From amiga@thefree.net Tue Aug 31 21:26:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.249]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA01097 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:29:49 +0100 Received: (qmail 28172 invoked by alias); 31 Aug 1999 20:31:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 28166 invoked from network); 31 Aug 1999 20:31:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fdn.co.uk) (195.34.192.6) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 1999 20:31:48 -0000 Received: from thefree.net [195.34.200.226] by fdn.co.uk (SMTPD32-4.07) id ACEFF92E01AC; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:28:47 +0000 From: Chris Seward To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:26:04 +0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] StrICQ problem X-UIDL: 3f3018d7ad3e4b35798d0b25677ab23d From: Chris Seward Hi, My StrICQ just says 'going online' at the top of the window and then does nothing, If i open the register UIN window then my number will appear and i can send people messages etc. But then after about 50 seconds it goes offline? Any ideas? Toodle Pip! -- Chris Seward - Editor, Amiga Information Online *URL* : http://www.aio.co.uk / *Email* : chris@aio.co.uk Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- You can WIN $100 to Amazon.com! If you join ONElist's FRIENDS & FAMILY program. For details, go to Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From SnorsleX@Home.se Tue Aug 31 22:03:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.159]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA01737 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:06:08 +0100 Received: (qmail 5718 invoked by alias); 31 Aug 1999 21:03:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 5560 invoked from network); 31 Aug 1999 21:03:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2.home.se) (195.66.45.71) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 1999 21:03:30 -0000 Received: from home.se (Hiya@md4690cb9.utfors.se [212.105.12.185]) by smtp2.home.se (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA09886 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 23:03:50 +0200 (CEST) From: Lorens Johansson To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 23:03:46 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [060] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: StrICQ problem X-UIDL: be85cb6c9ce82c0f33a262fcfd5ed74a From: Lorens Johansson Hi Chris... > My StrICQ just says 'going online' at the top of the window and then > does nothing, If i open the register UIN window then my number > will appear and i can send people messages etc. > > But then after about 50 seconds it goes offline? > > Any ideas? My guess would be that you are using a overloaded server! Which server do you use? /Lorens -- Please have a look at my own Amiga programs at: http://snorslex.amiga.tm ICQ UIN: 12464032 WinErr 17a: Full IE4 not detected. Download at least 15MB and try again. --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- ONElist: the best place to EXPLORE topics, SHARE ideas, and CONNECT to people with the same interests. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From lairfight@softhome.net Tue Aug 31 21:52:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.235]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA02488 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:53:54 +0100 Received: (qmail 22311 invoked by alias); 31 Aug 1999 21:51:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 22252 invoked from network); 31 Aug 1999 21:51:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailf.telia.com) (194.22.194.25) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 1999 21:51:25 -0000 Received: from localhost (toor@t1o68p106.telia.com [62.20.138.106]) by mailf.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA27189 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 23:51:23 +0200 (CEST) From: Linus Akesson To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 23:52:17 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [020] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: StrICQ problem X-UIDL: 9d85f7c903f051dbe2f21a1c9491dda6 From: Linus Akesson In accordance with the prophecy, Chris Seward uttered: > From: Chris Seward > Hi, > My StrICQ just says 'going online' at the top of the window and then > does nothing, If i open the register UIN window then my number > will appear and i can send people messages etc. > But then after about 50 seconds it goes offline? > Any ideas? Great, then it isn't just me having that problem after all. It's a rather peculiar bug in stricq, and the workaround is to open one of its windows (preferably the log window, hit Amiga-4 to open it) every 10 seconds or so. This is very inconvenient, but de facto the only way to stay online. You don't have to close the window before re-hitting Amiga-4, not even deactivate it. It's like stricq falls asleep, and you have to keeep hitting that key combination to keep it awake. (Much like I'm feeling now.. yawn) Linus - Linus Akesson ------------------------- http://linusworld.cjb.net - ::: :::. :.:: :. ::.. : :... ::.: ::. :::: :.:. :: :..: :.. :.: :.... "She Woudn't Let Me Kiss Her in the Canoe So I Had to Paddle Her Back." --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Create a list for FRIENDS & FAMILY... ...and YOU can WIN $100 to Amazon.com. For details, go to Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From andrewcrowe@enterprise.net Tue Aug 31 23:55:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.233]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA03476 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 22:59:18 +0100 Received: (qmail 25594 invoked by alias); 31 Aug 1999 22:57:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 25588 invoked from network); 31 Aug 1999 22:57:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.enterprise.net) (194.72.192.18) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 1999 22:57:35 -0000 Received: from enterprise.net (andrewcrowe@max01-016.enterprise.net [194.72.195.16]) by mail.enterprise.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA22472 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 23:57:34 +0100 (GMT/BST) From: Andrew Crowe To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 23:55:32 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [040] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: StrICQ problem X-UIDL: 294a100a6327ee49f24d33eefb73b410 From: Andrew Crowe Hi Everybody, >> My StrICQ just says 'going online' at the top of the window and then >> does nothing, If i open the register UIN window then my number >> will appear and i can send people messages etc. > >> But then after about 50 seconds it goes offline? > Great, then it isn't just me having that problem after all. It's a rather > peculiar bug in stricq, and the workaround is to open one of its windows > (preferably the log window, hit Amiga-4 to open it) every 10 seconds or so. > This is very inconvenient, but de facto the only way to stay online. > > You don't have to close the window before re-hitting Amiga-4, not even > deactivate it. It's like stricq falls asleep, and you have to keeep hitting > that key combination to keep it awake. (Much like I'm feeling now.. yawn) My copy (version 1173 09.12.98) works fine, what version do you have? See ya :) -- Manta Soft - Amiga programing & web page designing Http://members.tripod.com/~mantasoft/ ICQ: 21829166 Homepage updated 5/8/99 --- James Bond on GFX Card & CPU players! - ------------------- Quote of the day: -------------------- - "Bother," said Pooh, as he farted in front of the vicar. --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- ATTENTION ONElist MEMBERS! Are you getting your ONElist news? If not, join our MEMBER NEWSLETTER here: Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From kwdjc@wf.net Tue Aug 31 23:39:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.229]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA03831 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 23:41:14 +0100 Received: (qmail 16399 invoked by alias); 31 Aug 1999 23:40:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 16394 invoked from network); 31 Aug 1999 23:40:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wf.net) (208.129.168.4) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 1999 23:40:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 24629 invoked from network); 31 Aug 1999 18:39:32 -0500 Received: from mw-pm3-8.wf.net (HELO wf.net) (208.134.151.77) by odin.wf.net with SMTP; 31 Aug 1999 18:39:32 -0500 From: Kenneth Craig To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:39:22 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [040] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: StrICQ problem X-UIDL: 747b697b8405049f4d2b1c4a9fd209c5 From: Kenneth Craig Hello Chris, On 31-Aug-99, Chris Seward wrote: > From: Chris Seward > > Hi, > > My StrICQ just says 'going online' at the top of the window and then > does nothing, If i open the register UIN window then my number > will appear and i can send people messages etc. > > But then after about 50 seconds it goes offline? > > Any ideas? > What TCP stack are you using? If it is Miami you must be using 2.1p at least or it will do what you are talking about. You might want to read the faq and it will tell you about these things. Also you might want to subscribe to the stricq list at : majordomo@owlnet.net put subscribe stricq-list in the body of the mail It only gets a few mails each day and there are some helpful people there. Doug's stricq page is at http://www.owlnet.net/amiga/stricq Hope this helps Kenneth -- Whenever you find that you are on the side of the majority, it is time to reform. -- Mark Twain Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga "Actually, I'm sitting on my butt staring at a computer screen." kwdjc@wf.net UIN 12669981 --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- ONElist now has T-SHIRTS! For details and to order, go to: Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From colstv@hotkey.net.au Wed Sep 01 01:40:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.223]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA04676 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 01:41:35 +0100 Received: (qmail 30818 invoked by alias); 1 Sep 1999 01:40:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 30797 invoked from network); 1 Sep 1999 01:40:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au) (203.58.52.2) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 1999 01:40:36 -0000 Received: from hotkey.net.au (maroochydore-as-dial-31.qld.hotkey.net.au [203.58.52.34]) by maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA07989 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:39:46 +1000 (EST) From: Colin Wenzel To: Chris Seward Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 11:40:40 +1000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: [just-amiga] StrICQ problem X-UIDL: 83dde8572b9de1e91194d118c8447999 From: Colin Wenzel On 01-Sep-99, Chris Seward wrote: >From: Chris Seward >Hi, >My StrICQ just says 'going online' at the top of the window and then >does nothing, If i open the register UIN window then my number >will appear and i can send people messages etc. >But then after about 50 seconds it goes offline? >Any ideas? >Toodle Pip! Subscribe to the strICQ mailing list at egroups...!! ---------------------------------------------------- Colin Wenzel. Queensland, Australia. EMAIL: colstv@hotkey.net.au URL: http://www.hotkey.net.au/~colstv/ 'AMIGA' 4000T With CS-III 68060 / 50Mhz 150Mb RAM. ---------------------------------------------------- --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- ONElist: your connection to people who share your interests. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From kwdjc@wf.net Wed Sep 01 01:46:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.207]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA04726 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 01:48:42 +0100 Received: (qmail 3749 invoked by alias); 1 Sep 1999 01:45:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 3619 invoked from network); 1 Sep 1999 01:45:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wf.net) (208.129.168.4) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 1999 01:45:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 23034 invoked from network); 31 Aug 1999 20:46:36 -0500 Received: from mw-pm3-8.wf.net (HELO wf.net) (208.134.151.77) by odin.wf.net with SMTP; 31 Aug 1999 20:46:36 -0500 From: Kenneth Craig To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:46:26 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [040] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: StrICQ problem X-UIDL: a6e635fab0b02e57b5a5ced40643739a From: Kenneth Craig Hello Colin, On 31-Aug-99, Colin Wenzel wrote: > From: Colin Wenzel > > On 01-Sep-99, Chris Seward wrote: >> From: Chris Seward >> Hi, >> My StrICQ just says 'going online' at the top of the window and then >> does nothing, If i open the register UIN window then my number >> will appear and i can send people messages etc. > >> But then after about 50 seconds it goes offline? >> Any ideas? >> Toodle Pip! > > > Subscribe to the strICQ mailing list at egroups...!! > Everybody is leaving the egroups list as they were having spam and bounces back to the list. The new list is at owlnet.net Kenneth -- A fool-proof method for sculpting an elephant: first, get a huge block of marble; then you chip away everything that doesn't look like an elephant. Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga "Actually, I'm sitting on my butt staring at a computer screen." kwdjc@wf.net UIN 12669981 --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- ONElist announces "FRIENDS & FAMILY!" For details, including our weekly drawing, go to http://www.onelist.com/info/onereachsplash3.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From colstv@hotkey.net.au Wed Sep 01 02:12:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.225]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA04877 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 02:12:56 +0100 Received: (qmail 12127 invoked by alias); 1 Sep 1999 02:17:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 12046 invoked from network); 1 Sep 1999 02:17:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au) (203.58.52.2) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 1999 02:17:30 -0000 Received: from hotkey.net.au (maroochydore-as-dial-31.qld.hotkey.net.au [203.58.52.34]) by maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA08567 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:11:09 +1000 (EST) From: Colin Wenzel To: Kenneth Craig Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 12:12:46 +1000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: [just-amiga] Re: StrICQ problem X-UIDL: 5ac43fc88851b62f65964f16ce27ecca From: Colin Wenzel On 01-Sep-99, Kenneth Craig wrote: -snip- >Everybody is leaving the egroups list as they were having spam and >bounces back to the list. The new list is at owlnet.net >Kenneth I stand corrected, they did move a while ago, I forgot..... It must be the "old-timers" disease kicking in..... ---------------------------------------------------- Colin Wenzel. Queensland, Australia. EMAIL: colstv@hotkey.net.au URL: http://www.hotkey.net.au/~colstv/ 'AMIGA' 4000T With CS-III 68060 / 50Mhz 150Mb RAM. ---------------------------------------------------- --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- ATTENTION ONElist MEMBERS: Get your ONElist news! Join our MEMBER NEWSLETTER here: Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From jyork@voyager.net Wed Sep 01 04:25:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.213]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA05343 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 03:28:57 +0100 Received: (qmail 20020 invoked by alias); 1 Sep 1999 03:26:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 19876 invoked from network); 1 Sep 1999 03:26:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail2.voyager.net) (209.153.128.77) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 1999 03:26:32 -0000 Received: from voyager.net (root@as3-dial47.pntc.mi.voyager.net [209.153.137.175]) by mail2.voyager.net (8.9.1/Voyager-MailX) with SMTP id XAA16736 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 23:31:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Jack York To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 23:25:39 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [020] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Inkjet refils X-UIDL: d58b89ace85f054cf8ea9593a971fc2b From: Jack York Hello Don On 31-Aug-99, Don and Lynn Benson wrote: > From: Don and Lynn Benson > > Hi Jack > > On 31-Aug-99, Jack York wrote: >> From: Jack York >> >> Hello, >> >> Has anyone had any experience with inkjet refil kits? Do they >> work without causing problems? Is there a better way to go? >> > > I have used refils in the past with my HP550C printer and they > worked out okay. The black worked much better than the color. > With the HP the kit came with a way to drill a hole in the top of > the cartridge and simply fill the cart. They furnished a plug > for the hole. Okay, but messy! I did it over the kitchen sink > after learning my lesson. Working carefully was an absolute > necessity. NO rushing the job. > > Color carts. were another matter. One kit I tried `popped' the > top of the cartridge off. Another drilled 3 holes. The 3 hole > version was inadvisable. The problem is that the space above the > 3 color tanks is open. So if you fill a color too fast it spills > over into the adjacent color. You have to fill it so slow that > you can go crazy. With the popped top you can see what you are > doing, but it isn't any faster. Also the colors are different > from the manufacturer's colors. So if you have calibrated your > color printing it will be off. > > I have not tried the kits with any other kind of printer. > > I got my color kits from MEI/Micro Center. They also have lower > priced cartridges for some printers. They have a web site: > > http://www.mei-microcenter.com > > They also have a 800 #: 1-800-634-3478 > > Hope this helps. Yeah it does. Just the sort of information I was looking for. I don't want to cause myself grief to save a few dollars. I would hate for one of those plugs to come loose and cause damage. Thanks Don. Jack --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- ONElist users: YOU can win a $100 gift certificate to Amazon.com. Check out the FRIENDS & FAMILY program to find out how. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From dlbenson@psnw.com Wed Sep 01 03:34:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.213]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA05399 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 03:39:03 +0100 Received: (qmail 940 invoked by alias); 1 Sep 1999 03:36:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 930 invoked from network); 1 Sep 1999 03:36:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sierra.psnw.com) (205.199.144.107) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 1999 03:36:44 -0000 Received: from psnw.com (root@vct1-17.psnw.com [206.43.240.40]) by sierra.psnw.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA11145 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:37:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Don and Lynn Benson To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:34:32 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [040] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Inkjet refils X-UIDL: a57af9b1ac6bf3a7568938d535b331e0 From: Don and Lynn Benson Hi Jack On 31-Aug-99, Jack York wrote: > From: Jack York > > > Yeah it does. Just the sort of information I was looking for. I > don't want to cause myself grief to save a few dollars. I would > hate for one of those plugs to come loose and cause damage. > > Thanks Don. > > Jack > Just wanted to be clear on one thing. The plugs were never a problem. One thing I neglected to mention was that there was a tape to put over the bottom vents while you filled the cart. HP carts needed to be pressurized with a little syringe like pump that was included. Later kits required that you let the cart. sit for 15 minutes to stop any dripping present. Once they were filled they were great. In fact, I liked their ink better than the original. ----- Don --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- You can WIN $100 to Amazon.com by starting a new list at ONElist. Drawing is held each week through September 17. For details go to: Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From jyork@voyager.net Wed Sep 01 13:57:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.237]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA11711 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:04:11 +0100 Received: (qmail 14934 invoked by alias); 1 Sep 1999 13:02:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 14901 invoked from network); 1 Sep 1999 13:02:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail1.voyager.net) (209.153.128.76) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 1999 13:02:25 -0000 Received: from voyager.net (root@as5-dial7.pntc.mi.voyager.net [209.153.137.71]) by mail1.voyager.net (8.9.1/Voyager-MailX) with SMTP id JAA24466 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:09:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Jack York To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 08:57:39 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [020] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Inkjet refils X-UIDL: 379c3af5d2d3a4f40109732f3275b3a4 From: Jack York Hello Don On 31-Aug-99, Don and Lynn Benson wrote: > From: Don and Lynn Benson > > Hi Jack > > On 31-Aug-99, Jack York wrote: >> From: Jack York >> >> >> Yeah it does. Just the sort of information I was looking for. I >> don't want to cause myself grief to save a few dollars. I would >> hate for one of those plugs to come loose and cause damage. >> >> Thanks Don. >> >> Jack >> > Just wanted to be clear on one thing. The plugs were never a > problem. > > One thing I neglected to mention was that there was a tape to put > over the bottom vents while you filled the cart. HP carts needed > to be pressurized with a little syringe like pump that was > included. Later kits required that you let the cart. sit for 15 > minutes to stop any dripping present. Once they were filled they > were great. In fact, I liked their ink better than the original. Thanks for the claification. I know the kits have been around for quite awhile so they are probably safe. I saw a number of different kits at the local computer store for HP's but I am using an Epson. Maybe I'll look into it a bit more. Fortunately they last several months for me. 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For details, go to Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From amiscorp@earthlink.net Wed Sep 01 14:45:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.227]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA13266 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:47:20 +0100 Received: (qmail 1497 invoked by alias); 1 Sep 1999 14:46:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 1492 invoked from network); 1 Sep 1999 14:46:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net) (207.217.121.12) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 1999 14:46:05 -0000 Received: from earthlink.net (1Cust43.tnt1.london.ky.da.uu.net [208.250.93.43]) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA07095 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 07:45:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "Marion E. Wyatt" To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 10:45:51 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [060] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: StrICQ problem X-UIDL: 5a3769fa6b9f69a28e5055565c4600f5 From: "Marion E. Wyatt" On 31-Aug-99 at 19:55:32, Andrew Crowe wrote these words of wisdom: > From: Andrew Crowe > > Hi Everybody, > >>> My StrICQ just says 'going online' at the top of the window and then >>> does nothing, If i open the register UIN window then my number >>> will appear and i can send people messages etc. >> >>> But then after about 50 seconds it goes offline? Try a different ICQ server. > My copy (version 1173 09.12.98) works fine, what version do you have? > > See ya :) You realize you are using a very old copy :) Current beta is 0.1485, and last full distribution "stable" version is 0.1371 :) But all thebetas to date have been quite stable on my system. come on and update:) -- Marion E. Wyatt AMIGA3000 CSPPC/233+060/50 CV64/3D OS3.1 138MB 1GB ZIP100 mwyatt@kih.net / // / I support commercial Only AMIGA Makes It Possible! __ __ / // / and shareware progs AMIGA * Back For The FUTURE Member \ \\ \/ // / Dare To Dream AMIGA! of \ \\/ // / * A M I G A I N T E R N A T I O N A L I N C * Team AMIGA\_/_//_/ and * * A M I G A * * My homepage * http://www.users.kih.net/~mwyatt Amiga Connexion * http://www.users.kih.net/~mwyatt/AmigaConnexion.html --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Start a new ONElist list & you can WIN great prizes! For details on ONElist's NEW FRIENDS & FAMILY program, go to Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From lairfight@softhome.net Wed Sep 01 17:30:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.243]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA16790 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:51:17 +0100 Received: (qmail 12996 invoked by alias); 1 Sep 1999 18:49:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 12974 invoked from network); 1 Sep 1999 18:49:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailg.telia.com) (194.22.194.26) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 1 Sep 1999 18:49:43 -0000 Received: from localhost (toor@t4o68p73.telia.com [62.20.139.193]) by mailg.telia.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA22596 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:49:34 +0200 (CEST) From: Linus Akesson To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 19:30:18 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [020] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: StrICQ problem X-UIDL: 65de46c238d041224fa628e7555d97e6 From: Linus Akesson In accordance with the prophecy, Andrew Crowe uttered: > From: Andrew Crowe > Hi Everybody, >>> My StrICQ just says 'going online' at the top of the window and then >>> does nothing, If i open the register UIN window then my number >>> will appear and i can send people messages etc. >> >>> But then after about 50 seconds it goes offline? >> Great, then it isn't just me having that problem after all. It's a rather >> peculiar bug in stricq, and the workaround is to open one of its windows >> (preferably the log window, hit Amiga-4 to open it) every 10 seconds or so. >> This is very inconvenient, but de facto the only way to stay online. >> >> You don't have to close the window before re-hitting Amiga-4, not even >> deactivate it. It's like stricq falls asleep, and you have to keeep hitting >> that key combination to keep it awake. (Much like I'm feeling now.. yawn) > My copy (version 1173 09.12.98) works fine, what version do you have? Version .1371 (15.05.99), but AFAIR I've had the same problem with other stricq versions. Linus - Linus Akesson ------------------------- http://linusworld.cjb.net - ::: :::. :.:: :. ::.. : :... ::.: ::. :::: :.:. :: :..: :.. :.: :.... 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Com" Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 21:02:05 +0100 Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [just-amiga] Jim Collas Resigns X-UIDL: f8440de42625cec22d97dbe179e40505 From: "Chris Green" This hot off the wires from ZDNet Chris Green Technical Editor Computing Collas out as Amiga president Top exec gone after less than eight months at the helm of Gateway subsidiary. By Charles Cooper, ZDNN September 1, 1999 11:39 AM PT Jim Collas has resigned as president of Amiga after less than nine months on the job. It was not clear why Collas left the post. A spokesman for the company said Collas had resigned to pursue personal interests. Amiga said it had promoted vice-president and chief operating officer, Tom Schmidt, to fill the vacancy. Separately, Collas registered to sell 118,000 shares of Gateway's common stock, according to forms released Wednesday by the Securities and Exchange Commission. The departure of Collas comes less than a month after the company orchestrated a high-profile coming-out party for the unit, which is a separate subsidiary of Gateway. Gateway (NYSE:GTW), which paid about $13 million to acquire the rights to 47 Amiga patents, is attempting to revive the once-popular computer brand. Collas and other executives involved in the project had indicated interest in developing Internet-related products based around Amiga technology. Collas, who held a variety of management posts during his seven years at Gateway, had eagerly pressed company CEO Ted Waitt and was subsequently granted the top job at Amiga in January. 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Please quote sparingly and read all ADMIN-README mails** --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- ONElist: your connection to people who share your interests. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From ianurie@jwu.u-net.com Thu Sep 02 01:37:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.229]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA00228 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 18:39:28 +0100 Received: (qmail 11577 invoked by alias); 2 Sep 1999 18:38:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 11570 invoked from network); 2 Sep 1999 18:38:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mserv1a.u-net.net) (195.102.240.34) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 1999 18:38:17 -0000 Received: from [195.102.197.240] (helo=p112.nas4.is3.u-net.net) by mserv1a.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #61) id 11Mbku-0005NX-00 for just-amiga@onelist.com; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:38:40 +0100 Date: 01 Sep 99 20:37:38 -0500 From: "Ian Urie" To: "Chris Seward" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <728.913T1903T12375774ianurie@jwu.u-net.com> Organization: At Home X-Installer: Wirenet 1.8 X-Mailer: THOR 2.6 (Amiga;TCP/IP) Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [just-amiga] StrICQ problem X-UIDL: b1d747adfff143ffe1c5ec62032c47c8 From: "Ian Urie" On 31-Aug-99 16:26:04, Chris Seward said about [just-amiga] StrICQ problem: > From: Chris Seward > Hi, > My StrICQ just says 'going online' at the top of the window and then > does nothing, If i open the register UIN window then my number > will appear and i can send people messages etc. > But then after about 50 seconds it goes offline? > Any ideas? Try changing servers....telling us the version number.....if it worked before....if you have installed any new hardware ,software etc etc. > Toodle Pip! I want this in wav format for STRicq!!! :) -- Ian Urie Uin:19729444 Backup not found: Abort, Retry, Massive heart failure? --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- ATTN ONELIST USERS: stay current on the latest activities, programs, & features at ONElist by joining our member newsletter at Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From amiga@thefree.net Thu Sep 02 21:08:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.135.253]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA01732 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:33:11 +0100 Received: (qmail 4843 invoked by alias); 2 Sep 1999 20:31:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 4804 invoked from network); 2 Sep 1999 20:31:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fdn.co.uk) (195.34.192.6) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 1999 20:31:00 -0000 Received: from thefree.net [195.34.198.104] by fdn.co.uk (SMTPD32-4.07) id A0B2961B01F4; Thu, 02 Sep 1999 20:32:02 +0000 From: Chris Seward To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 21:08:57 +0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Digital Camera as a Webcam? X-UIDL: 7be472f5667a6f5ddfb6de5401854aed From: Chris Seward Hi All, Does anyone know if its possible to use a Digital Camera as a webcam and if it is then I guess you'd need an extra serial port in the blanking plate space, ie, one for your internet connection and the other to transfer the pictures. Is there any Amiga webcam software out there that can do this type of thing? Toodle Pip! -- Chris Seward - Editor, Amiga Information Online *URL* : http://www.aio.co.uk / *Email* : chris@aio.co.uk Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Create a list for FRIENDS & FAMILY... ...and YOU can WIN $100 to Amazon.com. For details, go to Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From andrewcrowe@enterprise.net Thu Sep 02 22:26:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.225]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA02542 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:30:24 +0100 Received: (qmail 22792 invoked by alias); 2 Sep 1999 21:36:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 22740 invoked from network); 2 Sep 1999 21:36:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.enterprise.net) (194.72.192.18) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 1999 21:36:40 -0000 Received: from enterprise.net (andrewcrowe@max05-037.enterprise.net [194.72.197.37]) by mail.enterprise.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA01056 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:28:28 +0100 (GMT/BST) From: Andrew Crowe To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 22:26:26 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [040] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Digital Camera as a Webcam? X-UIDL: 457a6bdf3baa1061ebe34d58cfdb8a0e From: Andrew Crowe Hi Everybody, > From: Chris Seward > > Hi All, > > Does anyone know if its possible to use a Digital Camera as a webcam > and if it is then I guess you'd need an extra serial port in the blanking > plate space, ie, one for your internet connection and the other to > transfer the pictures. As far as I know, no. If there is a digital cam. with software controls and an amiga program that supports it, you could have it take a picture and download it every couple of secconds or so, then /in theory/ it would work. > Is there any Amiga webcam software out there that can do this type > of thing? I think that there is a pack with a b&w video camera and s/w. I think it plugs into the parallel port, but I don't think the software can use it as a web cam. I may be wrong though. 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Join our MEMBER NEWSLETTER here: Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From oliver.roberts@iname.com Thu Sep 02 21:22:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.135.253]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA03831 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:12:28 +0100 Received: (qmail 22546 invoked by alias); 2 Sep 1999 23:10:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 22525 invoked from network); 2 Sep 1999 23:10:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail4.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.211) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 2 Sep 1999 23:10:14 -0000 Received: from modem-104.cornucopia.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.148.232] ident=oliver) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Mg0A-0007Bt-00 for just-amiga@onelist.com; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 00:10:43 +0100 Date: 02 Sep 99 22:22:50 +0100 From: "Oliver Roberts" To: "Chris Seward" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1381.914T2519T13424799oliver.roberts@iname.com> X-Mailer: THOR 2.6 (Amiga;TCP/IP) Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [just-amiga] Digital Camera as a Webcam? X-UIDL: 7e0d8d1efccc6d1376dcc6595ad2cffc From: "Oliver Roberts" Hi Chris, On 02-Sep-99 22:08:57 BST, Chris Seward wrote: > Does anyone know if its possible to use a Digital Camera as a webcam > and if it is then I guess you'd need an extra serial port in the blanking > plate space, ie, one for your internet connection and the other to > transfer the pictures. Yep, you'll need two serial ports. Personally, I use my Surf Squirrel for my modem and stick the digicam on my A1200s internal serial port. > Is there any Amiga webcam software out there that can do this type > of thing? Well - if the software you use with the camera supports ARexx, it is relatively to knock up a short script to act as a webcam - i.e. the script tells the software to take a picture, and then save it to the ram disk, for example. Then, in the script, you can put a little something together to upload it to your webspace or whereever. Stick it all in a loop to execute every 30 seconds or something, and you've got a webcam :) Of course, things are even easier when the digicam is connected to the computer which is actually hosting the website in question :) -- Oliver Roberts /~\ ___(~)__ __ |~~~/~| UIN: 34640231 Norwich, UK | o | ' |~/. /. | | ~|| | oliver.roberts@iname.com |_|_|_M_|_\_,\__; |_| |_| oliver@amigaf1.freeserve.co.uk Amiga Developer |__/ http://www.nanunanu.org/~oliver/ --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- You can WIN $100 to Amazon.com by starting a new list at ONElist. Drawing is held each week through September 17. For details go to: Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From amiga@thefree.net Fri Sep 03 23:57:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.135.253]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA19225 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 23:05:50 +0100 Received: (qmail 13467 invoked by alias); 3 Sep 1999 23:03:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 13430 invoked from network); 3 Sep 1999 23:03:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fdn.co.uk) (195.34.192.6) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 1999 23:03:37 -0000 Received: from thefree.net [195.34.195.117] by fdn.co.uk (SMTPD32-4.07) id A5F95A1601AE; Fri, 03 Sep 1999 23:04:41 +0000 From: Chris Seward To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 23:57:50 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <728.913T1903T12375774ianurie@jwu.u-net.com> X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: [just-amiga] StrICQ problem X-UIDL: 0cdbdc1c4ca0ca91bf3d04fc0a043ff2 From: Chris Seward Everyone!, On 02-Sep-99, you wrote: > Try changing servers....telling us the version number.....if it worked > before....if you have installed any new hardware ,software etc etc. Ver : 0.1480 I've tried multiple versions earlier and they did the same. Nope no new hardware or software. Server is the built in one of : irq.mirabilis.com port 4000 > I want this in wav format for STRicq!!! :) Maybe i'll do this:) Plus AmiComSys is great, a lot of people where on the other day, look out for me if you use it, AIOEditor Regards -- Chris Seward - Editor, Amiga Information Online *URL* : http://www.aio.co.uk / *Email* : chris@aio.co.uk Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- GET WHAT YOU DESERVE! A NextCard Platinum VISA: DOUBLE Rewards points, NO annual fee & rates as low as 9.9 percent FIXED APR. Apply online today! Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From amiga@thefree.net Fri Sep 03 23:59:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.135.253]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA19283 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 23:09:40 +0100 Received: (qmail 17540 invoked by alias); 3 Sep 1999 23:07:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 17523 invoked from network); 3 Sep 1999 23:07:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fdn.co.uk) (195.34.192.6) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 1999 23:07:26 -0000 Received: from thefree.net [195.34.195.117] by fdn.co.uk (SMTPD32-4.07) id A6DF5A1601AE; Fri, 03 Sep 1999 23:08:31 +0000 From: Chris Seward To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 23:59:18 +0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Off Topic : T-Shirt printing? (UK) X-UIDL: 428f64cf0da6eae0de9ee75e296c28fb From: Chris Seward Hi, This is not really to do with the Amiga, well it is sort of but not directly. Does anyone know of an T-Shirt printers who will maybe do small amounts of prints, good quality at a cheap price. Or does anyone know of any T-Shirt printers that are good :)? In the UK that is! Toodle Pip! -- Chris Seward - Editor, Amiga Information Online *URL* : http://www.aio.co.uk / *Email* : chris@aio.co.uk Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- How do you enter ONElist's WEEKLY DRAWING for $100? By joining the FRIENDS & FAMILY program. For details, go to Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From dharelle@mpx.com.au Sat Sep 04 01:11:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.211]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA20084 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 01:13:25 +0100 Received: (qmail 9967 invoked by alias); 4 Sep 1999 01:12:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 9961 invoked from network); 4 Sep 1999 01:12:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailarray.mpx.com.au) (203.29.192.90) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 1999 01:12:22 -0000 Received: from mpx.com.au(really [198.142.180.22]) by mailarray.mpx.com.au via smtpd with smtp id for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 11:11:43 +1000 (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.13.Y2K #30.35 built 1-mar-01) From: Dominique Harelle To: Just Amiga ML Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 11:11:42 +1000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [060] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch Organization: Doms' Computer Systems (DCS) Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] IBrowse 2.1 released X-UIDL: a95acbc462b03111d5737d4c591ff403 From: Dominique Harelle HiSoft have released IBrowse 2.1 See ya later, Dom... -- Dominique Harelle - http://www.mpx.com.au/~dharelle/index.html E-Mail : /dharelle@excite.com/ (/dharelle@mpx.com.au/) ICQ Number - /17907440/ A2000/060-60, 130meg RAM, 7Gig HD's, 2 x 24x CD's, 56k Modem, PicassoIV + Picasso96, Zip Drive, IOBlix i/o Board, 3x HD FDD, Epson GT-8500 Scaner, BJC-620 Printer, Catweasel Z2 Member of Team *AMIGA* --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- ONElist now has T-SHIRTS! For details and to order, go to: Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From colstv@hotkey.net.au Sat Sep 04 05:48:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.233]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA21427 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 05:48:46 +0100 Received: (qmail 833 invoked by alias); 4 Sep 1999 05:47:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 787 invoked from network); 4 Sep 1999 05:47:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au) (203.58.52.2) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 1999 05:47:02 -0000 Received: from hotkey.net.au (maroochydore-as-dial-30.qld.hotkey.net.au [203.58.52.33]) by maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA13692 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 15:46:59 +1000 (EST) From: Colin Wenzel To: Dominique Harelle Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 15:48:38 +1000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: [just-amiga] IBrowse 2.1 released X-UIDL: ad3ccfc193229d5cbe5f3d3cc1d978b4 From: Colin Wenzel On 04-Sep-99, Dominique Harelle wrote: >From: Dominique Harelle >HiSoft have released IBrowse 2.1 >See ya later, >Dom... Thanks Dom, just downloaded it... ---------------------------------------------------- Colin Wenzel. Queensland, Australia. EMAIL: colstv@hotkey.net.au URL: http://www.hotkey.net.au/~colstv/ 'AMIGA' 4000T With CS-III 68060 / 50Mhz 150Mb RAM. ---------------------------------------------------- --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- ONElist: your connection to online communities. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From ralph@twiss.u-net.com Sat Sep 04 10:11:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.249]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA23325 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 10:13:12 +0100 Received: (qmail 32549 invoked by alias); 4 Sep 1999 10:11:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 32541 invoked from network); 4 Sep 1999 10:11:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO serv1.is1.u-net.net) (195.102.240.129) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 1999 10:11:33 -0000 Received: from [195.102.200.165] (helo=u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for just-amiga@onelist.com id 11NCgo-0003b9-00; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 10:04:55 +0000 From: Ralph To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 11:11:17 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0Preview7 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Off Topic : T-Shirt printing? (UK) X-UIDL: 0bc3049752612be2d691d72dbb321d59 From: Ralph Hello Chris On 04-Sep-99, you wrote: > From: Chris Seward > > Hi, > > This is not really to do with the Amiga, well it is sort of but not > directly. > > Does anyone know of an T-Shirt printers who will maybe do small > amounts of prints, good quality at a cheap price. > > Or does anyone know of any T-Shirt printers that are good :)? If it is only small amounts _and_ it is on white shirts then think of doing it your self . It's not difficult Ralph --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Start a new ONElist list & you can WIN great prizes! 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For full story and to submit yours, go to Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From amiga@thefree.net Sat Sep 04 11:51:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.223]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA24090 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 11:41:17 +0100 Received: (qmail 32508 invoked by alias); 4 Sep 1999 11:39:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 32487 invoked from network); 4 Sep 1999 11:39:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fdn.co.uk) (195.34.192.6) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 1999 11:39:54 -0000 Received: from thefree.net [195.34.195.167] by fdn.co.uk (SMTPD32-4.07) id A70832AB029C; Sat, 04 Sep 1999 11:40:08 +0000 From: Chris Seward To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 11:51:21 +0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] [digital-images-news] Digital Images Update (fwd) X-UIDL: 07671e371680b37c196917c76a269109 From: Chris Seward Hi All, It seems Digital Images have back out the door. I am slightly annoyed by this because yet we have see nothing from them either but promisses and now they act as if they saved the Amiga in the first place. Surely they should test the water before backing out, no? *** FORWARDED MESSAGE *** Original author: Stuart Walker Written on: 03-Sep-99 *** Beginning of forwarded message *** To Amiga users worldwide, Due to recent announcements and problems with Amiga, Digital Images regrets that we will be suspending all AmigaMCC projects including Sabrina Offline. Space Station 3000 and Wipeout 2097 will be released as planned, but we will be suspending all other Amiga developments until further notice. Everyone behind Digital Images has enthusiastically supported the Amiga through the good times and the bad times. But with the recent troubles with Amiga, the entire team has unanimously decided to suspend all Amiga developments (with the exception of Space Station 3000 and Wipeout 2097). We regret to have to take these measures, but Digital Images cannot afford to spend time, resources and money developing for a computer which now, as it seems may never appear. We hope that everybody reading this understands our position as this is the last thing that any of us would ever have wanted to do, but Amiga have made promise after promise that something would appear, but it has not. We deeply regret this decision, but it is a final measure that has to be taken. We wish that we wouldn't have to go this far, but we now have no other option - it is the last thing that any of us wanted to do. We would appreciate it if everybody understood our position and wouldn't send e-mails of anger and abuse. We have done everything in our power to avoid this, but it just isn't possible. If the Amiga does indeed rise again, which we hope it does, we will return. We hope that you will enjoy our upcoming releases of Space Station 3000 and Wipeout 2097. If you do have any questions or queries concerning this announcement, please e-mail info@digital-images.demon.co.uk We thank you all once again for your loyal and devoted support. Kind Regards, Stuart Walker Digital Images ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Was the salesman clueless? Productopia has the answers. http://clickhere.egroups.com/click/555 eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/digital-images-news http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications *** End of forwarded message *** Toodle Pip! -- Chris Seward - Editor, Amiga Information Online *URL* : http://www.aio.co.uk / *Email* : chris@aio.co.uk Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- ONElist: the best place to EXPLORE topics, SHARE ideas, and CONNECT to people with the same interests. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From amiga@thefree.net Sat Sep 04 12:08:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.223]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA24094 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 11:41:38 +0100 Received: (qmail 179 invoked by alias); 4 Sep 1999 11:40:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 132 invoked from network); 4 Sep 1999 11:40:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fdn.co.uk) (195.34.192.6) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 1999 11:40:13 -0000 Received: from thefree.net [195.34.195.167] by fdn.co.uk (SMTPD32-4.07) id A71C32AB029C; Sat, 04 Sep 1999 11:40:28 +0000 From: Chris Seward To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 12:08:53 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1381.914T2519T13424799oliver.roberts@iname.com> X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: [just-amiga] Digital Camera as a Webcam? X-UIDL: d0cc7a5b85b508899c217a0bb274d7c6 From: Chris Seward Oliver, On 02-Sep-99, you wrote: > Well - if the software you use with the camera supports ARexx, it > is relatively to knock up a short script to act as a webcam - i.e. Thanks for your help! And thanks to Andrew Crowe who told me the complete opposite :) Regards -- Chris Seward - Editor, Amiga Information Online *URL* : http://www.aio.co.uk / *Email* : chris@aio.co.uk Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- ATTENTION ONElist MEMBERS! Are you getting your ONElist news? If not, join our MEMBER NEWSLETTER here: Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From ja-list@tkgbbs.freeserve.co.uk Fri Sep 03 11:00:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.243]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA26509 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 17:02:10 +0100 Received: (qmail 3792 invoked by alias); 4 Sep 1999 17:00:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 3774 invoked from network); 4 Sep 1999 17:00:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail10.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.214) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 1999 17:00:37 -0000 Received: from modem-92.taxol.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.88.92] helo=tkgbbs.freeserve.co.uk) by mail10.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11NJAy-0002Cf-00 for just-amiga@onelist.com; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 18:00:29 +0100 Received: by tkgbbs.freeserve.co.uk.praseodymium.dialup.pol.co.uk (Amiga SMTPpost 1.04 December 9, 1994) id AA01; Fri, 3 Sep 99 19:02:42 From: ja-list@tkgbbs.freeserve.co.uk Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 11:00:00 GMT Organization: Zeus Developments http://www.bleach.demon.co.uk/ Message-Id: <37D06FB1.B83@tkgbbs.freeserve.co.uk> X-MailReader: Zeus BBS v1.2 #3E9 To: just-amiga@onelist.com Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [just-amiga] Digital Camera as a Webcam? X-UIDL: 2de99873844f401d77176877a76982b9 From: ja-list@tkgbbs.freeserve.co.uk On Thursday September 02 1999, Chris Seward said to All: CS> Does anyone know if its possible to use a Digital Camera as a webcam Should be possible - I'm sure the camera software has ARexx so you can take and pull in an image when you want one. Of course, it also depends how long it takes to download images from the camera.. CS> and if it is then I guess you'd need an extra serial port in the CS> blanking plate space, ie, one for your internet connection and the CS> other to transfer the pictures. Erm.. If you connect via modem on the same machine, you would need two serial ports. It really doesn't matter where the second port is ;-) CS> Is there any Amiga webcam software out there that can do this type of CS> thing? You really don't need any dedicated web cam software. All you'd be doing is updating a file every so often. -- Neil Williams, Wrexham, Wales mailto:neil@aio.co.uk ICQ:18223711 SlamMail & Zeus BBS Developer/TKG SysOp/RC5 Amiga Team/AIO News Editor Zeus Developments - http://www.bleach.demon.co.uk/zeus/ --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Create a list for FRIENDS & FAMILY... ...and YOU can WIN $100 to Amazon.com. For details, go to Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From jyork@voyager.net Sun Sep 05 17:33:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.221]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA03077 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 16:37:02 +0100 Received: (qmail 17212 invoked by alias); 5 Sep 1999 16:35:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 17207 invoked from network); 5 Sep 1999 16:35:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail2.voyager.net) (209.153.128.77) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 1999 16:35:48 -0000 Received: from voyager.net (root@as3-dial76.pntc.mi.voyager.net [209.153.137.204]) by mail2.voyager.net (8.9.1/Voyager-MailX) with SMTP id MAA19709 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 12:39:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Jack York To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 12:33:37 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [020] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Off Topic : T-Shirt printing? (UK) X-UIDL: 0890a0f6a0eb7294049099ad6be209bb From: Jack York Hello Ralph On 04-Sep-99, Ralph wrote: > From: Ralph > > Hello Chris > > On 04-Sep-99, you wrote: > >> From: Chris Seward >> >> Hi, >> >> This is not really to do with the Amiga, well it is sort of but not >> directly. >> >> Does anyone know of an T-Shirt printers who will maybe do small >> amounts of prints, good quality at a cheap price. >> >> Or does anyone know of any T-Shirt printers that are good :)? > > If it is only small amounts _and_ it is on white shirts then think of > doing it your self . It's not difficult PMFJI but I have been trying to accomplish this. It would seem all I need to do it to be able to print in reverse but I don't see how to do this. I have TurboPrint but don't see an option for this. Can you explain to me what I am missing? Jack --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- ONElist now has T-SHIRTS! For details and to order, go to: Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From ianurie@jwu.u-net.com Sun Sep 05 19:26:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.135.253]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA04842 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 19:57:41 +0100 Received: (qmail 9911 invoked by alias); 5 Sep 1999 19:55:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 9869 invoked from network); 5 Sep 1999 19:55:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mserv1a.u-net.net) (195.102.240.34) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 1999 19:55:31 -0000 Received: from [195.102.201.215] (helo=p87.nas4.is5.u-net.net) by mserv1a.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #61) id 11NiPF-0004c5-00 for just-amiga@onelist.com; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 20:56:53 +0100 Date: 05 Sep 99 14:26:42 -0500 From: "Ian Urie" To: "Chris Seward" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <972.917T2139T8665962ianurie@jwu.u-net.com> Organization: At Home X-Installer: Wirenet 1.8 X-Mailer: THOR 2.6 (Amiga;TCP/IP) Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [just-amiga] StrICQ problem X-UIDL: 112a161af35e2c307f5fa8f4aa1b5f34 From: "Ian Urie" On 03-Sep-99 18:57:50, Chris Seward said about Re: [just-amiga] StrICQ problem: >> Try changing servers....telling us the version number.....if it worked >> before....if you have installed any new hardware ,software etc etc. > Ver : 0.1480 I'm using 0.1408 which was the last version (from then on they are betas with the chat function disabled) > I've tried multiple versions earlier and they did the same. Nope > no new hardware or software. > Server is the built in one of : irq.mirabilis.com port 4000 Same here :) Try changing the servers....just in case >> I want this in wav format for STRicq!!! :) > Maybe i'll do this:) Yeah,why not! > Plus AmiComSys is great, a lot of people where on the other day, > look out for me if you use it, It is good but I haven't seen a lot of people on it -- Ian Urie Uin:19729444 ... Chinese saying: He who speak with forked tongue not need chopsticks --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- ONElist now has T-SHIRTS! For details and to order, go to: Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From ianurie@jwu.u-net.com Sun Sep 05 19:45:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.213]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA04843 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 19:57:41 +0100 Received: (qmail 24626 invoked by alias); 5 Sep 1999 19:55:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 24621 invoked from network); 5 Sep 1999 19:55:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mserv1a.u-net.net) (195.102.240.34) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 1999 19:55:34 -0000 Received: from [195.102.201.215] (helo=p87.nas4.is5.u-net.net) by mserv1a.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #61) id 11NiPG-0004c5-00 for just-amiga@onelist.com; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 20:56:55 +0100 Date: 05 Sep 99 14:45:52 -0500 From: "Ian Urie" To: "Chris Seward" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1682.917T2638T8856229ianurie@jwu.u-net.com> Organization: At Home X-Installer: Wirenet 1.8 X-Mailer: THOR 2.6 (Amiga;TCP/IP) Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [just-amiga] [digital-images-news] Digital Images Update (fwd) X-UIDL: 8e248b391e70f188c1d9dd4f42d0aad8 From: "Ian Urie" On 04-Sep-99 06:51:21, Chris Seward said about [just-amiga] [digital-images-news] Digital Images Update (fwd): > From: Chris Seward > *** FORWARDED MESSAGE *** > Original author: Stuart Walker > Written on: 03-Sep-99 > *** Beginning of forwarded message *** > To Amiga users worldwide, > Due to recent announcements and problems with Amiga, Digital > Images regrets that we will be suspending all AmigaMCC >projects including Sabrina Offline. > Space Station 3000 and Wipeout 2097 will be released as >planned, but we will be suspending all other Amiga developments > until further notice. I must have missed something! What problems with Amiga? A bit more information is required so that I can understand this. Is it because Collas has resigned? A linux kernal? The MCC in the first quarter of 2000? > We regret to have to take these measures, but Digital Images > cannot afford to spend time, resources and money developing >for a computer which now, as it seems may never appear. Again,where has he got this information from? > If the Amiga does indeed rise again, which we hope it does, we will > return. With the development time for a game,unless the game is a world beater, they will be very late to market,lessening their chances of making money! Especially if ,when the new machine arrives,there is a dearth of software for it > We hope that you will enjoy our upcoming releases of Space Station 3000 > and Wipeout 2097. Which have been in development for how long? -- Ian Urie Uin:19729444 Some day my ship will come in, but with my luck, I'll be at the airport. --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- ONElist: your connection to online communities. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From SnorsleX@Home.se Sun Sep 05 20:58:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.207]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA05029 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 20:11:12 +0100 Received: (qmail 28774 invoked by alias); 5 Sep 1999 20:09:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 28767 invoked from network); 5 Sep 1999 20:09:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO home.se) (195.66.45.70) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 1999 20:09:01 -0000 Received: from home.se (Hiya@md4690780.utfors.se [212.105.7.128]) by home.se (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA22682 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 22:09:27 +0200 (CEST) From: Lorens Johansson To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 21:58:33 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <972.917T2139T8665962ianurie@jwu.u-net.com> X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [060] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: StrICQ problem X-UIDL: 7757b3648dde073b2e379ee43406e17b From: Lorens Johansson Hi Ian... >>> Try changing servers....telling us the version number.....if it worked >>> before....if you have installed any new hardware ,software etc etc. > >> Ver : 0.1480 > I'm using 0.1408 which was the last version (from then on they are betas > with the chat function disabled) The latest v is 0.1504, and it has working SINGLE chat!! /Lorens -- Please have a look at my own Amiga programs at: http://snorslex.amiga.tm ICQ UIN: 12464032 WinErr 6fe: System too lame to run the application "netscape.exe". "ie.exe" is already in memory - reverting to that. --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- ONElist: your connection to people who share your interests. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From amiga@thefree.net Sun Sep 05 20:55:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.223]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA05782 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 21:07:26 +0100 Received: (qmail 10976 invoked by alias); 5 Sep 1999 21:06:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 10934 invoked from network); 5 Sep 1999 21:06:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fdn.co.uk) (195.34.192.6) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 1999 21:06:20 -0000 Received: from thefree.net [195.34.200.217] by fdn.co.uk (SMTPD32-4.07) id AD367B200206; Sun, 05 Sep 1999 21:06:14 +0000 From: Chris Seward To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 20:55:40 +0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Amiga show in a central UK location possible? X-UIDL: 4971b000c8c239ca8e47a1f54a7e4add From: Chris Seward Heylo! I was just thinking that for a few years now the main Amiga show of Great Britain has been held in London which may seem like a central place but really is not. London is a complex place with high prices and for some it is too far to travel. The people who ran this years WoA surely covered their expense otherwise they would not have run the show. One major factor of expense to cover is the cost of renting a venue in london which I suppose could be even double or triple the price of a 'hall' or 'area' in another part of the country depending on what size you rent. Then I hear people moan that it is not a good location for them, me included, but nothing is ever done. The people who ran WoA are just normal people like you and me and surely one of us could start planning an Amiga show in a location to be more reasonable to people. Manchester, Liverpool and Birmingham are all major places with many more included so why doesn't someone have an idea to start a show up. I'm sure lots of people will help out and show support, you could even gather interest to see which location will pull the biggest crowds and then go and look for a suitable place to rent with a big enough size to make it a 'real' show. Not just a school sports hall because that screams User groups show, but a professional show like the WoA or as professional as it could be. I'm sure many of you in a small group could form a little team to make something like this and if we throw some ideas around then surely something could get going? Damn it, i'd even help whether I could attend or not just for the fun of things. I could set up a vote page of certain locations to see which place people are most likely to travel to which is easy for them. Come on everyone, does anyone have any ideas on this?! Toodle Pip! -- Chris Seward - Editor, Amiga Information Online *URL* : http://www.aio.co.uk - *Email* : chris@aio.co.uk - *ICQ* : 41724074 Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- ATTENTION ONElist MEMBERS: Get your ONElist news! Join our MEMBER NEWSLETTER here: Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From mickeyc@ukonline.co.uk Sun Sep 05 22:10:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.247]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA06558 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 22:19:46 +0100 Received: (qmail 29083 invoked by alias); 5 Sep 1999 22:18:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 29026 invoked from network); 5 Sep 1999 22:18:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kiwi.mail.easynet.net) (195.40.1.40) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 1999 22:18:04 -0000 Received: from ukonline.co.uk (tnt-10-241.easynet.co.uk [212.134.16.241]) by kiwi.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 93FA4DC29 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 23:18:05 +0100 (BST) From: Mike Cardwell To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 23:10:19 +0100 In-Reply-To: <972.917T2139T8665962ianurie@jwu.u-net.com> Message-Id: <19990905221805.93FA4DC29@kiwi.mail.easynet.net> Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: StrICQ problem X-UIDL: 65e3f5f844269cb314289cd9028640b1 From: Mike Cardwell On 05-Sep-99, Ian Urie wrote about: Subject: Re: [just-amiga] StrICQ problem > I'm using 0.1408 which was the last version (from then on they are > betas with the chat function disabled) The latest betas. ie ones from the last couple of days now have the chat function enabled. Although multichat still isn't supported yet. >> Plus AmiComSys is great, a lot of people where on the other day, >> look out for me if you use it, Is that on the Aminet? I'll have to give it a go sometime. -- Mike Cardwell, Email: mickeyc@ukonline.co.uk UIN: 26909594 ============================================== A1200 Tower, Blizzard 030-50mhz, 16MB Fastram, 540MB HardDisk, 12X CDRom, 56K Dynalink Modem. ============================================== --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- ONElist now has T-SHIRTS! For details and to order, go to: Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From D.Mcminn@eee.rgu.ac.uk Sun Sep 05 22:34:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.135.229]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA06670 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 22:38:36 +0100 Received: (qmail 31303 invoked by alias); 5 Sep 1999 22:36:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 31157 invoked from network); 5 Sep 1999 22:36:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO glayva.eee.rgu.ac.uk) (193.62.34.1) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 1999 22:36:03 -0000 Received: from eee.rgu.ac.uk (ns-eee-1.eee.rgu.ac.uk [193.62.34.252]) by glayva.eee.rgu.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA13195 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 23:35:17 GMT Message-Id: <199909052335.XAA13195@glayva.eee.rgu.ac.uk> Received: from NS-EEE-1/SpoolDir by eee.rgu.ac.uk (Mercury 1.45); 5 Sep 99 23:34:39 +0100 Received: from SpoolDir by NS-EEE-1 (Mercury 1.45); 5 Sep 99 23:34:35 +0100 From: "David McMinn" Organization: The Robert Gordon University, E&EE To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 23:34:34 +0100 Priority: normal References: In-reply-to: <1682.917T2638T8856229ianurie@jwu.u-net.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [just-amiga] [digital-images-news] Digital Images Update (fwd) X-UIDL: 7dfa6deacb044145e78d5c56a42faebe From: "David McMinn" Hi Ian > I must have missed something! What problems with Amiga? > A bit more information is required so that I can understand this. > Is it because Collas has resigned? A linux kernal? The MCC in the > first quarter of 2000? It looks like the new Amiga will be nothing more than an interactive TV set, if the patents are anything to go by. Collas resigning (and McEwan's contract not being renewed, and the total silence) has made everything a bit unclear. > > If the Amiga does indeed rise again, which we hope it does, we will > > return. > With the development time for a game,unless the game is a world beater, > they will be very late to market,lessening their chances of making money! > Especially if ,when the new machine arrives,there is a dearth of software > for it > We hope that you will enjoy our upcoming releases of Space > Station 3000 > and Wipeout 2097. Which have been in development for how > long? Its funny that they said SS3000 (which I want to see) was finished a few months ago, and now they've said that they've put it back a couple of months - their site says its only 40% complete now? Whats going on?? And whats going to happen to that Sabrina game they were going to do? I thought they'd already signed the rights for it (costing them money in the process)? -- |) /\ \/ ][ |) |\/| © |\/| ][ |\| |\| dmcminn@house-of-mojo.freeserve.co.uk http://members.xoom.com/David_McMinn ICQ=16827694 You cannot really appreciate Dilbert unless you've read it in the original Klingon. --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- ATTENTION ONElist MEMBERS: Get your ONElist news! Join our MEMBER NEWSLETTER here: Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From amiscorp@earthlink.net Mon Sep 06 04:10:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.213]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA08565 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 04:12:23 +0100 Received: (qmail 6995 invoked by alias); 6 Sep 1999 04:10:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 6988 invoked from network); 6 Sep 1999 04:10:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.22) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 1999 04:10:44 -0000 Received: from earthlink.net (1Cust15.tnt1.london.ky.da.uu.net [208.250.93.15]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA22956 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 21:10:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "Marion E. Wyatt" To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 00:10:43 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [060] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: StrICQ problem X-UIDL: c206b4079cc6efde61f0e04e54ef98b0 From: "Marion E. Wyatt" On 05-Sep-99 at 16:58:33, Lorens Johansson wrote these words of wisdom: > From: Lorens Johansson > Hi Ian... > >>>> Try changing servers....telling us the version number.....if it worked >>>> before....if you have installed any new hardware ,software etc etc. >> >>> Ver : 0.1480 >> I'm using 0.1408 which was the last version (from then on they are betas >> with the chat function disabled) > > The latest v is 0.1504, and it has working SINGLE chat!! Yeppers:) In fact, working 2-way chat (single) has been working since 0.1493 (at least) from my personal experience :) Multichat is partially functional too. For example a 3rd person can enter the chat but you get a second chat window with them, they can see you in their single window, but you must type to each of them seperately as if in 2-way chat. It's odd but it works if you really want to try it and have plenty of screen real estate. The new chat windows are quite large unless you set the toolbar.mcc prefs for STRICQ to images only. -- Marion E. Wyatt AMIGA3000 CSPPC/233+060/50 CV64/3D OS3.1 138MB 1GB ZIP100 amiscorp@earthlink.net Support commercial Only AMIGA Makes It Possible! / // / and shareware progs AMIGA * Back For The FUTURE Member __ __ / // / Dare To Dream AMIGA! of \ \\ \/ // / * A M I G A I N T E R N A T I O N A L I N C * Team AMIGA\ \\/ // / and * * A M I G A * * \_/_//_/ My homepage * http://home.earthlink.net/~amiscorp Amiga Connexion * http://home.earthlink.net/~amiscorp/AmigaConnexion.html* --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- ONElist members: don't miss out on the latest news at ONElist Join our community member news update at Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From tim@ramjam.u-net.com Mon Sep 06 12:38:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.159]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA13266 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 11:40:31 +0100 Received: (qmail 4973 invoked by alias); 6 Sep 1999 11:38:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 4958 invoked from network); 6 Sep 1999 11:38:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mserv1c.u-net.net) (195.102.240.33) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 1999 11:38:37 -0000 Received: from ramjam.u-net.com ([194.119.178.106]) by mserv1c.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #34) id 11Nxzx-0005xH-00 for just-amiga@onelist.com; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 12:35:49 +0000 From: tim@ramjam.u-net.com (Tim Corringham) X-SMTP-Client: Amiga SMTPclient 0.1 by Ramjam Consultants Ltd. Date: Mon, 06 Sep 99 12:38:50 To: just-amiga@onelist.com In-Reply-To: (from just-amiga@onelist.com) (on Sun, 05 Sep 99 20:55:40) Lines: 53 X-Mailer: ADMail 1.7 Copyright 1995 S.T.Brown Message-Id: Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [just-amiga] Amiga show in a central UK location possible? X-UIDL: 8ddbe6a5b428825e4796358822041c2d From: tim@ramjam.u-net.com (Tim Corringham) Hi Chris > > Then I hear people moan that it is not a good location for them, me > included, but nothing is ever done. The people who ran WoA are > just normal people like you and me and surely one of us could > start planning an Amiga show in a location to be more reasonable > to people. I suggest you talk to AmigaSoc - who did much of the organisation for this year's WoA. I believe that they already have some plans to move from London. They have gained a lot of experience from this year's show, and I'm sure the next one they organise will be even better. > > Manchester, Liverpool and Birmingham are all major places with > many more included so why doesn't someone have an idea to > start a show up. I'm sure lots of people will help out and show > support, you could even gather interest to see which location > will pull the biggest crowds and then go and look for a suitable > place to rent with a big enough size to make it a 'real' show. Not > just a school sports hall because that screams User groups > show, but a professional show like the WoA or as professional > as it could be. Next year's WoA will either be too large for amateurs to arrange, or too small for even a school sports hall. It all depends on what happens at Amiga now Jim has gone. > > I'm sure many of you in a small group could form a little team to > make something like this and if we throw some ideas around then > surely something could get going? If you could raise about 20,000 pounds to pay for all the things that need arranging before the show, I'm sure that would help a lot... > Damn it, i'd even help whether I could attend or not just for the > fun of things. > > I could set up a vote page of certain locations to see which > place people are most likely to travel to which is easy for them. I don't think this is a good idea. WoA location has been discussed to death on other mail lists, and at the end of the day people's preferences don't usually match commercial realities. Tim -- ====================================================================== Tim Corringham e-mail: tim@ramjam.u-net.com Ramjam Consultants Ltd tel: +44 (0)118 946 5940 Reading, England fax: +44 (0)118 946 5941 --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- ATTN ONELIST USERS: stay current on the latest activities, programs, & features at ONElist by joining our member newsletter at Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From wmaddock@icon-stl.net Mon Sep 06 13:12:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.209]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA13894 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 12:39:04 +0100 Received: (qmail 19471 invoked by alias); 6 Sep 1999 12:37:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 19423 invoked from network); 6 Sep 1999 12:37:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO icon-stl.net) (199.217.153.1) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 1999 12:37:09 -0000 Received: from icon-12.icon-stl.net (wmaddock@icon-12.icon-stl.net [199.217.231.12]) by icon-stl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA21332 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 07:37:29 -0500 (CDT) Date: 06 Sep 99 07:12:53 -0600 From: "William F. Maddock" To: "Jack York" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1474.918T2661T4325058wmaddock@icon-stl.net> X-Mailer: THOR 2.6 (Amiga;TCP/IP) Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [just-amiga] Re: Off Topic : T-Shirt printing? (UK) X-UIDL: 936955eddc16b67a9d41572ffd609bb4 From: "William F. Maddock" On 05-Sep-99 11:33:37 jyork@voyager.net Jack York wrote: >From: Jack York >Hello Ralph >On 04-Sep-99, Ralph wrote: >> From: Ralph >> >> Hello Chris >> >> On 04-Sep-99, you wrote: >> >>> From: Chris Seward >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> This is not really to do with the Amiga, well it is sort of but not >>> directly. >>> >>> Does anyone know of an T-Shirt printers who will maybe do small >>> amounts of prints, good quality at a cheap price. >>> >>> Or does anyone know of any T-Shirt printers that are good :)? >> >> If it is only small amounts _and_ it is on white shirts then think of >> doing it your self . It's not difficult >PMFJI but I have been trying to accomplish this. It would seem all >I need to do it to be able to print in reverse but I don't see how >to do this. I have TurboPrint but don't see an option for this. >Can you explain to me what I am missing? Do you have PageStream3.x? If so, all you need do is to flip the object(s) horizontally on the page, then print. -- William F. Maddock ICQ:14668944 http://www.icon-stl.net/~wmaddock Time: 6-Sep-99 07:11:15 CDT Jesus Saves mailto:wmaddock@icon-stl.net St. Louis, Missouri, USA ftp://ftp.icon-stl.net/users/wmaddock Team AMIGA Written using THOR 2.6 Registered User Number 1621 -- 2 Chronicles 6:11 There I have placed the ark, in which is the covenant of the LORD that he made with the people of Israel." --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- ONElist members: don't miss out on the latest news at ONElist Join our community member news update at Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From jyork@voyager.net Mon Sep 06 14:40:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.207]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA14768 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 13:43:48 +0100 Received: (qmail 19058 invoked by alias); 6 Sep 1999 13:41:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 19053 invoked from network); 6 Sep 1999 13:41:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail2.voyager.net) (209.153.128.77) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 1999 13:41:50 -0000 Received: from voyager.net (root@as2-dial99.pntc.mi.voyager.net [209.153.138.227]) by mail2.voyager.net (8.9.1/Voyager-MailX) with SMTP id JAA18452 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 09:46:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Jack York To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 09:40:24 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1474.918T2661T4325058wmaddock@icon-stl.net> X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [020] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Off Topic : T-Shirt printing? (UK) X-UIDL: bf20df0c7c4294094b07e24a5743ef10 From: Jack York Hello William On 06-Sep-99, William F. Maddock wrote: >>> >>> If it is only small amounts _and_ it is on white shirts then think of >>> doing it your self . It's not difficult > >> PMFJI but I have been trying to accomplish this. It would seem all >> I need to do it to be able to print in reverse but I don't see how >> to do this. I have TurboPrint but don't see an option for this. >> Can you explain to me what I am missing? > > Do you have PageStream3.x? If so, all you need do is to flip the > object(s) horizontally on the page, then print. Yes I do but unfortunately the things I want to print were generated by ImageFX and PageStream won't load them. Jack --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- ATTN ONELIST USERS: stay current on the latest activities, programs, & features at ONElist by joining our member newsletter at Click ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From alden1@airmail.net Mon Sep 06 14:04:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.229]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA15046 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:06:28 +0100 Received: (qmail 7023 invoked by alias); 6 Sep 1999 14:05:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 6998 invoked from network); 6 Sep 1999 14:05:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.airmail.net) (206.66.12.40) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 1999 14:05:07 -0000 Received: from airmail.net from [207.136.16.74] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.405) with smtp for sender: id ; Mon, 6 Sep 99 09:04:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Jon Peterson To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 09:04:33 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [060] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Off Topic : T-Shirt printing? (UK) X-UIDL: 576ebb72662e5a31607ad619b2fe3dea From: Jon Peterson Hello Jack On 06-Sep-99, you wrote: > From: Jack York > Hello William > On 06-Sep-99, William F. Maddock wrote: >>>> >>>> If it is only small amounts _and_ it is on white shirts then think of >>>> doing it your self . It's not difficult >> >>> PMFJI but I have been trying to accomplish this. It would seem all >>> I need to do it to be able to print in reverse but I don't see how >>> to do this. I have TurboPrint but don't see an option for this. >>> Can you explain to me what I am missing? >> >> Do you have PageStream3.x? If so, all you need do is to flip the >> object(s) horizontally on the page, then print. > > Yes I do but unfortunately the things I want to print were generated > by ImageFX and PageStream won't load them. Jack, I am sure ImageFX has the ability to mirror and image. There are a number of other GRFX programs that do this with images. Also, PgS prints all my pics from ImageFX and every other graphics program I can find. Exactly what format are the pics in? Regards --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- ATTN ONELIST USERS: stay current on the latest activities, programs, & features at ONElist by joining our member newsletter at Click ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From ralph@twiss.u-net.com Mon Sep 06 19:15:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.249]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA20267 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 20:23:08 +0100 Received: (qmail 19021 invoked by alias); 6 Sep 1999 20:21:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 18993 invoked from network); 6 Sep 1999 20:21:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO serv1.is1.u-net.net) (195.102.240.129) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 6 Sep 1999 20:21:24 -0000 Received: from [195.102.200.155] (helo=u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for just-amiga@onelist.com id 11O5A1-0002vv-00; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 20:14:42 +0000 From: Ralph To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 20:15:08 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0Preview7 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Off Topic : T-Shirt printing? (UK) X-UIDL: 6dd5403e055ee4d54ff2b885fbaa3469 From: Ralph Hello Jack On 05-Sep-99, you wrote: snip--> >>> Does anyone know of an T-Shirt printers who will maybe do small >>> amounts of prints, good quality at a cheap price. >>> >>> Or does anyone know of any T-Shirt printers that are good :)? >> >> If it is only small amounts _and_ it is on white shirts then think of >> doing it your self . It's not difficult > > PMFJI but I have been trying to accomplish this. It would seem all > I need to do it to be able to print in reverse but I don't see how > to do this. I have TurboPrint but don't see an option for this. > Can you explain to me what I am missing? If you go to Turbo print prefs then to the graphics page / section , you will see in the bottom right a tick box for negative & mirror . The mirror is the one you are looking for . You can get some good results , but remember to use white or pale tee shirts . Ralph --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- ONElist: your connection to people who share your interests. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From tony@merlin.net.au Wed Sep 08 01:58:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.235]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA10323 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 03:36:54 +0100 Received: (qmail 7078 invoked by alias); 8 Sep 1999 03:34:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 7024 invoked from network); 8 Sep 1999 03:34:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO arthur.merlin.net.au) (203.20.229.1) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 1999 03:34:54 -0000 Received: from .merlin.net.au (tony@ppp23a.merlin.net.au [203.20.229.135]) by arthur.merlin.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA18432 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 12:59:19 +0930 From: "Tony P. Parr" To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 12:58:41 +1100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [020] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] T-Shirt printing thread X-UIDL: 097d2d369f1c8e872280cb86fcf6c449 From: "Tony P. Parr" Greetings All... Recently various people asked and answered about T-Shirt printing. I offer the following limited information, based on my own experience: Original from Chris Seward > Does anyone know of an T-Shirt printers who will maybe do small > amounts of prints, good quality at a cheap price. > > Or does anyone know of any T-Shirt printers that are good :)? My answer (previously sent privately) I own a Canon and have access to an HP_Deskjet and Epson Stylus Color IIs and there are kits including TShirt transfer sheets etc., available that work on all the above. I have not used them for a while and going from memory, you print the horizontally flipped image (or whatever) on the special sheet, then iron on to TShirt. Of course if there's no text, there's no need to flip. Once again from memory, I think there was a special ink cartridge too. They worked a treat on the 3 or 4 TShirts I did some years ago. The only one I see now is about 3 years old and unless my Son is very grubby, it has been washed (as per directions in the kit) many times with only minor fading. > Thanks for your help. I may look into this, although I only own an > old Star LC200 which is not up to the job. It would probably be > cheaper for me just to find a place that could print the t-shirts. If you follow this route, I think you will have to save your image as an color separated image on to a PC or MAC formatted disk. Printing outlets don't seem to have heard of the Amiga (uninformed, benighted people), and won't be able to load the image. A lot more work for the desired result. > But thanks again, I may have a go when I get a new printer! Do not even attempt using a dot-matrix (pin) printer. The results are, to say the least, 'orrible. Here in OZ, for example, one can buy the cheapest Canon bubble-jet for as low as $A139, complete with bi-directional cable, and software (unfortunately PC oriented). I'm on a low, fixed income and even I can afford one. 8-) __________________________________________________________________________ > Do you have PageStream3.x? If so, all you need do is to flip the > object(s) horizontally on the page, then print. >> Yes I do but unfortunately the things I want to print were generated >> by ImageFX and PageStream won't load them. Why anyone would use PageStream as their printing program of choice is beyond me. Why not load the image and print direct from the art program to the TShirt printing media? (As an aside, why anyone would use PageStream, period !!) Please, no endless mails informing me of the error of my ways and I don't know what I'm talking about. 8^Q >>> Jack, I am sure ImageFX has the ability to mirror and image. There >>> are a number of other GRFX programs that do this with images. Also, >>> PgS prints all my pics from ImageFX and every other graphics program >>> I can find. Exactly what format are the pics in? ImageFX can load/save in many formats including: BMP, ILBM, GIF, JPEG, PCX and 8 or 24 bit and a plethora of others. __________________________________________________________________________ > It would seem all I need to do it to be able to print in reverse but > I don't see how to do this. I have TurboPrint but don't see an option > for this. Can you explain to me what I am missing? >> If you go to Turbo print prefs then to the graphics page / section, >> you will see in the bottom right a tick box for negative & mirror. >> >> The mirror is the one you are looking for. Correct re: mirroring in TurboPRINT, but, unless you're printing text, why would you want to flip the image, unless you wanted a highlight printed on a particular side... (read as "overly fussy") 8-) The vast majority of drawing programs on the Amiga will flip images. >> You can get some good results, but remember to use white or pale tee >> shirts. Not necessary. Choose/change the colours in your image with care and you can save your image for printing on any coloured material. I printed all my attempts on black. Don't forget, you're not printing direct to TShirt, but to special media that you iron-on to the material later. TIP: the background colour of your image must be the transparent colour in whatever program you use to draw/alter/save the image. __________________________________________________________________________ FYI... PhotoGenics loads/saves in many formats and can flip images in any direction and can do some fantastic image manipulation. PersonalPaint will do most things asked of a GFX program. Very powerful. Below is an overview of THE proggie for converting GFX formats and it does much, much more. This is what GfxLab24 is capable of, very impressive, I'm sure you'll agree: GfxLab24 OverView ----------------- GfxLab24 is a 24-bit and bitmap image processing program. It runs under AmigaOS 3.0 or higher. Here are some of its features: - Loading : - IFF24 - IFF 2 & 8 - HAM6 - HAM8 - JPEG - TARGA - PNG (bitmap & RGB) - Any picture DataType (GIF, BMP, PCX,... etc.) - Saving : - IFF24 - IFF 2-8bit, HAM6, HAM8 - GIF (specs GIF87a et GIF89a) - Jfif (JPEG) - TARGA. - PCX - PNG (bitmap & RGB) - Display the picture from 2 to 8 bitplanes + HAM6/8, with or without a fixed palette (13 halftoning/error diffusion modes). - Fast previewing window. Operators are applied in REAL TIME ! - 24 processing operators: - Colour To Gray - Mask Filter - Brightness - Scale (reduction/enlargement by % or with height/width in pixels) - Crop - Emboss - Sketch - Negative (on any of the three RGB componants) - Rotate - Bicolor (Turn picture to black and white. 9 halftones.) - Flip (horizontal or vertical) - Visual Aspect (modify the display and pixels ratios) - Quake (horizontally or vertically) - Disperse pixel (setting the radius and the probability) - Convolve (Applying/Editing/loading/saving matrices library of convolution) - Remove isolated pixel - Quantize palette (Quantizing/loading/saving palette) - Balance filter (modify gamma,sin,brightness,contrast) - Fade (fading between two pictures) - Whirl - Brush copy (with transparent color) - Text - Noise (white or coloured) - Mosaic - Built-in Virtual Memory management, available on ANY Amiga computer, even WITHOUT MMU, and fully adjustable. - Intuition 3.0 interface, and preference management. - ARexx Port allowing automatic processing. Some ARexx scripts are provided as example. - Best of all, GfxLab24 is FREEWARE !! There is also a neat little proggie called Transition which does single or batch conversions of image file formats. Hope this is of some help to those budding Warhols, Turners or Picassos. Cop 'U Later... Tiny ----- */Philosopical persiflage:/* -------- ------- ------ ----- ---- --- -- - Micros..t Windows98 = Amiga Workbench89 - almost. -- Anon *Tony P. Parr - ( aka /ToPPer/ )* *AMIGA FOREVER - FOREVER AMIGA* --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- ONElist: your connection to online communities. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From ralph@twiss.u-net.com Wed Sep 08 11:06:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.211]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA15062 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 11:08:38 +0100 Received: (qmail 3480 invoked by alias); 8 Sep 1999 11:07:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 3465 invoked from network); 8 Sep 1999 11:07:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO serv1.is1.u-net.net) (195.102.240.129) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 1999 11:07:12 -0000 Received: from [195.102.201.198] (helo=u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for just-amiga@onelist.com id 11OfSX-0003oG-00; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 11:00:14 +0000 From: Ralph To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 12:06:29 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0Preview7 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Amiga show in a central UK location possible? X-UIDL: d4bb2944837b1aa5f428ca2c764e6db2 From: Ralph Hello Chris On 05-Sep-99, you wrote: > From: Chris Seward > > Heylo! > > I was just thinking that for a few years now the main Amiga show of > Great Britain has been held in London which may seem like a central > place but really is not. London is a complex place with high prices > and for some it is too far to travel. > > The people who ran this years WoA surely covered their expense > otherwise they would not have run the show. One major factor of > expense to cover is the cost of renting a venue in london which > I suppose could be even double or triple the price of a 'hall' or > 'area' in another part of the country depending on what size > you rent. Several of the major exhibitors did not like the venue for many diffrent financial reasons , A letter from one of them was posted on the cu-list a while back ( I will try to find it in the archives) > > Then I hear people moan that it is not a good location for them, me > included, but nothing is ever done. The people who ran WoA are > just normal people like you and me and surely one of us could > start planning an Amiga show in a location to be more reasonable > to people. > There is alot more to organising a show of that size than you think . snip--> My own gripe was spending £ 80 + on train fairs and carrying large boxes back on the train or Car petrol costs for around trip of 400+ miles and rooms £150 + That would cancell out any savings on hardware bought :-( Savings on new gear is prob one of the main reasons for going . We concided a stand for our user group but it would have cost us £ 300 for travel & accom & food & drink for just two of us . 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For details and to order, go to: Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From ralph@twiss.u-net.com Wed Sep 08 10:50:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.237]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA15066 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 11:08:40 +0100 Received: (qmail 8088 invoked by alias); 8 Sep 1999 11:07:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 8083 invoked from network); 8 Sep 1999 11:07:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO serv1.is1.u-net.net) (195.102.240.129) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 1999 11:07:01 -0000 Received: from [195.102.201.198] (helo=u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for just-amiga@onelist.com id 11OfSa-0003oG-00; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 11:00:16 +0000 From: Ralph To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 11:50:44 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0Preview7 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: T-Shirt printing thread X-UIDL: 8cb2afa4987b1479c4601140d2bf7bab From: Ralph Hello all snipped from various peps.--> > >> Does anyone know of an T-Shirt printers who will maybe do small >> amounts of prints, good quality at a cheap price. >> >> Or does anyone know of any T-Shirt printers that are good :)? snip--> > I own a Canon and have access to an HP_Deskjet and Epson Stylus Color IIs > and there are kits including TShirt transfer sheets etc., available that > work on all the above. > > I have not used them for a while and going from memory, you print the > horizontally flipped image (or whatever) on the special sheet, then iron > on to TShirt. Of course if there's no text, there's no need to flip. Any one printing through turboprint ( don't we all ?) there is a tick selection for just this option (see below ) > > Once again from memory, I think there was a special ink cartridge too. You don't need special inks for the inkjet papers . > > They worked a treat on the 3 or 4 TShirts I did some years ago. > > The only one I see now is about 3 years old and unless my Son is very > grubby, it has been washed (as per directions in the kit) many times with > only minor fading. > The quality of the sheets is the same as for any paper -- the better quality sheets last longer look better ect. The same applies to the image . Cartoon images can be printed in lower resolutions , a180x180 cartoon we look fine , for photo pics 750x750 is a min. >> Thanks for your help. I may look into this, although I only own an >> old Star LC200 which is not up to the job. It would probably be >> cheaper for me just to find a place that could print the t-shirts. For dot maktrix printers you can get special ribbons , but the quality is not quite as good . > > If you follow this route, I think you will have to save your image as an > color separated image on to a PC or MAC formatted disk. Printing outlets > don't seem to have heard of the Amiga (uninformed, benighted people), and > won't be able to load the image. A lot more work for the desired result. or get an Amiga owning mate with a ink jet to print it . > >> But thanks again, I may have a go when I get a new printer! For 1 or 2 off's I don't mind doing some , mail me private . >> It would seem all I need to do it to be able to print in reverse but >> I don't see how to do this. I have TurboPrint but don't see an option >> for this. Can you explain to me what I am missing? > >>> If you go to Turbo print prefs then to the graphics page / section, >>> you will see in the bottom right a tick box for negative & mirror. >>> >>> The mirror is the one you are looking for. > > Correct re: mirroring in TurboPRINT, but, unless you're printing text, why > would you want to flip the image, unless you wanted a highlight printed on > a particular side... (read as "overly fussy") 8-) :-) yep you are right but even some images need to be mirrored >>> You can get some good results, but remember to use white or pale tee >>> shirts. > > Not necessary. Choose/change the colours in your image with care and you > can save your image for printing on any coloured material. I printed all > my attempts on black. Don't forget, you're not printing direct to TShirt, > but to special media that you iron-on to the material later. There are diffrent types of papers & even special cloth for printing on dark colours you would find it very dificult to print accurate colours on dark shirts with most papers, I would recomend the special cloth for that type of work . > > TIP: the background colour of your image must be the transparent colour in > whatever program you use to draw/alter/save the image. snip wonderful advert for art package --> ;-) Sorry for the long mail , if any one wants any more advice please ask , but quote sparingly please Ralph --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Enter ONElist's Friends & Family Program WIN $100 to Amazon.com! Through Sept. 17. To enter, click here Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From jyork@voyager.net Wed Sep 08 14:32:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.207]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA17144 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 13:36:20 +0100 Received: (qmail 19320 invoked by alias); 8 Sep 1999 13:34:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 19247 invoked from network); 8 Sep 1999 13:34:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail1.voyager.net) (209.153.128.76) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 1999 13:34:22 -0000 Received: from voyager.net (root@as5-dial18.pntc.mi.voyager.net [209.153.137.82]) by mail1.voyager.net (8.9.1/Voyager-MailX) with SMTP id JAA20404 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:42:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Jack York To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 09:32:50 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [020] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Off Topic : T-Shirt printing? (UK) X-UIDL: 81c4ce9256972b478f297d8705d98f43 From: Jack York Hello Jon On 06-Sep-99, Jon Peterson wrote: > Jack, I am sure ImageFX has the ability to mirror and image. There are a > number of other GRFX programs that do this with images. Also, PgS prints > all my pics from ImageFX and every other graphics program I can find. > Exactly what format are the pics in? Duh! You are right. When I first got ImageFX I had saved a file and tried to load it into PS. It didn't work so I never thought about trying it again. It was a jpeg. I was just too busy playing with ImageFX to look into it further. I tried loading as an ilbm and it work great. Jack --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Congratulations to MSers_Online. Our latest ONElist of the Week. For full story and to submit yours, go to Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From jyork@voyager.net Wed Sep 08 14:37:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.229]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA17227 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 13:41:16 +0100 Received: (qmail 25452 invoked by alias); 8 Sep 1999 13:39:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 25436 invoked from network); 8 Sep 1999 13:39:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail1.voyager.net) (209.153.128.76) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 1999 13:39:58 -0000 Received: from voyager.net (root@as5-dial18.pntc.mi.voyager.net [209.153.137.82]) by mail1.voyager.net (8.9.1/Voyager-MailX) with SMTP id JAA21664 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:46:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Jack York To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 09:37:47 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [020] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Off Topic : T-Shirt printing? (UK) X-UIDL: 8c5084315ea2369bf6fd7f582e12ee87 From: Jack York Hello Ralph On 06-Sep-99, Ralph wrote: > From: Ralph > > Hello Jack > > On 05-Sep-99, you wrote: > snip--> > > If you go to Turbo print prefs then to the graphics page / section , > you will see in the bottom right a tick box for negative & mirror . > > The mirror is the one you are looking for . That did it. > > You can get some good results , but remember to use white or > pale tee shirts . If I print in low resolution the printout looks as I want it to but the quality is obviously low. If I raise the print resolution the text become jagged. Any idea why this is happening? I am using an Epson 850 and the print looks great if I print it on regular paper. But when I print to the transfer paper it just can't handle it. I tried changing the paper type in TurboPrint to the other settings (photoglossy, etc.) but it failed the same way. :( Jack --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Show your ONElist SPIRIT! Click Here With a new ONElist SHIRT available through our website. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From ralph@twiss.u-net.com Wed Sep 08 14:26:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.213]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA18034 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:28:18 +0100 Received: (qmail 5524 invoked by alias); 8 Sep 1999 14:26:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 5515 invoked from network); 8 Sep 1999 14:26:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO serv1.is1.u-net.net) (195.102.240.129) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 1999 14:26:22 -0000 Received: from [195.102.200.242] (helo=u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for just-amiga@onelist.com id 11OiZl-0005NO-00; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:19:53 +0000 From: Ralph To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 15:26:08 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0Preview7 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Off Topic : T-Shirt printing? (UK) X-UIDL: fa036bac6fd336aa87656570aeb1bf88 From: Ralph Hello Jack On 08-Sep-99, you wrote: > From: Jack York > snip--> >> If you go to Turbo print prefs then to the graphics page / section , >> you will see in the bottom right a tick box for negative & mirror . >> >> The mirror is the one you are looking for . > > That did it. did it work ok ? > >> >> You can get some good results , but remember to use white or >> pale tee shirts . > > If I print in low resolution the printout looks as I want it to > but the quality is obviously low. If I raise the print resolution > the text become jagged. Any idea why this is happening? It should not hapen , does the same thing hapen when you do the same test on ordinary paper ? Have you set the 'super' setting in TurboPrint / graphics / smothing ? > I am > using an Epson 850 and the print looks great if I print it on > regular paper. But when I print to the transfer paper it just > can't handle it. I tried changing the paper type in TurboPrint > to the other settings (photoglossy, etc.) but it failed the same > way. :( When you say 'can't handle it' do you mean it smudges and bleeds ? What resolutions are you printing onto the transfer paper & what type print is it ? ( ie photo - just text - cartoon type ect ) I try to use the plain paper or inkjet paper setting for transfer paper. I have only used a Cannon 610 for tee shirt prints , but I have a Epson 850 so I will try it out as soon as I can . The Cannon has done some realy impesssive tee shirt pics , every thing from Lara Croft pics on light coloured denim jakets ( for my 2 girls not me ;-) ) to logos for a Local radio station - tee shirts , knickers , shorts ....... StarTrek logos , Music logos , and even some glamour pics of the wifey on tee shirts for me ;-) Orders now being taken ;-) Ralph --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- ATTN ONELIST USERS: stay current on the latest activities, programs, & features at ONElist by joining our member newsletter at Click ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From jyork@voyager.net Wed Sep 08 17:57:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.159]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA22450 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:11:09 +0100 Received: (qmail 4003 invoked by alias); 8 Sep 1999 19:09:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 3961 invoked from network); 8 Sep 1999 19:09:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail1.voyager.net) (209.153.128.76) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 1999 19:09:04 -0000 Received: from voyager.net (root@as3-dial119.pntc.mi.voyager.net [209.153.137.247]) by mail1.voyager.net (8.9.1/Voyager-MailX) with SMTP id PAA14440 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 15:16:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Jack York To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 12:57:35 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [020] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Off Topic : T-Shirt printing? (UK) X-UIDL: 92b6a542df20389ac0e6ab906f4ca33b From: Jack York Hello Ralph On 08-Sep-99, Ralph wrote: > From: Ralph > >>> If you go to Turbo print prefs then to the graphics page / section , >>> you will see in the bottom right a tick box for negative & mirror . >>> >>> The mirror is the one you are looking for . >> >> That did it. > > > did it work ok ? It does as long as I print in low density as described below. >> If I print in low resolution the printout looks as I want it to >> but the quality is obviously low. If I raise the print resolution >> the text become jagged. Any idea why this is happening? > > It should not hapen , does the same thing hapen when you do the same test > on ordinary paper ? When I print on normal paper it looks great at higher densities. > Have you set the 'super' setting in TurboPrint / graphics / smothing ? Yes, I have this set as default. > >> I am >> using an Epson 850 and the print looks great if I print it on >> regular paper. But when I print to the transfer paper it just >> can't handle it. I tried changing the paper type in TurboPrint >> to the other settings (photoglossy, etc.) but it failed the same >> way. :( > > When you say 'can't handle it' do you mean it smudges and bleeds ? > What resolutions are you printing onto the transfer paper & what type > print is it ? > ( ie photo - just text - cartoon type ect ) I am trying to print something that has text and graphics. If I print at 180x180 dpi everything looks as I would expect it to look, just not as clear due to the low density setting. If I raise the density setting any higher the graphics still print ok but the text is wrong. It looks as though the top half of the letters started printing in one position while the bottom half was shifted over about 1/4 inch. > > I try to use the plain paper or inkjet paper setting for transfer paper. > > I have only used a Cannon 610 for tee shirt prints , but I have a > Epson 850 so I will try it out as soon as I can . > > The Cannon has done some realy impesssive tee shirt pics , every thing > from I tried transferring the low density one I printed out to an old shirt and even it came out pretty good. If I can get around the density problem I'm sure it will look great. > Lara Croft pics on light coloured denim jakets ( for my 2 girls not me ;-) Sure, if you say so. ;) Jack --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- ONElist: your connection to people who share your interests. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From jyork@voyager.net Wed Sep 08 20:19:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.247]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA22615 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:22:35 +0100 Received: (qmail 2524 invoked by alias); 8 Sep 1999 19:20:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 2489 invoked from network); 8 Sep 1999 19:20:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail1.voyager.net) (209.153.128.76) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 1999 19:20:55 -0000 Received: from voyager.net (root@as3-dial119.pntc.mi.voyager.net [209.153.137.247]) by mail1.voyager.net (8.9.1/Voyager-MailX) with SMTP id PAA17339 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 15:28:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Jack York To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 15:19:08 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [020] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Off Topic : T-Shirt printing? (UK) X-UIDL: 1f8521d55b3d1b4f59edcef63776f8b2 From: Jack York Hello Ralph On 08-Sep-99, Ralph wrote: > From: Ralph > When you say 'can't handle it' do you mean it smudges and bleeds ? > > What resolutions are you printing onto the transfer paper & what type > print is it ? > ( ie photo - just text - cartoon type ect ) > > I try to use the plain paper or inkjet paper setting for transfer paper. > > I have only used a Cannon 610 for tee shirt prints , but I have a > Epson 850 so I will try it out as soon as I can . > > The Cannon has done some realy impesssive tee shirt pics , every thing > from > Turns out the problem appears to be in TurboPrint. The printout is a mixture of text and graphics. When printing in the higher densities the text is partly shifted. That is to say, the top part of the first letter is printed at a certain position while the bottom part of that same letter is printed about 1/4 inch to the right. I turned off the mirror option and reversed the text in PageStream before printing. Turned out fine. The only problem now is judging the contrast and brightness levels. Printing on plain paper gives a different look than printing on the transfers. And each time I change it, another sheet of transfer is trashed. Is there a better way? > Lara Croft pics on light coloured denim jakets ( for my 2 girls not me ;-) Sure...if you say so. ;) Jack --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Show your ONElist SPIRIT! Click Here With a new ONElist SHIRT available through our website. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From ralph@twiss.u-net.com Thu Sep 09 10:16:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.13]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA31940 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:19:04 +0100 Received: (qmail 14787 invoked by alias); 9 Sep 1999 10:17:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 14777 invoked from network); 9 Sep 1999 10:17:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO serv1.is1.u-net.net) (195.102.240.129) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 1999 10:17:52 -0000 Received: from [195.102.200.182] (helo=u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for just-amiga@onelist.com id 11P1A1-0005Ku-00; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:10:34 +0000 From: Ralph To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 11:16:36 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0Preview7 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Off Topic : T-Shirt printing? (UK) X-UIDL: 9909b4545d4f43acbaa5ece3cff9c764 From: Ralph Hello Jack On 08-Sep-99, you wrote: > From: Jack York > >> From: Ralph > > >> When you say 'can't handle it' do you mean it smudges and bleeds ? >> >> What resolutions are you printing onto the transfer paper & what type >> print is it ? >> ( ie photo - just text - cartoon type ect ) >> snip--> > > Turns out the problem appears to be in TurboPrint. The printout is > a mixture of text and graphics. When printing in the higher densities > the text is partly shifted. That is to say, the top part of the first > letter is printed at a certain position while the bottom part of that > same letter is printed about 1/4 inch to the right. I turned off the > mirror option and reversed the text in PageStream before printing. > Turned out fine. snip--> I have just tried printing out a 750 x1400 pic with text over, mirrored , on my Epson 850 , through TurboPrint using a bitmaped font and a cc font . It printed fine ( it was on plain paper , cos it shoul'nt make any diffrence what you print on ) Which makes me think it is ( as you say ) a Turbo Print setting / fault , or a clash between the prog printing from & TurboPrint Which prog are you printing from ? If you want to send me the pic / text I will try it out on my system that might give us some clues . > The only problem now is judging the contrast and > brightness levels. Printing on plain paper gives a different look > than printing on the transfers. And each time I change it, another > sheet of transfer is trashed. Is there a better way? > Unless it is somthing /very/ (/Very/) complicated I assemble everthing in Graphics Publisher and alter the contrast settings there . However the only prob I have had is not with the transfer sheet but with the material that the transfer is to be ironed on to .(the transfer sheets that I use are plain white and so give the same look as ordinary paper ) I would print out on normal paper the various logos and the pin / stich them on to the garment to check out the look position ( the record so far is 25 diffrent logos / pics on 1 top ) Ralph --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- GET WHAT YOU DESERVE! A NextCard Platinum VISA: DOUBLE Rewards points, NO annual fee & rates as low as 9.9 percent FIXED APR. Apply online today! Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From lairfight@softhome.net Thu Sep 09 20:01:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.31]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA08184 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 20:08:17 +0100 Received: (qmail 31494 invoked by alias); 9 Sep 1999 20:06:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 31485 invoked from network); 9 Sep 1999 20:06:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailg.telia.com) (194.22.194.26) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 1999 20:06:10 -0000 Received: from localhost (toor@t2o68p82.telia.com [62.20.138.202]) by mailg.telia.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA24181 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:06:37 +0200 (CEST) From: Linus Akesson To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 22:01:15 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [020] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: T-Shirt printing thread X-UIDL: 275a7ece59b58edffcd16d8bb3e5a81a From: Linus Akesson In accordance with the prophecy, Tony P. Parr uttered: > From: "Tony P. Parr" > Greetings All... > Recently various people asked and answered about T-Shirt printing. I offer > the following limited information, based on my own experience: > (snip) > horizontally flipped image (or whatever) on the special sheet, then iron > on to TShirt. Of course if there's no text, there's no need to flip. Wouldn't it work just as well with a vertically flipped image? =) > Here in OZ, for example, one can buy the cheapest > Canon bubble-jet for as low as $A139 $A139 = hex A139 = 41273. Heh, that's beyond my budget too. =) Linus - Linus Akesson ------------------------- http://linusworld.cjb.net - ::: :::. :.:: :. ::.. : :... ::.: ::. :::: :.:. :: :..: :.. :.: :.... A paperless office has about as much chance as a paperless bathroom. --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- WIN a trip to Hawaii! Enter ONElist's Hawaiian Sweepstakes. 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Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From bastid@wt.net Sat Sep 11 01:58:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.247]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA30473 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 01:55:53 +0100 Received: (qmail 7829 invoked by alias); 11 Sep 1999 01:54:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 7823 invoked from network); 11 Sep 1999 01:54:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sys32.hou.wt.net) (205.230.159.32) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 1999 01:54:13 -0000 Received: from wt.net (216-119-129-126.ipset9.wt.net [216.119.129.126]) by sys32.hou.wt.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA20369 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:12:42 -0500 (CDT) Sender: steve@sys32.hou.wt.net Message-ID: <37D9B742.CF1D4644@wt.net> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 01:58:26 +0000 From: "Stephen C. Rigler" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.5-15 i586) X-Accept-Language: en To: "just-amiga@onelist.com" Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [just-amiga] Bad News? X-UIDL: f4666055b2790f118b8e09468ab24f5c From: "Stephen C. Rigler" http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/sep1999/nf90910c.htm --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Why do WOMEN ASTRONAUTS have such BAD HAIRCUTS? What happens if you CLEAN your self-cleaning OVEN? The DR. has answers:Click ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From amiga@thefree.net Sat Sep 11 12:24:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.223]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA02615 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:18:57 +0100 Received: (qmail 92 invoked by alias); 11 Sep 1999 12:17:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 31614 invoked from network); 11 Sep 1999 12:16:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fdn.co.uk) (195.34.192.6) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 1999 12:16:31 -0000 Received: from thefree.net [195.34.195.218] by fdn.co.uk (SMTPD32-4.07) id AA1B600E8; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:16:43 +0000 From: Chris Seward To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:24:21 +0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] NEVER register a .co.uk domain X-UIDL: 86055939c695cd404c331369d55741fe From: Chris Seward Hello interested readers! I'd just like to warn everyone NEVER to register a .co.uk domain because they give you so much trouble. I suggest going for a US one like .com/.net/.org because these are simple to move and trouble free. I have been trying to get the DNS servers of aio.co.uk moved because I have a new place to host the AIO website. It has been going on for around 2 months and they still refuse to change the DNS servers. The site is registered to someone else because he did this for me because at the time he could host it but he emailed them and they told him that he would need to fax them an 'official' company headed paper requesting the change of the DNS servers. He did this and still it has not moved. For this I appologise for the sorry state the AIO site is in with some times it being up and sometimes not and also for not letting me get on with the site updating the bits that need updating on a regular basis. The last word of warning, *NEVER* register a .co.uk Toodle Pip! -- Chris Seward - Editor, Amiga Information Online *URL* : http://www.aio.co.uk - Email : chris@aio.co.uk - ICQ : 41724074 *Phone* : +44 (0) 7887 664915 - *ACS* : AIOeditor - *IRC* : AIOeditor Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Announcing the ONElist Hawaiian Sweepstakes! Enter to win a trip for two to Hawaii! Click here: Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From wmaddock@icon-stl.net Sat Sep 11 14:24:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.207]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA03106 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:25:32 +0100 Received: (qmail 3499 invoked by alias); 11 Sep 1999 13:23:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 3490 invoked from network); 11 Sep 1999 13:23:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO icon-stl.net) (199.217.153.1) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 1999 13:23:36 -0000 Received: from icon-46.icon-stl.net (wmaddock@icon-46.icon-stl.net [199.217.231.46]) by icon-stl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA10702 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 08:24:00 -0500 (CDT) Date: 11 Sep 99 08:24:07 -0600 From: "William F. Maddock" To: "William F. Maddock" In-Reply-To: <959.910T548T282933wmaddock@icon-stl.net> Message-ID: <814.923T357T5042162wmaddock@icon-stl.net> X-Mailer: THOR 2.6 (Amiga;TCP/IP) Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [just-amiga] Liquid Audio second attempt... X-UIDL: 7af139f341155bb36e819c27074ca99a From: "William F. Maddock" On 29-Aug-99 00:28:10 wmaddock@icon-stl.net William F. Maddock wrote: >Does anyone know of a Liquid Audio player for the Amiga? There are a >couple of files I'd like to get at, but I won't waste the time, if >there's no player for the Amiga. This is my second time asking this. Deos anyone know of a Liquid Audio player for the Amiga? -- William F. Maddock ICQ:14668944 http://www.icon-stl.net/~wmaddock Time: 11-Sep-99 08:22:42 CDT Jesus Saves mailto:wmaddock@icon-stl.net St. Louis, Missouri, USA ftp://ftp.icon-stl.net/users/wmaddock Team AMIGA Written using THOR 2.6 Registered User Number 1621 -- Isaiah 34:14 Desert creatures will meet with hyenas, and wild goats will bleat to each other; there the night creatures will also repose and find for themselves places of rest. --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- ATTN ONELIST USERS: stay current on the latest activities, programs, & features at ONElist by joining our member newsletter at Click ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From sw@nysa.u-net.com Sat Sep 11 15:43:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.229]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA04287 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:45:26 +0100 Received: (qmail 31031 invoked by alias); 11 Sep 1999 15:44:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 31023 invoked from network); 11 Sep 1999 15:44:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO serv1.is1.u-net.net) (195.102.240.129) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 1999 15:44:15 -0000 Received: from [195.102.201.165] (helo=nysa.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for just-amiga@onelist.com id 11PpD2-0002gn-00; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:37:00 +0000 From: Stephen Williams To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:43:20 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 (AmigaOS) - http://www.yam.ch/ X-Pokemon: Pikachu X-Zero-Hour: in 477 days, 7 hours, 16 minutes Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: NEVER register a .co.uk domain X-UIDL: 63d0e906da2bab51ee99f98432fdeb01 From: Stephen Williams Chris Seward wrote: > I suggest going for a US one like .com/.net/.org because these > are simple to move and trouble free. [pedantic mode on] Technically, those aren't US domains at all. A ".us" top-level domain exists, but it's hardly ever used for some reason. ".com", ".org" and ".net" are open to all countries, but they're concentrated around the States. -Stephen -- [[ http://www.nysa.u-net.com/ ]] --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- ONElist: your connection to online communities. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From amiga@thefree.net Sat Sep 11 21:59:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.223]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA07299 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:03:07 +0100 Received: (qmail 28472 invoked by alias); 11 Sep 1999 21:01:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 28457 invoked from network); 11 Sep 1999 21:01:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fdn.co.uk) (195.34.192.6) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 1999 21:01:45 -0000 Received: from thefree.net [195.34.195.209] by fdn.co.uk (SMTPD32-4.07) id A52336E000E8; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:01:39 +0000 From: Chris Seward To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:59:22 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: [just-amiga] Re: NEVER register a .co.uk domain X-UIDL: 096511c540c613b866993dc806e898ec From: Chris Seward Stephen, On 11-Sep-99, you wrote: > Technically, those aren't US domains at all. A ".us" top-level > domain exists, but it's hardly ever used for some reason. I know this, maybe they want to seem better than us :) > ".com", > ".org" and ".net" are open to all countries, but they're > concentrated around the States. Yes, yes of course but the country you register those domains in is the USA so they are owned by a USA firm/government which I would say makes them American :) maybe you think different. Regards -- Chris Seward - Editor, Amiga Information Online *URL* : http://www.aio.co.uk - Email : chris@aio.co.uk - ICQ : 41724074 *Phone* : +44 (0) 7887 664915 - *ACS* : AIOeditor - *IRC* : AIOeditor Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- ??? Computer Questions ==> Free Answers From Live Experts ! ! ! go to EXPERTCITY.COM Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From bunton@acay.com.au Mon Sep 13 00:47:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.243]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA21042 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 00:49:13 +0100 Received: (qmail 22432 invoked by alias); 13 Sep 1999 00:47:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 22422 invoked from network); 13 Sep 1999 00:47:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hamtic.acay.com.au) (203.7.132.2) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 1999 00:47:46 -0000 Received: from acay.com.au (acay01912449.acay.com.au [203.19.124.49]) by acay.com.au (8.8.8+3.0Wbeta13/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA03824 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:47:32 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from bunton@acay.com.au) Message-ID: <37DC49A1.98338446@acay.com.au> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:47:29 +1000 From: Frank Bunton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,en-GB,en-US To: "just-amiga@onelist.com" Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [just-amiga] Amiga going, going ... gone? X-UIDL: 2f24ed0f7c3af7d01e296664cdcaf00e From: Frank Bunton How many of you read Brad Webb's e-mag "Amiga Update"? See latest issue at:- http://www.globaldialog.com/~amigaupdate/brad/990910 In particular, scroll down (not very far) to:- Editor's Thoughts and Introduction: Disturbing thoughts!!! - especially the bit:- "Gateway has dropped plans to build the new machine. Instead, it will focus on creating a user-friendly interface that will link Internet appliances over home networks." If Gateway/Amiga have ditched plans for a new Amiga why are they getting OS3.5 ready for the market? Surely I am not so cynical to think that it is only to raise money from us Amiga suckers to help them with their other plans and then ditch us after they have squeezed one last drop out of us??? -- ------------------------------------------------ From:- Frank Bunton E-mail:- mailto:bunton@acay.com.au Web:- http://www.acay.com.au/~bunton HOME OF: AmigaDOS For Beginners ARexx For Beginners How To Write AmigaGuide Docs Phone in Australia:- (02) 43 331 224 Phone ex overseas +61 2 43 331 224 Member of Team *Amiga* Worldwide http://web.wt.net/~gpeake/teamamiga.html ------------------------------------------------ --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- GET WHAT YOU DESERVE! A NextCard Platinum VISA: DOUBLE Rewards points, NO annual fee & rates as low as 9.9 percent FIXED APR. Apply online today! Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From dussel@cybercomm.nl Mon Sep 13 03:04:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.213]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA21838 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 03:06:13 +0100 Received: (qmail 31749 invoked by alias); 13 Sep 1999 03:03:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 31541 invoked from network); 13 Sep 1999 03:03:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server2.cybercomm.nl) (194.235.113.19) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 1999 03:03:47 -0000 Received: from cybercomm.nl (dussel@poort1-ip-x2.enertel.cybercomm.nl [194.235.118.1]) by server2.cybercomm.nl (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id FAA24541 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 05:04:21 +0200 From: Gerrit-kjeld Dusseljee To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 05:04:17 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <37DC49A1.98338446@acay.com.au> X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [060] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Amiga going, going ... gone? X-UIDL: dced8901a1d187acee3bd24b5e78e800 From: Gerrit-kjeld Dusseljee Hello Frank Op 13-sep-99 schreef Frank Bunton: > From: Frank Bunton > > How many of you read Brad Webb's e-mag "Amiga Update"? > > See latest issue at:- > > http://www.globaldialog.com/~amigaupdate/brad/990910 > > In particular, scroll down (not very far) to:- > > Editor's Thoughts and Introduction: > > Disturbing thoughts!!! - especially the bit:- > > "Gateway has dropped plans to build the new machine. > Instead, it will focus on creating a user-friendly > interface that will link Internet appliances over > home networks." > > If Gateway/Amiga have ditched plans for a new Amiga why are they getting > OS3.5 ready for the market? Surely I am not so cynical to think that it > is only to raise money from us Amiga suckers to help them with their > other plans and then ditch us after they have squeezed one last drop out > of us??? You have to remember that OS3.5 is not from Amiga, but H&P!! Regards -- A4000/060@50/604e@200/CV-PPC/118MB ram/8.6GB hd/12xCDrom/Ricoh CD-RW/Pioneer 36x/Toccata/Hypercom3Z Atari 600XL/800XL/800XE/2600/LYNX |SEGA megadrive+cd/GameGear|N64/SNES|PSX :( --Member of:Convergence International- The NON-Wintel user group-- --Cracking RC5-64// Warp*S - a program of M$ Tactics Inc. // Anti-KPN!! ICQ:255060020|||| BOOT ERROR|||| --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Enter ONElist's Friends & Family Program WIN $100 to Amazon.com! Through Sept. 17. To enter, click here Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From tim@ramjam.u-net.com Mon Sep 13 10:28:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.227]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA25122 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:30:20 +0100 Received: (qmail 30562 invoked by alias); 13 Sep 1999 09:28:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 30554 invoked from network); 13 Sep 1999 09:28:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mserv1a.u-net.net) (195.102.240.34) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 1999 09:28:52 -0000 Received: from ramjam.u-net.com ([194.119.178.106]) by mserv1a.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #61) id 11QSQc-0005x8-00 for just-amiga@onelist.com; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:29:38 +0100 From: tim@ramjam.u-net.com (Tim Corringham) X-SMTP-Client: Amiga SMTPclient 0.1 by Ramjam Consultants Ltd. Date: Mon, 13 Sep 99 10:28:42 To: just-amiga@onelist.com In-Reply-To: <37DC49A1.98338446@acay.com.au> (from just-amiga@onelist.com) (on Mon, 13 Sep 99 10:47:29) Lines: 25 X-Mailer: ADMail 1.7 Copyright 1995 S.T.Brown Message-Id: Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [just-amiga] Amiga going, going ... gone? X-UIDL: 37586ebc54e03c3b543baf857574dc27 From: tim@ramjam.u-net.com (Tim Corringham) Hi Frank > If Gateway/Amiga have ditched plans for a new Amiga why are they getting > OS3.5 ready for the market? Surely I am not so cynical to think that it > is only to raise money from us Amiga suckers to help them with their > other plans and then ditch us after they have squeezed one last drop out > of us??? Under Jim Collas, Amiga Inc and Amiga International were merged into Amiga. I expect that to be reversed. OS3.5, AmiCola, boxer shorts, socks and Annex, are all Amiga International things. I expect these to continue (Petro doesn't give up easily). Amiga NG things, such as the MCC and AmigaObjects are Amige Inc things. I expect some of these to continue, but under Gateway rather than Amiga. Tim -- ====================================================================== Tim Corringham e-mail: tim@ramjam.u-net.com Ramjam Consultants Ltd tel: +44 (0)118 946 5940 Reading, England fax: +44 (0)118 946 5941 --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- ??? Computer Questions ==> Free Answers From Live Experts ! ! ! go to EXPERTCITY.COM Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From 10565@telia.com Mon Sep 13 11:42:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.229]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA26405 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 10:44:29 +0100 Received: (qmail 10879 invoked by alias); 13 Sep 1999 10:43:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 10860 invoked from network); 13 Sep 1999 10:43:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maile.telia.com) (194.22.190.16) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 1999 10:43:05 -0000 Received: from d1o86.telia.com (root@d1o86.telia.com [62.20.182.241]) by maile.telia.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA16236 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:42:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from cad3 (t2o86p114.telia.com [62.20.182.234]) by d1o86.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA06605 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:42:48 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000801befddd$1b17b1d0$3d09a8c0@cad3.mikrovr> From: "Peter" <10565@telia.com> To: Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:42:49 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Subject: SV: [just-amiga] Amiga going, going ... gone? X-UIDL: 5dab4a372535ac5d312a75d34b0f47f4 From: "Peter" <10565@telia.com> >> If Gateway/Amiga have ditched plans for a new Amiga why are they getting >> OS3.5 ready for the market? Surely I am not so cynical to think that it >> is only to raise money from us Amiga suckers to help them with their >> other plans and then ditch us after they have squeezed one last drop out >> of us??? I think GW2k and Amiga are planing something, and these rumers about InternetGui/Settop boxes are nomore than just rumers.. >Under Jim Collas, Amiga Inc and Amiga International were merged into Amiga. > >I expect that to be reversed. OS3.5, AmiCola, boxer shorts, socks and Annex, AmiCola, waths that?, i want some, were can i get it? --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Does Windows keep ""bugging"" you? Can't get that PowerPoint slide to fit? Get FREE real-time live expert support over the Internet at expertcity.com. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From tim@ramjam.u-net.com Mon Sep 13 13:57:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.221]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA28415 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:58:43 +0100 Received: (qmail 20552 invoked by alias); 13 Sep 1999 12:57:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 20542 invoked from network); 13 Sep 1999 12:57:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mserv1a.u-net.net) (195.102.240.34) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 1999 12:57:26 -0000 Received: from ramjam.u-net.com ([194.119.178.106]) by mserv1a.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #61) id 11QVgK-0002Au-00 for just-amiga@onelist.com; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:58:04 +0100 From: tim@ramjam.u-net.com (Tim Corringham) X-SMTP-Client: Amiga SMTPclient 0.1 by Ramjam Consultants Ltd. Date: Mon, 13 Sep 99 13:57:07 To: just-amiga@onelist.com In-Reply-To: <000801befddd$1b17b1d0$3d09a8c0@cad3.mikrovr> (from just-amiga@onelist.com) (on Mon, 13 Sep 99 12:42:49) Lines: 18 X-Mailer: ADMail 1.7 Copyright 1995 S.T.Brown Message-Id: Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: SV: [just-amiga] Amiga going, going ... gone? X-UIDL: 9e9dc705003759b17f3ba5e45f7035e3 From: tim@ramjam.u-net.com (Tim Corringham) Hi Peter > >Under Jim Collas, Amiga Inc and Amiga International were merged into Amiga. > > > >I expect that to be reversed. OS3.5, AmiCola, boxer shorts, socks and Annex, > > AmiCola, waths that?, i want some, were can i get it? It's a rather disgusting brown soft drink. Petro sells expensive cans of the stuff at Amiga shows. Tim -- ====================================================================== Tim Corringham e-mail: tim@ramjam.u-net.com Ramjam Consultants Ltd tel: +44 (0)118 946 5940 Reading, England fax: +44 (0)118 946 5941 --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Does Windows keep ""bugging"" you? Can't get that PowerPoint slide to fit? Get FREE real-time live expert support over the Internet at expertcity.com. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From nybo@softhome.net Mon Sep 13 16:06:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.247]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA01130 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:44:54 +0100 Received: (qmail 2575 invoked by alias); 13 Sep 1999 18:42:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 2527 invoked from network); 13 Sep 1999 18:42:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO charleston.softhome.net) (204.144.231.41) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 1999 18:42:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 29016 invoked by uid 417); 13 Sep 1999 16:26:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO softhome.net) (130.228.57.56) by smtp.softhome.net with SMTP; 13 Sep 1999 16:26:58 -0000 Message-ID: <37DD2104.48A7CC08@softhome.net> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:06:29 +0200 From: Martin Nybo Andersen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: just-amiga@onelist.com References: Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Amiga going, going ... gone? X-UIDL: 33045c502666395ade146df794489960 From: Martin Nybo Andersen Tim Corringham wrote: > [...] > I expect that to be reversed. OS3.5, AmiCola, boxer shorts, socks and Annex, > are all Amiga International things. I expect these to continue (Petro doesn't > give up easily). I hope so. I really do hope so! He's (just about) our only hope. Anyways, let's see tuesday (14th). > Tim -Martin --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- ONElist: your connection to people who share your interests. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From wmaddock@icon-stl.net Tue Sep 14 00:38:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.233]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA05037 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:47:31 +0100 Received: (qmail 1723 invoked by alias); 13 Sep 1999 23:45:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 1655 invoked from network); 13 Sep 1999 23:45:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO icon-stl.net) (199.217.153.1) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 1999 23:45:49 -0000 Received: from icon-34.icon-stl.net (wmaddock@icon-34.icon-stl.net [199.217.231.34]) by icon-stl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA25079 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:46:03 -0500 (CDT) Date: 13 Sep 99 18:38:42 -0600 From: "William F. Maddock" To: "Frank Bunton" In-Reply-To: <37DC49A1.98338446@acay.com.au> Message-ID: <1580.925T2140T11183937wmaddock@icon-stl.net> X-Mailer: THOR 2.6 (Amiga;TCP/IP) Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [just-amiga] Amiga going, going ... gone? X-UIDL: c656ef9ef213ddf9dae6f8af813a23c5 From: "William F. Maddock" On 12-Sep-99 18:47:29 bunton@acay.com.au Frank Bunton wrote: >From: Frank Bunton >How many of you read Brad Webb's e-mag "Amiga Update"? >See latest issue at:- > http://www.globaldialog.com/~amigaupdate/brad/990910 >In particular, scroll down (not very far) to:- > Editor's Thoughts and Introduction: >Disturbing thoughts!!! - especially the bit:- > "Gateway has dropped plans to build the new machine. > Instead, it will focus on creating a user-friendly > interface that will link Internet appliances over > home networks." >If Gateway/Amiga have ditched plans for a new Amiga why are they >getting OS3.5 ready for the market? Surely I am not so cynical to think >that it is only to raise money from us Amiga suckers to help them with >their other plans and then ditch us after they have squeezed one last >drop out of us??? Please remember that since they won't be building hardware, they'll need to do licensing. I think it's likely that other companies will look into licensing the OE for desktop/tower computer systems. Iwin may be one of those. Of course, I've also read that there is supposed to be an announcement tomorrow, so... -- William F. Maddock ICQ:14668944 http://www.icon-stl.net/~wmaddock Time: 13-Sep-99 18:36:15 CDT Jesus Saves mailto:wmaddock@icon-stl.net St. Louis, Missouri, USA ftp://ftp.icon-stl.net/users/wmaddock Team AMIGA Written using THOR 2.6 Registered User Number 1621 -- John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad." --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- ONElist: your connection to online communities. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From kwdjc@wf.net Tue Sep 14 01:16:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.229]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA05903 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 01:19:05 +0100 Received: (qmail 32338 invoked by alias); 14 Sep 1999 01:18:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 32171 invoked from network); 14 Sep 1999 01:18:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wf.net) (208.129.168.4) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 1999 01:18:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 25264 invoked from network); 13 Sep 1999 20:17:18 -0500 Received: from mw-pm4-26.wf.net (HELO wf.net) (208.134.151.35) by odin.wf.net with SMTP; 13 Sep 1999 20:17:18 -0500 From: Kenneth Craig To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:16:43 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [040] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Subject: [just-amiga] == THE PHOENIX PLATFORM CONSORTIUM == X-UIDL: efb5446586467791a78612d508df1d0b From: Kenneth Craig Hello all, Thought you might be interested in this: == THE PHOENIX PLATFORM CONSORTIUM == We are pleased to announce the acceptance of provisional charter for the Phoenix Platform Consortium. Phoenix signatories believe it is time to place our destiny back in the hands of folks who understand what the Amiga is all about. You will notice members of the original Jay Miner team within our ranks. Unlike other new entities we will not field questions from newsgroups, mailing lists, or in email, nor will we be erecting a marketing facade to false hopes. Results and honest direction are our mandate. The Phoenix Platform Consortium will assume responsibility for aid and recommendation for reference platforms for the Amiga users who wish to upgrade their present Amigas, as we establish an open migration path to a new platform. That platform will in spirit and in feel be a new Amiga experience while incorporating and surpassing the features found on the desktop elsewhere today. More information will be posted when we have facts to present. Please do NOT email the participants in curiosity. We ask for your patience in this matter. Please respect the wishes of the participants named below. There is much to do and we have just begun. As information becomes available it will be posted on mailing lists, newsgroups, and at the following website: http://owlnet.net/phoenix/ which will be up shortly. This announcement is freely repostable. Thanks, from the Phoenix Platform Consortium, currently: Alan Crandall JMS Alan Swithenbank Stanford Comp Systems Lab Albert Bailey Flying Mice Andy Finkel Met@box Aron Digulla AROS Bart G Colbert BG Colbert Berardino Baratta MetroWerks Bill Bull QNX Bill McEwen Amino Bohdan Lechnowsky REBOL Bruce Ellsworth AmiTrace/ACSVideo Carl Sassenrath REBOL Christian Kemp ANN Clash Bowley Flying Mice Dan Dodge QNX Daryl Low QNX Internship Dave Cook GuruMeditationError Dave Haynie Met@box dinglis QNX Don Cox Don Cox Computer Productions Drew S Tarmey IAT Manufacturing Dr Greg Perry GPSoftware Ed MacKenty MacKenty Software Services Eric Herget Ki Networks Fleecy Moss Amino Frank Friesacher QNX Fred Wright The Wright Solution Gary Peake Team AMIGA/OwlNet Geert Bevin Thunderstorms/The Leaf Giorgio Gomelsky JMS Glenn Davidson Cloud Media G'o'tz Ohnesorge greenboy Phoenix Hal Greenlee HardDrivers Holger Kruse Nordic Global Igor Kovalenko Motorola iDEN Joanne Dow Wizardess Designs Joe Gulizia SCOLA Johan Rönnblom John Shepard Kevin Lowe BrainDrops Kevin Tiernan Elfnet Marc Albrecht A.C.T. Mario Charest Zinformatic Mario Saitti Phoenix Marko Seppänen Visual Engineer Martin McKenzie CADTech Matt Sealey U of Leicester Michael Battilana Cloanto Mick Tinker Access Odd H Sandvick Olaf Barthel logical line GmbH Paul Lesurf Blittersoft Paul May Phoenix Paul Nolan Paul Nolan Ltd Ray Akey HMetalsoft/ZenMetal RJ Mical Mical.org Robert Krten PARSE/Cisco Ron Liechty MetroWerks Rudi Chiarito Magrathea Development Samuel A Falvo II Dolphin Shaun Sauve QNX Stephane Desrosiers Stephen Jones Siamese Systems Steve Tomkins QNX Tobias Abt Picasso 96 Vegard Berget Wolf Dietrich phase 5 Interested developers may contact greenboy [greenboy@bigsky.net] with a post titled Dev Database and with the following information in the body 1. Name 2. Company 3. Email@ 4. Developer Category A. Hardware B. Software C. Beta tester D. Marketing/Support Functions E. Internet-oriented development 5. Development Description (ie specialties - video, office suite, etc) A. Current Projects B. Past Projects 6. Platforms currently involved Regards, Kenneth -- Whenever you find that you are on the side of the majority, it is time to reform. -- Mark Twain Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga "Actually, I'm sitting on my butt staring at a computer screen." kwdjc@wf.net UIN 12669981 --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Congratulations to The Fiction Writer. Our latest ONElist of the Week. For full story and to submit yours, go to Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From nybo@softhome.net Tue Sep 14 19:10:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.243]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA20083 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:08:00 +0100 Received: (qmail 20401 invoked by alias); 14 Sep 1999 19:06:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 20395 invoked from network); 14 Sep 1999 19:06:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO charleston.softhome.net) (204.144.231.41) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 1999 19:06:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 31205 invoked by uid 417); 14 Sep 1999 19:30:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO softhome.net) (130.228.57.53) by smtp.softhome.net with SMTP; 14 Sep 1999 19:30:45 -0000 Message-ID: <37DE9D96.34203638@softhome.net> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 21:10:14 +0200 From: Martin Nybo Andersen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: just-amiga@onelist.com Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [just-amiga] Amiga going, going, going! X-UIDL: a5d66cf2155567e798cab3c06bb558e4 From: Martin Nybo Andersen Here it is: http://www.amiga.de/diary/executive-e.html Not much, but at least not an end marker... -Martin --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- ATTENTION ONElist MEMBERS: Get your ONElist news! Join our MEMBER NEWSLETTER here: Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From gavilan@sinectis.com.ar Mon Sep 13 16:33:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.223]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA32141 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 16:49:42 +0100 Received: (qmail 16544 invoked by alias); 13 Sep 1999 16:48:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 16510 invoked from network); 13 Sep 1999 16:48:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO odin.sinectis.com.ar) (200.16.183.2) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 1999 16:48:23 -0000 Received: from gavilanpollero (modem100-tc7.sinectis.com.ar [200.16.249.100]) by odin.sinectis.com.ar (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA28818; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:47:47 -0300 Message-ID: <000201befe07$81735cc0$010f33c8@gavilanpollero> From: "GavilanPollero" To: "afb" Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:33:07 -0300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [just-amiga] Power Flyer X-UIDL: a6a427b32a500d6948911e95d13d8a41 From: "GavilanPollero" Hello People! after a looong time..i have succesfully installed the Power Flyer on my 1200T with 3.1 Roms. it seems to work perfect..BUT..i can not get the ATA3 prefs to work...i used snoop dos to find out what is wrong and it says something about ENVARC... I tried to reach Power but they dont reply my mails. Im asking anybody here who uses the Power Flyer who could give me an advice about how could i use the ATA3 prefs and how to know if the Flyer is working correct..is there any program to test it?? Well..i hope anybody could help me Kind Regards Sebastian -------------------------------------G4vil4n P0ll3r0-------------------------------------------- Amiga 1200T - 48 megas - HD Seagate 4,3 - Modem Motorola 56 k Blizzard 1230 050 - Blizzard SCSI kit - Monitor Commodore 1942 CD-R Pioneer 16x - CD-W Teac 55RS - MIDI - DSS8+ - Zip Plus - -------------------------------------Gavilan Pollero--------------------------------------------- --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- WIN a trip to Hawaii! Enter ONElist's Hawaiian Sweepstakes. Go to: Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From richard@amiga.prestel.co.uk Tue Sep 14 22:13:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.229]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA22765 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:16:49 +0100 Received: (qmail 20521 invoked by alias); 14 Sep 1999 22:15:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 20511 invoked from network); 14 Sep 1999 22:15:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pa.scotland.net) (194.247.64.132) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 1999 22:15:52 -0000 Received: from [148.176.233.124] (helo=amiga ident=prs17788) by pa.scotland.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11R0qx-0005lI-00 for just-amiga@onelist.com; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:15:08 +0100 From: Richard Lane To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:13:33 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [060] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: NEVER register a .co.uk domain X-UIDL: 75fecf4a10c8f00c38d433647b39266c From: Richard Lane Hello Chris On 11-Sep-99, Chris Seward wrote: > From: Chris Seward > > Hello interested readers! Sorry this is a bit late but I've just bought my own .co.uk domain and moved it so I'm now able to give some input on this. > > I'd just like to warn everyone NEVER to register a .co.uk domain > because they give you so much trouble. > > I suggest going for a US one like .com/.net/.org because these > are simple to move and trouble free. I can't see that the .co.uk one are any more difficult to change that the others. They both work in the same way. > > I have been trying to get the DNS servers of aio.co.uk moved because > I have a new place to host the AIO website. It has been going on > for around 2 months and they still refuse to change the DNS servers. Luckly I've not had any problems, the DNS servers were changed within a few hours of emailing them. > > The site is registered to someone else because he did this for me > because at the time he could host it but he emailed them and they told > him that he would need to fax them an 'official' company headed > paper requesting the change of the DNS servers. He did this and > still it has not moved. Who is it that your domain is with? go on shame names. From what you've said here they do seem to be dragging things out some what. Though I can understand them being a bit careful if you are not the person to whom the domain is registerd for obvious reasons. > > For this I appologise for the sorry state the AIO site is in with some > times it being up and sometimes not and also for not letting me get > on with the site updating the bits that need updating on a regular > basis. > The last word of warning, *NEVER* register a .co.uk Sorry I don't agree. they're a real bargain atm. If anyone's looking for a cheap UK webhost take a look at Free4all. You have to buy your domain name with someone else and get it transfered but that's about it. You also get 25mb of web space even if there website says 10mb. The hosting costs nothing. -- Best Regards, Richard Lane - richard@amiga.prestel.co.uk Author: AmiNET - biz/dopus/Magnum_Opus31a.lha Magnum_Opus support site - http://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/amiga Powered by *AMIGA* -- Greed is good, greed works. --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- WIN a trip to Hawaii! Enter ONElist's Hawaiian Sweepstakes. Go to: Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From mickeyc@ukonline.co.uk Wed Sep 15 13:43:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.13]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA00037 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:45:31 +0100 Received: (qmail 2970 invoked by alias); 15 Sep 1999 13:44:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 2941 invoked from network); 15 Sep 1999 13:44:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kiwi.mail.easynet.net) (195.40.1.40) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 1999 13:44:25 -0000 Received: from ukonline.co.uk (tnt-10-229.easynet.co.uk [212.134.16.229]) by kiwi.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0DE78DB08D; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 14:43:51 +0100 (BST) From: Mike Cardwell To: Just-Amiga , AmiChat Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 14:43:06 +0100 In-Reply-To: <37DE9D96.34203638@softhome.net> Message-Id: <19990915134351.0DE78DB08D@kiwi.mail.easynet.net> Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Subject: [just-amiga] Executive Update response. X-UIDL: 5b8afe71d17d411068aa20ba1c33ce06 From: Mike Cardwell *Reply to quotes from the Executive Update (14/09/99)* N.B. If you read the whole thing, and have followed Amiga for the last few months, then you'd understand why I seem to over react a little here. I don't know what Schmidt had been smoking when he wrote it, but he needs to come back down to Earth. > First, I hope you'd agree that Amiga was never about a box. It was > never about an operating system either. Sure those things were part of > what made the original Amiga great, but at its heart, Amiga was simply > about a better way. Rubbish. The Amiga is a computer, with a brilliant operating system, easy to use, and easy to expand. Amiga is not a concept. I didn't buy my Amiga for the community, I bought it for the computer. > Amiga was ahead of its time. Amiga promised to change the world. It > ran against conventional wisdom and was better than anything out there > at the time. In fact, we could all argue that it's still better than > anything out there. Could we? What about Amiga Emulation on a Pentium 3? Get the best of both worlds. Maybe the emulation isn't as fast as running Amiga software on a real PPC Amiga. But how is the Amiga going to keep up, if Amiga is not going to be developing hardware? Does this mean the MCC has been dropped? Sounds like it to me. > But to limit Amiga to just one box, one product, one OS, is to keep > Amiga from ever seeing its full potential. I don't understand what you're talking about. What are you saying that Amiga is? It's a computer, it can come in many varietys. I just expected that Amiga it's self would actually develop one, rather than leaving it to third parties. > So why not have Amiga running on every type of device imaginable, on > top of every other OS out there? This insinuates that you are classifying Amiga as a piece of software. If not an OS, then what? > So long live Amiga, but if you think that Amiga was just a box, you've > missed the point. Bo****ks! Many people are expecting, a brand new spanking Amiga. One with all the current advantages, but with a decent hardware spec. Amiga has turned it's back on us. What's going to happen to OS5 with it's Linux kernal. Has everything we've been told about just been dropped? > Thomas J. Schmidt > President & C.E.O. I guess G4/QNIX are our only hope now. But will any third party company take the risk of developing an Amiga with the specs we were promised, at such a low price? I don't think so. :( P.S. Sorry to be so negative. It's just so frustrating to listen to so many promises, start to believe them, and then realise they were all lies. Please don't demean this list by flaming me publicly, if you disagree. I do however expect there'll be more response to this, in the list. -- Mike Cardwell, Email: mickeyc@ukonline.co.uk UIN: 26909594 ============================================== A1200 Tower, Blizzard 030-50mhz, 16MB Fastram, 540MB HardDisk, 12X CDRom, 56K Dynalink Modem. ============================================== --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- GRAB THE GATOR! FREE SOFTWARE DOES ALL THE TYPING FOR YOU! Tired of filling out forms and remembering passwords? Gator fills in forms and passwords with just one click! Comes with $50 in free coupons! http://www.onelist.com/ad/gator1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From amiga@thefree.net Wed Sep 15 19:33:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.135.253]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA06280 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 20:30:43 +0100 Received: (qmail 32743 invoked by alias); 15 Sep 1999 20:28:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 32709 invoked from network); 15 Sep 1999 20:28:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fdn.co.uk) (195.34.192.6) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 1999 20:28:34 -0000 Received: from thefree.net [195.34.200.77] by fdn.co.uk (SMTPD32-4.07) id A3861F4E0176; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 20:29:10 +0000 From: Chris Seward To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 19:33:30 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <37DC49A1.98338446@acay.com.au> X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: [just-amiga] Amiga going, going ... gone? X-UIDL: 3bdb2dede420f30808b32e662f1b24a6 From: Chris Seward Frank, On 13-Sep-99, you wrote: > If Gateway/Amiga have ditched plans for a new Amiga why are they getting > OS3.5 ready for the market? Surely I am not so cynical to think that it > is only to raise money from us Amiga suckers to help them with their > other plans and then ditch us after they have squeezed one last drop out > of us??? Well everyone else has done it why not add another to the line. No one really knows what is going on except whoever is at Gateway and Amiga and i guess they don't know either ;) It wouldn't make sence for Gateway to just use the name because it would hold nothing for us Amiga users slapped on another box which is just an internet-tv setup. I don't even think those Internet-TV jobbies do very well as computer prices drop and everything that is anything comes bundled with a modem there is no use for them. If they want to make something else then they could use any name because Amiga (the name) does not hold much respect these days apart from us Amigans so it would not give anything a head start. Why would they pay for the rights and just use a name, they can make a new name which would be free and they wouldn't exactly use the 'old' Amiga technology so basically they will have wasted a few million dollers. I for one am never going to use a PC because my Amiga does alot of things I want it to do. Some people say they can't see themselves using the Amiga in 5 - 10 years but we've been using basically the same Amigas from 1994 so why not? I don't think I can see myself using anything else. I'm not even sure i'd want to use a new Amiga if it ever came out because it would be 'nothing' like our current Amigas and maybe thats just our problem, we want something the same but want it to change which is never going to happen. Its stick with the Amiga or get a PC, I don't think i can ever see any other way, its been like that for so long i'm used to it. Tweedle Peep! -- Chris Seward - Editor, Amiga Information Online *URL* : http://www.aio.co.uk - Email : chris@aio.co.uk - ICQ : 41724074 *Phone* : +44 (0) 7887 664915 - *ACS* : AIOeditor - *IRC* : AIOeditor Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- GRAB THE GATOR! FREE SOFTWARE DOES ALL THE TYPING FOR YOU! Tired of filling out forms and remembering passwords? Gator fills in forms and passwords with just one click! Comes with $50 in free coupons! http://www.onelist.com/ad/gator1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From amiga@thefree.net Wed Sep 15 20:01:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.135.253]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA06284 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 20:30:45 +0100 Received: (qmail 32767 invoked by alias); 15 Sep 1999 20:28:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 32717 invoked from network); 15 Sep 1999 20:28:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fdn.co.uk) (195.34.192.6) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 1999 20:28:35 -0000 Received: from thefree.net [195.34.200.77] by fdn.co.uk (SMTPD32-4.07) id A3891F4E0176; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 20:29:13 +0000 From: Chris Seward To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 20:01:40 +0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Subject: [just-amiga] Amiga Format 128 issue & CD anyone? X-UIDL: 59f05d90e486bf892102a4708211379f From: Chris Seward All, I have two copies of Amiga Format issue 128 the CD version. One copy hasn't been touched and the CD is even still taped to the front of the issue. Its of no use to me the untouched copy so if anyone wants it then you can have it for £1. It's better if your in the UK but I may consider sending it if your outside the uk. The £1 is to just cover the postage costs and I will return any other money if it costs less (which it should). So email me if your interested and i'll sort something out. The mag is worth £6 so if you missed it its worth contacting me. If your wondering why I have 2 copies and are doubtful then if you want I can give you the reason for that. Toodle Pip! -- Chris Seward - Editor, Amiga Information Online *URL* : http://www.aio.co.uk - Email : chris@aio.co.uk - ICQ : 41724074 *Phone* : +44 (0) 7887 664915 - *ACS* : AIOeditor - *IRC* : AIOeditor Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- GRAB THE GATOR! FREE SOFTWARE DOES ALL THE TYPING FOR YOU! Tired of filling out forms and remembering passwords? Gator fills in forms and passwords with just one click! 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X-UIDL: 617a6b9a96ed9a402d8507cd6ff9d461 From: Vytautas Hello Mike On 15-Sep-99, you wrote: > The Amiga is a computer, with a brilliant operating system, > easy to use, and easy to expand. Amiga is not a concept. I didn't buy my > Amiga for the community, I bought it for the computer. I'll agree with you here (atleast partialy). I bought AMIGA for it's capabilities *and* for the concept *how* it does the things. Later I discovered this community and everything combined is great :) I think OS, HW, the concept how everything works and last but not least community *makes* AMIGA so great. > But how is the Amiga going to keep up, if Amiga is > not going to be developing hardware? Does this mean the MCC has been > dropped? Sounds like it to me. As I understood it's true :( No AMIGA MCC :( >> But to limit Amiga to just one box, one product, one OS, is to keep >> Amiga from ever seeing its full potential. ??????? Aparently this 'pRESIDENT' doesn't know what to write. >> So long live Amiga, but if you think that Amiga was just a box, you've > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> missed the point. AmigaInc. president is laughing at as ? What the f*** does he means by that ? 'Long live gATEWAYoBJECTS (aka amigaobjects)'. 'Long live software running on top of sux'2000' Or ... Maybe I missed the point ? > Amiga > has turned it's back on us. What's going to happen to OS5 with it's > Linux kernal. Has everything we've been told about just been dropped? Sounds like it was dropped :( Anyway heard those newamiga talks for some time. Remember A/Box, PreBox (or smth), MMC and bla bla bla. Everytime they say it's going to be a revolution. Everytime I *WAS* dissapointed. Now MCC is gone and some thing Aminos showed up. In any way I'm going to wait for it :) I'll be using my AMIGA. Maybe in a year or two I'll get a pC (but only if I'll need it). Now I don't need it and mostly *I don't want it*. Regards, Vytas -- "Windows 95: n. 32-bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit OS originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition." Mailed from AMIGA OS3.1 WB3.1 with YetAnotherMailer Freeware --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- New!! Free E-mail @mail.com, @usa.com, @engineer.com and more! Mail.com makes it easy to set up a free, personalized e-mail address that you can access anytime and anywhere. http://www.onelist.com/ad/mailcom1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From jyork@voyager.net Wed Sep 15 23:26:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.233]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA08212 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 22:29:54 +0100 Received: (qmail 26872 invoked by alias); 15 Sep 1999 22:28:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 26855 invoked from network); 15 Sep 1999 22:28:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail1.voyager.net) (209.153.128.76) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 1999 22:28:13 -0000 Received: from voyager.net (root@as2-dial23.pntc.mi.voyager.net [209.153.138.151]) by mail1.voyager.net (8.9.1/Voyager-MailX) with SMTP id SAA25720 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 18:35:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Jack York To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 18:26:09 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [020] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Zip mounting X-UIDL: bbf0de07e3af073f6fdb1fac6503b988 From: Jack York Hello, I've changed something somewhere and now my zip disks won't auto- mount. I have a mountlist in devs:. I don't recall changing anything to do with this but I must have since it worked before. Does anyone know what I need to do to get the drive to recognize disk changes? If I mount them manually (using SCSIMounter) they mount ok. Jack --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- New!! Free E-mail @mail.com, @usa.com, @engineer.com and more! Mail.com makes it easy to set up a free, personalized e-mail address that you can access anytime and anywhere. http://www.onelist.com/ad/mailcom1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From amiga@thefree.net Thu Sep 16 19:37:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.235]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA22960 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 18:52:43 +0100 Received: (qmail 20131 invoked by alias); 16 Sep 1999 18:50:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 20068 invoked from network); 16 Sep 1999 18:50:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO homer.thefree.net) (195.34.192.14) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 1999 18:50:51 -0000 Received: from thefree.net (fdn.8358@nas01-200.30.thefree.net [195.34.200.30]) by homer.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA02953 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 20:23:25 +0100 From: Chris Seward To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 19:37:03 +0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] 15-23 pin VGA adaptor? X-UIDL: 1f9e024420afebc5f96a4e674171b54d From: Chris Seward All, I've had this question sent into thee 'general@aio.co.uk' address and wondered if anyone knew where you could get one from? "I`m trying to get hold of a 15 - 23 pin VGA adapter for my A1200 and wondered if you cold tell me where I could get one Thanks for your help " I've told him to try Eyetech but if anyone knows of a place that has one for certain then let me know please. Toodle Pip! -- Chris Seward - Editor, Amiga Information Online *URL* : http://www.aio.co.uk - Email : chris@aio.co.uk - ICQ : 41724074 *Phone* : +44 (0) 7887 664915 - *ACS* : AIOeditor - *IRC* : AIOeditor Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- GRAB THE GATOR! FREE SOFTWARE DOES ALL THE TYPING FOR YOU! Tired of filling out forms and remembering passwords? Gator fills in forms and passwords with just one click! Comes with $50 in free coupons! http://www.onelist.com/ad/gator1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From bunton@acay.com.au Fri Sep 17 02:21:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.205]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA27889 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 03:47:10 +0100 Received: (qmail 18495 invoked by alias); 17 Sep 1999 03:44:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 12593 invoked from network); 17 Sep 1999 02:20:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hamtic.acay.com.au) (203.7.132.2) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 1999 02:20:32 -0000 Received: from acay.com.au (acay01912223.acay.com.au [203.19.122.23]) by acay.com.au (8.9.3+3.2W/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA10290; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:21:05 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <37E1A58F.E9550444@acay.com.au> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:21:03 +1000 From: Frank Bunton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,en-GB,en-US To: just-amiga@onelist.com, mickeyc@ukonline.co.uk References: <19990915134351.0DE78DB08D@kiwi.mail.easynet.net> Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [just-amiga] Executive Update response. X-UIDL: 1df4e2570037e09d9bf68209afa024b4 From: Frank Bunton Mike Cardwell wrote: > *Reply to quotes from the Executive Update (14/09/99)* > > N.B. If you read the whole thing, and have followed Amiga for the last > few months, then you'd understand why I seem to over react a little > here. I don't know what Schmidt had been smoking when he wrote it, but > he needs to come back down to Earth. > ... big snip ... Your whole e-mail is very well stated. My sentiments exactly and probably those of many more. > I guess G4/QNIX are our only hope now. But will any third party company > take the risk of developing an Amiga with the specs we were promised, at > such a low price? I don't think so. :( How many more coffin nails can Amiga withstand before the final one is reach? With comments like these coming from Thomas J. Schmidt how many more 3rd party Amiga developers will be dropping out? > P.S. Sorry to be so negative. Maybe - but so very realistic. And so necessary to state these thoughts. > It's just so frustrating to listen to so > many promises, start to believe them, and then realise they were all > lies. Quite so - how long now since Commodore dropped out? And so often our hopes were raised over the years since then only to be dashed down again. How much longer can ardent Amiga users maintain their ardour???? -- ------------------------------------------------ From:- Frank Bunton E-mail:- mailto:bunton@acay.com.au Web:- http://www.acay.com.au/~bunton HOME OF: AmigaDOS For Beginners ARexx For Beginners How To Write AmigaGuide Docs Phone in Australia:- (02) 43 331 224 Phone ex overseas +61 2 43 331 224 Member of Team *Amiga* Worldwide http://web.wt.net/~gpeake/teamamiga.html ------------------------------------------------ --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- GET WHAT YOU DESERVE! A NextCard Platinum VISA: DOUBLE Rewards points, NO annual fee & rates as low as 9.9 percent FIXED APR. 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Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From stead@reaperman.demon.co.uk Fri Sep 17 04:03:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.237]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA28046 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 04:15:17 +0100 Received: (qmail 28408 invoked by alias); 17 Sep 1999 04:11:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 9048 invoked from network); 17 Sep 1999 04:03:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO finch-post-10.mail.demon.net) (194.217.242.38) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 1999 04:03:58 -0000 Received: from reaperman.demon.co.uk ([193.237.79.102]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11RpFc-00045v-0A for just-amiga@onelist.com; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 04:03:56 +0000 From: "P.Steadman" To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 05:03:46 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [020] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] (no subject) X-UIDL: 8ac73cc5b26913117a618b3a6f24e28a From: "P.Steadman" hello all "Amiga users" this is my first message on just-amiga cos i'm the quiet type but i just had to have a rant and the lads at work look at me like some sort of looney when i ramble on about corporate betrayal, broken promises, that relay just blew up, er no sorry they expect me to say that. anyway you get the picture you probably get similar looks especially if youre a window dresser and you say the relay one. anyway here i go. */rant begin/* Amiga inc. have always had secret partners, can't say too much, loose lips sink chips etc. now they say that they will not be producing hardware, but will become a software company, working with "business partners". Who the hell are these "business partners"?. are they always the same business partners or are they new business partners each time?. why wont they tell us who these people are? On the face of it, Amiga inc. seem to have a talent for choosing bum companies for business partners and they must be aware of the ultimate "bum"ness of these companies or they wouldn't be keeping them out of sight. the only company they have announced a partnership with, QNX, was dropped when it looked like being a possible success story. hopes dashed yet again, look at the record of this company, leak story to amiga press that PPC will be the next amiga processor, allow sufficient time for programmers and hardware manufacturers to get PPC projects underway then, just at the right moment, announce to the world that the new amiga processor is a secret but we'll give you a clue, its not the PPC, go extremely quiet for a long time,(hinting about secret deals), announce deal with QNX, subtly hint at PPC version of OS5 QNX style, wait for PPC market to pick up again, announce end of deal with QNX and great new deal with with that well known secret company, transmeta hinted at, the boss quits(never a good sign),the newly ex boss offloads 100,000 shares in company(thats probably a really bad sign), finally announce that the new processor has finally been selected and it will be non-existent, this seemingly magical device operates purely on a mental level its specifications are quoted as the highest number you can think of +1. well, we can dream can't we. apparently, for seven years now i have been operating under some delusion that i was using a computer, silly me, it was a philosophy i was typing on, no, it was more than that it was an ideal, a better way, ha, these people are all leading us down the garden path right the way to the (bill) gates, now they dont even conceal the fact, well, from now on i couldnt give a toss what they say, if they produce something worthwhile i might just look it over, but it might just be running on a fast pentium in which case we may as well all go out and buy one tomorrow (Gateway do some nice ones, co-incidentally), maybe run an amiga emulator or something, and if the emulator for the best computer that NEVER existed comes along from amigasoft,(system requirements:- Windows 95, USS Enterprise main computer) we can all get ourselves into an Amiga frenzy and the boys at gateway can pat themselves on the back after the success of their two year strategy long live Amiga, thats what they say to us, but what did they license first? the OS for amiga forever, the UAE package for PC use. think about it. parent company- major PC manufacturer allows small offshoot company to produce superior computer systems with the ultimate aim of destroying parent company's market. sound feasible, nope , the new amiga system must operate on parent company's machines or it will not be produced. the secret partners would appear to be ..... it is now clear that we have been cut adrift in an open boat, so to speak, i for one am glad that the waiting is over (dont believe them again) and the money i have put aside for the new amiga can be put to good use upgrading my miggy even further, the better way is already at my fingertips it may not run at supersonic speeds compared to a PC but i reckon i can produce quicker with an amiga cos its easier to use(thats my philosophy). and there's one thing the PC will never have, AmiNet, remember the days when we didn't have this type of software or that picture format didn't work, you cant run this bloated game on an amiga cos they aint got hard drives, no sound cards outside of big box machines, endless lists of limitations, look about you now there aint much we cant do with the miggy, obviously 1.3 Amiga 500 systems are going to struggle a bit but there is plenty of life left in the old A1200 yet just keep giving it the silicon injections 8) */rant end/* i leave you with a lighthearted biblical thought, draw your own parallels, the bible predicts that at the end of the world, the beast will rule the earth, only 144,000 people will be saved and go on to live in paradise, these 144,000 people will be the only ones not to bear the mark of the beast, how many Amiga users did you say there were ? 144,000 ? Could God be an Amiga user 8) 144,001 ? Keep on "Amiga"ing Stead P.S. do you resent "That firm" christening us "Amigans" cos i bloody well do. Personally i'm not ready to give up being an "Amiga User" just yet and if i ever do decide to give up my miggy i may as well just go and commit macintosh 8). --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- GET WHAT YOU DESERVE! A NextCard Platinum VISA: DOUBLE Rewards points, NO annual fee & rates as low as 9.9 percent FIXED APR. Apply online today! Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From colstv@hotkey.net.au Fri Sep 17 15:44:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.135.229]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA04924 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 16:13:04 +0100 Received: (qmail 23602 invoked by alias); 17 Sep 1999 16:11:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 23592 invoked from network); 17 Sep 1999 16:11:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au) (203.58.52.2) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 1999 16:11:03 -0000 Received: from hotkey.net.au (maroochydore-as-dial-42.qld.hotkey.net.au [203.58.52.45]) by maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA18118 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 02:11:18 +1000 (EST) From: Colin Wenzel To: Chris Seward Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 01:44:26 +1000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: [just-amiga] 15-23 pin VGA adaptor? X-UIDL: e4d5223ea61a12b140bb1ef9e1cbd44b From: Colin Wenzel It is just an cmos invertor chip that turns the horizontal & vertical sync upside down. It draws the power directly from the supplies available on the video port, I dont know where you get one, but any tv technicial could throw one together on a piece of veroboard for you, in half an hour.... On 17-Sep-99, Chris Seward wrote: >From: Chris Seward >All, >I've had this question sent into thee 'general@aio.co.uk' address and >wondered if anyone knew where you could get one from? >"I`m trying to get hold of a 15 - 23 pin VGA adapter for my A1200 and >wondered >if you cold tell me where I could get one Thanks for your help " >I've told him to try Eyetech but if anyone knows of a place that has >one for certain then let me know please. >Toodle Pip! >-- >Chris Seward - Editor, Amiga Information Online >*URL* : http://www.aio.co.uk - Email : chris@aio.co.uk - ICQ : 41724074 >*Phone* : +44 (0) 7887 664915 - *ACS* : AIOeditor - *IRC* : AIOeditor >Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga >--------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > GRAB THE GATOR! FREE SOFTWARE DOES ALL THE TYPING FOR YOU! >Tired of filling out forms and remembering passwords? Gator fills in >forms and passwords with just one click! 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Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From wmaddock@icon-stl.net Fri Sep 17 23:23:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.237]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA10138 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 22:33:26 +0100 Received: (qmail 17879 invoked by alias); 17 Sep 1999 22:31:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 17871 invoked from network); 17 Sep 1999 22:31:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO icon-stl.net) (199.217.153.1) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 1999 22:31:48 -0000 Received: from icon-40.icon-stl.net (wmaddock@icon-40.icon-stl.net [199.217.231.40]) by icon-stl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA10589 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 17:32:04 -0500 (CDT) Date: 17 Sep 99 17:23:38 -0600 From: "William F. Maddock" To: "Frank Bunton" In-Reply-To: <37E1A58F.E9550444@acay.com.au> Message-ID: <2163.929T1936T10434017wmaddock@icon-stl.net> X-Mailer: THOR 2.6 (Amiga;TCP/IP) Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [just-amiga] Executive Update response. X-UIDL: b8bc491ad2a2f89ba638252995ff6a6d From: "William F. Maddock" On 16-Sep-99 20:21:03 bunton@acay.com.au Frank Bunton wrote: >From: Frank Bunton >Mike Cardwell wrote: >> *Reply to quotes from the Executive Update (14/09/99)* >> >> N.B. If you read the whole thing, and have followed Amiga for the >> last few months, then you'd understand why I seem to over react a >> little here. I don't know what Schmidt had been smoking when he wrote >> it, but he needs to come back down to Earth. >Your whole e-mail is very well stated. My sentiments exactly and >probably those of many more. >> I guess G4/QNIX are our only hope now. But will any third party >> company take the risk of developing an Amiga with the specs we were >> promised, at such a low price? I don't think so. :( >How many more coffin nails can Amiga withstand before the final one is >reach? >With comments like these coming from Thomas J. Schmidt how many more >3rd party Amiga developers will be dropping out? >> P.S. Sorry to be so negative. >Maybe - but so very realistic. And so necessary to state these >thoughts. >> It's just so frustrating to listen to so >> many promises, start to believe them, and then realise they were all >> lies. >Quite so - how long now since Commodore dropped out? And so often our >hopes were raised over the years since then only to be dashed down >again. How much longer can ardent Amiga users maintain their ardour???? The Phoenix Platform Consortium has their attention, and according to his latest statement, Amiga is interested in licensing to companies interested in developing a next generation Amiga desktop/tower system/OS. They are not interested in competing with hardware vendors that they may wish to license to. I think they see it as kind of biting the hand(s) that might be feeding them. -- William F. Maddock ICQ:14668944 http://www.icon-stl.net/~wmaddock Time: 17-Sep-99 17:20:25 CDT Jesus Saves mailto:wmaddock@icon-stl.net St. Louis, Missouri, USA ftp://ftp.icon-stl.net/users/wmaddock Team AMIGA Written using THOR 2.6 Registered User Number 1621 -- Genesis 8:14 By the twenty-seventh day of the second month the earth was completely dry. --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Celebrate the NEW ONElist! Enter to win a trip to Hawaii! Go to: Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From amiga@thefree.net Sat Sep 18 02:53:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.243]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA15134 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 11:01:24 +0100 Received: (qmail 30879 invoked by alias); 18 Sep 1999 10:59:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 30866 invoked from network); 18 Sep 1999 10:59:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO homer.thefree.net) (195.34.192.14) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 1999 10:59:51 -0000 Received: from thefree.net (AIOeditor@nas01-200.232.thefree.net [195.34.200.232]) by homer.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA05302 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 12:32:34 +0100 From: Chris Seward To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 02:53:39 +0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Amiga Format drops again! X-UIDL: 81c4e400b3d8c7514276b6de69dd8f44 From: Chris Seward Reader, When Amiga Format published there last reader figures it had dropped around 4000 readers which i mentioned in AIO and said something along the lines that I will wait to see the next figure. Issue 129 is now out (to subscribers) and the new figure is, 13,264 readers whereas the last was 14,644 so the readership has lost over 1000 readers. This is again bad but it is a smaller drop from last time which hopefully means it will now level out and stay at a certain amount. Toodle Pip! -- Chris Seward - Editor, Amiga Information Online *URL* : http://www.aio.co.uk - Email : chris@aio.co.uk - ICQ : 41724074 *Phone* : +44 (0) 7887 664915 - *ACS* : AIOeditor - *IRC* : AIOeditor Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! 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Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From sandy@brownlee99.freeserve.co.uk Sat Sep 18 11:15:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.31]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA15256 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 11:18:30 +0100 Received: (qmail 23854 invoked by alias); 18 Sep 1999 11:16:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 23848 invoked from network); 18 Sep 1999 11:16:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail11.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.23) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 1999 11:16:39 -0000 Received: from modem-39.hafnium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.35.167] helo=brownlee99.freeserve.co.uk ident=Sanderson) by mail11.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11SIU6-0001jW-00 for just-amiga@onelist.com; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 12:16:51 +0100 From: Sandy Brownlee To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 12:15:15 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [040] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Amiga Format drops again! X-UIDL: 7c45b8b069abebd66e6feabfbcb30da6 From: Sandy Brownlee Hello Chris On 18-Sep-99, you wrote: > 13,264 readers whereas the last was 14,644 so the readership has > lost over 1000 readers. > > This is again bad but it is a smaller drop from last time which hopefully > means it will now level out and stay at a certain amount. There is at least that. The question is, how much further does it need to drop b4 it goes the way of CU, AUI and all the rest? I've been hoping that they only had to hold on for MCC, then sales should start to rise again with all the new Amiga users- but this isn't looking so certain. Why is it that every piece of Amiga related news is bad? Regards from a rather down Sandy Brownlee ----------------------------- Who else would have a sig like this? --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! 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Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From ianurie@jwu.u-net.com Sat Sep 18 18:14:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.207]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA15897 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 12:34:51 +0100 Received: (qmail 12519 invoked by alias); 18 Sep 1999 12:32:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 12512 invoked from network); 18 Sep 1999 12:32:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mserv1a.u-net.net) (195.102.240.34) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 1999 12:32:58 -0000 Received: from [195.102.201.225] (helo=p97.nas4.is5.u-net.net) by mserv1a.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #61) id 11SJh1-0000tS-00 for just-amiga@onelist.com; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 13:34:16 +0100 Date: 18 Sep 99 13:14:53 -0500 From: "Ian Urie" To: "Chris Seward" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1155.930T2656T7946187ianurie@jwu.u-net.com> Organization: At Home X-Installer: Wirenet 1.8 X-Mailer: THOR 2.6 (Amiga;TCP/IP) Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [just-amiga] Amiga Format drops again! X-UIDL: da8af6c9da59e9821e685abb1c70cbbe From: "Ian Urie" On 17-Sep-99 21:53:39, Chris Seward said about [just-amiga] Amiga Format drops again!: > From: Chris Seward > Reader, > When Amiga Format published there last reader figures it had dropped > around 4000 readers which i mentioned in AIO and said something along > the lines that I will wait to see the next figure. > Issue 129 is now out (to subscribers) and the new figure is, > 13,264 readers whereas the last was 14,644 so the readership has > lost over 1000 readers. > This is again bad but it is a smaller drop from last time which hopefully > means it will now level out and stay at a certain amount. > Toodle Pip! With the recent news ,I expect Amiga Format figures to go below 10k next issue and to go belly up soon after. Unless there is some very good news soon,I don't expect anyone left by next year. :( Emulation anyone ??? Since all the previous news was that we would run "classic" software via emulation anyway,its not too big a step to move to another platform . -- Ian Urie Uin:19729444 ... You have diabetes, the doctor said sweetly. --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From andrewcrowe@enterprise.net Sat Sep 18 14:29:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.221]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA16459 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 13:33:44 +0100 Received: (qmail 30072 invoked by alias); 18 Sep 1999 13:32:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 30057 invoked from network); 18 Sep 1999 13:32:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.enterprise.net) (194.72.192.18) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 1999 13:32:28 -0000 Received: from enterprise.net (andrewcrowe@max06-020.enterprise.net [194.72.197.80]) by mail.enterprise.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA06060 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 14:32:20 +0100 (GMT/BST) From: Andrew Crowe To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 14:29:30 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1155.930T2656T7946187ianurie@jwu.u-net.com> X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [040] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Amiga Format drops again! X-UIDL: 6452147c6078dd7d0ad2086739004bd2 From: Andrew Crowe Hi Everybody, > Emulation anyone ??? nah, sod that, Uae isn't /that/ good. > Since all the previous news was that we would run "classic" > software via emulation anyway,its not too big a step to move > to another platform . Why not just get another platform anyway? There's no rule to say you can't have an Amiga and, say, a PC is there? I've had a PC for ages and I couldn't be without it anymore (well, ironically I am; 'cos it broke and is being fixed, but anyway :) I still have my amiga because I like using it better then a PC. If you want a better supported computer, get one. See ya :) -- Manta Soft - Amiga programing & web page designing Http://members.tripod.com/~mantasoft/ ICQ: 21829166 Homepage updated 5/8/99 --- James Bond on GFX Card & CPU players! - ------------------- Quote of the day: -------------------- - Anyone can make mistakes, but only an idiot persists in his error. -- Cicero --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From wm.fleming@free4all.co.uk Sat Sep 18 14:36:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.227]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA18316 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 16:47:00 +0100 Received: (qmail 19184 invoked by alias); 18 Sep 1999 16:45:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 19175 invoked from network); 18 Sep 1999 16:45:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.jakinternet.co.uk) (212.41.41.61) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 1999 16:45:52 -0000 Received: from 194.131.244.8 ([194.131.244.8]) by smtp.jakinternet.co.uk ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 17:33:40 -0000 From: "William Fleming" Organization: Private User Date: 18 Sep 99 14:36:14 +0000 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <37E1A58F.E9550444@acay.com.au> To: just-amiga@onelist.com X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS NC 1.2 [NC2-#000002BA] Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [just-amiga] Executive Update response. X-UIDL: 2ba6638e2742b27dfe399f675a949196 From: "William Fleming" Hi All! Frank Bunton Wrote > How many more coffin nails can Amiga withstand before the final one is > reach? More than likely, IWIN will be the final nail to be hammer into the coffin. They sound to good to be true. Amiga(or is it Gateway?) & IWIN should get together and publish fairytales. I am now at the stage of investigating the latest PC's and bought a PC mag to find out what is happening in their world. Imagine the shock I got when I discover a 13Gb hard drive I bought recently was a £100 cheaper in that mag. Pass me the valium! William Fleming. --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- New!! Free E-mail @mail.com, @usa.com, @engineer.com and more! Mail.com makes it easy to set up a free, personalized e-mail address that you can access anytime and anywhere. http://www.onelist.com/ad/mailcom1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From wm.fleming@free4all.co.uk Sat Sep 18 18:35:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.227]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA18884 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 17:40:55 +0100 Received: (qmail 8215 invoked by alias); 18 Sep 1999 17:39:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 8197 invoked from network); 18 Sep 1999 17:39:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.jakinternet.co.uk) (212.41.41.61) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 1999 17:39:44 -0000 Received: from 194.131.242.171 ([194.131.242.171]) by smtp.jakinternet.co.uk ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 18:27:31 -0000 From: "William Fleming" Organization: Private User Date: 18 Sep 99 18:35:20 +0000 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: To: just-amiga@onelist.com X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS NC 1.2 [NC2-#000002BA] Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [just-amiga] Amiga Format drops again! X-UIDL: dbff12d5c238944aff37c5269e903355 From: "William Fleming" Hi All, Chris Seward wrote, > When Amiga Format published there last reader figures it had dropped > around 4000 readers which i mentioned in AIO and said something along > the lines that I will wait to see the next figure. > > Issue 129 is now out (to subscribers) and the new figure is, > > 13,264 readers whereas the last was 14,644 so the readership has > lost over 1000 readers. Got to say with present situation I will not be renewing subscription to Amiga Format. So when it runs out early next year, that it! I am also holding out from updating various bits of software.(Netconnect3, PFS3,(sorry Tim) etc.) Looks unlikely I ever will upgrade unless there is a dramatic turn around for the Amiga . Intend buying a PC early next year. This will co-exist with along my miggy. It will still be around my home for quite a while yet. Seen the latest Amiga emulator on the PC and is looking good. According to my PC friends, updates for it are arriving weekly. William Fleming --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- New!! Free E-mail @mail.com, @usa.com, @engineer.com and more! Mail.com makes it easy to set up a free, personalized e-mail address that you can access anytime and anywhere. http://www.onelist.com/ad/mailcom1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From sw@nysa.u-net.com Sat Sep 18 18:07:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.243]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA19158 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 18:09:29 +0100 Received: (qmail 22314 invoked by alias); 18 Sep 1999 18:08:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 22308 invoked from network); 18 Sep 1999 18:08:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO serv1.is1.u-net.net) (195.102.240.129) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 1999 18:08:01 -0000 Received: from [195.102.200.15] (helo=nysa.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for just-amiga@onelist.com id 11SOn7-0004rf-00; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 18:00:53 +0000 From: Stephen Williams To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 19:07:37 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 (AmigaOS) - http://www.yam.ch/ X-Pokemon: Kadabra X-Zero-Hour: in 470 days, 4 hours, 52 minutes Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Executive Update response. X-UIDL: 113bc23683c64f4dad56b44c45e3921d From: Stephen Williams William Fleming wrote: > I am now at the stage of investigating the latest PC's and bought a PC > mag to find out what is happening in their world. What is happening is the same as has been happening for years - Microsoft continue to dominate the scene with their second-rate software and unethical business practices. When my Amiga gives up the ghost *pats keyboard, hopefully not soon* I haven't a clue what I'll replace it with. I don't want Microsoft software or Intel hardware. I don't want a Mac. BeOS looks quite interesting, actually. I will give up computing rather than giving Microsoft a penny. -Stephen -- [[ http://www.nysa.u-net.com/ ]] --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- New!! Free E-mail @mail.com, @usa.com, @engineer.com and more! Mail.com makes it easy to set up a free, personalized e-mail address that you can access anytime and anywhere. http://www.onelist.com/ad/mailcom1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From gavilan@sinectis.com.ar Sat Sep 18 19:25:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.229]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA20049 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 19:40:46 +0100 Received: (qmail 9493 invoked by alias); 18 Sep 1999 19:39:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 9479 invoked from network); 18 Sep 1999 19:39:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ix2.sinectis.com.ar) (200.16.183.6) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 1999 19:39:41 -0000 Received: from gavilanpollero (modem90-tc4.sinectis.com.ar [200.41.134.150]) by ix2.sinectis.com.ar (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA26699; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 16:37:47 -0300 Message-ID: <00a001bf020d$2cfd6e60$098729c8@gavilanpollero> From: "GavilanPollero" To: "afb" Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 16:25:54 -0300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [just-amiga] Power Flyer X-UIDL: ec9ffd1db302eb03f3459a929a70652c From: "GavilanPollero" Hello people!! BIG THANKS TO ALL OF YOU who helped me with my little problem concerning my Power Flyer... Now im using it perfectly with my Seagate 3,2 hd running in PIO 4 mode Once again..thank you a lot people Kind Regards Sebastian -------------------------------------G4vil4n P0ll3r0-------------------------------------------- Amiga 1200T - 48 megas - HD Seagate 4,3 - Modem Motorola 56 k Blizzard 1230 050 - Blizzard SCSI kit - Monitor Commodore 1942 CD-R Pioneer 16x - CD-W Teac 55RS - MIDI - DSS8+ - Zip Plus - -------------------------------------Gavilan Pollero--------------------------------------------- --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- New!! Free E-mail @mail.com, @usa.com, @engineer.com and more! Mail.com makes it easy to set up a free, personalized e-mail address that you can access anytime and anywhere. http://www.onelist.com/ad/mailcom1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From gavilan@sinectis.com.ar Sat Sep 18 19:29:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.31]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA20053 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 19:40:51 +0100 Received: (qmail 15171 invoked by alias); 18 Sep 1999 19:38:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 15116 invoked from network); 18 Sep 1999 19:38:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ix2.sinectis.com.ar) (200.16.183.6) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 1999 19:38:46 -0000 Received: from gavilanpollero (modem90-tc4.sinectis.com.ar [200.41.134.150]) by ix2.sinectis.com.ar (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA26706; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 16:37:52 -0300 Message-ID: <00a101bf020d$2efc99c0$098729c8@gavilanpollero> From: "GavilanPollero" To: "afb" Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 16:29:14 -0300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [just-amiga] Supra Hard Disk for 500 X-UIDL: 20a834859113a98711c653105184e2c9 From: "GavilanPollero" Hello people..im asking for help here again... I just got a used old Supra XP 500 52 megas hd for my old trusty 500...but its not working... I know it has to be related with the jumper settings. I ask here if anyone here knows how to set those jumpers so it will work in my miggy... any help will be well appreciated Kind Regards Sebastian -------------------------------------G4vil4n P0ll3r0-------------------------------------------- Amiga 1200T - 48 megas - HD Seagate 4,3 - Modem Motorola 56 k Blizzard 1230 050 - Blizzard SCSI kit - Monitor Commodore 1942 CD-R Pioneer 16x - CD-W Teac 55RS - MIDI - DSS8+ - Zip Plus - -------------------------------------Gavilan Pollero--------------------------------------------- --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From gavilan@sinectis.com.ar Sat Sep 18 19:33:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.159]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA20101 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 19:48:59 +0100 Received: (qmail 16014 invoked by alias); 18 Sep 1999 19:39:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 15786 invoked from network); 18 Sep 1999 19:38:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ix2.sinectis.com.ar) (200.16.183.6) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 1999 19:38:54 -0000 Received: from gavilanpollero (modem90-tc4.sinectis.com.ar [200.41.134.150]) by ix2.sinectis.com.ar (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA26714; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 16:37:55 -0300 Message-ID: <00a201bf020d$312e1fc0$098729c8@gavilanpollero> From: "GavilanPollero" To: "afb" Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 16:33:09 -0300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [just-amiga] G-LOCK X-UIDL: affe4f724c1235f6037b7c085ac7a436 From: "GavilanPollero" hello people...once again here asking for help :-o)))) I have a friend that wants to buy a used G-Lock...the problem is that it comes with NO manual, NO software and it seems that it doesnt have one of the cables...the cable that is there is the one that is plugged in the joystick port..so i wonder where could i find the software/manuals and what kind of cable is missing??? Kind regards Sebastian -------------------------------------G4vil4n P0ll3r0-------------------------------------------- Amiga 1200T - 48 megas - HD Seagate 4,3 - Modem Motorola 56 k Blizzard 1230 050 - Blizzard SCSI kit - Monitor Commodore 1942 CD-R Pioneer 16x - CD-W Teac 55RS - MIDI - DSS8+ - Zip Plus - -------------------------------------Gavilan Pollero--------------------------------------------- --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- New!! Free E-mail @mail.com, @usa.com, @engineer.com and more! Mail.com makes it easy to set up a free, personalized e-mail address that you can access anytime and anywhere. http://www.onelist.com/ad/mailcom1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From amiga@thefree.net Sat Sep 18 18:08:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.207]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA20254 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 20:03:42 +0100 Received: (qmail 14775 invoked by alias); 18 Sep 1999 20:01:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 14762 invoked from network); 18 Sep 1999 20:01:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO homer.thefree.net) (195.34.192.14) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 1999 20:01:34 -0000 Received: from thefree.net (AIOeditor@nas03-197.76.thefree.net [195.34.197.76]) by homer.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA17945 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 21:34:55 +0100 From: Chris Seward To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 18:08:28 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1155.930T2656T7946187ianurie@jwu.u-net.com> X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: [just-amiga] Amiga Format drops again! X-UIDL: 5bf346534ca6d5aab13f54ac7dd2f8a4 From: Chris Seward Ian, On 18-Sep-99, you wrote: > Unless there is some very good news soon,I don't expect > anyone left by next year. :( Well I will be for sure if no new Amiga is released. I will not be using a PC because i have no use for it, I can give a 95% promise that AIO will still be going in a year if a new Amiga appears or not and I will still be a 100% Amiga user. There is not alot more you will beable to do with a computer so the Amiga does what I want, the only things i miss is some internet applications like Java and official products, also readvideo etc. The rest I can live with or without. > Since all the previous news was that we would run "classic" > software via emulation anyway,its not too big a step to move > to another platform . Whats the point? You can use your Amiga and a PC, the emulation will never be the 'real' Amiga experience. Regards -- Chris Seward - Editor, Amiga Information Online *URL* : http://www.aio.co.uk - Email : chris@aio.co.uk - ICQ : 41724074 *Phone* : +44 (0) 7887 664915 - *ACS* : AIOeditor - *IRC* : AIOeditor Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- New!! Free E-mail @mail.com, @usa.com, @engineer.com and more! Mail.com makes it easy to set up a free, personalized e-mail address that you can access anytime and anywhere. http://www.onelist.com/ad/mailcom1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From amiga@thefree.net Sat Sep 18 19:52:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.209]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA20258 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 20:03:43 +0100 Received: (qmail 10628 invoked by alias); 18 Sep 1999 20:01:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 10565 invoked from network); 18 Sep 1999 20:01:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO homer.thefree.net) (195.34.192.14) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 1999 20:01:37 -0000 Received: from thefree.net (AIOeditor@nas03-197.76.thefree.net [195.34.197.76]) by homer.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA17948 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 21:34:57 +0100 From: Chris Seward To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 19:52:05 +0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Subject: [just-amiga] UK Free ISP with a long distance dialup anybody? plz! X-UIDL: 5f4910bd8e58898b30aa0b80a5417074 From: Chris Seward Hi People in the UK, Does anyone know of a free ISP that has a long distance dialup, ie not local to 0151 or one of those 0845 or 0345 numbers. One that works with the Amiga would be nice. So if anyone knows of an ISP that is free (ie, no £10 per month) and also has a number not in 0151 please let me know, i'd be so made up :) Thanks Toodle Pip! -- Chris Seward - Editor, Amiga Information Online *URL* : http://www.aio.co.uk - Email : chris@aio.co.uk - ICQ : 41724074 *Phone* : +44 (0) 7887 664915 - *ACS* : AIOeditor - *IRC* : AIOeditor Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From amiga@thefree.net Sat Sep 18 19:53:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.211]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA20262 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 20:03:59 +0100 Received: (qmail 7276 invoked by alias); 18 Sep 1999 20:02:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 7072 invoked from network); 18 Sep 1999 20:02:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO homer.thefree.net) (195.34.192.14) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 1999 20:02:40 -0000 Received: from thefree.net (AIOeditor@nas03-197.76.thefree.net [195.34.197.76]) by homer.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA17951 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 21:34:58 +0100 From: Chris Seward To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 19:53:38 +0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] First free Amiga only ISP in the UK X-UIDL: 685cbd74acdfa0760afd1a01cdda4463 From: Chris Seward Hi all, I thought you might be interested in this. I don't know anything about it all i know is this message came from the owner to the letters email address of AIO 'Just a short note to tell you about boing th first Amiga only free isp, the address is #http://www.boing-isp.co.uk# .I run the service so if you want to talk to me the email address is aboing@punkass.com' Toodle Pip! -- Chris Seward - Editor, Amiga Information Online *URL* : http://www.aio.co.uk - Email : chris@aio.co.uk - ICQ : 41724074 *Phone* : +44 (0) 7887 664915 - *ACS* : AIOeditor - *IRC* : AIOeditor Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From eric@chernoff.org Sat Sep 18 20:38:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.135.229]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA20577 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 20:43:38 +0100 Received: (qmail 31683 invoked by alias); 18 Sep 1999 20:41:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 31606 invoked from network); 18 Sep 1999 20:41:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amiga.chernoff.org) (216.27.49.126) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 1999 20:41:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 153635816 invoked by uid 100); 18 Sep 1999 16:35:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sparc) (192.168.1.4) by 216.27.49.126 with SMTP; 18 Sep 1999 16:35:35 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 16:38:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Chernoff X-Sender: eric@sparc To: just-amiga@onelist.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: [just-amiga] Amiga Format drops again! X-UIDL: 127cb1a7125349a4671a1066c02f4c64 From: Eric Chernoff > From: Chris Seward > new Amiga is released. I will not be using a PC because i have no use > for it, I can give a 95% promise that AIO will still be going in a > > There is not alot more you will beable to do with a computer so the > Amiga does what I want, the only things i miss is some internet This is all so true! I am so tired of hearing people say that because of AmigaOS's age and lack of mainstream support that it is somehow less functional than a PC. Boulderdash! I *need* my Amiga to do the things I do. No PC is as versitile, stable, and outright fast as an Amiga (yes, I know that raytracing proves me wrong, but I don't raytrace.) I don't know if those who are about to buy a PC know what is going to happen to them. They will pay a good price to get quite a bit of power and software, and it will be fast and stable at first. That is, assuming you don't put any more software on, but Amigans are hackers, so they will install more software, and with each new program, the machine will decrease in speed by 2-5% or so. But it should level off somewhere around 45% od its original speed and stability. Both mainstream Web browsers are quite unstable -- illegal memory operations mostly. Java is decent, but adds no functionality whatsoever, and RealVideois unusable with a modem connection. Also, it doesn't behave too well if *any* other apps are running. Also, emulating an Amiga is not satisfactory at all: It is incompatible with many legacy progs, it crashes constantly, and it's incredibly slow! It's still fun, but just not like having an Amiga (I bought Amiga Forever 2.0) The biggest problem with PCs is that nothing is free. There is no Aminet with giftware and freeware and cheap shareware. Everything costs money. Download.com is decent, but nothing--no-thing--is freeware. Developers go into the Amiga for the Love of the Machine and to make cool stuff happen. Other developers go into the Windows market to make money. Hence, stuff is outrageously expensive. Except for Web Browsers, of course, but they come with more advertising that the Home Shopping Network. The hardware, while newer and a little more stable, flatly sucks. IDE is pitiful next to the vanilla SCSI in a 3000, and try adding cards to a PC. IRQs are such pains in the butt, I don't even want to start. The bottom line is that PCs look cute in the store, they even behave well the first 3 days at home, but after that they turn to crap. I know many/most of you know this, but I just few that those folks who are interested in switching to PCs need to hear this again. The closest OS to AmigaOS in my opinion is Sun Solaris, but it's hard to use. Sun stations are awesome toys, and there is free Solaris for Intel boxes. The best hardware in the world right now is coming from Apple, though, those G4 towers are super fast, super easy to upgrade and super nice. Both Suns and Apples are really pricey, though. But you get what you pay for. The only way I would ever recommend a PC is if gaming is your number one priority. That's really what PCs are good at. Otherwise, MS Word is worse than Final Writer, IE/Netscape are slower and more crash-prone than AWeb, and the networking sucks, and on and on. If you still want a PC, then I recommend Dell. Their hardware sucks the least. Avoid Compaqs and home-brews. Also avoid Toshibas. That's just asking for it. My experience is with a Dell Demension PC with 450Mhz, an HP Kayak at 300Mhz and several Toshiba laptops. I have an A3000 with a CyberStorm MkIII, which makes everything else feel like crap. Just my opinion, flame at will. -Eric > applications like Java and official products, also readvideo etc. The > rest I can live with or without. > > > Since all the previous news was that we would run "classic" > > software via emulation anyway,its not too big a step to move > > to another platform . > > Whats the point? You can use your Amiga and a PC, the emulation > will never be the 'real' Amiga experience. > > Regards > -- > Chris Seward - Editor, Amiga Information Online > *URL* : http://www.aio.co.uk - Email : chris@aio.co.uk - ICQ : 41724074 > *Phone* : +44 (0) 7887 664915 - *ACS* : AIOeditor - *IRC* : AIOeditor > Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga > > > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > > New!! 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Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From james@jackle.demon.co.uk Sat Sep 18 21:53:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.207]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA21149 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 21:56:49 +0100 Received: (qmail 2658 invoked by alias); 18 Sep 1999 21:54:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 2649 invoked from network); 18 Sep 1999 21:54:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO satsuma.mail.easynet.net) (195.40.1.44) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 1999 21:54:34 -0000 Received: from jackle.demon.co.uk (as-me2-23.easynet.co.uk [194.72.162.87]) by satsuma.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1E99D7B0B2 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 22:55:07 +0100 (BST) From: James Luscombe To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 22:53:45 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [060] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: UK Free ISP with a long distance dialup anybody? plz! X-UIDL: 613ffbf44ac710d41592fe1e12c3c09a From: James Luscombe Hello Chris On 18-Sep-99, Chris Seward wrote: > Does anyone know of a free ISP that has a long distance dialup, ie > not local to 0151 or one of those 0845 or 0345 numbers. One that > works with the Amiga would be nice. > > So if anyone knows of an ISP that is free (ie, no 10 per month) and > also has a number not in 0151 please let me know, i'd be so made > up :) Try UKOnLine, and dial up using the Easynet numbers. UKonLine are free and are basically the same company as Easynet, so you can use the Easynet news servers etc for free :-)) To find a real dial in number go to http://www.easynet.co.uk/easynet/everywhere/search.html and put in a place name that is as near/far to/from you as you need. Cheers. -- James Luscombe Amiga 3000T, 604e/200 060/50, Picasso IV james@jackle.demon.co.uk Amiga 1200, 040/40 This Tagline will self-destruct in 5 seconds! --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- New!! Free E-mail @mail.com, @usa.com, @engineer.com and more! Mail.com makes it easy to set up a free, personalized e-mail address that you can access anytime and anywhere. http://www.onelist.com/ad/mailcom1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From amiga@thefree.net Sat Sep 18 23:13:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.159]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA21310 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 22:16:44 +0100 Received: (qmail 21490 invoked by alias); 18 Sep 1999 22:14:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 21479 invoked from network); 18 Sep 1999 22:14:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO homer.thefree.net) (195.34.192.14) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 1999 22:14:40 -0000 Received: from thefree.net (AIOeditor@nas02-198.120.thefree.net [195.34.198.120]) by homer.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA20920 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 23:47:57 +0100 From: Chris Seward To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 23:13:06 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: [just-amiga] Amiga Format drops again! X-UIDL: 052e72adf3d210ef292b494a2d1e0de9 From: Chris Seward Eric, On 18-Sep-99, you wrote: >> There is not alot more you will beable to do with a computer so the >> Amiga does what I want, the only things i miss is some internet > > This is all so true! I am so tired of hearing people say that because of Err, you've taken that the wrong way my friend. I mean computers in general will progress very little because the next computer will have not so many new features no matter who makes it, i am 100% Amiga so don't think I don't love the Amiga. Regards -- Chris Seward - Editor, Amiga Information Online *URL* : http://www.aio.co.uk - Email : chris@aio.co.uk - ICQ : 41724074 *Phone* : +44 (0) 7887 664915 - *ACS* : AIOeditor - *IRC* : AIOeditor Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! 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Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From jyork@voyager.net Sun Sep 19 01:18:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.229]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA22140 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 00:23:32 +0100 Received: (qmail 4531 invoked by alias); 19 Sep 1999 00:22:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 4526 invoked from network); 19 Sep 1999 00:22:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail1.voyager.net) (209.153.128.76) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 1999 00:22:42 -0000 Received: from voyager.net (root@as1-dial91.pntc.mi.voyager.net [216.93.44.91]) by mail1.voyager.net (8.9.1/Voyager-MailX) with SMTP id UAA09222 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 20:29:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Jack York To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 20:18:39 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [020] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Changing IBrowse fonts X-UIDL: b9d2756db60553253addca6a2493f80b From: Jack York Hello, How do I change the font in IBroswe that is used to display text in the window? 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Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From jonasth@bahnhof.se Sun Sep 19 00:45:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.211]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA22289 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 00:49:35 +0100 Received: (qmail 27190 invoked by alias); 19 Sep 1999 00:48:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 27184 invoked from network); 19 Sep 1999 00:48:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sunny.bahnhof.se) (193.44.91.1) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 1999 00:48:34 -0000 Received: from holly (pm2-06.bahnhof.se [195.178.166.79]) by sunny.bahnhof.se (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA07738 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 02:47:56 +0200 (MET DST) From: "Jonas Thorell" To: Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 02:45:46 +0200 Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: [just-amiga] Amiga Format drops again! X-UIDL: 069cb20051419448ce099317f79e935c From: "Jonas Thorell" Eric Chernoff wrote: > This is all so true! I am so tired of hearing people say that because of > AmigaOS's age and lack of mainstream support that it is somehow less > functional than a PC. That depends on what you want to do, doesn't it? One thing for example: I make my living by being a network administrator, mainly with Windows NT being the server-OS. How do I add the client-based server tools I need to the Amiga? That's right, I can't. Or how about this: I need to be able to access MS-Access databases every now and then, also a non-starter on the 'Miggy. Or how about saving MS-Word files (and don't mention RTF-files since the RTF-filters in MS-Word and FinalWriter/Wordworth aren't always compatible...)? Don't get me wrong here, I really like the Amiga (I don't use the word love for inanimate objects) but some things just cannot be done with it as it is now (and vice verse). >Boulderdash! Great game isn't it... > do. No PC is as versitile, stable, and outright fast as an Amiga (yes, I > know that raytracing proves me wrong, but I don't raytrace.) Well, depends on how the PC is configured. Mine doesn't crash more than my Amiga does. Win98 on the PC and AOS 3.1 on the other. Some patches running on both too. And WindowsNT is even less crash-prone, although it isn't fool-proof (no OS is). > I don't know if those who are about to buy a PC know what is going to > happen to them. They will pay a good price to get quite a bit of power > and software, The hardware is cheap compared to a Amiga-system. The software is priced waaaay over the top. > and it will be fast and stable at first. And later, if you know what you're doing. > That is, assuming you don't put any more software on, but Amigans are hackers, so > they will install more software, and with each new program, the machine will > decrease in speed by 2-5% or so. A certain truth in it, due to the registry. It's not ALL that bad though, some software doesn't expand the registry at all or just minor and thus have a smaller impact. > Both mainstream Web browsers are quite unstable -- illegal memory > operations mostly. Unfortunately true. Or fortunately perhaps... >Java is decent, but adds no functionality whatsoever, Depends. Most Java-stuff is quite useluss but it can be put to good use. > and RealVideois unusable with a modem connection. Also, it doesn't behave > too well if *any* other apps are running. Strange that I routinely have some 10 programs running. That's the programs I constantly have a use for (that is, at work) and the computer isn't crawling. At home I don't have the need to have as many programs running at the same time. > Also, emulating an Amiga is not satisfactory at all: It most certainly is not. It works but that's about it. > The biggest problem with PCs is that nothing is free. There is no Aminet > with giftware and freeware and cheap shareware. Everything costs money. Not really. There are freeware and giftware software there too. Besides, if you don't need the latest versions some PC-mags do the same thing CU used to do: covermount older versions. > The hardware, while newer and a little more stable, flatly sucks. IDE is > pitiful next to the vanilla SCSI in a 3000, On the other hand, the SCSI in the 3000 is good for a plain SCSI-II interface. Add a decent SCSI-card to the PC and there's a stalemate on that point. > and try adding cards to a PC. Usually quite easy, although the Amiga is far superior on that account. But the PC cards are generally speaking superior in the price/perfomance ratio. I can get a TNT2 Ultra card for less money than a PicassoIV and the latter is as slow as AGA in comparison. > The bottom line is that PCs look cute in the store, they even behave well > the first 3 days at home, but after that they turn to crap. I know > many/most of you know this, but I just few that those folks who are > interested in switching to PCs need to hear this again. Why switch? Use both computers, i.e. best of both worlds. > The closest OS to AmigaOS in my opinion is Sun Solaris, but it's hard to > use. I haven't used Solaris much but how different to any other Unix-variety can it be? A good X-Window environment can do wonders. > Sun stations are awesome toys, Not very cheap though... > boxes. The best hardware in the world right now is coming from Apple, > though, those G4 towers are super fast, super easy to upgrade and super > nice. If you don't mind the clumsy operating system. > priority. That's really what PCs are good at. Otherwise, MS Word is > worse than Final Writer, IE/Netscape are slower and more crash-prone than > AWeb, and the networking sucks, and on and on. Which part of the networking? > If you still want a PC, then I recommend Dell. Their hardware sucks the > least. Avoid Compaqs and home-brews. Also avoid Toshibas. That's just > asking for it. Agreed completely! Also avoid IBM Aptivas, especially the earlier models. > My experience is with a Dell Demension PC with 450Mhz, an HP Kayak at > 300Mhz and several Toshiba laptops. I have experience with just about every laptop ever been released by IBM, several compaq laptops and about 13-14 different models of stationery machines from several brands (IBM, Compaq, Dell, Toshiba and Gateway). Oh, and some really heavy duty server-only models too, including one DEC-Alpha server. >I have an A3000 with a CyberStorm > MkIII, which makes everything else feel like crap. Ah, just what I have...almost. MKII but what the... /Jonas --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From richard@amiga.prestel.co.uk Sun Sep 19 00:21:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.229]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA22323 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 00:56:44 +0100 Received: (qmail 31573 invoked by alias); 19 Sep 1999 00:55:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 31565 invoked from network); 19 Sep 1999 00:55:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pa.scotland.net) (194.247.64.132) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 1999 00:55:55 -0000 Received: from [148.176.239.116] (helo=amiga ident=prs17788) by pa.scotland.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 11SVFu-0005CM-00 for just-amiga@onelist.com; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 01:55:03 +0100 From: Richard Lane To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 01:21:02 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [060] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Amiga Format drops again! X-UIDL: da8a5e56bb4233d0b31adf5fc540ed21 From: Richard Lane Hello Chris On 18-Sep-99, Chris Seward wrote: > From: Chris Seward > > Reader, > > When Amiga Format published there last reader figures it had dropped > around 4000 readers which i mentioned in AIO and said something along > the lines that I will wait to see the next figure. > > Issue 129 is now out (to subscribers) and the new figure is, > > 13,264 readers whereas the last was 14,644 so the readership has > lost over 1000 readers. Remember that they've been really pushing the subscriptions over the past few weeks/months though. IIRC, the subscriptions are not included in this figure, though you'd need to verify this with Future Publishing. So this figure may account for a great deal of that drop. FWIW, I still buy AF and have been every issue since late 1990. But I can understand that with more and more people going on-line that they don't feel the need to buy it as the information is woefully out of date compared to that on the net. That's not a critisisum of AF, it's the same with any mag and deadlines that have to be met. There's also the percieved cost of the mag for what it offers that other sources don't. Personally I'm in the lucky position that 6 quid every four weeks is small change. Though as I've said the news is of no interest I still buy it for several reasons. My top three below. (1) Reviews (2) Tutorials, I got a great deal out of the one that Neil Bothwick did on HTML. (3) Readers Stuff. A lot of which never appears anywhere else. -- Best Regards, Richard Lane - richard@amiga.prestel.co.uk Author: AmiNET - biz/dopus/Magnum_Opus31a.lha Magnum_Opus support site - http://www.magnumopus.co.uk Powered by *AMIGA* -- The General Theory of Relativity is too specific. --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- 150 SONGS FREE! 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Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-UIDL: 0d135c82f34d50096e283cb0863e6cfb From: Eric Chernoff > > > > This is all so true! I am so tired of hearing people say that because > of > Err, you've taken that the wrong way my friend. > I mean computers in general will progress very little because the > next computer will have not so many new features no matter who I understand what you mean and agree. I just feel that folks have a "grass-is-greener-over-there" attitude about computers and have been convinced that they are missing some great magic by their PC friends. > makes it, i am 100% Amiga so don't think I don't love the Amiga. I believe you. I didn't mean to imply that at all. I just wanted to state my opinion that the PC isn't what its cracked out to be. -Eric > > Regards > -- > Chris Seward - Editor, Amiga Information Online > *URL* : http://www.aio.co.uk - Email : chris@aio.co.uk - ICQ : 41724074 > *Phone* : +44 (0) 7887 664915 - *ACS* : AIOeditor - *IRC* : AIOeditor > Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga > > > > AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk > --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From eric@chernoff.org Sun Sep 19 02:28:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.229]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA22971 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 02:36:58 +0100 Received: (qmail 25224 invoked by alias); 19 Sep 1999 02:33:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 24776 invoked from network); 19 Sep 1999 02:33:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amiga.chernoff.org) (216.27.49.126) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 1999 02:33:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 150327152 invoked by uid 100); 18 Sep 1999 22:25:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sparc) (192.168.1.4) by 216.27.49.126 with SMTP; 18 Sep 1999 22:25:55 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 22:28:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Chernoff X-Sender: eric@sparc To: just-amiga@onelist.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: RE: [just-amiga] Amiga Format drops again! Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-UIDL: e71183337fb20419c4f43ca076792daa From: Eric Chernoff > From: "Jonas Thorell" > for example: I make my living by being a network administrator, mainly > with Windows NT being the server-OS. How do I add the client-based server > tools I need to the Amiga? That's right, I can't. Or how about this: Have you tried Samba? That makes the Amiga both a client and a server on the NT network? It can't really handle PDC stuff yet, but my wife has my Amiga's larger disk mounted as H: on her PeeCee. There are two versions of Amiga Samba: http://www.kampsax.dtu.dk/~rask/Samba/ and ftp.logicalline.de/pub I just downloaded the second one tonight and will try it out later. Samba is definitely a cool Unix port to have. As is Amiga QMail and Amiga Apache. No NetShow of course or NetMeeting, and that is important. > I need to be able to access MS-Access databases every now and then, also I haven't looked too far into the ODBC world on an Amiga. I understand, I run MySQL on my Sun Sparc Classic and I wish my Amiga could access that. There is a MSQL port for the Amiga, and it may be helpful. Still, this is a point I will gladly concede. > a non-starter on the 'Miggy. Or how about saving MS-Word files (and don't > mention RTF-files since the RTF-filters in MS-Word and FinalWriter/Wordworth > aren't always compatible...)? Very true. The only real way to use an Amiga for you would be to have ShapeShifter insalled and run Office 98 for the Mac. Having a built-in Mac would give you access to mainly mainstream tools, but you would only have to use it when necessary. I understand the need to take files to and from work. I operate with ASCII myself or do my word processing on my PowerBook from work. I still stand by the fact that FinalWriter is a great litte word processor and more than most people really need. > Well, depends on how the PC is configured. Mine doesn't crash more > than my Amiga does. Win98 on the PC and AOS 3.1 on the other. Some I really find that a little hard to believe. My Amiga did have a crashing problem until I replaced the 8520's and the Buster. Then the 060 addition sealed it. It stays on 24/7 (runs www.chernoff.org) and crashes maybe once a week on a bad piece of downloaded shareware (bad habit). > The hardware is cheap compared to a Amiga-system. The software is > priced waaaay over the top. I read somewhere that Amigas run $5 software on $3,000 machines while PCs run $3,000 software on $5 machines. Kind of funny. > > and it will be fast and stable at first. > And later, if you know what you're doing. I have yet to see anyone who has no had stability problems with their PC. I am not saying I don't believe you have it under control, but I have never seen it with my own eyes. > > decrease in speed by 2-5% or so. > A certain truth in it, due to the registry. It's not ALL that bad though, > some software doesn't expand the registry at all or just minor and thus It should *never* be that case IMHO. What I detest most about the Registry is that it is almost impossible to get an unwanted program's dropping out of the registry once its in. It's also next to impossible to get all of the dll's out too. > > and RealVideois unusable with a modem connection. Also, it doesn't behave > > too well if *any* other apps are running. > Strange that I routinely have some 10 programs running. That's the > programs I constantly have a use for (that is, at work) and the computer > isn't crawling. At home I don't have the need to have as many programs And this is video? I agree that the RealAudio runs very smooth, and it's all I really want when working (broadcast.com is awesome), but video is still on the way, I feel. > > The biggest problem with PCs is that nothing is free. There is no Aminet > > with giftware and freeware and cheap shareware. Everything costs money. > Not really. There are freeware and giftware software there too. Besides, > if you don't need the latest versions some PC-mags do the same thing > CU used to do: covermount older versions. I will take your word on it. I still believe that given a good Amiga with the full OS, you can download most of the apps you need for free. Not all, but most. > > The bottom line is that PCs look cute in the store, they even behave well > > the first 3 days at home, but after that they turn to crap. I know > > many/most of you know this, but I just few that those folks who are > > interested in switching to PCs need to hear this again. > > Why switch? Use both computers, i.e. best of both worlds. It's seem an extraordinary number of people talk about the fateful day when their Amigas go into the closet and the PC takes the desk. People seem tired of being in the weird crowd, especially since they aren't being rewarded for it. I agree with you, but I think many folks don't look at it that way. > > The closest OS to AmigaOS in my opinion is Sun Solaris, but it's hard to > I haven't used Solaris much but how different to any other Unix-variety > can it be? A good X-Window environment can do wonders. A lot. It is very, very slick, and very fast. My Sparc Classic has a mere 32 megs of RAM and a 50Mhz CPU, but it runs everything I throw at it beutifully. Is it as fast as my Amiga? Not even close! But it is very compatible, scalable, and professionally done. Sun has made a fine product in Solaris. I use Linux at work for our file/web server, and it does the job, but it really doesn't compare to our Ultra 5 which is 166 slower (500 versus 333). Of course Suns are RISC and the Linux boxe is CISC, but Solaris has a strong air of legitimacy that Linux still lacks. Plus the Common Desktop Environment is the best Unix windowing system yet. It's smooth and still fast. > > Sun stations are awesome toys, > Not very cheap though... True. Computers are a situation where you get what you pay for. Cheap equipment is available, but not very good. Suns are over most people's budget, including mine, but used Suns can be found for the same prices as used Amigas, most are cheaper. Sun themselves has a used equipment program, but you'll have better luck on Usenet. > > boxes. The best hardware in the world right now is coming from Apple, > > though, those G4 towers are super fast, super easy to upgrade and super > If you don't mind the clumsy operating system. Now that's an interesting statement coming from an NT guy! MacOS is the most inefficient, non-multitasking OS I have seen, but its also the most elegeant when it comes to the user interface. Everything about using my Mac is a true joy, and the last word I would say about it is "clumsy." In fact, I contend that Windows 95/98/NT attempts to be MacOS but fails miserably. It wants to make computers easy but really complicates matters because Windows can't handle the behind-the-curtain stuff like MacOS. With MacOS, you don't need to know anything about the guts, but with Windows, you really do, because if the GUI technique goes wrong, then fixing the problem will take an MCSE to begin to understand. > > AWeb, and the networking sucks, and on and on. > Which part of the networking? The controls are missing. I am using Miami Deluxe, and really, nothing compares to it. MiamiDx is the best networking package on any computer anywhere, anytime. It is the only GUI-driven package that puts more power in the hands of the user than a command-line package. Plus, it actually fills my A2065, and I have never seen a PC fill an Ethernet card, 10 or 100 mbs. Granted, most Amigas can't use 100 mbs cards, but I hope that will change someday. I am glad we agree and disagree on so much. You sound like someone who has learned to love NT somewhat, and I can respect that. NT is far better than Windows 9x, but it is a toy compared to Solaris or Linux. A lot of folks feel that NT is the thing to use because Unix boxes require more time and effort, but the busiest, most stressed out folks I know are NT admins. My Unix machines can run years without being touched. The Amiga lacks a lot of features, but so does every OS on the market. I feel that the Amiga doesn't lack the most important features, and so I stick with it. Perhaps if my machine is still at 50mhz when others run at 10Ghz, I will have to switch. But truthfully, Windows boxes are as slow as ever, and my Amiga gets faster with age (or maybe I am going crazy.) -eric --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- BETA TEST expertcity.com's new online, real-time, technical support service! Let our live experts help you with your computer now. IT'S FREE! ! ! Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From colstv@hotkey.net.au Sun Sep 19 04:42:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.135.229]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA23556 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 04:44:25 +0100 Received: (qmail 5245 invoked by alias); 19 Sep 1999 04:42:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 5120 invoked from network); 19 Sep 1999 04:42:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au) (203.58.52.2) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 1999 04:42:43 -0000 Received: from hotkey.net.au (maroochydore-as-dial-30.qld.hotkey.net.au [203.58.52.33]) by maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA17019 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 14:42:36 +1000 (EST) From: Colin Wenzel To: Jack York Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 14:42:57 +1000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: Re: [just-amiga] Changing IBrowse fonts Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: 75b7c9673de93f465044f9955a867d95 From: Colin Wenzel On 19-Sep-99, Jack York wrote: >From: Jack York >Hello, >How do I change the font in IBroswe that is used to display >text in the window? No matter which of the three fonts I change >in the MUI settings, the text remains very small. >Jack I have found changes won't take place instantly, especially to the display. After saving, you have to quit the thing & run it again before you see the changes. ---------------------------------------------------- Colin Wenzel. Queensland, Australia. EMAIL: colstv@hotkey.net.au URL: http://www.hotkey.net.au/~colstv/ 'AMIGA' 4000T With CS-III 68060 / 50Mhz 150Mb RAM. ---------------------------------------------------- --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From neil.ives@btinternet.com Sun Sep 19 09:11:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.233]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA25197 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 09:52:39 +0100 Received: (qmail 28434 invoked by alias); 19 Sep 1999 09:51:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 28403 invoked from network); 19 Sep 1999 09:50:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rhenium.btinternet.com) (194.73.73.93) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 1999 09:50:58 -0000 Received: from host5-171-234-105.btinternet.com ([195.171.234.105] helo=btinternet.com) by rhenium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11SdcW-0000OB-00 for just-amiga@onelist.com; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 10:50:57 +0100 From: Neil Ives To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 09:11:35 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [040] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Executive Update response. Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: 94cb5f9e12d36a6e61c968763bf114ae From: Neil Ives Hello Stephen On 18-Sep-99, you wrote: > When my Amiga gives up the ghost *pats keyboard, hopefully not soon* > I haven't a clue what I'll replace it with. I don't want Microsoft > software or Intel hardware. I don't want a Mac. BeOS looks quite > interesting, actually. > > I will give up computing rather than giving Microsoft a penny. RIGHT! It aint over till the fat lady sings. It might not be Amiga but it aint gonna be Microshit. Regards -- -------- NEIL IVES MALVERN UK -------- 'Amiga' - The new word for 'Personal Computer' - maybe --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From chaos@lamiga.screaming.net Sun Sep 19 13:26:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.205]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA27075 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 13:32:56 +0100 Received: (qmail 19851 invoked by alias); 19 Sep 1999 13:31:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 19842 invoked from network); 19 Sep 1999 13:31:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO newmail1.screaming.net) (212.49.224.20) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 1999 13:31:02 -0000 Received: from lamiga.screaming.net (Pops@dyn178-ras14.screaming.net [212.49.237.178]) by newmail1.screaming.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA13954 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 14:36:08 GMT From: John E Lord To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 14:26:40 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [060] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch X-SenderInfo: 1; dob=8021947 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Amiga Format drops again! Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: ec2c102bc6180cbf3a3a407774c86b6f From: John E Lord Hi Richard , On 19-Sep-99, you wrote: > Remember that they've been really pushing the subscriptions over the past [snip] > FWIW, I still buy AF and have been every issue since late 1990. But I can > understand that with more and more people going on-line that they don't > feel the need to buy it as the information is woefully out of date > compared to that on the net. That's not a critisisum of AF, it's the same > with any mag and deadlines that have to be met. There's also the > percieved cost of the mag for what it offers that other sources don't. > Personally I'm in the lucky position that 6 quid every four weeks is > small change. I thought that perhaps I might not find a reason to still buy it, but there's always quite a bit in it that I havn't read online. > Though as I've said the news is of no interest I still buy it for several > reasons. My top three below. I still find bits that I have missed. > (1) Reviews Yep, first thing I usually read, including games ones. > (2) Tutorials, I got a great deal out of the one that Neil Bothwick did > on HTML. I agree with that one, but havn't yet put it into practice > (3) Readers Stuff. A lot of which never appears anywhere else. Yup :) there have been some gems there in the past IIRC And .. It's always good to look at the Coverdisk page to see what some of the programs 'Should' look like before _*#I_ #*try and run them. 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Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From jonasth@bahnhof.se Sun Sep 19 15:39:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.31]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA28179 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 15:43:12 +0100 Received: (qmail 15675 invoked by alias); 19 Sep 1999 15:41:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 15665 invoked from network); 19 Sep 1999 15:41:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sunny.bahnhof.se) (193.44.91.1) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 1999 15:41:14 -0000 Received: from holly (pm1-27.bahnhof.se [195.178.166.40]) by sunny.bahnhof.se (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA22856 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 17:41:31 +0200 (MET DST) From: "Jonas Thorell" To: Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 17:39:28 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: RE: [just-amiga] Amiga Format drops again! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-UIDL: 1f92c72c9b7d18d115016658f844f994 From: "Jonas Thorell" Eric Chernoff wrote: >> for example: I make my living by being a network administrator, mainly >> with Windows NT being the server-OS. How do I add the >> client-based server tools I need to the Amiga? That's right, I can't. > Have you tried Samba? Not on my Amiga, which unfortunately lacks a network-card but I've seen it in action. It works, albeit not the easiest thing to configure. > That makes the Amiga both a client and a server on > the NT network? It can't really handle PDC stuff yet, but my wife has my > Amiga's larger disk mounted as H: on her PeeCee. I don't think it will work as long as no-one makes tools for altering the user/mail/etc databases on the PDC/BDC. The UserManager For Domains and ServerManager at the very least needs to exist. Come to think of it, a workaround might be possible if I set up a telnet-daemon on the NT-server and telnet in and use calcs to alter user-rights. Everything can't be done that way though (: > Samba is definitely a cool Unix port to have. As is Amiga QMail and Amiga > Apache. No NetShow of course or NetMeeting, and that is important. I don't know how important the latter two are, actually. Never met anyone that has used them. The Amiga-ports of QMail and Apache, while they are good, I wouldn't trust the Amiga as a server on the Internet. It's too vulnerable without protected memory and user-rights (MuFS isn't good enough). >> I need to be able to access MS-Access databases every now and then, also > I haven't looked too far into the ODBC world on an Amiga. Is it at all possible? > I understand, I run MySQL on my Sun Sparc Classic and I wish my Amiga could access > that. There is a MSQL port for the Amiga, and it may be helpful. Still, this is > a point I will gladly concede. I'm by no means a SQL-expert but from what I've heard, the Amiga-port is lacking things the other ports does have. Now, where is that Oracle8 port... > Very true. The only real way to use an Amiga for you would be to have > ShapeShifter insalled and run Office 98 for the Mac. Having a built-in > Mac would give you access to mainly mainstream tools, but you would only > have to use it when necessary. I did that for a while but decided it wasn't worth the effort. Especially since there are 3 PC's standing next to me as well... > I understand the need to take files to and from work. I operate with > ASCII myself I cannot do that unfortunately. Too many damn macros in some of them (: And not by my choice either. > or do my word processing on my PowerBook from work. Probably the best solution. > I still stand by the fact that FinalWriter is a great litte word processor and > more than most people really need. I agree. It's a great little program. Too bad it won't use TrueType fonts though. Or can FW97 do that? I'm a little behind the times there and have a later version. >> Well, depends on how the PC is configured. Mine doesn't crash more >> than my Amiga does. Win98 on the PC and AOS 3.1 on the other. Some > I really find that a little hard to believe. My Amiga did have a crashing > problem until I replaced the 8520's and the Buster. Well, both of them crashes occassionally but not too often. Mainly when I try out some new software that wasn't as well-behaved as it should be. > Then the 060 addition sealed it. It stays on 24/7 (runs www.chernoff.org) and > crashes maybe once a week on a bad piece of downloaded shareware (bad habit). Too much when it comes to a machine that stands as a server. Then again, that's unavoidable with an unprotected OS. > I read somewhere that Amigas run $5 software on $3,000 machines while PCs > run $3,000 software on $5 machines. Kind of funny. Not too far from the truth either. > I have yet to see anyone who has no had stability problems with their PC. > I am not saying I don't believe you have it under control, but I have > never seen it with my own eyes. I didn't say I have never had it but it's been stability itself for the last couple of months. It probably will develop a problem at some time...most likely because some silly program insists on installing a older version of some .DLL without asking me. >> A certain truth in it, due to the registry. It's not ALL that >> bad though, some software doesn't expand the registry at all or just >> minor and thus > It should *never* be that case IMHO. No, it shouldn't. Unfortunately, it is. > What I detest most about the Registry is that it is almost impossible to get an > unwanted program's dropping out of the registry once its in. It's also next to > impossible to get all of the dll's out too. What, you don't like working with Regedit and regedit32?? ;-) The worst problem with the registry IMO is that it makes the entire OS so unstable. One entry in the registry gone wrong and you may have to reinstall the OS. And for some things, you *need* to manually alter the registry. There is no other way. Some (read: a lot) of Microsofts proposed solutions explicitly states that you need to alter the registry. Which I really do not like to do. The /bin/etc solution in *IX is a better approach. Or the ENVARC: way. >> Strange that I routinely have some 10 programs running. That's the >> programs I constantly have a use for (that is, at work) and the computer >> isn't crawling. At home I don't have the need to have as many programs > And this is video? I agree that the RealAudio runs very smooth, and it's > all I really want when working (broadcast.com is awesome), but video is > still on the way, I feel. Not over the 'Net but I've had the MediaPlayer or WinAmp playing away without getting interrupted while having a bunch of other programs running. For Video over the 'Net, it's not really the PC's fault: it's the damn slow connections and congestions everywhere that makes it stutter. I don't know how well or bad RealVideo is programmed so that's just a guess. > I will take your word on it. I still believe that given a good Amiga with > the full OS, you can download most of the apps you need for free. Not > all, but most. Very true. But I don't like that I have to buy a god-damn CD-ROM filesystem. True, there is one in AOS 3.1 and some on Aminet but they're worthless in comparison to AsimCDFS or CacheCFS (IMHO that is). >> Why switch? Use both computers, i.e. best of both worlds. > It's seem an extraordinary number of people talk about the fateful day > when their Amigas go into the closet and the PC takes the desk. Well, I've seen it happen...and I guess most people here has too. It's gone to the point where people actually asks me when I'm going to throw mine into the bin. The day it dies of old age and I can't find replacements, that's when. > A lot. It is very, very slick, and very fast. My Sparc Classic has a > mere 32 megs of RAM and a 50Mhz CPU, but it runs everything I throw at it > beutifully. Is it as fast as my Amiga? Not even close! Not surprising. A OS with real VMM, MP and Multiuser will be slower than one which has not, and your Amiga had a better Mhz number too. True, Sparcs are RISC so not directly comparable. > But it is very compatible, scalable, and professionally done. Sun has made a fine > product in Solaris. Compaqs Tru64 isn't bad either. Requires a Alpha-server though which aren't cheap. > I use Linux at work for our file/web server, and it does the job, but it > really doesn't compare to our Ultra 5 which is 166 slower (500 versus > 333). I don't know if this is true or not but from what I've head that is because Solaris can handle a whole lot of more threads per process than Linux. Linux is supposed to be around 20/process and Solaris 1024/process, should make a difference to say the least. > True. Computers are a situation where you get what you pay for. Cheap > equipment is available, but not very good. Suns are over most people's > budget, including mine, but used Suns can be found for the same prices as > used Amigas, most are cheaper. Sun themselves has a used equipment > program, but you'll have better luck on Usenet. I might try to find one...I'll also see if I can convicne my employer that the old VAX-Mainframe in the basement would be better of at home... >> If you don't mind the clumsy operating system. > Now that's an interesting statement coming from an NT guy! Maybe, also a matter of personal taste. > MacOS is the most inefficient, non-multitasking OS I have seen, Indeed. The TOS/GEM combo on the AtariST is up there too. > but its also the most elegeant when it comes to the user interface. > Everything about using my Mac is a true joy, and the last word I would say about it is > "clumsy." Well, just a small list of things I find utterly annoying: 1. The lack of responsiveness. 2. When something crashes the computer can freeze completely with no option besides turning the power off. 3. The Data/resource gibberish filesystem which makes it a nightmare trying to open documents where the original creator isn't available. Usually involves using ResEdit. 4. No good scripting utility a la WSH or Arexx (AppleGuide or Hypercard doesn't cut it). 5. No command prompt whatsoever. I have used Macs extensively before and everytime a beginner asks how to remove a disk from the diskdrive..."Drag it into the trashbin". "No, I don't want to erase what's on it"... > In fact, I contend that Windows 95/98/NT attempts to be MacOS but fails > miserably. It wants to make computers easy but really complicates matters > because Windows can't handle the behind-the-curtain stuff like MacOS. True. It tries too and in some cases it succeeds perfectly, in other cases well the less said than better. > With MacOS, you don't need to know anything about the guts, but with > Windows, you really do, because if the GUI technique goes wrong, then > fixing the problem will take an MCSE to begin to understand. Good thing I am one then. >> Which part of the networking? > The controls are missing. True. On the other hand, if you use NetBEUI you don't need any...but you don't want to use that. The thing that annoys me the most is that all the network-parameters aren't in one place. No, no. You need to alter things at several places. >I am using Miami Deluxe, and really, nothing > compares to it. I have just used ordinary Miami and if Deluxe only delivers half of what it promises it is one heck of a TCP/IP stack. > fills my A2065, and I have never seen a PC fill an Ethernet card, 10 or > 100 mbs. Me neither, but sometimes you could be fooled into thinking it becuase of the speed (or lack thereof). >Granted, most Amigas can't use 100 mbs cards, Can any Amiga do it? >but I hope that will change someday. It's supposed to. I don't know how far RBM has progressed with it but they claim a 100 mbs Ethernet-addon is in the works for their IOBlix. > I am glad we agree and disagree on so much. You sound like someone who > has learned to love NT somewhat, and I can respect that. I wouldn't go that far. It's got more than its share of silly bugs and oversights but all in all, it's usable and most likely the best desktop OS for networks there is. It's familiar for the users and therefor easier for them, which cuts down on support issues but doesn't elliminate them. As you say, Linux and Solaris are better OS but I think they're better of being "just" the server-OS. And don't get me started on Windows2000. Someone shoot the people responsible for that piece of crap, although some things in it are nice. > NT is far better than Windows 9x, but it is a toy compared to Solaris or Linux. True. > A lot of folks feel that NT is the thing to use because Unix boxes require more > time and effort, but the busiest, most stressed out folks I know are NT > admins. Hey! Have you looked at my schedule lately?...Truth being told, the servers aren't the problem. The workstations are since you never can trust the users enough. And I have turned off many options so they cannot screw up that many things. Sad part is, it's impossible to prevent it all together since if you do you effectively cripple them so they cannot do their job. It's a tough balance act. > The Amiga lacks a lot of features, but so does every OS on the market. Yep. Most things I miss when infront of another OS is generally speaking some of the Amigas applications, not some aspect of the OS although that comes into play as well. I do find myself missing my very customized workbench though...I simply cannot put my finger on what it is that makes the Amiga so special that I don't want to get rid of it. /Jonas --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- ?? BETA TEST our free, real-time technical support service with live experts !! go to EXPERTCITY.COM Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From sw@nysa.u-net.com Sun Sep 19 16:41:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.13]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA28693 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 16:43:17 +0100 Received: (qmail 9793 invoked by alias); 19 Sep 1999 16:41:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 9780 invoked from network); 19 Sep 1999 16:41:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO serv1.is1.u-net.net) (195.102.240.129) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 1999 16:41:38 -0000 Received: from [195.102.200.7] (helo=nysa.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for just-amiga@onelist.com id 11SjvE-0006R0-00; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 16:34:41 +0000 From: Stephen Williams To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 17:41:30 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 (AmigaOS) - http://www.yam.ch/ X-Pokemon: Charmeleon X-Zero-Hour: in 469 days, 6 hours, 18 minutes Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Final Writer and TrueTypes (was: Amiga Format drops again!) Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: 7575c43ceb6547637b1b6e33956c6563 From: Stephen Williams Jonas Thorell wrote: >> I still stand by the fact that FinalWriter is a great litte word >> processor and more than most people really need. > > I agree. It's a great little program. Too bad it won't use TrueType fonts > though. Or can FW97 do that? I'm a little behind the times there and > have a later version. My ancient Final Writer 4 Lite uses TrueTypes just fine :-) I've got freedom.library installed (a TrueType equivalent of bullet.library); the .otag file contains information on which library to use to decode the font. There's a similar library available for Type 1 fonts too. -Stephen -- [[ http://www.nysa.u-net.com/ ]] --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- ??? Computer Questions ==> Free Answers From Live Experts ! ! ! go to EXPERTCITY.COM Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From jyork@voyager.net Sun Sep 19 19:17:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.213]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA29550 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 18:21:50 +0100 Received: (qmail 3455 invoked by alias); 19 Sep 1999 18:19:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 3229 invoked from network); 19 Sep 1999 18:19:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail1.voyager.net) (209.153.128.76) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 1999 18:19:21 -0000 Received: from voyager.net (root@as2-dial50.pntc.mi.voyager.net [209.153.138.178]) by mail1.voyager.net (8.9.1/Voyager-MailX) with SMTP id OAA20313 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 14:27:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Jack York To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 14:17:28 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [020] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Changing IBrowse fonts Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: ed5b7ffa1f0ef5cfb538d8caac8c832a From: Jack York Hello Colin On 18-Sep-99, Colin Wenzel wrote: > From: Colin Wenzel > > On 19-Sep-99, Jack York wrote: >> From: Jack York >> Hello, >> How do I change the font in IBroswe that is used to display >> text in the window? No matter which of the three fonts I change >> in the MUI settings, the text remains very small. >> Jack > > I have found changes won't take place instantly, > especially to the display. > After saving, you have to quit the thing & run it again > before you see the changes. I tried changing each font size, saving it, quitting IBrowse and then re-starting it. The fonts used for the fastlinks and where the url is put changed size but the rest didn't. If I just start IBrowse without having Miami running the IBrowse info file is displayed. It has the names of the developers on it. These are almost unreadable the way it is setup now because they are so small. Jack --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- ??? Computer Questions ==> Free Answers From Live Experts ! ! ! go to EXPERTCITY.COM Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From sandy@brownlee99.freeserve.co.uk Sun Sep 19 13:04:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.159]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA30206 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 19:36:03 +0100 Received: (qmail 9238 invoked by alias); 19 Sep 1999 19:34:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 9233 invoked from network); 19 Sep 1999 19:34:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail10.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.214) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 1999 19:34:01 -0000 Received: from modem-32.amitriptyline.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.50.32] helo=brownlee99.freeserve.co.uk ident=Sanderson) by mail10.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Smj7-0007S2-00 for just-amiga@onelist.com; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 20:34:22 +0100 From: Sandy Brownlee To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 14:04:30 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [040] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Executive Update response. Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: 1b4256f8247a3b8f04bd31c3da78a5d5 From: Sandy Brownlee Hello Neil On 19-Sep-99, you wrote: > It might not be Amiga but it aint gonna be Microshit. Couldn't have put it better myself. Regards, Sandy Brownlee ----------------------------- Who else would have a sig like this? --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- BETA TEST expertcity.com's new online, real-time, technical support service! Let our live experts help you with your computer now. IT'S FREE! ! ! Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From amiga@thefree.net Sun Sep 19 20:06:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.211]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA31572 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 21:50:05 +0100 Received: (qmail 3877 invoked by alias); 19 Sep 1999 21:49:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 3858 invoked from network); 19 Sep 1999 21:48:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO homer.thefree.net) (195.34.192.14) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 1999 21:48:59 -0000 Received: from thefree.net (AIOeditor@nas01-200.68.thefree.net [195.34.200.68]) by homer.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA28047 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 23:21:28 +0100 From: Chris Seward To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 20:06:35 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: Re: [just-amiga] Re: UK Free ISP with a long distance dialup anybody? plz! Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: 203b6ae7a32d5208942ed8d4be131c10 From: Chris Seward Hi James, On 18-Sep-99, you wrote: > Try UKOnLine, and dial up using the Easynet numbers. > UKonLine are free and are basically the same company as Easynet, so you can > use the Easynet news servers etc for free :-)) Well thanks for the help but it didn't work like that. I signed up with UKOnline and they gave me an 0845 number. I then went to the Easynet site as you suggested and got a number for Slough which is a long distance number for me. I dialed in and it doesn't take the password, but using the UK Online local number (0845) works fine and even the Easynet local number doesn't work so you obviously can't use their numbers. Easynet isn't free either so thats out the question. Does anyone else know any free ISPs with a long distance dialup. I found Virgin.net have one but for some reason it doesn't work with Miami, their 0845 works fine but the long distance don't. I have a friend with a PC, he has the same telephone company as me and the long distance number works, bugger! PLEASE! someone must know one!!! Regards -- Chris Seward - Editor, Amiga Information Online *URL* : http://www.aio.co.uk - Email : chris@aio.co.uk - ICQ : 41724074 *Phone* : +44 (0) 7887 664915 - *ACS* : AIOeditor - *IRC* : AIOeditor Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From amiga@thefree.net Sun Sep 19 22:36:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.223]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA31577 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 21:50:29 +0100 Received: (qmail 27579 invoked by alias); 19 Sep 1999 21:49:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 27334 invoked from network); 19 Sep 1999 21:49:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO homer.thefree.net) (195.34.192.14) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 1999 21:49:10 -0000 Received: from thefree.net (AIOeditor@nas01-200.68.thefree.net [195.34.200.68]) by homer.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA28053 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 23:21:33 +0100 From: Chris Seward To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 22:36:23 +0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Paul Cavanagh @ AF making me laugh! Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: 28b98570111e8085f0e12cf3e7e9bdf0 From: Chris Seward Hi All, Well by now most of you are probably bored by my rants at AF and its staff but i'm going to rant anywa ;) Thats not to say that I don't like AF because I have actually just taken out a 12 month subscription with them, if they'll still be around in 12 months is another matter altogether. The first knowledge of Paul Cavanagh was when he called my up saying he was reviewing Wasted Dreams for AF, as I am the UK Distributer for the game I offered him the advice and then see the review which gives the game 72% overall. Not wanting to sound bias but even if I wasn't the UK Distributer I would certainly give it a hell of a lot more than that as most of the people who registered it did. Before I'd actually seen the review a person from one of the leading Amiga software suppliers, VERY well known who will remain nameless also told me that they had their doubts about Mr. Cavanagh but thats all I will say on that matter :-) This month I see the Gremlin Collection receive 36%. Firstly I do not condone piracy but some of these games on that CD are not available anymore so how the heck does he expect them to appear on the CD. Its alright people today saying that you should buy the games but say when a company has gone bust and the game doesn't exist anymore to buy, what do you do? well people are left with one solution. I notice he didn't complain about AF putting a full game of Stunt Car Racer on the CD a few issues again and the reply to a persons letter about it was that the Aminet also had it, they call THAT and excuse? I think Mr. Cavanagh was expecting a CD full of playstation games because the games on the CD are some of the all time greats, Gremlin was a market leader back then and probably still would be on the Amiga. Zool was one of the a1200 launch items and looking through the list of old scores from past magazines that they display at the top most got over 80%. Is Mr. Cavanagh up for the job? Why didn't AF employ an Amiga fan and not someone who packed up their Amiga well over 2 years ago? Toodle Pip! -- Chris Seward - Editor, Amiga Information Online *URL* : http://www.aio.co.uk - Email : chris@aio.co.uk - ICQ : 41724074 *Phone* : +44 (0) 7887 664915 - *ACS* : AIOeditor - *IRC* : AIOeditor Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- BETA TEST expertcity.com's new online, real-time, technical support service! Let our live experts help you with your computer now. IT'S FREE! ! ! Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From daz@sunhawk.u-net.com Sun Sep 19 23:40:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.243]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA32176 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 22:50:07 +0100 Received: (qmail 12682 invoked by alias); 19 Sep 1999 22:48:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 12677 invoked from network); 19 Sep 1999 22:48:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO serv1.is1.u-net.net) (195.102.240.129) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 1999 22:48:40 -0000 Received: from [195.102.197.144] (helo=sunhawk.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for just-amiga@onelist.com id 11SpeB-0000Yv-00; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 22:41:28 +0000 From: Darren Stevens To: Jack York Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 23:40:39 WET0 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: Re: [just-amiga] Changing IBrowse fonts Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: 062a70d7adafb96a1be21383d4715158 From: Darren Stevens On 19-Sep-99, Jack York wrote: >From: Jack York >Hello, >How do I change the font in IBroswe that is used to display >text in the window? No matter which of the three fonts I change >in the MUI settings, the text remains very small. Thats because you are changing the fonts MUI uses for windows and gadgets. To change the fonts for HTML displays you must open the 'General...' settings window and choose the fonts tab from there. You'll see 3 sets of fonts to change there, each corresponding to a different HTML style. Hope this helps.. Darren --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From aj.cashmore@ukonline.co.uk Mon Sep 20 00:10:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.245]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA32370 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 23:18:42 +0100 Received: (qmail 21783 invoked by alias); 19 Sep 1999 23:17:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 21741 invoked from network); 19 Sep 1999 23:17:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wookey.mail.easynet.net) (195.40.1.48) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 1999 23:17:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 40928 invoked from network); 19 Sep 1999 23:17:00 -0000 Received: from as-me2-20.easynet.co.uk (HELO ukonline.co.uk) (194.72.162.84) by wookey.mail.easynet.net with SMTP; 19 Sep 1999 23:17:00 -0000 From: Andrew Cashmore To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 00:10:53 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [040] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Re: UK Free ISP with a long distance dialup anybody? plz! Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: 08253ead3a726119625697d1d08e1354 From: Andrew Cashmore Hello Chris, On 19-Sep-99, you wrote: > Well thanks for the help but it didn't work like that. I signed up with > UKOnline and they gave me an 0845 number. I then went to the > Easynet site as you suggested and got a number for Slough which > is a long distance number for me. You did enter your username properly, didn't you? For example, your email is chris.seward@ukonline.co.uk. For UKOLs 0845 number, chris.seward would be OK, but for an easynet number, you need all of it. There is a London number at 0171 900 1111 and a Manchester one at 0161 930 8220. I'm using the 0161 number right now, so it does work. Yours, Andrew. -- For Airships and Warships On The Web, check out:- http://web.ukonline.co.uk/aj.cashmore/index.html --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Does Windows keep ""bugging"" you? Can't get that PowerPoint slide to fit? 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Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From bunton@acay.com.au Mon Sep 20 02:12:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.249]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA00572 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 02:14:31 +0100 Received: (qmail 18591 invoked by alias); 20 Sep 1999 02:12:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 18559 invoked from network); 20 Sep 1999 02:12:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hamtic.acay.com.au) (203.7.132.2) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 1999 02:12:45 -0000 Received: from acay.com.au (acay01912449.acay.com.au [203.19.124.49]) by acay.com.au (8.9.3+3.2W/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA11013 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 12:12:43 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <37E597F5.5E5494CF@acay.com.au> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 12:12:05 +1000 From: Frank Bunton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,en-GB,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "just-amiga@onelist.com" Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Amiga - any future? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-UIDL: d60313ad3f066c5b2979c5150b0171ea From: Frank Bunton I quote below the final words from Open Letter to the Amiga Community September 17, 1999 From Thomas J. Schmidt President and CEO Amiga, Inc. > In summary, we are continuing to focus our > resources on setting software standards for > the coming generation of Internet appliances. > We are not planning to offer hardware devices, > but will work with hardware manufacturers who > want to license our technology. As far as > offering next-generation Amiga systems, we > are open to talking to companies who want to > offer such a product. To be honest, if I were a hardware developer, I don't think I would be too enthused about developing the hardware when Amiga Inc. seem to be only interested in "Internet Appliances"! To my way of thinking, the only way a new Amiga computer would be able to take off again would be for Amiga Inc. to produce the new Amiga computer and back it up with solid advertising. Nothing will take off without solid positive advertising from Amiga Inc. itself. Their current comments only seem to reinforce our opinions that they are only interested in the "Internet Appliances" side of things. -- ------------------------------------------------ From:- Frank Bunton E-mail:- mailto:bunton@acay.com.au Web:- http://www.acay.com.au/~bunton HOME OF: AmigaDOS For Beginners ARexx For Beginners How To Write AmigaGuide Docs Phone in Australia:- (02) 43 331 224 Phone ex overseas +61 2 43 331 224 Member of Team *Amiga* Worldwide http://web.wt.net/~gpeake/teamamiga.html ------------------------------------------------ --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- ??? Computer Questions ==> Free Answers From Live Experts ! ! ! go to EXPERTCITY.COM Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From bunton@acay.com.au Mon Sep 20 02:23:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.31]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA00643 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 02:26:21 +0100 Received: (qmail 16307 invoked by alias); 20 Sep 1999 02:24:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 16296 invoked from network); 20 Sep 1999 02:24:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hamtic.acay.com.au) (203.7.132.2) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 1999 02:24:01 -0000 Received: from acay.com.au (acay01912449.acay.com.au [203.19.124.49]) by acay.com.au (8.9.3+3.2W/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA12470 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 12:24:37 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <37E59ABE.F718DC0C@acay.com.au> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 12:23:58 +1000 From: Frank Bunton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,en-GB,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "just-amiga@onelist.com" Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Team AMIGA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-UIDL: c52cc0f6fce5cc5263c7fff3d41e5326 From: Frank Bunton Anyone know what has happened to the Team AMIGA web site? http://web.wt.net/~gpeake/teamamiga.html seems to be a broken link!! -- ------------------------------------------------ From:- Frank Bunton E-mail:- mailto:bunton@acay.com.au Web:- http://www.acay.com.au/~bunton HOME OF: AmigaDOS For Beginners ARexx For Beginners How To Write AmigaGuide Docs Phone in Australia:- (02) 43 331 224 Phone ex overseas +61 2 43 331 224 Member of Team *Amiga* Worldwide ------------------------------------------------ --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- BETA TEST expertcity.com's new online, real-time, technical support service! 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Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From colstv@hotkey.net.au Mon Sep 20 02:08:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.13]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA00759 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 02:47:51 +0100 Received: (qmail 9999 invoked by alias); 20 Sep 1999 02:07:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 9945 invoked from network); 20 Sep 1999 02:07:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au) (203.58.52.2) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 1999 02:07:37 -0000 Received: from hotkey.net.au (maroochydore-as-dial-20.qld.hotkey.net.au [203.58.52.23]) by maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA04507 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 12:07:35 +1000 (EST) From: Colin Wenzel To: Jack York Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 12:08:23 +1000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: Re: [just-amiga] Re: Changing IBrowse fonts Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: a9d568870ebdc58b4083e050cfff6d2f From: Colin Wenzel On 20-Sep-99, Jack York wrote: -snip- >I tried changing each font size, saving it, quitting IBrowse and >then re-starting it. The fonts used for the fastlinks and where >the url is put changed size but the rest didn't. If I just start >IBrowse without having Miami running the IBrowse info file is >displayed. It has the names of the developers on it. These are >almost unreadable the way it is setup now because they are so >small. >Jack Uh - Huh !! I see your problem, you want the screen & window fonts changed, NOT the html display fonts..... Go into MUI & set the "Screen" font, then set all 3 of the "Window" fonts to whatever you want...... ---------------------------------------------------- Colin Wenzel. Queensland, Australia. EMAIL: colstv@hotkey.net.au URL: http://www.hotkey.net.au/~colstv/ ICQ: 17608330 'AMIGA' 4000T With CS-III 68060 / 50Mhz 150Mb RAM. ---------------------------------------------------- --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- ?? BETA TEST our free, real-time technical support service with live experts !! go to EXPERTCITY.COM Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From dlbenson@psnw.com Mon Sep 20 03:10:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.247]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA00899 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 03:16:08 +0100 Received: (qmail 19075 invoked by alias); 20 Sep 1999 03:14:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 19068 invoked from network); 20 Sep 1999 03:14:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sierra.psnw.com) (205.199.144.107) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 1999 03:14:29 -0000 Received: from psnw.com (root@vct1-23.psnw.com [206.43.240.46]) by sierra.psnw.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA12927 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 20:14:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Don and Lynn Benson To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 20:10:03 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <37E597F5.5E5494CF@acay.com.au> X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [040] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Amiga - any future? Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: 92abe2e7c8f947834eb64906fa39bb97 From: Don and Lynn Benson Hi Frank In the most part I whole heartedly agree with you. The only opening I see is the offer about Linux and the GUI they started. My qualm is, how much have they really done on it? Or on the MMC for that matter. If it was obvious they were not going to make the deadline it sounds like there were more problems than they let out. I just hope they have not soured the name Amiga to make it unattractive is there is someone out there who is willing to try and has the backing. In a similar vein, what do you think about the G4 board with QNX? Do you think the lack of software will hurt sales. I have not heard anything about any software for it, yet. On 19-Sep-99, Frank Bunton wrote: > From: Frank Bunton > > I quote below the final words from > Open Letter to the Amiga Community > September 17, 1999 > From > Thomas J. Schmidt > President and CEO > Amiga, Inc. > >> In summary, we are continuing to focus our >> resources on setting software standards for >> the coming generation of Internet appliances. >> We are not planning to offer hardware devices, >> but will work with hardware manufacturers who >> want to license our technology. As far as >> offering next-generation Amiga systems, we >> are open to talking to companies who want to >> offer such a product. > > To be honest, if I were a hardware developer, I don't think I > would be too enthused about developing the hardware when Amiga > Inc. seem to be only interested in "Internet Appliances"! > > To my way of thinking, the only way a new Amiga computer would > be able to take off again would be for Amiga Inc. to produce > the new Amiga computer and back it up with solid advertising. > Nothing will take off without solid positive advertising from > Amiga Inc. itself. Their current comments only seem to > reinforce our opinions that they are only interested in the > "Internet Appliances" side of things. > -----Don --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- ?? BETA TEST our free, real-time technical support service with live experts !! go to EXPERTCITY.COM Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From jyork@voyager.net Mon Sep 20 04:24:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.245]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA00956 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 03:29:16 +0100 Received: (qmail 6500 invoked by alias); 20 Sep 1999 03:27:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 6272 invoked from network); 20 Sep 1999 03:27:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail1.voyager.net) (209.153.128.76) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 1999 03:27:02 -0000 Received: from voyager.net (root@as1-dial211.pntc.mi.voyager.net [216.93.44.211]) by mail1.voyager.net (8.9.1/Voyager-MailX) with SMTP id XAA16381 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 23:34:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Jack York To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 23:24:31 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [020] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Changing IBrowse fonts Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: f800807ec51c673ca7cceec690dec500 From: Jack York Hello Darren On 19-Sep-99, Darren Stevens wrote: > From: Darren Stevens > > On 19-Sep-99, Jack York wrote: >> From: Jack York > >> Hello, > >> How do I change the font in IBroswe that is used to display >> text in the window? No matter which of the three fonts I change >> in the MUI settings, the text remains very small. > Thats because you are changing the fonts MUI uses for windows and gadgets. > To change the fonts for HTML displays you must open the 'General...' > settings window and choose the fonts tab from there. You'll see 3 sets of > fonts to change there, each corresponding to a different HTML style. That makes sense but I don't see a fonts tab in the General settings. Can you tell me where it is located? I am using 2.1 if that makes a diference. Jack --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From jyork@voyager.net Mon Sep 20 04:30:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.249]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA00981 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 03:33:51 +0100 Received: (qmail 27431 invoked by alias); 20 Sep 1999 03:32:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 27408 invoked from network); 20 Sep 1999 03:32:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail1.voyager.net) (209.153.128.76) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 1999 03:32:13 -0000 Received: from voyager.net (root@as1-dial211.pntc.mi.voyager.net [216.93.44.211]) by mail1.voyager.net (8.9.1/Voyager-MailX) with SMTP id XAA17328 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 23:40:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Jack York To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 23:30:00 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [020] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Changing IBrowse fonts Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: b580d662da31b1c99a36976ce79c9040 From: Jack York Hello Colin On 19-Sep-99, Colin Wenzel wrote: > From: Colin Wenzel > > On 20-Sep-99, Jack York wrote: > -snip- >> I tried changing each font size, saving it, quitting IBrowse and >> then re-starting it. The fonts used for the fastlinks and where >> the url is put changed size but the rest didn't. If I just start >> IBrowse without having Miami running the IBrowse info file is >> displayed. It has the names of the developers on it. These are >> almost unreadable the way it is setup now because they are so >> small. >> Jack > > Uh - Huh !! I see your problem, > you want the screen & window fonts changed, > NOT the html display fonts..... > > Go into MUI & set the "Screen" font, then > set all 3 of the "Window" fonts to whatever you want...... I don't think that is what I want. When I tried that the font used for the menus changed (actually looks better - thanks :)) but the text in the window didn't change. Jack --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Does Windows keep ""bugging"" you? Can't get that PowerPoint slide to fit? Get FREE real-time live expert support over the Internet at expertcity.com. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From alden1@airmail.net Mon Sep 20 03:44:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.205]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA01072 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 03:46:52 +0100 Received: (qmail 5456 invoked by alias); 20 Sep 1999 03:44:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 5214 invoked from network); 20 Sep 1999 03:44:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.airmail.net) (206.66.12.40) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 1999 03:44:22 -0000 Received: from airmail.net from [207.136.15.242] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.405) with smtp for sender: id ; Sun, 19 Sep 99 22:45:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Jon Peterson To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 22:44:49 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <37E597F5.5E5494CF@acay.com.au> X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [060] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Amiga - any future? Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: 91e6b1e30ec75bf6c5a422fb87180765 From: Jon Peterson I would surely think that having someone interview Jim Collas and/or Bill McEwen would be a grand idea. These two gentlemen certainly are not the types to crawl into a hole at this time. Although NDAs might be somewhat constricting, I suspect a word or two from them would help in clarifying the situation....... Well, perhaps. There are goings on that we would like to know about. Regards --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- ??? 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-UIDL: 1e43f43bb90dbc031fb730b291d9c770 From: "Jonas Thorell" Stephen Williams wrote: >> I agree. It's a great little program. Too bad it won't use >> TrueType fonts though. Or can FW97 do that? I'm a little behind >> the times there and have a later version. > My ancient Final Writer 4 Lite uses TrueTypes just fine :-) Ah, the same version I'm using (sort of). >I've got freedom.library installed (a TrueType equivalent of bullet.library); Hm, I'm using the competitor: ttf.library. It works fine albeit a bit slow. Still, better than nothing. If I remember correctly, there was some fine-tuning to get FW to accept them at first though. /Jonas --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From james@jackle.demon.co.uk Mon Sep 20 12:07:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.221]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA06415 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 12:13:28 +0100 Received: (qmail 28473 invoked by alias); 20 Sep 1999 12:12:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 28460 invoked from network); 20 Sep 1999 12:12:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO finch-post-11.mail.demon.net) (194.217.242.39) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 1999 12:12:12 -0000 Received: from jackle.demon.co.uk ([158.152.126.30]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11T2IO-0009UB-0B for just-amiga@onelist.com; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 12:11:49 +0000 From: James Luscombe To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 13:07:08 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [060] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Re: UK Free ISP with a long distance dialup anybody? plz! Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: f5152965fb6def18e6d5f2724c85bf3f From: James Luscombe On 19-Sep-99, Chris Seward wrote: > >> Try UKOnLine, and dial up using the Easynet numbers. >> UKonLine are free and are basically the same company as Easynet, so you > can >> use the Easynet news servers etc for free :-)) > > Well thanks for the help but it didn't work like that. I signed up with > UKOnline and they gave me an 0845 number. I then went to the > Easynet site as you suggested and got a number for Slough which > is a long distance number for me. > > I dialed in and it doesn't take the password, but using the UK Online > local number (0845) works fine and even the Easynet local number > doesn't work so you obviously can't use their numbers. Strange, it works for me. Maybe they closed the loop-hole after I joined UKOL, but couldn't be bothered to seperate out all those that had previously signed up...? Cheers. -- James Luscombe Amiga 3000T, 604e/200 060/50, Picasso IV james@jackle.demon.co.uk Amiga 1200, 040/40 Men who have playful kittens shouldn't sleep in the nude. --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From mickeyc@ukonline.co.uk Mon Sep 20 06:48:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.159]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA11374 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 17:25:32 +0100 Received: (qmail 18011 invoked by alias); 20 Sep 1999 17:22:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 17780 invoked from network); 20 Sep 1999 17:22:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kiwi.mail.easynet.net) (195.40.1.40) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 1999 17:22:53 -0000 Received: from ukonline.co.uk (tnt-9-234.easynet.co.uk [195.40.198.234]) by kiwi.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 64285DAFEE for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 18:23:08 +0100 (BST) From: Mike Cardwell To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 07:48:44 +0100 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <19990920172308.64285DAFEE@kiwi.mail.easynet.net> Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Changing IBrowse fonts Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: fe5185f21c3afc2608b77981c8cc11f0 From: Mike Cardwell On 20-Sep-99, Jack York wrote about: Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Changing IBrowse fonts > That makes sense but I don't see a fonts tab in the General settings. > Can you tell me where it is located? I am using 2.1 if that makes a > diference. I think I read somewhere that, with IBrowse2 you can't actually change the font size yet. You'll have to wait for an update. It seems a strange thing not to be able to do. Actually, I think I read it in last months AF when they were comparing it to Voyager 3 -- Mike Cardwell, Email: mickeyc@ukonline.co.uk UIN: 26909594 ============================================== A1200 Tower, Blizzard 030-50mhz, 16MB Fastram, 540MB HardDisk, 12X CDRom, 56K Dynalink Modem. ============================================== --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From kludge@magma.ca Mon Sep 20 07:17:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.209]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA12728 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:01:52 +0100 Received: (qmail 29744 invoked by alias); 20 Sep 1999 18:59:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 29731 invoked from network); 20 Sep 1999 18:59:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO picard.math.uwaterloo.ca) (129.97.204.38) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 1999 18:59:48 -0000 Received: from uwaterloo.ca (JBrown@rn-re135b04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.37.49]) by picard.math.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA18613 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 15:00:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeff Brown To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 02:17:38 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [020] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Changing IBrowse fonts Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: b8bf6c9e937c7b8b1b6cab9e9ec14680 From: Jeff Brown > I tried changing each font size, saving it, quitting IBrowse and > then re-starting it. The fonts used for the fastlinks and where > the url is put changed size but the rest didn't. If I just start > IBrowse without having Miami running the IBrowse info file is > displayed. It has the names of the developers on it. These are > almost unreadable the way it is setup now because they are so > small. RTFM. Check the "General" settings I believe. There you can set the font names and sizes for each of the HTML header size tags. (eg. ) --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Does Windows keep ""bugging"" you? Can't get that PowerPoint slide to fit? Get FREE real-time live expert support over the Internet at expertcity.com. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From jyork@voyager.net Tue Sep 21 03:45:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.31]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA17667 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 02:49:40 +0100 Received: (qmail 25198 invoked by alias); 21 Sep 1999 02:47:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 25174 invoked from network); 21 Sep 1999 02:47:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail1.voyager.net) (209.153.128.76) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 1999 02:47:20 -0000 Received: from voyager.net (root@as3-dial44.pntc.mi.voyager.net [209.153.137.172]) by mail1.voyager.net (8.9.1/Voyager-MailX) with SMTP id WAA08617 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 22:55:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Jack York To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 22:45:39 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <19990920172308.64285DAFEE@kiwi.mail.easynet.net> X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [020] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Changing IBrowse fonts Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: ce2f4682d473ee73d0e4b0769d3ec11b From: Jack York Hello Mike On 20-Sep-99, Mike Cardwell wrote: > From: Mike Cardwell > > On 20-Sep-99, Jack York wrote about: > Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Changing IBrowse fonts > >> That makes sense but I don't see a fonts tab in the General settings. >> Can you tell me where it is located? I am using 2.1 if that makes a >> diference. > > I think I read somewhere that, with IBrowse2 you can't actually change > the font size yet. You'll have to wait for an update. It seems a strange > thing not to be able to do. Actually, I think I read it in last months > AF when they were comparing it to Voyager 3 I know they were in a hurry to get it out so I guess that part was not that important to them. For me, at least, it just about makes it unusable. Oh well, thanks for the help. Jack --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- BETA TEST expertcity.com's new online, real-time, technical support service! Let our live experts help you with your computer now. IT'S FREE! ! ! Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From tony@merlin.net.au Tue Sep 21 07:00:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.221]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA20347 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 08:33:11 +0100 Received: (qmail 7156 invoked by alias); 21 Sep 1999 08:31:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 7048 invoked from network); 21 Sep 1999 08:31:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO arthur.merlin.net.au) (203.20.229.1) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 1999 08:31:40 -0000 Received: from .merlin.net.au (tony@ppp24a.merlin.net.au [203.20.229.136]) by arthur.merlin.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA20132 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:01:23 +0930 From: "Tony P. Parr" To: ONElist Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:00:11 +1100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [020] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] AmiFTP-AmiTCP Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: a48a6dc906d71f9415a7d36b75ed0cf0 From: "Tony P. Parr" Greetings all... Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but here goes... Can someone advise me (in plain English please) what purpose do AmiTCP and AmiFTP and similar programs serve? I often see them mentioned in MLists and a friend has all sorts of assigns and extra lines in his user-startup/startup-sequence to run these programs and complained about the problems he had setting them up. When I asked the above question he couldn't give me an answer, just that he'd been advised to have these running before he went online on the 'net. I run Miami, YAM and iBrowse and get mail of all kinds from all around the world. With iBrowse I go to http and ftp sites and never have any problems connecting and D/Loading HTML files, LhA, LZX or DMS archives, nor do I have any problems attaching files to my emails. So... any easily understood answer would be appreciated. I am having an on-going debate re: attaching files to emails. Except for one person, in all the dozens of mails I've received with attachments the attachment has been of base64 type and the YAM manual and other texts I've read lead me to believe this is the norm these days as the encoding is smaller, (ergo, faster in transmission) and more reliable than uuencoding. The way I have my system set up (button in DOpus) it also seems easier to decode base64 files. Again, an easily understood answer on this subject would be of help. Thanx to all in advance. Cop 'U Later... Tiny ----- */Philosopical persiflage:/* -------- ------- ------ ----- ---- --- -- - If you go through life with both feet planted firmly on the ground, you'll never change your underwear. -- Anon *Tony P. Parr - ( aka /ToPPer/ )* *AMIGA FOREVER - FOREVER AMIGA* --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From sandy@brownlee99.freeserve.co.uk Tue Sep 21 08:56:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.135.229]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA21901 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 10:27:04 +0100 Received: (qmail 14466 invoked by alias); 21 Sep 1999 08:56:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 14393 invoked from network); 21 Sep 1999 08:56:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.mailstart.com) (207.231.76.65) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 1999 08:56:19 -0000 Received: from pink [207.231.76.26] by mail.mailstart.com (SMTPD32-5.05) id A837DF100A2; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 01:56:23 -0700 To: just-amiga@onelist.com CC: sandy@brownlee99.freeserve.co.uk From: sandy@brownlee99.freeserve.co.uk Message-Id: <210999264.6986@195.92.197.38> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 01:56:29 -0700 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: RE: [just-amiga] AmiFTP-AmiTCP Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-UIDL: 32577b7c8c640d762b68b2fa56d85464 From: sandy@brownlee99.freeserve.co.uk Hi Tony, >From: "Tony P. Parr" >Greetings all... > >Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but here >goes... Anything Miggy related... >Can someone advise me (in plain English please) what >purpose do AmiTCP and >AmiFTP and similar programs serve? Well, AmiTCP does the same a Miami; it dials up your ISP, and sets up a TCP/IP connection to allow you to communicate. AmiFTP allows you to download files from Aminet etc., and allows you to upload too- its bloody good at it too. >I often see them mentioned in MLists and a friend has all >sorts of assigns >and extra lines in his user-startup/startup-sequence to >run these programs >and complained about the problems he had setting them up. Wouldn`t know about that. >When I asked the above question he couldn't give me an >answer, just that >he'd been advised to have these running before he went >online on the 'net. Unless you have another magical way, it *would* be useful. (You could always use Miami though, which you do) >I run Miami, YAM and iBrowse and get mail of all kinds >from all around the >world. With iBrowse I go to http and ftp sites and never >have any problems >connecting and D/Loading HTML files, LhA, LZX or DMS >archives, nor do I >have any problems attaching files to my emails. Good for you- you won't be able to upload much, though. >Thanx to all in advance. No problem. >Cop 'U Later... Tiny Regards, Sandy Brownlee ----------------------------------- Who else would have a sig lke this? ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From jyork@voyager.net Tue Sep 21 20:40:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.229]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA31410 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 19:44:52 +0100 Received: (qmail 267 invoked by alias); 21 Sep 1999 19:43:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 258 invoked from network); 21 Sep 1999 19:43:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail1.voyager.net) (209.153.128.76) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 1999 19:43:51 -0000 Received: from voyager.net (root@as2-dial116.pntc.mi.voyager.net [209.153.138.244]) by mail1.voyager.net (8.9.1/Voyager-MailX) with SMTP id PAA28285 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 15:51:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Jack York To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 15:40:56 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [020] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] USB to SCSI Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: d42bfc1ae362686dab6c806515c1d0e2 From: Jack York Hello, Does anyone know anything about the USB to SCSI adapters? I have seen them online and from the desciptions it sounds like they are for hooking up SCSI devices to a USB port. I am wondering if they would work the other way around. Jack --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Does Windows keep ""bugging"" you? Can't get that PowerPoint slide to fit? Get FREE real-time live expert support over the Internet at expertcity.com. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From SnorsleX@Home.se Tue Sep 21 21:12:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.135.253]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA31899 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 20:18:30 +0100 Received: (qmail 27244 invoked by alias); 21 Sep 1999 20:15:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 27015 invoked from network); 21 Sep 1999 20:15:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO home.se) (195.66.45.70) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 1999 20:15:36 -0000 Received: from home.se (Hiya@md4690ea0.utfors.se [212.105.14.160]) by home.se (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA15239 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:16:00 +0200 (CEST) From: Lorens Johansson To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:12:49 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [060] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch X-SenderInfo: 1; homepage="snorslex.amiga.tm"; street="=?iso-8859-1?Q?Durkv=E4gen?= 2"; city="94533 Rosvik"; country="Sweden"; phone="+46-0911-206958"; dob=18011981 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] A problem(?) with a fan in 1200 (desktop) Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: 959e925f3ff5b3ecadcbdcd887c5347c From: Lorens Johansson Hi... I did this, got a fan that I now use, it's square, about 5 cm wide... I have drilled a square hole in the bottom of my 1200, right under the processor and put it there... My problem is, is it dangerous that the metal thingie that gets cold touches the memory chips??? It presses abit on them...!!! It only touches the top of the chips, not the legs!!!! My Amiga is BTW piled up by two Kalle Anka (Donald Duck) pockets ;) (150 pages thick) Hmmm, it's true that the Amiga is something that is VERY personal ;) /Lorens -- Please have a look at my own Amiga programs at: http://snorslex.amiga.tm ICQ UIN: 12464032 WinErr f3a: Format of drive "a:" failed. Trying "c:" ... --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- ?? BETA TEST our free, real-time technical support service with live experts !! go to EXPERTCITY.COM Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From andrewcrowe@enterprise.net Tue Sep 21 22:33:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.31]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA00345 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 21:37:44 +0100 Received: (qmail 9062 invoked by alias); 21 Sep 1999 21:35:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 8991 invoked from network); 21 Sep 1999 21:35:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.enterprise.net) (194.72.192.18) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 1999 21:35:32 -0000 Received: from enterprise.net (andrewcrowe@max04-070.enterprise.net [194.72.196.190]) by mail.enterprise.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA16540 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:36:01 +0100 (GMT/BST) From: Andrew Crowe To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:33:17 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [040] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Re: A problem(?) with a fan in 1200 (desktop) Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: 8fc0c920f5507fa4acedb9c3a2136174 From: Andrew Crowe Hi Everybody, > I did this, got a fan that I now use, it's square, about 5 cm wide... I have > drilled a square hole in the bottom of my 1200, right under the processor > and put it there... > > My problem is, is it dangerous that the metal thingie that gets cold touches > the memory chips??? It presses abit on them...!!! > > It only touches the top of the chips, not the legs!!!! If in doubt, put some tape over that area. That'll prevent any shorting out. See ya :) -- Manta Soft - Amiga programing & web page designing Http://members.tripod.com/~mantasoft/ ICQ: 21829166 Homepage updated 5/8/99 --- James Bond on GFX Card & CPU players! - ------------------- Quote of the day: -------------------- - Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler. -- Albert Einstein --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Does Windows keep ""bugging"" you? Can't get that PowerPoint slide to fit? Get FREE real-time live expert support over the Internet at expertcity.com. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From SnorsleX@Home.se Tue Sep 21 22:36:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.209]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA00359 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 21:38:39 +0100 Received: (qmail 24831 invoked by alias); 21 Sep 1999 21:36:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 24792 invoked from network); 21 Sep 1999 21:36:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2.home.se) (195.66.45.71) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 1999 21:36:29 -0000 Received: from home.se (Hiya@md4690ea0.utfors.se [212.105.14.160]) by smtp2.home.se (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA19811 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 23:36:59 +0200 (CEST) From: Lorens Johansson To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 23:36:53 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [060] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch X-SenderInfo: 1; homepage="snorslex.amiga.tm"; street="=?iso-8859-1?Q?Durkv=E4gen?= 2"; city="94533 Rosvik"; country="Sweden"; phone="+46-0911-206958"; dob=18011981 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Re: A problem(?) with a fan in 1200 (desktop) Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: 5f6b749c3f78bb20aac17cccf0e24652 From: Lorens Johansson Hi Andrew... >> I did this, got a fan that I now use, it's square, about 5 cm wide... I >> have drilled a square hole in the bottom of my 1200, right under the >> processor and put it there... >> >> My problem is, is it dangerous that the metal thingie that gets cold >> touches >> the memory chips??? It presses abit on them...!!! >> >> It only touches the top of the chips, not the legs!!!! > > If in doubt, put some tape over that area. That'll prevent any shorting > out. What kind of tape would you recommend ?? Any kind? /Lorens -- Please have a look at my own Amiga programs at: http://snorslex.amiga.tm ICQ UIN: 12464032 WinErr 00C: Memory hog error. More RAM needed. More! More! --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Does Windows keep ""bugging"" you? Can't get that PowerPoint slide to fit? Get FREE real-time live expert support over the Internet at expertcity.com. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From jyork@voyager.net Wed Sep 22 19:20:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.245]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA15198 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:25:19 +0100 Received: (qmail 2343 invoked by alias); 22 Sep 1999 18:23:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 1854 invoked from network); 22 Sep 1999 18:22:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail1.voyager.net) (209.153.128.76) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 1999 18:22:43 -0000 Received: from voyager.net (root@as4-dial66.pntc.mi.voyager.net [209.153.138.66]) by mail1.voyager.net (8.9.1/Voyager-MailX) with SMTP id OAA02896 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 14:30:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Jack York To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 14:20:07 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [020] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Bad CD-Rom drive? Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: c5bfdcdc1c5e8d0c8efe74b9c2358656 From: Jack York Hello, I am trying to install a Toshiba 6201 (ext SCSI) CR-Rom drive. The first drive they sent me would not show up on the bus but the tray wouldn't open either so they sent me another. The tray works on this one but it is still not seen on the bus. My question is: if I just hook the drive up to the bus, terminate it and set the proper SCSI id and then run SCSIMounter, should I be able to at least see the drives ID there? I am not seeing anything at that address and the seller is telling me I have it set up wrong. If I plug a known good CD-RW drive in its place, it works. Shouldn't I just be able to plug it in and at least see it on the bus? Jack --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From bunton@acay.com.au Wed Sep 22 23:48:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.245]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA23092 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 23:51:38 +0100 Received: (qmail 25137 invoked by alias); 22 Sep 1999 23:50:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 25029 invoked from network); 22 Sep 1999 23:50:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hamtic.acay.com.au) (203.7.132.2) by pop1.onelist.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 1999 23:50:10 -0000 Received: from acay.com.au (acay01912230.acay.com.au [203.19.122.30]) by acay.com.au (8.9.3+3.2W/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA25924 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:49:55 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <37E96ADF.B6C775FA@acay.com.au> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:48:47 +1000 From: Frank Bunton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,en-GB,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: just-amiga@onelist.com References: Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: Re: [just-amiga] Re: Amiga - any future? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-UIDL: e88e66977f12a6d79b19dcf9f82c2e03 From: Frank Bunton Don and Lynn Benson wrote: > > From: Don and Lynn Benson > In the most part I whole heartedly agree with you. > ... snip ... > I just hope they have not soured the name Amiga to make > it unattractive For my part - the name would not matter. If a new computer came out with Amiga technolgy inside it but a different name that would do me!! Maybe a completely new name would be a good idea to prevent the misconceptions in the non-Amiga community from souring the new product. -- ------------------------------------------------ From:- Frank Bunton E-mail:- mailto:bunton@acay.com.au Web:- http://www.acay.com.au/~bunton HOME OF: AmigaDOS For Beginners ARexx For Beginners How To Write AmigaGuide Docs Phone in Australia:- (02) 43 331 224 Phone ex overseas +61 2 43 331 224 Member of Team *Amiga* Worldwide ------------------------------------------------ --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From dlbenson@psnw.com Thu Sep 23 00:49:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop2.onelist.com [209.207.164.209]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA25924 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 03:34:54 +0100 Received: (qmail 7144 invoked by alias); 23 Sep 1999 03:32:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 7138 invoked from network); 23 Sep 1999 03:32:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sierra.psnw.com) (205.199.144.107) by pop2.onelist.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 1999 03:32:36 -0000 Received: from psnw.com (root@vct1-20.psnw.com [206.43.240.43]) by sierra.psnw.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA22653 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 20:33:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Don and Lynn Benson To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 17:49:40 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <37E96ADF.B6C775FA@acay.com.au> X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [040] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Amiga - any future? Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: 814e5607e90be74abcf70ca80881a05d From: Don and Lynn Benson Hi Frank On 22-Sep-99, Frank Bunton wrote: > From: Frank Bunton > > Don and Lynn Benson wrote: >> >> From: Don and Lynn Benson > >> In the most part I whole heartedly agree with you. >> ... snip ... >> I just hope they have not soured the name Amiga to make >> it unattractive > > For my part - the name would not matter. > > If a new computer came out with Amiga technolgy inside it but a > different name that would do me!! > > Maybe a completely new name would be a good idea to prevent the > misconceptions in the non-Amiga community from souring the new > product. > I definitely and wholeheartedly agree 100% with that. The best thing is that it is entirely possible to do, but does any developer think it is worth the expenditure. We can only hope there is at least one out there. -----Don --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- BETA TEST expertcity.com's new online, real-time, technical support service! Let our live experts help you with your computer now. IT'S FREE! ! ! Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From p.collins@eisa.net.au Thu Sep 23 22:20:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop2.onelist.com [209.207.164.209]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA08879 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 23:23:54 +0100 Received: (qmail 30898 invoked by alias); 23 Sep 1999 23:21:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 30849 invoked from network); 23 Sep 1999 23:21:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO melb-mail.edge.net.au) (203.166.224.42) by pop2.onelist.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 1999 23:21:41 -0000 Received: from eisa.net.au (p.collinseisa.net.au@ppps07-35.eisa.net.au [203.166.242.155]) by melb-mail.edge.net.au (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA10380 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:30:22 +1000 From: Phil Collins To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:20:16 +1100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [040] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Re: 15-23 pin VGA adaptor? Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: 56346cc408372b1ada0c019d7505e122 From: Phil Collins On 17-Sep-99, you wrote: > From: Chris Seward > > All, > > I've had this question sent into thee 'general@aio.co.uk' > address and wondered if anyone knew where you could get one > from? > > "I`m trying to get hold of a 15 - 23 pin VGA adapter for my > A1200 and wondered > if you cold tell me where I could get one Thanks for your help > " > > I've told him to try Eyetech but if anyone knows of a place > that has one for certain then let me know please. > > Toodle Pip! Unitech Electronics in Sydney, make all that sort of thing, and would gladly post parts anywhere, I'm sure. Their email address is unitech@ideal.net.au, with a website at http://www.ideal.net.au/~unitech/ Don't tell me you have to come to Australia to get Amiga parts - that's a turn around!! :-) Phil Collins Sydney, Australia --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- ?? BETA TEST our free, real-time technical support service with live experts !! go to EXPERTCITY.COM Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From ja49@rapid.co.uk Sat Sep 25 04:07:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.31]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA17211 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 13:08:53 +0100 Received: (qmail 4958 invoked by alias); 24 Sep 1999 13:07:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 4881 invoked from network); 24 Sep 1999 13:06:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.241) by pop.onelist.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 1999 13:06:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO gandalf.rapid.co.uk) (195.188.0.7) by mta2.onelist.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 1999 13:12:38 -0000 Received: from ja49 (modem140.rapid.co.uk [195.188.2.29]) by gandalf.rapid.co.uk (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id OAA02603 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 14:08:35 +0100 Message-ID: <001f01bf070b$8007e920$1d02bcc3@ja49> From: "Jimithy" To: References: Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 21:07:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: Re: [just-amiga] Re: 15-23 pin VGA adaptor? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-UIDL: 8d84699214fea6876ad87c0d1fb49fbb From: "Jimithy" ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil Collins To: Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 3:20 PM Subject: [just-amiga] Re: 15-23 pin VGA adaptor? > > I've had this question sent into thee 'general@aio.co.uk' > > address and wondered if anyone knew where you could get one > > from? > > > > "I`m trying to get hold of a 15 - 23 pin VGA adapter for my > > A1200 and wondered > > if you cold tell me where I could get one Thanks for your help > > " > > > > I've told him to try Eyetech but if anyone knows of a place > > that has one for certain then let me know please. > > > > Toodle Pip! > I have a spare one if you want it then mail me privately and I`ll send it to you. Jim --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! 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Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From Rich.Holtzschue@f2020.n147.z1.fidonet.org Fri Sep 24 14:49:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.223]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA20928 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:22:33 +0100 Received: (qmail 15561 invoked by alias); 24 Sep 1999 17:21:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 15168 invoked from network); 24 Sep 1999 17:21:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.239) by pop1.onelist.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 1999 17:21:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sandbox.dynip.com) (216.14.25.10) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 1999 17:20:22 -0000 Received: (from fnet@localhost) by sandbox.dynip.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA06972 for just-amiga@onelist.com; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:20:04 -0500 Apparently-To: just-amiga@onelist.com To: just-amiga@onelist.com From: Rich Holtzschue Date: Fri, 24 Sep 99 09:49:00 -0500 Message-ID: <938199078@f2020.n147.z1.ftn> X-FTN-CHRS: LATIN-1 2 X-FTN-ORIGCHRS: IBMPC 2 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: DLGMail 1.27 RE025 X-FTN-FLAGS: PVT K/S X-FTN-PID: DLGMail 1.27 RE025 X-FTN-Via: DLGMail @ 1:147/2020.0 (primary default address) Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] What's in a name? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-UIDL: b004f090d930cef8829baabab2bc8ef8 From: Rich Holtzschue Greets- From: Don and Lynn Benson To: just-amiga@onelist.com Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com From: Don and Lynn Benson Hi Frank On 22-Sep-99, Frank Bunton wrote: > From: Frank Bunton > > Don and Lynn Benson wrote: >> >> From: Don and Lynn Benson > >> In the most part I whole heartedly agree with you. >> ... snip ... >> I just hope they have not soured the name Amiga to make >> it unattractive > > For my part - the name would not matter. > > If a new computer came out with Amiga technolgy inside it but a > different name that would do me!! > > Maybe a completely new name would be a good idea to prevent the > misconceptions in the non-Amiga community from souring the new > product. > DALB> I definitely and wholeheartedly agree 100% with that. The best DALB> thing is that it is entirely possible to do, but does any DALB> developer think it is worth the expenditure. We can only hope DALB> there is at least one out there. I recently ran across a msg that I agreed with but wouldn't have thought it was as prevailent as this. Hope larry (and others) doesn't mind the cross post. -copy- -copy- -copy- -copy- -copy- -copy- -copy- -copy- -copy- From: lnbolch@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca To: lnbolch Reply-To: teamamiga@thule.no > .... Back in the days when C= > had organized a group to interface to federal organizations they showed > up at one of the computer/electronic exhibits sponsered by NASA at the > Langley research center. They displayed the A3000 and the A3000UX. Just > about the only comments I heard were along the lines of "What's a toy > company doing at a computer show?" L Bolch:- No question that was the attitude in the late 80's. The interesting thing is that games are largely driving computer evolution now. With the perspective of a decade, people are realizing that much of what is new and slick on the PC and Mac was being done with our "game machine" in 1985. The insult of 1989 has become the supreme compliment of 1999. I would love to be conceited enough to think that nVidia, Matrox, ATI, 3Dlabs and all are developing boards for my 3-D excesses, but those billions are being spent to corral the games players first. We enjoy the fall-out. The budget for a game rivals that of movies as does the profit. Look at all the press coverage surrounding Sega and Sony's new consols. Games are big business now and getting a LOT of respect. We tend to think that the on-line community is the whole Amiga community. We are just the loud ones who get noticed, and may well be just the small but visible tip of a rather large iceberg. I am constantly running into people involved with other systems who have nothing but respect and admiration for what Amiga pioneered. A honcho from Tandem told me that throughout his company, Amigas were pervasive - the engineers regarded them as micro-mainframes, using them much as you do, as a programming sketch-pad at home. A lot of people programming in the Windows market, started with Amigas and still have them at home. Had lunch with one last Saturday. The company he works for is releasing a pretty major application this week and he was the architect. He is still an enthusiastic member of AmiCUE. Many of the AmiTrix group work for other system companies as their day jobs, but still develop and distribute Amiga products. They just completed the legal paper work for the browser in OS3.5, and it should now be in Haage & Partner's hands. As of last Thursday, Dale and Yvon had pretty much wrapped up the coding. Amigas have been and ARE STILL BEING USED throughout the whole television and video industry - at least in North America. Probably 99% of the professionals working in the CG/FX production houses began their careers or caught the love of CG/FX on Amigas and speak with great nostalgia about them. NewTekniques Magazine is still loaded with Amiga features, news and ads. Many who work with SGI and NT machines still have their Miggies at home. A whole 'nuther community - perhaps larger even than this on-line bunch. A big difference is that they don't - and never did - regard the Amiga in the way that the religious cast does. It was a special tool that empowered them to realize their vision with as little computer clutter as possible getting in the way. They are not inclined toward the emotionalism we see here, but would be delighted to move back to contemporary Amiga systems. Easy network rendering on scalable MP machines plus LightWave and CG/FX would be back. NewTek for example, is saturated with Amigans and as they have expressed many times on the LightWave mailing list, they would love to have new Amiga systems to develop for. There is probably another community - equally silent - built around scientific visualization. Paula would probably know. In any case we are not alone. > If the general computing press isn't aware of what lineage of the new > machine is, they probably wouldn't get the information right in the first > place, and what is wrong with "It's not an Amiga. XYZ embraces the concepts > that created a community of zealots, but this time they did it right." Nothing whatever. However, the computer industry has spawned firms of highly professional information disseminators who can get the message to those who can do the client the most good. A whole lot different than sending off press releases - as has been the style of the Amiga stragglers if any effort at all is made. These people personally know writers and editors and work with them to get accurate stories in the general computing press through actual personal contact. A major story in "Wired" would be the equivalent of years of full page ads in the Amiga magazines that remain. Some may sneer at the pretensions of "Wired", but it is avidly read by a lot of well-heeled consumers who have the pocket change to buy expensive new technology on a whim. > Since the new machine won't really be an Amiga in the classic sense, > perhaps changing the name might not be a loss of anything except a > big dose of nostolgia. By itself, the name is not likely to draw users > from the PC or MAC bases. The only way you will do that is to offer > something that is far better for the same price, or every bit as good > for a far lower price. But... you will still have to market it. A new name is likely to be viewed as another Be. A system that started development in the early '90s - a system that never gets to market. Yes, there are people using Be, but they tend to be programmers developing programs to show each other. Another "private label" system is not what we need. Having the name "Amiga" is no guarantee of success - nothing is a guarantee of success except immense amounts of cash and marketing, and a sterling product with game and application software better than WIntels and Macs. Otherwise it will simply be a private label that does a production run for us and then vanishes. If someone can come up with a killer app, there is always a chance that it will dominate a niche and survive - even if it does not become a contender in the Mac/PC marketplace. Another e-mail app won't be it. The name however, will alert folks from the Mac and PC communities that the Amiga is back in contemporary garb. They are not so insular as you might think. We have had many visitors from the Mac user group at AmiCUE over the years. Of course, these are mature enthusiasts - not the bulk of users for whom it is only a working tool. As an aside, one visit took place by a cross section of the Mac user group exec, to try and find out what we were doing right. At that meeting, we had around 50 people show up - counting guests. The Mac guys were boggled - they had over 400 members and were lucky to get 10% at any meeting. We had about 40 members at the time - something like a 125% turnout! larry! -end copy- -end copy- -end copy- -end copy- -end copy- -end copy- I know several that started on Amiga and went to CGI foundries, peesea developer houses, or became mainframe programmers/controlers/adins. Most still have their Amiga h'ware and, I think, most would be interested in a new Amiga with current or better features/capabilities. I agree with several on the TA list, if the name can be had for reasonable, or maybe even slightly less than reasonable, cost then I think it would be worth it. The highly recognizable name and badges (boing ball and/or rainbow checkmark) would be more than worth the equivalent mucho expensive ad work needed to push a new name. Fleecy and Bill McEwen (Amino) are talking to AI to see if something can be worked out. The Phoenix group seems to be behind them 100%. Meanwhile, back at the ranch... Dirk Harlar(sp?) of the Ripper list has stumbled across indications of a new Amiga box coming out soon. He says they are rolling off the assembly lines even as you read this. Dirk is excited as he has met with parties involved when He demoed 3.5 in Holland and saw the signed contract. There are low and high end boxes (ruffly equivilent to the 500 and A3/4K only with updated capabilities I assume) that should be available for purchase in 1 or 2 months. He has been sworn to secrecy so will not divulge more. Makes me want to track him down and try a lit'l bamboo-under-fingernails therapy on him. ;^) I'm anxious to know the specs on these new boxes. _rich_ AmigaLine BBS sysop member Team *AMIGA* NOTICE: Last person out please turn off the light at the end of the tunnel. --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From amiga@thefree.net Sat Sep 25 00:01:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop3.onelist.com [209.207.164.213]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA25262 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 23:08:44 +0100 Received: (qmail 24408 invoked by alias); 24 Sep 1999 23:06:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 24389 invoked from network); 24 Sep 1999 23:06:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.239) by pop3.onelist.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 1999 23:06:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO homer.thefree.net) (195.34.192.14) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 1999 23:07:04 -0000 Received: from thefree.net (AIOeditor@nas01-200.135.thefree.net [195.34.200.135]) by homer.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA28010 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 00:40:50 +0100 From: Chris Seward To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 00:01:29 +0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Gateway are b*stards! Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: 87de9eff341cf251e8dcc53142f30f19 From: Chris Seward Dear all, I have just read the news on a mainstream computer news page on teletext on the british channel four, 21/9/99 on page 651. I am sure you'll all know the news now and that is that Amiga will not be making another computer but instead focus on internet applications, again, us the community has been screwed over when everything was going good for the first time. Groups like Digital Corruption complained about Amiga long ago although they went about it in the wrong way they came up with the truth long before most people could see it. I think we have all been wary at times but sometimes have been blind to the facts and been living a pipe dream. Another company has screwed us but I hope we can survive, why should now be the end? there is nothing to pull me to the PC or Mac market so the Amiga is still my number 1 choice and I hope you and all developers will stay with our platform and support it, it is us who can save what we have and no one else now. We have survived since 1993/4 until now so why can't we carry on, I didn't see us still being here 4-5 years later but we still are, we may have lost a few people along the way but if in your heart of hearts you claim to be an Amiga user then stay with us, the elite Amiga users and show the world we care about OUR computer because now it belongs to US. I urge Gateway to sell the rights to Amiga the company to someone who cares and see if anyone will bid for it, they owe us this at least, if they are going to do nothing with it then give someone else a chance, even if no big players buy our computer name then sell it to a smaller company and give us back the name, we don't want to see the word Amiga on an internet box, if we'd have wanted that we would have supported Escom. Some may call this the 3rd time we've been done over or some might say the second but the basic fact is its happend again and its something we have come through before so I see no reason why we can't do it again. The Amiga is our choice, if it wasn't the choice of many then we wouldn't be here now, we would have parted 3 or 4 years ago but we are the REAL users who know our computer and like what it does and what it stands for, lets show the computing world that we are not ready to die even if for the future ahead we can yet see no new computer. My pledge is to make Gateway sell the rights to Amiga to a company of our choice that we support and we back. I don't think we should blame Jim Collas or any Amiga worker because I don't think this is what THEY wanted, of course not, I blame Gateway. Tom Schmidt has been quoted as saying that it was unrealistic, of course it isn't, the Mac is hanging around, people are bored with the PC so it is not unrealistic at all. They have said that they _might_ consider a licence for someone else to work on a new computer but all this really says to me is they believe in the back of their minds that it could take off but they are too gutless to put a bit of effort in and give it a go, with a licence if it doesn't take off then they are safe and if it does they rake in the money. I think we should all email Gateway and tell them what we really think of them and tell them to sell the rights. I would like to say however that I am willing to show my support by making the commitment now that for as long as people want AIO to keep running it will, as long as there is a small readership then it will continue. I would also like to say to everyone reading that I hope you too stick with the Amiga, if you want buy a PC along side then do that but stay with the Amiga, I for one am 100% an Amiga user and for as long as I can see will always be. The Amiga has been a part of my life for as long as I can remember and its not about to die yet. Stay with us, don't let *our* computer fade away. Toodle Pip! -- Chris Seward - Editor, Amiga Information Online *URL* : http://www.aio.co.uk - Email : chris@aio.co.uk - ICQ : 41724074 *Phone* : +44 (0) 7887 664915 - *ACS* : AIOeditor - *IRC* : AIOeditor Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From amiga@thefree.net Sat Sep 25 00:01:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.13]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA25266 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 23:08:48 +0100 Received: (qmail 11934 invoked by alias); 24 Sep 1999 23:06:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 11843 invoked from network); 24 Sep 1999 23:06:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.241) by pop.onelist.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 1999 23:06:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO homer.thefree.net) (195.34.192.14) by mta2.onelist.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 1999 23:12:36 -0000 Received: from thefree.net (AIOeditor@nas01-200.135.thefree.net [195.34.200.135]) by homer.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA28013 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 00:40:52 +0100 From: Chris Seward To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 00:01:32 +0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] IMPORTANT, Bill McEwen has big sleeves :-) Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: 0ce600e2b09a2ccf73b404d1e6aeb629 From: Chris Seward Dear All, Your probably wondering what the hell that topic means right? Well let me tell you, me and a few of the Amiga press have been contacted by the one and only Bill McEwen. I mean he has something up his sleeves and its big, hence the big sleeves joke. I can't say much as the topic was "CONFIDENTIAL" but I will quote a small piece which has nothing to do with the rest of his exciting email, "I did not leave Amiga, Gateway told me to leave." The word from the mouth himself. Toodle Pip! -- Chris Seward - Editor, Amiga Information Online *URL* : http://www.aio.co.uk - Email : chris@aio.co.uk - ICQ : 41724074 *Phone* : +44 (0) 7887 664915 - *ACS* : AIOeditor - *IRC* : AIOeditor Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From amiga@thefree.net Sat Sep 25 00:01:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.31]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA25270 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 23:08:53 +0100 Received: (qmail 7607 invoked by alias); 24 Sep 1999 23:06:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 7601 invoked from network); 24 Sep 1999 23:06:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.239) by pop.onelist.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 1999 23:06:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO homer.thefree.net) (195.34.192.14) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 1999 23:07:16 -0000 Received: from thefree.net (AIOeditor@nas01-200.135.thefree.net [195.34.200.135]) by homer.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA28032 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 00:41:02 +0100 From: Chris Seward To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 00:01:51 +0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Tony Horgan talking out of his organ? Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: 2bf5324419fdb21eac16e903ef7ea9e3 From: Chris Seward In the latest colum in AF 129 I see Tony Horgan has split us users in two reasons for using the computer we do, below are how he sees each reason for using it, - "They favour a particular application that's not available for any other platform" or - "they like being part of a club" This really is the biggest load of bulls**t i've ever heard. I do not use my Amiga because I like one application or even 2,3 or 4 that I could not get on a PC and then the other suggestion is just plain taking the p**s out of us. Neither of these reasons sum up why I personally use the Amiga. I admit the Amiga is not as powerful as the PC but if you want a power machine get a PC, no one is stopping you, we are here for a reason that people can not explain and not put into words, i'm just using my Amiga because I can. You see in the modern world, in most countries we have a choice on what we do, what we say and what damn computer we use. I choice Amiga because its plain and simple I can. I am not living in a cloud thinking that my machine is more powerful than the latest wizz-bang PC, I agree with Tony Horgan whoever does is mad but the reasons he says we use are Amigas are awful. The Amiga does 95% of what I want and the other 5% I can live with out. Have people changed into a mode of lets slag the Amiga off as much as possible to show we are 'funny guys' and can slag off the computer we use? The Amiga is not like a vintage car, we do not get pleasure from polishing it on a sunday and occationally taking it out for a spin as heads turn. Yes, heads probably do turn when I mention to another computer user that I use an Amiga but it isn't a toy computer, its a serious computer. If people used the Amiga for being part of a club then they are not a computer user at all. I think there are a million and one reasons we all use our Amigas, does it really matter why we use them, the fact is we use them, the end to that story. Saying the main two reasons are the ones he states is very narrow minded. Now Tony Horgan to many is seen as a good guy and i'm not complaing about him at all, I like his work and he was one of the best Amiga writers to past through Cu-Amiga but these few comments are badly wrong. So Tony Horgan, what do you like about our club or are you here for that one application you can't find anywhere else. Me, i'm here for the one application.... the application being.... AMIGA Toodle Pip! -- Chris Seward - Editor, Amiga Information Online *URL* : http://www.aio.co.uk - Email : chris@aio.co.uk - ICQ : 41724074 *Phone* : +44 (0) 7887 664915 - *ACS* : AIOeditor - *IRC* : AIOeditor Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From amiga@thefree.net Sat Sep 25 00:01:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.225]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA25286 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 23:09:07 +0100 Received: (qmail 9997 invoked by alias); 24 Sep 1999 23:35:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 9939 invoked from network); 24 Sep 1999 23:35:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.239) by pop1.onelist.com with QMQP; 24 Sep 1999 23:35:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO homer.thefree.net) (195.34.192.14) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 1999 23:07:20 -0000 Received: from thefree.net (AIOeditor@nas01-200.135.thefree.net [195.34.200.135]) by homer.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA28039 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 00:41:06 +0100 From: Chris Seward To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 00:01:58 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: Re: [just-amiga] Re: UK Free ISP with a long distance dialup anybody? plz! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-UIDL: 81a167366ccb7839e40ce41462256728 From: Chris Seward Andrew, On 20-Sep-99, you wrote: > For example, your email is chris.seward@ukonline.co.uk. > For UKOLs 0845 number, chris.seward would be OK, but for an easynet > number, you need all of it. Ahhhh.... didn't realise for the Easynet one you had to enter your whole email address as the username, anyway why would I :)? noone told me that, i just put the username in from the ukonline account, if this works then I owe you!!!! :) *<«THANKS»>* Tweedle Dee! -- Chris Seward - Editor, Amiga Information Online *URL* : http://www.aio.co.uk - Email : chris@aio.co.uk - ICQ : 41724074 *Phone* : +44 (0) 7887 664915 - *ACS* : AIOeditor - *IRC* : AIOeditor Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From kwdjc@wf.net Sat Sep 25 00:09:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop4.onelist.com [209.207.164.243]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA25847 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 00:11:20 +0100 Received: (qmail 11060 invoked by alias); 25 Sep 1999 00:09:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 11031 invoked from network); 25 Sep 1999 00:09:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.239) by pop4.onelist.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 1999 00:09:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wf.net) (208.129.168.4) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 1999 00:09:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 1722 invoked from network); 24 Sep 1999 19:09:42 -0500 Received: from mw-pm2-26.wf.net (HELO wf.net) (208.134.151.65) by odin.wf.net with SMTP; 24 Sep 1999 19:09:42 -0500 From: Kenneth Craig To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 19:09:23 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [040] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Re: IMPORTANT, Bill McEwen has big sleeves :-) Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: 62be7f5a05c4370572357d4a25812b99 From: Kenneth Craig Hello Chris, On 24-Sep-99, Chris Seward wrote: > From: Chris Seward > > Dear All, > > Your probably wondering what the hell that topic means right? Well let > me tell you, me and a few of the Amiga press have been contacted > by the one and only Bill McEwen. I mean he has something up his > sleeves and its big, hence the big sleeves joke. > > I can't say much as the topic was "CONFIDENTIAL" but I will quote > a small piece which has nothing to do with the rest of his exciting > email, > > "I did not leave Amiga, Gateway told me to leave." > > The word from the mouth himself. > Would the words Amino, Aqua, and Pheonix Platform Consortium be what you are on about? :GRIN: > Toodle Pip! Regards Kenneth -- You cannot kill time without injuring eternity. -- Thoreau Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga "Actually, I'm sitting on my butt staring at a computer screen." kwdjc@wf.net UIN 12669981 --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! 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Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From drstrange@jps.net Sat Sep 25 00:49:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.31]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA26102 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 00:52:42 +0100 Received: (qmail 24490 invoked by alias); 25 Sep 1999 00:50:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 24482 invoked from network); 25 Sep 1999 00:50:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.241) by pop.onelist.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 1999 00:50:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp6.jps.net) (209.63.224.103) by mta2.onelist.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 1999 00:56:33 -0000 Received: from jps.net (drstrange@209-239-217-20.lax.jps.net [209.239.217.20]) by smtp6.jps.net (8.9.3/8.9.0) with SMTP id RAA03975 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:51:01 -0700 (PDT) From: - To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:49:51 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [060] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Gateway are b*stards! Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: 2d50104aa11b47ab2a404f08fe7f2015 From: - Howdy Chris On 24-Sep-99, Chris Seward wrote: > From: Chris Seward > My pledge is to make Gateway sell the rights to Amiga to a > company of our choice that we support and we back. Better idea is one I've had for a few years... Key Word: Consortium Sell the rights to a collective of Amiga Software and Hardware developers- people who have PROVEN themselves and might have the combined financial resources to pull this off. All in the consortium would shatre both resources, talent, and (in the end) profits, each according to their best specialties. Amongst the obvious advanbtages, is that the Amiga would be protected from the political rampages of a single company... if one outfit is tired of the Amiga then he can pull out and still leave the others to continue it. If at some later date someone else wants to get in on it, he can by in and start putting his programers/researchers/techies where his mouth is. Have a central board- 1 rep from each company in it, but making sure that at least half of the ones on the board are actual Engineers and one or two knowing somethiung about marketing and the real world- to control the allocation of resources, and then have at it. Just think, say if Haag, Phase 5, Kruse, certain famous individuals in the Amiga community, and maybe even Motorolla could get together (tell motorolla they get a percentage and the freedom to get a say in how They might want to see a real computer made- that would also elliminate the cost for the Consortium actually #buying# the needed CPUs), what a monster machine could be made (without the interference of politics). Then give it some native task emulation for PC and Mac stuff, and start advertising the ultimate desktop supercomputer (Hey- if Apple can call their G4 a Supercomputer with just the one chip, what do you think we could call ours with /FOUR/ G4 chips in parallel). It's the way it should have been done 2 or 3 companies ago. -Later -- I have made this letter longer than usual because I lack the time to make it shorter. -- Blaise Pascal --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From alden1@airmail.net Sat Sep 25 03:54:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.223]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA27358 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 03:56:35 +0100 Received: (qmail 3085 invoked by alias); 25 Sep 1999 03:55:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 3068 invoked from network); 25 Sep 1999 03:55:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.241) by pop1.onelist.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 1999 03:55:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.airmail.net) (206.66.12.40) by mta2.onelist.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 1999 04:00:28 -0000 Received: from airmail.net from [207.136.14.42] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.405) with smtp for sender: id ; Fri, 24 Sep 99 22:54:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Jon Peterson To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 22:54:28 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [060] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Re: IMPORTANT, Bill McEwen has big sleeves :-) Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: eab2ca094b214299c6fb51eb124ac219 From: Jon Peterson Hello Chris On 24-Sep-99, you wrote: > From: Chris Seward > Dear All, > Your probably wondering what the hell that topic means right? Well let > me tell you, me and a few of the Amiga press have been contacted > by the one and only Bill McEwen. I mean he has something up his > sleeves and its big, hence the big sleeves joke. > I can't say much as the topic was "CONFIDENTIAL" but I will quote > a small piece which has nothing to do with the rest of his exciting > email, > "I did not leave Amiga, Gateway told me to leave." > The word from the mouth himself. Seriously hope something is afoot. Let's face it, there was a certain amount of passion in the ways Collas and McEwen parted with Gateway/Amiga. Surely, surely they have not been idle in the interim. Anyone heard from Collas? He certainly has some capital - and vision. Really would be interesting (and most likely very motivational/inspirational) to hear something of his plans. Anyone else curious? Regards --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- BETA TEST expertcity.com's new online, real-time, technical support service! 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Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From Rich.Holtzschue@f2020.n147.z1.fidonet.org Sat Sep 25 02:34:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop3.onelist.com [209.207.164.249]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA27501 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 04:21:39 +0100 Received: (qmail 21504 invoked by alias); 25 Sep 1999 04:20:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 21496 invoked from network); 25 Sep 1999 04:20:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.241) by pop3.onelist.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 1999 04:20:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sandbox.dynip.com) (216.14.25.10) by mta2.onelist.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 1999 04:25:32 -0000 Received: (from fnet@localhost) by sandbox.dynip.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA27125 for just-amiga@onelist.com; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 23:20:02 -0500 Apparently-To: just-amiga@onelist.com To: just-amiga@onelist.com From: Rich Holtzschue Date: Fri, 24 Sep 99 21:34:00 -0500 Message-ID: <938265375@f2020.n147.z1.ftn> X-FTN-CHRS: LATIN-1 2 X-FTN-ORIGCHRS: IBMPC 2 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: DLGMail 1.27 RE025 X-FTN-FLAGS: PVT K/S X-FTN-PID: DLGMail 1.27 RE025 X-FTN-Via: DLGMail @ 1:147/2020.0 (primary default address) Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] umm.. oops. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-UIDL: 05345843937887219d9851982558992d From: Rich Holtzschue Greets- From: Chris Seward To: just-amiga@onelist.com Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com From: Chris Seward CS> Your probably wondering what the hell that topic means right? Well let CS> me tell you, me and a few of the Amiga press have been contacted CS> by the one and only Bill McEwen. I mean he has something up his CS> sleeves and its big, hence the big sleeves joke. Well, it seems that you have already heard from them. My previous msg was unecessary. CS> I can't say much as the topic was "CONFIDENTIAL" but I will quote CS> a small piece which has nothing to do with the rest of his exciting CS> email, CS> "I did not leave Amiga, Gateway told me to leave." CS> The word from the mouth himself. ACK! First Dirk and now you. IT'S NOT FAIR! You turkeys! Sittin' there a lookin' down on us goin', "Nyaahh, nyah, nyah, nyaahh, nyaahh. I know something you don't." :^/ I don't know if I can wait. EEEEEeeeuuugh! (heavy breathing). ... Ok. I'm better now. ... Really .. I am. ... mmmmmMMMMMMGGGAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH! TELL ME! TELL ME NOW! I'VE GOT TO KNOW! TEELLLLLLL MMEEE EE E E E E E E E e e e ! ;^) _rich_ AmigaLine BBS sysop member Team *AMIGA* NOTICE: The light at the end of the tunnel is.. um.. well, DUCK AND COVER! --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From Rich.Holtzschue@f2020.n147.z1.fidonet.org Sat Sep 25 01:07:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop4.onelist.com [209.207.164.235]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA27505 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 04:21:45 +0100 Received: (qmail 32084 invoked by alias); 25 Sep 1999 04:20:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 32069 invoked from network); 25 Sep 1999 04:20:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.241) by pop4.onelist.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 1999 04:20:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sandbox.dynip.com) (216.14.25.10) by mta2.onelist.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 1999 04:25:34 -0000 Received: (from fnet@localhost) by sandbox.dynip.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA27129 for just-amiga@onelist.com; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 23:20:03 -0500 Apparently-To: just-amiga@onelist.com To: just-amiga@onelist.com From: Rich Holtzschue Date: Fri, 24 Sep 99 20:07:00 -0500 Message-ID: <938257194@f2020.n147.z1.ftn> X-FTN-CHRS: LATIN-1 2 X-FTN-ORIGCHRS: IBMPC 2 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: DLGMail 1.27 RE025 X-FTN-FLAGS: PVT K/S X-FTN-PID: DLGMail 1.27 RE025 X-FTN-Via: DLGMail @ 1:147/2020.0 (primary default address) Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] The Phoenix also rises. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-UIDL: 8cda32fc13305433f52eb9062b04779f From: Rich Holtzschue Greets- From: Chris Seward To: just-amiga@onelist.com Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com From: Chris Seward CS> Dear all, CS> I have just read the news on a mainstream computer news page on CS> teletext on the british channel four, 21/9/99 on page 651. I am sure CS> you'll all know the news now and that is that Amiga will not be making CS> another computer but instead focus on internet applications ... O \ / --X--- snip slash Hack WHaCK THWACK --- / \ O Since you are ed for AIO, I've got to believe that you know 'bout PPC (Phoenix Platform Consortium), Amino, Aqua, and AMIE. Surely you realize that "screaming" at Gateway/AI could cause any negotiations that Fleecy Moss, Bill McEwen, or anyone else involved, all sots of problems. They are talking to AI in an attempt get the Amiga name, possibly the badges (boing ball, rainbow check mark) and whatever else they think necessary or required. There are large group of ppl that you could get pissed at you if you screw up their plans. There is a slight possibility that such action as throwing flames at Gateway would be useful. They have to be smarting from the reaction of all that flamed them for their change in plans. It is concievable that more of the same could push their guilt button hard enuff to cause them to stike a deal more in our favor. I think it would be a good idea to clear this, and coordinate your actions, with Fleecy and Bill. Other than that I applaud and agree with your position and "tude". With the BoXeR near completion and, according to Dirk Harlaar, new Amiga clones, both low end desk top and high end workstation, rolling off the assembly lines now, it's obvious that ppl aren't ready to let the Amiga die. Let's all pull in the same direction and prove to G2K/AI how wrong they were. With names like Dave Haynie, Fleecy Moos, Bill McEwen, Carl Sassenrath, Wolf Dietrich, Dan Dodge, and many others from the Amiga h'ware and s'ware developers industry (with more joining every minute), things are looking up. As one old movie line goes, "We're mad as hell, and we're not going to take it any more". Or as Popeye says, "I c'n stands no more!". Let's do it ppl. Let's show the corporations we will not be dictated to. _rich_ AmigaLine BBS sysop member Team *AMIGA* NOTICE: Last person out please turn off the light at the end of the tunnel. --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From ianurie@jwu.u-net.com Sat Sep 25 16:06:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.159]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA29937 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 10:20:18 +0100 Received: (qmail 28286 invoked by alias); 25 Sep 1999 10:18:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 28279 invoked from network); 25 Sep 1999 10:18:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.241) by pop.onelist.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 1999 10:18:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mserv1a.u-net.net) (195.102.240.34) by mta2.onelist.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 1999 10:24:10 -0000 Received: from [195.102.201.200] (helo=p72.nas4.is5.u-net.net) by mserv1a.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #61) id 11UovX-0004BJ-00 for just-amiga@onelist.com; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 11:19:35 +0100 Date: 25 Sep 99 11:06:05 -0500 From: "Ian Urie" To: "Rich Holtzschue" In-Reply-To: <938257194@f2020.n147.z1.ftn> Message-ID: <1392.937T258T6663713ianurie@jwu.u-net.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Organization: At Home X-Installer: Wirenet 1.8 X-Mailer: THOR 2.6 (Amiga;TCP/IP) Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: Re: [just-amiga] The Phoenix also rises. Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-UIDL: 37105d98f612a8f973d2a7960063c1e9 From: "Ian Urie" On 24-Sep-99 20:07:00, Rich Holtzschue said about [just-amiga] The Phoenix also rises.: > From: Rich Holtzschue > O > Since you are ed for AIO, I've got to believe that you know 'bout PP > (Phoenix Platform Consortium), Amino, Aqua, and AMIE. Surely you realize th > "screaming" at Gateway/AI could cause any negotiations that Fleecy Moss, Bil > McEwen, or anyone else involved, all sots of problems. They are talking to > in an attempt get the Amiga name, possibly the badges (boing ball, rainbow c > mark) and whatever else they think necessary or required. There are large g > of ppl that you could get pissed at you if you screw up their plans. Lets get real here....Gateway pulled the plug on the MMC regardless of current users wishes!! Sending them e-mail isn't going to upset them in the slightest,or they would have changed their minds. The user base is now so small that they don't care what we think and have shown their indifference by their actions!!! Gateway will,as usual,look at the bottom line in relation to any dealings with other parties ie if they stand to make money from it without any effort on their part,it'll go ahead. Flame them!!! Why not nuke them :)) -- Ian Urie Uin:19729444 Cross-country skiing is great in small countries. --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From sandy@brownlee99.freeserve.co.uk Sat Sep 25 12:24:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.31]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA31413 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 13:50:13 +0100 Received: (qmail 18095 invoked by alias); 25 Sep 1999 13:48:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 18081 invoked from network); 25 Sep 1999 13:48:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.241) by pop.onelist.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 1999 13:48:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail12.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.215) by mta2.onelist.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 1999 13:53:56 -0000 Received: from modem-123.caffeine.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.56.123] helo=brownlee99.freeserve.co.uk ident=Sanderson) by mail12.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11UsBb-0006d6-00 for just-amiga@onelist.com; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 14:48:24 +0100 From: Sandy Brownlee To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 13:24:58 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [040] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Re: IMPORTANT, Bill McEwen has big sleeves :-) Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: 2db3297a292a7c5875e24149b6c49b48 From: Sandy Brownlee Hello Chris On 25-Sep-99, you wrote: > I can't say much as the topic was "CONFIDENTIAL" but I will quote > a small piece which has nothing to do with the rest of his exciting > email, Please tell us, pretty please! (I hate NDAs & stuff) > "I did not leave Amiga, Gateway told me to leave." > > The word from the mouth himself. > > Toodle Pip! According to AF, he wasn't making money, so was chucked. I wouldn't be surprised if this was the case, but at the same time, I wouldn't be shocked if AF were wrong. The real concern was Jim leaving; someone must have heard something from him? Regards, Sandy Brownlee. ----------------------------- Who else would have a sig like this? --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From amiga@thefree.net Sat Sep 25 15:11:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.13]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA31709 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 14:24:54 +0100 Received: (qmail 17532 invoked by alias); 25 Sep 1999 14:22:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 17327 invoked from network); 25 Sep 1999 14:22:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.241) by pop.onelist.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 1999 14:22:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO homer.thefree.net) (195.34.192.14) by mta2.onelist.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 1999 14:28:22 -0000 Received: from thefree.net (AIOeditor@nas03-197.113.thefree.net [195.34.197.113]) by homer.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA13611 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 15:56:45 +0100 From: Chris Seward To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 15:11:04 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: Re: [just-amiga] Re: IMPORTANT, Bill McEwen has big sleeves :-) Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: 9b61b57b6cbf01d83ac0f9ebe0a85295 From: Chris Seward Kenneth, On 25-Sep-99, you wrote: > Would the words Amino, Aqua, and Pheonix Platform Consortium be what you > are on about? :GRIN: Errr, his message was posted to 'us' after you posted your Pheonix post, so no :) But I do notice he comes under the company 'Amino' in that release. You'll just have to wait and see. Regards -- Chris Seward - Editor, Amiga Information Online *URL* : http://www.aio.co.uk - Email : chris@aio.co.uk - ICQ : 41724074 *Phone* : +44 (0) 7887 664915 - *ACS* : AIOeditor - *IRC* : AIOeditor Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From ianurie@jwu.u-net.com Sat Sep 25 20:49:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop2.onelist.com [209.207.164.209]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA31939 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 14:51:13 +0100 Received: (qmail 16482 invoked by alias); 25 Sep 1999 14:49:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 16372 invoked from network); 25 Sep 1999 14:49:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.239) by pop2.onelist.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 1999 14:49:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mserv1c.u-net.net) (195.102.240.33) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 1999 14:49:35 -0000 Received: from [195.102.201.200] (helo=p72.nas4.is5.u-net.net) by mserv1c.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #34) id 11UtA9-0005G9-00 for just-amiga@onelist.com; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 14:50:58 +0000 Date: 25 Sep 99 15:49:11 -0500 From: "Ian Urie" To: "Rich Holtzschue" In-Reply-To: <938257194@f2020.n147.z1.ftn> Message-ID: <795.937T572T9493687ianurie@jwu.u-net.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Organization: At Home X-Installer: Wirenet 1.8 X-Mailer: THOR 2.6 (Amiga;TCP/IP) Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: Re: [just-amiga] The Phoenix also rises. Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-UIDL: 0f8392d05ba4b670c053442154727908 From: "Ian Urie" On 24-Sep-99 20:07:00, Rich Holtzschue said about [just-amiga] The Phoenix also rises.: > From: Rich Holtzschue > With the BoXeR near completion and, according to Dirk Harlaar, new Amiga > clones both low end desk top and high end workstation, rolling off the >assembly line..... >From all the news...the Boxer is released...and according to the IWin site ,they started production of their new Amiga compatible range on 9/8/99. They also say you will be able to buy them at the end of September!! If thats right,theres not long to go until we are spoiled for choice! -- Ian Urie Uin:19729444 Never hit a man with glasses. Hit him with something bigger and heavier! --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! 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Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From Rich.Holtzschue@f2020.n147.z1.fidonet.org Sat Sep 25 13:25:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.13]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA32176 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 15:21:59 +0100 Received: (qmail 10322 invoked by alias); 25 Sep 1999 15:19:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 10194 invoked from network); 25 Sep 1999 15:19:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.241) by pop.onelist.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 1999 15:19:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sandbox.dynip.com) (216.14.25.10) by mta2.onelist.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 1999 15:25:31 -0000 Received: (from fnet@localhost) by sandbox.dynip.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA04567 for just-amiga@onelist.com; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 10:20:01 -0500 Apparently-To: just-amiga@onelist.com To: just-amiga@onelist.com From: Rich Holtzschue Date: Sat, 25 Sep 99 08:25:00 -0500 Message-ID: <938221073@f2020.n147.z1.ftn> X-FTN-CHRS: LATIN-1 2 X-FTN-ORIGCHRS: IBMPC 2 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: DLGMail 1.27 RE025 X-FTN-FLAGS: PVT K/S X-FTN-PID: DLGMail 1.27 RE025 X-FTN-Via: DLGMail @ 1:147/2020.0 (primary default address) Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Can you say consortium? I knew you could! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-UIDL: 6025b5b686c08419ac8aa019da3a6c85 From: Rich Holtzschue Greets- From: - To: just-amiga@onelist.com Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com From: - On 24-Sep-99, Chris Seward wrote: CS> From: Chris Seward CS> My pledge is to make Gateway sell the rights to Amiga to a CS> company of our choice that we support and we back. DS> Better idea is one I've had for a few years... DS> Key Word: Consortium DS> Sell the rights to a collective of Amiga Software and Hardware developers- DS> people who have PROVEN themselves and might have the combined financial DS> resources to pull this off. - snipage of neat consortium stuff - You wouldn't be talking 'bout Phoenix and Amino now would you? :^)P _rich_ AmigaLine BBS sysop member Team *AMIGA* Fair skinned use SPF30 before exposure to the light at the end of the tunnel. --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From amiga@thefree.net Sat Sep 25 18:05:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.13]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA01260 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 19:04:37 +0100 Received: (qmail 16361 invoked by alias); 25 Sep 1999 19:02:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 16356 invoked from network); 25 Sep 1999 19:02:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.239) by pop.onelist.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 1999 19:02:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO homer.thefree.net) (195.34.192.14) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 1999 19:02:56 -0000 Received: from thefree.net (AIOeditor@nas01-200.227.thefree.net [195.34.200.227]) by homer.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA19332 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 20:36:50 +0100 From: Chris Seward To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 18:05:30 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <938265375@f2020.n147.z1.ftn> X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: Re: [just-amiga] umm.. oops. Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: 912a567607cb1530a193c5581db458e4 From: Chris Seward Rich, On 25-Sep-99, you wrote: > ACK! First Dirk and now you. IT'S NOT FAIR! You turkeys! Sittin' > there a lookin' down on us goin', "Nyaahh, nyah, nyah, nyaahh, nyaahh. I know > something you don't." :^/ I don't know if I can wait. EEEEEeeeuuugh! > (heavy breathing). ... Ok. I'm better now. ... Really .. I am. ... Its not a case of knowing something you don't. Its not my fault that I can't release what he has said, he hasn't said that much but all I want to do is tell you something has been said not showing off that I know more. Toodle Pip! -- Chris Seward - Editor, Amiga Information Online *URL* : http://www.aio.co.uk - Email : chris@aio.co.uk - ICQ : 41724074 *Phone* : +44 (0) 7887 664915 - *ACS* : AIOeditor - *IRC* : AIOeditor Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From amiga@thefree.net Sat Sep 25 18:59:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.135.253]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA01266 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 19:05:01 +0100 Received: (qmail 31911 invoked by alias); 25 Sep 1999 19:02:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 31510 invoked from network); 25 Sep 1999 19:02:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.241) by pop.onelist.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 1999 19:02:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO homer.thefree.net) (195.34.192.14) by mta2.onelist.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 1999 19:08:30 -0000 Received: from thefree.net (AIOeditor@nas01-200.227.thefree.net [195.34.200.227]) by homer.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA19341 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 20:36:54 +0100 From: Chris Seward To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 18:59:45 +0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Amiga no go news? (fwd) Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: 4ce927fbea1bdab7d32ca6f0fa074b06 From: Chris Seward Dear All, I wrote to Petro after 'the' announcement to ask some things and thought you may want to read his reply. These are the words of Petro Tyschtschenko. --- Dear Chris, do not worry...Thanks for your mail......Unfortuneately I have had no influence to the development in the last weeks.My understanding is that it is AMIGA Incs dream to build a ubiquitous platform that can succeed in the environment of the future, not an unsuccessful computer that is rooted in the past. The dream of ubiquitous computing and a common amiga interface across multiple devices (PC`s, Mac`s, phones, TV`s, PDA`s, cars, Internet, etc) is the direction of AMIGA Inc. GW wants AMIGA to be pervasive and in use by millions. Maybe an exciting adventure into the future. I am quite sure that there are also someone enterprising people which are willing to continue with the existing AMIGA technology...and I will support those of course. I will continue to support my A 1200 sales with spareparts and service as long as it is requested from our Amiga community and for the benifit of my beloved AMIGA. Our Os 3.5 will be available in the next 2-3 weeks. Best regards Petro --- Toodle Pip! -- Chris Seward - Editor, Amiga Information Online *URL* : http://www.aio.co.uk - Email : chris@aio.co.uk - ICQ : 41724074 *Phone* : +44 (0) 7887 664915 - *ACS* : AIOeditor - *IRC* : AIOeditor Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From amiga@thefree.net Sat Sep 25 17:51:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.229]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA01270 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 19:05:21 +0100 Received: (qmail 22444 invoked by alias); 25 Sep 1999 19:03:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 21974 invoked from network); 25 Sep 1999 19:03:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.241) by pop1.onelist.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 1999 19:03:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO homer.thefree.net) (195.34.192.14) by mta2.onelist.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 1999 19:08:23 -0000 Received: from thefree.net (AIOeditor@nas01-200.227.thefree.net [195.34.200.227]) by homer.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA19329 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 20:36:48 +0100 From: Chris Seward To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 17:51:51 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <938257194@f2020.n147.z1.ftn> X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: Re: [just-amiga] The Phoenix also rises. Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: f5359ac2cea81554ca89535d3fb9852a From: Chris Seward Rich, On 25-Sep-99, you wrote: > Since you are ed for AIO, I've got to believe that you know 'bout PPC > (Phoenix Platform Consortium), Amino, Aqua, and AMIE. Surely you realize that > "screaming" at Gateway/AI could cause any negotiations that Fleecy Moss, Bill > McEwen, or anyone else involved, all sots of problems. I know very little apart from what Bill McEwen has posted. I doubt Gateway are going to say that editor of AIO bloke said some stuff about us now we are going to stop everything. They stopped the Amiga MMC easily enough, don't forget they are a big company who cares about nothing much as long as they make profit, they don't care what any of us say otherwise the Amiga MCC would still be on. > There are large group of ppl that you could get pissed at you if you screw > up their plans. I doubt it seriously. If I wanted my views noticed I would have sent it further than just this mailing list. I speak my mind, sometimes people don't like that but i'm not one for hiding the truth or my ideas. Tweedle Dee! -- Chris Seward - Editor, Amiga Information Online *URL* : http://www.aio.co.uk - Email : chris@aio.co.uk - ICQ : 41724074 *Phone* : +44 (0) 7887 664915 - *ACS* : AIOeditor - *IRC* : AIOeditor Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From kwdjc@wf.net Sat Sep 25 19:24:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop4.onelist.com [209.207.164.243]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA01458 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 19:25:46 +0100 Received: (qmail 10186 invoked by alias); 25 Sep 1999 19:24:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 10156 invoked from network); 25 Sep 1999 19:24:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.241) by pop4.onelist.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 1999 19:24:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wf.net) (208.129.168.4) by mta2.onelist.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 1999 19:29:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 17840 invoked from network); 25 Sep 1999 14:24:09 -0500 Received: from mw-pm2-29.wf.net (HELO wf.net) (208.134.151.68) by odin.wf.net with SMTP; 25 Sep 1999 14:24:09 -0500 From: Kenneth Craig To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 14:24:03 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [040] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Re: umm.. oops. Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: 281b0283f4f942b9caa65ff0c9555eb6 From: Kenneth Craig Hello Chris, On 25-Sep-99, Chris Seward wrote: > From: Chris Seward > > Rich, > > On 25-Sep-99, you wrote: > >> ACK! First Dirk and now you. IT'S NOT FAIR! You turkeys! > Sittin' >> there a lookin' down on us goin', "Nyaahh, nyah, nyah, nyaahh, >> nyaahh. > I know >> something you don't." :^/ I don't know if I can wait. EEEEEeeeuuugh! >> (heavy breathing). ... Ok. I'm better now. ... Really .. I am. > ... > > Its not a case of knowing something you don't. Its not my fault that I > can't release what he has said, he hasn't said that much but all I > want to do is tell you something has been said not showing off that > I know more. > > Don't worry, Chris. We all know there is something going on and are awaiting the good news. While we are waiting you might try out this URL: http://www.amino1.net Nothing much there but nice anyway. 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Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From ja-list@tkgbbs.freeserve.co.uk Sat Sep 25 13:29:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop4.onelist.com [209.207.164.235]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA02309 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 21:01:52 +0100 Received: (qmail 4105 invoked by alias); 25 Sep 1999 20:59:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 4075 invoked from network); 25 Sep 1999 20:59:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.241) by pop4.onelist.com with QMQP; 25 Sep 1999 20:59:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail6.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.212) by mta2.onelist.com with SMTP; 25 Sep 1999 21:04:37 -0000 Received: from modem-103.lidocaine.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.60.103] helo=tkgbbs.freeserve.co.uk) by mail6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11UyuR-0005cK-00 for just-amiga@onelist.com; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 21:59:08 +0100 Received: by tkgbbs.freeserve.co.uk.tantulum.dialup.pol.co.uk (Amiga SMTPpost 1.04 December 9, 1994) id AA01; Sat, 25 Sep 99 17:27:00 From: ja-list@tkgbbs.freeserve.co.uk Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 13:29:55 GMT Organization: Zeus Developments http://www.bleach.demon.co.uk/ Message-Id: <37ED5A44.1A6D@tkgbbs.freeserve.co.uk> X-MailReader: Zeus BBS v1.2 #3E9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: just-amiga@onelist.com Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Paul Cavanagh @ AF making me laugh! Content-Type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-UIDL: c9a48c33f0bdcf14ce98421c00e1c6f2 From: ja-list@tkgbbs.freeserve.co.uk On Sunday September 19 1999, Chris Seward said to All: CS> The first knowledge of Paul Cavanagh was when he called my up saying he CS> was reviewing Wasted Dreams for AF, as I am the UK Distributer for the CS> game I offered him the advice and then see the review which gives the CS> game 72% overall. Not wanting to sound bias but even if I wasn't the UK CS> Distributer I would certainly give it a hell of a lot more than that as CS> most of the people who registered it did. I was a bit stunned that he gave it a mark like that. His excuse seemed to be that it was 'slow' and you needed patience. Gosh, it's not StarWars:Pod Racers then? :-) CS> Is Mr. Cavanagh up for the job? Why didn't AF employ an Amiga fan and CS> not someone who packed up their Amiga well over 2 years ago? I think Future try to allocate writers to magazines - a few years ago they put someone in charge as editor who didn't have an Amiga, at all, if you remember. -- Neil Williams, Wrexham, Wales mailto:neil@aio.co.uk ICQ:18223711 SlamMail & Zeus BBS Developer/TKG SysOp/RC5 Amiga Team/AIO News Editor Zeus Developments - http://www.bleach.demon.co.uk/zeus/ --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From tony@merlin.net.au Sun Sep 26 12:52:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop3.onelist.com [209.207.164.221]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA08940 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 14:26:26 +0100 Received: (qmail 10492 invoked by alias); 26 Sep 1999 14:25:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 10485 invoked from network); 26 Sep 1999 14:25:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.239) by pop3.onelist.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 1999 14:25:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO arthur.merlin.net.au) (203.20.229.1) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 1999 14:24:48 -0000 Received: from .merlin.net.au (tony@ppp38a.merlin.net.au [203.20.229.165]) by arthur.merlin.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA14437 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 23:54:42 +0930 From: "Tony P. Parr" To: Just Amiga Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 23:52:27 +1100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [020] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] PureAmiga Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-UIDL: 18372c5f4ab6de8a37a65aabd688636d From: "Tony P. Parr" Greetings Âll... Can anyone tell me how to subscribe to the "PureAmiga" ML, please? Cop 'U Later... Tiny ----- */Philosopical persiflage:/* -------- ------- ------ ----- ---- --- -- - A miracle would definitely be a step in the right direction. -- Anon *Tony P. 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Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From sandy@gudgeon.net Sun Sep 26 15:45:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.13]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA09151 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 14:59:29 +0100 Received: (qmail 26779 invoked by alias); 26 Sep 1999 14:57:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 26561 invoked from network); 26 Sep 1999 14:57:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.241) by pop.onelist.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 1999 14:57:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mserv1a.u-net.net) (195.102.240.34) by mta2.onelist.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 1999 15:02:58 -0000 Received: from [195.102.195.141] (helo=p13.nas4.is2.u-net.net) by mserv1a.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #61) id 11VFks-0003Yl-00 for just-amiga@onelist.com; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 15:58:23 +0100 Date: 26 Sep 99 15:45:32 +0000 From: "Sandy Gudgeon" To: "Tony P. Parr" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <265.938T1633T9454479sandy@gudgeon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.6 (Amiga;TCP/IP) Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: Re: [just-amiga] PureAmiga Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-UIDL: f103a4ab636ff2261fd0da395832adac From: "Sandy Gudgeon" --- On 26-Sep-99 12:52:27, Tony P. Parr said about [just-amiga] PureAmiga: > Can anyone tell me how to subscribe to the "PureAmiga" ML, please? Just like just-amiga, the pureamiga list is hosted by onelist. http://www.onelist.com list pamiga -- Sandy Gudgeon --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From oliver.roberts@iname.com Sun Sep 26 14:58:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.31]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA09367 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 15:22:13 +0100 Received: (qmail 19498 invoked by alias); 26 Sep 1999 15:19:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 19308 invoked from network); 26 Sep 1999 15:19:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.241) by pop.onelist.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 1999 15:19:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail12.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.215) by mta2.onelist.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 1999 15:25:25 -0000 Received: from modem-108.greedy.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.149.236] ident=oliver) by mail12.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11VG5k-0006q0-00 for just-amiga@onelist.com; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 16:19:56 +0100 Date: 26 Sep 99 15:58:09 +0100 From: "Oliver Roberts" To: "Tony P. Parr" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <518.938T474T9582374oliver.roberts@iname.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.6 (Amiga;TCP/IP) Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: Re: [just-amiga] PureAmiga Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-UIDL: 76ad84abf26e73aee9cf60740604f3ed From: "Oliver Roberts" On 26-Sep-99 13:52:27 BST, Tony P. Parr wrote: > Can anyone tell me how to subscribe to the "PureAmiga" ML, please? Send a blank email to pamiga-subscribe@onelist.com or you can do so via the web interface on www.onelist.com instead, if you wish. -- *Oliver Roberts* - Norwich, UK - Software Developer & Web Designer /oliver.roberts@iname.com/ | /oliver@amigaf1.freeserve.co.uk/ http://www.nanunanu.org/~oliver/ - ICQ: 34640231 -- F1GP-Ed Web Site ==> http://www.nanunanu.org/~oliver/F1GP-Ed/ --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From andy.k2@ukonline.co.uk Sat Sep 25 20:17:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop3.onelist.com [209.207.164.249]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA09760 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 16:15:25 +0100 Received: (qmail 9560 invoked by alias); 26 Sep 1999 16:13:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 9551 invoked from network); 26 Sep 1999 16:13:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.239) by pop3.onelist.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 1999 16:13:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO kiwi.mail.easynet.net) (195.40.1.40) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 1999 16:13:49 -0000 Received: from ukonline.co.uk (tnt-1-51.easynet.co.uk [195.40.206.51]) by kiwi.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1580EDB027 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 17:13:49 +0100 (BST) From: Andy Kinsella To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 21:17:47 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [020] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch Organization: Couldn't organize a piss-up in a brewery MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Paul Cavanagh @ AF making me laugh! Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: 6096d71638a53b6356bd8a3b357e2da7 From: Andy Kinsella Greetings Chris On 19-Sep-99, you wrote: > From: Chris Seward > Hi All, > Well by now most of you are probably bored by my rants at AF and its > staff but i'm going to rant anywa ;) Thats not to say that I don't > like AF because I have actually just taken out a 12 month > subscription with them, if they'll still be around in 12 months is > another matter altogether. > The first knowledge of Paul Cavanagh was when he called my up > saying he was reviewing Wasted Dreams for AF, as I am the UK > Distributer for the game I offered him the advice and then see > the review which gives the game 72% overall. Not wanting to sound > bias but even if I wasn't the UK Distributer I would certainly > give it a hell of a lot more than that as most of the people who > registered it did. I don't see what the big deal his. If he thinks the game is only worthy of 72%, then that's what he should give it. He gave his opinion; that's what reviewers do. If you don't agree with it; well, them's the breaks. My favourite piece of software scored about 76% or something the last time it was reviewed in a mag'; while an inferior product of the same genre consistently scored over 90%. Oh well. > Toodle Pip! Regards Andy -- *FUBAR*@http://www.rosande.nu /PGP Key available on request/ -- --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From jyork@voyager.net Sun Sep 26 19:04:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop3.onelist.com [209.207.164.247]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA10905 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 18:17:31 +0100 Received: (qmail 15477 invoked by alias); 26 Sep 1999 18:15:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 15454 invoked from network); 26 Sep 1999 18:15:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.241) by pop3.onelist.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 1999 18:15:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail1.voyager.net) (209.153.128.76) by mta2.onelist.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 1999 18:21:24 -0000 Received: from voyager.net (root@as1-dial123.pntc.mi.voyager.net [216.93.44.123]) by mail1.voyager.net (8.9.1/Voyager-MailX) with SMTP id OAA27285 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 14:24:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Jack York To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 14:04:07 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [020] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Monitor Questions Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: 11a61df7b1cd15a59035b5a3bc3ba0f5 From: Jack York Hello, I am looking into getting a larger monitor ( 15 to 17 "). I remember that there was something specific needed for the monitor to work on an Amiga but I can't remeber what it was ( I think it had to do with the scan rate). Does anyone know offhand what the requirements are or where I can find out? Also, the monitor on my spare Amiga went bad. I have a spare 1084S setting around. Can someone tell me if this will work on an A3000 with a graphics board? The cable from the monitor was made to fit the Amiga's video port while the graphics card has a different type of connector. Is there an adapter? Jack --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From wm.fleming@free4all.co.uk Sun Sep 26 19:34:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop3.onelist.com [209.207.164.213]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA11119 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 18:38:50 +0100 Received: (qmail 15485 invoked by alias); 26 Sep 1999 18:36:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 15478 invoked from network); 26 Sep 1999 18:36:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.239) by pop3.onelist.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 1999 18:36:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.jakinternet.co.uk) (212.41.41.61) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 1999 18:37:14 -0000 Received: from 194.131.242.241 ([194.131.242.241]) by smtp.jakinternet.co.uk ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 19:25:10 -0000 From: "William Fleming" Organization: Private User Date: 26 Sep 99 19:34:55 +0000 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <37ED5A44.1A6D@tkgbbs.freeserve.co.uk> To: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS NC 1.2 [NC2-#000002BA] Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: Re: [just-amiga] Paul Cavanagh @ AF making me laugh! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-UIDL: 15b4fd29ca09c78c73a2a36299710201 From: "William Fleming" > From: ja-list@tkgbbs.freeserve.co.uk > > > On Sunday September 19 1999, Chris Seward said to All: > > CS> The first knowledge of Paul Cavanagh was when he called my up saying he > CS> was reviewing Wasted Dreams for AF, as I am the UK Distributer for the > CS> game I offered him the advice and then see the review which gives the > CS> game 72% overall. Not wanting to sound bias but even if I wasn't the UK > CS> Distributer I would certainly give it a hell of a lot more than that as > CS> most of the people who registered it did. > > I was a bit stunned that he gave it a mark like that. > > His excuse seemed to be that it was 'slow' and you needed patience. Gosh, > it's not StarWars:Pod Racers then? :-) > > CS> Is Mr. Cavanagh up for the job? Why didn't AF employ an Amiga fan and > CS> not someone who packed up their Amiga well over 2 years ago? > > I think Future try to allocate writers to magazines - a few years ago they > put someone in charge as editor who didn't have an Amiga, at all, if you > remember. > > Neil Williams, Here lies the problem with Amiga Format being the only Amiga magazine left. Its only one man's view. That is why I bought all the available Amiga magazines in the old days and remember reviews could be quite different at times. Same thing with Amiga advertisers. One by one they are drifting away from the magazine, giving us less choice. Nothing like competition to keep everyone on their toes! William Fleming. --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From mattias.andersson@home.se Sun Sep 26 18:42:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop4.onelist.com [209.207.164.237]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA11191 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 18:43:59 +0100 Received: (qmail 19046 invoked by alias); 26 Sep 1999 18:42:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 19036 invoked from network); 26 Sep 1999 18:42:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.239) by pop4.onelist.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 1999 18:42:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2.home.se) (195.66.45.71) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 1999 18:42:23 -0000 Received: from flenz (md4690619.utfors.se [212.105.6.25]) by smtp2.home.se (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA26096 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 20:42:23 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000801bf084e$e8cd4060$c800000a@flenz.rage.ql> From: "Mattias Andersson" To: Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 20:42:37 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: SV: [just-amiga] Monitor Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-UIDL: a3d6a427d7936f5b56fce48cd87c0449 From: "Mattias Andersson" Yes, if you want PAL or NTSC to work on your monitor. Usually monitors handle scanrates from 30KHz and up, but for PAL the monitor has to work with 15KHz. This can be fixed with a so called scandoubler. Also the connector is not a standard VGA connector on the amiga. A converter must be bought too. /Mattias -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: Jack York Till: just-amiga@onelist.com Datum: den 26 september 1999 20:10 Ämne: [just-amiga] Monitor Questions >From: Jack York > >Hello, > >I am looking into getting a larger monitor ( 15 to 17 "). I >remember that there was something specific needed for the monitor >to work on an Amiga but I can't remeber what it was ( I think it >had to do with the scan rate). Does anyone know offhand what the >requirements are or where I can find out? > >Also, the monitor on my spare Amiga went bad. I have a spare 1084S >setting around. Can someone tell me if this will work on an >A3000 with a graphics board? The cable from the monitor was made >to fit the Amiga's video port while the graphics card has a >different type of connector. Is there an adapter? > >Jack > >>AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From jyork@voyager.net Sun Sep 26 19:45:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop2.onelist.com [209.207.164.209]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA11257 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 18:50:02 +0100 Received: (qmail 27662 invoked by alias); 26 Sep 1999 18:48:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 27643 invoked from network); 26 Sep 1999 18:48:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.239) by pop2.onelist.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 1999 18:48:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail1.voyager.net) (209.153.128.76) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 1999 18:48:26 -0000 Received: from voyager.net (root@as1-dial123.pntc.mi.voyager.net [216.93.44.123]) by mail1.voyager.net (8.9.1/Voyager-MailX) with SMTP id OAA02453 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 14:56:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Jack York To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 14:45:56 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000801bf084e$e8cd4060$c800000a@flenz.rage.ql> X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [020] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Monitor Questions Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: b76e8eb8708123ea9570e40482e35523 From: Jack York Hello Mattias On 26-Sep-99, Mattias Andersson wrote: > From: "Mattias Andersson" > > Yes, if you want PAL or NTSC to work on your monitor. Usually monitors > handle scanrates from 30KHz and up, but for PAL the monitor has to work > with 15KHz. This can be fixed with a so called scandoubler. Also the > connector is not a standard VGA connector on the amiga. A converter must > be bought too. I am in the states so I need NTSC. Are you saying that any monitor that works from 30khz and up will work? >> I am looking into getting a larger monitor ( 15 to 17 "). I >> remember that there was something specific needed for the monitor >> to work on an Amiga but I can't remeber what it was ( I think it >> had to do with the scan rate). Does anyone know offhand what the >> requirements are or where I can find out? >> >> Also, the monitor on my spare Amiga went bad. I have a spare 1084S >> setting around. Can someone tell me if this will work on an >> A3000 with a graphics board? The cable from the monitor was made >> to fit the Amiga's video port while the graphics card has a >> different type of connector. Is there an adapter? >> Jack --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From andrewcrowe@enterprise.net Sun Sep 26 19:50:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop2.onelist.com [209.207.164.207]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA11291 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 18:54:44 +0100 Received: (qmail 9301 invoked by alias); 26 Sep 1999 18:52:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 9286 invoked from network); 26 Sep 1999 18:52:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.239) by pop2.onelist.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 1999 18:52:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.enterprise.net) (194.72.192.18) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 1999 18:53:06 -0000 Received: from enterprise.net (andrewcrowe@max01-006.enterprise.net [194.72.195.6]) by mail.enterprise.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA04416 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 19:53:05 +0100 (GMT/BST) From: Andrew Crowe To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 19:50:14 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [040] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Monitor Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-UIDL: 53f93452d89c2b19e821f83ae7d25461 From: Andrew Crowe Hi Everybody, > I am in the states so I need NTSC. Are you saying that any monitor > that works from 30khz and up will work? Ok, do you actually use anything other then NTSC modes? You may be better off getting a nice big scart VT, I'm using an old 21" TV with scart and it's great :) See ya :) -- Manta Soft - Amiga programing & web page designing Http://members.tripod.com/~mantasoft/ ICQ: 21829166 Homepage updated 5/8/99 --- James Bond on GFX Card & CPU players! - ------------------- Quote of the day: -------------------- - Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen. -- Albert Einstein --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From jyork@voyager.net Sun Sep 26 19:56:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop2.onelist.com [209.207.164.211]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA11343 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 19:01:03 +0100 Received: (qmail 16399 invoked by alias); 26 Sep 1999 18:59:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 16394 invoked from network); 26 Sep 1999 18:59:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.239) by pop2.onelist.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 1999 18:59:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail1.voyager.net) (209.153.128.76) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 1999 18:59:27 -0000 Received: from voyager.net (root@as1-dial123.pntc.mi.voyager.net [216.93.44.123]) by mail1.voyager.net (8.9.1/Voyager-MailX) with SMTP id PAA04194 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 15:07:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Jack York To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 14:56:57 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [020] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Monitor Questions Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: a0b224fa7a5e5221a087a180d1292c58 From: Jack York Hello Andrew On 26-Sep-99, Andrew Crowe wrote: > From: Andrew Crowe > > Hi Everybody, > >> I am in the states so I need NTSC. Are you saying that any monitor >> that works from 30khz and up will work? > > Ok, do you actually use anything other then NTSC modes? You may be > better off getting a nice big scart VT, I'm using an old 21" TV with scart > and it's great :) I only use NTSC. I haven't seen that mentioned anywhere (scart VT) but it sounds like it will be out of my price range. Jack --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From mattias.andersson@home.se Sun Sep 26 19:05:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop4.onelist.com [209.207.164.237]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA11383 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 19:06:52 +0100 Received: (qmail 10860 invoked by alias); 26 Sep 1999 19:05:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 10131 invoked from network); 26 Sep 1999 19:04:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.241) by pop4.onelist.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 1999 19:04:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2.home.se) (195.66.45.71) by mta2.onelist.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 1999 19:10:18 -0000 Received: from flenz (md4690619.utfors.se [212.105.6.25]) by smtp2.home.se (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA28668 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 21:04:48 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001b01bf0852$0ab8ffe0$c800000a@flenz.rage.ql> From: "Mattias Andersson" To: Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 21:05:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: SV: [just-amiga] Re: Monitor Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-UIDL: 4eedb9e78404e1f1b300efaf805d54f7 From: "Mattias Andersson" Nope. NTSC use 15KHz also. (Actually 15.72 if i remember correctly). You can use double NTSC which should be in your storage/monitors directory. But remember that you cannot use standard NTSC(or PAL) then. Most of the programs nowdays are released are userfriendly and will use the mode you're using. Older games and so on doesn't (including most of the scenedemos)... I use Commodores old 1950 monitor which can handle both PAL and NTSC + Multiscan and the 'double' modes. /Mattias -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: Jack York Till: just-amiga@onelist.com Datum: den 26 september 1999 20:42 Ämne: [just-amiga] Re: Monitor Questions >From: Jack York > >Hello Mattias > >On 26-Sep-99, Mattias Andersson wrote: >> From: "Mattias Andersson" >> >> Yes, if you want PAL or NTSC to work on your monitor. Usually monitors >> handle scanrates from 30KHz and up, but for PAL the monitor has to work >> with 15KHz. This can be fixed with a so called scandoubler. Also the >> connector is not a standard VGA connector on the amiga. A converter must >> be bought too. > > >I am in the states so I need NTSC. Are you saying that any monitor >that works from 30khz and up will work? > > >>> I am looking into getting a larger monitor ( 15 to 17 "). I >>> remember that there was something specific needed for the monitor >>> to work on an Amiga but I can't remeber what it was ( I think it >>> had to do with the scan rate). Does anyone know offhand what the >>> requirements are or where I can find out? >>> >>> Also, the monitor on my spare Amiga went bad. I have a spare 1084S >>> setting around. Can someone tell me if this will work on an >>> A3000 with a graphics board? The cable from the monitor was made >>> to fit the Amiga's video port while the graphics card has a >>> different type of connector. Is there an adapter? >>> > >Jack > >>AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From jyork@voyager.net Sun Sep 26 20:09:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.233]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA11437 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 19:13:35 +0100 Received: (qmail 17258 invoked by alias); 26 Sep 1999 19:11:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 17200 invoked from network); 26 Sep 1999 19:11:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.239) by pop1.onelist.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 1999 19:11:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail1.voyager.net) (209.153.128.76) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 1999 19:11:52 -0000 Received: from voyager.net (root@as1-dial123.pntc.mi.voyager.net [216.93.44.123]) by mail1.voyager.net (8.9.1/Voyager-MailX) with SMTP id PAA06007 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 15:20:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Jack York To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 15:09:22 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001b01bf0852$0ab8ffe0$c800000a@flenz.rage.ql> X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [020] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Monitor Questions Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: f83a064b455150d4540582e0cac5afd8 From: Jack York Hello Mattias On 26-Sep-99, Mattias Andersson wrote: > From: "Mattias Andersson" > > Nope. NTSC use 15KHz also. (Actually 15.72 if i remember correctly). You > can use double NTSC which should be in your storage/monitors directory. > But remember that you cannot use standard NTSC(or PAL) then. Most of the > programs nowdays are released are userfriendly and will use the mode > you're using. Older games and so on doesn't (including most of the > scenedemos)... I use Commodores old 1950 monitor which can handle both PAL > and NTSC + Multiscan and the 'double' modes. I think we may not be talking about the same thing or (even more likely) I am totally missing the point. It seems you are talking about which monitor driver to use while I am talking about which monitor to use. I have a graphics card installed so I am not using the NTSC driver in the devs directory. What I originally meant to ask was what are the hardware requirements of the monitor with regards to the Amiga? 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Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From wayne@here.is Sun Sep 26 19:27:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.31]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA11628 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 19:32:29 +0100 Received: (qmail 1049 invoked by alias); 26 Sep 1999 19:30:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 1014 invoked from network); 26 Sep 1999 19:30:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.239) by pop.onelist.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 1999 19:30:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO otago.co.uk) (195.182.175.3) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 1999 19:30:48 -0000 Received: from wayne.here.is (pyrah@cheese28.otago.co.uk [195.182.175.128]) by otago.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA21497 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 21:05:27 +0100 (GMT/BST) From: Wayne Pyrah - H y p e r B o y - To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 20:27:15 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [020] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch Organization: http://here.is/wayne MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Monitor Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-UIDL: b0bf0444bb56eda0bf81cc4dfbfc6ec9 From: Wayne Pyrah - H y p e r B o y - Hi Jack On 26-Sep-99, you wrote: >> Ok, do you actually use anything other then NTSC modes? You may be >> better off getting a nice big scart VT, I'm using an old 21" TV with >> scart and it's great :) > I only use NTSC. I haven't seen that mentioned anywhere (scart VT) but > it sounds like it will be out of my price range. Hi Jack I think what Andrew meant to write was a Scart TV not a VT ! Regards, +W A Y N E+ *[ H y p e r B o y ]* -- From : Wayne Pyrah - [ H y p e r B o y ] - Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England, UK > Direct Fax : +44 870 740 2523 - Voicemail Service : +44 7074 2WAYNE < > One2One Mobile Email Service : smswayne@here.is - max 1000 letters < -+-+- Visit my new improved website today @ #http://here.is/wayne# -+-+- --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From mattias.andersson@home.se Sun Sep 26 19:28:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.233]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA11632 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 19:32:43 +0100 Received: (qmail 10834 invoked by alias); 26 Sep 1999 19:30:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 10807 invoked from network); 26 Sep 1999 19:30:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.239) by pop1.onelist.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 1999 19:30:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2.home.se) (195.66.45.71) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 1999 19:30:45 -0000 Received: from flenz (md4690619.utfors.se [212.105.6.25]) by smtp2.home.se (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA02380 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 21:30:41 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <003a01bf0855$aa2a3b40$c800000a@flenz.rage.ql> From: "Mattias Andersson" To: Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 21:28:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: SV: [just-amiga] Re: Monitor Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-UIDL: 3d04db40e019e1e76bc2702ce612d330 From: "Mattias Andersson" And the hardware requirements if using an amiga is that the monitor can handles 15KHz and up. I am now talking about a standard amiga. On the other hand, if you have a graphics card and never use the NTSC mode you can use almost any monitor brand. Every new monitor handles 30KHz and up(at least they should do). About the 1084S. Isn't that a "TV"-monitor?? I'm not sure but I think you can't use it with any other modes than standard PAL or NTSC (15KHz) modes. /Mattias -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: Jack York Till: just-amiga@onelist.com Datum: den 26 september 1999 21:06 Ämne: [just-amiga] Re: Monitor Questions >From: Jack York > >Hello Mattias > >On 26-Sep-99, Mattias Andersson wrote: >> From: "Mattias Andersson" >> >> Nope. NTSC use 15KHz also. (Actually 15.72 if i remember correctly). You >> can use double NTSC which should be in your storage/monitors directory. >> But remember that you cannot use standard NTSC(or PAL) then. Most of the >> programs nowdays are released are userfriendly and will use the mode >> you're using. Older games and so on doesn't (including most of the >> scenedemos)... I use Commodores old 1950 monitor which can handle both PAL >> and NTSC + Multiscan and the 'double' modes. > >I think we may not be talking about the same thing or (even more likely) >I am totally missing the point. It seems you are talking about which >monitor driver to use while I am talking about which monitor to use. >I have a graphics card installed so I am not using the NTSC driver >in the devs directory. What I originally meant to ask was what >are the hardware requirements of the monitor with regards to the Amiga? > >Jack > >>AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From lmill@bellatlantic.net Sun Sep 26 19:51:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.233]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA11876 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 19:59:24 +0100 Received: (qmail 9183 invoked by alias); 26 Sep 1999 19:53:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 9015 invoked from network); 26 Sep 1999 19:53:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.241) by pop1.onelist.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 1999 19:53:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) (199.45.39.157) by mta2.onelist.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 1999 19:58:32 -0000 Received: from bellatlantic.net (client-151-197-112-168.bellatlantic.net [151.197.112.168]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA13552 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 15:57:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Larry Miller To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 15:51:33 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [060] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Monitor Questions Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: 3f8ddb061ee5001e7e089a06236872c0 From: Larry Miller Hello Jack On 26-Sep-99, you wrote: > From: Jack York > > Hello Andrew > > On 26-Sep-99, Andrew Crowe wrote: >> From: Andrew Crowe >> >> Hi Everybody, >> >>> I am in the states so I need NTSC. Are you saying that any monitor >>> that works from 30khz and up will work? >> >> Ok, do you actually use anything other then NTSC modes? You may be >> better off getting a nice big scart VT, I'm using an old 21" TV with >> scart and it's great :) > > I only use NTSC. I haven't seen that mentioned anywhere (scart VT) but > it sounds like it will be out of my price range. > > Jack I could be wrong but I don't think SCART TV's are available in the U.S. Larry --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From wmaddock@icon-stl.net Sun Sep 26 20:54:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop2.onelist.com [209.207.164.207]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA11939 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 20:07:26 +0100 Received: (qmail 17232 invoked by alias); 26 Sep 1999 20:05:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 17220 invoked from network); 26 Sep 1999 20:05:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.239) by pop2.onelist.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 1999 20:05:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO icon-stl.net) (199.217.153.1) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 1999 20:05:46 -0000 Received: from icon-44.icon-stl.net (wmaddock@icon-44.icon-stl.net [199.217.231.44]) by icon-stl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA09783 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 15:05:55 -0500 (CDT) Date: 26 Sep 99 14:54:14 -0600 From: "William F. Maddock" To: "Chris Seward" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1025.938T704T8942329wmaddock@icon-stl.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.6 (Amiga;TCP/IP) Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: Re: [just-amiga] Re: IMPORTANT, Bill McEwen has big sleeves :-) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-UIDL: 8b1b27851079a6c94d05cdc27e4b50d4 From: "William F. Maddock" On 25-Sep-99 09:11:04 amiga@thefree.net Chris Seward wrote: >From: Chris Seward >Kenneth, >On 25-Sep-99, you wrote: >> Would the words Amino, Aqua, and Pheonix Platform Consortium be what >>you are on about? :GRIN: >Errr, his message was posted to 'us' after you posted your Pheonix >post, so no :) >But I do notice he comes under the company 'Amino' in that release. >You'll just have to wait and see. Erm, he was also on the list in the Phoenix Consortium post, I think. So was quite a group from QSSL. ;) -- William F. Maddock ICQ:14668944 http://www.icon-stl.net/~wmaddock Time: 26-Sep-99 14:52:46 CDT Jesus Saves mailto:wmaddock@icon-stl.net St. Louis, Missouri, USA ftp://ftp.icon-stl.net/users/wmaddock Team AMIGA Written using THOR 2.6 Registered User Number 1621 -- Ezra 8:21 There, by the Ahava Canal, I proclaimed a fast, so that we might humble ourselves before our God and ask him for a safe journey for us and our children, with all our possessions. --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From kwdjc@wf.net Sun Sep 26 20:10:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop4.onelist.com [209.207.164.235]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA11989 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 20:12:28 +0100 Received: (qmail 10609 invoked by alias); 26 Sep 1999 20:10:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 10595 invoked from network); 26 Sep 1999 20:10:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.241) by pop4.onelist.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 1999 20:10:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wf.net) (208.129.168.4) by mta2.onelist.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 1999 20:16:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 19259 invoked from network); 26 Sep 1999 15:10:46 -0500 Received: from mw-pm2-28.wf.net (HELO wf.net) (208.134.151.67) by odin.wf.net with SMTP; 26 Sep 1999 15:10:46 -0500 From: Kenneth Craig To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 15:10:38 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [040] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Monitor Questions Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: f145e31d29a28801b30e7a659640d73e From: Kenneth Craig Hello Jack, On 26-Sep-99, Jack York wrote: > From: Jack York > > Hello, > > I am looking into getting a larger monitor ( 15 to 17 "). I > remember that there was something specific needed for the monitor > to work on an Amiga but I can't remeber what it was ( I think it > had to do with the scan rate). Does anyone know offhand what the > requirements are or where I can find out? > > Also, the monitor on my spare Amiga went bad. I have a spare 1084S > setting around. Can someone tell me if this will work on an > A3000 with a graphics board? The cable from the monitor was made > to fit the Amiga's video port while the graphics card has a > different type of connector. Is there an adapter? > For a standard Amiga here in the states (no graphics card or scan doubler) you have to use a monitor that is capable of 15khz such as the 1084. If you have a graphics card, you can use an SVGA monitor and connect it to the card. Do not use the 1084 on the graphics card. Kenneth -- Be careful of reading health books, you might die of a misprint. -- Mark Twain Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga "Actually, I'm sitting on my butt staring at a computer screen." kwdjc@wf.net UIN 12669981 --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From jyork@voyager.net Mon Sep 27 14:51:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop2.onelist.com [209.207.164.211]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA22213 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 14:03:59 +0100 Received: (qmail 6179 invoked by alias); 27 Sep 1999 14:02:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 6142 invoked from network); 27 Sep 1999 14:02:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.239) by pop2.onelist.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 1999 14:02:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail1.voyager.net) (209.153.128.76) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 1999 14:02:21 -0000 Received: from voyager.net (root@as4-dial16.pntc.mi.voyager.net [209.153.138.16]) by mail1.voyager.net (8.9.1/Voyager-MailX) with SMTP id KAA28779 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 10:10:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Jack York To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 09:51:23 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [020] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Monitor Questions Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: ddde573433ead4c9ceb0389c80cfa87f From: Jack York Hello Wayne On 26-Sep-99, Wayne Pyrah - H y p e r B o y - wrote: > From: Wayne Pyrah - H y p e r B o y - > > Hi Jack > > On 26-Sep-99, you wrote: > >>> Ok, do you actually use anything other then NTSC modes? You may be >>> better off getting a nice big scart VT, I'm using an old 21" TV with >>> scart and it's great :) > >> I only use NTSC. I haven't seen that mentioned anywhere (scart VT) but >> it sounds like it will be out of my price range. > > Hi Jack > > I think what Andrew meant to write was a Scart TV not a VT ! That does make more sense although I haven't heard of that either. I'll start looking around for them. Jack --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From jyork@voyager.net Mon Sep 27 14:56:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop4.onelist.com [209.207.164.243]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA22219 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 14:04:02 +0100 Received: (qmail 13799 invoked by alias); 27 Sep 1999 14:02:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 13787 invoked from network); 27 Sep 1999 14:02:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.239) by pop4.onelist.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 1999 14:02:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail1.voyager.net) (209.153.128.76) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 1999 14:02:26 -0000 Received: from voyager.net (root@as4-dial16.pntc.mi.voyager.net [209.153.138.16]) by mail1.voyager.net (8.9.1/Voyager-MailX) with SMTP id KAA28823 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 10:10:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Jack York To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 09:56:43 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [020] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Monitor Questions Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: 614f743de42847fef248dda57c752bd1 From: Jack York Hello Kenneth On 26-Sep-99, Kenneth Craig wrote: > From: Kenneth Craig > > Hello Jack, > > On 26-Sep-99, Jack York wrote: >> From: Jack York >> >> Hello, >> >> I am looking into getting a larger monitor ( 15 to 17 "). I >> remember that there was something specific needed for the monitor >> to work on an Amiga but I can't remeber what it was ( I think it >> had to do with the scan rate). Does anyone know offhand what the >> requirements are or where I can find out? >> >> Also, the monitor on my spare Amiga went bad. I have a spare 1084S >> setting around. Can someone tell me if this will work on an >> A3000 with a graphics board? The cable from the monitor was made >> to fit the Amiga's video port while the graphics card has a >> different type of connector. Is there an adapter? >> > > For a standard Amiga here in the states (no graphics card or scan > doubler) you have to use a monitor that is capable of 15khz such as the > 1084. If you have a graphics card, you can use an SVGA monitor and > connect it to the card. Do not use the 1084 on the graphics card. Thanks Kenneth. I think I finally understand. 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Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From jyork@voyager.net Mon Sep 27 14:54:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop4.onelist.com [209.207.164.235]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA22226 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 14:04:14 +0100 Received: (qmail 20334 invoked by alias); 27 Sep 1999 14:02:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 20308 invoked from network); 27 Sep 1999 14:02:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.241) by pop4.onelist.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 1999 14:02:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail1.voyager.net) (209.153.128.76) by mta2.onelist.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 1999 14:07:53 -0000 Received: from voyager.net (root@as4-dial16.pntc.mi.voyager.net [209.153.138.16]) by mail1.voyager.net (8.9.1/Voyager-MailX) with SMTP id KAA28806 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 10:10:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Jack York To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 09:54:54 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003a01bf0855$aa2a3b40$c800000a@flenz.rage.ql> X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [020] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Monitor Questions Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: 17aeb929add6b08aaac6b0b395639429 From: Jack York Hello Mattias On 26-Sep-99, Mattias Andersson wrote: > From: "Mattias Andersson" > > And the hardware requirements if using an amiga is that the monitor can > handles 15KHz and up. I am now talking about a standard amiga. On the > other hand, if you have a graphics card and never use the NTSC mode you > can use almost any monitor brand. Every new monitor handles 30KHz and > up(at least they should do). About the 1084S. Isn't that a "TV"-monitor?? > I'm not sure but I think you can't use it with any other modes than > standard PAL or NTSC (15KHz) modes. Ahh - the fog clears. So if I want to be able to use a standard display (not use the graphics board) I need to have a monitor that works from 15 to xx khz or get one that works from 30 to xx khz and buy a scan doubler - right? Jack --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From jyork@voyager.net Mon Sep 27 15:06:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.225]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA22311 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 14:10:50 +0100 Received: (qmail 27508 invoked by alias); 27 Sep 1999 14:40:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 27495 invoked from network); 27 Sep 1999 14:40:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.239) by pop1.onelist.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 1999 14:40:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail1.voyager.net) (209.153.128.76) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 1999 14:09:15 -0000 Received: from voyager.net (root@as4-dial16.pntc.mi.voyager.net [209.153.138.16]) by mail1.voyager.net (8.9.1/Voyager-MailX) with SMTP id KAA01255 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 10:17:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Jack York To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 10:06:43 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [020] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Monitor Questions Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: 74bc6438e26de759abe5c4ef920768b5 From: Jack York Hello Larry On 26-Sep-99, Larry Miller wrote: > From: Larry Miller > I could be wrong but I don't think SCART TV's are available in the U.S. Just did a quick search on Yahoo but didn't find anything info. I'll start asking around at stores. Jack --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From mattias.andersson@home.se Mon Sep 27 14:22:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop2.onelist.com [209.207.164.209]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA22519 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 14:25:01 +0100 Received: (qmail 4247 invoked by alias); 27 Sep 1999 14:23:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 4238 invoked from network); 27 Sep 1999 14:23:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.239) by pop2.onelist.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 1999 14:23:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rage.sala.se) (192.176.30.50) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 1999 14:23:25 -0000 Received: from klf112 [192.176.126.100] by rage.sala.se [192.176.30.50] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP5.R) for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 16:26:35 +0200 Message-ID: <003401bf08f3$ac515630$647eb0c0@sala.se> From: "Mattias Andersson" To: References: Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 16:22:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: just-amiga@onelist.com X-Return-Path: mattias.andersson@home.se Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: SV: [just-amiga] Re: Monitor Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-UIDL: 6f2d13b0025a47624d470d65b343d1be From: "Mattias Andersson" That's right. And hey, a scart doesn't work with your graphics card. A scart is for TVs or videos. I think they also are known as a Euroconnector so they might not be on USA tvs and videos. (?) /Mattias ----- Ursprungligt meddelande ----- Från: Jack York Till: Skickat: den 27 september 1999 16:54 Ämne: [just-amiga] Re: Monitor Questions > From: Jack York > > Hello Mattias > > On 26-Sep-99, Mattias Andersson wrote: > > From: "Mattias Andersson" > > > > And the hardware requirements if using an amiga is that the monitor can > > handles 15KHz and up. I am now talking about a standard amiga. On the > > other hand, if you have a graphics card and never use the NTSC mode you > > can use almost any monitor brand. Every new monitor handles 30KHz and > > up(at least they should do). About the 1084S. Isn't that a "TV"-monitor?? > > I'm not sure but I think you can't use it with any other modes than > > standard PAL or NTSC (15KHz) modes. > > Ahh - the fog clears. So if I want to be able to use a standard > display (not use the graphics board) I need to have a monitor that > works from 15 to xx khz or get one that works from 30 to xx khz > and buy a scan doubler - right? > > > Jack > > > AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From jyork@voyager.net Mon Sep 27 16:35:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop2.onelist.com [209.207.164.211]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA23622 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:39:26 +0100 Received: (qmail 30013 invoked by alias); 27 Sep 1999 15:38:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 30008 invoked from network); 27 Sep 1999 15:38:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.239) by pop2.onelist.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 1999 15:38:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail1.voyager.net) (209.153.128.76) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 1999 15:37:50 -0000 Received: from voyager.net (root@as2-dial92.pntc.mi.voyager.net [209.153.138.220]) by mail1.voyager.net (8.9.1/Voyager-MailX) with SMTP id LAA29620 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 11:46:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Jack York To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 11:35:18 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003401bf08f3$ac515630$647eb0c0@sala.se> X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [020] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Monitor Questions Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: 934e93471ffc7a7804b958ead88cc2c5 From: Jack York Hello Mattias On 27-Sep-99, Mattias Andersson wrote: > From: "Mattias Andersson" > > That's right. Uh-oh, I thought I had it. I just took a look at the manual for the monitor I use on my main Amiga. It says it syncs from 31 to 48 khz. But I don't own a scandoubler. So I guess I don't understand after all. Shouldn't my current setup fail since the monitor doesn't sync down to 15 khz? Jack --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From tim@ramjam.u-net.com Mon Sep 27 18:30:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.227]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA25123 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:33:55 +0100 Received: (qmail 27843 invoked by alias); 27 Sep 1999 17:31:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 27465 invoked from network); 27 Sep 1999 17:31:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.241) by pop1.onelist.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 1999 17:31:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mserv1a.u-net.net) (195.102.240.34) by mta2.onelist.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 1999 17:36:31 -0000 Received: from ramjam.u-net.com ([194.119.178.106]) by mserv1a.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #61) id 11Vecz-0002bc-00 for just-amiga@onelist.com; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 18:31:53 +0100 From: tim@ramjam.u-net.com (Tim Corringham) X-SMTP-Client: Amiga SMTPclient 0.1 by Ramjam Consultants Ltd. Date: Mon, 27 Sep 99 18:30:56 To: just-amiga@onelist.com In-Reply-To: (from just-amiga@onelist.com) (on Mon, 27 Sep 99 09:54:54) Lines: 21 X-Mailer: ADMail 1.7 Copyright 1995 S.T.Brown Message-Id: Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: Re: [just-amiga] Re: Monitor Questions X-UIDL: 8478b8082af9773e7e6ae2dad57aa285 From: tim@ramjam.u-net.com (Tim Corringham) Hi Jack > Ahh - the fog clears. So if I want to be able to use a standard > display (not use the graphics board) I need to have a monitor that > works from 15 to xx khz or get one that works from 30 to xx khz > and buy a scan doubler - right? IIRC you have an A3000, and the A3000 has a built in scan doubler. That's the 15 pin VGA style video socket on the back near the 23 pin Amiga video socket. There is a switch to enable/disable the scan doubler - if you attach a VGA capable monitor ensure that you only use it with the switch enabled, or you'll feed 15KHz video to you VGA monitor, and it probably won't like that! Tim -- ====================================================================== Tim Corringham e-mail: tim@ramjam.u-net.com Ramjam Consultants Ltd tel: +44 (0)118 946 5940 Reading, England fax: +44 (0)118 946 5941 --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From mattias.andersson@home.se Mon Sep 27 17:35:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop4.onelist.com [209.207.164.243]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA25165 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:36:46 +0100 Received: (qmail 10629 invoked by alias); 27 Sep 1999 17:35:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 9993 invoked from network); 27 Sep 1999 17:34:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.241) by pop4.onelist.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 1999 17:34:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO home.se) (195.66.45.70) by mta2.onelist.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 1999 17:40:18 -0000 Received: from flenz (md46904af.utfors.se [212.105.4.175]) by home.se (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA29260 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 19:34:47 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000c01bf090e$a3026ae0$c800000a@flenz.rage.ql> From: "Mattias Andersson" To: Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 19:35:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: SV: [just-amiga] Re: Monitor Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-UIDL: 37872fcbe3deb6a207802ae6aa06796e From: "Mattias Andersson" You use a graphics card. Thats why it works. The graphicscard is probably using 30KHz and up. /M -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: Jack York Till: just-amiga@onelist.com Datum: den 27 september 1999 17:31 Ämne: [just-amiga] Re: Monitor Questions >From: Jack York > >Hello Mattias > >On 27-Sep-99, Mattias Andersson wrote: >> From: "Mattias Andersson" >> >> That's right. > >Uh-oh, I thought I had it. I just took a look at the manual for the >monitor I use on my main Amiga. It says it syncs from 31 to 48 khz. >But I don't own a scandoubler. So I guess I don't understand after >all. Shouldn't my current setup fail since the monitor doesn't sync >down to 15 khz? > > >Jack > >>AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From jyork@voyager.net Mon Sep 27 18:53:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.227]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA25478 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:58:10 +0100 Received: (qmail 1688 invoked by alias); 27 Sep 1999 17:56:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 1570 invoked from network); 27 Sep 1999 17:56:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.241) by pop1.onelist.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 1999 17:56:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail1.voyager.net) (209.153.128.76) by mta2.onelist.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 1999 18:01:43 -0000 Received: from voyager.net (root@as5-dial23.pntc.mi.voyager.net [209.153.137.87]) by mail1.voyager.net (8.9.1/Voyager-MailX) with SMTP id OAA08798 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 14:04:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Jack York To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 13:53:42 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000c01bf090e$a3026ae0$c800000a@flenz.rage.ql> X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [020] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Monitor Questions Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: e392db82e4188d65260e29a29df5b504 From: Jack York Hello Mattias On 27-Sep-99, Mattias Andersson wrote: > From: "Mattias Andersson" > > You use a graphics card. Thats why it works. The graphicscard is probably > using 30KHz and up. Hmmm... I just got the card a few months ago. I've had the monitor for 3 or 4 years. I always ran in NTSC Hires mode before. Jack --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From mattias.andersson@home.se Mon Sep 27 18:00:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop3.onelist.com [209.207.164.221]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA25554 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 18:01:56 +0100 Received: (qmail 23415 invoked by alias); 27 Sep 1999 18:00:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 23391 invoked from network); 27 Sep 1999 18:00:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.239) by pop3.onelist.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 1999 18:00:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO home.se) (195.66.45.70) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 1999 18:00:17 -0000 Received: from flenz (md4690a54.utfors.se [212.105.10.84]) by home.se (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA03211 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 20:00:15 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000601bf0912$32466a00$c800000a@flenz.rage.ql> From: "Mattias Andersson" To: Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 20:00:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: SV: [just-amiga] Re: Monitor Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-UIDL: 0c0546713ce5dd74678f3fcc84dee358 From: "Mattias Andersson" Strange. Did you use the VGA connector that someone in this list mentioned? And used the scandoubler mode that apparently are a feature on the A3000? /Mattias -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: Jack York Till: just-amiga@onelist.com Datum: den 27 september 1999 19:50 Ämne: [just-amiga] Re: Monitor Questions >From: Jack York > >Hello Mattias > >On 27-Sep-99, Mattias Andersson wrote: >> From: "Mattias Andersson" >> >> You use a graphics card. Thats why it works. The graphicscard is probably >> using 30KHz and up. > >Hmmm... I just got the card a few months ago. I've had the monitor >for 3 or 4 years. I always ran in NTSC Hires mode before. > >Jack > >>AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From jyork@voyager.net Mon Sep 27 19:02:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.223]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA25621 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 18:06:13 +0100 Received: (qmail 28414 invoked by alias); 27 Sep 1999 18:05:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 28401 invoked from network); 27 Sep 1999 18:05:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.241) by pop1.onelist.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 1999 18:05:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail1.voyager.net) (209.153.128.76) by mta2.onelist.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 1999 18:10:03 -0000 Received: from voyager.net (root@as5-dial23.pntc.mi.voyager.net [209.153.137.87]) by mail1.voyager.net (8.9.1/Voyager-MailX) with SMTP id OAA11402 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 14:12:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Jack York To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 14:02:02 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [020] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Monitor Questions Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: 975a89b41e9537745e1bdb508f2a8219 From: Jack York Hello Tim On 27-Sep-99, Tim Corringham wrote: > From: tim@ramjam.u-net.com (Tim Corringham) > > Hi Jack > >> Ahh - the fog clears. So if I want to be able to use a standard >> display (not use the graphics board) I need to have a monitor that >> works from 15 to xx khz or get one that works from 30 to xx khz >> and buy a scan doubler - right? > > IIRC you have an A3000, and the A3000 has a built in scan doubler. > That's the 15 pin VGA style video socket on the back near the > 23 pin Amiga video socket. There is a switch to enable/disable the > scan doubler - if you attach a VGA capable monitor ensure that you > only use it with the switch enabled, or you'll feed 15KHz video to > you VGA monitor, and it probably won't like that! I forgot all about that - haven't looked at it since I got the computer. So I guess for an A3000, there is no special consideration needed when choosing a monitor? Jack --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! 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Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From jyork@voyager.net Mon Sep 27 19:04:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop2.onelist.com [209.207.164.211]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA25642 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 18:08:51 +0100 Received: (qmail 18451 invoked by alias); 27 Sep 1999 18:07:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 18425 invoked from network); 27 Sep 1999 18:07:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.241) by pop2.onelist.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 1999 18:07:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail1.voyager.net) (209.153.128.76) by mta2.onelist.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 1999 18:12:42 -0000 Received: from voyager.net (root@as5-dial23.pntc.mi.voyager.net [209.153.137.87]) by mail1.voyager.net (8.9.1/Voyager-MailX) with SMTP id OAA12142 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 14:15:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Jack York To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 14:04:42 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000601bf0912$32466a00$c800000a@flenz.rage.ql> X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [020] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Monitor Questions Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: d8aec7075921b7e2e0f19b6c6c6e27a0 From: Jack York Hello Mattias On 27-Sep-99, Mattias Andersson wrote: > From: "Mattias Andersson" > > Strange. Did you use the VGA connector that someone in this list > mentioned? And used the scandoubler mode that apparently are a feature on > the A3000? Yes, that is how I have it connected and explains the mystery. :) Jack --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From Rich.Holtzschue@f2020.n147.z1.fidonet.org Mon Sep 27 17:42:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.223]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA27307 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 20:07:26 +0100 Received: (qmail 14400 invoked by alias); 27 Sep 1999 20:06:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 14344 invoked from network); 27 Sep 1999 20:06:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.241) by pop1.onelist.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 1999 20:06:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sandbox.dynip.com) (216.14.25.10) by mta2.onelist.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 1999 20:11:12 -0000 Received: (from fnet@localhost) by sandbox.dynip.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA18036 for just-amiga@onelist.com; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:05:42 -0500 Apparently-To: just-amiga@onelist.com To: just-amiga@onelist.com From: Rich Holtzschue Date: Mon, 27 Sep 99 12:42:00 -0500 Message-ID: <938472101@f2020.n147.z1.ftn> X-FTN-CHRS: LATIN-1 2 X-FTN-ORIGCHRS: IBMPC 2 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: DLGMail 1.27 RE025 X-FTN-FLAGS: PVT K/S X-FTN-PID: DLGMail 1.27 RE025 X-FTN-Via: DLGMail @ 1:147/2020.0 (primary default address) Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Monitor Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-UIDL: dac2b20823f0b5ec586fe54b9d04ce49 From: Rich Holtzschue Greets- From: Jack York To: just-amiga@onelist.com Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com From: Jack York JY> Ahh - the fog clears. So if I want to be able to use a standard JY> display (not use the graphics board) I need to have a monitor that JY> works from 15 to xx khz or get one that works from 30 to xx khz JY> and buy a scan doubler - right? This thread appears confusing so let me see if I can make it worse. ;^) I gather this is for an A3K with a graphics card. You should have 2 video ports on the back of your A3K. On the groups BBS machine they are labeled 15KHz video and 31 KHz video. The 15Khz port (DB-23 socket) should work on your 1084S (which was a standard Amiga monitor, a stereo "upgrade" to the 1084 which had a single [mono] speaker as the 1084S has stereo [2 speakers, left and right]). The 1084S starts at 15KHz and goes up (altho not as high as some monitors). Next to the 15KHz port is the 31KHz port (DB-9 socket, IIRC) that most VGA monitors would plug into. Next to that port is a switch that turns your scandoubler on/off. We are presently using a VGA monitor on our machine with the doubler on as the old ADC monitor can't go as low as 15KHz. Umm... come to think of it, this is a desktop box. If yours is a tower then the ports may be positioned diff. I can't say much 'bout your graphics card. Most have a VGA port. Some have "pass thru" that allows a second monitor to be used for standard WB screens. You *may* be able to use the 1084S *and* a VGA with the gfx card. RTM of the card for details, if you have one. If not, some one here probably would know something 'bout the flavor of card you have, just ask. Our BBS doesn't need/use one so I can't tell you. So is that clear as mud? :^) _rich_ AmigaLine BBS sysop member Team *AMIGA* The light at the end of the tunnel is.. ah.. aahh.. aahhhchooo! Damn! It went out! --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! 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Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: 37ed7c3329128e30983f5871001eaa15 From: Andre Wittkamp People please enuffffffff monitor stuff!!!! After so much monitor talk I almost smashed my monitor today for looking at me funny ;) P.S. How good is the new Ibrowse update can it handle web chat? Does partially or fully emulate java script? Contact me at : AndreONE@wantree.com.au .oO ANDRE Oo. --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Share your special moments with family and friends- send PHOTO Greetings at Zing.com! Use your own photos or choose from a variety of funny, cute, cool and animated cards. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From ah802@freenet.toronto.on.ca Mon Sep 27 00:38:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop2.onelist.com [209.207.164.211]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA14336 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 00:42:39 +0100 Received: (qmail 9256 invoked by alias); 27 Sep 1999 00:41:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 9251 invoked from network); 27 Sep 1999 00:41:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.239) by pop2.onelist.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 1999 00:41:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sheppard.torfree.net) (199.71.188.24) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 1999 00:40:31 -0000 Received: from localhost by sheppard.torfree.net (Smail-3.2.0.97 1997-Aug-19 #9; 1998-Jan-28) (10636 bytes) via sendmail with /P:stdio/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp id (sender ) for just-amiga@onelist.com; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 20:38:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 20:38:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Kushko To: Jack York cc: just-amiga@onelist.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: Re: [just-amiga] Monitor Questions Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-UIDL: ac279467fb68fb73210c877ee27b905a From: Pat Kushko > I am looking into getting a larger monitor ( 15 to 17 "). I > remember that there was something specific needed for the monitor > to work on an Amiga but I can't remeber what it was ( I think it > had to do with the scan rate). Does anyone know offhand what the > requirements are or where I can find out? If you want to play some games and genlock to your monitor, you would want 15.77khz scan rates to work. That would pretty well exclude most all new monitors. But with your A3000 + flicker fixer built in, almost any VGA monitor would do.. but a multisync would allow larger screen modes (the ideal monitor would scan from 15.77 and up to higher is better.) and give you a cleaner better flicker fixed display. Dual video inputs would be even better.... > Also, the monitor on my spare Amiga went bad. I have a spare 1084S > setting around. Can someone tell me if this will work on an > A3000 with a graphics board? The cable from the monitor was made > to fit the Amiga's video port while the graphics card has a > different type of connector. Is there an adapter? Depends on the graphic board.. but for most popular types, I would say no. But on the other hand you can conenct it directly to the RGB 23 pin port and bypass the graphic card hard/software. here's a list of 'old' monitors that will scan 15.77 (I take no credit for this list and will not attest to it's accuracy.. use it as a guide, I'm sure you would be much happier with a Viewsonic, Sony or Mag but you'll have to learn to live without the 15.77 (after all you do have a 1084 already for those times you might want NTSC). -- Model Manufacturer kHz Hz -------------------------------------------------------------- MS-8431 Amazing Tech. 14 15-36 ? AML-1402 Adara Technology 14 15-36 45-90 CM-324 AOC International 14 15-36 50-90 CM-324H/M AOC International 14 15-36 50-90 CM-326 AOC International 14 15-38 50-90 Auto-Trak 714 Conrac Display 13 15.5-37 45-80 Auto-Trak 9250 Conrac Display 13 15-37.5 48-90 Model 7126S Conrac Display 26 15-32 48-75 Model 7211 Conrac Display 13 15-37.5 47-80 Model 7211 Conrac Display 19 15-37.5 47-80 Model 7241 Conrac Display 19 15-37 47-80 Model 9214 Conrac Display 13 15-38 50-80 Multiscan 3436 CTX International 14 15-38 50-90 TSM-1431 Darius Technology 14 15.5-39 50-90 ECM 1410 Electrohome, Ltd. 14 15-40 45-90 ECM 2010 Electrohome, Ltd. 20 15-38 45-120 Eversync Color Everex Systems 14 15.5-35 50-70 FMS Falco Data 14 15-38 47-90 MTS-9608S Forefront Technology 14 15-38 50-90 TY-1411 Golden Dragon 14 15.5-3 50-120 Idek MF-5017 IDEK/Iiyama North Amer 17 15-40 50-90 Idek MF-5021 IDEK/Iiyama North Amer 21 15.5-38 50-90 C21LV-65MAX Image Systems Corp. 21 15-65 55-90 C24LV-65MAX Image Systems Corp. 24 15-65 55-90 CM-1403 Intra Electronics USA 14 15-38 40-100 GD-H4220US JVC Information 19 15-37 45-87 CMON M Leading Edge 14 15.75-39 50-90 MagicVIEW 20 Mac 20 15.75-36 50-100 Model 2014/LP Microvitec 14 15-40 45-100 Model 2020 Microvitec 20 15-38 ? Model 710MH Mitsuba Corp. 14 15-38 50-90 Diamond Pro 26M Mitsubishi Electronics 25 15-38 45-90 HC-3505SK Mitsubishi Electronics 26 15.7-38 45-90 XC-3315C Mitsubishi Electronics 33 15-38 40-120 XC-3715C Mitsubishi Electronics 37 15-36 45-120 AM-2752A Mitsubishi Electronics 27 15.6-36 45-90 AM-3151A Mitsubishi Electronics 31 15.6-36 45-90 AM-3501R Mitsubishi Electronics 35 15-35.5 45-70 MG-3430 Modgraph 9 15-35 50-70 DM-2710 NEC Technologies 27 15-38 40-100 PanaSync C1391 Panasonic Communicatio 13 15.5-36 40-80 Ultra 1200 Princeton Graphic Syst 12 15-38 45-120 Ultra 1400 Princeton Graphic Syst 14 15-38 45-120 Ultra 1600 Princeton Graphic Syst 16 15-38 45-120 AlphaScan Sampo Corp. of America 14 15.75-36 50-87 CE-8 Sceptre Technologies 14 15-38 50-90 CM-3 Sceptre Technologies 14 15.5-36 50-70 CPD-1302 SONY Corporation of Am 13 15.75-36 50-100 GVM-1310 SONY Corporation of Am 13 15.75-36 50-100 GVM-2020 SONY Corporation of Am 20 15.75-36 50-100 Tuff/CRT Talon Technology Corp. 14 15-35 47-73 Omniscan CM-1495H Tatung Co. of America 14 15-37 40-120 MultiVision 770+ TAXAN America 14 15-37 50-90 MediaScan 3+ TVM Professional Monit 14 15-38 46-100 TM-5414 TW Casper Corp. 14 15.5-35 50-70 AKF50 Acorn 14 15-32 ? .28 MS-8431 Amazing Tech 14 15-36 ? .31 AML-1402 Adara 14 15-36 45-90 .28 CM-324 AOC 14 15-36 50-90 .31 CM-326 AOC 14 15-38 50-90 .28 Model 9002 Aydin Controls 20 15-38 40-120 .31 Ranger 5021 Aydin 21 15.5-38.5 50-90 .31 Patriot 9002,9003 Aydin 19 15-38 40-120 .31 ICD 451 B Barco 20 15-36 45-85 .31 OCM 2846 Barco 28 15-36 45-120 .80 SCM 3346 Barco 33 15-36 45-120 .80 Auto-Trak 7114 Conrac Display 13 15.5-37 45-80 .31 Auto-Trak 9250 Conrac Display 13 15-37.5 48-90 .31 Model 7126S Conrac Display 26 15-32 48-75 .82 Model 7211 Conrac Display 13 15-37.5 47-80 .31 Model 7211 Conrac Display 19 15-37.5 47-80 .31 Model 7241 Conrac Display 19 15-37 47-80 .31 Model 9214 Conrac Display 13 15-38 50-80 .28 Multiscan 3436 CTX 14 15-38 50-90 .28 TSM-1431 Darius 14 15.5-39 50-90 ? Flexscan 9060S EIZO 14 15.5-38.5 50-90 ? ECM 1410,1411 Electrohome 14 15-40 45-90 .28 ECM 2010,2012 Electrohome 20 15-38 45-120 .31 Eversync Color Everex 14 15.5-35 50-70 .28 Infinity FMS Falco Data 14 15-38 47-90 .28 MTS-9608S Forefront 14 15-38 50-90 ? Idek MF-5015A IDEK/Iiyama 15 15.5-39 50-90 .31 Idek MF-5017 IDEK/Iiyama 17 15-40 50-90 .31 Idek MF-5021A IDEK/Iiyama 21 15.5-39 50-90 .31 M21LMUMAX Image Systems 21 15-65 55-90 .31 C21LV-65MAX Image Systems 21 15-65 55-90 .31 C24LV-65MAX Image Systems 24 15-65 55-90 .31 CM-1403 Intra 14 15-38 40-100 .28 GD-H4220US JVC 19 15-37 45-87 .31 CMON M Leading Edge 14 15.75-39 50-90 .28 MagicVIEW 19 MacProducts 19 15.75-36 50-100 .55 Model 1440 Microvitec 14 15-40 45-95 .28 Model 2014/LP Microvitec 14 15-40 45-100 .31 Model 2020 Microvitec 20 15-38 ? ? AutoScan 2038 Microvitec 20 15-38 45-120 .31 Model 710MH Mitsuba 14 15-38 50-90 .28 AM-1381A Mitsubishi 13 15.6-36 45-90 .31 AM-1391A Mitsubishi 14 15-38 45-90 .28 FA-3415 Mitsubishi 14 15.7-35.5 50-87 .28 Diamond Pro 26M Mitsubishi 25 15-38 45-90 .31 Diamond Scan 20LP/Mitsubishi 20 15-38 45-90 .31 HC-3915 Mitsubishi 20 15-38 45-90 .31 HC-3505SK Mitsubishi 26 15.7-38 45-90 .31 XC-3315C Mitsubishi 33 15-38 40-120 .83 XC-3715C Mitsubishi 37 15-36 45-120 ? AM-2752A Mitsubishi 27 15.6-36 45-90 .75 AM-3151A Mitsubishi 31 15.6-36 45-90 .76 AM-3501R Mitsubishi 35 15-35.5 45-70 .92 MG-3430 Modgraph 9 15-35 50-70 .26 MultiSync I NEC 14 15.5-35 50-72 ? MultiSync II NEC 14 15-35 50-80 .31 MultiSync 3D NEC 14 15.5-38 50-90 .28 DataSmart DM-2710 NEC 27 15-38 40-100 .75 445A801 Nokia 20 15-35 45-80 .31 445F001 Nokia 20 15-35 45-80 .31 445J202 Nokia 20 15-35 45-80 .31 PanaSync C1391 Panasonic 13 15.5-36 40-80 .31 AlphaScan Sampo 14 15.75-36 50-87 .28 CE-8 Sceptre 14 15-38 50-90 .28 CM-3 Sceptre 14 15.5-36 50-70 .31 CPD-1302 SONY 13 15.75-36 50-100 .25 GVM-1310 SONY 13 15.75-36 50-100 .25 GVM-1311Q SONY 13 15-36 50-100 .25 GVM-2020 SONY 20 15.75-36 50-100 .55 Tuff/CRT Talon 14 15-35 47-73 .31 Omniscan CM-1495H Tatung 14 15-37 40-120 .31 MultiVision 770+ TAXAN 14 15-37 50-90 .31 MediaScan 3+ TVM 14 15-38 46-100 .28 TM-5414 TW Casper 14 15.5-35 50-70 .31 TY-1411 Tystar 14 15.5-37 50-120 .28 Princeton MAX-15 Ultimate Display 14 15-36 45-120 ? 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Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From ja-list@tkgbbs.freeserve.co.uk Wed Sep 29 00:14:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop2.onelist.com [209.207.164.211]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA27285 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:27:27 +0100 Received: (qmail 27622 invoked by alias); 29 Sep 1999 17:26:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 27607 invoked from network); 29 Sep 1999 17:26:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.241) by pop2.onelist.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 1999 17:26:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail12.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.215) by mta2.onelist.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 1999 17:31:19 -0000 Received: from modem-28.dysprosium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.32.156] helo=tkgbbs.freeserve.co.uk) by mail12.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11WNUF-0001qr-00 for just-amiga@onelist.com; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:25:51 +0100 Received: by tkgbbs.freeserve.co.uk.nodomain (Amiga SMTPpost 1.04 December 9, 1994) id AA01; Wed, 29 Sep 99 03:30:19 From: ja-list@tkgbbs.freeserve.co.uk Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 00:14:07 GMT Organization: Zeus Developments http://www.bleach.demon.co.uk/ Message-Id: <37F1DC2A.1D3A@tkgbbs.freeserve.co.uk> X-MailReader: Zeus BBS v1.2 #3E9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: just-amiga@onelist.com Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Monitor Questions Content-Type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-UIDL: bcb4cfb4f4e30ae173f8572ceb9ab6ec From: ja-list@tkgbbs.freeserve.co.uk On Sunday September 26 1999, Andrew Crowe said to All: >> I am in the states so I need NTSC. Are you saying that any monitor >> that works from 30khz and up will work? AC> Ok, do you actually use anything other then NTSC modes? You may be AC> better off getting a nice big scart VT, I'm using an old 21" TV with AC> scart and it's great :) Scart is pretty damn good. I always thought there would be some quality loss, so I never got a cable for any computers, but seeing a digital TV box hooked up with scart has changed my mind! Absolutly beautiful quality images. -- Neil Williams, Wrexham, Wales mailto:neil@aio.co.uk ICQ:18223711 SlamMail & Zeus BBS Developer/TKG SysOp/RC5 Amiga Team/AIO News Editor Zeus Developments - http://www.bleach.demon.co.uk/zeus/ --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- GET 2 FREE MUSIC CDS AND LOWER YOUR PHONE BILL! ACT NOW! Sign up for Qwest long distance at Shopnow.com and receive 2 free music CDs, huge savings on long distance, plus special deals! Expires 9/30! Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From ja-list@tkgbbs.freeserve.co.uk Wed Sep 29 00:06:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.31]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA27291 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:27:32 +0100 Received: (qmail 20666 invoked by alias); 29 Sep 1999 17:25:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 20657 invoked from network); 29 Sep 1999 17:25:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.239) by pop.onelist.com with QMQP; 29 Sep 1999 17:25:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail12.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.215) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 1999 17:25:49 -0000 Received: from modem-28.dysprosium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.32.156] helo=tkgbbs.freeserve.co.uk) by mail12.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11WNUC-0001qr-00 for just-amiga@onelist.com; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:25:49 +0100 Received: by tkgbbs.freeserve.co.uk.nodomain (Amiga SMTPpost 1.04 December 9, 1994) id AA01; Wed, 29 Sep 99 03:30:18 From: ja-list@tkgbbs.freeserve.co.uk Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 00:06:10 GMT Organization: Zeus Developments http://www.bleach.demon.co.uk/ Message-Id: <37F1DC2A.1D39@tkgbbs.freeserve.co.uk> X-MailReader: Zeus BBS v1.2 #3E9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: just-amiga@onelist.com Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Monitor Questions Content-Type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-UIDL: d114ada4f4abc11f5ca03e93546e20c2 From: ja-list@tkgbbs.freeserve.co.uk On Sunday September 26 1999, Jack York said to All: JY> I am looking into getting a larger monitor ( 15 to 17 "). I remember JY> that there was something specific needed for the monitor to work on an JY> Amiga but I can't remeber what it was ( I think it had to do with the JY> scan rate). Does anyone know offhand what the requirements are or JY> where I can find out? The Amiga normally displays 15KHz video rather than the 31KHz supported by SVGA style monitors. If you need to play Amiga games, and don't want to keep an older monitor or TV/modulator nearby, then a scan doubler is needed (like on an A3000 or Picasso-IV). AGA Amigas will support 31KHz (Multiscan, DBLPAL DBLNTSC, etc. screenmodes), but again games and old stuff like AMOS will still force open 15KHz screens. JY> Also, the monitor on my spare Amiga went bad. I have a spare 1084S JY> setting around. Can someone tell me if this will work on an A3000 with JY> a graphics board? The cable from the monitor was made to fit the JY> Amiga's video port while the graphics card has a different type of JY> connector. Is there an adapter? No - the 1084 is a 15KHz only monitor. It'll only work with the Amiga's normal video output. -- Neil Williams, Wrexham, Wales mailto:neil@aio.co.uk ICQ:18223711 SlamMail & Zeus BBS Developer/TKG SysOp/RC5 Amiga Team/AIO News Editor Zeus Developments - http://www.bleach.demon.co.uk/zeus/ --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- GET 2 FREE MUSIC CDS AND LOWER YOUR PHONE BILL! ACT NOW! Sign up for Qwest long distance at Shopnow.com and receive 2 free music CDs, huge savings on long distance, plus special deals! Expires 9/30! Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From willik@bellatlantic.net Thu Sep 30 11:15:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop4.onelist.com [209.207.164.237]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA16084 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 21:18:59 +0100 Received: (qmail 26924 invoked by alias); 30 Sep 1999 21:17:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 26713 invoked from network); 30 Sep 1999 21:17:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.241) by pop4.onelist.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 1999 21:17:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) (199.45.39.157) by mta2.onelist.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 1999 21:22:37 -0000 Received: from bellatlantic.net (client-151-204-202-225.bellatlantic.net [151.204.202.225]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA04193 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:22:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Willi Kusche To: "Tony P. Parr" Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:15:36 +0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Diskette disaster Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: bd18f982f183a05dd0b2321a0b092240 From: Willi Kusche Hi! I bought a copy of version 1.25 of Metacomco Pascal on eBay. Today I received the diskette. Running a verify program on the diskette revealed that one minor file in the "C" directory was unreadable. So I decided I had better make a backup copy. But in the process of making a backup copy, the most important files, "pascal" in the "C" directory and "paslib.obj" in the "l/pascal" directory became unreadable. The reason is obvious when the surface of the diskette is examined as there's damage that wasn't there when I received the diskette. I've sent e-mail to the individual I bought the diskette from but there's an excellent chance he won't be able to help me. Can anyone on this list help me? Willi --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Does Windows keep ""bugging"" you? Can't get that PowerPoint slide to fit? Get FREE real-time live expert support over the Internet at expertcity.com. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From andrewcrowe@enterprise.net Thu Sep 30 22:29:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.225]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA16283 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 21:34:09 +0100 Received: (qmail 18751 invoked by alias); 30 Sep 1999 22:06:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 18739 invoked from network); 30 Sep 1999 22:06:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.239) by pop1.onelist.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 1999 22:06:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.enterprise.net) (194.72.192.18) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 1999 21:32:31 -0000 Received: from enterprise.net (andrewcrowe@max03-070.enterprise.net [194.72.196.70]) by mail.enterprise.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA19384 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:32:31 +0100 (GMT/BST) From: Andrew Crowe To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:29:35 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [040] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Diskette disaster Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-UIDL: 57729cf084274e04131b67c2183128a5 From: Andrew Crowe Hi Everybody, > received the diskette. > I've sent e-mail to the individual I bought the diskette from but there's > an excellent chance he won't be able to help me. Can anyone on this list help > me? Have you tried scraping it off the disk with a recovery program like Disksalv or something? Also, do other disks work in the drive, as it may be faulty... See ya :) -- Manta Soft - Amiga programing & web page designing http://mantasoft.tripod.com/ ICQ: 21829166 Homepage updated 5/8/99 --- James Bond on GFX Card & CPU players! - ------------------- Quote of the day: -------------------- - Do you suffer from long term memory loss? I can't remember... -- Chumbawamba --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- BETA TEST expertcity.com's new online, real-time, technical support service! Let our live experts help you with your computer now. IT'S FREE! ! ! Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From amiscorp@earthlink.net Thu Sep 30 22:46:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop2.onelist.com [209.207.164.209]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA17210 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:49:04 +0100 Received: (qmail 12172 invoked by alias); 30 Sep 1999 22:46:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 12104 invoked from network); 30 Sep 1999 22:46:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.239) by pop2.onelist.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 1999 22:46:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.62) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 1999 22:47:28 -0000 Received: from earthlink.net ([63.17.93.240]) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA29952 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:47:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "Marion E. Wyatt" To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:46:55 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <37F1DC2A.1D39@tkgbbs.freeserve.co.uk> X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [060] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Monitor Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-UIDL: 3c32f6df0b489c370c4f317dc8ab63e6 From: "Marion E. Wyatt" On 28-Sep-99 at 20:06:10, ja-list@tkgbbs.freeserve.co.uk wrote these words of wisdom: > AGA Amigas will support 31KHz (Multiscan, DBLPAL DBLNTSC, etc. > screenmodes), but again games and old stuff like AMOS will still > force open 15KHz screens. AMOS programs are notorious for not liking promoted screens and gfx cards. If I see a program (usually a game) that was made with AMOS I just delete it or don't download it. -- Marion E. Wyatt AMIGA3000 CSPPC/233+060/50 CV64/3D OS3.1 138MB 1GB ZIP100 amiscorp@earthlink.net Support commercial Only AMIGA Makes It Possible! / // / and shareware progs AMIGA * Back For The FUTURE Member __ __ / // / Dare To Dream AMIGA! of \ \\ \/ // / * A M I G A I N T E R N A T I O N A L I N C * Team AMIGA\ \\/ // / and * * A M I G A * * \_/_//_/ My homepage * http://home.earthlink.net/~amiscorp Amiga Connexion * http://home.earthlink.net/~amiscorp/AmigaConnexion.html --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- ?? BETA TEST our free, real-time technical support service with live experts !! go to EXPERTCITY.COM Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From andrewcrowe@enterprise.net Thu Sep 30 23:48:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop2.onelist.com [209.207.164.205]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA17239 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:52:56 +0100 Received: (qmail 739 invoked by alias); 30 Sep 1999 22:50:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 731 invoked from network); 30 Sep 1999 22:50:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.241) by pop2.onelist.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 1999 22:50:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.enterprise.net) (194.72.192.18) by mta2.onelist.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 1999 22:56:46 -0000 Received: from enterprise.net (andrewcrowe@max04-073.enterprise.net [194.72.196.193]) by mail.enterprise.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA04172 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:51:18 +0100 (GMT/BST) From: Andrew Crowe To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:48:20 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [040] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Monitor Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-UIDL: eb1dd9d8b86aefd358a073e4b4fa67dc From: Andrew Crowe Hi Everybody, >> AGA Amigas will support 31KHz (Multiscan, DBLPAL DBLNTSC, etc. >> screenmodes), but again games and old stuff like AMOS will still >> force open 15KHz screens. > > AMOS programs are notorious for not liking promoted screens and gfx cards. > If I see a program (usually a game) that was made with AMOS I just delete it > or don't download it. Would that count if, say, it had support for system friendly RTG screen usage? Which it can, y'know. (sorry, can't help sticking up for amos :) See ya :) -- Manta Soft - Amiga programing & web page designing http://mantasoft.tripod.com/ ICQ: 21829166 Homepage updated 5/8/99 --- James Bond on *#GFX Card#* & CPU players! - ------------------- Quote of the day: -------------------- - Child actress Drew Barrymore hosted SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE on November 20th, 1982 when she was seven years old. --The Miscellanea Digest --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- BETA TEST expertcity.com's new online, real-time, technical support service! Let our live experts help you with your computer now. IT'S FREE! ! ! Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From edelsteen@icqmail.com Fri Oct 01 02:58:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop4.onelist.com [209.207.164.235]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA19212 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 03:00:03 +0100 Received: (qmail 25178 invoked by alias); 1 Oct 1999 02:58:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 25173 invoked from network); 1 Oct 1999 02:58:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.241) by pop4.onelist.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 1999 02:58:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c005.sfo.cp.net) (209.228.13.71) by mta2.onelist.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 1999 03:03:55 -0000 Received: (cpmta 9410 invoked from network); 30 Sep 1999 19:58:24 -0700 Date: 30 Sep 1999 19:58:24 -0700 Message-ID: <19991001025824.9408.cpmta@c005.sfo.cp.net> X-Sent: 1 Oct 1999 02:58:24 GMT Received: from [200.13.17.65] by mail.icqmail.com with HTTP; 30 Sep 1999 19:58:23 PDT Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: just-amiga@onelist.com From: Johanna vR X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.1 X-Icq: 40728827 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Old Amiga Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: 8281aec6ec432a7568cd79a6489458fd From: Johanna vR Hello. I am new to this list and I'd like to ask a question about the Amiga Commodore, yet perhaps this has been asked several times already, so I hope this doesn't bother you. I have a good old Amiga with OS 1.2 about 13 years old, and I'd like to know what problems would it have with the y2k and if there is any way to fix it. Thanks for any comment, Johanna ------------------------------------------------------------- Sign up for ICQmail at http://www.icq.com/icqmail/signup.html --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Does Windows keep ""bugging"" you? Can't get that PowerPoint slide to fit? Get FREE real-time live expert support over the Internet at expertcity.com. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From jmackoy@tranquility.net Fri Oct 01 03:33:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.227]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA19410 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 03:35:09 +0100 Received: (qmail 24160 invoked by alias); 1 Oct 1999 03:34:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 23949 invoked from network); 1 Oct 1999 03:34:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.241) by pop1.onelist.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 1999 03:34:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tranq1.tranquility.net) (206.156.230.1) by mta2.onelist.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 1999 03:38:54 -0000 Received: from tranquility.net (ppp-port2-50.tranquility.net [206.152.118.113]) by tranq1.tranquility.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id WAA02712 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:33:26 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37F42B81.17A11209@tranquility.net> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:33:21 -0500 From: Jim Mackoy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: just-amiga@onelist.com References: <19991001025824.9408.cpmta@c005.sfo.cp.net> Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: Re: [just-amiga] Old Amiga Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-UIDL: 2cc5dacfb699b4eb56ded4acb4adb9ce From: Jim Mackoy If you go to the AmigaInc web site, they have section dealling with Y2K issues on the Amiga. The url is Jim Johanna vR wrote: > From: Johanna vR > > Hello. I am new to this list and I'd like to ask a question about the Amiga Commodore, > yet perhaps this has been asked several times already, so I hope this doesn't bother > you. I have a good old Amiga with OS 1.2 about 13 years old, and I'd like to know > what problems would it have with the y2k and if there is any way to fix it. > Thanks for any comment, > Johanna > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Sign up for ICQmail at http://www.icq.com/icqmail/signup.html > > > AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Does Windows keep ""bugging"" you? Can't get that PowerPoint slide to fit? Get FREE real-time live expert support over the Internet at expertcity.com. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From andrewcrowe@enterprise.net Fri Oct 01 18:08:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop4.onelist.com [209.207.164.243]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA29786 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 17:12:51 +0100 Received: (qmail 9083 invoked by alias); 1 Oct 1999 17:11:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 9033 invoked from network); 1 Oct 1999 17:11:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.241) by pop4.onelist.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 1999 17:11:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.enterprise.net) (194.72.192.18) by mta2.onelist.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 1999 17:16:41 -0000 Received: from enterprise.net (andrewcrowe@max02-028.enterprise.net [194.72.195.148]) by mail.enterprise.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA20553 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 18:11:14 +0100 (GMT/BST) From: Andrew Crowe To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 18:08:16 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <19991001025824.9408.cpmta@c005.sfo.cp.net> X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [040] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Old Amiga Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-UIDL: bae371c113303b9c9bff907806e23345 From: Andrew Crowe Hi Everybody, > Hello. I am new to this list and I'd like to ask a question about the Amiga Commodore, > yet perhaps this has been asked several times already, so I hope this doesn't bother > you. I have a good old Amiga with OS 1.2 about 13 years old, and I'd like to know > what problems would it have with the y2k and if there is any way to fix it. I'd think that the worst that could happen is that it looses the right date. I doubt that it will have any problem though. (you know, you can test it by setting the date to the 31st Dec 1999 at 11:50, then leave it off for 20 minutes and turn it back on. See ya :) -- Manta Soft - Amiga programing & web page designing http://mantasoft.tripod.com/ ICQ: 21829166 Homepage updated 5/8/99 --- James Bond on GFX Card & CPU players! - ------------------- Quote of the day: -------------------- - "Bother," said Pooh, as what he saw was definatly was not what he got. --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- ??? Computer Questions ==> Free Answers From Live Experts ! ! ! go to EXPERTCITY.COM Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From hwagner@primenet.com Fri Oct 01 18:24:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.159]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA30120 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 17:39:40 +0100 Received: (qmail 15226 invoked by alias); 1 Oct 1999 17:37:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 15221 invoked from network); 1 Oct 1999 17:37:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.241) by pop.onelist.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 1999 17:37:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp03.primenet.com) (206.165.6.133) by mta2.onelist.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 1999 17:43:27 -0000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05570 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:37:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from 207-218-69-207.nas-2.OBT.primenet.com(207.218.69.207), claiming to be "primenet.com" via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpdAAAm3aqRk; Fri Oct 1 10:37:43 1999 From: Hilda To: Johanna vR Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 10:24:45 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <19991001025824.9408.cpmta@c005.sfo.cp.net> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: Re: [just-amiga] Old Amiga Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: 25d7ebae560b15cbc6190ebd365a6ceb From: Hilda On 30-Sep-99, Johanna vR is alleged to have said... >Hello. I am new to this list and I'd like to ask a question about the Amiga >Commodore, >yet perhaps this has been asked several times already, so I hope this doesn't >bother >you. I have a good old Amiga with OS 1.2 about 13 years old, and I'd like to >know >what problems would it have with the y2k and if there is any way to fix it. >Thanks for any comment, >Johanna Your computer will crash dead in 2078. At that time, you may get a new one. Hilda -- >-----------------------------------------------------------< #-=- Hilda Wagner-=-# hwagner@primenet.com http://www.primenet.com/~swans/ DISCLAIMER: No Microsoft products were used in the creation of this e-mail >-----------------------------------------------------------< --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Does Windows keep ""bugging"" you? Can't get that PowerPoint slide to fit? Get FREE real-time live expert support over the Internet at expertcity.com. Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From willik@bellatlantic.net Fri Oct 01 07:56:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop3.onelist.com [209.207.164.249]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA30393 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 18:00:04 +0100 Received: (qmail 7143 invoked by alias); 1 Oct 1999 17:58:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 7101 invoked from network); 1 Oct 1999 17:58:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.239) by pop3.onelist.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 1999 17:58:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) (199.45.39.157) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 1999 17:58:29 -0000 Received: from bellatlantic.net (client-151-204-202-132.bellatlantic.net [151.204.202.132]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA02102 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 14:03:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Willi Kusche To: Johanna vR Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 12:56:43 +0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <19991001025824.9408.cpmta@c005.sfo.cp.net> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Old Amiga Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: 1b72493bfa880b2c68e478ef8d4ca54a From: Willi Kusche On 01-Oct-99, Johanna vR wrote: >From: Johanna vR >Hello. I am new to this list and I'd like to ask a question about the Amiga >Commodore, >yet perhaps this has been asked several times already, so I hope this doesn't >bother >you. I have a good old Amiga with OS 1.2 about 13 years old, and I'd like to >know >what problems would it have with the y2k and if there is any way to fix it. >Thanks for any comment, AmigaOS maintains the date as a count of seconds since a start date. I believe the start date is January 1, 1980. So the AmigaOS date will not go weird on January 1, 2000. Willi --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- ?? BETA TEST our free, real-time technical support service with live experts !! go to EXPERTCITY.COM Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From amiscorp@earthlink.net Fri Oct 01 18:34:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.227]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA30893 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 18:37:03 +0100 Received: (qmail 22448 invoked by alias); 1 Oct 1999 18:36:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 22434 invoked from network); 1 Oct 1999 18:36:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.241) by pop1.onelist.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 1999 18:36:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net) (207.217.121.12) by mta2.onelist.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 1999 18:40:52 -0000 Received: from earthlink.net (1Cust40.tnt1.london.ky.da.uu.net [63.17.93.40]) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA05126 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 11:35:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "Marion E. Wyatt" To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 14:34:55 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [060] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Monitor Questions Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: 4d693d19ee83954187f8f3d47f669c25 From: "Marion E. Wyatt" On 30-Sep-99 at 19:48:20, Andrew Crowe wrote these words of wisdom: > From: Andrew Crowe >>> AGA Amigas will support 31KHz (Multiscan, DBLPAL DBLNTSC, etc. >>> screenmodes), but again games and old stuff like AMOS will still >>> force open 15KHz screens. >> >> AMOS programs are notorious for not liking promoted screens and gfx >> cards. If I see a program (usually a game) that was made with AMOS I just >> delete it or don't download it. > > Would that count if, say, it had support for system friendly RTG screen > usage? Which it can, y'know. (sorry, can't help sticking up for amos :) > > See ya :) No AMOS program I have ever used since getting a gfx card has worked on a CGFX screen :) They want to use screens that can't be retargetted for some reason. This is my experience anyways... I'd love to be proven wrong and shown how to get them to show up on my CV64/3D :) I use ModePro to grab screen calls. -- Marion E. 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BETA TEST our free, real-time technical support service with live experts !! go to EXPERTCITY.COM Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From andrewcrowe@enterprise.net Fri Oct 01 21:23:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop1.onelist.com [209.207.164.223]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA32271 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 20:27:44 +0100 Received: (qmail 23874 invoked by alias); 1 Oct 1999 20:26:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 23859 invoked from network); 1 Oct 1999 20:26:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.239) by pop1.onelist.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 1999 20:26:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.enterprise.net) (194.72.192.18) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 1999 20:26:05 -0000 Received: from enterprise.net (andrewcrowe@max04-090.enterprise.net [194.72.196.210]) by mail.enterprise.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA26527 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 21:26:03 +0100 (GMT/BST) From: Andrew Crowe To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 21:23:01 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [040] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Monitor Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-UIDL: 5d98f360c9a9394fa798f152f35e7b99 From: Andrew Crowe Hi Everybody, >> Would that count if, say, it had support for system friendly RTG screen >> usage? Which it can, y'know. (sorry, can't help sticking up for amos :) > No AMOS program I have ever used since getting a gfx card has worked on a > CGFX screen :) They want to use screens that can't be retargetted for some > reason. This is my experience anyways... I'd love to be proven wrong and > shown how to get them to show up on my CV64/3D :) I use ModePro to grab > screen calls. Ah, I was hoping you'd ask that :) /me cracks his knuckles I suggest you go to http://mantasoft.tripod.com/ and download the latest version of the JamesBond game. It fully supports a selectable screenmode, and is quite a good laugh anyway :) See ya :) -- Manta Soft - Amiga programing & web page designing http://mantasoft.tripod.com/ ICQ: 21829166 Homepage updated 5/8/99 --- James Bond on GFX Card & CPU players! - ------------------- Quote of the day: -------------------- - The youngest pope was 11 years old. --The Miscellanea Digest --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- ?? BETA TEST our free, real-time technical support service with live experts !! go to EXPERTCITY.COM Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From amiga@thefree.net Fri Oct 01 23:55:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop4.onelist.com [209.207.164.245]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA01321 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 23:12:38 +0100 Received: (qmail 19352 invoked by alias); 1 Oct 1999 23:08:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 18422 invoked from network); 1 Oct 1999 23:07:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.241) by pop4.onelist.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 1999 23:07:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO homer.thefree.net) (195.34.192.14) by mta2.onelist.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 1999 23:13:06 -0000 Received: from thefree.net (AIOeditor@nas01-200.12.thefree.net [195.34.200.12]) by homer.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA24694 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 00:42:26 +0100 From: Chris Seward To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 23:55:29 +0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] AIO Survey 1999 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="BOUNDARY.2014599344.1" X-UIDL: 4782beb21c382f22fa5bc2e4a5124a31 Status: U From: Chris Seward --BOUNDARY.2014599344.1 Content-Type: text/plain Dear AIO Readers, Please fill in the Amiga Information Online Survey 1999 if you have ever read AIO. We would like everyone of you to return the survey so we can get a good understanding of who our readers are. You can fill it in at, http://www.aio.co.uk (Click the Survey link on the left sidebar) or return the enclosed text (survey.txt) Closing date : 15th October 1999. Thankyou for your time! Toodle Pip! -- Chris Seward - Editor, Amiga Information Online *URL* : http://www.aio.co.uk / *Email* : chris@aio.co.uk Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga --BOUNDARY.2014599344.1 Content-Type: text/plain; name="survey.txt" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="survey.txt" Survey ------ Please place a '*' between the [ ]. Unless otherwise stated please choose as many options as you want. (Choose 1) indicates that only one box should receive a '*'. Return to : survey99@aio.co.uk Closing date : October 15th, 1999. About yourself... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name? [ ] Age? [ ] What country are you from? [ ] Are you Male or Female? (Choose 1) Male [ ] Female [ ] How many years have you owned an Amiga system? (Choose 1) 1-2 Years [ ] 3-5 Years [ ] 6-9 Years [ ] Over 10 Years [ ] What Amiga systems do you own? A1200 [ ] A4000 [ ] A600 [ ] A500 [ ] A500+ [ ] A3000 [ ] A2000 [ ] A1000 [ ] Other [ ] Which of these do you already own? Printer B/W or Col [ ] Graphics Card [ ] Sound Card [ ] PPC Card [ ] 68030 Accelerator or less [ ] 68040 Accelerator or better [ ] CD-ROM 8x or less [ ] CD-ROM higher than 8x [ ] Monitor [ ] TV (Used on Amiga) [ ] Other [ ] What other systems do you own? PC type [ ] Apple Mac [ ] Sony Playstation [ ] Nintendo 64 [ ] Psion (3/3a/3c/3mx/5/5mx) [ ] C64 [ ] About AIO... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- What do you think of the AIO GUI? 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[ ] Other... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please state which of these electronic/paper magazines you also read regularly. Amiga Format [ ] Amiga Energy [ ] Amiga Survivor [ ] World of Amiga [ ] Amiga Report [ ] Amiga Central [ ] Amiga Flame [ ] Amiga Nutta [ ] What is your favourite Amiga magazine? (Choose 1) Amiga Information Online (AIO) [ ] Amiga Format [ ] Amiga Energy [ ] Amiga Survivor [ ] World of Amiga [ ] Amiga Report [ ] Amiga Central [ ] Amiga Flame [ ] Amiga Nutta [ ] Other [ ] Comments ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do you have any additional comments about AIO that you would like to make? Thankyou. Please return this survey to, survey99@aio.co.uk --BOUNDARY.2014599344.1-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From amiga@thefree.net Fri Oct 01 23:55:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop4.onelist.com [209.207.164.237]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA01326 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 23:12:54 +0100 Received: (qmail 32487 invoked by alias); 1 Oct 1999 23:11:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 32425 invoked from network); 1 Oct 1999 23:11:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.239) by pop4.onelist.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 1999 23:11:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO homer.thefree.net) (195.34.192.14) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 1999 23:11:16 -0000 Received: from thefree.net (AIOeditor@nas01-200.12.thefree.net [195.34.200.12]) by homer.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA24769 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 00:46:04 +0100 From: Chris Seward To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 23:55:40 +0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] AIO Issue 28, September 1999 released! Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: 51ea178433ffeac0dc13db9f79cbc5c1 Status: U From: Chris Seward Dear Reader, Amiga Information Online issue 28, September 1999 has now been released today, 28/9/99. I appologise for the short 3 days delay in the release of this issue but this was due to me being unwell. As always you can receive the latest issue from the places listed in distribution in any older issue of AIO or our website. You can also use these main release sources, URL : http://www.aio.co.uk Aminet : Docs/Mags/AIOV28.lha Please allow a few days for it to appear on the Aminet. Toodle Pip! -- Chris Seward - Editor, Amiga Information Online *URL* : http://www.aio.co.uk - Email : chris@aio.co.uk - ICQ : 41724074 *Phone* : +44 (0) 7887 664915 - *ACS* : AIOeditor - *IRC* : AIOeditor Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Does Windows keep ""bugging"" you? 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Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From amiga@thefree.net Fri Oct 01 23:56:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop4.onelist.com [209.207.164.237]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA01346 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 23:14:06 +0100 Received: (qmail 1244 invoked by alias); 1 Oct 1999 23:12:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 1181 invoked from network); 1 Oct 1999 23:12:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.241) by pop4.onelist.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 1999 23:12:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO homer.thefree.net) (195.34.192.14) by mta2.onelist.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 1999 23:17:54 -0000 Received: from thefree.net (AIOeditor@nas01-200.12.thefree.net [195.34.200.12]) by homer.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA24817 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 00:47:15 +0100 From: Chris Seward To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 23:56:21 +0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Just-Amiga 1 yr old this month! Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: ffbf93fa6ed729c63b6ce92162dfe51d Status: U From: Chris Seward Hi All, YES, it was a year ago September that Just-Amiga started officially, just thought i'd let you all know. Sorry, we didn't have time for any cake or jelly but there are a few fish paste sandwiches on a first come first serve basis ;) Toodle Pip! -- Chris Seward - Editor, Amiga Information Online *URL* : http://www.aio.co.uk - Email : chris@aio.co.uk - ICQ : 41724074 *Phone* : +44 (0) 7887 664915 - *ACS* : AIOeditor - *IRC* : AIOeditor Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- ?? BETA TEST our free, real-time technical support service with live experts !! go to EXPERTCITY.COM Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From kwdjc@wf.net Fri Oct 01 23:36:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop3.onelist.com [209.207.164.247]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA01584 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 23:37:57 +0100 Received: (qmail 14838 invoked by alias); 1 Oct 1999 23:36:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 14796 invoked from network); 1 Oct 1999 23:36:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.241) by pop3.onelist.com with QMQP; 1 Oct 1999 23:36:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wf.net) (208.129.168.4) by mta2.onelist.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 1999 23:41:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 20995 invoked from network); 1 Oct 1999 18:36:22 -0500 Received: from mw-pm5-1.wf.net (HELO wf.net) (12.5.164.1) by odin.wf.net with SMTP; 1 Oct 1999 18:36:22 -0500 From: Kenneth Craig To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 18:36:05 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 [040] AmigaOS E-Mail Client (c) 1995-1999 by Marcel Beck http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Just-Amiga 1 yr old this month! Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: 135538a4f25929da025914ca6c22ceea From: Kenneth Craig Hello Chris, On 01-Oct-99, Chris Seward wrote: > From: Chris Seward > > Hi All, > > YES, it was a year ago September that Just-Amiga started officially, > just thought i'd let you all know. > > Sorry, we didn't have time for any cake or jelly but there are a few > fish paste sandwiches on a first come first serve basis ;) > Just what is a fish paste sandwich? Sounds terrible! I am sure it is something that is edible, but I have never heard anything called that here in the US. > Toodle Pip! Regards, Kenneth -- Be careful of reading health books, you might die of a misprint. -- Mark Twain Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga "Actually, I'm sitting on my butt staring at a computer screen." kwdjc@wf.net UIN 12669981 --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- Does Windows keep ""bugging"" you? Can't get that PowerPoint slide to fit? 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Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk From amiga@thefree.net Sat Oct 02 11:43:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from onelist.com (pop.onelist.com [209.207.135.229]) by bluey.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA07253 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 12:09:33 +0100 Received: (qmail 13879 invoked by alias); 2 Oct 1999 12:07:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 13874 invoked from network); 2 Oct 1999 12:07:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (209.207.164.241) by pop.onelist.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 1999 12:07:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO homer.thefree.net) (195.34.192.14) by mta2.onelist.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 1999 12:13:25 -0000 Received: from thefree.net (AIOeditor@nas01-200.116.thefree.net [195.34.200.116]) by homer.thefree.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA02367 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 13:42:51 +0100 From: Chris Seward To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 11:43:41 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Subject: Re: [just-amiga] Re: Just-Amiga 1 yr old this month! Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: eaa742b01c1e3559a98030be69065cc5 From: Chris Seward Hi Kenneth, On 01-Oct-99, you wrote: >> fish paste sandwiches on a first come first serve basis ;) >> > Just what is a fish paste sandwich? Sounds terrible! I am sure it is > something that is edible, but I have never heard anything called that > here in the US. Ahh, the old fish paste sandwich. Well fish paste is a fish flavoured paste basically, aka a sandwich spread maybe. Remembering back to very early childhood at parties they would have jelly (not the American type, not what you Americans would have with peanut butter, the red and green stuff that wobbles) cake, hats etc and normally a big tray of fish paste sandwiches or some other horrible sandwich filled with a paste that no one would like so plenty left over! :) -- Chris Seward - Editor, Amiga Information Online *URL* : http://www.aio.co.uk - Email : chris@aio.co.uk - ICQ : 41724074 *Phone* : +44 (0) 7887 664915 - *ACS* : AIOeditor - *IRC* : AIOeditor Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- ??? Computer Questions ==> Free Answers From Live Experts ! ! ! go to EXPERTCITY.COM Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AIO website @ http://www.aio.co.uk