From Cecilia@vgn.com 31 May 1998 11:56:56 PST X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2588 (database) From: Cecilia To: studio16 Subject: Fileformats Date: Sun, 31 May 98 20:56:01 Message-ID: <199805311856.UAA05271@odin.thule.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA26154for ; Sun, 31 May 1998 18:55:31 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA05275for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 31 May 1998 20:56:34 +0200 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 04582f84a47e44fc38a9b69fade5d3d7 ST>Is there anyone that want Studio 16 to support other formats than the ST>built-in Studio16_1.0, Studio16_2.0, AIFF, RAW, SVX8 ? ST>I was thinking of creating some other filters such as WAV and an enhanced ST>version of the Studio 16 format. The new format would get support with a new ST>editor as well. Progress based on feedback. If we want to keep using the studio16 card, I think this is necessary. There should be compatability with other machines, and with the "new" audio format being developed for the Amiga. I vote, you bet'cha cecilia ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Sun, 31 May 1998 13:14:26 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2588 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2589 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: RE: Fileformats Date: Sun, 31 May 98 20:14:00 Message-ID: <000101bd8cc8$53b72020$49e5fcce@computername> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id TAA26415for ; Sun, 31 May 1998 19:13:45 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA05505for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 31 May 1998 21:15:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: bec24f44c620a4d719f1e400d9881961 >>Is there anyone that want Studio 16 to support other formats than the >>built-in Studio16_1.0, Studio16_2.0, AIFF, RAW, SVX8 ? >>I was thinking of creating some other filters such as WAV and an >>enhanced version of the Studio 16 format. The new format would get >>support with a new editor as well. Progress based on feedback. Cecilia@vgn.com: >If we want to keep using the studio16 card, I think this is necessary. >There should be compatability with other machines, and with the "new" >audio format being developed for the Amiga. > >I vote, you bet'cha Hello, Cecilia (of ImageFX ML, as I recall)! Kenny (long time no type!), cast my vote for any formats in wide use (wav, Flyer audio, enhanced, whatever). SoftLogik just took it on the chin in Macworld magazine for not supporting M$Word format; and the "journalist" was probably right. We need to be able to effectively work in the larger world. -- greenboy ------------------------------------------------------------ ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From roofdoc@dircon.co.uk Sun, 31 May 1998 21:40:46 -0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2588 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2590 (database) From: Wayne Olding To: studio16 Subject: Re: Fileformats Date: Sun, 31 May 98 22:40:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id UAA27946for ; Sun, 31 May 1998 20:44:17 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA06627for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 31 May 1998 22:44:13 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: V.T.C MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 504d31109bad41e5e2e29c2bc5402223 On 31-May-98, Cecilia@vgn.com wrote: >ST>Is there anyone that want Studio 16 to support other formats than the >ST>built-in Studio16_1.0, Studio16_2.0, AIFF, RAW, SVX8 ? >ST>I was thinking of creating some other filters such as WAV and an enhanced >ST>version of the Studio 16 format. The new format would get support with a >new >ST>editor as well. Progress based on feedback. >If we want to keep using the studio16 card, I think this is necessary. >There should be compatability with other machines, and with the "new" >audio format being developed for the Amiga. >I vote, you bet'cha I second the above. -- Wayne :-) Amiga - A4000T CybStorm 060_50 + Cybscsi + Picasso IV + 2xIBM 4.3GB + SyJet 1.5GB + IIyama Pro17 + 128 Meg Ram + TBCPlus + Emplant Deluxe + Toshiba 32x SCSI CD-Rom + Yamaha CDR400t Writer + HP ScanJet 4C + Epson Stylus 800 + AD516 + OpalVision Thought: If PC's could fly, there would be a lot of air disasters... ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From turk@gulftel.com Sun, 31 May 1998 16:06:37 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2589 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2591 (database) From: CMM To: studio16 Subject: Re[2]: Fileformats Date: Sun, 31 May 98 23:06:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA28400for ; Sun, 31 May 1998 21:08:32 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA06977for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 31 May 1998 23:08:41 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview3 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: CMM MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: ce72cae43d160365ec933d99b7aaa7ac On 31-May-98, greenboy wrote: >>> Is there anyone that want Studio 16 to support other formats than the >>> built-in Studio16_1.0, Studio16_2.0, AIFF, RAW, SVX8 ? >>> I was thinking of creating some other filters such as WAV and an >>> enhanced version of the Studio 16 format. The new format would get >>> support with a new editor as well. Progress based on feedback. > Oh yeah, the more the merrier! :) regards, Lee ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From tbarwell@neosoft.com Sun, 31 May 1998 16:17:33 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2585 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2592 (database) From: Ted Barwell To: studio16 Subject: Re: Fileformats Date: Sun, 31 May 98 22:17:00 Message-ID: <3571C8D4.3B28@neosoft.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA28476for ; Sun, 31 May 1998 21:11:32 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA07032for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 31 May 1998 23:11:27 +0200 Organization: VPEG Associates X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 7ec57fd698036703dc18c8cce45a029f Brad wrote: > > How about Newtek Flyer Audio Format... There is conversion software but it > would be great to load directly into S-16 Wow! We, too, would be interested in a Flyer-Friendly 'filter' and editor! We're just getting up to speed with integrating S-16 into our daily Flyer wrestlin' matches, and are ready for new challenges/capabilities. Ted Barwell & Dale Brooks, VPEG > > >I was thinking of creating some other filters such as WAV and an enhanced > >version of the Studio 16 format. The new format would get support with a new > >editor as well. Progress based on feedback. > > > > > >- Kenny ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Sun, 31 May 1998 16:07:08 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2593 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio 16 GuestList Subject: FW: Midi Missive For The New AMIGA Date: Sun, 31 May 98 23:07:00 Message-ID: <000301bd8ce0$73e51d80$49e5fcce@computername> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id WAA29716for ; Sun, 31 May 1998 22:08:14 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA07993for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 00:08:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: fc92c9571aa9263fbc90137019b0de36 Here's a forward that talks about midi needs for the New AMIGA that was announced at WOA. This Amiga with 5.0 OS is scheduled for release in 1999. For info on this look at the typical net news sources and sites. -- Forward -- mailto:owner-teamamiga@thule.no -------------------------- >perhaps AInc will allow for all standard (cheap) useful things to be >placed on the mainboard like Midi and so on rather than as an extra. It really is not necessary to build in midi ports today; pro users want more ports than in/out/thru - for more channels - and synchronization hardware also. A plethora of midi interfaces in various abilities/ranges are available from established vendors. All that is needed are drivers, and appropriate serial or parallel ports, to use many of these on Amiga. Wintels and Macs don't feature a built-in ports; most users will never access those ports, so why put them there? (Unless you want to build in multiple sets on a New AMIGA notebook! ;) Home/project/professional studios want to choose hardware that best meets their needs; only a small minority of serious midi users get by today with 16 channels. The channel limit on Old Amiga further impacted its purchase as a midi tool. Only Blue Ribbon ever got that together, at a date when the Mac, Atari - and even PC - had support for more than 16 channels for years. Really, developers on Mac and W95/NT have, through generations of experience and qualified user input, built the best tools that are possible today on those OSes. The New AMIGA can probably do them one better in beginner, intermediate, and even pro midi software, because of multitasking and OS legacies. But it will require a new mindset about music and midi to make any inroads. Amiga users tend to vociferously defend midi software that is mediocre in ability by today's standards. (Or they are involved in the creative but limited world of mods.) Even on the PC today (Mac is still ahead BTW, but the gap is closing), the good stuff is so easy to use, so cheap, and yet powerful. It is only the fact that running under Windows slightly hamstrings it. But Amiga in its heyday could only attract a portion of a percent of serious users - mostly on the premise that midi COULD be better on Amiga. Any day now. Probably the easiest SOLUTION is for AmigaInc to make such a convincing case for The New AMIGA that an existing developer (Opcode, Mark Of The Unicorn, Cakewalk, Voyetra, Steinberg, Cubase, Passport) is willing to get a team porting a world-class tiered sequencer/digital-audio title. No existing commercial Amiga midiware is around to make the leap. David Joiner is elsewhere (and lone wolfs can't keep up since MusicX days - it REQUIRES a TEAM). SunRize - hah. And Todor and Co can't be counted on to save us this time - they are vassals in the Evil Empire. (I would bet on them otherwise. BlueRibbon seemed to see possibilities and was ambitious enough to do the modern big deal.) None of the shareware/freeware is even close. Maybe if one of these progs were bootstrapped and... No, in good conscience I couldn't recom- mend such an approach, even for Old Amiga. These things just don't have the juice. We need a cutting-edge team with a good business front, beta testers from games, soundtracks, AV, and MUSIC backgrounds, liaisons to work with music hardware and DigitalAudio card manufacturers - the whole schmear. Anything else is just a waste of time for the New AMIGA! -- greenboy ------------------------------------------------------------ ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From bygarcia@suffolk.lib.ny.us Sun, 31 May 1998 18:33:55 -0400 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2582 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2595 (database) From: Luis Garcia To: studio16 Subject: Re: Fileformats Date: Sun, 31 May 98 23:33:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id WAA00787for ; Sun, 31 May 1998 22:33:54 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA08563for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 00:34:03 +0200 CC: Kenny Nilsen Importance: High X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: fe3f730d0db455eebafc2c650985f9cb Hi! Kenny put me in! on supporting additional file formats that would be great especially wave. Kenny any advise you can give me on Creating audio Cd's with the AD516 and a Recoh 6200s CD_rw on an A4000T 25mhz, 16 megs I keep getting buffer under run if i try to do a disk at once recording from my sony cd player or my Fujitsu 1 gig Hardrive. Thanks for your time an efforts on the studio16 mailing list.. I would be lost without this mailing list... L.Garcia On 30-May-98, Kenny Nilsen wrote: > Is there anyone that want Studio 16 to support other formats than the > built-in Studio16_1.0, Studio16_2.0, AIFF, RAW, SVX8 ? > > I was thinking of creating some other filters such as WAV and an enhanced > version of the Studio 16 format. The new format would get support with a new > editor as well. Progress based on feedback. > > > - Kenny > > > ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) > Kind regards ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From studio16-owner@odin.thule.no Sun May 31 22:55:07 1998 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2584 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2596 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: troy silvey Subject: Re: Fileformats Date: Sun, 31 May 98 20:33:00 Message-ID: <238.455T1157T12333518@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id WAA01267for ; Sun, 31 May 1998 22:55:06 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA08896for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 00:55:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject Status: O troy silvey wrote: >Absolutly a WAV format if you can pull it off. I could start using >that today. Hi Troy and Thor, I will support plain WAVs to start off with. Is there any need for ADPCM compressed WAVs (hoping not.. ;) ? - Kenny ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From studio16-owner@odin.thule.no Sun May 31 22:55:19 1998 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2585 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2597 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Brad Subject: Re: Fileformats Date: Sun, 31 May 98 20:25:00 Message-ID: <222.455T897T12253194@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id WAA01276for ; Sun, 31 May 1998 22:55:19 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA08888for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 00:54:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject Status: O Brad wrote: >How about Newtek Flyer Audio Format... There is conversion software but it >would be great to load directly into S-16 Hi Brad and all, do you know where I could find documentation on that format ? - Kenny ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From studio16-owner@odin.thule.no Sun May 31 23:04:56 1998 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2597 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2598 (database) From: Floyd Diebel To: Brad Subject: Re: Fileformats Date: Mon, 1 Jun 98 00:03:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id XAA01459for ; Sun, 31 May 1998 23:04:56 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA09055for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 01:05:08 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject Status: RO On 31 May 1998, Kenny Nilsen wrote: > Brad wrote: > >How about Newtek Flyer Audio Format... There is conversion software but it > >would be great to load directly into S-16 > do you know where I could find documentation on that format ? i'm nearly positive that newtek would charge money for use of their flyer format audio in software. i can send you a sample of flyer audio if you want to look at it. that would save me IMMENSE amounts of time. -f ----- fdiebel@boulez.emrl.com a/v composition and engineering. ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From doncox@enterprise.net Mon, 01 Jun 1998 01:05:47 +0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2596 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2601 (database) From: Don Cox To: studio16 Subject: Re: Fileformats Date: Mon, 1 Jun 98 02:05:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id AAA03039for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 00:21:18 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA10554for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 02:21:16 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: d70eabce2db8a06b603b1f9f3a89bf1a Hello Kenny On 31-May-98, Kenny Nilsen wrote: > > I will support plain WAVs to start off with. Is there any need for ADPCM > compressed WAVs (hoping not.. ;) ? I've just been through a heap of WAV files from students (mostly saved from Sound Forge) and several were compressed. So it seems compressed WAV files are common. Regards -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From doncox@enterprise.net Sun, 31 May 1998 13:29:06 +0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2582 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2602 (database) From: Don Cox To: studio16 Subject: Re: Fileformats Date: Sun, 31 May 98 14:29:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id AAA03040for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 00:21:18 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA10550for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 02:21:10 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: b91b9c10dec8adb954529f8f7621e36c Hello Kenny On 30-May-98, Kenny Nilsen wrote: > Is there anyone that want Studio 16 to support other formats than the > built-in Studio16_1.0, Studio16_2.0, AIFF, RAW, SVX8 ? > WAV would surely be worth while. There are so many WAV files out there. Would you be prepared to supply the information you have discovered for the AD516 to the authors of other sample editing software, such as Samplitude (Marc Albrecht), SFX (Stefan Kost) or Soundprobe? As usual where there are several similar programs, each has particular useful features. Regards -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From kenny@bgnett.no 01 Jun 98 03:39:42 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2592 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2604 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Ted Barwell Subject: Re: Fileformats Date: Mon, 1 Jun 98 03:39:00 Message-ID: <1504.456T2102T2194407@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id BAA04112for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 01:50:15 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA12447for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 03:50:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: bcefe419728a76ffb740b03345db2756 Status: RO Ted Barwell wrote: >> How about Newtek Flyer Audio Format... There is conversion software but it >> would be great to load directly into S-16 >Wow! We, too, would be interested in a Flyer-Friendly >'filter' and editor! We're just getting up to speed Hi Ted and all, Not to promise anything, but with a filefilter it is possible to do edits in the existing editor actually, ala AIFF. Also, the AIFF filter which contains a bug (in rate was it?) can be replaced. Additionally the AIFF filter could have a non-standard chunk added to keep the (non-destructive) editlist that the Studio 16 files contains so you could do more powerful edits to it. With the 'enhanced' Studio 16 format I was thinking of adding a couple of features such as todays destructive edits becomes optinonally non-destructive as well. This is obtained by adding the destructive parts to the end of the file and manipulate the editlist (roughly explained). Other stuff that can be made is a CDDA reader (directly from CDs), network tranfers etc. (no promises as I said..). If any other developers are interrested in how to write a filefilter I could try to explain. I just made a rough WAV converter and everything works ok. Give me a couple of more weeks to finish it. Only PCM will be supported due to the filters nature (it's not a trivial task to f.ex. seek to a position inside compressed data as the real position is unknown). Also, only mono files can be supported ("limitation" of Studio 16's filter mechanism). - Kenny ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From tc_silvey@juno.com Sun, 31 May 1998 22:00:18 -0400 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2596 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2605 (database) From: troy silvey To: studio16 Subject: Re: Fileformats Date: Mon, 1 Jun 98 03:00:00 Message-ID: <19980531.223223.4934.1.tc_silvey@juno.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id CAA04561for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 02:26:32 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA13239for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 04:26:43 +0200 References: <238.455T1157T12333518@bgnett.no> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-6 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: e9d9295c791e6607f3b1170a073694f2 Status: RO >I will support plain WAVs to start off with. Is there any need for >ADPCM compressed WAVs (hoping not.. ;) ? I don't see why. I could be wrong, but normal wav's would be excellent enough to me. troy _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From tc_silvey@juno.com Sun, 31 May 1998 21:59:06 -0400 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2593 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2606 (database) From: troy silvey To: studio16 Subject: Re: FW: Midi Missive For The New AMIGA Date: Mon, 1 Jun 98 02:59:00 Message-ID: <19980531.223223.4934.0.tc_silvey@juno.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id CAA04566for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 02:26:44 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA13250for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 04:26:58 +0200 References: <000301bd8ce0$73e51d80$49e5fcce@computername> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-4,6,8-11,13-24,26,28,30,32,34,36,38,40-42,44-48 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 827f437580d7401d2dba12b2bcc751ca Status: RO >Here's a forward that talks about midi needs for the New AMIGA that You and I have talked about the vision that could blow the midi world's doors off greenboy. Now if a team could be found. Trouble is, all teams capable are coding games, the new OS or defected to mac and wintel. Sure a team from one of the big boys (cakewalk, voyetra....) could do a port, but it couldn't be as good as the original wintel version.... that is.... IN MY OPINION EVERYONE. Because it would probably just be a hack of the original. Would they really start from scratch and write a version from the ground up that would be amiga OS through and through? Nah, I doublt it. it would likely be a shadow of it's self. BUT! since there is no other serious professional sequencer in development for amiga, then one of these half hearted ports would be better than what we have. I just don't think it would be good enough to persude wintel or mac users to look to amiga as a better solution. And that's what we need. To bring in new blood. Most musicians are on PC's now, but they don't seem to like or enjoy it as much as I or other pro amiga users do. The message is right. The next midi package needs to be unmatched by others. Nothing will ever please every one, but we should have some thing that does all the needed pro funtions in a style not done anywhere else. This will draw attention and users who do not like the current sequencers. Not because the currents are bad tools, but because something new will be more comfortable to them. An example from yesterday.... I spoke with an x-amigian who now uses lightwave on PC, he hated the way Imagine did it's animations. I don't care for the way lightwave does things, and love to work with Imagine. Imagine does most, if not all things, Lightwave does. But Imagine does it in a way that works for me. SO..... I'm buying my next update to Imagine 5.0. If Imagine simply did what lightwave did, then why should I use it? If you simply port a wintel sequencer to amiga, then why should a wintel user ever want to move to amiga? There is no need. Well the next person can have the soap box, I'm finished...... back to studing my programming.... You can send this note back through the same channel the original came from. I think it would give them some more to think about :) troy _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From kenny@bgnett.no 01 Jun 98 04:22:26 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2602 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2607 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Don Cox Subject: Re: Fileformats Date: Mon, 1 Jun 98 04:22:00 Message-ID: <730.456T1312T2623593@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id CAA04786for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 02:37:57 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA13563for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 04:38:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 1682b9d3bb04002ddf16945e60ec247a Don Cox wrote: Hi Don, >Would you be prepared to supply the information you have discovered >for the AD516 to the authors of other sample editing software, such as >Samplitude (Marc Albrecht), SFX (Stefan Kost) or Soundprobe? As usual >where there are several similar programs, each has particular useful >features. I have already been talking to Marc, Dr. Maurizzio (ProStation), Martin Blom (AHI) and briefly with Stefan. The main problem with any sounddriver for AD516 and AD1012 is that the studio.library (apperantly) doesn't support direct memory access for double buffering. I am discussing workarounds for this with Martin and Marc to 'fool' Studio 16 to think the memory is a file with the aid of a handler. - Kenny ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From Brrr@aol.com Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:44:20 EDT X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2608 (database) From: Brrr To: studio16 Subject: Re: Fileformats, CDDA Date: Mon, 1 Jun 98 15:44:00 Message-ID: <3a2524d0.3572be45@aol.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id OAA15784for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:48:05 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA23184for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:46:52 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: b59b17a4d75f7fc679913e5b555982b1 kenny@bgnett.no writes: << Other stuff that can be made is a CDDA reader (directly from CDs), network tranfers etc. (no promises as I said..). If any other developers are interrested in how to write a filefilter I could try to explain. >> That CDDA player would come in handy to check files before mastering. Would we be able to play them from Stu16? I've had the experience of corrupt Stu16 files playing properly at "home", but not exported & written to a CDR disk. How about a Stu16, vs2 to CDDA file converter, so we don't have to edit on AIFF files for CD mastering? BTW, what's the AIFF "Bug" that was mentioned? -Burr Huntington A2000/Flyer A3000/Stu16 ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From kenny@bgnett.no 01 Jun 98 18:07:49 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2611 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: all Subject: Can't get Studio16 v 3.01 to work (fwd) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 98 18:07:00 Message-ID: <122558308.-1T31980221T031982030@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id QAA17558for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:13:46 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA25070for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:13:52 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: dcb7e4fdb1f7700c8bfb884257fc9728 ============================================================================== From: Luca Barbetti To: kenny Subject: Can't get Studio16 v 3.01 to work Date: Mon, 1 Jun 98 08:01:00 Message-ID: <19980601070148.10866.qmail@hotmail.com> Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f146.hotmail.com [207.82.251.25])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with SMTP id HAA08316for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:02:29 GMT Received: (qmail 10867 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jun 1998 07:01:48 -0000 Received: from 194.133.150.43 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP;Mon, 01 Jun 1998 00:01:48 PDT X-Originating-IP: [194.133.150.43] X-UIDL: c6a1e5eb40a982a700700ba3d0b9c37c Hi, does anybody know why I can't get Studio16 v 3.01 to work. I'm having the following problem: immediately after program startup, I get the following error message on Studio16 main screen (in a requester): AD1012 This handler requires at least 64K ram chips OK After that, all configured application (mixer, transport, editor etc.) windows do show up, meaning that they start normally but most are inoperative due to the correct handler not being loaded up. By replacing this handler (AD1012.handler in Studio16_3:drivers) with the one that comes as standard with v 2.07, I get other errors, like: Can't find AD516 card (in fact I own an AD1012!) Try restting the card and so on. It seems to me that the handler that comes with Studio16 v 3.01 is either not right with my card or uncorrect on its own (but I doubt it). Can anyone using v. 3.01 tell me about the size of their AD1012 handler so that I can compare it with the one I have, along with the size of the three libraries: Interface.library studio16.library gadtools.library Thanks for your help. Luca luca_b46@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From kenny@bgnett.no 01 Jun 98 17:44:37 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2608 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2612 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Brrr Subject: Re: Fileformats, CDDA Date: Mon, 1 Jun 98 17:44:00 Message-ID: <237.456T1889T10644246@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id QAA17636for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:17:06 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA25208for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:17:24 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: d383b4724c01ce9f2955d1edf874d5a6 Brrr wrote: >That CDDA player would come in handy to check files before mastering. Would >we be able to play them from Stu16? Yes, even drop them on the Cuelist. A handler must be written to treat the tracks as files though. - Kenny ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From wst3@bellatlantic.net Mon, 01 Jun 1998 12:42:21 -0400 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2611 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2614 (database) From: Bill Thompson To: studio16 Subject: Re: Can't get Studio16 v 3.01 to work (fwd) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 98 17:42:00 Message-ID: <3572D9ED.8FB954AE@bellatlantic.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id QAA18248for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:47:45 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA26281for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:47:13 +0200 Organization: Audio Enterprise X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <122558308.-1T31980221T031982030@bgnett.no> Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: c9b68c30e96d675a309a89bdd99ed979 > does anybody know why I can't get Studio16 v 3.01 to work. I'm having the > following problem: immediately after program startup, I get the > following error message on Studio16 main screen (in a > requester): > > AD1012 > This handler requires at least 64K ram chips I can, but you aren't going to like the answer!!! V3.0 of Studio16 requires that the AD1012 card be modified to use 64K ram chips. I never got a reasonable answer as to why, but if I wanted to use my AD1012, I had to return the card to Sunrize for the mod. You have two choices: 1) use a v2.x version of Studio16 2) replace the AD1012 with an AD516. There is no info, that I am aware of, to make the mod yourself. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news... Bill ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From roofdoc@dircon.co.uk Mon, 01 Jun 1998 15:27:21 -0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2607 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2615 (database) From: Wayne Olding To: Kenny Nilsen Subject: Re: Fileformats Date: Mon, 1 Jun 98 16:27:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA18665for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 17:05:11 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA26869for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 19:05:17 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: V.T.C MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: dcba196486071f76729677a33bcd58dd On 01-Jun-98, Kenny Nilsen wrote: >I have already been talking to Marc, Dr. Maurizzio (ProStation), Martin Blom >(AHI) and briefly with Stefan. The main problem with any sounddriver for >AD516 and AD1012 is that the studio.library (apperantly) doesn't support >direct memory access for double buffering. I am discussing workarounds for >this with Martin and Marc to 'fool' Studio 16 to think the memory is a file >with the aid of a handler. Kenny, Nice to know your still working on the AHI thing, It'll be nice if it comes off! All the best. -- Wayne :-) Amiga - A4000T CybStorm 060_50 + Cybscsi + Picasso IV + 2xIBM 4.3GB + SyJet 1.5GB + IIyama Pro17 + 128 Meg Ram + TBCPlus + Emplant Deluxe + Toshiba 32x SCSI CD-Rom + Yamaha CDR400t Writer + HP ScanJet 4C + Epson Stylus 800 + AD516 + OpalVision Thought: If PC's could fly, there would be a lot of air disasters... ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From beachler@iastate.edu Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:14:06 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2611 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2616 (database) From: Rich Beachler To: studio16 Subject: Re: Can't get Studio16 v 3.01 to work (fwd) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 98 19:14:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA20042for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:11:05 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA28313for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:11:00 +0200 X-Sender: beachler@pop-2.iastate.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: ce5a79ac2da39f77e200d7a0892ef246 Hello All, >From: "Luca Barbetti" >Hi, > does anybody know why I can't get Studio16 v 3.01 to work. I'm > having the following problem: immediately after program startup, I > get the following error message on Studio16 main screen (in a > requester): > > > AD1012 > This handler requires at least 64K ram chips According to a past discussion in this news group, the memory on the AD1012 must be upgraded to at least 128K (2 64K chips). Here are some clips from that discussion. These replies should get you started: From: Serge Guilbert The AD1012 uses two identical RAM chips in parallel. They are the 28 pin chips, or 32 pin chips found at the end of the board, in sockets. I think it's U33 & U34. The sockets are 32 pin, but will accept 28 pin chips, depending on the size of the memory. For ex: On my AD1012, I originally found 2 32k chips (28 pins), for a total of 64k. I replaced these with 2 128k chips (32 pins), for a total of 256k. The AD1012 seems to have been designed to automatically recognize a few different sizes (32k, 64k, 128k). The RAM chips are made by a number of memory manufacturers (MOSEL-Vitelic, Hitachi, Texas, etc), and usually has a part number which defines memory size, along with access speed. Ex: MOSEL xx256-10 would mean an 8 bit x 32k config (= 256k bits), with a 100 nanosec access time. Other manufacturers list byte sizes as their part number, instead of bit sizes. Ex: Hitachi xxx128-70 would mean 8 bit x 128k, with a 70 nanosec access time. I must stress that it doesn't matter who makes the chips, or what the part number is, as long as it has the proper number of pins (28, or 32), has the proper config (8 bit x 32k, or 8 bit by 64k, or 8 bit by 128k), and is 100 nanosec, or faster (70, 80, 60, etc). Also From Serge: For anyone interested, the exact part number for the 128k chips is: Hitachi, HM62128-10, 32 pin (8 bit x 128k config) The -10 refers to 100 nanosec access speed. You can also look for something faster (-70 [70 nsec], or -85 [85 nsec]). >From Jacob Ellis: For anyone interested... www.jdr.com has the exact Hitachi chip SRAM 128KX8(551001-85)100NS 32DIP HM628128LP-10 $6.99 A quick look on www.jameco.com also shows the following: part# 103982 - 628128LP-85 128K x 8 85ns Low Power CMOS SRAM for $8.49 Good Luck! Rich Beachler beachler@iastate.edu ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From luca_b46@hotmail.com Mon, 01 Jun 1998 11:25:05 PDT X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2617 (database) From: Luca Barbetti To: studio16 Subject: Re: Can't get Studio16 v 3.01 to work (fwd) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 98 19:25:00 Message-ID: <19980601182505.14911.qmail@hotmail.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA20573for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:27:55 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA28871for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:28:10 +0200 X-Originating-IP: [195.103.168.136] Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 7541dd13fa9e67ac62aa42b9229ac809 > >> does anybody know why I can't get Studio16 v 3.01 to work. I'm having the >> following problem: immediately after program startup, I get the >> following error message on Studio16 main screen (in a >> requester): >> >> AD1012 >> This handler requires at least 64K ram chips > >I can, but you aren't going to like the answer!!! > >V3.0 of Studio16 requires that the AD1012 card be modified to use 64K ram >chips. I never got a reasonable answer as to why, but if I wanted to use my >AD1012, I had to return the card to Sunrize for the mod. > >You have two choices: > >1) use a v2.x version of Studio16 > >2) replace the AD1012 with an AD516. > >There is no info, that I am aware of, to make the mod yourself. > >Sorry to be the bearer of bad news... > >Bill > Okie Dokie, really bad news!. I think that I have no choice but using v 2.07 because it will be hard to find an AD516 card these days and certainly would not come cheap. Anyway, thanks for telling me this but one question: did you get this answer from Sunrize technical support? Luca luca_b46@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From jkrutz@meta.burner.com Mon, 1 Jun 98 12:17:48 MST X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2580 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2618 (database) From: Jamie Krutz To: studio16 Subject: Re: SMPTE software ! Date: Mon, 1 Jun 98 20:17:00 Message-ID: <9806011917.AA017sy@meta.burner.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id UAA22610for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:05:37 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA30979for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 22:05:40 +0200 References: <239.453T2940T14215305@bgnett.no> X-NewsSoftware: GRn 2.1 Feb 19, 1994 MIME-Version: 1.0 Organization: The Back Burner BBS Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 253e3030604314fe45165cecf9ecf9c6 In article <239.453T2940T14215305@bgnett.no> "Kenny Nilsen" writes: > Rene' Schaap wrote: > >I there anyone there who knows how to start the SMPTE Out software from > >within Scala or InfoChannel ????? > > Hi René, > > you can't. SmpteOut is GUI only and has no comandline nor arexx interface to > control it. Didn't someone write a program that captures mouse moves and replays them? You might be able to control the mouse capture program with ARexx or a script somehow, and have it trigger SMPTEOut. Wish I could think of the name of the mouse capture program... > - Kenny Best Regards, -Jamie ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From jkrutz@meta.burner.com Mon, 1 Jun 98 12:23:20 MST X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2604 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2619 (database) From: Jamie Krutz To: studio16 Subject: Re: Fileformats Date: Mon, 1 Jun 98 20:23:00 Message-ID: <9806011923.AA017t3@meta.burner.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id UAA22615for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:05:41 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA30978for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 22:05:39 +0200 References: <1504.456T2102T2194407@bgnett.no> X-NewsSoftware: GRn 2.1 Feb 19, 1994 Organization: The Back Burner BBS Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: d5ff3cd5054edae5dd68fe70117ccb91 In article <1504.456T2102T2194407@bgnett.no> "Kenny Nilsen" writes: > Hi Ted and all, > > Not to promise anything, but with a filefilter it is possible to do edits in > the existing editor actually, ala AIFF. Also, the AIFF filter which contains > a bug (in rate was it?) can be replaced. Additionally the AIFF filter could > have a non-standard chunk added to keep the (non-destructive) editlist that > the Studio 16 files contains so you could do more powerful edits to it. Very cool! Could your file filter also handle stereo AIFF loading? > With the 'enhanced' Studio 16 format I was thinking of adding a couple of > features such as todays destructive edits becomes optinonally > non-destructive as well. This is obtained by adding the destructive parts to > the end of the file and manipulate the editlist (roughly explained). I like the way you think! > Other stuff that can be made is a CDDA reader (directly from CDs), network > tranfers etc. (no promises as I said..). If any other developers are > interrested in how to write a filefilter I could try to explain. > > I just made a rough WAV converter and everything works ok. Give me a couple > of more weeks to finish it. Only PCM will be supported due to the filters > nature (it's not a trivial task to f.ex. seek to a position inside > compressed data as the real position is unknown). Also, only mono files can > be supported ("limitation" of Studio 16's filter mechanism). Hmm. That probably answers my first question. > - Kenny Best Regards, -Jamie ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From doncox@enterprise.net Mon, 01 Jun 1998 21:45:02 +0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2618 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2620 (database) From: Don Cox To: studio16 Subject: Re: SMPTE software ! Date: Mon, 1 Jun 98 22:45:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id UAA23432for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:47:05 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA31869for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 22:47:11 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 644c7e5cee65e62731417fa94d4e804a Hello Jamie > Wish I could think of the name of the mouse capture program... > There is a program called Scripit by Khalid Aldoseri (author of Final Calc) which might do the trick. It's on Aminet. Regards -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From net@dutch.nl Tue, 2 Jun 1998 23:02:43 +0900 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2621 (database) From: Rene' Schaap To: studio16 Subject: RE: SMPTE software ! Date: Tue, 2 Jun 98 15:02:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA23868for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 21:03:18 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA32161for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:03:11 +0200 X-ROUTED: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:03:20 0000 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Net X-Mailer: AEMail (Amiga EMail), Version 1.51, (c) 1997-1998 by John F. Zacharias Organization: No Empty Tape Productions Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: e47f113f59a19162a16710ef2377eaad On Thu, May 29, 1998, at 11:41 PM, Kenny Nilsen wrote: > Rene' Schaap wrote: > >I there anyone there who knows how to start the SMPTE Out software from > >within Scala or InfoChannel ????? > > Hi René, > > you can't. SmpteOut is GUI only and has no comandline nor arexx interface > to > control it. > Thanks for the reply Kenny Is there another way to do it ??? I mean via Mouse movenent recording, has someone experience with such a program ?? , In combination with studio 16. What's the best program to use with studio16 ??? SeeYaa Rene'(DSP) Schaap _ ( ) No Empty tape Productions. ------------------------------ Get your Masterplan ready for the interactive decade. Email : net@Dutch.nl Homepage: http://www.dutch.nl/net Voice : 0031 (0)35 52 42 72 0 FAX : 0031 (0)35 52 66 31 7 ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From net@dutch.nl Tue, 2 Jun 1998 23:02:46 +0900 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2622 (database) From: Rene' Schaap To: studio16 Subject: RE: Fileformats Date: Tue, 2 Jun 98 15:02:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA23894for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 21:03:57 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA32200for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:04:16 +0200 X-ROUTED: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:03:22 0000 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Net X-Mailer: AEMail (Amiga EMail), Version 1.51, (c) 1997-1998 by John F. Zacharias Organization: No Empty Tape Productions Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: d61a4881f8e3d9ca03957daf0f379dc4 On Fri, May 30, 1998, at 09:22 PM, Kenny Nilsen wrote: > Is there anyone that want Studio 16 to support other formats than the > built-in Studio16_1.0, Studio16_2.0, AIFF, RAW, SVX8 ? > > I was thinking of creating some other filters such as WAV and an enhanced > version of the Studio 16 format. The new format would get support with a > new > editor as well. Progress based on feedback. Wav is a must nowadays. Another format fo exporting Audio-files is RealAudio and maybe the Akai File-Format. An enhanced version of the Studio 16 format, when doing this , contact Maurizio C. for include this format in his Audio software project. SeeYaa Rene'(DSP) Schaap _ ( ) No Empty tape Productions. ------------------------------ Get your Masterplan ready for the interactive decade. Email : net@Dutch.nl Homepage: http://www.dutch.nl/net Voice : 0031 (0)35 52 42 72 0 FAX : 0031 (0)35 52 66 31 7 ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From juchnoa@uwstout.edu Mon, 01 Jun 1998 16:18:41 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2619 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2623 (database) From: Art Juchno To: studio16 Subject: Re: Fileformats Date: Mon, 1 Jun 98 22:18:00 Message-ID: <35731AB1.4A75@uwstout.edu> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA24506for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 21:24:05 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA32641for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:24:39 +0200 Organization: Learning Technology Services MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) References: <1504.456T2102T2194407@bgnett.no><9806011923.AA017t3@meta.burner.com> Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 35a4950ec035b618a7f900792dc04c86 Jamie Krutz wrote: > > In article <1504.456T2102T2194407@bgnett.no> "Kenny Nilsen" writes: > > Hi Ted and all, > > > > Not to promise anything, but with a filefilter it is possible to do edits in > > the existing editor actually, ala AIFF. Also, the AIFF filter which contains > > a bug (in rate was it?) can be replaced. Additionally the AIFF filter could > > have a non-standard chunk added to keep the (non-destructive) editlist that > > the Studio 16 files contains so you could do more powerful edits to it. > > Very cool! > > Could your file filter also handle stereo AIFF loading? I'd like to put my vote in for Stereo Aiff as well. If anyone else out there has a Wavetools board this is the only format it will record in. There is a Wavetools utility that will convert Stereo Aiff to Sunrize left & right But loading directly would be preferrable. I wouldn't mind seeing the .krz format either for Kurzweil K2000. Art Juchno ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From tc_silvey@juno.com Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:22:33 -0400 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2607 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2624 (database) From: troy silvey To: studio16 Subject: Kenny's AD1012 Date: Mon, 1 Jun 98 21:22:00 Message-ID: <19980601.190841.15814.0.tc_silvey@juno.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id XAA26723for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:02:35 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA01693for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 01:03:34 +0200 References: <730.456T1312T2623593@bgnett.no> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-9 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 9a6fd878029c2f08b1d88dedcf65202d Kenny, Mail me the card, I'll install the 64k chips and then mail it back. But I think the postage would be a killer from you to Atlanta, USA. :( And maybe not worth the cost. I hope you can do it or find some one closer to do it for you. troy _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From kenny@bgnett.no 02 Jun 98 03:02:47 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2621 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2629 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Rene' Schaap Subject: RE: SMPTE software ! Date: Tue, 2 Jun 98 03:02:00 Message-ID: <1352.457T2365T1824062@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id BAA28909for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 01:36:42 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA04544for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 03:37:37 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 6d52a3c1fb73fe3d49554b74e488c4ba Rene' Schaap wrote: >> you can't. SmpteOut is GUI only and has no comandline nor arexx interface >> to control it. >Is there another way to do it ??? Hi René, Mouse record/replay is one way to do it, but the problem is that as far as I have detected the gadlib buttons that Studio 16 uses checks the hardware directly for mouse presses (Ben, please correct me if I'm wrong). The reason why I assume this is based on that you can't press alt+leftAmiga to simulate a left mousebutton press as you would if it used intuition messages. That means your hardware presses will not be recorded, only intuition [or input events as the mouserecorder really uses] ones. I also get the impression that the gadlib uses its own port (not the intuition one) to handle its own gadget, but I haven't really had the time to study the gadget system in and out yet so I can't say this for sure. If I'm wrong I think the best way is to patch a library vector that is used by the module (f.ex. OpenWindow..) and attach a program when the window opened was "SMPTEOutput". That way you have control on the window and could send intuition messages to it to simulate mousepresses. You can rescale x and y coords based on window sizes etc. It's then also possible to add the ability to accept cli comand and even arexx commands. Hope this makes any sense. regards, - Kenny ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From kenny@bgnett.no 02 Jun 98 03:25:33 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2619 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2630 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Jamie Krutz Subject: Re: Fileformats Date: Tue, 2 Jun 98 03:25:00 Message-ID: <1595.457T1673T2053318@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id BAA28911for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 01:36:42 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA04556for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 03:37:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 227b1ece81cb06980a4e74384cd05809 Jamie Krutz wrote: >Could your file filter also handle stereo AIFF loading? Hi Jamie, It could accept stereo AIFF files, but due to the architecture of Studio 16 (single channel/file system) it's unfortunately not of much use. It could mix the two channels into a mono stream, but I guess some of the 'feature' is lost then and there would be a small overhead in the mixing and scaling. Oh, btw: conserning the WAV format: there will be some overhead involved probably not making it as smooth as wanted. The reason is that WAV 16 bit datas is stored in so-called Intel format (little endian first) and every sample has to be 'rearranged' (swapping little/big endian). On faster CPUs this will probably not be noticable, but on slower system (020/030 and lower) there could might be a overload problem in some cases compared to other formats. Stand to be proved of course. >> non-destructive as well. This is obtained by adding the destructive parts >> to the end of the file and manipulate the editlist (roughly explained). >I like the way you think! Thanks! The only drawback is that to support this new format a new editor must be made (well, most people probably don't see this is a drawback I guess ;) to support this as the internal editor will act destructive anyways. Alternativly it would be great to see a special version of an existing sample editor that pops up as a Studio 16 module (no need to rewrite gui or anything) and used the resources of Studio 16 to play/record etc. This would save tremendous amount of work, but I'm probably loosing ground now.. regards, - Kenny ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From kenny@bgnett.no 02 Jun 98 03:31:03 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2623 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2631 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Art Juchno Subject: Re: Fileformats Date: Tue, 2 Jun 98 03:31:00 Message-ID: <1022.457T152T2112577@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id BAA28910for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 01:36:42 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA04558for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 03:37:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 67137f6031456f6d9806d9f86dccf7af Art Juchno wrote: Hi Art, >I wouldn't mind seeing the .krz format either for Kurzweil K2000. (Almost) any single channel format can be supported, I just need technical documentation on the specs/format/structures to build them. I anyone can supply formats on Kurweil, Akai etc. just let me know. Conserning compressed formats: The reason why compressed data can't be supported fully is due to Studio 16 need to Seek() sometimes (skipping some data forward/backward) and in compressed data it can't keep track of the real position as it would need to decompress the entire body to find out. Decompressing data on the fly is also creating an overhead which could be critical in some cases. If Studio 16 is able to just stream data without the need to seek in the databody it can be supported, if not - forget it. It will need to seek on Cuelist entries using crops/editlists, but I am not 100% sure how Studio 16 acts on noncropped entries, most likely it doesn't, but I have to run some tests to make sure. - Kenny ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From Cecilia@vgn.com 1 Jun 1998 22:01:30 PST X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2632 (database) From: Cecilia To: studio16 Subject: RE: Fileformats Date: Tue, 2 Jun 98 07:01:00 Message-ID: <199806020500.HAA08730@odin.thule.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id EAA03253for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 04:59:50 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA08739for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:01:01 +0200 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 5627c4ab3885ab550b2e63d05553eab9 ST>>>Is there anyone that want Studio 16 to support other formats than the ST> Cecilia@vgn.com: ST>>If we want to keep using the studio16 card, I think this is necessary. ST>>There should be compatability with other machines, and with the "new" ST>>audio format being developed for the Amiga. ST>Hello, Cecilia (of ImageFX ML, as I recall)! Kenny (long time no type!), ST>cast my vote for any formats in wide use (wav, Flyer audio, enhanced, ST>whatever). SoftLogik just took it on the chin in Macworld magazine for Hi, Yep, it's me. I'm planning on making my Studio16 card go Gaussian (inside ImageFX reference). Actually, I'm looking into things like BoXeR and other PPC boards as my Next Amiga. Will I have to keep Studio in my 2000, or can it move around? It would be great to really exploit the potential of this card. I'm not the audio-guy in the family. My brother got his Studio16 card first and wanted to make CD's etc. But, well, we all know what happened. However, I'd like to be able to tell my brother that he can still use his ol' 3000 yet. cecilia ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:09:36 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2632 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2633 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: S16> 1999: Little Red AMIGA 5000 (x:Fileformats) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 98 07:09:00 Message-ID: <000201bd8ded$051d1700$32e5fcce@computername> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id GAA04503for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 06:09:04 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA09914for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:10:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: df95e23158973068479049d0710589cd Hello(!) Cecilia, >Hi, Yep, it's me. I'm planning on making my Studio16 card go Gaussian >(inside ImageFX reference). I'm a sap for radial star music, myself. But lightning strikes... ;*} >Actually, I'm looking into things like BoXeR and other PPC boards as my >Next Amiga. Will I have to keep Studio in my 2000, or can it move >around? It would be great to really exploit the potential of this card. Last time I talked to Mick Tinker (of Access - formerly Index), the slots were to be Zorro3. So it should be no problem to use the AD516 in a BoXeR. But - you will want a SCSI host of some type - the EIDE currently slated for BoXeR is not of the 33MB/sec UltraDMA-mode2 variety, though this has not been finalized. S16 needs good drive speed. For starters, check out http://www.cix.co.uk/~index/welcome.htm . >My brother got his Studio16 card first and wanted to make CD's etc. >But, well, we all know what happened. However, I'd like to be able to >tell my brother that he can still use his ol' 3000 yet. It might be preferable to slap an '060 accelerator with Ultra-SCSI onboard into an existing machine. PPC looks pretty interim, and has no guarantee of significant software support (although it will do ImageFX soon). Don't count on Studio16 on PPC ever. I myself am keeping my existing machine, then buying the Siamese PCI card to put in my (-dare I say it?-) Pentium2@300. That will meet my needs until the New AMIGA arrives in 1999 (x fingers!). It is going to be a screamin' meemie! Again, it is a good time to strategize - we have significant options! Keep tuned -- // T e a m -- greenboy --------------------------------------------- \XX/ A M I G A ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From baff@stc.net Tue, 02 Jun 1998 01:39:24 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2582 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2634 (database) From: Brian Fields To: Kenny Nilsen Subject: Re: Fileformats Date: Mon, 1 Jun 98 21:39:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id GAA05446for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 06:53:43 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA10683for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:55:07 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: f6e01daa42bdd0b39f839d9ecea4182a Greetings Kenny, >I was thinking of creating some other filters such as WAV and an enhanced >version of the Studio 16 format. The new format would get support with a new >editor as well. Progress based on feedback. I think it would be useful to support the WAV format. >** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) -- Brian baff@stc.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From baff@stc.net Tue, 02 Jun 1998 01:46:11 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2618 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2635 (database) From: Brian Fields To: Jamie Krutz Subject: Re: SMPTE software ! Date: Mon, 1 Jun 98 21:46:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id HAA05562for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:00:03 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA10823for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:01:44 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: c5bcbf63233c03f24539f82925ad682c Greetings Jamie, >Wish I could think of the name of the mouse capture program... Journal. . . . . . . a cool little hack. >> - Kenny >Best Regards, > -Jamie >** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) -- Brian baff@stc.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From benfuller@email.msn.com Tue, 2 Jun 1998 03:19:17 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2636 (database) From: Ben Fuller To: studio16 Subject: Re: SMPTE software ! Date: Tue, 2 Jun 98 11:19:00 Message-ID: <002601bd8e0f$ed326b40$0300000a@portaben> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id KAA11244for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:23:54 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA14945for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:22:21 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 0572f8185ebb22906f2e34fee4b6e934 Kenny recently wrote: >Mouse record/replay is one way to do it, but the problem is that as far as I >have detected the gadlib buttons that Studio 16 uses checks the hardware >directly for mouse presses (Ben, please correct me if I'm wrong). The Studio16 gadlib.library installs an input handler at priority 51 (one above the Intuition input handler) and monitors raw input (rawkey, rawmouse, timer) events for processing into its internal gadget system events. IntuiMessages are only used for menu operations and handling the sizing/moving/closing of windows. Theoretically, one should be able to record and playback raw input events at a priority higher than 51 and successfully spoof the gadlib stuff into thinking the input is real. Ben. (and don't blame me... gadlib was way before my time... :-) ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From gembp@shore.net Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:34:49 -0400 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2637 (database) From: Brad To: studio16 Subject: AD1012 Ram Upgrade Date: Tue, 2 Jun 98 15:34:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id OAA19814for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:35:51 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA18351for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:36:53 +0200 X-Sender: gembp@shell1.shore.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 50810d65b039b01a6b9d52943badde9d I had the same problem. The 32k ram on the board are 32x8 SRAM part # 62256 or the like . You can buy 128x8 SRAM part#621000 at many electronic supply houses. (part numbers vary between manufacturers-the important part is the 128x8 address scheme and SRAM) Get low power or CMOS (62C1000). I got mine at Active Electronics for $10 ea. You Need 2 of them. The 128x8 are larger but they will fit into the board. The 32x8 chips are soccetted on the top-front of the card. You will see that they do not take up there entire soccet-the 128 chips will. Be sure to orient them properly. I plugged mine in and studio16_3 worked immediatly. Good luck. I'm not responsible for any problems ...Brad >> does anybody know why I can't get Studio16 v 3.01 to work. I'm having the >> following problem: immediately after program startup, I get the >> following error message on Studio16 main screen (in a >> requester): >> >> AD1012 >> This handler requires at least 64K ram chips > >I can, but you aren't going to like the answer!!! > >V3.0 of Studio16 requires that the AD1012 card be modified to use 64K ram >chips. I never got a reasonable answer as to why, but if I wanted to use my >AD1012, I had to return the card to Sunrize for the mod. > >You have two choices: > >1) use a v2.x version of Studio16 > >2) replace the AD1012 with an AD516. > >There is no info, that I am aware of, to make the mod yourself. > >Sorry to be the bearer of bad news... > >Bill > > >** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From Brrr@aol.com Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:00:30 EDT X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2638 (database) From: Brrr To: studio16 Subject: Re: Fileformats, CDDA Date: Tue, 2 Jun 98 21:00:00 Message-ID: <181ca9bb.357459e2@aol.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id UAA27361for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 20:02:40 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA27878for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 22:03:13 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 8f1516b6ddd18ac295a1af4285fe8f87 In a message dated 6/1/98 12:19:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kenny@bgnett.no writes: << That CDDA player would come in handy to check files before mastering. Would >we be able to play them from Stu16? Yes, even drop them on the Cuelist. >> That would be fantastic, Kenny. Again, today I mastered another "coaster", as 3 of 8 files were corrupt on the CD, and I can see no pattern as to why this occurred, as they play perfectly in Stu16. It's such a waste of time to work hours and not know of problems before you commit to disk. Off the top of my head, here are some more Stu16 time wasters: 1) Ok'ing requesters that come up while editing the second track of a stereo pair (as if you usually didn't cut, truncate, scale, etc., channel two of a pair. 2) As per my post last week: The inability of the software to edit automatically at the zero-crossing point, instead of {noisyclick!} elsewhere on the waveform. 3) No digital-audio I/Outs. (Note: The DelphinaLite doesn't have 'em, & they were to-be developed almost a year ago!) 4) "Showing" a range at the beginning or end of a sample, Processing that range, and then discovering that little bit that wasn't "shown" and is {noisyclick!} unprocessed. 5) ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From doncox@enterprise.net Tue, 02 Jun 1998 22:10:24 +0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2574 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2639 (database) From: Don Cox To: studio16 Subject: Re: SMPTE software ! Date: Tue, 2 Jun 98 23:10:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA28980for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:17:10 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA28516for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 23:17:12 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 75fe12d57725404f068add3d9c902734 Hello Rene' On 28-May-98, Rene' Schaap wrote: > Hey, > > I there anyone there who knows how to start the SMPTE Out software from within > Scala or InfoChannel ????? > > I wanna use the Scala machine as a Master with SMPTE - timecode Out and Midi TC Out. I downloaded Scripit from Aminet and tried it out. The following script will run the SMPTE program, set it to PAL time code, play code for 5 seconds (250 jiffies) and stop. I haven't seen a way to set to a particular code other than 00:00:00 yet. If you look at the Scripit docs, you will see that the scripts can be run from within an ARexx script, which of course Scala can run. Note carefully the spaces in the menu items, between the quotes. SMPTEoutput has spaces in its menus. ;; Scripit script file: ;; For Sunrize SMPTE out ;; Skeleton program by Don Cox BEGIN SELECT WAIT 1000 ABORT RUNBACK "Programs:Video/SMPTEout/SMPTEoutput" S MENU " SmpteOutput " W ACTIVATE MENU " SmpteOutput "," SMPTE Type - 25" MENU " SmpteOutput "," Play" WAIT 250 MENU " SmpteOutput "," Stop" Regards -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From tc_silvey@juno.com Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:52:59 -0400 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2636 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2640 (database) From: troy silvey To: studio16 Subject: Re: SMPTE software ! Date: Tue, 2 Jun 98 22:52:01 Message-ID: <19980602.175302.3582.1.tc_silvey@juno.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA29946for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:48:00 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA28910for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 23:49:33 +0200 References: <002601bd8e0f$ed326b40$0300000a@portaben> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-3,5-18 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: ad0d2c23723e4a20c0de7e6aaa1da133 On Tue, 2 Jun 1998 03:19:17 -0700 "Ben Fuller" writes: >Theoretically, one should be able to record and playback raw input >events at a priority higher than 51 and successfully spoof the gadlib stuff into >thinking the input is real. I have missed part of this thread, what do you intend to use these input events for? What playbacks could you create using input data like this for SMPTE? And Kenny, how long till we start that PCI S16-s card? Amiga bridge and amiga 5.0 aren't far away :) Well back to my interface. I have a good ideal of the layout but there is tons of code still to do. I think I could knit faster. troy _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From danv@colba.net Tue, 02 Jun 1998 18:30:28 -0400 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2582 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2641 (database) From: Daniel Vaillancourt To: Kenny Nilsen Subject: Re: Fileformats Date: Tue, 2 Jun 98 23:30:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id WAA01038for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 22:32:58 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA29937for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 00:34:32 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Me Myself and I inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id AAA29932 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 99cb8b66074df5ad7b2e8f87d6747fec Le 30-Mai-98, Kenny Nilsen ŕ écrit : > Is there anyone that want Studio 16 to support other formats than the > built-in Studio16_1.0, Studio16_2.0, AIFF, RAW, SVX8 ? It sould be interresting to support CDDA file format, stereo AIFF, MAUD ... -- Daniel Vaillancourt Vice-président danv@colba.net Club Amiga du Québec ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From kenny@bgnett.no 03 Jun 98 01:32:49 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2640 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2645 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: troy silvey Subject: Re: SMPTE software ! Date: Wed, 3 Jun 98 01:32:00 Message-ID: <832.458T2490T924155@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id XAA02578for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 23:45:11 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA31194for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 01:46:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 80e5826553f466e396de1a877a8111b5 troy silvey wrote: >>[Ben] ...gadlib thinking the input is real. >I have missed part of this thread, what do you intend to use these >input events for? What playbacks could you create using input >data like this for SMPTE? Injecting inputevents can have the SMPTEOutput module to think its buttons are beeing pressed so it can be used from external program as it is GUI only. >And Kenny, how long till we start that PCI S16-s card? Hold on.. I think I have a billion in my left pocket ;) >Amiga bridge and amiga 5.0 aren't far away :) And they sound interresting. Looking forward to see what specs they will have besides from the 'mysterious super chip' :-) Maybe we should gather a team to get involved with AI to support and develop on the video/sound production side as they have stated they will target as well.. - Kenny ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From kenny@bgnett.no 03 Jun 98 01:19:43 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2641 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2646 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Daniel Vaillancourt Subject: Re: Fileformats Date: Wed, 3 Jun 98 01:19:00 Message-ID: <466.458T2189T794438@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id XAA02590for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 23:45:19 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA31193for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 01:46:48 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 00155cd0600af7ee268e359dd803f349 Daniel Vaillancourt wrote: >> Is there anyone that want Studio 16 to support other formats than the >> built-in Studio16_1.0, Studio16_2.0, AIFF, RAW, SVX8 ? >It sould be interresting to support CDDA file format, stereo AIFF, MAUD ... Hello Daniel, CDDA fileformat is no problem to support, besides RAW format CDDA is the most simple format to support as there is no header to handle. MAUD is noted. I think I have some docs on that somewhere on the HD. - Kenny ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From kenny@bgnett.no 03 Jun 98 01:43:55 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2646 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2647 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: All Subject: Re: Fileformats Date: Wed, 3 Jun 98 01:43:01 Message-ID: <214.458T2795T1035060@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id AAA02818for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 00:00:43 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA31654for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 02:02:13 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 0856f2b255ca2cc49a879ae75b7e7a0d Kenny Nilsen wrote: >CDDA fileformat is no problem to support... I'm speaking too fast.. CDDA is of course stereo and then the limitations such as with stereo AIFFs apply here as well. Sorry about that. - Kenny ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From masquith@bellatlantic.net 2 Jun 98 23:09:58 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2582 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2648 (database) From: Mike Masquith To: studio16 Subject: Re: Fileformats Date: Tue, 2 Jun 98 19:09:01 Message-ID: <35748645.MD-0.198.masquith@bellatlantic.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id DAA06199for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 03:42:43 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA04825for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 05:42:20 +0200 Organization: Barkin' Beaver Studios Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS 0.198 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: ce7c16eea0537b8bea0b98b2689f1d8e > Is there anyone that want Studio 16 to support other formats than the > built-in Studio16_1.0, Studio16_2.0, AIFF, RAW, SVX8 ? YES! WAV >>>AND<<< CDDA ... both LSB first and MSB first!!! It would be a big time saver to those burning CDs. Thanks. -- -Mike Masquith, Barkin' Beaver Studios, VA, USA -A4000/060,CSMK1,CybSCSI Eagle Tower,VLM-Toccata,Ariadne -A3000/040,AD516,Ariadne,YamahaCDR101 ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From Brrr@aol.com Wed, 3 Jun 1998 03:03:12 EDT X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2650 (database) From: Brrr To: studio16 Subject: CDDA corrupt files Date: Wed, 3 Jun 98 08:03:00 Message-ID: <8cae8add.3574f531@aol.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id HAA11333for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 07:05:33 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA12031for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:05:49 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 0805966ffa8af4d3116c622b28d6ec12 Re: My post of 6/2: << Again, today I mastered another "coaster", as 3 of 8 files were corrupt on the CD, and I can see no pattern as to why this occurred, as they play perfectly in Stu16. >> Ok, I got some answers today... Rick Giannini (sp?) of Asimware told me to download "Play16.lha" from aminet. This program will play a multitude of audio file formats thru the Amiga's RCA audio output jacks. With the appropriate options enabled, you can load and play (RAW) CDDA files and check them prior to a CD burn (exactly what Kenny has just volunteered for Stu16). I did this with both my corrupt and good files and learned that "MasterISO" introduced errors during the conversion from AIFF to CDDA. Rick then asked me to send him an example of the the good/bad files for inspection, and then mentioned that they did have some problems converting MONO files to CDDA. No sh_t !! I'll give ya one guess what my corrupted files are... BTW, "MasterISO" v2.1 is due out in about two weeks, and should address this problem. -Burr Huntington A2000/Flyer A3000/Stu16 ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From doncox@enterprise.net Wed, 03 Jun 1998 10:00:08 +0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2645 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2652 (database) From: Don Cox To: studio16 Subject: Re: SMPTE software ! Date: Wed, 3 Jun 98 11:00:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id JAA14528for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:09:42 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA14520for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:09:27 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: a84aa085c59c8b76e3c370674c85e5cc Hello Kenny On 03-Jun-98, Kenny Nilsen wrote: > And they sound interresting. Looking forward to see what specs they will > have besides from the 'mysterious super chip' :-) Maybe we should gather a > team to get involved with AI to support and develop on the video/sound > production side as they have stated they will target as well.. I think AI are going to need reminding about a few things if the new Amigas are to be any use at all for creative work. At present they seem to have their eye firmly on the consumer living-room home cinema market. For instance, I think the emphasis will be on playback of Dolby Digital Surround (very nice, certainly) rather than on 20-bit recording or good MIDI facilities. Regards -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From doncox@enterprise.net Wed, 03 Jun 1998 09:56:45 +0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2646 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2653 (database) From: Don Cox To: studio16 Subject: Re: Fileformats Date: Wed, 3 Jun 98 10:56:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id JAA14537for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:09:46 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA14517for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:09:21 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 2f2643bd2fe5de9c245ba5e871c4fec5 Hello Kenny On 03-Jun-98, Kenny Nilsen wrote: > > CDDA fileformat is no problem to support, besides RAW format CDDA is the > most simple format to support as there is no header to handle. MAUD is > noted. I think I have some docs on that somewhere on the HD. I believe Marc Albrecht has had trouble supporting MAUD as the format was changed without clear documentation. -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From juchnoa@UWSTOUT.EDU Wed, 03 Jun 1998 10:40:40 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2647 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2658 (database) From: Art Juchno To: studio16 Subject: Re: Fileformats Date: Wed, 3 Jun 98 16:40:00 Message-ID: <35756E78.13BF@uwstout.edu> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (root@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA28258for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 18:37:25 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA23242for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:47:31 +0200 Organization: Learning Technology Services MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) References: <214.458T2795T1035060@bgnett.no> Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 56f6df78ddeeaf48ffdeb61610fea7f2 Hi Kenny, Kenny Nilsen wrote: > > Kenny Nilsen wrote: > >CDDA fileformat is no problem to support... > > I'm speaking too fast.. CDDA is of course stereo and then the limitations > such as with stereo AIFFs apply here as well. Sorry about that. The ASIM CDFS folks allow you to read (covert) cdda from CD's to Stereo .aiff or Left & Right .aiff. You may consider contacting them. They are long time Amiga supporters. http://www.asimware.com/index.html I have been able to copy Left & right tracks to Ram: in Aiff and load them into Sudio 16. I suppose others have as well. This doesn't work as well to my harddrive as click tend to get imbeded in the sample data. Art Juchno > - Kenny > > ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From kenny@bgnett.no 03 Jun 98 18:12:26 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2652 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2661 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Don Cox Subject: Re: SMPTE software ! Date: Wed, 3 Jun 98 18:12:00 Message-ID: <612.458T1302T10923111@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id XAA09673for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:34:04 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA00179for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:35:42 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 94612b8096d7baccc073b5d9f6850791 Don Cox wrote: >Amigas are to be any use at all for creative work. At present they >seem to have their eye firmly on the consumer living-room home cinema >market. For instance, I think the emphasis will be on playback of >Dolby Digital Surround (very nice, certainly) rather than on 20-bit >recording or good MIDI facilities. Hi Don, I guess most professional want the option of choosing its sound/midi hardware themself. If AI implements some hardware they also take the risk of outdating themself or mis the market and it increases the cost. A pro would probably buy own hardware anyway. IMHO. re, - Kenny ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From kenny@bgnett.no 03 Jun 98 18:12:47 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2653 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2662 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Don Cox Subject: Re: Fileformats Date: Wed, 3 Jun 98 18:12:00 Message-ID: <189.458T2399T10924564@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id XAA09674for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:34:04 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA00178for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:35:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: f0b284d2422156add031ee133cd176bd Don Cox wrote: >I believe Marc Albrecht has had trouble supporting MAUD as the format >was changed without clear documentation. Interresting. Thanks Don! I will check it out. re, - Kenny ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From kenny@bgnett.no 04 Jun 98 01:21:04 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2650 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2663 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Brrr Subject: Re: CDDA corrupt files Date: Thu, 4 Jun 98 01:21:00 Message-ID: <671.459T227T812272@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id XAA09682for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:34:13 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA00176for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:35:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 9e42ee43980ba0367e973ba7a6424fa0 Brrr wrote: >play (RAW) CDDA files and check them prior to a CD burn (exactly what Kenny >has just volunteered for Stu16). Hi Brrr and all, just to clearify: I am not willing to promise any new filters as I work with almost no documentation (just a structure). I just try to get an overview on what is wanted and see what I can do. Right now I got loaded with work I have to prior as I need to feed stomacs and pay bills. ;-) >problems converting MONO files to CDDA. No sh_t !! I'll give ya one guess >what my corrupted files are... >BTW, "MasterISO" v2.1 is due out in about two weeks, and should address this >problem. Glad things worked out! regards, - Kenny ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From kenny@bgnett.no 04 Jun 98 02:15:25 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2658 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2664 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Art Juchno Subject: Re: Fileformats Date: Thu, 4 Jun 98 02:15:00 Message-ID: <564.459T1279T1352896@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id AAA10314for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 00:20:48 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA01283for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 02:22:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 407f19e73ef8fccf1310081aba9936cd Art Juchno wrote: >> such as with stereo AIFFs apply here as well. Sorry about that. Hi Art, >The ASIM CDFS folks allow you to read (covert) cdda from CD's to Stereo >.aiff or Left & Right .aiff. I have already created tools to convert CDDA images to Studio 16 format (in the Studio16add.lha package [CDDA2Studio] ), but not directly from CDs though. >You may consider contacting them. They are long time Amiga supporters. > http://www.asimware.com/index.html Thanks, I can hear with them it they want to adapt the Studio 16 format as well. regards, - Kenny ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From tc_silvey@juno.com Tue, 2 Jun 1998 22:14:20 -0400 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2645 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2665 (database) From: troy silvey To: studio16 Subject: Re: SMPTE software ! Date: Wed, 3 Jun 98 03:14:00 Message-ID: <19980603.225911.9686.0.tc_silvey@juno.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id CAA12514for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 02:51:43 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA05514for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 04:53:15 +0200 References: <832.458T2490T924155@bgnett.no> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-4,6-9,11-13,15,17-23 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: cad2ccbe1af2f2fbddd389e060fd91e4 >Injecting inputevents can have the SMPTEOutput module to think its >buttons are beeing pressed so it can be used from external program as it is >GUI only. Ah, I get it. That does sound like a very tricky work around (to me anyway) >And they sound interresting. Looking forward to see what specs they >will >have besides from the 'mysterious super chip' :-) Maybe we should >gather a team to get involved with AI to support and develop on the video/sound >production side as they have stated they will target as well.. That would be a job I could enjoy. Don't think I could quit my day job any time soon though. No where is that lottery ticket........ let's see Jackpot == $17millionUS I think that could get me a small team and a sound blaster 16 card :) I'm sure one of the other sound card makers like delfinia must be looking into this already. As soon as AI can give us some concrete specs on the buss and interface, we can definitly take a swing at it. troy _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From masquith@bellatlantic.net 4 Jun 98 00:00:56 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2652 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2666 (database) From: Mike Masquith To: studio16 Subject: Re: SMPTE software ! Date: Wed, 3 Jun 98 20:00:01 Message-ID: <3575E3B8.MD-0.198.masquith@bellatlantic.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id EAA14128for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 04:40:48 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA08690for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 06:42:18 +0200 Organization: Barkin' Beaver Studios Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS 0.198 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: a53788a5b6d6829636282858575a6244 > I think AI are going to need reminding about a few things if the new > Amigas are to be any use at all for creative work. At present they > seem to have their eye firmly on the consumer living-room home cinema > market. For instance, I think the emphasis will be on playback of > Dolby Digital Surround (very nice, certainly) rather than on 20-bit > recording or good MIDI facilities. yes, Yes, YES! We need developers! I want to be able to be using the new kick-butt Amiga to create cool music and video, not sit on the couch and WATCH IT! This should be the computer everyone at NAB and NAMM shows sees and says "I have GOT to get me one of THESE!!!" (think of Will Smith in the movie Independance Day). I hope they don't decide to concede all the CREATION of the cool A/V stuff to the Macs and PCs and relegate the Amiga to PLAYBACK only! Isn't it still going to be "the computer for the creative mind"? -- -Mike Masquith, Barkin' Beaver Studios, VA, USA -A4000/060,CSMK1,CybSCSI Eagle Tower,VLM-Toccata,Ariadne -A3000/040,AD516,Ariadne,YamahaCDR101 ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From doncox@enterprise.net Thu, 04 Jun 1998 18:45:38 +0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2666 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2669 (database) From: Don Cox To: studio16 Subject: Re: SMPTE software ! Date: Thu, 4 Jun 98 19:45:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA05519for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 18:05:56 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA25261for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 20:04:51 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: acfede773c214b600351284566c82b74 On 03-Jun-98, Mike Masquith wrote: > > I hope they don't decide to concede all the CREATION of the cool A/V > stuff to the Macs and PCs and relegate the Amiga to PLAYBACK only! > Isn't it still going to be "the computer for the creative mind"? Well, that's what I want. (We all like to think we have creative minds!) I think they envisage any Amigas in towers with slots being made by third parties such as Access (Index). I am really concerned to make sure they don't make decisions which prevent the development of a stunning big machine with PCI (and maybe also Zorro II) slots. Regards -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From net@dutch.nl Tue, 28 Nov 1995 07:05:34 +0900 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2670 (database) From: Rene' Schaap To: studio16 Subject: RE: SMPTE software ! Date: Mon, 27 Nov 95 23:05:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id TAA06913for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 19:15:39 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA26781for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 21:16:30 +0200 X-ROUTED: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 21:15:42 0000 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Net X-Mailer: AEMail (Amiga EMail), Version 1.51, (c) 1997-1998 by John F. Zacharias Organization: No Empty Tape Productions Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 965119e6bb82b079f267e13ef4c383f8 On Thu, Jun 4, 1998, at 06:45 PM, Don Cox wrote: > On 03-Jun-98, Mike Masquith wrote: > > > > > I hope they don't decide to concede all the CREATION of the cool A/V > > stuff to the Macs and PCs and relegate the Amiga to PLAYBACK only! > > Isn't it still going to be "the computer for the creative mind"? > > Well, that's what I want. (We all like to think we have creative > minds!) > I think they envisage any Amigas in towers with slots being made by > third parties such as Access (Index). I am really concerned to make > sure they don't make decisions which prevent the development of a > stunning big machine with PCI (and maybe also Zorro II) slots. > They must sell a lot machines to make money, so some decisions will be made which we Amigans do not like. But we have no choice i think, when i bouht my first Amiga 11 years ago, an Amiga 2000A, i had a mean machine, then. I now own an Amiga Classic (what's in a name). When AI comes with a new mean machine in 1999, what's the problem ? We can provide AI with much info and wishes, so they can build a user machine for the Amigans. Audio en Video will be provided, and when PC or Mac Hardware and software can run on this machine under an Amiga OS, that's fun. Nice Hardware and Software without W95/98, great. SeeYaa Rene'(DSP) Schaap _ ( ) No Empty tape Productions. ------------------------------ Get your Masterplan ready for the interactive decade. Email : net@Dutch.nl Homepage: http://www.dutch.nl/net Voice : 0031 (0)35 52 42 72 0 FAX : 0031 (0)35 52 66 31 7 ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From kenny@bgnett.no 04 Jun 98 08:38:17 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2671 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: All Subject: ANNOUNCE: SuperModel Date: Thu, 4 Jun 98 08:38:00 Message-ID: <1310.459T885T5182414@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id XAA12143for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 23:20:11 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA32370for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 01:20:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 6392599d9995e2cad2fca1273f22c007 Should be available from AmiNet in a couple of days from this link: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/util/misc/SuperModel.lha ["SuperModel" was just a worktitle, but I wasn't able to figure out something better so.. :-) ] NOTE: In order to have SuperModel to work flawlessy you must turn OFF the option 'Simple Title' in the Preference window. -- $VER: SuperModel 1.1 (04.06.98) Copyright (C) 1998 by Digital Surface/Kenneth "Kenny" Nilsen. All rights reserved. SuperModel is a patch for Studio 16 that patches some functions in the gadlib.library of Studio 16 v3 system. The purpose is to enhance the look and feel. Features - New REQUESTERS. Forcing Studio 16 to use standard intuition requesters instead. - Thin lines on window top border, some boxes (such as in the mixer), and other places. How to install: - Copy the file to C: - Edit your "s:user-startup" and add the following line: run >nil: supermodel [You will need Studio 16 v3 properly setup with assign Studio16_3:libs/ and the gadlib.library here.] That's it! It you want to quit SuperModel you can send a CTRL+C signal to it. HISTORY 1.1 - Added patches for requesters AskUser() and TellUser(). Uses intuition/EasyRequest() instead. 1.0 - First public release. Bundled with mus/play/NewPlay.lha - Kenny ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From danv@colba.net Fri, 05 Jun 1998 03:47:54 -0400 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2646 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2672 (database) From: Daniel Vaillancourt To: Kenny Nilsen Subject: Re: Fileformats Date: Fri, 5 Jun 98 08:47:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id HAA20337for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 07:50:55 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA07116for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:52:09 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Me Myself and I inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id JAA07113 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 7b2f416b8a533949c9340ac8a68ec8ea Le 02-Juin-98, Kenny Nilsen ŕ écrit : > CDDA fileformat is no problem to support, besides RAW format CDDA is the > most simple format to support as there is no header to handle. MAUD is > noted. I think I have some docs on that somewhere on the HD. If you need some helf, let us know ... -- Daniel Vaillancourt Vice-président danv@colba.net Club Amiga du Québec ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From rotoole@norex.com.au Fri, 05 Jun 1998 16:51:03 +1000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2673 (database) From: jessey To: studio16 Subject: Date: Fri, 5 Jun 98 07:51:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id MAA28877for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:20:43 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA11909for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:22:09 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 6f16647f9ff317faeed23a9b6df7a15c Greetings, Just discovered this mail-list.I've been searching for any info on Sunrise stuff for ages with little sucess. Then a couple of weeks I found mention of this list in an english mag. I've been using my S16/A3000 for about 5 yrs. I had all but lost hope in finding anyone still using or interested in a system that has served me well. I hve one minor/major problem. My AD516 fell over 6 mths ago and wont get up. I got the tech at work to scope it out and he tells me that the CS4215-KL ES chip ( It has a graphic that looks like an E on it ) is the root of the problem. So I guess the question is, what is it, where can I get it. Looks like a bit of a challenge to replace. Does any one trustworthy still service Sunrise hardware. any help with that one would be greatly appreciated. . Jessey ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From onad@ao.net Fri, 05 Jun 1998 18:58:51 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2674 (database) From: Dan Oberley To: studio16 Subject: New Amigas Date: Fri, 5 Jun 98 14:58:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id XAA16174for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 23:06:08 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA27168for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 01:04:50 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 949d32619fa7dfb257cc223161ec805d Whats this I keep hearing about "New Amigas" I hear something about some new chip that is "beyond" PPC?? Anybody have any info? -- ******************************** Spider Byte Dan Oberley Studio's Winter Park, FL (407)740-6616 ******************************** ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From modinvideo@sprintmail.com Fri, 05 Jun 1998 16:20:24 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2674 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2675 (database) From: Gordon Modin To: studio16 Subject: Re: New Amigas Date: Sat, 6 Jun 98 00:20:00 Message-ID: <35787D37.4CB5@sprintmail.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id XAA16371for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 23:18:47 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA27501for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 01:20:47 +0200 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sprintmail.com Organization: Gordon Modin Video Production X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: d1aeb6d4bedee1b2564224616af2854a Dan Oberley wrote: > > Whats this I keep hearing about "New Amigas" I hear something about some new > chip that is "beyond" PPC?? Anybody have any info? > There is going to be something called the Pre Box that has four PPC chips in it that will supposedly connect to an Amiga externally. This should be coming out at the end of the year. I have forgotten where it is, but there is also a site with a photo of the new Amiga prototype tower complete with a view of the new Workbench screen (very 3D and colorful) and included audio speakers. All and all, very nice. Gordon Modin ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From turk@gulftel.com Fri, 05 Jun 1998 19:39:05 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2675 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2676 (database) From: CMM To: studio16 Subject: Re[2]: New Amigas Date: Sat, 6 Jun 98 02:39:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id AAA17606for ; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 00:39:58 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA29857for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 02:41:42 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview3 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: CMM MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: db6e3cc5962e455c1256d099ef820b8a On 05-Jun-98, Gordon Modin wrote: > Dan Oberley wrote: >> >> Whats this I keep hearing about "New Amigas" I hear something about some new >> chip that is "beyond" PPC?? Anybody have any info? >> > > > There is going to be something called the Pre Box that has four PPC > chips in it that will supposedly connect to an Amiga externally. This > should be coming out at the end of the year. I have forgotten where it > is, but there is also a site with a photo of the new Amiga prototype > tower complete with a view of the new Workbench screen (very 3D and > colorful) and included audio speakers. All and all, very nice. > There will be completely new Amigas based on a yet to be named "superchip", that will alledgedly be light years beyond anything else in 1999. This is old news, and the best thing for you to do is to go to the Amiga Web Directory, new links and follow the links regarding this and the AI announcements. http://www.cucug.org/aminew.html ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From doncox@enterprise.net Sat, 06 Jun 1998 11:02:17 +0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2676 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2678 (database) From: Don Cox To: studio16 Subject: Re: New Amigas Date: Sat, 6 Jun 98 12:02:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id KAA25156for ; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 10:03:27 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA05221for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 12:05:05 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: e9128620bfae84b84a59e6af8a0bdb31 Hello CMM On 06-Jun-98, CMM wrote: > and the best thing for you to do is to go to the Amiga > Web Directory, new links and follow the links regarding > this and the AI announcements. Better still, go to www.amiga.com and www.cix.co.uk/~index But to summarise, there will be 1. new motherboards from Access, with PPC processors and (next year) enhanced compatible replacement for AGA chips 2. an Amiga card with AGA to go in a PCI slot in a PC, designed by Access and sold by Siamese; this combination will also be used as a "bridge" setup for developing software for 3. a completely new computer from Amiga Inc, intended to replace existing Amigas, using a new type of very advanced multi-media chip, running existing software under emulation. ETA end of 1999, they hope. 4. another PPC machine called pre/box, from Phase5. 5. yet another, from Power computing, designed by DCE in Germany (who designed the Wonder TV for the Asian market). First release of 1 & 2 should be in the shops in September. 3 is a bit vaporish at present, IMO. There is also the Access Amiga for kiosks etc, already available from Paxtron. Regards -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Sat, 6 Jun 1998 15:53:25 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2680 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio 16 GuestList Subject: Metaphors in Musicware - A/V Compliant Applications Date: Sat, 6 Jun 98 22:53:00 Message-ID: <000001bd9195$87d3c800$4fe5fcce@computername> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA06474for ; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:54:58 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA16742for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 23:56:02 +0200 To: "Studio 16 GuestList" ,"Team AMIGA" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: d07dff8ebc6435b35c249f5ff1bbeb62 Hello all! We need to determine what should be in place at the system level for the next generation of Amiga audio. The approach should be ambitious - the hardware will be there to provide for an imaginative foray into both audio and video communication. Ideally, the modern Amiga production environment should allow individual modules/programs to operate as a single integrated application - without compromising the learning experience, ease of use, or power for any tier of use. The user should be offered intelligent defaults as well as total configurability. In past discourse it was agreed there was a pressing need for multiple midi-ports. This would probably best be implemented via a common library working in conjunction with vendor-supplied drivers. Existing hardware hanging off PCI slots/standard ports including USB - can be exploited. Similarly, we need audiocard support. AHI is a good step in the right direction - but the old Amiga doesn't have a professional selection of current-production soundcards. Yet PCI slots in the 1999 Amigas should accept all cards made by specialist vendors in high-bit audio. The cards presently available are affordable and capable of up to 24-bit specs. (These solutions commonly perform synthesis, sample recording/playback, nonlinear multitracking (music mastering and video support). Typical professional cards have a breakout box that contains the interfacing and ADC/ADC packaging, so as to achieve pro connects and audio performance.) Not to get really detailed at this time, but we also need: (1) a standard for audio plug-ins. Mac developers are just finalizing their standard, as no official spec was established when plug-ins first arrived by the hundreds (for ProTools). On the Winter front, a plug-in standard has been defined and is already widely supported. We need one. (2) system-level support for SMPTE, MIDI timecode, MIDI Machine Control, and Word Clock protocols. This is desirable because Audio/Video-aware applications can then share access to sync, and establish the necessary master/slave hierarchy existing tools depend on. This can be dynamic. (3) a patchbay module that stores "studio profiles" of midi-channels, gear names, and the specific routing of all interfaced gear, and then publishes to A/V-compliant applications. Each application then has access to the profiles via standard hooks. This helps to organize a setup, allows intuitive use, and minimizes redundant data entry. (4) a protocol that supports alternates control surfaces, to integrate expressive gestures and snapshot/dynamic automation. Any A/V compliant application should coexist with onscreen control modules. Check it out: http://www.peavey.com/division/mi/keyboards/MIDIcontrollers/pc1600x.html -- for an example of a dirt-cheap effective way to control lights, editors, synths, samplers, drum-machines, mixers-on-a-card, non-linear audio/video, etc. (Similarly, hardware-based audio/video gear should be easily included as part of the environment.) [The mouse should not be a virtual substitute for 199 different sliders/ knobs/switches/jog-shuttles when doing a job that traditionally requires hands-on control. In a time-is-money environment it is a stumbling block and it also stifles creative experimentation, and more dynamic music.] Discuss? - Or should I assume we all believe the current metaphors in Amiga musicware will suit the needs of the next millennium via emulation? // T e a m -- greenboy --------------------------------------------- \XX/ A M I G A ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From masquith@bellatlantic.net 6 Jun 98 20:14:56 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2680 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2681 (database) From: Mike Masquith To: studio16 Subject: Re: Metaphors in Musicware - A/V Compliant Applications Date: Sat, 6 Jun 98 16:14:01 Message-ID: <3579A340.MD-0.198.masquith@bellatlantic.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id AAA08358for ; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 00:19:19 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA19349for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 02:20:28 +0200 Organization: Barkin' Beaver Studios Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS 0.198 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 904401f977bf625404f828c3d73b3d8d > Hello all! We need to determine what should be in place at the system > level for the next generation of Amiga audio. The approach should be > ambitious - the hardware will be there to provide for an imaginative > foray into both audio and video communication. First question is: Who wants to compile a concensus of what we want to see in the new Amiga OS regarding audio? Greenboy, you seem to have a great start here... wanna do it? Second: Who to send this to? ICOA? Amiga INC? Yes, the reprogrammability of the MMC might be exploited in ways other platforms can only dream of. Getting access to existing cards currently used by the other platforms may be a different story. I suspect it will be difficult to convince manufacturers to support the Amiga. I hope I'm wrong. I hope some companies see this as a huge opportunity. > Ideally, the modern Amiga production environment should allow individual > modules/programs to operate as a single integrated application - without > compromising the learning experience, ease of use, or power for any tier > of use. The user should be offered intelligent defaults as well as total > configurability. Powerful, yet easy to use interprocess communications is a must. Arexx is good but needs lots of updating even for the classic Amigas. The new Amiga needs something similar, but of course, much more advanced. > In past discourse it was agreed there was a pressing need for multiple > midi-ports. This would probably best be implemented via a common library > working in conjunction with vendor-supplied drivers. Existing hardware > hanging off PCI slots/standard ports including USB - can be exploited. Yes. Finally having access to so much industry standard stuff will be delightful. > Similarly, we need audiocard support. AHI is a good step in the right > direction - but the old Amiga doesn't have a professional selection of > current-production soundcards. Yet PCI slots in the 1999 Amigas should > accept all cards made by specialist vendors in high-bit audio. The cards > presently available are affordable and capable of up to 24-bit specs. > (These solutions commonly perform synthesis, sample recording/playback, > nonlinear multitracking (music mastering and video support). Typical > professional cards have a breakout box that contains the interfacing and > ADC/ADC packaging, so as to achieve pro connects and audio performance.) I've said it several times, DIGITAL AUDIO I/O!! Now with the possibility of using the advanced stuff made for PC/Mac, it can happen. We need to pull in some of these companies to at least consider allowing Amiga libraries/drivers/applications to be created to use their hardware. I would love to try to get Frontier Designs WaveCenter card in a new Amiga, for example. Their card is just digital I/O to ADAT or S/PDIF. If you don't have an ADAT or regular DAT, they have a single rack space 8 channel A/D D/A box. > Not to get really detailed at this time, but we also need: > > (1) a standard for audio plug-ins. Mac developers are just finalizing > their standard, as no official spec was established when plug-ins first > arrived by the hundreds (for ProTools). On the Winter front, a plug-in > standard has been defined and is already widely supported. We need one. > > (2) system-level support for SMPTE, MIDI timecode, MIDI Machine Control, > and Word Clock protocols. This is desirable because Audio/Video-aware > applications can then share access to sync, and establish the necessary > master/slave hierarchy existing tools depend on. This can be dynamic. Possibly even system level support for the file types involved, too? MIDI, Sample-Dump standard, all the audio file formats, etc. > > (3) a patchbay module that stores "studio profiles" of midi-channels, > gear names, and the specific routing of all interfaced gear, and then > publishes to A/V-compliant applications. Each application then has > access to the profiles via standard hooks. This helps to organize a > setup, allows intuitive use, and minimizes redundant data entry. This might be too much for inclusion into the OS, might be more likely to be an application itself. > > (4) a protocol that supports alternates control surfaces, to integrate > expressive gestures and snapshot/dynamic automation. Any A/V compliant > application should coexist with onscreen control modules. Check it out: > > http://www.peavey.com/division/mi/keyboards/MIDIcontrollers/pc1600x.html VERY cool! I may buy one... how much $ ? > > -- for an example of a dirt-cheap effective way to control lights, > editors, synths, samplers, drum-machines, mixers-on-a-card, non-linear > audio/video, etc. (Similarly, hardware-based audio/video gear should be > easily included as part of the environment.) > > [The mouse should not be a virtual substitute for 199 different sliders/ > knobs/switches/jog-shuttles when doing a job that traditionally requires > hands-on control. In a time-is-money environment it is a stumbling block > and it also stifles creative experimentation, and more dynamic music.] > > Discuss? - Or should I assume we all believe the current metaphors in > Amiga musicware will suit the needs of the next millennium via emulation? All great ideas! -- -Mike Masquith, Barkin' Beaver Studios, VA, USA -A4000/060,CSMK1,CybSCSI Eagle Tower,VLM-Toccata,Ariadne -A3000/040,AD516,Ariadne,YamahaCDR101 ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From tc_silvey@juno.com Fri, 5 Jun 1998 22:30:51 -0400 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2676 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2682 (database) From: troy silvey To: studio16 Subject: Re:New Amigas Date: Sat, 6 Jun 98 03:30:01 Message-ID: <19980606.223334.9702.0.tc_silvey@juno.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id CAA09835for ; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 02:27:21 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA21201for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 04:28:55 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-23 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 32e3fcf1efbb9070ee30aa3fb348e114 >> Whats this I keep hearing about "New Amigas" I hear something about >> chip that is "beyond" PPC?? Anybody have any info? > >> There is going to be something called the Pre Box that has four PPC > >and the best thing for you to do is to go to the Amiga >Web Directory, new links and follow the links regarding And better yet, go strait to the source at www.amiga.com and www.amiga.de Both are the official corporate sites of the new amiga. Lots of additional info can be found at www.amiga.org And have a look at some of the latest softwares at www.amigaflame.co.uk.......... and lets see to stay up to date from now on, get a subscription to amiga informer at www.amigainformer.com, or CU-Amiga Mag at www.cu-amiga.co.uk, or maybe Amazing Amiga Mag at www.pimpub.com. Had enough yet? I have more. :) There is to be a new machine and all new OS that will run platform independant, we're told anyway. troy _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Sun, 7 Jun 1998 00:31:43 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2683 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio 16 GuestList Subject: RE: [TA] Metaphors in Musicware - A/V Compliant Applications Date: Sun, 7 Jun 98 07:31:00 Message-ID: <000b01bd91dd$efef9de0$4fe5fcce@computername> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id GAA12593for ; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 06:31:30 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA25085for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 08:33:16 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: fc14113589881c0d5803b376bb5b0ebb FORWARD from Team AMIGA - Dave Haynie replies to greenboy: >In past discourse it was agreed there was a pressing need for multiple >midi-ports. This would probably best be implemented via a common library >working in conjunction with vendor-supplied drivers. Exactly. The port interface itself, whether you're talking a variation of serial.device, or something slightly more cooked, should be kept as simple as possible. The intelligence for MIDI protocols lives above that, maybe as a library, or perhaps in a higher device layer. One of the things I would like to see in the new AmigaOS is subclassable libraries and devices, at least logically. So if they provide a system standard device for "cooked" MIDI (which, via the OS, handles all the critical protocol and timing issues for you), you would make your new MIDI device as a subclass of this one, filling in just the routines that are different. Another very simple but important concept is that, when you have lots of ports for something, the user needs to be able to find them. The original Amiga had very good device abstraction throughout most of the system, but little notion this would ever be used. So, for example, when Zorro cards with serial ports on them arrived, there were all kinds of horrible kludges to let most terminal programs select the specific serial device it wanted. Even when terminal programs learned to use multiple ports, they each did it very differently. To do this right, each device in the system needs to be classed -- whether it's the formal class tree I imply above, or something looser, doesn't strictly matter here. My MIDI sequencer should be able to call up a standard system requester (in GadTools or some BOOPSI+ thing) and ask for "list of MIDI devices", or "list of MIDI OUT devices". >(1) a standard for audio plug-ins. Funny, I was just yammering on about this in my last message. We seem to think alike -- this is good. >(3) a patchbay module that stores "studio profiles" of midi-channels, >gear names, and the specific routing of all interfaced gear, and then >publishes to A/V-compliant applications. Each application then has >access to the profiles via standard hooks. This helps to organize a >setup, allows intuitive use, and minimizes redundant data entry. I actually look upon this as a "high level" MIDI device; basically, a superset or superclass of the basic MIDI port. If implemented this way, I could ask for "list of all MIDI devices" and see things (assuming I put all my PC audio hardware on the new Amiga) like "MTPII port 0|MTPII port 1|DrumKAT|AudioPCI port|JV-880|Quadraverb", etc. If I asked for "list of all MIDI instruments", let's say, I just get the high level stuff -- "DrumKAT|JV-880|Quadraverb", etc. Any old MIDI program could hit any of the devices in "raw" (eg, it's just an old serial port" or "cooked" (eg, it's handling MIDI protocol for me) mode. A program that knows about the higher level model could pop up control panels for you, hook into standard functions, if present (like effects, etc), perhaps understand that the JV-880 is a synthesizer and the Quadraverb is an effects box, etc. >(4) a protocol that supports alternates control surfaces, to integrate >expressive gestures and snapshot/dynamic automation. Oh yeah, that's another big one no one's doing very well on computer yet (ok, some dedicated systems). Especially with things like USB coming along, where you don't really compromise your system by adding crazy amounts of human interface devices, these things will happen. >Discuss? - Or should I assume we all believe the current metaphors in >Amiga musicware will suit the needs of the next millennium via emulation? The existing software was ok for what computers could do a long time ago. It needs to take the lead now. In fact, this could be way more critical than most Amiga people, fans and managers alike, might think, simply because the music industry is much less married to any particular platform than, say, the office automation industry. If music is done much better on the Amiga than on the PC or Mac, people will use it. Most of the time, music has unfortunately had to sit way back in the queue, while video and games get the attention. Hopefully things can be done right this time around. ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From doncox@enterprise.net Sun, 07 Jun 1998 11:08:35 +0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2680 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2684 (database) From: Don Cox To: studio16@thule.no, Studio 16 GuestList Subject: Re: Metaphors in Musicware - A/V Compliant Applications Date: Sun, 7 Jun 98 12:08:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id KAA14970for ; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 10:11:30 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA28354for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 12:11:47 +0200 To: studio16@thule.no, Studio 16 GuestList ,Team AMIGA X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 812073c4b51aea8865c7dd9962a631ce Hello greenboy On 06-Jun-98, greenboy wrote: > Hello all! We need to determine what should be in place at the system > level for the next generation of Amiga audio. The approach should be > ambitious - the hardware will be there to provide for an imaginative > foray into both audio and video communication. This deserves a considered reply later, but my immediate reaction is that the core requirement, which we can reasonably demand from AI, is for an accurate central timing system so that all kinds of audio and video events (in multitasking software) can be correctly synchronised. System-wide SMPTE timecode, plus calendar plus video beam position, so that any software routine can know exactly what the time is down to about 1/15000 second. The time can be updated from an atomic clock over the internet. Obvious complications are time zones and PAL/NTSC, drop frame, etc., but the core need is for sync. You should be able to edit MIDI, samples, and video all at once, perfectly locked together. I don't see AI themselves having the resources to write loads of file format filters, at least not until they have sold several million new Amigas. Same for drivers for cards. These will have to be done by specialists. Regards -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From doncox@enterprise.net Sun, 07 Jun 1998 11:19:39 +0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2680 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2685 (database) From: Don Cox To: studio16@thule.no, Studio 16 GuestList Subject: Re: Metaphors in Musicware - A/V Compliant Applications Date: Sun, 7 Jun 98 12:19:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id KAA15124for ; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 10:22:04 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA28568for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 12:22:58 +0200 To: studio16@thule.no, Studio 16 GuestList ,Team AMIGA X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 7b279c7cd197c72faf69468230c52bb7 Hello greenboy On 06-Jun-98, greenboy wrote: > > http://www.peavey.com/division/mi/keyboards/MIDIcontrollers/pc1600x.html > > -- for an example of a dirt-cheap effective way to control lights, > editors, synths, samplers, drum-machines, mixers-on-a-card, non-linear > audio/video, etc. (Similarly, hardware-based audio/video gear should be > easily included as part of the environment.) This looks like a really good device. Thanks for the info. We may need to shout "MIDI" in Allan Havemose's ear quite loudly. Seriously, a considered proposal from several peole on this list would be influential, I believe. It needs to be clear and brief, with numbered points. Regards -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Sun, 7 Jun 1998 11:57:43 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2684 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2687 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: RE: Metaphors in Musicware - A/V Compliant Applications Date: Sun, 7 Jun 98 18:57:00 Message-ID: <000101bd923d$c50bff00$5be5fcce@computername> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA22557for ; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 17:59:37 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA02964for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 20:01:08 +0200 To: , "Team AMIGA" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 014713efa4a6a5db93e53cb91afda3c3 Don Cox wrote: >the core requirement, which we can reasonably demand from AI, is >for an accurate central timing system so that all kinds of audio and >video events (in multitasking software) can be correctly synchronised. If this can't be done all else is moot. More than just synchronization, midi events - before they hit a port - need to have rock-solid latency. Variable latency screws up the feel of music, and allows for poor queuing into midi's serial steam. It is bad enough that some instruments out there flam when any polyphony demands are made, and do it with wide variability! >System-wide SMPTE timecode, plus calendar plus video beam position, so >that any software routine can know exactly what the time is down to >about 1/15000 second. Sounds nice. It needs to be designed to sit in well with breakout boxes and external industry gear that provides synch, and word clock. Use of these boxes will be the quickest, cheapest way to industry acceptance. >Obvious complications are time zones and PAL/NTSC, drop frame, etc., >but the core need is for sync. I would think that PAL/NTSC concerns, as well as HDTV would be in the domain of the graphics cards/subsystem. Should be a given?... >You should be able to edit MIDI, samples, and video all at once, >perfectly locked together. If "Mitchie" is as powerful as has been indicated, all these datastreams should easily be manipulatable in real-time. Now _that_ is exciting! When interface design, and use of alternate control surfaces starts to facilitate this, the New AMIGA will have real leverage! >I don't see AI themselves having the resources to write loads of file >format filters, at least not until they have sold several million new >Amigas. Same for drivers for cards. These will have to be done by >specialists. AmigaInc needs to see that proper datatypes are included for common audio standards (sample formats, midi files/sequences) _immediately_ upon initial release of 5.0, if not somewhere during the 4.x interim release. This is the only way to inspire confidence in potential users and developers. Card drivers are needed for at least a couple of the high-quality, affordable cards - at the onset. Again: to be taken seriously, we need to demand more excellence than we have been conditioned to expect during the lean years. And this is all realistically achievable. If it can be done elsewhere, it can be done here. We are Amigans, are we not!? 8*) // T e a m -- greenboy --------------------------------------------- \XX/ A M I G A ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From doncox@enterprise.net Sun, 07 Jun 1998 20:13:32 +0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2650 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2688 (database) From: Don Cox To: studio16 Subject: Re: CDDA corrupt files Date: Sun, 7 Jun 98 21:13:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id TAA24033for ; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 19:16:41 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA04696for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 21:17:41 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 6d42c462c536bdd3f9bbe8001fbf472d On 03-Jun-98, Brrr@aol.com wrote: > Rick Giannini (sp?) of Asimware told me to download "Play16.lha" from aminet. > This program will play a multitude of audio file formats thru the Amiga's RCA > audio output jacks. I set up the tooltypes on a copy of Play16 and called it Play16-CDDA. I've been looking at (and listening to) CDDA files transferred directly from CD to Hard Disk with AsimCDFS. With my Yamaha CDR400, the transfer is always at full speed (6x in this case) and AsimCDFS has no setting to transfer at 1x. So far as I can tell, the drive is not doing any error correction in this mode. Some CDs which sound perfect through headphones on this drive give numerous errors when files are transferred. Other CDs transfer perfectly. I have a copy of the new version of Samplitude. With this, you can zoom in to look at these files in detail. The clicks are individual sample values which are apparently random numbers. So I am looking to see if I can write a program to remove them. I can only code in ARexx, but if the method works perhaps someone can redo it in assembler. FFT is not the right method for removing this kind of noise, as it has no defined frequency. You need to detect single anomalous values. Regards -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From kenny@bgnett.no 08 Jun 98 04:50:36 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2680 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2691 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: greenboy Subject: Re: Metaphors in Musicware - A/V Compliant Applications Date: Mon, 8 Jun 98 04:50:00 Message-ID: <1175.463T1838T2903851@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id DAA02790for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 03:19:51 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA16433for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 05:19:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: d9b87b58d98c07285649922d5eec9a3f greenboy wrote: >Hello all! Hi greenboy, thanks for excellent approach! >of use. The user should be offered intelligent defaults as well as total >configurability. Agreed and fully achievable with modular based integration, standard and extendable API. Lets get an overview what you professionals need and wants and then lets start to create a suggestion on definiton of an API. >(2) system-level support for SMPTE, MIDI timecode, MIDI Machine Control, >and Word Clock protocols. This is desirable because Audio/Video-aware >applications can then share access to sync, and establish the necessary >master/slave hierarchy existing tools depend on. This can be dynamic. Interresting, I was thinking of something similar the other day. The system should support some standard syncs (SMPTE/MIDI) and in addition have a modular based custom callhook for sync. >http://www.peavey.com/division/mi/keyboards/MIDIcontrollers/pc1600x.html Nice! Well, I would like to join in the discussion, but at this level I don't think I have much to contribute with as I have very little experience with what need there might be. Count me in when API is on the the menu :-) re, - Kenny ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Sun, 7 Jun 1998 21:42:10 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2689 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2693 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio 16 GuestList Subject: RE: [TA] Re: Metaphors in Musicware - A/V Compliant Applications Date: Mon, 8 Jun 98 04:42:00 Message-ID: <000601bd928f$6ab88c60$5be5fcce@computername> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id DAA03066for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 03:43:26 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA17206for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 05:45:39 +0200 To: "Studio 16 GuestList" , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: d65657b1e7870d5503494d9278dd5a53 >>If I'm misunderstanding your comment, feel free to give me a virtual >>kick in the chair-shaper ;-) >You are indeed misunderstanding --snippage-- Are you soothed? ;-) I've been keisterized. Thanks, Don. >(Of course, when you want some software enough that nobody will write >for you, you will start coding. All it needs is lots of motivation.) Or one can do as Haynie and I have done - look for solutions elsewhere. Because those solutions are available. If one can get beyond old habits and prejudices those solutions are actually quite impressive and satisfying. Which is not to say that either of us would not prefer to be doing the tasks on a better OS. That is an obstacle for both the user and the developer; dealing with a bad OS. >my point that they [AI] are more likely to listen to those with cred in >the computer field stands: [] we have to put our requests in language >Allan understands, or present them as a problem that can be solved. I've already quantified OS audio needs in a seven point list. Brevity and order with the proper jargon. But I am not convinced that all data is in yet. Thanks Joanne, Dave, Don, Kenny, and others who have posted so far. >>Who better than a musician and dreamer to help developers understand >>what they need to do for musicians/producers/engineers? >By dreamers, I really had in mind wannabe types, not professionals. My experience is that established professionals can be just as closed- minded as anybody else. Head in the sky, feet on the ground - that's useful regardless of title or experience. // T e a m -- greenboy --------------------------------------------- \XX/ A M I G A ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Sun, 7 Jun 1998 22:56:52 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2695 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio 16 GuestList Subject: RE: [TA] Metaphors in Musicware - A/V Compliant Applications Date: Mon, 8 Jun 98 05:56:01 Message-ID: <000701bd9299$da507740$5be5fcce@computername> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id EAA03917for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 04:56:49 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA18370for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 06:58:58 +0200 To: "Studio 16 GuestList" , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 64eaf63a677864fe00bfd74ffd42efa7 Joanne Dow : >Greenboy started a thread about new audio performance issues: >That is to say there should be MIDI ports that have their own >interrupts and drivers that include proper timestamps to within 1mS >worst case. These should be fully capable of detecting full MIDI >messages and dispatching the contents to a MIDI subscriber list. Exactly. The midiports should be capable of hanging off of any appropriate port or the PCI buss, and the OS should handle all routing. All modules/applications are written with this model in mind. This allows programmers to concentrate on their program's quality/features, and users to worry not a whit about software compatibility. >But their [BeBox] MIDI driver last we looked had some fatal problems >when you use sysex messages. It is in that state merely hobbiest grade. >We can do better. {^_-}) Ouch! I would think they would have done better. Sysex has often solved sequencing problems with older gear; it's simply necessary for editor/ librarians. Some mixing gear depends on sysex as well. A must. >One of the new theater and venue protocols uses 100MHz ethernet to >distribute live audio and control messages. I want fiber optics. Ever check into Lone Wolf Technologies? Seriously expensive and expansive. Slow serial midi can do big jobs, as long as it is done over multiple ports attached to a much faster buss. But the Sample Dump Standard makes obvious its shortcomings: s l o w . . . >Basic audio should exist in the system and it should be reasonably >good 16 bit quality with low distortion. However for anything more plug >in cards will serve better. That is one I could see going either way - but the cards are so cheap and capable right now, I would hate to see time wasted on software capabilities via Mitchie that are less than cards currently possess. I guess I would make sure every system has plenty of slots and that a good card always ships with each one. Save Mitchie for the big stuff! >Hence there needs to be some form of API for accessing cards. A >specific Audio Card API should be approached cautiously at present. >There are too many variables to consider and there will be more as the >size of the the componentry reduces. Being a dumb farmboy, I don't quite see what you mean ;) But for even hi-tech musicians/studios, dedicated rack-mount hardware will probably continue to be desirable, so form-factor is not an issue, and a noisy electronic environment is not such a problem. >SMPTE timecode support built into the machine is probably prohibitively >expensive. However, machine support for "diddling" an internal timecode >timer to synchronize with commands via its software interface is likely >a good thing. I don't know that it is. SPMTE is just an audio output with a little bit of processor behind it, and some I/O. OK, I won't be building a sync box in my garage tonight, but all the stuff should be there in any beige box of the day. All moot though; current breakout boxes can handle it all economically if time is of the essence... // T e a m -- greenboy --------------------------------------------- \XX/ A M I G A ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Sun, 7 Jun 1998 23:50:04 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2697 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio 16 GuestList Subject: FW: Re: [TA] Key Markets Date: Mon, 8 Jun 98 06:50:00 Message-ID: <000901bd92a1$48d43a60$5be5fcce@computername> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id FAA04583for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 05:49:19 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA19145for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 07:51:39 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 173a0a29e8a5d98133a88a85b8f9e74d Beautiful Dave, beautiful! Just hearing you tell it makes me recall a couple of bittersuite stories about roadtrips during the first incarnation, and the several revivals that never got off the ground! There was a lot of hoopla, but no paying audience ever saw a performance. I'm sending your little reminisces on to friends who might appreciate them... // T e a m -- greenboy --------------------------------------------- \XX/ A M I G A -----Original Message Forwarded----- From: owner-teamamiga@thule.no [mailto:owner-teamamiga@thule.no] On Behalf Of Dave Haynie On Sun, 7 Jun greenboy jammed all night, and by sunrise was overheard remarking: > Dave Morgan wrote: >>This was one of the few markets that the Amiga couldn't wrestle away >>from the Atari ST, they were the industry standard music computer for >>years. >There was no wrestling going on. "The Chickenlips" never even showed at >the stadium. They did arrive, but they didn't play the stadium, mostly small to middle sized clubs. I remember once, the audience for one show was so slow, I had a table up real close, a nice pint of Guinness by my side, and the music was so sweet... >(The Chickenlips was holed up somewhere watching TV with the captioning >turned on, and counting his payoff loot.) Well, true. See, they had this day job in TV -- production, I think, on some sci-fi or game show or something. I didn't watch TV much in those days. The band was definitely an after hours gig, but they might have been taken more seriously if they didn't have to charge those TV-industry ticket prices everytime you wanted pro-quality sound. >DosMan PeeCee made occasional appearances in the ring, but until >recently a tittering could be heard every time he bent over. Crap yeah. Even the Chickenlips were a lower-priced ticket, and they were playin' things in '89 or so that DosMan PeeCee didn't really think about until '94 or '95. But once he got the groove, he was all over the place, with really cheap tickets. And by then, the Chickenlips were only playing these weird revival tours, like the Culture Club/Human League/ Howard Jones thing this summer, or worse yet, one of those "drummers, bass players, and roadies from three 60s bands you almost recall" things. But I digress... >>As Dave pointed out, If the new Amiga came with MIDI as standard -- >Soundcard midi (internal GeneralMidi synth/sampler) can be had for $50- >$100 and typically has 32 or more single oscillator synth voices, >can sample in good 16-bit quality, includes a midiport that only needs >an adapter (often supplied) to do _external_ midi as well. And at the semi-pro level, the market's going nuts with lots of different 20 and 24 bit boxes, 8 in/out audio plus sync, digital, etc. It's all driven by so many folks using ISA, then PCI -- in fact, much of the PCI stuff is also on the Mac. My first (and practically only) non-work use of the PClones has been for music, because I needed way more hardware than I could afford, get supported, or even get on the Amiga, and I simply didn't have time to design it all myself. All of this stuff, however, can work in the PIOS One, and could certainly be driven by AmigaOS or BeOS some day. No bridges burnt, "things can only get better", as ole Howard might say. >The performance is much better than classic Amiga sound. The performance is getting scary-good. See, while the Soundblaster dominated the low end, MIDI was there, and Windows gradually enabled device-independent sound. So SoundBlaster, which had crappy sound (but in today's high-end versions approaches "ok", even "decent" if you use an external DAC), began to not matter. Lots of music companies notices how many sound cards were sold, versus synthesizers. And that the damn fools buying these PCs were settling for sound that wouldn't sell in a $250 MIDI box. Some PC sound card companies also noticed this. So over time, most of the actual music companies making real synthesizers for the semi-pro and pro markets got into the sound card business. Roland was one of the first (and, back when PCs were really too slow for MIDI, they established the MPU-401 standard for MIDI ports, which used a special ACIA with large input buffer to make up for the interrupt latency problems -- something like 64 bytes of FIFO, versus the Amiga's one). Today you have Yamaha (also responsible for the FM synth on the crappy Soundblasters), EMU (acquired some years ago by the Creative Labs, the SoundBlaster people), Kurzweil, Ensoniq (also recently acquired, at least in part, by CL), various others. The Yamaha DB50XG MIDI card, based on the guys of one of their modestly prices XG synths, is actually better sounding than my (farily cheap) Yamaha keyboard, though not quite in the league of my Roland synth, but with more voices. These cost around $100 these days. Competition is a very good thing for such markets. >>There are thousands of hard-up musicians out there that can't afford >>ŁŁ$$ŁŁ for a clone plus instuments. I know because I'm one of them. >Clones are really cheap to do midi on nowdays. Shit yeah. Just about any PC clone you buy these days, even the under $ 1000 kind, will do a halfway decent MIDI with 16 channels/32 voices. Many will do more. They probably come with some basic but very usable sequencing software, like one of the cheaper Cakewalk spins. You can add a $20 cable to use the one built-in MIDI port. You'll pay a bit to add more MIDI ports, quite a bit to add an 8x8 box like I have, but that's the volume thing kicking in again -- after a certain level, it's not "PC music hardware", it's "pro music hardware that happens to hook to a PC". In fact, my 8x8 MIDI port hooks to a Mac easier than a PC, and with no computer at all it can do all kinds of routing functions from the front panel. One aim in doing the PIOS One was to make a much better out-of-the box music system than your average PC. And it's there, but primarily by using techology developed for the volume PC market -- but just some of the good stuff, and in ways PC folks won't think of. -- Dave Haynie | V.P. Technology, PIOS Computer | http://www.pios.de Be Dev #2024 | DMX2000 Powered! | Amiga 2000, 3000, 4000, PIOS One Buy my house! Take the tour at http://www.jersey.net/~dhaynie ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:49:07 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2700 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio 16 GuestList Subject: RE: [TA] Metaphors in Musicware - A/V Compliant Applications Date: Mon, 8 Jun 98 18:49:00 Message-ID: <000101bd9305$bc3ee540$55e5fcce@computername> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA23993for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:54:37 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA29634for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:51:14 +0200 To: "Studio 16 GuestList" , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 145d04c7db27320212439394e23d93ce Anthony Mercer: >OK, there's been some great points in this thread, but I think you're >all getting away from the core standards of what the basic NG Amiga >should have. The basic's should be covered before you talk about MIDI >and SMPTE time problems etc. My intention when starting (and later restarting) this topic was to discuss what support needs to be in the O.S. for midi. Intelligent design for system-level midi is of upmost importance - it is the framework that will make an especially good applications solution, in the long run. MIDI and SMPTE time accuracy _is_ at the basic level of issues for the OS. Without this, midi and pro-audio will not deserve a chance on the new Amiga. Midi accuracy was a big contributor to the classic Amiga's failure as a widely-used midi platform. >Input is OK at 16 bit stereo, Output should always be 24bit stereo, >number of playing channels shouldn't be an issue. 24-bit in both directions is where the professional audio world is going to lay the keystone. Again, driver support for cards and externals is the issue. The owner of the machine will make the purchase decisions on how many channels, what sampling-rates, what I/O, and what DAC/ADC is appropriate. Good system design allows these options, and future expansion of standards that come from the outside world. Let us not make the mistake of marrying the approach to internal base-machine features. >The standard system should only need stereo Input and output, however >additional I/O should be quick, easy and cheap to add. Optical IO would >be nice too though. The OS support for audio should not be married to any particular hardware decisions - that's my read. Remember, the hardware is going to be coming from different vendors and bundlers. We just want to get the OS support for A/V-compliance so that it is extensible and clean. >Surround sound as standard, it's not brilliant but it is always a >selling point. Actually, surround sound is more than a selling point. It is necessary as the pro industry gears up to do more and more of it. Specific tools to mix surround are easy to come by as long as the OS handles timing and nonlinear multitracking with precision. >Just standard MIDI in/out/thru ports, I know we need better, but the >average home studio user will only use a couple of keyboards with a >set-up that can churn out 24bit sampled audio. Any $50-100 soundcard supplies midi. I don't know how much Mitchie, the Magical Mystery Chip, is going to be set-up to do in terms of basic sample/synthesis for basic non-music apps. But average consumers' only familiarity with built-in 5-pin DIN connectors these days is nil. On the Mac and Wintel boxes anyway. And many amateur musicians never get to the point that they are aware of their soundcard's external capabilities - just as many Amigans have never looked past mods. >Everybody may have other views, but I think the XG standard should be >included, maybe striking a deal with Yamaha to get the latest before >anybody else would be a big bonus. XG is now pretty much an industry >standard and a very good one IMO. It's also very cheap and easy to >include. No need for the OS to tie itself to any one manufacter's XG or GM variant. As the soundcard industry evolves, so shall we. This is a purchase decision, not an OS issue. Good foresight when considering what may be asked of drivers is what we need to consider. >I want control of everything real-time, no delay, no glitches. While >audio is playing the system should be capable of all effects, >compression, surround sound placement, recording and mixing without any >noticable hit on the system. When it comes to professional use all this >should be possible pre and post recording, with everything changeable >in realtime. One hopes. DSP support for effects plug-ins that operate in real time, of course. No matter how much Mitchie can carry, I'm sure we'll be asking for more. >These sort of discussions often run away with everybody's dreams, >completely forgetting about what a basic set-up should have, remember >the NG Amiga needs to be fairly cheap too. Professional add-ons like >multiple IO and MIDI ports are only useful to the select few. The basic machine that people buy is only a point of departure. Some will take it here, some will take it there, with peripherals, cards, software. We just want to make sure that the OS is capable of going to these places without the gnarly consequences of poor planning. The price of this entry-level box is up to the vendors. >Just has a note, I have used the Amiga's 8bit audio in many commercial >releases, the ability to use 8bit or even 4bit audio is actually >desirable to us mad producers. 8bit audio often gives me that gritty >sound giving break beats a far more interesting sound than a clean >16bit sample. There are plug-ins by the hundreds on the Mac and Wintel. Some do this. >The point here is that with a good system everything should be >possible, never overlook old techniques in audio, they are used far >more in music than any other field. I believe this is true of all the arts. In this age more than others. The accumulation of tools, techniques, storage, and media, makes it possible to examine, then replicate or synthesize or put a spin, on past styles of presentation. Here's to variety! >That's my two pence :-) , I shoudn't really be sat here writing this >'cause have got piles of work to do, but the Amiga's audio will pay a >big part in my decision to buy the NG Amiga, helping in defining this >would be a reallt bonus. Thanks for going there, Anthony. Hopefully it will work out for all of us! // T e a m -- greenboy --------------------------------------------- \XX/ A M I G A ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From kenny@bgnett.no 09 Jun 98 15:26:27 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2706 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: All Subject: SuperModel 1.22 update Date: Tue, 9 Jun 98 15:26:00 Message-ID: <319.464T1396T9263057@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id PAA13143for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:13:20 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA16860for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 17:13:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: e22b3eced7434ded8d9db15d33ab5359 I have uploaded a small update to SuperModel. The new update also patches the Studio 16 filerequester so it uses asl here too (uses ASL for info and question requesters). Version 1.22 should be available from Aminet tomorrow at this link: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/util/misc/SuperModel.lha re, - Kenny ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From kenny@bgnett.no 09 Jun 98 17:02:16 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2707 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: All Subject: SURVEY Date: Tue, 9 Jun 98 17:02:00 Message-ID: <550.464T833T10222394@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id PAA13147for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:13:26 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA16865for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 17:13:16 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 809355ef214eb209d855a29a8ca91443 I have created a small survey I was hoping the citizens on this list will take the time to answer. Basically the result of the survey will determine future development of Studio 16 add-on's from my part. You will be anonymous by default answering this survey. The address for it is: http://www.bgnett.no/~kenny/survey.html The survey will run until 15. of July this year. I will put out a reminder every second week (if I remember.. :^). It's important that you report to me if the form doesn't work with your browser. Thank you. - Kenny ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:50:25 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2708 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio 16 GuestList Subject: RE: [TA] Metaphors in Musicware - A/V Compliant Applications Date: Tue, 9 Jun 98 17:50:00 Message-ID: <000301bd93c6$b332cae0$5ae5fcce@computername> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id QAA16255for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:51:18 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA19503for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 18:53:10 +0200 To: "Studio 16 GuestList" , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 2f5b83809e5ae21d46a3cc9d445345eb Anthony Mercer: >>The OS support for audio should not be married to any particular >>hardware decisions - that's my read. Remember, the hardware is going >>to be coming from different vendors and bundlers. We just want to get >>the OS support for A/V-compliance so that it is extensible and clean. >From what I recall the Amiga technology is going to be custom chip >oriented again, that's why I'm raising the points of what audio >hardware requirement should be as standard. Yeah, the Mitchie thing can get a bit confusing: what is actually going to be on that chip? Mitchie is custom, but its programmability allows it to emulate "standard"?... Anyway, PCI will be there. So I could go either way, on where the basic audio for non-music apps is coming from. >>familiarity with built-in 5-pin DIN connectors these days is nil. On >>the Mac and Wintel boxes anyway. And many amateur musicians never get >>to the point that they are aware of their soundcard's external >>capabilities - just as many Amigans have never looked past mods. >I disagree, a 5pin connection will still be a real bonus, That would be real estate for not one, but a minimum of 2 (3 is better) physical midi ports. But that isn't an OS support issue either. We'll be bugging individual Powered-by-Amiga vendors for that. I'd just as soon see the whole works (midiports & ground-level audio) supplied by a PCI soundcard - so as to speed development which in turn should keep costs down, and leave more headroom to Mitchie for doing the Wild Thing! (But that's me, and not my decision.) >>No need for the OS to tie itself to any one manufacter's XG or GM >>variant. As the soundcard industry evolves, so shall we. This is a >>purchase decision, not an OS issue. Good foresight when considering >what may be asked of drivers is what we need to consider. >Again, true they shoudn't have to use just the XG compliant hardware, >but a standardised mapping system must be used, I think XG gives that, >XG as been designed with potential for great expandability, I think >this will be the future standard. Probably so, I agree. I just don't see what it has to do with OS issues. Unless I am mistaken, that stuff would be taken care of by individual app modules. The whole thing I am trying to get at: a modern system should have an OS that any A/V-compliant module can sit in, and share information via the OS with all other modules. The OS would handle all routing and priorities, and master-slave relationships. All port-sharing issues of the past would be gone, programs would all work with each other in real-time, and programmers would not have to keep inventing their own versions of the wheel. It would be possible to get new app-modules to market very quickly! >Yes, timing is of major importance for a Multimedia computer, the point >I'm making is that people want a multimedia computer that can do the >basic's of all A/V out of the box. Agree. But it doesn't need to be closed-endian - that's why Audio and Video need consideration in OS design. Nothing I've said in this topic that I am aware of goes against having all of the hardware basics in the box. I just want the vendors to not have it dictated to them by the OS how they choose to do that. That gives more options in the future. I'm trying to say that the OS should make your way, my way, other people's ways - all available. And let the vendors do their bundling based on market needs. The cheap machines can be really cheap, but still totally expandable (cheap PC boxes are probably cheaper to get now than service-heavy, warpable plastic a500/1200 style, overheating, wall-wart infested octopus farms [I've expanded A500/1200 for clients]). >It seems you are an hardcore MIDI user, but everybody's needs are >different. I personally only need to connect my control keyboard, CZ >and sound module to it, all my other needs should be covered by the >computer (HD recording, Sample manipulations etc.), IMO this needs far >more attention than MIDI. I mean, I don't have any problems with my >Music-X set-up churning out MIDI data. Good OS design - and box design that can use standard components - can meet everybody's needs cheaper. The OS means fewer poorly-worked kludges later; the standard box design means economy-of-scale manufacturing and less board-level redesign just to fit different casings. And dealers won't be fiddling with all the problems that A500/1200 designs cause, like chips unseating and overheating. >I thought the MIDI standard would have been upgraded by now, the timing >problems are associated with the slow MIDI standard far more than the >computers side. The amendable Midi 1.x spec is here to stay unless everybody wants MASSIVE hardware reinvestment. Things can be added to the spec but the 31.25K serial stays the same. Certain models of midi equipment have slow processors onboard that makes the instrument(s) slow and variable in their response to polyphony demands and Continuous Controller use. >It doesn't matter how good the computer can process MIDI, the resulting >data sent in and out still isn't moving fast enough, and the MIDI >equipment start can't handle it properly. Timestamping, latency and queuing in the computer affects midi playback and recording very audibly. Some sequencer software evolution has been specifically approached to tighten up timing issues. (BTW, Amiga clocks- per-beat have always been a step or five behind the Mac. I've seen studies on timing that suggest that 480 or 960 [versus 192] actually helps on a fast multi-port setup). The other key to expanding midi to enjoy more accurate timing is to use multiple midiports (even if you *don't* need more than 16 channels!) and dedicate ports to gear that typically recieve heavy streams of data. That way the gear is "reading" only data intended for it, and whatever comparatively fast bus feeding the multiport box is being used, can send near-simultaneous streams to each physical midiport. Professionals who are doing lots of percussion, or doubling, or synching with digital audio or live orchestras appreciate this. No more flamming, flanging, phasing. And moving tracks a millisecond or two, forward or back for feel, can actually be felt. Repeatably. // T e a m -- greenboy --------------------------------------------- \XX/ A M I G A ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:43:33 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2709 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio 16 GuestList Subject: FW: [TA] Scripting language was:Metaphors in Musicware Date: Tue, 9 Jun 98 18:43:00 Message-ID: <000501bd93ce$1f2f9500$5ae5fcce@computername> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA18120for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 17:42:57 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA21026for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:45:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: c5da8e5721518af6e598ecfffdc100ef Whew! This is getting out of hand, the topic splits off, at least the way I see it, as the scripting language thing isn't specific to a proper implemantation of an A/V subset of the OS. How about Carl's Sassenrath's REBOL? That should be a big part of Amiga language discussion: http://www.rebol.com/ . He should have an Amiga viewpoint if anybody does. // T e a m -- greenboy --------------------------------------------- \XX/ A M I G A ===========Original Message, Forwarded=========== From: owner-teamamiga@thule.no On Behalf Of Olaf Barthel [olsen@sourcery.han.de] ================================================= On Jun 09 Kenny (Kenny Nilsen) wrote: >>to use Java as a standard scripting language on the NG Amiga. Arexx is >>good but I think it's had it's day. > >Arexx is still quite powerful and modular. There are quite many programs >using arexx and arexx is one of the few standards on the Amiga. Arexx should >rather get system support to interface to GUI functions (ie. gadtools and >intuition). Java is more like C++ type of programs and should rather be a >concern of third parties IMHO. In theory, ARexx should be that good, but the actual implementation is not that perfect. It's somewhat inefficient; while it may run adequately on a plain 68k system it's surprising to see that it does not gain as much performance running on a 020+ system as it should. And ARexx isn't portable either... -- Home: Olaf Barthel, Brabeckstrasse 35, D-30559 Hannover Net: olsen@sourcery.han.de ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From rotoole@norex.com.au Mon, 08 Jun 1998 21:09:35 +1000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2711 (database) From: jessey To: studio16 Subject: AD516 repair Date: Mon, 8 Jun 98 12:09:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id OAA23182for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 14:01:54 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA00440for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:41:18 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: e1ca45c429a4391c4e421a534f7eb5b0 Greetings, I've just joined this mailing list and sent one previous message, but have recieved / observed no response. Which leads me to think that no-one got it. I've been using my AD516 for about 5 yrs and though long in the tooth, it has served me well. My problem is that it ceased to work and I need to find some one who services Sunrise hardware. Any help greatly appreciated PS I have worked in Pro Audio for 15yrs and follow with great interest your discussions about the new Amiga OS. . Jessey ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From beachler@iastate.edu Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:40:40 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2711 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2712 (database) From: Rich Beachler To: studio16 Subject: Re: AD516 repair Date: Wed, 10 Jun 98 15:40:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id OAA24056for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 14:36:04 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA02463for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:16:15 +0200 X-Sender: beachler@pop-2.iastate.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 8b8cfdfa4372e98bf79b531b1fbdb68d Hello, >I've just joined this mailing list and sent one previous message, but have >recieved / observed no response. Which leads me to think that no-one got it. > >I've been using my AD516 for about 5 yrs and though long in the tooth, it >has served me well. >My problem is that it ceased to work and I need to find some one who >services Sunrise hardware. > >Any help greatly appreciated I don't know if these guys can help, but they sell used AD516s >We repair/upgrade all Amiga motherboards, CBM accelerator cards. >Hal, HardDrivers Co., 407-636-3393, noon-2 am Eastern (fax anytime) >greenl@iu.net They at least have a working card to compare it to. Good Luck Rich Beachler beachler@iastate.edu ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From baff@stc.net Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:17:59 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2671 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2713 (database) From: Brian Fields To: Kenny Nilsen Subject: Re: Metaphors in Musicware Date: Wed, 10 Jun 98 05:17:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id OAA24131for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 14:40:09 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA02714for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:20:33 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 06670e533926f1ca021745a8902d8707 Greetings Paula, >The relevance to the audio discussion -- I suggest someone design an >breakout box with analog controls going to A/D converters into the Amiga >>Discuss? - Or should I assume we all believe the current metaphors in >>Amiga musicware will suit the needs of the next millennium via emulation? Good point Paula, although something like this could probably be fairly easily done using the joystick port. I wish I had the time/money to devote to all the hardware projects I'd like to plug into this machine. Practical real world I/O is a subject I've never found to be of great interest in the user group discussions I have been involved in. (AAi Atlanta) This ML is an exception to that somewhat. I am constantly reminded in this discussion about the "dream platform" of how many of the things that folks are suggesting would seemingly better be served by hardware rather than software. PCI slots will have to be supported by the next generation of Amigas. Of course hardware is restrictive and software can always more easily be added to. To my mind, there are a pretty definable number of real word I/O options that could easily be incorporated into new hardware add-ons. The flexibility of the Amiga OS is superior in my experience to any other OS I've experienced. IMHO, The lagging of AmigaUS over the last few years has still not taken the shine off *that* bouncing ball. I haven't interjected much into the ongoing discussion as I believe that it will be resolved of it's own accord in about eighteen months. . . . . . 16 bit sound, PCI, great speed, Amiga OS, SCSI3, backwared compatibility, and more . . . . >-- >Paula Lieberman >paal@nospamgis.net -- Brian baff@stc.net >** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From Brrr@aol.com Tue, 9 Jun 1998 17:15:48 EDT X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2714 (database) From: Brrr To: studio16 Subject: Update: Delphina Lite digital I/O Date: Tue, 9 Jun 98 22:15:00 Message-ID: <3b59293a.357da605@aol.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (root@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id QAA27717for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:46:59 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA02810for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:21:23 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 7ec3179fe2bfdddc252bba67d799b965 Here's a reply from tech support at the Delphina audio card site, re: digital input on their current audio card...sure sounds familiar! >Subj: Re: Digital yet? >Date: 6/9/98 12:23:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time >From: tsuikki@jt3-305.tky.hut.fi (Teemu Suikki) >Reply-to: tsuikki@lut.fi >To: Brrr@aol.com >>Greetings, >> Here's my bi-monthly inquiry into status of the Delphina Lite digital audio >> I/O subsytem. > >So, how goes it? >Well, we have other hardware products under development now. digital i/o >will be done after that. So probably a few months still.. >-Teemu ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:42:55 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2711 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2716 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: RE: AD516 repair Date: Wed, 10 Jun 98 15:42:01 Message-ID: <000001bd947e$0e22e540$42e5fcce@computername> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (root@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id QAA28417for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:57:51 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA02949for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:23:08 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 77ee80f76f3727648faa5b61c7ae1f42 jessey [rotoole@norex.com.au]: >I've just joined this mailing list and sent one previous message, but >have recieved / observed no response. Which leads me to think that >no-one got it. Hello! I think the server has been down. >I've been using my AD516 for about 5 yrs and though long in the tooth, >it has served me well. My problem is that it ceased to work and I need >to find some one who services Sunrise hardware. That's Australia, right? I'd suggest tracking down dealers in your country. They should be able to aim you at someone relatively local. I can think of one guy from Au that might know. Next time he posts I'll send him your way. I don't know if he's on this m-list but he is on a couple of others I sub to. >I have worked in Pro Audio for 15yrs and follow with great interest >your discussions about the new Amiga OS. I don't know where you came in at, but I am planning to present something to ICOA and JMS once I get some more feedback/ideas. Right now I've got it down to seven points, but that could change if I've overlooked something. Jump in! Good to see ya! // T e a m -- greenboy --------------------------------------------- \XX/ A M I G A ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From baff@stc.net Tue, 09 Jun 1998 18:59:30 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2717 (database) From: Brian Fields To: Paula Lieberman Subject: Re: [TA] Metaphors in Musicware - A/V Compliant Applications Date: Tue, 9 Jun 98 14:59:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (root@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id QAA28474for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:58:55 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA01880for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:06:56 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 8d4f36b9a61f38f9ab8ac48d6daa5abe Greetings Paula, >The relevance to the audio discussion -- I suggest someone design an >breakout box with analog controls going to A/D converters into the Amiga >>Discuss? - Or should I assume we all believe the current metaphors in >>Amiga musicware will suit the needs of the next millennium via emulation? Good point Paula, although something like this could probably be fairly easily done using the joystick port. I wish I had the time/money to devote to all the hardware projects I'd like to plug into this machine. Practical real world I/O is a subject I've never found to be of great interest in the user group discussions I have been involved in. (AAi Atlanta) This ML is an exception to that somewhat. I am constantly reminded in this discussion about the "dream platform" of how many of the things that folks are suggesting would seemingly better be served by hardware rather than software. PCI slots will have to be supported by the next generation of Amigas. Of course hardware is restrictive and software can always more easily be added to. To my mind, there are a pretty definable number of real word I/O options that could easily be incorporated into new hardware add-ons. The flexibility of the Amiga OS is superior in my experience to any other OS I've experienced. IMHO, The lagging of AmigaUS over the last few years has still not taken the shine off *that* bouncing ball. I haven't interjected much into the ongoing discussion as I believe that it will be resolved of it's own accord in about eighteen months. . . . . . 16 bit sound, PCI, great speed, Amiga OS, SCSI3, backwared compatibility, and more . . . . >-- >Paula Lieberman >paal@nospamgis.net -- Brian baff@stc.net >** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From baff@stc.net Tue, 09 Jun 1998 23:21:50 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2718 (database) From: Brian Fields To: Studio 16 GuestList Subject: Re: [TA] Metaphors in Musicware - A/V Compliant Applications Date: Tue, 9 Jun 98 19:21:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (root@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA28942for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 17:08:15 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA01063for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:52:19 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 862d1571472acc4e17bd4c55635af600 Greetings Paula, >The relevance to the audio discussion -- I suggest someone design an >breakout box with analog controls going to A/D converters into the Amiga >>Discuss? - Or should I assume we all believe the current metaphors in >>Amiga musicware will suit the needs of the next millennium via emulation? Good point Paula, although something like this could probably be fairly easily done using the joystick port. I wish I had the time/money to devote to all the hardware projects I'd like to plug into this machine. Practical real world I/O is a subject I've never found to be of great interest in the user group discussions I have been involved in. (AAi Atlanta) This ML is an exception to that somewhat. I am constantly reminded in this discussion about the "dream platform" of how many of the things that folks are suggesting would seemingly better be served by hardware rather than software. PCI slots will have to be supported by the next generation of Amigas. Of course hardware is restrictive and software can always more easily be added to. To my mind, there are a pretty definable number of real word I/O options that could easily be incorporated into new hardware add-ons. The flexibility of the Amiga OS is superior in my experience to any other OS I've experienced. IMHO, The lagging of AmigaUS over the last few years has still not taken the shine off *that* bouncing ball. I haven't interjected much into the ongoing discussion as I believe that it will be resolved of it's own accord in about eighteen months. . . . . . 16 bit sound, PCI, great speed, Amiga OS, SCSI3, backwared compatibility, and more . . . . >-- >Paula Lieberman >paal@nospamgis.net -- Brian baff@stc.net >** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Tue, 9 Jun 1998 22:32:18 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2719 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio 16 GuestList Subject: RE: [TA] Metaphors in Musicware - A/V Compliant Applications Date: Wed, 10 Jun 98 05:32:00 Message-ID: <000201bd9428$c0ace180$56e5fcce@computername> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (root@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA29273for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 17:13:32 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA01072for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:52:38 +0200 To: "Studio 16 GuestList" , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 3c999415648eafd68cad8ff0a239bed5 >>[The mouse should not be a virtual substitute for 199 different >>sliders/knobs/switches/jog-shuttles when doing a job that >>traditionally requires hands-on control. In a time-is-money >>environment it is a stumbling block and it also stifles creative >>experimentation, and more dynamic music.] Paula Lieberman: >I suggest someone design an breakout box with analog controls going to >A/D converters into the Amiga for control of each channel, insted of >using -ugh- the mouse -- knobs exist for controls and hardware sliders >exist for controls because over thousands of years of user interface >experience, they -work-. 16-bit digital audio is sometimes massaged as it approaches the noise floor because dithering somewhat hides resolution artifacts that become obvious to the trained ear at low signal-levels. It is always better to record so as to "hit the top bit" as much as possible - without of course making earvious clip plateaus. (This is not unlike hitting tape hard to stay above the noise floor - but digaudio is much less forgiving when top level is exceeded.) So it is not nice to mess with the levels in the digital domain, especially in delicate passages. On the other hand, once in digital, why convert back to analog (and later back again) once it is in digital? Another trip through DAC/ADC = more distortion. The best solution is to go to higher bits during tracking, mixdown, and mastering. The industry is probably happy with 20- and 24-bits for the time being, with math being done in 32 or higher when processing. (Yamaha has a nifty new digital mixer on a PCI card by the way!) Control surfaces for these types of environments either have to generate high resolution signals over a fast peripherals bus, so as to have good fades - or they can generate more economical data, and once it hits the computer it can be interpreted to represent a higher resolution. Using a midi control surface like the Peavey example I supplied a URL for is entirely possible. The midi data for each slider is normally 7 bits (128 positions), but if the midi spec for least significant byte is invoked, another 7 bits is used, bringing it to 14. Then, the buffered digital audio can be massaged by sensing algorithms that effectively take the "zipper effect" the lower control resolution would normally induce, and smooth it near the noise floor. These type of techniques have been used successfully for a number of years now. Further - they allow a non-proprietary affordable technology to be used, that can also be used for a myriad of other control purposes involving audio or video or external things like stage lighting. (Though the whole show control thing has gone off on some incredible tangents through the years IMNSHO.) >seems like something to me that pought- to have been a no-brainer, >instead of trying to kludge something up on the never=enough-pixels >display monitor real estate! We've already participated in the multi-monitor skirmishes, haven't we? {-; The truth is, for higher-end work, it is desirable to see more at a time (and not cute little icons - actual data and status-indication!) - AND to have hands-on panels. You wouldn't fly a scoutship with a mouse, would you?... The tasks we are talking about are *that* way-- // T e a m -- greenboy --------------------------------------------- \XX/ A M I G A ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From baff@stc.net Wed, 10 Jun 1998 12:15:25 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2712 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2720 (database) From: Brian Fields To: Rich Beachler Subject: Re: AD516 repair Date: Wed, 10 Jun 98 08:15:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA00054for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 17:30:16 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA06091for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:10:18 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 949738323d7686ee481a8a4df6600397 Greetings Rich, >I don't know if these guys can help, but they sell used AD516s >>Hal, HardDrivers Co., 407-636-3393, noon-2 am Eastern (fax anytime) >>greenl@iu.net >They at least have a working card to compare it to. >Rich Beachler >beachler@iastate.edu I can vouch for Hal also. I bought a used A3000 from him and it was/is a very clean solid machine. He used to work at NASA. >** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) -- Brian baff@stc.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From goodidea@aye.net Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:49:50 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2720 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2721 (database) From: Mark Needham To: studio16 Subject: Re: AD516 repair Date: Wed, 10 Jun 98 09:49:01 Message-ID: <19980610134950.A150F88@aye.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA00710for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 17:52:57 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA06519for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:32:36 +0200 Organization: GOOD IDEA! MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Eucalyptus 1.0 (Release 0.2217) (27.4.98) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 8116252f1d93ab27e121815b34eb7c67 On Wed, 10 Jun 1998, said about 'Re: AD516 repair': > Greetings Rich, > > >I don't know if these guys can help, but they sell used AD516s > >>Hal, HardDrivers Co., 407-636-3393, noon-2 am Eastern (fax anytime) > >>greenl@iu.net Ditto, I bought a used 4000 from him, no problems. Mark ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From dhomas@youngmonkey.ca Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:52:15 -0400 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2722 (database) From: dhomas trenn To: studio16 Subject: Triple Play Plus clone?? Where? Date: Wed, 10 Jun 98 20:52:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA03787for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 18:55:08 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA08259for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 20:35:15 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: young monkey studios MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 75b415022ffec1bc582d77f916ff7a5f Does anyone have the website for that company that was making Triple Play Plus clones? I need the info for an article I'm writing. thanks. -- dhomas. ********************************************************************** * * * young monkey studios EMail: dhomas@youngmonkey.ca * * ---------------- WWW: http://www.youngmonkey.ca/ * * dhomas trenn * * Snail: 797 Mitchell Street * * Fredericton, NB * * Phone: (506) 459-7088 CANADA E3B 3S8 * * * ********************************************************************** ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From beachler@iastate.edu Wed, 10 Jun 1998 14:19:23 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2722 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2723 (database) From: Rich Beachler To: studio16 Subject: Re: Triple Play Plus clone?? Where? Date: Wed, 10 Jun 98 20:19:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id TAA04951for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:14:37 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA08925for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 20:54:50 +0200 X-Sender: beachler@pop-2.iastate.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 1722917f20ccf9d1a2c3cb5ab99a08cd Hello Dhomas, >Does anyone have the website for that company that was making Triple >Play Plus clones? I need the info for an article I'm writing. It's: http://www.octave2.ch/octave/fra_ami.htm Rich Beachler beachler@iastate.edu ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From turk@gulftel.com Wed, 10 Jun 1998 16:52:08 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2712 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2724 (database) From: CMM To: studio16 Subject: Re[2]: AD516 repair Date: Wed, 10 Jun 98 23:52:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA14339for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 21:52:55 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA13455for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 23:32:59 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview3 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: CMM MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: f19bdfca65c7a0a9f5dab6a622b95e4e On 10-Jun-98, Rich Beachler wrote: > Hello, > > I don't know if these guys can help, but they sell used AD516s > >> We repair/upgrade all Amiga motherboards, CBM accelerator cards. > >> Hal, HardDrivers Co., 407-636-3393, noon-2 am Eastern (fax anytime) > >> greenl@iu.net > > They at least have a working card to compare it to. > > Good Luck > I don't think they can. A friend of mine contacted them at my suggestion a few months back concerning an AD516 that has something wrong with it. They informed him they couldn't help him. Perhaps something has changed, who knows... ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From 75223.671@compuserve.com Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:01:23 -0400 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2725 (database) From: Steve Kusaba <75223.671@compuserve.com> To: studio16 Subject: Re: Fileformats Date: Thu, 11 Jun 98 00:01:00 Message-ID: <199806101904_MC2-3FD0-173B@compuserve.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id XAA18728for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 23:05:06 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA14865for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 00:45:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: c97bd261a799a22872aaa20bd446c071 Status: O Kenny, <<<<<< I have already created tools to convert CDDA images to Studio 16 format (in the Studio16add.lha package [CDDA2Studio] ), but not directly from CDs though.>>>>>> Hurry up, WE are dying to send you some money! This looks like very promising software! Steve ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From tc_silvey@juno.com Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:06:43 -0400 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2712 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2726 (database) From: troy silvey To: studio16 Subject: Re: AD516 repair Part #2 Date: Wed, 10 Jun 98 18:06:00 Message-ID: <19980610.192628.9694.9.tc_silvey@juno.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id XAA19070for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 23:20:26 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA15167for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 01:00:46 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-14,16,18,20-24 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: c0afe17714d7b8807a378dc0a8db4d81 Status: O >I don't know if these guys can help, but they sell used AD516s > >>We repair/upgrade all Amiga motherboards, CBM accelerator cards. >>Hal, HardDrivers Co., 407-636-3393, noon-2 am Eastern (fax anytime) >>greenl@iu.net Yes Hal Greenlee is a very good amiga service person. I have worked with him before and received parts from him when I repaired some of my own equipment. He once sent me some accel and addon cards he couldn't or didn't want to repair. They now have homes in my equipment :) I do not know if he repairs sunrize cards. I do know that he asked me once if I could repair them. I told him the same...... " I can have a look and probablly do it if parts are available" I then ask what was wrong with his card. He said "Nothing, I just wanted to know if someone was able to repair them if I need it for me or my customers" Not word for word, but you get the ideal. I thought it was an odd conversation at the time. :) But you can check with him and see how his AD repairs are doing. Holler if you still need help and I'll try to fix it for you. (see earlier message if you havn't already) troy _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From tc_silvey@juno.com Wed, 10 Jun 1998 12:56:28 -0400 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2711 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2727 (database) From: troy silvey To: studio16 Subject: Re: AD516 repair Date: Wed, 10 Jun 98 17:56:00 Message-ID: <19980610.192628.9694.8.tc_silvey@juno.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id XAA19092for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 23:20:53 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA15180for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 01:01:15 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-12,14,16-19,21-25,27,29-32 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 00f91d5af80ceb8351e271a826b3aaf1 Status: O >My problem is that it ceased to work and I need to find some one who >services Sunrise hardware. >Any help greatly appreciated Maybe I could help. I think I saw your message the first time, and I suspected some one might have replied with info to help you. I guess no one has. There is no official (or unofficial) repair center for sunrize cards. Have you already tried the normal Amiga repair centers? Maybe one could help. I can send you information on some of them. If you have tried that already and all have turned you away unable to work on them, then I will offer my assist as a last resort. I have repaired most every thing at one time. My repair resume is longer that e-mail will allow :) At one time, repair centers sent their repairs to me. If you sent your C= or amiga in for repair in the south east USA, it may have been repaired by me. If you took your clone pc monitor in for repair in the same area... yup me again. Checks you wrote may have been processed on machines I repaired Sadam may have lost planes and tanks on hellfire missle circuits I helped build, test and repair. I wonder.... anyway...... the list goes on. I have since "retired" from repairs to concentrate on networking and programming, but I occasionally fix equipment for myself and friends. Normally these days it is easier to replace than repair, but some amiga equipment is an exception to me. Like surize of course. If you have no where else to turn, I can take a look and see if it is some thing I can help with. First tell me what is going wrong. Possible we can fix it through e-mail first. troy _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From syncom@mail.datanet.hu Thu, 11 Jun 1998 02:12:31 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2728 (database) From: Zsolt Kovacs To: S16 mailing list Subject: AD516 zero levels Date: Thu, 11 Jun 98 02:12:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id AAA19913for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 00:16:36 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA16493for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 01:56:12 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Syncom MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 9c3bd6de44f6a08ed7282309a2ccb66b Status: O Hi all, amidst the heated theoretical arguments I'd like to suggest a look at a probably important hardware point concerning the AD516 cards, which may affect us all, though some more than others. When comparing the recordings made by several AD516s I found that the zero level (i.e. recording silence) is usually anything but zero. Depending on the card, the recorded data varies from $FF60 to $0140 which is an awful lot of difference. Interestingly, the left and right channels usually also differ strongly. The problem here should be obvious. If the zero levels don't get recorded precisely, every time you start and end the playback of a sample, you get a click. The bigger the difference from zero, the louder it will be. If you work with longer recordings, this problem affects you less, but if you work with a lot of short samples which is usually the case in audio for video, this can hit you bad. As our AD516s get older, I guess we may expect this problem worsening. Is there anyone out there with some firm hw knowledge who may suggest how it might be possible to compensate for this problem? Installing trimmer pots in the signal path somewhere, or something? The result of several experiments is that cards perfom in almost precisely the same way when installed in different Amigas, i.e. $FF80 for example will always stay very close to $FF80, so this problem comes definitely from the AD516s and not from surrounding equipment. Best wishes, Zsolt Kovacs ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From tc_silvey@juno.com Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:37:13 -0400 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2722 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2729 (database) From: troy silvey To: studio16 Subject: Re: Triple Play Plus clone?? Where? Date: Thu, 11 Jun 98 00:37:00 Message-ID: <19980610.222414.9694.11.tc_silvey@juno.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id CAA21756for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 02:18:26 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA19563for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 03:58:17 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,5-12 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: cc5db15026ab0cc80daafd8c6632f499 Status: O >Does anyone have the website for that company that was making Triple >Play Plus clones? I need the info for an article I'm writing. I have the information on my web site. Check the amiga midi links. I can't recall the exact page, you may have to check a couple of the pages. But if you don't see it let me know and I'll resend with the exact page. Here's my site www.geocities.com/SilconValley/Horizon/4753 caps matter here so you may just cut and paste. troy _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From Brrr@aol.com Thu, 11 Jun 1998 00:36:32 EDT X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2730 (database) From: Brrr To: studio16 Subject: Re: AD516 zero levels Date: Thu, 11 Jun 98 05:36:00 Message-ID: <45466f82.357f5ed1@aol.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id EAA24752for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 04:37:42 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA22329for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 06:18:04 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: e389d979e325b37e119247d99d956e3e Status: O In a message dated 6/10/98 8:30:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, syncom@mail.datanet.hu writes: << When comparing the recordings made by several AD516s I found that the zero level (i.e., recording silence) is usually anything but zero. Depending on the card, the recorded data varies from $FF60 to $0140 which is an awful lot of difference. Interestingly, the left and right channels usually also differ strongly. The problem here should be obvious. If the zero levels don't get recorded precisely, every time you start and end the playback of a sample, you get a click. >> Funny you should bring this up, Zsolt...I brought up the gain on my card after experiencing clicks on the left input. Tried different grounding schemes, different mixers as sources, and concluded that as there isn't any noise recorded, I simply will keep the gain on the card at 0 (making sure my mixer does the amplification) , and "scale" in & out points to 0-100%-0. When I disconnect the input to the card, the problem disappears (But so does my program source.) As I look at the waveform, it looks like a so-called 'DC Offset," and I seem to remember somehow, a way to rid that from a signal, perhaps in other software?? Anybody know about this? -Burr Huntington A2000/Flyer A3000/AD516 ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From danv@colba.net Thu, 11 Jun 1998 00:13:59 -0400 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2728 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2731 (database) From: Daniel Vaillancourt To: Zsolt Kovacs Subject: Re: AD516 zero levels Date: Thu, 11 Jun 98 05:13:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (root@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id EAA25857for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 04:54:01 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA22070for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 05:57:08 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Me Myself and I inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id FAA22065 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: e3d6d3e26f69ee0544bc8acf913d2906 Status: O Le 10-Juin-98, Zsolt Kovacs ŕ écrit : > Hi all, > I found that the zero level > (i.e. recording silence) is usually anything but zero. Depending on > the card, the recorded data varies from $FF60 to $0140 which is > an awful lot of difference. Interestingly, the left and right channels > usually also differ strongly. The problem here should be obvious. If > the zero levels don't get recorded precisely, every time you start > and end the playback of a sample, you get a click. I've faced the problem., and to bypass this problem I have made a little program to compensated this offset. If you are interrested by the software, let me know. -- Daniel Vaillancourt Vice-président danv@colba.net Club Amiga du Québec ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From Brrr@aol.com Thu, 11 Jun 1998 01:13:40 EDT X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2732 (database) From: Brrr To: studio16 Subject: Re: AD516 zero levels Date: Thu, 11 Jun 98 06:13:00 Message-ID: <54589905.357f6785@aol.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id FAA27215for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 05:14:53 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA22816for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 06:55:13 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 18654dc8a99fed2b292c7afda3bc18c4 Status: O In a message dated 6/10/98 8:30:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, syncom@mail.datanet.hu writes: << When comparing the recordings made by several AD516s I found that the zero level (i.e. recording silence) is usually anything but zero. Depending on the card, the recorded data varies from $FF60 to $0140 which is an awful lot of difference. Interestingly, the left and right channels usually also differ strongly. The problem here should be obvious. If the zero levels don't get recorded precisely, every time you start and end the playback of a sample, you get a click. >> Thanks for bringing this up, Zsolt. I've noticed this, and to me the recorded waveform displays as what may be a "DC-offset", and I seem to remember that you can filter that out. I've come across this before, but can't remember where. Anybody?? -Burr Huntington A2000/Flyer, A3000/AD516 ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From doncox@enterprise.net Thu, 11 Jun 1998 08:58:00 +0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2731 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2733 (database) From: Don Cox To: studio16 Subject: Re: AD516 zero levels Date: Thu, 11 Jun 98 09:58:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id IAA07718for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 08:00:40 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA24870for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:40:40 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 3e946241e684a58ac1faa9c76d1adfeb Status: O On 11-Jun-98, Daniel Vaillancourt wrote: >> usually also differ strongly. The problem here should be obvious. If >> the zero levels don't get recorded precisely, every time you start >> and end the playback of a sample, you get a click. > > I've faced the problem., and to bypass this problem I have made a > little program to compensated this offset. If you are interrested by > the software, let me know. SFX has a "middle" operator to fix this problem, and Samplitude will do it as follows: 1. draw a range box whose height is the DC offset, width doesn't matter 2. do Shift Up (or Down) The whole sample shifts by the height of the box. This gives you more control than the SFX method. But it would be best if the hardware could be calibrated to work accurately. Regards -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From kost@imn.htwk-leipzig.de Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:23:34 +0200 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2733 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2741 (database) From: kost To: studio16 Subject: Re: AD516 zero levels Date: Thu, 11 Jun 98 12:23:00 Message-ID: <357FBE35.15B228A5@imn.htwk-leipzig.de> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id LAA19989for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:24:59 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA28513for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:05:00 +0200 Organization: HTWK-Leipzig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 15ab240bf9413aece3b5ee9cce45223d Status: O Don Cox wrote: > On 11-Jun-98, Daniel Vaillancourt wrote: > > >> usually also differ strongly. The problem here should be obvious. > If > >> the zero levels don't get recorded precisely, every time you start > >> and end the playback of a sample, you get a click. > > > > I've faced the problem., and to bypass this problem I have made a > > little program to compensated this offset. If you are interrested by > > the software, let me know. > > SFX has a "middle" operator to fix this problem, and Samplitude will > do it as follows: > 1. draw a range box whose height is the DC offset, width doesn't > matter > 2. do Shift Up (or Down) > The whole sample shifts by the height of the box. This gives you more > control than the SFX method. > SFX has a Slide Operator as well. Just click into the sample or mark something and note the values in the range window, then enter the y-offset into the slide (with a - in front to korrekt the offset) > But it would be best if the hardware could be calibrated to work > accurately. Stefan ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From beachler@iastate.edu Thu, 11 Jun 1998 08:44:07 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2728 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2742 (database) From: Rich Beachler To: studio16 Subject: Re: AD516 zero levels Date: Thu, 11 Jun 98 14:44:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id NAA27145for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:40:42 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA30084for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 15:19:47 +0200 X-Sender: beachler@pop-2.iastate.edu References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 927f1c1d5bbfaebdebea42c6538e4b9c Status: O Hello Daniel, >I've faced the problem., and to bypass this problem I have made a >little program to compensated this offset. If you are interrested by >the software, let me know. I, for one, am interested in your software. I imagine that others here will also be interested. If you would be so kind as to email a copy to me directly (my address is at the bottom of this message...DON'T post it to the mailing list). If you are willing to share this with a larger group than just subscribers to this list, you might consider sending it to Pauli Porkka for inclusion with the other AD516 software on his excellent soundcard support webpage (http://www.sci.fi/~pporkka/). Thanks for your offer! Rich Beachler beachler@iastate.edu ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From kenny@bgnett.no 11 Jun 98 16:02:25 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2725 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2743 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Steve Kusaba Subject: Re: Fileformats Date: Thu, 11 Jun 98 16:02:00 Message-ID: <531.466T1291T9622776@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id OAA29168for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:30:44 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA31505for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 16:11:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 3188b21b5dd227a617ac4dd910ee79b7 Steve Kusaba wrote: >>the Studio16add.lha package [CDDA2Studio] ), but not directly from CDs >Hurry up, WE are dying to send you some money! This looks like very >promising software! To tell the thruth, I am working at full capasity right now (actually a bit more too..). I will take the summer off in a couple of weeks and have the survey running. After that I will determine what I will give a priority then based on the survey results. But if anyone dying to send me money just send them - I don't mind! 8*) regards, - Kenny ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From kenny@bgnett.no 11 Jun 98 16:06:20 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2744 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: All Subject: Survey help Date: Thu, 11 Jun 98 16:06:00 Message-ID: <407.466T1025T9663038@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id OAA29173for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:30:45 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA31496for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 16:11:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 9390e47e409822b02d0f82ec2909c178 I have added a help page to the survey which explains the options in the priority section. I also added approximatly USD currency. The survey will as mentioned determine further development for Studio 16 so if you haven't already answered please go to this page: http://www.bgnett.no/~kenny/survey.html The survey will stay open till 15/July/98. Results will be posted here. Thank you. - Kenny ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From masquith@bellatlantic.net 11 Jun 98 13:22:12 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2717 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2745 (database) From: Mike Masquith To: studio16 Subject: Re: [TA] Metaphors in Musicware - A/V Compliant Applications Date: Thu, 11 Jun 98 09:22:00 Message-ID: <357FDA04.MD-0.198.masquith@bellatlantic.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA06855for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:27:50 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA05251for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 19:06:59 +0200 Organization: Barkin' Beaver Studios Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS 0.198 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 760270f253e5d73fc7f2fe4d69a95cc2 > Good point Paula, although something like this could probably be fairly > easily done using the joystick port. I wish I had the time/money to devote > to all the hardware projects I'd like to plug into this machine. > Practical real world I/O is a subject I've never found to be of great > interest in the user group discussions I have been involved in. (AAi > Atlanta) This ML is an exception to that somewhat. Joystick port? Can we assume that the new Amiga will have one? If so, will it still be the same kind on the current Amigas or be more advanced? I understand they (Dr. Alan Havemose, et al) are seriously considering USB. If USB 'happens' on the new Amiga, there probably won't be many other seperate ports at all. This could be great, and it could also be a problem. I honestly don't know how well USB would work with this sort of thing, or MIDI in general. We need to contact him soon to make sure they are considering MIDI and these interesting I/O items in their USB decision. We could be stuck with an I/O architecture that makes an even worse mess with MIDI than the original Amigas. -- -Mike Masquith, Barkin' Beaver Studios, VA, USA -A4000/060,CSMK1,CybSCSI Eagle Tower,VLM-Toccata,Ariadne -A3000/040,AD516,Ariadne,YamahaCDR101 ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From masquith@bellatlantic.net 11 Jun 98 13:30:34 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2746 (database) From: Mike Masquith To: studio16 Subject: observations Date: Thu, 11 Jun 98 09:30:00 Message-ID: <357FDBFA.MD-0.198.masquith@bellatlantic.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA07223for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:35:44 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA05490for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 19:16:06 +0200 Organization: Barkin' Beaver Studios Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS 0.198 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 2ce134926c6864081c2afdda8b6a2f65 > > Thanks again. Mike Masquith, Troy Silvey, others - any new > > observations/ideas? >From a IRC log where Dr. Havemose answered questions, it appears they are going to rely on IEEE 1394 (Firewire) and maybe USB for most of the I/O. Q: (elp) Will the new systems have SCSI, USB, FireWire and/or other standard technologies? Will TCP/IP be built in to the OS? A: (Havemose) I'm planning on full TCP/IP stack. I would prefer just to go with Firewire for network connectivity. I haven't made a decision on USB for that reason. Let me correct myself. 1394 for device and low-cost network. Q: (eaglelil) Dr. H: Will use use USB in the new Amy for KB, mice, etc A: (havemose) I have USB on my "open question" list. I do want to use 1394 for devices and networking. I was hoping ethernet was going to be included since it's so pervasive a standard, but that's a different topic. I haven't looked around for what's new with USB for a good while, but last time I checked, no one was even considering a MIDI interface for USB. This could be either an interesting opportunity, a hindrance, or nothing at all (USB not involved). Anyone know if USB would be good, bad, or indifferent regarding MIDI? 1394? How about either for digital audio? Searching this Q&A session for any mention of audio and MIDI only finds this: Q: (Darklite) 1 Will the new Amiga( 1999 ) be able to use PC cards (PCI, AGP ) or will it feature a whole new bus system ? 2 Will you support the PPC ports of AOS 4& 5 ? 3 Can you already give some more info on the "SuperChip" ? A: (Havemose) the new system will support PCI. I gave my position on PPC earlier. The new superchip (who came up wiht that name anyway?) is a very high performance processing unit with multimedia functions. A couple of numbers: 400 Mpixels/sec out of the 3D engine. This 24 bit pixels with full tri-linear mip mapping. 3-4 MPEGII decode simultanious, AC-3 audio. Nothing about MIDI at all. We DEFINITELY need to get our ideas and needs in Dr. H's face soon and clearly and often. I heartily agree that this is an area the Amiga could truly excel in, AND have a good chance of dominating IF it gets the proper emphasis in the design of the new OS. If they want digital convergence, here's a great opportunity. -- -Mike Masquith, Barkin' Beaver Studios, VA, USA -A4000/060,CSMK1,CybSCSI Eagle Tower,VLM-Toccata,Ariadne -A3000/040,AD516,Ariadne,YamahaCDR101 ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From baff@stc.net Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:27:17 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2746 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2747 (database) From: Brian Fields To: Mike Masquith Subject: Re: observations Date: Thu, 11 Jun 98 09:27:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA10396for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 18:42:01 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA07542for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 20:22:21 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: b838ea54a1ee5f843737f26cbc9f72a1 Greetings Mike, >>From a IRC log where Dr. Havemose answered questions, it appears they >are going to rely on IEEE 1394 (Firewire) and maybe USB for most of >the I/O. When was this IRC dated Mike? >> Good point Paula, although something like this could probably be fairly >> easily done using the joystick port. I wish I had the time/money to devote MM>Joystick port? Can we assume that the new Amiga will have one? I guess I should have been clear that I was speaking of the existing fix on Paula's machine. There were numbers of "second mouse port" hacks and helps in the Fish collection. One old one was called Port2. >-- >-Mike Masquith, Barkin' Beaver Studios, VA, USA >-A4000/060,CSMK1,CybSCSI Eagle Tower,VLM-Toccata,Ariadne >-A3000/040,AD516,Ariadne,YamahaCDR101 >** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) -- Brian baff@stc.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From doncox@enterprise.net Thu, 11 Jun 1998 20:11:35 +0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2747 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2748 (database) From: Don Cox To: studio16 Subject: Re: observations Date: Thu, 11 Jun 98 21:11:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id TAA12236for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 19:13:19 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA08629for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 20:53:34 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 561dc5f83821897cf58a78e22e74b127 On 11-Jun-98, Brian Fields wrote: > When was this IRC dated Mike? There is a nicely edited version at www.amiga.org/news Regards -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From baff@stc.net Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:25:56 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2748 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2749 (database) From: Brian Fields To: Don Cox Subject: Re: observations Date: Thu, 11 Jun 98 13:25:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id WAA18352for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 22:41:45 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA11104for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:21:13 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 770f60467040e6f28cd2a3cfbf53245c Greetings Don, >> When was this IRC dated Mike? >There is a nicely edited version at www.amiga.org/news thanks Don. too many threads too little time.... :) I'l check it out. >Regards >-- >Don Cox >doncox@enterprise.net >** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) -- Brian baff@stc.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From masquith@bellatlantic.net 12 Jun 98 21:20:33 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2747 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2752 (database) From: Mike Masquith To: studio16 Subject: Re: observations Date: Fri, 12 Jun 98 17:20:00 Message-ID: <35819BA0.MD-0.198.masquith@bellatlantic.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id BAA22265for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 01:40:09 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA17435for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 03:20:07 +0200 Organization: Barkin' Beaver Studios Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS 0.198 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 1c57695f273bc79a5709a94ed7076073 > When was this IRC dated Mike? Good question. The actual date of the Q & A isn't on it. It was posted to the Amiga Web Directory on June 6. Here's the URL: http://www.amiga.org/news/1998/0604-allan.shtml > I guess I should have been clear that I was speaking of the existing fix > on Paula's machine. > There were numbers of "second mouse port" hacks and helps in the Fish > collection. One old one was called Port2. Ahhh... Sorry for the confusion. -- -Mike Masquith, Barkin' Beaver Studios, VA, USA -A4000/060,CSMK1,CybSCSI Eagle Tower,VLM-Toccata,Ariadne -A3000/040,AD516,Ariadne,YamahaCDR101 ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From danv@colba.net Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:41:39 -0400 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2733 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2755 (database) From: Daniel Vaillancourt To: Don Cox Subject: Re: AD516 zero levels Date: Fri, 12 Jun 98 17:41:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id QAA15425for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 16:47:40 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA02551for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:43:45 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Me Myself and I inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id SAA02547 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 8d07a89718fa8f4aad36f5bc93d312e9 Le 11-Juin-98, Don Cox ŕ écrit : > SFX has a "middle" operator to fix this problem, and Samplitude will > do it as follows: > 1. draw a range box whose height is the DC offset, width doesn't > matter > 2. do Shift Up (or Down) > The whole sample shifts by the height of the box. This gives you more > control than the SFX method. SFX and Samplitude are complete editing program, I think it is over kill to load this program only to recalculate a DC offset. > But it would be best if the hardware could be calibrated to work > accurately. Yes of course -- Daniel Vaillancourt Vice-président danv@colba.net Club Amiga du Québec ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From danv@colba.net Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:47:56 -0400 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2742 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2756 (database) From: Daniel Vaillancourt To: Rich Beachler Subject: Re: AD516 zero levels Date: Fri, 12 Jun 98 17:47:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id QAA15511for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 16:50:31 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA02727for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:50:02 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Me Myself and I inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id SAA02718 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: e5b584f5e668f1c7c6475d4022de270f Le 11-Juin-98, Rich Beachler ŕ écrit : > Hello Daniel, > >I've faced the problem., and to bypass this problem I have made a > >little program to compensated this offset. If you are interrested by > >the software, let me know. > it to the mailing list). If you are willing to share this with a larger > group than just subscribers to this list, you might consider sending it > to Pauli Porkka for inclusion with the other AD516 software on his > excellent soundcard support webpage (http://www.sci.fi/~pporkka/). Of course. I have to make THE docs :o) to explain how it work and I will send it out. -- Daniel Vaillancourt Vice-président danv@colba.net Club Amiga du Québec ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From net@dutch.nl Thu, 11 Jun 1998 22:44:13 +0900 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2757 (database) From: Rene' Schaap To: Mailling List Subject: SuperModel and Kick2.04 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 98 14:44:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA21202for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 21:31:24 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA12639for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 23:30:30 +0200 X-ROUTED: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 23:31:58 0000 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Net X-Mailer: AEMail (Amiga EMail), Version 1.51, (c) 1997-1998 by John F. Zacharias Organization: No Empty Tape Productions Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: feb9fff616f426d59d67e849d94fdedf Hey All, I installed the Studio16 patch SuperModel in de the C directory of my 2.04 kicked Amiga 3000. I put the line mentioned in the readme file to the User-startup. After i restarted my computer and load studio16, nothing changed. I think it's my old ASL.Library. I put a newer one in de Libs, after that my Amiga 3000 did not boot properly anymore, so i reinstalled the old version of the ASL.library. My question, is Supermodel compatible witk kick 2.04 and Wb2.1 Thanks in advance, Rene'(DSP) Schaap _ ( ) No Empty tape Productions. ------------------------------ Get your Masterplan ready for the interactive decade. Email : net@Dutch.nl Homepage: http://www.dutch.nl/net Voice : 0031 (0)35 52 42 72 0 FAX : 0031 (0)35 52 66 31 7 ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From net@dutch.nl Thu, 11 Jun 1998 22:44:12 +0900 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2758 (database) From: Rene' Schaap To: Mailling List Subject: Kick 3.0 AND A3000/A4000 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 98 14:44:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA21203for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 21:31:25 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA12637for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 23:30:27 +0200 X-ROUTED: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 23:31:56 0000 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Net X-Mailer: AEMail (Amiga EMail), Version 1.51, (c) 1997-1998 by John F. Zacharias Organization: No Empty Tape Productions Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: bee29b635bb0df905e2dc8b6f5c1f47b Ok, Here a weird question for the Studio16 Mailinglist. I have an Amiga 3000 with Kick 2.04, it used for Audio (AD516) and Midi. I now have my Amiga 4000/040 upgraded to kick 3.1. Can i upgrade my Amiga 3000 with those old A4000 kick 3.0 chips ??????. SeeYaa Rene'(DSP) Schaap _ ( ) No Empty tape Productions. ------------------------------ Get your Masterplan ready for the interactive decade. Email : net@Dutch.nl Homepage: http://www.dutch.nl/net Voice : 0031 (0)35 52 42 72 0 FAX : 0031 (0)35 52 66 31 7 ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From beachler@iastate.edu Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:00:39 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2758 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2759 (database) From: Rich Beachler To: studio16 Subject: Re: Kick 3.0 AND A3000/A4000 Date: Fri, 12 Jun 98 23:00:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA21699for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 21:55:58 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA13195for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 23:55:25 +0200 X-Sender: beachler@pop-2.iastate.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: ef3fe4a5ffffae7859dc344a6bf8db44 Rene, >Ok, > >Here a weird question for the Studio16 Mailinglist. > >I have an Amiga 3000 with Kick 2.04, it used for Audio (AD516) and Midi. > >I now have my Amiga 4000/040 upgraded to kick 3.1. > >Can i upgrade my Amiga 3000 with those old A4000 kick 3.0 chips ??????. > No, you can't. Sorry, there are some major hardware differences between the two that have specific ROM routines. Also, as far as I know, there never was a 3.0 ROM created for the 3000, only a 3.1 ROM. Good luck, Rich Beachler beachler@iastate.edu ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From fw@well.com Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:07:37 -0700 (PDT) X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2758 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2760 (database) From: Fred Wright To: Mailling List Subject: Re: Kick 3.0 AND A3000/A4000 Date: Fri, 12 Jun 98 23:07:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id WAA22046for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 22:08:17 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA13526for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 00:07:36 +0200 X-Sender: fw@paix-alg-gw1-56.ncal.verio.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 90da752fd336ebce630c9ec64f737da2 On Thu, 11 Jun 1998, Rene' Schaap wrote: > Can i upgrade my Amiga 3000 with those old A4000 kick 3.0 chips ??????. I would guess not, unless you don't mind giving up the SCSI driver in favor of a useless IDE driver. Fred Wright ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From kenny@bgnett.no 13 Jun 98 11:27:21 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2757 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2763 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Rene' Schaap Subject: Re: SuperModel and Kick2.04 Date: Sat, 13 Jun 98 11:27:00 Message-ID: <432.468T1092T6873205@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id KAA03583for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 10:48:04 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA03043for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 12:46:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 4b17afa907c25aec263e94db006b3996 Rene' Schaap wrote: >Hey All, >I installed the Studio16 patch SuperModel in de the C directory of my >2.04 kicked Amiga 3000. >I think it's my old ASL.Library. What version do you have ? SuperModel requires kick 2.04 or better, but require v38 of asl.library. This is no problem to fix of course. The reason why is that it uses a special tag for v38 of the asl.lib. An update will arrive soon.. thanks for reporting! - Kenny ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From kenny@bgnett.no 14 Jun 98 14:09:41 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2765 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: All Subject: Survey Date: Sun, 14 Jun 98 14:09:00 Message-ID: <793.469T2051T8493560@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id MAA00438for ; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 12:16:44 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA04614for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 14:15:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: debdbc00c8ab06dfdaeaae65733fc0ea STUDIO 16 SURVEY ---------------- A small survey is available at http://www.bgnett.no/~kenny/survey.html - WHO SHOULD TAKE PART ? ANYONE interrested in seeing Studio 16 add-ons, users and developers. Third parties are welcome to take part as well. - WHY ? The result of this survey will determine further development of software for the Studio 16 environment. It also help to prioritizing what should be developed first and to determine the users' interrest. - WHEN ? Go now! The last chance to take part will be the 15th of July. Please answer every question (radio buttons). Wish and comment are optional. If you have already answered you don't need nor should, answer again. This reminder will be posted every week until the 15th/July, and when new users subscribe to this list. ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From kenny@bgnett.no 15 Jun 98 22:31:06 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2767 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: all Subject: AD516 for sale (fwd) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 98 22:31:00 Message-ID: <99.470T346T13512151@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id WAA05688for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 22:51:31 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA06082for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 00:48:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 9f54ebadff1f72c68bc269131b092dd3 ============================================================================== Thought this might be of interrest for some of you (see also repair address). -- Kenny ..// SD ============================================================================== ============================================================================== From: Hal Greenlee Subject: AD516 for sale Date: Tue, 9 Jun 98 09:39:00 Message-ID: <6liour$6b7@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> Path: torget.bgnett.no!nntp-bergen.UNINETT.no!uninett.no!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.130.5!mtf1!newsadm Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.audio Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.70.9.44 X-Newsreader: THOR 2.31 (Amiga;TCP/IP) Xref: torget.bgnett.no comp.sys.amiga.audio:11964 FOR SALE 1. Sunrize AD516 stereo sound card w/Studio 16 v3.01 $499 2. Toaster Handler module 40 3. SMPTE module 40 Warrantied 30 days. We repair/upgrade all Amiga motherboards, CBM accelerator cards. Hal, HardDrivers Co., 407-636-3393, noon-6 pm, 8 pm-2 am Eastern (fax anytime) From baff@stc.net Mon, 15 Jun 1998 19:17:45 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2767 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2768 (database) From: Brian Fields To: Kenny Nilsen Subject: Re: AD516 for sale (fwd) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 98 15:17:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id AAA06938for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 00:10:00 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA09098for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 02:09:29 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 44a262f5ee53ea74da941eef3540453a Hi Kenny, >Thought this might be of interrest for some of you (see also repair >address). -- >Kenny ..// SD >FOR SALE >1. Sunrize AD516 stereo sound card w/Studio 16 v3.01 $499 >Warrantied 30 days. FYI Just as a footnote to this Hal sends his stuff out cash COD which may cause problems for some. -- Brian ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From kost@imn.htwk-leipzig.de Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:53:33 +0200 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2699 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2769 (database) From: kost To: studio16 Subject: Re: Metaphors in Musicware Date: Tue, 16 Jun 98 08:53:00 Message-ID: <3586247D.9AD41536@imn.htwk-leipzig.de> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id HAA20539for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 07:55:27 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA26513for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:54:30 +0200 Organization: HTWK-Leipzig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 References: <000801bd929e$4b68f660$5be5fcce@computername> Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: fdaf3abef21bafb214e790cb91b82c43 I am (We are) currently thinking about a new standard. This will be a media stream concept with several kinds of modules (plugins). Thos stream can transport any kind of data. All streams will be synchronised by a timing master. I'll dicuss the design with Dave O'Reilly (SoundProbe) Marc Albrecht (ACT/Samplitude Opus) Martin Enders (Camouflage) and some more. The aim of the project is that we audio developers not working against each other. Only by working together we'll have a chance to push the amiga back to the current standarts and maybe a bit beyond. I'll let you know when the design is clearer. Stefan ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From doncox@enterprise.net Tue, 16 Jun 1998 20:55:47 +0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2769 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2771 (database) From: Don Cox To: studio16 Subject: Re: Metaphors in Musicware Date: Tue, 16 Jun 98 21:55:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id TAA09931for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 19:58:13 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA17635for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 21:57:22 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 5e0a7289263aec790882286be0651504 Hello stefan On 16-Jun-98, kost wrote: > I am (We are) currently thinking about a new standard. > > This will be a media stream concept with several kinds of modules (plugins). > Thos stream can transport any kind of data. All streams will be synchronised by > a timing master. > I'll dicuss the design with > Dave O'Reilly (SoundProbe) > Marc Albrecht (ACT/Samplitude Opus) > Martin Enders (Camouflage) > and some more. > > The aim of the project is that we audio developers not working against each > other. Only by working together we'll have a chance to push the amiga back to > the current standarts and maybe a bit beyond. > I'll let you know when the design is clearer. Excellent plan. My dream is of editing MIDI, audio and video with perfect sync. (I see the latest version of Movieshop has bad sync bugs). The timing should be genlockable and also the computer(s) should be able to send or obey SMPTE code. Regards -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From benboom@teleport.com Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:27:14 -0700 (PDT) X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2781 (database) From: Rick Adams To: studio16 Subject: woe, woe, woe Date: Thu, 18 Jun 98 23:27:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id WAA14322for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:31:18 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA24722for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 00:27:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: be34d681a53afeba5ab1402ee482b326 Hi, 16ers; I'm having a problem with my system I haven't seen before and I'm stumped. Here is the system: A3000, 8 megs fast, 2 chip, Studio 16 board, Quantum 880 Fireball, Quantum 1280 Fireball. OS 3.1. The system has worked flawlessly for as long as I have had it, and in fact it's still working fine, but I just bought a new Quantum 4.5 gig Viking I drive and I have found that I can't get ReOrg to defrag it, whcih means it's no good for digital audio. My first thought was that I simply need more memory, but after playing around I don't think so. I found that if I partitioned the 4.5 gig drive into blocks the size of my existing drives I still get the not-enough-memory error. I even tried this: I put 6 megs of files into RAM:, leaving me with about 1.5 megs of fast mem and then tried to reorganize my 1280. No problem! According to the official support website there is no support for ReOrg anymore, so I emailed Holger Kruse and he told me this: >The memory requirements depend on the geometry (i.e. track size >and number of tracks). I don't think HDToolbox lets you adjust >those, but some other disk prep tools do, e.g. RDPrep. I tried RDPrep but it is way over my head as I don't know what's going on with the system at this level. Needless to say, I don't know what to make of this. Do any of you understand what I might have to do to get this working? I have a PowerPC 180mhz that the drive works fine on but the sound quality of my old Amy with the Studio 16 just BLOWS the PPC out of the water! I wanna use this drive on the 3000! Could someone please suggest something? Thanks, Rick Adams/benboom@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~benboom/ |-----------------------------------------| | Celebrity math? Okay: | |Igor Stravinsky-Igor Stravinsky=John Tesh| |-----------------------------------------| ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:48:32 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2781 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2782 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: RE: S16> woe, woe, woe Date: Fri, 19 Jun 98 00:48:00 Message-ID: <000001bd9b13$99abd0e0$4ce5fcce@greenboy> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id XAA15698for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 23:47:56 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA26024for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 01:47:48 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 3987f5f186db7366b4d587406e9223d7 Rick Adams: >The system has worked flawlessly for as long as I have had it, and in >fact it's still working fine, but I just bought a new Quantum 4.5 gig >Viking I drive and I have found that I can't get ReOrg to defrag it, >whcih means it's no good for digital audio. Hey Rick, before I read any farther into your post: Are you aware that AmigaDos/FastFileSystem 3.x and under will not format or work with a disk size beyond 4 gig (4096 meg)? One solution: Using HDToolbox, format/partition the drive no farther than 4095 meg. Second: Go to Amiga International's website and download the FFS there. It will go beyond the 4 gig limit. ReOrg and other tools still will only work in address space below 4 gigs however. // T e a m -- greenboy --------------------------------------------- \XX/ A M I G A ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From benboom@teleport.com Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:27:53 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2783 (database) From: Rick Adams To: studio16 Subject: woes Date: Fri, 19 Jun 98 06:27:01 Message-ID: <3589F6D7.7470@teleport.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id FAA05186for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 05:26:06 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA00943for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 07:25:53 +0200 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 4f942e57f5d71849727f239897af61c5 Greenboy wrote: ------------------------------------------- Hey Rick, before I read any farther into your post: Are you aware that AmigaDos/FastFileSystem 3.x and under will not format or work with a disk size beyond 4 gig (4096 meg)? One solution: Using HDToolbox, format/partition the drive no farther than 4095 meg. Second: Go to Amiga International's website and download the FFS there. It will go beyond the 4 gig limit. ReOrg and other tools still will only work in address space below 4 gigs however. -------------------------------------------- Yes, I know about the 4 gig limit. The problem is that Reorg barfs even if it thinks the drive is an 850 meg unit! After I had no luck with conventional HDToolbox small partitions I copied the RDB's off my 850 and wrote them to the 4.5G just to see what would happen and still got the memory error. In any case, Holger told me that Reorg couldn't recognize PARTITIONS larger than 4 gigs... I'm guessing that I need to find someone who understands the nuts and bolts of setting up one of these drives in HDToolbox, and that someone is NOT me! Thanks for the hint, but I gotta keep looking... -- Rick Adams/benboom@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~benboom |-----------------------------------------| | Celebrity math? Okay: | |Igor Stravinsky-Igor Stravinsky=John Tesh| |-----------------------------------------| ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From doncox@enterprise.net Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:06:47 +0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2783 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2784 (database) From: Don Cox To: studio16 Subject: Re: woes Date: Fri, 19 Jun 98 11:06:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id JAA00846for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:35:39 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA03228for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:15:23 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: c8e01973bd913c155030b94630bfc307 Hello Rick > Greenboy wrote: > ------------------------------------------- > Hey Rick, before I read any farther into your post: Are you aware that > AmigaDos/FastFileSystem 3.x and under will not format or work with a > disk size beyond 4 gig (4096 meg)? People on the Draco/VLM list, who have been involved with this problem for a while, reckon 3995 Megs is the safe limit for ordinary FFS. Regards -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From benboom@teleport.com Fri, 19 Jun 1998 07:14:21 -0700 (PDT) X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2786 (database) From: Rick Adams To: studio16 Subject: woes Date: Fri, 19 Jun 98 15:14:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id OAA09642for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:15:21 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA09881for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:55:09 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 2313dcd539488b573a4dcdd297fa89c2 Don Cox wrote: ---------------------------- People on the Draco/VLM list, who have been involved with this problem for a while, reckon 3995 Megs is the safe limit for ordinary FFS. ---------------------------- Okay, but I have tried using a variety of sizes for this drive all the way from two partitions of 2.2 G each down to ONE partition of only 850 Megs (talk about a waste of space!:-) with the same result. I am convinced that all that stuff I don't understand like mask and max transfer plays a part in this, but until now all my drives have worked fine with the info that HDToolbax reads from them straight out of the box. I can generate lists of the RDB's and a mountlist for the old an new drives with RDPrep and compare them; there are differences but I don't know what to look for and I can't find anybody who does. There's one store here in Portland that sells Amigas (still!) but they don't know what I'm talking about. It's frustrating because here is this ancient 3000 which can beat the pants off of a new PowerMac (and the Mac is running ProTools, to boot) and I can't use it unless I delete the stuff I want to use it for. :-( Folks, some of you HAVE to be using large drives. How are you defragging them? Thanks, Rick Adams/benboom@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~benboom/ |-----------------------------------------| | Celebrity math? Okay: | |Igor Stravinsky-Igor Stravinsky=John Tesh| |-----------------------------------------| ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Fri, 19 Jun 1998 08:27:57 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2784 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2787 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: RE: S16> Drive woes Date: Fri, 19 Jun 98 15:27:01 Message-ID: <000101bd9b8e$74423800$4ce5fcce@greenboy> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id OAA09955for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:27:11 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA09993for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:07:18 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 901479a36662afd9d5fd1b30254596b3 Don Cox: >>Hey Rick, before I read any farther into your post: Are you aware that >>AmigaDos/FastFileSystem 3.x and under will not format or work with a >>disk size beyond 4 gig (4096 meg)? >People on the Draco/VLM list, who have been involved with this problem >for a while, reckon 3995 Megs is the safe limit for ordinary FFS. By HDToolbox count, I've been running at 4095 and change, since January. No problems; I tested thoroughly before committing to that. // T e a m -- greenboy --------------------------------------------- \XX/ A M I G A ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From doncox@enterprise.net Fri, 19 Jun 1998 18:33:58 +0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2787 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2788 (database) From: Don Cox To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Drive woes Date: Fri, 19 Jun 98 19:33:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA13949for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 17:59:47 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA13428for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:39:46 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 48b648cc687cc1ec0362b22d5f49c0a5 Hello greenboy On 19-Jun-98, greenboy wrote: > By HDToolbox count, I've been running at 4095 and change, since January. > No problems; I tested thoroughly before committing to that. I suspect the 3995 is a belt-and-braces figure. I presume you have filled up the top partition in your tests? It's all to do with thousands and 1024s and I can't be bothered to do the maths right now; I expect you're right, though. Regards -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From doncox@enterprise.net Fri, 19 Jun 1998 18:30:17 +0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2781 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2789 (database) From: Don Cox To: studio16 Subject: Re: woe, woe, woe Date: Fri, 19 Jun 98 19:30:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA13948for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 17:59:47 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA13424for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:39:38 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 5faa4b688bbedb1e29c114fe61d5c11a Hello Rick > I have a PowerPC 180mhz that the drive works fine on but the sound quality > of my old Amy with the Studio 16 just BLOWS the PPC out of the water! I > wanna use this drive on the 3000! Can you defrag the drive without problems on the Mac? > Regards -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From doncox@enterprise.net Fri, 19 Jun 1998 18:54:58 +0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2769 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2790 (database) From: Don Cox To: studio16 Subject: Re: B&P bug? Date: Fri, 19 Jun 98 19:54:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA13956for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 17:59:56 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA13431for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:39:51 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 01a0a68b19198bde5815fec4183ee207 For ages I have had problems with Bars&Pipes crashing on startup on one of my machines. This has a Picasso card, CGFX r70a, and the B&P icon is on Leave Out. I finally fixed it by changing the name of the B&P directory from "Bars&Pipes Professional" to "Bars&PipesProfessional", without the space. It seems that somehow B&P has problems starting up from a directory with a space in the name. Other programs are OK, as is B&P on the other machine. Regards -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From kenny@bgnett.no 19 Jun 98 20:20:38 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2791 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: All Subject: ANNOUNCE: SMPTECTRL (SMPTE Control) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 98 20:20:00 Message-ID: <2558.474T1911T12204336@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA14475for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 18:22:45 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA14617for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 20:02:54 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 5b349d4ab16abff1ad68760924ddaba4 $VER: SMPTECTRL 1.0 (19.06.98) Copyright (C) 1998 by Digital Surface/Kenneth "Kenny" Nilsen. All rights reserved. THIS SOFTWARE IS COMMERCIAL (NOT UPLOADED TO AMINET). - What is SMPTECTRL (SMPTE Control) ? This program allow you to control the SMPTE sinks of Studio 16 from the CLI command line or by a GUI. You can control sinks like the Internal source or the "SMPTE Output" sink source. You can PLAY, STOP, FastForward and Rewind the sink. You can even set a SMPTE code at any time. You can also select source or use default (current) sink source. The GUI contains four buttons for Play, Stop, FF, REW and an input gadget to set a new SMPTE time. It also contains a line which shows current SMPTE time. The GUI will pop up on the Workbench screen or current public screen. - What does it require ? A SMPTE source which could be Studio 16 or the "SMPTE Output" module stand-alone. It require studio.library v4 (Studio 16 v3) to work. For gui it requires dfunc.library v38 (included). It requires OS 2.04 or better to work. - How much does it cost ? As SMPTECTRL is commercial software you will need to buy it directly from author. The price is stunning USD 10 (Ten). For this you will receive a fingerprinted version on your email account as soon as the money has arrived. - How to pay ? You can take the risk of sending a USD 10 bill in an envelope or use a money order made payable to Kenneth Chr. Nilsen, Skinstadgaarden, N-3370 Vikersund in NORWAY. Other currencies accepted: DM 18 UKP 8 NOK 50 SEK 70 FR 70 Very important: ONLY send paper money, no coins will be accepted (bank policy). Remember to add a note with your email, name and postal address (the latter for reg-print) and the text "SMPTEControl order". Examples of use (CLI examples): 1> SMPTECTRL PLAY Will start play the current sink. 1> SMPTECTRL PLAY SetSource "SMPTE Output" Will force the "SMPTE Output" module to start play if it's available 1> SMPTECTRL STOP Will stop current sink source. 1> SMPTECTRL SetSMPTE "00:01:02:12" SetSource "SMPTE Output" Will set the "SMPTE Output" source to time 00:01:02:12. 1> SMPTECTRL GUI Will popup the GUI interface of the program. 1> SMPTECTRL GUI SetSource "Internal" Will popup the GUI and use the "Internal" SMPTE sink source. >From WB you just double click its icon an it will pop up its GUI and use current SMPTE sink as source. - Kenny ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From benboom@teleport.com Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:47:36 -0700 (PDT) X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2792 (database) From: Rick Adams To: studio16 Subject: woes Date: Fri, 19 Jun 98 19:47:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA14912for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 18:48:06 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA15870for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 20:28:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 188a785215f12f20ce1da99df250bb0d Don Cox wrote: ---------------------------------------------------------- >> I have a PowerPC 180mhz that the drive works fine on but the sound quality >> of my old Amy with the Studio 16 just BLOWS the PPC out of the water! I >> wanna use this drive on the 3000! >Can you defrag the drive without problems on the Mac? ------------------------------------------------------------ Yes; I use Norton Speed Disk on it with no problem. The drive seems to work fine on the Mac and I guess I'll just keep it there, but I bought it for the 3000. Now I think I'll have to try to find a used Quantum 1.2, but that's next to impossible. They don't even sell drives that small any more. I wish I knew if the drive's size is the problem or if something else is at work here. Another question, this one not about drives: today I tried to bounce tracks internally for the first time. I've had this system for three years and never needed to do this, which the manual *says* is possible, but I sure can't get it to work. The manual is very vague, saying only that you need to set the input of the final track to the output of the timeline. No possible combination of settings gives me a sample with anything in it... Rick Adams/benboom@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~benboom/ |-----------------------------------------| | Celebrity math? Okay: | |Igor Stravinsky-Igor Stravinsky=John Tesh| |-----------------------------------------| ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From onad@ao.net Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:37:07 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2777 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2793 (database) From: Dan Oberley To: studio16 Subject: Bad Key Date: Fri, 19 Jun 98 12:37:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id UAA17382for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 20:42:08 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA18074for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 22:21:48 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 9346190955ee16c935c3adba3b37d275 Help!! Help!! My Esc key is not working!! Is there any way I define another key {i.e. Alt e} until I can replace my keyboard? Maybe add a line to my startup seq? Kenny>You could use CTRL+[ CTRL+[ didn't work :( -- ******************************** Spider Byte Dan Oberley Studio's Winter Park, FL (407)740-6616 ******************************** ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From fw@well.com Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:45:38 -0700 (PDT) X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2786 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2795 (database) From: Fred Wright To: studio16 Subject: Re: woes Date: Fri, 19 Jun 98 22:45:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA18552for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 21:46:13 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA19094for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 23:26:00 +0200 X-Sender: fw@paix-alg-gw1-8.ncal.verio.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: f5c99466ca82a6c5a8196798a699cd2f On Fri, 19 Jun 1998, Rick Adams wrote: > Folks, some of you HAVE to be using large drives. How are you defragging > them? I think most people with drives that big don't have as little RAM as you have. Fred Wright ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From fw@well.com Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:59:41 -0700 (PDT) X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2790 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2796 (database) From: Fred Wright To: studio16 Subject: Re: B&P bug? Date: Fri, 19 Jun 98 22:59:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA18769for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 21:59:51 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA19432for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 23:39:58 +0200 X-Sender: fw@paix-alg-gw1-8.ncal.verio.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 1919f74c685b1a30cc42292219f24617 On Fri, 19 Jun 1998, Don Cox wrote: > It seems that somehow B&P has problems starting up from a directory > with a space in the name. Other programs are OK, as is B&P on the > other machine. I haven't seen that problem, but I have seen a few problems that seem to be 060-related: 1) Sometimes B&P will hang during its initialization while displaying the license information. It eventually wakes up, but usually it takes several minutes. After that it seems to work OK. 2) The One-Stop Editor, when activated as a B&P accessory, fails to read the current configuration from the OSMS. Attempts to change settings screw things up due to using a bad starting point. The separate One-Stop Editor does not have this disease. 3) (On-topic at last) Starting Studio16 directly reliably crashes in some circumstances that I haven't determined, but I've never seen it crash when started as a B&P accessory. I *think* problems 1 & 3 may happen only on the CSMkII and not the CSPPC, although that also involves switching between 16MHz and 25MHz and switching Buster revisions. Problem #2 seems to be happen in either 060 case. Fred Wright ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From fw@well.com Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:04:05 -0700 (PDT) X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2788 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2797 (database) From: Fred Wright To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Drive woes Date: Fri, 19 Jun 98 23:04:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id WAA18862for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 22:04:06 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA19534for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 23:44:24 +0200 X-Sender: fw@paix-alg-gw1-8.ncal.verio.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 0417bb259997a426ed1ccf72cdac59c8 On Fri, 19 Jun 1998, Don Cox wrote: > I suspect the 3995 is a belt-and-braces figure. I presume you have > filled up the top partition in your tests? > It's all to do with thousands and 1024s and I can't be bothered to do > the maths right now; I expect you're right, though. That's what I figured, too. The real limit should be exactly 4 gig, provided that you mean binary gig (2^30) not decimal gig (10^9). Since it's possible that having the updated address wrap around after the transfer might cause confusion, 4 gig minus 1 block would be safer. Then, since most things like to work in terms of cylinders, that might have to be reduced to the next lower cylinder boundary. Some dumb drivers might have problems going past 2 gig, but I don't know of a specific case of that. Fred Wright ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From kenny@bgnett.no 19 Jun 98 23:39:36 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2798 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: All Subject: SMPTE Control snapshot Date: Fri, 19 Jun 98 23:39:00 Message-ID: <126.474T1817T14193730@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id WAA19740for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 22:43:41 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA19914for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 00:22:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 77d2527c5b31fdab6ab4685dca5e2cbc A snapshot of the GUI part of SMPTECTRL is available from here: http://www.bgnett.no/~kenny/smptectrl.gif - Kenny ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From doncox@enterprise.net Sat, 20 Jun 1998 00:18:22 +0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2793 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2799 (database) From: Don Cox To: studio16 Subject: Re: Bad Key Date: Sat, 20 Jun 98 01:18:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id XAA20601for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 23:20:21 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA20625for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 01:00:17 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 5f89a960ae3506328c99513ec2f6863a On 19-Jun-98, Dan Oberley wrote: > My Esc key is not working!! Is there any way I define another key {i.e. Alt > e} until I can replace my keyboard? Maybe add a line to my startup seq? You should be able to find a keymap editor somewhere on Aminet. I haven't used one for ages, but basically they allow you to define a special keymap, like US or GB. You can even map a command such as running a program to a key. -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From doncox@enterprise.net Sat, 20 Jun 1998 00:23:07 +0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2796 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2800 (database) From: Don Cox To: studio16 Subject: Re: B&P bug? Date: Sat, 20 Jun 98 01:23:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id XAA20648for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 23:24:42 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA20688for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 01:05:01 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 7ef20019b25da5b66bf0d47d7a169311 On 19-Jun-98, Fred Wright wrote: > I haven't seen that problem, but I have seen a few problems that seem to > be 060-related: I'm running on 040s here. I got 060s for the computer room I used to run, but there did seem to be a lot of little niggles. Next time I have a lump of money, I guess it will be G3 PPC with emulator time; let's hope the emulator is for the 040 (or 030). Regards -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From doncox@enterprise.net Fri, 19 Jun 1998 20:30:08 +0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2791 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2801 (database) From: Don Cox To: studio16 Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: SMPTECTRL (SMPTE Control) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 98 21:30:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id XAA20775for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 23:31:28 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA20772for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 01:11:44 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: bee47296823c2354b11d8eb2b7533ea4 Hello Kenny On 19-Jun-98, Kenny Nilsen wrote: > This program allow you to control the SMPTE sinks of Studio 16 > from the CLI command line or by a GUI. This sounds good. I hope it will control the PAR card and B&P, as SMPTEout does. > DM 18 > UKP 8 They don't make 8 UKP notes - it has to be 10. -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From baff@stc.net Sat, 20 Jun 1998 03:46:54 -0400 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2786 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2802 (database) From: Brian Fields To: studio16 Subject: Re: woes Date: Sat, 20 Jun 98 08:46:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id KAA29105for ; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 10:45:25 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA27306for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 12:25:00 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: d35c37640389d36d3c03eb6e847b0c9a Greetings Rick, > Folks, some of you HAVE to be using large drives. How are you defragging > them? What I did with my 9 Gig (used the SCSIconfig program from Phase5 - but you have to do the calculations for blocksize and sectorsize on a piece of paper....argh!). Then formatted the first partition. Then I built the other two Dosdrivers from my calculations, rebooted, and selected the other two NDOS?? disks and formatted them. The 9 gig was formatted into three approximately 3 Gig partitions. > Thanks, > > Rick Adams/benboom@teleport.com > http://www.teleport.com/~benboom/ > > |-----------------------------------------| > | Celebrity math? Okay: | > |Igor Stravinsky-Igor Stravinsky=John Tesh| > |-----------------------------------------| > > > ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) Regards, -- Brian baff@stc.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From baff@stc.net Sat, 20 Jun 1998 03:32:18 -0400 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2784 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2803 (database) From: Brian Fields To: studio16 Subject: Re: woes Date: Sat, 20 Jun 98 08:32:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id KAA29106for ; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 10:45:26 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA27307for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 12:25:00 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: eaf5ae25dfb3624e4f5b9b7b0596be3c Greetings Don, > Hello Rick >> Greenboy wrote: >> ------------------------------------------- >> Hey Rick, before I read any farther into your post: Are you aware > that >> AmigaDos/FastFileSystem 3.x and under will not format or work with a >> disk size beyond 4 gig (4096 meg)? > > People on the Draco/VLM list, who have been involved with this problem > for a while, reckon 3995 Megs is the safe limit for ordinary FFS. Hear, hear. IMHO go for the safer 3995 . Regards, Brian baff@stc.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From tc_silvey@juno.com Fri, 7 Jan 2000 20:56:28 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2790 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2805 (database) From: troy silvey To: studio16 Subject: Re: B&P bug? Date: Sat, 8 Jan 0 02:56:00 Message-ID: <20000108.001017.9670.0.tc_silvey@juno.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id LAA00102for ; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 11:53:39 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA30517for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 13:33:49 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-10 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 890a743190f464ec7e36937f7cafa774 >"Bars&Pipes Professional" to "Bars&PipesProfessional", without the >space. It seems that somehow B&P has problems starting up from a directory >with a space in the name. Other programs are OK, as is B&P on the I ran into some directory trouble with this before way back with WB1.3 and again when I moved to 2.x For the past several years now, I have always named my dir "B&P' and had no other trouble. Odd, but true. true _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From kenny@bgnett.no 20 Jun 98 13:48:45 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2801 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2807 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Don Cox Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: SMPTECTRL (SMPTE Control) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 98 13:48:00 Message-ID: <431.475T2261T8284370@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id MAA00334for ; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 12:11:52 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA30851for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 13:52:13 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: be8ffd501d57d1da2612a4c147836e42 Status: RO Don Cox wrote: >> from the CLI command line or by a GUI. >This sounds good. I hope it will control the PAR card and B&P, as >SMPTEout does. It does with B&P (tested). If PAR uses Studio 16's SMPTE mechnism it will control that as well. >> UKP 8 >They don't make 8 UKP notes - it has to be 10. Sorry about that. In my eager I converted all sums on the fly. Anyway, with a money order this shouldn't matter. - Kenny ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From doncox@enterprise.net Sat, 20 Jun 1998 12:12:07 +0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2802 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2808 (database) From: Don Cox To: studio16 Subject: Re: woes Date: Sat, 20 Jun 98 13:12:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id OAA02417for ; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 14:50:02 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA01888for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 16:30:06 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: d98a2687a956123d0ecfb8a95f45521e Status: O On 20-Jun-98, Brian Fields wrote: >> Folks, some of you HAVE to be using large drives. How are you defragging >> them? Remember that for normal Amiga use it is practically never necessary to defragment a hard drive partition. Windows and Mac are different. Audio editing is just about the only use I can think of that would need this regularly, and then only if you are keeping your sounds on the HD for a while. Can you not back up your sound files to CD and delete them from the HD? Any smaller files can then be copied to a Zip, everything deleted, and away you go again with a clean disk. As defrag usually takes ages, this might be a faster solution as well. Of course if your audio files are bigger than 650 Megs, you will have to find some other medium for backups. Regards -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From kenny@bgnett.no 20 Jun 98 17:19:02 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2076 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2809 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Rene' Schaap Subject: RE: Scala: A better way!! Date: Sat, 20 Jun 98 17:19:00 Message-ID: <837.475T122T10391807@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id PAA02919for ; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 15:20:18 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA02308for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 17:00:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 81a915c5ed358a5430bda67aacef46a2 Status: O Reply to a message posted 31-Mar-98: Rene' Schaap wrote: >BTW, Sunrize has made the SMPTE-out software, is it possible to trigger this >program by Scala. >This program gives you SMPTE OUT on the Amiga Audio port. >By my meening, the software has NO Arexx-port. >Sugestions ??????? -- You can now, with the SMPTECTRL program. The program can control any SmpteSink of Studio 16 including SMPTEOuput. From scala you just issue an arexx comand like: address command 'SmpteCTRL play setsource "SMPTE Output"' address command 'SmpteCTRL stop' address command 'SmpteCTRL setsmpte "00:01:12:11"' etc. The SmpteCTRL is no hack, but uses Studio 16 library calls to achieve this control. SMPTEOutput must of course be running so Studio 16 is aware of this sink. Read the other message with information about SmpteCTRL. regards, - Kenny ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From tc_silvey@juno.com Sat, 8 Jan 2000 12:46:24 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2808 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2810 (database) From: troy silvey To: studio16 Subject: Re: woes Date: Sat, 8 Jan 0 18:46:00 Message-ID: <20000108.124849.12278.8.tc_silvey@juno.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id QAA04034for ; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 16:41:54 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA03676for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 18:22:02 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-20 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: ab190250345ee7c6225797ab000b54a1 >Audio editing is just about the only use I can think of that would >need this regularly, and then only if you are keeping your sounds on >the HD for a while. Can you not back up your sound files to CD and >delete them from the HD? Any smaller files can then be copied to a >Zip, everything deleted, and away you go again with a clean disk. >As defrag usually takes ages, this might be a faster solution as well. > >Of course if your audio files are bigger than 650 Megs, you will have >to find some other medium for backups. This is what I have to do. Some of my projects can use up 100-200 meg with out a problem. So I can't keep several projects on the HD at one time. I back up constantly to tape ( a good ideal for any project, sudio or not), clear the space and do new projects. Before I did it this way, I was always recording and deleting older stuff, but I would eventually run into problems dropping tracks because of fragmentation. Since the backups and cleansings, no problems. I tried defraging a few times, but as mentioned, it took ages and didn't always help much. troy _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From turk@gulftel.com Sat, 20 Jun 1998 13:39:32 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2795 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2811 (database) From: CMM To: studio16 Subject: Re[2]: woes Date: Sat, 20 Jun 98 20:39:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA05614for ; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 18:40:18 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA06182for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 20:20:19 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview3 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: CMM MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 2fd7575b6d73a3230cf91f483e39ff48 On 19-Jun-98, Fred Wright wrote: > > On Fri, 19 Jun 1998, Rick Adams wrote: > >> Folks, some of you HAVE to be using large drives. How are you defragging >> them? > > I think most people with drives that big don't have as little RAM as you > have. > I myself have plenty of ram but I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone would even have a partition of some of the sizes mentioned here. Personally, I would not have a partition larger than 500MB as the most. My God it that were to get corrupted using FFS and have to be repaired even a 500MB system would take hours to repair. It would take days to repair a 2GB, 3GB, 4GB partition that many obviously have. I just don't understand why anyone would have a partition of that size. Very few things would require anything like that, plus if the partition goes bad and cannot be repaired or recovered, you've lost everyting if you haven't backed it up. I prefer to keep things on smaller partitions and if one gets screwey I've lost much, much less. I've never understood this and never will. I've seen people get a new 4.0GIG drive and format it into one partition...it just doesn't make good sense to me. I know audio and especially video can require lots of space, but still this more than likely could be worked out using smaller partitions. Anyway, just my thoughts! ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From doncox@enterprise.net Sat, 20 Jun 1998 19:56:00 +0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2811 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2812 (database) From: Don Cox To: studio16 Subject: Re: woes Date: Sat, 20 Jun 98 20:56:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA05827for ; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 18:57:41 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA06596for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 20:38:02 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: ea3fcbb80b9da0820342353962c718aa On 20-Jun-98, CMM wrote: > My God it that were to get corrupted using FFS and have > to be repaired even a 500MB system would take hours to > repair. It would take days to repair a 2GB, 3GB, 4GB > partition Only if you use Disksalv. Quarterback Tools (old version) is much quicker. BTW has anyone got a version of QB Tools DeLuxe that works? Mine gives up after doing a part of the drive with some message about Cannot get cache. I cannot get any answer from Quasar on the phone or email. I sort of agree about partition size, but audio files can be very big - 200 Megs or more. Then you need Samplitude project files, maybe a backup or two, and so on. Big partitions with big block sizes are useful for this stuff. Image projects can be quite big too, if you are working at print resolutions. But for normal Programs partitions, yes 600Meg is big enough, and fits on a CD for backup. Regards -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From tc_silvey@juno.com Sat, 20 Jun 1998 15:42:08 -0400 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2812 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2813 (database) From: troy silvey To: studio16 Subject: Re: woes Date: Sat, 20 Jun 98 20:42:00 Message-ID: <19980620.154221.8646.3.tc_silvey@juno.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id TAA06292for ; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 19:35:05 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA07326for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 21:15:26 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-13 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: d458d238c536f36d9111b150da89ba8a >BTW has anyone got a version of QB Tools DeLuxe that works? Mine gives I'll take a copy too if some one can find out if they can still be purchased, or float me a loaner if it can't be bought :) >Image projects can be quite big too, if you are working at print >resolutions. >But for normal Programs partitions, yes 600Meg is big >enough, and fits on a CD for backup. Oh yeah, I forgot about the 1 meg 3d rendering partion you may need. troy _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From tc_silvey@juno.com Sat, 20 Jun 1998 15:39:07 -0400 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2811 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2814 (database) From: troy silvey To: studio16 Subject: woes and big drives Date: Sat, 20 Jun 98 20:39:00 Message-ID: <19980620.154221.8646.2.tc_silvey@juno.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id TAA06302for ; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 19:35:34 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA07346for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 21:15:58 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-28,30-36 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: c7105c613d7e60a4625ca42f7c21ff96 >I myself have plenty of ram but I cannot for the life of >me understand why anyone would even have a partition of >some of the sizes mentioned here. Personally, I would >not have a partition larger than 500MB as the most. Partioning at 500 is fine but...... >partition that many obviously have. I just don't understand >why anyone would have a partition of that size. Very few >things would require anything like that, plus if the partition some day when your projects grow up :)...... it will be easy to see how you can use that much space. To burn a complete stereo CD you need a 680meg partion to work with already. Now add in tasks that are 5 minutes of 8 tracks in 44khz recordings * about 4 task that are about 120meg per task you can see the numbers ballon. I use a 1.1gig + a 850meg HD on my 3000 and if I clear the HD once in while with a back-up to make room for other projects, I just do get by :) I could fill a 4 gig in a week and still have to go to back ups. >will. I've seen people get a new 4.0GIG drive and format >it into one partition...it just doesn't make good sense to >me. I know audio and especially video can require lots of >space, but still this more than likely could be worked out >using smaller partitions. Anyway, just my thoughts! You are right here. Make a separate system, recording, and maybe CD burning partitions. Files and Os one the first. Big Block the second for faster recording access, and what ever the CD images need for the thrid. One big partition with studio16 is not the best way to go. troy _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From syncom@mail.datanet.hu Sun, 21 Jun 1998 00:41:59 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2793 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2815 (database) From: Zsolt Kovacs To: Dan Oberley Subject: Re: Bad Key Date: Sun, 21 Jun 98 00:41:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id WAA09164for ; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:44:07 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA11459for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 00:23:25 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Syncom MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 1ac319c94870ef659e3128cbaf88c776 On 19-Jun-98, Dan Oberley wrote: >Help!! Help!! >My Esc key is not working!! Is there any way I define another key {i.e. Alt >e} until I can replace my keyboard? Maybe add a line to my startup seq? >Kenny>You could use CTRL+[ >CTRL+[ didn't work :( >-- >******************************** > Spider Byte Dan Oberley > Studio's Winter Park, FL > (407)740-6616 >******************************** Hi Dan, don't waste any time or money on new keymaps or new keyboard. I've had the same problem several times on various keyboards and there's a simple solution that consists of two steps. 1. You can take apart the whole keyboard which is about an hour altogether (most of which is spent taking out and putting back the countless tiny screws, don't lose them!) and put the printed circuit board into the bathtub or under the tap. This will clean away the accumulated dirt. Dry it, and then put it together again. There's good chance that your key will still refuse to work. Then comes the second step. 2. On the fully assembled keyboard, take off the plastic cap of the key that's still not working. You'll see the light grey end of the rubber that makes the contact. In the center, there's a whole. Take a tiny screwdriver and put its tip into the whole until you feel it touches the bottom. Move it around carefully for some time (it's best if your computer is turned on at this stage so you can immediately see the results) and you'll soon see that the key will start working again. I've brought back several completely 'dead' keys reliably with this method. Hope this helps. (By the way, EditKeys from Aminet is a good keymap ed.) Zsolt Kovacs. ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From Brrr@aol.com Sat, 20 Jun 1998 23:59:07 EDT X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2816 (database) From: Brrr To: studio16 Subject: Re: HD fragmentation Date: Sun, 21 Jun 98 04:59:00 Message-ID: <5cf090e1.358c850c@aol.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from torget.bgnett.no (torget.bgnett.no [194.19.41.3])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id KAA17665for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 10:20:57 GMT Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by torget.bgnett.no (8.8.6/8.8.5/brage) with ESMTP id GAA00961for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 06:02:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA15327for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 05:40:36 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 06db580ad3f5de6a4bfeae69bf69ec4a In a message dated 6/20/98 10:51:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, doncox@enterprise.net writes: << Remember that for normal Amiga use it is practically never necessary to defragment a hard drive partition. Windows and Mac are different. >> Why is this, Don? ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From net@dutch.nl Sun, 21 Jun 1998 08:45:12 +0900 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2817 (database) From: Rene' Schaap To: studio16 Subject: RE: Scala: A better way!! Date: Sun, 21 Jun 98 00:45:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from torget.bgnett.no (torget.bgnett.no [194.19.41.3])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id KAA17731for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 10:21:08 GMT Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by torget.bgnett.no (8.8.6/8.8.5/brage) with ESMTP id IAA04961for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 08:47:58 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA17208for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 08:26:41 +0200 X-ROUTED: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 08:47:46 0000 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Net X-Mailer: AEMail (Amiga EMail), Version 1.51, (c) 1997-1998 by John F. Zacharias Organization: No Empty Tape Productions Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 883904928378bc4383b64611e22a4d2f On Fri, Jun 20, 1998, at 05:19 PM, Kenny Nilsen wrote: > Reply to a message posted 31-Mar-98: > > Rene' Schaap wrote: > >BTW, Sunrize has made the SMPTE-out software, is it possible to trigger > this > >program by Scala. > >This program gives you SMPTE OUT on the Amiga Audio port. > >By my meening, the software has NO Arexx-port. > >Sugestions ??????? > -- > > You can now, with the SMPTECTRL program. The program can control any > SmpteSink of Studio 16 including SMPTEOuput. From scala you just issue an > arexx comand like: > > address command 'SmpteCTRL play setsource "SMPTE Output"' > address command 'SmpteCTRL stop' > address command 'SmpteCTRL setsmpte "00:01:12:11"' > etc. > > The SmpteCTRL is no hack, but uses Studio 16 library calls to achieve this > control. > > SMPTEOutput must of course be running so Studio 16 is aware of this sink. > Read the other message with information about SmpteCTRL. > > > regards, > - Kenny > > > ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) Great Kenny, Thanks for the masterpiece. I have one problem, you asked for paper-money only, i pay you by DM. but there is no 8 Dm paper bill ???? I will send you 20 DM instead, and those 2 Dm......... Sing a song for me and i will forgot al about it ....heheheh. Seeyaa and thanks Kenny, Rene'(DSP) Schaap --------------------------------------------------------------- NEW VOICE AND FAX NUMBERS FOR THE N.E.T. PRODUCTIONS !!!!!!!!! PLEASE UPDATE THEM IN YOUR AGENDA, DATABASE. ETC ETC. --------------------------------------------------------------- _ ( ) No Empty tape Productions. ------------------------------ Get your Masterplan ready for the interactive decade. Email : net@Dutch.nl Homepage: http://www.dutch.nl/net Voice : 0031 (0)35 52 44 6 88 (ISDN) FAX : 0031 (0)35 52 44 6 89 ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From doncox@enterprise.net Sun, 21 Jun 1998 12:09:02 +0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2816 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2818 (database) From: Don Cox To: studio16 Subject: Re: HD fragmentation Date: Sun, 21 Jun 98 13:09:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id LAA18809for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 11:12:31 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA20290for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 12:51:09 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 7f00f3b4c78f61104afaa6b15e9a992c Hello Brrr@aol.com On 21-Jun-98, Brrr@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/20/98 10:51:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > doncox@enterprise.net writes: > > << Remember that for normal Amiga use it is practically never necessary > to defragment a hard drive partition. Windows and Mac are different. >> > > Why is this, Don? Whenever I have checked an Amiga HD to see if it needed defragging there has been so little fragmentation that it isn't worth doing. Windows I think mainly messes up the HD by using it for virtual memory. The Mac also does virtual memory, but it seems to fragment files anyway. Even back under System 6, the drives needed defragging regularly. You are also supposed to re-install the Mac OS at regular intervals (at least once a month), and there is the desktop file to rebuild as well. I don't know enough about Windows to know whether you can make it do all its VM in one designated partition, which would help. If you set up a general VM program on Amiga, you would designate a partition. But on Amiga, the programs that really need VM do it themselves with a simple file system that works without an MMU. IMO a system-wide virtual memory is a bad thing. Regards -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From fw@well.com Sun, 21 Jun 1998 04:49:20 -0700 (PDT) X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2818 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2819 (database) From: Fred Wright To: studio16 Subject: Re: HD fragmentation Date: Sun, 21 Jun 98 12:49:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id LAA19490for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 11:50:45 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA20671for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 13:29:45 +0200 X-Sender: fw@paix-alg-gw1-30.ncal.verio.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: b247a7733799fdf1c82b7ede4214df39 On Sun, 21 Jun 1998, Don Cox wrote: > Whenever I have checked an Amiga HD to see if it needed defragging > there has been so little fragmentation that it isn't worth doing. Fragmentation isn't the only issue, since it only describes contiguity of the *unused* space. It says nothing about the contiguity of individual files, or other positioning issues that impact performance. I see noticeable speed improvements after ReOrg even when fragmentation was quite low. > simple file system that works without an MMU. IMO a system-wide > virtual memory is a bad thing. There are often more efficient application-specific ways of doing VM. But *if* you're going to use simple-minded MMU-based VM, then implementing it once for the whole system makes more sense than repeating it in each application, especially on a system that lacks standardized ways of using the MMU cooperatively. Fred Wright ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From goodidea@aye.net Sun, 21 Jun 1998 10:50:59 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2811 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2820 (database) From: Mark Needham To: studio16 Subject: Re: woes Date: Sun, 21 Jun 98 06:50:01 Message-ID: <19980621105059.8F89410@aye.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id OAA22178for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 14:54:15 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA24040for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 16:34:16 +0200 Organization: GOOD IDEA! MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Eucalyptus 1.0 (Release 0.2217) (27.4.98) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 291c6ffff1f7a815cd554c864d1c1273 Did you check the buffers setting on your big drive? My Oktagon SCSI by default sets up an enormous amount of buffers (1400 or so) which I didn't notice until I saw that my available ram had dropped. You may have so many buffers allocated that the defragmentation can't occur. BTW, Ami-Back Tools, if you can find it, is the best disk utility. Mark ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From doncox@enterprise.net Sun, 21 Jun 1998 14:26:32 +0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2819 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2821 (database) From: Don Cox To: studio16 Subject: Re: HD fragmentation Date: Sun, 21 Jun 98 15:26:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA24387for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 17:35:16 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA27287for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 19:15:15 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 48db47924347b1542f37a068d8751be2 On 21-Jun-98, Fred Wright wrote: > > On Sun, 21 Jun 1998, Don Cox wrote: > >> Whenever I have checked an Amiga HD to see if it needed defragging >> there has been so little fragmentation that it isn't worth doing. > > Fragmentation isn't the only issue, since it only describes contiguity of > the *unused* space. It says nothing about the contiguity of individual > files, No, I think you're wrong there. For instance, I just checked with Quarterback Tools, and it reports Fragmented files: 233 out of 2,958 File fragmentation: 0.08% > or other positioning issues that impact performance. I see > noticeable speed improvements after ReOrg even when fragmentation was > quite low. Is this specifically for audio mixing? That is what I would expect to be the most sensitive application. Optimisation to reduce seek times must help, certainly. And are you talking about Amiga drives or other OSs? Let's hope that faster drives and buses make this problem go away soon. I get the impression there will be Macs with Firewire buses on the motherboard before very long, but I haven't seen a Firewire hard drive anywhere as a commercial product. -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From ImJohn@worldnet.att.net Sun, 21 Jun 1998 11:54:05 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2818 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2822 (database) From: John Rice To: studio16 Subject: Re: HD fragmentation Date: Sun, 21 Jun 98 19:54:00 Message-ID: <358D56CD.1E335945@worldnet.att.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA25678for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 18:47:45 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA29078for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 20:27:57 +0200 Organization: Ib Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 8dac13ab499b736e90d592d978905d87 > I don't know enough about Windows to know whether you can make it do > all its VM in one designated partition, which would help. Yes you can, although the default under Win95 is to have the swap file on drive C: and to let Windows handle the size. The problem with this is that the size of the file can shrink and grow from 0 megs up to the available room on the drive / partition and because of this it becomes fragmented quickly. Anytime I work on a system I always setup a minimum size for the swap file ( anywhere from 50 to 200 megs depending on the size of the drive ) and let the maximum be the remaining available space. That way all the swap file info is always written to the minimum protected space and never shrinks and rarely grows. ( but can grow if need be ) And on some systems, like my home machine, I have a separate drive partition F: that contains the swap file, a TEMP and TMP directory, and all the cashe, temp, and history directories for web browsers. ImJohn@worldnet.att.net .......I play drums. ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From fw@well.com Sun, 21 Jun 1998 15:02:55 -0700 (PDT) X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2821 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2823 (database) From: Fred Wright To: studio16 Subject: Re: HD fragmentation Date: Sun, 21 Jun 98 23:02:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id WAA29393for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 22:03:38 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA31350for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 23:43:31 +0200 X-Sender: fw@paix-alg-gw1-51.ncal.verio.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 605eaeb787c38baa871a20d797b8338f On Sun, 21 Jun 1998, Don Cox wrote: > No, I think you're wrong there. For instance, I just checked with > Quarterback Tools, and it reports > Fragmented files: 233 out of 2,958 > File fragmentation: 0.08% OK, but statistics like that still don't give you enough information to accurately assess performance impact. > Is this specifically for audio mixing? That is what I would expect to > be the most sensitive application. Optimisation to reduce seek times > must help, certainly. I was talking about ordinary use - running programs, opening windows, etc. > And are you talking about Amiga drives or other OSs? AmigaOS. Remember AmigaDOS uses one of the worst directory structures ever conceived (it wasn't designed by Amiga developers), and disk layout has a substantial effect on performance, especially where wildcarding is concerned (including the implied #?.info whenever you open a window). ReOrg understands these issues, and even has different placement strategies for use with different OS versions. > Let's hope that faster drives and buses make this problem go away > soon. I get the impression there will be Macs with Firewire buses on > the motherboard before very long, but I haven't seen a Firewire hard > drive anywhere as a commercial product. On the contrary, as disk drives improve, the transfer rate usually improves more than the seek time or rotational latency, making the *relative* penalty of noncontiguous allocation *worse* on high-performance drives. Writes are especially problematic, because unless you configure the drive to engage in the dangerous practice of confirming write completion before physically writing the media, there is a substantial per-command overhead whose significance increases as the transfer size goes down (this is avoidable through SCSI-2 tagged queueing, but I don't think any Amiga SCSI drivers support this). With an entire drive dedicated for audio use it would probably be acceptable to configure the "buffered" style of write completion, but I'd be reluctant to use that mode on a disk used for important files. Fred Wright ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From jamesa@chilli.net.au Mon, 22 Jun 1998 08:55:57 +1000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2786 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2824 (database) From: James Anderson To: studio16 Subject: Re: woes Date: Sun, 21 Jun 98 23:55:01 Message-ID: <199806220855570170.00068B51@mail.chilli.net.au> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id WAA00630for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 22:56:23 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA32629for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 00:36:28 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Calypso Lite Version 2.40.40 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id AAA32627 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: bed917e5a099952fe81de06b00cd8e06 *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 19/6/98, at 7:14 AM, Rick Adams wrote: > >Folks, some of you HAVE to be using large drives. How are you defragging >them? > >Thanks, > > Rick Adams/benboom@teleport.com > http://www.teleport.com/~benboom/ > > |-----------------------------------------| > | Celebrity math? Okay: | > |Igor Stravinsky-Igor Stravinsky=John Tesh| > |-----------------------------------------| > > >** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) ---------------------------------------------------------- I keep a partition empty then sometimes move the contents of a troubled partition into it then move them back. Its kinda boring and means you need to have enough space to spare but it seems to work. All the best, James ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From doncox@enterprise.net Mon, 22 Jun 1998 00:14:51 +0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2823 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2825 (database) From: Don Cox To: studio16 Subject: Re: HD fragmentation Date: Mon, 22 Jun 98 01:14:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id XAA00970for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 23:16:52 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA00652for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 00:57:07 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: b3c4ad63b0e95bc9d5ae881ff7c622b7 Status: RO Hello Fred >> Fragmented files: 233 out of 2,958 >> File fragmentation: 0.08% > > OK, but statistics like that still don't give you enough information to > accurately assess performance impact. But they tell me that there isn't much fragmentation. > I was talking about ordinary use - running programs, opening windows, etc. For ordinary use I find Amiga hard drives plenty fast enough, except when there is a very large number of files in a directory. In fact, being used to things like 40Meg Quantums, I find them all amazingly fast. It all depends on your point of view. >> And are you talking about Amiga drives or other OSs? > > AmigaOS. Remember AmigaDOS uses one of the worst directory structures > ever conceived The ability to reconstruct the disk structure from any file makes up for its slowness, in my opinion. Even if the root block has gone, you can get everything back. That's worth a lot. I can remember spending whole evenings trying to get files back off corrupted cp/m floppies, with a traditional "directory track" arrangement. The disk structure was one of the main things that sold me on Amigas. Disksalv version 1 - wonderful! >(it wasn't designed by Amiga developers), Well, they didn't work in the same building (or country) as Jay Miner and Carl S, but if they developed a big part of the Amiga OS they count as Amiga developers. And the Cambridge Ring was a pioneering setup in its day, too. > and disk layout > has a substantial effect on performance, especially where wildcarding is > concerned (including the implied #?.info whenever you open a window). > ReOrg understands these issues, and even has different placement > strategies for use with different OS versions. But apparently it doesn't work on big drives ... >> Let's hope that faster drives and buses make this problem go away >> soon. I get the impression there will be Macs with Firewire buses on >> the motherboard before very long, but I haven't seen a Firewire hard >> drive anywhere as a commercial product. > > On the contrary, as disk drives improve, the transfer rate usually > improves more than the seek time or rotational latency, making the > *relative* penalty of noncontiguous allocation *worse* on high-performance > drives. Yes, but I don't think I care if it takes a quarter of a second to open a window instead of a tenth of a second. > Writes are especially problematic, because unless you configure the drive > to engage in the dangerous practice of confirming write completion before > physically writing the media, there is a substantial per-command overhead > whose significance increases as the transfer size goes down (this is > avoidable through SCSI-2 tagged queueing, but I don't think any Amiga SCSI > drivers support this). With an entire drive dedicated for audio use it > would probably be acceptable to configure the "buffered" style of write > completion, but I'd be reluctant to use that mode on a disk used for > important files. I'm against anything dangerous like data sitting in RAM when you think it's been saved. I'd rather wait a bit and know it's safe. I think it's easy to concentate on immediate performance and forget total performance - how much work you actually get done in a week. A slower, safer system can be more productive, as you don't spend hours trying to recover data or re-installing the OS. A fast, safe system would be best, of course. Regards -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From jamesvig@home.com Sun, 21 Jun 1998 19:08:22 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2826 (database) From: James To: studio16 Subject: Re: HD fragmentation Date: Mon, 22 Jun 98 03:08:00 Message-ID: <19980622021055.AAA13154@cx78040-a.fed1.sdca.home.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id CAA03308for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 02:15:09 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA04926for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 03:55:13 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: c80006d0da6dc4768f185ea10a92b196 Fred Wright typed: >Writes are especially problematic, because unless you configure the drive >to engage in the dangerous practice of confirming write completion before >physically writing the media, there is a substantial per-command overhead >whose significance increases as the transfer size goes down (this is >avoidable through SCSI-2 tagged queueing, but I don't think any Amiga SCSI >drivers support this). With an entire drive dedicated for audio use it >would probably be acceptable to configure the "buffered" style of write >completion, but I'd be reluctant to use that mode on a disk used for >important files. > > Fred Wright Curious about one item above. One of the settings for my A4000-Tower (real tower not homegrown ;-) is setting SCSI-2 tagged queuing. Is this merely just a named function without any support code in the device driver or is it really there? I have no idea how to test whether it can be used or not but it is on. James Vigliotti ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From turk@gulftel.com Sun, 21 Jun 1998 21:18:28 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2824 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2827 (database) From: CMM To: studio16 Subject: Re[2]: woes Date: Mon, 22 Jun 98 04:18:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id CAA03326for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 02:18:55 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA04998for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 03:59:27 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview3 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: CMM MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 93711ce64372ed4e0078be1c353dbcea On 21-Jun-98, James Anderson wrote: > I keep a partition empty then sometimes move the contents of a troubled partition > into it then move them back. Its kinda boring and means you need to have enough > space to spare but it seems to work. > I do the same thing myself. Its not that boring. I use AFS and I just do this on ocassion for the heck of it. Copy the stuff off a partition...verify that stuff copied ..reformat the other partition and copy it back verifying once again that it is there. Now this will definately defrag your HD or partition. Works with FFS as well. ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From tc_silvey@juno.com Sun, 21 Jun 1998 14:58:06 -0400 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2818 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2828 (database) From: troy silvey To: studio16 Subject: Re: HD fragmentation Date: Sun, 21 Jun 98 19:58:00 Message-ID: <19980621.225324.14798.1.tc_silvey@juno.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id CAA03655for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 02:47:08 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA05605for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 04:27:38 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-14,16-19 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 0dd1fdb27ad112663927fe1651b890d7 >Windows I think mainly messes up the HD by using it for virtual >memory. The Mac also does virtual memory, but it seems to fragment Windows 3.1x fragments the data on the HD as a matter of normal operation with *.tmp files and the swap file operations. I have repaired thousands of file problems caused by this over these past 6 years. Windows 95 does better, but still has some fragmentation problems. I think it is more relalted to the third party apps screwing things up on installs and removals than the 95 OS it's self. I have not bothered to check into that deeply though. On the other hand the only defraging I have ever done on my amiga was for large volume sample recording and deleting, and keeping my BBS cleaned up that I ran years ago with fido, usenet, files, posting and multiline calling going on. No other normal volume I have ever used needed defraging. I was usually updating apps, OS versions and the HD it self long before defraging was necessary. troy _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From westdunn@cyberus.ca Mon, 22 Jun 1998 10:45:07 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2812 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2829 (database) From: William Dunn To: studio16 Subject: Re: woes Date: Mon, 22 Jun 98 18:45:00 Message-ID: <358E9823.56C99A6A@cyberus.ca> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id OAA19932for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:51:28 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA16662for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 16:31:21 +0200 Organization: West/Dunn productions X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 8a2a0571fea92cb4da428b6126f482fe QB Tools is not friendly with OS 3.1 Had to re-format partition after using same. Don Cox wrote: > On 20-Jun-98, CMM wrote: > > > My God it that were to get corrupted using FFS and have > > to be repaired even a 500MB system would take hours to > > repair. It would take days to repair a 2GB, 3GB, 4GB > > partition > > Only if you use Disksalv. Quarterback Tools (old version) is much > quicker. > > BTW has anyone got a version of QB Tools DeLuxe that works? Mine gives > up after doing a part of the drive with some message about Cannot get > cache. I cannot get any answer from Quasar on the phone or email. > > I sort of agree about partition size, but audio files can be very big > - 200 Megs or more. Then you need Samplitude project files, maybe a > backup or two, and so on. Big partitions with big block sizes are > useful for this stuff. > Image projects can be quite big too, if you are working at print > resolutions. > But for normal Programs partitions, yes 600Meg is big > enough, and fits on a CD for backup. > > Regards > -- > Don Cox > doncox@enterprise.net > > ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From doncox@enterprise.net Mon, 22 Jun 1998 16:57:15 +0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2829 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2830 (database) From: Don Cox To: studio16 Subject: Re: woes Date: Mon, 22 Jun 98 17:57:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA23371for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 17:35:59 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA19440for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 19:16:01 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 590dea69b5e49f75ee5ec05940069480 On 22-Jun-98, William Dunn wrote: > QB Tools is not friendly with OS 3.1 Had to re-format partition after > using same. Odd. I use it regularly with 3.1. The old version doesn't understand International mode, though. I always format with International and Directory Cache off anyway. Regards -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From beachler@iastate.edu Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:00:10 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2831 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2832 (database) From: Rich Beachler To: studio16 Subject: Re: SMPTE_Out Generator + Mixer Date: Mon, 22 Jun 98 20:00:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA24915for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 18:54:56 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA22583for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 20:35:25 +0200 X-Sender: beachler@pop-2.iastate.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 029e8018f530596d49930abd31a746d6 Hello Serge, >Speaking of the Mixer tool. One question: > >1. I've noticed that using the Grouping option (yellow) in the >Mixer windows during playback tends to lock up my system. I can >reproduce fairly consistently. It usually happens whenever I >try to record an automated mixdown sequence, and I play with >the volumes which have been grouped together. I'm using v 3.01. >Anyone concur? Any fixes (besides NOT using the Grouping >option)? :>) I also suffer from this bug. I have heard others also mention this. In fact, one other user once (jokingly) asked if the lock option in the mixer meant "lock up your system". Sorry I don't have an option. I just quit using this feature. I did try having only the mixer and cuelist window open in Studio16 but still had lockups. Rich Beachler beachler@iastate.edu ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From kenny@bgnett.no 22 Jun 98 22:45:28 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2831 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2834 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Serge A Guilbert Subject: Re: SMPTE_Out Generator + Mixer Date: Mon, 22 Jun 98 22:45:00 Message-ID: <3230.477T1428T13653469@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA27380for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 21:01:57 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA25931for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 22:41:27 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 31015d42a47418b999ccf384ee0f0cbf Serge A Guilbert wrote: Hi Serge, >1. Am looking for a way to trigger the SMPTE_Out Generator via >the cuelist (ex: press Play on the cuelist, and the SMPTE_Out >plays). You can with the new SmpteControl tool I just made. As there is no API (Applications Programming Interface) for the Cuelist editor you have to do it as this: Start SmpteCTRL with gui and set source to be "SMPTE Output" (you have to set source from the CLI line or it will use current SmpteSink source). Just press the Play button of SmpteCTRL and both SmpteOutput and the cuelist will start playing as the Cuelist editor will slave to current SmpteSink. You can also store five timecodes locally for SmpteCTRL which you can jump to with a single button push (new snapshot of GUI: http://www.bgnett.no/~kenny/smptectrl.gif ). OR the more complicated solution: - Add an arexx track in the cuelist editor - Add an entry where you address the SmpteControl program like for example: rx 'address command SmpteCTRL PLAY setsource "SMPTE Output"' This entry could be placed at the beginning of the cuelist. I'm in fact not sure if you can execute dos comands directly from the arexx track entry, but if so just use: SmpteCTRL play setsource "SMPTE Output" This solution require the SmpteCTRL program only. >2. Am looking for a way to get the SMPTE_Out Generator memory >locations to automatically read the 10 cuelist flags. That is not possible. This can however be solved like this (as above with the SmpteCTRL GUI or): A QMaster script can extract the F flag you want and execute SmpteControl to goto the SMPTE timecode you want. The usage would be like (from CLI): 1> rx GetFlag 2 The SmpteCTRL program will only need: SmpteCTRL SetSMPTE "hh:mm:ss:ff" in the script (I can even make the script for you and any other who is interrested). Then the script would set the time for SmpteOutput as target (and any other SmpteSinks if wanted). You will need to specify a cuelist file for the script of course due to lack of API as mentioned above (I will try to add a hack to QMaster to allow it to extract the current loaded cuelist file if the editor is running, but that is future..). This solution would require both QMaster and SmpteCTRL. SmpteCTRL is commercial at a ~USD10. QMaster is shareware at ~USD52 (which include future updates and a GUI if made). >discussed to death, I apologize in advance. No problem Serge. I know you're a busy guy. >the volumes which have been grouped together. I'm using v 3.01. >Anyone concur? Any fixes (besides NOT using the Grouping >option)? :>) Must be a 'plain' bug or an overload problem. However, current status from the survey shows that a new mixer module will get a high pri so we'll have to see ;) It /is/ possible with a workaround too such as a new module which listen to volume and pan changes, allow user to group channelfaders via just group buttons in the new module and when the new module get notified it can redirect the new volume/pan data to the other channel(s) it is suppose to be grouped with. However, as we don't know if it is an overload problem or a 'pure' bug in the mixer module I will rather wait till a new mixer module can be made (if any will be made that is..). - Kenny ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From turk@gulftel.com Mon, 22 Jun 1998 20:50:05 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2829 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2835 (database) From: CMM To: studio16 Subject: Re[2]: woes Date: Tue, 23 Jun 98 03:50:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id BAA02315for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 01:53:02 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA29942for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 03:31:19 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview3 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: CMM MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 169c44eed4f1a8adaeadc7d13fd1c83d On 22-Jun-98, William Dunn wrote: > QB Tools is not friendly with OS 3.1 Had to re-format partition after > using same. > > Don Cox wrote: > >> On 20-Jun-98, CMM wrote: >> >>> My God it that were to get corrupted using FFS and have >>> to be repaired even a 500MB system would take hours to >>> repair. It would take days to repair a 2GB, 3GB, 4GB >>> partition >> >> Only if you use Disksalv. Quarterback Tools (old version) is much >> quicker. Ummm I dont know about that. I used to use Quaterback Tools when I was still using FFS and I found it to be much, much slower than Disksalv. >> >> BTW has anyone got a version of QB Tools DeLuxe that works? Mine gives >> up after doing a part of the drive with some message about Cannot get >> cache. I cannot get any answer from Quasar on the phone or email. >> >> I sort of agree about partition size, but audio files can be very big >> - 200 Megs or more. Then you need Samplitude project files, maybe a >> backup or two, and so on. Big partitions with big block sizes are >> useful for this stuff. >> Image projects can be quite big too, if you are working at print >> resolutions. >> But for normal Programs partitions, yes 600Meg is big >> enough, and fits on a CD for backup. >> ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From fw@well.com Mon, 22 Jun 1998 23:55:43 -0700 (PDT) X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2825 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2836 (database) From: Fred Wright To: studio16 Subject: Re: HD fragmentation Date: Tue, 23 Jun 98 07:55:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id GAA07400for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 06:57:04 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA02198for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 08:36:28 +0200 X-Sender: fw@paix-alg-gw1-46.ncal.verio.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 81c056b58b613a5f1377e322f5a8bac2 On Mon, 22 Jun 1998, Don Cox wrote: > The ability to reconstruct the disk structure from any file makes up > for its slowness, in my opinion. Even if the root block has gone, you > can get everything back. That's worth a lot. > I can remember spending whole evenings trying to get files back off > corrupted cp/m floppies, with a traditional "directory track" > arrangement. The disk structure was one of the main things that sold > me on Amigas. Disksalv version 1 - wonderful! The reconstructability of the the file system depends mainly on the degree of redundancy involved. It does *not* require splattering each directory all over the disk. There are other file systems with concentrated directory formats that still have the ability to recover from many types of directory damage. Note that the ability to reconstruct files from *data blocks* alone disappeared with FFS. If you want that degree of redundancy, you have to use OFS. > Well, they didn't work in the same building (or country) as Jay Miner > and Carl S, but if they developed a big part of the Amiga OS they > count as Amiga developers. And the Cambridge Ring was a pioneering > setup in its day, too. My point is that AmigaDOS wasn't designed for the Amiga at all. If the AmigaOS project hadn't gotten so far behind schedule, the DOS part would have been written from scratch for the Amiga. But instead, one of two major shifts in the Amiga project was porting an existing DOS (TripOS) to the Amiga, BCPLisms and all. The on-disk bucket-sorted hash table directory structure was clearly designed for simplicity, with an almost complete disregard for performance. An exception is the rare case of non-wildcarded lookups in very deep subdirectory structures with very few entries in any given directory, where it actually performs better than most other file structures. Too bad that hardly ever happens. Fred Wright ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From fw@well.com Tue, 23 Jun 1998 00:04:56 -0700 (PDT) X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2826 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2837 (database) From: Fred Wright To: studio16 Subject: Re: HD fragmentation Date: Tue, 23 Jun 98 08:04:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id HAA07632for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 07:05:00 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA02302for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 08:45:40 +0200 X-Sender: fw@paix-alg-gw1-46.ncal.verio.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 5c4c7633be9f672939d0f74cb7c8c20d On Sun, 21 Jun 1998, James wrote: > Curious about one item above. One of the settings for my A4000-Tower > (real tower not homegrown ;-) is setting SCSI-2 tagged queuing. > Is this merely just a named function without any support code in > the device driver or is it really there? I have no idea how to test whether > it can be used or not but it is on. I don't know for sure, but I've never seen any mention in developer documentation of tagged queueing support, and since some tagged queuing modes may result in behavior unlike what the programmer might expect, it *ought* to be mentioned. It wouldn't be the first time a configuration option was implemented without any code to actually use it - note the "Fast SCSI" enable in the A3000 NVRAM, even though the A3000 SCSI is physically incapable of Fast SCSI. Testing it reliably is tricky, since it interacts a lot with the drive's firmware. Essentially you're giving the drive multiple commands to process as it deems appropriate, but constructing a case where it's guaranteed to take advantage of this may not be easy. Of course if you have a SCSI analyzer you could look. :-) Fred Wright ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From fw@well.com Tue, 23 Jun 1998 00:30:56 -0700 (PDT) X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2830 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2838 (database) From: Fred Wright To: studio16 Subject: Re: woes Date: Tue, 23 Jun 98 08:30:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id HAA08218for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 07:31:05 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA02644for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:11:42 +0200 X-Sender: fw@paix-alg-gw1-46.ncal.verio.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: e3ae198cfa176a378875b23509a41efc On Mon, 22 Jun 1998, Don Cox wrote: > On 22-Jun-98, William Dunn wrote: > > QB Tools is not friendly with OS 3.1 Had to re-format partition > after > > using same. > > Odd. I use it regularly with 3.1. The old version doesn't understand > International mode, though. I always format with International and > Directory Cache off anyway. Yep. What makes it especially insidious is that you can turn on International mode, and it will still work provided that there are no filenames anywhere in the partition with alphabetic international characters (it's probbaly just the lower-case ones that cause trouble). As soon as you create a file or directory name affected by the hashing change, old disk utilities choke. A Workbench partition is guaranteed to fail if you install all the catalogs. Fred Wright ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From jamesvig@home.com Tue, 23 Jun 1998 00:53:14 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2839 (database) From: James To: studio16 Subject: Re: HD fragmentation Date: Tue, 23 Jun 98 08:53:00 Message-ID: <19980623075553.AAA25346@cx78040-a.fed1.sdca.home.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id HAA08883for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 07:56:25 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA03385for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:36:55 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 46bda72f3a6b3f8d85ffd859f1975681 >> Curious about one item above. One of the settings for my A4000-Tower >> (real tower not homegrown ;-) is setting SCSI-2 tagged queuing. >> Is this merely just a named function without any support code in >> the device driver or is it really there? I have no idea how to test whether >> it can be used or not but it is on. > >I don't know for sure, but I've never seen any mention in developer >documentation of tagged queueing support, and since some tagged queuing >modes may result in behavior unlike what the programmer might expect, it >*ought* to be mentioned. It wouldn't be the first time a configuration >option was implemented without any code to actually use it - note the >"Fast SCSI" enable in the A3000 NVRAM, even though the A3000 SCSI is >physically incapable of Fast SCSI. > >Testing it reliably is tricky, since it interacts a lot with the drive's >firmware. Essentially you're giving the drive multiple commands to >process as it deems appropriate, but constructing a case where it's >guaranteed to take advantage of this may not be easy. Of course if you >have a SCSI analyzer you could look. :-) > > Fred Wright Well just so happened that I was going to buy an analyzer ($50) to check the signaling on my errrrr, long SCSI chain to see what kind of degradation is happening at the term points. I didn't know that I could check the usage of tagged queuing. The analyzer in question monitors proper termination, voltage, traffic, errors (I assume reported by either the controller or HD directly) Will have to check the specs to see about the above monitoring item. My current SCSI chain is just outside the 3 meter limits but seems to work well, might have to do with active termination maintained at each end. ;-) James Vigliotti ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From doncox@enterprise.net Tue, 23 Jun 1998 10:00:56 +0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2839 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2840 (database) From: Don Cox To: studio16 Subject: Re: HD fragmentation Date: Tue, 23 Jun 98 11:00:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id KAA12371for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 10:06:35 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA05148for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 11:46:56 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 39aef41c836fd0a3088e720e75d72bb0 On 23-Jun-98, James wrote: > Well just so happened that I was going to buy an analyzer ($50) to > check the signaling on my errrrr, long SCSI chain to see > what kind of degradation is happening at the term points. > I didn't know that I could check the usage of tagged queuing. > The analyzer in question monitors proper termination, voltage, > traffic, errors (I assume reported by either the controller or HD directly) > Will have to check the specs to see about the above monitoring > item. My current SCSI chain is just outside the 3 meter limits > but seems to work well, might have to do with active termination > maintained at each end. ;-) Has anyone here tried Forced Perfect SCSI termination? It looks good, but I haven't found anyone in the UK selling the terminators yet. (Ordinary terminator is just resistors, active is a voltage regulator, FP uses diodes plus some intelligence.) Regards -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From MAJOR1TOM@aol.com Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:12:28 EDT X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2841 (database) From: MAJOR1TOM To: studio16 Subject: Trigger AD516 via MIDI? Date: Tue, 23 Jun 98 18:12:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA23051for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 17:14:33 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA13172for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:54:21 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: c5ebf728f47a3de54008837c38428d2b Hi all, I would like to use the AD516 to play samples when triggered by a MIDI keyboard. I currently use Clarity16 for this, and recently purchased an AD516 with Studio 16 3.01b. I like the sound of the AD516 but must have the ability to use MIDI to tell the AD516 what sample to play. I do sound FX for live performances (plays). I normally have 20 or more songs and FX In RAM at a time and need Instant access to them. Thanks in advance, Monty A3000/030, AD516, 128MB fastram. A4000/040, Warped Toaster, 64MB fastram. ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From kenny@bgnett.no 23 Jun 98 20:18:53 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2841 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2844 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: MAJOR1TOM Subject: Re: Trigger AD516 via MIDI? Date: Tue, 23 Jun 98 20:18:01 Message-ID: <863.478T2652T12184441@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA24362for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:24:44 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA14661for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:04:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: b3c1abd88fb2d5ee24e3d97ff117bc05 MAJOR1TOM wrote: >the ability to use MIDI to tell the AD516 what sample to play. I do sound >FX for live performances (plays). I normally have 20 or more songs and FX >In RAM at a time and need Instant access to them. Hi Monty, it doesn't exist any tools like this today for Studio 16 as far as I know of (maybe Bars and Pipes can be used for this - anyone ??) However, there is no problem to create a tool which monitor MIDI note messages and loads and plays a sample, but the current design of the Studio 16 software doesn't allow instant triggering as it loads sample datas from disk. If a small delay is ok (2-5 seconds depending on HD and CPU) this can be achieved. Only upto 8 samples can be played simultainously though. What is more convinient - triggering on program change or note ? Are there more peoples who needs a tool like this ? - Kenny ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From doncox@enterprise.net Tue, 23 Jun 1998 19:43:28 +0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2844 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2845 (database) From: Don Cox To: studio16 Subject: Re: Trigger AD516 via MIDI? Date: Tue, 23 Jun 98 20:43:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA26077for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:59:39 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA14910for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:40:11 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 968be7106772c181c5c4ba4f4aa84958 On 23-Jun-98, Kenny Nilsen wrote: > MAJOR1TOM wrote: >> the ability to use MIDI to tell the AD516 what sample to play. I do sound >> FX for live performances (plays). I normally have 20 or more songs and FX >> In RAM at a time and need Instant access to them. > > it doesn't exist any tools like this today for Studio 16 as far as I know of > (maybe Bars and Pipes can be used for this - anyone ??) There's plenty of stuff for running Bars&Pipes and Studio 16 on the same screen and synced together. The Sunrize Out tool allows you to make a list of AD516 samples matched against music notes. Having made the list, you use the Media Madness editor (film strip icon) to place them on tracks. You can use this tool in B&P without opening up the Studio16 windows. If you want more info, mail me direct. > Regards -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From fw@well.com Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:08:15 -0700 (PDT) X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2839 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2846 (database) From: Fred Wright To: studio16 Subject: Re: HD fragmentation Date: Tue, 23 Jun 98 21:08:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id UAA27220for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:08:42 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA15395for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 21:49:06 +0200 X-Sender: fw@paix-alg-gw1-43.ncal.verio.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 660c2d302dd2709af960dc5dabb7bd3b On Tue, 23 Jun 1998, James wrote: > Well just so happened that I was going to buy an analyzer ($50) to > check the signaling on my errrrr, long SCSI chain to see > what kind of degradation is happening at the term points. > I didn't know that I could check the usage of tagged queuing. I wouldn't expect any analyzer costing $50 to do this. I was referring to the gadgets that are essentially logic analyzers optimized for SCSI use. These can do things like display the complete sequence of messages that passed over the bus, etc. > The analyzer in question monitors proper termination, voltage, > traffic, errors (I assume reported by either the controller or HD directly) For that price, I would guess that "errors" only refers to low-level protocol violations and parity errors. It might also note CHECK CONDITION status, but not all those are really errors, and I wouldn't expect a $50 box to be able to analyze the data from REQUEST SENSE. > Will have to check the specs to see about the above monitoring > item. My current SCSI chain is just outside the 3 meter limits > but seems to work well, might have to do with active termination > maintained at each end. ;-) One can often get away with pushing those kinds of limits, although it's not a good idea to assume that you can. Fred Wright ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From fw@well.com Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:17:37 -0700 (PDT) X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2840 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2847 (database) From: Fred Wright To: studio16 Subject: Re: HD fragmentation Date: Tue, 23 Jun 98 21:17:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id UAA27394for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:17:55 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA15459for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 21:58:32 +0200 X-Sender: fw@paix-alg-gw1-43.ncal.verio.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 06170cbf3af1589baca61d026e275fc8 On Tue, 23 Jun 1998, Don Cox wrote: > Has anyone here tried Forced Perfect SCSI termination? It looks good, > but I haven't found anyone in the UK selling the terminators yet. I'd want to know more about what it's really doing. > (Ordinary terminator is just resistors, active is a voltage regulator, > FP uses diodes plus some intelligence.) Active is a voltage regulator *and* resistors. The switchable active terminators need some kind of switching circuit for each signal. Fred Wright ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From jamesa@chilli.net.au Wed, 24 Jun 1998 08:34:07 +1000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2841 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2848 (database) From: James Anderson To: studio16 Subject: Re: Trigger AD516 via MIDI? Date: Tue, 23 Jun 98 23:34:00 Message-ID: <199806240834070630.002C2B0A@mail.chilli.net.au> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id WAA00005for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 22:34:58 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA17561for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:14:48 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Calypso Lite Version 2.40.40 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id AAA17558 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: d000875ce9cc1f009d80650056bd896c On 23/6/98, at 1:12 PM, MAJOR1TOM@aol.com wrote: >Hi all, >I would like to use the AD516 to play samples when triggered by a MIDI >keyboard. I currently use Clarity16 for this, and recently purchased an >AD516 with Studio 16 3.01b. I like the sound of the AD516 but must have >the ability to use MIDI to tell the AD516 what sample to play. I do sound >FX for live performances (plays). I normally have 20 or more songs and FX >In RAM at a time and need Instant access to them. > >Thanks in advance, > Monty >A3000/030, AD516, 128MB fastram. >A4000/040, Warped Toaster, 64MB fastram. > >** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** Yes I think you can, Version 2 of the studio 16 software included a Bars and pipes tool called SunRize out. It allows you to assign up to 128 samples ao midi notes it also responds to volume and pan control changes. Unfortunately this feature was dropped for version 3 and will not work if you have any tools or accesories loaded from version 3. Version 2 also has realtime effects which are a bit of fun but not all that usefull. So all you need do now is track down a copy. Good luck, James ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From doncox@enterprise.net Tue, 23 Jun 1998 23:03:28 +0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2847 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2850 (database) From: Don Cox To: studio16 Subject: Re: HD fragmentation Date: Wed, 24 Jun 98 00:03:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id LAA15563for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:06:57 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA02438for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 12:45:08 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 27793687ddb1333311203e6d20144606 On 23-Jun-98, Fred Wright wrote: >> Has anyone here tried Forced Perfect SCSI termination? It looks good, >> but I haven't found anyone in the UK selling the terminators yet. > > I'd want to know more about what it's really doing. See www.maxcomp.com/tips/ftp.htm www.jmr.com/1705.htm > >> (Ordinary terminator is just resistors, active is a voltage regulator, >> FP uses diodes plus some intelligence.) > > Active is a voltage regulator *and* resistors. The switchable active > terminators need some kind of switching circuit for each signal. I should have said "adds" a voltage regukator. Regards -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From kenny@bgnett.no 24 Jun 98 18:50:27 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2853 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: All Subject: Re: HD fragmentation Date: Wed, 24 Jun 98 18:50:00 Message-ID: <72.479T1392T11303089@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id UAA29733for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 20:28:03 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA18904for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 22:26:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 16e7094a1a52f0e101c14f220a95c8f7 Please move this thread to a more suitable forum. Thank you. - Kenny ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From kenny@bgnett.no 25 Jun 98 00:36:31 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2855 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: All Subject: SURVEY Date: Thu, 25 Jun 98 00:36:00 Message-ID: <803.480T1581T363130@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id DAA06953for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 03:24:43 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA29553for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 05:23:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 0c6f85e3079ab0eb00abef006d725516 STUDIO 16 SURVEY ---------------- A small survey is available at http://www.bgnett.no/~kenny/survey.html - WHO SHOULD TAKE PART ? ANYONE interrested in seeing Studio 16 add-ons, users and developers. Third parties are welcome to take part as well. - WHY ? The result of this survey will determine further development of software for the Studio 16 environment. It also help to prioritizing what should be developed first and to determine the users' interrest. - WHEN ? Go now! The last chance to take part will be the 15th of July. Please answer every question (radio buttons). Wish and comment are optional. If you have already answered you don't need nor should, answer again. This reminder will be posted every week until the 15th/July, and when new users subscribe to this list. - Kenny ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From luca_b46@hotmail.com Fri, 26 Jun 1998 02:35:24 PDT X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2860 (database) From: Luca Barbetti To: studio16 Subject: My AD1012 Audio Card and 64/128K RAM chips fix Date: Fri, 26 Jun 98 10:35:00 Message-ID: <19980626093524.24241.qmail@hotmail.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id JAA13877for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:37:16 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA30744for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:35:46 +0200 X-Originating-IP: [194.133.147.99] Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: df8f0be42dc21018ed7f119ec508df94 Hello S16 ML users, with this I want to thank all who helped me to fix my problem with the AD1012 card not working (with original 32K RAM chips) with S16 SW version 3.01. I have replaced those chips with 128Kx8 chips and.... BINGO!!! My card now happily works with this great piece of SW. On a personal note, wish therefore to thank all users who sent me the informations on how to upgrade the card. Luca Barbetti luca_b46@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From tc_silvey@juno.com Fri, 26 Jun 1998 07:16:58 -0400 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2859 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2861 (database) From: troy silvey To: studio16 Subject: Re: Mixer Tiny Wish List Date: Fri, 26 Jun 98 12:16:01 Message-ID: <19980626.072503.3726.0.tc_silvey@juno.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (root@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA26736for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 18:32:13 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA32535for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:27:52 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-11 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 4f9b458922f2d17b96046f1632d7047e >Speaking of a Mixer wish list. I wish someone >could straighten out the apparent bug that >prevents you from saving the mixer settings. >This to me would be a very useful feature. The mixer setting are kind tricky to work with, but I am able to save dynamic mixer settings. A very cool thing to use. You do have to set a couple or choices in the project options before it pays attention to your settings though. troy _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From kenny@bgnett.no 28 Jun 98 12:02:25 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2864 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: All Subject: ANNOUNCE: SmpteCTRL 1.11 update Date: Sun, 28 Jun 98 12:02:00 Message-ID: <1922.483T1296T7223225@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id KAA03343for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 10:06:21 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA19935for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 12:03:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: f35c4f363aa06a34e27ebd5db8166624 SmpteCTRL version 1.11 is now available from author. Features: - Two interfaces (CLI and a Graphical User Interface) CLI: - transport control (play/stop/ff/rew) - smpte control (set SMPTE timecode) - source control (SmpteSink) - start gui GUI: - menus with transport control and memory bank - buttons with transport control and memory bank - icon tooltypes to configure SmpteCTRL - can start with project icon containing another config than its own icon. - can open on any publicscreen (Workbench, Studio 16, Bars&Pipes etc.) - window placement control - special gui color layout support for Studio 16 screen - Memory bank to store and recall SMPTE timecodes - Can control any SmpteSink that uses studio.library for Studio 16 version 3. - Tested and works with: - Internal sync - Smpte Output - Bars and Pipes PRO - PAR SmpteCTRL will cost USD 10 including exchange fee, handling and future updates. You can pay cash or by a money order made payable to: Kenneth Chr. Nilsen Skinstadgaarden N-3270 Vikersund Norway You may send cash (no coins!) at your own risk - you can pay with the following currencies (value will vary as only paper money is accepted): USD 10 UKP 10 DM 20 NOK 50 SEK 70 For money order you will need to convert USD 10 to your own currency. Please state full name and address with your order and that the order is for SmpteCTRL. Order by email at kenny@bgnett.no . - Kenny ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From westdunn@cyberus.ca Mon, 29 Jun 1998 10:25:18 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2864 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2865 (database) From: William Dunn To: studio16 Subject: Re: pops and clicks Date: Mon, 29 Jun 98 18:25:00 Message-ID: <3597CDFD.5920A099@cyberus.ca> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id OAA05534for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:33:45 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA15250for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 16:30:54 +0200 Organization: West/Dunn productions X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1922.483T1296T7223225@bgnett.no> Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 837704ad4c753c69552c082bc0975fa5 Kenny Do you know of any software for the Amiga to edit pops, hiss, clicks and noise from old records? I can't see me free hand drawing the wave in Studio16. Also on the mixer redo it would be great to assign or allocate what channel the sample will play on. This would allow mixing sheets to be used on longer projects. Also opn our hi8 system the smpte tracking via Horita not reliable. Thanks Bill Dunn ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From westdunn@cyberus.ca Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:05:29 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2865 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2866 (database) From: William Dunn To: studio16 Subject: Re: pops and clicks Date: Mon, 29 Jun 98 19:05:00 Message-ID: <3597D769.E9A637CA@cyberus.ca> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id PAA06337for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 15:11:21 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA16261for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 17:10:55 +0200 Organization: West/Dunn productions X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1922.483T1296T7223225@bgnett.no> <3597CDFD.5920A099@cyberus.ca> Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 4755380f711c6420e039338ad8f43b39 William Dunn wrote: > Kenny > > Do you know of any software for the Amiga to edit pops, hiss, clicks and noise > from old records? I can't see me free hand drawing the wave in Studio16. > Also on the mixer redo it would be great to assign or allocate what channel the > sample will play on. This would allow mixing sheets to be used on longer > projects. Also opn our hi8 system the smpte tracking via Horita not reliable. > > Thanks > > Bill Dunn > > ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From kenny@bgnett.no 29 Jun 98 18:32:25 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2865 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2868 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: William Dunn Subject: Re: pops and clicks Date: Mon, 29 Jun 98 18:32:00 Message-ID: <874.484T1272T11123105@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id QAA08118for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 16:34:39 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA18573for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 18:33:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 0d509740d01e8af4ed4296c08d0bae78 William Dunn wrote: Hello Bill, >Do you know of any software for the Amiga to edit pops, hiss, clicks and >noise from old records? I am not aware of any concrete packages that allows this - someone who knows? I have heard AudioLab can do some noise-reduction pretty well though. >Also on the mixer redo it would be great to assign or allocate what channel >the sample will play on. This would allow mixing sheets to be used on >longer projects. Unfortunately in this case it isn't the mixer which allocates the channels. The mixer just listen for volume/pan change-messages and sends messages when the faders are altered. However, an own button in conjunction with a fader can be implemented for playing a sample at the channel the fader represents. >Also opn our hi8 system the smpte tracking via Horita not reliable. Sorry, can't help you here. regards, - Kenny ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From net@dutch.nl Tue, 30 Jun 1998 20:21:38 +0900 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2869 (database) From: Rene' Schaap To: studio16 Subject: RE: pops and clicks Date: Tue, 30 Jun 98 12:21:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA10269for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 18:23:31 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA21306for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 20:22:29 +0200 X-ROUTED: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 20:24:00 0000 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Net X-Mailer: AEMail (Amiga EMail), Version 1.51, (c) 1997-1998 by John F. Zacharias Organization: No Empty Tape Productions Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 7c535b8375a49cf1efd33fb8b8434058 On Sun, Jun 29, 1998, at 06:32 PM, Kenny Nilsen wrote: > William Dunn wrote: > > Hello Bill, > > >Do you know of any software for the Amiga to edit pops, hiss, clicks and > >noise from old records? > > I am not aware of any concrete packages that allows this - someone who > knows? I have heard AudioLab can do some noise-reduction pretty well > though. Ok here, Try the following software: Audiolab with FIR filterdesign (Aminet) for some nice filtering, there is also some clicks and pops removal. SoundProbe, just try it. Samplitude, a demo is on Aminet. With these four packages you can declick en depop as much as you want. Another way is via the Shapeshifter, there are a lot of shareware packages for the Mac on the internet with Declick and depop. Just try them, ill use them for my Remix projects, most Trance and Techno comes from 12inch records, with a olt of popping and clicking. Succes with your quest, Rene'(DSP) Schaap --------------------------------------------------------------- NEW VOICE AND FAX NUMBERS FOR THE N.E.T. PRODUCTIONS !!!!!!!!! PLEASE UPDATE THEM IN YOUR AGENDA, DATABASE. ETC ETC. --------------------------------------------------------------- _ ( ) No Empty tape Productions. ------------------------------ Get your Masterplan ready for the interactive decade. Email : net@Dutch.nl Homepage: http://www.dutch.nl/net Voice : 0031 (0)35 52 44 6 88 (ISDN) FAX : 0031 (0)35 52 44 6 89 ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From Cecilia@vgn.com 29 Jun 1998 19:59:10 PST X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2870 (database) From: Cecilia To: studio16 Subject: midi Date: Tue, 30 Jun 98 04:59:00 Message-ID: <199806300647.IAA05153@odin.thule.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id GAA24565for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 06:49:37 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA05159for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 08:47:42 +0200 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 384a812ddb6b55044659844386d485aa Hi folks, a friend of mine wants to build a midi box ("for under $20") and asked me to get an aminet file. SwG-Mbox.lha to be exact. I tried but got a "not here, buddy" response. (ftp'ed to the big aminet site in the us). Does anyone know of where this file may be, aside from "hard/hack", or if any other files may be useful. I'm not sure exactly what he wants to do, but I could ask if need be. cecilia ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial)