Ram Jam, the cry babies of the scene!  by wiseguy/giants  The last days on our Amiga scene have been quite stormy with Ram Jam wanting to reclaim Showtime. So what is the story of Showtime then? Showtime was the succesor of The Charts and we could read in the editorial of Showtime issue 1 "We know this is one of best thing ever concepted from out team and we will keep on making SHOWTIME until the end of the scene" - quote: ACBS  Yes, but this wasn't true was it? The end of the scene? Please it lasted for four issues. In the editorial of issue five we could read; "Well it have been an hard trip, but someone had to make it! After quite a long time it's again on your screen as you might have already noticed it's something like it was, it's the same thing as it was. It's still the official scene chart. Let's say it's Showtime! The matter is that we (Ram Jam) are too much involved in working or studying to continue such a big and wonderful project. So we gave to our old mates the permission (and the source code) to keep on with Showtime." - quote: ACBS  Now Showtime was in the hands of DarkAge and with Kaosmaster as the main editor. Kaosmaster did a fine job and and Showtime did appear on our screens regullary. But then, almost two years after: Ram Jam enter the stage and want Showtime back. Perhaps this is the prophecy we could read in ACBS article in Showtime issue 5 "Ram Jam - What and Where"; "We will be back, maybe not on an AGA Amiga, maybe on a PPC or a Linux or Be... dunno, but RJ will shock the scene again!" -quote: ACBS  If Ram Jam wants to shock the scene? Then this is not the way to do it. Hadn't Kaosmaster been nursing Showtime since issue 5 and until today we wouldn't have a Showtime. It would probably been long gone lost with Ram Jam's temporarily retirement from the scene. They claim Showtime have changed SO MUCH to their dislike from when DarkAge got it. But that is not strange, modem have recoded the source, so the initial showtime code is nearly long gone. And for the magazine itself of course it have changed. The whole scene have changed,  but the Ram Jam's can't have noticed, they where to bussy sleeping.... Until now... IRC and especially  #Amigascne seems to be a nice place to gather bit's and pieces. Here is some lines by Surfing and Antibyte. surf-rj : wow, showtime is no more darkage, thanks rockdazone :) Antibyte: that's kind of a pity... they did their job well  surf-rj : I don't mind :) Acbs spoke about retaking back it ..Magic/Nah-Kolor will be the editor Antibyte: well, Darkage will continue just changing the name... and you practiaclly have to start from scratch  Who have spoken to whom? That is perhaps more what the question should be! I just chatted with Modem on IRC and he told he had phoned ACBS earlier today. ACBS was mad because he had been told lies about it had been written shit about him in Showtime by Kaosmaster & Modem. Something that isn't true at all. Who told those lies? Well who was it Surfing? Yeah, you dont need to answear, we already know... Ah! Magic/Nah-Kolor, another character enters the stage. I guess Magic felt betrayed after Showtime issue 5. Magic was offered the position as the main editor of Showtime after Showtime issue 2, but then said NO because he was working on his own magazine at the time. However the coder backed out and Magic found the easiest way out by joining the Showtime staff as an main editor from issue four. In the same issue we could read in the editorial: "No more other magazines.. No more this, no more that, no more lies and no more tabloid talk about me :)" - quote: Magic/Nah-kolor  But things didn't quite go the way he thought was outlined for him. Showtime changed hands from Ram Jam to DarkAge, but sadly the staff doesn't go with the source....  Tough luck! But claiming that you and ACBS only did take a break? If you was only having a break, then ACBS wouldn't have give away the source for ST would he? As Antibyte said; Ram Jam have to start from scratch. Gaining support from a scene that rather want to rally behind DarkAge would be tough. If they hope that taking back Showtime (only the name) will make Ram Jam regain fame & glory, then think again. Reclaiming Showtime wont say that the staff, the support and everything else goes with it. The current showtime staff under Kaosmasters management are dedicated to their work, they don't CARE about fame, glory or climbing the charts. They put a lot of HARD work into Showtime being unselfish, can the same be said about those who now want to reclaim it? But let us go back to irc once again; surf-rj : I know, but we'll do amiga version and pc version, we created the darkage, and our mags (exp. The Charts) were cool , no? Antibyte: I guess amiga people won't care at all about the pc version sure, you are right, but I don't see the use of it... surf-rj : To be in both scene is not a restriction of mind.. i don't care about others amiga peoples, if they wanna read showtime they can read it , if not... :) Antibyte: Why not merge your and Darkage's ambitions?  surf-rj : never, we created darkage :) and kaosmaster + modem doesn't want, since they claim us dead Antibyte: yea, but what advantage does a pc version have for amiga users?? none! well, it's your personal business, not mine... but I guess EC will be undisputed no.1 again then.. so what number will your showtime issue have then? surf-rj : my only plan is to win a compo (if there is one) at bzm98 :D Antibyte: RJ doesn't have any basis on amiga atm... Darkage didn't just release Showtime, they had numerous other releases... surf-rj : erm :) NO Antibyte: what 'no'? that's a fact! surf-rj : eh? don't u remember demos like "it can't be done" or "massive killing capacity" ?, i mean, demos not lame intros .. dkg released only 64kb... u are telling me that DKG are better Than US? Antibyte: But that was YEARS ago... I didn't say that, but it's a fact that DKG IS active... surf-rj : a mom please.. modem is created by randy himself.. we have released an intro at icing98 and will be at asm98 too with a demo... Antibyte: ok, you got 1 intro recently... but that's not much... wsg^gts : Beside that wont tell if you can make a good mag either :) wsg^gts : Showtime what is that? Just a name, its the staff and people behind it that makes it a good magazine. Antibyte: true, but it doesn't really make sense to change the name for the sole purpose of NOTHING..  wsg^gts : perhaps not, but we still know who the power behind is dont we :) surf-rj : kaosmaster (the editor of sT) is an ass Antibyte: as I said, it's your personal issue... wsg^gts : Nice of you sitting here badmouthing people that can't speak up for themselves atm... real nice in deed! You brave scener... doh! surf-rj : since u don't know WHAT kaosmaster done at me and the others... please shut up..... wsg^gts : I know what you are trying to do with Kaosmaster.... shut up yourself... surf-rj : hahaha, u little pinky ass Antibyte: but as I have read in Gen26, Acbs didn't want to do a RJ+DKG coop on ST, because if it had failed, it would have been DKG's fault alone. But it didn't fail. Quite the contrary! And if it had you wouldn't want to continue it now, imho. surf-rj : anti: the fact is that GEN26 doesn't speak the truth, not rockda fault, kaosmaster liar... surf-rj : EC kicks ass, no doubt about it but we got some little surprise on the new sT Antibyte: but EC has a lot less voters than ST had recently surf-rj : anyways it'll be up in late 1998, vote are for the masses, i don't like the masses :D Antibyte: late 98?? uh... until then DKG will have released some issues already... surf-rj : as I told you to release a number in dkg mode is easy  Antibyte: you don't like the masses? what kinda communist are you? No it's not, it all depends on the voters.. surf-rj : we are planning to rebuild up all .... even oooold article writers. the slogan and the masses are fascist thing, i move alone, against all ehehehe, we'll got a pc version too as u know !!!!!! eheheh Anyways i'll offer ya and duncan the bottle of italian wine i've promised... Antibyte: and the PC version will present the amiga charts, too? surf-rj : nopes :) Amiga is only amiga, pc is only pc.... i'm off bye byter  Phew! Hope I did manage to put all those pieces together so it will make any sense at all (even most of it is just the "bla bla bla" of a madman). Surfing dont care about the amiga people? Well what other is there to care about when you are supposed to run a magazine? It's the users that is the blood of the amiga. But I guess since RJ now more or less is an PC group they don't care at all (God knows where they get an active amiga coder from? Oh I know: Surfing will create and mold one, hehe). They don't need to destroy for Showtime as it is now, to make up an PC version of the very same magazine. We would know the difference. Claiming that Ram Jam created DarkAge is a *LAUGH*, DarkAge was created by Modem, and Modem was not created by Randy either! Modem was created by his mom and dad :) I asked Modem about this and he said;  Mod3m: I'm a friend of Randy, but a creation.. oh my god :) hihihi... nono! the only ex Ram Jam members are me and Kaosmaster..  But back to it. Claiming that DarkAge can't make a damn shit unless 64k intros and then throw out some old prods like "It cant be done" and "Massive killing capacity" to show of Ram Jam, is just foolish! It's like '98 now, we live  NOW not in the past. Beside was it you Surfing who made these prods? Nah didn't think so either. Beside have Ram Jam something other to show for than a intro themselves these days of recent productions?  NO! And when he says: "my only plan is to win a compo (if there is one) at bzm98 :D ." Why the HELL struggle over the name of a magazine then? Or have there come a new competition I don't know about? Like who can make the best magazine on 24 hours or something? ;) Claiming that Ram Jam is more productive than DarkAge that must be a joke. Just look back at DarkAge's track record the last years. When Surfing claims that Kaosmaster have told Rokdazone a lot of lies for the article in Generation26, then I say BULLOCKS! I bet Rokdazone is a better editor than that, thus checking that what have been written is the truth and not just a lot of crap. Beside calling Kaosmaster an ASS don't make you that *BIG* in my eyes, especially when none of the guys you are attacking is at the channel to defend themselves. Later this day Vega drop by #amigascne as well.....  vEGA-rJ : anyway believe me, I'm a really friendship person, but especially kaosmaster made too many errors with me and other ramjammers. Antibyte: But why doesn't everybody admit that it's a personal issue. Surfing said openly that Kaosmaster is an 'asshole'. Magic hates Darkage for their articles against him... it's all so obvious... :) vEGA-rJ : The proof that it's not a personal question is that was acbs to told me to pick st again..  I used to swap with Vega in the past, and I know he his a friendship person. But how much 'friendship' that involves in just this issue is another question. And what PROOF is it that ACBS tells Vega to get Showtime back? Especially since somone have whispered lies in ACBS's ears earlier. And the very same person is the other half that want's showtime back. I'll side with Antibyte about it's a "personal issue." All this recent events have had it's effect. Modem told on irc today that five members left during the night. Ran away like thieves in the night I'd say! If your group goes bad times ahead, you don't just leave it, you stick with it in thick and thin. Anyhow, a MAJOR clean up have been made in DarkAge, and they will continue releasing a magazine but without the "Showtime" name. I guess it would be pretty much like what Showtime looks like today, but with a new name. Since I (and pretty much every other scener  out there) know what makes up a good magazine is the forces behind it, and not the name of the mag itself, I'd say Party on guys! You're magazine is cool whatever the name is. For the guys in RJ I would like to say:  GROW UP