These are all the messages posted to the JUST-AMiGA mailing list in December 1998. Signed. Chris Seward JUST-AMiGA Moderator and Editor of Amiga Information Online For help or more information email :- amiga@thefree.net or read JOIN-JA.txt that came with this archive for details on joining this mailing list! From ngadd@southcom.com.au Sun Oct 18 12:19:15 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--850-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Fri Dec 18 11:22:43 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:22:43 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.31] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Fri, 18 Dec 1998 11:22:42 0000 Received: (qmail 4057 invoked by alias); 18 Dec 1998 11:23:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 4005 invoked from network); 18 Dec 1998 11:23:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hobart.southcom.com.au) (203.60.16.2) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 1998 11:23:03 -0000 Received: from southcom.com.au (ngadd@pAf8.hbt.southcom.com.au [203.60.23.249]) by hobart.southcom.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA01206 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 22:22:30 +1100 (EST) From: Noel Gadd To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 22:19:15 +1100 Message-ID: Importance: High X-Mailer: YAM 2.0Preview6 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Lend_A_Hand BBS Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Help FORMAT MSDos From: Noel Gadd G'day Everyone and Seasons greetings, I have a delema. Can any one set me in the right direction to formating an IDE HD so that I can read it on PC and Amiga ? Ive set up the drive in HD tool box as a custom MS dos filing system . When I reboot I get no Icons ? Thats where I come unstuck. Do I have to tell CrossDos via a Dosdriver at startup that its there ? Please help. Kind regards -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Noel Gadd - Sysop , Lend_A_Hand BBS ph +61-3-62-739645 - Amiga Support. - Amiga Internet Support Machines - Amiga2000/030/68882/25Mhz/10meg ram/GVP I/O card/1 GBHD/ Pioneer DRM-602X 6 CD stacker 2x33K6 Maestro V34/SX1,CD32/10meg ram/40MBHD Software - Cnet4.69/WB3.1/MUI3.8/Yam2.0_P6/Miami/Ibrowse GPFAX/Trapdoor/Dirwork162/AMFTP/AMIRC/PPaint Email at Home - Ngadd@Southcom.com.au Home Page - HTTP://www.southcom.com.au/~ngadd Email at Work - Ngadd@erico.com Web http://www.erico.com ICQ # 24051421 ______________________________________________________________________________ Success is like a fart - only your own smells nice. -- James P. Hogan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From bigken@nationwideisp.net Sat Nov 28 18:02:20 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--722-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sun Nov 29 00:40:29 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sun, 29 Nov 1998 00:40:29 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.13] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sun, 29 Nov 1998 00:40:28 0000 Received: (qmail 30973 invoked by alias); 29 Nov 1998 00:43:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 30658 invoked from network); 29 Nov 1998 00:43:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maple) (194.73.73.163) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 1998 00:43:27 -0000 Received: from nationwideisp.net [155.192.226.237] by maple with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0zjupf-0005ia-00; Sun, 29 Nov 1998 00:35:23 +0000 From: Ken Walsh To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 18:02:20 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <658b8b58.366007ef@aol.com> X-Mailer: YAM 2.0Preview6 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Home Use Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Help From: Ken Walsh On 28-Nov-98, DCWILSON99@aol.com wrote: > thanks, however right now neither Amiga has capability of going online. > My online software for Amiga is really outdated :( Well use Miami (will shut down after 30 mins) as your TCP software and YAM as your mailer and IBrowse demo version all this is free from Aminet. And is bloody good as well also you will need MUI as well with this stuff. Once you have all this up and running Pay for it (except YAM which is free) This is all good software and the blokes deserve being paid for it Cheers all the best Ken Walsh ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Help support ONElist, while generating interest in your product or service. ONElist has a variety of advertising packages. Visit http://www.onelist.com/advert.html for more information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From tom.hurst@clara.net Sun Nov 29 00:24:11 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--728-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sun Nov 29 10:49:13 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sun, 29 Nov 1998 10:49:13 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.159] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sun, 29 Nov 1998 10:49:13 0000 Received: (qmail 5380 invoked by alias); 29 Nov 1998 10:55:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 5374 invoked from network); 29 Nov 1998 10:55:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO remus.clara.net) (195.8.69.79) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 1998 10:55:08 -0000 Received: from clara.net (Tom@du-028-0023.claranet.co.uk [195.8.86.23]) by remus.clara.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA18317 for ; Sun, 29 Nov 1998 10:49:05 GMT (envelope-from tom.hurst@clara.net) From: Thomas Hurst To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 23:24:11 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: AmiSITE -> http://surf.to/amisite <- AmiSITE Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [just-amiga] Re: A step closer to free UK local calls....? From: Thomas Hurst Hi! On 28-Nov-98, Chris Seward wrote: > Thomas, > On 28-Nov-98, you wrote: > >> Oftel are not preventing free local calls - they are keeping BT's > prices >> high, but anyone else who wants to can provide free calls. > > Why are they keeping BT's prices high? anyway I don't use BT because > they are are a slightly over priced company, I'm now using Cable& > Wireless. If your telling me that they are allowed to offer free local > calls then why hasn't anyone written to them as they are probably the > second biggest phone company in the UK or at least England at the > moment. They are keeping BT's prices high because otherwise BT would make them really low and kill all competition - they were actually talking about making all national calls free, but Oftel stopped it because it was anti-competetive. C&W used to offer free local calls, but apparantly they stopped because they weren't making enough money. BTW - can you give a short run down on C&W's pricing structure? I want to know if it's worth switching... >> The thing is, the current system is set up for metered calls - ISP's > get >> money off telecos for providing business, take that away and a lot of > ISP's >> would go down the tubes. > > I'd rather see a few isps go down than see my bank balance go down :) Economists, the Government, ISP's and I would disagree. > We pay 'standing charge' each month so that could have a cut to the > isps, they could charge like £20 a month and your local calls are free, > that way phone companys make a reasonable profit and isps can > stay secure, plus the biggest bonus is customers are happy with a > service. Then ISP's find tens of thousands of people staying online 24/7, doing very little, taking up a phone line, and more people=more bandwidth used, meaning they have to invest in more modem racks, more phone lines, and more high speed connections to other ISP's, lest their service go through the floor. ISP's like FreeServ and Free Online immediately die, along with many other marginal ISP's (of which there are many; ISP's don't make a lot of money...), because they are no longer getting money from telecos, and they cannot afford the high cost of upgrading their already stressed network. If a lot of ISP's go down, other ISP's have to invest more, because many of their network links will be peering to these smaller ISP's, further increasing costs and decreasing the quality of service. Alternatively, telecos can charge by the minute, ISP's get their money, people actually hang up and stop eating so much bandwidth, and everyone remains pretty happy. Which do you think is most likely? >> BT only promise speeds of 9,600 bps... >> > BT are still using copper wire phone lines. BT only promise speeds of 9,600 bps - if they provide that, then they have fulfilled their service.... I get connections of 50667, and I'm happy :) Regards Tom -- *AmiSITE: http://surf.to/amisite* A1200T 040@25 603p@166 32MB V90 850MB+2.5GB HD 24X CDRom P200MMX 64MB 4.3GB HD 32X CDRom ICQ:17701673 tom_hurst@geocities.com IRC:"Freaky" -- Money will not buy happiness, but it will let you be unhappy in nice places. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From aMIGA_dUDE@aSSIGN.u-nET.cOM Sun Nov 29 00:51:32 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--727-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sun Nov 29 10:10:19 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sun, 29 Nov 1998 10:10:19 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.135.253] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sun, 29 Nov 1998 10:10:18 0000 Received: (qmail 27642 invoked by alias); 29 Nov 1998 10:09:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 27630 invoked from network); 29 Nov 1998 10:09:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mserv1b.u-net.net) (195.102.240.137) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 1998 10:09:54 -0000 Received: from (p32.nas1.is5.u-net.net) [195.102.200.32] by mserv1b.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zk3kp-00048I-00; Sun, 29 Nov 1998 10:06:59 +0000 From: "Andrew" Organization: Author of ProPassWord , AmiVisual , IRCGamer Date: 28 Nov 98 23:51:32 +0000 X-Face: (_q}6lZ;BQops9`}X~b69)+|*BiJl_ur1MVm@7?1L%b8~r^vjuPaA+*y_KvLLQF.~mMmTO5@)C56oH;@6Zw(D}.-Fw!a+i58GajsiC$/C.!.zW,hx Message-Id: To: just-amiga@onelist.com X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS NC 1.0a Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Subject: [just-amiga] Re: UK FREE INTERNET... From: "Andrew" > Simple, wondering how they make thier money? the helpline is > £1 a minuite, so aslong as you don't phone the helpline its > free internet. Easy, the other share holder of FreeServ is Engises (Which uses the electricity power line across UK land scape for phone calles). You probley call a Engsis number now when log on, Demon use them as well U-Net and most of the other ISP in UK. Yep you guess it , there is money in that small amount when you dail them to log on (30 days re-log on or you off isn't there for no reall reasion) -- -- You find me on #HarryHomers , babylon.beyondirc.net , 6670 Every Saturday after X-Files on Beeb Is your Amiga safe? Or are you already using ProPassWord. -- \\//Amiga\\// Team AMIGA -- 603e+ 233/040 32 Meg, Zip, CD-Rom. Kickstart 3.1, PFS2 PortJnr, Pace56 External Voice. 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Visit http://www.onelist.com/advert.html for more information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From amiga@thefree.net Sun Nov 29 01:01:33 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--739-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 05 00:29:18 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 05 Dec 1998 00:29:18 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.135.229] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 05 Dec 1998 00:29:18 0000 Received: (qmail 22321 invoked by alias); 5 Dec 1998 01:07:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 22183 invoked from network); 5 Dec 1998 01:07:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.thefree.net) (195.34.192.14) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 1998 01:07:13 -0000 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 05 Dec 1998 00:10:11 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from thefree.net [195.34.196.58] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 05 Dec 1998 00:10:10 0000 From: "Chris Seward" To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 01:01:33 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Help (CUT OUT ONELIST TAG) From: "Chris Seward" Malcolm, On 28-Nov-98, you wrote: Can you all please make sure you cut out the following when replying to someones email, its annoying seeing the message then that then your tag then that same onelist advert again. By all means leave the AIO advert in :) >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription >> to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and >> select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm I'm not nagging it just saves on message size and looks neater. Kind Regards. -- Chris Seward Email : amiga@thefree.net Editor of Amiga Information Online Phone : +44 (0)7887 664 915 http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/ Aminet : Docs/Mags/AIOV??.lha Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List: www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga AIO Registered domain 40 UKP/243 UKP [XXXX--------------------] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Help support ONElist, while generating interest in your product or service. 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Visit http://www.onelist.com/advert.html for more information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From ltexas@earthlink.net Sun Nov 29 04:22:25 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--723-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sun Nov 29 03:15:54 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sun, 29 Nov 1998 03:15:54 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.31] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sun, 29 Nov 1998 03:15:54 0000 Received: (qmail 29713 invoked by alias); 29 Nov 1998 03:15:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 29672 invoked from network); 29 Nov 1998 03:15:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.22) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 1998 03:15:38 -0000 Received: from 1Cust236.tnt1.corpus-christi.tx.da.uu.net (1Cust236.tnt1.corpus-christi.tx.da.uu.net [208.254.178.236]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA13263 for ; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 19:15:33 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19981128212225.0079f100@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ltexas@earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 21:22:25 -0600 To: just-amiga@onelist.com From: lLeonard Mensay In-Reply-To: References: Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Help From: lLeonard Mensay >try voyager, ibrowse, aweb..... I have a 3000 stock... the OS is 2.1... what can I use to get on the internet and browse if everything I've come across is either written for AGA or 3.1 machines? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From colstv@hotkey.net.au Sun Nov 29 06:10:30 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--724-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sun Nov 29 05:15:37 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sun, 29 Nov 1998 05:15:37 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.159] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sun, 29 Nov 1998 05:15:36 0000 Received: (qmail 3552 invoked by alias); 29 Nov 1998 05:21:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 3306 invoked from network); 29 Nov 1998 05:21:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au) (203.37.241.194) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 1998 05:21:16 -0000 Received: from hotkey.net.au (maroochydore-as-dial-9.qld.hotkey.net.au [203.37.241.204]) by maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA02897 for ; Sun, 29 Nov 1998 16:15:10 +1100 (EST) From: Colin Wenzel To: lLeonard Mensay Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 15:10:30 +1000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19981128212225.0079f100@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Help From: Colin Wenzel On 29-Nov-98, lLeonard Mensay wrote: >From: lLeonard Mensay >>try voyager, ibrowse, aweb..... > I have a 3000 stock... the OS is 2.1... what can I use to get on the >internet and browse if everything I've come across is either written for >AGA or 3.1 machines? *How about buying a set of 3.1 roms & some software !!!!* -------------------------------------------- Colin Wenzel. Australia. | | Email: colstv@hotkey.net.au | URL: http://www.hotkey.net.au/~colstv/ | ICQ: #17608330 | | 'AMIGA' 4000T With CyberStorm-III 68060/50 | 150Mb RAM. | -------------------------------------------- AMIGA makes it possible ! | -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Help support ONElist, while generating interest in your product or service. ONElist has a variety of advertising packages. Visit http://www.onelist.com/advert.html for more information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From DCWILSON99@aol.com Sun Nov 29 07:55:38 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--726-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sun Nov 29 06:56:18 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sun, 29 Nov 1998 06:56:18 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.135.229] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sun, 29 Nov 1998 06:56:17 0000 Received: (qmail 22811 invoked by alias); 29 Nov 1998 06:51:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 22802 invoked from network); 29 Nov 1998 06:51:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo16.mx.aol.com) (198.81.17.6) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 1998 06:51:44 -0000 Received: from DCWILSON99@aol.com by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 9QOEa27094 for ; Sun, 29 Nov 1998 01:55:38 -0500 (EST) From: DCWILSON99@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 01:55:38 EST To: just-amiga@onelist.com X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 161 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [just-amiga] Re: A step closer to free UK local calls....? From: DCWILSON99@aol.com In a message dated 11/29/98 01:51:55, hotcakes@abacus.net.au writes: >From: Toby Zuijdveld > > > >On 26-Nov-98, Chris Seward set out across the seas with this message: > > > >->and free local weekend calls? America and Japan have had them > >->for years and we have been charged great amounts of money. I have NEVER paid for a local call here in America in my 40 plus years. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From hotcakes@abacus.net.au Sun Nov 29 13:18:49 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--725-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sun Nov 29 06:51:41 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sun, 29 Nov 1998 06:51:41 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.135.229] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sun, 29 Nov 1998 06:51:41 0000 Received: (qmail 19806 invoked by alias); 29 Nov 1998 06:47:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 19602 invoked from network); 29 Nov 1998 06:46:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO a1bbs.abacus.net.au) (203.32.176.30) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 1998 06:46:39 -0000 Received: from [203.32.176.34] by abacus.net.au id 8a6c0.wrk; Sun, 29 Nov 1998 17:19:24 EDT From: Toby Zuijdveld To: Chris Seward Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 17:18:49 +0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Res=A1stance?= Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Subject: [just-amiga] Re: A step closer to free UK local calls....? From: Toby Zuijdveld On 26-Nov-98, Chris Seward set out across the seas with this message: ->and free local weekend calls? America and Japan have had them ->for years and we have been charged great amounts of money. Australia's local calls cost a flat 25c a call =] Just thought you'd not like to know -- *************** *** CAT TAG *** SADDAM SPELLED BACWARDS IS WHAT HE IS! *************** _ _ _ __ _ _ /\_ _ _________\/_________/\___ -- Toby Zuijdveld -- \____ ¬\/. ______ __/ | ) _/\____ \/ \ -EMail : mailto:hotcakes@abacus.net.au- |! | ¬\ \ \\ \\ - HTTP : http://abacus.net.au/hotcakes |___| //_____ //___ // [ Last updated : 17·11·98 ] !___/ \/DTN.\/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Help support ONElist, while generating interest in your product or service. ONElist has a variety of advertising packages. Visit http://www.onelist.com/advert.html for more information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From ck@mystcorp.com Sun Nov 29 20:33:38 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--729-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sun Nov 29 23:09:40 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sun, 29 Nov 1998 23:09:40 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.135.229] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sun, 29 Nov 1998 23:09:39 0000 Received: (qmail 4171 invoked by alias); 29 Nov 1998 23:04:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 4084 invoked from network); 29 Nov 1998 23:04:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mserv1b.u-net.net) (195.102.240.137) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 1998 23:04:37 -0000 Received: from (mystcorp.u-net.com) [194.119.133.253] by mserv1b.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zkFtS-0000ZD-00; Sun, 29 Nov 1998 23:04:42 +0000 From: Conor Kerr To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 19:33:38 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0Preview6 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Mystique Corporation International Ltd. Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: A step closer to free UK local calls....? From: Conor Kerr Hi Thomas, > Alternatively, telecos can charge by the minute, ISP's get their money, > people actually hang up and stop eating so much bandwidth, and everyone > remains pretty happy. Except that they're not all happy. The current system sucks, if the average Joe would just take a look round them and see the possibilities we'd have fibre-optic cables running into every home within a year. Think of it, no bandwidth problems, you could download aminet in just a few hours, you could REALLY use digital TV in the way it was meant to be used, video-phones would actually become incredibly useful, you could collaborate on projects with people from the other side of the globe (you can already, to a reasonable extent, but there's so much more that could be done) etc. etc. What has this got to do with phones? Simple, this is what the telecos would be extending their services to if they got the chance, but too many people are bored by technology for this to happen anytime soon, it takes years for things to filter through people's closed-minded brains. :( (All this technology is old news now). Ah, well... gues I'll just have to win the lottery and buy a satellite or summat... alternatively, anyone know the address of a badly guarded bank? :) All the best... *Conor Kerr* MD, Mystique Corporation International Ltd. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From scubidu@netcomuk.co.uk Sun Nov 29 23:52:08 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--730-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sun Nov 29 23:58:51 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sun, 29 Nov 1998 23:58:51 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.13] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sun, 29 Nov 1998 23:58:51 0000 Received: (qmail 7044 invoked by alias); 30 Nov 1998 00:02:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 7010 invoked from network); 30 Nov 1998 00:01:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO avalon.netcom.net.uk) (194.42.225.7) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 1998 00:01:58 -0000 Received: from dialup-12-47.netcomuk.co.uk (nobody@dialup-12-47.netcomuk.co.uk [194.42.231.47]) by avalon.netcom.net.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA19851 for ; Sun, 29 Nov 1998 23:58:35 GMT From: "SCUBIDU" Organization: Private User Date: 29 Nov 98 23:52:08 +0100 Message-Id: <3661DE28.MD-0.196.scubidu@netcomuk.co.uk> To: just-amiga@onelist.com X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS 0.196 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [just-amiga] "OPERA" BROWSER ????? From: "SCUBIDU" Has anyone heard any news, relating to the new browser called "Opera"??? Last I heard was it was due this month, and, to be honest the three browsers on the Amiga just don't " cut the mustard" no more, and it's more a pain in the asre, than a pleasure, to surf the web lately Scubidu -- LIFE'S A BEACH, THEN YOU DIVE ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Help support ONElist, while generating interest in your product or service. ONElist has a variety of advertising packages. Visit http://www.onelist.com/advert.html for more information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From malky@nobleone.u-net.com Mon Nov 30 10:07:48 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--734-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Mon Nov 30 09:18:33 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Mon, 30 Nov 1998 09:18:33 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.135.253] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Mon, 30 Nov 1998 09:18:32 0000 Received: (qmail 29653 invoked by alias); 30 Nov 1998 09:18:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 29583 invoked from network); 30 Nov 1998 09:18:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO serv1.is1.u-net.net) (195.102.240.129) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 1998 09:18:01 -0000 Received: from [195.102.196.208] (helo=p80.nas2.is3.u-net.net) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for just-amiga@onelist.com id 0zkQNe-0003MQ-00; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 10:16:34 +0000 From: "Malcolm Harnden" Organization: A4000 040/40Mhz PPC200Mhz CVPPC User Date: 30 Nov 98 09:07:48 +0000 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3661DE28.MD-0.196.scubidu@netcomuk.co.uk> To: just-amiga@onelist.com X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS NC 1.0a Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [just-amiga] Re: "OPERA" BROWSER ????? From: "Malcolm Harnden" 29 Nov 98 23:52:08 +0100 [just-amiga] "OPERA" BROWSER ????? Hi SCUBIDU My modest reply to your.... --------------------------- > From: "SCUBIDU" > > Has anyone heard any news, relating to the new browser > called "Opera"??? > Last I heard was it was due this month, and, to be honest > the three browsers on the Amiga just don't " cut the mustard" > no more, and it's more a pain in the asre, than a pleasure, to > surf the web lately try http://www.ramjam.u-net.com I think therfore I cock up.???? I may have the url wrong, no time to check but you get the general Idea. Windows 95: 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Malcolm Harnden *PPC* software support will be met with *MONEY* from the _PPC_ user named below. 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Visit http://www.onelist.com/advert.html for more information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From tim@ramjam.u-net.com Mon Nov 30 10:16:28 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--732-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Mon Nov 30 09:16:47 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Mon, 30 Nov 1998 09:16:47 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.31] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Mon, 30 Nov 1998 09:16:47 0000 Received: (qmail 14038 invoked by alias); 30 Nov 1998 09:16:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 14029 invoked from network); 30 Nov 1998 09:16:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mserv1b.u-net.net) (195.102.240.137) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 1998 09:16:33 -0000 Received: from ramjam.u-net.com [194.119.178.106] by mserv1b.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zkPOO-0000a6-00; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 09:13:16 +0000 From: tim@ramjam.u-net.com (Tim Corringham) X-SMTP-Client: Amiga SMTPclient 0.1 by Ramjam Consultants Ltd. Date: Mon, 30 Nov 98 09:16:28 To: just-amiga@onelist.com In-Reply-To: (from just-amiga@onelist.com) (on Sun, 29 Nov 98 19:33:38) Lines: 26 X-Mailer: ADMail 1.7 Copyright 1995 S.T.Brown Message-Id: Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [just-amiga] Re: A step closer to free UK local calls....? From: tim@ramjam.u-net.com (Tim Corringham) Hi Conor > The current system sucks, if the average Joe would just take a look round > them and see the possibilities we'd have fibre-optic cables running into > every home within a year. The telco's do have a problem with fast-changing technology. Most telco equipment is spec'ed to have a 50 year life. There's $billions invested in exchange equipment and cables - replacing it all with newer stuff before its planned lifetime is up ruins their business plans... [...] > Ah, well... gues I'll just have to win the lottery and buy a satellite or > summat... alternatively, anyone know the address of a badly guarded bank? > :) I used to have a friend who's father was the manager of a bank with a thatched roof - that presented fairly unique security problems ;-) Tim -- ====================================================================== Tim Corringham e-mail: tim@ramjam.u-net.com Ramjam Consultants Ltd tel: +44 (0)118 946 5940 Reading, England fax: +44 (0)118 946 5941 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From tim@ramjam.u-net.com Mon Nov 30 10:16:31 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--733-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Mon Nov 30 09:16:50 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Mon, 30 Nov 1998 09:16:50 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.31] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Mon, 30 Nov 1998 09:16:49 0000 Received: (qmail 14162 invoked by alias); 30 Nov 1998 09:16:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 14037 invoked from network); 30 Nov 1998 09:16:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mserv1b.u-net.net) (195.102.240.137) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 1998 09:16:36 -0000 Received: from ramjam.u-net.com [194.119.178.106] by mserv1b.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zkPOR-0000aJ-00; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 09:13:19 +0000 From: tim@ramjam.u-net.com (Tim Corringham) X-SMTP-Client: Amiga SMTPclient 0.1 by Ramjam Consultants Ltd. Date: Mon, 30 Nov 98 09:16:31 To: just-amiga@onelist.com In-Reply-To: <3661DE28.MD-0.196.scubidu@netcomuk.co.uk> (from just-amiga@onelist.com) (on Sun, 29 Nov 98 23:52:08) Lines: 27 X-Mailer: ADMail 1.7 Copyright 1995 S.T.Brown Message-Id: Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [just-amiga] Re: "OPERA" BROWSER ????? From: tim@ramjam.u-net.com (Tim Corringham) Hi Scubidu > From: "SCUBIDU" > > Has anyone heard any news, relating to the new browser > called "Opera"??? There should be an announcement on the Opera Software site in the next day or so. > Last I heard was it was due this month, and, to be honest > the three browsers on the Amiga just don't " cut the mustard" > no more, and it's more a pain in the asre, than a pleasure, to > surf the web lately > The last you heard was rather a long time ago then ;-) Work was put on hold a couple of months ago, due to the poor state of the Amiga market. Tim -- ====================================================================== Tim Corringham e-mail: tim@ramjam.u-net.com Ramjam Consultants Ltd tel: +44 (0)118 946 5940 Reading, England fax: +44 (0)118 946 5941 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Help support ONElist, while generating interest in your product or service. ONElist has a variety of advertising packages. Visit http://www.onelist.com/advert.html for more information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From scubidu@netcomuk.co.uk Mon Nov 30 11:27:48 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--735-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Mon Nov 30 11:36:15 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Mon, 30 Nov 1998 11:36:15 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.135.253] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Mon, 30 Nov 1998 11:36:15 0000 Received: (qmail 24345 invoked by alias); 30 Nov 1998 11:34:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 23976 invoked from network); 30 Nov 1998 11:34:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO camelot.netcom.net.uk) (194.42.225.1) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 1998 11:34:30 -0000 Received: from dialup-13-41.netcomuk.co.uk (nobody@dialup-13-41.netcomuk.co.uk [194.42.231.105]) by camelot.netcom.net.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA08582 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 11:34:41 GMT From: "SCUBIDU" Organization: Private User Date: 30 Nov 98 11:27:48 +0100 Message-Id: <36628134.MD-0.196.scubidu@netcomuk.co.uk> In-Reply-To: To: just-amiga@onelist.com X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS 0.196 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [just-amiga] Re: "OPERA" BROWSER ????? From: "SCUBIDU" > From: tim@ramjam.u-net.com (Tim Corringham) > > Hi Scubidu > > > From: "SCUBIDU" > > > > Has anyone heard any news, relating to the new browser > > called "Opera"??? > > There should be an announcement on the Opera Software site in > the next day or so. Can't wait !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Last I heard was it was due this month, and, to be honest > > the three browsers on the Amiga just don't " cut the mustard" > > no more, and it's more a pain in the asre, than a pleasure, to > > surf the web lately > > > The last you heard was rather a long time ago then ;-) About six months > > Work was put on hold a couple of months ago, due to the poor > state of the Amiga market. The state of the Amiga market, I feel, can be put down to one thing, and one thing only ------ THE INTERNET !!!!!!!!!!!! Let Me explain :- How many of us got "Webbed up", only to find ourselves in a silent world, downloading stuff that can't be used, or run on our beloved machines ---- Rm, and Ra files, the newer Avi codecs to name a few. I have some Mpeg video files that I d/loaded a while back, that, when I try to play, open a window that says "this is not an mpg video stream" when it obviously *IS* (it played O.K. on the PC at work) We have been left behind for too long --- hopefuly, Opera will go some way to re - dress this imbalance (From what I've just read about it, albeit in a PC mag. It has "The Gates of hell" and Netscape "shotting" themselves --- Opera's that good !!! Well worth a fiver, or maybe /even/ a Tenner!!!!!!! :-) Scubidu -- LIFE'S A BEACH, THEN YOU DIVE ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From hotcakes@abacus.net.au Mon Nov 30 11:59:11 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--731-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Mon Nov 30 05:32:30 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Mon, 30 Nov 1998 05:32:30 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.135.229] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Mon, 30 Nov 1998 05:32:30 0000 Received: (qmail 20429 invoked by alias); 30 Nov 1998 05:26:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 20173 invoked from network); 30 Nov 1998 05:25:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO a1bbs.abacus.net.au) (203.32.176.30) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 1998 05:25:40 -0000 Received: from [203.32.176.37] by abacus.net.au id 7f790.wrk; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 15:59:54 EDT From: Toby Zuijdveld To: Conor Kerr Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 15:59:11 +0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Res=A1stance?= Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Subject: [just-amiga] Re: A step closer to free UK local calls....? From: Toby Zuijdveld On 30-Nov-98, Conor Kerr set out across the seas with this message: ->alternatively, anyone know the address of a badly guarded bank? Oh, don't do that, you might get arrested =] -- *************** *** CAT TAG *** IF code_works THEN don't_fix_it END IF *************** _ _ _ __ _ _ /\_ _ _________\/_________/\___ -- Toby Zuijdveld -- \____ ¬\/. ______ __/ | ) _/\____ \/ \ -EMail : mailto:hotcakes@abacus.net.au- |! | ¬\ \ \\ \\ - HTTP : http://abacus.net.au/hotcakes |___| //_____ //___ // [ Last updated : 17·11·98 ] !___/ \/DTN.\/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Help support ONElist, while generating interest in your product or service. ONElist has a variety of advertising packages. Visit http://www.onelist.com/advert.html for more information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From tim@ramjam.u-net.com Mon Nov 30 14:06:40 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--736-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Mon Nov 30 13:07:12 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Mon, 30 Nov 1998 13:07:12 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.13] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Mon, 30 Nov 1998 13:07:11 0000 Received: (qmail 32554 invoked by alias); 30 Nov 1998 13:10:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 32454 invoked from network); 30 Nov 1998 13:10:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mserv1a.u-net.net) (195.102.240.34) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 1998 13:10:15 -0000 Received: from ramjam.u-net.com [194.119.178.106] by mserv1a.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zkT2T-0002KI-00; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 13:06:53 +0000 From: tim@ramjam.u-net.com (Tim Corringham) X-SMTP-Client: Amiga SMTPclient 0.1 by Ramjam Consultants Ltd. Date: Mon, 30 Nov 98 13:06:40 To: just-amiga@onelist.com In-Reply-To: <36628134.MD-0.196.scubidu@netcomuk.co.uk> (from just-amiga@onelist.com) (on Mon, 30 Nov 98 11:27:48) Lines: 41 X-Mailer: ADMail 1.7 Copyright 1995 S.T.Brown Message-Id: Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [just-amiga] Re: "OPERA" BROWSER ????? From: tim@ramjam.u-net.com (Tim Corringham) Hi Scubidu > > > Has anyone heard any news, relating to the new browser > > > called "Opera"??? > > > > There should be an announcement on the Opera Software site in > > the next day or so. > > Can't wait !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry, I don't think it will be announcement you're expecting :-( > > > > Work was put on hold a couple of months ago, due to the poor > > state of the Amiga market. > > The state of the Amiga market, I feel, can be put down to one thing, > and one thing only ------ THE INTERNET !!!!!!!!!!!! > > > Let Me explain :- > How many of us got "Webbed up", only to find ourselves in a silent > world, downloading stuff that can't be used, or run on our beloved > machines ---- Rm, and Ra files, the newer Avi codecs to name a few. > I have some Mpeg video files that I d/loaded a while back, that, when > I try to play, open a window that says "this is not an mpg video > stream" when it obviously *IS* (it played O.K. on the PC at work) > We have been left behind for too long --- hopefuly, Opera will go some > way to re - dress this imbalance (From what I've just read about it, > albeit in a PC mag. It has "The Gates of hell" and Netscape "shotting" > themselves --- Opera's that good !!! Well worth a fiver, or maybe > /even/ a Tenner!!!!!!! :-) > I'm afraid Amiga Opera won't redress the balance at all :-( Tim -- ====================================================================== Tim Corringham e-mail: tim@ramjam.u-net.com Ramjam Consultants Ltd tel: +44 (0)118 946 5940 Reading, England fax: +44 (0)118 946 5941 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Help support ONElist, while generating interest in your product or service. ONElist has a variety of advertising packages. Visit http://www.onelist.com/advert.html for more information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From tom.hurst@clara.net Mon Nov 30 19:14:32 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--737-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Mon Nov 30 18:32:31 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Mon, 30 Nov 1998 18:32:31 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.135.253] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Mon, 30 Nov 1998 18:32:31 0000 Received: (qmail 26025 invoked by alias); 30 Nov 1998 18:31:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 25981 invoked from network); 30 Nov 1998 18:31:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO remus.clara.net) (195.8.69.79) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 1998 18:31:54 -0000 Received: from clara.net (Tom@du-026-0402.claranet.co.uk [195.8.90.148]) by remus.clara.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA18406 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 18:32:05 GMT (envelope-from tom.hurst@clara.net) From: Thomas Hurst To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 18:14:32 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: AmiSITE -> http://surf.to/amisite <- AmiSITE Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: A step closer to free UK local calls....? From: Thomas Hurst Hi! On 29-Nov-98, Conor Kerr wrote: > Hi Thomas, > >> Alternatively, telecos can charge by the minute, ISP's get their money, >> people actually hang up and stop eating so much bandwidth, and everyone >> remains pretty happy. > > Except that they're not all happy. Least of all me, with my phone bill that exceeds my income :( > The current system sucks, if the average Joe would just take a look round > them and see the possibilities we'd have fibre-optic cables running into > every home within a year. Exactly - the solution isn't to complain about how expensive the phone system is (even if it is...), but to just stop using phone lines for a purpurse they were never designed for... > Think of it, no bandwidth problems, you could download aminet in just a few > hours, you could REALLY use digital TV in the way it was meant to be used, > video-phones would actually become incredibly useful, you could collaborate > on projects with people from the other side of the globe (you can already, > to a reasonable extent, but there's so much more that could be done) etc. > etc. Think of it; all the bandwidth problems of downloading all of Aminet - it's bad enough when everyone has 4K/sec, once everyone has 250k/sec, well... Of course, outlawing spam would get rid of this problem ;) >Ah, well... gues I'll just have to win the lottery and buy a satellite or >summat... alternatively, anyone know the address of a badly guarded bank? > :) Well, if you do, save some money for me, I'm seriously running short :((( Regards Tom -- *AmiSITE: http://surf.to/amisite* A1200T 040@25 603p@166 32MB V90 850MB+2.5GB HD 24X CDRom P200MMX 64MB 4.3GB HD 32X CDRom ICQ:17701673 tom_hurst@geocities.com IRC:"Freaky" -- My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Help support ONElist, while generating interest in your product or service. ONElist has a variety of advertising packages. Visit http://www.onelist.com/advert.html for more information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From colstv@hotkey.net.au Tue Dec 01 03:15:59 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--738-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Tue Dec 01 02:51:48 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Tue, 01 Dec 1998 02:51:48 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.135.229] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Tue, 01 Dec 1998 02:51:48 0000 Received: (qmail 14140 invoked by alias); 1 Dec 1998 02:18:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 14011 invoked from network); 1 Dec 1998 02:18:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au) (203.37.241.194) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 1998 02:18:04 -0000 Received: from hotkey.net.au (maroochydore-as-dial-4.qld.hotkey.net.au [203.37.241.199]) by maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA08252; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:21:55 +1100 (EST) From: Colin Wenzel To: teamamiga@thule.no, just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 12:15:59 +1000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] DKB 3128 Memory board. From: Colin Wenzel Does anyone have a DKB 3128 memory board that they want to sell, I have an A4000 desktop that is crying out for more memory. I have tried everywhere for one, but they are as rare as duck teeth. The only one I found, they wanted $250 US, $400 AUD for it. With 'No' memory..... If anyone has one that they would sell for a 'reasonable' price, could you please email me privately.... Or if anyone knows how to just add another 64 megs of memory to an A4000 desktop, by any other method, please let me know. Thanks for your time.... -------------------------------------------- Colin Wenzel. 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Visit http://www.onelist.com/advert.html for more information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From amiga@thefree.net Wed Dec 02 15:22:14 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--740-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 05 00:30:18 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 05 Dec 1998 00:30:18 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.135.229] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 05 Dec 1998 00:30:17 0000 Received: (qmail 23616 invoked by alias); 5 Dec 1998 01:08:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 23129 invoked from network); 5 Dec 1998 01:07:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.thefree.net) (195.34.192.14) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 1998 01:07:41 -0000 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 05 Dec 1998 00:10:31 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from thefree.net [195.34.196.58] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 05 Dec 1998 00:10:30 0000 From: "Chris Seward" To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 15:22:14 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Subject: [just-amiga] Only =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A340?= to go. From: "Chris Seward" Dear All! We are now just £40 off the target to get the aio registered domain at www.aio.co.uk Please if you can help, you stand the chance of winning £84 worth of software and I am only raising £80. You can win :- Professional File System 2 Aga Experience 3 CD Registered copy of CheatZone V1.4.3 TechnoDataBase98 CD Uropa 2 CD If you have that cheque waiting or have some spare money laying around then please send it to :- Chris Seward, 10 Scafell Close, Eastham, Wirral, Merseyside, L62 9EU. ENGLAND. Kind Regards! -- Chris Seward Email : amiga@thefree.net Editor of Amiga Information Online Phone : +44 (0)7887 664 915 http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/ Aminet : Docs/Mags/AIOV??.lha Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List: www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga AIO Registered domain 40 UKP/80 UKP [XXXX----] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Help support ONElist, while generating interest in your product or service. 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Visit http://www.onelist.com/advert.html for more information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From amiga@thefree.net Wed Dec 02 20:14:27 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--741-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 05 00:30:56 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 05 Dec 1998 00:30:56 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.135.229] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 05 Dec 1998 00:30:56 0000 Received: (qmail 24664 invoked by alias); 5 Dec 1998 01:08:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 24227 invoked from network); 5 Dec 1998 01:08:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.thefree.net) (195.34.192.14) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 1998 01:08:20 -0000 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 05 Dec 1998 00:10:37 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from thefree.net [195.34.196.58] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 05 Dec 1998 00:10:36 0000 From: "Chris Seward" To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 20:14:27 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Its official, AIO 19 will see new GUI From: "Chris Seward" Its official, issue 19 of Amiga Information Online will bring the new GUI, no more boring amigaguide, but a great new specially coded GUI for AIO. We can now include pictures, music and a whole host of other bits all built in. The program supports AHI for great music and is WB friendly, in fact it runs in a WB window on the actual WB. If you haven't already seen the screenshot visit Aminet:Docs/Anno/AIOgui.lha for an early preview. Don't miss it, comming :- *19th December 1999* Kind Regards! -- Chris Seward Email : amiga@thefree.net Editor of Amiga Information Online Phone : +44 (0)7887 664 915 http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/ Aminet : Docs/Mags/AIOV??.lha Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List: www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga AIO Registered domain 40 UKP/80 UKP [XXXX----] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Help support ONElist, while generating interest in your product or service. ONElist has a variety of advertising packages. Visit http://www.onelist.com/advert.html for more information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From aMIGA_dUDE@aSSIGN.u-nET.cOM Sat Dec 05 09:37:02 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--746-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 05 22:19:29 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 05 Dec 1998 22:19:29 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.31] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 05 Dec 1998 22:19:25 0000 Received: (qmail 12849 invoked by alias); 5 Dec 1998 22:19:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 12724 invoked from network); 5 Dec 1998 22:19:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mserv1a.u-net.net) (195.102.240.34) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 1998 22:19:23 -0000 Received: from (p3.nas1.is5.u-net.net) [195.102.200.3] by mserv1a.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zmQ2r-0005Ya-00; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 22:19:23 +0000 From: "Andrew" Organization: Author of ProPassWord , AmiVisual , IRCGamer Date: 5 Dec 98 08:37:02 +0000 X-Face: (_q}6lZ;BQops9`}X~b69)+|*BiJl_ur1MVm@7?1L%b8~r^vjuPaA+*y_KvLLQF.~mMmTO5@)C56oH;@6Zw(D}.-Fw!a+i58GajsiC$/C.!.zW,hx Message-Id: In-Reply-To: To: just-amiga@onelist.com X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS NC 1.0a Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Subject: [just-amiga] Re: A step closer to free UK local calls....? From: "Andrew" On the Sat, 28 Nov 1998 23:24:11 +0000, Thomas Hurst wrote something down> From: Thomas Hurst > > We pay 'standing charge' each month so that could have a cut to the > > isps, they could charge like £20 a month and your local calls are free, > > that way phone companys make a reasonable profit and isps can > > stay secure, plus the biggest bonus is customers are happy with a > > service. > > Then ISP's find tens of thousands of people staying online 24/7, doing very > little, taking up a phone line, and more people=more bandwidth used, meaning > they have to invest in more modem racks, more phone lines, and more high > speed connections to other ISP's, lest their service go through the floor ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Help support ONElist, while generating interest in your product or service. ONElist has a variety of advertising packages. Visit http://www.onelist.com/advert.html for more information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From amiga@thefree.net Sat Dec 05 13:21:45 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--743-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 05 19:28:32 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 05 Dec 1998 19:28:32 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.13] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 05 Dec 1998 19:28:13 0000 Received: (qmail 9117 invoked by alias); 5 Dec 1998 19:31:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 8717 invoked from network); 5 Dec 1998 19:31:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.thefree.net) (195.34.192.14) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 1998 19:31:31 -0000 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 05 Dec 1998 19:27:56 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from thefree.net [195.34.195.231] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 05 Dec 1998 19:27:54 0000 From: "Chris Seward" To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 13:21:45 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Subject: [just-amiga] Re: A step closer to free UK local calls....? From: "Chris Seward" Thomas, > > They are keeping BT's prices high because otherwise BT would make them > really low and kill all competition - they were actually talking about > making all national calls free, but Oftel stopped it because it was > anti-competetive. I seriously doubt this, BT prices have been high from the start and the point that BT want to charge low calls really doesn't wash with me, I mean have you seen their adverts, "come back to BT for 9.99" they are obviously running scared and now they EXPECT you to pay to come back?! whoever thought that idea up must be a dollymixture short of a quarter. > > C&W used to offer free local calls, but apparantly they stopped because they > weren't making enough money. That was when they first started out and the whole country didn't have access to them, now I think it would be more possible. > > BTW - can you give a short run down on C&W's pricing structure? I want to > know if it's worth switching... Well the calls are all cheaper than BT's by about 1p depending on what type of call it is, local calls are just under 1p I think, and until december you can call all staurday for 50p long distance, this has been put forwards every 3 months so its likely to be extended again. All you do is call your internets provider long distance number and stay on all saturday. > Economists, the Government, ISP's and I would disagree. > Maybe, but I am sure I would like free calls, if America can do it why can't we? as someone said in the other email in australia they have to pay for 1 call as long as they want. Something similar wouldn't go amiss. > Then ISP's find tens of thousands of people staying online 24/7, doing very > little, taking up a phone line, and more people=more bandwidth used, meaning > they have to invest in more modem racks, more phone lines, and more high > speed connections to other ISP's, lest their service go through the floor. Not exactly, just free evening local calls and weekend not daytime, everyone would be happy. £10 a month what most ISP's charge is quite a big sum also, I can't honestly see the world ending just because we get some free local calls. > Alternatively, telecos can charge by the minute, ISP's get their money, > people actually hang up and stop eating so much bandwidth, and everyone > remains pretty happy. People don't really remain happy to be honest, I'm not really sure where you have been living for the past 20 years but i'm sure alot of people would like to see free local phone calls. The internet is meant to be a place you can do what you want and find what you want, not checking the clock every second to see if your over your limit or can't afford anymore. If ISDN and other methods where implanted then we could all get fast connections, its really up to the phone companys no matter what they say. Matter closed :) Kind Regards! -- Chris Seward Email : amiga@thefree.net Editor of Amiga Information Online Phone : +44 (0)7887 664 915 http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/ Aminet : Docs/Mags/AIOV??.lha Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List: www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga AIO Registered domain 40 UKP/80 UKP [XXXX----] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From amiga@thefree.net Sat Dec 05 13:25:23 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--742-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 05 19:28:10 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 05 Dec 1998 19:28:10 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.13] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 05 Dec 1998 19:28:05 0000 Received: (qmail 8796 invoked by alias); 5 Dec 1998 19:31:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 8747 invoked from network); 5 Dec 1998 19:31:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.thefree.net) (195.34.192.14) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 1998 19:31:33 -0000 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 05 Dec 1998 19:27:58 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from thefree.net [195.34.195.231] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 05 Dec 1998 19:27:57 0000 From: "Chris Seward" To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 13:25:23 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: A step closer to free UK local calls....? From: "Chris Seward" On 29-Nov-98, you wrote: > Australia's local calls cost a flat 25c a call =] > Grrr and Grrr some more. Saddam spelt backwards, MadDas??? what!? Regards! -- Chris Seward Email : amiga@thefree.net Editor of Amiga Information Online Phone : +44 (0)7887 664 915 http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/ Aminet : Docs/Mags/AIOV??.lha Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List: www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga AIO Registered domain 40 UKP/80 UKP [XXXX----] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From amiga@thefree.net Sat Dec 05 15:05:50 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--744-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 05 19:29:00 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 05 Dec 1998 19:29:00 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.13] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 05 Dec 1998 19:28:54 0000 Received: (qmail 9658 invoked by alias); 5 Dec 1998 19:32:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 9580 invoked from network); 5 Dec 1998 19:32:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.thefree.net) (195.34.192.14) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 1998 19:32:19 -0000 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 05 Dec 1998 19:28:19 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from thefree.net [195.34.195.231] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 05 Dec 1998 19:28:17 0000 From: "Chris Seward" To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 15:05:50 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] 5 GREAT CHRISTMAS COMPETITIONS From: "Chris Seward" If you didn't already know AIO has five great christmas competitions that are free for all to enter, they are :- 2 Copies of Quake to give away Vulcan Goodies (Final Odessey, Uropa2 and Vulcanology) Max Rally to give away IDEfix to give away 2 Copies of Space Station 3000 to give away. If you are interested in entering those competitions visit :- *http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/* and download issue 18, all details are found inside. Kind Regards! -- Chris Seward Email : amiga@thefree.net Editor of Amiga Information Online Phone : +44 (0)7887 664 915 http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/ Aminet : Docs/Mags/AIOV??.lha Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List: www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga AIO Registered domain 40 UKP/80 UKP [XXXX----] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From lairfight@softhome.net Sat Dec 05 21:14:38 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--745-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 05 20:16:11 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 05 Dec 1998 20:16:11 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.13] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 05 Dec 1998 20:16:10 0000 Received: (qmail 16362 invoked by alias); 5 Dec 1998 20:19:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 16351 invoked from network); 5 Dec 1998 20:19:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO softhome.net) (204.144.231.41) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 1998 20:19:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 17960 invoked by uid 417); 5 Dec 1998 20:32:50 -0000 Received: from t1o68p4.telia.com (HELO softhome.net) (62.20.138.4) by smtp.softhome.net with SMTP; 5 Dec 1998 20:32:50 -0000 From: Linus Akesson To: Chris Seward Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 21:14:38 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: A step closer to free UK local calls....? From: Linus Akesson On 05-Dec-98, Chris Seward wrote: >Saddam spelt backwards, MadDas??? what!? More like madd-as (read: mad-ass). Linus .- Linus Akesson `--- lairfight@softhome.net -+- http://fly.to/linus.world --- aMiG!A ruleZ - Top Ten Actual Country Song Titles: #7. You're The Reason Our Kids Are So Ugly. -------------> MrCookie v1.1 <------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From amiga@thefree.net Sun Dec 06 00:05:15 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--747-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sun Dec 06 00:09:01 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sun, 06 Dec 1998 00:09:01 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.13] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sun, 06 Dec 1998 00:09:00 0000 Received: (qmail 31039 invoked by alias); 6 Dec 1998 00:12:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 31034 invoked from network); 6 Dec 1998 00:12:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.thefree.net) (195.34.192.14) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 1998 00:12:28 -0000 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sun, 06 Dec 1998 00:08:45 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from thefree.net [195.34.197.67] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sun, 06 Dec 1998 00:08:44 0000 From: "Chris Seward" To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 00:05:15 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: A step closer to free UK local calls....? From: "Chris Seward" On 05-Dec-98, you wrote: > More like madd-as (read: mad-ass). Ok. ahh i get it :) its not my fault i'm a dumbass :))) -- Chris Seward Email : amiga@thefree.net Editor of Amiga Information Online Phone : +44 (0)7887 664 915 http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/ Aminet : Docs/Mags/AIOV??.lha Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List: www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga AIO Registered domain 40 UKP/80 UKP [XXXX----] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From tim@ramjam.u-net.com Sun Dec 06 01:32:07 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--748-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sun Dec 06 00:32:25 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sun, 06 Dec 1998 00:32:25 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.31] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sun, 06 Dec 1998 00:32:24 0000 Received: (qmail 30209 invoked by alias); 6 Dec 1998 00:32:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 30174 invoked from network); 6 Dec 1998 00:32:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mserv1a.u-net.net) (195.102.240.34) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 1998 00:32:23 -0000 Received: from ramjam.u-net.com [194.119.178.106] by mserv1a.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zmS7a-00023e-00; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 00:32:22 +0000 From: tim@ramjam.u-net.com (Tim Corringham) X-SMTP-Client: Amiga SMTPclient 0.1 by Ramjam Consultants Ltd. Date: Sun, 06 Dec 98 00:32:07 To: just-amiga@onelist.com In-Reply-To: (from just-amiga@onelist.com) (on Sat, 05 Dec 98 13:21:45) Lines: 71 X-Mailer: ADMail 1.7 Copyright 1995 S.T.Brown Message-Id: Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [just-amiga] Re: A step closer to free UK local calls....? From: tim@ramjam.u-net.com (Tim Corringham) Greetings, Chris. > Maybe, but I am sure I would like free calls, if America can do it > why can't we? as someone said in the other email in australia they > have to pay for 1 call as long as they want. Something similar wouldn't > go amiss. I dont know how many people know the reason that America doesn't charge for local calls - so here's an explanation (simplified a bit)... Once upon a time, telephone changes used electromechanical switches. These were expensive to build. The charging circuits were also electromechanical, and expensive to build and to read (needed a man with a clipboard). While the British and other European state owned phone companies paid for these on local exchanges (it wasn't their money they were spending after all) the American phone companies (i.e. Bell) decided it wasn't economic for local calls, and the charging circuits would only be fitted to trunk exchanges (i.e. for long distance calls). Of course, times change. The exchanges are now electronic, and the charging is calculated by computer. There is no difference in the calculations between types of calls. The American companies (now Bell is split up) would love to introduce local charges (they do charge for them in the form of line rental). > > Alternatively, telecos can charge by the minute, ISP's get their money, > > people actually hang up and stop eating so much bandwidth, and everyone > > remains pretty happy. > > People don't really remain happy to be honest, I'm not really > sure where you have been living for the past 20 years but i'm > sure alot of people would like to see free local phone calls. The > internet is meant to be a place you can do what you want and > find what you want, not checking the clock every second to see if > your over your limit or can't afford anymore. In the UK data calls (i.e. calls to ISPs) have overtaken voice calls. Few people would use a voice circuit for hours at a time, but lots of people would use a data circuit for as long as it is free (or capped). Not even BT can afford to offer free calls (if local calls to ISPs were free, most people would use Internet Phones for long distance voice calls, and BT wouldn't earn a penny). If you use the various discount schemes, it is possible to get the weekend charges down to under 50p an hour. Once the price dropped to less than the cost of the can of beer I drink while I'm on-line I stopped worrying about the cost of calls. > > If ISDN and other methods where implanted then we could all > get fast connections, its really up to the phone companys no > matter what they say. ISDN in the UK is too expensive (I have an ISDN line, and I have no problem with the cost of calls, but the line rental is too high). Personally I'd prefer a system where there was no line rental, but charges for all calls. People who don't use their phone much wouldn't pay much, people who use their phone a lot would. Seems fairer to me. > > Matter closed :) Whoops :-/ Tim -- ====================================================================== Tim Corringham e-mail: tim@ramjam.u-net.com Ramjam Consultants Ltd tel: +44 (0)118 946 5940 Reading, England fax: +44 (0)118 946 5941 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Help support ONElist, while generating interest in your product or service. ONElist has a variety of advertising packages. Visit http://www.onelist.com/advert.html for more information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From tom.hurst@clara.net Sun Dec 06 13:35:08 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--754-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sun Dec 06 15:39:07 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sun, 06 Dec 1998 15:39:07 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.31] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sun, 06 Dec 1998 15:39:02 0000 Received: (qmail 31263 invoked by alias); 6 Dec 1998 15:39:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 31242 invoked from network); 6 Dec 1998 15:39:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO remus.clara.net) (195.8.69.79) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 1998 15:39:01 -0000 Received: from clara.net (Tom@du-028-0067.claranet.co.uk [195.8.86.67]) by remus.clara.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA27385 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 15:38:47 GMT (envelope-from tom.hurst@clara.net) From: Thomas Hurst To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 12:35:08 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: AmiSITE -> http://surf.to/amisite <- AmiSITE Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [just-amiga] Re: A step closer to free UK local calls....? From: Thomas Hurst Hi! On 05-Dec-98, Chris Seward wrote: > Thomas, >> BTW - can you give a short run down on C&W's pricing structure? I want > to >> know if it's worth switching... > > Well the calls are all cheaper than BT's by about 1p depending on > what type of call it is, local calls are just under 1p I think, and until > december you can call all staurday for 50p long distance, this has > been put forwards every 3 months so its likely to be extended > again. All you do is call your internets provider long distance number > and stay on all saturday. Where can I find more details? Their web site is useless. >> Then ISP's find tens of thousands of people staying online 24/7, doing > very >> little, taking up a phone line, and more people=more bandwidth used, > meaning >> they have to invest in more modem racks, more phone lines, and more > high >> speed connections to other ISP's, lest their service go through the > floor. > > Not exactly, just free evening local calls and weekend not daytime, > everyone > would be happy. £10 a month what most ISP's charge is quite a big sum > also, > I can't honestly see the world ending just because we get some free local > calls. ISP's work on tiny margins - £10 a month isn't much for getting 20MB of web space, using expensive high bandwidth lines. Without kickbacks from telecos many marginal ISP's would go down the tubes and the rest would charge more because of the xtra investment in bandwidth they would need >> Alternatively, telecos can charge by the minute, ISP's get their money, >> people actually hang up and stop eating so much bandwidth, and everyone >> remains pretty happy. > > People don't really remain happy to be honest, I'm not really > sure where you have been living for the past 20 years but i'm > sure alot of people would like to see free local phone calls. The > internet is meant to be a place you can do what you want and > find what you want, not checking the clock every second to see if > your over your limit or can't afford anymore. Being into IRC and online Quake while having next to no money, believe me, I want unmetered calls to, it's just unlikely to happen. Oh, and 20 years ago I wasn't living at all :) > If ISDN and other methods where implanted then we could all > get fast connections, its really up to the phone companys no > matter what they say. Each ISDN line costs the same for call charges as normal calls, with higher rental charges. > Matter closed :) I think not :) 'course, you're the list admin, so if that's what you want... Regards Tom -- *AmiSITE: http://surf.to/amisite* A1200T 040@25 603p@166 32MB V90 850MB+2.5GB HD 24X CDRom P200MMX 64MB 4.3GB HD 32X CDRom ICQ:17701673 tom_hurst@geocities.com IRC:"Freaky" -- We are Windows of Borg. Speed is irrelevant, reliability is futile. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From scubidu@netcomuk.co.uk Sun Dec 06 13:50:00 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--750-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sun Dec 06 13:57:59 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sun, 06 Dec 1998 13:57:59 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.135.229] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sun, 06 Dec 1998 13:57:58 0000 Received: (qmail 12273 invoked by alias); 6 Dec 1998 13:57:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 12253 invoked from network); 6 Dec 1998 13:57:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO camelot.netcom.net.uk) (194.42.225.1) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 1998 13:57:37 -0000 Received: from dialup-02-33.netcomuk.co.uk (nobody@dialup-02-33.netcomuk.co.uk [194.42.228.161]) by camelot.netcom.net.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA07047 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 13:57:49 GMT From: "SCUBIDU" Organization: Private User Date: 6 Dec 98 13:50:00 +0100 Message-Id: <366A8B88.MD-0.196.scubidu@netcomuk.co.uk> To: just-amiga@onelist.com X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS 0.196 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [just-amiga] SETTING UP AN ISP From: "SCUBIDU" Just a *LITTLE* query (:-)) I would like to ask :- What, with all the talk regarding free internet access, and stuff, I was wondering (in one of My sad Bas*%ard moments) just what would it entail to start up an ISP? I have always imagined an "ISP" to be just a big room, full of hard drives connected to each other, and all connected up to a load of phone lines, but realise it can't be *THAT* simple. Anyone care to enlighten Me ? Scubidu -- LIFE'S A BEACH, THEN YOU DIVE ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From ltexas@earthlink.net Sun Dec 06 15:47:23 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--751-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sun Dec 06 14:40:44 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sun, 06 Dec 1998 14:40:44 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.135.253] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sun, 06 Dec 1998 14:40:43 0000 Received: (qmail 23477 invoked by alias); 6 Dec 1998 14:40:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 23465 invoked from network); 6 Dec 1998 14:40:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.49) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 1998 14:40:35 -0000 Received: from 1Cust80.tnt1.corpus-christi.tx.da.uu.net (1Cust80.tnt1.corpus-christi.tx.da.uu.net [208.254.178.80]) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA17384 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 06:40:32 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19981206084723.007a2760@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ltexas@earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 08:47:23 -0600 To: just-amiga@onelist.com From: lLeonard Mensay In-Reply-To: References: Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [just-amiga] Re: A step closer to free UK local calls....? From: lLeonard Mensay I don't know where you guys get your info from, but local calls in the US are NOT free... We have to pay twenty-five cents per call also. We find this out everytime the bill comes in..... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From ltexas@earthlink.net Sun Dec 06 15:51:43 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--752-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sun Dec 06 14:45:01 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sun, 06 Dec 1998 14:45:01 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.135.229] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sun, 06 Dec 1998 14:45:01 0000 Received: (qmail 15498 invoked by alias); 6 Dec 1998 14:44:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 15391 invoked from network); 6 Dec 1998 14:44:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.49) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 1998 14:44:39 -0000 Received: from 1Cust80.tnt1.corpus-christi.tx.da.uu.net (1Cust80.tnt1.corpus-christi.tx.da.uu.net [208.254.178.80]) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA19743 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 06:44:51 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19981206085143.007a5ec0@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ltexas@earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 08:51:43 -0600 To: just-amiga@onelist.com From: lLeonard Mensay In-Reply-To: <366A8B88.MD-0.196.scubidu@netcomuk.co.uk> Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [just-amiga] Re: SETTING UP AN ISP From: lLeonard Mensay At 01:50 PM 12/6/98 +0100, you wrote: >From: "SCUBIDU" > >Just a *LITTLE* query (:-)) I would like to ask :- >What, with all the talk regarding free internet access, and stuff, I >was wondering (in one of My sad Bas*%ard moments) just what would it >entail to start up an ISP? I have always imagined an "ISP" to be just >a big room, full of hard drives connected to each other, and all >connected up to a load of phone lines, but realise it can't be *THAT* >simple. > >Anyone care to enlighten Me ? > >Scubidu >-- > >LIFE'S A BEACH, THEN YOU DIVE wah woh waggy, Here ya go... for us in the states it take 4 things.... a high end computer system, an ISDN line, or an amount of high speed modems, a web construction kit, and Money, the ultimate savior.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Help support ONElist, while generating interest in your product or service. ONElist has a variety of advertising packages. Visit http://www.onelist.com/advert.html for more information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From colstv@hotkey.net.au Sun Dec 06 16:11:53 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--753-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sun Dec 06 15:17:22 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sun, 06 Dec 1998 15:17:22 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.135.229] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sun, 06 Dec 1998 15:17:22 0000 Received: (qmail 9179 invoked by alias); 6 Dec 1998 15:17:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 9168 invoked from network); 6 Dec 1998 15:16:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au) (203.37.241.194) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 1998 15:16:59 -0000 Received: from hotkey.net.au (maroochydore-as-dial-11.qld.hotkey.net.au [203.37.241.206]) by maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA21806 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 02:17:01 +1100 (EST) From: Colin Wenzel To: lLeonard Mensay Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 01:11:53 +1000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19981206084723.007a2760@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: A step closer to free UK local calls....? From: Colin Wenzel On 07-Dec-98, lLeonard Mensay wrote: >From: lLeonard Mensay >I don't know where you guys get your info from, but local calls in the US >are NOT free... We have to pay twenty-five cents per call also. We find >this out everytime the bill comes in..... Hmmmm, thats interesting because in Australia we are under the same impression that you only pay for toll calls in the U.S. & that local calls are free. How about the costs at a phone box versus a private (domestic) service. In Australia it is a bit of a rip-off, because it is 25c on a private phone, but you need 40c for a phone box. "They" say it is to cover maintainance.... Yehhh.....And I like Microsoft....... Pigs Bum.!!!!! -------------------------------------------- Colin Wenzel. Australia. | | Email: colstv@hotkey.net.au | URL: http://www.hotkey.net.au/~colstv/ | ICQ: #17608330 | | 'AMIGA' 4000T With CyberStorm-III 68060/50 | 150Mb RAM. | -------------------------------------------- AMIGA makes it possible ! | -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From bigken@nationwideisp.net Sun Dec 06 16:32:05 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--755-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sun Dec 06 16:34:22 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sun, 06 Dec 1998 16:34:22 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.135.253] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sun, 06 Dec 1998 16:34:21 0000 Received: (qmail 29019 invoked by alias); 6 Dec 1998 16:33:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 28950 invoked from network); 6 Dec 1998 16:33:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sycamore) (194.73.73.162) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 1998 16:33:50 -0000 Received: from nationwideisp.net [155.192.224.200] by sycamore with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0zmh6V-0004L1-00; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 16:32:16 +0000 From: Ken Walsh To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 16:32:05 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0Preview6 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Home Use Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: A step closer to free UK local calls....? From: Ken Walsh USA > How about the costs at a phone box versus a private (domestic) service. Thats where it is a rip off and cheaper in the UK when I first used them in America I thought what a crap sys' BT were miles better that was (1986) Cheers all the best Ken Walsh ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Help support ONElist, while generating interest in your product or service. ONElist has a variety of advertising packages. Visit http://www.onelist.com/advert.html for more information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From hotcakes@abacus.net.au Sun Dec 06 17:31:47 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--749-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sun Dec 06 11:09:35 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sun, 06 Dec 1998 11:09:35 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.135.253] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sun, 06 Dec 1998 11:09:34 0000 Received: (qmail 32542 invoked by alias); 6 Dec 1998 11:02:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 32489 invoked from network); 6 Dec 1998 11:02:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO a1bbs.abacus.net.au) (203.32.176.30) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 1998 11:02:44 -0000 Received: from [203.32.176.35] by abacus.net.au id ac180.wrk; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 21:32:48 EDT From: Toby Zuijdveld To: Chris Seward Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 21:31:47 +0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Res=A1stance?= Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Subject: [just-amiga] Re: A step closer to free UK local calls....? From: Toby Zuijdveld On 05-Dec-98, Chris Seward set out across the seas with this message: ->> Australia's local calls cost a flat 25c a call =] ->Grrr and Grrr some more. =] Hell, I'd like free calls too, but I figure the phone co has to still make a living somehow... and 25c is stuff all. ->Saddam spelt backwards, MadDas??? what!? Ahh, I don't know, it's a tagline. What do you want from it? =] -- *************** *** CAT TAG *** If at first you don't succeed, redefine success. *************** _ _ _ __ _ _ /\_ _ _________\/_________/\___ -- Toby Zuijdveld -- \____ ¬\/. ______ __/ | ) _/\____ \/ \ -EMail : mailto:hotcakes@abacus.net.au- |! | ¬\ \ \\ \\ - HTTP : http://abacus.net.au/hotcakes |___| //_____ //___ // [ Last updated : 17·11·98 ] !___/ \/DTN.\/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Help support ONElist, while generating interest in your product or service. ONElist has a variety of advertising packages. Visit http://www.onelist.com/advert.html for more information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From tom.hurst@clara.net Sun Dec 06 18:24:50 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--757-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sun Dec 06 18:40:01 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sun, 06 Dec 1998 18:40:01 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.13] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sun, 06 Dec 1998 18:40:00 0000 Received: (qmail 433 invoked by alias); 7 Dec 1998 19:36:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 393 invoked from network); 7 Dec 1998 19:36:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO remus.clara.net) (195.8.69.79) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 1998 19:36:19 -0000 Received: from clara.net (Tom@du-028-0447.claranet.co.uk [195.8.84.193]) by remus.clara.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA28477 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 18:39:49 GMT (envelope-from tom.hurst@clara.net) From: Thomas Hurst To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 17:24:50 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19981206084723.007a2760@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: AmiSITE -> http://surf.to/amisite <- AmiSITE Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: A step closer to free UK local calls....? From: Thomas Hurst Hi! On 06-Dec-98, lLeonard Mensay wrote: > I don't know where you guys get your info from, but local calls in the US > are NOT free... We have to pay twenty-five cents per call also. We find > this out everytime the bill comes in..... Big deal - spending 8 hours online in the US will still cost you 25 cents, but in the UK on weekends that will cost UKP4.80. In general discussion I think free calls=unmetered calls - i.e. a one off connection charge. Regards Tom -- *AmiSITE: http://surf.to/amisite* A1200T 040@25 603p@166 32MB V90 850MB+2.5GB HD 24X CDRom P200MMX 64MB 4.3GB HD 32X CDRom ICQ:17701673 tom_hurst@geocities.com IRC:"Freaky" -- WinErr f3a: Format of drive "a": failed. Trying "c:" ... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From lairfight@softhome.net Sun Dec 06 18:33:30 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--756-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sun Dec 06 17:41:30 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sun, 06 Dec 1998 17:41:30 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.135.229] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sun, 06 Dec 1998 17:41:23 0000 Received: (qmail 9544 invoked by alias); 6 Dec 1998 17:41:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 9489 invoked from network); 6 Dec 1998 17:41:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO softhome.net) (204.144.231.41) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 1998 17:41:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 22651 invoked by uid 417); 6 Dec 1998 17:58:08 -0000 Received: from t2o68p39.telia.com (HELO softhome.net) (62.20.138.159) by smtp.softhome.net with SMTP; 6 Dec 1998 17:58:08 -0000 From: Linus Akesson To: SCUBIDU Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 18:33:30 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <366A8B88.MD-0.196.scubidu@netcomuk.co.uk> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: SETTING UP AN ISP From: Linus Akesson On 06-Dec-98, SCUBIDU wrote: >From: "SCUBIDU" >Just a *LITTLE* query (:-)) I would like to ask :- >What, with all the talk regarding free internet access, and stuff, I >was wondering (in one of My sad Bas*%ard moments) just what would it >entail to start up an ISP? I have always imagined an "ISP" to be just >a big room, full of hard drives connected to each other, and all >connected up to a load of phone lines, but realise it can't be *THAT* >simple. >Anyone care to enlighten Me ? >Scubidu >-- >LIFE'S A BEACH, THEN YOU DIVE If you have two telephone lines, you can call your ISP on one of them and then someone else can call you on your other line. If you then have the appropriate software you could act as that person's ISP. So somebody is providing your ISP, and whoever that is also has an ISP (or many). This chain goes all the way back to the arpa computers in the american defense, BUT (and this is what confuses people about what an isp really is) if arpanet goes down, you would still have access to the rest of the internet. Linus .- Linus Akesson `--- lairfight@softhome.net -+- http://fly.to/linus.world --- aMiG!A ruleZ - People think the Year 2000 problem refers to time. It is going to refer to a new Amiga that kicks PCs all over the face of the new millenium. -- Fleecy Moss ------> MrCookie v1.1 (text/misc/MrCookie.lha) <------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Help support ONElist, while generating interest in your product or service. ONElist has a variety of advertising packages. Visit http://www.onelist.com/advert.html for more information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From ltexas@earthlink.net Sun Dec 06 23:40:21 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--758-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sun Dec 06 22:33:58 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sun, 06 Dec 1998 22:33:58 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.159] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sun, 06 Dec 1998 22:33:57 0000 Received: (qmail 4036 invoked by alias); 6 Dec 1998 22:41:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 3690 invoked from network); 6 Dec 1998 22:40:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.49) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 1998 22:40:50 -0000 Received: from 1Cust204.tnt1.corpus-christi.tx.da.uu.net (1Cust204.tnt1.corpus-christi.tx.da.uu.net [208.254.178.204]) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA17953 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 14:33:24 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19981206164021.007a8d40@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ltexas@earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 16:40:21 -0600 To: just-amiga@onelist.com From: lLeonard Mensay In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.32.19981206084723.007a2760@earthlink.net> Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [just-amiga] Re: A step closer to free UK local calls....? From: lLeonard Mensay >Hmmmm, thats interesting because in Australia we are under the >same impression that you only pay for toll calls in the U.S. >& that local calls are free. > >How about the costs at a phone box versus a private (domestic) service. > >In Australia it is a bit of a rip-off, >because it is 25c on a private phone, but you need 40c for a phone box. > >"They" say it is to cover maintainance.... > >Yehhh.....And I like Microsoft....... Pigs Bum.!!!!! They make everyone here believe that local calls are free, but they charge for them under they term "Local service"...... yes, it's a rip off in vast quantities..... and it still gets me that NO ONE KNOWS this! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From ltexas@earthlink.net Sun Dec 06 23:44:31 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--759-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sun Dec 06 22:37:57 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sun, 06 Dec 1998 22:37:57 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.135.229] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sun, 06 Dec 1998 22:37:56 0000 Received: (qmail 4049 invoked by alias); 6 Dec 1998 22:37:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 4024 invoked from network); 6 Dec 1998 22:37:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.49) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 1998 22:37:29 -0000 Received: from 1Cust204.tnt1.corpus-christi.tx.da.uu.net (1Cust204.tnt1.corpus-christi.tx.da.uu.net [208.254.178.204]) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA21182 for ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 14:37:36 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19981206164431.0079f100@earthlink.net> X-Sender: ltexas@earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 16:44:31 -0600 To: just-amiga@onelist.com From: lLeonard Mensay In-Reply-To: References: Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [just-amiga] Re: A step closer to free UK local calls....? From: lLeonard Mensay >USA > >> How about the costs at a phone box versus a private (domestic) service. > >Thats where it is a rip off and cheaper in the UK when I first used them >in America I thought what a crap sys' BT were miles better that was >(1986) Please don't forget Britain is a small podunk country with out the mass of America,Canada or Australia...... We don't have to pay for a figure head to sit on a throne... our leader does things... like spread presidential seed around the world, and walk the halls of power with his pants arounds his knees.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From gerald.hobbs@wago.de Mon Dec 07 14:15:14 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--760-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Mon Dec 07 14:43:30 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Mon, 07 Dec 1998 14:43:30 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.31] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Mon, 07 Dec 1998 14:43:29 0000 Received: (qmail 14518 invoked by alias); 7 Dec 1998 14:42:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 14462 invoked from network); 7 Dec 1998 14:42:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bungo.wago.de) (193.101.191.2) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 1998 14:42:49 -0000 Received: by bungo.wago.de (SMI-8.6) via EUnet for onelist.com id PAA00599; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 15:41:50 +0100 >Received: from cc-smtp1.eni.wago.de by donau.wago.de (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA17423; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 15:19:12 +0100 From: gerald.hobbs@wago.de Received: from donau by bungo.wago.de; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 15:41 MET Received: from cc-smtp1.eni.wago.de by donau.wago.de (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA17423; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 15:19:12 +0100 Received: from ccMail by cc-smtp1.eni.wago.de (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.30.00.7) id AA913040346; Mon, 07 Dec 1998 15:19:09 +0100 Message-Id: <9812079130.AA913040346@cc-smtp1.eni.wago.de> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.30.00.7 Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 14:15:14 +0100 To: Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [just-amiga] System Partition From: gerald.hobbs@wago.de After many years on my Amigas, - am at last moving over from being a multiple floppy drive user (only on the Amiga makes this possible!) to a multiple SCSI hard drive user (WB 3.1). Precautions I am considering include the plan to keep the system partition backed up both to floppies and to a "mirror" system partition on another SCSI hard drive. Of course this will be as well as my doing file backups - to a partition on a separate hard disk - even SCSI hds can be had on the cheap now ;-). The "mirror" system partition will have a different partition name to the usual boot partition. I thought of making the "mirror" bootable but with a lower priority: Boot priority of the usual partition is 2, and of "mirror" will be 1. The problem is what to name the "mirror" VOLUME. I have tried giving it the SAME volume name, , as the normal system partition. However this causes me confusion because it generates two icons labelled OS. Should I differentiate between them in some way? Also Dopus4 has been confused and has produced a listing according to the wrong OS partition selected. Alternatively I could give them DIFFERENT VOLUME names, but might this not void all the paths set up -- for running software installed on the various OTHER partitions, and so preventing them from working in association with the "mirror" -> on "that day" the usual system partition gets garbled :-( ??? Can anybody give me the benefit of their experience please? Gerald. (of Devon) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From andrewcrowe@enterprise.net Mon Dec 07 19:36:35 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--761-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Mon Dec 07 18:38:42 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Mon, 07 Dec 1998 18:38:42 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.135.229] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Mon, 07 Dec 1998 18:38:42 0000 Received: (qmail 21382 invoked by alias); 7 Dec 1998 18:37:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 21297 invoked from network); 7 Dec 1998 18:37:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.enterprise.net) (194.72.192.18) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 1998 18:37:38 -0000 Received: from enterprise.net (andrewcrowe@ppp136.enterprise.net [194.72.195.136]) by mail.enterprise.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA24724 for ; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 18:37:49 GMT From: Andrew Crowe To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 18:36:35 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9812079130.AA913040346@cc-smtp1.eni.wago.de> X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Manta Soft Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: System Partition From: Andrew Crowe Hi Everybody, > Alternatively I could give them DIFFERENT VOLUME names, but might this > not void all the paths set up -- for running software installed on the > various OTHER partitions, and so preventing them from working in > association with the "mirror" -> on "that day" the usual system > partition gets garbled :-( ??? > > Can anybody give me the benefit of their experience please? > > Gerald. (of Devon) Don't bother fafing about with HD mirroring, just create a backup partition and copy every thing from your other hd's every week or so. If you want to save space you could acutally archive everything to your backup partition, but that would take longer (you could leave it over-night to do like I do with RC5 ;). If your really keen on mirroring, theres a program on Aminet that says it mirrors partitions. Mirroring would slow your HD down a lot though. See ya. -- Manta Soft - Amiga programing & web page designing Http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Gold/1713/ ICQ: 21829166 - --------------------- Quote of the day: ---------------------- - It is better to have tried and failed than to have failed to try, but the result's the same. -- Mike Dennison ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From lairfight@softhome.net Mon Dec 07 19:41:31 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--762-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Mon Dec 07 18:48:01 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Mon, 07 Dec 1998 18:48:01 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.159] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Mon, 07 Dec 1998 18:48:00 0000 Received: (qmail 25337 invoked by alias); 7 Dec 1998 18:51:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 25205 invoked from network); 7 Dec 1998 18:51:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO softhome.net) (204.144.231.41) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 1998 18:51:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 3261 invoked by uid 417); 7 Dec 1998 19:00:35 -0000 Received: from t4o68p68.telia.com (HELO softhome.net) (62.20.139.188) by smtp.softhome.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 1998 19:00:35 -0000 From: Linus Akesson To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 19:41:31 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9812079130.AA913040346@cc-smtp1.eni.wago.de> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: System Partition From: Linus Akesson On 07-Dec-98, gerald.hobbs@wago.de wrote: > ..snip.. > Alternatively I could give them DIFFERENT VOLUME names, but might this > not void all the paths set up -- for running software installed on the > various OTHER partitions, and so preventing them from working in > association with the "mirror" -> on "that day" the usual system > partition gets garbled :-( ??? > > Can anybody give me the benefit of their experience please? > > Gerald. (of Devon) Use different names. Although DOS and other well-coded stuff (coders: spot the satire) will work all right with multiple volumes with the same name, some other applications, and your own looking at the workbench, will NOT work in the long run. You would also need to use DH0: instead of OS: to be certain that you're accessing the right volume. My suggestion is that you call them OS and OS_mirror (or something) and when "that day" occurs, you simply rename OS_mirror to OS (workbench 'rename' or shell 'relabel'). Linus .- Linus Akesson `--- lairfight@softhome.net -+- http://fly.to/linus.world --- aMiG!A ruleZ - Dolphins are so intelligent that within a few weeks they can train Americans to stand at the edge of the pool and throw them fish. --------> MrCookie v1.1 by Linus Akesson (text/misc/MrCookie.lha) <--------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From amiga@thefree.net Mon Dec 07 20:03:45 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--796-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 12 00:07:00 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 00:07:00 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.207] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 00:06:59 0000 Received: (qmail 11056 invoked by alias); 12 Dec 1998 01:06:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 11018 invoked from network); 12 Dec 1998 01:06:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.thefree.net) (195.34.192.14) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 1998 01:06:28 -0000 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 00:06:15 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from thefree.net [195.34.195.73] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 00:06:14 0000 From: "Chris Seward" To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 20:03:45 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] *Internet accounts stolen* From: "Chris Seward" A serious mater is over 700 internet login and passwords have been stolen by someone who is unknown, Holger Kruse has released a text about it and it can be found on the NordicGlobal site. They have been stolen by using a fake version of the datatypes.lib. I don't have the full details but anyone who is unsure is advised to change their password, the list is known to be doing the rounds on some BBS's. Merry Christmas! -- Chris Seward Email : amiga@thefree.net Editor of Amiga Information Online Phone : +44 (0)7887 664 915 http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/ Aminet : Docs/Mags/AIOV??.lha Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List: www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga AIO Registered domain 40 UKP/80 UKP [XXXX----] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Help support ONElist, while generating interest in your product or service. ONElist has a variety of advertising packages. Visit http://www.onelist.com/advert.html for more information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From ck@mystcorp.com Mon Dec 07 20:09:04 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--763-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Mon Dec 07 19:37:44 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Mon, 07 Dec 1998 19:37:44 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.31] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Mon, 07 Dec 1998 19:37:43 0000 Received: (qmail 23222 invoked by alias); 7 Dec 1998 19:37:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 23087 invoked from network); 7 Dec 1998 19:37:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mserv1a.u-net.net) (195.102.240.34) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 1998 19:37:36 -0000 Received: from (mystcorp.u-net.com) [194.119.133.201] by mserv1a.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zn6TM-0001zv-00; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 19:37:33 +0000 From: Conor Kerr To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 19:09:04 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9812079130.AA913040346@cc-smtp1.eni.wago.de> X-Mailer: YAM 2.0Preview6 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Mystique Corporation International Ltd. Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: System Partition - get PFS2 NOW! From: Conor Kerr Hi gerald.hobbs@wago.de, > Can anybody give me the benefit of their experience please? To tell you the truth I wouldn't bother using floppies to back up your boot partition - stuff on the boot partition rarely changes and a mirrored copy should be sufficient. In the event that something goes wrong with your computer, it is highly unlikely that you would be writing to the boot partition of the mirror drive at the same time as the boot partition of your main drive. (that holds as long as you use the mirror boot partition as a backup and a backup only.) Because it is an amiga you are using, it's almost unheard of that if something really bad happens to your mirror hd all partitions will be lost, only the partition being accessed at the time is in any danger (unlike on a PC). Also, while we're on the topic I must recommend that you get PFS2. With this software it is very very unlikely that you'll ever need to use the backup and while I won't recommend not having a backup (it's good to have) I think that backing up to floppies as well as a mirror hard-drive really isn't worth the effort in the long run as the odds of both your drives being wrecked are so minute when using PFS2. (I'm trying to save you some time here :-p) ). In case you don't know about PFS2, check out: http://www.ramjam.u-net.com and buy it TODAY! It's on special offer at the minute. FYI, I'm not affiliated in any way with the makers of PFS2 (hopefully I haven't made myself outto be ;) ), I was just amazed when I installed the software - it was like getting a system/processor upgrade!! All the best... *Conor Kerr* MD, Mystique Corporation International Ltd. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From bigken@nationwideisp.net Mon Dec 07 21:18:31 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--764-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Mon Dec 07 21:51:22 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Mon, 07 Dec 1998 21:51:22 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.135.253] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Mon, 07 Dec 1998 21:51:21 0000 Received: (qmail 6479 invoked by alias); 7 Dec 1998 21:24:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 6424 invoked from network); 7 Dec 1998 21:24:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sycamore) (194.73.73.162) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 1998 21:24:54 -0000 Received: from nationwideisp.net [155.192.226.177] by sycamore with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0zn87f-0007ap-00; Mon, 7 Dec 1998 21:23:15 +0000 From: Ken Walsh To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 21:18:31 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9812079130.AA913040346@cc-smtp1.eni.wago.de> X-Mailer: YAM 2.0Preview6 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Home Use Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: System Partition From: Ken Walsh On 07-Dec-98, gerald.hobbs@wago.de wrote: > From: gerald.hobbs@wago.de > > > After many years on my Amigas, - am at last moving over from being a > multiple floppy drive user (only on the Amiga makes this possible!) > to > a multiple SCSI hard drive user (WB 3.1). Can anybody give me the benefit of their experience please? It will be the best thing you have ever done. I have an internal 850 Mb IDE HD and a 1Gb scsi HD My Workbench is a 50Mb partition with the rest of the IDE in 3 other partitions. My scsi HD is just one big partition and which I have just dragged all my other IDE partitions (4 of 'em) on to it to back them all up. Then just made draws for what else I need. You could if you want break this scsi HD up in to several partitions if you want but I some times have very large files on so like to have all the spare space when and if needed! You can then just back up the partion you want every now and then don't bother with floppies it will do your head in. If you have some special file that you want back it up on disk if you want. If your sys' Hd goes down just put your Workbench disk in and boot on that make a boot disk so you can see your scsi HD (if squirrel scsi, it will make a boot disk for you if you ask) I now use AFS you could get PFS as your file sys it will make your HD faster (and less likely to bugger up) Cheers all the best Ken Walsh ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From sami.naatanen@dlc.fi Mon Dec 07 22:57:09 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--766-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Tue Dec 08 23:28:14 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Tue, 08 Dec 1998 23:28:14 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.135.229] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Tue, 08 Dec 1998 23:28:12 0000 Received: (qmail 804 invoked by alias); 8 Dec 1998 21:06:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 713 invoked from network); 8 Dec 1998 21:06:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vlad.sci.fi) (195.74.0.48) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 1998 21:06:16 -0000 Received: from elf.dlc.fi (elf [195.218.64.6]) by vlad.sci.fi (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id XAA14423 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:06:32 +0200 (EET) Received: from dlc.fi (voltage@MMCLXXXI.hdyn.saunalahti.fi [195.197.43.81]) by elf.dlc.fi (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA11850 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 23:06:30 +0200 (EET) From: Sami =?iso-8859-1?Q?N=E4=E4t=E4nen?= To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 00:57:09 +0300 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9812079130.AA913040346@cc-smtp1.eni.wago.de> X-Mailer: YAM 2.0Preview6 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Subject: [just-amiga] Re: System Partition From: Sami =?iso-8859-1?Q?N=E4=E4t=E4nen?= > From: gerald.hobbs@wago.de > > > After many years on my Amigas, - am at last moving over from being a > multiple floppy drive user (only on the Amiga makes this possible!) to > a multiple SCSI hard drive user (WB 3.1). > > Precautions I am considering include the plan to keep the system > partition backed up both to floppies and to a "mirror" system > partition on another SCSI hard drive. > > Of course this will be as well as my doing file backups - to a > partition on a separate hard disk - even SCSI hds can be had on the > cheap now ;-). > > The "mirror" system partition will have a different partition name to > the usual boot partition. > I thought of making the "mirror" bootable but with a lower priority: > Boot priority of the usual partition is 2, and of "mirror" will be 1. > > The problem is what to name the "mirror" VOLUME. > I have tried giving it the SAME volume name, , as the normal > system partition. > > However this causes me confusion because it generates two icons > labelled OS. > Should I differentiate between them in some way? > > Also Dopus4 has been confused and has produced a listing according to > the wrong OS partition selected. > > Alternatively I could give them DIFFERENT VOLUME names, but might this > not void all the paths set up -- for running software installed on the > various OTHER partitions, and so preventing them from working in > association with the "mirror" -> on "that day" the usual system > partition gets garbled :-( ??? > > Can anybody give me the benefit of their experience please? > > Gerald. (of Devon) > Well If you want that mirror to boot as your normal system, you just can do litle modification to your mirro partitions startup. At the first line put relabel >NIL: "osmirrordevicename:" "normalosvolumename" This will just modify the volume name of your mirror sys if it is the SYS: partition. Well after repairing remember to change the name back so that it wont interfere the next "normal" boot. There is also a better solution. USE SYS: if you refer to boot partition!!!! Oh and I have taked this system further and I have every system assigned using assigns so if i have text related proggy or drawer which needs an assign. I will just assign it to relate to text: so if i move my text stuff to else where i just need to change one assign!!!! the main assign which tells where the text stuff can be found. _____________________________________________________________ | | | Sami Näätänen A1260 50MB 3.5GB 2X 56k BJC-4100 HP Deskjet | | EMail: sami.naatanen@dlc.fi | | | `-------------------------------------------------------------' ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From colstv@hotkey.net.au Tue Dec 08 01:30:07 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--765-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Tue Dec 08 01:47:03 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Tue, 08 Dec 1998 01:47:03 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.135.229] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Tue, 08 Dec 1998 01:47:03 0000 Received: (qmail 12090 invoked by alias); 8 Dec 1998 00:35:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 12034 invoked from network); 8 Dec 1998 00:35:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au) (203.37.241.194) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 1998 00:35:15 -0000 Received: from hotkey.net.au (maroochydore-as-dial-14.qld.hotkey.net.au [203.37.241.209]) by maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA17851 for ; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:35:26 +1100 (EST) From: Colin Wenzel To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 10:30:07 +1000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9812079130.AA913040346@cc-smtp1.eni.wago.de> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: System Partition From: Colin Wenzel On 07-Dec-98, gerald.hobbs@wago.de wrote: >From: gerald.hobbs@wago.de > > After many years on my Amigas, - am at last moving over from being a > multiple floppy drive user (only on the Amiga makes this possible!) to > a multiple SCSI hard drive user (WB 3.1). Don't bother, just get a second drive the same size or bigger than the sum of your other drives/partitions, for backing up on. (maybe an ide drive - if you have an ide bus on your amiga, you didnt say.) On my home page, there is a program: 'BackItAllUp' It's free & it is made to mirror the current state of files on your working drives. I use a removable 2.1Gig SCSI drive in my A4000T to back up to. -------------------------------------------- Colin Wenzel. Australia. | | Email: colstv@hotkey.net.au | URL: http://www.hotkey.net.au/~colstv/ | ICQ: #17608330 | | 'AMIGA' 4000T With CyberStorm-III 68060/50 | 150Mb RAM. | -------------------------------------------- AMIGA makes it possible ! | -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From gerald.hobbs@wago.de Tue Dec 08 15:30:49 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--771-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Wed Dec 09 10:45:01 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Wed, 09 Dec 1998 10:45:01 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.135.229] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Wed, 09 Dec 1998 10:45:01 0000 Received: (qmail 6595 invoked by alias); 9 Dec 1998 10:44:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 6558 invoked from network); 9 Dec 1998 10:44:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bungo.wago.de) (193.101.191.2) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 1998 10:44:34 -0000 Received: by bungo.wago.de (SMI-8.6) via EUnet for onelist.com id LAA11255; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:43:57 +0100 >Received: from cc-smtp1.eni.wago.de by donau.wago.de (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA21597; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:13:18 +0100 From: gerald.hobbs@wago.de Received: from donau by bungo.wago.de; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:43 MET Received: from cc-smtp1.eni.wago.de by donau.wago.de (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA21597; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:13:18 +0100 Received: from ccMail by cc-smtp1.eni.wago.de (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.30.00.7) id AA913198395; Wed, 09 Dec 1998 11:13:17 +0100 Message-Id: <9812099131.AA913198395@cc-smtp1.eni.wago.de> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.30.00.7 Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 15:30:49 +0100 To: Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [just-amiga] Re: System Partition - get PFS2 NOW! From: gerald.hobbs@wago.de Thanks to Conor Kerr You have advised: "In the event that something goes wrong with your computer, it is highly unlikely that you would be writing to the boot partition of the mirror drive at the same time as the boot partition of your main drive. (that holds as long as you use the mirror boot partition as a backup and a backup only.)" So, *yes* I will just hold the mirror of my system partition in reserve backup only as suggested. You went on to say: "Also, while we're on the topic, I must recommend that you get PFS2." Indeed *yes*, ....I have already got pfs2!! However with pfs2 called up for the system partition, it boots O.K. from switch-on, BUT from a soft reset (with Ctl-Amiga-Amiga) all I got was a CLI prompt. So have reverted to FFS DOS5 for the system partition which then DOES boot from a soft reset. I guess pfs2 is not so important on the system partition as it is seldom written to. On all the other partitions I am definitely calling for pfs2 on my RDBs. And thanks everyone else for advice :-) Gerald (of Devon) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Help support ONElist, while generating interest in your product or service. ONElist has a variety of advertising packages. Visit http://www.onelist.com/advert.html for more information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From syzygy@sunlink.net Wed Dec 09 06:13:42 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--767-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Wed Dec 09 07:09:43 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Wed, 09 Dec 1998 07:09:43 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.135.229] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Wed, 09 Dec 1998 07:09:43 0000 Received: (qmail 13706 invoked by alias); 9 Dec 1998 05:13:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 13664 invoked from network); 9 Dec 1998 05:13:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO earth.sunlink.net) (204.170.191.1) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 1998 05:13:25 -0000 Received: from jupiter.sunlink.net (syzygy@jupiter.sunlink.net [204.170.191.12]) by earth.sunlink.net (1.8.18/1.8.18) with ESMTP id AAA00202 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 00:13:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 00:13:42 -0500 (EST) From: Nano To: just-amiga@onelist.com In-Reply-To: <9812079130.AA913040346@cc-smtp1.eni.wago.de> Message-ID: Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [just-amiga] Re: System Partition From: Nano Sounds like I have a similar setup. Because I [currently] don't have an easy method of backing up I use a small hard drive to 'mirror' my boot drive -which I copy over about once a week or with major software changes. I do the backups manually when I feel they warrant, however I've seen programs out there that will do this automatically. Here's a quick layout. DH0: is main boot drive - label Nano: DH1: storage for utils and such - label Pico: DH2: storage for mp3/anim/etc - label Deka: DH3: download and testing new things - label Micro: DH9: this is my mirror of dh0: - label Alpha: NOTE: DH0: through DH2: are all physically the same drive. DH3: is another and DH9: is also its own entity. At least if the entire first drive which contains 0 through 2 is lost, I have another drive with my boot backup. I've gone through all kinds of crashes and data loss through the years, so you can see I've learned to take good precautions. MP3's and videos can always be replaced, but years of customizing your Workbench to your personal perfection is NOT something I want to lose. If DH0: takes a dive on me for some reason I can fall back on DH9: and use that to easily revive or format/copy back my usual setup. > The "mirror" system partition will have a different partition name to > the usual boot partition. > I thought of making the "mirror" bootable but with a lower priority: > Boot priority of the usual partition is 2, and of "mirror" will be 1. Yes, give them different names. Whatever you want. i.e. Boot: and Mirror: Exactly what I have. Both are bootable with different boot priorities. > The problem is what to name the "mirror" VOLUME. > I have tried giving it the SAME volume name, , as the normal > system partition. > > However this causes me confusion because it generates two icons > labelled OS. > Should I differentiate between them in some way? Yup, see above. > Also Dopus4 has been confused and has produced a listing according to > the wrong OS partition selected. > > Alternatively I could give them DIFFERENT VOLUME names, but might this > not void all the paths set up -- for running software installed on the > various OTHER partitions, and so preventing them from working in > association with the "mirror" -> on "that day" the usual system > partition gets garbled :-( ??? Yes and no. Both of my drives have different names and labels but as long as you do one simple thing it should all work out -at least it does for me. Go through your startup-sequence and user-startup [and possibly other places depending on your setup] and make sure anything that points to your main boot drive is changed to SYS:. Many programs use the label name when installing so I always make sure to check for and change that to SYS: This way, no matter what drive you boot from it should work flawlessly since whatever drive you boot from will automatically be SYS:. Essentially make sure there are no label names used, instead things like C: and S: and DEVS: are what you want. All your other paths should be fine if they are on different drives or partitions because those won't be affected. i.e. Assign >NIL: Icons: DH2:Visual/Icons This is in my startup-sequence and is fine when booting from any drive because it is always the same, unlike dh0 and dh9 which may swap places. OK. I've probably said more than enough. If you have further questions, let me know. _____ | . MUD <-Arcanum Staff---> nano@arcanum.org | . ISP <---SunLink Staff-> syzygy@sunlink.net . | . WWW <-----Home Page---> www.sunlink.net/nano . | ...................................................................... : : Alpha-> Multia:::21164@166:::64mb:::::::::::::RedHat::SCSI2 . | . Amiga-> A4000T:::68060@50:::130mb::PicassoIV::os3.1:::SCSI3 . | Mac---> 7100/66::::601@66:::128mb:::::::::::::os8.1:::SCSI2 _____! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From D.McMinn@eee.rgu.ac.uk Wed Dec 09 10:31:06 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--768-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Wed Dec 09 09:31:40 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Wed, 09 Dec 1998 09:31:40 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.13] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Wed, 09 Dec 1998 09:31:39 0000 Received: (qmail 2240 invoked by alias); 10 Dec 1998 10:28:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 2227 invoked from network); 10 Dec 1998 10:28:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO glayva.eee.rgu.ac.uk) (193.62.34.1) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 1998 10:28:00 -0000 Received: from eee.rgu.ac.uk (ns-eee-1.eee.rgu.ac.uk [193.62.34.252]) by glayva.eee.rgu.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA24614 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 09:30:33 GMT (envelope-from D.McMinn@eee.rgu.ac.uk) Message-Id: <199812090930.JAA24614@glayva.eee.rgu.ac.uk> Received: from NS-EEE-1/SpoolDir by eee.rgu.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 9 Dec 98 09:31:21 0 Received: from SpoolDir by NS-EEE-1 (Mercury 1.44); 9 Dec 98 09:31:12 0 From: "David Mcminn" Organization: The Robert Gordon University, E&EE To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 09:31:06 -0000 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Subject: [just-amiga] VGA Monitors From: "David Mcminn" I've been using an old SVGA monitor on my Amiga for a while now (when nobody's been using the PC anyway) and it worked fine. I was using the AMI2VGA buffered adapter and the dblntsc31 monitor from aminet. I just bought a new SVGA monitor and I was wondering if anyone could suggest a solution/place to find a solution to this problem. As soon as I switch the whole lot on, the power saving mode kicks in. If I disconnect my Amiga, then it goes on (not power saving). The monitor's got the two DDC lines, so I checked the PC and found that one was 5V and the other was ground, rewired the adapter, but the same thing. Any offerings? Thanks in advance. |) /\ \/ ][ |) |\/| © |\/| ][ |\| |\| d.mcminn@eee.rgu.ac.uk ICQ=16827694 http://members.xoom.com/David_McMinn ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From colstv@hotkey.net.au Wed Dec 09 11:35:19 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--769-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Wed Dec 09 10:43:55 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Wed, 09 Dec 1998 10:43:55 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.135.253] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Wed, 09 Dec 1998 10:43:54 0000 Received: (qmail 12657 invoked by alias); 9 Dec 1998 10:43:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 12640 invoked from network); 9 Dec 1998 10:43:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au) (203.37.241.194) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 1998 10:43:55 -0000 Received: from hotkey.net.au (maroochydore-as-dial-14.qld.hotkey.net.au [203.37.241.209]) by maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA15030 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 21:43:38 +1100 (EST) From: Colin Wenzel To: David Mcminn Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 20:35:19 +1000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199812090930.JAA24614@glayva.eee.rgu.ac.uk> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Subject: [just-amiga] Re: VGA Monitors From: Colin Wenzel It would appear that the monitor does not like 15KHz sync, which is what every amiga start up in... Your best bet would be to get hold of an Apollo MV1200 Scan doubler & Flicker-Fixer module, that way, no matter what you output on the amiga, it will be vga+ mode sync. Also, the Interlaced modes won't flicker anymore either. You can get one from: Analogic Computers UK. Contact: Mr Raj Shukla. Unit 6, Ashway centre, Elm Crescent, Kingston upon Thames, Surrey. KT2 6HH, UK. Phone: +44 (0) 181 546 9575 Fax: +44 (0) 181 541 4671 Email: info@analogic.co.uk URL: http://www.analogic.co.uk -------------------------------------------- Colin Wenzel. Australia. | | Email: colstv@hotkey.net.au | URL: http://www.hotkey.net.au/~colstv/ | ICQ: #17608330 | | 'AMIGA' 4000T With CyberStorm-III 68060/50 | 150Mb RAM. | -------------------------------------------- AMIGA makes it possible ! | -------------------------------------------- On 09-Dec-98, David Mcminn wrote: >From: "David Mcminn" >I've been using an old SVGA monitor on my Amiga for a while now (when nobody's >been using the PC anyway) and it worked fine. I was using the AMI2VGA buffered >adapter and the dblntsc31 monitor from aminet. > I just bought a new SVGA monitor and I was wondering if anyone could suggest >a >solution/place to find a solution to this problem. As soon as I switch the >whole lot on, the power saving mode kicks in. If I disconnect my Amiga, then >it >goes on (not power saving). The monitor's got the two DDC lines, so I checked >the PC and found that one was 5V and the other was ground, rewired the >adapter, >but the same thing. Any offerings? > Thanks in advance. >|) /\ \/ ][ |) |\/| © |\/| ][ |\| |\| > d.mcminn@eee.rgu.ac.uk ICQ=16827694 > http://members.xoom.com/David_McMinn >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription >to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and >select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Help support ONElist, while generating interest in your product or service. ONElist has a variety of advertising packages. Visit http://www.onelist.com/advert.html for more information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From colstv@hotkey.net.au Wed Dec 09 11:38:41 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--770-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Wed Dec 09 10:44:39 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Wed, 09 Dec 1998 10:44:39 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.135.229] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Wed, 09 Dec 1998 10:44:38 0000 Received: (qmail 6258 invoked by alias); 9 Dec 1998 10:44:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 6248 invoked from network); 9 Dec 1998 10:44:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au) (203.37.241.194) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 1998 10:44:13 -0000 Received: from hotkey.net.au (maroochydore-as-dial-14.qld.hotkey.net.au [203.37.241.209]) by maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA15042 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 21:44:24 +1100 (EST) From: Colin Wenzel To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 20:38:41 +1000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199812090930.JAA24614@glayva.eee.rgu.ac.uk> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Team Amiga From: Colin Wenzel Does anyone here subscribe to the teamamiga mailing list ?? It appears to have gone quiet again, I dunno what's going on..... Anyone have any news for me... -------------------------------------------- Colin Wenzel. Australia. | | Email: colstv@hotkey.net.au | URL: http://www.hotkey.net.au/~colstv/ | ICQ: #17608330 | | 'AMIGA' 4000T With CyberStorm-III 68060/50 | 150Mb RAM. | -------------------------------------------- AMIGA makes it possible ! | -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Help support ONElist, while generating interest in your product or service. ONElist has a variety of advertising packages. Visit http://www.onelist.com/advert.html for more information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From tim@ramjam.u-net.com Wed Dec 09 12:59:56 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--772-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Wed Dec 09 12:00:27 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Wed, 09 Dec 1998 12:00:27 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.159] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Wed, 09 Dec 1998 12:00:26 0000 Received: (qmail 14934 invoked by alias); 9 Dec 1998 12:08:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 14895 invoked from network); 9 Dec 1998 12:07:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mserv1a.u-net.net) (195.102.240.34) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 1998 12:07:49 -0000 Received: from ramjam.u-net.com [194.119.178.106] by mserv1a.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zniHq-0001Ee-00; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 12:00:11 +0000 From: tim@ramjam.u-net.com (Tim Corringham) X-SMTP-Client: Amiga SMTPclient 0.1 by Ramjam Consultants Ltd. Date: Wed, 09 Dec 98 11:59:56 To: just-amiga@onelist.com In-Reply-To: (from just-amiga@onelist.com) (on Wed, 09 Dec 98 20:38:41) Lines: 20 X-Mailer: ADMail 1.7 Copyright 1995 S.T.Brown Message-Id: Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Team Amiga From: tim@ramjam.u-net.com (Tim Corringham) Hi Colin > From: Colin Wenzel > > Does anyone here subscribe to the teamamiga mailing list ?? > > It appears to have gone quiet again, I dunno what's going on..... > > Anyone have any news for me... > I've been trying to subscribe to it for *months*. All mail to the list server seems to be delayed, and eventually cancelled. Tim -- ====================================================================== Tim Corringham e-mail: tim@ramjam.u-net.com Ramjam Consultants Ltd tel: +44 (0)118 946 5940 Reading, England fax: +44 (0)118 946 5941 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From colstv@hotkey.net.au Wed Dec 09 13:07:37 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--773-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Wed Dec 09 12:13:24 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Wed, 09 Dec 1998 12:13:24 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.13] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Wed, 09 Dec 1998 12:13:23 0000 Received: (qmail 32443 invoked by alias); 10 Dec 1998 13:09:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 32393 invoked from network); 10 Dec 1998 13:09:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au) (203.37.241.194) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 1998 13:09:53 -0000 Received: from hotkey.net.au (maroochydore-as-dial-26.qld.hotkey.net.au [203.37.241.221]) by maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA16227 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 23:13:02 +1100 (EST) From: Colin Wenzel To: Tim Corringham Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 22:07:37 +1000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Team Amiga From: Colin Wenzel On 09-Dec-98, Tim Corringham wrote: >From: tim@ramjam.u-net.com (Tim Corringham) >Hi Colin >> From: Colin Wenzel >> Does anyone here subscribe to the teamamiga mailing list ?? >> It appears to have gone quiet again, I dunno what's going on..... >> Anyone have any news for me... >I've been trying to subscribe to it for *months*. All mail to the >list server seems to be delayed, and eventually cancelled. > Tim I have been able to send a couple of mails to it, but have never got any back, however, I sent a mail requiring a private reply, I received 3 replies back, so someone is getting mail from the list. I sent a 'subscribe teamamiga' mail to refresh my subscription, just in case.... But nothing happened.. !!! I even asked garry peak to look into it but he never replied.... I attempted to access the mailing list from the thule.no site, but the cgi scripting is broken & the mailing list pages are broken too. So whats happening --- I dunno....!! -------------------------------------------- Colin Wenzel. 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Visit http://www.onelist.com/advert.html for more information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From colstv@hotkey.net.au Wed Dec 09 13:14:06 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--774-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Wed Dec 09 12:20:25 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Wed, 09 Dec 1998 12:20:25 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.31] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Wed, 09 Dec 1998 12:20:24 0000 Received: (qmail 29089 invoked by alias); 9 Dec 1998 12:20:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 29025 invoked from network); 9 Dec 1998 12:20:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au) (203.37.241.194) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 1998 12:20:27 -0000 Received: from hotkey.net.au (maroochydore-as-dial-26.qld.hotkey.net.au [203.37.241.221]) by maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA16308 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 23:20:00 +1100 (EST) From: Colin Wenzel To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 22:14:06 +1000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9812099131.AA913198395@cc-smtp1.eni.wago.de> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: System Partition - get PFS2 NOW! From: Colin Wenzel All this talk of duplicate boot partitions & mirrored drives are in my opinion, totally redundant. As long as you have file backups ( a copy of all your partitions ) & you update them regularly, you have nothing to loose. ALL failures of hard drive media on Amigas fall into 4 catagories... In order of the most common.... 1: The MaxTransfer is setup incorrectly, resulting in transfer write errors, this is NOT repairable by the validator. Large files become corrupt & the directory structure can also become insane, resulting in 2 files of the same name in the same dir, directories disappearing, files vanishing or the drive just becomming a NDOS disk for no reason. After fixing the MaxTransfer value & rebooting, A full format of that partition will be required to restore sanity. 2: The drive is corrupted by bad software writing & then crashing. Not allowing the drive write to complete before the reboot. (As the drive is validated afterwards, this is not usually a problem.) 3: The user reboots the machine during or too soon after a write. (This too will validate afterwards, this is not usually a problem.) 4: The drive itself dies..... Shit happens !!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------- IRRESPECTIVE OF WHO TELLS YOU OTHERWISE, EVEN IF THE HDTOOLBOX PROGRAM (or whatever tool you use) THAT WANTS TO SET IT UP DIFFERENTLY. **** FORGET IT !!!! **** The ONLY values that guarantees safe operation on ALL Amigas & various controllers with or without a wierd drive are: ALL SCSI DRIVES: MaxTransfer = 0xffffff Zero, x, (6 f's) ALL IDE DRIVES: MaxTransfer = 0x1fe00 Zero,x,1,f,e,Zero,Zero You have been told, use any other values at your own peril...... If you don't believe me, that's your problem... If you really want to know the technical reasons for this, and if I get enough enquiries, then I may elaborate further. -------------------------------------------- Colin Wenzel. Australia. | Amigan since 1986. | | Email: colstv@hotkey.net.au | URL: http://www.hotkey.net.au/~colstv/ | ICQ: #17608330 | | 'AMIGA' 4000T With CyberStorm-III 68060/50 | 150Mb RAM. | -------------------------------------------- AMIGA makes it possible ! | -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Help support ONElist, while generating interest in your product or service. ONElist has a variety of advertising packages. Visit http://www.onelist.com/advert.html for more information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From D.McMinn@eee.rgu.ac.uk Wed Dec 09 13:25:01 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--775-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Wed Dec 09 12:25:28 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Wed, 09 Dec 1998 12:25:28 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.31] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Wed, 09 Dec 1998 12:25:28 0000 Received: (qmail 884 invoked by alias); 9 Dec 1998 12:25:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 808 invoked from network); 9 Dec 1998 12:25:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO glayva.eee.rgu.ac.uk) (193.62.34.1) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 1998 12:25:38 -0000 Received: from eee.rgu.ac.uk (ns-eee-1.eee.rgu.ac.uk [193.62.34.252]) by glayva.eee.rgu.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA25089 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 12:24:27 GMT (envelope-from D.McMinn@eee.rgu.ac.uk) Message-Id: <199812091224.MAA25089@glayva.eee.rgu.ac.uk> Received: from NS-EEE-1/SpoolDir by eee.rgu.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 9 Dec 98 12:25:14 0 Received: from SpoolDir by NS-EEE-1 (Mercury 1.44); 9 Dec 98 12:25:08 0 From: "David Mcminn" Organization: The Robert Gordon University, E&EE To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 12:25:01 -0000 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Subject: [just-amiga] Re: VGA Monitor From: "David Mcminn" Hi Colin, I don't think its a problem with the monitor not liking the 15kHz modes on bootup, as even if I switch the monitor off, wait for my DBLNTSC workbench to boot and then switch on, I get the same thing. I've done some rooting around for info on DDC and VESA DPMS (the power saving part). DDC is a serial thing for getting device characteristics, and would be initiated by the computer. VESA DPMS works by keeping the sync lines at constant voltages (again initiated by computer), so either my adapter or sync outs are buggered. Or maybe even then RGB outs, as some monitors have an extra feature that they will go into standby mode if nothing is detected on the RGB lines for a long enough time. |) /\ \/ ][ |) |\/| © |\/| ][ |\| |\| d.mcminn@eee.rgu.ac.uk ICQ=16827694 http://members.xoom.com/David_McMinn ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From colstv@hotkey.net.au Wed Dec 09 13:40:20 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--776-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Wed Dec 09 12:46:00 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Wed, 09 Dec 1998 12:46:00 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.159] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Wed, 09 Dec 1998 12:45:59 0000 Received: (qmail 25513 invoked by alias); 9 Dec 1998 12:53:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 25335 invoked from network); 9 Dec 1998 12:53:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au) (203.37.241.194) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 1998 12:53:38 -0000 Received: from hotkey.net.au (maroochydore-as-dial-26.qld.hotkey.net.au [203.37.241.221]) by maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA16635 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 23:45:41 +1100 (EST) From: Colin Wenzel To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 22:40:20 +1000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9812099131.AA913198395@cc-smtp1.eni.wago.de> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: System Partition - get PFS2 NOW! From: Colin Wenzel All this talk of duplicate boot partitions & mirrored drives are in my opinion, totally redundant. As long as you have file backups ( a copy of all your partitions ) & you update them regularly, you have nothing to loose. ALL failures of hard drive media on Amigas fall into 4 catagories... In order of the most common.... 1: The MaxTransfer is setup incorrectly, resulting in transfer write errors, this is NOT repairable by the validator. Large files become corrupt & the directory structure can also become insane, resulting in 2 files of the same name in the same dir, directories disappearing, files vanishing or the drive just becomming a NDOS disk for no reason. After fixing the MaxTransfer value & rebooting, A full format of that partition will be required to restore sanity. 2: The drive is corrupted by bad software writing & then crashing. Not allowing the drive write to complete before the reboot. (As the drive is validated afterwards, this is not usually a problem.) 3: The user reboots the machine during or too soon after a write. (This too will validate afterwards, this is not usually a problem.) 4: The drive itself dies..... Bad luck !!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------- IRRESPECTIVE OF WHO TELLS YOU OTHERWISE, EVEN IF THE HDTOOLBOX PROGRAM (or whatever tool you use) THAT WANTS TO SET IT UP DIFFERENTLY. **** FORGET IT !!!! **** The ONLY values that guarantees safe operation on ALL Amigas & various controllers with or without a wierd drive are: ALL SCSI DRIVES: MaxTransfer = 0xffffff Zero, x, (6 f's) ALL IDE DRIVES: MaxTransfer = 0x1fe00 Zero,x,1,f,e,Zero,Zero You have been told, use any other values at your own peril...... If you don't believe me, that's your problem... If you really want to know the technical reasons for this, and if I get enough enquiries, then I may elaborate further. -------------------------------------------- Colin Wenzel. Australia. | Amigan since 1986. | | Email: colstv@hotkey.net.au | URL: http://www.hotkey.net.au/~colstv/ | ICQ: #17608330 | | 'AMIGA' 4000T With CyberStorm-III 68060/50 | 150Mb RAM. | -------------------------------------------- AMIGA makes it possible ! | -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From bigken@nationwideisp.net Wed Dec 09 17:20:40 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--777-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Wed Dec 09 18:31:29 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Wed, 09 Dec 1998 18:31:29 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.159] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Wed, 09 Dec 1998 18:31:28 0000 Received: (qmail 18913 invoked by alias); 9 Dec 1998 18:16:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 18605 invoked from network); 9 Dec 1998 18:16:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maple) (194.73.73.163) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 1998 18:16:15 -0000 Received: from nationwideisp.net [155.192.226.184] by maple with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0znnxL-0001cc-00; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 18:03:24 +0000 From: Ken Walsh To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 17:20:40 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0Preview6 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Home Use Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: System Partition - get PFS2 NOW! From: Ken Walsh On 09-Dec-98, Colin Wenzel wrote: > The ONLY values that guarantees safe operation on ALL Amigas > & various controllers with or without a wierd drive are: > > ALL SCSI DRIVES: MaxTransfer = 0xffffff Zero, x, (6 f's) > ALL IDE DRIVES: MaxTransfer = 0x1fe00 Zero,x,1,f,e,Zero,Zero > > You have been told, use any other values at your own peril...... > > If you don't believe me, that's your problem... > > If you really want to know the technical reasons for this, > and if I get enough enquiries, then I may elaborate further. Go on you have my attention :-) Cheers all the best Ken Walsh ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Help support ONElist, while generating interest in your product or service. ONElist has a variety of advertising packages. Visit http://www.onelist.com/advert.html for more information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From bigken@nationwideisp.net Wed Dec 09 17:20:40 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--778-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Wed Dec 09 18:25:14 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Wed, 09 Dec 1998 18:25:14 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.135.229] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Wed, 09 Dec 1998 18:25:14 0000 Received: (qmail 9768 invoked by alias); 9 Dec 1998 18:11:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 9719 invoked from network); 9 Dec 1998 18:11:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sycamore) (194.73.73.162) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 1998 18:11:09 -0000 Received: from nationwideisp.net [155.192.226.184] by sycamore with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0zno3b-0004uD-00; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 18:09:52 +0000 From: Ken Walsh To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 17:20:40 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0Preview6 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Home Use Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: System Partition - get PFS2 NOW! From: Ken Walsh On 09-Dec-98, Colin Wenzel wrote: > The ONLY values that guarantees safe operation on ALL Amigas > & various controllers with or without a wierd drive are: > > ALL SCSI DRIVES: MaxTransfer = 0xffffff Zero, x, (6 f's) > ALL IDE DRIVES: MaxTransfer = 0x1fe00 Zero,x,1,f,e,Zero,Zero > > You have been told, use any other values at your own peril...... > > If you don't believe me, that's your problem... > > If you really want to know the technical reasons for this, > and if I get enough enquiries, then I may elaborate further. Go on you have my attention :-) Cheers all the best Ken Walsh ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Help support ONElist, while generating interest in your product or service. ONElist has a variety of advertising packages. Visit http://www.onelist.com/advert.html for more information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From amiga@thefree.net Wed Dec 09 18:22:58 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--797-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 12 00:07:27 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 00:07:27 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.207] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 00:07:27 0000 Received: (qmail 11768 invoked by alias); 12 Dec 1998 01:06:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 11738 invoked from network); 12 Dec 1998 01:06:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.thefree.net) (195.34.192.14) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 1998 01:06:54 -0000 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 00:07:20 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from thefree.net [195.34.195.73] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 00:07:19 0000 From: "Chris Seward" To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 18:22:58 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Subject: [just-amiga] Mobile Phone -> Modem cable anyone? From: "Chris Seward" Does anyone know anything about using a modem with a mobile phone? I have an Ericsson GA628 phone which is data and fax compatible and an external 33600bps Dynalink modem connected to my Amiga, I want to use the mobile phone with the external modem on my amiga and the computer you are using I should expect won't make a difference but I need to find somewhere that will sell a cable to connect the GA628 to the dynalink, in theory this should be a simple cable, the mobile phone connector then some phone cable with a UK phone plug to go in the back of the modem, a simple cable but does it exist? or can someone make me one? I have seen infrared ones that have credit card size modems built into the cable but they are over £150 and all I want is a simple connector. This is really important and if anyone can help at all please reply! 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Visit http://www.onelist.com/advert.html for more information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From lairfight@softhome.net Wed Dec 09 19:51:56 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--779-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Wed Dec 09 19:43:16 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Wed, 09 Dec 1998 19:43:16 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.159] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Wed, 09 Dec 1998 19:43:15 0000 Received: (qmail 16819 invoked by alias); 9 Dec 1998 19:20:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 16743 invoked from network); 9 Dec 1998 19:20:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO softhome.net) (204.144.231.41) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 1998 19:20:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 26322 invoked by uid 417); 9 Dec 1998 19:29:29 -0000 Received: from t2o68p48.telia.com (HELO softhome.net) (62.20.138.168) by smtp.softhome.net with SMTP; 9 Dec 1998 19:29:29 -0000 From: Linus Akesson To: Colin Wenzel Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 19:51:56 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: System Partition - get PFS2 NOW! From: Linus Akesson On 09-Dec-98, Colin Wenzel wrote: >If you really want to know the technical reasons for this, >and if I get enough enquiries, then I may elaborate further. Sounds interesting. Linus .- Linus Akesson `--- lairfight@softhome.net -+- http://fly.to/linus.world --- aMiG!A ruleZ - Read my chips: No new upgrades! -------> MrCookie v1.1 <------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From nbent@netcomuk.co.uk Wed Dec 09 20:15:29 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--780-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Thu Dec 10 00:02:28 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Thu, 10 Dec 1998 00:02:28 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.135.229] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Thu, 10 Dec 1998 00:02:28 0000 Received: (qmail 27508 invoked by alias); 9 Dec 1998 22:56:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 27457 invoked from network); 9 Dec 1998 22:56:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO avalon.netcom.net.uk) (194.42.225.7) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 1998 22:56:17 -0000 Received: from netcomuk.co.uk (NigelBent@dialup-01-26.netcomuk.co.uk [194.42.228.90]) by avalon.netcom.net.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA13017 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 22:56:35 GMT From: Nigel Bent To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 19:15:29 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0Preview6 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: System Partition - get PFS2 NOW! From: Nigel Bent Hello Colin On 09-Dec-98, you wrote: > The ONLY values that guarantees safe operation on ALL Amigas > & various controllers with or without a wierd drive are: > > ALL SCSI DRIVES: MaxTransfer = 0xffffff Zero, x, (6 f's) > ALL IDE DRIVES: MaxTransfer = 0x1fe00 Zero,x,1,f,e,Zero,Zero > > You have been told, use any other values at your own peril...... > > If you don't believe me, that's your problem... > > If you really want to know the technical reasons for this, > and if I get enough enquiries, then I may elaborate further. Please do - I, for one, am very interested. My IDE HD is and always has been 0xffffff and I have never had any problems. You've got me worried.....I'm scared..... Please put me out of my misery ;-) Regards -- Nigel Bent Powered by Amiga Whenever you find that you are on the side of the majority, it is time to reform. -- Mark Twain ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Help support ONElist, while generating interest in your product or service. ONElist has a variety of advertising packages. Visit http://www.onelist.com/advert.html for more information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From mash@myamiga.freeserve.co.uk Wed Dec 09 20:42:37 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--781-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Thu Dec 10 02:56:26 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Thu, 10 Dec 1998 02:56:26 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.31] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Thu, 10 Dec 1998 02:56:26 0000 Received: (qmail 15828 invoked by alias); 10 Dec 1998 01:59:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 15508 invoked from network); 10 Dec 1998 01:59:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail3.svr.pol.co.uk) (194.152.65.211) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 1998 01:59:34 -0000 Received: from modem-51.methylphenidate.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.79.51] helo=myamiga.freeserve.co.uk ident=Mash) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05iplimit-2 #5) id 0zns7P-0004fx-00 for just-amiga@onelist.com; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 22:30:03 +0000 From: Matthew O'Neill To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 20:42:37 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0Preview6 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Fluffy Things Inc. Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Team Amiga From: Matthew O'Neill Hi Colin On 09-Dec-98, you wrote: > From: Colin Wenzel > Does anyone here subscribe to the teamamiga mailing list ?? > It appears to have gone quiet again, I dunno what's going on..... > Anyone have any news for me... about 60-80 a day here Regards -- What do you get if you cross an agnostic, an insomniac and a dyslexic? Someone who lies awake at night wondering if there really is a dog. HTTP://www.myamiga.freeserve.co.uk/ Matthew O'Neill ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Help support ONElist, while generating interest in your product or service. ONElist has a variety of advertising packages. Visit http://www.onelist.com/advert.html for more information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From olli@elaborate-bytes.com Thu Dec 10 11:14:29 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--782-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Thu Dec 10 10:16:10 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:16:10 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.13] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:16:09 0000 Received: (qmail 25592 invoked by alias); 11 Dec 1998 11:12:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 25585 invoked from network); 11 Dec 1998 11:12:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO salyko.cube.net) (195.38.152.2) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 1998 11:12:44 -0000 Received: from WinProxy.anywhere(dialppp49.cubenet.de[194.97.90.49]) (4072 bytes) by salyko.cube.net via smtpd with P:smtp/R:bind_hosts/T:inet_zone_bind_smtp (sender: ) id for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:16:45 +0100 (MET) (Smail-3.2.0.104 1998-Nov-20 #1 built 1998-Nov-23) Received: from 192.168.1.1 by 192.168.1.4 (WinProxy); Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:14:02 +0100 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:14:31 +0100 Message-ID: <01BE242E.42458360.olli@elaborate-bytes.com> From: Oliver Kastl To: "'just-amiga@onelist.com'" Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:14:29 +0100 Organization: Elaborate Bytes X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [just-amiga] Re: System Partition - get PFS2 NOW! From: Oliver Kastl Have to add another point: On Wednesday, December 09, 1998 1:14 PM, Colin Wenzel [SMTP:colstv@hotkey.net.au] wrote: > From: Colin Wenzel > > > All this talk of duplicate boot partitions & mirrored drives > are in my opinion, totally redundant. > > As long as you have file backups ( a copy of all your partitions ) > & you update them regularly, you have nothing to loose. > > ALL failures of hard drive media on Amigas fall into 4 catagories... > In order of the most common.... > > > 1: The MaxTransfer is setup incorrectly, resulting in transfer write > errors, this is NOT repairable by the validator. > Large files become corrupt & the directory structure can also > become insane, resulting in 2 files of the same name in the same dir, > > directories disappearing, files vanishing or the drive just > becomming > a NDOS disk for no reason. > > After fixing the MaxTransfer value & rebooting, A full format > of that partition will be required to restore sanity. > > 2: The drive is corrupted by bad software writing & then crashing. > Not allowing the drive write to complete before the reboot. > (As the drive is validated afterwards, this is not usually a > problem.) > > 3: The user reboots the machine during or too soon after a write. > (This too will validate afterwards, this is not usually a problem.) > > 4: The drive itself dies..... Shit happens !!!! 5. You use partitions beyond the 4 GB barrier, and for some reason the correct filesystem and/or the correct device driver are not or not correctly installed (e.g. you have a TD64 filesystem with DosType DOS\1 in the RDB, but use a partition with DosType DOS\3). 6. The 64 Bit FileSystem and/or device drivers WERE installed, but because of some stupid hack you tried from AmiNet the reset resident device drivers are kicked out of memory. 7. You use Format without "Quick" option beyond the 4GB barrier. (BTW, my HDInstTool is capable to DOS format partition "non-Quick" beyond the 4GB barrier) 8. You use (fill your faviourite PC or MAC Emulator here) partitions beyond the 4GB barrier. > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > IRRESPECTIVE OF WHO TELLS YOU OTHERWISE, EVEN IF THE HDTOOLBOX > PROGRAM (or whatever tool you use) THAT WANTS TO SET IT UP DIFFERENTLY. > > **** FORGET IT !!!! **** > > > The ONLY values that guarantees safe operation on ALL Amigas > & various controllers with or without a wierd drive are: > > ALL SCSI DRIVES: MaxTransfer = 0xffffff Zero, x, (6 f's) > ALL IDE DRIVES: MaxTransfer = 0x1fe00 Zero,x,1,f,e,Zero,Zero This may be already too big for certain old drives! Better use 0x10000 (or less) for IDE drives! 64kByte was the page size of the old 86x processors, so in the early days drives were never tested to work with bigger transfers. BTW, in case you use Oktapussy or IDE-fix '97 RESET RESIDENT (with the LoadIDE command) you can set mask and maxtransfer to whatever you like (e.g. the most conservative settings) as the driver - once active - ignores these values completely. Regards, Oliver Kastl Elaborate Bytes E-Mail: olli@elaborate-bytes.com http://www.elaborate-bytes.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From colstv@hotkey.net.au Thu Dec 10 13:05:08 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--783-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Thu Dec 10 12:07:02 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:07:02 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.135.253] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:07:01 0000 Received: (qmail 30496 invoked by alias); 10 Dec 1998 12:07:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 30427 invoked from network); 10 Dec 1998 12:07:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au) (203.37.241.194) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 1998 12:07:02 -0000 Received: from hotkey.net.au (maroochydore-as-dial-25.qld.hotkey.net.au [203.37.241.220]) by maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA04888 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 23:06:36 +1100 (EST) From: Colin Wenzel To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 22:05:08 +1000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Mr Max Transfer. From: Colin Wenzel OK, Ive had a few people wanting more info, so here goes.... To give you the abridged version.... Firstly, MAXTRANSFER has *nothing* to do with how fast your drive transfers data. This fairytale has caused a lot of the trouble we have, because the speed-freaks love BIG numbers without knowing what they are for... Some very old IDE drives don't work to their rated specification because Windows &/or MSDos never used it. Therfore it was never tested in manufacture. The IDE spec states that the MaxTransfer cannot exceed 256 x 512 bytes ( 0x20000 ) With the 512 bytes being the sector size. With the old (door-stop) IDE drives a Maxtransfer Value of 128 x 512 bytes ( 0x10000 ) may need to be used before the drive will work at all. So the optimum value that *modern* drives will work well at is: ( 256 x SectorSize ) - (1 x SectorSize) for safety. 255 x 512 = 130560 ( 0x1fe00 ) If you have any boat anchors still around, a value of 0xfe00 would be the safest to use... ( 128 x SectorSize ) - (1 x SectorSize) for safety. 127 x 512 = 65024 ( 0xfe00 ) --------------- Now as far as the SCSI drives, when using Commodore controllers such as the ones in the A1200 & A4000, there have been problems with some drives being recognized by workbench if the maxtransfer exceeds 0xffffff (6 f's) The drive will appear in HDToolbox & will allow you to partition it, but when you reboot to format it, the drive will not be recognized & will not be available for format. Even though it still appears in HDToolbox. Other controllers may set this value to 0x7ffffffe or whatever, they may work fine, but as soon as that drive gets moved around onto another controller, you are going to have trouble. So the quickest way to avoid software or controller problems is to set your SCSI MaxTransfer to 0xFFFFFF (6 f's) there will be no noticable change in your drives performance... -------------------------------------------- Colin Wenzel. 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Visit http://www.onelist.com/advert.html for more information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From colstv@hotkey.net.au Thu Dec 10 13:23:30 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--784-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Thu Dec 10 12:25:44 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:25:44 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.135.229] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Thu, 10 Dec 1998 12:25:44 0000 Received: (qmail 30327 invoked by alias); 10 Dec 1998 12:25:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 30295 invoked from network); 10 Dec 1998 12:25:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au) (203.37.241.194) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 1998 12:25:15 -0000 Received: from hotkey.net.au (maroochydore-as-dial-25.qld.hotkey.net.au [203.37.241.220]) by maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA05155 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 23:25:23 +1100 (EST) From: Colin Wenzel To: Oliver Kastl Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 22:23:30 +1000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <01BE242E.42458360.olli@elaborate-bytes.com> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Mr Max Transfer 2. From: Colin Wenzel On 10-Dec-98, Oliver Kastl wrote: >From: Oliver Kastl >Have to add another point: >5. You use partitions beyond the 4 GB barrier, and for some reason the >correct filesystem and/or the correct device driver are not or not >correctly installed (e.g. you have a TD64 filesystem with DosType DOS\1 in >the RDB, but use a partition with DosType DOS\3). >6. The 64 Bit FileSystem and/or device drivers WERE installed, but because >of some stupid hack you tried from AmiNet the reset resident device >drivers are kicked out of memory. >7. You use Format without "Quick" option beyond the 4GB barrier. (BTW, my >HDInstTool is capable to DOS format partition "non-Quick" beyond the 4GB >barrier) >8. You use (fill your faviourite PC or MAC Emulator here) partitions >beyond the 4GB barrier. ------------------------------------------- Thanks Oliver..... Very obvious, but it slipped my mind.... EASY RULE #5: DO NOT HAVE ANY PARTITION OVER 2047 Mb. They are already too-hard to maintain at that size.... You will never find anything in a bottomless pit. Personally, until the 64 bit stuff is in the ROM, it is never safe to assume that any patch is installed. The problem is that you have to startup initially without any patches installed, because they are read from the drive during boot. There is always the chance that the file system will not be in an ideal or even a stable state to run without them. -------------------------------------------- Colin Wenzel. Australia. | | Email: colstv@hotkey.net.au | URL: http://www.hotkey.net.au/~colstv/ | ICQ: #17608330 | | 'AMIGA' 4000T With CyberStorm-III 68060/50 | 150Mb RAM. | -------------------------------------------- AMIGA makes it possible ! | -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Help support ONElist, while generating interest in your product or service. ONElist has a variety of advertising packages. Visit http://www.onelist.com/advert.html for more information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From lacoste@home.se Thu Dec 10 18:30:19 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--785-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Thu Dec 10 18:06:26 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Thu, 10 Dec 1998 18:06:26 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.31] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Thu, 10 Dec 1998 18:06:25 0000 Received: (qmail 812 invoked by alias); 10 Dec 1998 17:28:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 748 invoked from network); 10 Dec 1998 17:28:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp2.home.se) (194.52.202.65) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 1998 17:28:44 -0000 Received: from home.se (dialup71-6-6.swipnet.se [130.244.71.86]) by smtp2.home.se (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA13477 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 18:32:31 +0100 (CET) From: lACOSTE! To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 18:30:19 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview3 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Team Amiga Mailinglist From: lACOSTE! How do i subscribe on the Team Amiga Mailinglist??! // lACOSTE! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Help support ONElist, while generating interest in your product or service. ONElist has a variety of advertising packages. Visit http://www.onelist.com/advert.html for more information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From aMIGA_dUDE@aSSIGN.u-nET.cOM Thu Dec 10 18:32:24 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--786-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Thu Dec 10 20:17:35 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Thu, 10 Dec 1998 20:17:35 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.13] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Thu, 10 Dec 1998 20:17:34 0000 Received: (qmail 28069 invoked by alias); 11 Dec 1998 20:38:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 27948 invoked from network); 11 Dec 1998 20:38:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mserv1a.u-net.net) (195.102.240.34) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 1998 20:38:18 -0000 Received: from (p39.nas2.is3.u-net.net) [195.102.196.167] by mserv1a.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zoBxy-0007Xu-00; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 19:41:39 +0000 From: "Andrew" Organization: Author of ProPassWord , AmiVisual , IRCGamer Date: 10 Dec 98 17:32:24 +0000 X-Face: (_q}6lZ;BQops9`}X~b69)+|*BiJl_ur1MVm@7?1L%b8~r^vjuPaA+*y_KvLLQF.~mMmTO5@)C56oH;@6Zw(D}.-Fw!a+i58GajsiC$/C.!.zW,hx Message-Id: To: just-amiga@onelist.com X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS NC 1.0a Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [just-amiga] BVision From: "Andrew" Called White Knight Techology about this well cool card and seam that there should if every thing goes to plain everyone who ordered by them will have before Xmas (He hopes). He just yesterday wire Phase5 the money. Well Cool, I think, I will be using my 17" Montor very soon. -- -- Is your Amiga safe? Or are you already using ProPassWord. -- \\//Amiga\\// Team AMIGA -- 603e+ 233/040 32 Meg, Zip, CD-Rom. Kickstart 3.1, PFS2 PortJnr, Pace56 External Voice. ISP http://www.wirenet.co.uk/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Help support ONElist, while generating interest in your product or service. ONElist has a variety of advertising packages. Visit http://www.onelist.com/advert.html for more information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From pauldix@valerie.u-net.com Thu Dec 10 21:10:39 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--787-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Thu Dec 10 20:54:58 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Thu, 10 Dec 1998 20:54:58 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.13] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Thu, 10 Dec 1998 20:54:57 0000 Received: (qmail 25138 invoked by alias); 11 Dec 1998 21:10:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 24978 invoked from network); 11 Dec 1998 21:10:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mserv1a.u-net.net) (195.102.240.34) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 1998 21:10:03 -0000 Received: from (p105.nas1.is5.u-net.net) [195.102.200.105] by mserv1a.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zoCSj-0001rm-00; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 20:13:26 +0000 From: "Paul Dixon" Organization: Private User Date: 10 Dec 98 20:10:39 +0000 Message-Id: To: just-amiga@onelist.com Originally-From: Stephen Bazire Originally-To: "Dixon, Paul" X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS NC 1.0a Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [just-amiga] (Fwd) FW: NEW PRODUCT: MICROSOFT CONTRACEPTIVES... From: "Paul Dixon" Just a note to show you lot this :-))))) ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From: INTERNET:paul.woods@bristol.ac.uk, INTERNET:paul.woods@bristol.ac.uk TO: "Gay, Antony", INTERNET:gaya@anix.co.uk "Farmer, Nigel", INTERNET:NAFarmer@aol.com "Craven, Phil", INTERNET:craggsto@dircon.co.uk "Cooke, Nigel", INTERNET:ncooke@fords-design.co.uk "Byett, Dave", INTERNET:byettd@anix.co.uk "Butler, Phill", INTERNET:phillip.butler@burohappold.com "Brian J. Read", INTERNET:brianr@execulink-invtry.co.za "Bond, Martin", INTERNET:martin@oldfrog.demon.co.uk "Bazire, Stephen", SBazire CC: "Collis, Rosy", INTERNET:R.Collis@bristol.ac.uk DATE: 10/12/98 04:08 RE: FW: NEW PRODUCT: MICROSOFT CONTRACEPTIVES... Sender: paul.woods@bristol.ac.uk Received: from dirc.bris.ac.uk (dirc.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.51]) by arl-img-4.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.17) with SMTP id EAA17741 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 04:08:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from sis.bris.ac.uk by dirc.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV (PP) with ESMTP; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:08:20 +0000 Received: from lib-ntws1.lib.bris.ac.uk (lib-ntws1.lib.bris.ac.uk [137.222.120.78]) by sis.bris.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA11168; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:07:45 GMT From: Paul Woods Sender: Paul.Woods@bristol.ac.uk Reply-To: paul.woods@bristol.ac.uk To: "Bazire, Stephen" , "Bond, Martin" , "Brian J. Read" , "Butler, Phill" , "Byett, Dave" , "Cooke, Nigel" , "Craven, Phil" , "Farmer, Nigel" , "Gay, Antony" , "Glanville, Grant" Cc: "Collis, Rosy" Subject: FW: NEW PRODUCT: MICROSOFT CONTRACEPTIVES... Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:07:38 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Priority: NORMAL X-Mailer: Simeon for Win32 Version 4.1.5 Build (43) X-Authentication: none MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII NEW PRODUCT: MICROSOFT CONTRACEPTIVES Microsoft Corporation has taken another step toward dominating every aspect of American life with the introduction of Contraceptive98, a suite of applications designed for users who engage in sex. Microsoft has been a pioneer in peer-to-peer connectivity and plug and play. It believes these technologies will give it substantial leverage in penetrating the copulation enhancement market. The product addresses two important user concerns: the need for virus protection and the need for a firewall to ensure the non-propagation of human beings. The Contraceptive98 suite consists of three products: Condom98, DeFetus 1.0 (from Sementec), and AIDScan 2.1 (from Norton Utilities). A free copy of Intercourse Explorer 4.0 is bundled in the package. The suite also comes in two expanded versions. Contraceptive98 Professional is the Client/Server edition, for professionals in the sexual services sector. Contraceptive98 Small Business Edition is a package for start-ups, aimed at the housewife and gigolo niches. While Contraceptive98 does not address non-traditional copulatory channels, future plug-ins are planned for next year. They will be known as BackDoor, AuraLee, TitElation, and JerkOff. OPERATION - Only one node in a peer-to-peer connection needs to install the package. At installation, the Condom98 software checks for minimum hardware. If the user meets the requirements, the product installs and is sufficiently scaleable to meet most requirements. After installation, operation commences. One caution is that the user must have sufficient RAM to complete the session. When the session is complete, a disconnect is initiated, and the user gets the message, It is now safe to turn off your partner. DRAWBACKS - Usability testers report that frequent failures were a major concern during beta testing. General Protection Fault was the most serious error encountered. Early versions had numerous bugs, but most of these have been eliminated. The product needs to be installed each time its used. CONCLUSION - Contraceptive98 is a robust product. Despite its drawbacks, it is a reasonably good value for its $49.95 price tag, and is far superior to its shareware version. Hopefully, future releases (of the software, that is) will add missing functionality, such as Backout and Restore, Uninterruptible Power Supply, and Onboard Camera. Microsoft CEO Bill Gates is optimistic about Contraceptive98s potential. He recently said, "Our contraceptive products will help users do to each other what we've been doing to our customers for years." -- Roland D.G. 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Visit http://www.onelist.com/advert.html for more information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From andrewcrowe@enterprise.net Thu Dec 10 23:23:48 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--788-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Thu Dec 10 23:57:13 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Thu, 10 Dec 1998 23:57:13 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.135.253] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Thu, 10 Dec 1998 23:57:12 0000 Received: (qmail 12162 invoked by alias); 10 Dec 1998 22:25:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 11979 invoked from network); 10 Dec 1998 22:25:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.enterprise.net) (194.72.192.18) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 1998 22:25:35 -0000 Received: from enterprise.net (andrewcrowe@ppp382.enterprise.net [194.72.196.128]) by mail.enterprise.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA03499 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 22:25:15 GMT From: Andrew Crowe To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 22:23:48 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Manta Soft Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: (Fwd) FW: NEW PRODUCT: MICROSOFT CONTRACEPTIVES... From: Andrew Crowe Hi Everybody, > NEW PRODUCT: MICROSOFT CONTRACEPTIVES > Microsoft Corporation has taken another step toward dominating every > aspect of American life with the introduction of Contraceptive98, a > suite of applications designed for users who engage in sex. This should keep Bill Clinton out of trouble for a while ;) See ya. -- Manta Soft - Amiga programing & web page designing Http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Gold/1713/ ICQ: 21829166 - --------------------- Quote of the day: ---------------------- - Anyone can make mistakes, but only an idiot persists in his error. -- Cicero ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From colstv@hotkey.net.au Fri Dec 11 03:17:39 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--789-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Fri Dec 11 04:29:37 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Fri, 11 Dec 1998 04:29:37 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.31] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Fri, 11 Dec 1998 04:29:37 0000 Received: (qmail 29329 invoked by alias); 11 Dec 1998 02:30:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 29287 invoked from network); 11 Dec 1998 02:30:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au) (203.37.241.194) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 1998 02:30:45 -0000 Received: from hotkey.net.au (maroochydore-as-dial-7.qld.hotkey.net.au [203.37.241.202]) by maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA16303 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:30:18 +1100 (EST) From: Colin Wenzel To: lACOSTE! Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:17:39 +1000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Team Amiga Mailinglist From: Colin Wenzel On 11-Dec-98, lACOSTE! wrote: >From: lACOSTE! >How do i subscribe on the Team Amiga Mailinglist??! > >// lACOSTE! At the moment, after I can get back on, i'll tell you..... But normally, go to; http://www.thule.no to the mailing list page. -------------------------------------------- Colin Wenzel. 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Visit http://www.onelist.com/advert.html for more information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From Terry@fuchsia.prestel.co.uk Fri Dec 11 18:57:51 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--790-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Fri Dec 11 18:02:26 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Fri, 11 Dec 1998 18:02:26 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.135.253] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Fri, 11 Dec 1998 18:02:26 0000 Received: (qmail 64 invoked by alias); 11 Dec 1998 18:01:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 32710 invoked from network); 11 Dec 1998 18:01:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pa.scotland.net) (194.247.64.132) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 1998 18:01:06 -0000 Received: from [148.176.232.66] (helo=e1c2p2.scotland.net ident=prs16640) by pa.scotland.net with smtp (Exim 1.90 #4) for just-amiga@onelist.com id 0zoWrw-0005wr-00; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 18:00:49 +0000 From: "Terry Davis" Organization: Private user Date: 11 Dec 98 17:57:51 +0000 Message-Id: To: just-amiga@onelist.com X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS NC 1.0a Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [just-amiga] Hard drive space From: "Terry Davis" Hi I am a relative novice with computers, so this is probably a silly question but here goes. I only have a 170meg hard drive of which 10meg is devoted to Workbench DH0. This partition is almost completely full. I have been moving cirtain files out of DH0 to a draw in DH1 in order to create more space in DH0. This so far has caused no problems. I see that I have nearly 2meg of fonts in DH0. If I could move them to DH1 this would give me a lot of breathing space. My question is does the computer look in the fonts draw at it needs fonts or are they just stored there to bring into programms as I require them. If I moved them out of DH0 would the computer crash and not start up. I thought I had better ask before I did something I would regret. Thanks in anticipation. Terry -- Terry Davis Terry@fuchsia.prestel.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Help support ONElist, while generating interest in your product or service. ONElist has a variety of advertising packages. Visit http://www.onelist.com/advert.html for more information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From andrewcrowe@enterprise.net Fri Dec 11 19:10:26 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--793-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Fri Dec 11 21:21:30 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Fri, 11 Dec 1998 21:21:30 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.159] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Fri, 11 Dec 1998 21:21:29 0000 Received: (qmail 24749 invoked by alias); 11 Dec 1998 21:27:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 24696 invoked from network); 11 Dec 1998 21:27:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.enterprise.net) (194.72.192.18) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 1998 21:27:40 -0000 Received: from enterprise.net (andrewcrowe@ppp166.enterprise.net [194.72.195.166]) by mail.enterprise.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA14172 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 21:19:24 GMT From: Andrew Crowe To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 18:10:26 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Manta Soft Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Hard drive space From: Andrew Crowe Hi Everybody, > I see that I have nearly 2meg of fonts in DH0. If I could move them to > DH1 this would give me a lot of breathing space. > My question is does the computer look in the fonts draw at it needs > fonts or are they just stored there to bring into programms as I > require them. If I moved them out of DH0 would the computer crash and > not start up. I thought I had better ask before I did something I > would regret. > Thanks in anticipation. > Terry Ok, move the fonts drawer to dh1: and add this to your startup-sequence Assign >NIL: Fonts: DH1:Fonts That will make your amiga look for fonts on DH1 insted of DH0. See ya. -- Manta Soft - Amiga programing & web page designing Http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Gold/1713/ ICQ: 21829166 - --------------------- Quote of the day: ---------------------- - I think that God in creating man somewhat overestimated his ability. -- Oscar Wilde ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Help support ONElist, while generating interest in your product or service. 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Visit http://www.onelist.com/advert.html for more information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From a.paynter@zoo.co.uk Fri Dec 11 20:44:47 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--791-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Fri Dec 11 19:51:16 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:51:16 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.135.253] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:51:15 0000 Received: (qmail 18629 invoked by alias); 11 Dec 1998 19:51:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 18493 invoked from network); 11 Dec 1998 19:51:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO zoo4.zoo.co.uk) (194.216.59.4) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 1998 19:51:17 -0000 Received: from zoo.co.uk (z8001149@d5-58.dialup.zoo.co.uk [193.192.66.58]) by zoo4.zoo.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA04468 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:51:01 GMT From: Alan Paynter To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:44:47 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: WLCC Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Hard drive space From: Alan Paynter Hi Terry On 11-Dec-98, Terry Davis wrote: > From: "Terry Davis" > > Hi > I am a relative novice with computers, so this is probably a silly > question but here goes. > I see that I have nearly 2meg of fonts in DH0. If I could move them to > DH1 this would give me a lot of breathing space. > My question is does the computer look in the fonts draw at it needs > fonts or are they just stored there to bring into programms as I > require them. If I moved them out of DH0 would the computer crash and > not start up. I thought I had better ask before I did something I > would regret. Copy the whole of the fonts drawer to HD1: Edit your startup-sequence where is says assign FONTS SYS:fonts to: Assign FONTS: DH1:fonts Either remove assign and re-assign by hand, or easier: Reboot computer. Then you will be able to delete the whole of thw SYS:fonts drawer (DH0) without complaints about "Object in use" etc. -- Regards, Alan Paynter ICQ 23921198 Chairman, West London Computer Club Amiga A1260/50Tower, PPC 603e-166Mhz 6.0 Gb Hard Drives + Power Flyer SurfSquirrel, Zip Drive, 33.6 Modem, Yamaha 400t CD Writer, Atapi 32x CD ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Help support ONElist, while generating interest in your product or service. ONElist has a variety of advertising packages. Visit http://www.onelist.com/advert.html for more information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From majik@tig.com.au Fri Dec 11 21:18:20 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--792-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Fri Dec 11 20:20:09 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:20:09 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.31] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:20:08 0000 Received: (qmail 28384 invoked by alias); 11 Dec 1998 20:20:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 28332 invoked from network); 11 Dec 1998 20:20:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp1.tig.com.au) (209.76.102.2) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 1998 20:20:17 -0000 Received: from tig.com.au (p26-max4.syd.ihug.com.au [207.214.7.218]) by smtp1.tig.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA25041 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 07:19:51 +1100 From: Steve To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 07:18:20 +1100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0Preview6 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Hard drive space From: Steve Hello Alan On 12-Dec-98, you wrote: > From: Alan Paynter > > Hi Terry > > On 11-Dec-98, Terry Davis wrote: >> From: "Terry Davis" >> >> Hi >> I am a relative novice with computers, so this is probably a silly >> question but here goes. > >> I see that I have nearly 2meg of fonts in DH0. If I could move them to >> DH1 this would give me a lot of breathing space. >> My question is does the computer look in the fonts draw at it needs >> fonts or are they just stored there to bring into programms as I >> require them. If I moved them out of DH0 would the computer crash and >> not start up. I thought I had better ask before I did something I >> would regret. > > Copy the whole of the fonts drawer to HD1: Edit your startup-sequence where > is says assign FONTS SYS:fonts to: Assign FONTS: DH1:fonts Either remove > assign and re-assign by hand, or easier: Reboot computer. Then you will be > able to delete the whole of thw SYS:fonts drawer (DH0) without complaints > about "Object in use" etc. > No need for reboot, in cli type : ##assign fonts:remove# then edit startup-sequence, then move the fonts drawer, then just reassign it again, #assign fonts dh1:fonts# ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Help support ONElist, while generating interest in your product or service. ONElist has a variety of advertising packages. Visit http://www.onelist.com/advert.html for more information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From Terry@fuchsia.prestel.co.uk Fri Dec 11 23:51:03 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--794-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Fri Dec 11 22:54:01 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Fri, 11 Dec 1998 22:54:01 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.135.229] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Fri, 11 Dec 1998 22:54:00 0000 Received: (qmail 18317 invoked by alias); 11 Dec 1998 22:53:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 18136 invoked from network); 11 Dec 1998 22:53:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pa.scotland.net) (194.247.65.132) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 1998 22:53:23 -0000 Received: from [148.176.238.115] (helo=e2c10p51.scotland.net ident=prs16640) by pa.scotland.net with smtp (Exim 1.90 #4) for just-amiga@onelist.com id 0zobRQ-0007Be-00; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 22:53:44 +0000 From: "Terry Davis" Organization: Private user Date: 11 Dec 98 22:51:03 +0000 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: To: just-amiga@onelist.com X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS NC 1.0a Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Hard drive space From: "Terry Davis" > Hi > I am a relative novice with computers, so this is probably a silly > question but here goes. > I only have a 170meg hard drive of which 10meg is devoted to Workbench > DH0. This partition is almost completely full........... Hi again Thanks for your help You learn something new every day. I have now saved 2megs out of 10. Thanks again. Terry. -- Terry Davis Terry@fuchsia.prestel.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Help support ONElist, while generating interest in your product or service. ONElist has a variety of advertising packages. Visit http://www.onelist.com/advert.html for more information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From lairfight@softhome.net Sat Dec 12 00:25:53 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--795-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Fri Dec 11 23:31:12 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Fri, 11 Dec 1998 23:31:12 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.135.253] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Fri, 11 Dec 1998 23:31:12 0000 Received: (qmail 30278 invoked by alias); 11 Dec 1998 23:31:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 30253 invoked from network); 11 Dec 1998 23:31:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO softhome.net) (204.144.231.41) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 1998 23:31:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 10172 invoked by uid 417); 11 Dec 1998 23:48:15 -0000 Received: from t1o68p89.telia.com (HELO softhome.net) (62.20.138.89) by smtp.softhome.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 1998 23:48:15 -0000 From: Linus Akesson To: Terry Davis Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 00:25:53 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Hard drive space From: Linus Akesson On 11-Dec-98, Terry Davis wrote: > If I moved them out of DH0 would the computer crash and >not start up. I thought I had better ask before I did something I >would regret. >Thanks in anticipation. >Terry Well well.. isn't it a crazy, PC-dominated world we're living in. =) I mean, one of the great things about Amiga according to me is the fact that they still work without a harddisk, without software (except what's in ROM), and without helplines. Off topic? Perhaps.. =) Linus .- Linus Akesson `--- lairfight@softhome.net -+- http://fly.to/linus.world --- aMiG!A ruleZ - I no longer fear Hell, for I have used Windows. --> MrCookie v1.1 (text/misc/MrCookie.lha) <--- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Help support ONElist, while generating interest in your product or service. ONElist has a variety of advertising packages. Visit http://www.onelist.com/advert.html for more information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From bigken@nationwideisp.net Sat Dec 12 02:18:29 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--798-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 12 02:20:15 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 02:20:15 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.209] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 02:20:15 0000 Received: (qmail 31213 invoked by alias); 12 Dec 1998 02:21:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 31204 invoked from network); 12 Dec 1998 02:21:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maple) (194.73.73.163) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 1998 02:21:40 -0000 Received: from nationwideisp.net [155.192.224.187] by maple with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0zoeaA-0007Yn-00; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 02:14:59 +0000 From: Ken Walsh To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 02:18:29 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0Preview6 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Home Use Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Hard drive space From: Ken Walsh On 11-Dec-98, Terry Davis wrote: > I am a relative novice with computers, so this is probably a silly > question but here goes. > I only have a 170meg hard drive of which 10meg is devoted to Workbench > DH0. This partition is almost completely full. Don't worry i've asked worse. I know this has been answered so your OK but when if you ever repartition (or get bigger HD) make that SYS: bigger as your finding out It don't half fill up. I started out with 10Mb then moved to 20 then 25 now its 54Mb. Cheers all the best Ken Walsh ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Help support ONElist, while generating interest in your product or service. ONElist has a variety of advertising packages. Visit http://www.onelist.com/advert.html for more information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From colstv@hotkey.net.au Sat Dec 12 07:30:38 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--799-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 12 13:40:45 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 13:40:45 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 13:40:44 0000 Received: from onelist.com by relay7.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.205]) id QQftkd22502; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 01:54:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 22126 invoked by alias); 12 Dec 1998 06:52:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 22115 invoked from network); 12 Dec 1998 06:52:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au) (203.37.241.194) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 1998 06:52:42 -0000 Received: from hotkey.net.au (maroochydore-as-dial-2.qld.hotkey.net.au [203.37.241.197]) by maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA08392 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 17:53:57 +1100 (EST) From: Colin Wenzel To: Chris Seward Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 16:30:38 +1000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Mobile Phone -> Modem cable anyone? From: Colin Wenzel On 10-Dec-98, Chris Seward wrote: >From: "Chris Seward" >Does anyone know anything about using a modem with a mobile phone? >I have an Ericsson GA628 phone which is data and fax compatible and >an external 33600bps Dynalink modem connected to my Amiga, -snip- Sorry Chris, but the data rate that digital mobile phones use is about 9600 bd. Thats why they sound so terrible... Analogue phones however, might afford some better results... But I have no idea how to do it other than an accoustic coupler. -------------------------------------------- Colin Wenzel. Australia. | | Email: colstv@hotkey.net.au | URL: http://www.hotkey.net.au/~colstv/ | ICQ: #17608330 | | 'AMIGA' 4000T With CyberStorm-III 68060/50 | 150Mb RAM. | -------------------------------------------- AMIGA makes it possible ! | -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From colstv@hotkey.net.au Sat Dec 12 07:38:27 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--800-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 12 13:40:43 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 13:40:43 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 13:40:43 0000 Received: from onelist.com by relay7.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.207]) id QQftkd22607; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 01:54:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 24494 invoked by alias); 12 Dec 1998 07:54:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 24485 invoked from network); 12 Dec 1998 07:54:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au) (203.37.241.194) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 1998 07:54:05 -0000 Received: from hotkey.net.au (maroochydore-as-dial-2.qld.hotkey.net.au [203.37.241.197]) by maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA08408 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 17:54:18 +1100 (EST) From: Colin Wenzel To: Terry Davis Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 16:38:27 +1000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Hard drive space From: Colin Wenzel On 12-Dec-98, Terry Davis wrote: >From: "Terry Davis" >Hi, I am a relative novice with computers, so this is probably a silly >question but here goes. >I only have a 170meg hard drive of which 10meg is devoted to Workbench >DH0. This partition is almost completely full. This may be a bit obvious but..... Have you actually considered buying a bigger drive ????? I sell 2.1 gig seagate drives in OZ for $170, its not worth the mucking around for just a few quid.... -------------------------------------------- Colin Wenzel. Australia. | | Email: colstv@hotkey.net.au | URL: http://www.hotkey.net.au/~colstv/ | ICQ: #17608330 | | 'AMIGA' 4000T With CyberStorm-III 68060/50 | 150Mb RAM. | -------------------------------------------- AMIGA makes it possible ! | -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Help support ONElist, while generating interest in your product or service. ONElist has a variety of advertising packages. Visit http://www.onelist.com/advert.html for more information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From mash@myamiga.freeserve.co.uk Sat Dec 12 14:03:32 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--810-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 12 22:51:11 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 22:51:11 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.205] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 22:51:11 0000 Received: (qmail 21712 invoked by alias); 12 Dec 1998 22:49:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 21595 invoked from network); 12 Dec 1998 22:49:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail6.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.212) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 1998 22:49:36 -0000 Received: from modem-122.bismuth.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.41.122] helo=myamiga.freeserve.co.uk ident=Mash) by mail6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05iplimit-2 #5) id 0zoxsH-0005h9-00 for just-amiga@onelist.com; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 22:50:58 +0000 From: Matthew O'Neill To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 14:03:32 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0Preview6 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Fluffy Things Inc. Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Hard drive space From: Matthew O'Neill Hi Colin On 12-Dec-98, you wrote: > This may be a bit obvious but..... > Have you actually considered buying a bigger drive ????? Well a bigger drive would help him alot.. > I sell 2.1 gig seagate drives in OZ for $170, > its not worth the mucking around for just a few quid.... ahh come on!, you're trying to sell him something by telling him it's not worth the risk?? There is no risk! Just change the name of the directory in the startup-sequence and it works fine!. Even if he gets it wrong then he won't be frying anything! Regards -- "One World, One Web, One Program" - Microsoft Promotional Ad "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer" - Adolf Hitler HTTP://www.myamiga.freeserve.co.uk/ Matthew O'Neill ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From amiga@thefree.net Sat Dec 12 14:09:52 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--801-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 12 14:09:50 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 14:09:50 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.207] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 14:09:49 0000 Received: (qmail 17018 invoked by alias); 12 Dec 1998 15:09:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 17012 invoked from network); 12 Dec 1998 15:09:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.thefree.net) (195.34.192.14) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 1998 15:09:22 -0000 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 14:09:45 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from thefree.net [195.34.195.111] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 14:09:43 0000 From: "Chris Seward" To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 14:09:52 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Mobile Phone -> Modem cable anyone? From: "Chris Seward" On 12-Dec-98, you wrote: > Analogue phones however, might afford some better results... > But I have no idea how to do it other than an accoustic coupler. I sold my analogue phone because the reception was terible, I can't see how they would work at all on a modem. The signal is to poor with analogue phones, surely digital is much better? -- Chris Seward Email : amiga@thefree.net Editor of Amiga Information Online Phone : +44 (0)7887 664 915 http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/ Aminet : Docs/Mags/AIOV??.lha Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List: www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Help support ONElist, while generating interest in your product or service. ONElist has a variety of advertising packages. Visit http://www.onelist.com/advert.html for more information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From tom.hurst@clara.net Sat Dec 12 14:40:10 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--804-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 12 16:34:44 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 16:34:44 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.159] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 16:34:42 0000 Received: (qmail 4029 invoked by alias); 12 Dec 1998 16:42:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 4008 invoked from network); 12 Dec 1998 16:42:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO remus.clara.net) (195.8.69.79) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 1998 16:42:53 -0000 Received: from clara.net (Tom@du-028-0148.claranet.co.uk [195.8.86.148]) by remus.clara.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA10443 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 16:34:28 GMT (envelope-from tom.hurst@clara.net) From: Thomas Hurst To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 13:40:10 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: AmiSITE -> http://surf.to/amisite <- AmiSITE Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: *Internet accounts stolen* From: Thomas Hurst Hi! On 07-Dec-98, Chris Seward wrote: > A serious mater is over 700 internet login and passwords have been > stolen by someone who is unknown, Holger Kruse has released a text > about it and it can be found on the NordicGlobal site. They have been > stolen by using a fake version of the datatypes.lib. I don't have the > full details but anyone who is unsure is advised to change their > password, the list is known to be doing the rounds on some BBS's. Regardless of whether you are on this list or not, change your passwords anyway - it is unlikely to be the only list. In fact, really, you should change your password monthsly - breakins to ISP servers are more common than you might think. Regards Tom -- *AmiSITE: http://surf.to/amisite* A1200T 040@25 603p@166 32MB V90 850MB+2.5GB HD 24X CDRom P200MMX 64MB 4.3GB HD 32X CDRom ICQ:17701673 tom_hurst@geocities.com IRC:"Freaky" -- Pentium instruction of the day: BTW: Branch on Third Wednesday ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Help support ONElist, while generating interest in your product or service. ONElist has a variety of advertising packages. Visit http://www.onelist.com/advert.html for more information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From tom.hurst@clara.net Sat Dec 12 14:43:52 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--803-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 12 16:34:40 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 16:34:40 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.207] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 16:34:39 0000 Received: (qmail 12989 invoked by alias); 12 Dec 1998 17:34:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 12983 invoked from network); 12 Dec 1998 17:34:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO remus.clara.net) (195.8.69.79) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 1998 17:34:10 -0000 Received: from clara.net (Tom@du-028-0148.claranet.co.uk [195.8.86.148]) by remus.clara.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA10453 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 16:34:29 GMT (envelope-from tom.hurst@clara.net) From: Thomas Hurst To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 13:43:52 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: AmiSITE -> http://surf.to/amisite <- AmiSITE Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Hard drive space From: Thomas Hurst Hi! On 12-Dec-98, Ken Walsh wrote: > On 11-Dec-98, Terry Davis wrote: >> I only have a 170meg hard drive of which 10meg is devoted to Workbench >> DH0. This partition is almost completely full. > > Don't worry i've asked worse. I know this has been answered so your OK but > when if you ever repartition (or get bigger HD) make that SYS: bigger as > your finding out It don't half fill up. I started out with 10Mb then > moved to 20 then 25 now its 54Mb. 20.Workbench:> info Mounted disks: Unit Size Used Free Full Errs Status Name DH0: 50M 102710 104 100% 0 Read/Write Workbench DH3: 503M 1009794 21198 98% 0 Read/Write Smart DH1: 200M 406420 3834 99% 0 Read/Write Games DH2: 559M 1141399 4695 100% 0 Read/Write Apps DH4: 1003M 588251 1466177 29% 0 Read/Write MoreWork DH5: 938M 240346 1680837 13% 0 Read/Write MoreApps As you can see, my WB partition is 50MB, and I only have about 50K free :) My new HD has rather a lot more space, but I haven't yet started using it as much as I should... Regards Tom -- *AmiSITE: http://surf.to/amisite* A1200T 040@25 603p@166 32MB V90 850MB+2.5GB HD 24X CDRom P200MMX 64MB 4.3GB HD 32X CDRom ICQ:17701673 tom_hurst@geocities.com IRC:"Freaky" -- BEER.COM not found. [G]o to bed [R]un to store [P]ass out here. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From colstv@hotkey.net.au Sat Dec 12 17:08:41 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--802-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 12 16:10:34 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 16:10:34 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.209] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 16:10:33 0000 Received: (qmail 3282 invoked by alias); 12 Dec 1998 16:12:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 3274 invoked from network); 12 Dec 1998 16:12:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au) (203.37.241.194) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 1998 16:12:00 -0000 Received: from hotkey.net.au (maroochydore-as-dial-3.qld.hotkey.net.au [203.37.241.198]) by maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA15549 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 03:10:13 +1100 (EST) From: Colin Wenzel To: Chris Seward Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 02:08:41 +1000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Mobile Phone -> Modem cable anyone? From: Colin Wenzel On 12-Dec-98, Chris Seward wrote: >From: "Chris Seward" >On 12-Dec-98, you wrote: >> Analogue phones however, might afford some better results... >> But I have no idea how to do it other than an accoustic coupler. >I sold my analogue phone because the reception was terible, >I can't see how they would work at all on a modem. The signal is >to poor with analogue phones, surely digital is much better? >-- >Chris Seward Email : amiga@thefree.net >Editor of Amiga Information Online Phone : +44 (0)7887 664 915 >http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/ Aminet : Docs/Mags/AIOV??.lha >Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List: www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I don't know what the situation is like in the UK, but Australia is REAL BIG !!!! The Analogue system is rock solid here, only recently the digital system has been introduced, I could urinate further than the range those phones afford, plus, they break up & give you: bl-dy hor-ble so-nding pho-e cal-s. The analogue system may get a bit crackly when you are pushing the range but you can still use it.... As I said on a previous email... The digital system uses 9600 bd data rate. (In OZ, I believe.) -------------------------------------------- Colin Wenzel. Australia. | | Email: colstv@hotkey.net.au | URL: http://www.hotkey.net.au/~colstv/ | ICQ: #17608330 | | 'AMIGA' 4000T With CyberStorm-III 68060/50 | 150Mb RAM. | -------------------------------------------- AMIGA makes it possible ! | -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Help support ONElist, while generating interest in your product or service. ONElist has a variety of advertising packages. Visit http://www.onelist.com/advert.html for more information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From amiga@thefree.net Sat Dec 12 19:07:47 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--806-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 12 21:06:46 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 21:06:46 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.31] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 21:06:46 0000 Received: (qmail 9324 invoked by alias); 12 Dec 1998 21:06:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 9228 invoked from network); 12 Dec 1998 21:06:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.thefree.net) (195.34.192.14) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 1998 21:06:56 -0000 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 21:06:40 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from thefree.net [195.34.195.94] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 21:06:39 0000 From: "Chris Seward" To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 19:07:47 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] OloFight (fwd) From: "Chris Seward" An email I received about Olofight, check out their pages if you are interested, or read AIO issue 19 next week for a *FULL* review. *** FORWARDED MESSAGE *** Original author: Fabrizio Stoduto Written on: 11-Dec-98 *** Beginning of forwarded message *** Dear sirs, Promotional renders and snapshots of OloFight are available at: http://www.ologram.com/OloFight_snaps.lha http://www.ologram.com/Cover.jpg http://www.ologram.com/001.jpg http://www.ologram.com/002.jpg http://www.ologram.com/003.jpg http://www.ologram.com/TitlePic.IFF24 Best regards The Real Ologram Fabrizio Stoduto E-mail ologram@ologram.com Web site http://www.ologram.com *** End of forwarded message *** Merry Christmas! -- Chris Seward Email : amiga@thefree.net Editor of Amiga Information Online Phone : +44 (0)7887 664 915 http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/ Aminet : Docs/Mags/AIOV??.lha Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List: www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From amiga@thefree.net Sat Dec 12 19:15:38 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--807-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 12 21:06:50 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 21:06:50 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.31] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 21:06:49 0000 Received: (qmail 9550 invoked by alias); 12 Dec 1998 21:07:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 9428 invoked from network); 12 Dec 1998 21:07:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.thefree.net) (195.34.192.14) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 1998 21:07:00 -0000 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 21:06:44 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from thefree.net [195.34.195.94] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 21:06:42 0000 From: "Chris Seward" To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 19:15:38 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Subject: [just-amiga] AIO issue 19 will be featuring.... From: "Chris Seward" Preview of issue 19 contents :- · FULL new GUI · Interview with Stuart Walker/Digital Images · FULL review of Olofight (new commercial beat-em-up) · News from around the world, inc. Amiga and QNX details, Settlers 2 info, clickBOOM news23, Amiga internet accounts stolen news and more · FULL review of PFS 2 (*) · FULL review of Genetic Species (*) · FULL review of TechnoDataBase98 · Many games, utilities reviews · Lots of interesting articles! Don't miss it : *19th December 1998* Get it first from : *WWW : *http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/ *Aminet : *docs/mags/aiov19.lha (*) = Subject to change Merry Christmas! -- Chris Seward Email : amiga@thefree.net Editor of Amiga Information Online Phone : +44 (0)7887 664 915 http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/ Aminet : Docs/Mags/AIOV??.lha Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List: www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga ------------------------------------------------------------------------ At last! The perfect gifts for baseball fans...or anyone. Merchandise from the Sonoma County Crushers, champions of the Western Baseball League (USA). Go to http://www.icatmall.com/crushers ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From amiga@thefree.net Sat Dec 12 19:22:24 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--808-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 12 21:06:54 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 21:06:54 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.31] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 21:06:53 0000 Received: (qmail 9604 invoked by alias); 12 Dec 1998 21:07:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 9523 invoked from network); 12 Dec 1998 21:07:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.thefree.net) (195.34.192.14) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 1998 21:07:01 -0000 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 21:06:45 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from thefree.net [195.34.195.94] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 21:06:44 0000 From: "Chris Seward" To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 19:22:24 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Mobile Phone -> Modem cable anyone? From: "Chris Seward" On 12-Dec-98, you wrote: > Thats why they sound so terrible... Sound so terrible? did i miss something or did you just completely cock up :)? Digital are the better, clearer reception phones, the new technology, Analogue ones are old with terrible connections? Am I right or did i just make a bigger cock up :)? Merry Christmas! -- Chris Seward Email : amiga@thefree.net Editor of Amiga Information Online Phone : +44 (0)7887 664 915 http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/ Aminet : Docs/Mags/AIOV??.lha Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List: www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga ------------------------------------------------------------------------ At last! The perfect gifts for baseball fans...or anyone. Merchandise from the Sonoma County Crushers, champions of the Western Baseball League (USA). Go to http://www.icatmall.com/crushers ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From syzygy@sunlink.net Sat Dec 12 21:11:24 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--805-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 12 20:11:38 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 20:11:38 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.135.229] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 20:11:37 0000 Received: (qmail 11458 invoked by alias); 12 Dec 1998 20:11:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 11446 invoked from network); 12 Dec 1998 20:11:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO earth.sunlink.net) (204.170.191.1) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 1998 20:11:03 -0000 Received: from jupiter.sunlink.net (syzygy@jupiter.sunlink.net [204.170.191.12]) by earth.sunlink.net (1.8.18/1.8.18) with ESMTP id PAA00794; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 15:11:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 15:11:24 -0500 (EST) From: Nano To: Amiga Universe ML cc: Just Amiga ML Message-ID: Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [just-amiga] C|Net From: Nano My apologies if this has already been posted. This caught my eye and gave me a small smile. I know C|Net have covered the Amiga in the past, but seeing another little article lit up my eyes. It's an article called Where Are They Now. It ranks the top 10 products / names of yesteryear. We didn't make #1, but hey, we are in there. =) http://www.cnet.com/Content/Reports/Trends/WhereNow/ss02.html _____ | . MUD <-Arcanum Staff---> nano@arcanum.org | . ISP <---SunLink Staff-> syzygy@sunlink.net . | . WWW <-----Home Page---> www.sunlink.net/nano . | ...................................................................... : : Alpha-> Multia:::21164@166:::64mb:::::::::::::RedHat::SCSI2 . | . Amiga-> A4000T:::68060@50:::130mb::PicassoIV::os3.1:::SCSI3 . | Mac---> 7100/66::::601@66:::128mb:::::::::::::os8.1:::SCSI2 _____! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ At last! The perfect gifts for baseball fans...or anyone. Merchandise from the Sonoma County Crushers, champions of the Western Baseball League (USA). Go to http://www.icatmall.com/crushers ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From amiga@thefree.net Sat Dec 12 21:16:59 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--809-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 12 21:16:58 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 21:16:58 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.31] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 21:16:57 0000 Received: (qmail 13987 invoked by alias); 12 Dec 1998 21:17:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 13982 invoked from network); 12 Dec 1998 21:17:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.thefree.net) (195.34.192.14) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 1998 21:17:08 -0000 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 21:16:52 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from thefree.net [195.34.195.94] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 12 Dec 1998 21:16:51 0000 From: "Chris Seward" To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 21:16:59 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Mobile Phone -> Modem cable anyone? From: "Chris Seward" On 12-Dec-98, you wrote: > I don't know what the situation is like in the UK, but Australia is > REAL BIG !!!! The Analogue system is rock solid here, only recently > the digital system has been introduced, Well obviously it is a completely different situation, the digital system is far advanced and the analogue is terible really. On digital you can phone other countrys with a good signal, i phoned canada, only 55p a min and great quality :) -- Chris Seward Email : amiga@thefree.net Editor of Amiga Information Online Phone : +44 (0)7887 664 915 http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/ Aminet : Docs/Mags/AIOV??.lha Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List: www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From colstv@hotkey.net.au Sun Dec 13 04:17:54 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--812-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sun Dec 13 03:29:21 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sun, 13 Dec 1998 03:29:21 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.205] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sun, 13 Dec 1998 03:29:21 0000 Received: (qmail 28587 invoked by alias); 13 Dec 1998 03:27:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 28558 invoked from network); 13 Dec 1998 03:27:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au) (203.37.241.194) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 1998 03:27:44 -0000 Received: from hotkey.net.au (maroochydore-as-dial-12.qld.hotkey.net.au [203.37.241.207]) by maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA24095 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 14:28:58 +1100 (EST) From: Colin Wenzel To: Chris Seward Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 13:17:54 +1000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Mobile Phone From: Colin Wenzel On 13-Dec-98, Chris Seward wrote: >From: "Chris Seward" >On 12-Dec-98, you wrote: >> Thats why they sound so terrible... >Sound so terrible? did i miss something or did you just completely >cock up :)? Digital are the better, clearer reception phones, the new >technology, Analogue ones are old with terrible connections? >Am I right or did i just make a bigger cock up :)? >Merry Christmas! >Chris Seward Email : amiga@thefree.net I suppose if you stand underneath a 200 watt cell tower they would be clearer, but that is just not going to happen in reality. In OZ, the system they use here sucks !! big-time, The analogue system is still running in tandem right now, but they are going to phase it out by 2000+?... The analogue phones might not be 'hi-fi' but you can be 80km from a cell tower & you can still get service, it might be a bit crackly but it works.... On the other hand, the digital system is being advertised as: "Better,Stronger,Faster,Higher,Lower,Cheaper,Dearer,Wonderfuller,Betterer" Plus any other superlatives you can think of or make up... But OZ is a BiiiiiiG country, to can drive for 100km just to get a packet of cigarettes & some milk ... And thats IN TOWN.... The digital phones: break up, mute up, drop out, make burping noises, hang up, squeel & sound like you're talking in the channel tunnel. (with your head in a bucket.) I don't think the infrastructure is setup for digital in this country, it is fine in the cities, but there are only a few of them. As soon as you get out in 'The Sticks' you might as well set fire to the damn phone & use it for smoke signals.... Or as a projectile to kill lunch.... -------------------------------------------- Colin Wenzel. Australia. | | Email: colstv@hotkey.net.au | URL: http://www.hotkey.net.au/~colstv/ | ICQ: #17608330 | | 'AMIGA' 4000T With CyberStorm-III 68060/50 | 150Mb RAM. | -------------------------------------------- AMIGA makes it possible ! | -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ At last! The perfect gifts for baseball fans...or anyone. Merchandise from the Sonoma County Crushers, champions of the Western Baseball League (USA). Go to http://www.icatmall.com/crushers ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From colstv@hotkey.net.au Sun Dec 13 04:27:07 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--813-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sun Dec 13 03:29:22 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sun, 13 Dec 1998 03:29:22 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.207] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sun, 13 Dec 1998 03:29:22 0000 Received: (qmail 12019 invoked by alias); 13 Dec 1998 04:28:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 11997 invoked from network); 13 Dec 1998 04:28:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au) (203.37.241.194) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 1998 04:28:47 -0000 Received: from hotkey.net.au (maroochydore-as-dial-12.qld.hotkey.net.au [203.37.241.207]) by maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA24100 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 14:29:01 +1100 (EST) From: Colin Wenzel To: "Matthew O'Neill" Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 13:27:07 +1000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Hard drive space From: Colin Wenzel On 12-Dec-98, Matthew O'Neill wrote: >mo> Hi Colin ..Howdee !! >cw>On 12-Dec-98, you wrote: >cw> This may be a bit obvious but..... >cw> Have you actually considered buying a bigger drive ????? >mo> Well a bigger drive would help him alot.. ..Agreed, then he wouldn't have to worry about space. >cw> I sell 2.1 gig seagate drives in OZ for $170, >cw> its not worth the mucking around for just a few quid.... ..Heres where it gets scary.... >mo> ahh come on!, you're trying to sell him something by telling him it's >mo> not worth the risk?? There is no risk! Just change the name of the >mo> directory in the startup-sequence and it works fine!. >mo> Even if he gets it wrong then he won't be frying anything! ..HUH ??, Sell, Risk, No Risk, Fry.... .. Sorry, but I must have missed something here, or, have I just stepped in from the twilight zone... do,be,do,do - do,be,do,do... .. If you jump to conclusions any higher, you might hit your head on the ceiling..... .. I was not offering to sell anything, as if I would ship a harddrive to england..... .. He could use it as a paper weight, by the time OZ post finished with it. -------------------------------------------- Colin Wenzel. Australia. | | Email: colstv@hotkey.net.au | URL: http://www.hotkey.net.au/~colstv/ | ICQ: #17608330 | | 'AMIGA' 4000T With CyberStorm-III 68060/50 | 150Mb RAM. | -------------------------------------------- AMIGA makes it possible ! | -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From gpeake@wt.net Sun Dec 13 05:53:11 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--814-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sun Dec 13 21:58:21 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sun, 13 Dec 1998 21:58:21 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from relay6.UU.NET [192.48.96.16] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sun, 13 Dec 1998 21:58:21 0000 Received: from onelist.com by relay6.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.31]) id QQftnp23986; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 00:22:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 30837 invoked by alias); 13 Dec 1998 05:22:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 30827 invoked from network); 13 Dec 1998 05:22:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sys32.hou.wt.net) (205.230.159.32) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 1998 05:22:34 -0000 Received: from 216-119-130-84.ipset10.wt.net (216-119-130-84.ipset10.wt.net [216.119.130.84]) by sys32.hou.wt.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA17531 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 23:34:33 -0600 (CST) Date: 12 Dec 98 22:53:11 -0600 From: "Gary Peake" To: "Tim Corringham" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <799.650T551T13732423gpeake@wt.net> X-Organization: Team AMIGA X-Url: http://www.owlnet.net X-Mailer: THOR 2.6 Jupiter (Amiga;TCP/IP) Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Team Amiga From: "Gary Peake" tim@ramjam.u-net.com scribed to us about [just-amiga] Re: Team Amiga in Just_Amiga >From: tim@ramjam.u-net.com (Tim Corringham) >Hi Colin >> From: Colin Wenzel >> >> Does anyone here subscribe to the teamamiga mailing list ?? >> >> It appears to have gone quiet again, I dunno what's going on..... >> >> Anyone have any news for me... >> >I've been trying to subscribe to it for *months*. All mail to the >list server seems to be delayed, and eventually cancelled. To subscribe, send an email to: majordomo@thule.no In the message body type: subscribe teamamiga Then away you go! -- Gary Peake PLEASE NOTE NEW EMAIL ADDRESS!! Team AMIGA gpeake@owlnet.net http://www.owlnet.net (coming soon) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From gpeake@wt.net Sun Dec 13 05:54:30 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--815-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sun Dec 13 11:42:29 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sun, 13 Dec 1998 11:42:29 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sun, 13 Dec 1998 11:42:29 0000 Received: from onelist.com by relay7.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.159]) id QQftnp15997; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 00:22:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 30744 invoked by alias); 13 Dec 1998 05:30:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 30671 invoked from network); 13 Dec 1998 05:30:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sys32.hou.wt.net) (205.230.159.32) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 1998 05:30:42 -0000 Received: from 216-119-130-84.ipset10.wt.net (216-119-130-84.ipset10.wt.net [216.119.130.84]) by sys32.hou.wt.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA17537 for ; Sat, 12 Dec 1998 23:34:34 -0600 (CST) Date: 12 Dec 98 22:54:30 -0600 From: "Gary Peake" To: "Colin Wenzel" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1505.650T1501T13744149gpeake@wt.net> X-Organization: Team AMIGA X-Url: http://www.owlnet.net X-Mailer: THOR 2.6 Jupiter (Amiga;TCP/IP) Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Team Amiga From: "Gary Peake" colstv@hotkey.net.au scribed to us about [just-amiga] Re: Team Amiga in Just_Amiga >From: Colin Wenzel >On 09-Dec-98, Tim Corringham wrote: >>From: tim@ramjam.u-net.com (Tim Corringham) >>Hi Colin >>> From: Colin Wenzel >>> Does anyone here subscribe to the teamamiga mailing list ?? >>> It appears to have gone quiet again, I dunno what's going on..... >>> Anyone have any news for me... >>I've been trying to subscribe to it for *months*. All mail to the >>list server seems to be delayed, and eventually cancelled. >> Tim >I have been able to send a couple of mails to it, but have never got >any back, however, I sent a mail requiring a private reply, I >received 3 replies back, so someone is getting mail from the list. >I sent a 'subscribe teamamiga' mail to refresh my subscription, >just in case.... >But nothing happened.. !!! I even asked garry peak to look into it >but he never replied.... >I attempted to access the mailing list from the thule.no site, >but the cgi scripting is broken & the mailing list pages are broken >too. > >So whats happening --- I dunno....!! It was taken care of for you and I did send you a reply when I got back into town a couple of days ago. If you still have not gotten any msgs or my reply, you may have an isp problem? -- Gary Peake PLEASE NOTE NEW EMAIL ADDRESS!! Team AMIGA gpeake@owlnet.net http://www.owlnet.net (coming soon) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ At last! The perfect gifts for baseball fans...or anyone. Merchandise from the Sonoma County Crushers, champions of the Western Baseball League (USA). Go to http://www.icatmall.com/crushers ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From hotcakes@abacus.net.au Sun Dec 13 06:42:58 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--811-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sun Dec 13 00:14:15 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sun, 13 Dec 1998 00:14:15 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.135.229] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sun, 13 Dec 1998 00:14:14 0000 Received: (qmail 5182 invoked by alias); 13 Dec 1998 00:13:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 5009 invoked from network); 13 Dec 1998 00:13:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO a1bbs.abacus.net.au) (203.32.176.30) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 1998 00:13:35 -0000 Received: from [203.32.176.37] by abacus.net.au id 558d0.wrk; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 10:44:28 EDT From: Toby Zuijdveld To: Chris Seward Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 10:42:58 +0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Res=A1stance?= Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Subject: [just-amiga] Re: *Internet accounts stolen* From: Toby Zuijdveld On 08-Dec-98, Chris Seward set out across the seas with this message: ->A serious mater is over 700 internet login and passwords have been ->stolen by someone who is unknown, Holger Kruse has released a text ->about it and it can be found on the NordicGlobal site. They have been ->stolen by using a fake version of the datatypes.lib. I don't have the ->full details but anyone who is unsure is advised to change their ->password, the list is known to be doing the rounds on some BBS's. The datatypes.library is version 45.5 I think (it's 45.something anyway) It contains a trojan which uses miami to send your details to an account on hotmail. If you have d/led a datatypes.library v45.x from a BBS inform the SysOp to take it offline! I think the datatype also made its way onto AmiNet. It's also a pretty good idea to use an older version ;] -- *************** *** CAT TAG *** Which one is the any key? *************** _ _ _ __ _ _ /\_ _ _________\/_________/\___ -- Toby Zuijdveld -- \____ ¬\/. ______ __/ | ) _/\____ \/ \ -EMail : mailto:hotcakes@abacus.net.au- |! | ¬\ \ \\ \\ - HTTP : http://abacus.net.au/hotcakes |___| //_____ //___ // [ Last updated : 08·12·98 ] !___/ \/DTN.\/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From bill.eaves@zetnet.co.uk Sun Dec 13 17:27:20 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--816-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sun Dec 13 16:30:32 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sun, 13 Dec 1998 16:30:32 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.207] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sun, 13 Dec 1998 16:30:31 0000 Received: (qmail 22376 invoked by alias); 13 Dec 1998 17:30:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 22371 invoked from network); 13 Dec 1998 17:30:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO praseodumium.btinternet.com) (194.73.73.82) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 1998 17:30:01 -0000 Received: from support-1 [195.99.51.212] by praseodumium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0zpEKJ-0002Kd-00; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 16:24:59 +0000 From: bill.eaves@zetnet.co.uk To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 16:27:20 -0000 Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Message-Id: Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [just-amiga] Datatype s- Re: [just-amiga] Re: *Internet accounts stolen* From: bill.eaves@zetnet.co.uk Hi, There has been a lot mentioned recently about the false version of datatypes libraries. I am still using the original one. What would be the advantage of using v45 over v39 ? Is there any ? I tried using the proper Aminet version of v45 - the size is the OK one - but when I boot up I get the error message "Cannot find datatypes.library v39.x". So the question is what would v45 give me that v39 does not and if it is worth changing how do I get rid of the initial error message that insists I use v39 ? Regards, Bill. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From mash@myamiga.freeserve.co.uk Sun Dec 13 18:04:50 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--817-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sun Dec 13 18:52:58 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sun, 13 Dec 1998 18:52:58 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.159] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sun, 13 Dec 1998 18:52:58 0000 Received: (qmail 15242 invoked by alias); 13 Dec 1998 19:01:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 15231 invoked from network); 13 Dec 1998 19:01:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail5.svr.pol.co.uk) (194.152.65.212) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 1998 19:01:22 -0000 Received: from modem-42.francium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.43.42] helo=myamiga.freeserve.co.uk ident=Mash) by mail5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05iplimit-2 #5) id 0zpGdK-0003kD-00 for just-amiga@onelist.com; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 18:52:46 +0000 From: Matthew O'Neill To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 18:04:50 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0Preview6 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Fluffy Things Inc. Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Mobile Phone -> Modem cable anyone? From: Matthew O'Neill Hi Chris On 12-Dec-98, you wrote: > Sound so terrible? did i miss something or did you just completely > cock up :)? Digital are the better, clearer reception phones, the new > technology, Analogue ones are old with terrible connections? Just because everyone is running around saying "woo, look it's digital, therefore it must be better!!" don't listen to it! Which is clearer, a sond sample on your computer or the actual person standing there? the person is anologue, the comp is digital > Am I right or did i just make a bigger cock up :)? I'll say nothing.. -- Proofread carefully to see if you any words out. HTTP://www.myamiga.freeserve.co.uk/ Matthew O'Neill ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From ragnar.fyri@daf.no Sun Dec 13 19:50:38 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--819-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sun Dec 13 21:00:43 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sun, 13 Dec 1998 21:00:43 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.207] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sun, 13 Dec 1998 21:00:42 0000 Received: (qmail 26716 invoked by alias); 13 Dec 1998 22:00:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 26704 invoked from network); 13 Dec 1998 22:00:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO login-2.eunet.no) (193.71.71.239) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 1998 22:00:07 -0000 Received: from daf.no (rfyri@pc15.pm2-3.eunet.no [193.71.251.15]) by login-2.eunet.no (8.9.0/8.9.0/GN) with SMTP id UAA25130 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 20:54:14 +0100 (CET) From: Ragnar Fyri To: Colin Wenzel Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 19:50:38 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Mobile Phone From: Ragnar Fyri 'Twas the night before 13-Dec-98, and all through the net, not a creature was stirring, except for Colin, who whispered ominously: >On the other hand, the digital system is being advertised as: >"Better,Stronger,Faster,Higher,Lower,Cheaper,Dearer,Wonderfuller,Betterer" >Plus any other superlatives you can think of or make up... Betterer? Must be a super-superlative... ;) -- We'll be right back after these messages. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ At last! The perfect gifts for baseball fans...or anyone. Merchandise from the Sonoma County Crushers, champions of the Western Baseball League (USA). Go to http://www.icatmall.com/crushers ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From Ps6666@aol.com Sun Dec 13 21:14:17 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--818-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sun Dec 13 20:14:52 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sun, 13 Dec 1998 20:14:52 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.135.229] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sun, 13 Dec 1998 20:14:51 0000 Received: (qmail 12420 invoked by alias); 13 Dec 1998 20:14:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 12415 invoked from network); 13 Dec 1998 20:14:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo12.mx.aol.com) (198.81.17.2) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 1998 20:14:14 -0000 Received: from Ps6666@aol.com by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id PGHQa07665 for ; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 15:14:17 -0500 (EST) From: Ps6666@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 15:14:17 EST To: just-amiga@onelist.com X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 154 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Hard drive space From: Ps6666@aol.com Moving fonts is not a major problem as workbench mainly uses 1 or 2 fonts, usually courier. Most times a program will throw up a requester box asking for the font and you usually can just press cancel and the system uses a default font. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ At last! The perfect gifts for baseball fans...or anyone. Merchandise from the Sonoma County Crushers, champions of the Western Baseball League (USA). Go to http://www.icatmall.com/crushers ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From kwdjc@wf.net Mon Dec 14 01:38:02 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--821-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Mon Dec 14 01:38:56 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 01:38:56 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.13] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 01:38:56 0000 Received: (qmail 28608 invoked by alias); 15 Dec 1998 02:35:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 28500 invoked from network); 15 Dec 1998 02:35:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wf.net) (208.129.168.4) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 1998 02:35:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 23319 invoked from network); 13 Dec 1998 19:38:39 -0600 Received: from mw-pm2-30.wf.net (HELO wf.net) (208.134.151.69) by odin.wf.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 1998 19:38:39 -0600 From: Kenneth Craig To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 19:38:02 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0Preview6 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Datatype s- Re: [just-amiga] Re: *Internet accounts stolen* From: Kenneth Craig Hello Toby On 14-Dec-98, Toby Zuijdveld wrote: > From: Toby Zuijdveld > > On 13-Dec-98, bill.eaves@zetnet.co.uk set out across the seas with this > message: > > ->I tried using the proper Aminet version of v45 - the size is the OK > ->but when I boot up I get the error message "Cannot find > ->v39.x". > I had the same problem while I was using TermiteTCP. For some reason it demanded V39. If you are using TTCP that could be the problem. After I switched to Miami this message was gone. > Hmmm you *sure* it's not the trojan one? That sounds awefully wrong... > > Hex-read the file and search for keywords "miami" or "hotmail" - I can't > remember if they were encrypted or not... I guess they probably were =] > Regards -- I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals. -- Winston Churchill Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List: www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga "Actually, I'm sitting on my butt staring at a computer screen." kwdjc@wf.net _ kwc@mailexcite.com ~0 (_| |(_~|^~~| TT/_ T"T jgs^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From andy.k2@ukonline.co.uk Mon Dec 14 02:30:37 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--822-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Mon Dec 14 01:49:03 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 01:49:03 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.205] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 01:49:02 0000 Received: (qmail 18502 invoked by alias); 14 Dec 1998 01:47:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 18496 invoked from network); 14 Dec 1998 01:47:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO borusa.noc.easynet.net) (195.40.1.224) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 1998 01:47:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 11143 invoked from network); 14 Dec 1998 01:48:40 -0000 Received: from hertz.ukonline.co.uk (195.40.112.13) by borusa.noc.easynet.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 1998 01:48:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 2504 invoked from network); 14 Dec 1998 02:06:02 -0000 Received: from tnt-1-8.easynet.co.uk (andy.k2@195.40.206.8) by hertz.ukonline.co.uk with SMTP; 14 Dec 1998 02:06:02 -0000 From: "Andy Kinsella" Organization: Blurred Vision Date: 14 Dec 98 01:30:37 +0000 Message-Id: <36746A3D.MD-0.198.andy.k2@ukonline.co.uk> In-Reply-To: To: just-amiga@onelist.com X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS 0.198 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Mobile Phone -> Modem cable anyone? From: "Andy Kinsella" Matthew O'Neill said this... > From: Matthew O'Neill > > Hi Chris > > On 12-Dec-98, you wrote: > > > Sound so terrible? did i miss something or did you just completely > > cock up :)? Digital are the better, clearer reception phones, the new > > technology, Analogue ones are old with terrible connections? > > Just because everyone is running around saying "woo, look it's digital, > therefore it must be better!!" don't listen to it! Which is clearer, a sond > sample on your computer or the actual person standing there? the person is > anologue, the comp is digital Of course there's the problem of the local radio buff listening to calls made on analogue phones... That includes cordless phones you may use...1600-1800Khz FM That's one good reason for using digital 8) -- Regards, Andy. *F U B A R* @ http://www.q-soft.demon.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From hotcakes@abacus.net.au Mon Dec 14 07:25:13 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--820-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Mon Dec 14 00:56:38 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 00:56:38 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.31] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 00:56:38 0000 Received: (qmail 3091 invoked by alias); 14 Dec 1998 00:56:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 2998 invoked from network); 14 Dec 1998 00:56:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO a1bbs.abacus.net.au) (203.32.176.30) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 1998 00:56:44 -0000 Received: from [203.32.176.36] by abacus.net.au id 5b570.wrk; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:26:46 EDT From: Toby Zuijdveld To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:25:13 +0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Res=A1stance?= Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Datatype s- Re: [just-amiga] Re: *Internet accounts stolen* From: Toby Zuijdveld On 13-Dec-98, bill.eaves@zetnet.co.uk set out across the seas with this message: ->I tried using the proper Aminet version of v45 - the size is the OK ->but when I boot up I get the error message "Cannot find ->v39.x". Hmmm you *sure* it's not the trojan one? That sounds awefully wrong... Hex-read the file and search for keywords "miami" or "hotmail" - I can't remember if they were encrypted or not... I guess they probably were =] -- *************** *** CAT TAG *** Have you hugged your Sysop today? *************** _ _ _ __ _ _ /\_ _ _________\/_________/\___ -- Toby Zuijdveld -- \____ ¬\/. ______ __/ | ) _/\____ \/ \ -EMail : mailto:hotcakes@abacus.net.au- |! | ¬\ \ \\ \\ - HTTP : http://abacus.net.au/hotcakes |___| //_____ //___ // [ Last updated : 08·12·98 ] !___/ \/DTN.\/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ At last! The perfect gifts for baseball fans...or anyone. Merchandise from the Sonoma County Crushers, champions of the Western Baseball League (USA). Go to http://www.icatmall.com/crushers ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From willik@bellatlantic.net Mon Dec 14 08:47:00 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--831-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Mon Dec 14 17:51:30 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:51:30 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.31] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:51:30 0000 Received: (qmail 6268 invoked by alias); 14 Dec 1998 17:51:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 6260 invoked from network); 14 Dec 1998 17:51:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) (199.45.39.61) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 1998 17:51:43 -0000 Received: from bellatlantic.net (willik@client-151-204-202-38.bellatlantic.net [151.204.202.38]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA15831 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 12:51:29 -0500 (EST) From: Willi Kusche To: Colin Wenzel Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 12:47:00 +0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Reorganizing adjacent partitions From: Willi Kusche Hello all! Sounds as if "ReOrg" ought to be modified to work on two adjacent partitions. Willi ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From bill.eaves@zetnet.co.uk Mon Dec 14 11:43:33 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--823-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Mon Dec 14 10:45:45 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:45:45 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.159] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:45:44 0000 Received: (qmail 27853 invoked by alias); 14 Dec 1998 10:54:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 27840 invoked from network); 14 Dec 1998 10:54:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rhenium.btinternet.com) (194.73.73.93) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 1998 10:54:18 -0000 Received: from mail-2 [195.99.60.185] by rhenium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0zpVSJ-0006Cg-00; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:42:24 +0000 From: bill.eaves@zetnet.co.uk To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:43:33 -0000 Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Message-Id: Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Datatype s- Re: [just-amiga] Re: *Internet accounts stolen* From: bill.eaves@zetnet.co.uk Toby Zuijdveld wrote, > ->I tried using the proper Aminet version of v45 - the size is the OK > ->but when I boot up I get the error message "Cannot find > ->v39.x". > > Hmmm you *sure* it's not the trojan one? That sounds awefully wrong... Positive, I checked the size. I think that something in my startup must be demanding a specific version of the library, I will try and find out what it is. The question is, what does v 45 have that v39 doesn't and is it worth changing anyway ? Cheers, Bill. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ At last! The perfect gifts for baseball fans...or anyone. Merchandise from the Sonoma County Crushers, champions of the Western Baseball League (USA). Go to http://www.icatmall.com/crushers ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From bill.eaves@zetnet.co.uk Mon Dec 14 11:53:02 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--824-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Mon Dec 14 10:55:13 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:55:13 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.209] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:55:12 0000 Received: (qmail 10157 invoked by alias); 14 Dec 1998 10:56:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 10152 invoked from network); 14 Dec 1998 10:56:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tantalum.btinternet.com) (194.73.73.80) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 1998 10:56:44 -0000 Received: from mail-2 [195.99.60.185] by tantalum.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0zpVd6-0002Qm-00; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:53:33 +0000 From: bill.eaves@zetnet.co.uk To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:53:02 -0000 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Message-Id: Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Datatype s From: bill.eaves@zetnet.co.uk Kenneth Craig wrote, > > ->I tried using the proper Aminet version of v45 - the size is the OK > > ->but when I boot up I get the error message "Cannot find ->v39.x". > I had the same problem while I was using TermiteTCP. For some reason it > demanded V39. If you are using TTCP that could be the problem. After I > switched to Miami this message was gone. It must be some application that is demanding that version then. I will check my commodoties and user startup as it happens during boot up. It is not TermiteTCP as I have never used it, I always use Miami. Cheers, Bill. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From 95LHSC@saltash.cornwall.sch.uk Mon Dec 14 12:03:10 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--827-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Mon Dec 14 15:37:34 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 15:37:34 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.207] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 15:37:34 0000 Received: (qmail 15318 invoked by alias); 14 Dec 1998 16:37:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 15312 invoked from network); 14 Dec 1998 16:37:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx1.rmplc.co.uk) (194.154.16.99) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 1998 16:37:02 -0000 Received: from mail.saltash.cornwall.sch.uk ([194.238.118.130]) by mx1.rmplc.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA06535 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 15:37:11 GMT Received: from [194.238.118.161] by mail.saltash.cornwall.sch.uk (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ja024371 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 15:33:12 +0000 From: "95LHSC" <95LHSC@saltash.cornwall.sch.uk> To: Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 15:33:10 +0430 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1160 Message-Id: <15331254600121@saltash.cornwall.sch.uk> Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [just-amiga] Hard Drive Space From: "95LHSC" <95LHSC@saltash.cornwall.sch.uk> In refrence to Terry Davis' post about hard drive space, is there any way to enlarge the size of a partition without having to delete another partition. I haven't tried englarging a partion, but it would be usefull to know. -- Lee Hesselden wrecker98@geocities.com http://www.zyworld.com/wrecker98/ (Index of sites) http://kool.conk.com (Personal site) -- CuRRenT aMiGA SofTwAre: ---------------------------------------------------- The Journey: [#..................] 5% Complete Cheat World DD: [################...] 80% Complete Shivering Sheep: [##################.] 95% Complete ---------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ At last! The perfect gifts for baseball fans...or anyone. Merchandise from the Sonoma County Crushers, champions of the Western Baseball League (USA). Go to http://www.icatmall.com/crushers ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From dave@lehuray.freeserve.co.uk Mon Dec 14 13:38:45 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--825-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Mon Dec 14 13:42:54 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:42:54 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.13] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:42:53 0000 Received: (qmail 2874 invoked by alias); 15 Dec 1998 14:39:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 2868 invoked from network); 15 Dec 1998 14:39:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail8.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.213) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 1998 14:39:39 -0000 Received: from modem-89.lupron.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.77.89] ident=Dave) by mail8.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05iplimit-2 #5) id 0zpYGq-0002Hx-00 for just-amiga@onelist.com; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:42:44 +0000 From: "Dave Le Huray" Organization: Personal Date: 14 Dec 98 12:38:45 +0000 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: To: just-amiga@onelist.com X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS NC 1.0a Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Hard drive space From: "Dave Le Huray" Hi Colin Wenzel, My apologies in advance for typing this slowly but I haven't learnt to use more than one finger on each hand yet ;-) However, on Sat, 12 Dec 1998 16:38:27 +1000 you talked about [just-amiga] Re: Hard drive space and said: > Have you actually considered buying a bigger drive ????? Perhaps the guy's on a low budget ;-) -- A la prochaine Dave Le Huray Guernsey, Channel Islands -- Member Team *AMIGA* -- Amiga Owner 8-), PC User 8-( Wishing all readers a merry christmas, joyeux noel, freulich weinacht and a happy new year, bonne nouveau annee, gutes neue jahr ------------------------------------------------------------------------ At last! The perfect gifts for baseball fans...or anyone. Merchandise from the Sonoma County Crushers, champions of the Western Baseball League (USA). Go to http://www.icatmall.com/crushers ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From pamiga@channel1.com Mon Dec 14 14:43:31 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--836-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Tue Dec 15 00:43:48 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Tue, 15 Dec 1998 00:43:48 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.31] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Tue, 15 Dec 1998 00:43:47 0000 Received: (qmail 32716 invoked by alias); 15 Dec 1998 00:44:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 32710 invoked from network); 15 Dec 1998 00:44:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO user1.channel1.com) (199.1.13.9) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 1998 00:44:00 -0000 Received: from channel1.com (pamiga@remote36.channel1.com [204.96.32.36]) by user1.channel1.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA27678 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:43:34 -0500 (EST) From: peter mysliwy To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:43:31 +0600 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0Preview6 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Subject: [just-amiga] Trojan on datatypes.library (fwd) From: peter mysliwy Hello, *** Begin of forwarded message *** Date: 11-Dec-98 02:37:40 From: Rui Carvalho Subject: Trojan on datatypes.library --- Forwarded message follows --- Hello, Just a warning!!! There is a trojan in a version of the datatypes library that was released on Aminet (version 45.5). This trojan sends your IP data (including password and DNS server) to the boys of digital corruption. Here's a translation of a message posted here in Portugal: >Depois de se ter feito um dessasembly da library e de rodar o codigo >"pirata" obtido.Da' isso no offset $78C2 After dessasembling the library and check the code, i found this at offset $78C2 >-- > >Miami >Miami:miami.default >host >mail.hotmail.com >bsdsocket.library >HELO >MAIL FROM: >RCPT TO:yxghqs >DATA >Subject: >. >QUIT >SnoopDos Support Process >ENVARC:mcc.prefs > >Ve^-se claramente que envia um e-mail para o servidor "mail.hotmail.com" >com o file "miami.default" .Tb e' modificado o "processo" do SnoopDos >para nao detectar a leitura do file. We can clearly see it sends a mail to mail.hotmail.com containing the file miami.default. Snoopdos is also patched not detect this process. -- Best Regards, Rui Carvalho «gRiM» *«Blitz Basic Source Code Site»* #Http://ip.pt/~ip234558 - Last Update: 10.12.98# #PGP Key available on my Website# *** End of forwarded message *** Kind regards ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From RogeriBI@pauliseg.com.br Mon Dec 14 14:50:12 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--826-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Mon Dec 14 13:51:16 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:51:16 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.135.253] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:51:16 0000 Received: (qmail 17586 invoked by alias); 14 Dec 1998 13:51:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 17571 invoked from network); 14 Dec 1998 13:51:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO internet.pauliseg.com.br) (200.245.153.69) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 1998 13:51:26 -0000 Received: from ber_sna-smtp.pauliseg.com.br ([121.0.0.65]) by internet.pauliseg.com.br (8.8.5/SCO5) with ESMTP id OAA12731 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:53:39 GMT Received: by BER_SNA-SMTP with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:49:23 -0200 Message-ID: <81027722BAD3D011921500805FA647450198298B@BER_EXCHANGE> From: Rogerio Biondi To: "'just-amiga@onelist.com'" Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:50:12 -0200 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Why Amiga DOS 3.5 doesn't raises up 11%? From: Rogerio Biondi Hello, Why Amiga DOS 3.5 doesn't raises up 11%? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From andy.k2@ukonline.co.uk Mon Dec 14 15:11:56 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--832-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Mon Dec 14 19:44:32 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:44:32 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.213] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:44:32 0000 Received: (qmail 3647 invoked by alias); 14 Dec 1998 19:54:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 3577 invoked from network); 14 Dec 1998 19:54:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO satsuma.mail.easynet.net) (195.40.1.44) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 1998 19:54:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 19159 invoked from network); 14 Dec 1998 19:44:09 -0000 Received: from hertz.ukonline.co.uk (195.40.112.13) by satsuma.mail.easynet.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 1998 19:44:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 15371 invoked from network); 14 Dec 1998 20:01:36 -0000 Received: from tnt-6-124.easynet.co.uk (andy.k2@195.40.201.124) by hertz.ukonline.co.uk with SMTP; 14 Dec 1998 20:01:36 -0000 From: "Andy Kinsella" Organization: Blurred Vision Date: 14 Dec 98 14:11:56 +0000 Message-Id: <36751CAC.MD-0.198.andy.k2@ukonline.co.uk> In-Reply-To: To: just-amiga@onelist.com X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS 0.198 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Datatype s- Re: [just-amiga] Re: *Internet accounts stolen* From: "Andy Kinsella" Toby Zuijdveld said this... > From: Toby Zuijdveld > > On 13-Dec-98, bill.eaves@zetnet.co.uk set out across the seas with this > message: > > ->I tried using the proper Aminet version of v45 - the size is the OK > ->but when I boot up I get the error message "Cannot find > ->v39.x". > > Hmmm you *sure* it's not the trojan one? That sounds awefully wrong... You will get that message if you are running v3.0 of the OS as versions of Datatypes.library newer than 39x require 3.1. If you are running 3.1, then something is f*cked up. and you should install the version off your WB disk. -- Regards, Andy. *F U B A R* @ http://www.q-soft.demon.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From colstv@hotkey.net.au Mon Dec 14 17:21:37 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--828-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Mon Dec 14 16:26:27 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 16:26:27 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.13] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 16:26:26 0000 Received: (qmail 26143 invoked by alias); 15 Dec 1998 17:23:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 26138 invoked from network); 15 Dec 1998 17:23:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au) (203.37.241.194) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 1998 17:23:11 -0000 Received: from hotkey.net.au (maroochydore-as-dial-25.qld.hotkey.net.au [203.37.241.220]) by maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA23103 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 03:26:03 +1100 (EST) From: Colin Wenzel To: 95LHSC Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 02:21:37 +1000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <15331254600121@saltash.cornwall.sch.uk> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Hard Drive Space From: Colin Wenzel On 14-Dec-98, 95LHSC wrote: >From: "95LHSC" <95LHSC@saltash.cornwall.sch.uk> >In refrence to Terry Davis' post about hard drive space, is there any way >to enlarge the size of a partition without having to delete another >partition. I haven't tried englarging a partion, but it would be usefull to >know. NO. is the short answer. If the 'boundary' for a partition is moved by even one cylinder, then BOTH partitions either side of the 'boundary' will become invalid. Any further partitions on the drive will remain valid. So technically, if you have only one drive & it is big enough, you could move the files around... For example: You have DH0: DH1: DH2: If it was a 1 Gig drive....... and....... DH0: = 50Mb (Workbench) 100% full DH1: = 300Mb (stuff) 70% full DH2: = 650Mb (more stuff) 30% full If there is 350mb free on DH2: then just make directories: makedir dh2:-dh0 makedir dh2:-dh1 from a cli....... copy dh0: dh2:-dh0/ all clone copy dh1: dh2:-dh1/ all clone when they are copied over, then you can move the boundary between dh0 & dh1. for instance... DH0: = 100Mb (now) DH1: = 250Mb (now) After making changes with HDtoolbox, boot up on a WB floppy disk. Re-format dh0: & dh1: then copy all the files back..... then Reboot & come back up on DH0.... -------------------------------------------- Colin Wenzel. Australia. | | Email: colstv@hotkey.net.au | URL: http://www.hotkey.net.au/~colstv/ | ICQ: #17608330 | | 'AMIGA' 4000T With CyberStorm-III 68060/50 | 150Mb RAM. | -------------------------------------------- AMIGA makes it possible ! | -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From tim@ramjam.u-net.com Mon Dec 14 18:07:04 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--829-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Mon Dec 14 17:07:20 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:07:20 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.135.253] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:07:19 0000 Received: (qmail 12752 invoked by alias); 14 Dec 1998 17:07:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 12729 invoked from network); 14 Dec 1998 17:07:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mserv1a.u-net.net) (195.102.240.34) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 1998 17:07:30 -0000 Received: from ramjam.u-net.com [194.119.178.106] by mserv1a.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zpbSq-0006dw-00; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:07:20 +0000 From: tim@ramjam.u-net.com (Tim Corringham) X-SMTP-Client: Amiga SMTPclient 0.1 by Ramjam Consultants Ltd. Date: Mon, 14 Dec 98 17:07:04 To: just-amiga@onelist.com In-Reply-To: <81027722BAD3D011921500805FA647450198298B@BER_EXCHANGE> (from just-amiga@onelist.com) (on Mon, 14 Dec 98 11:50:12) Lines: 19 X-Mailer: ADMail 1.7 Copyright 1995 S.T.Brown Message-Id: Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Why Amiga DOS 3.5 doesn't raises up 11%? From: tim@ramjam.u-net.com (Tim Corringham) Hi Rogerio > From: Rogerio Biondi > > > Hello, > > Why Amiga DOS 3.5 doesn't raises up 11%? > I assume it's because they haven't completed more than 11% of the work yet. Tim -- ====================================================================== Tim Corringham e-mail: tim@ramjam.u-net.com Ramjam Consultants Ltd tel: +44 (0)118 946 5940 Reading, England fax: +44 (0)118 946 5941 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From lairfight@softhome.net Mon Dec 14 18:22:53 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--830-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Mon Dec 14 17:24:54 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:24:54 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.13] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:24:53 0000 Received: (qmail 2434 invoked by alias); 15 Dec 1998 18:21:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 2425 invoked from network); 15 Dec 1998 18:21:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO softhome.net) (204.144.231.41) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 1998 18:21:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 17706 invoked by uid 417); 14 Dec 1998 17:42:02 -0000 Received: from t2o68p4.telia.com (HELO softhome.net) (62.20.138.124) by smtp.softhome.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 1998 17:42:02 -0000 From: Linus Akesson To: Toby Zuijdveld Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:22:53 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Datatype s- Re: [just-amiga] Re: *Internet accounts stolen From: Linus Akesson On 14-Dec-98, Toby Zuijdveld wrote: >Hmmm you *sure* it's not the trojan one? That sounds awefully wrong... >Hex-read the file and search for keywords "miami" or "hotmail" - I can't >remember if they were encrypted or not... I guess they probably were =] It's encrypted all right. However, it wouldn't be a very successful trojan if it were requiring an older version of the library to work. That older version would have to be stored as LIBS:datatypes.library, and so would the trojan. =) Linus .- Linus Akesson `--- lairfight@softhome.net -+- http://fly.to/linus.world --- aMiG!A ruleZ - What has four legs and an arm? A happy pit bull. ---> MrCookie v1.1 (text/misc/MrCookie.lha) <---- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From ragnar.fyri@daf.no Mon Dec 14 18:37:29 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--833-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Mon Dec 14 19:58:49 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:58:49 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.31] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:58:48 0000 Received: (qmail 25280 invoked by alias); 14 Dec 1998 19:59:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 25211 invoked from network); 14 Dec 1998 19:58:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO login-2.eunet.no) (193.71.71.239) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 1998 19:58:58 -0000 Received: from daf.no (rfyri@pc17.pm2-3.eunet.no [193.71.251.17]) by login-2.eunet.no (8.9.0/8.9.0/GN) with SMTP id UAA08190 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:58:33 +0100 (CET) From: Ragnar Fyri To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:37:29 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Hard drive space From: Ragnar Fyri 'Twas the night before 14-Dec-98, and all through the net, not a creature was stirring, except for Dave, who whispered ominously: >Wishing all readers a merry christmas, joyeux noel, freulich weinacht >and a happy new year, bonne nouveau annee, gutes neue jahr God Jul og Godt Nyttår. ;) -- We'll be right back after these messages. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From amiga@thefree.net Mon Dec 14 18:43:29 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--853-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 19 00:07:41 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 19 Dec 1998 00:07:41 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.213] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 19 Dec 1998 00:07:40 0000 Received: (qmail 2921 invoked by alias); 19 Dec 1998 00:18:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 2817 invoked from network); 19 Dec 1998 00:18:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.thefree.net) (195.34.192.14) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 1998 00:18:16 -0000 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 19 Dec 1998 00:07:12 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from thefree.net [195.34.195.202] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 19 Dec 1998 00:07:11 0000 From: "Chris Seward" To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:43:29 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <366A8B88.MD-0.196.scubidu@netcomuk.co.uk> X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Subject: [just-amiga] Re: SETTING UP AN ISP From: "Chris Seward" On 06-Dec-98, you wrote: > Just a *LITTLE* query (:-)) I would like to ask :- > What, with all the talk regarding free internet access, and stuff, I > was wondering (in one of My sad Bas*%ard moments) just what would it > entail to start up an ISP? I have always imagined an "ISP" to be just > a big room, full of hard drives connected to each other, and all > connected up to a load of phone lines, but realise it can't be *THAT* > simple. Ok. this email reply maybe slightly late but heres my reply anyway :) It would depend on what you want, if you where making a whole new isp then it would take alot of money, probably into millions of pounds for the type of system people would want, transatlantic connections for fast web access etc would cost quite alot. Although on the other hand alot of isps use 'other' isps to run the actual whole thing, with Wirenet (Uk amiga only isp) they use u-net which handle all the computer and dialups etc so it would cost less because Neil Botherwick (owner of wirenet) doesn't have to bother with all the dialup lines and other computer hardware so that would cost less. You also get other companys, i think FreeDotNet (which i use) are run from the Microsoft network uk internet company but i'm unsure, if they are then grrr. But for £30 for two years i'm not complaning :) Merry Christmas!!! -- Chris Seward Email : amiga@thefree.net Editor of Amiga Information Online Phone : +44 (0)7887 664 915 http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/ Aminet : Docs/Mags/AIOV??.lha Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List: www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From sandy@iro.u-net.com Mon Dec 14 21:26:51 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--834-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Mon Dec 14 20:39:58 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:39:58 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.13] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:39:57 0000 Received: (qmail 21594 invoked by alias); 15 Dec 1998 21:36:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 21582 invoked from network); 15 Dec 1998 21:36:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mserv1a.u-net.net) (195.102.240.34) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 1998 21:36:39 -0000 Received: from (p100.nas1.is3.u-net.net) [195.102.198.159] by mserv1a.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zpemZ-0000og-00; Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:39:56 +0000 Date: 14 Dec 98 20:26:51 +0000 From: "Sandy Gudgeon" To: "Chris Seward" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <362.652T2584T12265818@iro.u-net.com> X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [just-amiga] Re: ARCNet From: "Sandy Gudgeon" --- Hi, The ARCNet web pages are now officially open. http://arcnet.vapor.com For help with our services and network problems. There is also details of how to subscribe to the ARCNet mailing list, when the next IRC conferences will be held on ARCNet, news and other relevent infomation. -- Sandy Gudgeon Team *AMIGA* ICQ 12624418 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From lairfight@softhome.net Mon Dec 14 21:55:35 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--835-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Mon Dec 14 20:57:10 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:57:10 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.211] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:57:09 0000 Received: (qmail 31409 invoked by alias); 14 Dec 1998 20:59:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 31397 invoked from network); 14 Dec 1998 20:59:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO softhome.net) (204.144.231.41) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 1998 20:59:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 1627 invoked by uid 417); 14 Dec 1998 21:14:26 -0000 Received: from t3o68p25.telia.com (HELO softhome.net) (62.20.139.25) by smtp.softhome.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 1998 21:14:26 -0000 From: Linus Akesson To: Ragnar Fyri Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:55:35 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Hard drive space From: Linus Akesson On 14-Dec-98, Ragnar Fyri wrote: >>Wishing all readers a merry christmas, joyeux noel, freulich weinacht >>and a happy new year, bonne nouveau annee, gutes neue jahr >God Jul og Godt Nyttår. ;) God jul och gott nytt år. .- Linus Akesson `--- lairfight@softhome.net -+- http://fly.to/linus.world --- aMiG!A ruleZ - If at first you don't succeed, redefine success. ---> MrCookie v1.1 (text/misc/MrCookie.lha) <--- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From dussel@xs4all.nl Tue Dec 15 02:20:34 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--837-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Tue Dec 15 02:30:43 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Tue, 15 Dec 1998 02:30:43 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.211] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Tue, 15 Dec 1998 02:30:42 0000 Received: (qmail 21186 invoked by alias); 15 Dec 1998 02:32:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 21168 invoked from network); 15 Dec 1998 02:32:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp3.xs4all.nl) (194.109.6.53) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 1998 02:32:38 -0000 Received: from xs4all.nl (dc2-modem3042.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.139.226]) by smtp3.xs4all.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA13428 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 03:30:27 +0100 (CET) From: Gerrit-kjeld Dusseljee To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 03:20:34 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <81027722BAD3D011921500805FA647450198298B@BER_EXCHANGE> X-Mailer: YAM 2.0Preview6 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Why Amiga DOS 3.5 doesn't raises up 11%? From: Gerrit-kjeld Dusseljee Hello Rogerio Op 14-dec-98 schreef Rogerio Biondi: > From: Rogerio Biondi > > > Hello, > > Why Amiga DOS 3.5 doesn't raises up 11%? Because H&P work on it? :)) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription > to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and > select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm > Regards -- A4000/060@50/604e@200/118MB ram/4.3GB hd/12xCDrom/Toccata/Hypercom3Z --Member of:Convergence International- The NON-Wintel user group-- --Cracking RC5-64// Warp*S - a program of M$ Tactics Inc. ICQ:255060020 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From The-Logics@usa.net Tue Dec 15 03:00:41 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--838-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Tue Dec 15 03:35:03 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Tue, 15 Dec 1998 03:35:03 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.159] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Tue, 15 Dec 1998 03:35:03 0000 Received: (qmail 25080 invoked by alias); 15 Dec 1998 03:43:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 24954 invoked from network); 15 Dec 1998 03:43:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO servernt.cscompu.com.ar) (200.16.214.2) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 1998 03:43:34 -0000 Received: from usa.net ([200.16.214.68]) by servernt.cscompu.com.ar (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 215 ID# 0-52876U1000L100S0V35) with SMTP id ar; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 00:34:56 -0300 From: The LOGIC's To: Just Amiga Mail List , Amiga Universe Mailing List Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 23:00:41 -0300 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: The Logic's Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Subject: [just-amiga] HD SCSI tranfer rate From: The LOGIC's Hi: Any one have a Seagate Barracuda 4.5Gb SCSI??? What is the max tranfer? on a mkiii. U$S280 is too much? I mean in Amiga not default tranfer rate. Bye, Gonzalo. The LOGIC's The-Logics@usa.net -- O N L Y A M I G A M A K E S I T P O S S I B L E AMIGA 4000/060/106Mb/CVPPC-8Mb/4.3Gb/CDR Teac4x12 M1084/USR 33K6/PS 3.0/EpsonStylus 600C Socio CUAE Nº215/Private User Reg. of MakeCD AIO Mag Distributor/Importador AMIGA Argentina/ICQ #22329491 Secretario Gral. AMIGA CLub Argentina mailto:amigaclub@usa.net http://members.xoom.com/amigaclub De Iparralde a Hegoalde, rojo verde y blanco ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From tim@ramjam.u-net.com Tue Dec 15 11:28:00 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--839-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Tue Dec 15 10:28:09 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Tue, 15 Dec 1998 10:28:09 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.209] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Tue, 15 Dec 1998 10:28:09 0000 Received: (qmail 2220 invoked by alias); 15 Dec 1998 10:29:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 2215 invoked from network); 15 Dec 1998 10:29:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mserv1a.u-net.net) (195.102.240.34) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 1998 10:29:41 -0000 Received: from ramjam.u-net.com [194.119.178.106] by mserv1a.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zpri9-00029u-00; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 10:28:13 +0000 From: tim@ramjam.u-net.com (Tim Corringham) X-SMTP-Client: Amiga SMTPclient 0.1 by Ramjam Consultants Ltd. Date: Tue, 15 Dec 98 10:28:00 To: just-amiga@onelist.com In-Reply-To: (from just-amiga@onelist.com) (on Tue, 15 Dec 98 03:20:34) Lines: 22 X-Mailer: ADMail 1.7 Copyright 1995 S.T.Brown Message-Id: Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Why Amiga DOS 3.5 doesn't raises up 11%? From: tim@ramjam.u-net.com (Tim Corringham) Hi Gerrit-kjeld > From: Gerrit-kjeld Dusseljee > > > From: Rogerio Biondi > > > > > > Hello, > > > > Why Amiga DOS 3.5 doesn't raises up 11%? > > Because H&P work on it? :)) Possibly, but AFAIK neither Amiga Inc nor H&P have confirmed this rumour. Tim -- ====================================================================== Tim Corringham e-mail: tim@ramjam.u-net.com Ramjam Consultants Ltd tel: +44 (0)118 946 5940 Reading, England fax: +44 (0)118 946 5941 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From colstv@hotkey.net.au Tue Dec 15 11:35:43 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--840-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Tue Dec 15 10:37:51 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Tue, 15 Dec 1998 10:37:51 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.31] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Tue, 15 Dec 1998 10:37:50 0000 Received: (qmail 197 invoked by alias); 15 Dec 1998 10:38:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 184 invoked from network); 15 Dec 1998 10:38:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au) (203.37.241.194) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 1998 10:38:08 -0000 Received: from hotkey.net.au (maroochydore-as-dial-8.qld.hotkey.net.au [203.37.241.203]) by maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA07665 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 21:37:35 +1100 (EST) From: Colin Wenzel To: Tim Corringham Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:35:43 +1000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Why Amiga DOS 3.5 doesn't raises up 11%? From: Colin Wenzel Hey Tim, did you manage to get back onto the TA list....??? I got back on at last..... BTW: Could someone please explain exactly what this means, I am unaware what it is refering to..... ??? I know about OS3.5, but what is "raises up 11%" >eg: "Why Amiga DOS 3.5 doesn't raises up 11%?" On 15-Dec-98, Tim Corringham wrote: >From: tim@ramjam.u-net.com (Tim Corringham) >Hi Gerrit-kjeld >> From: Gerrit-kjeld Dusseljee >> From: Rogerio Biondi >> Hello, >> >> Why Amiga DOS 3.5 doesn't raises up 11%? >> >> Because H&P work on it? :)) >Possibly, but AFAIK neither Amiga Inc nor H&P have confirmed this rumour. > Tim -------------------------------------------- Colin Wenzel. Australia. | | Email: colstv@hotkey.net.au | URL: http://www.hotkey.net.au/~colstv/ | ICQ: #17608330 | | 'AMIGA' 4000T With CyberStorm-III 68060/50 | 150Mb RAM. | -------------------------------------------- AMIGA makes it possible ! | -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From bill.eaves@zetnet.co.uk Tue Dec 15 13:54:54 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--842-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Tue Dec 15 18:47:09 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:47:09 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.135.229] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:47:09 0000 Received: (qmail 5220 invoked by alias); 15 Dec 1998 18:46:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 5212 invoked from network); 15 Dec 1998 18:46:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tungsten.btinternet.com) (194.73.73.81) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 1998 18:46:30 -0000 Received: from btinternet.com [195.99.51.95] by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0zpzVD-0005fE-00; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:47:23 +0000 From: Bill Eaves To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:54:54 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <36751CAC.MD-0.198.andy.k2@ukonline.co.uk> X-Mailer: YAM 2.0Preview6 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Datatypes From: Bill Eaves Hello Andy On 14-Dec-98, Andy Kinsella wrote: > You will get that message if you are running v3.0 of the OS as > versions of Datatypes.library newer than 39x require 3.1. That will explain it, I only have the 3.0 ROMs. Seems as if I will continue to use v39 of the libaray. Thanks for the info. Regards, Bill. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From andrewcrowe@enterprise.net Tue Dec 15 19:38:58 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--841-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Tue Dec 15 18:40:43 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:40:43 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.207] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:40:42 0000 Received: (qmail 14093 invoked by alias); 15 Dec 1998 19:40:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 14081 invoked from network); 15 Dec 1998 19:40:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.enterprise.net) (194.72.192.18) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 1998 19:40:08 -0000 Received: from enterprise.net (andrewcrowe@max10-113.enterprise.net [194.72.199.113]) by mail.enterprise.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA01109 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:40:31 GMT From: Andrew Crowe To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:38:58 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Manta Soft Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Why Amiga DOS 3.5 doesn't raises up 11%? From: Andrew Crowe Hi Everybody, > BTW: Could someone please explain exactly what this means, > I am unaware what it is refering to..... ??? > I know about OS3.5, but what is "raises up 11%" >> eg: "Why Amiga DOS 3.5 doesn't raises up 11%?" Its the developement status on the official web site. Hasn't moved from 11% complete for a while. See ya. -- Manta Soft - Amiga programing & web page designing Http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Gold/1713/ ICQ: 21829166 - --------------------- Quote of the day: ---------------------- - Politicians should read science fiction, not westerns and detective stories. -- Arthur C. Clarke ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From tom.hurst@clara.net Tue Dec 15 21:47:53 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--843-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Tue Dec 15 21:42:09 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Tue, 15 Dec 1998 21:42:09 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.31] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Tue, 15 Dec 1998 21:42:09 0000 Received: (qmail 16192 invoked by alias); 15 Dec 1998 21:42:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 16180 invoked from network); 15 Dec 1998 21:42:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO remus.clara.net) (195.8.69.79) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 1998 21:42:22 -0000 Received: from clara.net (Tom@du-028-0261.claranet.co.uk [195.8.84.7]) by remus.clara.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA20573 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 21:41:55 GMT (envelope-from tom.hurst@clara.net) From: Thomas Hurst To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:47:53 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: AmiSITE -> http://surf.to/amisite <- AmiSITE Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Why Amiga DOS 3.5 doesn't raises up 11%? From: Thomas Hurst Hi! On 15-Dec-98, Andrew Crowe wrote: > Hi Everybody, >> BTW: Could someone please explain exactly what this means, >> I am unaware what it is refering to..... ??? > >> I know about OS3.5, but what is "raises up 11%" > > >>> eg: "Why Amiga DOS 3.5 doesn't raises up 11%?" > > Its the developement status on the official web site. Hasn't moved > from 11% complete for a while. Well, I've just seen AI's new site - not bad, but now the indicator has gone completely - maybe because it was meaningless and they couldn't pinpoint development to a percentage? Regards Tom -- Editor, AmiSITE <------> http://surf.to/amisite #The online Magazine for those who dare to be different.# ICQ:17701673 - IRC:Freaky - RC5: 11642 2^28 blocks done -- Pentium instruction of the day: MDC: Melt Down Core ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From dlbenson@psnw.com Wed Dec 16 17:11:23 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--844-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Wed Dec 16 16:09:18 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:09:18 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.135.253] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:09:17 0000 Received: (qmail 5229 invoked by alias); 16 Dec 1998 16:09:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 5221 invoked from network); 16 Dec 1998 16:09:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sierra.psnw.com) (205.199.144.107) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 1998 16:09:31 -0000 Received: from psnw.com (root@vct1-45.psnw.com [206.43.240.68]) by sierra.psnw.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id IAA05839 for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:09:03 -0800 (PST) From: Don and Lynn Benson To: Mail List Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:11:23 -0800 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0Preview6 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Install Prog. From: Don and Lynn Benson Hello, I have a problem, occasionally, with the Installer program. For instance when I try to install the Epic Encyclopedia the program goes part way through the script and just quits. Several other times I have had the program come up with very strange errors, such as a bad command and a bad line in the script. In some cases I have been able to modify the script and get it to run, but most times it will not work. I have tried several different Installer programs, including versions 43.3 and 1.24. I am using KS 40.68 and WB 40.42 and an A-4000/040 with 16 megs. Does anybody have any ideas of the actual problem? /// /// AMIGA -D. R. Benson /// IS 1209 East Sweet Street \\\ /// ALIVE! Visilia CA 93292-2260 \\\/// U.S.A. \XX/ Amiga is what Windows wants to be when it grows up. -e-mail: dlbenson@psnw.com Those who are busy saying it can't be done need to stay out of the way of those who are busy doing it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From tim@ramjam.u-net.com Wed Dec 16 23:54:42 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--846-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Thu Dec 17 03:43:29 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Thu, 17 Dec 1998 03:43:29 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from relay6.UU.NET [192.48.96.16] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Thu, 17 Dec 1998 03:43:28 0000 Received: from onelist.com by relay6.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: pop.onelist.com [209.207.135.253]) id QQfubj29666; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 17:54:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 31527 invoked by alias); 16 Dec 1998 22:55:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 31464 invoked from network); 16 Dec 1998 22:55:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mserv1a.u-net.net) (195.102.240.34) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 1998 22:55:06 -0000 Received: from ramjam.u-net.com [194.119.178.106] by mserv1a.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zqPqE-0006XZ-00; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 22:54:51 +0000 From: tim@ramjam.u-net.com (Tim Corringham) X-SMTP-Client: Amiga SMTPclient 0.1 by Ramjam Consultants Ltd. Date: Wed, 16 Dec 98 22:54:42 To: just-amiga@onelist.com In-Reply-To: (from just-amiga@onelist.com) (on Tue, 15 Dec 98 20:35:43) Lines: 16 X-Mailer: ADMail 1.7 Copyright 1995 S.T.Brown Message-Id: Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Why Amiga DOS 3.5 doesn't raises up 11%? From: tim@ramjam.u-net.com (Tim Corringham) Hi Colin > From: Colin Wenzel > > Hey Tim, did you manage to get back onto the TA list....??? > I got back on at last..... Nope - how did you manage it? Tim -- ====================================================================== Tim Corringham e-mail: tim@ramjam.u-net.com Ramjam Consultants Ltd tel: +44 (0)118 946 5940 Reading, England fax: +44 (0)118 946 5941 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From colstv@hotkey.net.au Thu Dec 17 02:48:29 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--848-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Thu Dec 17 01:51:49 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Thu, 17 Dec 1998 01:51:49 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.209] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Thu, 17 Dec 1998 01:51:47 0000 Received: (qmail 5022 invoked by alias); 17 Dec 1998 01:52:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 4943 invoked from network); 17 Dec 1998 01:51:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au) (203.37.241.194) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 1998 01:51:58 -0000 Received: from hotkey.net.au (maroochydore-as-dial-4.qld.hotkey.net.au [203.37.241.199]) by maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA09842 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:50:16 +1100 (EST) From: Colin Wenzel To: Tim Corringham Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:48:29 +1000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Why Amiga DOS 3.5 doesn't raises up 11%? From: Colin Wenzel On 17-Dec-98, Tim Corringham wrote: >From: tim@ramjam.u-net.com (Tim Corringham) >Hi Colin >> From: Colin Wenzel >> >> Hey Tim, did you manage to get back onto the TA list....??? >> I got back on at last..... >Nope - how did you manage it? > Tim >-- >====================================================================== >Tim Corringham e-mail: tim@ramjam.u-net.com >Ramjam Consultants Ltd tel: +44 (0)118 946 5940 >Reading, England fax: +44 (0)118 946 5941 -------------------------------------------- Send a mail To: majordomo@thule.no In the Body of the mail, (NOT the subject line), put the following 2 words: subscribe teamamiga You will get a responce from the server then. Something went wrong with the server a while ago & it dropped a few people off, you have to go through the entire resubscription process for it to work... -------------------------------------------- Colin Wenzel. Australia. | | Email: colstv@hotkey.net.au | URL: http://www.hotkey.net.au/~colstv/ | ICQ: #17608330 | | 'AMIGA' 4000T With CyberStorm-III 68060/50 | 150Mb RAM. | -------------------------------------------- AMIGA makes it possible ! | -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From ianurie@jwu.u-net.com Thu Dec 17 03:34:09 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--845-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Thu Dec 17 00:16:03 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Thu, 17 Dec 1998 00:16:03 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from relay2.UU.NET [192.48.96.7] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Thu, 17 Dec 1998 00:16:03 0000 Received: from onelist.com by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.209]) id QQfube13910; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:34:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 19643 invoked by alias); 16 Dec 1998 21:35:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 19636 invoked from network); 16 Dec 1998 21:35:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mserv1a.u-net.net) (195.102.240.34) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 1998 21:35:35 -0000 Received: from (p99.nas2.is3.u-net.net) [195.102.196.227] by mserv1a.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zqOa8-00010n-00; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:34:08 +0000 Date: 16 Dec 98 21:34:09 -0500 From: "ian urie" To: "Don and Lynn Benson" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1957.654T450T12944117@jwu.u-net.com> Organization: At Home X-Installer: Wirenet 1.8 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Install Prog. From: "ian urie" On 16-Dec-98 11:11:23, Don and Lynn Benson said about [just-amiga] Install Prog.: > From: Don and Lynn Benson > Hello, > I have a problem, occasionally, with the Installer program. For instance > when I try to install the Epic Encyclopedia the program goes part way > through the script and just quits. Several other times I have had the > program come up with very strange errors, such as a bad command and > a bad line in the script. In some cases I have been able to modify > the script and get it to run, but most times it will not work. > I have tried several different Installer programs, including versions > 43.3 and 1.24. I am using KS 40.68 and WB 40.42 and an A-4000/040 > with 16 megs. > Does anybody have any ideas of the actual problem? > /// > /// AMIGA > -D. R. Benson /// IS > 1209 East Sweet Street \\\ /// ALIVE! > Visilia CA 93292-2260 \\\/// > U.S.A. \XX/ Amiga is what Windows > wants to be when > it grows up. > -e-mail: dlbenson@psnw.com > Those who are busy saying it can't be done need to stay out of > the way of those who are busy doing it. What version of Epic's opus are you trying to install? Last years version had an update to the install file as it took an hour on my machine to complete! 1998 version only took a few minutes though and is much better IMHO. It never quit on me though with any version. Installer version 43.3 rom 3.0 -- Ian Urie Uin:19729444 Connected via Wirenet - the UK's first Amiga only internet provider Twenty-four hour banking: I just don't have time for it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From Ps6666@aol.com Thu Dec 17 15:05:50 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--849-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Thu Dec 17 14:08:47 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:08:47 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.159] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Thu, 17 Dec 1998 14:08:45 0000 Received: (qmail 30564 invoked by alias); 17 Dec 1998 14:17:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 30427 invoked from network); 17 Dec 1998 14:17:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo15.mx.aol.com) (198.81.17.5) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 17 Dec 1998 14:17:48 -0000 Received: from Ps6666@aol.com by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id KKZLa16640 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:05:50 -0500 (EST) From: Ps6666@aol.com Message-ID: <51f6b37c.36790fbe@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:05:50 EST To: just-amiga@onelist.com X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 154 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Install Prog. From: Ps6666@aol.com Try running Snoopdod os Dotarce in the background and they will tell you where the problem occured and allow you to mend it . Sutty.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From mash@myamiga.freeserve.co.uk Thu Dec 17 23:43:39 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--852-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Fri Dec 18 23:41:12 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Fri, 18 Dec 1998 23:41:12 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.213] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Fri, 18 Dec 1998 23:41:11 0000 Received: (qmail 20047 invoked by alias); 18 Dec 1998 23:51:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 20005 invoked from network); 18 Dec 1998 23:51:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail9.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.22) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 1998 23:51:48 -0000 Received: from modem-115.krypton.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.17.243] helo=myamiga.freeserve.co.uk ident=Mash) by mail9.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zr9Vy-0008WG-00; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 23:40:58 +0000 From: Matthew O'Neill To: CU Amiga mail list Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 23:43:39 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0Preview6 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Fluffy Things Inc. Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] not an advert for a website From: Matthew O'Neill Lo there sorry, I lied. lots of 3d pictures at, http://www.myamiga.freeserve.co.uk/ onec again, sorry :) -- What do you get if you cross an agnostic, an insomniac and a dyslexic? Someone who lies awake at night wondering if there really is a dog. HTTP://www.myamiga.freeserve.co.uk/ Matthew O'Neill - MashMan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From wpp@WAYNE-PYRAH.freeserve.co.uk Fri Dec 18 00:02:40 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--847-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Thu Dec 17 01:04:42 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Thu, 17 Dec 1998 01:04:42 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Thu, 17 Dec 1998 01:04:42 0000 Received: from onelist.com by relay7.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.159]) id QQfubk16232; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:05:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 8246 invoked by alias); 16 Dec 1998 23:14:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 8235 invoked from network); 16 Dec 1998 23:14:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail3.svr.pol.co.uk) (194.152.65.211) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 1998 23:14:46 -0000 Received: from modem-114.chromium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.11.242] helo=WAYNE-PYRAH.freeserve.co.uk ident=wayne-pyrah@freeserve.co.uk) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zqQ0f-0007id-00; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:05:37 +0000 From: Wayne Pyrah To: just-amiga@onelist.com CC: Tim Corringham Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 23:02:40 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0Preview6 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Subject: [just-amiga] RE : Team Amiga Mailing List From: Wayne Pyrah Hi Tim On 16-Dec-98, you wrote: > From: tim@ramjam.u-net.com (Tim Corringham) > > Hi Colin > >> From: Colin Wenzel >> >> Hey Tim, did you manage to get back onto the TA list....??? >> I got back on at last..... > > Nope - how did you manage it? I subscribed to the list last week with no problems at all, but left as it was a bit too technical ! the address was majordomo@thule.no with subscribe teamamiga in the body. Regards, + W A Y N E + -- From : Wayne Pyrah - Lincoln, England, UK Email : wpp@WAYNE-PYRAH.freeserve.co.uk http://www.WAYNE-PYRAH.freeserve.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From martin@madscientist.demon.co.uk Fri Dec 18 21:09:48 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--851-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Fri Dec 18 21:49:41 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Fri, 18 Dec 1998 21:49:41 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.135.253] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Fri, 18 Dec 1998 21:49:41 0000 Received: (qmail 28132 invoked by alias); 18 Dec 1998 21:50:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 28088 invoked from network); 18 Dec 1998 21:49:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.mail.demon.net) (194.217.242.41) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 1998 21:49:58 -0000 Received: from [193.237.50.20] (helo=madscientist.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 0zr7m3-0003SA-00 for just-amiga@onelist.com; Fri, 18 Dec 1998 21:49:27 +0000 From: "Martin Nicholson" Organization: Private User Date: 18 Dec 98 20:09:48 +0000 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: To: just-amiga@onelist.com X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS NC 1.0a Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Help FORMAT MSDos From: "Martin Nicholson" On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 22:19:15 +1100, Noel Gadd wrote, > From: Noel Gadd > > G'day Everyone and Seasons greetings, > I have a > delema. Can any one set me in the right direction to formating an IDE HD so > that I can read it on PC and Amiga ? Ive set up the drive in HD tool box as > a custom MS dos filing system . When I reboot I get no Icons ? Thats where > I come unstuck. Do I have to tell CrossDos via a Dosdriver at startup that > its there ? First off, use the configdisk tool in crossdos to set up the drive, it will create a dosdriver for you to put in the devs:dosdrivers directory. I've found that its better not to automount PC drives (which is set up in HDTools), but to let the dosdriver mount it. Secondly, make sure that the information in HDTools matches that in the dosdriver. If there are any differences, then change the HDTools settings to match the dosdriver settings, i.e., filesystem, etc. Also make sure that you increase the buffers from the default setting which is pretty low, or copying will be slow. I use 200 buffers here. Then you can then format the drive using the format command which crossdos should have patched when you installed it. It will automatically recognise the drive as a MSDOS HD, and format it accordingly. Now, the problem I've found with the above, which is the way you're supposed to do it, is that while it works fine for PCTask partitions and the like, you can't read the drive from a PC :( The way I got around this is to follow the steps above, with the following changes. Don't set the drive up in HDTools at all. DOn't even use HDTools to add the drive to the system, change drive type etc. First, format the drive on a PC using the standard MSDOS format command, no fancy FAT filesystems or NTFS, just bog standard DOS. When the drive is formatted, use crossdos and configdisk to create the Dosdriver, and put it in DEvs:Dosdrivers, check the buffers settings and thats it. When you reboot, the drive should appear on the Workbench, can be written/read by the Amiga and by a PC. :)) By the way, if the miggy is towered, look at buying a couple of removable harddrive bays and put one in the miggy and one in the PC. Install the drive in one of the caddies, and switching it between computers is a piece of p*ss :)) Worzel -- mailto:martin@madscientist.demon.co.uk Member Team *Amiga* ____________________________________________________________________ | | | | Martin Nicholson | Nick Worzel on DALNET #Netconnect | | ICQ UIN 14617500 | & BeyondIRC #HarryHomers | |___________________________|________________________________________| | | |A1200, Apollo 1230/50/68882 Pro, 16 Megs fastram, 4.2G HD, 1G HD, | |420M HD and 6x CD-ROM in tower, and Dynalink V90 modem/Hypercom 3i | |____________________________________________________________________| | Using Dopus 5.661 Magellan & NetConnect2 software. | |____________________________________________________________________| ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From amiga@thefree.net Sat Dec 19 02:27:16 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--855-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 19 13:24:24 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 19 Dec 1998 13:24:24 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.13] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 19 Dec 1998 13:24:23 0000 Received: (qmail 23339 invoked by alias); 20 Dec 1998 14:21:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 23334 invoked from network); 20 Dec 1998 14:21:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.thefree.net) (195.34.192.14) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 1998 14:21:24 -0000 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 19 Dec 1998 13:24:17 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from thefree.net [195.34.197.85] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 19 Dec 1998 13:24:16 0000 From: "Chris Seward" To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 02:27:16 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Hard drive space From: "Chris Seward" On 14-Dec-98, you wrote: > >> God Jul og Godt Nyttår. ;) > > God jul och gott nytt år. > Ok, everyone went crazy and no one told me :( humpf! just a good old Merry Christmas from me :) Hey don't forget to goto :- http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/ *WHY?* because AIO issue 19 is out, thats why and we've also now nearly hit 2000 visitors, they seem to have slowed in the past few weeks, tell your friends. Merry Christmas! Hope Santa brings you everything you asked for :) -- Chris Seward Email : amiga@thefree.net Editor of Amiga Information Online Phone : +44 (0)7887 664 915 http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/ Aminet : Docs/Mags/AIOV??.lha Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List: www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From dave@lehuray.freeserve.co.uk Sat Dec 19 13:17:13 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--854-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 19 12:20:37 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 19 Dec 1998 12:20:37 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.211] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 19 Dec 1998 12:20:34 0000 Received: (qmail 29169 invoked by alias); 19 Dec 1998 12:22:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 29161 invoked from network); 19 Dec 1998 12:22:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail11.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.23) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 1998 12:22:29 -0000 Received: from modem-56.neptunium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.46.56] ident=Dave) by mail11.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zrLMu-0001Kv-00 for just-amiga@onelist.com; Sat, 19 Dec 1998 12:20:25 +0000 From: "Dave Le Huray" Organization: Personal Date: 19 Dec 98 12:17:13 +0000 Message-Id: To: just-amiga@onelist.com X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS NC 1.0a Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Mobile Phone -> Modem cable anyone? From: "Dave Le Huray" Hi Chris, My apologies in advance for typing this slowly but I haven't learnt to use more than one finger on each hand yet ;-) However, on Wed, 09 Dec 1998 18:22:58 +0100 you talked about [just-amiga] Mobile Phone -> Modem cable anyone? and said: < big snip> I work for Guernsey Telecoms, the telephone network provider for the Island (the local equivalent to BT only a lot cheaper ;-P), and I have spoken to our GSM Development department who are currently actively marketing mobile Fax and Data. They deal almost exclusively with Ericsson products have told me that they are unaware of any such cable and therefore one would have to be constructed, as a one-off, for you. Imagine the cost of that :-/ They also asked why you would want to connect an external modem to a mobile phone ? Surely it would be megatimes (I like that word don't you :-)) cheaper to use a standard fixed network line. Even considering the cost of having an extra line installed. -- A la prochaine Dave Le Huray Guernsey, Channel Islands -- Member Team *AMIGA* -- Amiga Owner 8-), PC User 8-( Find me on www.amiganet.com (everyone should be there) Wishing all readers a merry christmas, joyeux noel, frohe weinachten and a happy new year, bonne nouveau annee, gluckliches neues jahr ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From amiga@thefree.net Sat Dec 19 13:30:52 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--856-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 19 13:30:53 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 19 Dec 1998 13:30:53 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.31] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 19 Dec 1998 13:30:43 0000 Received: (qmail 14550 invoked by alias); 19 Dec 1998 13:31:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 14539 invoked from network); 19 Dec 1998 13:31:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.thefree.net) (195.34.192.14) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 1998 13:31:07 -0000 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 19 Dec 1998 13:30:38 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from thefree.net [195.34.197.85] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 19 Dec 1998 13:30:36 0000 From: "Chris Seward" To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 13:30:52 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Mobile Phone -> Modem cable anyone? From: "Chris Seward" On 19-Dec-98, you wrote: > They deal almost exclusively with Ericsson products have told me that > they are unaware of any such cable and therefore one would have to be > constructed, as a one-off, for you. Imagine the cost of that :-/ I emailed VodaFone and they said that the cable could be bought from my local VodaFone retailer :) Why would they make a data port on the phone if no cable was available? Anyway doesn't matter now as i'm off to purchase it :) Merry Christmas! -- Chris Seward Email : amiga@thefree.net Editor of Amiga Information Online Phone : +44 (0)7887 664 915 http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/ Aminet : Docs/Mags/AIOV??.lha Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List: www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From coldspring@thenet.co.uk Sat Dec 19 14:46:05 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--857-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 19 13:47:40 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 19 Dec 1998 13:47:40 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.211] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 19 Dec 1998 13:47:39 0000 Received: (qmail 28709 invoked by alias); 19 Dec 1998 13:49:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 28699 invoked from network); 19 Dec 1998 13:49:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailhost.ldn1.uk.internetfci.net) (195.74.65.20) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 1998 13:49:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 3211 invoked by alias); 19 Dec 1998 13:47:59 -0000 Received: from dip-195-74-66-192.thenet.co.uk (HELO thenet.co.uk) (195.74.66.192) by mailhost.ldn1.uk.internetfci.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 1998 13:47:59 -0000 From: Cold Spring To: just-amiga@onelist.com CC: chatter@amiga.co.uk Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 13:46:05 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Help! From: Cold Spring Hello amiga guys, I'm using an A1200, 540 mb HDD, and have not connected any new hardware to the machine. But recently, when I press A,A & Ctrl when booting to access the harddrive, it comes up with the black screen and red box 'software error', this happens two or three times until it eventually accesses the HDD. Today, it took 5 attempts and then it crashed while accessing the HDD, so on the sixth attempt the work: drive had to be validated. So, the problem is getting worse everyday....anyone have any idea what's happening? Is my HDD damaged? Best Wishes, Justin / COLD SPRING *** PLEASE NOTE - If anyone has been attempting to email COLD SPRING in the past 18 days, our internet provider had a fibre optic cable split which needed replacing and knocked the entire net out for that time. Sorry for any inconvenience, we're happy to say everything is back to normal now. PLEASE SEND ANY EMAILS AGAIN. THANK YOU. *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From colstv@hotkey.net.au Sat Dec 19 15:06:39 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--858-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 19 14:09:02 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 19 Dec 1998 14:09:02 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.207] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 19 Dec 1998 14:09:00 0000 Received: (qmail 20267 invoked by alias); 19 Dec 1998 15:08:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 20257 invoked from network); 19 Dec 1998 15:08:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au) (203.37.241.194) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 1998 15:08:20 -0000 Received: from hotkey.net.au (maroochydore-as-dial-13.qld.hotkey.net.au [203.37.241.208]) by maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA28938 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 01:08:43 +1100 (EST) From: Colin Wenzel To: Cold Spring Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 00:06:39 +1000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Help! From: Colin Wenzel Besides the fact that you have just said what computer & HD you have, you neglected to mention the power supply.... If you are still running with the A1200 brick, then that may be the main culprit.... Change your power supply... If you have an old A500 power supply, use it, they have a better current rating. (4.5a @ 5v) Vs (3a @ 5v) Also, try just booting on a floppy WB disk. It will probably still crash, virtually eliminating the HD as a problem. --------------------------------------------------------------------- On 19-Dec-98, Cold Spring wrote: >From: Cold Spring >Hello amiga guys, >I'm using an A1200, 540 mb HDD, and have not connected any new >hardware to the machine. >But recently, when I press A,A & Ctrl when booting to access the >harddrive, it comes up with the black screen and red box (that's called a Guru Alert) >'software error', this happens two or three times until it >eventually accesses the HDD. >Today, it took 5 attempts and then it crashed while accessing the HDD, so on >the sixth attempt the work: drive had to be validated. >So, the problem is getting worse everyday....anyone have any idea what's >happening? Is my HDD damaged? >Best Wishes, >Justin / COLD SPRING >*** PLEASE NOTE - If anyone has been attempting to email COLD SPRING in the >past 18 days, our internet provider had a fibre optic cable split which needed >replacing and knocked the entire net out for that time. Sorry for any >inconvenience, we're happy to say everything is back to normal now. PLEASE >SEND ANY EMAILS AGAIN. THANK YOU. *** >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription >to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and >select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm -- -------------------------------------------- Colin Wenzel. Australia. | | Email: colstv@hotkey.net.au | URL: http://www.hotkey.net.au/~colstv/ | ICQ: #17608330 | | 'AMIGA' 4000T With CyberStorm-III 68060/50 | 150Mb RAM. | -------------------------------------------- AMIGA makes it possible ! | -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From coldspring@thenet.co.uk Sat Dec 19 16:20:04 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--859-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 19 15:22:02 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 19 Dec 1998 15:22:02 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.13] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 19 Dec 1998 15:22:01 0000 Received: (qmail 2717 invoked by alias); 20 Dec 1998 16:19:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 2686 invoked from network); 20 Dec 1998 16:18:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailhost.ldn1.uk.internetfci.net) (195.74.65.20) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 1998 16:18:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 3886 invoked by alias); 19 Dec 1998 15:21:59 -0000 Received: from dip-195-74-66-192.thenet.co.uk (HELO thenet.co.uk) (195.74.66.192) by mailhost.ldn1.uk.internetfci.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 1998 15:21:59 -0000 From: Cold Spring To: Colin Wenzel Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 15:20:04 -0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Help! From: Cold Spring Hello, >Besides the fact that you have just said what computer & HD you have, >you neglected to mention the power supply.... Yeah, its the bog standard white Comodore p-supply - but it has never done it before.....also, when the machine seems to warm up, it doesn't do it again....hmmmm.... Thanks for the advice.... Best Wishes, Justin / COLD SPRING *** PLEASE NOTE - If anyone has been attempting to email COLD SPRING in the past 18 days, our internet provider had a fibre optic cable split which needed replacing and knocked the entire net out for that time. Sorry for any inconvenience, we're happy to say everything is back to normal now. PLEASE SEND ANY EMAILS AGAIN. THANK YOU. *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From amiga@thefree.net Sat Dec 19 17:26:05 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--861-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 19 22:21:53 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:21:53 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.31] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:21:52 0000 Received: (qmail 9173 invoked by alias); 19 Dec 1998 22:22:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 9162 invoked from network); 19 Dec 1998 22:22:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.thefree.net) (195.34.192.14) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 1998 22:22:11 -0000 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:17:34 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from thefree.net [195.34.197.25] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:17:33 0000 From: "Chris Seward" To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 16:26:05 Message-ID: <9812191626.01175@mail.nomailserver.com> X-Mailer: MPDMailpost by Andy Kellett (mushypd@redrose.net) X-Comment: Posted via MPDMailpost multi-personell mailer program X-Comment: This program will post the same piece of text to all recipients X-Comment: In a list which you can specify. If you would like a copy of X-Comment: Of this program, email me at mushypd@redrose.net X-Comment: This program is not to be abused, or used as a mass spammer Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] AIO Issue 19 OUT NOW! From: "Chris Seward" Amiga Information Online Issue 19 OUT NOW (19.12.98) Issue 19 of AIO has now been released, this issue features the new GUI which I have been keeping under wraps from the whole Amiga community and now is your chance to have a go of it. I'm sure you'll agree it is much better than the Amigaguide style AIO. Even though the GUI has just been released, we are already updating it, send us your ideas and comments for new versions of the GUI. Some of the highlights of issue 19 include :- - Interview with Stuart Walker/Digital Images - Web of the month article - Free internet available in the UK - TechnoDataBase98 review - Amiga announce OS partners QNX - clickBOOM latest news - Preview of Tales of the Heaven Plus much, much more! AIO issue 19 will be available in the next few days from the following places :- URL : http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/ Aminet : Docs/Mags/AIOV19.lha EMail : amiga@thefree.net Plus all shop stockists and BBS distribution places of AIO. Merry Christmas! - Chris Seward Email : amiga@thefree.net Editor of Amiga Information Online Phone : +44 (0)7887 664 915 http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/ Aminet : Docs/Mags/AIOV??.lha Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List: www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From coldspring@thenet.co.uk Sat Dec 19 19:31:30 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--860-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 19 18:33:06 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 19 Dec 1998 18:33:06 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.211] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 19 Dec 1998 18:33:06 0000 Received: (qmail 20274 invoked by alias); 19 Dec 1998 18:35:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 20258 invoked from network); 19 Dec 1998 18:35:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailhost.ldn1.uk.internetfci.net) (195.74.65.20) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 1998 18:35:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 5577 invoked by alias); 19 Dec 1998 18:33:25 -0000 Received: from dip-195-74-66-241.thenet.co.uk (HELO thenet.co.uk) (195.74.66.241) by mailhost.ldn1.uk.internetfci.net with SMTP; 19 Dec 1998 18:33:25 -0000 From: Cold Spring To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 18:31:30 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Another problem.... From: Cold Spring Hello list, Another problem: I've had a serial port connector detach itself from the ribbon cable it was perforated through. I've not got a clue how to fix it. Is it buggered forever? Best Wishes, Justin ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From amiga@thefree.net Sat Dec 19 20:03:57 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--863-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 19 22:28:26 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:28:26 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.159] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:28:26 0000 Received: (qmail 2183 invoked by alias); 19 Dec 1998 22:37:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 2162 invoked from network); 19 Dec 1998 22:37:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.thefree.net) (195.34.192.14) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 1998 22:37:50 -0000 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:19:39 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from thefree.net [195.34.197.25] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:19:38 0000 From: "Chris Seward" To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 20:03:57 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Help! From: "Chris Seward" On 19-Dec-98, you wrote: > But recently, when I press A,A & Ctrl when booting to access the harddrive, it > comes up with the black screen and red box 'software error', this happens two > or three times until it eventually accesses the HDD. Why do you have to press the reset option (Ctrl, Amiga, Amiga) to boot the harddrive? - Your HD should automatically kick in, if not then I suggest you check the connections of everything from the HD to all cables attached to your computer. > > Today, it took 5 attempts and then it crashed while accessing the HDD, so on > the sixth attempt the work: drive had to be validated. There are a number of reasons that all have to be checked, firstly as I suggest above make sure everything is in its place and is pressed in securely. Second have you installed any new software to the boot of your HD ?? it could be a certain program infering if it is near the start of your HD boot. Has your computer come into contact with any magnets or any magnetic hardware or applications near to the computer, speakers, radios etc. I would suggest moving them all away. I don't actually think they would cause the problems but I suggest trying either of them just to check. Merry Christmas All! -- Chris Seward Email : amiga@thefree.net Editor of Amiga Information Online Phone : +44 (0)7887 664 915 http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/ Aminet : Docs/Mags/AIOV??.lha Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List: www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From amiga@thefree.net Sat Dec 19 20:11:56 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--862-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 19 22:28:22 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:28:22 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.159] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:28:21 0000 Received: (qmail 2181 invoked by alias); 19 Dec 1998 22:37:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 2163 invoked from network); 19 Dec 1998 22:37:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.thefree.net) (195.34.192.14) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 1998 22:37:50 -0000 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:19:41 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from thefree.net [195.34.197.25] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:19:39 0000 From: "Chris Seward" To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 20:11:56 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Install Prog. From: "Chris Seward" On 16-Dec-98, you wrote: > I have a problem, occasionally, with the Installer program. For instance > when I try to install the Epic Encyclopedia the program goes part way > through the script and just quits. Several other times I have had the > program come up with very strange errors, such as a bad command and > a bad line in the script. In some cases I have been able to modify > the script and get it to run, but most times it will not work. Alot of todays installer scripts are badly made, usually people want a professional installer so they snip bits from proper install scripts and add it together to get a shaky install script for the program of choice. This is a common problem for me especially when using PD software, commercial software shouldn't suffer from this although again if it is badly put together then it is the fault of the company. PD software on the other hand is done by non-professionals and they don't have the power/time or money to spend countless hours testing software. Usually people are so eagar to release their software that they forget to test small details like if the installer works correctly. They leave stupid things out like wanting to install from their own HD name, usually I will get errors like Cannot find MY_WAY_COOL_GAMES: Because the author has forgotten that not everyone is going to have a directory called MY_WAY_COOL_GAMES: so then this has to be changed manually. Another problem you might come accross is sometimes it will exit with a message Fault or Error leaving no clue to what is wrong, my tip is...... just give up, its the authors fault. -- Chris Seward Email : amiga@thefree.net Editor of Amiga Information Online Phone : +44 (0)7887 664 915 http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/ Aminet : Docs/Mags/AIOV??.lha Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List: www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From amiga@thefree.net Sat Dec 19 20:13:10 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--864-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 19 22:28:31 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:28:31 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.159] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:28:30 0000 Received: (qmail 2528 invoked by alias); 19 Dec 1998 22:38:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 2514 invoked from network); 19 Dec 1998 22:37:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.thefree.net) (195.34.192.14) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 1998 22:37:57 -0000 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:19:43 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from thefree.net [195.34.197.25] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:19:41 0000 From: "Chris Seward" To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 20:13:10 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: not an advert for a website From: "Chris Seward" On 17-Dec-98, you wrote: > sorry, I lied. lots of 3d pictures at, > > http://www.myamiga.freeserve.co.uk/ Was this really the correct place to post this? -- Chris Seward Email : amiga@thefree.net Editor of Amiga Information Online Phone : +44 (0)7887 664 915 http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/ Aminet : Docs/Mags/AIOV??.lha Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List: www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From amiga@thefree.net Sat Dec 19 20:15:15 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--865-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 19 22:28:31 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:28:31 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.159] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:28:31 0000 Received: (qmail 2560 invoked by alias); 19 Dec 1998 22:38:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 2515 invoked from network); 19 Dec 1998 22:37:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.thefree.net) (195.34.192.14) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 1998 22:37:57 -0000 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:19:44 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from thefree.net [195.34.197.25] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:19:43 0000 From: "Chris Seward" To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 20:15:15 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] The mobile phone saga ends... From: "Chris Seward" Right, if anyone else is wondering, you can purchase the required cable for the Ericsson GA628 from your local VodaFone dealer in the UK. Thanks for everyones 'help' if you can call it that :) It was quicker for me to email VodaFone directly, now why didn't I think of that? Oh and yes.. AIO issue 19 out :- http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/ Merry Christmas! -- Chris Seward Email : amiga@thefree.net Editor of Amiga Information Online Phone : +44 (0)7887 664 915 http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/ Aminet : Docs/Mags/AIOV??.lha Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List: www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit the AIO team at www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/index.htm From amiga@thefree.net Sat Dec 19 23:44:46 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--866-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 19 23:44:42 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:44:42 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.213] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:44:41 0000 Received: (qmail 10595 invoked by alias); 19 Dec 1998 23:55:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 10589 invoked from network); 19 Dec 1998 23:55:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.thefree.net) (195.34.192.14) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 1998 23:55:23 -0000 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:44:37 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from thefree.net [195.34.197.25] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:44:33 0000 From: "Chris Seward" To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 23:44:46 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Don't mind me... From: "Chris Seward" I'm just testing the new tag under the onelist advert, ignore me :) Merry Christmas! -- Chris Seward Email : amiga@thefree.net Editor of Amiga Information Online Phone : +44 (0)7887 664 915 http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/ Aminet : Docs/Mags/AIOV??.lha Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List: www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Read AIO at : *http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/* From tfrieden@uni-trier.de Sun Dec 20 02:04:05 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--867-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sun Dec 20 00:59:54 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sun, 20 Dec 1998 00:59:54 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.31] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sun, 20 Dec 1998 00:59:54 0000 Received: (qmail 18677 invoked by alias); 20 Dec 1998 01:00:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 18667 invoked from network); 20 Dec 1998 01:00:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rzmail.uni-trier.de) (136.199.8.220) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 1998 01:00:12 -0000 Received: from fax.uni-trier.de (fax.uni-trier.de [136.199.8.19]) by rzmail.uni-trier.de (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA01245 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 01:59:37 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 02:04:05 +0100 (CET) From: Thomas Frieden To: just-amiga@onelist.com Message-ID: Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [just-amiga] Warp3D released From: Thomas Frieden Hi. For those interested, Warp3D has been released yesterday. It can be found at Haage & Partner's 3D World website, or soon on AmiNet. Additionally, there's the new version of StormMesa on these paes, which supports Warp3D for hardware accelerated OpenGL. CU, -- Thomas Frieden (ADescent, Abuse, Warp3D) Schlosstrasse 176 * 54293 Trier http://www.informatik.uni-trier.de/CIP/tfrieden ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Read AIO at : *http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/* From colstv@hotkey.net.au Sun Dec 20 07:13:29 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--868-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sun Dec 20 06:17:12 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sun, 20 Dec 1998 06:17:12 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.135.253] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sun, 20 Dec 1998 06:17:12 0000 Received: (qmail 10230 invoked by alias); 20 Dec 1998 06:17:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 10218 invoked from network); 20 Dec 1998 06:17:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au) (203.37.241.194) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 1998 06:17:29 -0000 Received: from hotkey.net.au (maroochydore-as-dial-11.qld.hotkey.net.au [203.37.241.206]) by maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA11240 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 17:16:47 +1100 (EST) From: Colin Wenzel To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 16:13:29 +1000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Customer Help! From: Colin Wenzel On 20-Dec-98, 'name withheld' wrote: >Hello, >>Besides the fact that you have just said what computer & HD you have, >>you neglected to mention the power supply.... >Yeah, its the bog standard white Comodore p-supply >- but it has never done it before..... What - did you want it to ring bells or send you an email first !!!! The same light bulb in your kitchen never blew out more than once either. I have been in the electronics repair industry for 25 years, I am constantly amused by the absurd statements customers make regarding their appliances. I still cannot understand the psychology behind them...... EG: "The tv was working fine last night, so there can't be much wrong". "It was smoking for only about 25 minutes !!!" "It must be just a loose wire or a fuse..." "But you fixed it 3 years ago..." "I paid $2000 for it, so it can't be faulty..." "It never did that before...." "It always does that, but it never stopped totally." "The sparking noises go away after 10 minutes..." "After I accidently tipped the water in it, I turned it on to see if it would still work...." "If I get it fixed, it won't break down again, will it. ?" "I didn't really want to spend any money on it..." (what are you doing in my shop then, we don't accept chickens.) "I only wanted a quote..." (After customer authorized repair, then was rung up to collect it.) "It used to work again if I hit it on the side of the case.." (re: enquiring about cabinet damage, entire side of case crushed in) (Sorry, the parts are not available anymore for that model.) "That's not good enough, what are you going to do about it then..." (Give it back to you & tell you to go & annoy the manufacturer.) The video records if I do it manually by just pressing the red button, but it won't 'timer record' past midnight.... So the clock must be faulty somehow ? What will I do if lightning hits my antenna...... ( spontaneously combust !!! ) >also, when the machine seems to warm up, it doesn't do it >again....hmmmm.... Hmmmm,.... Would you believe an intermittent fault that goes away when it is hot." >Thanks for the advice.... Sorry about the roasting...... You're probably still young & i'm just turning into an old synical fart... My appologies .... -------------------------------------------- Colin Wenzel. Australia. | | Email: colstv@hotkey.net.au | URL: http://www.hotkey.net.au/~colstv/ | ICQ: #17608330 | | 'AMIGA' 4000T With CyberStorm-III 68060/50 | 150Mb RAM. | -------------------------------------------- AMIGA makes it possible ! | -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Read AIO at : *http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/* From mash@myamiga.freeserve.co.uk Sun Dec 20 12:00:57 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--869-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sun Dec 20 16:25:27 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sun, 20 Dec 1998 16:25:27 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.211] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sun, 20 Dec 1998 16:25:27 0000 Received: (qmail 5264 invoked by alias); 20 Dec 1998 16:27:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 5222 invoked from network); 20 Dec 1998 16:27:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail3.svr.pol.co.uk) (194.152.65.211) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 1998 16:27:18 -0000 Received: from modem-42.manisyl.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.77.170] helo=myamiga.freeserve.co.uk ident=Mash) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zrlfO-0001hf-00 for just-amiga@onelist.com; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 16:25:15 +0000 From: Matthew O'Neill To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 12:00:57 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0Preview6 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Fluffy Things Inc. Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Help! From: Matthew O'Neill Hi Chris On 19-Dec-98, you wrote: > Why do you have to press the reset option (Ctrl, Amiga, Amiga) to boot > the harddrive? - Your HD should automatically kick in, if not then I > suggest > you check the connections of everything from the HD to all cables > attached > to your computer. Because like me, and many thousands of other people, we brought cheap drives which take about 5 seconds to spin up. Only thing is the amiga has already booted, so the amiga thinks there is no drive because it isn't at full speed yet. Once you reboot, the amiga boot, while the drive is at full speed. Annoying really.. >> Today, it took 5 attempts and then it crashed while accessing the HDD, > so on >> the sixth attempt the work: drive had to be validated. Very high chance of having something dogey in the startup somewhere Failing this, wrap the harddrive in a couple of layers of paper to make sure nothing is shorting out, like it was in mine.... Regards -- Experience is directly proportional to the value of equipment destroyed. -- Carolyn Scheppner HTTP://www.myamiga.freeserve.co.uk/ Matthew O'Neill - MashMan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Read AIO at : *http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/* From mash@myamiga.freeserve.co.uk Sun Dec 20 12:03:14 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--870-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sun Dec 20 16:25:28 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sun, 20 Dec 1998 16:25:28 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.209] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sun, 20 Dec 1998 16:25:27 0000 Received: (qmail 2361 invoked by alias); 20 Dec 1998 16:26:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 2316 invoked from network); 20 Dec 1998 16:26:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail3.svr.pol.co.uk) (194.152.65.211) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 1998 16:26:54 -0000 Received: from modem-42.manisyl.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.77.170] helo=myamiga.freeserve.co.uk ident=Mash) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zrlfR-0001hf-00 for just-amiga@onelist.com; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 16:25:17 +0000 From: Matthew O'Neill To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 12:03:14 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0Preview6 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Fluffy Things Inc. Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Help! From: Matthew O'Neill Hi Cold On 19-Dec-98, you wrote: >> Besides the fact that you have just said what computer & HD you have, >> you neglected to mention the power supply.... > Yeah, its the bog standard white Comodore p-supply - but it has never done > it before.....also, when the machine seems to warm up, it doesn't do it > again....hmmmm.... If you load 50 people in a lifr designed to hold 40 people, then it will still work for a while, but will enevitably fail soon, like my supply. Once I got my 3.5" drive and accelerator the power worked for 3 weeks, then it would cut out every 2 hours, then ever hour then ever 30 minutes..... Time for a goliath power supply? Regards -- Was Yoda really a muppet or just a victim of a horrible prank? HTTP://www.myamiga.freeserve.co.uk/ Matthew O'Neill - MashMan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Read AIO at : *http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/* From mash@myamiga.freeserve.co.uk Sun Dec 20 12:06:39 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--871-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sun Dec 20 16:25:29 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sun, 20 Dec 1998 16:25:29 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.205] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sun, 20 Dec 1998 16:25:28 0000 Received: (qmail 4599 invoked by alias); 20 Dec 1998 16:23:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 4594 invoked from network); 20 Dec 1998 16:23:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail3.svr.pol.co.uk) (194.152.65.211) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 1998 16:23:46 -0000 Received: from modem-42.manisyl.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.77.170] helo=myamiga.freeserve.co.uk ident=Mash) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zrlfS-0001hf-00 for just-amiga@onelist.com; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 16:25:19 +0000 From: Matthew O'Neill To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 12:06:39 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0Preview6 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Fluffy Things Inc. Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: not an advert for a website From: Matthew O'Neill Hi Chris On 19-Dec-98, you wrote: >> sorry, I lied. lots of 3d pictures at, >> >> http://www.myamiga.freeserve.co.uk/ > Was this really the correct place to post this? Well this is the "Just Amiga" mailing list, and my website is just for amigas, just made on my amiga, by just another amiga owner...... Regards -- A tidy desk is a sign of a cluttered drawer. HTTP://www.myamiga.freeserve.co.uk/ Matthew O'Neill - MashMan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Read AIO at : *http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/* From aMIGA_dUDE@assign.u-net.com Sun Dec 20 12:21:22 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--872-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sun Dec 20 21:22:03 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sun, 20 Dec 1998 21:22:03 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from relay4.UU.NET [192.48.96.14] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sun, 20 Dec 1998 21:22:02 0000 Received: from onelist.com by relay4.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.209]) id QQfupq10646; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 14:40:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 6156 invoked by alias); 20 Dec 1998 19:42:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 6150 invoked from network); 20 Dec 1998 19:42:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mserv1a.u-net.net) (195.102.240.34) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 1998 19:42:15 -0000 Received: from (p99.nas2.is5.u-net.net) [195.102.200.227] by mserv1a.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zroie-000134-00; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 19:40:48 +0000 From: "Andrew" Organization: Private User Date: 20 Dec 98 11:21:22 +0000 X-Face: (_q}6lZ;BQops9`}X~b69)+|*BiJl_ur1MVm@7?1L%b8~r^vjuPaA+*y_KvLLQF.~mMmTO5@)C56oH;@6Zw(D}.-Fw!a+i58GajsiC$/C.!.zW,hx Message-Id: To: just-amiga@onelist.com X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS NC 1.0a Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [just-amiga] ProPassWord From: "Andrew" As the author of this program I am deciding if worth my time and effort improving my program. I don't to able to get any response's back on my program. The first thing which will been fix is GenratePassWord to work now on MUI and not Shell. Only will do this if I get anouth intrested. Go on give it a try and tell me what you think and what you would like to see in the future versions. Aminet:utils/misc/propassword.lha CUAmigaCD27:CUCD/Readers/ProPassWord (The last ever CU-Amiga!) -- -- -- Is your Amiga safe? Or you already using ProPassWord. -- \\//Amiga\\// Team AMIGA -- 603e+ 233/040 W**pUP/PowerUP 32 Meg, Zip, CD-Rom. Kickstart 3.1 PortJr, Pace56 External Voice. ISP http://www.wirenet.co.uk/ ICQ 21765436 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Read AIO at : *http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/* From aMIGA_dUDE@assign.u-net.com Sun Dec 20 12:35:56 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--873-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sun Dec 20 20:56:50 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sun, 20 Dec 1998 20:56:50 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from relay6.UU.NET [192.48.96.16] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sun, 20 Dec 1998 20:56:49 0000 Received: from onelist.com by relay6.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.213]) id QQfupq14024; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 14:40:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 26472 invoked by alias); 20 Dec 1998 19:51:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 26405 invoked from network); 20 Dec 1998 19:51:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mserv1a.u-net.net) (195.102.240.34) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 1998 19:51:37 -0000 Received: from (p99.nas2.is5.u-net.net) [195.102.200.227] by mserv1a.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zroig-000134-00; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 19:40:50 +0000 From: "Andrew" Organization: Private User Date: 20 Dec 98 11:35:56 +0000 X-Face: (_q}6lZ;BQops9`}X~b69)+|*BiJl_ur1MVm@7?1L%b8~r^vjuPaA+*y_KvLLQF.~mMmTO5@)C56oH;@6Zw(D}.-Fw!a+i58GajsiC$/C.!.zW,hx Message-Id: In-Reply-To: To: just-amiga@onelist.com X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS NC 1.0a Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Help! From: "Andrew" Well Cold Spring thats what you thought on the Sat, 19 Dec 1998 13:46:05 -0000 this is what I think, > From: Cold Spring > > Hello amiga guys, > > I'm using an A1200, 540 mb HDD, and have not connected any new hardware to the > machine. > > But recently, when I press A,A & Ctrl when booting to access the harddrive, it > comes up with the black screen and red box 'software error', this happens two > or three times until it eventually accesses the HDD. > > Today, it took 5 attempts and then it crashed while accessing the HDD, so on > the sixth attempt the work: drive had to be validated. > > So, the problem is getting worse everyday....anyone have any idea what's > happening? Is my HDD damaged? > Check you memory expansion. It isn't your HD at all. Take your accelerator board out of your Amiga. Clean the connections, _DO NOT USE ANY CLEANING SUBTANCES, OR ALCHOL_ by blowing them. Take you ram out of you accelerator and do say here as well. Then reisert these back in to you Amiga. If that dosn't work it probley PSU problem. Are you using a Tower if so check all cabbles as there are know to be able sometimes to come lose (PC's suffer from this problem as well). -- -- -- Is your Amiga safe? Or you already using ProPassWord. -- \\//Amiga\\// Team AMIGA -- 603e+ 233/040 W**pUP/PowerUP 32 Meg, Zip, CD-Rom. Kickstart 3.1 PortJr, Pace56 External Voice. ISP http://www.wirenet.co.uk/ ICQ 21765436 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Read AIO at : *http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/* From jonasth@bahnhof.se Sun Dec 20 22:49:25 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--874-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sun Dec 20 21:57:37 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sun, 20 Dec 1998 21:57:37 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.31] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sun, 20 Dec 1998 21:57:36 0000 Received: (qmail 21176 invoked by alias); 20 Dec 1998 21:57:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 21140 invoked from network); 20 Dec 1998 21:57:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sunny.bahnhof.se) (193.44.91.1) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 1998 21:57:55 -0000 Received: from pm2-19.bahnhof.se (pm2-19.bahnhof.se [195.178.166.92]) by sunny.bahnhof.se (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA13847 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 22:56:28 +0100 (MET) Date: 20 Dec 98 22:49:25 +0100 From: "Jonas Thorell" To: Andrew In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <791.658T1291T13693092@bahnhof.se> X-System: Amiga 1200(T)/030@50 Mhz, 34 Meg, 3 Gig HD, 28k8 X-Hardware: Prelude soundcard, Vlab digitizer, Domono gfx-card X-Hardware: Buddha IDE-controller, 24x CD-ROM X-Software: Aweb, Miami, Thor, ScalOS, MCP and assorted bits of bytes... X-UIN: 12427044 X-Misc-info: Who's reading this?? X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Help! From: "Jonas Thorell" Andrew (aMIGA_dUDE@assign.u-net.com) wrote: >Is your Amiga safe? Or you already using ProPassWord. Call me biased or something (haven't checked that program) but... I really think MultiUserFileSystem together with a hardware lock would make for a better security (not that an Amiga can be entirely safe). --- Let me take you on a trip around the world and back, and you won't have to move. You just sit still. Now let your mind do the walking. --- The road to hell is paved with good intentions. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Read AIO at : *http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/* From coldspring@thenet.co.uk Mon Dec 21 11:53:51 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--875-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Mon Dec 21 11:30:05 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:30:05 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.31] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:30:05 0000 Received: (qmail 16618 invoked by alias); 21 Dec 1998 11:30:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 16613 invoked from network); 21 Dec 1998 11:30:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailhost.ldn1.uk.internetfci.net) (195.74.65.20) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 21 Dec 1998 11:30:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 24299 invoked by alias); 21 Dec 1998 11:30:28 -0000 Received: from dip-195-74-66-206.thenet.co.uk (HELO thenet.co.uk) (195.74.66.206) by mailhost.ldn1.uk.internetfci.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 1998 11:30:28 -0000 From: Cold Spring To: Chris Seward Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:53:51 -0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Help! From: Cold Spring Hello Chris, >Why do you have to press the reset option (Ctrl, Amiga, Amiga) to boot Well, when I tunr the 1200 on - it gives the purple screen with the animated floppy into drive picture....then I pres A/A/ctrl and hdd loads in.... Actually, its stopped doing it the last two days....however there's a new problem: The serial connector from a ribbon cable from my Clarity 16 has fallen off - is there any way of reliably re-connecting it? Best Wishes, Justin / COLD SPRING *** PLEASE NOTE - If anyone has been attempting to email COLD SPRING in the past 18 days, our internet provider had a fibre optic cable split which needed replacing and knocked the entire net out for that time. Sorry for any inconvenience, we're happy to say everything is back to normal now. PLEASE SEND ANY EMAILS AGAIN. THANK YOU. *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Read AIO at : *http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/* From gpeake@wt.net Tue Dec 22 03:17:06 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--876-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Tue Dec 22 02:37:42 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Tue, 22 Dec 1998 02:37:42 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.135.229] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Tue, 22 Dec 1998 02:37:41 0000 Received: (qmail 16674 invoked by alias); 22 Dec 1998 02:36:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 16609 invoked from network); 22 Dec 1998 02:36:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sys32.hou.wt.net) (205.230.159.32) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 1998 02:36:45 -0000 Received: from 216-119-130-4.ipset10.wt.net (216-119-130-4.ipset10.wt.net [216.119.130.4]) by sys32.hou.wt.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA18076 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 20:51:19 -0600 (CST) Date: 21 Dec 98 20:17:06 -0600 From: "Gary Peake" To: "Tim Corringham" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <547.659T325T12172213gpeake@wt.net> X-Organization: Team AMIGA X-Url: http://www.owlnet.net X-Mailer: THOR 2.6 Jupiter (Amiga;TCP/IP) Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Why Amiga DOS 3.5 doesn't raises up 11%? From: "Gary Peake" tim@ramjam.u-net.com scribed to us about [just-amiga] Re: Why Amiga DOS 3.5 doesn't raises up 11%? in Just_Amiga >From: tim@ramjam.u-net.com (Tim Corringham) >Hi Colin >> From: Colin Wenzel >> >> Hey Tim, did you manage to get back onto the TA list....??? >> I got back on at last..... >Nope - how did you manage it? Done deal ... :) -- Gary Peake PLEASE NOTE NEW EMAIL ADDRESS!! Team AMIGA - OwlNet Net gary@owlnet.net http://www.owlnet.net (coming soon) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Read AIO at : *http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/* From tim@ramjam.u-net.com Tue Dec 22 11:42:09 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--877-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Tue Dec 22 10:42:30 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:42:30 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.205] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:42:29 0000 Received: (qmail 20256 invoked by alias); 22 Dec 1998 10:40:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 20193 invoked from network); 22 Dec 1998 10:40:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mserv1a.u-net.net) (195.102.240.34) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 1998 10:40:43 -0000 Received: from ramjam.u-net.com [194.119.178.106] by mserv1a.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zsPGj-0005zh-00; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:42:26 +0000 From: tim@ramjam.u-net.com (Tim Corringham) X-SMTP-Client: Amiga SMTPclient 0.1 by Ramjam Consultants Ltd. Date: Tue, 22 Dec 98 10:42:09 To: just-amiga@onelist.com In-Reply-To: <547.659T325T12172213gpeake@wt.net> (from just-amiga@onelist.com) (on Mon, 21 Dec 98 20:17:06) Lines: 20 X-Mailer: ADMail 1.7 Copyright 1995 S.T.Brown Message-Id: Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Why Amiga DOS 3.5 doesn't raises up 11%? From: tim@ramjam.u-net.com (Tim Corringham) Hi Gary > From: "Gary Peake" > > >> Hey Tim, did you manage to get back onto the TA list....??? > >> I got back on at last..... > > >Nope - how did you manage it? > > Done deal ... :) Thanks Gary - I wondered why I was suddenly back on the list! Tim -- ====================================================================== Tim Corringham e-mail: tim@ramjam.u-net.com Ramjam Consultants Ltd tel: +44 (0)118 946 5940 Reading, England fax: +44 (0)118 946 5941 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Read AIO at : *http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/* From mash@myamiga.freeserve.co.uk Tue Dec 22 12:55:35 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--879-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Tue Dec 22 18:36:01 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Tue, 22 Dec 1998 18:36:01 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.159] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Tue, 22 Dec 1998 18:35:57 0000 Received: (qmail 8655 invoked by alias); 22 Dec 1998 18:45:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 8560 invoked from network); 22 Dec 1998 18:45:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail4.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.211) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 1998 18:45:57 -0000 Received: from modem-72.maxipime.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.78.72] helo=myamiga.freeserve.co.uk ident=Mash) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zsUvZ-0002HY-00 for just-amiga@onelist.com; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 16:44:58 +0000 From: Matthew O'Neill To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 12:55:35 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0Preview6 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Fluffy Things Inc. Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Help! From: Matthew O'Neill Hi Cold On 21-Dec-98, you wrote: > Actually, its stopped doing it the last two days....however there's a new > problem: > The serial connector from a ribbon cable from my Clarity 16 has fallen off > - is there any way of reliably re-connecting it? You're not resetting it with a sledgehammer are you?.... Regards -- Ye has't reach'thd the last tagline in said merrily file. HTTP://www.myamiga.freeserve.co.uk/ Matthew O'Neill - MashMan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Read AIO at : *http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/* From mash@myamiga.freeserve.co.uk Tue Dec 22 12:56:35 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--878-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Tue Dec 22 18:35:11 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Tue, 22 Dec 1998 18:35:11 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.209] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Tue, 22 Dec 1998 18:35:08 0000 Received: (qmail 12673 invoked by alias); 22 Dec 1998 18:36:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 12659 invoked from network); 22 Dec 1998 18:36:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail4.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.211) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 1998 18:36:35 -0000 Received: from modem-72.maxipime.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.78.72] helo=myamiga.freeserve.co.uk ident=Mash) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zsUvc-0002HY-00 for just-amiga@onelist.com; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 16:45:00 +0000 From: Matthew O'Neill To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 12:56:35 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <791.658T1291T13693092@bahnhof.se> X-Mailer: YAM 2.0Preview6 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Fluffy Things Inc. Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Help! From: Matthew O'Neill Hi Jonas On 20-Dec-98, you wrote: >> Is your Amiga safe? Or you already using ProPassWord. > Call me biased or something (haven't checked that program) but... > I really think MultiUserFileSystem together with a hardware lock > would make for a better security (not that an Amiga can be entirely > safe). How about when you hold both mouse buttons on startup? are the file passworded then? Regards -- How many software engineers does it take to change a light bulb? One, but if he changes it, the whole building will probably fall down. HTTP://www.myamiga.freeserve.co.uk/ Matthew O'Neill - MashMan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Read AIO at : *http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/* From andy.k2@ukonline.co.uk Tue Dec 22 22:54:05 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--880-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Wed Dec 23 00:41:59 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Wed, 23 Dec 1998 00:41:59 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.205] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Wed, 23 Dec 1998 00:41:58 0000 Received: (qmail 8499 invoked by alias); 23 Dec 1998 00:40:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 8455 invoked from network); 23 Dec 1998 00:40:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hertz.ukonline.co.uk) (195.40.112.13) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 1998 00:40:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 20386 invoked from network); 23 Dec 1998 00:41:35 -0000 Received: from tnt-2-155.easynet.co.uk (andy.k2@195.40.207.155) by hertz.ukonline.co.uk with SMTP; 23 Dec 1998 00:41:35 -0000 From: "Andy Kinsella" Organization: Blurred Vision Date: 22 Dec 98 21:54:05 +0000 X-Face: *6GVv5~9n_5.l`oLVz/QRm{xg,OhLk3z@u>T-?XVKllF{63%{`klT93;*#aMX5bz1mNx=uWRsXb2|>[Fu@kw^dSCk;7\4N)_,}^2Vg:kwb?TarLc06)]Rv+66W7>\\"UY,NRTnm)JE,GfwH//Kg\?GD)FJnb{j'Cu$PLcQHdzi1>5&CqKB%cMXq(7)`D Message-Id: In-Reply-To: To: just-amiga@onelist.com X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS NC 0.238 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Help! From: "Andy Kinsella" Matthew O'Neill said this... > From: Matthew O'Neill > > Hi Jonas > > On 20-Dec-98, you wrote: > > >> Is your Amiga safe? Or you already using ProPassWord. > > > Call me biased or something (haven't checked that program) but... > > I really think MultiUserFileSystem together with a hardware lock > > would make for a better security (not that an Amiga can be entirely > > safe). > > How about when you hold both mouse buttons on startup? are the file > passworded then? > I think so. I've just d/l'd multiuserfilesystem offa Aminet. It patches FFS, so booting with no startup probably won't give you access because the thingo is written to the filesystem and atteched to the partitions via some kind of keyfile. This would mean you can only access this way if you are the system admin' and have the passwords for the keyfiles. I think I will buy another Harddrive so I can back this one up in it's current state, just incase I f*ck things up when I intall the MUFS ;) I'm not a tech' head so I could of got it wrong, and I did read the doc's at 3am 8) -- Regards, Andy. *F U B A R* @ http://www.q-soft.demon.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Read AIO at : *http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/* From iTl@nWn.dE Wed Dec 23 02:36:50 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--881-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Wed Dec 23 01:42:09 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Wed, 23 Dec 1998 01:42:09 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.209] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Wed, 23 Dec 1998 01:42:08 0000 Received: (qmail 17324 invoked by alias); 23 Dec 1998 01:43:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 17308 invoked from network); 23 Dec 1998 01:43:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.nordwest.net) (134.106.252.131) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 1998 01:43:29 -0000 Received: from nordwest.net (teRRoR@ip066.nordwest.net [134.106.224.66]) by mail.nordwest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA30644 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 03:42:43 +0100 From: uLf "iTl" Seemann To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 02:36:50 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0Preview6 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: ITL / USs+G Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Subject: [just-amiga] ARG WHAT to do now? From: uLf "iTl" Seemann Hallo all! I`ve got an big prob: When I copied a relatively large file (mov/~3M) onto my scsi-HD, the system suddenly hung and the babe was born: after rebooting there were no validating-errors and the file was not in the destination dir. I tried again and the guru returned once more. I couldn`t acces any files in that directory without errors like checksum errors.. So I did the following: I started AmiBack-Tools and had the device analyzed. Analyst found that the root-block was corrupt and suggested to install a new (empty) one. And I did that, aaarggh! From then on, the drive was suddenly named "Lazarus" and I got tons of read/write errors. DiskSalv was able to put the 20.000+ files of that drive onto another, but without the directory names (the higher levelled) and everything in a mess! Can ANYONE out there provide some help? There a 700M of important dataon it and I don`t know what to do! How can I re-create the proper, original root-block or what is needed for the disk being fine again? pLeaZe HeLP! Regardz, uLf -- . ` -- ____ _ __ ________ _ . ·-- __ __/ __/__ _/|___ _/ |/\/(_)_ __/ / -- iTl@nWn.dE ·-- / // /\ \(_-<> _< _ `//|//\/ / / / / /__ -_ _ \_/ . ·-- \_,_/___/___/|/ \_, /____ /_/ /_/ /____/ _ / \ ^ · .-- -]AMiGA[- /___//___/HonEYBee@tOPscOpE.oHz.noRTh.dE ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Read AIO at : *http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/* From colstv@hotkey.net.au Wed Dec 23 03:34:47 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--882-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Wed Dec 23 02:37:01 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Wed, 23 Dec 1998 02:37:01 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.205] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Wed, 23 Dec 1998 02:37:01 0000 Received: (qmail 6173 invoked by alias); 23 Dec 1998 02:35:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 6156 invoked from network); 23 Dec 1998 02:35:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au) (203.37.241.194) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 1998 02:35:09 -0000 Received: from hotkey.net.au (maroochydore-as-dial-5.qld.hotkey.net.au [203.37.241.200]) by maroochydore-psvr.qld.hotkey.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA08152 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:36:40 +1100 (EST) From: Colin Wenzel To: uLf "iTl" Seemann Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:34:47 +1000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: ARG WHAT to do now? From: Colin Wenzel On 23-Dec-98, uLf "iTl" Seemann wrote: >From: uLf "iTl" Seemann -snip- >Can ANYONE out there provide some help? >There a 700M of important data on it and I don`t know what to do! Learn from your experience & make backups !!! >How can I re-create the proper, original >root-block or what is needed for the disk being fine again? You don't !!! - Once you've written over it you're history... There is nothing there anymore to restore... But !!!, Keep safe, what files you have managed to extract, that may be all you get.... You can re-create the directories & re-install software again, as long as you have your data files to put back in there... Maybe someone out there can do miracles or suggest a course of action other than my (not to helpfull now) usefull suggestion... -------------------------------------------- Colin Wenzel. Australia. | | Email: colstv@hotkey.net.au | URL: http://www.hotkey.net.au/~colstv/ | ICQ: #17608330 | | 'AMIGA' 4000T With CyberStorm-III 68060/50 | 150Mb RAM. | -------------------------------------------- AMIGA makes it possible ! | -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Read AIO at : *http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/* From iTl@nWn.dE Wed Dec 23 03:43:17 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--883-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Wed Dec 23 02:43:06 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Wed, 23 Dec 1998 02:43:06 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.135.229] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Wed, 23 Dec 1998 02:43:06 0000 Received: (qmail 8477 invoked by alias); 23 Dec 1998 02:42:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 8455 invoked from network); 23 Dec 1998 02:42:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.nordwest.net) (134.106.252.131) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 1998 02:42:02 -0000 Received: from nordwest.net (teRRoR@ip066.nordwest.net [134.106.224.66]) by mail.nordwest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA32346 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 04:43:36 +0100 From: uLf "iTl" Seemann To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 03:43:17 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0Preview6 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: ITL / USs+G Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Subject: [just-amiga] Re: ARG WHAT to do now? From: uLf "iTl" Seemann Hello Colin Colin Wenzel yelled out on 23-Dez-98 regarding [just-amiga] Re: ARG WHAT to do now?: > From: Colin Wenzel > On 23-Dec-98, uLf "iTl" Seemann wrote: >> From: uLf "iTl" Seemann > -snip- >> Can ANYONE out there provide some help? >> There a 700M of important data on it and I don`t know what to do! > Learn from your experience & make backups !!! Well, on floppys?? ;-() >> How can I re-create the proper, original >> root-block or what is needed for the disk being fine again? > You don't !!! - Once you've written over it you're history... > There is nothing there anymore to restore... Oh shit. > But !!!, > Keep safe, what files you have managed to extract, > that may be all you get.... urrghm. > You can re-create the directories & Well, best/simplest way to do that? > as long as you have your data files to put back in there... > Maybe someone out there can do miracles or suggest a course of action > other than my (not to helpfull now) usefull suggestion... Thanks for fast reply, Colin! Regardz -- . ` -- ____ _ __ ________ _ . ·-- __ __/ __/__ _/|___ _/ |/\/(_)_ __/ / -- iTl@nWn.dE ·-- / // /\ \(_-<> _< _ `//|//\/ / / / / /__ -_ _ \_/ . ·-- \_,_/___/___/|/ \_, /____ /_/ /_/ /____/ _ / \ ^ · .-- -]AMiGA[- /___//___/HonEYBee@tOPscOpE.oHz.noRTh.dE ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Read AIO at : *http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/* From gpeake@wt.net Wed Dec 23 05:00:31 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--885-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Wed Dec 23 12:47:35 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:47:35 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.159] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Wed, 23 Dec 1998 12:47:34 0000 Received: (qmail 3463 invoked by alias); 23 Dec 1998 12:57:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 3454 invoked from network); 23 Dec 1998 12:57:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sys32.hou.wt.net) (205.230.159.32) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 1998 12:57:46 -0000 Received: from 216-119-130-79.ipset10.wt.net (216-119-130-79.ipset10.wt.net [216.119.130.79]) by sys32.hou.wt.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA03389 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 07:01:35 -0600 (CST) Date: 22 Dec 98 22:00:31 -0600 From: "Gary Peake" To: "Tim Corringham" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <697.660T1599T13204087gpeake@wt.net> X-Organization: Team AMIGA X-Url: http://www.owlnet.net X-Mailer: THOR 2.6 Jupiter (Amiga;TCP/IP) Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Why Amiga DOS 3.5 doesn't raises up 11%? From: "Gary Peake" tim@ramjam.u-net.com scribed to us about [just-amiga] Re: Why Amiga DOS 3.5 doesn't raises up 11%? in Just_Amiga >From: tim@ramjam.u-net.com (Tim Corringham) >Hi Gary >> From: "Gary Peake" >> >> >> Hey Tim, did you manage to get back onto the TA list....??? >> >> I got back on at last..... >> >> >Nope - how did you manage it? >> >> Done deal ... :) >Thanks Gary - I wondered why I was suddenly back on the list! I have been told I have magic fingers, but I can't tell ya who said it ... :) -- Gary Peake PLEASE NOTE NEW EMAIL ADDRESS!! Team AMIGA - OwlNet Net gary@owlnet.net http://www.owlnet.net (coming soon) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Read AIO at : *http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/* From jonasth@bahnhof.se Wed Dec 23 09:51:50 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--884-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Wed Dec 23 08:53:09 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Wed, 23 Dec 1998 08:53:09 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.207] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Wed, 23 Dec 1998 08:53:08 0000 Received: (qmail 24282 invoked by alias); 23 Dec 1998 09:52:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 24260 invoked from network); 23 Dec 1998 09:52:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sunny.bahnhof.se) (193.44.91.1) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 1998 09:52:13 -0000 Received: from metro (metro.bahnhof.se [193.44.91.2]) by sunny.bahnhof.se (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA17253 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:51:54 +0100 (MET) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:51:50 +0100 (MET) From: Jonas Thorell X-Sender: jonasth@metro To: just-amiga@onelist.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Help! From: Jonas Thorell On Tue, 22 Dec 1998, Matthew O'Neill wrote: > > Call me biased or something (haven't checked that program) but... > > I really think MultiUserFileSystem together with a hardware lock > > would make for a better security (not that an Amiga can be entirely > > safe). > How about when you hold both mouse buttons on startup? are the file > passworded then? Not password protectedt but they are indeed protected if you do it like that. If someone else but me logs in on my 3000, he/she can not accidentely delete my or the system files. Or execute certain programs. I could lock other people out all together if I wanted to. /Jonas ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Read AIO at : *http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/* From malky@nobleone.u-net.com Wed Dec 23 18:17:39 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--886-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Wed Dec 23 19:21:40 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Wed, 23 Dec 1998 19:21:40 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.213] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Wed, 23 Dec 1998 19:21:39 0000 Received: (qmail 26959 invoked by alias); 23 Dec 1998 19:32:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 26954 invoked from network); 23 Dec 1998 19:32:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO serv1.is4.u-net.net) (195.102.240.153) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 1998 19:32:39 -0000 Received: from p36.nas2.is4.u-net.net [195.102.198.164] (malky) by serv1.is4.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0zstqI-0000w5-00; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 19:21:11 +0000 From: "Malcolm Harnden" Organization: A4000 040/40Mhz PPC200Mhz CVPPC User Date: 23 Dec 98 17:17:39 +0000 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: To: just-amiga@onelist.com X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS NC 1.0a Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [just-amiga] Re: ProPassWord From: "Malcolm Harnden" 20 Dec 98 11:21:22 +0000 [just-amiga] ProPassWord Hi Andrew My modest reply to your.... --------------------------- > From: "Andrew" > > As the author of this program I am deciding if worth my time and > effort improving my program. Does it work if you boot from floppy? What happens if like me you need to boot without startup-sequence? One that cannot be bypassed would be one I invest in. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Malcolm Harnden *PPC* software support will be met with *MONEY* from the _PPC_ user named below. Visit My WebSite at:- http://www.nobleone.u-net.com Email me at:- malky@nobleone.u-net.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Read AIO at : *http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/* From jonasth@bahnhof.se Thu Dec 24 00:30:46 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--887-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Thu Dec 24 10:54:58 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Thu, 24 Dec 1998 10:54:58 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from relay5.UU.NET [192.48.96.15] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Thu, 24 Dec 1998 10:54:57 0000 Received: from onelist.com by relay5.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: pop.onelist.com [209.207.164.209]) id QQfvbj22995; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 18:51:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 14589 invoked by alias); 23 Dec 1998 23:52:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 14449 invoked from network); 23 Dec 1998 23:52:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sunny.bahnhof.se) (193.44.91.1) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 1998 23:52:45 -0000 Received: from pm1-09.bahnhof.se (pm1-09.bahnhof.se [195.178.166.22]) by sunny.bahnhof.se (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA06980 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 00:50:09 +0100 (MET) Date: 24 Dec 98 00:30:46 +0100 From: "Jonas Thorell" To: "Andy Kinsella" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1416.662T2324T304577@bahnhof.se> X-System: Amiga 1200(T)/030@50 Mhz, 34 Meg, 3 Gig HD, 28k8 X-Hardware: Prelude soundcard, Vlab digitizer, Domono gfx-card X-Hardware: Buddha IDE-controller, 24x CD-ROM X-Software: Aweb, Miami, Thor, ScalOS, MCP and assorted bits of bytes... X-UIN: 12427044 X-Misc-info: Who's reading this?? X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Help! From: "Jonas Thorell" Andy Kinsella (andy.k2@ukonline.co.uk) wrote: >I think so. I've just d/l'd multiuserfilesystem offa Aminet. It >patches FFS, so booting with no startup probably won't give you access >because the thingo is written to the filesystem and atteched to the >partitions via some kind of keyfile. Something like that. Mormally, you just have the SRWED flags. With MuFS you have those flags multiplied by three. One for the owner of the file, one for users in his user-group and one for everyone else. So, the flags for security flags for s:startup-sequence would look like this: SRWEDSR-E-SR-E- Which means that root have full access and can change, delete and do whatever he pleases with it. Everybody else can just read and execute it. >I think I will buy another Harddrive so I can back this one up in it's >current state, just incase I f*ck things up when I intall the MUFS ;) Very good idea. MuFS is a very dangerous tool if used the wrong way. --- Let me take you on a trip around the world and back, and you won't have to move. You just sit still. Now let your mind do the walking. --- Microsoft HQ = Sillicon Hell ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Read AIO at : *http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/* From amiga@thefree.net Fri Dec 25 00:10:09 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--888-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Fri Dec 25 18:51:06 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Fri, 25 Dec 1998 18:51:06 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.213] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Fri, 25 Dec 1998 18:51:05 0000 Received: (qmail 10787 invoked by alias); 25 Dec 1998 19:02:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 10771 invoked from network); 25 Dec 1998 19:02:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.thefree.net) (195.34.192.14) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 1998 19:02:14 -0000 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Fri, 25 Dec 1998 18:48:55 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from thefree.net [195.34.195.175] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Fri, 25 Dec 1998 18:48:54 0000 From: "Chris Seward" To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 00:10:09 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] IRC questions and 24hr connection? From: "Chris Seward" I think i've asked this before but alot of new people have joined so i'll ask again, especially to the Uni students. Does anyone have an amiga connected to the internet 24 hours. If so please contact me ASAP. Otherwise does anyone know how its possible to own an irc server if your not connected 24 hours and running it yourself, most shells won't allow irc servers, is there a certain company or would normal ISPs run these? Anyone got any ideas on prices etc? Merry Christmas! -- Chris Seward Email : amiga@thefree.net Editor of Amiga Information Online Phone : +44 (0)7887 664 915 http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/ Aminet : Docs/Mags/AIOV??.lha Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List: www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Read AIO at : *http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/* From amiga@thefree.net Fri Dec 25 00:19:43 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--889-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Fri Dec 25 18:51:10 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Fri, 25 Dec 1998 18:51:10 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.213] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Fri, 25 Dec 1998 18:51:10 0000 Received: (qmail 10984 invoked by alias); 25 Dec 1998 19:02:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 10964 invoked from network); 25 Dec 1998 19:02:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.thefree.net) (195.34.192.14) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 1998 19:02:19 -0000 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Fri, 25 Dec 1998 18:48:57 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from thefree.net [195.34.195.175] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Fri, 25 Dec 1998 18:48:55 0000 From: "Chris Seward" To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 00:19:43 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Subject: [just-amiga] Ohh didn't C&W pull all the stops! From: "Chris Seward" Disappointed with Cable and Wireless's Christmas present as they seemed to have put it, the long distance calls to USA/Canada for two hours £5 and to Australia for 2 hours £7.50 which is good but apart from that, pah! 1p a min long distance, not much use for internet users who use the 50p all saturday offer :(( Last year it was 50p all day Christmas Eve, Christmas Day and Boxing day. Are the 'good' offers going now they have all the customers and making money, hopefully not! Does anyone know if C&W have extended the 50p all. 1999 because i'm slightly confused about the advert, it says C&W customers enjoy all day saturdays long distance for no more than 50p all year round, is it a con and that means 1998 with only 1 more saturday or does it mean 1999? Merry Christmas! -- Chris Seward Email : amiga@thefree.net Editor of Amiga Information Online Phone : +44 (0)7887 664 915 http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/ Aminet : Docs/Mags/AIOV??.lha Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List: www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Read AIO at : *http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/* From amiga@thefree.net Fri Dec 25 18:41:53 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--890-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Fri Dec 25 18:51:15 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Fri, 25 Dec 1998 18:51:15 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.213] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Fri, 25 Dec 1998 18:51:15 0000 Received: (qmail 11185 invoked by alias); 25 Dec 1998 19:02:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 11173 invoked from network); 25 Dec 1998 19:02:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.thefree.net) (195.34.192.14) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 25 Dec 1998 19:02:24 -0000 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Fri, 25 Dec 1998 18:49:01 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from thefree.net [195.34.195.175] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Fri, 25 Dec 1998 18:48:57 0000 From: "Chris Seward" To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 18:41:53 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] MERRY CHRISTMAS!!! From: "Chris Seward" *MERRY CHRISTMAS* everyone, just recovering, hope you all didn't drink to much Egg Nog, whatever that stuff is :) If father christmas is still doing his rounds heres a few things I wouldn't mind :- - Free registered web domain - fast irc server with registered domain - isdn line - free phone bills - 1 million visits to the AIO site - peace on earth (!?!) If thats too much Santa drop the last one :-) Again *Merry Christmas*! and have a great (drunk ?!) new year! *Merry Christmas!* -- Chris Seward Email : amiga@thefree.net Editor of Amiga Information Online Phone : +44 (0)7887 664 915 http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/ Aminet : Docs/Mags/AIOV??.lha Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List: www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Read AIO at : *http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/* From amiga@thefree.net Fri Dec 25 20:42:23 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--892-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 26 00:04:48 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 00:04:48 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.135.229] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 00:04:48 0000 Received: (qmail 20899 invoked by alias); 26 Dec 1998 00:03:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 20844 invoked from network); 26 Dec 1998 00:03:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.thefree.net) (195.34.192.14) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 1998 00:03:48 -0000 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 00:04:41 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from thefree.net [195.34.195.185] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 00:04:39 0000 From: "Chris Seward" To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 20:42:23 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Customer Help! From: "Chris Seward" On 20-Dec-98, you wrote: > EG: "The tv was working fine last night, so there can't be much wrong". > > "It was smoking for only about 25 minutes !!!" > > "It must be just a loose wire or a fuse..." Heehee, those are all too true, i did laugh :)))) > Sorry about the roasting...... You're probably still young & i'm > just turning into an old synical fart... Don't forget everyone can't be a brain like you. -- Chris Seward Email : amiga@thefree.net Editor of Amiga Information Online Phone : +44 (0)7887 664 915 http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/ Aminet : Docs/Mags/AIOV??.lha Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List: www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Read AIO at : *http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/* From amiga@thefree.net Fri Dec 25 20:44:53 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--893-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 26 00:04:54 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 00:04:54 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.135.229] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 00:04:53 0000 Received: (qmail 21071 invoked by alias); 26 Dec 1998 00:03:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 21065 invoked from network); 26 Dec 1998 00:03:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.thefree.net) (195.34.192.14) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 1998 00:03:53 -0000 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 00:04:43 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from thefree.net [195.34.195.185] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 00:04:41 0000 From: "Chris Seward" To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 20:44:53 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Help! To Mashman From: "Chris Seward" On 20-Dec-98, you wrote: >. Time > for a goliath power supply? Not really :)).... why? they don't make 'em anymore! Cheers! -- Chris Seward Email : amiga@thefree.net Editor of Amiga Information Online Phone : +44 (0)7887 664 915 http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/ Aminet : Docs/Mags/AIOV??.lha Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List: www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Read AIO at : *http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/* From amiga@thefree.net Fri Dec 25 20:46:36 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--894-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 26 00:04:58 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 00:04:58 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.135.229] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 00:04:57 0000 Received: (qmail 21248 invoked by alias); 26 Dec 1998 00:03:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 21166 invoked from network); 26 Dec 1998 00:03:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.thefree.net) (195.34.192.14) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 1998 00:03:57 -0000 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 00:04:49 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from thefree.net [195.34.195.185] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 00:04:44 0000 From: "Chris Seward" To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 20:46:36 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: not an advert for a website From: "Chris Seward" Matt, On 20-Dec-98, you wrote: > Well this is the "Just Amiga" mailing list, and my website is just for > amigas, just made on my amiga, by just another amiga owner...... Ok, your forgiven :) SO ALL VISIT :- http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/ OPPPS i mean http://www.myamiga.freeserve.co.uk Laughs! -- Chris Seward Email : amiga@thefree.net Editor of Amiga Information Online Phone : +44 (0)7887 664 915 http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/ Aminet : Docs/Mags/AIOV??.lha Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List: www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Read AIO at : *http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/* From amiga@thefree.net Fri Dec 25 20:50:53 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--895-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 26 00:05:00 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 00:05:00 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.135.229] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 00:04:59 0000 Received: (qmail 21249 invoked by alias); 26 Dec 1998 00:04:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 21233 invoked from network); 26 Dec 1998 00:03:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.thefree.net) (195.34.192.14) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 1998 00:03:58 -0000 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 00:04:52 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from thefree.net [195.34.195.185] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 00:04:50 0000 From: "Chris Seward" To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 20:50:53 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Help! From: "Chris Seward" On 22-Dec-98, you wrote: > How about when you hold both mouse buttons on startup? are the file > passworded then? Its not one of those programs that sit in your Starup Sequence and ask for a password when booting? otherwise you can just boot with a floppy or no startup and delete it out of your startup-sequence. Those only work on non-computer type people :-) Have a drink on me.... I did :) -- Chris Seward Email : amiga@thefree.net Editor of Amiga Information Online Phone : +44 (0)7887 664 915 http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/ Aminet : Docs/Mags/AIOV??.lha Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List: www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Read AIO at : *http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/* From amiga@thefree.net Fri Dec 25 20:54:43 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--896-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 26 00:05:01 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 00:05:01 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.135.229] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 00:05:00 0000 Received: (qmail 21437 invoked by alias); 26 Dec 1998 00:04:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 21247 invoked from network); 26 Dec 1998 00:03:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.thefree.net) (195.34.192.14) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 1998 00:03:59 -0000 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 00:04:53 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from thefree.net [195.34.195.185] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 00:04:52 0000 From: "Chris Seward" To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 20:54:43 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: ARG WHAT to do now? From: "Chris Seward" On 23-Dec-98, you wrote: >>> Can ANYONE out there provide some help? Ermm, cry and beg for forgiveness :)? Sorry this christmas spirit (spirits more like, yum) has made me go crazy! Rebooting Chris... -- Chris Seward Email : amiga@thefree.net Editor of Amiga Information Online Phone : +44 (0)7887 664 915 http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/ Aminet : Docs/Mags/AIOV??.lha Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List: www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Read AIO at : *http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/* From amiga@thefree.net Fri Dec 25 21:00:44 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--897-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 26 00:05:05 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 00:05:05 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.135.229] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 00:05:04 0000 Received: (qmail 21610 invoked by alias); 26 Dec 1998 00:04:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 21488 invoked from network); 26 Dec 1998 00:04:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.thefree.net) (195.34.192.14) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 1998 00:04:03 -0000 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 00:04:55 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from thefree.net [195.34.195.185] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 00:04:54 0000 From: "Chris Seward" To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 21:00:44 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Leased Lines From: "Chris Seward" Anyone know anything about leased lines, whats the cheapest you've seen, how much are they normally? I don't expect them to be cheap because you pay no phone bill, but any info is greatfully received. Happy New Year! -- Chris Seward Email : amiga@thefree.net Editor of Amiga Information Online Phone : +44 (0)7887 664 915 http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/ Aminet : Docs/Mags/AIOV??.lha Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List: www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Read AIO at : *http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/* From bill.eaves@zetnet.co.uk Fri Dec 25 22:34:02 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--891-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Fri Dec 25 22:21:13 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Fri, 25 Dec 1998 22:21:13 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.13] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Fri, 25 Dec 1998 22:21:13 0000 Received: (qmail 16609 invoked by alias); 26 Dec 1998 23:18:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 16604 invoked from network); 26 Dec 1998 23:18:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO irwell.zetnet.co.uk) (194.247.47.48) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 1998 23:18:31 -0000 Received: from zetnet.co.uk (bill.eaves@man-163.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.40.207]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA20894 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 22:21:01 GMT From: Bill Eaves To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 21:34:02 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0Preview6 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: MERRY CHRISTMAS!!! From: Bill Eaves Hello Chris > Again *Merry Christmas*! I was working all day :-( > and have a great (drunk ?!) new year! Say no more, it is already planned :o) Regards, Bill. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Read AIO at : *http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/* From amiga@thefree.net Fri Dec 25 23:11:25 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--898-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 26 00:05:11 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 00:05:11 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.135.229] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 00:05:10 0000 Received: (qmail 21931 invoked by alias); 26 Dec 1998 00:04:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 21926 invoked from network); 26 Dec 1998 00:04:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.thefree.net) (195.34.192.14) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 1998 00:04:10 -0000 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 00:05:03 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from thefree.net [195.34.195.185] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 00:05:02 0000 From: "Chris Seward" To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 23:11:25 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Special 'Print' version of AIO???! From: "Chris Seward" Just throwing some ideas around, i've decided it might be a nice idea to do a special AIO in print for the 2 years birthday issue? I'd need to see if this was commercially viable judging by your response, if you think it'd be a good idea please just email me at :- amiga@thefree.net I'd need at least about 100 people interested in it to go ahead. Happy New Year! -- Chris Seward Email : amiga@thefree.net Editor of Amiga Information Online Phone : +44 (0)7887 664 915 http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/ Aminet : Docs/Mags/AIOV??.lha Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List: www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Read AIO at : *http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/* From tom.hurst@clara.net Sat Dec 26 01:08:42 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--900-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 26 13:42:33 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 13:42:33 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.31] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 13:42:32 0000 Received: (qmail 16994 invoked by alias); 26 Dec 1998 13:43:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 16989 invoked from network); 26 Dec 1998 13:43:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO remus) (195.8.69.79) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 1998 13:43:07 -0000 Received: from clara.net (Tom@du-028-0062.claranet.co.uk [195.8.86.62]) by remus (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA13912 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 13:42:23 GMT (envelope-from tom.hurst@clara.net) From: Thomas Hurst To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 00:08:42 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: AmiSITE -> http://surf.to/amisite <- AmiSITE Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: IRC questions and 24hr connection? From: Thomas Hurst Hi! On 24-Dec-98, Chris Seward wrote: > I think i've asked this before but alot of new people have joined > so i'll ask again, especially to the Uni students. > > Does anyone have an amiga connected to the internet 24 hours. If > so please contact me ASAP. I know one or two PPL with that sort of set up... > Otherwise does anyone know how its possible to own an irc server > if your not connected 24 hours and running it yourself, most shells > won't allow irc servers, is there a certain company or would normal > ISPs run these? Anyone got any ideas on prices etc? WTF do you want to run your own IRC server? Do you want to run your own IRC network or something? :) Try ArcNet if you want an Amiga orientated network with Amiga servers - http://arcnet.vapor.com ;) Regards Tom -- Editor, AmiSITE <------> http://surf.to/amisite #The online Magazine for those who dare to be different.# ICQ:17701673 - IRC:Freaky - RC5: 12437 2^28 blocks done I've got a (working) BVision, Nya nya nya! :) -- Good for 1 (one) hug, redeemable from your local friend. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Read AIO at : *http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/* From tom.hurst@clara.net Sat Dec 26 01:11:51 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--901-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 26 13:42:34 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 13:42:34 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.159] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 13:42:34 0000 Received: (qmail 25140 invoked by alias); 26 Dec 1998 13:53:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 25135 invoked from network); 26 Dec 1998 13:53:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO remus) (195.8.69.79) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 1998 13:53:19 -0000 Received: from clara.net (Tom@du-028-0062.claranet.co.uk [195.8.86.62]) by remus (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA13915 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 13:42:26 GMT (envelope-from tom.hurst@clara.net) From: Thomas Hurst To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 00:11:51 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: AmiSITE -> http://surf.to/amisite <- AmiSITE Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: MERRY CHRISTMAS!!! From: Thomas Hurst Hi! On 25-Dec-98, Chris Seward wrote: > *MERRY CHRISTMAS* everyone, just recovering, hope you all didn't > drink to much Egg Nog, whatever that stuff is :) > > If father christmas is still doing his rounds heres a few things I > wouldn't mind :- > > - Free registered web domain Well... > - fast irc server with registered domain uk3.arcnet.vapor.com :) > - isdn line Yuk... I want a decent system, like a cable modem or a T1 :) > - free phone bills Don't we all... but then it wouldn't be bill, would it :) > - 1 million visits to the AIO site I'll have that for AmiSITE, too :) > - peace on earth (!?!) What? That's a dumb wish, ask for a fast car or something ;) Regards Tom -- Editor, AmiSITE <------> http://surf.to/amisite #The online Magazine for those who dare to be different.# ICQ:17701673 - IRC:Freaky - RC5: 12437 2^28 blocks done I've got a (working) BVision, Nya nya nya! :) -- The Borg assimilated my race, and all I got was this lousy tagline. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Read AIO at : *http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/* From hotcakes@abacus.net.au Sat Dec 26 07:23:44 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--899-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 26 02:20:09 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 02:20:09 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.135.253] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 02:20:06 0000 Received: (qmail 6852 invoked by alias); 26 Dec 1998 02:20:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 6757 invoked from network); 26 Dec 1998 02:20:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO a1bbs.abacus.net.au) (203.32.176.30) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 1998 02:20:29 -0000 Received: from [203.32.176.34] by abacus.net.au id 660a0.wrk; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 12:48:20 EDT From: Toby Zuijdveld To: uLf "iTl" Seemann Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 11:23:44 +0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Res=A1stance?= Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Subject: [just-amiga] Re: ARG WHAT to do now? From: Toby Zuijdveld On 23-Dec-98, uLf "iTl" Seemann set out across the seas with this message: ->> You can re-create the directories & ->Well, best/simplest way to do that? Make sure you have around 50-100 spare hours and use DOpus? =] -- *************** *** CAT TAG *** Which one is the any key? *************** _ _ _ __ _ _ /\_ _ _________\/_________/\___ -- Toby Zuijdveld -- \____ ¬\/. ______ __/ | ) _/\____ \/ \ -EMail : mailto:hotcakes@abacus.net.au- |! | ¬\ \ \\ \\ - HTTP : http://abacus.net.au/hotcakes |___| //_____ //___ // [ Last updated : 24·12·98 ] !___/ \/DTN.\/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Read AIO at : *http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/* From alan@a51krew.demon.co.uk Sat Dec 26 12:05:19 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--910-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 26 22:00:52 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 22:00:52 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.159] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 22:00:51 0000 Received: (qmail 27126 invoked by alias); 26 Dec 1998 22:11:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 27120 invoked from network); 26 Dec 1998 22:11:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.mail.demon.net) (194.217.242.27) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 1998 22:11:36 -0000 Received: from [193.237.50.6] (helo=a51krew.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zu1lE-0003Qj-00 for just-amiga@onelist.com; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 22:00:37 +0000 From: Alan Gryniewicz To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:05:19 +0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0Preview6 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: AREA 51 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Special 'Print' version of AIO???! From: Alan Gryniewicz HiYA Chris ! > Just throwing some ideas around, i've decided it might be a nice idea > to do a special AIO in print for the 2 years birthday issue? I'd need I know you put to e-mail you privately about this but I thought it would be useful to send my ideas straight to the list then people can tell me if I talking complete crap!! hehe :) It certainly seems a nice idea, the only possible problem being the financial viability of it all! Are you planning on just making the new issue in print or it being a special 2 year anniversary issue with classic old interviews and stuff from older issues.... might be a good idea... how about photos of the AIO team in there too?? > I'd need at least about 100 people interested in it to go ahead. Well I would certainly like a copy so that's only 99 people to go! :) How about asking people to pay in advance like a subscription?? Not sure how popular this idea will be though. Another option might be to get in contact with Amiga Format and ask how they would feel about putting it in as a supplement with an issue of AF. Not sure how the financial situation would be on this but it would certainly be professionally produced and distributed well! Hope this helps! C yA! Alan -- The only difference between a rut and a grave is the depth +----------------------------|¯|/¯¯¯||¯|/¯¯¯||¯|/¯¯¯||¯|/¯¯¯|-:::::-::-+ | Alan Gryniewicz (zYX!/A51) | |¯¯| || |¯¯| || |¯¯¯¯ | |¯¯| | :: :: | | *ICQ - 22305156* | |/¯ || |/¯ _|| |/¯¯¯|| |/¯ | ::::: :: | | alan@a51krew.demon.co.uk | |¯¯| || |¯\ \ | |¯¯¯¯ | |¯¯| | :: :: | +----------------------------|_|--|_||_|--\_\|_|/¯¯¯||_|--|_|-:::::-::-+ ¯¯¯¯ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Read AIO at : *http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/* From tom.hurst@clara.net Sat Dec 26 14:25:25 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--902-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 26 13:42:36 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 13:42:36 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.205] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 13:42:36 0000 Received: (qmail 10206 invoked by alias); 26 Dec 1998 13:40:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 10201 invoked from network); 26 Dec 1998 13:40:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO remus) (195.8.69.79) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 1998 13:40:45 -0000 Received: from clara.net (Tom@du-028-0062.claranet.co.uk [195.8.86.62]) by remus (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA13922 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 13:42:28 GMT (envelope-from tom.hurst@clara.net) From: Thomas Hurst To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 13:25:25 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: AmiSITE -> http://surf.to/amisite <- AmiSITE Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Help! From: Thomas Hurst Hi! On 25-Dec-98, Chris Seward wrote: > On 22-Dec-98, you wrote: > >> How about when you hold both mouse buttons on startup? are the file >> passworded then? > > Its not one of those programs that sit in your Starup Sequence > and ask for a password when booting? otherwise you can just boot > with a floppy or no startup and delete it out of your startup-sequence. > > Those only work on non-computer type people :-) MUFS is rather more powerful than that - it patches the file system so even booting with no SS won't let you access files without logging in... no matter what you do. As you can imagine, if you make a mistake you can seriouly screw up your system :) > Have a drink on me.... I did :) Nope, I'd rather have one on my coffee table ;) Regards Tom -- Editor, AmiSITE <------> http://surf.to/amisite #The online magazine for those who dare to be different.# ICQ:17701673 - IRC:Freaky - RC5: 12469 2^28 blocks done -- Too many errors on one line (make fewer) -Apple's MPW C compiler Error Message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Read AIO at : *http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/* From ianurie@jwu.u-net.com Sat Dec 26 14:27:37 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--909-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 26 21:36:11 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 21:36:11 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.159] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 21:36:10 0000 Received: (qmail 12528 invoked by alias); 26 Dec 1998 21:46:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 12486 invoked from network); 26 Dec 1998 21:46:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mserv1a.u-net.net) (195.102.240.34) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 1998 21:46:55 -0000 Received: from (p57.nas1.is4.u-net.net) [195.102.198.57] by mserv1a.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zu1NZ-0004YO-00; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 21:36:10 +0000 Date: 26 Dec 98 08:27:37 -0500 From: "ian urie" To: "Chris Seward" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <571.664T1850T5075093@jwu.u-net.com> Organization: At Home X-Installer: Wirenet 1.8 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Special 'Print' version of AIO???! From: "ian urie" On 25-Dec-98 17:11:25, Chris Seward said about [just-amiga] Special 'Print' version of AIO???!: > From: "Chris Seward" > i've decided it might be a nice idea > to do a special AIO in print for the 2 years birthday issue? > I'd need at least about 100 people interested in it to go ahead. Go for it...... thats one at least :) -- Ian Urie Uin:19729444 Connected via Wirenet - the UK's first Amiga only internet provider Alzheimer's Club: Meet the same new friend every day. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Read AIO at : *http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/* From mash@myamiga.freeserve.co.uk Sat Dec 26 15:09:37 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--905-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 26 17:51:46 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 17:51:46 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.13] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 17:51:46 0000 Received: (qmail 32300 invoked by alias); 27 Dec 1998 18:49:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 32294 invoked from network); 27 Dec 1998 18:49:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail11.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.23) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 1998 18:49:09 -0000 Received: from modem-117.americium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.47.117] helo=myamiga.freeserve.co.uk ident=Mash) by mail11.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 0ztxsG-0007Pt-00 for just-amiga@onelist.com; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 17:51:37 +0000 From: Matthew O'Neill To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 15:09:37 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0Preview6 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Fluffy Things Inc. Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Help! To Mashman From: Matthew O'Neill Hi Chris On 25-Dec-98, you wrote: >> . Time >> for a goliath power supply? > Not really :)).... why? they don't make 'em anymore! Bah!, they're all the same!!! my goliath has been gpoing for yonks.......how long is a yonk anyway? Regards -- diminutive one will suffice. HTTP://www.myamiga.freeserve.co.uk/ Matthew O'Neill - MashMan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Read AIO at : *http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/* From mash@myamiga.freeserve.co.uk Sat Dec 26 15:10:35 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--906-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 26 17:51:56 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 17:51:56 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.31] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 17:51:55 0000 Received: (qmail 2096 invoked by alias); 26 Dec 1998 17:52:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 2084 invoked from network); 26 Dec 1998 17:52:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail11.svr.pol.co.uk) (195.92.193.23) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 1998 17:52:28 -0000 Received: from modem-117.americium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.47.117] helo=myamiga.freeserve.co.uk ident=Mash) by mail11.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 0ztxsN-0007Pt-00 for just-amiga@onelist.com; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 17:51:46 +0000 From: Matthew O'Neill To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 15:10:35 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0Preview6 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Fluffy Things Inc. Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: not an advert for a website From: Matthew O'Neill Hi Chris On 25-Dec-98, you wrote: > Ok, your forgiven :) SO ALL VISIT :- > http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/ > OPPPS i mean > http://www.myamiga.freeserve.co.uk > Laughs! Ohhhhh, that was low!!!!!! Regards -- Knock firmly but softly, I love soft firm knockers HTTP://www.myamiga.freeserve.co.uk/ Matthew O'Neill - MashMan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Read AIO at : *http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/* From aMIGA_dUDE@assign.u-net.com Sat Dec 26 15:16:15 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--903-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 26 16:59:56 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:59:56 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.213] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:59:55 0000 Received: (qmail 16012 invoked by alias); 26 Dec 1998 17:11:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 15996 invoked from network); 26 Dec 1998 17:11:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mserv1a.u-net.net) (195.102.240.34) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 1998 17:11:07 -0000 Received: from (p45.nas1.is5.u-net.net) [195.102.200.45] by mserv1a.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ztx4F-0002qb-00; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:59:56 +0000 From: "Andrew" Organization: Private User Date: 26 Dec 98 14:16:15 +0000 X-Face: (_q}6lZ;BQops9`}X~b69)+|*BiJl_ur1MVm@7?1L%b8~r^vjuPaA+*y_KvLLQF.~mMmTO5@)C56oH;@6Zw(D}.-Fw!a+i58GajsiC$/C.!.zW,hx Message-Id: To: just-amiga@onelist.com X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS NC 1.0a Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [just-amiga] Re: ProPassWord From: "Andrew" Well Malcolm Harnden thats what you thought on the 23 Dec 98 17:17:39 +0000 this is what I think, > > > > As the author of this program I am deciding if worth my time and > > effort improving my program. > > Does it work if you boot from floppy? > What happens if like me you need to boot without startup-sequence? > > > One that cannot be bypassed would be one I invest in. On the version I that i'll might wright could have that feature. I have been doing some trails on such solution for sometime now. I wont say to much but gosh it's simple to give such a feature. -- On lighter side someone had surgested to me to give a feature which :- 1) Showed * as you type pass work (Go long with) 2) Show you password on screen as you enter them. What is point I ask my self? -- -- Is your Amiga safe? Or you already using ProPassWord. -- \\//Amiga\\// Team AMIGA RC5 -- 603e+ 233/040 PowerUP, 32 Meg, BVision, Zip, CD-Rom. Kickstart 3.1 PortJr, Pace56 External Voice. ISP http://www.wirenet.co.uk/ ICQ 21765436 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Read AIO at : *http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/* From aMIGA_dUDE@assign.u-net.com Sat Dec 26 15:16:39 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--904-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 26 17:00:03 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 17:00:03 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.205] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 17:00:02 0000 Received: (qmail 3767 invoked by alias); 26 Dec 1998 16:58:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 3655 invoked from network); 26 Dec 1998 16:58:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mserv1a.u-net.net) (195.102.240.34) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 1998 16:58:03 -0000 Received: from (p45.nas1.is5.u-net.net) [195.102.200.45] by mserv1a.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ztx4H-0002qb-00; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:59:57 +0000 From: "Andrew" Organization: Private User Date: 26 Dec 98 14:16:39 +0000 X-Face: (_q}6lZ;BQops9`}X~b69)+|*BiJl_ur1MVm@7?1L%b8~r^vjuPaA+*y_KvLLQF.~mMmTO5@)C56oH;@6Zw(D}.-Fw!a+i58GajsiC$/C.!.zW,hx Message-Id: To: just-amiga@onelist.com X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS NC 1.0a Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Help! From: "Andrew" Well Matthew O'Neill thats what you thought on the Tue, 22 Dec 1998 12:56:35 +0100 this is what I think, > From: Matthew O'Neill > > Hi Jonas > > On 20-Dec-98, you wrote: > > >> Is your Amiga safe? Or you already using ProPassWord. > > > Call me biased or something (haven't checked that program) but... > > I really think MultiUserFileSystem together with a hardware lock > > would make for a better security (not that an Amiga can be entirely > > safe). > > How about when you hold both mouse buttons on startup? are the file > passworded then? > The problem with passwording each file is:- 1) Whould use to much CPU power. 2) Badly writen programs could make life hell, ie games which save data then apporox 50/80Th secoend's later kill to O/S. Then you have lost that say for ever probley. 3) If you forget password with MUFS you are, well stuffed. 4) I havn't got a clue how make such system work! But I do have my own system which don't have to change anything. You wouldn't belive how simple it is and how well it work's! -- You usual find me on talking about this stuff at http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/amisecurity -- -- Is your Amiga safe? Or you already using ProPassWord. -- \\//Amiga\\// Team AMIGA RC5 -- 603e+ 233/040 PowerUP, 32 Meg, BVision, Zip, CD-Rom. Kickstart 3.1 PortJr, Pace56 External Voice. ISP http://www.wirenet.co.uk/ ICQ 21765436 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Read AIO at : *http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/* From andy.k2@ukonline.co.uk Sat Dec 26 17:07:03 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--913-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 26 22:22:27 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 22:22:27 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.211] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 22:22:26 0000 Received: (qmail 20140 invoked by alias); 26 Dec 1998 22:24:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 20113 invoked from network); 26 Dec 1998 22:24:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hertz.ukonline.co.uk) (195.40.112.13) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 1998 22:24:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 29953 invoked from network); 26 Dec 1998 22:22:09 -0000 Received: from tnt-3-180.easynet.co.uk (andy.k2@195.40.202.180) by hertz.ukonline.co.uk with SMTP; 26 Dec 1998 22:22:09 -0000 From: "Andy Kinsella" Organization: Blurred Vision Date: 26 Dec 98 16:07:03 +0000 X-Face: *6GVv5~9n_5.l`oLVz/QRm{xg,OhLk3z@u>T-?XVKllF{63%{`klT93;*#aMX5bz1mNx=uWRsXb2|>[Fu@kw^dSCk;7\4N)_,}^2Vg:kwb?TarLc06)]Rv+66W7>\\"UY,NRTnm)JE,GfwH//Kg\?GD)FJnb{j'Cu$PLcQHdzi1>5&CqKB%cMXq(7)`D Message-Id: In-Reply-To: To: just-amiga@onelist.com X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS NC 0.238 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Ohh didn't C&W pull all the stops! From: "Andy Kinsella" Chris Seward said this... > Does anyone know if C&W have extended the 50p all. 1999 because > i'm slightly confused about the advert, it says C&W customers > enjoy all day saturdays long distance for no more than 50p all > year round, is it a con and that means 1998 with only 1 more > saturday or does it mean 1999? > If you read the small print on the ad's in the press, it seems they now exclude digital traffic in these capped calls. -- Regards, Andy. *F U B A R* @ http://www.q-soft.demon.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Read AIO at : *http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/* From andy.k2@ukonline.co.uk Sat Dec 26 17:09:54 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--912-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 26 22:22:24 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 22:22:24 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.207] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 22:22:23 0000 Received: (qmail 26249 invoked by alias); 26 Dec 1998 23:21:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 26189 invoked from network); 26 Dec 1998 23:21:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hertz.ukonline.co.uk) (195.40.112.13) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 1998 23:21:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 29961 invoked from network); 26 Dec 1998 22:22:11 -0000 Received: from tnt-3-180.easynet.co.uk (andy.k2@195.40.202.180) by hertz.ukonline.co.uk with SMTP; 26 Dec 1998 22:22:11 -0000 From: "Andy Kinsella" Organization: Blurred Vision Date: 26 Dec 98 16:09:54 +0000 X-Face: *6GVv5~9n_5.l`oLVz/QRm{xg,OhLk3z@u>T-?XVKllF{63%{`klT93;*#aMX5bz1mNx=uWRsXb2|>[Fu@kw^dSCk;7\4N)_,}^2Vg:kwb?TarLc06)]Rv+66W7>\\"UY,NRTnm)JE,GfwH//Kg\?GD)FJnb{j'Cu$PLcQHdzi1>5&CqKB%cMXq(7)`D Message-Id: In-Reply-To: To: just-amiga@onelist.com X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS NC 0.238 Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Help! To Mashman From: "Andy Kinsella" Chris Seward said this... > From: "Chris Seward" > > > On 20-Dec-98, you wrote: > > >. Time > > for a goliath power supply? > > Not really :)).... why? they don't make 'em anymore! > They do. They call 'em PC Power Supplies and any good computer shop should flogg you one for about a tenner. Of course you'll have to hack your Amiga 5pin lead onto it, but that's a piece of piss. -- Regards, Andy. *F U B A R* @ http://www.q-soft.demon.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Read AIO at : *http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/* From bloelle@polbox.com Sat Dec 26 22:09:50 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--908-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 26 21:16:52 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 21:16:52 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.205] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 21:16:52 0000 Received: (qmail 2514 invoked by alias); 26 Dec 1998 21:14:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 2451 invoked from network); 26 Dec 1998 21:14:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO free.gold.pl) (212.244.33.2) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 1998 21:14:44 -0000 Received: from priv.gold.pl (Hornet@ppp-cen182.czestochowa.tpnet.pl [194.204.180.182]) by free.gold.pl (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA10755 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 22:20:20 +0100 From: Mikolaj Calusinski To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 22:09:50 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0Preview6 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Help! From: Mikolaj Calusinski Hello Thomas, on 26-Dec-98 you wrote: > MUFS is rather more powerful than that - it patches the file system so > even booting with no SS won't let you access files without logging in... > no matter what you do. As you can imagine, if you make a mistake you can > seriouly screw up your system :) I don't think so. MUFS is very easy to bypass if you have full access to the machine. All you have to do to get rid of it is to boot from a floppy, load HDToolBox and remove all the entries pointing to MultiUser filesystem from RDB. To be on quite safe side, you would require a filesystem which encrypts all the writes using password supplied by user during log time. Regards -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mikolaj Calusinski - MM - bloelle@priv.gold.pl A1200/E-Box/040@33MHz/48MB/WD2.1GB/MITSUMI 4x/FHD+2FDD/Zoltrix33.6 Pure Amiga Fanatic ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Read AIO at : *http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/* From bloelle@polbox.com Sat Dec 26 22:10:03 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--907-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 26 21:16:52 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 21:16:52 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.159] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 21:16:51 0000 Received: (qmail 3744 invoked by alias); 26 Dec 1998 21:27:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 3726 invoked from network); 26 Dec 1998 21:27:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO free.gold.pl) (212.244.33.2) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 1998 21:27:30 -0000 Received: from priv.gold.pl (Hornet@ppp-cen182.czestochowa.tpnet.pl [194.204.180.182]) by free.gold.pl (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA10751 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 22:20:12 +0100 From: Mikolaj Calusinski To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 22:10:03 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0Preview6 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: ProPassWord From: Mikolaj Calusinski Hello Andrew, on 26-Dec-98 you wrote: >> One that cannot be bypassed would be one I invest in. > > On the version I that i'll might wright could have that feature. I > have been doing some trails on such solution for sometime now. I wont > say to much but gosh it's simple to give such a feature. I'm dying to see this actually working; could you please implement it? AFAIK the only solution would be to mess with RDB (namely with filesystem written on it) but maybe you have figured out a better and more clever solution? Personally I doubt it but who knows? Don't make this to us and reveal some more details... Regards -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mikolaj Calusinski - MM - bloelle@priv.gold.pl A1200/E-Box/040@33MHz/48MB/WD2.1GB/MITSUMI 4x/FHD+2FDD/Zoltrix33.6 Pure Amiga Fanatic ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Read AIO at : *http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/* From amiga@thefree.net Sat Dec 26 22:58:30 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--914-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 26 22:58:22 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 22:58:22 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.209] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 22:58:21 0000 Received: (qmail 24025 invoked by alias); 26 Dec 1998 22:59:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 24015 invoked from network); 26 Dec 1998 22:59:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.thefree.net) (195.34.192.14) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 26 Dec 1998 22:59:46 -0000 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 22:58:16 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from thefree.net [195.34.195.212] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 22:58:15 0000 From: "Chris Seward" To: just-amiga@onelist.com Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 22:58:30 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0 Preview5 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: Amiga Information Online Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: Ohh didn't C&W pull all the stops! From: "Chris Seward" On 26-Dec-98, you wrote: > If you read the small print on the ad's in the press, it seems they > now exclude digital traffic in these capped calls. So what your saying is it is 50p all day saturdays all next year except modem calls? -- Chris Seward Email : amiga@thefree.net Editor of Amiga Information Online Phone : +44 (0)7887 664 915 http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/ Aminet : Docs/Mags/AIOV??.lha Join JUST-AMiGA Mailing List: www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/just-amiga ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Read AIO at : *http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/* From lairfight@softhome.net Sat Dec 26 23:13:00 1998 >From bounce-just-amiga--911-amiga=thefree.net@onelist.com Sat Dec 26 22:15:59 1998 Received: by mail.thefree.net from localhost (router,SLMail V3.1); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 22:15:59 +0100 Received: by mail.thefree.net from onelist.com [209.207.164.13] (SLmail 3.1.2948 (Release Build)); Sat, 26 Dec 1998 22:15:58 0000 Received: (qmail 22150 invoked by alias); 27 Dec 1998 23:13:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 22034 invoked from network); 27 Dec 1998 23:13:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO softhome.net) (204.144.231.41) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; 27 Dec 1998 23:13:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 32636 invoked by uid 417); 26 Dec 1998 22:34:01 -0000 Received: from t1o68p50.telia.com (HELO softhome.net) (62.20.138.50) by smtp.softhome.net with SMTP; 26 Dec 1998 22:34:01 -0000 From: Linus Akesson To: Mikolaj Calusinski Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 23:13:00 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Mailing-List: list just-amiga@onelist.com; contact just-amiga-owner@onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list just-amiga@onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Reply-to: just-amiga@onelist.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [just-amiga] Re: ProPassWord From: Linus Akesson On 26-Dec-98, Mikolaj Calusinski wrote: >From: Mikolaj Calusinski >Hello Andrew, on 26-Dec-98 you wrote: >>> One that cannot be bypassed would be one I invest in. >> >> On the version I that i'll might wright could have that feature. I >> have been doing some trails on such solution for sometime now. I wont >> say to much but gosh it's simple to give such a feature. >I'm dying to see this actually working; could you please implement it? AFAIK >the only solution would be to mess with RDB (namely with filesystem written on >it) but maybe you have figured out a better and more clever solution? >Personally I doubt it but who knows? Don't make this to us and reveal some >more details... I had some ideas about building a hardware lock that prevented both the mouse button lines from being active at the same time. That way it would be impossible to break the startup-sequence without physical access to the diskdrive and/or harddrive. And with physical access to the harddrive there is no secure file system whatsoever (unless you encrypt all files...). Linus .--> ____ | \OO/ - -- --- ------ Linus Akesson -- http://fly.to/linus.world -. `-OoO-\/-OoO---------------------------------------------------------------' Keep your mouth shut and people will think you're stupid; Open it and you'll remove all doubt. -------> MrCookie v1.1 (text/misc/MrCookie.lha) <-------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Read AIO at : *http://www.amiga1.demon.co.uk/aio/*