 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA15463; Tue, 21 Sep 93 02:04:12 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA13545 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 21 Sep 1993 01:49:22 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA13541 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 21 Sep 1993 01:49:20 -0400 Received: from cs.uwa.edu.au (bilby.cs.uwa.oz.au) by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA21734 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 21 Sep 1993 01:49:13 -0400 Received: from kultarr.cs.uwa.oz.au by cs.uwa.edu.au (4.1/SMI-4.0+cs.uwa-1.0) id AA20644; Tue, 21 Sep 93 13:48:47 WST Message-Id: <9309210548.AA20644@cs.uwa.edu.au> Received: by kultarr.cs.uwa.oz.au (4.1/SMI-3.2) id AA05065; Tue, 21 Sep 93 13:48:50 WST From: woolto_c@cs.uwa.edu.au (Zodiac) Subject: that 3d lib To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Tue, 21 Sep 93 13:48:50 WST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL9] Status: RO Gday again, Don't hold your breath for my 3d lib. I'm snowed under with projects at uni and I may not get back to work at it for some time (between 2 to 8 weeks). I will be trying to squeeze in some time on it though, so it may get finished sooner. All that needs to be done to it is to have some interface to it and it's done. This is going to take a while though with my manual having bits missing. I'm relying on you guys for help. Carl. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "If you wanna be in my gang, stand up with me. We'll start a revolution, and make the streets free. We'll never weaken, we'll give it our best. Can't be defeated, we're better than the rest." - Rose Tattoo : 'We Can't be Beaten'. "So tell the whole world I'm not me I'm someone else and he's gone with me too." - Nik Kershaw : 'Gone to Pieces'. +------------------+ | Carl Wooltorton. | +------------------+ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 21 05:47:43 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA13993 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 21 Sep 1993 05:47:42 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA29048; Tue, 21 Sep 93 05:47:26 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA14001 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 21 Sep 1993 05:26:02 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA13997 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 21 Sep 1993 05:25:51 -0400 Received: from apollo.di.unipi.it by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA13542 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 21 Sep 1993 05:25:28 -0400 Received: from gladio.di.unipi.it by apollo.di.unipi.it with SMTP (16.7/16.2) id AA25610; Tue, 21 Sep 93 11:22:21 +0200 Received: from transy.di.unipi.it by gladio.di.unipi.it with SMTP (16.6/16.2) id AA20601; Tue, 21 Sep 93 02:52:03 +0200 Received: by transy.di.unipi.it.cli.di.unipi.it (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06776; Tue, 21 Sep 93 11:26:16 +0100 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 93 11:26:16 +0100 From: buonomo@cli.di.unipi.it Message-Id: <9309211026.AA06776@transy.di.unipi.it.cli.di.unipi.it> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Amos Pro bug? Status: RO I have Amos Pro Compiler and when i`ve tried to compile a very large program (over 270K) Amos gives me strange results. It starts creating an enormous files on my HD (i have an A1200 with 120MB HD), of over 3 megabyte and then crashes my amiga with an 80...03 gurus. It's perhaps a problem of the EPU hr that i have on the Amos partition? Another question: how can i save my resource programs on disk to be loaded from the resource bank creator (if i save it as a long string i can`t edit it from Ed). I tried dividing my string in pieces terminated by a CHR$(10); is it correct? thank in advance Lorenzo Buonomo EMAIL address: buonomo@cli.di.unipi.it From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 21 11:48:15 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA25938 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 21 Sep 1993 11:48:08 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA12181; Tue, 21 Sep 93 11:47:39 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA16381 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 21 Sep 1993 11:31:46 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA16377 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 21 Sep 1993 11:31:44 -0400 Received: from ns-mx.uiowa.edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA23770 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 21 Sep 1993 11:31:33 -0400 Received: from umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu by ns-mx.uiowa.edu (5.64.jnf/921215) on Tue, 21 Sep 93 10:31:29 -0500 id AA15121 with SMTP Received: by umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (5.61.jnf/930730) on Tue, 21 Sep 93 10:31:02 -0500 id AA11832 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1993 10:17:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: Pro Compiler Oddity To: AMOS posting In-Reply-To: <9309210936.AA16610@faw.uni-ulm.de> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO On Tue, 21 Sep 1993, Heiner Amthauer wrote: > Hi Chris, > > well, it's know problem, that the compiler has some bugs. Your's is quite > interessting. I had this 2 problems with the compiler: > > 1. A proggy i wrote with AMOS Pro V1.0 does not work either with AMOS ProV2.0 nor the compiler > > 2. A proggy i wrote with AMOS Pro V2.0 worked perfectly nice but the compiler > crashed while compiling it (NOTE ! not the compiled proggy crashed but the > compiler crashed WHILE compiling !) (i repeat myself, i know :). This should > never happen anyway. The file was only 13k size. > > So, you see, at the moment the Pro compiler is more a bug than usefull stuff, > but Francois promissed to work on it. I got the compiler a week or so ago and one of the things that surprised me the most was how well it worked. I had heard of all kinds of problems, but the only two that seem to have affected my programs (knock on wood) are the way a few of my banks changed length (not a bug -- thanks for the explaination) and the MAX command. MAX does some pretty bizarre stuff so I had to change to IF THEN statements which was not too hard to do. I'm glad Francois will continue to debug the Pro Compiler, and that the issue of whether he was dropping AMOS has been settled. The way the Pro Compiler is integrated into the editor is great. No more SAVE AS to RAM disk, compile, and OPEN NEW to compile -- just one menu selection. I especially hated it that if you hadn't TESTed your program you had to re-SAVE AS, etc. I got Blitz Basic II a few weeks ago (just before I heard it might be on the cover disk -- as usual my timing is great) and even though it has some great commands (like sprite collision with color register detection) I still program in AMOS just because of the editor. When I get around to doing something with Blitz I'll post a decent comparison. Actually, I don't mind having gotten Blitz Basic II in an actual box rather that on a cover disk. I think with programming languages, if you don't have a good manual to refer to you aren't going to go very far. It's like people who try to use AMOS somely from the cover disk version and the few articles that have been published with it -- it's possible to do some good work, but it sure is difficult to use everything the language has to offer. Chris R > > greetings > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Heiner Amthauer email: amthauer@faw.uni-ulm.de From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 21 17:55:56 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA29797 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 21 Sep 1993 17:55:49 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA19142; Tue, 21 Sep 93 17:54:52 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA21913 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 21 Sep 1993 17:44:01 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA21909 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 21 Sep 1993 17:43:59 -0400 Received: from vax.mbhs.edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA27886 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 21 Sep 1993 17:43:54 -0400 Message-Id: <199309212143.AA27886@access.digex.net> Date: 21 Sep 93 17:40:00 EST From: "Andrew Church" <95ACHURCH@vax.mbhs.edu> Subject: Procedure library (again) To: "amos-list" Status: O When you send me a procedure for inclusion in the library, please also include a short "readme" file (like those on Aminet) that describes what the procedure's function is. If possible, I'd also like an example program that I can use to test the procedure, just to make sure it works. I'd prefer that you use the following format for your readme file: [Required items] NAME_OF_PROCEDURE Description : A short description of the procedure's function. 1 or 2 sentences should be enough in most cases. Calling format: How to call the procedure, and what its parameters are. E.g. MYPROC[num1,num2,sumadr] num1,num2 - numbers to work with sumadr - ADDRESS of sum (use Varptr()) Return value : What your procedure returns. If none, write "None". Author : Your name, and your e-mail address. [Optional item] Special notes : If your procedure only works with AMOS Pro, or if it requires a special library, or another procedure, say so here. If there's anything else you think I should know, put that here too. --Andy Church From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 21 18:52:39 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA09281 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 21 Sep 1993 18:52:37 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA28963; Tue, 21 Sep 93 18:52:23 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA23874 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 21 Sep 1993 18:38:48 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA23868 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 21 Sep 1993 18:38:44 -0400 Received: from diemen.utas.edu.au by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA07459 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 21 Sep 1993 18:38:39 -0400 Received: from ecc.tased.edu.au (zaphod.ecc.tased.edu.AU) by diemen.utas.edu.au with SMTP id AA24339 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 22 Sep 1993 08:38:35 +1000 Received: from slick.clare.tased.edu.au by ecc.tased.edu.au (PMDF #3100 ) id <01H38R281UZK8ZE9P4@ecc.tased.edu.au>; Wed, 22 Sep 1993 08:38:26 +1000 Received: from charon1.clare.tased.edu.au by slick.clare.tased.edu.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07461; Wed, 22 Sep 93 08:34:06 EST Received: From ASGARD/WORKQUEUE by charon1.clare.tased.edu.au via Charon-4.0-VROOM with IPX id 100.930922084244.416; 22 Sep 93 08:37:19 -1100 Date: 22 Sep 93 08:42:38 GMT+10 From: Paul Reece Subject: Blitz To: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: amos-list@access.digex.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v2.1b. Status: O Who was it that said that Blitz Basic 2 would be on a coverdisk??? Maybe it is only a demo because Blitz has only just been released in the UK!!!! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Reece preece@slick.clare.tased.edu.au paul_ree@asgard.clare.tased.edu.au Student & Network Assistant (UNIX) ds041@cleveland.freenet.edu Claremont College, Tasmania, Australia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---AMIGA 500 - 2 MB RAM - 2 DRIVES - KICKSTART 2.05 & 1.3 - ONLY AMIGA!!--- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 21 19:04:51 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA11908 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 21 Sep 1993 19:04:49 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA01484; Tue, 21 Sep 93 19:04:21 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA24240 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 21 Sep 1993 18:54:15 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA24236 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 21 Sep 1993 18:54:13 -0400 Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA09462 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 21 Sep 1993 18:54:11 -0400 Received: from elms.concept.com.au (actually 192.132.41.250) by bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au with SMTP (PP); Wed, 22 Sep 1993 08:53:43 +1000 Received: by elms.concept.com.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10326; Wed, 22 Sep 93 08:53:49 EST Date: Wed, 22 Sep 93 08:53:49 EST From: Tom Plackowski Message-Id: <9309212253.AA10326@elms.concept.com.au> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Giveaway software, pay for manuals Status: O >I got Blitz Basic II a few weeks ago (just before I heard it might be on >the cover disk -- as usual my timing is great) and even though it has some > ... >don't mind having gotten Blitz Basic II in an actual box rather that on a >cover disk. I think with programming languages, if you don't have a good >manual to refer to you aren't going to go very far. It's like people who >try to use AMOS somely from the cover disk version and the few articles >that have been published with it -- it's possible to do some good work, >but it sure is difficult to use everything the language has to offer. Yes. It seems rather a clever marketing ploy. Its sort of like shareware - try the software, then pay for the manual if you like it. The software is virtually free anyway (very cheap to duplicate). Its just not very useful without the manual. A lot of copy protection works like that - you pay for the manual and get a free disk with it. Just look at any flight simulator! 8-) Another clever thing this CoverDisk idea does is get a lot of extra exposure for the product. Plus, a lot of people who get it will hear that AMOSPro is out and that they would "find it much better"... What better way to market a product that has just been superseded? // Tom From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Sep 22 14:55:06 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA11250 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 22 Sep 1993 14:55:04 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA05456; Wed, 22 Sep 93 14:54:32 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA04293 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Wed, 22 Sep 1993 14:39:27 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA04289 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 22 Sep 1993 14:39:26 -0400 Received: from vax.mbhs.edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA09270 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 22 Sep 1993 14:39:21 -0400 Message-Id: <199309221839.AA09270@access.digex.net> Date: 22 Sep 93 14:28:00 EST From: "Andrew Church" <95ACHURCH@vax.mbhs.edu> Subject: Re: Hardware Sprite Problems To: "amos-list" Status: RO >I have a strange problem. I am writting an asteroids game, in which the >two players ships are hardware sprites. Everything works fine on my 1Mb >A500, but on a friends 512K machine, the second players ship is not drawn >correctly, and bits of sprite start appear all over the screen. > >I use real sprites, not computed sprites - numbers 6 & 7, and at other times >I have more sprites on screen which all work OK. You're probably experiencing a DMA clash between the sprite & playfield DMA. Use different sprites instead. As a general rule, don't use sprites 6 and 7 unless you include a Screen Display to make sure your display starts at a good position (>=128 should work). --Andy Church From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 23 02:00:37 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA07229 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 23 Sep 1993 02:00:35 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA06887; Thu, 23 Sep 93 02:00:16 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA12781 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 23 Sep 1993 01:43:44 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA12777 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 23 Sep 1993 01:43:42 -0400 Received: from phoenix.oulu.fi by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA06171 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 23 Sep 1993 01:43:40 -0400 Received: by phoenix.oulu.fi (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA16061; Thu, 23 Sep 1993 08:43:35 +0300 From: rkkr@phoenix.oulu.fi (Reima Ronkko) Message-Id: <9309230543.AA16061@phoenix.oulu.fi> Subject: AD-converter To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1993 08:43:34 -0100 (GMT-2:00) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 127 Status: RO Hello other Amos-freaks !! Does anybody know how to use Amos with AD-converter (sampler) ? Reima R|nkk| rkkr@phoenix.oulu.fi From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 23 10:31:45 1993 Received: from po.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA02173 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 23 Sep 1993 10:31:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from svcs1.digex.net by po.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.9.3) id AA00116; Thu, 23 Sep 93 10:15:45 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA14285 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 23 Sep 1993 09:55:23 -0400 Received: from relay1.pipex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA14281 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 23 Sep 1993 09:55:21 -0400 Received: from prlhp1.prl.philips.co.uk by relay1.pipex.net with SMTP (PP) id <24111-0@relay1.pipex.net>; Thu, 23 Sep 1993 14:54:46 +0100 Received: from prlvax6 by prlhp1.prl.philips.co.uk; Thu, 23 Sep 93 14:49:02 bst Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1993 14:59:04 GMT From: "PRL6A::UKRBAKE"@prl.philips.co.uk (ukrbake@prl.philips.co.uk) Message-Id: <930923145904.202002cb@prl.philips.co.uk> Subject: RE: Get Rom Fonts To: amos-list@svcs1.digex.net X-Vmsmail-To: prl6::SMTP%"amos-list@svcs1.digex.net" Status: RO >i'm writing a program with a lot of Interface strings in it. Im' using two >different fonts: topaz 8 & 9.If i use instructions like these: > Get Rom Fonts > Set Font 1 (or 2) >Can i be sure to obtain the same font (topaz 8 or 9) and every amiga? >If not, how can i do this? Pretty easy to do. I'm not sure about it changing for fonts 1 and 2, but the disc ones will, and once you have loaded the disc ones into memory, they appear as rom fonts (well, they do on my 500P). So, just get a routine that searches through the information strings to find a font by name + point size. This is what I do, it works very well. (can't remember the details, but it's all in the manual, and is very easy to do.) Hope this helps. Mark Baker From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 23 13:17:57 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA23736 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 23 Sep 1993 13:17:52 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA05614; Thu, 23 Sep 93 10:18:28 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net ) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA13828 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 23 Sep 1993 08:57:24 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA13824 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 23 Sep 1993 08:57:17 -0400 Received: from apollo.di.unipi.it by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA17653 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 23 Sep 1993 08:57:01 -0400 Received: from gladio.di.unipi.it by apollo.di.unipi.it with SMTP (16.7/16.2) id AA05704; Thu, 23 Sep 93 11:43:55 +0200 Received: from transy.di.unipi.it by gladio.di.unipi.it with SMTP (16.6/16.2) id AA22979; Thu, 23 Sep 93 03:13:32 +0200 Received: by transy.di.unipi.it.cli.di.unipi.it (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18612; Thu, 23 Sep 93 11:47:53 +0100 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 93 11:47:53 +0100 From: buonomo@cli.di.unipi.it Message-Id: <9309231047.AA18612@transy.di.unipi.it.cli.di.unipi.it> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Get Rom Fonts Status: RO A little question: i'm writing a program with a lot of Interface strings in it. Im' using two different fonts: topaz 8 & 9.If i use instructions like these: Get Rom Fonts Set Font 1 (or 2) Can i be sure to obtain the same font (topaz 8 or 9) and every amiga? If not, how can i do this? A question for F. Lionet: why 16 pixel limitation for ED & DI Interface instructions? And why even strings limitation? If i try to obtain a 2 digit DI i'm obbligated to use a 3 digit number and then control it. Why i can't use ZoneChange to modify the string or the number of these instructions. If is possible to remove these limitations... P.S. if someone had an answer for my initial question, please answer me before 30 September. On 1 October i will lose my EMAIL address and i unsubscribe myself. Thanks Lorenzo Buonomo EMAIL: buonomo@cli.di.unipi.it From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 23 13:56:09 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA28792 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 23 Sep 1993 13:56:05 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA05530; Thu, 23 Sep 93 12:23:32 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net ) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA15541 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 23 Sep 1993 12:01:55 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA15537 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 23 Sep 1993 12:01:53 -0400 Received: from essvax.plk.af.mil by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA14116 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 23 Sep 1993 12:01:48 -0400 Message-Id: <199309231601.AA14116@access.digex.net> Date: 23 Sep 93 09:44:00 MDT From: "TOLLEFSON, MARK" Subject: Looking for better way To: "amos-list" Status: RO I am writing a small LOGO interpreter for my Daughter, to match the one she uses at school. I'm using AMOS Creator on an A3000. I need to have a small graphic element (the turtle) move over another large graphic without affecting it. A sprite exhibits just these characteristics, and would be a wonderful choice except that I want the turtle to always point in the direction of motion and change color (a chamelian turtle?) when the drawing color is changed. I don't know how to do this without storing MANY (all possible) sprite images. Could someone tell me how to COMPUTE a new sprite? I need to know how the sprite's image is stored (the storage format) and where to find it. The turtle image is a simple triangle, so that part is easy. Alternatively, is there another method? I have successfully done it using dual playfield... drawing the turtle on one screen and the graphics on a second... but I am limited (by AMOS) to low resolution. I want to use 640x400 (hires) interlaced with at least 8 colors. (After all, the Amiga version MUST look better than the Apple version, right?) Any help is appreciated! Mark reply to the group or E-mail: mvt@holodeck.plk.af.mil or: Tollefson@plk.af.mil Albuquerque, NM, USA Amateur radio: N5XYV From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 23 15:51:01 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA06346 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 23 Sep 1993 15:50:57 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA16306; Thu, 23 Sep 93 13:16:39 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net ) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA15911 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 23 Sep 1993 12:53:58 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA15907 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 23 Sep 1993 12:53:56 -0400 Received: from mail.lth.se (nic.lth.se) by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA20758 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 23 Sep 1993 12:53:52 -0400 Received: from dit.lth.se by mail.lth.se with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0oftvR-000MVLC; Thu, 23 Sep 93 18:53 MET DST Received: from hera.dit.lth.se by dit.lth.se (4.1/DIt/gate BR ); Thu, 23 Sep 93 18:54:10 +0200 (MET) Received: from loopback by hera.dit.lth.se (4.1/); Thu, 23 Sep 93 18:50:30 +0200 (MET) Message-Id: <9309231650.AA01710@hera.dit.lth.se> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Looking for better way In-Reply-To: Your message of "23 Sep 93 09:44:00 MDT." <199309231601.AA14116@access.digex.net> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 93 18:50:25 +0200 From: hakan@hera.dit.lth.se Status: RO > I am writing a small LOGO interpreter for my Daughter, to match the one > she uses at school. I'm using AMOS Creator on an A3000. > > I need to have a small graphic element (the turtle) move over another > large graphic without affecting it. A sprite exhibits just these > characteristics, and would be a wonderful choice except that I want the > turtle to always point in the direction of motion and change color > (a chamelian turtle?) when the drawing color is changed. I don't know > how to do this without storing MANY (all possible) sprite images. > > Could someone tell me how to COMPUTE a new sprite? I need to know > how the sprite's image is stored (the storage format) and where > to find it. The turtle image is a simple triangle, so that part > is easy. > > Alternatively, is there another method? I have successfully done it > using dual playfield... drawing the turtle on one screen and the graphics > on a second... but I am limited (by AMOS) to low resolution. I want to > use 640x400 (hires) interlaced with at least 8 colors. (After all, > the Amiga version MUST look better than the Apple version, right?) You can also make this by openig 2 screens, one containing the graphics (exept the turtle), and one that is showed. Then you whith in every update makes 1 screen copy, copying the graphics screen to showed screen.Then you add the turtle with 3 draw commands. Maby you need the showed screen double buffered so that it wont flicker :-) / /\ *-------------------------------------* / / \ | Hakan Ardo (hakan@hera.dit.lth.se) | /----/----\ | Programing C, XView and Amos | / / \ | Running them all Sparc, Amiga, (Pc) | / / \ *-------------------------------------* Always interested in hardware hacks, 3D graphics, animations... Still searching for a SANA-II PPP driver, any suggestions? From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 23 13:58:11 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA28936 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 23 Sep 1993 13:58:06 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA09581; Thu, 23 Sep 93 12:42:02 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net ) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA15610 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 23 Sep 1993 12:27:51 -0400 Received: from relay1.pipex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA15606 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 23 Sep 1993 12:27:49 -0400 Received: from prlhp1.prl.philips.co.uk by relay1.pipex.net with SMTP (PP) id <28356-0@relay1.pipex.net>; Thu, 23 Sep 1993 17:27:39 +0100 Received: from prlvax6 by prlhp1.prl.philips.co.uk; Thu, 23 Sep 93 17:21:46 bst Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1993 17:31:47 GMT From: "PRL6A::UKRBAKE"@prl.philips.co.uk (ukrbake@prl.philips.co.uk) Message-Id: <930923173147.202002f2@prl.philips.co.uk> Subject: RE: Get Rom Fonts (fwd) To: amos-list@svcs1.digex.net X-Vmsmail-To: prl6::SMTP%"amos-list@svcs1.digex.net" Status: RO :> >different fonts: topaz 8 & 9.If i use instructions like these: :> > Get Rom Fonts :> > Set Font 1 (or 2) :> >Can i be sure to obtain the same font (topaz 8 or 9) and every amiga? :> >If not, how can i do this? :> :> Pretty easy to do. I'm not sure about it changing for fonts 1 and 2, but the :> disc ones will, and once you have loaded the disc ones into memory, they :appear :> as rom fonts (well, they do on my 500P). So, just get a routine that :searches :> through the information strings to find a font by name + point size. This is :> what I do, it works very well. (can't remember the details, but it's all in :the :> manual, and is very easy to do.) : :But getting disc fonts is _slow_. The "LDos" extension lets you load directly :from :disc the font you want. "Get disc fonts" when your fonts:-directory has a :couple of :hundred fonts is a pain. Yeah? Did I say it was a _quick_ method?? I said it was _easy_ and he was only talking about ROM fonts here, without getting into speed or extensions. However, having griped about that, what the hell is LDos then, I have never heard of it (that reminds me, does anyone have a list of extensions?) You should bear in mind that with a couple of hundred files in a directory, getting a listing using anything will be slow (due to crappy file system on amigas.. where's my FAT???). Right, that's that sorted, then! Mark Baker From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 23 13:54:26 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA28622 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 23 Sep 1993 13:54:23 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA04618; Thu, 23 Sep 93 12:18:40 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net ) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA14862 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 23 Sep 1993 11:20:29 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA14858 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 23 Sep 1993 11:20:27 -0400 Received: from boa.cc.lut.fi by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA08268 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 23 Sep 1993 11:20:24 -0400 Received: by boa.cc.lut.fi (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4/Kim-2.2) id AA07583; Thu, 23 Sep 1993 18:20:22 +0300 From: Kimmo Veijalainen Message-Id: <199309231520.AA07583@boa.cc.lut.fi> Subject: RE: Get Rom Fonts (fwd) To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Thu, 23 Sep 93 18:20:21 EETDST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: RO > >different fonts: topaz 8 & 9.If i use instructions like these: > > Get Rom Fonts > > Set Font 1 (or 2) > >Can i be sure to obtain the same font (topaz 8 or 9) and every amiga? > >If not, how can i do this? > > Pretty easy to do. I'm not sure about it changing for fonts 1 and 2, but the > disc ones will, and once you have loaded the disc ones into memory, they appear > as rom fonts (well, they do on my 500P). So, just get a routine that searches > through the information strings to find a font by name + point size. This is > what I do, it works very well. (can't remember the details, but it's all in the > manual, and is very easy to do.) But getting disc fonts is _slow_. The "LDos" extension lets you load directly from disc the font you want. "Get disc fonts" when your fonts:-directory has a couple of hundred fonts is a pain. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 23 16:00:05 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA10155 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 23 Sep 1993 16:00:00 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA02480; Thu, 23 Sep 93 14:41:06 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net ) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA16247 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 23 Sep 1993 14:23:56 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA16243 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 23 Sep 1993 14:23:54 -0400 Received: from vax.mbhs.edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA02150 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 23 Sep 1993 14:23:49 -0400 Message-Id: <199309231823.AA02150@access.digex.net> Date: 23 Sep 93 14:13:00 EST From: "Andrew Church" <95ACHURCH@vax.mbhs.edu> Subject: Re: Get Rom Fonts To: "amos-list" Status: RO >A little question: >i'm writing a program with a lot of Interface strings in it. Im' using two >different fonts: topaz 8 & 9.If i use instructions like these: > Get Rom Fonts > Set Font 1 (or 2) >Can i be sure to obtain the same font (topaz 8 or 9) and every amiga? >If not, how can i do this? An OpenFont procedure is now part of my procedure library. It opens a font with a given name and size, and returns the "Set Font" number, without calling Get Disc Fonts. I'll send this to you uuencoded if you like. --Andy Church From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 23 18:09:02 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA06321 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 23 Sep 1993 18:09:00 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA24349; Thu, 23 Sep 93 16:30:50 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net ) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA17331 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 23 Sep 1993 16:12:50 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA17327 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 23 Sep 1993 16:12:48 -0400 Received: from ACS.BU.EDU by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA15529 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 23 Sep 1993 16:12:46 -0400 Received: from ACS2.BU.EDU by acs.bu.edu (5.61+++/AIX-3.2) id AA307469; Thu, 23 Sep 93 16:11:16 -0400 From: hacker@acs.bu.edu (Jose Elias) Received: by acs2.bu.edu (5.61+++/Spike-2.1) id AA121408; Thu, 23 Sep 93 16:10:49 -0400 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 93 16:10:49 -0400 Message-Id: <9309232010.AA121408@acs2.bu.edu> To: amos-list@access.digex.net, tollefson@essvax.plk.af.mil Subject: Re: Looking for better way Status: RO What you need to use is one of the things that made the amiga famous: the blitter, to create blitter objects (or Bobs). Amos has direct support for them directly. These are NOT hardware sprites, but rather software sprites assisted by hi-speed hardware. So you gain the ability to have "sprites" of ANY size and number of colors (same as the screen though), with the expense of a little speed loss (I bet you won't notice the difference AT ALL for the application you're going to use them for). So look in the manual section for "bobs" or "blitter objects". You'll be amazed at what you can do. Sincerely, hacker@acs.bu.edu p.s.: There's Logo for the amiga, why don't you buy that instead and save some time to write some games instead??? :-) p.s.#2: Commodore makes logo, and I think I saw it listed VERY cheap somewhere in AmigaWorld and/or Amazing Amiga. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 23 19:50:38 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA27680 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 23 Sep 1993 19:50:30 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA06169; Thu, 23 Sep 93 19:48:49 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA23334 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 23 Sep 1993 19:33:44 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA23330 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 23 Sep 1993 19:33:43 -0400 Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA20052 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 23 Sep 1993 19:33:40 -0400 Received: from elms.concept.com.au (actually 192.132.41.250) by bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au with SMTP (PP); Fri, 24 Sep 1993 09:33:33 +1000 Received: by elms.concept.com.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29016; Fri, 24 Sep 93 09:32:58 EST Date: Fri, 24 Sep 93 09:32:58 EST From: Tom Plackowski Message-Id: <9309232332.AA29016@elms.concept.com.au> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Get Rom Fonts Status: RO > An OpenFont procedure is now part of my procedure library. It opens a font > --Andy Church Andy, is this on Aminet somewhere? (So that I can get it.) // Tom From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 23 21:08:27 1993 Received: from po.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA04458 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 23 Sep 1993 21:08:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from svcs1.digex.net by po.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.9.3) id AA17558; Thu, 23 Sep 93 18:38:23 -0400 from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for ) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA21912 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 23 Sep 1993 18:28:30 -0400 Received: from mach1.wlu.ca by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA21908 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 23 Sep 1993 18:28:26 -0400 Received: by mach1.wlu.ca (5.65/1.35) id AA14864; Thu, 23 Sep 93 18:20:05 -0400 From: mart4678@mach1.wlu.ca (Phil Martin u) Message-Id: <9309232220.AA14864@mach1.wlu.ca> Subject: Re: Looking for better way (fwd) To: amos-list@svcs1.digex.net (AMOS Mail List) Date: Thu, 23 Sep 93 18:20:04 EDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL13] Status: RO Forwarded message: > > Alternatively, is there another method? I have successfully done it > > using dual playfield... drawing the turtle on one screen and the graphics > > on a second... but I am limited (by AMOS) to low resolution. I want to > > use 640x400 (hires) interlaced with at least 8 colors. (After all, > > the Amiga version MUST look better than the Apple version, right?) > > You can also make this by openig 2 screens, one containing the graphics > (exept the turtle), and one that is showed. Then you whith in every > update makes 1 screen copy, copying the graphics screen to showed > screen.Then you add the turtle with 3 draw commands. Maby you need > the showed screen double buffered so that it wont flicker :-) Better than that, use a small (not too small or you'll have memory corruption problems) two-colour screen that is hidden, and draw your triangle there, always in the same position, but with the correct direction. Then pick it up as a sprite or a bob (using Get Sprite/Get Bob) and then put it where you want it on the actual working screen. Your A3000 can easily handle the minor CPU requirements... You could reserve one colour (out of say a 16 colour palette) for the pointer, and simply change the value in that colour register to match the value for the current colour... Also, you should _always_ use double buffered screens for anything that you're doing graphics operations on. The tiny little bit of extra trouble is more than compensated for by the improvement in looks. > > / /\ *-------------------------------------* > / / \ | Hakan Ardo (hakan@hera.dit.lth.se) | > /----/----\ | Programing C, XView and Amos | > / / \ | Running them all Sparc, Amiga, (Pc) | > / / \ *-------------------------------------* > Always interested in hardware hacks, 3D graphics, animations... > Still searching for a SANA-II PPP driver, any suggestions? > Phil Martin. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Sep 24 07:19:51 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA17956 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 24 Sep 1993 07:19:50 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA10676; Fri, 24 Sep 93 03:56:36 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net ) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA13426 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Fri, 24 Sep 1993 03:43:55 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA13422 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 24 Sep 1993 03:43:53 -0400 Received: from cc.lut.fi by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA20573 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 24 Sep 1993 03:43:50 -0400 Received: by cc.lut.fi (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4/Kim-2.2) id AA23701; Fri, 24 Sep 1993 10:43:48 +0300 From: Kimmo Veijalainen Message-Id: <199309240743.AA23701@cc.lut.fi> Subject: new Amos prog on AmiNet To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Fri, 24 Sep 93 10:43:48 EETDST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: RO Yup, i finally uploaded my asciipic-creator "SigMaker" to Aminet. It's in text/misc, the filename is "SigMaker1.32b.lha". It probably is full of bugs, so report me if/when you find any (or have any suggestions). -- _ C=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- _ // K.Veijalainen | "If it moves, shoot it, and if it doesn't, = \X/ veijalai@cc.lut.fi | it's an obstacle that must be destroyed." = Amiga C=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 23 23:07:46 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA04069 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 23 Sep 1993 23:07:44 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA19650; Thu, 23 Sep 93 23:07:23 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA24220 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 23 Sep 1993 22:55:12 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA24216 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 23 Sep 1993 22:55:09 -0400 Received: from eiffel.aelmg.adelaide.edu.au by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA28283 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 23 Sep 1993 22:55:05 -0400 Received: by eiffel.aelmg.adelaide.edu.au (5.57/ITD-Ultrix-FMA-920719) id AA27373; Fri, 24 Sep 93 12:28:52 +0930 From: n1djwate@aelmg.adelaide.edu.au (dj waters) Message-Id: <9309240258.AA27373@eiffel.aelmg.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: RE: Get Rom Fonts To: amos-list@access.digex.net (amos-list@access.digex.com) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 93 12:28:51 CST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: RO Mark Baker wrote about a routine that sets the font according to its name. Well, for those of you who have heard about Andrew Church's procedure library, I have written just such a routine for you to use. I believe he is uploading it to Aminet very soon, so you can just use mine if you like (although it's not exactly a complex routine.....) -- *************************************************************** * Derek Waters * * aka "Maverick"* * E-Mail:n1djwate@aelmg.adelaide.edu.au * * * * "Kill him a lot!" - Buffy the Vampire Slayer * * "They'll have to kill me before I die!" - Yellowbeard * * "We'll do it the old Navy way - whoever dies first, * * loses!" - Hot Shots 2 * *************************************************************** - Do you think I'm obsessed with death???? 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) - From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 23 23:17:54 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA08898 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 23 Sep 1993 23:17:51 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA21789; Thu, 23 Sep 93 23:17:27 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA24226 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 23 Sep 1993 22:58:04 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA24222 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 23 Sep 1993 22:57:51 -0400 Received: from eiffel.aelmg.adelaide.edu.au by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA29634 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 23 Sep 1993 22:57:47 -0400 Received: by eiffel.aelmg.adelaide.edu.au (5.57/ITD-Ultrix-FMA-920719) id AA27418; Fri, 24 Sep 93 12:31:11 +0930 From: n1djwate@aelmg.adelaide.edu.au (dj waters) Message-Id: <9309240301.AA27418@eiffel.aelmg.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Looking for better way To: tollefson@essvax.plk.af.mil (TOLLEFSON, MARK) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 93 12:31:10 CST Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net In-Reply-To: <199309231601.AA14116@access.digex.net>; from "TOLLEFSON, MARK" at Sep 23, 93 9:44 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: RO > > I need to have a small graphic element (the turtle) move over another > large graphic without affecting it. A sprite exhibits just these > characteristics, and would be a wonderful choice except that I want the > turtle to always point in the direction of motion and change color > (a chamelian turtle?) when the drawing color is changed. I don't know > how to do this without storing MANY (all possible) sprite images. > Couldn't you open a dummy screen, redraw the image, and cut it out using the Get Sprite command? I don't know if it will work, but I think it should.. Let me know how it turns out! > Could someone tell me how to COMPUTE a new sprite? I need to know > how the sprite's image is stored (the storage format) and where > to find it. The turtle image is a simple triangle, so that part > is easy. > Sorry... I don't know? -- *************************************************************** * Derek Waters * * aka "Maverick"* * E-Mail:n1djwate@aelmg.adelaide.edu.au * * * * "Kill him a lot!" - Buffy the Vampire Slayer * * "They'll have to kill me before I die!" - Yellowbeard * * "We'll do it the old Navy way - whoever dies first, * * loses!" - Hot Shots 2 * *************************************************************** - Do you think I'm obsessed with death???? 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) - From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Sep 24 07:28:50 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA18497 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 24 Sep 1993 07:28:46 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA10349; Fri, 24 Sep 93 03:38:15 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net ) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA11945 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Fri, 24 Sep 1993 03:24:13 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA11937 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 24 Sep 1993 03:24:09 -0400 Received: from trout.nosc.mil by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA03704 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 24 Sep 1993 03:24:07 -0400 Received: from manta.nosc.mil by trout.nosc.mil (5.59/1.27) id AA13025; Fri, 24 Sep 93 00:24:04 PDT Received: by manta.nosc.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27712; Fri, 24 Sep 93 00:23:27 PDT Date: Fri, 24 Sep 93 00:23:27 PDT From: czar1@manta.nosc.mil (Scott C. Czarcinski) Message-Id: <9309240723.AA27712@manta.nosc.mil> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: InterfaceEx Status: RO ------- Hey, OK, I think I figured out the problem I was having. As it turns out the server I use does not allow or like the backslash character. This means the previous archieve I sent will not de UUencode. (I've tested this on by mailing to myself first, so I know it works!!!) 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Direct cut & paste of the code is a copyright infringement. (This code come right out of my software.) - Enough of the legal stuff. If you have any questions, please feel free to send me a note!!! Scott Czarcinski czar1@nosc.mil ------- From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Sep 24 08:26:25 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA24296 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 24 Sep 1993 08:26:22 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA29409; Fri, 24 Sep 93 08:26:09 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA22275 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Fri, 24 Sep 1993 07:38:34 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA22271 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 24 Sep 1993 07:38:32 -0400 Received: by access.digex.net id AA19079 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list@access.digex.com); Fri, 24 Sep 1993 07:38:30 -0400 From: Michael 'AMOS' Cox Message-Id: <199309241138.AA19079@access.digex.net> Subject: I'm back . . . To: amos-list@access.digex.net (AMOS Mailing List) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1993 07:38:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1299 Status: RO Well, after 3 months of working 20 hour days, I am back and ready to do some serious AMOS coding. First, I have a new A1200 w/120MB HD, 1230XA 50/50/4 (6MB total). All I have to say is if you were thinking about an A1200, stop! Go buy it now! It is an awesome machine! You should see how AMOS and Pro blaze when loading, sorting, compiling, and TESTING!! I can load and run SpriteX in just a second or 2! Anyway, back to coding. I want to say that I am glad someone (sorry I forgot who it was) has uploaded some examples of the Interface language. I need to re-write the AmoNER front-end and we want to use AMOS Pro's Interface. BTW, AmoNER #7 will finally be out this weekend. It just includes an arcade game that Gal-on Broner wrote as an exercise. A nice game with a nice explanation of how it works. Also, I will soon have a list of all the registered extensions and how much they cost (for US and Canada). I assume everyone in Europe can call the UK club and order them for less. Be seeing you! Mike -- Michael Cox Work: mcox@access.digex.com Amiga Conquers, AMOS Rules! Play: aj639@cleveland.freenet.edu This space intentionally left blank Fido: 1:109/456.0 The text above is my own and all that other disclaimer junk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Sep 24 08:18:26 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA23485 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 24 Sep 1993 08:18:25 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA28753; Fri, 24 Sep 93 08:18:09 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA22508 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Fri, 24 Sep 1993 07:50:22 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA22502 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 24 Sep 1993 07:50:21 -0400 Received: from vax.mbhs.edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA20044 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 24 Sep 1993 07:50:18 -0400 Message-Id: <199309241150.AA20044@access.digex.net> Date: 24 Sep 93 07:26:00 EST From: "Andrew Church" <95ACHURCH@vax.mbhs.edu> Subject: Procedure Library To: "amos-list" Status: RO Seeing the interest in my procedure library, I'll upload it on 1st October. At that time I'll also post a list of the procedures in the library. The procedure library will probably go in /pub/aminet/dev/amos. --Andy Church From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Sep 24 08:36:38 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA25554 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 24 Sep 1993 08:36:36 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA00543; Fri, 24 Sep 93 08:36:24 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA00251 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Fri, 24 Sep 1993 08:15:05 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA00239 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 24 Sep 1993 08:15:01 -0400 Received: from wraith.cs.uow.edu.au by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA20453 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 24 Sep 1993 07:56:07 -0400 Received: by wraith.cs.uow.edu.au (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); id AA17318; Fri, 24 Sep 1993 20:07:32 +1000 (from u9147063 for amos-list@access.digex.net) From: Richard Barry Ling Message-Id: <199309241007.AA17318@wraith.cs.uow.edu.au> Subject: Looking for better way To: amos-list@access.digex.net (AMOS User group) Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1993 20:07:31 +1000 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 3174 Status: RO > > I am writing a small LOGO interpreter for my Daughter, to match the one > she uses at school. I'm using AMOS Creator on an A3000. > > I need to have a small graphic element (the turtle) move over another > large graphic without affecting it. A sprite exhibits just these > characteristics, and would be a wonderful choice except that I want the > turtle to always point in the direction of motion and change color > (a chamelian turtle?) when the drawing color is changed. I don't know > how to do this without storing MANY (all possible) sprite images. I can see a couple of easy solutions to this problem. For the colour change, why store huge numbers of images of the turtle in each colour, when you can change the RGB value of the sprite? Use colour number 1 for the turtle images, and you can instantly chameleonize (?) the turtle to match the current drawing colour using Colour 17,$RGB. For the rotation, one idea is to store a sprite of the turtle pointing in each direction, stepping by a certain angle. You certainly won't need 360 images of the turtle rotating by 1 degree increments - you'll never notice the change from one image to the next. You may find that increments of say 10 degrees are plenty, giving only 36 images needed. You then use arithmetic to convert the angle in degrees to the image number you want. Alternatively, you can generate the sprite for a particular angle on the fly. Set up a tiny invisible screen, and each time the turtle rotates, draw the turtle onto the hidden screen using the trig functions. Grab it with the Get Sprite command, and you're away. This should be plenty fast enough. Using this method, combined with the palette change mentioned before, you don't need to store any sprites with your program at all! Or, you can use this method to initially generate your sprites for each angle, and store them along with your program - it would sure beat drawing them by hand! > Alternatively, is there another method? I have successfully done it > using dual playfield... drawing the turtle on one screen and the graphics > on a second... but I am limited (by AMOS) to low resolution. I want to > use 640x400 (hires) interlaced with at least 8 colors. (After all, > the Amiga version MUST look better than the Apple version, right?) You can use the low-res sprite turtle on a high-res screen, but if you want a high-res turtle too, you'll need to use bobs. Everything I write above will work for bobs too, except the colour numbers - you could draw your bob in, say, colour 7 (assuming an 8-colour screen) and use Colour 7,$RGB to change its colour to the current drawing colour. Of course you won't be able to use colour 7 for much else, since it will change all the time. If you need more colours, try using a 16-colour screen. > > Any help is appreciated! > > Mark I hope this does! RL. -- This has been a dinosaur-free announcement. ========================== Generating: .signature Richard Ling - colour analysis... complete u9147063@cs.uow.edu.au - clipping... complete ========================== - rendering... 37.6% From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Sep 24 10:00:31 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA05592 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 24 Sep 1993 10:00:27 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA11661; Fri, 24 Sep 93 09:59:23 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA00636 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Fri, 24 Sep 1993 09:35:22 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA00629 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 24 Sep 1993 09:35:16 -0400 Received: from essvax.plk.af.mil by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA01532 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 24 Sep 1993 09:35:09 -0400 Message-Id: <199309241335.AA01532@access.digex.net> Date: 24 Sep 93 07:23:00 MDT From: "TOLLEFSON, MARK" Subject: Re: Looking for better way To: "amos-list" Status: RO Thanks to everyone who replied on this question ... I now have several options to try out. I'll also be learning more about AMOS which is also good. (If all else fails, I now know there is a commercial version of LOGO out there, too). It is great to have access to knowledgeable and helpful people! Mark From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Sep 24 10:17:53 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA09047 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 24 Sep 1993 10:17:51 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA14291; Fri, 24 Sep 93 10:16:21 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA01429 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Fri, 24 Sep 1993 10:03:50 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA01425 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 24 Sep 1993 10:03:47 -0400 Received: from hearn.nic.surfnet.nl by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA06539 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 24 Sep 1993 10:03:42 -0400 Message-Id: <199309241403.AA06539@access.digex.net> Received: from HNYKUN11.URC.KUN.NL by HEARN.nic.SURFnet.nl (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3952; Fri, 24 Sep 93 15:51:53 CET Received: from HNYKUN11 (NJE origin U249026@HNYKUN11) by HNYKUN11.URC.KUN.NL (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3806; Fri, 24 Sep 1993 15:44:40 +0200 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 93 15:35:03 MET From: Branko Collin Subject: re: logo To: amos-list@access.digex.net Status: RO First, I do not wish to discourage you in programming a Logo interpreter, but there is a very good Logo in the Public Domain, called PowerLOGO. It may even be freeware. Its syntax deviates a bit from regular LOGO (not toomuch and I am not even sure, because it's the only LOGO I've ever used), but as far as I can judge it's definetly worth checking out. It's on a Fishdisk. Second, there were numerous tips for drawing a turtle, most of which involved doing complex stuff, like opening hundreds B-) of screens. Just do this: Gr Write 2 DRAW_TOITLE[ANGLE,X,Y] Gr Write 0 DRAW_TOITLE[ANGLE,X,Y] ...where draw_toitle is your routine to draw a triangle. This technique is also used to get rubberbands and is shown in one of the example files. There is one disadvantage; It will flicker. ....................................................................... . Branko Collin . 'Nonsense is the opposite . . u249026@hnykun11.urc.kun.nl . of sense and should . . // u249026@hnykun11.bitnet . therefor be taken serious- . . \X/ bcollin@mpi.kun.nl (work) . ly.' - I . ....................................................................... From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Sep 25 06:24:14 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA24758 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 25 Sep 1993 06:24:13 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA29575; Sat, 25 Sep 93 06:22:45 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA04702 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Sat, 25 Sep 1993 06:17:29 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA04698 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 25 Sep 1993 06:17:28 -0400 Received: from boa.cc.lut.fi by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA16566 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 25 Sep 1993 06:17:26 -0400 Received: by boa.cc.lut.fi (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4/Kim-2.2) id AA17308; Sat, 25 Sep 1993 13:17:23 +0300 From: Kimmo Veijalainen Message-Id: <199309251017.AA17308@boa.cc.lut.fi> Subject: SigMaker again... To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Sat, 25 Sep 93 13:17:22 EETDST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: RO Sorry, the version I upped to AmiNet was buggy. The new file is "SigMaker1.33b.lha". Please tell me if it works on your machine... The problem is, it works fine when uncompiled. When compiled, the screen redrawing routine prints odd results (wrong colors in wrong places etc). It should be in text/misc. Especially the "Ansi Load" does not work sometimes. Why, I do not know (it also works fine when uncompiled). Thank you in advance. -- _ C=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- _ // K.Veijalainen | "If it moves, shoot it, and if it doesn't, = \X/ veijalai@cc.lut.fi | it's an obstacle that must be destroyed." = Amiga C=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Sep 26 00:23:09 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA19364 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 26 Sep 1993 00:23:07 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA07286; Sun, 26 Sep 93 00:21:34 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA18780 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Sun, 26 Sep 1993 00:09:55 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA18776 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 26 Sep 1993 00:09:53 -0400 Received: from bos1a.delphi.com (delphi.com) by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA09506 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 26 Sep 1993 00:09:51 -0400 Received: from bix.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.2-11 #4520) id <01H3DUGR4QG08Y7IUL@delphi.com>; Sun, 26 Sep 1993 00:09:37 EDT Received: by bix.com (CoSy3.31.1.29) id <9309250253.memo.18353@BIX.com>; Sat, 25 Sep 1993 02:53:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1993 02:53:25 -0400 (EDT) From: sfmcnally@BIX.com Subject: Logo To: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: <9309250253.memo.18353@BIX.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Cosy-To: amos-list@access.digex.com Status: RO If you want to use bobs, the BEST way to do it (AND not lose any colors) is to draw your rotating images in all the bit planes (i.e the top color number, color 7 for an 8 color screen, color 15 for a 16 color screen). Then you just set the bit planes for the turtle bob to the color you want to draw it in, simple! :) Seumas From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Sep 26 00:34:13 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA27894 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 26 Sep 1993 00:34:12 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA07865; Sun, 26 Sep 93 00:32:43 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA18804 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Sun, 26 Sep 1993 00:23:16 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA18800 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 26 Sep 1993 00:23:15 -0400 Received: from bos1c.delphi.com (delphi.com) by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA19148 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 26 Sep 1993 00:22:49 -0400 Received: from bix.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.2-11 #4520) id <01H3DUUZAJJ48Y7IUL@delphi.com>; Sun, 26 Sep 1993 00:21:05 EDT Received: by bix.com (CoSy3.31.1.29) id <9309251602.memo.18845@BIX.com>; Sat, 25 Sep 1993 16:02:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1993 16:02:48 -0400 (EDT) From: sfmcnally@BIX.com Subject: Turbo Extention! To: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: <9309251602.memo.18845@BIX.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Cosy-To: amos-list@access.digex.com Status: RO I picked up the TURBO 1.76 lib on AmiNet yesterday but I can't use it cuz it STILL uses extention #8 which is the same as CText! (And I'm NOT about to give up CText! ;) I would be able to fix it my self IF the source code was in the archive, which it wasn't. I REALLY want to use these instructions but I can't! So can anyone, A: Get me the source so I can fix it myself, or B: Tell Manuel Andre to put Turbo at extention number 13 where it belongs?? ^^ (^^ he might want to contact Aaron Fothergill to make sure 13 is still un used, but the last time I talked to him he said Turbo should go at 13) Thanks Seumas From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Sep 26 18:06:09 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA14342 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 26 Sep 1993 18:06:05 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA01282; Sun, 26 Sep 93 18:04:38 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA05174 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Sun, 26 Sep 1993 17:48:07 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA05170 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 26 Sep 1993 17:48:05 -0400 Received: from bos3a.delphi.com by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA05097 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 26 Sep 1993 17:48:03 -0400 Received: from bix.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.2-11 #4520) id <01H3EVEBITCG8Y4X4T@delphi.com>; Sun, 26 Sep 1993 17:47:28 EDT Received: by bix.com (CoSy3.31.1.29) id <9309261741.memo.19973@BIX.com>; Sun, 26 Sep 1993 17:41:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1993 17:41:35 -0400 (EDT) From: sfmcnally@BIX.com Subject: Bitplanes To: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: <9309261741.memo.19973@BIX.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Cosy-To: amos-list@access.digex.com Status: RO Well, bitplanes are how all graphics on the Amiga are stored. (If you understand Binary numbers it's quite simple) Every image is made up of a number of bitplanes according to how many colors it uses, 1 bitplane for 2 colors, 2 planes for 4 colors, 3 planes for 8 colors, and 5 and 6 planes for 32 and 64 colors. (You can allso go to 7 and 8 planes for 128 and 256 colors on AGA machines) In every bitplane, one bit represents one pixel, so a byte (8 bits) of a bitplane would be 8 pixels across. At it's simplest, with one bit plane wherever there's a set bit in the bitplane that pixel will be in color 1, a binary 0 in one of the bits means color 0 at that pixel. To get more colors the system adds up the bits of all the planes at a certian pixel and that makes the color number. Say at pixel A plane 1 is set to 0, plane 2 is set to 1, and plane 3 is set to 1, combining those will make the binary number %011 which is 6 in normal numbers, so at that pixel there would be color 6. Now to change the colors of bobs you can tell the blitter NOT to draw certian planes, so if in the above example you told the blitter NOT to draw plane 2 the color would be %001, or 4. Now for a turtle on a 16 color screen, you should draw the turtle images in color 15, 15 is %1111 in binary, so then you can change the turtle to ANY color JUST by not drawing certian combinations of planes on the screen! :) Lets see... ::going for manual:: Ok, if you have a bob drawn in color 15, on a 16 color screen, this bit of code will draw the bob in color "COLOR": Set Bob 1,,COLOR, Bob 1,X,Y,TURTLE_IMAGE Where turtle_image is the image number for the turtle. :) Seumas From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Sep 26 17:56:09 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA09009 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 26 Sep 1993 17:56:07 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA00510; Sun, 26 Sep 93 17:54:41 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA05180 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Sun, 26 Sep 1993 17:48:11 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA05176 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 26 Sep 1993 17:48:09 -0400 Received: from bos3a.delphi.com by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA05128 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 26 Sep 1993 17:48:07 -0400 Received: from bix.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.2-11 #4520) id <01H3EVEJFKXC8Y4X4T@delphi.com>; Sun, 26 Sep 1993 17:47:39 EDT Received: by bix.com (CoSy3.31.1.29) id <9309261746.memo.19977@BIX.com>; Sun, 26 Sep 1993 17:46:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1993 17:46:49 -0400 (EDT) From: sfmcnally@BIX.com Subject: CTEXT! To: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: <9309261746.memo.19977@BIX.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Cosy-To: amos-list@access.digex.com Status: RO CText is the ColorText extention by Aaron Fothergill that lets you draw multi colored any sized fonts at amazing speeds that are stored as ICONS, so you can edit them from the sprite editor. It is VERY powerfull and is a MUST-USE for any game that EVER displays anything on the screen in the form of Text. It's not Quite as versitile as the "Print" command BUT it'll do anything AND MORE that the "Text" command does! Seumas From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Sep 26 19:56:34 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA13985 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 26 Sep 1993 19:56:31 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA11338; Sun, 26 Sep 93 19:55:04 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA09779 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Sun, 26 Sep 1993 19:45:43 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA09775 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 26 Sep 1993 19:45:41 -0400 Received: from pamir.inria.fr by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA08340 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 26 Sep 1993 19:45:40 -0400 X400-Received: by /PRMD=inria/ADMD=atlas/C=fr/; Relayed; 27 Sep 93 00:45:39+0100 X400-Received: by /PRMD=cnet/ADMD=atlas/C=FR/; Relayed; 26 Sep 93 06:40:19+0100 Date: 26 Sep 93 06:40:19+0100 From: Jean-Francois Dreyfuss Message-Id: <9309260540.AA16272@dworkin> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: AmosPro Compiler & Amos 3d Status: RO Hello, I just received Amos 3D with the November issue of Amiga Computing. But I am having some problems using it with Amos Pro Compiler: if I use the compiler outside the interpreter, I always get the message "Extension not loaded" (with the compiler shell). If I use the shell within the inter- preter, I can compile the example programs but they have difficulties in finding the c3d.lib file: snoopdos shows that they are looking for it in :APsystem and in APsystem. I would like to have it included within the executable, to make a real stand-alone programme. If anyone has some enlightments about this, I would appreciate very much! =jfd= From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Sep 26 23:06:10 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA08338 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 26 Sep 1993 23:06:07 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA26761; Sun, 26 Sep 93 23:04:41 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA15122 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Sun, 26 Sep 1993 22:53:38 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA15118 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 26 Sep 1993 22:53:36 -0400 Received: from kultarr.cs.uwa.oz.au by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA02843 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 26 Sep 1993 22:53:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (woolto_c@localhost) by kultarr.cs.uwa.oz.au (8.5/8.5) id KAA10106; Mon, 27 Sep 1993 10:53:09 +0800 From: Zodiac Message-Id: <199309270253.KAA10106@kultarr.cs.uwa.oz.au> Subject: Use of Varptr To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Mon, 27 Sep 93 10:53:08 WST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL9] Status: RO Hiyas, Last night I was stuffing around with passing Varptr's as parameters to procedures, trying to pass the address of an array of floating point numbers. The problem is that I couldn't just Poke(Varptr(ARRAY)+OFFSET) to get to ARRAY(OFFSET). I noticed that each successive Varptr was 4 units apart, and this morning I realized why the values I Poked weren't what was stored. So could someone tell me * How to use Varptr, Poke and Peek to store (properly) and read from an array of integers? * How to use Varptr, Poke and Peek to store (properly) and read from an array of floats? (Ie, the set up of the float, such as the mantissa length...that sort of garbage, and where they are stored wrt the array's adress). Carl. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "If you wanna be in my gang, stand up with me. We'll start a revolution, and make the streets free. We'll never weaken, we'll give it our best. Can't be defeated, we're better than the rest." - Rose Tattoo : 'We Can't be Beaten'. "So tell the whole world I'm not me I'm someone else and he's gone with me too." - Nik Kershaw : 'Gone to Pieces'. +------------------+ | Carl Wooltorton. | +------------------+ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Sep 27 04:23:16 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA12957 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 04:23:14 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA16763; Mon, 27 Sep 93 04:21:51 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA28103 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 04:10:21 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA28099 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 04:10:20 -0400 Received: from pamir.inria.fr by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA04301 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 04:10:16 -0400 X400-Received: by /PRMD=inria/ADMD=atlas/C=fr/; Relayed; 27 Sep 93 09:10:14+0100 X400-Received: by /PRMD=cnet/ADMD=atlas/C=FR/; Relayed; 27 Sep 93 09:16:12+0100 Date: 27 Sep 93 09:16:12+0100 From: Jean-Francois Dreyfuss Message-Id: <9309270816.AA16396@dworkin> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: CTEXT! Status: RO ----- Begin Included Message ----- It is VERY powerfull and is a MUST-USE for any game that EVER displays anything on the screen in the form of Text. It's not Quite as versitile as the "Print" command BUT it'll do anything AND MORE that the "Text" command does! Seumas ----- End Included Message ----- Too bad it doesn't work with Amos Pro (AFAIK). =jf= From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Sep 27 05:35:43 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA21755 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 05:35:41 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA19832; Mon, 27 Sep 93 05:34:14 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA28281 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 05:25:10 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA28277 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 05:25:09 -0400 Received: from bos2a.delphi.com (delphi.com) by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA21527 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 05:25:06 -0400 Received: from bix.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.2-11 #4520) id <01H3FJR13ZEO8Y56PJ@delphi.com>; Mon, 27 Sep 1993 05:24:55 EDT Received: by bix.com (CoSy3.31.1.29) id <9309270523.memo.20825@BIX.com>; Mon, 27 Sep 1993 05:23:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 05:23:42 -0400 (EDT) From: sfmcnally@BIX.com Subject: FFT? To: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: <9309270523.memo.20825@BIX.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Cosy-To: amos-list@access.digex.com Status: RO Um, what exactley *is* FFT? Seumas From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Sep 27 06:41:46 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA24613 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 06:41:37 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA22315; Mon, 27 Sep 93 06:40:03 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA28447 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 06:29:04 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA28443 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 06:29:01 -0400 Received: from hearn.nic.surfnet.nl by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA24055 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 06:28:58 -0400 Message-Id: <199309271028.AA24055@access.digex.net> Received: from HNYKUN11.URC.KUN.NL by HEARN.nic.SURFnet.nl (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5479; Mon, 27 Sep 93 11:26:47 CET Received: from HNYKUN11 (NJE origin U249026@HNYKUN11) by HNYKUN11.URC.KUN.NL (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1445; Mon, 27 Sep 1993 11:26:57 +0100 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 93 11:25:50 MET From: Branko Collin Subject: re: Giveaway software, pay for manuals To: amos-list@access.digex.net Status: RO Chris Richards says >I got Blitz Basic II a few weeks ago (just before I heard it might be on >the cover disk -- ... >It's like people who >try to use AMOS somely from the cover disk version and the few articles >that have been published with it -- it's possible to do some good work, >but it sure is difficult to use everything the language has to offer. Tom Plackowski adds >Yes. It seems rather a clever marketing ploy. >Its sort of like shareware - try the software, then pay for the manual >if you like it. And that's how I got Amos. I bought AF with Amos and Compiler on the cover. I liked the language but could not get far without a manual so I bought Amos (I do not see any need for buying Compiler). Nowadays, I only buy magazines if they've got an interesting coverdisk. ....................................................................... . Branko Collin . 'Nonsense is the opposite . . u249026@hnykun11.urc.kun.nl . of sense and should . . // u249026@hnykun11.bitnet . therefor be taken serious- . . \X/ bcollin@mpi.kun.nl (work) . ly.' - I . ....................................................................... From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Sep 27 03:10:51 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA05498 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 03:10:09 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA13273; Mon, 27 Sep 93 03:08:37 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA27931 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 02:58:49 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA27927 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 02:58:42 -0400 Received: from phoenix.oulu.fi by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA25405 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 02:58:16 -0400 Received: by phoenix.oulu.fi (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA19110; Mon, 27 Sep 1993 08:58:07 +0200 From: rkkr@phoenix.oulu.fi (Reima Ronkko) Message-Id: <9309270658.AA19110@phoenix.oulu.fi> Subject: fft-example To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 08:58:05 -0200 (GMT-2:00) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 61885 Status: RO Hey !! I found an old basic program whitch makes fast fourier transformation and when I was looked it few moments I've got silly idea to translate it into AMOS. It is quite messy because I made it in a hurry (alright I was lazy). In the end of this mail the program is uuencoded. The packace contains the source code and compiled version. It creates some kind of time domain wawe and makes FFT to it. Then it draws real and imaginary parts of the spectrum and power spcetrum. If you have any ideas to make it better or if you have some use of it let me know. 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I would like to have it included within >the executable, to make a real stand-alone programme. I do not think that is possible. With all AMOS 3D programs, the library is external when compiled. Mike -- Michael Cox Work: mcox@access.digex.com Amiga Conquers, AMOS Rules! Play: aj639@cleveland.freenet.edu This space intentionally left blank Fido: 1:109/456.0 The text above is my own and all that other disclaimer junk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Sep 27 07:36:46 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA00154 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 07:36:45 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA24736; Mon, 27 Sep 93 07:35:19 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA28615 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 07:21:02 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA28611 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 07:21:00 -0400 Received: from boa.cc.lut.fi by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA27518 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 07:20:57 -0400 Received: by boa.cc.lut.fi (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4/Kim-2.2) id AA04766; Mon, 27 Sep 1993 13:20:55 +0200 From: Kimmo Veijalainen Message-Id: <199309271120.AA04766@boa.cc.lut.fi> Subject: re: Giveaway software, pay for manuals (fwd) To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Mon, 27 Sep 93 13:20:54 EET X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: RO (stuff about coverdisks deleted) > Tom Plackowski adds > >Yes. It seems rather a clever marketing ploy. > >Its sort of like shareware - try the software, then pay for the manual > >if you like it. > > And that's how I got Amos. I bought AF with Amos and Compiler on the > cover. I liked the language but could not get far without a manual > so I bought Amos (I do not see any need for buying Compiler). > Nowadays, I only buy magazines if they've got an interesting > coverdisk. Same here... expecially since most british Amiga-mags seem to be targeted to 10-year old Zool-players. Some (Amiga Format) are better but I still only buy them when there's something special on the coverdisk. (OctaMed and PowerPacker were nice :-) But: most of the coverdisks are full of either PD stuff or crappy game demos that no-one plays more than once. It is sad that most mags used to cost about 17 FIM before the Time of the Coverdisks, and nowadays I'm happy if I get the mag for less than 45 FIM. So the magazines should only stick ONE disk with the magazine, and only if they have something decent on it (like Trex Warrior of Blaster or some Amos game ;-) . The "CU Amiga Collection"-coverdisks especially were mostly old PD stuff + "tune/pic of the month" and that's why I no longer buy that magazine. My point?? Well.... there is none :-) except that I'm AGAINST putting things like Amos on coverdisk. While some may buy the complete package after testing the coverdisk version without manuals, most of my friends who bought the Amos 1.36-AF tested the demo programs and were frustrated and got pretty bad picture of Amos. And the magazines seem to divide the documentation for a coverdisk over several issues to make people buy the next issue... After 2-5 issues full of useless tips one still cannot fully use the program in question. What a ripoff. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Sep 27 07:57:38 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA01072 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 07:57:36 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA25919; Mon, 27 Sep 93 07:56:09 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA28690 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 07:42:29 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA28686 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 07:42:27 -0400 Received: from hearnvax.nic.surfnet.nl by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA00367 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 07:42:25 -0400 Received: from hsepm1.hse.nl by HEARNVAX.nic.SURFnet.nl (PMDF V4.2-12 #3330) id <01H3FZ1TUFQO000AQI@HEARNVAX.nic.SURFnet.nl>; Mon, 27 Sep 1993 12:42:45 MET Received: (from user S92406161) by hsepm1.hse.nl; 27 Sep 93 13:38:58 +0200 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 13:38:59 +0200 From: Dave 'DOPEX' Vissers To: AMOSlist Message-Id: <01H3FZ1U0LKY000AQI@HEARNVAX.nic.SURFnet.nl> X-Envelope-To: Amos-list@access.digex.com X-Mailer: Pr1me Mailer 2.10 (C) 1991, 1992 Michel Pollet & Jac Goudsmit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO **** GENERAL NEWS **** The prices are shaking.... Look what I found... (sorry that it's in Gulders (Dutch...) Amiga 500 -> F 300.- Amiga 600 -> F 350.- (No harddisk) Amiga 1200 -> F 725.- (No harddisk) Amiga 1200 -> F 1400.- (200 Mb Hd) Amiga 4000/30 -> F 2600.- Amiga 4000/40 -> F 4200.- C64 (heh-heh) -> F 75.- Amiga CD32 -> F 750.- All these prices are NEW prices... (not sure about the C64...) +------------------+ +-------------------------------------+ | Greetings from : |-----------------------+ My motto: +-- + + + + | +------------------+ Dave 'DOPEX' Vissers | +-- | | |\| | | S92406161@hsepm1.hse.nl | + +-+ + + | +------| Ask mailbox# for AMIGA-Stuff. |-----------------------------+ | +-------------------------------+ | If it hits you, hit it back ! | +-------------------------------+ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Sep 27 08:37:02 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA06392 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 08:36:59 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA29479; Mon, 27 Sep 93 08:35:30 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA28740 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 08:13:09 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA28736 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 08:13:07 -0400 Received: from faw.uni-ulm.de by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA03742 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 08:13:01 -0400 Received: from sun19.faw.uni-ulm.de by faw.uni-ulm.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA13388; Mon, 27 Sep 1993 14:12:21 +0200 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 14:12:21 +0200 From: amthauer@faw.uni-ulm.de (Heiner Amthauer) Message-Id: <9309271212.AA13388@faw.uni-ulm.de> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: IS AMOS Pro CRAP ? Status: RO I quit ! I give up. I'm desperately disappointed of AMOS Pro. I gave up using AMOS Pro V2.0 and compiler because it wasn't compatible to 1.0 (i've told you before). So i decided to use AMOS Pro 1.0 and not compile the results. Now this is what happend: I was doin a wonderfull GUI together with a friend. It was just great with all that clicking and popup menu stuff you can ever imagine. We worked about 20 hours to finish it but we can't because a very strange problem appeared. The code looked like following: ... tmp$ = date$ Repeat _error = 0 date$ = tmp$ _input[x,y,num,date$] date$ = Param$ ... ... Until _error = 0 ... _input[] is a function like the EDit zone command from the Pro Interface (which doesn't work either. That's why i wrote it myself). It displays the text at a defined position and you can edit it. After pressing RETURN it's finished. So, _input[] uses local variables. And now guess what you can find in tmp$ if the result of _input[] was wrong ? The original contents of date$ ? Yeah, you wish ! But what really happens is, that tmp$ contains the value of Param$ even before i passed Param$ to date$. Hope you can follow. Now, can you imagine this ? tmp$ is mentioned only twice in the code and it absolutely couldn't be affected by _input[] but the contence is destroyed anyway. Now, i went mad. This is to much. How can anyone write a good progy if such things happen ? Besides the source was only 40k size. I've checked it all out. There is absolutely no error in the code. The changing of the varibales in _input[] effects also the tmp$ which should be impossible, but isn't. So, at the end i say, that i'll probably change to Blitz Basic. And if this won't work either i'll try C again (I hate C). Any comments ? (btw. did you notice that the Locate x,y command destroys part of the screen ?) greetings ------------------------------------------------------------ Heiner Amthauer email: amthauer@faw.uni-ulm.de / __ / / __ / / ___ / / / / / / / ___/ / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / ____ __/ / / / / / / / _____/ __/ _____/ __/ ______/ __/ ______/ IRC: IceMc (RaytraceMan) ------------------------------------------------------------ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Sep 27 08:26:55 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA05167 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 08:26:53 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA28670; Mon, 27 Sep 93 08:25:24 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA28755 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 08:16:24 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA28751 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 08:15:52 -0400 Received: from mailgate.ericsson.se by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA03915 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 08:15:47 -0400 Received: from eua.ericsson.se by mailgate.ericsson.se (4.1/SMI-4.1-MAILGATE1.14) id AA18792; Mon, 27 Sep 93 13:15:37 +0100 Received: from ms.eua.ericsson.se by eua.ericsson.se (4.1/EUA-2.1) id AA10282; Mon, 27 Sep 93 13:15:36 +0100 Received: from euax1i6c18.eua.ericsson.se by ms.eua.ericsson.se (4.1/MS-2.1) id AA29878; Mon, 27 Sep 93 13:15:35 +0100 From: Per.Lundholm@eua.ericsson.se (Per Lundholm) Received: by euax1i6c18.eua.ericsson.se (4.1/client-1.3) id AA07314; Mon, 27 Sep 93 13:15:34 +0100 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 93 13:15:34 +0100 Message-Id: <9309271215.AA07314@euax1i6c18.eua.ericsson.se> To: Amos-list@access.digex.net Status: RO > **** GENERAL NEWS **** > > The prices are shaking.... > > Look what I found... > > (sorry that it's in Gulders (Dutch...) C'mon DOPEX! I haven't used Gulders for ten years, expect me or any of us to remember their value by now?! Switch to quid or dollars (or SEK)! BTW that guy from Finland who gave us prices in FIM. Same goes for you, pal! Have a nice day both of you! /Per Lundholm From mart4678@mach1.wlu.ca Mon Sep 27 10:18:49 1993 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA21042 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 10:18:47 -0400 Received: from mach1.wlu.ca by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA29181 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 10:18:44 -0400 Received: by mach1.wlu.ca (5.65/1.35) id AA29341; Mon, 27 Sep 93 10:17:18 -0400 From: mart4678@mach1.wlu.ca (Phil Martin u) Message-Id: <9309271417.AA29341@mach1.wlu.ca> Subject: Re: IS AMOS Pro CRAP ? To: amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Date: Mon, 27 Sep 93 10:17:18 EDT In-Reply-To: <9309271212.AA13388@faw.uni-ulm.de>; from "Heiner Amthauer" at Sep 27, 93 2:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL13] Status: RO > So, at the end i say, that i'll probably change to Blitz Basic. And if this > won't work either i'll try C again (I hate C). > > Any comments ? > > (btw. did you notice that the Locate x,y command destroys part of the screen ?) No, but I did notice that the Get & Paste Icon commands corrupt both the screen & the Icons... Think I'll be joining you on the Blitz side... > > greetings > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Heiner Amthauer email: amthauer@faw.uni-ulm.de > / > __ / / __ / / ___ / > / / / / / / ___/ / / / / > / / / / / / / / / / / > / / ____ __/ / / / / / / / > _____/ __/ _____/ __/ ______/ __/ ______/ > > IRC: IceMc (RaytraceMan) > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Phil Martin. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Sep 27 11:22:12 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA00403 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 11:22:10 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA25642; Mon, 27 Sep 93 11:20:04 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA29425 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 11:01:03 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA29414 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 11:01:00 -0400 Received: from cc.lut.fi by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA26351 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 11:00:58 -0400 Received: by cc.lut.fi (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4/Kim-2.2) id AA20274; Mon, 27 Sep 1993 17:00:57 +0200 From: Kimmo Veijalainen Message-Id: <199309271500.AA20274@cc.lut.fi> Subject: FIM vs SEK vs US$ To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Mon, 27 Sep 93 17:00:56 EET X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: RO > > The prices are shaking.... > > > > Look what I found... > > > > (sorry that it's in Gulders (Dutch...) > > C'mon DOPEX! I haven't used Gulders for ten years, expect me or any of us > to remember their value by now?! Switch to quid or dollars (or SEK)! > > BTW that guy from Finland who gave us prices in FIM. Same goes for you, pal! 1 US$=about 5.6 FIM 1 SEK=0.74 FIM (Not 100% sure about this... this was the ratio 1 month ago). 1 bottle of vodka = 100 FIM :-( > Have a nice day both of you! Thanks. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Sep 27 16:56:42 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA23769 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 16:56:09 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA24845; Mon, 27 Sep 93 16:55:40 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA01312 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 16:36:40 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA01308 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 16:36:38 -0400 Received: from kruuna.Helsinki.FI by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA20719 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 16:36:23 -0400 Received: by kruuna.helsinki.fi id AA17788 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list@access.digex.net); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 22:35:57 +0200 From: Mikko Makela Message-Id: <199309272035.AA17788@kruuna.helsinki.fi> Subject: Problemo To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1993 22:35:57 +0200 (EET) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 670 Status: RO I found interesting AMOS-bug, while testing version 1.0 of Billiard Games. I was downloading some stuff with modem while playing the game. Everytime, when single download was finished, there was that little screen flicker, which we all know (?) that programs, which try to bring their screen front, cause. But that's not all. Now when I finished game I was playing, program crashed with "Screen not opened"-error (I tried it several times to make sure). I use "Unpack" to unpack some screens in program, and maybe the problem is there. Program was compiled. Does anybody have any solution ? I would like to fix this before releasing this version of the game. -Mikko From czar1@manta.nosc.mil Mon Sep 27 19:21:34 1993 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA16523 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 19:21:31 -0400 Received: from trout.nosc.mil by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA03023 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 19:21:27 -0400 Received: from manta.nosc.mil by trout.nosc.mil (5.59/1.27) id AA04952; Mon, 27 Sep 93 16:21:19 PDT Received: by manta.nosc.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22896; Mon, 27 Sep 93 16:20:39 PDT Date: Mon, 27 Sep 93 16:20:39 PDT From: czar1@manta.nosc.mil (Scott C. Czarcinski) Message-Id: <9309272320.AA22896@manta.nosc.mil> To: amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: FFT? In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon Sep 27 02:42:22 1993 Status: RO ------- FFT, or Fast Fourior Transformation is a method of signal processing, where energy is averaged. (ie: a piece of 8 bit data would have signal values of 34454645 would be averaged, and then return a value of 44444444.) FFT's are used in Industry, and by the Government agencies. What this allows for is data smoothing, by ways of a moving window. By sampling data withing a frequency range (could be anything) you can "filter" out or "enhance" certain types of data. (This would be dependant upon a predefined sample window size.) - For example, a small window size would enhance small bandwidth signals. (A 5k hertz tone for example.) While a wide window, say 32 or 64 bits would average out the same 5k hertz tone, but it would enhance a signal with a wide bandwidth. (Say a band of energy that is from 5k-5.5k hertz wide.) Hope that helps!!! Scott Czarcinski ------- From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Sep 27 19:44:30 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA19584 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 19:44:29 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA22331; Mon, 27 Sep 93 19:43:15 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA03044 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 19:33:38 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA03040 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 19:33:37 -0400 Received: from trout.nosc.mil by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA18070 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 19:33:33 -0400 Received: from manta.nosc.mil by trout.nosc.mil (5.59/1.27) id AA06256; Mon, 27 Sep 93 16:33:19 PDT Received: by manta.nosc.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23981; Mon, 27 Sep 93 16:32:40 PDT Date: Mon, 27 Sep 93 16:32:40 PDT From: czar1@manta.nosc.mil (Scott C. Czarcinski) Message-Id: <9309272332.AA23981@manta.nosc.mil> To: amthauer@faw.uni-ulm.de Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: IS AMOS Pro CRAP ? In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon Sep 27 05:45:47 1993 Status: RO ------- Last week I sent a UUencoded example of the Interface. (I'm currently on travel, and can't get it back. The archieve was (I think) InterfaceEx.lha. Although it took a great deal of time to figure out, I have successfully used both the EDit and DIgit commands. (It also compiles with no problems, and executes with no errors.) Before you totally give up on AMOS Pro, check this out, and give it a shot. (Though my trials I have found usually just simple, stupid mistakes give me heartburn when working with the Interface routines.) In the event you do not have the message, drop a note to the list and someone else may be able to resend it to you; or if you can wait, I can resend it to you this weekend. - Just let me know... Scott Czarcinski czar1 ------- From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Sep 27 21:54:55 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA06559 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 21:54:51 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA11295; Mon, 27 Sep 93 21:54:39 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA03722 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 21:37:30 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA03718 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 21:37:28 -0400 Received: from vax.mbhs.edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA04341 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 21:37:20 -0400 Message-Id: <199309280137.AA04341@access.digex.net> Date: 27 Sep 93 21:23:00 EST From: "Andrew Church" <95ACHURCH@vax.mbhs.edu> Subject: Re: Bitplanes To: "amos-list" Status: RO A little clarification here... >In every bitplane, one bit represents one pixel, so a byte (8 bits) >of a bitplane would be 8 pixels across. >At it's simplest, with one bit plane wherever there's a set bit >in the bitplane that pixel will be in color 1, a binary 0 in >one of the bits means color 0 at that pixel. This is right. However... >To get more colors the system adds up the bits of all the planes >at a certian pixel and that makes the color number. >Say at pixel A plane 1 is set to 0, plane 2 is set to 1, and plane >3 is set to 1, combining those will make the binary number %011 >which is 6 in normal numbers, so at that pixel there would be >color 6. This is wrong -- you're numbering the planes backwards. What you should have said is this: Say at pixel A plane *2* is set to 0, plane *1* is set to 1, and plane *0* is set to 1, combining those... The plane number is the same as the bit number in the colour. So plane 0 corresponds to bit 0 (the least significant bit), plane 1 corresponds to bit 1, etc. You also don't know as much about binary as you seem to think you know. The binary number 011 is equal to 3 in decimal (0*2^2 + 1*2^1 + 1*2^0 = 0+2+1 = 3). >Now to change the colors of bobs you can tell the blitter NOT >to draw certian planes, so if in the above example you told the >blitter NOT to draw plane 2 the color would be %001, or 4. ^^^^ NO!!! 1, not 4!!! You'd tell it not to draw plane 1 in order to get %001 from the above case. That is, you'd use "Set Bob N,,%11111101," where N is your bob number. --Andy Church From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Sep 27 21:44:50 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA05364 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 21:44:46 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA10284; Mon, 27 Sep 93 21:44:25 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA03716 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 21:36:38 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA03712 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 21:36:36 -0400 Received: from vax.mbhs.edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA04243 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 21:36:31 -0400 Message-Id: <199309280136.AA04243@access.digex.net> Date: 27 Sep 93 21:34:00 EST From: "Andrew Church" <95ACHURCH@vax.mbhs.edu> Subject: Re: Use of Varptr To: "amos-list" Status: RO > Last night I was stuffing around with passing Varptr's as parameters to >procedures, trying to pass the address of an array of floating point numbers. >The problem is that I couldn't just Poke(Varptr(ARRAY)+OFFSET) to get to >ARRAY(OFFSET). I noticed that each successive Varptr was 4 units apart, and >this morning I realized why the values I Poked weren't what was stored. > So could someone tell me >* How to use Varptr, Poke and Peek to store (properly) and read from an array > of integers? Writing: Loke Varptr(ARRAY(0))+ELEMENT*4,_VALUE Reading: _VALUE=Leek(Varptr(ARRAY(0))+ELEMENT*4) where ELEMENT is the element number you're using, just like ARRAY(ELEMENT). Of course, this is only useful if you've passed the array address, as in _PROCEDURE[Varptr(ARRAY(0))] since otherwise you can just use _VALUE=ARRAY(ELEMENT). >* How to use Varptr, Poke and Peek to store (properly) and read from an array > of floats? (Ie, the set up of the float, such as the mantissa length...that > sort of garbage, and where they are stored wrt the array's adress). They're also stored as 4-byte values, so use the same scheme I described above to access them. The format depends on whether you're using Creator or Pro. Creator uses FFP: 31 876 0 | - - - mantissa - - - |S| exp | where m is the mantissa (with an assumed binary point after the first digit), S is the sign bit and exp is the bias-64 exponent. In other words, exp = exponent+64 Pro, on the other hand, uses IEEE single-precision. I'm not entirely sure about the format for IEEE floats. If you use Set Double Precision, that switches Pro to 8-byte double-precision floats, which is something completely different. --Andy Church From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Sep 27 22:15:13 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA08624 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 22:15:11 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA13760; Mon, 27 Sep 93 22:14:56 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA03762 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 21:59:24 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA03758 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 21:59:23 -0400 Received: from vax.mbhs.edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA06921 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 21:59:17 -0400 Message-Id: <199309280159.AA06921@access.digex.net> Date: 27 Sep 93 21:48:00 EST From: "Andrew Church" <95ACHURCH@vax.mbhs.edu> Subject: Re: IS AMOS Pro CRAP ? To: "amos-list" Status: RO >Now this is what happend: I was doin a wonderfull GUI together with a >friend. It was just great with all that clicking and popup menu stuff you can >ever imagine. We worked about 20 hours to finish it but we can't because a >very strange problem appeared. The code looked like following: [code and complaints deleted] Well, my recommendation is to get the AMOS Pro 1.12 update. This fixes a bunch of bugs in 1.0, and this might be one of those bugs. I recall having a similar problem which the update fixed... >So, at the end i say, that i'll probably change to Blitz Basic. And if this >won't work either i'll try C again (I hate C). Well, you can have whatever opinions you like, but I love C. (Not to the exclusion of AMOS, obviously. :-) ) I once wrote a role-playing game in AMOS (about 300K); I'm translating it to C now, and it runs more smoothly, not to mention being more system-friendly. There is always the work factor, though; the C version now contains over 10000 lines, whereas the AMOS version had only about 4000. >(btw. did you notice that the Locate x,y command destroys part of the screen ?) Actually, it doesn't. That's just the movement of the cursor. When AMOS Pro displays the cursor, it saves the 8x8 block immediately underneath the cursor. When you do a Locate (or Curs Off), it displays that block where the cursor used to be. If you've drawn over the cursor area, what you've drawn will be replaced with the saved block. This has always seemed like a lack-of-common- sense problem to me: If you're not using the cursor, turn it off; if you are, don't draw over it! --Andy Church From dreyfusj@issy.cnet.fr Tue Sep 28 05:13:56 1993 Received: from pamir.inria.fr by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA03327 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 28 Sep 1993 05:13:55 -0400 X400-Received: by /PRMD=inria/ADMD=atlas/C=fr/; Relayed; 28 Sep 93 10:13:54+0100 X400-Received: by /PRMD=cnet/ADMD=atlas/C=FR/; Relayed; 28 Sep 93 10:19:59+0100 Date: 28 Sep 93 10:19:59+0100 From: Jean-Francois Dreyfuss Message-Id: <9309280919.AA17528@dworkin> To: mcox@access.digex.net Subject: Re: WANTED: Star NX-2430 Print Driver Status: RO > >Probably an Epson-type driver would do? > True, but I was hoping there would be a custom made one. How does one make > printerdrivers for OS3? I heard there are some differences between the > 1.3 and 3.0 drivers. I don't know. I remember some freeware called PrintDrivGen that could create drivers, but it was 1.2 drivers! I'll have a look at TurboPrint that was on a recent AF disk I think. =jf= From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Mon Sep 27 22:05:04 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA07404 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 22:05:02 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA12458; Mon, 27 Sep 93 22:04:46 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA03748 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 21:45:03 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA03744 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 21:45:01 -0400 Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA05391 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 27 Sep 1993 21:44:58 -0400 Received: from elms.concept.com.au (actually 192.132.41.250) by bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au with SMTP (PP); Tue, 28 Sep 1993 11:44:38 +1000 Received: by elms.concept.com.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27028; Tue, 28 Sep 93 11:44:31 EST Date: Tue, 28 Sep 93 11:44:31 EST From: Tom Plackowski Message-Id: <9309280144.AA27028@elms.concept.com.au> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: re: Giveaway software, pay for manuals (fwd) Status: RO >> Nowadays, I only buy magazines if they've got an interesting >> coverdisk. >But: most of the coverdisks are full of either PD stuff or crappy game demos Yeah. Its funny when the demo appears on Aminet a month before the magazine appears! >My point?? Well.... there is none :-) except that I'm AGAINST putting things >like Amos on coverdisk. While some may buy the complete package after testing >the coverdisk version without manuals, most of my friends who bought the >Amos 1.36-AF tested the demo programs and were frustrated and got pretty You could just get them some better demos! >bad picture of Amos. And the magazines seem to divide the documentation for >a coverdisk over several issues to make people buy the next issue... After Of course! So what? They've got to sell magazines, otherwise we get no coverdisks at all. Anyhow, you could join a user group that subscribes to the mag and borrow it for just that article. Does anyone know any public library that keeps this sort of magazine? >2-5 issues full of useless tips one still cannot fully use the program in >question. What a ripoff. What do you mean a ripoff? How much did the program cost? You get what you pay for. // Tom, putting things in perspective? From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 28 14:08:56 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA05234 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 28 Sep 1993 14:08:54 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA00755; Tue, 28 Sep 93 14:08:13 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA13333 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 28 Sep 1993 13:48:43 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA13329 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 28 Sep 1993 13:48:42 -0400 Received: from bos2a.delphi.com (delphi.com) by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA02899 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 28 Sep 1993 13:48:39 -0400 Received: from bix.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.2-11 #4520) id <01H3GULNYMRK8Y5EUP@delphi.com>; Tue, 28 Sep 1993 03:45:57 EDT Received: by bix.com (CoSy3.31.1.29) id <9309280343.memo.23075@BIX.com>; Tue, 28 Sep 1993 03:43:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 03:43:56 -0400 (EDT) From: sfmcnally@BIX.com Subject: Re: IS AMOS Pro CRAP ? To: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: <9309280343.memo.23075@BIX.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Cosy-To: amos-list@access.digex.com Status: RO Hey, try Amos 1.36! It's a lot less buggy than Pro and is a bit faster! :) And as you leave Pro's new commands you jump into MORE commands in normal Amos' extentions! ;) Seumas From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 28 07:42:51 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA12124 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 28 Sep 1993 07:42:48 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA17891; Tue, 28 Sep 93 07:07:12 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net ) Received: from svcs1.digex.net by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA05978 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Tue, 28 Sep 1993 06:32:49 -0400 Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA08797 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 28 Sep 1993 04:13:59 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA08793 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 28 Sep 1993 04:13:57 -0400 Received: from bos1c.delphi.com (delphi.com) by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA00642 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 28 Sep 1993 04:13:55 -0400 Received: from bix.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.2-11 #4520) id <01H3GVIXPF8G8Y5EUP@delphi.com>; Tue, 28 Sep 1993 04:12:47 EDT Received: by bix.com (CoSy3.31.1.29) id <9309280406.memo.23098@BIX.com>; Tue, 28 Sep 1993 04:06:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 04:06:56 -0400 (EDT) From: sfmcnally@BIX.com Subject: Re: Bitplanes To: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: <9309280406.memo.23098@BIX.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Cosy-To: amos-list@access.digex.com Status: RO So I had my Binary Backwards, sorry! You can still do "Set Bob N,,COLOR," to draw the bob in color COLOR. Seumas From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 28 07:41:58 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA11999 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 28 Sep 1993 07:41:55 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA24187; Tue, 28 Sep 93 07:41:32 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA08979 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 28 Sep 1993 05:33:38 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA08975 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 28 Sep 1993 05:33:36 -0400 Received: from hearnvax.nic.surfnet.nl by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA03749 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 28 Sep 1993 05:33:33 -0400 Received: from hsepm1.hse.nl by HEARNVAX.nic.SURFnet.nl (PMDF V4.2-12 #3330) id <01H3H8UCZEA8000TBV@HEARNVAX.nic.SURFnet.nl>; Tue, 28 Sep 1993 10:33:52 MET Received: (from user S92406161) by hsepm1.hse.nl; 28 Sep 93 10:31:47 +0200 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 10:31:47 +0200 From: Dave 'DOPEX' Vissers To: AMOSlist Message-Id: <01H3H8UD9B5E000TBV@HEARNVAX.nic.SURFnet.nl> X-Envelope-To: Amos-list@access.digex.com X-Mailer: Pr1me Mailer 2.10 (C) 1991, 1992 Michel Pollet & Jac Goudsmit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO OK, OK, Relax Per... I think, I'm not sure, but : $ 1 = f 1.90 Hope this satisfies your distress call.... +------------------+ +-------------------------------------+ | Greetings from : |-----------------------+ My motto: +-- + + + + | +------------------+ Dave 'DOPEX' Vissers | +-- | | |\| | | S92406161@hsepm1.hse.nl | + +-+ + + | +------| Ask mailbox# for AMIGA-Stuff. |-----------------------------+ | +-------------------------------+ | If it hits you, hit it back ! | +-------------------------------+ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 28 09:35:10 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA26647 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 28 Sep 1993 09:35:07 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA12769; Tue, 28 Sep 93 09:34:46 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA10283 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 28 Sep 1993 09:23:19 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA10279 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 28 Sep 1993 09:23:16 -0400 Received: from mailgate.ericsson.se by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA25012 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 28 Sep 1993 09:23:11 -0400 Received: from eua.ericsson.se by mailgate.ericsson.se (4.1/SMI-4.1-MAILGATE1.14) id AA25739; Tue, 28 Sep 93 14:23:03 +0100 Received: from ms.eua.ericsson.se by eua.ericsson.se (4.1/EUA-2.1) id AA23064; Tue, 28 Sep 93 14:23:01 +0100 Received: from euax1i6c18.eua.ericsson.se by ms.eua.ericsson.se (4.1/MS-2.1) id AA05745; Tue, 28 Sep 93 14:23:00 +0100 From: Per.Lundholm@eua.ericsson.se (Per Lundholm) Received: by euax1i6c18.eua.ericsson.se (4.1/client-1.3) id AA10998; Tue, 28 Sep 93 14:22:59 +0100 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 93 14:22:59 +0100 Message-Id: <9309281322.AA10998@euax1i6c18.eua.ericsson.se> To: Amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: The AMIGA prices Status: RO > OK, OK, Relax Per... > > I think, I'm not sure, but : > > $ 1 = f 1.90 > > Hope this satisfies your distress call.... > Which give us: > > **** GENERAL NEWS **** > > The prices are shaking.... > > Look what I found... > > (sorry that it's in Gulders (Dutch...) > > Amiga 500 -> F 300.- $ 158 > Amiga 600 -> F 350.- (No harddisk) $ 184 > Amiga 1200 -> F 725.- (No harddisk) $ 382 > Amiga 1200 -> F 1400.- (200 Mb Hd) $ 737 > Amiga 4000/30 -> F 2600.- $ 1368 > Amiga 4000/40 -> F 4200.- $ 2211 > C64 (heh-heh) -> F 75.- $ 40 > Amiga CD32 -> F 750.- $ 395 > > All these prices are NEW prices... > (not sure about the C64...) Right. It's cheap. I paid a lot more than $184 for my sixy 600. Greetings, Per From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 28 12:16:56 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA18574 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 28 Sep 1993 12:16:54 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA07076; Tue, 28 Sep 93 11:54:06 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net ) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA12113 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 28 Sep 1993 11:44:53 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA12109 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 28 Sep 1993 11:44:51 -0400 Received: from ns-mx.uiowa.edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA14593 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 28 Sep 1993 11:44:48 -0400 Received: from umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu by ns-mx.uiowa.edu (5.64.jnf/921215) on Tue, 28 Sep 93 10:44:46 -0500 id AA15912 with SMTP Received: by umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (5.61.jnf/930730) on Tue, 28 Sep 93 10:41:41 -0500 id AA22838 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 10:24:14 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Richards Subject: Does the Pro Compiler need 1 meg of Chip RAM? To: AMOS posting Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO I wouldn't have thought it did, but I've run into a nasty problem getting any of my programs compiled with the Pro compiler to run under a computer with only 512K chip RAM. I can't swear that it's the chip RAM thing thatis the problem, but I can take a program that runs fine when compiled with the old compiler, run it through the new one, and have it crash on computers with only 512K chip ram while continuing to work fine on all other computers with > 512K chip RAM. Different systems, different CPU speeds, different memory configurations, and different models (A500, A1200, A200) don't seem to make any difference. The only variable that is crash consistent is the chip RAM. Now, that being said, is this working the way it is supposed to? Did I just miss the documentation that programs compiled under the Pro compiler need at least 1 meg of chip RAM to work (could have happened)? Am I wrong in my diagnosis? Is there something wrong with the compiler? Enquiring minds want to know ... Chris R From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 28 15:08:51 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA14126 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 28 Sep 1993 15:08:50 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA10634; Tue, 28 Sep 93 15:08:24 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA13729 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 28 Sep 1993 14:54:10 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA13725 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 28 Sep 1993 14:54:08 -0400 Received: from vax.mbhs.edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA11023 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 28 Sep 1993 14:54:04 -0400 Message-Id: <199309281854.AA11023@access.digex.net> Date: 28 Sep 93 14:25:00 EST From: "Andrew Church" <95ACHURCH@vax.mbhs.edu> Subject: Re: IS AMOS Pro CRAP ? To: "amos-list" Status: RO >Hey, try Amos 1.36! > >It's a lot less buggy than Pro and is a bit faster! :) Okay... but I do prefer the Pro interface. Does 1.36 have: - Else If structure (I have having to put 10 End If's in a row) - Tracker/Med module support - Support for more than 16 banks >And as you leave Pro's new commands you jump into MORE commands in >normal Amos' extentions! ;) People really should start (re)writing extensions to support Pro's extension format. --Andy Church From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 28 23:46:36 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA26947 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 28 Sep 1993 23:46:35 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA25435; Tue, 28 Sep 93 23:46:20 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA16050 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 28 Sep 1993 23:31:15 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA16046 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 28 Sep 1993 23:31:13 -0400 Received: from bos3a.delphi.com by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA24043 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 28 Sep 1993 23:31:10 -0400 Received: from bix.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.2-11 #4520) id <01H3HZPUIILS8Y5EUP@delphi.com>; Tue, 28 Sep 1993 23:23:41 EDT Received: by bix.com (CoSy3.31.1.29) id <9309282322.memo.25398@BIX.com>; Tue, 28 Sep 1993 23:22:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 23:22:18 -0400 (EDT) From: sfmcnally@BIX.com Subject: Re: Is AMOS Pro CRAP ? To: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: <9309282322.memo.25398@BIX.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Cosy-To: amos-list@access.digex.com Status: RO What's "Else If..." ? 1.36 has If/Else/Endif... 1.36 has Tracker support. And those 16 banks are FASTER tham Pros. ;) Plus if you need more you can allways use system memory calls. ;) 1.36 is still pretty nice. ;) Seumas From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 28 23:57:23 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA29021 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 28 Sep 1993 23:57:22 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA26517; Tue, 28 Sep 93 23:56:57 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA16065 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 28 Sep 1993 23:42:37 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA16061 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 28 Sep 1993 23:42:36 -0400 Received: from bos2a.delphi.com (delphi.com) by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA26696 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 28 Sep 1993 23:42:34 -0400 Received: from bix.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.2-11 #4520) id <01H3HZWOGUPS8Y5EUP@delphi.com>; Tue, 28 Sep 1993 23:29:11 EDT Received: by bix.com (CoSy3.31.1.29) id <9309282327.memo.25410@BIX.com>; Tue, 28 Sep 1993 23:27:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1993 23:27:14 -0400 (EDT) From: sfmcnally@BIX.com Subject: Re: Is AMOS Pro CRAP ? To: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: <9309282327.memo.25410@BIX.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Cosy-To: amos-list@access.digex.com Status: RO Maybe the Pro compiler tres to un squash to chip ram (a no no)? Just a geuss though. (Um, make that "tries" ;) Seumas From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Tue Sep 28 19:22:45 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA21884 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 28 Sep 1993 19:22:43 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA20639; Tue, 28 Sep 93 19:22:29 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA15104 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Tue, 28 Sep 1993 19:07:36 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA15096 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 28 Sep 1993 19:07:32 -0400 Received: from diemen.utas.edu.au by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA20179 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 28 Sep 1993 19:07:27 -0400 Received: from ecc.tased.edu.au (zaphod.ecc.tased.edu.AU) by diemen.utas.edu.au with SMTP id AA17431 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 29 Sep 1993 09:07:23 +1000 Received: from slick.clare.tased.edu.au by ecc.tased.edu.au (PMDF V4.2-11 #5003) id <01H3IJ1Z22O08ZEOCO@ecc.tased.edu.au>; Wed, 29 Sep 1993 08:37:06 +1000 Received: from charon1.clare.tased.edu.au by slick.clare.tased.edu.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07313; Wed, 29 Sep 93 08:32:39 EST Received: From ASGARD/WORKQUEUE by charon1.clare.tased.edu.au via Charon-4.0-VROOM with IPX id 100.930929084145.352; 29 Sep 93 08:41:58 -1100 Date: 29 Sep 93 08:41:36 GMT+10 From: Paul Reece Subject: Re: Does the Pro Compiler need 1 meg of Chip RAM? To: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: amos-list@access.digex.net X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v2.1b. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: RO > I wouldn't have thought it did, but I've run into a nasty problem getting > any of my programs compiled with the Pro compiler to run under a computer > with only 512K chip RAM. I can't swear that it's the chip RAM thing > thatis the problem, but I can take a program that runs fine when compiled > with the old compiler, run it through the new one, and have it crash on > computers with only 512K chip ram while continuing to work fine on all > other computers with > 512K chip RAM. Different systems, different CPU > speeds, different memory configurations, and different models (A500, A1200, > A200) don't seem to make any difference. The only variable that is crash > consistent is the chip RAM. > > Now, that being said, is this working the way it is supposed to? Did I > just miss the documentation that programs compiled under the Pro compiler > need at least 1 meg of chip RAM to work (could have happened)? Am I wrong > in my diagnosis? Is there something wrong with the compiler? Enquiring > minds want to know ... Have you been squashing the compiled programs??? On my setup (1/2meg Chip & 1.5 Meg Fast) I can't run ANY programs squashed with the AmosPro compiler.. Maybe that is the problem - Has anyone else had this trouble with the Pro compiler and squashing???? - Paul From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Sep 29 06:30:58 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA27109 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 29 Sep 1993 06:30:56 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA22999; Wed, 29 Sep 93 06:30:45 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA17098 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Wed, 29 Sep 1993 06:25:02 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA17094 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 29 Sep 1993 06:25:00 -0400 Received: by access.digex.net id AA25884 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list@access.digex.com); Wed, 29 Sep 1993 06:24:59 -0400 From: Michael 'AMOS' Cox Message-Id: <199309291024.AA25884@access.digex.net> Subject: Re: Is AMOS Pro CRAP ? To: amos-list@access.digex.net (AMOS Mailing List) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1993 06:24:59 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <9309282322.memo.25398@BIX.com> from "sfmcnally@BIX.com" at Sep 28, 93 11:22:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 975 Status: O >What's "Else If..." ? 1.36 has If/Else/Endif... Else If is sort of a step in the direction of a CASE statement. You can have many If ... then ...Else if... etc and end it all with one End If. >1.36 has Tracker support. Yep, but no MED support. >And those 16 banks are FASTER tham Pros. ;) How can people tell if the banks are faster or that Pro is slower? All my programs run the same. >Plus if you need more you can allways use system memory calls. ;) But with Pro, you can use ANY library in the LIBS: volume. Pro is more robust in that department. >1.36 is still pretty nice. ;) Yes, it is. I have TOME IV so I keep 1.36 around. I do hope Aaron will port his stuff to Pro. Mike -- Michael Cox Work: mcox@access.digex.com Amiga Conquers, AMOS Rules! Play: aj639@cleveland.freenet.edu This space intentionally left blank Fido: 1:109/456.0 The text above is my own and all that other disclaimer junk From JURGEN@fs3.hsbos.nl Wed Sep 29 06:48:53 1993 Received: from relay.surfnet.nl by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA27674 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 29 Sep 1993 06:48:51 -0400 Received: from aixserv.hsbos.nl by relay.surfnet.nl with SMTP (PP) id <26692-0@relay.surfnet.nl>; Wed, 29 Sep 1993 11:48:47 +0100 Received: from charon0.hsbos.nl by aixserv.hsbos.nl (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA20086; Wed, 29 Sep 1993 12:45:52 +0200 Received: From FS3/WORKQUEUE by charon0.hsbos.nl via Charon-4.0A-VROOM with IPX id 100.930929124533.159; 29 Sep 93 12:46:39 -0100 Message-Id: To: amos-list@access.digex.net (AMOS Mailing List), Michael 'AMOS' Cox From: JURGEN@fs3.hsbos.nl Organization: Hogeschool 's-Hertogenbosch Date: 29 Sep 93 12:45:10 NFT-1DFT Subject: Re: Is AMOS Pro CRAP ? Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v2.3 (R5). Status: RO > From: Michael 'AMOS' Cox > Subject: Re: Is AMOS Pro CRAP ? > To: amos-list@access.digex.net (AMOS Mailing List) > Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1993 06:24:59 -0400 (EDT) > >What's "Else If..." ? 1.36 has If/Else/Endif... > Else If is sort of a step in the direction of a CASE statement. You can have > many If ... then ...Else if... etc and end it all with one End If. > > >1.36 has Tracker support. > Yep, but no MED support. > > >And those 16 banks are FASTER tham Pros. ;) > How can people tell if the banks are faster or that Pro is slower? All my > programs run the same. > > >Plus if you need more you can allways use system memory calls. ;) > But with Pro, you can use ANY library in the LIBS: volume. Pro is more robust > in that department. > > >1.36 is still pretty nice. ;) > Yes, it is. I have TOME IV so I keep 1.36 around. I do hope Aaron will port > his stuff to Pro. > > Mike > -- > Michael Cox Work: mcox@access.digex.com > Amiga Conquers, AMOS Rules! Play: aj639@cleveland.freenet.edu > This space intentionally left blank Fido: 1:109/456.0 > The text above is my own and all that other disclaimer junk Hi Dudes, Nope, Aaron will not make a Amos Prof Tome! But....Maybe you know the Turbo Extension, the commercial version will contain ALL tome commands and they are much faster! So just wait for a while... jurgen@hsbos.nl > From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Sep 29 09:12:53 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA14278 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 29 Sep 1993 09:12:50 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA06945; Wed, 29 Sep 93 09:12:36 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA17633 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Wed, 29 Sep 1993 09:04:29 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA17629 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 29 Sep 1993 09:04:26 -0400 Received: from cc.lut.fi by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA12898 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 29 Sep 1993 09:04:14 -0400 Received: by cc.lut.fi (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4/Kim-2.2) id AA02088; Wed, 29 Sep 1993 15:04:10 +0200 From: Kimmo Veijalainen Message-Id: <199309291304.AA02088@cc.lut.fi> Subject: else if To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 15:04:10 EET X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: RO > What's "Else If..." ? 1.36 has If/Else/Endif... if something blahblah else if something blahblah else if .... ... else print "no match" endif It's almost like CASE-statement. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Sep 29 09:23:29 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA16056 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 29 Sep 1993 09:23:27 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA08449; Wed, 29 Sep 93 09:23:16 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA17642 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Wed, 29 Sep 1993 09:07:34 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA17638 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 29 Sep 1993 09:07:33 -0400 Received: from cc.lut.fi by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA13442 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 29 Sep 1993 09:07:28 -0400 Received: by cc.lut.fi (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4/Kim-2.2) id AA02256; Wed, 29 Sep 1993 15:07:22 +0200 From: Kimmo Veijalainen Message-Id: <199309291307.AA02256@cc.lut.fi> Subject: Turbo x-tension again To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 15:07:22 EET X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: RO > Nope, Aaron will not make a Amos Prof Tome! But....Maybe you know > the Turbo Extension, the commercial version will contain ALL tome > commands and they are much faster! So just wait for a while... Commercial version? Does this mean shareware? When? How? From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Sep 29 09:47:47 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA18810 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 29 Sep 1993 09:47:45 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA11191; Wed, 29 Sep 93 09:42:14 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA17695 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Wed, 29 Sep 1993 09:35:31 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA17691 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 29 Sep 1993 09:35:29 -0400 Received: from essvax.plk.af.mil by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA17367 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 29 Sep 1993 09:35:23 -0400 Received: from holodeck.plk.af.mil by essvax.plk.af.mil with SMTP ; Wed, 29 Sep 93 07:30:30 MDT Received: by holodeck.plk.af.mil (920330.SGI/920502.SGI.AUTO) for @essvax.plk.af.mil:amos-list@access.digex.net id AA03114; Wed, 29 Sep 93 07:30:05 -0600 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 07:30:05 -0600 From: mark@holodeck.plk.af.mil (Mark V. Tollefson) Message-Id: <9309291330.AA03114@holodeck.plk.af.mil> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: AMOS Pro Extensions Status: RO I guess I'll throw in my 2 cents worth. It was good planning on the original design of AMOS to allow other people to write extensions. How wonderful to be able to get extended functionality not envisioned by the author ... without the author having to pick and choose what to add and write the code. Users got a more flexible product, a few new authors made a little money, and the author got to concentrate on fixing bugs. What I don't understand is why, when the entire product is updated and polished and released as a new product (not just a new version), the extensions weren't included. The author _NOW_ knows that there are more commands generally wanted than he originally included. Why didn't he have the authors of the extensions work with him on applicable portions of AMOS Pro, and give them a small part of the sales profit? The MAIN advantages would be that everyone whould have a better product to work with, and everyone would have the SAME set of options available. This reminds me a bit of the release of MS-DOS. By FAR, the one accessory written the most often in CPM was a program to list the directory in a nicer manner. This included sorting alphbetically and using more than one column. So then comes along this NEW operatiing system ... with the same stupid old one column unsorted directory listing. Again people busied themselves writing MS-DOS versions of their directory listers. Now, users moving up from 1.36 to Pro are doing something similar... waiting for their favorite extensions to be re-written so they can continue programming with the tools they are happiest with (but with no guarantee they will ever even be re-written). Mark From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Sep 29 10:13:42 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA23463 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 29 Sep 1993 10:13:40 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA16068; Wed, 29 Sep 93 10:13:02 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA17773 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Wed, 29 Sep 1993 10:02:17 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA17769 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 29 Sep 1993 10:02:16 -0400 Received: from sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA21215 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 29 Sep 1993 10:02:11 -0400 Received: from mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au (mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au [128.184.102.1]) by sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au (8.5/1.3) with SMTP id AAA15273; Thu, 30 Sep 1993 00:01:43 +1000 Received: by mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au (4.1/client-1.3) id AA12836; Thu, 30 Sep 93 00:01:41 EST Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1993 23:58:39 +1000 (EST) From: Scott Southurst Subject: 3d proggy. To: LIST AMOS Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO I have just coded a little 3d proggy which rotates an object about the x (fixed) and y (not fixed) axis. It also includes hidden face exclusion. If anyone wants it I can send it to them in about a week or so. Just email me and I reply when Im back at school. ||\ *********************************************** ./~ \ * Scott Southurst (maverick@deakin.edu.au) * ~~\ \ * Deakin University, Warrnambool, Australia * // \ * Aquatic Biology/Computer Programming * | \___/| * A500 - 1084s - 1meg - AMOS 1.34 - AMOS 3d * /~/~~ ___/ * Compiler - AND LOVING IT!! (Soon A1200??) * ~~~~~~~~ *********************************************** From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Sep 29 10:25:40 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA25124 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 29 Sep 1993 10:25:38 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA17839; Wed, 29 Sep 93 10:25:24 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA18003 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Wed, 29 Sep 1993 10:08:06 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA17997 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 29 Sep 1993 10:08:03 -0400 Received: from sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA22705 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 29 Sep 1993 10:07:55 -0400 Received: from mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au (mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au [128.184.102.1]) by sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au (8.5/1.3) with SMTP id AAA16721; Thu, 30 Sep 1993 00:07:46 +1000 Received: by mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au (4.1/client-1.3) id AA14378; Thu, 30 Sep 93 00:07:44 EST Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 00:05:49 +1000 (EST) From: Scott Southurst Sender: Scott Southurst Reply-To: Scott Southurst Subject: Re: AmosPro Compiler & Amos 3d To: LIST AMOS In-Reply-To: <199309271041.AA24608@access.digex.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Status: RO If I understand the problem correctly, the programs aren't compiling correctly because the compiler (outside the interpreter) isn't finding the extension library. I had this problem when I first tried the compiler with AMOS Creator and found it has to do with the configuration of the compiler. Perhaps this is the problem. Check your configuration files. ||\ *********************************************** ./~ \ * Scott Southurst (maverick@deakin.edu.au) * ~~\ \ * Deakin University, Warrnambool, Australia * // \ * Aquatic Biology/Computer Programming * | \___/| * A500 - 1084s - 1meg - AMOS 1.34 - AMOS 3d * /~/~~ ___/ * Compiler - AND LOVING IT!! (Soon A1200??) * ~~~~~~~~ *********************************************** From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Sep 29 10:46:20 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA28006 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 29 Sep 1993 10:46:17 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA21073; Wed, 29 Sep 93 10:45:58 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA18335 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Wed, 29 Sep 1993 10:36:05 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA18331 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 29 Sep 1993 10:36:04 -0400 Received: from adcalc.fnal.gov by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA26396 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 29 Sep 1993 10:36:02 -0400 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1993 9:36:01 -0500 (CDT) From: WALLY To: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: <930929093601.20c062f7@ADCALC.FNAL.GOV> Subject: Output Joy Status: RO Hi, I've done some simple things in interfacing TTL circuits to the parallel port, using AMOS (1.3x). (Just peeks and pokes to configure the data direction and data registers) Does anyone have any info on using joystick #2 as an output device? (I just need a few more bits of O as in I/O!) Any info would be appreciated. - Wally From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Sep 29 11:14:20 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA02383 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 29 Sep 1993 11:14:14 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA24799; Wed, 29 Sep 93 11:11:34 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA18512 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Wed, 29 Sep 1993 10:58:12 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA18508 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 29 Sep 1993 10:58:11 -0400 Received: from uni-paderborn.de by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA29611 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 29 Sep 1993 10:58:06 -0400 Received: from joan.uni-paderborn.de by uni-paderborn.de with SMTP id AA23567 (5.65c8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 29 Sep 1993 15:57:55 +0100 Received: by joan.uni-paderborn.de id AA10623 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for amos-list@access.digex.com); Wed, 29 Sep 1993 15:57:49 +0100 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1993 15:57:49 +0100 From: Tjark Kalow Message-Id: <199309291457.AA10623@joan.uni-paderborn.de> To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re:AMOS Pro Extensions In-Reply-To: <9309291330.AA03114@holodeck.plk.af.mil> References: <9309291330.AA03114@holodeck.plk.af.mil> Status: RO Hello Mark, On Wed, September 29, 93 you wrote about the subject 'AMOS Pro Extensions': > The MAIN advantages would be that everyone whould have a better > product to work with, and everyone would have the SAME set of > options available. And the disadvantage would be a blown-up, huge AMOS. Look, it's better to have a main set of instructions and extensions for special purposes. I wouldn't want some never-used starfield commands waste my valuable money. Besides, you can exclude the extensions when compiling (just change the configuration), I think (but may be wrong), so that they don't blow up the compiled proggy. Taking every extension into the system would result in a 1500-command AMOS with 750 commands seldom used. I just don't need some extensions, so I don't want them to be there in my RAM, and I guess I'm not the only one. See the extension system as an option to configure AMOS to your special needs. BTW, please don't compare this to MessyDos! AMOS is always developed further and Francois *thinks* about it. MS-DOS is always years behind the standard and is only changed when Novell launches a new DR-DOS (Novell-DOS) version. Greetings, Tjark -- This is a typical case, whom we shall refer to as Mr. A, although his real name is this: +----------------------------------------------------------------+ Name: Tjark Kalow E-Mail: tjark@uni-paderborn.de Address: Thorenknick 6 33100 Paderborn Country: Germany Tel.: 0 52 52 / 39 12 (phone answering system) Computer: AMIGA 500 KS1.2 1MB w. 2 drives Occupation: Student +----------------------------------------------------------------+ From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Sep 29 11:25:00 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA03750 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 29 Sep 1993 11:24:57 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA26579; Wed, 29 Sep 93 11:24:30 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA18578 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Wed, 29 Sep 1993 11:10:16 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA18574 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 29 Sep 1993 11:10:14 -0400 Received: from ns-mx.uiowa.edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA01892 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 29 Sep 1993 11:10:13 -0400 Received: from umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu by ns-mx.uiowa.edu (5.64.jnf/921215) on Wed, 29 Sep 93 10:10:11 -0500 id AA02304 with SMTP Received: by umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (5.61.jnf/930730) on Wed, 29 Sep 93 10:09:37 -0500 id AA25809 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1993 10:04:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: Does the Pro Compiler need 1 meg of Chip RAM? (fwd) To: AMOS posting Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 29 Sep 93 08:41:36 GMT+10 From: Paul Reece To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Does the Pro Compiler need 1 meg of Chip RAM? >> I wouldn't have thought it did, but I've run into a nasty problem getting >> any of my programs compiled with the Pro compiler to run under a computer >> with only 512K chip RAM. I can't swear that it's the chip RAM thing >> thatis the problem, but I can take a program that runs fine when compiled >> with the old compiler, run it through the new one, and have it crash on >> computers with only 512K chip ram while continuing to work fine on all >> other computers with > 512K chip RAM. Different systems, different CPU >> speeds, different memory configurations, and different models (A500, A1200, >> A200) don't seem to make any difference. The only variable that is crash >> consistent is the chip RAM. >> >> Now, that being said, is this working the way it is supposed to? Did I >> just miss the documentation that programs compiled under the Pro compiler >> need at least 1 meg of chip RAM to work (could have happened)? Am I wrong >> in my diagnosis? Is there something wrong with the compiler? Enquiring >> minds want to know ... > >Have you been squashing the compiled programs??? On my setup (1/2meg Chip & Negative on the squashing thing. These are just plain old programs run after being compiled in the Pro environment. They work fine on a 512K chip RAM when compiled using AMOS 1.36 but do not work after being compiled by Pro. The same program. Why? Chris R >1.5 Meg Fast) I can't run ANY programs squashed with the AmosPro compiler.. > >Maybe that is the problem - Has anyone else had this trouble with the >Pro compiler and squashing???? > > >- Paul From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Sep 29 16:59:24 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA20710 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 29 Sep 1993 16:59:22 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA18794; Wed, 29 Sep 93 16:59:10 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA25194 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Wed, 29 Sep 1993 16:42:04 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA25190 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 29 Sep 1993 16:42:03 -0400 Received: from bode.ee.ualberta.ca by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA13041 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 29 Sep 1993 16:41:55 -0400 Received: by bode.ee.ualberta.ca (1.37.109.4/15.6) id AA02689; Wed, 29 Sep 93 14:41:45 -0600 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1993 14:36:15 +0700 (MST) From: Mike Sikorsky Subject: Re: Ctext Extension for Pro! To: Amos Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO If someone/anyone can give me an example of how to write an extension I will do CText for Pro... Also Ineed to know a bit more about CText.. right now all I know is that you can store letters/etc in an Icon bank and then use these to print on the screen... but what i need is a bit more detailed description... - Mike Sikorsky From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Sep 29 16:29:35 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA07841 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 29 Sep 1993 16:29:02 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA13960; Wed, 29 Sep 93 16:28:36 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA24413 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Wed, 29 Sep 1993 16:09:30 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA24398 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 29 Sep 1993 16:08:17 -0400 Received: from hp.com by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA27065 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 29 Sep 1993 16:06:15 -0400 Received: from hpvclo.vcd.hp.com by hp.com with SMTP (16.8/15.5+IOS 3.13) id AA01483; Wed, 29 Sep 93 13:06:07 -0700 Received: by hpvclo.vcd.hp.com (1.37.187.4/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA15862; Wed, 29 Sep 93 13:08:07 -0700 From: Matt Pierce Message-Id: <9309292008.AA15862@hpvclo.vcd.hp.com> Subject: Need a definitive answer about 3D To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 13:08:06 PDT Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.36.1.2] Status: RO I need to know if there is a version of the the 3D object editor (OM) that runs under WB2.1 on an NTSC system, and whether the 3D.library has been 100% ported to APro, and can it be compiled? Thanks alot, Matt Pierce From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Wed Sep 29 21:25:35 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA27938 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 29 Sep 1993 21:25:30 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA27733; Wed, 29 Sep 93 21:24:45 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA27593 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Wed, 29 Sep 1993 21:09:52 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA27589 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 29 Sep 1993 21:09:46 -0400 Received: from uicvm.uic.edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA20673 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 29 Sep 1993 21:09:38 -0400 Received: from brfapesp.bitnet by UICVM.UIC.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R1) with BSMTP id 8840; Wed, 29 Sep 93 20:08:50 CDT Received: from vn-gateway by brfapesp.bitnet with PMDF#10108; Wed, 29 Sep 1993 22:08 BSC (-0300 C) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 21:53:00 -0500 From: mauricio.piacentini@bbs816.mandic.onsp.br (Mauricio Piacentini) Subject: AMOS in BRAZIL To: Amos-List@access.digex.net Message-Id: id A2350B; Wed, 29 Sep 93 22:06:02 -0500 X-Envelope-To: Amos-List@access.digex.net Organization: MANDIC BBS Sao Paulo/Brazil +55 11 816-3911 Status: RO From: mauricio.piacentini@bbs816.mandic.onsp.br Hello, Phil. I'm one of the few Amos users in Brazil. I'm currently developing a graphics adventure game, using AMOS Pro, and the problems are popping!!! I'm using Interface language to make a control panel, which performs very well. The problem comes when it's time to interpret the messages I got from the user. I am thinking to use some kind of parser interpreter, so if's desired the player will be able to type the commands instead of clicking in a list of verbs or inventory itens. What do you think of it? I've solved the character's moving routine, which is controled be mouse-clicks on the playing window. Each mouse click activates a MOVE procedure which by its turn activates an AMAL program that moves the character to the new mouse location. But I can't think in a good way to make an interactive inventory display. I want to be able to pick up some object in the screen and automatically add it to a icon-represented inventory. It's easy to make it with text, using an Active List, but with graphics... Do you have any suggestions? MP>I'm going to France and UK in middle October, and I want to contact Amos MP>users or clubs there. Please let me how to reach you? MP>--- MP> * OLX 2.2 * All hope abandon, ye who enter messages here. --- * OLX 2.2 * Unable to locate Coffee -- Operator Halted! From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 30 02:32:49 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA20307 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 02:32:46 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA29377; Thu, 30 Sep 93 02:32:31 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA28750 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 02:23:17 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA28746 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 02:23:15 -0400 Received: from bos3a.delphi.com by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA09080 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 02:23:12 -0400 Received: from bix.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.2-11 #4520) id <01H3JKA9III88Y5Z2D@delphi.com>; Thu, 30 Sep 1993 02:22:49 EDT Received: by bix.com (CoSy3.31.1.29) id <9309300221.memo.28196@BIX.com>; Thu, 30 Sep 1993 02:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 02:21:58 -0400 (EDT) From: sfmcnally@BIX.com Subject: Tome 4.5 To: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: <9309300221.memo.28196@BIX.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Cosy-To: amos-list@access.digex.com Status: RO }>1.36 }>1.36 } >1.36 } >1.36 } >1.36 } >1.36 I just CAN'T WAIT for Tome 4.5, Aaron says it will use a lot of the SUPER FAST special Tome code he's written for Jetstrike! The map drawing commands will hit the blitter directley, going around the slow icon commands! There will allso be a direct-to-blitter-for-map-scrolling-only (screen copy like) command! It SOUNDS liek it'll be a PD updater disk for Tome IV! :) Seumas From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 30 02:51:16 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA12610 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 02:51:15 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA00460; Thu, 30 Sep 93 02:51:05 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA28778 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 02:44:41 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA28774 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 02:44:39 -0400 Received: from bos1a.delphi.com (delphi.com) by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA04074 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 02:44:37 -0400 Received: from bix.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.2-11 #4520) id <01H3JL11GUF48Y5Z2D@delphi.com>; Thu, 30 Sep 1993 02:44:24 EDT Received: by bix.com (CoSy3.31.1.29) id <9309300242.memo.28220@BIX.com>; Thu, 30 Sep 1993 02:42:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 02:42:09 -0400 (EDT) From: sfmcnally@BIX.com Subject: Re: Ctext Extension for Pro! To: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: <9309300242.memo.28220@BIX.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Cosy-To: amos-list@access.digex.com Status: RO Um, CText is a commercial extention, so I don't know if Aaron Fothergill would let you do that. ;) Allso it has about 50 commands or so and a Font Setter program, so even if you were allowed it would be a BIG job. ;) Now if you really want you could pretty easily hack up an amos procedure for writing a string to the screen using the Ascii codes to draw icons from a bank. | ______+ . . . ' . . + . . -+- / + ' ' + . . . + . . | /____ _ ___+ . . . . ~ /:_| ||\/| /\ /__ + . . | ______/ :_|_|| ||^^|___/ . . . --+-- | From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 30 04:00:27 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA22018 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 04:00:22 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA04827; Thu, 30 Sep 93 04:00:08 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA28866 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 03:48:20 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA28862 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 03:48:18 -0400 Received: from kruuna.Helsinki.FI by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA11359 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 03:48:02 -0400 Received: by kruuna.helsinki.fi id AA09156 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list@access.digex.net); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 09:47:02 +0200 From: Mikko Makela Message-Id: <199309300747.AA09156@kruuna.helsinki.fi> Subject: Tome To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 09:47:01 +0200 (EET) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 140 Status: RO Could somebody tell me, what exactly can be done with Tome ? What kind of commands it has (list of mostly used commands) ? Thanks ! -Mikko From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 30 04:01:12 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA22858 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 04:01:05 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA04943; Thu, 30 Sep 93 04:00:52 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA28873 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 03:53:25 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA28869 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 03:53:23 -0400 Received: from relay.surfnet.nl by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA16438 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 03:53:19 -0400 Received: from aixserv.hsbos.nl by relay.surfnet.nl with SMTP (PP) id <07987-0@relay.surfnet.nl>; Thu, 30 Sep 1993 08:52:54 +0100 Received: from charon0.hsbos.nl by aixserv.hsbos.nl (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA21079; Thu, 30 Sep 1993 09:51:45 +0200 Received: From FS3/WORKQUEUE by charon0.hsbos.nl via Charon-4.0A-VROOM with IPX id 100.930930095124.164; 30 Sep 93 09:51:48 -0100 Message-Id: To: amos-list@access.digex.net, sfmcnally@BIX.com From: JURGEN@fs3.hsbos.nl Organization: Hogeschool 's-Hertogenbosch Date: 30 Sep 93 09:51:15 NFT-1DFT Subject: Re: Tome 4.5 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v2.3 (R5). Status: RO > Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 02:21:58 -0400 (EDT) > From: sfmcnally@BIX.com > Subject: Tome 4.5 > To: amos-list@access.digex.net > I just CAN'T WAIT for Tome 4.5, Aaron says it will use a lot of the SUPER FAST > special Tome code he's written for Jetstrike! > The map drawing commands will hit the blitter directley, going > around the slow icon commands! > There will allso be a direct-to-blitter-for-map-scrolling-only > (screen copy like) command! > > It SOUNDS liek it'll be a PD updater disk for Tome IV! :) Hehehehe, Aaron did NOT write the new commands, but Manuel Andre from Belgium.... Cya From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 30 04:12:06 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA05218 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 04:11:34 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA05661; Thu, 30 Sep 93 04:11:13 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA28886 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 03:58:55 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA28882 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 03:58:23 -0400 Received: from relay.surfnet.nl by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA20441 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 03:58:20 -0400 Received: from aixserv.hsbos.nl by relay.surfnet.nl with SMTP (PP) id <07999-0@relay.surfnet.nl>; Thu, 30 Sep 1993 08:54:32 +0100 Received: from charon0.hsbos.nl by aixserv.hsbos.nl (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA19038; Thu, 30 Sep 1993 09:53:18 +0200 Received: From FS3/WORKQUEUE by charon0.hsbos.nl via Charon-4.0A-VROOM with IPX id 100.930930095259.165; 30 Sep 93 09:53:27 -0100 Message-Id: To: amos-list@access.digex.net, Matt Pierce From: JURGEN@fs3.hsbos.nl Organization: Hogeschool 's-Hertogenbosch Date: 30 Sep 93 09:52:54 NFT-1DFT Subject: Re: Need a definitive answer about 3D Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v2.3 (R5). Status: RO > From: Matt Pierce > Subject: Need a definitive answer about 3D > To: amos-list@access.digex.net > Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 13:08:06 PDT > I need to know if there is a version of the the 3D object editor (OM) that runs > under WB2.1 on an NTSC system, and whether the 3D.library has been 100% ported > to APro, and can it be compiled? > > Thanks alot, > > Matt Pierce > It's version 1.3 > From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 30 04:21:07 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA16577 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 04:21:02 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA06233; Thu, 30 Sep 93 04:20:50 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA28893 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 03:59:41 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA28889 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 03:59:37 -0400 Received: from relay.surfnet.nl by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA21262 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 03:59:34 -0400 Received: from aixserv.hsbos.nl by relay.surfnet.nl with SMTP (PP) id <08040-0@relay.surfnet.nl>; Thu, 30 Sep 1993 08:59:22 +0100 Received: from charon0.hsbos.nl by aixserv.hsbos.nl (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA18053; Thu, 30 Sep 1993 09:57:58 +0200 Received: From FS3/WORKQUEUE by charon0.hsbos.nl via Charon-4.0A-VROOM with IPX id 100.930930095737.167; 30 Sep 93 09:58:03 -0100 Message-Id: To: amos-list@access.digex.net, Kimmo Veijalainen From: JURGEN@fs3.hsbos.nl Organization: Hogeschool 's-Hertogenbosch Date: 30 Sep 93 09:57:26 NFT-1DFT Subject: Re: Turbo x-tension again Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v2.3 (R5). Status: RO > From: Kimmo Veijalainen > Subject: Turbo x-tension again > To: amos-list@access.digex.net > Date: Wed, 29 Sep 93 15:07:22 EET > > > Nope, Aaron will not make a Amos Prof Tome! But....Maybe you know > > the Turbo Extension, the commercial version will contain ALL tome > > commands and they are much faster! So just wait for a while... > > Commercial version? Does this mean shareware? When? How? > There is a PD version availble (version 1.76 I think), and it's *REAL* fast, Francois can learn something of that extension! Cya (o) (o) (|) \_____/ jurgen@hsbos.nl From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 30 08:55:45 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA28100 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 08:55:43 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA26814; Thu, 30 Sep 93 08:55:27 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA01978 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 08:44:11 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA01973 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 08:44:09 -0400 Received: by access.digex.net id AA22192 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list@access.digex.com); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 08:44:07 -0400 From: Michael 'AMOS' Cox Message-Id: <199309301244.AA22192@access.digex.net> Subject: Re: Tome 4.5 To: amos-list@access.digex.net (AMOS Mailing List) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 08:44:07 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <9309300221.memo.28196@BIX.com> from "sfmcnally@BIX.com" at Sep 30, 93 02:21:58 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 406 Status: RO >It SOUNDS liek it'll be a PD updater disk for Tome IV! :) I hope so....Paying more money for an update is not fun . . . Mike -- Michael Cox Work: mcox@access.digex.com Amiga Conquers, AMOS Rules! Play: aj639@cleveland.freenet.edu This space intentionally left blank Fido: 1:109/456.0 The text above is my own and all that other disclaimer junk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 30 09:17:11 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA08442 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 09:17:09 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA29309; Thu, 30 Sep 93 09:16:53 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA02032 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 08:48:13 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA02028 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 08:48:11 -0400 Received: by access.digex.net id AA24434 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list@access.digex.com); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 08:48:08 -0400 From: Michael 'AMOS' Cox Message-Id: <199309301248.AA24434@access.digex.net> Subject: Re: Tome IV/Turbo To: amos-list@access.digex.net (AMOS Mailing List) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 08:48:08 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <9309300227.memo.28200@BIX.com> from "sfmcnally@BIX.com" at Sep 30, 93 02:27:29 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 753 Status: O >The commercial Turbo have "ALL" tome commands?? >ROFL!! (rolling on floor laughing) >Yeah, right! It does not use the same commands. Manuel looked at what TOME could do and wrote his own commands that do the same thing but faster. >Anyway, you really NEED the tome editor to get ANYTHING out of tome >so would that be on Turbo too?? ;) A map editor is being made than can read/write TOME files which are nothing more than Icons or ABK files. So no problem there. Mike -- Michael Cox Work: mcox@access.digex.com Amiga Conquers, AMOS Rules! Play: aj639@cleveland.freenet.edu This space intentionally left blank Fido: 1:109/456.0 The text above is my own and all that other disclaimer junk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 30 09:05:30 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA03122 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 09:05:27 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA28118; Thu, 30 Sep 93 09:05:12 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA02039 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 08:49:30 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA02035 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 08:49:28 -0400 Received: by access.digex.net id AA24993 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list@access.digex.com); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 08:49:21 -0400 From: Michael 'AMOS' Cox Message-Id: <199309301249.AA24993@access.digex.net> Subject: Re: Ctext Extension for Pro! To: amos-list@access.digex.net (AMOS Mailing List) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 08:49:20 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <9309300242.memo.28220@BIX.com> from "sfmcnally@BIX.com" at Sep 30, 93 02:42:09 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 526 Status: O >Um, CText is a commercial extention, so I don't know if Aaron Fothergill >would let you do that. ;) I think that anyone can do it as long as the code is not copied. Kinda like why we have many terminal programs, many word processors, etc. Mike -- Michael Cox Work: mcox@access.digex.com Amiga Conquers, AMOS Rules! Play: aj639@cleveland.freenet.edu This space intentionally left blank Fido: 1:109/456.0 The text above is my own and all that other disclaimer junk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 30 09:31:34 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA15218 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 09:31:28 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA01115; Thu, 30 Sep 93 09:31:08 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA02045 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 08:51:08 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA02041 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 08:51:07 -0400 Received: by access.digex.net id AA25808 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list@access.digex.com); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 08:51:02 -0400 From: Michael 'AMOS' Cox Message-Id: <199309301251.AA25808@access.digex.net> Subject: Re: Tome To: amos-list@access.digex.net (AMOS Mailing List) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 08:51:01 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <199309300747.AA09156@kruuna.helsinki.fi> from "Mikko Makela" at Sep 30, 93 09:47:01 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 597 Status: O >Could somebody tell me, what exactly can be done with Tome ? It lets you scroll map screens around. The editor lets you create huge maps made of icons and it takes up little memory. Then, you can scroll the map around using the TOME commands. I will give a list of the commands and what they do this weekend. Mike -- Michael Cox Work: mcox@access.digex.com Amiga Conquers, AMOS Rules! Play: aj639@cleveland.freenet.edu This space intentionally left blank Fido: 1:109/456.0 The text above is my own and all that other disclaimer junk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 30 10:16:12 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA06589 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 10:16:10 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA06902; Thu, 30 Sep 93 10:15:47 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA02608 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 09:56:18 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA02604 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 09:56:16 -0400 Received: from cc.lut.fi by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA26963 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 09:56:13 -0400 Received: by cc.lut.fi (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4/Kim-2.2) id AA01997; Thu, 30 Sep 1993 15:56:01 +0200 From: Kimmo Veijalainen Message-Id: <199309301356.AA01997@cc.lut.fi> Subject: someone pleaze reply To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 15:56:01 EET X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: O Has _anyone_ tested my sigmaker? I need to know if any of you guys are experimenting problems running it (it was compiled with compiler pro). From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 30 18:06:04 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA08469 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 18:06:02 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA20480; Thu, 30 Sep 93 18:05:08 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA08210 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 17:39:31 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA08206 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 17:39:25 -0400 Received: from kruuna.Helsinki.FI by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA26880 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 17:39:21 -0400 Received: by kruuna.helsinki.fi id AA04313 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list@access.digex.net); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 23:39:21 +0200 From: Mikko Makela Message-Id: <199309302139.AA04313@kruuna.helsinki.fi> Subject: Re: Tome (fwd) To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1993 23:39:21 +0200 (EET) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 830 Status: O Forwarded message: >From mpierce@hpvclo.vcd.hp.com Thu Sep 30 18:35:02 1993 From: Matt Pierce Message-Id: <9309301636.AA23758@hpvclo.vcd.hp.com> Subject: Re: Tom To: mmmakela@cc.helsinki.fi (Mikko Makela) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 93 9:36:53 PDT In-Reply-To: <199309300747.AA09156@kruuna.helsinki.fi>; from "Mikko Makela" at Sep 30, 93 9:47 am Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.36.1.2] X-Charset: LATIN1 X-Char-Esc: 29 I purchased TOME about 2 years ago (or very soon after it was available in the states) but never sent in my registration card (didn't know which country to send it to) and I was wondering: Has there been an upgrade to it since it was intro'ed in the states, where does one get the update, and in case it will not be ported to APro, does Turbo have all the TOME commands? Thanks, Matt Pierce From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 30 17:47:17 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA00291 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 17:47:15 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA18071; Thu, 30 Sep 93 17:46:47 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA08203 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 17:36:55 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA08199 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 17:36:53 -0400 Received: from vax.mbhs.edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA25851 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 17:36:47 -0400 Message-Id: <199309302136.AA25851@access.digex.net> Date: 30 Sep 93 17:17:00 EST From: "Andrew Church" <95ACHURCH@vax.mbhs.edu> Subject: Re: Tome To: "amos-list" Status: O >>Could somebody tell me, what exactly can be done with Tome ? I was wondering this myself... >It lets you scroll map screens around. The editor lets you create huge maps >made of icons and it takes up little memory. Then, you can scroll the map >around using the TOME commands. I will give a list of the commands and what >they do this weekend. I'd like to see this... Exactly how fast is it, and how big a map can it handle? I wrote my own map-type procedures in assembly, and they're faster than anything else I've seen. --Andy Church From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Thu Sep 30 17:53:46 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA03374 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 17:53:43 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA18697; Thu, 30 Sep 93 17:51:58 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA08197 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 17:36:18 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA08193 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 17:36:16 -0400 Received: from vax.mbhs.edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA25619 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 30 Sep 1993 17:36:08 -0400 Message-Id: <199309302136.AA25619@access.digex.net> Date: 30 Sep 93 17:35:00 EST From: "Andrew Church" <95ACHURCH@vax.mbhs.edu> Subject: Re: Output Joy To: "amos-list" Status: O > I've done some simple things in interfacing TTL circuits to the parallel >port, using AMOS (1.3x). (Just peeks and pokes to configure the data direction >and data registers) Does anyone have any info on using joystick #2 as an >output device? (I just need a few more bits of O as in I/O!) Any info would >be appreciated. - Wally Looking in my reference manual, the following statement should do the trick: Doke $DFF034,$A000+(DAT9*$4000)+(DAT5*$1000) where DAT9 is the data bit output over pin 9, and DAT5 is the bit output over pin 5. I think (though I'm not sure) that the lines are active low. --Andy Church From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Oct 1 01:55:29 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA28218 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 1 Oct 1993 01:55:25 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA13431; Fri, 1 Oct 93 01:54:35 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA11203 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Fri, 1 Oct 1993 01:47:23 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA11196 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 1 Oct 1993 01:47:21 -0400 Received: from sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA21088 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 1 Oct 1993 01:47:08 -0400 Received: from mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au (mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au [128.184.102.1]) by sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au (8.5/1.3) with SMTP id PAA18541; Fri, 1 Oct 1993 15:46:42 +1000 Received: by mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au (4.1/client-1.3) id AA07792; Fri, 1 Oct 93 15:46:40 EST Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1993 15:45:48 +1000 (EST) From: Scott Southurst Subject: 3d proggy To: LIST AMOS Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O I have just sent the previously mentioned 3d proggy to those who asked for it. If I missed out on anyone just feel free to ask me for it. ||\ *********************************************** ./~ \ * Scott Southurst (maverick@deakin.edu.au) * ~~\ \ * Deakin University, Warrnambool, Australia * // \ * Aquatic Biology/Computer Programming * | \___/| * A500 - 1084s - 1meg - AMOS 1.34 - AMOS 3d * /~/~~ ___/ * Compiler - AND LOVING IT!! (Soon A1200??) * ~~~~~~~~ *********************************************** From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Oct 1 06:44:17 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA18124 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 1 Oct 1993 06:44:13 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA22284; Fri, 1 Oct 93 05:29:16 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net ) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA11625 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Fri, 1 Oct 1993 04:46:03 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA11621 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 1 Oct 1993 04:46:00 -0400 Received: from bos1c.delphi.com (delphi.com) by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA21217 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 1 Oct 1993 04:45:55 -0400 Received: from bix.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.2-11 #4520) id <01H3L386ILCW8Y6C7O@delphi.com>; Fri, 1 Oct 1993 04:36:20 EDT Received: by bix.com (CoSy3.31.1.29) id <9310010433.memo.30640@BIX.com>; Fri, 1 Oct 1993 04:33:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1993 04:33:52 -0400 (EDT) From: sfmcnally@BIX.com Subject: Re: Tome (fwd) To: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: <9310010433.memo.30640@BIX.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Cosy-To: amos-list@access.digex.com Status: RO If you have series IV of tome (it comes with a big manual) then that's the latest. And send the card to the U.K. . | ______+ . . . ' . . + . . -+- / + ' ' + . . . + . . | /____ _ ___+ . . . . ~ /:_| ||\/| /\ /__ + . . | ______/ :_|_|| ||^^|___/ . . . --+-- | From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Oct 1 06:56:21 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA27634 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 1 Oct 1993 06:56:20 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA21693; Fri, 1 Oct 93 04:55:16 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net ) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA11601 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Fri, 1 Oct 1993 04:45:52 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA11597 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 1 Oct 1993 04:45:51 -0400 Received: from bos1c.delphi.com (delphi.com) by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA21153 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 1 Oct 1993 04:45:49 -0400 Received: from bix.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.2-11 #4520) id <01H3L2Z83VQO8Y6C7O@delphi.com>; Fri, 1 Oct 1993 04:29:07 EDT Received: by bix.com (CoSy3.31.1.29) id <9310010417.memo.30630@BIX.com>; Fri, 1 Oct 1993 04:17:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1993 04:17:20 -0400 (EDT) From: sfmcnally@BIX.com Subject: Re: Tome 4.5 To: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: <9310010417.memo.30630@BIX.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Cosy-To: amos-list@access.digex.com Status: RO Aaron did "NOT" write WHAT new (tome 4.5) commands? And where'd you hear this? | ______+ . . . ' . . + . . -+- / + ' ' + . . . + . . | /____ _ ___+ . . . . ~ /:_| ||\/| /\ /__ + . . | ______/ :_|_|| ||^^|___/ . . . --+-- | From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Oct 1 06:49:33 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA22553 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 1 Oct 1993 06:49:31 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA22686; Fri, 1 Oct 93 05:50:24 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net ) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA11609 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Fri, 1 Oct 1993 04:45:55 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA11603 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 1 Oct 1993 04:45:53 -0400 Received: from bos1c.delphi.com (delphi.com) by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA21175 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 1 Oct 1993 04:45:50 -0400 Received: from bix.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.2-11 #4520) id <01H3L2ZE4WEO8Y6C7O@delphi.com>; Fri, 1 Oct 1993 04:29:15 EDT Received: by bix.com (CoSy3.31.1.29) id <9310010423.memo.30631@BIX.com>; Fri, 1 Oct 1993 04:23:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1993 04:23:24 -0400 (EDT) From: sfmcnally@BIX.com Subject: Re: Ctext Extention for Pro! To: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: <9310010423.memo.30631@BIX.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Cosy-To: amos-list@access.digex.com Status: RO >I think that anyone can do it as long as the code is not copied. ... Sure, but you sure couldn't CALL it "CText", and you'd have to not copy it TOO closely. ;) Even if all the code is completely different, if something looks and feels the same as a (C) proggy it's a breach of (C). (I think so anyway, cuz you'd be steeling all the ideas) | ______+ . . . ' . . + . . -+- / + ' ' + . . . + . . | /____ _ ___+ . . . . ~ /:_| ||\/| /\ /__ + . . | ______/ :_|_|| ||^^|___/ . . . --+-- | From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Oct 1 06:51:27 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA23892 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 1 Oct 1993 06:51:23 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA21882; Fri, 1 Oct 93 05:06:44 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net ) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA11615 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Fri, 1 Oct 1993 04:45:57 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA11605 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 1 Oct 1993 04:45:54 -0400 Received: from bos1c.delphi.com (delphi.com) by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA21188 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 1 Oct 1993 04:45:52 -0400 Received: from bix.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.2-11 #4520) id <01H3L2ZLZTSG8Y6C7O@delphi.com>; Fri, 1 Oct 1993 04:29:26 EDT Received: by bix.com (CoSy3.31.1.29) id <9310010426.memo.30634@BIX.com>; Fri, 1 Oct 1993 04:26:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1993 04:26:45 -0400 (EDT) From: sfmcnally@BIX.com Subject: Re: Tome IV/Turbo To: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: <9310010426.memo.30634@BIX.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Cosy-To: amos-list@access.digex.com Status: RO But can Manuel's TOMEish commands do automatic updating AND tile animating? And tile swapping at runtime... | ______+ . . . ' . . + . . -+- / + ' ' + . . . + . . | /____ _ ___+ . . . . ~ /:_| ||\/| /\ /__ + . . | ______/ :_|_|| ||^^|___/ . . . --+-- | From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Oct 1 06:48:14 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA21490 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 1 Oct 1993 06:48:12 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA22450; Fri, 1 Oct 93 05:39:19 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net ) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA11620 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Fri, 1 Oct 1993 04:45:59 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA11611 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 1 Oct 1993 04:45:56 -0400 Received: from bos1c.delphi.com (delphi.com) by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA21200 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 1 Oct 1993 04:45:53 -0400 Received: from bix.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.2-11 #4520) id <01H3L37WGMM88Y6C7O@delphi.com>; Fri, 1 Oct 1993 04:36:07 EDT Received: by bix.com (CoSy3.31.1.29) id <9310010431.memo.30636@BIX.com>; Fri, 1 Oct 1993 04:31:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1993 04:31:02 -0400 (EDT) From: sfmcnally@BIX.com Subject: Re: Tome To: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: <9310010431.memo.30636@BIX.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Cosy-To: amos-list@access.digex.com Status: RO Tome maps can be as big as your MEMORY will allow! :) And tome allso has tile value lists that give values to different tiles. Very good to figure out what tiles you should crash into, or how hard it is to kill a tile. | ______+ . . . ' . . + . . -+- / + ' ' + . . . + . . | /____ _ ___+ . . . . ~ /:_| ||\/| /\ /__ + . . | ______/ :_|_|| ||^^|___/ . . . --+-- | From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Oct 1 20:26:55 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA23417 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 1 Oct 1993 20:26:53 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA25569; Fri, 1 Oct 93 20:26:24 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA20517 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Fri, 1 Oct 1993 20:11:03 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA20513 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 1 Oct 1993 20:11:01 -0400 Received: from bode.ee.ualberta.ca by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA21697 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 1 Oct 1993 20:10:56 -0400 Received: by bode.ee.ualberta.ca (1.37.109.4/15.6) id AA19326; Fri, 1 Oct 93 18:10:52 -0600 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1993 18:08:26 +0700 (MST) From: Mike Sikorsky Subject: Re: Ctext Extention for Pro! Cc: amos-list@access.digex.net In-Reply-To: <9310010423.memo.30631@BIX.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO > >I think that anyone can do it as long as the code is not copied. ... > > Sure, but you sure couldn't CALL it "CText", and you'd have to > not copy it TOO closely. ;) > > Even if all the code is completely different, if something looks > and feels the same as a (C) proggy it's a breach of (C). > (I think so anyway, cuz you'd be steeling all the ideas) > That is like saying that "dir" can be copyrighted... > | ______+ . . . ' . . + . . > -+- / + ' ' + . . . + . . > | /____ _ ___+ . . . . > ~ /:_| ||\/| /\ /__ + . . | > ______/ :_|_|| ||^^|___/ . . . --+-- > | > From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Oct 1 07:35:10 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA25770 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 1 Oct 1993 07:35:08 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA05503; Fri, 1 Oct 93 07:34:25 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA12893 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Fri, 1 Oct 1993 07:24:46 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA12889 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 1 Oct 1993 07:24:44 -0400 Received: by access.digex.net id AA18905 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list@access.digex.com); Fri, 1 Oct 1993 07:24:42 -0400 From: Michael 'AMOS' Cox Message-Id: <199310011124.AA18905@access.digex.net> Subject: Re: Tome IV/Turbo To: amos-list@access.digex.net (AMOS Mailing List) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1993 07:24:42 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <9310010426.memo.30634@BIX.com> from "sfmcnally@BIX.com" at Oct 1, 93 04:26:45 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 404 Status: RO >But can Manuel's TOMEish commands do automatic updating AND tile >animating? >And tile swapping at runtime... Not yet. Mike -- Michael Cox Work: mcox@access.digex.com Amiga Conquers, AMOS Rules! Play: aj639@cleveland.freenet.edu This space intentionally left blank Fido: 1:109/456.0 The text above is my own and all that other disclaimer junk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Oct 1 12:40:54 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA06054 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 1 Oct 1993 12:40:52 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA17280; Fri, 1 Oct 93 12:38:10 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA16813 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Fri, 1 Oct 1993 12:22:15 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA16809 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 1 Oct 1993 12:22:12 -0400 Received: from vax.mbhs.edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA02866 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 1 Oct 1993 12:22:08 -0400 Message-Id: <199310011622.AA02866@access.digex.net> Date: 1 Oct 93 12:06:00 EST From: "Andrew Church" <95ACHURCH@vax.mbhs.edu> Subject: Procedure Library v1.0 To: "amos-list" Status: RO I am in the process of uploading the initial release of the AMOS Procedure Library to AmiNet. I've run into some problems, but I expect the library to be available in 2-3 days. The file is: /pub/aminet/dev/amos/ProcLib.lha Below is the list of procedures in the library. --Andy Church ---------------------------- _DOSERROR[ERR] Returns the AmigaDOS error message for the given error code. _FAST_ELLIPSE[XC,YC,RX,RY,_FILLED] Draws an ellipse using integer math. _FAST_LINE[X1,Y1,X2,Y2] Draws a line using integer math. _MAKEMASK[_SCREEN,_COLOUR,TEMP1,TEMP2,X1,Y1,X2,Y2,_ICON] Makes a mask for an icon with a given transparent colour. OPENFONT[NAME$,SIZE,_REM] Opens or closes a font. _PALETTE_TO_ANTIQUE[_SCREEN] Converts palette to "antique photograph" colours. _PALETTE_TO_BW[_SCREEN] Converts palette to black and white. _PALETTE_TO_NEGATIVE[_SCREEN] Converts palette to negative colours. _SEPARATE_RGB[_SCREEN,X] Filters colours in picture. _SHADOW_TXT[X,Y,_FG,_BG,_TXT$] Writes shadowed text to the screen. _TO_NTSC Switches display to NTSC mode. _TO_PAL Switches display to PAL mode. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Oct 1 20:17:14 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA22369 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 1 Oct 1993 20:17:12 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA24590; Fri, 1 Oct 93 20:16:36 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA20509 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Fri, 1 Oct 1993 20:07:35 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA20505 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 1 Oct 1993 20:07:34 -0400 Received: from bos1a.delphi.com (delphi.com) by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA21352 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 1 Oct 1993 20:07:27 -0400 Received: from bix.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.2-11 #4520) id <01H3LZQBBJ5C8Y6C7O@delphi.com>; Fri, 1 Oct 1993 20:07:13 EDT Received: by bix.com (CoSy3.31.1.29) id <9310012004.memo.32215@BIX.com>; Fri, 1 Oct 1993 20:04:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1993 20:04:45 -0400 (EDT) From: sfmcnally@BIX.com Subject: Re: Ctest Extention for Pro! To: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: <9310012004.memo.32215@BIX.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Cosy-To: amos-list@access.digex.com Status: RO >I don't know...A lot of word processors do the same in the same way. Yes, BUT they don't all LOOK and FEEL the same! F The Code, if something Looks, feels and acts like another program it's a breach of copyright. I'm sure of that. (see following News Flash for more info) | ______+ . . . ' . . + . . -+- / + ' ' + . . . + . . | /____ _ ___+ . . . . ~ /:_| ||\/| /\ /__ + . . | ______/ :_|_|| ||^^|___/ . . . --+-- | From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Fri Oct 1 20:38:27 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA24718 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 1 Oct 1993 20:38:25 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA26835; Fri, 1 Oct 93 20:37:32 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA20523 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Fri, 1 Oct 1993 20:12:00 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA20519 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 1 Oct 1993 20:11:57 -0400 Received: from bos1a.delphi.com (delphi.com) by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA21803 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 1 Oct 1993 20:11:55 -0400 Received: from bix.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.2-11 #4520) id <01H3LZVUAQG08Y6C7O@delphi.com>; Fri, 1 Oct 1993 20:11:41 EDT Received: by bix.com (CoSy3.31.1.29) id <9310012008.memo.32219@BIX.com>; Fri, 1 Oct 1993 20:08:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1993 20:08:49 -0400 (EDT) From: sfmcnally@BIX.com Subject: AMOS NEWS FLASH!! To: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: <9310012008.memo.32219@BIX.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Cosy-To: amos-list@access.digex.com Status: RO ___ _____ /| /| /| / \ / / | / |/ | / | /____ /--| / | | / / / |/ | \___/ _____/ ____ _____ |\ | | | | / | \ | |____ | | \____ | \ | | | /\ | \ | \| |____ |/ \| _____/ ____ _ _____ | | / \ / | | | | |____ | / \ \____ |____| | | | | |-----| \ | | | |____ | | _____/ | | * * >From ENGLAND! I just talked to Aaron Fothergill of Shadow Software/The Amos Club and found out some INTERESTING things! :) There has been rumor going around that the TURBO extention will have commands like those in TOME, it will NOT! Manuel DID make a set of TOME like commands for TURBO but it infringed on Aaron's COPYRIGHT so they had a little talk at the OZ convention and everything was straightend out. And sorry to Amos PRO users, but Aaron and most other british developers WILL -* NOT *- do ANY extentions for PRO. Francois Lionet has been looking for a programmer to do Amos AGA, but noone wants to do it cuz there's NO MONEY in it for them. So it SOUNDS like Francois WON'T do Amos AGA. BUT!! The AGA EXTENTION for AMOS CREATOR should be DONE BY X-MAS, and there should be a DEMO of it on the Nets soon! The AGA EXTENTION allows for UNLIMITED numbers of screens, HAM8 and 256 colors AND ALLMOST UNLIMITED numbers of 256 COLOR SPRITES! BOBS be GONE! SPRITES will RULE! TOME 4.5 will allow ALLMOST UNLIMITED numbers of TILES using a WORD-PER-TILE MAP system for the SERIOUS Amos Programmer! AND! Aaron Fothergill's KILLER game JETSTRIKE *should* be released in CANADA and the U.K. on the *25th* of Oct, THIS MONTH! (This has been a public news broadcast. Any or all of this may be reproduced or redistributed as long as credit is given. Seumas McNally) | ______+ . . . ' . . + . . -+- / + ' ' + . . . + . . | /____ _ ___+ . . . . ~ /:_| ||\/| /\ /__ + . . | ______/ :_|_|| ||^^|___/ . . . --+-- | From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Oct 2 03:44:07 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA08936 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 2 Oct 1993 03:44:03 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA26006; Sat, 2 Oct 93 03:43:35 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA22112 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Sat, 2 Oct 1993 03:33:25 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA22108 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 2 Oct 1993 03:33:23 -0400 Received: from bos1a.delphi.com (delphi.com) by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA02922 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 2 Oct 1993 03:33:16 -0400 Received: from bix.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.2-11 #4520) id <01H3MFB7PYU88Y6LZA@delphi.com>; Sat, 2 Oct 1993 03:33:10 EDT Received: by bix.com (CoSy3.31.1.29) id <9310020332.memo.32769@BIX.com>; Sat, 2 Oct 1993 03:32:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1993 03:32:19 -0400 (EDT) From: sfmcnally@BIX.com Subject: Copyrights To: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: <9310020332.memo.32769@BIX.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Cosy-To: amos-list@access.digex.com Status: RO All right you guys, you try making a game that looks, feels, playes, and sounds just like Lemmings II, and not get sued by Psygnosis! Hear abot when Apple took Micros**t to court because Windows looked felt and acted just like Apples desktop? Of course Apple lost, but that was ONLY cuz they didn't have quite enough money for all the lawyers that MS did, so MS won. It's sad. If you couldn't Copyright Idias then what about books? They're ONE BIG idea, but copying a book is illegal, isn't it? This is a really stupid argument. | ______+ . . . ' . . + . . -+- / + ' ' + . . . + . . | /____ _ ___+ . . . . ~ /:_| ||\/| /\ /__ + . . | ______/ :_|_|| ||^^|___/ . . . --+-- | From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Oct 2 04:42:41 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA12767 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 2 Oct 1993 04:42:38 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA28470; Sat, 2 Oct 93 04:42:24 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA22249 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Sat, 2 Oct 1993 04:32:37 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA22245 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 2 Oct 1993 04:32:34 -0400 Received: from amiserv.xnet.com by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA09374 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 2 Oct 1993 04:32:26 -0400 Received: from amiganet by amiserv.xnet.com with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0oj2O9-000r6vC; Sat, 2 Oct 93 03:32 CDT Received: by amiganet.chi.il.us (V1.16/Amiga) id AA02ap7; Sat, 2 Oct 93 03:11:21 CST Date: Sat, 2 Oct 93 03:11:21 CST Message-Id: <9310020911.AA02ap6@amiganet.chi.il.us> From: schung@amiganet.chi.il.us (Sung Chung) To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: LIbs Status: RO The command called =Screen base. What this thing realy do? Because,I'm confuse with some of the commands alrealy. ALso, I try to run 3D Amos in 2.04 and unable to work. Why? Is there a fixes or something. Because, when I bought this. I was using 1.3 rom chip at that time. If 3D do run only on 1.3 rom. Can I upgrade it or can I make GFX's in 1.3 rom and then use Amos1.3 version to run my problem on 2.04 rom? If this opposible? From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Oct 2 07:33:47 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA20772 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 2 Oct 1993 07:33:46 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA05307; Sat, 2 Oct 93 07:33:35 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA22628 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Sat, 2 Oct 1993 07:24:31 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA22624 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 2 Oct 1993 07:24:29 -0400 Received: by access.digex.net id AA20637 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list@access.digex.com); Sat, 2 Oct 1993 07:24:21 -0400 From: Michael 'AMOS' Cox Message-Id: <199310021124.AA20637@access.digex.net> Subject: Sigh.... To: amos-list@access.digex.net (AMOS Mailing List) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1993 07:24:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 681 Status: RO I am sorry to hear that Manuel has stopped his map commands. I am also sorry tohear that no europeans are going to support AMOSPro. I just wonder why? I mean it is not difficult to port from Creator to Pro. For all we know they will just let AMOS Pro die because "it is not fast enough". Sigh. . . Oh well. . . No more discussions about copyrights, etc. Just things about AMOS programming. Mike -- Michael Cox Work: mcox@access.digex.com Amiga Conquers, AMOS Rules! Play: aj639@cleveland.freenet.edu This space intentionally left blank Fido: 1:109/456.0 The text above is my own and all that other disclaimer junk From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Oct 2 08:13:57 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA23913 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 2 Oct 1993 08:13:56 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA06348; Sat, 2 Oct 93 08:13:42 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA22718 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Sat, 2 Oct 1993 08:01:37 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA22714 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 2 Oct 1993 08:01:35 -0400 Received: from frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA22457 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 2 Oct 1993 08:01:25 -0400 Received: from doc.ic.ac.uk by frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk id <05539-0@frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk>; Sat, 2 Oct 1993 13:01:27 +0100 From: Paul Hickman Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1993 13:01:20 +0100 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.3 5/22/91) To: amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Problems, Problems .... Message-Id: <"frigate.do.554:02.09.93.12.01.29"@doc.ic.ac.uk> Status: RO Thanks to those who replied about my sprites problem - heres some more food for thought: The other day, I tried to use the Sample_Bank_Maker program, and hated it. OK, it's short, but that's about it's only advantage. So I promptly wrote a sample bank editor program. This allows you to load, append, include, save existing sample banks as well are create new ones. You can also add, move, and remove samples from the bank, and change the sample names & frequencies. I have also included the much needed option to load IFF 8SVX files, and used the requester system I developed for my pratched program (Which should be released very soon). All of this worked first time (This is very very rare for my programs). Then I tried to add the option to play the samples, so you don't have to load them into ST/NT/MED etc. first to find which ones you want, and this is where things went wrong. It appears that after using the Sam Raw instruction, the disk drive is disabled!. I've tried using Sam Stop before disk DMA - Doesn't work. I've tried compiling the sample to be played into a 1 sample bank, and using Sam Play - Doesn't work. However, if I write a two line program: Sam Raw %1111,100000,10000,10000 Print Dir First$("AMOS:") It works! Any ideas on what`s happening? Dir first & Dir next are the commands that my sample program fails on. Problem 2 Still on the subject of sound, I tried to convert a MED module to AMOS, by saving it as an ST-MODULE from OctaMED Pro 3.0, and using the sound tracker convertor to make an AMOS music bank. However, it didn't convert the bank properly, so I decided to try using the Track commands. So I Bloaded my module into a bank, and tried the Track Play command. I then got an error message in german, with I think mean't "This is not a tracker module" (I'm not to good at german). How can I play my module? I`m going to try getting a PD tracker, loading my module to that, and saving it back again. Comming Soon To An Aminet Site Near You: - PratchED Text Editor - Sample bank editor - Asteroids game +-------------------------+------------------------------------+ | | _____ | | PAUL HICKMAN | / \ ON A HOT SUMMER NIGHT | | (ph@doc.ic.ac.uk) | / O O \ WOULD YOU OFFER YOUR | | DEPARTMENT OF COMPUTING | | _ | THROAT TO THE WOLF | | IMPERIAL COLLEGE LONDON | \ / \ / WITH THE RED ROSES ? | | | \_____/ | +-------------------------+------------------------------------+ Machine A500 WB1.3 - 1mb Memory - External Disk Drive. From ph@doc.ic.ac.uk Sat Oct 2 08:18:12 1993 Received: from frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA24088 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 2 Oct 1993 08:18:09 -0400 Received: from doc.ic.ac.uk by frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk id <06055-0@frigate.doc.ic.ac.uk>; Sat, 2 Oct 1993 13:18:03 +0100 From: Paul Hickman Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1993 13:17:59 +0100 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.3 5/22/91) To: mcox@access.digex.net, dreyfusj@issy.cnet.fr, sfmcnally@BIX.com, sikorsky@ee.ualberta.ca, 95ACHURCH@vax.mbhs.edu, duncan@helois.usq.edu.au, tjark@uni-paderborn.de, platt@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu Subject: Thank you Message-Id: <"frigate.do.057:02.09.93.12.18.06"@doc.ic.ac.uk> Status: RO Thanks for testing my PratchED program & replying (I send it to 20 people, and only 8 have given me feedback) - you will be credited in the doc file for your assistance. I have almost finished the program now, and I haven't heard of any bugs in the latest version, so I hope to release it soon. I am just re-writting the requester code, to make it totally portable - just copy the procedures to another program, and to add new requester features - Press a key when no string gadget is active now works with an number of gadgets in the string. - Check mark options & Apple style Radio-Buttons included in requesters - A selector gadget inclued. This is like the filename list in the fie requester, along with the attached slider - Sliders don't use the AMOS slider commands anymore, so they don't flicker so much, and they have Up / Down arrows (Or Left Right) - The REQUEST_GET_INPUT procedure now handles user I/O for all requesters (Including file, about, and hypertext). - The about requester will be moveable like the rest. - Requesters will work on 4/8/16/32/64 colour screens - File requester brings up a Retry / MakeDir / Cancel requester if you type a non-existant path. I hope to release the requester code as a seperate PD program, with a guide to using it. I am also working on the sequel to PratchED - The PratchED Hex editor. I hope to improve on hex editors such as NewZap by allowing you to change the length of the file, insert / overwrite text, and include the normal WPC Cut/Copy/Paste etc functions. If you would be interested in testing this program, please mail me. Paul. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Oct 2 08:33:25 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA24620 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 2 Oct 1993 08:33:24 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA07088; Sat, 2 Oct 93 08:33:15 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA22837 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Sat, 2 Oct 1993 08:28:06 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA22833 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 2 Oct 1993 08:28:05 -0400 Received: from mamba.cc.lut.fi by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA24456 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 2 Oct 1993 08:27:55 -0400 Received: by mamba.cc.lut.fi (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4/Kim-2.2) id AA24367; Sat, 2 Oct 1993 14:28:00 +0200 From: Kimmo Veijalainen Message-Id: <199310021228.AA24367@mamba.cc.lut.fi> Subject: Sigh.... (fwd) To: amos-list@access.digex.net Date: Sat, 2 Oct 93 14:28:00 EET X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: RO > I am sorry to hear that Manuel has stopped his map commands. I am also sorry > tohear that no europeans are going to support AMOSPro. I just wonder why? I > mean it is not difficult to port from Creator to Pro. For all we know they will > just let AMOS Pro die because "it is not fast enough". Sigh. . . How it is not fast enough? The editor is much better, the language has features that Amos v1.36 lacks and it's (to my experience) more system friendly. All my proggies written under v1.36 run under Pro without any slowdown. Slow? I don't think so. From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Oct 2 14:49:25 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA20304 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 2 Oct 1993 14:49:22 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA05244; Sat, 2 Oct 93 14:48:50 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA00964 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Sat, 2 Oct 1993 14:38:10 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA00960 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 2 Oct 1993 14:38:08 -0400 Received: from ACS.BU.EDU by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA12610 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 2 Oct 1993 14:37:56 -0400 Received: from ACS2.BU.EDU by acs.bu.edu (5.61+++/AIX-3.2) id AA37034; Sat, 2 Oct 93 14:36:25 -0400 From: hacker@acs.bu.edu (Jose Elias) Received: by acs2.bu.edu (5.61+++/Spike-2.1) id AA184964; Sat, 2 Oct 93 14:36:39 -0400 Date: Sat, 2 Oct 93 14:36:39 -0400 Message-Id: <9310021836.AA184964@acs2.bu.edu> To: amos-list@access.digex.net, sfmcnally@BIX.com Subject: Re: AMOS NEWS FLASH!! Status: RO In the post you talked about 256 color "sprites"??? Do you mean HARDWARE sprites??? in almost unlimited quantities??? I though there were still 8 sprites in AGA with 64 bits wide and 64 colors. PLease correct me if I'm wrong. I HOPE I am and you're not though!!! :-) hacker . . * * #. .# #. .# #* *# ##*. .*## "###*. .*###" "*####. .####*" "*##. .##*" /"###"\ "` "#" '" " hacker@acs.bu.edu From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Oct 2 21:11:39 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA16774 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 2 Oct 1993 21:11:36 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA29505; Sat, 2 Oct 93 21:10:33 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA01773 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Sat, 2 Oct 1993 20:58:54 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA01769 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 2 Oct 1993 20:58:52 -0400 Received: from ariel.cs.yorku.ca (mailhub.ariel.cs.yorku.ca) by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA08312 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 2 Oct 1993 20:58:35 -0400 Received: from blue.cs.yorku.ca by ariel.cs.yorku.ca (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09978; Sat, 2 Oct 93 20:58:36 EDT Date: Sat, 2 Oct 93 20:58:36 EDT From: "GEOFFREY M CARMAN" Message-Id: <9310030058.AA09978@ariel.cs.yorku.ca> To: 95ACHURCH@vax.mbhs.edu, amos-list@access.digex.net Subject: Re: Procedure Library v1.0 Status: RO Andy, Has anyone considered writting a multi-dimensional array sort routine? I.e. A routine that sorts a 8X1000 array by any of the 8 co-ordinates? I need such a routine, and was wondering if anyone had submitted one to you>? Geoffrey Carman cs922012@ariel.cs.yorku.ca From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Oct 2 22:20:45 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA23700 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 2 Oct 1993 22:20:44 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA03322; Sat, 2 Oct 93 22:20:05 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA02201 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Sat, 2 Oct 1993 21:53:16 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA02197 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 2 Oct 1993 21:53:14 -0400 Received: from vax.mbhs.edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA09998 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 2 Oct 1993 21:52:52 -0400 Message-Id: <199310030152.AA09998@access.digex.net> Date: 2 Oct 93 21:43:00 EST From: "Andrew Church" <95ACHURCH@vax.mbhs.edu> Subject: Re: Problems, Problems .... To: "amos-list" Status: RO [...] >Then I tried to add the option to play the samples, so you don't have to >load them into ST/NT/MED etc. first to find which ones you want, and this >is where things went wrong. It appears that after using the Sam Raw >instruction, the disk drive is disabled!. I've tried using Sam Stop before >disk DMA - Doesn't work. I've tried compiling the sample to be played into >a 1 sample bank, and using Sam Play - Doesn't work. > >However, if I write a two line program: > >Sam Raw %1111,100000,10000,10000 >Print Dir First$("AMOS:") > >It works! Any ideas on what`s happening? I think there's a bug somewhere with Sam Raw. I have a program that lets you select music modules and digitised music/sound to play, much like any number of music players available. My procedure to play an IFF 8SVX sound works fine, most of the time, but sometimes it gets stuck and either does not play at all or plays in an endless loop. I also discovered that Sam Loop Off has exactly the same effect as Sam Loop On - they both turn on sample looping! (This is in AMOS Pro 1.12.) >Problem 2 > >Still on the subject of sound, I tried to convert a MED module to AMOS, by >saving it as an ST-MODULE from OctaMED Pro 3.0, and using the sound tracker >convertor to make an AMOS music bank. However, it didn't convert the bank >properly, so I decided to try using the Track commands. So I Bloaded my >module into a bank, and tried the Track Play command. I then got an error >message in german, with I think mean't "This is not a tracker module" (I'm >not to good at german). Try using "Track Load" instead of "Bload". :-) --Andy Church From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Oct 2 22:02:52 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA14403 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 2 Oct 1993 22:02:50 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA02422; Sat, 2 Oct 93 22:02:15 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA02195 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Sat, 2 Oct 1993 21:52:35 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA02191 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 2 Oct 1993 21:52:33 -0400 Received: from vax.mbhs.edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA09730 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 2 Oct 1993 21:52:12 -0400 Message-Id: <199310030152.AA09730@access.digex.net> Date: 2 Oct 93 21:47:00 EST From: "Andrew Church" <95ACHURCH@vax.mbhs.edu> Subject: Re: AMOS NEWS FLASH!! To: "amos-list" Status: RO >In the post you talked about 256 color "sprites"??? >Do you mean HARDWARE sprites??? in almost unlimited >quantities??? I though there were still 8 sprites >in AGA with 64 bits wide and 64 colors. PLease >correct me if I'm wrong. I HOPE I am and you're >not though!!! :-) I don't know about 256 colours, but have you forgotten Virtual Sprites? You can have plenty of sprites on the screen, by assigning each hardware sprite to a different image at different positions on the screen. This is how AMOS handles its computed (i.e. virtual) sprites, I assume. --Andy Church From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sat Oct 2 22:12:04 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA18843 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 2 Oct 1993 22:12:03 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA02837; Sat, 2 Oct 93 22:11:20 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA02189 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Sat, 2 Oct 1993 21:52:24 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA02185 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 2 Oct 1993 21:52:21 -0400 Received: from vax.mbhs.edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA09646 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 2 Oct 1993 21:52:01 -0400 Message-Id: <199310030152.AA09646@access.digex.net> Date: 2 Oct 93 21:50:00 EST From: "Andrew Church" <95ACHURCH@vax.mbhs.edu> Subject: Re: Procedure Library v1.0 To: "amos-list" Status: RO > Has anyone considered writting a multi-dimensional array sort routine? >I.e. A routine that sorts a 8X1000 array by any of the 8 co-ordinates? I need >such a routine, and was wondering if anyone had submitted one to you>? That's a good idea -- I'll write it when I have time, if no one else does it first. I have also wanted to have such a procedure on several occasions. But there will be somewhat of a delay in the archive appearing on Aminet - I cannot convince my terminal program to upload in binary! :-( I'll let everyone know when it's finally up. Sorry for the delay. --Andy Church From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Oct 3 03:20:39 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA22434 (5.67a8/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 3 Oct 1993 03:20:34 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA16925; Sun, 3 Oct 93 03:20:20 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA00493 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Sun, 3 Oct 1993 03:04:42 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA00489 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 3 Oct 1993 03:04:39 -0400 Received: from sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA12035 (5.67a8/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 3 Oct 1993 03:03:58 -0400 Received: from mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au (mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au [128.184.102.1]) by sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au (8.5/1.3) with SMTP id RAA12507; Sun, 3 Oct 1993 17:03:18 +1000 Received: by mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au (4.1/client-1.3) id AA23750; Sun, 3 Oct 93 17:03:17 EST Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1993 16:55:14 +1000 (EST) From: Scott Southurst Subject: The 3d proggy. (4k [ish]) To: LIST AMOS Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Coz people keep asking me for the 3d proggy I previously mentioned I have decided to send it to the list. NOTE: It is only a simple routine. It rotates the defined object around 2 axis. The Y-axis (Moveable axis) and the x axis (fixed). The program has been written to give people an idea of how 3d gfx is done and how hidden vertices is done. When I improve the rotations etc. I'll notify all. WANTED: A "Blank extension" source code. I have the "remains" of source codes but they don't seem to work when I remove the code so that they compile (ie. I remove all the functions etc. so that the file may be used as a template). The files then compile but AMOS won't boot (AMOS Creator v1.34) NOTE 2: There is a slight error in the definition of the object. I think it may be due to the equations I used (Not mine, I got them from a book). I'll have to dig out my equations to see where the error lies. The object will still work OK but the direction it may face will not be as expected. 8<-------------------------cut here---------------------------------------- ' ' Maverick 1993. ' ' 27-9-1993 ' ' NOTE: The documentation has been provided for those who need to ' learn from this program. One interesting thing which can ' be learnt is that comments take time when the program is ' run in the interpreter. What this means is for the prog- ' ram to be viewed at its best remove the comments before ' running (OR compile it). ' Set Buffer 20 Degree Screen Open 0,320,256,16,0 Flash Off Curs Off Hide Cls 0 Double Buffer Autoback 0 ' Close Editor Close Workbench ' Dim OBJ(200,12),SYN(360),COZ(360) Global OBJ(),SYN(),COZ(),S SETUP PITCH=0 YAW=0 DELTADEG=15 ' ' Main Loop ' Repeat Add PITCH,DELTADEG*(Jup(1)-Jdown(1)),DELTADEG To 360 Add YAW,DELTADEG*(Jleft(1)-Jright(1)),DELTADEG To 360 ROTATE[YAW,PITCH] Screen Swap Wait Vbl Cls 0 Until Mouse Key<>0 or Fire(1) ' ' End of program ' Procedure SETUP ' ' This procedure is used to setup the arrays. SYN contains the sine ' values for deg=0 to 360. COZ is the same for the cosine values. ' OBJ contains the points for the object:- ' OBJ(n,1) = x1 OBJ(n,2) = y1 OBJ(n,3) = z1 ... ' OBJ(n,9) = z3 ' For COUNT=0 To 360 SYN(COUNT)=10000*Sin(COUNT) COZ(COUNT)=10000*Cos(COUNT) Next COUNT Restore DATER Repeat Inc PNTS For COUNT=0 To 9 Read OBJ(PNTS,COUNT) Next COUNT Read WORD$ Until WORD$="ENDDATA" ' ' The following stores the number of faces in the object. ' OBJ(0,0)=PNTS ' ' The following contains the data for all the points in the object. ' Three points per polygon. "CONT" is meaningless. "ENDDATA" marks ' the end of the data for the object. ' The first field in the object is the colour of the polygon. ' For the hidden face calculations to be consistant the points MUST ' be defined in an anticlockwise direction when looking at the face ' "HEAD-ON" (ie. from out of the object in) ' DATER: Data 6,30,15,30,30,15,-30,0,-15,0,"CONT" Data 4,-30,15,30,30,15,30,0,-15,0,"CONT" Data 6,-30,15,-30,-30,15,30,0,-15,0,"CONT" Data 4,30,15,-30,-30,15,-30,0,-15,0,"CONT" Data 15,30,15,30,-30,15,-30,30,15,-30,"CONT" Data 13,-30,15,-30,30,15,30,-30,15,30,"ENDDATA" End Proc Procedure ROTATE[YAW,PITCH] ' ' Put simply this procedure draws the object. ' For COUNT=1 To OBJ(0,0) ' ' First the object is rotated about the Y axis (YAWED). ' X1=((OBJ(COUNT,3)*COZ(YAW))/10000)-((OBJ(COUNT,1)*SYN(YAW))/10000) X2=((OBJ(COUNT,6)*COZ(YAW))/10000)-((OBJ(COUNT,4)*SYN(YAW))/10000) X3=((OBJ(COUNT,9)*COZ(YAW))/10000)-((OBJ(COUNT,7)*SYN(YAW))/10000) Z1=((OBJ(COUNT,3)*SYN(YAW))/10000)+((OBJ(COUNT,1)*COZ(YAW))/10000) Z2=((OBJ(COUNT,6)*SYN(YAW))/10000)+((OBJ(COUNT,4)*COZ(YAW))/10000) Z3=((OBJ(COUNT,9)*SYN(YAW))/10000)+((OBJ(COUNT,7)*COZ(YAW))/10000) ' ' Next the object is rotated about the X axis (PITCHED). ' Y1=((OBJ(COUNT,2)*COZ(PITCH))/10000)-((Z1*SYN(PITCH))/10000) Y2=((OBJ(COUNT,5)*COZ(PITCH))/10000)-((Z2*SYN(PITCH))/10000) Y3=((OBJ(COUNT,8)*COZ(PITCH))/10000)-((Z3*SYN(PITCH))/10000) Z1=((OBJ(COUNT,2)*SYN(PITCH))/10000)+((Z1*COZ(PITCH))/10000) Z2=((OBJ(COUNT,5)*SYN(PITCH))/10000)+((Z2*COZ(PITCH))/10000) Z3=((OBJ(COUNT,8)*SYN(PITCH))/10000)+((Z3*COZ(PITCH))/10000) ' ' The normal vector for the face is calculated. ' A=(Y1*(Z2-Z3))+(Y2*(Z3-Z1))+(Y3*(Z1-Z2)) B=(X1*(Z3-Z2))+(X2*(Z1-Z3))+(X3*(Z2-Z1)) C=(X1*(Y2-Y3))+(X2*(Y3-Y1))+(X3*(Y1-Y2)) Ink OBJ(COUNT,0) ' ' If the face is pointing into the screen then don't draw. ' If C=>0 Polygon X1+160,Y1+128 To X2+160,Y2+128 To X3+160,Y3+128 End If Next COUNT End Proc 8<-------------------------cut here---------------------------------------- From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Oct 3 03:12:54 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA17761 (5.67a8/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 3 Oct 1993 03:12:53 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA16591; Sun, 3 Oct 93 03:12:41 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA00499 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Sun, 3 Oct 1993 03:05:19 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA00495 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 3 Oct 1993 03:05:17 -0400 Received: from sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA12242 (5.67a8/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 3 Oct 1993 03:04:39 -0400 Received: from mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au (mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au [128.184.102.1]) by sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au (8.5/1.3) with SMTP id RAA12538; Sun, 3 Oct 1993 17:04:44 +1000 Received: by mensa.ccs.deakin.edu.au (4.1/client-1.3) id AA23803; Sun, 3 Oct 93 17:04:44 EST Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1993 17:03:46 +1000 (EST) From: Scott Southurst Subject: Just in case. To: LIST AMOS Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO Just in case the previously sent file gets "bounced" I though Id better let everyone know that I have sent the requested 3d proggy to the group. If anyone did not get it please mail me. ||\ *********************************************** ./~ \ * Scott Southurst (maverick@deakin.edu.au) * ~~\ \ * Deakin University, Warrnambool, Australia * // \ * Aquatic Biology/Computer Programming * | \___/| * A500 - 1084s - 1meg - AMOS 1.34 - AMOS 3d * /~/~~ ___/ * Compiler - AND LOVING IT!! (Soon A1200??) * ~~~~~~~~ *********************************************** From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Oct 3 03:50:15 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA06351 (5.67a8/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 3 Oct 1993 03:50:12 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA17874; Sun, 3 Oct 93 03:50:12 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA00538 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Sun, 3 Oct 1993 03:28:47 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA00534 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 3 Oct 1993 03:28:44 -0400 Received: from bos2a.delphi.com (delphi.com) by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA25818 (5.67a8/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 3 Oct 1993 03:28:22 -0400 Received: from bix.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.2-11 #4520) id <01H3NTFT54Z48Y6DSB@delphi.com>; Sun, 3 Oct 1993 03:28:32 EDT Received: by bix.com (CoSy3.31.1.29) id <9310030325.memo.34026@BIX.com>; Sun, 3 Oct 1993 03:25:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1993 03:25:05 -0400 (EDT) From: sfmcnally@BIX.com Subject: Re: Sigh.... To: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: <9310030325.memo.34026@BIX.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Cosy-To: amos-list@access.digex.com Status: RO Mike, it's not just the spped of Pro that the serious programmers in Europe are complaining about, it's more that it's just so buggy. The editor and the interpretor and the compiler. Amos 1.36 does everything just fine, and it's a more solid program to develop serious games Etc with. (At least that's what I hear) Allso Aaron mentioned once that he MIGHT be able to graft Pro's editor onto 1.36, thus giving 1.36 a lot of the advantages Pro has. Btw, News Flash Addition: The AGA extention will sell as a full priced program. And Aaron will probly be doing TOMEjr, a simplefied PD version of TOME. | ______+ . . . ' . . + . . -+- / + ' ' + . . . + . . | /____ _ ___+ . . . . ~ /:_| ||\/| /\ /__ + . . | ______/ :_|_|| ||^^|___/ . . . --+-- | From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Oct 3 03:40:07 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA01551 (5.67a8/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 3 Oct 1993 03:40:04 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA17548; Sun, 3 Oct 93 03:40:03 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA00544 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Sun, 3 Oct 1993 03:32:00 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA00540 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 3 Oct 1993 03:31:58 -0400 Received: from bos2a.delphi.com (delphi.com) by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA27805 (5.67a8/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 3 Oct 1993 03:31:38 -0400 Received: from bix.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.2-11 #4520) id <01H3NTJUBWG08Y6DSB@delphi.com>; Sun, 3 Oct 1993 03:31:47 EDT Received: by bix.com (CoSy3.31.1.29) id <9310030330.memo.34028@BIX.com>; Sun, 3 Oct 1993 03:30:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1993 03:30:52 -0400 (EDT) From: sfmcnally@BIX.com Subject: Pro Slow To: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: <9310030330.memo.34028@BIX.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Cosy-To: amos-list@access.digex.com Status: RO Pro is %1 to %4 slower than normal Amos. That's what I hear from Aaron. A main problem is that the Memory Banks are slower cuz you can have so many. | ______+ . . . ' . . + . . -+- / + ' ' + . . . + . . | /____ _ ___+ . . . . ~ /:_| ||\/| /\ /__ + . . | ______/ :_|_|| ||^^|___/ . . . --+-- | From amos-request@svcs1.digex.net Sun Oct 3 04:00:55 1993 Received: from nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA10052 (5.67a8/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 3 Oct 1993 04:00:52 -0400 Received: from svcs1.digex.net by nextsun.INS.CWRU.Edu with SMTP (5.65b+ida+/CWRU-1.5.2-freenet-gw) id AA18170; Sun, 3 Oct 93 04:00:54 -0400 (from amos-request@svcs1.digex.net for mcox@access.digex.com) Received: by svcs1.digex.net id AA00550 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for amos-list-out); Sun, 3 Oct 1993 03:35:44 -0400 Received: from access.digex.net by svcs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA00546 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 3 Oct 1993 03:35:42 -0400 Received: from bos2a.delphi.com (delphi.com) by access.digex.net with SMTP id AA29678 (5.67a8/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 3 Oct 1993 03:35:20 -0400 Received: from bix.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.2-11 #4520) id <01H3NTOFLVSW8Y6DSB@delphi.com>; Sun, 3 Oct 1993 03:35:29 EDT Received: by bix.com (CoSy3.31.1.29) id <9310030333.memo.34030@BIX.com>; Sun, 3 Oct 1993 03:33:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1993 03:33:53 -0400 (EDT) From: sfmcnally@BIX.com Subject: Re: AMOS NEWS FLASH!! To: amos-list@access.digex.net Message-Id: <9310030333.memo.34030@BIX.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Cosy-To: amos-list@access.digex.com Status: RO Well, that's what Aaron Fothergill told me, and he seems to be quite close to the development of the AGA extention. 256 color sprites as big as memory allowes. :) He said Sprites have allmost NO disadvantages. :) | ______+ . . . ' . . + . . -+- / + ' ' + . . . + . . | /____ _ ___+ . . . . ~ /:_| ||\/| /\ /__ + . . | ______/ :_|_|| ||^^|___/ . . . --+-- |