From greenboy@bigsky.net Tue, 31 Mar 1998 08:12:34 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2094 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2095 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: Software Interfaces Date: Tue, 31 Mar 98 16:12:00 Message-ID: <352107E2.64AF3A0E@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id PAA16484for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:12:59 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA08730for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:14:53 +0200 Organization: Team AMIGA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <01BD5C7C.A95D3540@gclink.avenor.com> Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 935d9939dc52c75c62fa1c83ab3276a5 Gord Clink wrote: >Personally I prefer the interface style used by Studio16.... Very >straight forward, but nice to look at too. I find the Bars&Pipes >interface too cluttery for my taste. Lots of color can be nice though, >if used properly! Hi Gord! The Studio16 interface is nice. After seeing some on other platforms, i found that release was a real eye-pleaser. And for its time, it was designed well for getting some things done. But if B&P is cluttered, it is because midi programs need to display quite a bit of information as well as offer control. Compared to S16, any sequencer, especially one with windows, looks cluttered. I really prefer user-configurability myself. Directory Opus Magellan or some of the larger MUI apps like IBrowse allow the user to see what they want to see, and use the model of control that works best for them. DOpus probably would be improved with even user-configurable menus, and it binds a few keyboard shortcuts I wish I could change, but the vast (99.9%) of them are assignable. IBrowse allows one to easily move the controls and displays around in the window, or run only those one wants. FI, I have no navigation controls, waitanim, quicklink buttons, or any of the other stuff you see in a browser. It is Spartan! But all that stuff is just in the way for doing what a browser is designed to do: read html. I can see a large amount of a page at one time at 1024x768, and there are so few navigation key shortcuts to remember. So that's IBrowse. In another prog I might look rather florid in comparison. I would still want to see lots of information, but might need more controls available at one time. Each of the best sequencer programs has a nice twist here and there on mouse use; so do some of the sample editors and midi patch-editors. But to be able to make your own environment easily allows the program to be a real productive friend. It probably makes the evolution of the artist/user more natural as well. I have tweaked on my Directory Opus setup since the first release many years ago. As my needs changed or I thought of a better way to do something, I made it so. If something would be cool, I made that so. GPSoft didn't need to do revision after revision for the program's usefulness to improve--they could concentrate on other matters. An aside: When one sees the Windozzze 1895 interface, a few things seem pretty decent. But wow, what opaque windows these are! Someone painted 'em; file management and disk-management on the PC is a joke! I know that fits somewhere into the discussion of interface. ;^) Take care, buddy! ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From gclink@dryden.net Tue, 31 Mar 1998 10:50:17 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2096 (database) From: Gord Clink To: 'studio16@thule.no' Subject: Drifting Date: Tue, 31 Mar 98 17:50:00 Message-ID: <01BD5C92.CB7401C0@gclink.avenor.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id QAA19110for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:51:29 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA09481for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 18:53:02 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: bastionhost.avenor.com: Host [10.100.240.153] claimed to be gclink.avenor.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id SAA09476 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 0f716f737701d923547c653e7979712c When syncing my AD516 to my 8-track reel-reel, everything works great. Everything is in sync. But the other day we recorded a song.... Drums and SMPTE time code on the reel-reel, and vocals, keys, hats, & cymbals on Studio16. Everything was synced up great, we played it back over and over again, 30 or 40 times, getting a good mix. We dumped it to a cassette.... No problem. Then a week later we load everything up, and played back our recording. And the reel-reel was out of sync by about one frame (24fps), as well as it started drifting. By the end of the song, it was really drifted bad. Any ideas as to why? Gord Clink ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From sag@cae.ca Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:11:35 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2097 (database) From: Serge A Guilbert To: studio16 Subject: Mixer -Reply Date: Tue, 31 Mar 98 20:11:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id UAA24813for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 20:08:20 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA12189for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:09:23 +0200 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 66a426dde0b6c7e3f0b69e988f983ceb -->I've noticed when you play a sample in the sample editor, it shows up then, but -->not from the cue list. I've got the same problem. It works with the Sample list, but not the Cuelist. If you look at the manual, it states specifically that it will show files from the "Sample List". I guess it's meant to be taken literally. :>) SAG Any suggestions? Gord Clink ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From hanssen@plex.nl Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:59:06 (+0100) X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2096 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2099 (database) From: Job Hanssen To: studio16 Subject: Re: Drifting Date: Wed, 1 Apr 98 00:59:00 Message-ID: <19980331.8578058.152B0@Spider.UUCP> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id WAA27937for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:00:51 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA13773for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:02:09 +0200 X-Disclaimer: Plex is a public access Internet provider Organization: Job Dimensional Computing MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Serious Voodoo Voodoo 1.285 (Registered to Job Hanssen ) X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id AAA13771 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 8c0918f80974c03ae35854ffd6ffd811 Gord Clink wrote about Drifting: > Then a week later we load everything up, and played back our > recording. And the reel-reel was out of sync by about one frame (24fps), as > well as it started drifting. By the end of the song, it was really drifted > bad. > > Any ideas as to why? Have a look at your Studio16 preference-settings. It could be that accidently changed the SMPTE-settings to 24fps, while you recorded everything in 25fps (or the other way around). > Gord Clink -- Job Hanssen - hanssen@dds.nl Job Dimensional Computing - computer graphics design and production. ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From tc_silvey@juno.com Tue, 31 Mar 1998 20:27:10 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2069 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2100 (database) From: troy silvey To: studio16 Subject: Re: Scala: A better way!! Date: Wed, 1 Apr 98 02:27:00 Message-ID: <19980331.202712.9614.0.tc_silvey@juno.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (root@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id BAA01611for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 01:45:48 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA17581for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 03:24:50 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-9 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: cb43176e42054156d0f2cf8eb16002d5 >I've noticed that after you load the studio16 EX, if you go to scala's >system menu then go to the timeing menu, you will see "Studio16 timeing"! >With this you can time scala's grafix to studio16....But, don't use what is this studio 16 EX? and where can I get It? I would like to try some presentations with scala and studio 16. troy _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From sag@cae.ca Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:26:16 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2101 (database) From: Serge A Guilbert To: studio16 Subject: Drifting -Reply Date: Wed, 1 Apr 98 04:26:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id DAA03870for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 03:32:47 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA19339for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 05:33:18 +0200 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 47f55b6cb2546704d9302325dab0e44d Sure thing. I'm assuming you're using the reel-to-reel as your SMPTE master. The most likely culprit has got to be your reel-to-reel. As we have discussed on this list previously, using your reel-to-reel as a master is dicey, at best, no matter how $$$ your reel-to-reel is. I have one of the better ones, which was brand, spanking new when I brought it in to be calibrated (just to be sure), and to my surprise, it was running a bit fast. Ideally, you should be using a hardware standalone SMPTE generator as master. If you're going to use the reel-to-reel as an open-loop SMPTE master, I believe it absolutely essential to keep it calibrated on a regular basis, and to make sure that it's properly warmed up before using it. You've also got to make sure the pinch roller, and other mechanically strained parts are cleaned, and changed at regular intervals. Parts wear down, lose calibration, and start to drift. Maybe the ear doesn't notice, but SMPTE timing requirements are a lot more discerning than the ear. In your case, the lapse of time was a week. Imagine what could happen after a year, or more. I'm going to climb down from my soapbox now. Off the cuff, perhaps your machine was not warmed up enough during one of your sessions? BTW: Keep in mind that if you do get your machine re-calibrated, all the tapes you striped before that will most probably be out of synch. SAG >>> Gord Clink 31/03/98 11:50am >>> When syncing my AD516 to my 8-track reel-reel, everything works great. Everything is in sync. But the other day we recorded a song.... Drums and SMPTE time code on the reel-reel, and vocals, keys, hats, & cymbals on Studio16. Everything was synced up great, we played it back over and over again, 30 or 40 times, getting a good mix. We dumped it to a cassette.... No problem. Then a week later we load everything up, and played back our recording. And the reel-reel was out of sync by about one frame (24fps), as well as it started drifting. By the end of the song, it was really drifted bad. Any ideas as to why? Gord Clink ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From baff@stc.net Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:55:03 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2103 (database) From: Brian Fields To: dhomas trenn Subject: EatTheEvidence Date: Tue, 31 Mar 98 18:55:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id EAA04736for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 04:29:41 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA20112for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 06:31:44 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 2817b932f3047ccdf2b0ac552529e15b Hi dhomas, Please notice my new address. baff@stc.net I no longer have to call long distance. >to you? For your eyes only. And you should probably delete it after OK. I'll burn the code and eat the ashes. Thanks for letting me see it though. I hope to have more exciting news soon. >-- >dhomas. >********************************************************************** >* * > * young monkey studios EMail: dhomas@youngmonkey.ca * > * ---------------- WWW: http://www.youngmonkey.ca/ * > * dhomas trenn * > * Snail: 797 Mitchell Street * > * Fredericton, NB * > * Phone: (506) 459-7088 CANADA E3B 3S8 * >* * >********************************************************************** TTYL -- Brian baff@stc.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From net@dutch.nl Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:35:05 +0900 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2105 (database) From: Rene' Schaap To: studio16 Subject: RE: Drifting Date: Wed, 1 Apr 98 09:35:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id PAA24885for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:36:33 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA27515for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:37:51 +0200 X-ROUTED: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:36:38 0000 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Net X-Mailer: AEMAIL (Amiga eMail), Version 1.40 (October 10 1997), (c) 1997 by John F. Zacharias Organization: No Empty Tape Productions Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 7f5102cc7649d5a0f2ce85f9bb784926 On Tue, Mar 31, 1998, at 10:50 AM, Gord Clink wrote: > When syncing my AD516 to my 8-track reel-reel, everything works great. > Everything is in sync. But the other day we recorded a song.... Drums and > SMPTE time code on the reel-reel, and vocals, keys, hats, & cymbals on > Studio16. Everything was synced up great, we played it back over and over > again, 30 or 40 times, getting a good mix. We dumped it to a cassette.... > No problem. Then a week later we load everything up, and played back our > recording. And the reel-reel was out of sync by about one frame (24fps), a > s well as it started drifting. By the end of the song, it was really > drifted bad. > > Any ideas as to why? > > Gord Clink > Maybe it's the Whether. If you recorded it on a hot day and do a playback on a cold day the reel to reel could be out of sync because it has shrinked a little bit. Even the tape has shrinked, not much but enought to get a sync problem. Because the Ad516 has no mechanical parts nor Tape, it has no sync problems when it is hot or cold. BTW, did you have a SMPTE time-code track on the TAPE or is it synced in another way. Or do you just use Punch in and Out ????? Which of the 2 is the Master en which is the Slave ???????? Succes with solving your problem. SeeYaa Rene'(DSP) Schaap _ ( ) No Empty tape Productions. ------------------------------ Get your Masterplan ready for the interactive decade. Email : net@Dutch.nl Homepage: http://www.dutch.nl/net Voice : 0031 (0)35 52 42 72 0 FAX : 0031 (0)35 52 66 31 7 ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From 74667.3434@compuserve.com Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:32:49 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2106 (database) From: charles hess <74667.3434@compuserve.com> To: studio16 Subject: Re: Software Interfaces Date: Wed, 1 Apr 98 16:32:00 Message-ID: <199804011036_MC2-3899-CE0B@compuserve.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id PAA24893for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:36:57 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA27544for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:39:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 184f00ef71c8e61fedc0944c05f02aa6 H e y , J o h n ! ``I've chatted with you a couple times on the Compuserve Amiga forums, how's tricks? ;-)'' It's the I-play-drums guy! How's it going? My current setup now is B&P, DMCS2, OSMS attached to a Fatar 610 Plus Controller on an A4000. And AD516 on my A3000, with Studio16 3.0 'cause there's no room for more boards on my A4000. Is the 3.1 version better than 3.0? Could I have both of them on the hard drive? Could I have all three (v.2.0 too)? .Greetings from W. Reading, PA!! .Charlie Hess -- Team *AMIGA* ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From gclink@dryden.net Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:51:15 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2107 (database) From: Gord Clink To: 'studio16@thule.no' Subject: RE: Drifting Date: Wed, 1 Apr 98 16:51:00 Message-ID: <01BD5D53.B72B9F40@gclink.avenor.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id PAA25290for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:53:42 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA27802for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:55:37 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: bastionhost.avenor.com: Host [10.100.240.153] claimed to be gclink.avenor.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: c30fd487ab5bf1f57b5a3cadb1ee9c5f BTW, did you have a SMPTE time-code track on the TAPE or is it synced in another way. SMPTE time code on track 4 of the reel to reel You would think that the smpte reader would produce an error if the tape shunk, but it tracks the code quite nicely!! Or do you just use Punch in and Out ????? Which of the 2 is the Master en which is the Slave ???????? The reel to reel is the master, studio16 the slave Succes with solving your problem. SeeYaa Rene'(DSP) Schaap _ ( ) No Empty tape Productions. ------------------------------ Get your Masterplan ready for the interactive decade. Email : net@Dutch.nl Homepage: http://www.dutch.nl/net Voice : 0031 (0)35 52 42 72 0 FAX : 0031 (0)35 52 66 31 7 ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From ImJohn@worldnet.att.net Wed, 01 Apr 1998 10:16:34 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2106 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2108 (database) From: John Rice To: studio16 Subject: Re: Software Interfaces Date: Wed, 1 Apr 98 19:16:00 Message-ID: <35228482.263DA644@worldnet.att.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA29211for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:12:26 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA30671for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 20:14:15 +0200 Organization: Ib Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <199804011036_MC2-3899-CE0B@compuserve.com> Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 40c692975538cb9fd8c6466fddd1ddba charles hess wrote: ! How's it going? Not to bad! > Is the 3.1 version better than 3.0? Could I have both of them on the > hard drive? Could I have all three (v.2.0 too)? I think you can have all three on there at the same time. When I first set up my system someone in the Amiga Arts forum ( John Abney I think ) was helping me with some problems and had me try something with ver. 2 and then ver. 3.1 ( turned out I just had to get the newest versions of the custom chips ) so I have both of those on there at the same time. Take care! ImJohn@worldnet.att.net .......I play drums. PS - Hey, wasn't your 'tag line' "Dr. Pepper Rules!" or was that someone else? ;-) ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From roofdoc@dircon.co.uk Thu, 02 Apr 1998 05:16:27 -0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2108 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2109 (database) From: Wayne Olding To: John Rice Subject: Studio 16 v3.1 Date: Thu, 2 Apr 98 06:16:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id FAA12522for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 05:00:47 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA04825for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 07:00:49 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: V.T.C MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 66481459e74a56cfdf4b060a99243224 On 01-Apr-98, John Rice wrote: >charles hess wrote: ! How's it going? >> Is the 3.1 version better than 3.0? Could I have both of them on the >> hard drive? Could I have all three (v.2.0 too)? Hi list, Is there really a Version 3.1 of the Studio 16 software or are some people mixing this up with version 3.01! (this is the version I have) If there really is a version 3.1 I'd be interested if someone could tell me where I might be able to get a copy? Cheers for now. -- Wayne :-) Amiga - A4000T CybStorm 060_50 + Cybscsi + CybVision3D + 2xIBM 4.3GB + SyJet 1.5GB + IIyama Pro17 + 128 Meg Ram + TBCPlus + Emplant Deluxe + Toshiba 32x SCSI CD-Rom + Yamaha CDR400t Writer + HP ScanJet 4C + Epson Stylus 800 + AD516 + OpalVision Thought: If PC's could fly, there would be a lot of air disasters... ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From gclink@dryden.net Thu, 2 Apr 1998 07:48:47 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2110 (database) From: Gord Clink To: 'studio16@thule.no' Subject: RE: Studio 16 v3.1 Date: Thu, 2 Apr 98 14:48:00 Message-ID: <01BD5E0B.C7F02FE0@gclink.avenor.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id NAA01179for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:50:48 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA10838for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:52:04 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: bastionhost.avenor.com: Host [10.100.240.153] claimed to be gclink.avenor.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id PAA10832 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 1f53dcb2173a6c30e68d1f0be691e2ed Everyone confuses 3.01 with 3.1, so I just ignore it.... I think most everyone on this list knows what your talking about if you refer to 3.1.... as this question come up about once every two weeks or so.... :) Gord ---------- From: Wayne Olding[SMTP:roofdoc@dircon.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 11:16 PM To: John Rice Subject: Studio 16 v3.1 On 01-Apr-98, John Rice wrote: >charles hess wrote: ! How's it going? >> Is the 3.1 version better than 3.0? Could I have both of them on the >> hard drive? Could I have all three (v.2.0 too)? Hi list, Is there really a Version 3.1 of the Studio 16 software or are some people mixing this up with version 3.01! (this is the version I have) If there really is a version 3.1 I'd be interested if someone could tell me where I might be able to get a copy? Cheers for now. -- Wayne :-) Amiga - A4000T CybStorm 060_50 + Cybscsi + CybVision3D + 2xIBM 4.3GB + SyJet 1.5GB + IIyama Pro17 + 128 Meg Ram + TBCPlus + Emplant Deluxe + Toshiba 32x SCSI CD-Rom + Yamaha CDR400t Writer + HP ScanJet 4C + Epson Stylus 800 + AD516 + OpalVision Thought: If PC's could fly, there would be a lot of air disasters... ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From 74667.3434@compuserve.com Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:06:22 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2111 (database) From: charles hess <74667.3434@compuserve.com> To: studio16 Subject: Studio 16 v3.1 Date: Thu, 2 Apr 98 16:06:00 Message-ID: <199804021009_MC2-38B6-5659@compuserve.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id PAA04003for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:14:33 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA11728for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:15:09 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 2cb637b42348e02f8ad7aeb2b9aef14d W a y n e , ``Is there really a Version 3.1 of the Studio 16 software or are some people mixing this up with version 3.01!'' No, there is, however, a person (me) who doesn't read version numbers closely enough! Okay, so it's v2.0, v3.0, and v3.01 correct? What kind of economical mixers are people out there using? .Greetings from W. Reading, PA!! .Charlie Hess -- Team *AMIGA* ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From 74667.3434@compuserve.com Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:06:18 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2112 (database) From: charles hess <74667.3434@compuserve.com> To: studio16 Subject: Re: Software Interfaces Date: Thu, 2 Apr 98 16:06:00 Message-ID: <199804021009_MC2-38B6-5657@compuserve.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id PAA04681for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:37:36 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA12061for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:39:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 5ce116a4c690e98bc6ce59b5c1725783 J o h n , I'm going to try to put the other versions of Studio16 onto my HD too just to see what they look like. Oh, and Dr. Pepper does rule! Now you made me have to go and get one! .Greetings from W. Reading, PA!! .Charlie Hess -- Team *AMIGA* ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From gclink@dryden.net Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:36:56 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2114 (database) From: Gord Clink To: 'studio16@thule.no' Subject: Rapture? Date: Wed, 8 Apr 98 16:36:01 Message-ID: <01BD62DA.4166F160@gclink.avenor.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id PAA18914for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:41:37 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA30266for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 17:42:22 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: bastionhost.avenor.com: Host [10.100.240.153] claimed to be gclink.avenor.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: abe4127408cc4f36bf501548194f4323 Did the rapture happen, and everyone on the mailing list accended except me? Gord ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Wed, 08 Apr 1998 10:42:41 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2114 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2115 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Rapture? Date: Wed, 8 Apr 98 17:42:00 Message-ID: <352BA901.353E004A@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id QAA20235for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:45:41 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA31482for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 18:46:06 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <01BD62DA.4166F160@gclink.avenor.com> Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: f256b9ae5f9f97df47b9e56b64243f0b Gord Clink: >Did the rapture happen, and everyone on the mailing list accended except >me? That would be the logical conclusion. ;^) Ennui, overwork, poor morale because of no further news of S16 progress--who knows? I kind of miss the discourse here; but my excuse: blown A4000 proc-board, waiting for mail-order replacement. In the meanwhile suffering through on a P2@300mhz, wishing I was using YAM and CygnusEd and IBrowse and DOpus, and had access to my email addressbook and web hotlist. BTW, digital audio hardware and software on the PC is proliferate, and some is quite good--if you don't mind plug-and-pray, unexplained system crashes and lockups, and Windozzze1895, which encourages needless complexity and bloatware. (It takes a 8-gig drive on a PC to feel like you have a 2-gig drive on Ami.) Take care, see you on the funway! -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From net@dutch.nl Wed, 8 Apr 1998 18:30:40 +0900 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2116 (database) From: Rene' Schaap To: studio16 Subject: RE: Rapture? Date: Wed, 8 Apr 98 10:30:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id QAA20439for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:58:58 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA31775for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 19:01:19 +0200 X-ROUTED: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 18:59:22 0000 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Net X-Mailer: AEMAIL (Amiga eMail), Version 1.40 (October 10 1997), (c) 1997 by John F. Zacharias Organization: No Empty Tape Productions Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 6cffb66127dd3404dd55fb6299643144 On Wed, Apr 8, 1998, at 10:36 AM, Gord Clink wrote: > Did the rapture happen, and everyone on the mailing list accended except > me? > > Gord > > > ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) No , i am here but i can hear some silence between the email. I think some of the studio16 users are busy with projects, like me. So less time to reply Email and surfing on the Internet. SeeYaa Rene'(DSP) Schaap _ ( ) No Empty tape Productions. ------------------------------ Get your Masterplan ready for the interactive decade. Email : net@Dutch.nl Homepage: http://www.dutch.nl/net Voice : 0031 (0)35 52 42 72 0 FAX : 0031 (0)35 52 66 31 7 ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From goodidea@aye.net Wed, 08 Apr 1998 13:43:38 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2116 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2117 (database) From: GOOD IDEA! To: Rene' Schaap Subject: RE: Rapture? Date: Wed, 8 Apr 98 19:43:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA21324for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 17:46:38 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA00127for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 19:49:07 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: c9a3d856d86da8bb41ff2cb5a72344cd On 08-Apr-98, Rene' Schaap wrote: >On Wed, Apr 8, 1998, at 10:36 AM, Gord Clink wrote: >> Did the rapture happen, and everyone on the mailing list accended except >> me? >> >> Gord >> >> >> ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) >No , i am here but i can hear some silence between the email. ditto -- Mark Needham GOOD IDEA! goodidea@aye.net Graphic design Photography Illustration Video Architecture Advertising Multimedia ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From gclink@dryden.net Wed, 8 Apr 1998 14:50:57 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2118 (database) From: Gord Clink To: 'studio16@thule.no' Subject: Prostation Date: Wed, 8 Apr 98 20:50:01 Message-ID: <01BD62FD.BDBEFBE0@gclink.avenor.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id TAA23746for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 19:54:10 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA02819for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:56:28 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: bastionhost.avenor.com: Host [10.100.240.153] claimed to be gclink.avenor.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: e243a0b98928391e32abf8de7acd1e17 So what's the latest on Prostation..... or will that become a reality? Gord ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From baff@mindspring.com Wed, 08 Apr 1998 17:53:27 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2115 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2120 (database) From: Brian Fields To: greenboy Subject: Re: S16> Rapture? Date: Wed, 8 Apr 98 13:53:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id BAA28294for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 01:00:47 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA09872for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 03:02:57 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: eed0ace0c947f4fdb74be4415169eb6b >Gord Clink: >>Did the rapture happen, and everyone on the mailing list accended except >>me? On 08-Apr-98, greenboy wrote: >That would be the logical conclusion. ;^) Ennui, overwork, poor morale >because of no further news of S16 progress--who knows? >I kind of miss the discourse here; but my excuse: blown A4000 proc-board, >waiting for mail-order replacement. In the meanwhile suffering through on >a P2@300mhz, wishing I was using YAM and CygnusEd and IBrowse and DOpus, >and had access to my email addressbook and web hotlist. Hi folks, I'm still here too albeit looking up from a dark hole of non-functional Broadcaster ware. National Association of Broadcasters convention meeting in Las Vegas will be over soon and hope to get some help then. Hate it that I am not in the throes of massive digital audio editing projects yet but think it will come soon enough. I hope I run Qmaster ragged! -- Brian Fields baff@mindspring.com >** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From turk@gulftel.com Wed, 08 Apr 1998 19:58:41 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2115 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2121 (database) From: CMM To: studio16 Subject: Mixers Date: Thu, 9 Apr 98 02:58:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id BAA28310for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 01:01:01 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA09899for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 03:04:05 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview3 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: CMM MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: c6d9dc3834472f59a5aaff4dd44d1e41 Someone on the list recently inquired about mixers, I can't remember who it was, but I just wanted to recommend you take a look at a Carvin catalog or the Carvin web site. I have used Carvin equipment for years and it is quality throughout and the prices cannot be touched by any other manufacturer I've ever seen. The specs on their equipment are awesome and they are not afraid to tell you what they are. I can highly recommend anything made by Carvin, Guitars, Basses, Mixers, PA, Amps, crossovers, etc. It is all top quality and the prices cannot be touched for what you get. For example the Studio Mate 16 Channel mixer for $299.00 cannot be touched even by much more expensive boards, and it is built like a tank. Anyway if you're interested check out their webpage and request a catalog. Their products are top quality with awesome specs and componets, I cannot stess this enough. And it is all made in the USA! They have been in business for 50 years. I have several items including many guitars and basses, and their equipment is the choice of many, many professional bands and musicians as well. Their website is http://www.carvin .com request a catalog and see for yourself. regards, Lee ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Wed, 08 Apr 1998 20:04:20 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2121 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2123 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Mixers and Mack trucks Date: Thu, 9 Apr 98 03:04:00 Message-ID: <352C2CA4.5614F4D@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id CAA29190for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 02:04:48 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA11083for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 04:07:33 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 6cc4203578ecc96fd05d94fc8d6a5e87 CMM wrote: >Someone on the list recently inquired about mixers, I can't remember >who it was, but I just wanted to recommend you take a look at a >Carvin catalog or the Carvin web site. I have used Carvin equipment >for years and it is quality throughout and the prices cannot be touched My Carvin 5-string bass is a tone-monster, has the greatest neck and materials, looks smashin', and cost 1/2 what the other serious basses I looked at! Peavey of course introduced a great new model right after I bought it. But when you buy a mixer, I think you need to sit down and write yourself a feature list, like--what is it that you need? Ever since Mackie entered the fray, there have been an incredible amount of sonically-superior, cheap mixers. They all have slightly different features or design philosophies, or implimentations. Peavey has always had good models for the price, as does Carvin. Now some good British companies like StudioMaster and Spirit have "cheapies" as does Behringer, Sampson (I got one of these I really like as a submixer) and many others. (Not like those nasty Fostex and Tascams that started coming out in the early midi years.) I prefer companies that have made mixers as a major part of their enterprise, as honest specs only tell part of the story. Mackie's original 1604, for instance, is especially suited for AD516 use because of its routing design, and that is one reason I purchased one. And a good midi automation option. But if it wasn't for the Carvin come-on I probably wouldn't have thrown an answer out this time around either. Asking what mixer is best is like asking, "What is the best color?" or "Who makes the best motor-vehicle?" For what--a heavy troop transport, or weekend street stock? There ain't no substitute for actually thinking about this stuff, reading reviews, learning to ask informed questions, and then--purchasing and repurchasing, always chasing the ever-receding horizon of features, specs, price-point, and status. Oops! Did I write that last part out loud? -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Wed, 08 Apr 1998 20:38:25 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2120 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2124 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Rapture? Date: Thu, 9 Apr 98 03:38:00 Message-ID: <352C34A1.9CBF1C20@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id CAA29597for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 02:38:42 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA11944for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 04:41:36 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: e1185418017320227f2b9becb08cdaf7 Gord Clink: >>>Did the rapture happen, and everyone on the mailing list accended >>>except me? greenboy (that's me!): >>That would be the logical conclusion. ;^) Ennui, overwork, poor morale >>because of no further news of S16 progress--who knows? Brian Fields: >I'm still here too albeit looking up from a dark hole of non-functional >Broadcaster ware. > > I hope I run Qmaster ragged! Are you giving it a head start, and what is the caffeine handicap? -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From 74667.3434@compuserve.com Wed, 8 Apr 1998 23:09:33 -0400 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2125 (database) From: charles hess <74667.3434@compuserve.com> To: studio16 Subject: Rapture? Date: Thu, 9 Apr 98 04:09:00 Message-ID: <199804082312_MC2-3962-AA76@compuserve.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id DAA00486for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 03:20:39 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA13204for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 05:23:01 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 3af1d7206728e5e65d80ed98980313e1 G o r d , ``Did the rapture happen, and everyone on the mailing list accended except me? Gord'' I'm here. I haven't left. But I just got here last month. Please don't tell me everybody's gone! .Greetings from W. Reading, PA!! .Charlie Hess -- Team *AMIGA* ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From turk@gulftel.com Wed, 08 Apr 1998 23:20:44 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2123 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2126 (database) From: CMM To: studio16 Subject: Re[2]: S16> Mixers and Mack trucks Date: Thu, 9 Apr 98 06:20:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id EAA01335for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 04:23:33 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA14507for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 06:26:14 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview3 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: CMM MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: e5a6853bcfd3377c4a5a4d4952de0d13 On 08-Apr-98, greenboy wrote: > CMM wrote: >> Someone on the list recently inquired about mixers, I can't remember >> who it was, but I just wanted to recommend you take a look at a >> Carvin catalog or the Carvin web site. I have used Carvin equipment >> for years and it is quality throughout and the prices cannot be touched > > My Carvin 5-string bass is a tone-monster, has the greatest neck and > materials, looks smashin', and cost 1/2 what the other serious basses I > looked at! Peavey of course introduced a great new model right after I > bought it. > Ahhhh...Carvin guitars are awesome. IMHO they have NO equal. The necks are unbelievable. Nevertheless, my point was that the SM162 has tons of features, is very, very high quality, built like a tank and cost only $299.00. It is a steal. ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From turk@gulftel.com Thu, 09 Apr 1998 01:02:57 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2125 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2128 (database) From: CMM To: studio16 Subject: What has happened to Ben and the AHI drive for AD516 ? Was Rapture? Date: Thu, 9 Apr 98 08:02:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id GAA02452for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 06:06:41 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA16849for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:08:59 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview3 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: CMM MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 921c112b6f3adc4652a98604213c82e2 I haven't seen any post from Ben in guite a while. What has happened to him. Also, what has happened to the AHI driver for the Sunrize boards? regards, ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From turk@gulftel.com Thu, 09 Apr 1998 01:05:01 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2123 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2129 (database) From: CMM To: studio16 Subject: Re[2]: S16> Mixers and Mack trucks Date: Thu, 9 Apr 98 08:05:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id GAA02464for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 06:07:39 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA16918for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:10:31 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview3 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: CMM MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: d16bae6b31cba4a939751ee1327d11af On 08-Apr-98, greenboy wrote: > CMM wrote: >> Someone on the list recently inquired about mixers, I can't remember >> who it was, but I just wanted to recommend you take a look at a >> Carvin catalog or the Carvin web site. I have used Carvin equipment >> for years and it is quality throughout and the prices cannot be touched > > My Carvin 5-string bass is a tone-monster, has the greatest neck and > materials, looks smashin', and cost 1/2 what the other serious basses I > looked at! Peavey of course introduced a great new model right after I > bought it. > I have serious doubts that a Peavy or anything else for that matter could come even close to the quality and sound of Carvin guitars. There is nothing like a Carvin neck for playability and that tone....geez ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Thu, 09 Apr 1998 01:09:19 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2129 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2130 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> ReMixers, and ReMacks about Truckin' Date: Thu, 9 Apr 98 08:09:00 Message-ID: <352C741F.7ECD03E9@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id HAA03195for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 07:10:31 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA18430for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:12:42 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 2818a20937f431cea324670d91ca3e77 greenboy (that's me!): >>My Carvin 5-string bass is a tone-monster, has the greatest neck and >>materials, looks smashin', and cost 1/2 what the other serious basses I >>looked at! Peavey of course introduced a great new model right after I >>bought it. CMM wrote: >Nevertheless, my point was that the SM162 has tons of features, is very, >very high quality, built like a tank and cost only $299.00. It is a steal. Ah... But each person needs to get the RIGHT steal for their dream... And I was about to mention the new Ramsa digital board, or the Yamaha 03R. >I have serious doubts that a Peavy or anything else for that matter >could come even close to the quality and sound of Carvin guitars. There >is nothing like a Carvin neck for playability and that tone....geez For the price that is probably true. But the sun does not rise or set in any one place. (Though now I believe in my One True Bass.) -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From ImJohn@worldnet.att.net Thu, 09 Apr 1998 01:12:47 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2130 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2131 (database) From: John Rice To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> ReMixers, and ReMacks about Truckin' Date: Thu, 9 Apr 98 09:12:00 Message-ID: <352C82FF.FE61C0A@worldnet.att.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id IAA04127for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:08:12 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA19765for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:10:52 +0200 Organization: Ib Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <352C741F.7ECD03E9@bigsky.net> Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 733e7fe0cd7b588b24c018743639e126 >or the Yamaha 03R. or the 02D. And have you checked out the new PCI card by Yamaha for PC and MAC that has almost the entire functionality of the 02D and is only $1000 list price???????? It's amazing. ImJohn@worldnet.att.net .......I play drums. ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From turk@gulftel.com Thu, 09 Apr 1998 03:13:11 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2130 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2132 (database) From: CMM To: studio16 Subject: Re[2]: S16> ReMixers, and ReMacks about Truckin' Date: Thu, 9 Apr 98 10:13:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id IAA04234for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:16:27 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA19947for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:18:59 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview3 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: CMM MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 0828409ac3d397a0f26d1fe7ea9401f9 On 09-Apr-98, greenboy wrote: > greenboy (that's me!): >>> My Carvin 5-string bass is a tone-monster, has the greatest neck and >>> materials, looks smashin', and cost 1/2 what the other serious basses I >>> looked at! Peavey of course introduced a great new model right after I >>> bought it. > > CMM wrote: >> Nevertheless, my point was that the SM162 has tons of features, is very, >> very high quality, built like a tank and cost only $299.00. It is a steal. > > Ah... But each person needs to get the RIGHT steal for their dream... > And I was about to mention the new Ramsa digital board, or the Yamaha 03R. Whatever, I'm not going to argue with you over this. Someone had asked about an inexpensive mixer and I replied that they might take a look at Carvin equipment. That is all. If you don't like that idea then YOU should look elsewhere. If anyone else is interested then I suggest you got to http://www.carvin.com and look at what they have and compare that with other stuff. I think you will find a tremendous difference in quality and price. If not then hop on out to your local music store or order something from Musicians Friend, etc. and pay twice the amount for half the features and quality. It is up to you! I could really care less. Have them send you a catalog and look at how their specs are laid out. Everything is there for you to look at. And of course they have mixers of various types and prices, but still less than what you could buy something else with more features. > >> I have serious doubts that a Peavy or anything else for that matter >> could come even close to the quality and sound of Carvin guitars. There >> is nothing like a Carvin neck for playability and that tone....geez > > For the price that is probably true. But the sun does not rise or set in > any one place. (Though now I believe in my One True Bass.) > Hmmmmm....gotta disagree with you here. From what I've seen the Sun does in fact rise and set at the Carvin factory. Carvin Rules...there is NO equal for the price. regards, ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From doncox@enterprise.net Thu, 09 Apr 1998 12:17:18 +0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2131 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2133 (database) From: Don Cox To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> ReMixers, and ReMacks about Truckin' Date: Thu, 9 Apr 98 13:17:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id LAA07135for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:27:30 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA24182for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:29:51 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview3 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 04d41936328041c01ed0bd87f2cac0ce On 09-Apr-98, John Rice wrote: >> or the Yamaha 03R. > > or the 02D. And have you checked out the new PCI card by Yamaha for PC and MAC > that has almost the entire functionality of the 02D and is only $1000 list > price???????? It's amazing. It looks as though various people are planning to add PCI slots to Amigas over the next year or so. Then it will just be a matter of getting drivers written. -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From kenny@bgnett.no 09 Apr 98 14:02:48 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2125 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2136 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: charles hess Subject: Re: Rapture? Date: Thu, 9 Apr 98 14:02:00 Message-ID: <200.403T2430T8424639@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id MAA08677for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 12:50:38 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA26312for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:53:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 09b6edc84ccb05577f614102af52d615 charles hess wrote: >I'm here. I haven't left. But I just got here last month. Please don't tell >me everybody's gone! There're currently 97 people subscribed to the list (per 8/April/98). - Kenny ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From ImJohn@worldnet.att.net Thu, 09 Apr 1998 08:14:41 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2132 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2137 (database) From: John Rice To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> ReMixers, and ReMacks about Truckin' Date: Thu, 9 Apr 98 16:14:00 Message-ID: <352CE5E0.41998A76@worldnet.att.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id PAA11192for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:10:17 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA29160for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 17:12:49 +0200 Organization: Ib Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 5d8d8f0bbec55850cb96a45201fc8183 CMM wrote: > > For the price that is probably true. But the sun does not rise or set > in > > any one place. (Though now I believe in my One True Bass.) > > > Hmmmmm....gotta disagree with you here. From what I've seen the Sun does > in fact rise and set at the Carvin factory. Carvin Rules...there is NO > equal for the price. > > regards, > Uhhhhh.... does 'CMM' stand for 'Carvin Marketing Manager'? ;-) ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Thu, 09 Apr 1998 09:36:35 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2133 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2138 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> ReMixers, and ReMacks about Truckin' Date: Thu, 9 Apr 98 16:36:00 Message-ID: <352CEB03.4BF21AD5@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id PAA11849for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:37:45 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA29718for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 17:40:25 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 779ce836b0e30424b19f7863a8da868d Don Cox wrote: > It looks as though various people are planning to add PCI slots to > Amigas over the next year or so. Then it will just be a matter of > getting drivers written. I am putting a deposit down for Siamese System's PCI-card Amiga. Since Alpha-powered boxes with PCI slots have come down in price, having an Amiga running on that hardware should be inspiring! (But a fast Pentium2 will have to do, for me). The card is either $500 or $600. I suggest everybody trumble over to cucorg Amiga News, which will further point your surf limos at Siamese Systems, since I don't have an URL handy. I believe the Siamese stuff may be very significant for the future of Amiga. -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Thu, 09 Apr 1998 09:36:44 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2132 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2139 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> ReMixers, and ReMacks about Truckin' Date: Thu, 9 Apr 98 16:36:00 Message-ID: <352CEB0C.3C925864@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id PAA11856for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:37:59 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA29728for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 17:40:46 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 54f1db9683fcbbd7fec0252b9448e750 CMM wrote: >Whatever, I'm not going to argue with you over this. Someone had asked >about an inexpensive mixer and I replied that they might take a look >at Carvin equipment. That is all. If you don't like that idea then YOU >should look elsewhere. --snip-- >half the features and quality. It is up to you! I could really care less. Whhhho, dude! Swallow the hostility. WHO is arguing? Me (a very satisfied Carvin customer!), I'm just presenting a few alternatives. It is always good to have a full perspective. > Hmmmmm....gotta disagree with you here. From what I've seen the Sun does So, the deal is: no arguing with turk, but turk can disagree? How very generous, definitely a road leading to higher levels of discourse. I am getting a new high-output power amp. The Carvin one I'm looking at is fairly light for its wattage, purports to do well with 2 ohm loads (I have little doubt it does), has a high slew-rate, and is CHEAP! Let me say it in another way: BARGAIN ALERT! But I am considering a few others that cost more because (surprise) they have features I consider useful, and it does not. If I was buying for a different application I wouldn't desire those features, and the Carvin would be a shoe-in. Peavey is releasing a digital power amp that weighs in at 16 pounds in a single space, can accept crossover modules (not yet confirmed on this point), can handle 2-ohm loads also--or bridged 4-ohm, and develops 600 a side @4 ohms. It has a digital version of Peavey's DDT circuit, which is a good, fairly low-coloration limiting scheme. The fan is variable speed. As the output demand goes up, so does the speed of the fan. So it increases cooling, while being masked by the audio it is amplifying. Cool. Methinks this is a great piece in my bass-rack, along with my tube preamp. -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Thu, 09 Apr 1998 09:36:30 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2131 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2140 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> ReMixers, and ReMacks about Truckin' Date: Thu, 9 Apr 98 16:36:00 Message-ID: <352CEAFE.F9FE6E1F@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id PAA11866for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:38:11 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA29741for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 17:41:03 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <352C741F.7ECD03E9@bigsky.net> <352C82FF.FE61C0A@worldnet.att.net> Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: d17d28a24e184838b6f875b6a2d2f45e >>or the Yamaha 03R. John Rice wrote: >have you checked out the new PCI card by Yamaha for PC and MAC that has >almost the entire functionality of the 02D and is only $1000 list price??? That is eminently lustworthy! But I would settle for what I've got. Putting more stuff into computers, even with decent breakout-box designs no longer has the zing it used to... -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From turk@gulftel.com Thu, 09 Apr 1998 11:42:21 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2137 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2141 (database) From: CMM To: studio16 Subject: Re[2]: S16> ReMixers, and ReMacks about Truckin' Date: Thu, 9 Apr 98 18:42:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id QAA13216for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:45:53 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA31374for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 18:48:03 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview3 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: CMM MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 73899b1fd61e7d7a547cc14afc9b8629 On 09-Apr-98, John Rice wrote: > > CMM wrote: > >>> For the price that is probably true. But the sun does not rise or set >> in >>> any one place. (Though now I believe in my One True Bass.) >>> >> Hmmmmm....gotta disagree with you here. From what I've seen the Sun does >> in fact rise and set at the Carvin factory. Carvin Rules...there is NO >> equal for the price. >> >> regards, >> > > Uhhhhh.... does 'CMM' stand for 'Carvin Marketing Manager'? ;-) > Hehehe...no it doesen't but that is a job I would gladly take! :) regards, Lee ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From turk@gulftel.com Thu, 09 Apr 1998 11:55:11 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2139 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2142 (database) From: CMM To: studio16 Subject: Re[2]: S16> ReMixers, and ReMacks about Truckin' Date: Thu, 9 Apr 98 18:55:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id QAA13468for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:57:57 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA31692for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 19:00:50 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview3 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: CMM MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 5688aac04b804f7966ccf78f448b40b9 On 09-Apr-98, greenboy wrote: > CMM wrote: >> Whatever, I'm not going to argue with you over this. Someone had asked >> about an inexpensive mixer and I replied that they might take a look >> at Carvin equipment. That is all. If you don't like that idea then YOU >> should look elsewhere. --snip-- >> half the features and quality. It is up to you! I could really care less. > > Whhhho, dude! Swallow the hostility. WHO is arguing? Me (a very satisfied > Carvin customer!), I'm just presenting a few alternatives. It is always > good to have a full perspective. Whoa greendude, I am not arguing. I simply stated that whoever it was wanting to know about an inexpensive mixer should take a look at the offerings from Carvin. Apparently this short circuited your brain? > >> Hmmmmm....gotta disagree with you here. From what I've seen the Sun does > > So, the deal is: no arguing with turk, but turk can disagree? How > very generous, definitely a road leading to higher levels of discourse. Hmmmm, higher levels of discourse! hehehe :) > > I am getting a new high-output power amp. The Carvin one I'm looking at is > fairly light for its wattage, purports to do well with 2 ohm loads (I have > little doubt it does), has a high slew-rate, and is CHEAP! Let me say it > in another way: BARGAIN ALERT! > > But I am considering a few others that cost more because (surprise) they > have features I consider useful, and it does not. If I was buying for a > different application I wouldn't desire those features, and the Carvin > would be a shoe-in. > > Peavey is releasing a digital power amp that weighs in at 16 pounds in a > single space, can accept crossover modules (not yet confirmed on this > point), can handle 2-ohm loads also--or bridged 4-ohm, and develops > 600 a side @4 ohms. It has a digital version of Peavey's DDT circuit, which > is a good, fairly low-coloration limiting scheme. > > The fan is variable speed. As the output demand goes up, so does the speed > of the fan. So it increases cooling, while being masked by the audio it is > amplifying. Cool. Methinks this is a great piece in my bass-rack, along with > my tube preamp. > It sounds interesting, really it does. Personally I've never cared too much for Peavy products. I've found them to be cheaply made and not too reliable. Who knows. To each his own. regards, Lee ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From gclink@dryden.net Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:24:58 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2143 (database) From: Gord Clink To: 'studio16@thule.no' Subject: Re[2]: S16> ReMixers, and ReMacks about Truckin' Date: Thu, 9 Apr 98 19:24:01 Message-ID: <01BD63BA.E51A12C0@gclink.avenor.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA15500for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 18:28:43 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA01262for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 20:31:13 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: bastionhost.avenor.com: Host [10.100.240.153] claimed to be gclink.avenor.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 7fbf6f702332dadfe6c4c9ae46f6ad91 Well... I think your all nuts... nothin but a Ford for me.... A good old 302 FI.... There's no better engine around! Gord ---------- From: CMM[SMTP:turk@gulftel.com] Sent: Thursday, April 09, 1998 12:55 PM To: studio16@thule.no Subject: Re[2]: S16> ReMixers, and ReMacks about Truckin' On 09-Apr-98, greenboy wrote: > CMM wrote: >> Whatever, I'm not going to argue with you over this. Someone had asked >> about an inexpensive mixer and I replied that they might take a look >> at Carvin equipment. That is all. If you don't like that idea then YOU >> should look elsewhere. --snip-- >> half the features and quality. It is up to you! I could really care less. > > Whhhho, dude! Swallow the hostility. WHO is arguing? Me (a very satisfied > Carvin customer!), I'm just presenting a few alternatives. It is always > good to have a full perspective. Whoa greendude, I am not arguing. I simply stated that whoever it was wanting to know about an inexpensive mixer should take a look at the offerings from Carvin. Apparently this short circuited your brain? > >> Hmmmmm....gotta disagree with you here. From what I've seen the Sun does > > So, the deal is: no arguing with turk, but turk can disagree? How > very generous, definitely a road leading to higher levels of discourse. Hmmmm, higher levels of discourse! hehehe :) > > I am getting a new high-output power amp. The Carvin one I'm looking at is > fairly light for its wattage, purports to do well with 2 ohm loads (I have > little doubt it does), has a high slew-rate, and is CHEAP! Let me say it > in another way: BARGAIN ALERT! > > But I am considering a few others that cost more because (surprise) they > have features I consider useful, and it does not. If I was buying for a > different application I wouldn't desire those features, and the Carvin > would be a shoe-in. > > Peavey is releasing a digital power amp that weighs in at 16 pounds in a > single space, can accept crossover modules (not yet confirmed on this > point), can handle 2-ohm loads also--or bridged 4-ohm, and develops > 600 a side @4 ohms. It has a digital version of Peavey's DDT circuit, which > is a good, fairly low-coloration limiting scheme. > > The fan is variable speed. As the output demand goes up, so does the speed > of the fan. So it increases cooling, while being masked by the audio it is > amplifying. Cool. Methinks this is a great piece in my bass-rack, along with > my tube preamp. > It sounds interesting, really it does. Personally I've never cared too much for Peavy products. I've found them to be cheaply made and not too reliable. Who knows. To each his own. regards, Lee ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From jkrutz@meta.burner.com Thu, 9 Apr 98 11:20:44 MST X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2133 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2144 (database) From: Jamie Krutz To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> ReMixers, and ReMacks about Truckin' Date: Thu, 9 Apr 98 19:20:00 Message-ID: <9804091820.AA016c9@meta.burner.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id TAA17364for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 19:52:44 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA03159for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 21:55:03 +0200 References: X-NewsSoftware: GRn 2.1 Feb 19, 1994 Organization: The Back Burner BBS Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 5b3c13b8e8aedfaaf5c6970855ee05bb In article Don Cox writes: > On 09-Apr-98, John Rice wrote: > >> or the Yamaha 03R. > > > > or the 02D. And have you checked out the new PCI card by Yamaha for > PC and MAC > > that has almost the entire functionality of the 02D and is only > $1000 list > > price???????? It's amazing. > > It looks as though various people are planning to add PCI slots to > Amigas over the next year or so. Then it will just be a matter of > getting drivers written. And software. What would really be cool would be to run the Paris inside an Amiga (www.paris.ensoniq.com) > Don Cox > doncox@enterprise.net Best Regards, -Jamie ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Thu, 09 Apr 1998 16:19:03 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2144 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2145 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> ReMixers, and ReMacks about Truckin' Date: Thu, 9 Apr 98 23:19:00 Message-ID: <352D4957.D07BD450@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id WAA20054for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 22:19:57 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA06726for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:22:39 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9804091820.AA016c9@meta.burner.com> Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 96e1ebdb593144d5da49047d008746b8 Jamie Krutz wrote: > What would really be cool would be to run the Paris inside an Amiga > (www.paris.ensoniq.com) Or Event Electronics' (purveyors of fine near-field monitors and mics) Darla, Gina, or Layla (http://www.event1.com). The beauty of running a Siamese System Amiga-on-a-PCI-card would be not having to wait and see if the Amiga gets a jump-start. One could use so much great stuff on Intel or Alpha boxes, and use the Amiga stuff like DOpus Magellan to help keep that unruly Microsloth OS in line. -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From ImJohn@worldnet.att.net Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:32:17 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2145 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2146 (database) From: John Rice To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> ReMixers, and ReMacks about Truckin' Date: Fri, 10 Apr 98 08:32:00 Message-ID: <352DCB01.5F225EBD@worldnet.att.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id HAA28138for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 07:27:32 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA18344for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 09:30:10 +0200 Organization: Ib Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9804091820.AA016c9@meta.burner.com> <352D4957.D07BD450@bigsky.net> Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 671db005644a9e507b75c6b8ce8f6057 > Or Event Electronics' (purveyors of fine near-field monitors and mics) > Darla, Gina, or Layla Also the new MOTU 2408 ( Mark Of The Unicorn ) is another really nice $1000 unit similar to the Layla setup. It has a PCI card and external rack mount converter box like the Layla, but with lots of flashing indicator lights. ( oooohhh pretty! ) The Layla has 8 in / 10 out analog balanced where the MOTU 2408 only has 8 in / 8 out unbalanced BUT the MOTU 2408 can connect up 3 ADATs and 3 Tascam DA-88 type units at the same time and then you can select any combination of three units at once. Very slick especially if you have or can afford several digital tape machines. Go to to check it out. ImJohn@worldnet.att.net .......I play drums. ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From Dave_Hardy@panam.wimsey.com Thu, 9 Apr 98 15:30:05 PST X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2147 (database) From: Dave Hardy To: studio16 Subject: Prostation Date: Fri, 10 Apr 98 00:30:00 Message-ID: <9804092330.AA03643@panam.wimsey.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id OAA04726for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 14:16:48 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA25217for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 16:18:58 +0200 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 0a5e1c8f4ca8f91205ae62bf45f4b2aa ON Apr. 9 Gord Clink wrote. >So what's the latest on Prostation..... or will that become a reality? Never seen any specs on this. Don't know whether its hardware or software or just a name that Maurizio dreamed up to deflect attention from the fact that there seems to be no development happening on AudioLab. Dave Hardy Vancouver B>C> dave_hardy@panam.wimsey.com -- Via DLG Pro v1.16 ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:58:58 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2146 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2148 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> ReMixers, and ReMacks about Truckin' Date: Fri, 10 Apr 98 15:58:01 Message-ID: <352E33B2.669FE07@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id OAA05433for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 14:59:54 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA26158for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 17:02:43 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9804091820.AA016c9@meta.burner.com> <352D4957.D07BD450@bigsky.net> <352DCB01.5F225EBD@worldnet.att.net> Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: c31dcaf0060c09ead94961c0a6e198a1 greenboy (that's me!) wrote: >>Or Event Electronics' (purveyors of fine near-field monitors and mics) >>Darla, Gina, or Layla John Rice wrote: >Also the new MOTU 2408 ( Mark Of The Unicorn ) is another really nice >$1000 unit similar to the Layla setup. It has a PCI card and external >rack mount converter box like the Layla Good way to get some stuff out of the noisy computer environment and have a decent i/o contingent. >The Layla has 8 in / 10 out analog balanced where the MOTU 2408 only has >8 in / 8 out unbalanced BUT the MOTU 2408 can connect up 3 ADATs and 3 >Tascam DA-88 type units at the same time and then you can select any >combination of three units at once. Very slick especially if you have or >can afford several digital tape machines. Boy. Tough trade-off. I love balanced connections for several reasons. But you would have to buy yet another card to handle the DADs if you got the Layla. You've got the DADs online with the MOTU piece, but no balanced connections. Hmmm. >Go to to check it out. Will do. I've had a few Mark Of The Unicorn toys; MOTU have been real comers since day one. > .......I play drums. -- greenboy .......I play many things, but not drums ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From doncox@enterprise.net Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:25:34 +0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2145 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2149 (database) From: Don Cox To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> ReMixers, and ReMacks about Truckin' Date: Fri, 10 Apr 98 01:25:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id QAA08507for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 16:53:43 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA28238for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 18:53:46 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview3 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: e49524ed7295bf3d6b18cb9c00d242aa On 09-Apr-98, greenboy wrote: > Jamie Krutz wrote: >> What would really be cool would be to run the Paris inside an Amiga >> (www.paris.ensoniq.com) > > Or Event Electronics' (purveyors of fine near-field monitors and mics) > Darla, Gina, or Layla (http://www.event1.com). The beauty of running a > Siamese System Amiga-on-a-PCI-card would be not having to wait and see if > the Amiga gets a jump-start. One could use so much great stuff on Intel or > Alpha boxes, and use the Amiga stuff like DOpus Magellan to help keep that > unruly Microsloth OS in line. I think all three of Index's boards (Access, BoXeR, InsideOut) will be very useful for different setups. For instance, an Access with the MindEye gadget and a projector would be good for clubs. MickTinker keeps talking about long-term development plans, too: this year's BoXeR won't be the last. The nice thing about this is that for the kind of investment that would normally go to developing three Zorro cards, Index have created 3 computers. The basic concept of using Altera Flex chips has infinite possibilities. -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Fri, 10 Apr 1998 12:26:43 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2149 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2150 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> ReMixers, and ReMacks about Truckin' Date: Fri, 10 Apr 98 19:26:00 Message-ID: <352E6463.49CAB1B8@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA11109for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 18:28:18 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA30533for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 20:30:29 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 507733b5976b51a0833e29534a40c131 greenboy (that's me!) wrote: >>The beauty of running a Siamese System Amiga-on-a-PCI-card would be not >>having to wait and see if the Amiga gets a jump-start. One could use so >>much great stuff on Intel or Alpha boxes, and use the Amiga stuff like >>DOpus Magellan to help keep that unruly Microsloth OS in line. Don Cox wrote: >I think all three of Index's boards (Access, BoXeR, InsideOut) will be >very useful for different setups. For instance, an Access with the >MindEye gadget and a projector would be good for clubs. Yes. If only that annoying software interface for MindsEye would get brought up to something beyond Amiga 1988 standards. After that was streamlined, bugified, and modernized, then using the "Viz" would become awesome again. (And then tinkering with its midi abilites, just so its discussion on this m-list wouldn't be totally irrelevant. ;-) >MickTinker keeps talking about long-term development plans, too: this >year's BoXeR won't be the last. The nice thing about this is that for >the kind of investment that would normally go to developing three >Zorro cards, Index have created 3 computers. The basic concept of >using Altera Flex chips has infinite possibilities. This type of engineering approach definitely will see the Amiga through, if anything significant happens on the OS, developer-seeding, and marketing fronts. Anyone look at the report on Play Inc's Trinity? Looks like a very expensive boat-anchor for all it's being touted as the Toaster killer. And they have some annoying credo about the Amiga resting in peace. Sanctimonious so-and-sos. -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From jkrutz@meta.burner.com Fri, 10 Apr 98 12:05:09 MST X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2146 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2151 (database) From: Jamie Krutz To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> ReMixers, and ReMacks about Truckin' Date: Fri, 10 Apr 98 20:05:00 Message-ID: <9804101905.AA016e3@meta.burner.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id TAA12506for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 19:53:07 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA32573for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 21:55:08 +0200 References: <352DCB01.5F225EBD@worldnet.att.net> X-NewsSoftware: GRn 2.1 Feb 19, 1994 Organization: The Back Burner BBS Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 0601048cb472bc8a95a03a7602b1dcd1 In article <352DCB01.5F225EBD@worldnet.att.net> John Rice writes: > > Or Event Electronics' (purveyors of fine near-field monitors and mics) > > Darla, Gina, or Layla > > Also the new MOTU 2408 ( Mark Of The Unicorn ) is another really nice $1000 > unit similar to the Layla setup. It has a PCI card and external rack mount > converter box like the Layla, but with lots of flashing indicator lights. ( > oooohhh pretty! ) The Layla has 8 in / 10 out analog balanced where the MOTU > 2408 only has 8 in / 8 out unbalanced BUT the MOTU 2408 can connect up 3 ADATs > and 3 Tascam DA-88 type units at the same time and then you can select any > combination of three units at once. Very slick especially if you have or can > afford several digital tape machines. Go to to check > it out. Ensoniq's Paris has an external box option with slots for extra expansion to support 24 bit AD/DA cards, ADAT, etc. Right now the 24 bit cards are available (8 in or out per card). There are 4 each 16 bit ADDA and SPDIF I/O included in the expansion chassis with no i/o cards installed. Assuming all the bells and whistles get finished in the software, and all the hardware parts come out (things are moving slower than the marketing department predicts), Paris may be the coolest thing out there for Mac or Intel boxes. About 3x-4x the cost of the SunRize cards when they were shipping, but has real time effects (reverb, echo, compression, expansion), simultaneous 16 ins/outs per Paris card, automated mixing of 16 tracks (with 128 promised), and tons of very flexible real time EQ (parametric, low pass, high pass, shelving) using the custom DSP chips on the card. It's almost an entire recording studio in one product, and will be even more so when they add MIDI support, (but you can supposedly use it along with other sequencers now). If they keep hacking at it and add the rest of the effect algorithms from the DP4, create a mic preamp board for the expansion box, and finish the software, it would be pretty much everything you need except for a mic, a voice and instruments. Racks worth of gear sucked into a computer. Paris includes an external control surface with sliders and solo/mute buttons for each track, aux/EQ controls for one track at a time, a numeric keypad and a shuttle knob. It lacks deessing and a few other useful effects, the software has holes (no MIDI, 128 track mixdown, or precise sample editing yet), and design flaws (can automate returns but not sends, can slip samples in the timeline but not by single sample increments, etc.). Still, what it does do is pretty impressive, and the potential seems greater than the other systems mentioned. For all that there are a few things the SunRize card does that Paris doesn't. And I gotta say, the SunRize manual is much better than the Paris manual. :^) Best Regards, -Jamie ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Fri, 10 Apr 1998 15:51:18 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2151 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2152 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> ReMixers, and ReMacks about Truckin' Date: Fri, 10 Apr 98 22:51:00 Message-ID: <352E9456.382B0DF0@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA15105for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 21:52:39 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA02632for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 23:54:53 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <352DCB01.5F225EBD@worldnet.att.net> <9804101905.AA016e3@meta.burner.com> Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: ddd4515e9f8daef3e6497db6bcfb437c greenboy (that's me!): >>>Or Event Electronics' (purveyors of fine near-field monitors and mics) >>>Darla, Gina, or Layla John Rice: >>Also the new MOTU 2408 ( Mark Of The Unicorn ) is another really nice >>unit similar to the Layla setup. It has a PCI card and external rack >>mount converter box -snip- Layla has 8 in / 10 out analog balanced where >>the MOTU 2408 only has 8 in / 8 out unbalanced BUT the MOTU 2408 can >>connect up 3 ADATs and 3 Tascam DA-88 type units at the same time and Jamie Krutz wrote: >Ensoniq's Paris has an external box option with slots for extra expansion >to support 24 bit AD/DA cards, ADAT, etc. Right now the 24 bit cards >are available (8 in or out per card). There are 4 each 16 bit ADDA and >SPDIF I/O included in the expansion chassis with no i/o cards installed. That's what is great about an active marketplace: solutions in all price-ranges, and competing feature-lists that give the prospective buyer a chance to meet the needs of his studio AND his pocketbook. >Assuming all the bells and whistles get finished in the software, and >all the hardware parts come out (things are moving slower than the >marketing department predicts), Paris may be the coolest thing out >there for Mac or Intel boxes. About 3x-4x the cost of the SunRize >cards when they were shipping, but has real time effects (reverb, echo, >compression, expansion), simultaneous 16 ins/outs per Paris card, >automated mixing of 16 tracks (with 128 promised), and tons of very >flexible real time EQ (parametric, low pass, high pass, shelving) using >the custom DSP chips on the card. As a customer of Ensoniq many times over the years, I have had an opportunity to form a love/hate relationship with them, some via beta- testing. My read: they have always supplied lots of bang for the buck, but have--up to now--required purchase of new replacement hardware due to limitations in the original, or a prevailing "we don't want do that, so it won't go into the new software" attitude. It looks like they have a big-league attitude this time around though. Though I wouldn't bank on any feature promised in software until it actually exists. >Paris includes an external control surface with sliders and solo/mute >buttons for each track, aux/EQ controls for one track at a time, a >numeric keypad and a shuttle knob. There was always at least one good 3rd-party midi control surface available ever since Studio16 came out. But in spite of pleas, S16 support never came about for JLCooper, Peavey, Yamaha, (etc) boxes. So this is a real plus for Paris. More like what the incredible digidesign community has enjoyed. The Peavey PC1600-- http://www.peavey.com/division/mi/keyboards/MIDIcontrollers/pc1600x.html seems to be the most flexible and widely supported stand-alone of this type at this date. And it is very well-designed (sound wall-wart alert!). >It lacks deessing and a few other useful effects, the software >has holes (no MIDI, 128 track mixdown, or precise sample editing >yet), and design flaws (can automate returns but not sends, can slip >samples in the timeline but not by single sample increments, etc.). I'm counting on one of the cheaper systems, in conjunction with Cakewalk 6.x Pro, or something else with a real open plug-in architecture. (The V8 stuff probably bears some watching also). I liken the harddrive studio to (ironically) what happened when EMu--and then Ensoniq--introduced cheap samplers to the rarified, Synclavier/Fairlight dominated marketplace. Heck, guys have hacked more useful software for Ensoniq samplers including the Mirage, than all other samplers combined. >For all that there are a few things the SunRize card does that Paris >doesn't. Each system in existence seems to have that distinction. Spectral (still in Woodinville WA?) has developed some nice cards for the PC since about '89 or so. But being tied to designs that started back when the state- of-Gates-Crates was antedeluvian, probably doesn't help against the crop of relative newcomers. >And I gotta say, the SunRize manual is much better than the Paris manual. :^) I'll leave this judgement up to you; I'm to biased to make an impartial call. ;^] -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From dschmoldt@ibm.net Sat, 11 Apr 1998 00:41:19 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2136 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2154 (database) From: Dave Schmoldt To: studio16 Subject: Re: Rapture? Date: Sat, 11 Apr 98 06:41:00 Message-ID: <352F027F.BE783979@ibm.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id FAA22494for ; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 05:41:49 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA11804for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 07:44:27 +0200 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200.403T2430T8424639@bgnett.no> Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: d3a7de3fdf41f0e4d4da38c47738cc82 I'm reading. But I'm busy using Studio16 and my newly "souped up" A3000 (OK, I just upgraded to the current chipset and OS, but it seems souped up to me) to record and edit sound effects for our local theatre group. So I'm a happy and busy user of Studio16. I do appreciate this list. Just not a lot to say. Dave Schmoldt Theatre Cedar Rapids (Iowa) Kenny Nilsen wrote: > There're currently 97 people subscribed to the list (per 8/April/98). > ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Sat, 11 Apr 1998 08:52:06 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2154 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2156 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: Rapture? Date: Sat, 11 Apr 98 15:52:00 Message-ID: <352F8396.E027DEDB@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id OAA00097for ; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 14:53:49 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA23826for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 16:56:09 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200.403T2430T8424639@bgnett.no> <352F027F.BE783979@ibm.net> Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 439d4c49669fb9d8aafb1da641aed2a3 Dave Schmoldt wrote: > I'm reading. But I'm busy using Studio16 and my newly "souped up" A3000 > (OK, I just upgraded to the current chipset and OS, but it seems souped > up to me) to record and edit sound effects for our local theatre group. > > So I'm a happy and busy user of Studio16. I do appreciate this list. Hi Dave! I'd probably be writing a bit less, if my AD516 was not on "permanent lend". And having the altogether dated 3.1 is certainly more pleasurable than an even-moreso dated OS. So its understandable. And it is amazing how little speed difference I typically notice doing average tasks between the P2@300 I've been using, and my Amiga. The souping-up process on Windozzze probably requires TONS of RAM and a Ultra-SCSI drive subsystem, QUEMM's memory management software, and praying to the correct God/Gates. This system is accessing the disk about as much as Studio16 does. HUGE, bloated progs, virtual mem disk-swapping, poor use of RAM, the inherent inefficiency of IDE when getting simultaneous-thread requests--I could go on and on. And I frequently do, as you see here. On the list we've been waxing on about the bold advances in digital audio on the PCI buss lately. But I bet the code that every single one of those cards is run with is BLOATWARE, compared to what Amigans are using. The features-per-meg index is certainly better on the Amiga. So enjoy your sporty car, while I maneuver this Mimbari battle-cruiser. -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From dschmoldt@ibm.net Sun, 12 Apr 1998 23:21:26 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2156 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2157 (database) From: Dave Schmoldt To: studio16 Subject: Re: Rapture? Date: Mon, 13 Apr 98 05:21:00 Message-ID: <353192C6.4F4AFB66@ibm.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id EAA21599for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 04:22:36 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA00913for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 06:24:44 +0200 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200.403T2430T8424639@bgnett.no> <352F027F.BE783979@ibm.net> <352F8396.E027DEDB@bigsky.net> Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 3d499da103136199ccb975f23e9d92a8 Status: O I forgot to mention I upgraded to an 040, and will soon be going from 4 meg to 16 meg (on my A3000). Sad thing is, I also have a Dell Pentium Pro 200 with 64Meg RAM. I do nothing nearly as strenuous as digital sound sampling and editing on it ... mostly Netscape and Access stuff. But it literally *drags* when compared to my A3000 ... at least in terms of user perception. I ask my Amiga to do something, it snaps right to it. Ask it to play back a sample while loading another one into the editor; no problem, not a hiccup. (This is with 4 meg memory, and no virtual memory.) I honestly don't remember the last time it crashed on me. If I try to do anything on my PC while Netscape is downloading mail messages, it's going to go in spurts and sputters, guaranteed. I'll normally get several random GPFs per day. Yet which system won out in the long run, except with a few of us fanatics? It breaks my heart to think so many people have never known anything other than the mediocre OS the world is becoming saddled with, which is only as barely-functional as it is because we've been able to throw huge amounts of memory and CPU cycles at it. :: getting off my worn-out soapbox :: Dave greenboy wrote: > > Dave Schmoldt wrote: > > I'm reading. But I'm busy using Studio16 and my newly "souped up" A3000 > > (OK, I just upgraded to the current chipset and OS, but it seems souped > > up to me) to record and edit sound effects for our local theatre group. > > > > So I'm a happy and busy user of Studio16. I do appreciate this list. > > Hi Dave! I'd probably be writing a bit less, if my AD516 was not on > "permanent lend". And having the altogether dated 3.1 is certainly more > pleasurable than an even-moreso dated OS. So its understandable. > > And it is amazing how little speed difference I typically notice doing > average tasks between the P2@300 I've been using, and my Amiga. The > souping-up process on Windozzze probably requires TONS of RAM and a > Ultra-SCSI drive subsystem, QUEMM's memory management software, and praying > to the correct God/Gates. > > This system is accessing the disk about as much as Studio16 does. HUGE, > bloated progs, virtual mem disk-swapping, poor use of RAM, the inherent > inefficiency of IDE when getting simultaneous-thread requests--I could go > on and on. And I frequently do, as you see here. > > On the list we've been waxing on about the bold advances in digital audio > on the PCI buss lately. But I bet the code that every single one of those > cards is run with is BLOATWARE, compared to what Amigans are using. The > features-per-meg index is certainly better on the Amiga. > > So enjoy your sporty car, while I maneuver this Mimbari battle-cruiser. > > -- > greenboy > > ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Sun, 12 Apr 1998 23:36:59 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2157 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2158 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Pentium Rapture? Date: Mon, 13 Apr 98 06:36:01 Message-ID: <3531A47B.49510D4B@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id FAA22352for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 05:37:39 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA02358for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 07:40:56 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200.403T2430T8424639@bgnett.no> <352F027F.BE783979@ibm.net> <352F8396.E027DEDB@bigsky.net> <353192C6.4F4AFB66@ibm.net> Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 0fee6de466de158a053db0bba4b74bdd Status: O greenboy (that's me!): >>On the list we've been waxing on about the bold advances in digital audio >>on the PCI buss lately. But I bet the code that every single one of those >>cards is run with is BLOATWARE, compared to what Amigans are using. Dave Schmoldt wrote: >Sad thing is, I also have a Dell Pentium Pro 200 with 64Meg RAM. I do >nothing nearly as strenuous as digital sound sampling and editing on it... >But it literally *drags* when compared to my A3000 ... at least in terms >of user perception. Yes. So what a dream to have that Amiga OS expanded where needed, and playing back on a fast buss and processor. >I ask my Amiga to do something, it snaps right to it. Ask it to play >back a sample while loading another one into the editor; no problem, not >a hiccup. (This is with 4 meg memory, and no virtual memory.) I >honestly don't remember the last time it crashed on me. Those huge Windooz releases need virtual memory; and it seems to really drag the speed and reliable operation down. >Yet which system won out in the long run, except with a few of us fanatics? Well, the type of robber barons at the top of CBM had a different view than Gates and crew on how to pursue an honest living. (slight sarcasm) >It breaks my heart to think so many people have never known anything >other than the mediocre OS the world is becoming saddled with, which is >only as barely-functional as it is because we've been able to throw huge >amounts of memory and CPU cycles at it. Most people have always been more comfortable with the predigested pap that comes with mediocre thought. But the power of that marketplace drives an incredible amount of hardware R&D. Cheap memory, faster busses, cheap replacement for (admittedly fast) obsolescent CPUs, and lately, the promise of even denser harddrives from IBM. The development tools available on the PC seem to be wide, deep, and strong also. I am sure that programmers have complaints about this and that, but many also remark that a mature development environment is not too far from the truth when migrating. The OS supports many things Amigans tack on via Aminet or extra purchases, or simply do not have (much of it is not needed on the Amiga however). Many of the faults of Windozze are not to evident when using a good application there, and since most file standards (and standards bodies) come from that world, the user is assured that those file standards kind of work, most of the time (Microsloth joke). I believe a successful Amiga marketplace can bootstrap itself with the PC industry however. Via PCI, third party Amiga hardware, continuing Aminet proliferacy, user and developer dedication, and who knows--maybe some unexpected developments from the most unlikely of places: the owners of The Amiga. -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From jkrutz@meta.burner.com Mon, 13 Apr 98 11:19:58 MST X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2157 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2159 (database) From: Jamie Krutz To: studio16 Subject: Re: Rapture? Date: Mon, 13 Apr 98 19:19:01 Message-ID: <9804131819.AA016gc@meta.burner.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA17585for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:58:31 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA22702for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 00:00:45 +0200 References: <353192C6.4F4AFB66@ibm.net> X-NewsSoftware: GRn 2.1 Feb 19, 1994 Organization: The Back Burner BBS Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 865e3f70d6f8ca3805353474eeebd993 In article <353192C6.4F4AFB66@ibm.net> Dave Schmoldt writes: > It breaks my heart to think so many people have never known anything > other than the mediocre OS the world is becoming saddled with, which is > only as barely-functional as it is because we've been able to throw huge > amounts of memory and CPU cycles at it. Trying to explain that to people is like trying to explain blue to a blind person. That there are actually people defending Microsoft's "right to innovate" is indicative of the wool over their eyes. > > On the list we've been waxing on about the bold advances in digital audio > > on the PCI buss lately. But I bet the code that every single one of those > > cards is run with is BLOATWARE, compared to what Amigans are using. The > > features-per-meg index is certainly better on the Amiga. Tis true. And don't even get me started on the stupid Windoze IRQ limitations. You simply can't put all the cards you want into one computer, even if there are available hardware slots. This is merely one example of a brain dead limitation due entirely to the baggage carried by Windoze. Yes, even NT. On a brighter note, the BeOS has just been released for Intel machines (PPC later this month). And Apple could become a contender with the Rhapsody OS on PPC/Intel if Apple doesn't screw it up. It will be interesting to see what the announced AmigaOS upgrades bring to the table later this year, assuming AI follows through with their promises (I've learned not to count on any Amiga announcements until something actually ships). Good thing AmigaOS 3.1 still does so many things well. BTW, the announced intention to make future Amigas include both PPC and 68000 chips is good for those of us with unsupported "legacy" hardware/software like Studio 16 and AD516/512 cards. Despite the many choices for audio cards on other platforms, the AD516 will always be useful for what it was designed for: multitrack audio-for-video production, (as well as other uses). There's a group in Scandinavia somewhere that seems to be planning to build an Amiga PDA. That would be nice. I wrote my own PIM in CanDo and it would be cool to carry it around in a portable, Amiga-based box. Best Regards, -Jamie ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Mon, 13 Apr 1998 17:47:25 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2159 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2160 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: Rapture with Rapsody? Date: Tue, 14 Apr 98 00:47:00 Message-ID: <3532A40D.504CFB65@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id XAA19556for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 23:48:22 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA24891for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 01:51:39 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <353192C6.4F4AFB66@ibm.net> <9804131819.AA016gc@meta.burner.com> Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 7f1d5d00fc54c7e625c8f7f0d6cd37af Status: O Jamie Krutz wrote: >On a brighter note, the BeOS has just been released for Intel machines >(PPC later this month). And Apple could become a contender with the >Rhapsody OS on PPC/Intel if Apple doesn't screw it up. Last I heard, Rhapsody was on the ropes. -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From turk@gulftel.com Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:51:29 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2160 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2161 (database) From: CMM To: studio16 Subject: Re[2]: Rapture with Rapsody? Date: Tue, 14 Apr 98 05:51:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id DAA23690for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 03:52:30 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA30083for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 05:55:35 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview3 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: CMM MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: b9f586c2f30cc6593edc082b13177c77 Status: O On 13-Apr-98, greenboy wrote: > Jamie Krutz wrote: >> On a brighter note, the BeOS has just been released for Intel machines >> (PPC later this month). And Apple could become a contender with the >> Rhapsody OS on PPC/Intel if Apple doesn't screw it up. > > Last I heard, Rhapsody was on the ropes. I don't think BeOS is much to get excited about. I've seen it and it is nothing special, and certainly isn't much compared even to the aging AmigaOS. > regards ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From sag@cae.ca Tue, 14 Apr 1998 22:47:54 -0400 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2162 (database) From: Serge A Guilbert To: studio16 Subject: RE: Rapture? -Reply Date: Wed, 15 Apr 98 03:47:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id OAA09374for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:09:12 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA02784for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:47:43 +0200 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 8d0224607af40cc99e122851b81954e2 --> Did the rapture happen, and everyone on the mailing list -->accended except --> me? Still here. Sounding off; Serge A. Guilbert, B.Eng CAE Electronics, Flight Simulators, Sound Group (514)341-6780 x4129 sag@cae.ca ________________________________________________________ A Wise Old Man Once Told Me: "Go Away!!!". And So, I Did ________________________________________________________ ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From jkrutz@meta.burner.com Tue, 14 Apr 98 00:37:31 MST X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2161 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2163 (database) From: Jamie Krutz To: studio16 Subject: Re: Re[2]: Rapture with Rapsody? Date: Tue, 14 Apr 98 08:37:00 Message-ID: <9804140737.AA016hs@meta.burner.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id OAA09812for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:25:01 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA04418for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:06:36 +0200 References: X-NewsSoftware: GRn 2.1 Feb 19, 1994 Organization: The Back Burner BBS Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 4bf965625d4b4d2f51f9709ede7f0bd4 In article CMM writes: > I don't think BeOS is much to get excited about. I've seen > it and it is nothing special, and certainly isn't much compared > even to the aging AmigaOS. I haven't looked at it serously for quite a while. But back when I did look at it, it seemed to me to have promise. It is _designed_ for media uses, and it does not carry the baggage of MS Windows or MacOS. It already has some of the things AmigaOS lacks (memory protection, virtual memory, Intel and PPC versions, up-to-date development tools, real ongoing development). It also has the involvement and input of quite a few folks with Amiga experience. I think perhaps you dismiss it too soon. Right now, Be is aiming it at early adopters; developers and experimenters. When more display drivers are developed and more development is done, it may well be a worthy alternative. Meanwhile, we can continue to use our Amigas and whatever other boxes we want. I would like to see Be, Rhapsody and the next AmigaOS succeed. It's way, way too early to standardize on one OS (hear me, Mr. Bill?). Choice is good. Best Regards, -Jamie ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From jkrutz@meta.burner.com Tue, 14 Apr 98 00:27:29 MST X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2160 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2164 (database) From: Jamie Krutz To: studio16 Subject: Re: Rapture with Rapsody? Date: Tue, 14 Apr 98 08:27:00 Message-ID: <9804140727.AA016hn@meta.burner.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id OAA09820for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:25:25 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA04415for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:06:34 +0200 References: <3532A40D.504CFB65@bigsky.net> X-NewsSoftware: GRn 2.1 Feb 19, 1994 Organization: The Back Burner BBS Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: f0d2dac4855148e5514aaca170b000d9 In article <3532A40D.504CFB65@bigsky.net> greenboy writes: > Last I heard, Rhapsody was on the ropes. Huh? We can talk again after the Apple developers conference, coming soon. I'd be really surprised to see Jobs screw up the movement of the Mac toward NEXTSTEP (his babies both). The MacOS _needs_ to move on. If you have specific sources of Apple dropping Rhapsody, please point me to 'em. -J > greenboy > > ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) > -- .signature under construction ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From turk@gulftel.com Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:41:26 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2163 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2165 (database) From: CMM To: studio16 Subject: Re[4]: Rapture with Rapsody? Date: Wed, 15 Apr 98 16:41:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id OAA10328for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:43:24 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA05354for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:23:38 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview3 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: CMM MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 9394b0d1739124e3dcfc16a4ad00938c On 14-Apr-98, Jamie Krutz wrote: > In article CMM writes: >> I don't think BeOS is much to get excited about. I've seen >> it and it is nothing special, and certainly isn't much compared >> even to the aging AmigaOS. > > I haven't looked at it serously for quite a while. But back > when I did look at it, it seemed to me to have promise. > It is _designed_ for media uses, and it does not carry the > baggage of MS Windows or MacOS. It already has > some of the things AmigaOS lacks (memory protection, > virtual memory, Intel and PPC versions, up-to-date > development tools, real ongoing development). It also has > the involvement and input of quite a few folks with Amiga > experience. Well, it is certainly better than Windows or MAC OS, however as I said it is NOT AmigaOS. Perhaps it will be more so as time goes on. > > I think perhaps you dismiss it too soon. Right now, Be > is aiming it at early adopters; developers and experimenters. > When more display drivers are developed and more > development is done, it may well be a worthy alternative. Perhaps it will wind up being so. > > Meanwhile, we can continue to use our Amigas and > whatever other boxes we want. > > I would like to see Be, Rhapsody and the next AmigaOS > succeed. It's way, way too early to standardize on one > OS (hear me, Mr. Bill?). Choice is good. I agree. Anything but Microsoft's crap. regards, Lee ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From kenny@bgnett.no 15 Apr 98 19:11:37 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2167 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: All Subject: QMaster orders Date: Wed, 15 Apr 98 19:11:00 Message-ID: <135.409T1899T11513848@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA16664for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 18:51:22 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA13282for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 20:32:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: db854929cb06af80f86a1c591fa89ce4 My email address will expire 14th of May this year so if anyone would like to order QMaster per email they must order soon. - Kenny ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From nmiller@ntplx.net Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:39:54 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2167 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2168 (database) From: Norm Miller To: Kenny Nilsen Subject: Re: QMaster orders Date: Wed, 15 Apr 98 22:39:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id UAA19868for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 20:41:02 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA15026for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 22:21:58 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 01d187720b9fb1fc8a4301d7e9c76e07 I am very new to this list and the AD516, what is QMaster?? Norm On 15-Apr-98, Kenny Nilsen wrote: >My email address will expire 14th of May this year so if anyone would like >to order QMaster per email they must order soon. >- Kenny >** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) -- Amiga 4000/060 Power!! Only AMIGA makes it possible. Surfing from Connecticut USA Home Page: http://www.ntplx.net/~nmiller/ ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From animate@castles.com Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:08:07 -0500 (CDT) X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2169 (database) From: Daniel W Schallock To: studio16 Subject: RE: QMaster orders Date: Wed, 15 Apr 98 21:08:00 Message-ID: <199804152308.QAA00018@sparc1.castles.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id XAA23424for ; Wed, 15 Apr 1998 23:09:00 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA17605for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 00:50:19 +0200 X-Mailer: AEMail (Amiga EMail), Version 1.43, (c) 1997-1998 by John F. Zacharias Organization: The Schallock Family Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 0cad27fad99a6223b11e878430f841df On Tue, Apr 15, 1998, at 07:11 PM, Kenny Nilsen wrote: > My email address will expire 14th of May this year so if anyone would like > to order QMaster per email they must order soon. > > > - Kenny > > > ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) > I'm new. Whats Qmaster? Daniel. ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From kenny@bgnett.no 16 Apr 98 02:48:28 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2171 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: All Subject: QMaster info Date: Thu, 16 Apr 98 02:48:00 Message-ID: <4406.410T1446T1683071@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id BAA25228for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 01:01:28 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA19356for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 02:42:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 86d37c73c58dc3db266c5f5fd8bca903 . TITLE QMaster (for Studio 16) VERSION 1.2 DEMO AUTHOR Kenneth Chr. Nilsen/Digital Surface mailto:kenny@bgnett.no DESCRIPTION QMaster is an ARexx host which offer comands that can be accessed from arexx scripts. QMaster provides comands to handle every aspect of Studio 16's Cuelist files giving the arexx programmer full control and making life much easier for the user. The comands allow you to alter cuelist entries, tracks, preferences, remove, add, adjust, swap, copy entries and tracks, convert files to and from other formats, and in conjunction with other arexx hosts you can do automated processes, on-air organizing, connect with other programs such as video- and musicediting software, databases, networks, multimedia packages and so on, to influence the cuelist files and more. You don't have to be familar with arexx programming to take advantage of what QMaster can offer. QMaster comes with several arexx scripts that you can use just by double clicking their icons or by starting them from cli/shell. More scripts will come in the future. FEATURES QMaster provide more than 40 comands to handle Cuelists, convert times, provide requesters, information, resource tracking and more. With QMASTER you can: - create cuelist files from scratch - read/edit existing cuelist files - read/add/remove/cut/swap and alter tracks (Audio/AREXX) - read/add/remove and alter entries (Audio/AREXX) - read/alter and set preferences - load (add) and save track (TRAX) files - copy and paste tracks - do statistic operations - interface directly with the Amiga's global vars (SetEnv/GetEnv) - add progressbars to your scripts - add informal requesters to your scripts - add file- and directory requesters to your scripts - add string requesters to your scripts - convert between SMPTE (PAL/NTSC) and seconds - optionally auto detect video system (PAL/NTSC) - define 500.000 entries (100 tracks with 5000 entries on each) - get online help - invoke RESOURCE TRACKING if needed at any time and more... QMaster is written in assembler to achieve optimal speed in processing comands and content. QMaster has been through several weeks of betatesting and proves to be stable. The archive comes with several public domain arexx scripts which you can run from Workbench as well as from cli: AllToAny - sets all play/rec channels to "Any" AppendCuelists - merges two cuelist files horizontally w/ grouping CMXtoCUE - converts CMX EDL to Cuelist format opt. database CountCuelist - statistic info DumpCue - dumps info about all tracks/entries in cuelist FindEntry - search for an entry by keyword FixPaths - fixes entry paths if samples are moved on HD GroupEvents - search for keyword in events and group them ListEntries - dumps different entries used (one of each) MergeCuelists - same as Studio 16's built-in function with extras NameToCue - for fun, converts a string to cuelist 'letters' ReplaceEntries - search by keyword and select new from requester SampleTime - shows SMPTE time in PAL/NTSC (AUTO) for a sample StereoJukebox - puts samples in a dir after one eachother on cue StripEmpty - removes empty tracks from a cuelist file TestVideo - test script to auto detect video system You can also find tutorial scripts that show how to use some of the comands in QMaster. SPECIAL REQUIREMENTS - QMaster require MC68020 or better. - QMaster require OS 2.04 or better (developed on 3.1) AVAILABILITY Demo version is available from Aminet in mus/misc. Registred version is only available directly from author. ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/mus/misc/qmaster.lha PRICE QMaster is shareware. Read doc file for current prices. The DEMO version is crippled (clips at 4 tracks and 15 entries/track when saving and contains a nerve requester). Support of QMaster will support further development for Studio 16 add-ons. DISTRIBUTABILITY Freely distributable as SHAREWARE. STUDIO 16 MAILINGLIST If you would like to join the Studio 16 mailinglist you may write an mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type in body text: 'subscribe studio16 ' without ' and <>. No subject is needed. After confimation use the address studio16@thule.no. - Kenny ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From conlee@linkonline.net Wed, 15 Apr 1998 21:54:01 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2167 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2172 (database) From: Chris Conlee To: studio16 Subject: Re: QMaster orders Date: Thu, 16 Apr 98 05:54:00 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980415215401.006fc490@popsvr.linkonline.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id EAA28981for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 04:46:43 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA22805for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 06:27:37 +0200 X-Sender: conlee@popsvr.linkonline.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 9d5c2650405e5d24b08448a61125fd89 At 07:11 PM 4/15/98 +0100, you wrote: >My email address will expire 14th of May this year so if anyone would like >to order QMaster per email they must order soon. > > >- Kenny Kenny, I'm new to this list, so could you please fill me in on what QMaster is? Thanks. Chris Conlee ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From ImJohn@worldnet.att.net Thu, 16 Apr 1998 02:05:23 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2172 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2173 (database) From: John Rice To: studio16 Subject: Makedonian CD release ( made with Studio 16 ;-) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 98 10:05:00 Message-ID: <3535C9D3.CF454C09@worldnet.att.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id JAA04653for ; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 09:00:37 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA25004for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:41:31 +0200 Organization: Ib Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3.0.1.32.19980415215401.006fc490@popsvr.linkonline.net> Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: e84c96833dc4de56f222b090cafaa6f3 Hi all, Just a heads up note for anyone interested. We finally have the latest release by the Makedonians TZAZ in our hands. TZAZ is a 'live' disk taken from many different source DATs ( and one cassette! ) A majority of the DATs are from different performances at KING FM 98.1, recorded off the board by several different engineers ( hey, they work at a radio station, they must be REAL engineers! ;-) a few are from a quick direct to DAT session at my project studio and the rest are from various concerts and parties over the last several years. None of the source recordings were done with the thought in mind that they would ever be used on a release and most of the equipment I used is on the low mid level end of quality but all in all I'm quite pleased and proud of the final result. -The source tapes were transferred from a Sony 75ES DAT ( analog out ) and a Tascam 102MKII ( for the one song that was on cassette....the DAT had been eaten by the original engineers machine. ) - processed with small amounts of one or more of the following: Rane MQ302 stereo EQ DBX 266 stereo compressor BBE 422 Sonic Maximizer Roland RSP550 effects Roland M120 line mixer -and then recorded onto an Amiga 3000 with a Sunrize AD516 HD recording card @ 44.1 and Studio 16 software. In the Amiga the tracks were put in order, beginnings / endings trimmed, a couple pieces shortened by splicing out sections, fades and cross fades setup, and track to track volume normalization adjusted. -The final result was then recorded on a Sony R500 DAT at 44.1 via the analog inputs Monitoring for most of the project was through a pair of Tannoy PBM 6.5s powered by a Crown D75A amp. When I got the first proof back and after listening to it on several different stereo systems I realized that I had to much bottom end. I added a Tannoy powered sub ( cuz I didn't want to guess ) and made a 5 db cut 80Hz and a 1 db cut at 63Hz and 100 Hz. Besides getting credit for the 3 individual songs I recorded I'm given credit for 'Mastering' Now I told them that technically my part was more like post production and / or pre mastering and that's how the art work proof read but somehow it got changed in the final version. The disk manufacturing was handled by Martin Audio in Seattle WA. There was some communication breakdown as the people at Martin and I were only talking through the band leader / producer but I was told that the CDR proofs were made directly from my DATs and the folks at Martin didn't really do any adjustments. hhhmmmm.... If anyone is in the Tacoma WA USA area and would like to hear the band we will be performing at Borders Book store on Saturday April 18th 6:00 to 7:30 PM. Thanks to everyone in the forum. I've learned quite a bit here and it definitely made our CD much better. :-) ( and if you hear it and you think it sucks .. . .uuhhh... mmmm ..uuuhhhh if you're not supposed to eat meat . . . . ..how come it's food?????? ) ImJohn@worldnet.att.net .......I play drums. PS - I made sure that the Amiga and Sunrize card are in the credits! ;-) ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From studio16-owner@odin.thule.no Sat Apr 18 03:28:40 1998 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2175 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: All Subject: This Mailinglist Date: Sat, 18 Apr 98 05:23:00 Message-ID: <161.412T2485T3234538@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id DAA23810for ; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 03:28:40 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA02476for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 05:26:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject Status: RO If anyone with average userlevel on Internet is interrested in taking over this list as listowner, then give me a note in _private_ email. Thank you. - Kenny ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From studio16-owner@odin.thule.no Sat Apr 18 03:49:05 1998 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2175 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2176 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> This Mailinglist Date: Sat, 18 Apr 98 04:49:00 Message-ID: <353822B2.F772C7C7@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id DAA24075for ; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 03:49:04 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA02605for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 05:48:43 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <161.412T2485T3234538@bgnett.no> Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject Status: RO Kenny Nilsen wrote: >If anyone with average userlevel on Internet is interrested in taking over >this list as listowner, then give me a note in _private_ email. Thank you. Whereever this goes Kenny, I want to thank you for your contributions to the list and to all Studio16 users who are astute enough to recognize what a great thing you have done. I hope you will realize the rewards of your efforts. One of your friends in Amigadom, greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From studio16-owner@odin.thule.no Sat Apr 18 05:07:51 1998 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2173 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2177 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: Makedonian CD release ( made with Studio 16 ;-) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 98 06:07:00 Message-ID: <35383511.6FD60566@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id FAA25147for ; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 05:07:51 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA03307for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 07:07:13 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3.0.1.32.19980415215401.006fc490@popsvr.linkonline.net> <3535C9D3.CF454C09@worldnet.att.net> Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject Status: O John Rice wrote: >We finally have the latest release by the Makedonians TZAZ in our hands. > --snip of much pertinent material-- >and then recorded onto an Amiga 3000 with a Sunrize AD516 HD recording >card @ 44.1 and Studio 16 software. > --more snippage-- Congrats! It is always good to hear about creative people doing something. (And using Amigas too!) >If anyone is in the Tacoma WA USA area and would like to hear the band we >will be performing at Borders Book store on Saturday April 18th 6:00 to >7:30 PM. Alas, formerly lived in Tacoma area; just left Seattle area a few years ago. But reading the invite flashed some good pictures of Pt Defiance, the old smokestack, Steilacoom, etc. (Ah jee, seeing Kenny's announcement, thinking about the Amiga's glory days, and having good old days at Court C--I'm tearing up!...>snuffle<) >PS - I made sure that the Amiga and Sunrize card are in the credits! ;-) This is as it should be. Take care, John! Oh, is your CD available anywhere? Like BlockButt-ers (heh-heh)? I am interested. -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From studio16-owner@odin.thule.no Sat Apr 18 05:33:29 1998 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2177 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2178 (database) From: troy silvey To: studio16 Subject: Amendment to -> made with Studio 16 ;-) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 98 06:39:01 Message-ID: <19980418.013951.9990.4.tc_silvey@juno.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id FAA25480for ; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 05:33:28 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA03578for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 07:33:03 +0200 References: <3.0.1.32.19980415215401.006fc490@popsvr.linkonline.net> <3535C9D3.CF454C09@worldnet.att.net><35383511.6FD60566@bigsky.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-15 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject Status: O >Congrats! It is always good to hear about creative people doing >something. (And using Amigas too!) I don't recall, but did I mention also that MEN AT WORK (major aussie band from the mid 80's) was back together and using A4000/060/dual AD516's to do some of their new tracks? They plan to release a "new" CD this year. "new" because I was told it will be a re-release of their Brazil tour from about a year or so ago and is suppose to contain some new songs authored on the Ami. At least that was the last info I had from Greg of the band in mid-december 97. Last I heard, they were headed for a concert/holiday in florida and then planed to be on the road for a while. I hope to hear back from them someday :) troy _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From studio16-owner@odin.thule.no Sat Apr 18 05:56:54 1998 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2178 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2179 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: YAM> Amendment to -> made with Studio 16 ;-) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 98 06:56:01 Message-ID: <353840A8.18391510@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id FAA25859for ; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 05:56:54 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA03898for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 07:56:36 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3.0.1.32.19980415215401.006fc490@popsvr.linkonline.net> <3535C9D3.CF454C09@worldnet.att.net><35383511.6FD60566@bigsky.net> <19980418.013951.9990.4.tc_silvey@juno.com> Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject Status: O troy silvey wrote: >>Congrats! It is always good to hear about creative people doing >>something. (And using Amigas too!) > >I don't recall, but did I mention also that MEN AT WORK >(major aussie band from the mid 80's) >was back together and using A4000/060/dual AD516's >to do some of their new tracks? They plan to release >a "new" CD this year. "new" because I was told it will be a >re-release of their Brazil tour from about a year or so ago and >is suppose to contain some new songs authored >on the Ami. At least that was the last info I had from >Greg of the band in mid-december 97. Last I heard, they were >headed for a concert/holiday in florida and then planed to >be on the road for a while. I hope to hear back from them someday :) It will be good to hear some of their stuff again. Have you heard of Yothu Yindi? That's an Aussie tribal/rock band I shot video for a couple of times. And they use yidaki (digeridus) too! Tim Finn (Crowded House) has appeared on their albums. The Amiga, and Studio16 have been involved in many illustrious projects over the years. It took true believers to do it, especially when the "chicken lips" (CBM) were still around. When I lived in Seattle there was a decent-sized Amiga users' group at [gasp!] MicroSoft. And they studied the Amigas during working hours too. Several trade shows I went to Amigas were doing the work behind the curtains for other platforms (shades of the Wizard of Oz!) and IBM, among others used Amigas extensively for business presentations. Here's to continued fun and creativity with the Amiga, -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From kenny@bgnett.no 18 Apr 98 16:38:52 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2176 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2181 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: greenboy Subject: Re: S16> This Mailinglist Date: Sat, 18 Apr 98 16:38:01 Message-ID: <284.412T2620T9984141@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id OAA04263for ; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 14:43:28 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA08863for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 16:42:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: bee4f65505aa9cdbd5c81ce6390f56e1 greenboy wrote: >Kenny Nilsen wrote: >[...]great thing you have done. I hope you will realize the rewards of your >efforts. >One of your friends in Amigadom, I appreciate it greenboy! I will still continue to develop stuff, but not at the speed and motivation as before. - Kenny ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From baff@mindspring.com Sat, 18 Apr 1998 00:19:18 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2182 (database) From: Brian Fields To: all Subject: It's Alive!!! Date: Fri, 17 Apr 98 20:19:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id QAA07236for ; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 16:58:46 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA09757for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 18:57:53 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 3d303829eefca7f481d82f4bae124fea Hi Kenny and all, I'm out of the woods! IT"S WORKING FLAWLESSLY!(Broadcaster Elite NLE board) YA-A-A-A-A-AY!! The turn came when after playing with different SCSI and device settings I chose NoReselection in the two configuration programs. (cybPPCcontrol and SCSIconfig). Amoung other little fixes. Just to push the video compression to the max to see what it would do, I tried OverKill2 Mode and got flawless JStream at; 6.86 Megs/sec - Mean Frame size 228,788 - 3:1 Compression ============== I now have a total audio/video Amiga digital editing suite! Now that this is over I can spend more time in Studio16 and get the SMPTE and overall system network stuff worked out. -- Brian baff@stc.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From ImJohn@worldnet.att.net Sat, 18 Apr 1998 10:25:52 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2177 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2183 (database) From: John Rice To: studio16 Subject: Re: Makedonian CD release ( made with Studio 16 ;-) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 98 18:25:01 Message-ID: <3538E220.F2946997@worldnet.att.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA07646for ; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 17:20:38 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA10041for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 19:19:48 +0200 Organization: Ib Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3.0.1.32.19980415215401.006fc490@popsvr.linkonline.net> <3535C9D3.CF454C09@worldnet.att.net> <35383511.6FD60566@bigsky.net> Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 599e2a0396e6ddb7bbfb1f1b6f0551b0 > Alas, formerly lived in Tacoma area; just left Seattle area a few years > ago. But reading the invite flashed some good pictures of Pt Defiance, > the old smokestack, Steilacoom, etc. (Ah jee, seeing Kenny's announcement, > thinking about the Amiga's glory days, and having good old days at Court > C--I'm tearing up!...>snuffle<) Not to add to your homesick grief ;-) but did you know that the smelter smokestackis no longer there? It was imploded 5 or 6 years ago. It was both a sad and exciting day around here. Did you go to school around here? I went to Washington elementary, Mason junior high and Wilson high. Also a couple years at PLU. And if you like progressive rock music you might of seen one of my bands play in the area, THEATRE and / or BALANCE. > > > >PS - I made sure that the Amiga and Sunrize card are in the credits! ;-) > > This is as it should be. Take care, John! Oh, is your CD available > anywhere? Like BlockButt-ers (heh-heh)? I am interested. > I may be a little late now but if everyone who ever used an Amiga had made sure thatthe credits contained the AMIGA name, it would have help public awareness and possibly added a lot of strength to the user base. RE: TZAZ - Thanks for the interest! We are just starting to get them into as many outlets as possible. Borders book store in Tacoma WA should have them as we speak and if you have a Borders store near you I'm sure that they could do a special order or store to store transfer. If I didn't mention it before the Makedonians play Greek, Yugoslavian, Bulgarian, Turkish, Macedonian, Balkan folk music with interpretations that range from fairly traditional to more jazz / fusion like. Artist : The Makedonians Album Title : TZAZ Label : MAK Rekords Catalog # : MAK 08972 Full UPC : 712657089726 Category : Folk / Ethnic / Local / Independent Or if you prefer, you can order one directly from me for $15.00 plus $2.00 postage. Just send a check or money order and your mailing address. ( shipment of the CD may be suspended until personal checks clear the bank, at our option. Like if the check is written out in crayon and the shipping address is a PO Box in Peru . . . . ......then we will probably wait to see if it clears! ;-) send orders to: TZAZ Attn. John L Rice 2522 North Proctor Suite 164 Tacoma WA 98406 Take care! ImJohn@worldnet.att.net .......I play drums. ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From ImJohn@worldnet.att.net Sat, 18 Apr 1998 10:29:48 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2178 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2184 (database) From: John Rice To: studio16 Subject: Re: Amendment to -> made with Studio 16 ;-) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 98 18:29:00 Message-ID: <3538E30C.A9BF6BEE@worldnet.att.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA07728for ; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 17:24:37 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA10100for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 19:24:06 +0200 Organization: Ib Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3.0.1.32.19980415215401.006fc490@popsvr.linkonline.net> <3535C9D3.CF454C09@worldnet.att.net><35383511.6FD60566@bigsky.net> <19980418.013951.9990.4.tc_silvey@juno.com> Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 160120db03832baed5b55cd2095d24a5 > I don't recall, but did I mention also that MEN AT WORK > (major aussie band from the mid 80's) > was back together and using A4000/060/dual AD516's > to do some of their new tracks? Hey, that's great! ImJohn@worldnet.att.net .......I play drums. ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From maurizio@ivg.it Sat, 18 Apr 1998 20:29:13 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2186 (database) From: Maurizio Ciccione To: Dave Hardy Subject: Re: Prostation Date: Sat, 18 Apr 98 16:29:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA08939for ; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 18:37:38 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA10796for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 20:37:03 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.2 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: c720b31898c2dea6b587e42c45899be0 >ON Apr. 9 Gord Clink wrote. >>So what's the latest on Prostation..... or will that become a reality? >Never seen any specs on this. Don't know whether its hardware or software It's software, Dave. A 040/16MB is the recommended entry-level setup. The application is designed for 060 systems. Since February we're experimenting on the 604/060 dual-processor architecture too, but the first ProStation release is for the 680x0. All the best, dr. Maurizio Ciccione AudioLabs, Digital Audio Engineering http://www.audiolabs.it ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From maurizio@ivg.it Sat, 18 Apr 1998 12:03:30 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2118 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2187 (database) From: Maurizio Ciccione To: Gord Clink Subject: Re: Prostation Date: Sat, 18 Apr 98 08:03:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA08953for ; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 18:38:02 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA10795for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 20:37:01 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.2 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: ff4c4f117dab746814cda6e38b51ed2d >So what's the latest on Prostation..... or will that become a reality? Hello Gord, AudioLabs just bought an Internet domain. A web server is available at www.audiolabs.it, please add this address to your bookmarks. Informations on ProStation will be published there. If you have specific technical questions I can answer here or privately. All the best, dr. Maurizio Ciccione AudioLabs, Digital Audio Engineering http://www.audiolabs.it ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Sat, 18 Apr 1998 13:23:46 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2183 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2188 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: Makedonian CD release ( made with Studio 16 ;-) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 98 20:23:00 Message-ID: <3538FDC2.4477B8A9@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id TAA09880for ; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 19:23:39 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA11147for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 21:23:23 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3.0.1.32.19980415215401.006fc490@popsvr.linkonline.net> <3535C9D3.CF454C09@worldnet.att.net> <35383511.6FD60566@bigsky.net> <3538E220.F2946997@worldnet.att.net> Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 5ffb3595d5f295d8e557b70e7c3faf40 John Rice wrote: >Not to add to your homesick grief ;-) but did you know that the smelter >smokestack is no longer there? --snip-- Also a couple years at PLU. And if >you like progressive rock music you might of seen one of my bands play in >the area, THEATRE and/or BALANCE. Since we talked, two more Tacoma-related mentions came up on other m-lists. Syncronicity? I went to PLU for 2 years in the early seventies before deciding to JUST play in Ball&Chain, Cout Cee Lab Band, and the Shaft Club (on Broadway in '72 or so) house band. I knew about the stack; was living in Seattle when they blew it. I like all kinds of music. But Tacoma - other than ocassional visits - was a long time ago. The only Tacoma band I REMEMBER seeing while living in the Emerald City was the Malchicks, at the Rebar. >I may be a little late now but if everyone who ever used an Amiga had made >sure thatthe credits contained the AMIGA name, it would have help public >awareness and possibly added a lot of strength to the user base. I think we need newer, flashier stuff to really expand that user base. >RE: TZAZ - Thanks for the interest! We are just starting to get them into >as many outlets as possible. Borders book store in Tacoma WA should have >them as we speak and if you have a Borders store near you I'm sure that >they could do a special order or store to store transfer. Borders are only the biggest in the world, along with Barnes & Noble. Those two own B. Dalton's and Waldenbook's as well, and are currently under investigation for unfair trade-practices. I hope YOU won't be jailed {small laugh}. That is a good way to get things rolling, placement in local outlets of chains. (New Age oriented stuff seems to do alright in Natural Health Food stores, FI.) >If I didn't mention it before the Makedonians play Greek, Yugoslavian, >Bulgarian, Turkish, Macedonian, Balkan folk music with interpretations >that range from fairly traditional to more jazz/fusion like. Ah! I love that. So you are playing all those great meters like 17/8, 15/16 etc? A few jazz groups (of course one of them would be displayed on Dave Brubeck's ground-breaking Take Five album) have crossed over in the other direction. I especially enjoyed the Don Ellis Big Band's late '60s/early '70s experiments in meter, polytonal and quartertone, "psychedelic" electronic miasmas. I've seen a few groups also cross the stuff over into Yiddish music, like the NAMA Folk Orchestra. Cool. > Artist: The Makedonians > Album Title: TZAZ > Label: MAK Rekords > Catalog #: MAK 08972 > Full UPC: 712657089726 > Category: Folk/Ethnic/Local/Independent Lets just leave that little quote in, shall we? ;-) >Or if you prefer, you can order one directly from me for $15.00 >plus $2.00 postage. Ulp, erp - no Studio16 m-list discount? I am shocked. Still... > TZAZ > Attn. John L Rice > 2522 North Proctor > Suite 164 > Tacoma WA 98406 Ah yes, I vaguely remember that neighborhood! >.......I play drums. You must! Those meters scare away most players. Take care, John! -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From jkrutz@meta.burner.com Sat, 18 Apr 98 12:48:56 MST X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2176 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2191 (database) From: Jamie Krutz To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> This Mailinglist Date: Sat, 18 Apr 98 20:48:01 Message-ID: <9804181948.AA016og@meta.burner.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id LAA10553for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:29:38 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA03759for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 13:08:23 +0200 References: <353822B2.F772C7C7@bigsky.net> X-NewsSoftware: GRn 2.1 Feb 19, 1994 Organization: The Back Burner BBS Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: c21e521124e53cfcd9accf2da0ee9795 In article <353822B2.F772C7C7@bigsky.net> greenboy writes: > Kenny Nilsen wrote: > >If anyone with average userlevel on Internet is interrested in taking over > >this list as listowner, then give me a note in _private_ email. Thank you. > > Whereever this goes Kenny, I want to thank you for your contributions to the > list and to all Studio16 users who are astute enough to recognize what a > great thing you have done. I hope you will realize the rewards of your > efforts. Hear, hear! Thanks for running this list, Kenny, and for your many efforts to make Studio16 more useful! Best Regards, -Jamie ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From kenny@bgnett.no 18 Apr 98 21:16:31 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2182 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2192 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Brian Fields Subject: Re: It's Alive!!! Date: Sat, 18 Apr 98 21:16:00 Message-ID: <175.412T1571T12763680@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id MAA11758for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:10:41 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA05451for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 13:49:24 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 18817c1acdce4def9d46cc35ba353d9e Brian Fields wrote: >IT"S WORKING FLAWLESSLY!(Broadcaster Elite NLE board) YA-A-A-A-A-AY!! Congrats Brian! I am sure you will have a great time with your suite :) - Kenny ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From jonn@crl.com Sun, 19 Apr 1998 04:36:25 -0700 (PDT) X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2193 (database) From: Jonathan Neisch To: studio16 Subject: Phantom SMPTE Date: Sun, 19 Apr 98 12:36:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (root@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id MAA11946for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:18:06 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA02880for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:50:38 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 38735929fc74da8a8d3a9dce03536cbb I hope this isn't too far off topic... I've used a Phantom SMPTE interface on a 68000 Amiga, but would like to connect it to a 68040 Amiga. The support software crashes (the system) on 040's! Has anyone found a patch for this? Does anyone know what became of Dr. T's, the designers of the Phantom? Thanks for any insights. ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Sat, 18 Apr 1998 13:36:10 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2187 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2194 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Prostation Date: Sat, 18 Apr 98 20:36:00 Message-ID: <353900AA.C1988EA3@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (root@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id MAA12073for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:23:27 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA02976for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:52:53 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 304c5e567f6041bb918bb0ea8f8e6a90 Maurizio Ciccione wrote: >AudioLabs just bought an Internet domain. A web server is available at >www.audiolabs.it, please add this address to your bookmarks. >Informations on ProStation will be published there. THAT is good news! Got it on the hotlist, will visit when I get back from band practice. Then, the deluge of questions and observations! ;^) >040/16MB is the recommended entry-level setup. The application is designed >for 060. Since February we're experimenting on the 604/060 dual-processor >architecture too, but the first ProStation release is for the 680x0. Ah, modern! I like it! But I am almost afraid to ask: what is happening on the AD516 driver issue? Friend of Amigas -- -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From baff@mindspring.com Sat, 18 Apr 1998 14:31:13 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2176 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2195 (database) From: Brian Fields To: greenboy Subject: Re: S16> This Mailinglist Date: Sat, 18 Apr 98 10:31:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (root@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id MAA12176for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:26:21 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA03031for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:54:46 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 0cd4648ddd7892a28e077ac4b60c8b0a On 18-Apr-98, greenboy wrote: >Kenny Nilsen wrote: >>If anyone with average userlevel on Internet is interrested in taking over >>this list as listowner, then give me a note in _private_ email. Thank you. >Whereever this goes Kenny, I want to thank you for your contributions to the >list and to all Studio16 users who are astute enough to recognize what a >great thing you have done. I hope you will realize the rewards of your >efforts. >One of your friends in Amigadom, >greenboy I would like to second that greenboy. I am soory to say that I still haven't tapped into the power of Qmaster due to getting the video side working properly. But that's over now and I am looking forward to doing more audio/music. Kenny you're a gem and I would be proud to have you add my name to your list of friends also. >** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) -- Many thanks, and Best Regards, Brian Fields baff@mindspring.com - (switching to; baff@stc.net) ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From jkrutz@meta.burner.com Sat, 18 Apr 98 12:48:56 MST X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2176 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2198 (database) From: Jamie Krutz To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> This Mailinglist Date: Sat, 18 Apr 98 20:48:01 Message-ID: <9804181948.AA016og@meta.burner.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id LAA10553for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:29:38 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA03759for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 13:08:23 +0200 References: <353822B2.F772C7C7@bigsky.net> X-NewsSoftware: GRn 2.1 Feb 19, 1994 Organization: The Back Burner BBS Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: c21e521124e53cfcd9accf2da0ee9795 In article <353822B2.F772C7C7@bigsky.net> greenboy writes: > Kenny Nilsen wrote: > >If anyone with average userlevel on Internet is interrested in taking over > >this list as listowner, then give me a note in _private_ email. Thank you. > > Whereever this goes Kenny, I want to thank you for your contributions to the > list and to all Studio16 users who are astute enough to recognize what a > great thing you have done. I hope you will realize the rewards of your > efforts. Hear, hear! Thanks for running this list, Kenny, and for your many efforts to make Studio16 more useful! Best Regards, -Jamie ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From kenny@bgnett.no 18 Apr 98 21:16:31 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2182 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2199 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Brian Fields Subject: Re: It's Alive!!! Date: Sat, 18 Apr 98 21:16:00 Message-ID: <175.412T1571T12763680@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id MAA11758for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:10:41 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA05451for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 13:49:24 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 18817c1acdce4def9d46cc35ba353d9e Brian Fields wrote: >IT"S WORKING FLAWLESSLY!(Broadcaster Elite NLE board) YA-A-A-A-A-AY!! Congrats Brian! I am sure you will have a great time with your suite :) - Kenny ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From jonn@crl.com Sun, 19 Apr 1998 04:36:25 -0700 (PDT) X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2200 (database) From: Jonathan Neisch To: studio16 Subject: Phantom SMPTE Date: Sun, 19 Apr 98 12:36:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (root@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id MAA11946for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:18:06 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA02880for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:50:38 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 38735929fc74da8a8d3a9dce03536cbb I hope this isn't too far off topic... I've used a Phantom SMPTE interface on a 68000 Amiga, but would like to connect it to a 68040 Amiga. The support software crashes (the system) on 040's! Has anyone found a patch for this? Does anyone know what became of Dr. T's, the designers of the Phantom? Thanks for any insights. ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Sat, 18 Apr 1998 13:36:10 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2187 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2201 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Prostation Date: Sat, 18 Apr 98 20:36:00 Message-ID: <353900AA.C1988EA3@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (root@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id MAA12073for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:23:27 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA02976for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:52:53 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 304c5e567f6041bb918bb0ea8f8e6a90 Maurizio Ciccione wrote: >AudioLabs just bought an Internet domain. A web server is available at >www.audiolabs.it, please add this address to your bookmarks. >Informations on ProStation will be published there. THAT is good news! Got it on the hotlist, will visit when I get back from band practice. Then, the deluge of questions and observations! ;^) >040/16MB is the recommended entry-level setup. The application is designed >for 060. Since February we're experimenting on the 604/060 dual-processor >architecture too, but the first ProStation release is for the 680x0. Ah, modern! I like it! But I am almost afraid to ask: what is happening on the AD516 driver issue? Friend of Amigas -- -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From baff@mindspring.com Sat, 18 Apr 1998 14:31:13 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2176 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2202 (database) From: Brian Fields To: greenboy Subject: Re: S16> This Mailinglist Date: Sat, 18 Apr 98 10:31:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (root@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id MAA12176for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:26:21 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA03031for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:54:46 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 0cd4648ddd7892a28e077ac4b60c8b0a On 18-Apr-98, greenboy wrote: >Kenny Nilsen wrote: >>If anyone with average userlevel on Internet is interrested in taking over >>this list as listowner, then give me a note in _private_ email. Thank you. >Whereever this goes Kenny, I want to thank you for your contributions to the >list and to all Studio16 users who are astute enough to recognize what a >great thing you have done. I hope you will realize the rewards of your >efforts. >One of your friends in Amigadom, >greenboy I would like to second that greenboy. I am soory to say that I still haven't tapped into the power of Qmaster due to getting the video side working properly. But that's over now and I am looking forward to doing more audio/music. Kenny you're a gem and I would be proud to have you add my name to your list of friends also. >** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) -- Many thanks, and Best Regards, Brian Fields baff@mindspring.com - (switching to; baff@stc.net) ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From conlee@linkonline.net Sat, 18 Apr 1998 21:19:20 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2186 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2203 (database) From: Chris Conlee To: studio16 Subject: Re: Prostation Date: Sun, 19 Apr 98 05:19:00 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980418211920.006f4260@popsvr.linkonline.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (root@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id MAA12648for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:42:38 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA06420for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:10:48 +0200 X-Sender: conlee@popsvr.linkonline.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: d2dd53fdc505f3b6541435b1bb535e5c At 08:29 PM 4/18/98 +0500, you wrote: >>ON Apr. 9 Gord Clink wrote. > >>>So what's the latest on Prostation..... or will that become a reality? > >>Never seen any specs on this. Don't know whether its hardware or software > >It's software, Dave. A 040/16MB is the recommended entry-level setup. >The application is designed for 060 systems. Since February we're >experimenting on the 604/060 dual-processor architecture too, but the >first ProStation release is for the 680x0. > >All the best, > >dr. Maurizio Ciccione >AudioLabs, Digital Audio Engineering >http://www.audiolabs.it > I don't know anything about this software package, but I'm a Draco user, and was wondering if it will be able to work on the Draco? Cost? Etc. Chris ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Mon, 20 Apr 1998 08:07:17 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2200 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2204 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: Phantom SMPTE Date: Mon, 20 Apr 98 15:07:00 Message-ID: <353B5695.AF198EA9@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id OAA15435for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:12:36 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA10434for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:48:50 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: e977468681a36914e2a9522bebfca718 Jonathan Neisch wrote: > I hope this isn't too far off topic... I've used a Phantom SMPTE > interface on a 68000 Amiga, but would like to connect it to a 68040 > Amiga. The support software crashes (the system) on 040's! Has anyone > found a patch for this? Does anyone know what became of Dr. T's, the > designers of the Phantom? Thanks for any insights. Used any search engines? Although if Dr T isn't even a player anymore, on other platforms, I doubt support is going to come from him. Other music- related m-lists (Bars&Pipes) or websites probably could help. I know there is a 020+ version. Good luck. -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From baff@mindspring.com Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:32:40 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2193 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2208 (database) From: Brian Fields To: Jonathan Neisch Subject: Re: Phantom SMPTE Date: Mon, 20 Apr 98 16:32:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id LAA15376for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:36:24 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA00948for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 13:16:39 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 97cc6aa42d093a240b5dbec7626fe938 On 19-Apr-98, Jonathan Neisch wrote: >I hope this isn't too far off topic... I've used a Phantom SMPTE >interface on a 68000 Amiga, but would like to connect it to a 68040 >Amiga. The support software crashes (the system) on 040's! Has anyone >found a patch for this? Does anyone know what became of Dr. T's, the >designers of the Phantom? Thanks for any insights. Not a lot of traffic for a bit off topic I guess. We can write personally after this if you like. But please use my baff@stc.net address. I've got one a friend gave me with no software also, but I haven't used it yet. I thought that the Bars&Pipes software drove it with no problem. Am I wrong? There is an accessory for it in B&P which I have which comes with the 2.5b version if I am not mistaken which is at; http://members.theglobe.com/geoarn/download.html. I hope I'm not off base about this........ >** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) -- Brian Fields baff@mindspring.com ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From tc_silvey@juno.com Mon, 20 Apr 1998 21:51:17 -0400 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2170 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2209 (database) From: troy silvey To: studio16 Subject: Amendment to my Amendment Date: Tue, 21 Apr 98 02:51:00 Message-ID: <19980420.215119.9990.1.tc_silvey@juno.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id LAA15387for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:36:29 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA00918for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 13:16:25 +0200 References: <4406.410T1446T1683071@bgnett.no> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-7 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: d42edd8a1261d2ccb11244da97a6d2aa Well no sooner said than done. I just recieved a note from Greg Ham (Men At Work fame) who tells me he exspecs the new MAW CD to be released in the states by august and the single made with the Ami by july. It will be out from sony. Just about in time for my birthday. So who needs my address to send me a CD present :) troy _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From baff@mindspring.com Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:37:06 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2185 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2210 (database) From: Brian Fields To: Kenny Nilsen Subject: Re: It's Alive!!! Date: Mon, 20 Apr 98 16:37:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id LAA15377for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:36:24 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA00916for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 13:16:23 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: c8f79a35560f0aa7049b9c1dbe9306ef On 19-Apr-98, Kenny Nilsen wrote: >Brian Fields wrote: >>IT"S WORKING FLAWLESSLY!(Broadcaster Elite NLE board) YA-A-A-A-A-AY!! >Congrats Brian! I am sure you will have a great time with your suite :) >- Kenny I'm looking forward to using QMaster now. And hopefully I can give you more input on your great effort. Thanks Kenny, BTW; I sent a subscribe >** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) -- Brian Fields baff@mindspring.com ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From net@dutch.nl Tue, 21 Apr 1998 00:32:19 +0900 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2212 (database) From: Rene' Schaap To: studio16 Subject: RE: Prostation Date: Mon, 20 Apr 98 16:32:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id LAA15890for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:53:03 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA01919for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 13:34:24 +0200 X-ROUTED: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 00:33:42 0000 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Net X-Mailer: AEMAIL (Amiga eMail), Version 1.40 (October 10 1997), (c) 1997 by John F. Zacharias Organization: No Empty Tape Productions Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 59fdb2bfaec762d58140355853addcb4 On Sat, Apr 18, 1998, at 08:29 PM, Maurizio Ciccione wrote: > >ON Apr. 9 Gord Clink wrote. > > >>So what's the latest on Prostation..... or will that become a reality? > > >Never seen any specs on this. Don't know whether its hardware or software > > It's software, Dave. A 040/16MB is the recommended entry-level setup. > The application is designed for 060 systems. Since February we're > experimenting on the 604/060 dual-processor architecture too, but the > first ProStation release is for the 680x0. Can't Wait Maurizio,when will it be lauched ???? Will there be a beta version or do you need some beta-testers ???? I'd love to beta-test for You. > All the best, > > dr. Maurizio Ciccione > AudioLabs, Digital Audio Engineering > http://www.audiolabs.it > SeeYaa Rene'(DSP) Schaap _ ( ) No Empty tape Productions. ------------------------------ Get your Masterplan ready for the interactive decade. Email : net@Dutch.nl Homepage: http://www.dutch.nl/net Voice : 0031 (0)35 52 42 72 0 FAX : 0031 (0)35 52 66 31 7 ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From net@dutch.nl Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:01:56 +0900 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2214 (database) From: Rene' Schaap To: studio16 Subject: RE: S16> This Mailinglist Date: Mon, 20 Apr 98 12:01:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (root@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id MAA17004for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:34:05 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA02464for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 13:45:31 +0200 X-ROUTED: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:04:22 0000 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Net X-Mailer: AEMAIL (Amiga eMail), Version 1.40 (October 10 1997), (c) 1997 by John F. Zacharias Organization: No Empty Tape Productions Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 6801ecb99824a3909ddeb143f6c4fa15 Hey Kenny, I have learned a lot from the mailing list. I think somebody must continue the list because we need it. Thanks Kenny for Q-MAster and this mailing list. You brought a little usergroup together including some very important people Like mr Ben Fuller and dr.Maurizio Ciccione. We all can make the Amiga a surviver,lets do it and keep it alive by using it. SeeYaa, Rene'(DSP) Schaap _ ( ) No Empty tape Productions. ------------------------------ Get your Masterplan ready for the interactive decade. Email : net@Dutch.nl Homepage: http://www.dutch.nl/net Voice : 0031 (0)35 52 42 72 0 FAX : 0031 (0)35 52 66 31 7 ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From ImJohn@worldnet.att.net Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:10:20 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2188 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2215 (database) From: John Rice To: studio16 Subject: Re: Makedonian CD release ( made with Studio 16 ;-) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 98 17:10:00 Message-ID: <353B736C.D3C7E6C4@worldnet.att.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (root@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id MAA17121for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:38:46 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA03173for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 14:04:12 +0200 Organization: Ib Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3.0.1.32.19980415215401.006fc490@popsvr.linkonline.net> <3535C9D3.CF454C09@worldnet.att.net> <35383511.6FD60566@bigsky.net> <3538E220.F2946997@worldnet.att.net> <3538FDC2.4477B8A9@bigsky.net> Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: bc20a44fa6cef4c285a334cdd705a916 > I went to PLU for 2 years in the early seventies I was there between '77 and '80 > before > deciding to JUST play in Ball&Chain, Cout Cee Lab Band, and the Shaft Club > (on Broadway in '72 or so) house band. Ball&Chain sounds familiar........ > I like all kinds of music. But Tacoma - other than ocassional visits - was > a long time ago. The only Tacoma band I REMEMBER seeing while living in > the Emerald City was the Malchicks, at the Rebar. Interesting! I used to work with the manager of the Malchicks, Howie, at our day job. ( Roundup Music, the distribution warehouse for Fred Meyer's audio / video section ) > I think we need newer, flashier stuff to really expand that user base. (RE: > Amiga ) Definitely! The Amiga should lead the way in voice recognition, video recognition andartificial intelligence. > Borders are only the biggest in the world, along with Barnes & Noble. > Those two own B. Dalton's and Waldenbook's as well, and are currently > under investigation for unfair trade-practices. I hope YOU won't be jailed > {small laugh}. ...uuhhhhh.......yeah .. ... .heehehhe ..... if anyone needs to find me my nameis William Stevens and I live in . .. . uuhhhhh . .. .. .on a small island . . just off the coast of Java........ or was it Madagascar . . . .. > > > >If I didn't mention it before the Makedonians play Greek, Yugoslavian, > >Bulgarian, Turkish, Macedonian, Balkan folk music with interpretations > >that range from fairly traditional to more jazz/fusion like. > > Ah! I love that. So you are playing all those great meters like 17/8, > 15/16 etc? Off the top of my head I don't remember any in 15 or 17 but we do have 'em in 3/4, 4/4, 5/8, 5/4, 7/8, 9/8, 10/8, 11/8, 18/8, and 25/8! ;-) I've always liked classical / symphonic music and I'm a major fan of progressive rock and fusion jazz. It took me awhile to get used to Balkan odd times though because the subdivisions of the measures were more unpredictable than what I had encountered before. > > Artist: The Makedonians > > Album Title: TZAZ > > Label: MAK Rekords > > Catalog #: MAK 08972 > > Full UPC: 712657089726 > > Category: Folk/Ethnic/Local/Independent > > Lets just leave that little quote in, shall we? ;-) You mean the one above?????? > > > >Or if you prefer, you can order one directly from me for $15.00 > >plus $2.00 postage. > > Ulp, erp - no Studio16 m-list discount? I am shocked. Still... > Well, we are still getting things established. I would hate to quote tolow of a price and then wind up paying out of my pocket. This weekend we played at Borders as the kickoff for the CD release and they have our CDs marked at $13.95! Hey, no one told me! We are looking into get hooked up with a distributor and I'm sure there will be minimums we can charge, price protection for retailers, etc., etc. that we will have to deal with. For now lets just say $15.00 from me and that includes postage. > >.......I play drums. > > You must! Those meters scare away most players. Well, they scare me sometimes still ... . . . .I guess I just don't run away! ;-) Take care! ImJohn@worldnet.att.net .......I play drums. ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:26:13 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2225 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: S16> Weekend Sock-hop Date: Wed, 22 Apr 98 07:26:00 Message-ID: <353D8D85.6D17755@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id GAA10384for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 06:26:30 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA05506for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 08:07:29 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 66ba67f9428cb5f7ed3e3eca14ff7c79 Quiet here again? You guys still haven't recovered from playing at that sock-hop last weekend? Sheeesh, the punch wasn't that strong! -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From baff@stc.net Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:14:46 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2225 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2227 (database) From: Brian Fields To: greenboy Subject: Re: S16> Weekend Sock-hop Date: Wed, 22 Apr 98 08:14:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA03937for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 18:32:29 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA25961for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 20:09:41 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 3770bb9f2aa12d7bee871ffc4d65e6b0 Hi greenboy, >Quiet here again? You guys still haven't recovered from playing at that >sock-hop last weekend? Sheeesh, the punch wasn't that strong! Yeah but you don't know your own strength. There were complications with the black eye. . . . . >-- >greenboy >** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) -- Brian baff@stc.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Wed, 22 Apr 1998 14:38:05 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2227 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2229 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Weekend Sock-hop Date: Wed, 22 Apr 98 21:38:00 Message-ID: <353E552D.1BBA2A41@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id UAA06890for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 20:38:56 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA28428for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 22:20:02 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 8d6819cf772a2ba5e622a3c582750f8e Brian Fields: > >>Quiet here again? You guys still haven't recovered from playing at that >>sock-hop last weekend? Sheeesh, the punch wasn't that strong! > >Yeah but you don't know your own strength. There were complications with >the black eye. . . . . Sorry, I didn't recognize you in the pink Jackie O. getup -- -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From baff@stc.net Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:58:02 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2229 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2230 (database) From: Brian Fields To: greenboy Subject: Re: S16> Weekend Sock-hop Date: Wed, 22 Apr 98 11:58:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA07709for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:09:42 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA29232for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 22:51:02 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 4b982f99a9e4bbec301013b97a56f498 Hi greenboy, >Brian Fields: >> >>>Quiet here again? You guys still haven't recovered from playing at that >>>sock-hop last weekend? Sheeesh, the punch wasn't that strong! >> >>Yeah but you don't know your own strength. There were complications with >>the black eye. . . . . >Sorry, I didn't recognize you in the pink Jackie O. getup -- Speaking of which; Are the jackies on the backies of the AD1012'ies able to be utilized in pair'ies. So one can one can use two AD1012'ies for stereo(ies)? I've got a line on two used AD1012's that the guy wants $100/per for. >-- >greenboy >** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) -- Brian baff@stc.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:27:37 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2230 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2231 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Weekend Sock-hop Makes Headlines Date: Wed, 22 Apr 98 22:27:00 Message-ID: <353E60C9.E841BEA0@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA08136for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:27:29 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA29752for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 23:08:59 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 9104f6f46c7983c795c71b8ba43af625 Brian Fields wrote: >Are the jackies on the backies of the AD1012'ies able to be utilized in >pair'ies. So one can one can use two AD1012'ies for stereo(ies)? Dunno(ie). -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From baff@stc.net Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:37:29 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2231 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2232 (database) From: Brian Fields To: greenboy Subject: Re: S16> Weekend Sock-hop Makes Headlines Date: Wed, 22 Apr 98 12:37:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA08675for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:49:16 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA02013for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 23:30:32 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: c044bcb4f0ddf5fcbdc54527174fbff5 Hi greenboy, >Brian Fields wrote: >>Are the jackies on the backies of the AD1012'ies able to be utilized in >>pair'ies. So one can one can use two AD1012'ies for stereo(ies)? >Dunno(ie). Okie Dokie. I think this was in a previous post but seeing as to how there isn't anything topical goin' on here I thought I'd ask. >-- >greenboy >** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) -- Brian baff@stc.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Wed, 22 Apr 1998 17:42:15 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2232 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2233 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Sock-hop At the ADDAMS Manse Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 00:42:00 Message-ID: <353E8057.8293CC07@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id XAA10738for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 23:43:02 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA05153for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 01:23:42 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: de02b76e24e9133ea3430775afb4818f >>>Are the jackies on the backies of the AD1012'ies able to be utilized in >>>pair'ies. So one can one can use two AD1012'ies for stereo(ies)? >>Dunno(ie). >Okie Dokie. I think this was in a previous post but seeing as to how there >isn't anything topical goin' on here I thought I'd ask. 'sallright! -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From kenny@bgnett.no 22 Apr 98 14:36:06 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2214 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2234 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Rene' Schaap Subject: RE: S16> This Mailinglist Date: Wed, 22 Apr 98 14:36:00 Message-ID: <334.416T322T8762043@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id AAA11467for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 00:24:31 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA06308for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 02:06:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: c726d3f27c4a3c5d1bc27ee393460266 Hi all! My email problem got solved today - sorry for the alert. We're one person from hundred here now which almost makes us a small community which shares the same interrests. I don't want that to disappear. I must also say thanks for warm words! Those helps on motivation. Ok, lets party on (or maybe not?.. ;D ) re, - Kenny ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Wed, 22 Apr 1998 18:44:43 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2234 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2235 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> This Mailinglist & SockHop Aftermath Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 01:44:00 Message-ID: <353E8EFB.E2E58D24@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id AAA11842for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 00:45:21 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA06839for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 02:26:02 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <334.416T322T8762043@bgnett.no> Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 20f0d7bb181dd820c8a5bb2e0d4e5765 Kenny Nilsen wrote: >My email problem got solved today - sorry for the alert. Good to hear! >We're one person from hundred here now which almost makes us a small >community which shares the same interrests. I don't want that to disappear. >I must also say thanks for warm words! Those helps on motivation. Actually, with my split personality(s), the count is well above what one would assume. > Ok, lets party on (or maybe not?.. ;D ) Too late! Brian got thrown in the Clink for violating community decency standards, and they're after me for ... punching the Spike [yike!] (in the Gord). -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From baff@stc.net Wed, 22 Apr 1998 19:25:05 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2234 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2236 (database) From: Brian Fields To: Kenny Nilsen Subject: RE: S16> This Mailinglist Date: Wed, 22 Apr 98 15:25:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id AAA12012for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 00:57:08 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA07243for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 02:38:31 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 31dfd39881f5e05a34ed732766a67650 Hi Kenny, >My email problem got solved today - sorry for the alert. >We're one person from hundred here now which almost makes us a small >community which shares the same interrests. I don't want that to disappear. >I must also say thanks for warm words! Those helps on motivation. >Ok, lets party on (or maybe not?.. ;D ) >re, >- Kenny Write on dudes!! We be jammin'! >** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) -- Brian baff@stc.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From onad@ao.net Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:11:32 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2237 (database) From: Dan Oberley To: studio16 Subject: IRC Date: Wed, 22 Apr 98 17:11:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id BAA12307for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 01:13:50 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA07648for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 02:55:13 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: f44fa59049e711bc045d1a6f11b1fe52 Is there an IRC chat room for Studio16 users? Dan, ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From gclink@dryden.net Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:13:33 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2235 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2238 (database) From: Gord Clink To: studio16 Subject: Re[2]: S16> This Mailinglist & SockHop Aftermath Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 03:13:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id CAA13126for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 02:10:00 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA08850for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 03:51:10 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 508092c30b90c9b55d00c3d2a4c64900 On 22-Apr-98, greenboy wrote: > Kenny Nilsen wrote: >> My email problem got solved today - sorry for the alert. > > Good to hear! > >> We're one person from hundred here now which almost makes us a small >> community which shares the same interrests. I don't want that to disappear. >> I must also say thanks for warm words! Those helps on motivation. > > Actually, with my split personality(s), the count is well above what one > would assume. > >> Ok, lets party on (or maybe not?.. ;D ) > > Too late! Brian got thrown in the Clink for violating community decency > standards, and they're after me for ... punching the Spike [yike!] > (in the Gord). > > -- greenboy You don't wanna mess with the Kernal.... do you? Gord (Kernal) Clink ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Wed, 22 Apr 1998 20:28:33 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2238 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2239 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio 16 GuestList Subject: S16> SockHop Repercussions Continue Unabated Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 03:28:00 Message-ID: <353EA751.1C6BBD6D@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id CAA13374for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 02:28:23 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA09292for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 04:09:54 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 59a1593a56f023bdc5b5fb5f689b745c Gord Clink wrote: >You don't wanna mess with the Kernal.... do you? > Gord (Kernal) Clink If the chew fits, 'ware it! And don't leave it out in the code... -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From tc_silvey@juno.com Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:29:08 -0400 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2234 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2240 (database) From: troy silvey To: studio16 Subject: S16> This Mailinglist Lives Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 02:29:00 Message-ID: <19980422.230002.9870.0.tc_silvey@juno.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id CAA13748for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 02:55:17 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA10012for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 04:36:42 +0200 References: <334.416T322T8762043@bgnett.no> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-17 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: e5aa4d63371661d2e6873ab58ee3c31a >My email problem got solved today - sorry for the alert. >We're one person from hundred here now which almost makes us a small >community which shares the same interrests. I don't want that to >disappear. >I must also say thanks for warm words! Those helps on motivation. > >Ok, lets party on (or maybe not?.. ;D ) No, It's definitly a party. Glad to hear we're not being evicted. With out this group, I might not be sticking to my goal of being an Ami programmer. I'm curious though. If there are a hundred programmers (or wanna be's) here and maybe another 1 or 2 hundred professional Ami programmers out there, that make us a pretty small group. What are some estimates of the number of real ami programmer able to do major projects? troy _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:34:33 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2240 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2241 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio 16 GuestList Subject: S16> Guesstimate And Go For It! Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 04:34:00 Message-ID: <353EB6C9.3CCEAFA5@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id DAA14542for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 03:34:39 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA10729for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 05:15:57 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <334.416T322T8762043@bgnett.no> <19980422.230002.9870.0.tc_silvey@juno.com> Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 8e4a8749fd9506e8907a9855463e2fab troy silvey wrote: >What are some estimates of the number of real ami programmer able to do >major projects? Gee, Troy this is the kind of question I like to answer with a clout on the head with a Zen handbook (Ko-ang!). There are enough to do whatever they think they can do! I admire programmers - they have the potential for mastery over a fascinating medium (- not the dollar, I'm not talking about just the dollar, folks.) The recent trend in Amigaland is for single guys to keep up with projects whose equivalents on other platforms require teams. This may seem admirable, but results in user frustration and programmer burnout, as the gap widens between expectations - based on comparison to competitor's products - and the reality of what one person can deliver. I am hoping developers and publishers in Amigaland will realize that their read on economic solutions is stifles the development of the type/quality of programs the Amiga needs to go forward. So I would say to any would-be (sounds nicer to me than wanna-be) programmer: Hang out at newsgroups, websites, and m-lists (and physical meetings if possible) where others of like inclinations are. Get a good idea for a real project that has salable potential. Start coding yourself if need be. But put together a specefication masterplan to attract others. Then get ready to blow all us buyers away; its happened before! So my answer is not 42 - it is more along the line of how many nanobots can dance on the head of a 25-micron lead-out pin. -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From baff@stc.net Wed, 22 Apr 1998 23:43:32 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2241 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2242 (database) From: Brian Fields To: greenboy Subject: Re: S16> Guesstimate And Go For It! Date: Wed, 22 Apr 98 19:43:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id EAA15830for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 04:56:00 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA13690for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 06:36:46 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: ae6defa398f9c4980fdaee954b4a11c9 Hi greenboy & troy, >troy silvey wrote: >>What are some estimates of the number of real ami programmer able to do >>major projects? >greenboy wrote: >So my answer is not 42 - it is more along the line of how many nanobots >can dance on the head of a 25-micron lead-out pin. Big ideas start as small hows. The hows come from the whats. And the big vison is a product of both. What is it one wants to do? How does he do it? What is the vision? Therefore; What is your what? >** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) -- Brian baff@stc.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From doncox@enterprise.net Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:50:36 +0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2241 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2243 (database) From: Don Cox To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Guesstimate And Go For It! Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 16:50:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id OAA03138for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:58:37 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA25759for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:38:48 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: cc884cc8c1e78caa50a3569556091323 Hello greenboy, Troy and anyone else who's still there It seems to me that the next stage here should be to draw up some specs for a music composition program to replace B&P and to work in future Amigas with PPC processors and (probably) PCI slots. At the very least we could prepare a doc saying what we want in an ideal program. Not only what is missing from B&P, MusicX etc but also what is missing from CubaseVST. Think hard about the best interface. Then we can think about what language it should be coded in (this may depend on what is being done about slim binaries or some other system to make software that works on either 68K or PPC). Then if it looks as though it is worth doing, a couple of clever persons may like to do some coding. The main motivation ought to be to produce the music program that you want - profits from the Amiga market are not to be relied on. What is wrong with B&P? 1. Doesn't work properly on graphics cards 2. Bad at handling samples (new software can handle 24-bit samples) 3. Needs support for continuously varying pitch - some kind of pitch bend editor (see Bob Moog's MIDI Theremins) 4. The multimedia features are weak What's good? 1. The liked list structure relates well both to the Amiga OS and to the flow-like process of recording, editing and playing music and sound effects 2. The plug-in tools and accessories facility - it would save a lot of coding if a new program was compatible with existing B&P tools 3. Generally good interface I would like to see a program which had very strong support of time code and links to animations. Perhaps a window on screen for displaying an animation when a music track for it was being worked on. The NLE video edit programs basically only edit samples, not MIDI. I doubt if I can help with coding, but I would gladly help with design of Icons, interface graphics etc. for a good project. What about the existing programs such as Camouflage? There ought to be a world-beating Amiga music program. Eh? -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From baff@stc.net Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:22:03 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2243 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2244 (database) From: Brian Fields To: Don Cox Subject: Re: S16> Guesstimate And Go For It! Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 07:22:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id QAA05644for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:34:16 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA27287for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:15:42 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: f86535ed2aa8560d19e3e6bf9e2e5077 Hi Don, >What is wrong with B&P? >1. Doesn't work properly on graphics cards A note on this.....You can load B&P on an 8 bit screen limited to 8 colors. I am running it on an1600x1200 screen with Studio16 and MovieShop. The kludge is that B&P has to be launched from a hi-res native mode. I don't know how or why it works. I only know it works, it's stable, and once you do it you don't have to do it again until the computer is reset. I've tried using the loadresource command to pre-load the BlueRibbon.library but that doesn't work. So what I did was wiite a very small (and clumsy I suspect) Arexx script that opens Studio16 on a hi-res screen (it loads faster than B&P and seems to access the file B&P needs), immediatly closes it, then opens B&P on an 8 bit screen. It's a kludge, it works for me, and I've got my huge B&P and Studio16 working environment. The WBstarter command comes with ToolManager and loads the tooltypes of the icon. Have fun. >** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) -- Brian baff@stc.net /************************************************** *** This AREXX Script will open Studio16 & B&P **************************************************/ /* Studio16 Start */ address command 'studio16:utilities/studio16rexx' address command 'WaitForPort Studio16.1' /***************************************************/ CHAN_INPUT = '1' CHAN_PLAY = '2' /* Constants */ CHAN_OUTPUT = '3' /***************************************************/ options results address 'Studio16.1' /***************************************************/ S16ToFront S16Exit /***************************************************/ address command "wait 1" address command "studioclose" /* Bars&Pipes Start */ address command 'wbstarter "sdh1:-Music/Bars&PipesPro/Bars&Pipes"' do ax=1 to 10 address "Bars&Pipes ARexx" exit ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From tc_silvey@juno.com Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:03:06 -0400 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2243 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2245 (database) From: troy silvey To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Guesstimate And Go For It! Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 18:03:00 Message-ID: <19980423.130308.15758.0.tc_silvey@juno.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA06387for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:04:00 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA27829for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:45:11 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-4,6-7,9,11,13,15,17,19,21-26,28-67 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: b81dfbf6fdb039e8a70fc972eab5f9bb >It seems to me that the next stage here should be to draw up some >specs for a music composition program to replace B&P and to work in >future Amigas with PPC processors and (probably) PCI slots. I'm there, sign me up and just send me a free PPC card :) This is why I dove into learning C in the first place. From where I stand as a programmer now, It seems an un-doable task for me. But I'm not gonna give up. Thanks to some of you in this list and 4 different books on C, I now have some of the hardest concepts under my belt. (structures, typedefs, pointers, funtions) Now I have to make C and the Ami OS a second langauge. Unbeleivably I have recieved 2 contacts this week asking if I would be interested in joining a couple of software developers just because of my ML / Basic backgounrd and I know what C looks like. One big problem is they are MS developers. My answer was "bite me", in a nicer way of course. I code Ami only, or I code nothing. >At the very least we could prepare a doc saying what we want in an I'll start it this evening. >Not only what is missing from B&P, MusicX also what's missing from CubaseVST. They are both missing B&P :) >Think hard about the best interface. I have a unique interface in mind already. Mial me if you want to talk about some possiblities. >to make software that works on either 68K or PPC). If it is done in clean C, won't it compile properly for PPC? >Then if it looks as though it is worth doing, a couple of clever >persons may like to do some coding. The main motivation ought to be to >produce the music program that you want - profits from the Amiga >market are not to be relied on. >I doubt if I can help with coding, but I would gladly help with design >of Icons, interface graphics etc. for a good project. Beggers can't be chosers when you looking for all the help you can get. If your a handy graphics artist, you'll have plenty to do in an interface I have in mind. >What about the existing programs such as Camouflage? I talked to those guys a couple of times before. Nice group, but they tell me they have a contract with the originator of the software and it's basiclly proprietary software they are keeping to themselfs, at least for now. The story could have changed since the last time I talked to them though. Unfortunatlly I doubt you'll find other coders as into this as I am. They all have their own projects they want to do and are probablly not interested as much In a music program. But If that program could double as an Mpeg/Video/MOD/Sample player among other things, then it could find a market and a wider interest among developers. troy _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:11:56 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2243 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2246 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio 16 GuestList Subject: Re: S16> Guesstimate And Go For It! Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 18:11:01 Message-ID: <353F765C.B0EFA402@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA06615for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:11:53 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA28019for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:53:26 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 20059a94982259c55c482bb88209ac3f Don Cox wrote: >At the very least we could prepare a doc saying what we want in an >ideal program. Not only what is missing from B&P, MusicX etc but also >what is missing from CubaseVST. There are remarkable programs on the Mac, and ONE on the PC that is well worth studying. Cakewalk Pro Audio 6 (soon to be 7) is very solid, been around since pre-Windozzze. Unlike Cubase or Logic, it has a controlled- ascent learning-curve. A well designed program on a great OS like Amiga's should be a no-brainer to operate straight out of the box for the basics, and should be easy to add on to one's capabilities. Cakewalk is also a good model because it believes in supporting standards. If you want to use it in conjunction with automated digital mixers, Roland VS-series NLEs, ADATs or Tascam DA-series, it has the goods. As well as supporting standard PC digital audio cards, it supports some specific features. CW supports realtime effects, again as a standard, so modules are freely available. Actually they look like they are on fire in all the good ways! Cakewalk can convert single-instrument digital audio tracks quickly into midi tracks with high accuracy. It can make tempo maps or groove templates from digital audio. It can automatically chop up a long DA track into shorter segments without all the silence (great for dialog placement!). The 7 upgrade promises better independence for looping midi and DA tracks. Godlike! And the price is half that of serious Macware. > Then we can think about what language it should be coded in (this may > depend on what is being done about slim binaries or some other system > to make software that works on either 68K or PPC). Good articles in Byte magazine lately about how lame C and C++ really are. The author advocates using Java and other high-level platform independent (well it was when Sun introduced it, before Microsloth subverted it!) languages for use on power machines, because of portability, ease of modification, and fast development cycle. But in a music program, where timing is paramount, I think this approach may not be the way. Incidentally, Cakewalk has a macro language that allows one to design tools like B&P, or automate tasks. CAL is approachable by non-coders, and existing scripts easily enough tweaked that a huge amount of stuff is available. Anyone who is interested in DA and sequencing, with decent scoring, web- specific features, and multimedia on the side should study this jewel. Major pros use it to score weekly hour-longs, which goes a long way in impressing me, because a program has to be quick and easy to do this well. >There ought to be a world-beating Amiga music program. ... Again. There ought to be a world-beating Amiga music program again. Byte Magazine - premier multiplatform coverage: http://www.byte.com/ Twelve Tone Systems - publishers of Cakewalk: http://www.cakewalk.com/ -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From gclink@dryden.net Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:56:00 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2247 (database) From: Gord Clink To: 'studio16@thule.no' Subject: Re: S16> Guesstimate And Go For It! Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 18:56:00 Message-ID: <01BD6EB7.2AC0F080@gclink.avenor.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA07974for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:57:23 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA28741for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 19:38:40 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: bastionhost.avenor.com: Host [10.100.240.153] claimed to be gclink.avenor.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id TAA28738 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 3536ddd5df2f38638910fa711b6a1b1f >Then if it looks as though it is worth doing, a couple of clever >persons may like to do some coding. The main motivation ought to be to >produce the music program that you want - profits from the Amiga >market are not to be relied on. >I doubt if I can help with coding, but I would gladly help with design >of Icons, interface graphics etc. for a good project. Beggers can't be chosers when you looking for all the help you can get. If your a handy graphics artist, you'll have plenty to do in an interface I have in mind. I'd be willing to do some beta testing, and possibly some interface design.... And I mean serious beta testing... not just an excuse to get free software. I too am 100% Amiga, and am trying to bring my C/C++ skill levels up to speed. I refuse to do any coding for anything but AmigaOS. Microsloth doesn't need anymore help anyway... they already have to many cooks, and the broth is beyond being spoiled! Gord Clink ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From gclink@dryden.net Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:00:05 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2248 (database) From: Gord Clink To: 'studio16@thule.no' Subject: RE: S16> Guesstimate And Go For It! Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 19:00:00 Message-ID: <01BD6EB7.BD0F29C0@gclink.avenor.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA08120for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:01:16 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA28855for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 19:42:41 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: bastionhost.avenor.com: Host [10.100.240.153] claimed to be gclink.avenor.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id TAA28849 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: a6262919154ede3e371ec7c57f73db51 Hi Don, >What is wrong with B&P? >1. Doesn't work properly on graphics cards >>A note on this.....You can load B&P on an 8 bit screen limited to 8 >>colors. I am running it on an1600x1200 screen with Studio16 and >>MovieShop. I use Bars&Pipes on a PicassoII board running Picasso96 software and have no problem with it at all.... This is the first I've heard of it not running properly. I also load Studio16 onto the same screen as well with no problems.... 16 colors, 8bit..... Gord ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From baff@stc.net Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:59:11 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2249 (database) From: Brian Fields To: studio16ML Subject: Re: S16>Guesstimate And Go For It! Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 08:59:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA08435for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:11:18 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA29152for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 19:52:51 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject Warning: This is a message in MIME format. Your mail reader does not X-UIDL: 462687f80af7d8dd32b4e3f9e2a430c7 ============================================================================== > And the clumsy rexx script that I partially wrote. Well I said it was clumsy............ dhomas did some cleanup so this is probabbly better but I haven't tried it yet. Thanks dhomas! /* Studio16 and Bars&Pipes Start */ address command 'studio16:utilities/studio16rexx' address command 'WaitForPort Studio16.1' address 'Studio16.1' S16ToFront S16Exit address command "wait 1" address command "studioclose" address command 'wbstart "sdh1:-Music/Bars&PipesPro/Bars&Pipes"' exit -- Brian baff@stc.net ============================================================================== /* Studio16 and Bars&Pipes Start */ address command 'studio16:utilities/studio16rexx' address command 'WaitForPort Studio16.1' address 'Studio16.1' S16ToFront S16Exit address command "wait 1" address command "studioclose" address command 'wbstart "sdh1:-Music/Bars&PipesPro/Bars&Pipes"' exit From baff@stc.net Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:12:47 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2250 (database) From: Brian Fields To: studio16ML Subject: Re: S16>Guesstimate And Go For It! Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 09:12:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA08778for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:24:26 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA29444for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 20:05:57 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject Warning: This is a message in MIME format. Your mail reader does not X-UIDL: f8f1c72afc4590ce0307513dbe064f47 ============================================================================== > And the clumsy rexx script that I partially wrote. Well I said it was clumsy............ dhomas did some cleanup so this is probabbly better but I haven't tried it yet. Just ran it. Works great and not only that, B&P makes my coffee now too! Wow what a coder! Thanks dhomas! /* Studio16 and Bars&Pipes Start */ address command 'studio16:utilities/studio16rexx' address command 'WaitForPort Studio16.1' address 'Studio16.1' S16ToFront S16Exit address command "wait 1" address command "studioclose" address command 'wbstart "sdh1:-Music/Bars&PipesPro/Bars&Pipes"' exit -- Brian baff@stc.net ============================================================================== /* Studio16 and Bars&Pipes Start */ address command 'studio16:utilities/studio16rexx' address command 'WaitForPort Studio16.1' address 'Studio16.1' S16ToFront S16Exit address command "wait 1" address command "studioclose" address command 'wbstart "sdh1:-Music/Bars&PipesPro/Bars&Pipes"' exit From baff@stc.net Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:19:19 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2248 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2251 (database) From: Brian Fields To: Gord Clink Subject: RE: S16> Guesstimate And Go For It! Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 09:19:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA08999for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:30:56 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA29615for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 20:12:29 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: a982c3e9dff375074436c996c1852639 Hi Gord, >Hi Don, >>What is wrong with B&P? >>1. Doesn't work properly on graphics cards >>Don >>>A note on this.....You can load B&P on an 8 bit screen limited to 8 >>>colors. I am running it on an1600x1200 screen with Studio16 and >>>MovieShop. >I use Bars&Pipes on a PicassoII board running Picasso96 software and have no >problem with it at all >Gord Maybe we stumbled upon a CyberGraphX bug, you think? This along with the Studio16 editor update thing. (in past posts) >** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) -- Brian baff@stc.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:40:14 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2248 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2252 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: S16> Modern Graphic Card Support Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 19:40:00 Message-ID: <353F8B0D.3A755EFA@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA09216for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:40:50 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA29864for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 20:21:38 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <01BD6EB7.BD0F29C0@gclink.avenor.com> Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 7150314f4ffccde8724210dc3639c110 Don Cox: >>What is wrong with B&P? >>1. Doesn't work properly on graphics cards Gord Clink: >I use Bars&Pipes on a PicassoII board running Picasso96 software and have >no problem with it at all.... This is the first I've heard of it not >running properly. I also load Studio16 onto the same screen as well with >no problems.... 16 colors, 8bit..... B&P ToolTypes and mode promotion allow B&P to run on a card in a primitive kludgey fashion. But like many programs of its time the developers didn't take the time to use systemwide support that had become available: ie, the screenmode requester. A modern music prog should be able to run 16, even 24-bits deep on a properly equipped system, and actually make good use of the additional color that is available. Font sensitivity with good font-smoothing is also necessary to support different screen resolutions effectively. I am hoping we will get modern PS/True-type support in the Amiga OS. -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From gclink@dryden.net Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:43:19 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2253 (database) From: Gord Clink To: 'studio16@thule.no' Subject: RE: S16> Guesstimate And Go For It! Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 19:43:00 Message-ID: <01BD6EBD.C704D960@gclink.avenor.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA09350for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:45:35 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA29988for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 20:27:08 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: bastionhost.avenor.com: Host [10.100.240.153] claimed to be gclink.avenor.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id UAA29978 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: ee92eb809d31057070737efa7ee090e5 Yes, you may be right... although I haven't had a chance to test my editor updating very extensively, although on the surface, it appears to be working properly. Gord ---------- From: Brian Fields[SMTP:baff@stc.net] Sent: Thursday, April 23, 1998 3:19 AM To: Gord Clink Subject: RE: S16> Guesstimate And Go For It! Hi Gord, >Hi Don, >>What is wrong with B&P? >>1. Doesn't work properly on graphics cards >>Don >>>A note on this.....You can load B&P on an 8 bit screen limited to 8 >>>colors. I am running it on an1600x1200 screen with Studio16 and >>>MovieShop. >I use Bars&Pipes on a PicassoII board running Picasso96 software and have no >problem with it at all >Gord Maybe we stumbled upon a CyberGraphX bug, you think? This along with the Studio16 editor update thing. (in past posts) >** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) -- Brian baff@stc.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From beachler@iastate.edu Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:19:55 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2253 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2254 (database) From: Rich Beachler To: studio16 Subject: RE: S16> Guesstimate And Go For It! Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 20:19:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id TAA10066for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 19:17:35 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA30816for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 20:58:06 +0200 X-Sender: beachler@pop-2.iastate.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: cbf755c5f9f8daf3d5a8b7e65370a392 Hello to all involved with this thread (and everyone else also!) >>>What is wrong with B&P? >>>1. Doesn't work properly on graphics cards Could someone please explain the dificulties they are having with this? What exactly doesn't work? Screen display, timing, anything? I use B&P on a Spectrum/CyberGraphix3/16color/800X600 screen and the only thing I've noticed is some menu display problems. I only use B&P sparingly (I use Studio16 extensively!) and have used them, with success, together on the B&P screen. More specific info would be very helpful in avoiding a potential problem that I haven't encountered yet. Thanks much! Rich Beachler beachler@iastate.edu ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:59:43 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2245 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2255 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: S16> Additional Programmer/Musician Resources Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 20:59:00 Message-ID: <353F9DAF.C25EFD61@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id TAA11054for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 19:59:35 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA31730for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:41:11 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <19980423.130308.15758.0.tc_silvey@juno.com> Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 1519a023d12d3ed82ba2f3e393630114 troy silvey wrote: >Beggers can't be chosers when you looking for all the help you can get. If >your a handy graphics artist, you'll have plenty to do in an interface I >have in mind. Resources on the web for the Amiga that really need to be exploited to the fullest include the Team AMIGA website (http://www.wans.net/~gpeake/) and m-list, all the programmer newsgroups, ICOA and other developer/publisher based organizations that can be tracked from the Amiga Web Directory. It probably wouldn't hurt to check out the B&P m-list as well. And perhaps the site with the greatest potential for newer non-established entrepreneurs who want to assemble ideas and people - No AMIGA To Waste: (http://thunderstorms.org/NATW/). An incredible idea for a site that I encourage all to check out and participate in! To really build a program that musicians will buy, like, and excel with I think it important to study the tools that are foremost in the occupation. Electronic Musician has a great archive of back-articles and reviews tied to a search engine. Here I can read an article on how five leading pros from different specialties use Cakewalk, FI. http://www.e-musician.com/Excite/AT-Article_Archivesquery.html gets it. Many of the publishers like dissidents (hi Jim!), Cakewalk, Opcode, Mark Of The Unicorn have great sites including good screenshots. [HEY DON? Don Cox. You still have that detailed email I sent you concerning interface and music prog design, a month or three ago? Could you post it back up?] >Unfortunatlly I doubt you'll find other coders as into this as I am. >They all have their own projects they want to do and are probablly not >interested as much In a music program. No doubt they are writing utilities we already have fifty of, or clones of gameclones that are based on games that resemble ... you guessed it - other games. But to start a program that takes true stones, it might take a real visionary, and someone who can pitch it. >But if that program could double as an Mpeg/Video/MOD/Sample player >among other things, then it could find a market and a wider interest >among developers. MODS! The scourge of serious Amiga musicians. Even serious game design is getting away from a mod or sample-playback approach. This is why MicroStealth bought BlueRibbon: to develop intelligent, creative, interactive approaches to score games and multimedia. Mods are tired not wired; there are already a kazillion modbuilders and players out there, and when I think of all the wasted programming talent out there THAT could have been applied to real music programs, why my blood pressure rises and I am forced to SHRED on my guitar with the amp turned to 12!!!!! (I don't like mods.) Come on guys, turn up the heat, shed some light! -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From dhomas@youngmonkey.ca Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:11:19 -0400 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2250 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2256 (database) From: dhomas trenn To: studio16 Subject: Re[2]: S16>Guesstimate And Go For It! Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 22:11:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id UAA11407for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 20:12:35 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA31950for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:53:56 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: young monkey studios MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 7dc28e7c513a8c594bfb6b4d27c7d089 Brian spoke and whirled like a Dervish divine: > Just ran it. Works great and not only that, B&P makes my coffee now too! > Wow what a coder! Is the coffee good? I'm not a coffee drinker so I didn't confirm the quality of that part of the script! :) I think the script still does more than it has to do, but I don't have an AD516 in my machine to test it out right now. Of course, I think ModePro was handling it fine anyway... but then I can't be sure of that either right now. I think it depends on what screen resolution you are using it with for B&P. I've got B&P set up as 1280x1024 via ModePro with DOUBLEWIDTH and DOUBLEHEIGHT set. This is with the Cybervision64, so nothing is virtual at all. I'm too busy figuring out all this new video and printing technology... get back to audio later in life... :) > /* Studio16 and Bars&Pipes Start */ > address command 'studio16:utilities/studio16rexx' > address command 'WaitForPort Studio16.1' > address 'Studio16.1' > S16ToFront > S16Exit > address command "wait 1" > address command "studioclose" > address command 'wbstart "sdh1:-Music/Bars&PipesPro/Bars&Pipes"' -- dhomas. ********************************************************************** * * * young monkey studios EMail: dhomas@youngmonkey.ca * * ---------------- WWW: http://www.youngmonkey.ca/ * * dhomas trenn * * Snail: 797 Mitchell Street * * Fredericton, NB * * Phone: (506) 459-7088 CANADA E3B 3S8 * * * ********************************************************************** ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From baff@stc.net Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:12:39 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2254 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2257 (database) From: Brian Fields To: Rich Beachler Subject: RE: S16> Guesstimate And Go For It! Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 11:12:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id UAA11647for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 20:24:32 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA32263for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 22:05:51 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 80bf2051a0e42bca4e0d029e8ef998b0 Hi Rich Beachler, >>>>What is wrong with B&P? >>>>1. Doesn't work properly on graphics cards >Could someone please explain the dificulties they are having with >this? What exactly doesn't work? Screen display, timing, anything? >I use B&P on a Spectrum/CyberGraphix3/16color/800X600 screen and the >only thing I've noticed is some menu display problems. I only use >B&P sparingly (I use Studio16 extensively!) and have used them, with >success, together on the B&P screen. More specific info would be very >helpful in avoiding a potential problem that I haven't encountered yet. >Thanks much! >Rich Beachler >beachler@iastate.edu Perhaps it's my system. It makes me wonder now that I find someone else using a Spectrum graphics card. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. But I find that an 8 color screen works better for me than 16 so that's how I run it. Studio16 only uses 8 colors anyway right? If you are not experiencing any problems with it now, then I doubt that you will in the future . . . . . . :) >** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) -- Brian baff@stc.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From baff@stc.net Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:25:07 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2255 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2258 (database) From: Brian Fields To: greenboy Subject: Re: S16> Additional Programmer/Musician Resources Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 11:25:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id UAA12017for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 20:36:38 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA32651for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 22:18:18 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 5efa54047da0998e5a142f989b9dd564 Hi greenboy, >troy silvey wrote: >>But if that program could double as an Mpeg/Video/MOD/Sample player >>among other things, then it could find a market and a wider interest >>among developers. >Mods are tired not wired; there are already a kazillion modbuilders and --snip-- >turned to 12!!!!! (I don't like mods.) >Come on guys, turn up the heat, shed some light! >-- greenboy Mods suck, I agree. And I'm not apologizing, but most Amigans couldn't afford to buy a decent sound card that costed as much as some computers. So we end up with a lot of creative folks who do the best with what they have. I wish mods would die also. It would spur people to find a better solution. . . . . (hot enough?). (we're still suffering Mehdi's hardware restrictions) P.S. Please try to put the arrows in the *center* of the target on my back. .. >** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) -- Brian baff@stc.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From beachler@iastate.edu Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:44:34 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2254 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2259 (database) From: Rich Beachler To: studio16 Subject: RE: S16> Guesstimate And Go For It! Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 21:44:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id UAA12144for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 20:41:07 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA00061for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 22:22:42 +0200 X-Sender: beachler@pop-2.iastate.edu References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 092ff176a4d04768c32c052fef3395b5 >Hi Rich Beachler, Hello, Brian, >Perhaps it's my system. It makes me wonder now that I find someone else >using a Spectrum graphics card. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. But I >find that an 8 color screen works better for me than 16 so that's how I >run it. Studio16 only uses 8 colors anyway right? > >If you are not experiencing any problems with it now, then I doubt that >you will in the future . . . . . . :) Thanks for the reassurance :) However, I'm still curious as to what the "non-working" symptoms are. Do buttons not respond, tools not function, windows not open, menus come up blank, display not scroll, midi not function properly, etc.? I have not had a project that required extensive B&P usage since I got my Spectrum. (However I did score a 90 minute and 20 minute film with B&P on my A500 a few years back. I had to buy an accellerator for the A500 to keep timing up to snuff.) I would really like to explore any problems that others are having so they don't sneak up and bite me in the middle of a project where I'll be relying on B&P. Thanks! Rich Beachler beachler@iastate.edu ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From baff@stc.net Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:53:44 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2259 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2260 (database) From: Brian Fields To: Rich Beachler Subject: RE: S16> Guesstimate And Go For It! Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 11:53:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA12729for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:06:08 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA00915for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 22:46:55 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 59fed531112e36fa3415a875e296e51f Hi Rich Beachler, >>If it ain't broke, don't fix it. But I >>find that an 8 color screen works better for me than 16 so that's how I >>run it. Studio16 only uses 8 colors anyway right? >>If you are not experiencing any problems with it now, then I doubt that >>you will in the future . . . . . . :) >Thanks for the reassurance :) >However, I'm still curious as to what the "non-working" symptoms are. >Do buttons not respond, tools not function, windows not open, menus >come up blank, display not scroll, midi not function properly, etc.? If the program comes up, it works. That's it. It's a screen promotion problem it doesn't affect the gadgets, menus, requestors or anything else. B&P runs on Amiga native screens no problem so you can always go back to that if you absolutely have to in order to finish a project. My best guess is that if you are not having a problem with it now, you won't in the future . . . . . . that's all I can say. >Thanks! >Rich Beachler >beachler@iastate.edu >** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) -- Brian baff@stc.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From net@dutch.nl Thu, 23 Apr 1998 22:02:22 +0900 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2261 (database) From: Rene' Schaap To: studio16 Subject: RE: S16>From: Rene' Schaap Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 14:02:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA13291for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:25:14 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA01370for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 23:06:34 +0200 X-ROUTED: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 23:25:56 0000 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Net X-Mailer: AEMAIL (Amiga eMail), Version 1.40 (October 10 1997), (c) 1997 by John F. Zacharias Organization: No Empty Tape Productions Organization: No EmptyTape Productions To: studio16@thule.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: cdfde2688510a8f101d7ad76cd867c51 On Thu, Apr 23, 1998, at 01:00 PM, Gord Clink wrote: > Hi Don, > > >What is wrong with B&P? > >1. Doesn't work properly on graphics cards > > >>A note on this.....You can load B&P on an 8 bit screen limited to 8 > >>colors. I am running it on an1600x1200 screen with Studio16 and > >>MovieShop. > > I use Bars&Pipes on a PicassoII board running Picasso96 software and have > no problem with it at all.... This is the first I've heard of it not > running properly. I also load Studio16 onto the same screen as well with > no problems.... 16 colors, 8bit..... How is B&P and Studio16 doing on a Cv3D or the earlier graphics board from phase-5 (i forgot it's name at the moment). Which screens can be used ??????? Thanks, Rene'(DSP) Schaap _ ( ) No Empty tape Productions. ------------------------------ Get your Masterplan ready for the interactive decade. Email : net@Dutch.nl Homepage: http://www.dutch.nl/net Voice : 0031 (0)35 52 42 72 0 FAX : 0031 (0)35 52 66 31 7 ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From net@dutch.nl Thu, 23 Apr 1998 22:02:25 +0900 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2262 (database) From: Rene' Schaap To: studio16 Subject: RE: S16> Modern Graphic Card Support Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 14:02:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA13296for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:25:15 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA01375for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 23:06:41 +0200 X-ROUTED: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 23:26:00 0000 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Net X-Mailer: AEMAIL (Amiga eMail), Version 1.40 (October 10 1997), (c) 1997 by John F. Zacharias Organization: No Empty Tape Productions Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 28490617c217b930e9c05c4bca5edcaa On Thu, Apr 23, 1998, at 12:40 AM, greenboy wrote: > B&P ToolTypes and mode promotion allow B&P to run on a card in a primitive > kludgey fashion. But like many programs of its time the developers didn't > take the time to use systemwide support that had become available: ie, > the screenmode requester. A modern music prog should be able to run 16, > even 24-bits deep on a properly equipped system, and actually make good > use of the additional color that is available. > > Font sensitivity with good font-smoothing is also necessary to support > different screen resolutions effectively. I am hoping we will get modern > PS/True-type support in the Amiga OS. > We have enough colors in B&P i think,i do not need more colors i mean. I make music with b&P, not drawings. But run B&P in other screen modes is a must, maybe someone knows how it can be done ????, modepro util for B&P maybe. PS/True-type support ????, Nyaaaaaa, try other fonts it's not a must. A Midi/Music program must do it's job well, and thats Midi and Music, maybe some Audio. It all come together with a great functionallity and a fine layout. I liked Music-X very much because it worked nice and feels nice. I like protools in the same way and Studio16. All the mentioned Amiga programmes have little support. We can have new great programs by buying Camouflage, Prostation, MSE etc. etc. Support the programmers of Amiga Midi and Audio software by buying their software. Take a look at my side for the 303 tracker software with harware add on. So use your old programmes and look at the new supported ones, they are our Amiga Future i think. SeeYaa, Rene'(DSP) Schaap _ ( ) No Empty tape Productions. ------------------------------ Get your Masterplan ready for the interactive decade. Email : net@Dutch.nl Homepage: http://www.dutch.nl/net Voice : 0031 (0)35 52 42 72 0 FAX : 0031 (0)35 52 66 31 7 ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From net@dutch.nl Thu, 23 Apr 1998 22:02:22 +0900 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2263 (database) From: Rene' Schaap To: studio16 Subject: RE: S16>From: Rene' Schaap Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 14:02:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA13301for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:25:16 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA01374for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 23:06:41 +0200 X-ROUTED: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 23:25:58 0000 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Net X-Mailer: AEMAIL (Amiga eMail), Version 1.40 (October 10 1997), (c) 1997 by John F. Zacharias Organization: No Empty Tape Productions Organization: No EmptyTape Productions To: studio16@thule.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 918ff6bffa2fe5f3276468cd0fb3f514 On Thu, Apr 23, 1998, at 01:00 PM, Gord Clink wrote: > Hi Don, > > >What is wrong with B&P? > >1. Doesn't work properly on graphics cards > > >>A note on this.....You can load B&P on an 8 bit screen limited to 8 > >>colors. I am running it on an1600x1200 screen with Studio16 and > >>MovieShop. > > I use Bars&Pipes on a PicassoII board running Picasso96 software and have > no problem with it at all.... This is the first I've heard of it not > running properly. I also load Studio16 onto the same screen as well with > no problems.... 16 colors, 8bit..... How is B&P and Studio16 doing on a Cv3D or the earlier graphics board from phase-5 (i forgot it's name at the moment). Which screens can be used ??????? Thanks, Rene'(DSP) Schaap _ ( ) No Empty tape Productions. ------------------------------ Get your Masterplan ready for the interactive decade. Email : net@Dutch.nl Homepage: http://www.dutch.nl/net Voice : 0031 (0)35 52 42 72 0 FAX : 0031 (0)35 52 66 31 7 ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From beachler@iastate.edu Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:46:47 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2259 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2264 (database) From: Rich Beachler To: studio16 Subject: RE: S16> Guesstimate And Go For It! Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 22:46:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA13745for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:44:00 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA01802for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 23:24:56 +0200 X-Sender: beachler@pop-2.iastate.edu References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: f475236253b084132bce275bf8ff7995 >If the program comes up, it works. That's it. It's a screen promotion >problem it doesn't affect the gadgets, menus, requestors or anything else. >B&P runs on Amiga native screens no problem so you can always go back to >that if you absolutely have to in order to finish a project. > >My best guess is that if you are not having a problem with it now, you >won't in the future . . . . . . that's all I can say. Aha! A simple symptom. It starts or it doesn't start. Just so you know, I'm using CyberGraphix v3 (though v2 also seemed to work) and NewMode from Aminet to promote the screen. I also use a Tool Manager "dock" button to start the program. I hope you get this worked out. Thanks for the info! Rich Beachler beachler@iastate.edu ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From baff@stc.net Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:33:36 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2260 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2265 (database) From: Brian Fields To: Brian Fields Subject: RE: S16> Guesstimate And Go For It! Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 12:33:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA13857for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:45:16 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA01859for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 23:26:51 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: e0e47f323b446ea859971f4e4ade7bdb Hi Rich, >>However, I'm still curious as to what the "non-working" symptoms are. >>Do buttons not respond, tools not function, windows not open, menus >>come up blank, display not scroll, midi not function properly, etc.? >>I only use >>B&P sparingly (I use Studio16 extensively!) and have used them, with >>success, together on the B&P screen. More specific info would be very >>helpful in avoiding a potential problem that I haven't encountered yet. >>Rich Beachler >>beachler@iastate.edu >If the program comes up, it works. That's it. It's a screen promotion >problem it doesn't affect the gadgets, menus, requestors or anything else. >B&P runs on Amiga native screens no problem so you can always go back to >that if you absolutely have to in order to finish a project. >My best guess is that if you are not having a problem with it now, you >won't in the future . . . . . . that's all I can say. Perhaps it's my system. It makes me wonder now that I find someone else using a Spectrum graphics card. ADDENDUM: perhaps you would be kind enough to show us your CyberGraphX env: settings so I and others can see what works. here's mine, let's compare. Maybe you can fix the problem for all of us; dh0:Prefs/env-archive/CyberGraphX/ Spectrum 01-24-98 8:41:47p ----rwed ALERTEMU 1 01-22-98 6:54:16a ----rwed BOOTLOGO 1 01-22-98 8:50:20a ----rwed CPUP2C 1 01-22-98 6:54:16a ----rwed HIDE15BIT 1 01-22-98 6:54:16a ----rwed HIRESCRSR 1 01-22-98 6:54:17a ----rwed KEEPAMIGAVIDEO 1 01-22-98 6:54:17a ----rwed NOCHIPSCREEN 1 05-19-97 4:17:10p ----rwed NOPASSTHROUGH 1 01-22-98 6:54:17a ----rwed PLANES2FAST 1 01-22-98 6:54:17a ----rwed SAVEMEM 1 01-22-98 6:54:17a ----rwed SpectrumMonitor 5 01-24-98 11:42:50p ----rwed SpectrumMonitor.backup 13 05-29-97 10:44:27p ----rwed SUPERLAYERS 1 01-22-98 6:54:17a ----rwed -- Thanks! Brian baff@stc.net >** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From nmiller@ntplx.net Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:58:20 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2264 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2266 (database) From: Norm Miller To: Rich Beachler Subject: RE: S16> Guesstimate And Go For It! Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 23:58:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA14172for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:59:07 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA02194for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 23:40:35 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: ca7a4225cdfc3e41c8d93f914fd03363 If you look at the icon information for Studio 3.01 there is a PICKMODE option. If you enable that in the icon, every time you start Studio you can tell it what screen mode to use. I am running it on a Cybergraphics v2 CV64 (the original) 1024 x 750 screen with no problems. Norm On 23-Apr-98, Rich Beachler wrote: >>If the program comes up, it works. That's it. It's a screen promotion >>problem it doesn't affect the gadgets, menus, requestors or anything else. >>B&P runs on Amiga native screens no problem so you can always go back to >>that if you absolutely have to in order to finish a project. >> >>My best guess is that if you are not having a problem with it now, you >>won't in the future . . . . . . that's all I can say. >Aha! A simple symptom. It starts or it doesn't start. Just so you know, >I'm using CyberGraphix v3 (though v2 also seemed to work) and NewMode >from Aminet to promote the screen. I also use a Tool Manager "dock" >button to start the program. I hope you get this worked out. >Thanks for the info! >Rich Beachler >beachler@iastate.edu >** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) -- Amiga 4000/060 Power!! Only AMIGA makes it possible. Surfing from Connecticut USA Home Page: http://www.ntplx.net/~nmiller/ ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From nmiller@ntplx.net Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:01:59 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2264 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2267 (database) From: Norm Miller To: Rich Beachler Subject: RE: S16> Guesstimate And Go For It! Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 00:01:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id WAA14270for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 22:02:27 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA02280for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 23:44:10 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 424509eccb3fc7767e7c9a07155823b0 Excuse my last answer, you were talking about B&P not Studio :( There is an option in B&P under preferences to run the program in Workbench screen mode. On my machine this just creates another public screen using whatever screen mode that workbench uses. I have a 1024 x 750 16bit workbench and B&P will open on that same type of screen. This is with Cybergraphics V2 on a Cybervision64 board. No problems here. Norm On 23-Apr-98, Rich Beachler wrote: >>If the program comes up, it works. That's it. It's a screen promotion >>problem it doesn't affect the gadgets, menus, requestors or anything else. >>B&P runs on Amiga native screens no problem so you can always go back to >>that if you absolutely have to in order to finish a project. >> >>My best guess is that if you are not having a problem with it now, you >>won't in the future . . . . . . that's all I can say. >Aha! A simple symptom. It starts or it doesn't start. Just so you know, >I'm using CyberGraphix v3 (though v2 also seemed to work) and NewMode >from Aminet to promote the screen. I also use a Tool Manager "dock" >button to start the program. I hope you get this worked out. >Thanks for the info! >Rich Beachler >beachler@iastate.edu >** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) -- Amiga 4000/060 Power!! Only AMIGA makes it possible. Surfing from Connecticut USA Home Page: http://www.ntplx.net/~nmiller/ ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:20:51 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2265 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2268 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> CGX Envvars Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 23:20:01 Message-ID: <353FBEC3.A3648149@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id WAA14670for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 22:20:43 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA02794for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 00:02:17 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: f02ce8baa59484fab1776181e97f0293 I seems there is still confusion about B&P on graphics cards. I'll say it another way: 1) It works, if it works on your card. 2) It works because of mode-promotion, not because they added proper support. 3) See any program that uses the screenmode requester properly (PageStream, DOpus, etc). A world of difference. More choices, more abilites, less overhead. 4) But it works. Don't get more confused. Brian Fields: >perhaps you would be kind enough to show us your CyberGraphX env: settings >so I and others can see what works. >here's mine, let's compare. Maybe you can fix the problem for all of us; > > dh0:Prefs/env-archive/CyberGraphX/ > Spectrum 01-24-98 8:41:47p ----rwed > ALERTEMU 1 01-22-98 6:54:16a ----rwed > BOOTLOGO 1 01-22-98 8:50:20a ----rwed > CPUP2C 1 01-22-98 6:54:16a ----rwed > HIDE15BIT 1 01-22-98 6:54:16a ----rwed > HIRESCRSR 1 01-22-98 6:54:17a ----rwed > KEEPAMIGAVIDEO 1 01-22-98 6:54:17a ----rwed > NOCHIPSCREEN 1 05-19-97 4:17:10p ----rwed > NOPASSTHROUGH 1 01-22-98 6:54:17a ----rwed > PLANES2FAST 1 01-22-98 6:54:17a ----rwed > SAVEMEM 1 01-22-98 6:54:17a ----rwed > SpectrumMonitor 5 01-24-98 11:42:50p ----rwed > SpectrumMonitor.backup 13 05-29-97 10:44:27p ----rwed > SUPERLAYERS 1 01-22-98 6:54:17a ----rwed Thats great, Brian. Now we know what SIZE your envars are, and that you have them in the correct place. ;))) Too bad we don't know what the values are. Target optional, buddy. -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:52:52 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2262 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2269 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Modern Graphic Card Support Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 23:52:01 Message-ID: <353FC644.7F907AC6@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id WAA15386for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 22:52:43 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA03469for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 00:34:18 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 65e2483a28a123080987a56275cc40d8 greenboy (that's me!) wrote: >>A modern music prog should be able to run 16, even 24-bits deep on a >>properly equipped system, and actually make good use of the additional >>color that is available. Rene' Schaap wrote: >We have enough colors in B&P i think, i do not need more colors i mean. >I make music with b&P, not drawings. I said *modern* programs, not B&P, which I loved. We are discussing the design of new world-class programs. Running in hi- or true-color allows one to deal with scoring for film, video, or anim (running Quicktime or MPEG window on same screen, anyone?). It allows one to have more colors to define different windows, parameters, modes, and states - so if you are running a complex environment on a 1280x1024 or 1600x1200 screen you can easily differentiate the mass data you are confronting yourself with. If good graphic principles are employed at the time of program design, eye fatigue can be lessened, data recognition is enhanced, and it looks cool. >>Font sensitivity with good font-smoothing is also necessary to support >>different screen resolutions effectively. I am hoping we will get modern >>PS/True-type support in the Amiga OS. > PS/True-type support ????, Nyaaaaaa, try other fonts it's not a must. If you want a program that allows multiple resolution screen use (from 640x480 to 1600x1200) it is much easier to have fonts that are easily sized and antialiased than it is to have many bitmaps of many sizes. Unsmoothed screen fonts do not look as good, cause eye fatigue, and will not represent at small sizes. Being able to swap the entire family of fonts just by selecting small, med, large, etc is standard on other platforms for screen resizing applications. And we need it on the Amiga. For modern programs. > All the mentioned Amiga programmes have little support. Most serious musicians went to other platforms at least partially because Amiga midi programs are not progressive. MusicX was way cool in its time as was B&P. But MusicX never got more than 16 midi-channels in a time when multitimbral modules demanded interfaces like TriplePlay+ or bigger. Microstealth stole our flagship, B&P to gain a leading programmer or two and the associated intellectual property. I agree we need to support Amiga programs, but we need to demand competitive Amiga programs in order for it to be worth anyone's while. Take care Rene'. -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From baff@stc.net Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:55:49 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2268 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2270 (database) From: Brian Fields To: greenboy Subject: Re: S16> CGX Envvars Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 13:55:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id XAA15743for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 23:09:30 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA03924for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 00:51:00 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: bb38fa86bf8f417856289810d733490a Hi greenboy, >Too bad we don't know what the values are. Whoops here they are................ BF>>perhaps you would be kind enough to show us your CyberGraphX BF>>env:settings BF>>so I and others can see what works. BF>>here's mine, let's compare. Maybe you can fix the problem for >> dh0:Prefs/env-archive/CyberGraphX/ >> Spectrum (dir) >> ALERTEMU 1 >> BOOTLOGO 0 >> CPUP2C 1 >> HIDE15BIT 1 >> HIRESCRSR 1 >> KEEPAMIGAVIDEO 1 >> NOCHIPSCREEN 0 >> NOPASSTHROUGH 0 >> PLANES2FAST 0 >> SAVEMEM 0 >> SUPERLAYERS 0 >> SpectrumMonitor >> SpectrumMonitor.backup >Target optional, buddy. I hear ya mr. green. LOL RB>I only use RB>B&P sparingly (I use Studio16 extensively!) and have used them, with RB>success, together on the B&P screen. More specific info would be very RB>helpful in avoiding a potential problem that I haven't encountered yet. BF>My best guess is that if you are not having a problem with it now, you BF>won't in the future . . . . . . that's all I can say. RB>Aha! A simple symptom. It starts or it doesn't start. Just so you know, RB>I'm using CyberGraphix v3 (though v2 also seemed to work) and NewMode RB>from Aminet to promote the screen. I also use a Tool Manager "dock" RB>button to start the program. I hope you get this worked out. RB>Thanks for the info! >Rich Beachler >beachler@iastate.edu >If the program comes up, it works. That's it. It's a screen promotion >problem it doesn't affect the gadgets, menus, requestors or anything else. Aha! A simple symptom. It starts or it doesn't start. Just so you know, I'm using CyberGraphix v3 (though v2 also seemed to work) and NewMode from Aminet to promote the screen. I also use a Tool Manager "dock" button to start the program. I hope you get this worked out. Thanks for the info! Rich Beachler beachler@iastate.edu Yeah Rich . . . . . . I hope you get your problem that you don't have yet and will only use once in a while solved too. . . . . . Thanks for your input. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . That brings to mind the tornado that we just had here in Georgia that missed our neighborhood by a mere 6 miles. We didn't have one here but I am worried that someday one may hit here. Does anyone else out there know how to prevent this when it happens? (not that it ever will of course) >** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) -- Brian baff@stc.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:21:51 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2258 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2271 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Mods - cool, DA/sequencing - HOT! Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 00:21:01 Message-ID: <353FCD0F.1F9FFDE3@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id XAA16041for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 23:21:39 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA04212for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 01:03:16 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 91c76f97ec9d38a4cf2c4a6900cb0bb6 Brian Fields & greenboy, going toe to toe (all the time actually): >>Mods are tired not wired; there already a kazillion modbuilders--snip-- >Mods suck, I agree. And I'm not apologizing, but most Amigans couldn't >afford to buy a decent sound card that costed as much as some computers. >So we end up with a lot of creative folks who do the best with what they >have. I wish mods would die also. It would spur people to find a better >solution I've heard incredible mods. There is some great skill in surpassing the seeming limitations that are imposed. But mods (on the Amiga) have sidetracked programmers, made the hobbyist and game sector stronger while very little energy has gone into making the kind of toys I can sink MY teeth into. Selfish enough for ya? >>Come on guys, turn up the heat, shed some light! >. . . . . (hot enough?). Actually, I was refering to the main topic; of modern DA/sequencer design when I exhorted the list to turn up the heat, shed some light. >P.S. Please try to put the arrows in the *center* of the target on my back. Nah, need a worthy adversary at a later date. Take Care, Brian (as in, watch your scarred and punctured back). -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From baff@stc.net Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:46:50 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2267 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2272 (database) From: Brian Fields To: Norm Miller Subject: RE: S16> Guesstimate And Go For It! Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 14:46:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id XAA16861for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 23:58:51 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA05114for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 01:40:09 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 875dda55123fef8fe3ac9223d5de4649 Hi Norm Miller, >There is an option in B&P under preferences to run the program in Workbench >screen mode. On my machine this just creates another public screen using >whatever screen mode that workbench uses. I have a 1024 x 750 16bit workbench >and B&P will open on that same type of screen. >Norm Ah-h. This *is* helpful. Thanks for this Norm I'll try it. As I'm sure others will. (not that I'm having a problem now or anything (heh-heh) ) But seriously guys I'm givin' all that I got . . . . and that's all I got. :-) >** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) -- Brian baff@stc.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From baff@stc.net Thu, 23 Apr 1998 19:17:21 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2271 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2273 (database) From: Brian Fields To: greenboy Subject: Re: S16> Mods - cool, DA/sequencing - HOT! Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 15:17:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id AAA17417for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 00:29:14 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA05446for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 02:10:48 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 00076ed1ea261771deb9b901f898bdc4 Hi greenboy, >Brian Fields & greenboy, going toe to toe (all the time actually): >>>Mods are tired not wired; there already a kazillion modbuilders--snip-- >>Mods suck, I agree. And I'm not apologizing, but most Amigans couldn't >>afford to buy a decent sound card that costed as much as some computers. >I've heard incredible mods. There is some great skill in surpassing the >seeming limitations that are imposed. But mods (on the Amiga) have >sidetracked programmers, made the hobbyist and game sector stronger while >very little energy has gone into making the kind of toys I can sink MY >teeth into. Selfish enough for ya? I agree %100 greenboy. It has to do with the vision thing we keep bringing up here. But that's why I say they suck. They literally suck energy away from better vehicles. I will never deny the creativity involved in putting together some great compositions. (biff!..boff!..baff!..kazowie!) >Actually, I was refering to the main topic; of modern DA/sequencer design >when I exhorted the list to turn up the heat, shed some light. Well, maybe we can light a fire that will burn this thread . . . . . >>P.S. Please try to put the arrows in the *center* of the target on my back. >Nah, need a worthy adversary at a later date. Take Care, Brian (as in, >watch your scarred and punctured back). It's all Don's fault. He started it. :) (pluck-pluck) But to the subject; I don't much care about jazzy eye-candy GUI's as long as they are fairly configurable. Studio16 isn't overly jazzed but it's great for what it does. The cuelist editor was only an infant when Sunrize fell it seems. The reason I paid full retail for B&P was because of the baloney they spouted about a competent notation printer. What a joke . . I can do it better and easier in DPaint. But the SMPTE timing, and a number of other accessories were ahead of their time (albeit a short time)for the money The tool concept was a good one, it's just that they relied upon it too heavily. As the power of the ordinary user has increased, and as the Amiga will be going the way of parallel PPC processing, I think it would be a good idea to build the next premier music program as blocks that can be integrated into a "core" sequencer so as to be functional or not. It seems that it would also be easier to get public input for add ons. We see it in B&P as the tools offered by many helpful folks who contributed them. The core should have the capability to do the serial functions as well as the driver functions for AHI and all the possible sample formats. There's more. I'll be back later. . . . . >** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) -- Brian baff@stc.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From nmiller@ntplx.net Thu, 23 Apr 1998 20:54:44 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2273 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2274 (database) From: Norm Miller To: studio16 Subject: Meter question Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 02:54:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id AAA17812for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 00:55:18 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA05652for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 02:36:52 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 75f348d765ab02cc8c3649bc9e85f0f4 I haven't used Studio in a while but noticed today that the Play1 both mixer and meter are showing red when I start Studio. It appears that something is playing over Play1 but this is prior to me loading a sample or playing anything. The meter and mixer are both reading in the red on that channel. I don't know if messing with preferences and the SMPTE settings could have caused this?? Any ideas?? Thanks, Norm -- Amiga 4000/060 Power!! Only AMIGA makes it possible. Surfing from Connecticut USA Home Page: http://www.ntplx.net/~nmiller/ ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From baff@stc.net Thu, 23 Apr 1998 20:10:20 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2274 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2276 (database) From: Brian Fields To: Norm Miller Subject: Re: Meter question Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 16:10:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id BAA18390for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 01:22:06 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA06018for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 03:03:31 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: f483769437de3de8f486fed6325c774c Hi Norm, >I haven't used Studio in a while but noticed today that the Play1 both mixer >and meter are showing red when I start Studio. It appears that something is >playing over Play1 but this is prior to me loading a sample or playing >anything. The meter and mixer are both reading in the red on that channel. I >don't know if messing with preferences and the SMPTE settings could have >caused this?? >Any ideas?? >Thanks, >Norm Noise on the board input lines maybe? -- Brian baff@stc.net >** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From fdiebel@bartok.emrl.com Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:20:50 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2276 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2277 (database) From: Floyd Diebel To: Brian Fields Subject: Re: Meter question Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 02:20:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id BAA18590for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 01:33:48 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA06189for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 03:15:28 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Experimental Media Research Laboratory MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 0b8ff0c27f12d865559e9fb797323edc On 23-Apr-98, Brian Fields wrote: >Hi Norm, >>I haven't used Studio in a while but noticed today that the Play1 both mixer >>and meter are showing red when I start Studio. It appears that something is >>playing over Play1 but this is prior to me loading a sample or playing >>anything. The meter and mixer are both reading in the red on that channel. >I >>don't know if messing with preferences and the SMPTE settings could have >>caused this?? >>Any ideas?? >>Thanks, >>Norm >Noise on the board input lines maybe? maybe. my machine used to this everyonce in a while - i would have to reboot and try again. the problem went away when i installed the newer v3.01a ad516 handler. -f -- fdiebel@bartok.emrl.com a/v composition and engineering. ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From syncom@mail.datanet.hu Fri, 24 Apr 1998 03:36:21 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2278 (database) From: Zsolt Kovacs To: S16 mailing list Subject: B&P infatuation Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 03:36:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id BAA18671for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 01:37:34 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA06254for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 03:19:18 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Syncom MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: f2118adf7dda26d2dc7a656b58ab942e Hi folks, reading all this stuff about an imaginary wonder music program for the Amiga and the constant references to Bars&Pipes I couldn't help not making the point that I personally HATE B&P. Back in the early ages I started using KCS from the late Dr T.'s, and while it never proved so 'clumsily handy' as an old C-Lab midi program for the C64 whose name I don't recall any longer, I just managed to get on fine with it. I made music for countless TV commercials and the soundtrack for a few longer TV programs by KCS and we got on very well together. When a friend of mine borrowed me his B&P, I spent hard hours trying to get accustomed to a screen that looks like the kids' playground in the kindergarten with all the stupid little icons and everything but in the end I failed. Okay, I heard from many people that it's versatile and everything, but even in extreme conditions there was nothing I couldn't do with the KCS I needed to do. The point I'd like to make is, power behind simplicity is the key phrase to all successful software. That's why MicroSloth sucks (or rather, makes a lot of money by providing you with software for the Ferrari engined tricycle called a PC that people need to attend courses to learn using: the biggest hoax of the 20th century). Yes, I can hear Greenboy saying that I'm an anti-technical minded jerk or something, but still, there's a fine line between being in control of a program and accomplishing everything with a few clicks of the mouse and being overwhelmed by the array of so-called 'functions' that you use once in a year after consulting the manual. 'Convert single-instrument DA tracks into midi tracks with high accuracy'. Wonderful. I've been working in the pro audio-for-video field for more than ten years now, but there wasn't a single occasion when I needed to do that. In case I should do that, I listen to the track and then play it on my midi keyboard right away because that's what I've been trained to do in the Music College and that's what my ears and hands are for if I consider myself a musician. Looks like the role of many computer programs is to hide our lack of talent and education. I know people who are boasting of their newest DTP programs, but never in their entire life would they ever publish a single page of newspaper or leaflet or anything that has printed letters on it (they would have a hard time getting the spelling right, anyway... oops, the spelling checker will do that for them.) The new chick is to have soundcards with 24 bit processing. Fabulous. The problem is, 98% of people can not hear any difference between a 32 kHz and a 48 kHz sample of any piece of audio. (We've made experiments on that!!!) The problem is, most people don't even bother to buy a Hi-Fi VHS to view any program with stereo sound. After seeing your first few films in Dolby Stereo or DTS or THX or anything, and enjoying the cascade of sounds from different directions, you won't have any special experience. The first time I saw 'TITANIC' in the sleaziest and smallest confinement of space one may beneficially call a cinema somewhere in the smallest village of the country with mono sound, I was thrilled and for months it was on my mind. The second time I went to see it with DTS sound and all in one of the most elegant cinemas of the capital, it didn't give any more than what I remembered and I felt bored. 24 bits, oh, yeah. I'm afraid Batman 26 is even more annoying in Dolby Surround than through your pocket radio. Don't get me wrong. I'm not against technology, on the contrary. I'm against the senseless inflation of technology, when the Ferrari engine becomes a space shuttle jet thruster on your tricycle, but instead of going to the moon (which you obviously couldn't do in the lack of an airtight suit) you use it for travelling London-Paris in 0.37 seconds instead of 0.38, for ten times the price. ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From baff@stc.net Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:20:58 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2278 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2279 (database) From: Brian Fields To: Zsolt Kovacs Subject: Re: B&P infatuation Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 17:20:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id CAA19667for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 02:34:09 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA07225for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 04:15:11 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 88a6afb2c2bb3c57d4b08ec3119f6ed4 Greetings Zsolt Kovacs ; >reading all this stuff about an imaginary wonder music program for the >Amiga and the constant references to Bars&Pipes I couldn't help not >making the point that I personally HATE B&P. Back in the early ages >I started using KCS from the late Dr T.'s, and while it never proved Which proves the point that knowing one program well is better many times than knowing a little about a lot of programs. I know others who prefer KCS and I agree with the simplicity theory you are talking about. >to a screen that looks like the kids' playground in the kindergarten with >all the stupid little icons and everything Well said. And I am a B&P user. Although I prefer B&P, I think it could have been a bit less on GUI and a little more tuned to the needs of making music. I had a conversation with the SoundLab people when they were premiering one of the new MIDI foot controllers for Boogie (1988) when I was in music school. The stupid thing read out in hex and they wanted $1500 for it. I had recently designed a similar foot controlled program/MIDI sender and asked them how they could justify selling a box that could be built for $25 worth of parts for that price and they looked at me like I was crazy. I asked them why anyone would want to learn hex just to know their location? Especially when it was so easy to understand 8 banks of 8 patches, or 16 of 8 etc. To make a long story short engineers for the most part aren't full time musicians. We are only in the last few years getting to the point in technology where power and simplicity can be more easily married and where forums like this exist in which ideas can merge. >The point I'd like to make is, power behind simplicity is the >key phrase to all successful software. Hear hear. >that's what I've been trained to do in the Music College and that's what >my ears and hands are for if I consider myself a musician. Looks like the >role of many computer programs is to hide our lack of talent and education. At a certain point I had to decide whether I was a technician/engineer or a musician. I chose the latter. This is why I was so frustrated in terms of not being able to edit in realistic notation (but I do like the hybrid staff in B&P and I'd like it better if it worked well %100 of the time). IMHO It seems that most music programs are made for folks who aren't musicians. And it seems that that is where the program should start. Of course it's all about time and MIDI and SMPTE and multi-media and all the different formats of 8/16/24 bit sound. That's why the timeline is the centerpiece of music software. Thanks Zsolt. -- Ta fer now, Brian baff@stc.net >** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Thu, 23 Apr 1998 20:38:09 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2273 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2280 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> DA/sequencing - HOT! Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 03:38:00 Message-ID: <353FFB11.29D1B5C3@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id CAA19725for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 02:38:05 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA07420for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 04:19:38 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 8dd9625a92ad2a339c004b79c9c483b6 Brian Fields wrote: >But to the subject; I don't much care about jazzy eye-candy GUI's as long >as they are fairly configurable. That is what I USED to say. But when its not just for the sake of being rococo or flash, color can serve as a way of differentiating what is going on, where one is, what is activated, etc. Normally I go for minimalist: my browsers, I run with the keyboard, none of those anims and flashy buttons for me. But then; there aren't that many commands to know in a browser. In a program that can open 30 or 40 different modules/windows/views it is nice to have quick recognition of all controls, when sqwushing an incredible amount of data onto a 1280x1024. That is the other reason I don't like to have anything but the url window in a browser. It makes more room for the data I have come to browse. Big pics, major text - less scrolling. Multiple windows at several sites make for easier cut-n-paste, corroboration, whatever. That was a great thing about B&P too. For its time it used color to identify things (well you sure couldn't actually see what some of those little icons were, on a .40 dot-pitch screen with Enterprise'66 transporter-beam flicker!). And you could open or close as many windows as you wanted, at the size you needed, and save that configuration. >The reason I paid full retail for B&P was because of the baloney they >spouted about a competent notation printer. It was either that, DMCS (a consumer entertainment program that didn't do half bad), or Dr T's The Copyist which was like arm-wrestling a tiger while he was under the impression that the agenda was chomp-n-chew. Finale on the Mac was rough too, and cost $999 at the time. >I think it would be a good idea to build the next premier music program as >blocks that can be integrated into a "core" sequencer so as to be --snip-- What was Todor Fay's first program, before B&P? Soundscape? It was totally modular, to the point of having to do things like start modules separately, use a patch bay to connect them, etc. Later he somewhat streamlined it into the pipeline concept, which gave some advantages for "tool" design. >It seems that it would also be easier to get public input for add ons. We >see it in B&P as the tools offered by many helpful folks who contributed >them. Yes. I designed a few macrotools that I really used. There was that level of modularity. Then there was the Rules For Tools level, that actually involved writing code. This was another thing I found attractive about the wonderful Cakewalk. Its CAL (Cakewalk App Language) is much like having ARexx commands to operate the interface, do operands and data manipulation, etc. The more that you can make, the less you have to depend on them for. >The core should have the capability to do the serial functions as well as >the driver functions for AHI and all the possible sample formats. Which brings us around to the high-powered and lucrative marketplace of plug-ins for digital audio: real-time and computationally latent. Next installment? -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From tc_silvey@juno.com Thu, 23 Apr 1998 23:43:43 -0400 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2278 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2281 (database) From: troy silvey To: studio16 Subject: Re: B&P infatuation Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 04:43:00 Message-ID: <19980423.234357.10038.1.tc_silvey@juno.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id DAA21141for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 03:46:42 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA09494for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 05:25:50 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2,4-5,7-18,20-27 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 934b692afebd801f004f5acc401a8306 >to a screen that looks like the kids' playground in the kindergarten >with all the stupid little icons and everything but in the end I failed. >Okay, I heard from many people that it's versatile and everything, but even >in extreme conditions there was nothing I couldn't do with the KCS I >needed to do. The point I'd like to make is, power behind simplicity is the Thank you so much for validating the point of my post on a simpler interface for normal musicain that just need powerfull basics. (check my message on "Musician resources NOT cakewalk") Personally I hated KCS :) BUT what you say about the need for an interface that can get the job done without software training courses is right on with me. I do agree that KCS had a much more basic, usable, but some what powerfull interface, but at the same time I still spent too much time trying to figure it out to make me happy. Nothing ruins a musical inspiration and sends you from mellow to pissed faster that screwing around with a program to the point you have lost the mood that was creating the music.( 95 hanging my sequences and making me reboot was enough to shoot kittens over) B&P requires manual too, but I went with it for the CD sample recording and spent the time to learn it. KCS never made it to this kind of features. Ever use Tiger Cub? It was an interesting sequencer, but lacked much. Also done by Dr.T. troy _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From tc_silvey@juno.com Thu, 23 Apr 1998 23:26:35 -0400 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2245 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2282 (database) From: troy silvey To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16>Musician Resources NOT cakewalk Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 04:26:00 Message-ID: <19980423.234357.10038.0.tc_silvey@juno.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id DAA21156for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 03:47:10 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA09604for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 05:28:41 +0200 References: <19980423.130308.15758.0.tc_silvey@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-14,16-19,21-24,26-28,30-34,36,38,40,42-61,63-69,71,73-76,78-80,82,84-87 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: a077fe65e23167d993063f2f13380e7c >leading pros from different specialties use Cakewalk, FI. >http://www.e-musician.com/Excite/AT-Article_Archivesquery.html gets >Many of the publishers like dissidents (hi Jim!), Cakewalk, Opcode, >Mark Of The Unicorn have great sites including good screenshots. I keep seeing cakewalk come up in some of these examples. I normally don't say any thing If I have nothing nice to say, but I'll have to make a small exception this once. :) This is a little long and if nothing else please read the last part. Though I'm not a major pro musician, I do have many years at playing, writting and recording and I have worked with other musicians that are considered pro, though not they are not famous. I understand some of you may have feelings for cakewalk and I don't mean to pick on your preferences. But here's some of my insite. I have used sequencers of about every kind C64/128, Mac, PC, Atari, Ami of course, and serveral standalone sequencer boxes like teac, alesis roland and even one that was built into a pro keyboard. First on the list, the stand alones suck as a user interface. Little LCD panels with lots of hyroglyphics to spend days reading about. Some are better than others, but over all I hate them. Next is the Mac... Master Tracks and.... damn, can't remember the other 2 sequncers. All were ok but lacked horribly the kinds of features of B&P. I have not used the Mac version of cake walk though. On to the PC..... This is why you see me in these groups now. The C64 and Atari just lack any real power any more. I once tried to abandon Ami for the PC to continue my work. Cakewalk has some nice features that B&P would like to have, but other than that, it was a uninspiring,"hard to edit you work", utility. I did find one ray of hope on the PC side that none has mentioned. Digital Orchastra by Voyetra/Turtle Beach. www.voyetra.com they have been around since sequencers looked and worked like sonus64 and dos based voyetra. If you want to see what I think is the best the PC has on sequencers, check out that site. To move to voyetra at that time, I would have had to spend serveral hundred to upgrade my PC and buy their software. And still I would be missing some of the basic things I liked B&P for. After 4 months of serious effort, I tuned off the quirky, one active window at a time PC sequencers, turned back on B&P, got pissed, wrote MS tdo get B&P back, and here I am today. Summary........ None of the other sequencers have any thing more on B&P except for the updates it could have recieved if not for it's destruction in '93. You must relize there is a huge musicain market out there going ignored. I would estimate as much as 80% of the potential sequencer buyers, are less educated (not dumber, just lest formal education) have little or zero computer/software knowledge, are intemidated and reject a computer as a member of their band. Now which machine does this sound like a job for bridging this gap? More exspensive Mac? Bloated 95 interface with endless manual reading and software/hardware tweeking? Our Ami of couse. 2 professionals I worked wtih were ready to drop there respective Mac and PC to use B&P when I showed them what It could do. Ami's bankruptcy and near death convinced them not to. Even B&P's interface can be intimidating, but time and time again when other musicians saw how it worked, they wanted to now how they could get a set up with their own Ami. A couple did go Ami, others were turned off by Ami's market trouble. My Idea of an interface is one that any musician who has ever pressed record/play on a tape recorder could start using in 10 minutes with out a manual. Difficult you say? Was it hard the first time you pressed record/rewind/play? Other exspaned features could be installed as add-on's or updates, but one simple but powerfull interface at a small price with an affordable (and very portable for gigs) A1200 could potentially sell 10's of thousands in the US alone. I spent $500 on my first basic 4 track recorder 9 years ago. And I was doing cartwheels to have it. Imagine what can be offered to young bands and musicians at the same price with an interface as easy to use as their track recorders, with mega more features and power in an A1200 (or next gen ami) + software+sound card and with out prior knowlege of a PC. It can be done, No current platform can offer this to a PC illiterate musican. It would be a major victory for ami, as video toaster was to the video market. Well thanks for making it through all of this, now back to my programming books. I have a long way to go to get there. BTW, I was going to finish my own demo at the request of a small record lable, but put it off to work on Ami and programming this. It means that much to me. troy _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Thu, 23 Apr 1998 22:05:04 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2278 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2283 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> B&P infatuation Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 05:05:00 Message-ID: <35400F70.5731714D@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id EAA21448for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 04:05:07 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA10069for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 05:46:32 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: ef1721a81ea96df6874b9d0e5303750f Zsolt Kovacs wrote: >Back in the early ages I started using KCS from the late Dr T.'s Same here, before it got ported to the Amiga. I got good and fast with it. It also had incredible compositional prowess for more experimental approaches to music. I always waited for it on the Amiga, as Soundscape was less musician-oriented, and more for multimedia (the word hadn't even been invented yet!). But I also bought bug-ridden yet simply standard Passport MasterTracksPro, because of promised 32 midi-channel support. And I bought MusicX, which I got some good mileage out of, especially exploring graphic continous- controller editing. MasterTracks just sat in the box as MusicX had somewhat the same model, but didn't crash, and had some new twists. >When a friend of mine borrowed me his B&P, I spent hard hours trying to >get accustomed to a screen that looks like the kids' playground It was a WAY tough transition. Almost diametrically opposed. I don't know that I ever got FAST in B&P. But it supported 48 midi-channels. That covered quite a few multitimbral samplers and synths, and automated all my signal processor mixing. But after fighting with the totally non-graphic algorythmic stuff in KCS Level 2 MPC (all those checkboxes for bias, density!) it was a joy to design tools that related to musical concepts like triadic or quartal construction, arpeggiation, things I learned to use as a theory/compos- ition major. I got results for that type of thing MUCH quicker in B&P, and without the dictionary of rocket science Dr T wanted me to swallow. >Yes, I can hear Greenboy saying that I'm an anti-technical minded jerk How do you figure? We've never talked that I recall. And I believe in choices; to each his own, etc. Don't jump to conclusions. Ironic: Most people used to think I was a techie because I preferred KCS to their programs. And now there is something wrong with me because YOU like it. >still, there's a fine line between being in control of a program and >accomplishing everything with a few clicks of the mouse and being >overwhelmed by the array of so-called 'functions' that you use once in >a year after consulting the manual. A well-designed program should give that control readily, and have a smooth learning-curve because newer features are added in an intuitive fashion, perhaps using models we are already comfortable with as musicians or computer operators. And quick is good. But - I'll qualify this - if a toolset is deep and multirelational, it takes discipline to get with it. You didn't have ALL of Dr T's mastered overnight, did you? >'Convert single-instrument DA tracks into midi tracks with high accuracy'. >Wonderful. I've been working in the pro audio-for-video field for more than >ten years now, but there wasn't a single occasion when I needed to do that. So. No sense in allowing others some of the features they might use? >In case I should do that, I listen to the track and then play it on my >midi keyboard right away because that's what I've been trained to do in >the Music College and that's what my ears and hands are for if I consider >myself a musician. That's good. I might use my vintage octapad, sax with pitch-to-midi convertor or Yamaha WX11 to enter data. It still comes down to data. If the new tool is available I might use it. Or I might set up 3 mics in a tunnel and play it with a bass clarinet (I have almost all the woodwind family) to tape. >Looks like the role of many computer programs is to hide our lack of >talent and education. This argument comes from Day One of the midi era. Examine history. There have always been poseurs and powers, since music became an "entertainment" as well as a spiritual power. There were people whining about putting keys on flutes. Still are a few. But it is really about everybody finding what they are looking for, what they resonate to. >Don't get me wrong. I'm not against technology, on the contrary. >I'm against the senseless inflation of technology It is ALL technology! A shaman drum or a modeled instrument from a DSP. There is plenty to explore in music from any viewpoint, and some people would have stuck with the Amiga if their needs for the right artistic tools were met. We have the opportunity to address this, we who care about the Amiga. -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From baff@stc.net Thu, 23 Apr 1998 22:59:29 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2280 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2284 (database) From: Brian Fields To: greenboy Subject: Re: S16> DA/sequencing - HOT! Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 18:59:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id EAA21589for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 04:11:48 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA10238for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 05:53:26 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: bd200422dde4619e4e8688d5f72c1648 Greetings greenboy ; >>But to the subject; I don't much care about jazzy eye-candy GUI's as long >>as they are fairly configurable. >That is what I USED to say. But when its not just for the sake of being >rococo or flash, color can serve as a way of differentiating what is >going on, where one is, what is activated, etc. True. >Normally I go for minimalist: my browsers, I run with the keyboard, none of >those anims and flashy buttons for me. But then; there aren't that many >commands to know in a browser. In a program that can open 30 or 40 >different modules/windows/views it is nice to have quick recognition of >all controls, when sqwushing an incredible amount of data onto a 1280x1024. Or lots of hotkeys that maximize/minimize a certain window setting. So one can do more stuff with less screen. It's pretty daunting running B&P, Studio16 *and* MovieShop on one 1600x1300 screen. If you separate it in four corners or work areas you still can't necessarily get the two or three windows that you use at a time in one area. (not that I'm complaining I'm just speaking of being more efficient). Configurable hotkeys make this a bit faster and easier. >That was a great thing about B&P too. --snip-- >And you could open or close as many windows as you wanted, at the >size you needed, and save that configuration. Yup. It's all about configuration. That's a big reason why we love our Amiga's. >>The reason I paid full retail for B&P was because of the baloney they >>spouted about a competent notation printer. >It was either that, DMCS (a consumer entertainment program that didn't do But the MIDI I/O was sub par in terms of recording MIDI and composing MIDI. Yes the notation looked OK but DMCS was . . .I guess I have to say it....a bit of a toy. Like SoundScape. Again 8 bit oriented. >half bad), or Dr T's The Copyist which was like arm-wrestling a tiger Been there done that. (but not for too long, I needed to keep my arms) >Finale on the Mac was rough too, and cost $999 at the time. Out of the question. >>I think it would be a good idea to build the next premier music program as >>blocks that can be integrated into a "core" sequencer so as to be --snip-- >What was Todor Fay's first program, before B&P? Soundscape? It was totally >modular, to the point of having to do things like start modules separately, >use a patch bay to connect them, etc. Later he somewhat streamlined it into >the pipeline concept, which gave some advantages for "tool" design. I guess he got sidetracked. It's like a house with too many nic nacs. But I find it the only solution for me. >This was another thing I found attractive about >the wonderful Cakewalk. Its CAL (Cakewalk App Language) is much like having >ARexx commands to operate the interface, do operands and data manipulation, >etc. The more that you can make, the less you have to depend on them for. But that's all done for us as Amigans. For slow jobs Arexx works great. >>The core should have the capability to do the serial functions as well as >>the driver functions for AHI and all the possible sample formats. >Which brings us around to the high-powered and lucrative marketplace of >plug-ins for digital audio: real-time and computationally latent. Tools/drivers and PCI card thrown in for buying the software.....(I wish) RE: Don Cox about B&P >>What's good? >>1. The liked list structure relates well both to the Amiga OS and to >>the flow-like process of recording, editing and playing music and >>sound effects >>2. The plug-in tools and accessories facility - it would save a lot >>of coding if a new program was compatible with existing B&P tools >>3. Generally good interface >>I would like to see a program which had very strong support of time >>code and links to animations. Perhaps a window on screen for >>displaying an animation when a music track for it was being worked on. >-- greenboy >** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) -- Ta fer now, Brian baff@stc.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From baff@stc.net Thu, 23 Apr 1998 23:24:51 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2282 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2285 (database) From: Brian Fields To: troy silvey Subject: Re: S16>Musician Resources NOT cakewalk Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 19:24:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id EAA21919for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 04:36:41 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA10927for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 06:18:09 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 358d581308d3681d96facfca3aec0ac8 Greetings troy silvey ; >ray of hope on the PC side that none has mentioned. Digital Orchastra >by Voyetra/Turtle Beach. www.voyetra.com they have been around since >sequencers looked and worked like sonus64 and dos based voyetra. Looks very powerful. And only $200. But looks can be deceiving can't they. >Summary........ >My Idea of an interface is one that any musician >who has ever pressed record/play on a tape recorder could start using >in 10 minutes with out a manual. Well said troy. And I read every word of your long letter. >troy -- Ta fer now, Brian baff@stc.net >** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Thu, 23 Apr 1998 22:38:35 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2282 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2286 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: S16> Cakewalk is One Good Example. Is This a Pissing Match? Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 05:38:00 Message-ID: <3540174B.1A0CBDE9@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id EAA21946for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 04:38:29 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA11027for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 06:20:07 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <19980423.130308.15758.0.tc_silvey@juno.com> <19980423.234357.10038.0.tc_silvey@juno.com> Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: a746bbf0887e28d04f8006da238944ff troy silvey wrote: > Cakewalk has some nice features that B&P would like to have, but other > than that, it was a uninspiring,"hard to edit you work", utility. Uh. Cakewalk is come long way since old day, ke-mo-sabee. Things change. > Digital Orchastra by Voyetra/Turtle Beach. www.voyetra.com they have been > around since sequencers looked and worked like sonus64 and dos based > voyetra. If you want to see what I think is the best the PC has on > sequencers, check out that site. Actually Digital Orchestrator Plus is the other sequencer on the PC I was looking at. It too has had many recent improvements that add to its speed and ease of use. But Voyetra (they built a killer rack synth way back when) is aiming at the middle-market with this package, and it is missing just a few things I want. Sion Software (http://www.infoserve.net/quickscore/) also has taken what used to be marketed as Tiger and Quickscore by Dr T and improved it, if someone is looking for midlevel sequencing with a bigger emphasis on scoring. They also have improved The Copyist, but I would still have SOME fear in my heart. (I used all the primitive knuckle-dragging ancestors of these). I like sequencers more for their compositional and recording use, than I care about toting 'em to gigs. But any sequencer that can trigger sequences/songs/smidgeons from a ascii or ivory has my vote. (Cakewalk does this BTW. So do a few "classic" sequencers: Dr T really had this stuff in spades.) Only now you can cheat even more and use digital audio in the same fashion. -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Thu, 23 Apr 1998 23:02:17 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2285 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2287 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Musician Resources INCLUDING cakewalk Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 06:02:00 Message-ID: <35401CD9.9601DC17@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id FAA22321for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 05:02:13 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA11733for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 06:43:48 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 886143fa67fe538450dbe39bd7ec09c5 troy silvey, Brian Fields: >>ray of hope on the PC side that none has mentioned. Digital Orchastra >>by Voyetra/Turtle Beach. www.voyetra.com >Looks very powerful. And only $200. But looks can be deceiving can't they. $159 list. Easy to use considering it has midlevel DA support, decent scoring (that would be KILLER scoring as compared to B&P's). >>My Idea of an interface is one that any musician who has ever pressed >>record/play on a tape recorder could start using in 10 minutes with out >>a manual. Mine too. When is someone gonna write it? And does that include bass players, when you say "musician"? > Well said troy. And I read every word of your long letter. Yup. -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From conlee@linkonline.net Thu, 23 Apr 1998 22:45:13 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2273 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2288 (database) From: Chris Conlee To: studio16 Subject: Re: Meter question Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 06:45:00 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980423224513.00701718@popsvr.linkonline.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id FAA22807for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 05:36:59 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA12478for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 07:18:34 +0200 X-Sender: conlee@popsvr.linkonline.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: d5c7ce8e4f258e96fd67a003b3f4936b At 08:54 PM 4/23/98 -0500, you wrote: > >I haven't used Studio in a while but noticed today that the Play1 both mixer >and meter are showing red when I start Studio. It appears that something is >playing over Play1 but this is prior to me loading a sample or playing >anything. The meter and mixer are both reading in the red on that channel. I >don't know if messing with preferences and the SMPTE settings could have >caused this?? > >Any ideas?? > >Thanks, > >Norm Do you somehow have the output and the input looped together? This could (will?) cause feedback which would make your meters peg. Chris ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From jkrutz@meta.burner.com Fri, 24 Apr 98 00:05:56 MST X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2278 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2289 (database) From: Jamie Krutz To: studio16 Subject: Re: B&P infatuation Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 08:05:01 Message-ID: <9804240705.AA016vb@meta.burner.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id HAA26311for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 07:51:48 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA13690for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:33:17 +0200 References: X-NewsSoftware: GRn 2.1 Feb 19, 1994 Organization: The Back Burner BBS Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 6995d323442b44691acc0c97aba3abee In article Zsolt Kovacs writes: > Hi folks, > > reading all this stuff about an imaginary wonder music program for the > Amiga and the constant references to Bars&Pipes I couldn't help not > making the point that I personally HATE B&P. Back in the early ages > I started using KCS from the late Dr T.'s, and while it never proved > so 'clumsily handy' as an old C-Lab midi program for the C64 whose name > I don't recall any longer, I just managed to get on fine with it. The original B&P sucked. However B&P _Pro_ grew into a very nice composition environment. There's a lot a like about it. The basic metaphor of a pipeline is great. The modularity of the tools, the non-destructive nature of placing tools in the end of the pipeline, the handy visualization of the general shape of phrases in the track window, and the fairly well implemented list and graphic editing are all things I like. The notation was never much to write home about and the multimedia stuff seems like fluff to me. The icons are squished at the resolution I use, which looks a bit silly. The integration with Studio 16 finally (after many headaches) turned into a workable arrangement and has been very useful. I tried the Dr. T's stuff, but it lacked flexibility due to its interface. It could do some neat stuff, like triggering individual sequences from the computer keyboard, but I never needed to do that. Other stuff I needed to do it could not do easily, or sometimes at all. Dr. T's stuff got better, but was always just short of elegant to my brain's way of thinking. I probably still have a bunch of Dr. T's software around here somewhere, if anyone wants to buy it cheap. :^) I've been involved in several MIDI sequencer projects (testing Music X, testing B&P Pro with Studio 16, writing the manual for Harmony). It's not an easy kind of program to whip out. Today, there are more object oriented ways of designing software that would make code reusable and easier to extend. Any new project ought to go that route. Some of those earlier programs likely got so complex they were probably too difficult and time consuming to take to the next level. I saw initial screen mockups for an updated MusicX that never happened, but it looked beautiful! Best Regards, -Jamie (Lots of on-target points about jet-powered tricycles deleted) ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From jkrutz@meta.burner.com Thu, 23 Apr 98 23:45:23 MST X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2267 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2290 (database) From: Jamie Krutz To: studio16 Subject: Re: RE: S16> Guesstimate And Go For It! Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 07:45:00 Message-ID: <9804240645.AA016v6@meta.burner.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id HAA26319for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 07:51:50 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA13688for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:33:11 +0200 References: X-NewsSoftware: GRn 2.1 Feb 19, 1994 Organization: The Back Burner BBS Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: d73d53af85b60d966d04ec1b3d64f6bb In article Norm Miller writes: > Excuse my last answer, you were talking about B&P not Studio :( > > There is an option in B&P under preferences to run the program in Workbench > screen mode. On my machine this just creates another public screen using > whatever screen mode that workbench uses. I have a 1024 x 750 16bit workbench > and B&P will open on that same type of screen. > > This is with Cybergraphics V2 on a Cybervision64 board. > > No problems here. That's also how I do it on a Spectrum card running CyberGraphX, and I run at 1120 x 832 or some such. As I've posted previously, I can run B&P, Studio 16 inside B&P, and Producer (Broadcaster) simultaneously, all at that screen size. Studio 16 will sync via external SMPTE cable to the Broadcaster and B&P syncs internally to Studio 16. That's for music scoring projects. For video editing I can run the old Studio 16 libraries to control the AD516 card from within Producer (although I mostly use that system for scoring now, and edit video on a different system). > Norm Best Regards, -Jamie ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From tc_silvey@juno.com Fri, 24 Apr 1998 07:21:15 -0400 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2287 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2293 (database) From: troy silvey To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Musician Resources INCLUDING cakewalk Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 12:21:00 Message-ID: <19980424.072250.11262.1.tc_silvey@juno.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id LAA02699for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:23:16 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA16106for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:04:15 +0200 References: <35401CD9.9601DC17@bigsky.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,4-18,20-21,23,25-43 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: c773df7f72bf5796ac9ee16ca4ed1aab >Looks very powerful. And only $200. But looks can be deceiving can't >they. It's more than looks. If you have a speedy PC get the demo and give it a try OK we can include cake walk. All these apps have some good features. I just don't want a cake-clone for ami. Some of it's good points can be included of course. >>My Idea of an interface is one that any musician who has ever pressed >>record/play on a tape recorder could start using in 10 minutes with >>out a manual. >Mine too. When is someone gonna write it? And does that include bass >players, when you say "musician"? I love to play bass! And it's those type of musicians that would benifit from the type of interface I have in mind. How many musicains I can list that have no interest in editing midi tracks or samples. Those features will be there for the ones who need it, but many full time musicianssimply rewind and re-record the botched track. Forget event editing. There is a whole world of guys out there that are tired for taking their DAT recorders in for regular maintenance. For the same kind of price they can go digital with a good sequencer/sampler. And if the gods continue to smile on me I hope to have a least a non-working example of the interface I can show. It will show the lay out and buttons so some one can get an Idea what I mean and maybe draw in some more coders. troy >> Well said troy. And I read every word of your long letter. > >Yup. > >-- greenboy > >** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From tc_silvey@juno.com Fri, 24 Apr 1998 07:09:13 -0400 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2286 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2294 (database) From: troy silvey To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Cakewalk is One Good Example. Is This a Pissing Match? Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 12:09:00 Message-ID: <19980424.072250.11262.0.tc_silvey@juno.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id LAA02704for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:23:22 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA16105for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:04:12 +0200 References: <19980423.130308.15758.0.tc_silvey@juno.com> <19980423.234357.10038.0.tc_silvey@juno.com><3540174B.1A0CBDE9@bigsky.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,4,6-7,9-12,14,16-20,22-27 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 57e61372a7a375245885197541cd0ff8 >Uh. Cakewalk is come long way since old day, ke-mo-sabee. Things >change. I know it has Tonto :) I used 5.0 for about 4 months. And it does have some nice utilities, but I still think better things are possible than it's 95 interface. And I even put in my first message that I wasn't slamming anyones prefs. So if anyone IS pissing, they just need to calm down and have a nice chat.. >Actually Digital Orchestrator Plus is the other sequencer on the PC I >was looking at. It too has had many recent improvements that add to its >speed and ease of use. But Voyetra (they built a killer rack synth way back >when) is aiming at the middle-market with this package, and it is missing >just a few things I want. Agreed. I came about as close to buying that one as you can with out actually passing the $$$. I ran the demo for about a month. I think when I was looking at it, it was about $239 or so. For more like $100-120 I would have been using it and maybe dropped B&P. (perish the thought) troy _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From beachler@iastate.edu Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:11:51 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2268 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2295 (database) From: Rich Beachler To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> CGX Envvars Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 14:11:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id NAA05734for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:15:11 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA17397for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:50:05 +0200 X-Sender: beachler@pop-2.iastate.edu References: <353FBEC3.A3648149@bigsky.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: ab020a736447770187eaec57a8a5caaf Hello Brian, >>> dh0:Prefs/env-archive/CyberGraphX/ > >>> Spectrum (dir) >>> ALERTEMU 1 >>> BOOTLOGO 0 >>> CPUP2C 1 >>> HIDE15BIT 1 >>> HIRESCRSR 1 >>> KEEPAMIGAVIDEO 1 >>> NOCHIPSCREEN 0 >>> NOPASSTHROUGH 0 >>> PLANES2FAST 0 >>> SAVEMEM 0 >>> SUPERLAYERS 0 Mine are: ALERTEMU 0 BOOTLOGO 0 CPUP2C 0 HIDE15BIT 1 HIRESCRSR 1 KEEPAMIGAVIDEO 1 NOCHIPSCREEN 0 NOPASSTHROUGH 0 PLANES2FAST 1 SAVEMEM 0 SUPERLAYERS 1 plus SUPERGELS 1 USESEMAPHORES 1 and the tooltypes on my Spectrum file in devs/monitors: DRAGGING=no BOOTLOGO=no PASSTHROUGH=yes My Spectrum is in an A3000 with a PPS 040 Mercury board. I am running the 040 versions of the Cybergrafix 3 software when available. >Yeah Rich . . . . . . > >I hope you get your problem that you don't have yet and will only use once >in a while solved too. . . . . . > >Thanks for your input. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > >That brings to mind the tornado that we just had here in Georgia that >missed our neighborhood by a mere 6 miles. We didn't have one here but I >am worried that someday one may hit here. Does anyone else out there know >how to prevent this when it happens? (not that it ever will of course) Here's some more settings I have: PLANNING AHEAD TO AVOID UNTIMELY SETBACKS 1 GATHER INFO FOR BETTER UNDERSTANDING 1 OF SOFTWARE/HARDWARE I AM USING PROVIDE ANY HELP I CAN 1 WISEASS 0 Hope these help !) Rich Beachler beachler@iastate.edu ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:49:02 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2296 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio 16 GuestList Subject: S16> Resources not Rank-ons Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 15:49:00 Message-ID: <3540A65E.D7A66D10@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id OAA08361for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:49:03 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA18752for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:30:33 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 64ed2c09be4ca0bca10dfc549b162549 The whole purpose of listing urls, mailing lists, features of other programs, is not to play the same ranting and ranking games you can see on any "Everthing but Amiga Sucks!" m-list or newsgroup. It is to share ideas, make them available to others, to bootstrap ourselves out of our pre-'94 software doldrums. Appraisal of other software should not be based on knee-jerk platform association, opinions from versions that haven't been the state of the particular software for years, or fear/hate of anything that does not resemble that which we have personally become the most familiar or comfortable with. Many of the things I thought I would never care for, I've come to appreciate the beauty and logic of. That took time and required me to get past my own habits. The growth was worth it. Now, I value a quick snap judgement, but I am not tethered to it. A piece of software that is to have wide approval must either supply so much power that other alternatives simply do not exist to a majority of potential users - or - it must be so well-planned and flexible that many types of users feel that it was designed to meet their particular needs, style of work, and expertise. Type One software (power) either tries to improve its interface design as time goes by, or loses market share to Type Two. Sometimes this is not possible beyond a certain point, because the design is not modular enough, is tied to fundemantal shortcomings in the model, or the thinking of its developer/programmers. Even a from-the-ground-up rewrite is not going to revitalize it if the writer(s) have blocks and preconceptions. Type Two software usually has enough power at the start of its cycle to survive while features are added or enhanced. Interface designs can also vary, and a few users simply are not going to grok it, even if it is simple, because it comes from a mindset that is alien to them. But in general, it can enjoy a broad spectrum of users, if it keeps up with market expectations of ease-of-use for the amount of power supplied. I have seen complaining that makes me wonder why I bothered sharing. Digging up sources, ideas - why bother when people say, "Come back in the cave, life is proper here!" Or even worse, "You are no longer welcome in the cave! You have offended me and my people." Anyway, I have examined sequencer/sampler/digital audio/computer design ever since before the dawn of the midi age and find it fascinating. My love for permutation and evolution of thought and design philosophy forces me to admire what I see on other platforms, and allows me to go back to all the sequencers I have known and loved and recognize their genius. [You should see my "record" collection. Try getting a fix on me, your eyes go on to the next few titles, and you are sunk. I like ALL those types of music, though a firm believer in Sturgeon's law "Ninety percent of anything is crap."] Its real simple. Amiga needs new software to go forward. If it doesn't cover enough ground it probably won't satisfy existing users, let alone attract new ones - goodbye Amiga. -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From test@bastionhost.avenor.com Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:18:54 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2297 (database) From: Test To: 'studio16@thule.no' Subject: Amiga!! Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 16:18:01 Message-ID: <01BD6F6A.63556800@gclink.avenor.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id PAA09093for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:20:14 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA19156for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:01:51 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: bastionhost.avenor.com: Host [10.100.240.153] claimed to be gclink.avenor.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id RAA19153 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 5a346130358b6eaed26910a8cfc95514 I'm writing this (rambling) because I want to tell someone who will listen, and where I live, everyone is PC or nothing, so this list is the only place for me to turn to. I've owned an Amiga for 11 years, and this past year has been the most Amiga productive year ever. I have been drawn closer to the Amiga then I ever have before. Maybe it's because of the advent of some good internet software, but what ever it is.... I love it more than ever. For someone to give up on the Amiga now, after all it's been through, would be silly. How many other computer platforms can survive 3 bankruptcies and still have a following this big... (yes it's small in comparison to MS, but MS never went bankrupt). To me, this can mean only one thing. It's the technology that keeps its head above water. As a technical person, I don't really care if the platform is supported by the masses, as long as it is supported in some small way, even if it's only by the users. If the masses can't see the difference, that's their problem isn't it? I have given up on trying to convince people of Its superiority. They can all flounder in the dark with Win95 for all I care. It's not worth the effort anymore. I don't know where I'm going with this, but I just had to write this down after reading Greenboys last message. Gord (kernal) Clink gclink@dryden.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:14:51 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2289 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2298 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: S16> MidiManglerProAudioPlus (studio furniture included!) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 17:14:01 Message-ID: <3540BA7B.6E851BAA@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id QAA10527for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:15:14 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA19771for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:56:21 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9804240705.AA016vb@meta.burner.com> Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 2a4aacf59567dc09295068f4affd1131 Jamie Krutz wrote: >The basic metaphor of a pipeline is great. The modularity of the tools, >the non-destructive nature of placing tools in the end of the pipeline, There are other ways to achieve non-destructive editing, but the pipeline approach is amazing. Not only does it help one visualize what is going on, but it allows one to come back to song a year later, without wading through a bunch of different saved versions, and continue to experiment with the basic germ. Whereas multiple undos can't go beyond the session, and multiple version saving can be a headache. >the multimedia stuff seems like fluff to me. Me too. But someone has probably used it to great effect somewhere. I think pro music software today puts its multimedia emphasis on being able to deal as a game-soundtrack environment. Supplying tools that assist in film scoring is also important. Though internet music issues are becoming part of the mix, and presentations have not been forgotten in some quarters. >The icons are squished at the resolution I use, which looks a bit silly. Imagery and fonts need to be resizable. It seems that having two nested images stored for each placement (configured by user radio-button) can solve this. Fonts are either stored in sets of bitmaps, or can be resized vector fonts. But Amiga's current vector font choice and engine is not up to good display, especially at smaller pointsizes. Though I have noticed a font-smoother on the net lately; for graphics-card users of course. >The integration with Studio 16 finally (after many headaches) turned into a workable arrangement and has been very useful. Another advantage of current gen stuff: the devs have already integrated the environment. Some titles support industry standard plug-ins, external hardware control and interfacing, and support for further real-time effects via add-on DSP boards - and you get to choose the hardware to run your digital audio on according to needs and budget. >Dr. T's stuff got better, but was always just short of elegant to my >brain's way of thinking. Dr T's original screens never really changed that much. They just added a few for the PVG and MCP. Most sequencing studios couldn't believe I used that butt-ugly 2-bitplane interface by choice. I had three platforms to choose from, after all! But at the time, Dr T's allowed one to deal with compositional techniques that were not achievable elsewhere, at least not without microscopically tweaking in an event list. I was after multiple simultaneous meters, polyrhythms, non-chained sequencing, etc. >I probably still have a bunch of Dr. T's software around here somewhere, >if anyone wants to buy it cheap. :^) I thought you were going to buy mine! I gues it just stays in the drawer with the ginsu knife and the one-size-fits-all socket wrench... >I've been involved in several MIDI sequencer projects (testing Music X, > --snip-- I saw initial screen mockups for an updated MusicX that never >happened, but it looked beautiful! I betaed for Music-X also, and it became my sequencer of choice for quite awhile. Many of its abilities, and the model it was built on (colorful MasterTracksPro basically) are still in wide use elsewhere today. One thing it never really fulfilled was its support for more than 16 midi- channels. (Where is David Joiner today?) I bought two Checkpoint Tech multi-serial cards to use with it for up to (eventually) 64 channels. But Music-X never really got that happening satisfactorily. Fortunately, I talked B&P into supporting those cards. [When I later bought TriplePlay+, Blue Ribbon offered to buy those two (discontinued) serial cards - for full list! Full value recieved!] >Today, there are more object oriented ways of designing software that >would make code reusable and easier to extend. Any new project ought to >go that route. Amen! It also makes it easy to maintain a tradition in the sequencing world: MidiMangler Home, MidiMangler Studio, and MidiMangler Pro Audio Plus (with studio furniture included!). They can all be the same thing - with hooks for the uplevel modules. The software engineer does not need to go and do mild rewrites to have models for all sizes. -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:31:12 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2297 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2299 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: Amiga!! Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 17:31:00 Message-ID: <3540BE50.2AEEEBA@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id QAA10816for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:31:32 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA19966for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 18:12:50 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <01BD6F6A.63556800@gclink.avenor.com> Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: d83095a34ec30c1da011b4ddc3b4352d Gord (TEST?) wrote: >For someone to give up on the Amiga now, after all it's been through, >would be silly. How many other computer platforms can survive 3 >bankruptcies and still have a following this big... (yes it's small in >comparison to MS, but MS never went bankrupt). To me, this can mean only >one thing. It's the technology that keeps its head above water. As a >technical person, I don't really care if the platform is supported by the >masses, as long as it is supported in some small way, even if it's only by >the users. If the masses can't see the difference, that's their problem >isn't it? I have given up on trying to convince people of Its superiority. >They can all flounder in the dark with Win95 for all I care. It's not >worth the effort anymore. > >I don't know where I'm going with this, but I just had to write this down >after reading Greenboys last message. Boy, Gord, I don't even know which message you are referring to, or what you got out of it, but you should be on the Team AMIGA m-list! This message would look real good over there just about now. (it's amazing what a few good programs can do, isn't it?) -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:37:01 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2300 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio 16 RSVP Subject: S16> Macro Modernity for MidiMangler Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 17:37:00 Message-ID: <3540BFAD.6C56C653@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id QAA10927for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:36:45 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA20044for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 18:18:31 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: ccc47b23d7a4cdac2cfb1fe0a556d9e5 As Amiga users, we might at times take ARexx for granted. But having a macro language - and a way to communicate with other programs is a treasure. And it is already built. On other platforms, any power-user program needs to supply its own language, and one that is not system-wide. To be able to perform the moves and tasks you want to take place and record them as an EDITABLE script/macro, like you can in ImageFX or PageStream, is a fantastic way to have incredible third-party commercial, share- and free- wares available for MidiMangler. There is a BUZZ a title gets when cool new freebies and affordable modules are continually available for it. And all that free advertizing! And as an aside, I've never seen it done with more apparent simplicity than in ImageFX! The scripts it generates are so clean and easy to modify. The included AutoFX utility makes it possible to chain these macros and do incredible things without ever really getting your hands dirty. And it is all due to a well-thought out design, where ARexx was in at the foundation. Java isn't half bad either. (always willing to confuse the issue) -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From gclink@dryden.net Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:44:16 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2301 (database) From: Gord Clink To: 'studio16@thule.no' Subject: RE: Amiga!! Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 17:44:00 Message-ID: <01BD6F76.5054CA00@gclink.avenor.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id QAA11160for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:45:33 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA20233for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 18:27:14 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: bastionhost.avenor.com: Host [10.100.240.153] claimed to be gclink.avenor.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 094208c0ff5e1a14071794b36175cc37 ---------- From: greenboy[SMTP:greenboy@bigsky.net] Sent: Friday, April 24, 1998 11:31 AM To: studio16@thule.no Subject: Re: Amiga!! Gord (TEST?) wrote: >For someone to give up on the Amiga now, after all it's been through, >would be silly. How many other computer platforms can survive 3 >bankruptcies and still have a following this big... (yes it's small in >comparison to MS, but MS never went bankrupt). To me, this can mean only >one thing. It's the technology that keeps its head above water. As a >technical person, I don't really care if the platform is supported by the >masses, as long as it is supported in some small way, even if it's only by >the users. If the masses can't see the difference, that's their problem >isn't it? I have given up on trying to convince people of Its superiority. >They can all flounder in the dark with Win95 for all I care. It's not >worth the effort anymore. > >I don't know where I'm going with this, but I just had to write this down >after reading Greenboys last message. Boy, Gord, I don't even know which message you are referring to, or what you got out of it, but you should be on the Team AMIGA m-list! This message would look real good over there just about now. (it's amazing what a few good programs can do, isn't it?) It's not really that your message said anything in particular, other than making me think the thoughts I wrote.... :) Gord ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From conlee@linkonline.net Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:03:03 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2300 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2302 (database) From: Chris Conlee To: studio16 Subject: Off Topic Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 18:03:00 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980424100303.0070055c@popsvr.linkonline.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id QAA11322for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:54:46 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA20433for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 18:36:27 +0200 X-Sender: conlee@popsvr.linkonline.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Cc: VIDEOTEC@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: e815166d166e4958f96d35a8633ad82c Howdy, Sorry for the off-topic post, but have been watching a site in Los Angeles that is a hoot. A local station has 5 kids stuffed in a '98 VW Beetle, and the one that lasts the longest wins it. They've got streaming video/audio, and it's pretty neat to hear what these kids talk about after 3 or 4 days in the car. The site is http://liveinit.earthlink.net Chris ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From doncox@enterprise.net Thu, 23 Apr 1998 20:05:11 +0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2245 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2303 (database) From: Don Cox To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Guesstimate And Go For It! Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 21:05:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA11470for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:00:02 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA20535for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 18:41:48 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 15d461c5d4807ea8648fb640fe9158a3 On 23-Apr-98, troy silvey wrote: > >> to make software that works on either 68K or PPC). > > If it is done in clean C, won't it compile properly for PPC? Yes. Should work with SAS c if I understand correctly - I think people are trying out the new beta now. But there is a rumor floating around about the possible use of a system called slim binaries to make code which would work with either processor, and with Pentium as well. The computer adapts it at load time. The problem is that at present this idea has only been made to work with the Oberon language. In fact the only working example is the Mac Oberon compiler. It involves a special compiler which analyses the code, and a special loader. This is a vague rumor which might solidify at WOA. There may be nothing in it, and anyway a straight 2-version compile must be OK. Re: Cakewalk I have also heard lots of good things about Cakewalk, so we should look at it for ideas. I don't have a PC here, so I can't try it myself. -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From doncox@enterprise.net Thu, 23 Apr 1998 19:54:15 +0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2248 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2304 (database) From: Don Cox To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Guesstimate And Go For It! Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 20:54:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA11469for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:00:02 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA20528for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 18:41:38 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 4daded044db5fcabd36203e4ff06c039 Hello Gord On 23-Apr-98, Gord Clink wrote: > Hi Don, > >> What is wrong with B&P? >> 1. Doesn't work properly on graphics cards > >>> A note on this.....You can load B&P on an 8 bit screen limited to 8 >>> colors. I am running it on an1600x1200 screen with Studio16 and >>> MovieShop. > > I use Bars&Pipes on a PicassoII board running Picasso96 software and have no problem with it at all.... This is the first I've heard of it not running properly. I also load Studio16 onto the same screen as well with no problems.... 16 colors, 8bit..... I tried it on CGFX3 and found that it didn't draw some details (parts of the notes in standard notation for instance) and it seemed unstable. Maybe it is happier under P96. I don't think it can be said to be 100% retargetable, more like ProPage, almost there. Cheers -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From doncox@enterprise.net Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:20:48 +0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2279 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2305 (database) From: Don Cox To: studio16 Subject: Re: B&P infatuation Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 18:20:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA11504for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:01:16 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA20580for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 18:42:25 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: f6f7e553ff352fe2fb499c5d92c43d6e On 23-Apr-98, Brian Fields wrote: > At a certain point I had to decide whether I was a technician/engineer or a > musician. I chose the latter. This is why I was so frustrated in terms of > not being able to edit in realistic notation (but I do like the hybrid > staff in B&P and I'd like it better if it worked well %100 of the time). I only suggested B&P as a starting point because it works well with S16 and I know it. We need the best ideas from all the programs. > IMHO It seems that most music programs are made for folks who aren't > musicians. And it seems that that is where the program should start. Of > course it's all about time and MIDI and SMPTE and multi-media and all the > different formats of 8/16/24 bit sound. That's why the timeline is the > centerpiece of music software. The central problem is how to edit a multi-dimensional structure. In the time dimension, the tricky bit is handling the constant slight tempo changes that happen in real music, getting the sequencer to respect the variations in your timing as you play into it and recognise where your bar lines (measure lines) come. And adjust it later. At right angles to the time there are several dimensions: pitch, loudness, instrument, effects (echo etc), envelopes of notes, and maybe others. How to do a clear interface to edit all of these? I have a sort of vague idea of something like a horizontal rotating bookcase which would turn to emphasise the aspect you are editing, but still show, for instance, pitch while you are editing velocity. There should be options for traditional notation, hybrid or piano roll (nice for chromatic scales) as now. A crucial feature of real music which MIDI neglects is phrasing, how you move from one note to another, especially on a continuous instrument like a violin. MIDI sequencers are geared more to individual notes. Some kind of graphic pitch bend editor is needed. -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From doncox@enterprise.net Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:23:22 +0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2273 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2306 (database) From: Don Cox To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Mods - cool, DA/sequencing - HOT! Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 18:23:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA11509for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:01:19 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA20588for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 18:42:39 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: d0ad81b324166f7b10944040d6014ca9 On 23-Apr-98, Brian Fields wrote: > will be going the way of parallel PPC processing, I think it would be a > good idea to build the next premier music program as blocks that can be > integrated into a "core" sequencer so as to be functional or not. It seems > that it would also be easier to get public input for add ons. We see it in > B&P as the tools offered by many helpful folks who contributed them. > The core should have the capability to do the serial functions as well as > the driver functions for AHI and all the possible sample formats. Yes, that's what I think. A core program with well documented facilities for plug-ins and comprehensive ARexx support, including commands for making requesters, as is documented for B&P tools. If we could agree on a spec for this, there is some chance it could get coded, whereas a complete 2 Meg program is too much for one or two ppl to tackle. Could we think up a program which would be simple, like DPaint, when you first turn it on, and be able to be built up later as add-ons get written? -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From doncox@enterprise.net Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:58:23 +0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2293 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2307 (database) From: Don Cox To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Musician Resources INCLUDING cakewalk Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 18:58:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA11516for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:01:20 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA20603for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 18:42:50 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 50bf1d0ed529c04898036194d8f50ad1 On 24-Apr-98, troy silvey wrote: > OK we can include cake walk. All these apps have some good features. > I just don't want a cake-clone for ami. Some of it's good points can be > included of course. No clones. We need to go on to the next step in interface design. But look at all of the existing software for good ideas. I can represent a different point of view from you as I am _not_ a musician. I doubt if I will ever be able to play an instrument to a good standard. But I would like to have a program I could use to explore and learn about music composition, and to link up sound to animation. So there are many users of this kind of software. -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From doncox@enterprise.net Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:39:40 +0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2269 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2308 (database) From: Don Cox To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Modern Graphic Card Support Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 18:39:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA11517for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:01:21 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA20600for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 18:42:50 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 410c203eac4e3cf29713a27844935c12 On 23-Apr-98, greenboy wrote: > If you want a program that allows multiple resolution screen use (from > 640x480 to 1600x1200) it is much easier to have fonts that are easily sized > and antialiased than it is to have many bitmaps of many sizes. Unsmoothed > screen fonts do not look as good, cause eye fatigue, and will not represent > at small sizes. It seems to be best to use pre-rendered and hand-optimised bitmaps for small sizes, up to 24 pixels, and outlines above that. Adobe have made bitmaps of their fonts for the Mac. It is easy on the Amiga to combine the two, as the system will use a bitmap if there is one, and scale an outline if not. You just set up a bitmap font drawer with the same name as the outline. -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:14:16 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2303 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2309 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Dare I say it? [cakewalk] Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 18:14:00 Message-ID: <3540C868.4F1F9E68@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA11763for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:14:06 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA21139for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 18:55:46 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 2b50b247466ebaf14ea0d3f5dbaf8857 Don Cox wrote: >Re: Cakewalk >I have also heard lots of good things about Cakewalk, so we should >look at it for ideas. I don't have a PC here, so I can't try it myself. Just check out those urls and look at the descriptions, reviews, screenshots. For everything, not just Cakewalk. It is almost beside the point for our purposes whether the stuff works, or works well. It is just a set of ideas to steal, avoid, or learn from. You know the old saw: If you're going to steal, steal from the pros! Catch you on the funway! -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:23:43 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2302 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2310 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> OffTopic - The Bug is making a Comeback Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 18:23:00 Message-ID: <3540CA9F.DC91EC99@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA11916for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:23:41 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA21347for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 19:05:17 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3.0.1.32.19980424100303.0070055c@popsvr.linkonline.net> Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 24f1ed1df2e34a7165bbb9d5139c0814 Chris Conlee wrote: >Sorry for the off-topic post, but have been watching a site in Los Angeles >that is a hoot. A local station has 5 kids stuffed in a '98 VW Beetle, and >the one that lasts the longest wins it. They've got streaming video/audio, >and it's pretty neat to hear what these kids talk about after 3 or 4 days >in the car. The site is http://liveinit.earthlink.net You're not craftily referring to the quality of our current "discussions" in a roundabout way, are you Chris? ;^} I'm at the site as we spreak, er - splake, er ... what ARE they saying?!? And what is that bad smell? -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From tc_silvey@juno.com Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:32:56 -0400 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2296 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2311 (database) From: troy silvey To: studio16 Subject: S16>Rank-ons & Feature List Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 18:32:01 Message-ID: <19980424.133440.13846.0.tc_silvey@juno.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA12224for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:36:00 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA21639for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 19:17:15 +0200 References: <3540A65E.D7A66D10@bigsky.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-19,21,23-24,26,28-29,31,33,35-37,39,41,43-46 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 77dc15111b07d627af4a62a876f5be2f >Appraisal of other software should not be based on knee-jerk platform >association, opinions from versions that haven't been the state of the >particular software for years, or fear/hate of anything that does not >resemble that which we have personally become the most familiar or >comfortable with. So far I think most of the conversation has gone well here. A bit of knee jerking is going to be involved no matter what, but so far I have not seen a thread disentegrate in to the normal flame wars you see almost every where else. In some cases people are going to exspress a strong personal preference on a subject or product. "That sux" "This rulez". In most of those cases it's the reponders that start over-reacting. In one case I stated I hated KCS, then I hate KCS. I've used KCS, CW 5.0 and 6.0 and I didn't like them. Acussing me (not you greenboy) or anyone of being ignorant, uninformed, or not learning it well enough to qualify an opinion is pointless, and eggs on time consuming nothing-ness. If we are going to talk about the next gen sequencer for amiga, I suggest maybe we ignore sequencer names completely and instead start to compile a list of the features that should be included. 3 groups of features possibly. Everyone close their eyes, reach in and pull out a good thing from a sequencer they like or don't like, and we'll go from there. #1 the most essential basic utilities to start, #2 the advanced features for the power user, and then #3, the wish list features. And I don't care what sequencers, Mac, PC, or Ami the features are drawn from and it shouldn't matter at all. Of course there will be disagreement in what one might call essential and another calls advanced, but that's a task for another day. Let's start with the list first. I can try to keep a list of suggestions, but if some one wants to help compile it, lets do it. BTW RanKOn doesn't sound too bad for a working name if the new sequencer :) Any one know how camoflague is doing? I havn't heard any thing new latley. I have not used it, but it looks far from the idea I have in mind for an interface. troy _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:45:10 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2308 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2312 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Modern Graphic Card Support Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 18:45:00 Message-ID: <3540CFA6.F13486EC@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA12392for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:44:54 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA21827for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 19:26:40 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 913d452ed88c0472907c8d31d8c74b2e >>If you want a program that allows multiple resolution screen use (from >>640x480 to 1600x1200) it is much easier to have fonts that are easily >>sized and antialiased than it is to have many bitmaps of many sizes. Don Cox: >It seems to be best to use pre-rendered and hand-optimised bitmaps for >small sizes, up to 24 pixels, and outlines above that. Actually Amiga's compugraphic engine doesn't do that hot of a job with many faces, until you get up in the 36point range. But you should see the latest font-smoother in (here comes a stoning for the blasphemer now!) Windozzze. In Netscape, FI, you can take a TT or PS down to maybe 6pt and the letters still hold up and are readable. Any of them at 8 points look as good as a properly-designed bitmap - and are antialiased! This really smokes for multiresolution and configurability issues! If my Amiga weren't waiting for a processor, I'd be playing with the font smoother I saw announced (Amiga Web Directory? Aminet?) for graphics-card users, right now. In conjunction with the for-so-long-now-Beta patch that allows one to use PS fonts as system fonts. See you on the funway! -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From baff@stc.net Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:42:47 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2295 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2313 (database) From: Brian Fields To: Rich Beachler Subject: Re: S16> CGX Envvars Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 08:42:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA12575for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:54:46 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA22022for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 19:36:30 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: c892346d6c88346d722a6dbbe336a22b Greetings Rich Beachler ; >My Spectrum is in an A3000 with a PPS 040 Mercury board. I am running >the 040 versions of the Cybergrafix 3 software when available. I have an A3000 also with a PPC and CyberGraphX 3 '040 also. >Here's some more settings I have: >PLANNING AHEAD TO AVOID UNTIMELY SETBACKS 1 >GATHER INFO FOR BETTER UNDERSTANDING 1 > OF SOFTWARE/HARDWARE I AM USING >PROVIDE ANY HELP I CAN 1 >WISEASS 0 >Rich Beachler >beachler@iastate.edu -- These are useful. Thanks Rich. It just looked to me like you were asking a help question and then leaving the room. I can only give what I've got and I ain't got a crystal ball. Thanks for contributing (as I thought I was). My address is below if you want to take this elswhere. At your service, Brian baff@stc.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From baff@stc.net Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:17:40 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2290 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2314 (database) From: Brian Fields To: Jamie Krutz Subject: Re: RE: S16> Guesstimate And Go For It! Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 09:17:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA13452for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 18:29:28 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA22731for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 20:11:07 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 2f496bd36c384177022b8142d7fff015 Greetings Jamie, >> There is an option in B&P under preferences to run the program in Workbench >> screen mode. On my machine this just creates another public screen using >> >> No problems here. >That's also how I do it on a Spectrum card running CyberGraphX, and >I run at 1120 x 832 or some such. As I've posted previously, I can run >B&P, Studio 16 inside B&P, and Producer (Broadcaster) simultaneously, >> Norm >Best Regards, > -Jamie I'll try this again later tonight. Thanks Norm and Jamie. >** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) -- Ta fer now, Brian baff@stc.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:32:18 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2305 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2315 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: S16> 3D representation matrix SHREDS! Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 19:32:00 Message-ID: <3540DAB2.FA57E8CF@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA13519for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 18:32:08 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA22777for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 20:13:49 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 03668a5e1a631460d7441d5353823309 Don Cox wrote: >the tricky bit is handling the constant slight tempo changes that happen >in real music, getting the sequencer to respect the variations in your >timing as you play into it and recognise where your bar lines (measure >lines) come. And adjust it later. A respected PC prog whose name I shall not mention does this well. It can take a digital audio track, construct a tempo map complete with bar-lines, and is easily editable. It can also make groove templates from audio or sequences, so as to fit "the feel of the real" and still have some quantizing to nip the bummers into place. This is also great for a band-oriented approach, because tracks can be recorded in real time with all those wonderful "performance anomalies", and any needed midi work can really fit in, be expanded upon, etc. [I can't believe some of the ppqn quotes I'm seeing these days! I would think 480 or 960 would be sufficient! Its a magnitude higher than we started out with.] > At right angles to the time there are several dimensions: pitch, > loudness, instrument, effects (echo etc), envelopes of notes, and > maybe others. How to do a clear interface to edit all of these? > > I have a sort of vague idea of something like a horizontal rotating > bookcase which would turn to emphasise the aspect you are editing, but > still show, for instance, pitch while you are editing velocity. Like the Caligari [True Space] 3d prog's interface. Serious horsepower needed, and you can BET sequencers of the future will all have something like this. Will we be the first? > There should be options for traditional notation, hybrid or piano roll > (nice for chromatic scales) as now. And a event-editing window, that allows you to work with each data ala original Dr --whoops! - I mean, that sequencer that originated on the AtariST from a developer who was around even before that. > A crucial feature of real music which MIDI neglects is phrasing, how > you move from one note to another, especially on a continuous > instrument like a violin. MIDI sequencers are geared more to > individual notes. Some kind of graphic pitch bend editor is needed. Most pro sequencers for the past decade (has it been that long?) have graphic editing for all types of CC (continuous controller) events. Various thinning and filtering methods are usually present. On our platform M____-X was a good example. I love your thoughts and ideas Don, especially the 3d model. It has movies of MidiMangler v6.07 playing in the old noggin already! -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From tc_silvey@juno.com Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:52:46 -0400 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2309 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2316 (database) From: troy silvey To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Dare I say it? [cakewalk] Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 18:52:00 Message-ID: <19980424.145353.13846.3.tc_silvey@juno.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA14038for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 18:55:03 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA23230for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 20:36:04 +0200 References: <3540C868.4F1F9E68@bigsky.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2,4-8 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 09f1736df47d9e4bdcea9f68b0a12409 >It is almost beside the point for our purposes whether the stuff >works, or works well. It is just a set of ideas to steal, avoid, or learn >from. You know the old saw: If you're going to steal, steal from the pros! Excellent point! troy _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From tc_silvey@juno.com Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:50:42 -0400 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2307 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2317 (database) From: troy silvey To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Musician Resources Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 18:50:00 Message-ID: <19980424.145353.13846.2.tc_silvey@juno.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA14057for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 18:56:02 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA23259for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 20:37:44 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-15 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 32e9c66aaed4cb7d8ca60323d770ba27 >I can represent a different point of view from you as I am _not_ a >musician. I doubt if I will ever be able to play an instrument to a >good standard. But I would like to have a program I could use to >explore and learn about music composition, and to link up sound to >animation. So there are many users of this kind of software. I've met alot of "musicians" that couldn't play. And run for it when they try to sing :) A good app for learning on ami is music shop, the other title from blue ribbon, but you still need to get a keyboard or guitar along with a chord book to acompany it. If you find you can't sleep at night becase playing is more important, then I think you call your self a musicain and actually get some lessons. But as you say, it is still a necessary tool for any one who just wants to add sound and music to their video work. troy _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From doncox@enterprise.net Fri, 24 Apr 1998 20:04:18 +0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2298 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2318 (database) From: Don Cox To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> MidiManglerProAudioPlus (studio furniture included!) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 21:04:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id TAA14211for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 19:02:20 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA23411for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 20:44:00 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: f516b5d658b830499ac90951d48296d7 On 24-Apr-98, greenboy wrote: > Imagery and fonts need to be resizable. It seems that having two nested > images stored for each placement (configured by user radio-button) can > solve this. Personal Paint has a standard IFF file with 2 sizes of tool icons. Any user can edit these if they like. This could be extended to give more sizes, or the icons could be stored as simple structured graphics (DR2D?) and rendered to size. > I betaed for Music-X also, and it became my sequencer of choice for quite > awhile. Many of its abilities, and the model it was built on (colorful > MasterTracksPro basically) are still in wide use elsewhere today. One > thing it never really fulfilled was its support for more than 16 midi- > channels. (Where is David Joiner today?) He has a nice looking web site at sylvantech.besler.org/~talin The links back to his home page don't work. There are some essays which are worth reading. I have thought that as the Amiga gets going again it could be worth while to try to wake him up. -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:05:33 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2306 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2319 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> DA/sequencing - HOT! Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 20:05:00 Message-ID: <3540E27D.703343A5@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id TAA14296for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 19:05:26 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA23480for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 20:47:08 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 3cfbc07e515942e4247f2f089dffa2c8 Brian Fields wrote: >>I think it would be a good idea to build the next premier music program >>as blocks that can be integrated into a "core" sequencer so as to be >>functional --snip-- The core should have the capability to do the serial >>functions as well as the driver functions for AHI and all the possible >>sample formats. Don Cox wrote: >Yes, that's what I think. A core program with well documented facilities >for plug-ins and comprehensive ARexx support, including commands for >making requesters, as is documented for B&P tools. If we could agree on a >spec for this, there is some chance it could get coded, Agreed. Old way bad. Modular good! [But not modular in the sense of Todor Fays' Soundscape. Every session with it involved much configuring before plunking even a note!] Intelligent defaults for the first time the user boots, and until he familiarizes himself with the program, have long been a hallmark of a good title. But supplying a SET of defaults/presets for different user- profiles would be better yet (would you like to play a game of chess, Dave?) Another approach would be that of a Setup Wizard (idea nicked from the evil empire of William the Astonished). It will walk the user through initial setup while familiarizing him with perhaps a few concepts. Gotta have: Online help bubbles and hypertext, with an auto-connect to a support website would be nice also. No more waiting for bugfixes, or updates. Automatic user-registration at first connect - no more reg cards moldering away at the bottom of the box. CDRom distribution: its the turn of the millenium now. [As an additional service the user will be assured nothing is going to crash forever at the strike of Twelve.] >whereas a complete 2 Meg program is too much for one or two ppl to tackle. Oh, for the days when a 2 meg program was unimaginable! >Could we think up a program which would be simple, like DPaint, when >you first turn it on, and be able to be built up later as add-ons get >written? We're gonna be able to paint with it too? Well, I want true-color ;^} -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From doncox@enterprise.net Fri, 24 Apr 1998 19:44:06 +0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2296 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2320 (database) From: Don Cox To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Resources not Rank-ons Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 20:44:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id TAA14590for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 19:21:42 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA23717for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 21:03:09 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 02800fe19a31d376aeed8d0ca64e1498 On 24-Apr-98, greenboy wrote: > > Its real simple. Amiga needs new software to go forward. If it doesn't > cover enough ground it probably won't satisfy existing users, let alone > attract new ones - goodbye Amiga. > And it should be what you call Type 2, as is the Amiga OS. People will actually buy a computer to use a good piece of music software. People buy Acorn computers so they can use Sibelius. If Troy can do a bit of coding and is brave enough to let some of us see his rough ideas, we can come up with something very good, I think. -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:52:15 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2320 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2321 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: S16> Type 2, raise your hands! Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 20:52:00 Message-ID: <3540ED6F.DE685C28@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id TAA15302for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 19:53:05 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA24030for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 21:33:46 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: e65ba561330d331ba7ad436f88f488ad On 24-Apr-98, greenboy wrote: >>Its real simple. Amiga needs new software to go forward. If it doesn't >>cover enough ground it probably won't satisfy existing users, let alone >>attract new ones - goodbye Amiga. >And it should be what you call Type 2, as is the Amiga OS. >People will actually buy a computer to use a good piece of music >software. People buy Acorn computers so they can use Sibelius. Oh yeeeaaah... I remember an early software that was on DOS and Amiga, Roger Powell's TEXTURE (stand back, boys, I am naming names here!). It got some good write-ups in "musiciany" mags; they thought it quite good for a PC sequencer! Well it was Type 1 at best - and it needed a MPU401-compatible (Roland/PC) midi interface to get things rolling. Not Amiga -standard. Pretty much everything on the AtariST and Mac could run rings around it. But it really wasn't Roger's fault, he was a musician first (that can be good I realize) who bought into the PC back when its resources as a GUI/sound/intelligent computer were virtually nil. And the port was pretty much verbatim. >If Troy can do a bit of coding and is brave enough to let some of us >see his rough ideas, we can come up with something very good, I think. I hope I pray. Because I haven't seen one piece of sequencer/audio software for years that wasn't a team effort on the coding. Some of them might have started as one person in front of a pizza and a sixer of Jolt. But sustainability and improvement, for ware that is WAY underrated in complexity and intelligent design (Hey, we're talking about a tool for Art, commerce, education, AND entertainment here, folks!) - well a team is necessary. And don't forget how many generations of improvement the truly good titles of this category have evolved through. -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:04:43 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2318 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2322 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> MidiMangler asides Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 21:04:00 Message-ID: <3540F05B.D8791568@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id UAA15581for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 20:04:57 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA24171for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 21:46:14 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 18e0d4add8bc1e71304b9275655cdadd >>Imagery needs to be resizable. It seems that having two nested images >>stored for each placement (configured by user radio-button) can solve this. Don Cox wrote: >Personal Paint has a standard IFF file with 2 sizes of tool icons. Any >user can edit these if they like. This could be extended to give more >sizes, or the icons could be stored as simple structured graphics (DR2D?) >and rendered to size. Ah PPaint was great! And will be upgraded again I hear. Cloanto has really become a class act. Nice site too. I like the structured gaphics, goes with the structured fonts. ;-) But I wonder about overhead. >>I betaed for Music-X also, and it became my sequencer of choice for >>quite awhile. (Where is David Joiner today?) >He has a nice looking web site at sylvantech.besler.org/~talin. >There are some essays which are worth reading. I have thought that as >the Amiga gets going again it could be worthwhile to try to wake him up. Now on the hotlist, thanks Don. As an aside, and perhaps I even asked you this six months hence: was that you I saw with Jennif -- I mean, was that you who used to do all that great stuff for GEnie's Amiga stuff? (sorry, I get sidetracked...) forward, into the past! -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From doncox@enterprise.net Fri, 24 Apr 1998 20:54:09 +0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2315 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2323 (database) From: Don Cox To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> 3D representation matrix SHREDS! Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 21:54:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id UAA15702for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 20:09:05 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA24237for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 21:50:54 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: c25736186a72c3f76e27e633a3677e3e On 24-Apr-98, greenboy wrote: > And a event-editing window, that allows you to work with each data > ala original Dr --whoops! - I mean, that sequencer that originated on > the AtariST from a developer who was around even before that. Is this different from the requester you get with the magnifying glass in B&P? This allows you to type in exact times (very useful for putting in footsteps at SMPTE times), velocities, etc. -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:19:08 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2323 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2324 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Event List (listview) Editing Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 22:19:00 Message-ID: <354101CC.919784F5@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA17325for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 21:19:28 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA25246for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 23:00:47 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 9df6f0bba5a125808c2a59172a2bb227 >> And a event-editing window, that allows you to work with each data >> ala original Dr --whoops! - I mean, that sequencer that originated >> on the AtariST from a developer who was around even before that. Don Cox wrote: > Is this different from the requester you get with the magnifying glass > in B&P? This allows you to type in exact times (very useful for > putting in footsteps at SMPTE times), velocities, etc. I've always liked it better than the tack-on mag lense in B&P. It is a full-scrollong window with every single midi event that occurs on that track, and allows direct-input data entry. Its been awhile, but I believe it filter/toggles channels different types of data, etc - so that if you just want to see and edit noteon-duration-velocity events you can. Global edits were also possible. In B&P it isn't as integral. -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:46:25 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2325 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio 16 GuestList Subject: S16> Historical Document Unearthed! Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 22:46:00 Message-ID: <35410831.6F84CE93@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA17975for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 21:46:18 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA25590for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 23:27:58 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: f0d4aa7676c70926310c14883dd74919 Here is the first aborted attempt at discussing the music program we are all waiting for. About a month ago (funny it seems longer to an old duffer like me. Aah, the twilite years...) One spelling has been corrected, other- wise it is an actual historical documentation. Ther are some ideas here, so I asked Don to peruse his archives, as mine have been relegated to Trantor. Any opinions I might decide to change later - or have already - I'll let you know, Don! Or not. ========================== On 31-Mar-98 Don Cox wrote: >For an imaginary program which would do much the same things as Cubase, >would you prefer >1. A colorful, sculptural interface (like Kai's power tools or Power Goo) On 31-Mar-98 greenboy wrote: I believe that would be too cryptic for a sequencer/scorer. The gimmick works for PowerGoo because it replaces a limited set of (menu) commands and the manipulation that takes place is mainly input by mouse. PowerGoo is mainly just a slick morphing program, and a sequencer/scorer is perhaps analagous to a imageproc/paint program in complexity. > 2. Slightly 3D with some color (like Bars&Pipes) > 3. Plain and efficient style Black-and-white like Cubase Atari A colorful 3D program with multi-windowing and a high degree of interface configurability is the best bet. This would include the choices of color in the display, windows with movable gadgetry ala MUI apps (IBrowse, YAM), windows that have expanded and contracted views for different functional areas (like Nutscrape Messenger, FI). I prefer different windows for different modes of use, preferably that could even be promoted to their own public screens. A graphic selector bar could toggle between screens (or bring sleeping windows to surface). One of the menu headers could be WORKSTYLE, and would show all currently saved window/screen configurations including gadget states, collapsed areas if any, and assignable keyboard setups. The program would be shipped with a set of these WORKSTYLES that ntelligently addressed different needs and levels of expertise. The default WORKSTYLE in the shipped version would allow for a very fast--as painless as possible--learning curve for all the basic needs. An ARexx-accessing macro recorder (and editor) along the lines of the beauties found in ImageFX or PageStream--with logical functions (ADD, AND, OR, XOR, etc)--available would allow the design and exchange of plugins. Of course, common and not so common musical functions such as arpeggiation, metric manipulation, time-stretch, feel, transpose, and chord-voicing (love those guitar voicings available in B&P!), centered and non-centered inversion would also be achievable, and capable of being chained, and assigned to gadget icons. An auto-compiler module would be available to make opaque code from that arexx. The compiled tools would run faster, for situations that warranted it. This would also allow third-party developers some additional security. All midi editing functions would be accessible during playback/ recording. All graphic editing windows would be qualifier-linked to value-displaying windows of the same data, and would autoscroll and value-change in synchronization. Well, that's enough for now. =========== -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From doncox@enterprise.net Fri, 24 Apr 1998 23:02:40 +0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2311 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2326 (database) From: Don Cox To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16>Rank-ons & Feature List Date: Sat, 25 Apr 98 00:02:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id WAA18374for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 22:02:38 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA25825for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 23:44:25 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 97e8dda9e6891b2508b6c35caeab063d On 24-Apr-98, troy silvey wrote: > Everyone close their eyes, reach in and pull out a good thing from a > sequencer > they like or don't like, and we'll go from there. > #1 the most essential basic utilities to start, #2 the advanced features > for > the power user, and then #3, the wish list features. 1. recording of live performance via MIDI input, with matching up of bar lines to fit the played tempo. Edit using a hybrid display, with a few stages of undo. Quantisation including swing (and respecting the varying tempo). Perhaps smooth out tempo changes. Play to MIDI with tools on output, such as instrument selection, harmony. Also use short samples like 8SVX instrs, but also in 16-bit, via retargetable audio. 2. Pattern editor input for drum rhythms, song structure editor, track edit display in piano roll, notation, and continuous pitch (marked in frequencies) format. Snap to key, beat. Spline curve editing for pitch bend (theremin, or circling helicopter sound). Keyboard tunings for different temperaments. Animation window, SMPTE lock. Amiga keyboard input. Notation printing. Vibrato. Different setups for various types of work. Lots of tools. 3. Very good notation printing; Postscript output. String section with 36 separate string players. Link up to Soundprobe, which by then should have pitch-to-MIDI. Algorithmic composition. Automatic fugues. Don (who is listening to Heifetz playing a Beethoven violin sonata and wondering how exactly you could notate the performance). ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From doncox@enterprise.net Fri, 24 Apr 1998 21:26:21 +0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2322 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2327 (database) From: Don Cox To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> MidiMangler asides Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 22:26:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id WAA18379for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 22:02:39 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA25819for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 23:44:18 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 918b24b6357402cf1a9ecef21a40d045 On 24-Apr-98, greenboy wrote: > As an aside, and perhaps I even asked you this six months hence: was that > you I saw with Jennif -- I mean, was that you who used to do all that > great stuff for GEnie's Amiga stuff? (sorry, I get sidetracked...) What, her??? No, that was someone else. Yes, there is a disk full of genies for Gold Disk products, plus some scripts for ADPro and others that I tinker with now and then. I'm never sure whether it is enough for me to call myself a developer! I see someone is setting up a payment service for shareware, so I might try it out again. Larry Hickmott at LH Publishing sold the disk for a while. It made about enough to buy a monitor. The most recent are a couple of standalone progs, one for sorting files into directories and one for listing the version numbers of all the files in a drawer. -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From baff@stc.net Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:54:58 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2305 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2328 (database) From: Brian Fields To: Don Cox Subject: Re: B&P infatuation Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 12:54:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id WAA18605for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 22:10:49 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA25952for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 23:52:32 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: f3ce6d85ae3c8de9377ee239a42e32fa Greetings Don, >I only suggested B&P as a starting point because it works well with >S16 and I know it. We need the best ideas from all the programs. Absolutely. >The central problem is how to edit a multi-dimensional structure. In >the time dimension, the tricky bit is handling the constant slight >tempo changes that happen in real music, getting the sequencer to >respect the variations in your timing as you play into it and >recognise where your bar lines (measure lines) come. And adjust it >later. Yes, which brings to mind the tempo map in B&P. >At right angles to the time there are several dimensions: pitch, >loudness, instrument, effects (echo etc), envelopes of notes, and >maybe others. How to do a clear interface to edit all of these? This is the minutiae within the big picture of course. These all show up in the B&P window and I think they were headed in the right direction with this. Individual timeline parameters for individual tracks. >I have a sort of vague idea of something like a horizontal rotating >bookcase which would turn to emphasise the aspect you are editing, but >still show, for instance, pitch while you are editing velocity. I think B&P does this OK but it could indeed be improved upon. >A crucial feature of real music which MIDI neglects is phrasing, how >you move from one note to another, especially on a continuous >instrument like a violin. MIDI sequencers are geared more to >individual notes. Some kind of graphic pitch bend editor is needed. A window for a window in a window? Yes maybe click on the pitch timeline in the edit window to bring a decent pitch editor up. >-- >Don Cox >doncox@enterprise.net -- Ta fer now, Brian baff@stc.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From onad@ao.net Fri, 24 Apr 1998 19:46:44 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2329 (database) From: Dan Oberley To: studio16 Subject: tempo idea Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 15:46:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id XAA20751for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 23:49:27 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA27869for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 01:30:48 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 2e37b551ce501651cddc4ffc1efc835d It would be nice to have a "live" drummer setting the tempo for the sequencer. One way to do this could be to put a mic in the bass drum connected to the input of a cheap 8bit sampler. The software could judge the tempo from the time between the the "spikes" the sampler was getting from the bass drum. Of course you could also use the Sunrize input instead of an 8bit sampler for this but, you would probably be useing it as part of the sound/show. Just an idea for any programmers out there. Or maybe it's a really stupid idea, i don't know. ;) ******************************** Spider Byte Dan Oberley Studio's Winter Park, FL (407)740-6616 ******************************** ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Sat, 25 Apr 1998 03:37:44 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2329 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2331 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Sequencer tempo idea Date: Sat, 25 Apr 98 10:37:00 Message-ID: <3541AEE8.E9719495@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id JAA29013for ; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 09:38:00 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA03790for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 11:19:19 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 9cc7c841e1ce667593b8b5f971d3d00e Dan Oberley wrote: >It would be nice to have a "live" drummer setting the tempo for the >sequencer. One way to do this could be to put a mic in the bass drum Great idea if you substitute a piezo sensor for the mic (too interactive). The trigger pad could actually interface to available midi solutions instead of using an audio sampler. (You've probably seen my mentions of Cakewalk's being able to convert an audio track into a tempo map or groove template, and this is the purpose it serves as well). There are two ways to think about the kick drum data. Either you convince the drummer to play the meter - normally a 4-on-the-floor (shades of disco!). This would much resemble the tap-tempo feature first seen on Sequential Circuit's Studio440 drum sequencer/sampler in the late '80s. Alternately, you design an algorythm that can pull the tempo out of what kick patterns a drummer actually LIKES to play, perhaps with an intervention requester, asking for a meter or tap before the song actually begins (four kicks instead of drumstick clicks to start the band?). The algorythm then has a context to extrapolate from, what is actually happening to the tempo without constraining the drummer. I see hiccups for a design generation or three here though. Even piezos in a loud, resonating environment false-trigger. Threshold settings can only do so much. Also, any tap-oriented realtime feature actually needs several taps in a sample/grouping to see how timing is fluctuating, thus what it does to midi output is always that much behind. Similar to the lag-time guitarists have faced on the low strings when driving midi-rigs, especially when using sounds with sharp ADSRs. But Midi Mangler should be able to do it, right? -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From tc_silvey@juno.com Sat, 25 Apr 1998 00:41:03 -0400 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2326 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2332 (database) From: troy silvey To: studio16 Subject: S16> Sing for my meal? Date: Sat, 25 Apr 98 05:41:00 Message-ID: <19980425.004312.10366.3.tc_silvey@juno.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id JAA29208for ; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 09:50:50 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA03963for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 11:32:17 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-16 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 0ddaa741b26567a28dd701568ea61104 I was just thinking. I have thrown alot of opinion around here latley and I just thought some of you might like to hear some of the recordings I've done with S16 , B&P and Ami to get an ideal of what I do. Not everyone likes the some type stuff, so you won't hurt my feelings if you don't like the sytle. As an example, I don't like most country myself, but I can still appreciate the work they put in it. If some one has a place I can up load some large stereo files that others can get to if they want, I'll put up a couple of working samples. I tried once to clip some samples, crunch them from 41khz to 16khz and make them into 1-2 meg files, but they sounded like crap after that. I wonder if aminet has a limit? They have tons of mods. I wonder if samples count? troy _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Sat, 25 Apr 1998 04:35:24 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2332 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2333 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Sing for my meal? Date: Sat, 25 Apr 98 11:35:00 Message-ID: <3541BC6C.E520CD44@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id KAA29960for ; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 10:35:18 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA04631for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 12:16:58 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <19980425.004312.10366.3.tc_silvey@juno.com> Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 6a8195cee58731b278ec35e67c04c7fb troy silvey wrote: > I was just thinking. I have thrown alot of opinion > around here latley and I just thought some of you > might like to hear some of the recordings I've done > with S16 , B&P and Ami to get an ideal of what I do. > Not everyone likes the some type stuff, so you won't > hurt my feelings if you don't like the sytle. As an example, > I don't like most country myself, but I can still appreciate > the work they put in it. If some one has a place I can up > load some large stereo files that others can get to if they > want, I'll put up a couple of working samples. I tried once to > clip some samples, crunch them from 41khz to 16khz > and make them into 1-2 meg files, but they sounded > like crap after that. I wonder if aminet has a limit? They > have tons of mods. I wonder if samples count? Hi, Troy! Sounds like a good idea for a website: streaming or downloadable RealAudio, studio pics, etc. -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Sat, 25 Apr 1998 04:36:41 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2326 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2334 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: S16> Momentous Midi Mangler Musings Date: Sat, 25 Apr 98 11:36:00 Message-ID: <3541BCB9.59C1FE5B@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id KAA29973for ; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 10:36:29 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA04653for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 12:18:15 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: c1d13f886eec70e120fd167bafa7198f troy silvey wrote: >>Everyone close their eyes, reach in and pull out a good thing from a >>sequencer they like or don't like, and we'll go from there. Not trying to sidetrack anybody, but I really don't care if another mid-level sequencer is ever built. Partly because this is not what I would use, but mostly because (for other than those who get some satisfaction designing it) the marketplace is littered with 'em. (1) Past Amiga low- and mid-level sequencers have sunk without a trace; there are still quite a few titles we haven't even mentioned here. (2) The sequencers that WERE arguably hi-level, like B&P, are now mid-level anyway (and that is if you have it running in conjunction with Studio16!). No sense in reinventing the wheel. Unless you are attaching it to a vehicle that is going to take us, and others, new places. The core/modular concept needs to be boilerplated around a high-end model in order for the end-product to be able to meet low-, mid-, and hi- expectations without gaping design flaws. And it had better be reach-for-the-sky ambitious about THAT design spec, because by the time it is done, others will have raised the bar yet again - and that is true whether we are talking interface or features. One needs be brutally pragmatic about this at the same time one is dreaming a big dream - a real balancing act. Head in clouds, feet on ground. Which brings me around to my next concern: developer's status. Amiga OS 3.5 will be out, probably this summer. Regardless of what you have heard, this is a new threshold. Even if OS 3.5 seems to be a mild step, it is part of a larger spec that sets the path for future Amiga OS, hardware, and software development. If we are to go beyond pipe-dream play, developer's status is a must. Personally, I don't want to use a piece of software that is banging the hardware, not using system software resources (properly), etc. Last time the world changed, all kinds of hacks like mode-promoters FI, became necessary clutter on our systems, and added to potential and real instabilities. All because some developers wouldn't bring their products up to current standards. Many of them, when confronted, admitted that it would be no easy task to add these fixes because of their earlier practices. We don't even need to discuss the orphaned programs. Even before checking out 3.5, I am not in the least bit interested in anything that feels it has to support lower than 68020 coding, or 3.1 OS. Probably any software that is sufficiently advanced is going to crawl on anything less than an 040, and 3.1 has been around a long time and has features that are needed for the "Midi Mangler Audio Pro" to NOT BE obsolescent the moment it comes out. If the Amiga is to become a desirable platform again, the standards and visions need rise above the current level, which is for the most part based on pre-94 titles and technologies. Otherwise what is the point? -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From gen@interlog.com Sat, 25 Apr 1998 06:32:38 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2297 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2335 (database) From: Eugene Gibas To: Test Subject: Re: Amiga!! Date: Sat, 25 Apr 98 12:32:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id LAA01150for ; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 11:38:19 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA05430for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 13:19:59 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 312c3494b9b9f020000533f4f1a5d31f On 24-Apr-98, Test wrote: >I'm writing this (rambling) because I want to tell someone who will listen, >and where I live, everyone is PC or nothing, so this list is the only place >for me to turn to. >I've owned an Amiga for 11 years, and this past year has been the most Amiga >productive year ever. I have been drawn closer to the Amiga then I ever have >before. Maybe it's because of the advent of some good internet software, but >what ever it is.... I love it more than ever. >For someone to give up on the Amiga now, after all it's been through, would be >silly. How many other computer platforms can survive 3 bankruptcies and still >have a following this big... (yes it's small in comparison to MS, but MS never >went bankrupt). To me, this can mean only one thing. It's the technology that >keeps its head above water. As a technical person, I don't really care if the >platform is supported by the masses, as long as it is supported in some small >way, even if it's only by the users. If t >he masses can't see the difference, that's their problem isn't it? I have >given up on trying to convince people of Its superiority. They can all >flounder in the dark with Win95 for all I care. It's not worth the effort >anymore. >I don't know where I'm going with this, but I just had to write this down >after reading Greenboys last message. >Gord (kernal) Clink >gclink@dryden.net >** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) BRAVO! Nicely said! You're obviously not a "SHEEP"! ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From tc_silvey@juno.com Sat, 25 Apr 1998 00:25:55 -0400 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2321 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2336 (database) From: troy silvey To: studio16 Subject: S16> raise your hands! and pray! Date: Sat, 25 Apr 98 05:25:01 Message-ID: <19980425.002636.10366.1.tc_silvey@juno.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id LAA01386for ; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 11:52:01 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA05664for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 13:33:45 +0200 References: <3540ED6F.DE685C28@bigsky.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,5-28 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: b196137cbbbc26098ddfdbd93a21346b >If Troy can do a bit of coding and is brave enough to let some of us >I hope I pray. Because I haven't seen one piece of sequencer/audio >software for years that wasn't a team effort on the coding. Some of >them might have started as one person in front of a pizza and a sixer of >Jolt. I don't pretend to be able to pull this off alone. Hell I'm not even a good C programmer, YET. I was an ACE 10 years ago, able to walk on my hands backwards blind folded and still do code that worked great and baffeled other students, teachers and programmers, but I have to knock off alot of rust. In '89 I decided I couldn't sit at a computer and do code all day so I moved on to other things. (mistake? maybe) I couldn't know then that a good programmer would pull in 100k+ salary some day. I also have to learn 2 new things to me, C and the complete Ami OS. An insane task if I ask myself, but I'm gonna do it in short order (I hope) One thing I can do with your help is to start a project inovative enough to attract other resources. Mean time I'm up to my arse in C and Ami books and on programming mailing list and internet sources, while pulling 4-5 hours sleep. I'm a beleiver in prayer, so if you have one, drop one for me that I don't melt down before I'm through :) I'f off to start the rough interface layout...... troy _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From tc_silvey@juno.com Sat, 25 Apr 1998 00:08:27 -0400 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2329 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2337 (database) From: troy silvey To: studio16 Subject: Re: tempo idea BRILLIANT! (says troy) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 98 05:08:00 Message-ID: <19980425.002636.10366.0.tc_silvey@juno.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id MAA01684for ; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 12:12:02 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA05963for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 13:53:46 +0200 References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-34 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 311d873d96d3cc1f5aafd2306ff31591 >It would be nice to have a "live" drummer setting > the tempo for the sequencer. -snip- >Just an idea for any programmers out there. >Or maybe it's a really stupid idea, i don't know. ;) I was born with promark sticks in my hands :) I later learned other instruments, but the one thing I struggle with is getting B&P to do that perfect tempo I'm looking for some times. Also I would like to be able to play drums strait in to the sequencer with varing tempo. B&P can't properly quantize a "live" variable input. No sequencer I know can do it. Does any one else? The drummer of the band should be the master here. Not the Click, Click of the sequencer. Of course you can edit tempo with B&P, but as soon as you start to try, you have killed the spontaneous rythm you wanted in the first place. The perfect tempo many times comes as you play, not as you're trying to think about how to play. Good natural tempos often spawn great songs. Whe you try to map tempos in an editor, you're out of right brained creativity and into left brain techno garb with editing. ( do I have my brains right? :) What you thought might be a silly ideal could be one of the features I think would sell this to many of those users and bands that want the human sound of music and not the techno pop sound from the computers they avoid. Drummers keep their jobs despite drum machines, and the ami sequencer finds it's home in the music industry. I think it's a DAMN GOOD idea. And I'm thinking how to get the code to respond to it already. troy _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Sat, 25 Apr 1998 07:03:52 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2337 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2339 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: tempo idea BRILLIANT! (says troy) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 98 14:03:01 Message-ID: <3541DF38.105EB72F@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id NAA02764for ; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 13:21:34 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA06507for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 15:03:10 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <19980425.002636.10366.0.tc_silvey@juno.com> Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 570acc3bef1d3be22fd99ee789b8e851 troy silvey wrote: >B&P can't properly quantize a "live" variable input. No sequencer I know >can do it. Does any one else? Seen my post on this? Various stand-alone and software seqs have done it, but the limitations I've stated are tough to bypass. Dedicated hardware devices like The Russian Dragon (look closer at that name!) have handled this (introduced NAMM '90 or so). A few years ago another buzz was the Hotz Controller, that worked with feel. There have been many ways to do it, but (sorry>) Cakewalk probably is the way to go. Track the band playing live as digital audio, while recording whichever part would seem to make the most coherent tempo-track. Then use it to drive all midi and overdubs. One reason DA belongs in a sequencer is so we can use live time, and for styles of music that demand it, acoustic instruments - without making 'em peg to a click, or a drumbox. Even playing triggered samples with pads in real time and recording DA is preferable for some material, instead of recording to sequencer. >Drummers keep their jobs despite drum machines I used to laugh in the eighties, when drum machines and synths and samplers were considered so ominously threatening. In the band scene they are no more or less than any other instrument now. >I think it's a DAMN GOOD idea. And I'm thinking how to get the >code to respond to it already. Go cat, go! -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Sat, 25 Apr 1998 07:23:50 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2336 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2340 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> raise your hands! and pray! Date: Sat, 25 Apr 98 14:23:01 Message-ID: <3541E3E6.56D372AC@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id NAA02785for ; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 13:23:33 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA06534for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 15:05:26 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3540ED6F.DE685C28@bigsky.net> <19980425.002636.10366.1.tc_silvey@juno.com> Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 925ae6fa5c737d3f7356c792f7e92261 >>I hope, I pray. Because I haven't seen one piece of sequencer/audio >>software for years that wasn't a team effort on the coding. Some of them >>might have started as one person in front of a pizza and a sixer of Jolt >>but --snip-- troy silvey wrote: >Mean time I'm up to my arse in C and Ami books and on programming mailing >list and internet sources, while pulling 4-5 hours sleep. I'm a beleiver >in prayer, so if you have one, drop one for me that I don't melt down >before I'm through :) I'f off to start the rough interface layout...... I'm probably your worst nightmare on this list, troy.;} You ask a ? and I come back at you with a do-you-want-to-or-don't-you? You say something and I say, No, That Won't Do. You see a one-guy-gets-it-out-the-door project. And I see at least two code-hardened leapers, tacking it out. ;) And I hope that you have not taken this too personally, as I wish the best for your future. But let me explain: I have beta-tested and been a power- user in this field for some time now, and have been frustrated time and again, as programs on other platforms stole the march. I was a pain-in-the-ass as a beta tester. I didn't just report bugs, I demanded features. I watched most of my pleas go unheeded for Amiga music programs. The Amiga didn't get out of the gate too well with music to start with either: the first midi sequencers got their clock the wrong way and were thus deficient in timing accuracy. It didn't help that the otherwise pathetic AtariST had midiports and was cheaper. But each time things were needed to go big league, developers in the sequencer marketplace dropped the ball. More than once I've mentioned having more than 16 midi channels. At a time when many hobbyist users needed at least 32 - and even DOS PCs supported more - it was impossible to get an Amiga developer to commit. (and they could have used existing hardware - all they had to do was build hooks to it ). Even if Amiga hadn't gone through The Fire, not ONE of these developers are around today. I'm sure they blame(d) the Amiga marketplace, piracy, music-mags, etc. But there were plenty of opportunities to establish healthier marketshares. They just wouldn't do what was needed. For quite awhile they competed against similar developers with similar resources. Midi was still pretty new also; anything was possible. The developers that excelled on the ST moved on to the Mac. The Mac houses REALLY believed in excellence - always adding features, improving interfaces, and expanding their sights. Many of the early small operations on other platforms are now considered the GIANTS. They still evolve in ease-of-use, meeting the needs of the users and practicing innovation. They deserve the success they have won. The only Amiga sequencer house that was truly progressive (and BTW, listened to users and beta-testers) was BlueRibbon. They even learned how to market. And their savvy is why M$ "stole" 'em. I tell you (and anyone else) these things, so that no unassailable naiveties or delusions that have killed all Amiga sequencer predecessors will be fostered. Then you (we) have a chance. Take care. -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From net@dutch.nl Sat, 25 Apr 1998 16:49:05 +0900 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2341 (database) From: Rene' Schaap To: studio16 Subject: RE: Plugins and Tools ????? Date: Sat, 25 Apr 98 08:49:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id OAA04177for ; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 14:51:10 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA07591for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 16:32:32 +0200 X-ROUTED: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 16:51:30 0000 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Net X-Mailer: AEMAIL (Amiga eMail), Version 1.40 (October 10 1997), (c) 1997 by John F. Zacharias Organization: No Empty Tape Productions Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: bc8940bc41965a2843f7d7ffeb86f535 On Thu, Apr 23, 1998, at 08:38 PM, greenboy wrote: > > >It seems that it would also be easier to get public input for add ons. We > >see it in B&P as the tools offered by many helpful folks who contributed > >them. > > Yes. I designed a few macrotools that I really used. There was that level > of modularity. Then there was the Rules For Tools level, that actually > involved writing code. This was another thing I found attractive about > the wonderful Cakewalk. Its CAL (Cakewalk App Language) is much like having > ARexx commands to operate the interface, do operands and data manipulation, > etc. The more that you can make, the less you have to depend on them for. > > >The core should have the capability to do the serial functions as well as > >the driver functions for AHI and all the possible sample formats. > > Which brings us around to the high-powered and lucrative marketplace of > plug-ins for digital audio: real-time and computationally latent. Next > installment? Interesting, maybe B&P tools could acces the Ad516/Studio16 or via another sample editor like sound FX, ,Wrench, Soundprobe or maybe the Prostation software. Some Ideas. Maybe a sampler tool, use your Ad516 as Sampler with some realtime fx like Echo, Reverb etc etc. Send samples via a B&P tool from th AD516 to a Midi Sampler. A tool for the TB303 Emulator/Tracker. A tool for a connection with a CD burn program like MasterISO and MakeCD. Sounds great to me, but is it possible. SeeYaa Rene'(DSP) Schaap _ ( ) No Empty tape Productions. ------------------------------ Get your Masterplan ready for the interactive decade. Email : net@Dutch.nl Homepage: http://www.dutch.nl/net Voice : 0031 (0)35 52 42 72 0 FAX : 0031 (0)35 52 66 31 7 ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From tc_silvey@juno.com Sat, 25 Apr 1998 12:31:47 -0400 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2336 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2343 (database) From: troy silvey To: studio16 Subject: S16> On a critical note.... Date: Sat, 25 Apr 98 17:31:00 Message-ID: <19980425.123556.10358.3.tc_silvey@juno.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA11459for ; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 21:35:18 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA11809for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 23:15:26 +0200 References: <19980425.002636.10366.1.tc_silvey@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-17 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 0742f4a617db503bb9efd022767b1296 It has been a long time since I have spoken to Ben Fuller. My last 2 mails have gone unanswered so far. And I noticed he has not been seen in this group for a while. Could this mean he has left us for good? I hope not. If so, I'm not sure what it means for AHI and S16. He was generous to offer to help at all, but has the enthusiam died? If he is still monitoring this group or some one else has seen some word from him, please drop a note and let me know. I plan to keep looking into S16/AHI. I wrote been that I was was going to decompile the S16 drivers and do what I could to help, But so far no answer. In the worst case I guess, we keep out S16 cards and buy a second (and much more exspensive) second AHI card. Anyone know if he's still on the mail list? That would at least tell me he still has a soft spot for us. troy _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From ImJohn@worldnet.att.net Sat, 25 Apr 1998 14:48:40 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2329 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2344 (database) From: John Rice To: studio16 Subject: Re: tempo idea Date: Sat, 25 Apr 98 22:48:00 Message-ID: <35425A38.686AD94C@worldnet.att.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA11587for ; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 21:42:37 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA11898for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 23:24:31 +0200 Organization: Ib Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 75947e9df3fed50f20974ec1642274ab Dan Oberley wrote: > It would be nice to have a "live" drummer setting the tempo for the sequencer. > One way to do this could be to put a mic in the bass drum connected to the > input of a cheap 8bit sampler. The software could judge the tempo from the > time between the the "spikes" the sampler was getting from the bass drum. Good idea but the problem with using the bass drum as a timing source is that in a majority of music, ( except maybe disco ), the bass drum doesn't play a steady rhythm. You will usually hear it on beats 1 and 3 but then there are lots of variations, like 1-------3-+---+-1-------3-------1e-a---a3-+a---a ( -=16th rest ) Possibly a better timing source would be the h-ihat and / or ride cymbal. A majority of the time ( in rock and pop at least ) a drummer will play constant 8th or 16th notes on one of them, although there are lots of exceptions. The problem here also is that there are slight variations thrown in from time to time and for a lot of forms of jazz, latin and others, the cymbal patterns are more complex. What might work is that if you had a program that could have certain minimum / maximum tempos for the song set up, what type of note you are referencing ( half notes for the bass drum, 8th or 16th notes for the hi-hat, etc. ) and then set the system to make tempo 'samples' at regular intervals. At each interval it would 'listen' until it could grab an accurate tempo within the given parameters. Just my 2 beats....uhhh .... I mean 2 cents! ;-) ImJohn@worldnet.att.net .......I play drums. ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From tc_silvey@juno.com Sat, 25 Apr 1998 12:22:14 -0400 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2340 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2345 (database) From: troy silvey To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> raise your hands! and pray! Date: Sat, 25 Apr 98 17:22:00 Message-ID: <19980425.123556.10358.2.tc_silvey@juno.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id WAA12228for ; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 22:07:03 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA12122for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 23:48:45 +0200 References: <3541E3E6.56D372AC@bigsky.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-50 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 967b191c519710c7d357cf4372524345 >And I hope that you have not taken this too personally, as I wish the Not a chance. I have skin thick as bricks. If I had any thing less would I still be amiga? :) You seem ok to me. >sequencer marketplace dropped the ball. More than once I've mentioned >having more than 16 midi channels. At a time when many hobbyist users That always ticked me off about the non-pro B&P. The code was already there for more tracks. They just turned it off. >around today. I'm sure they blame(d) the Amiga marketplace, piracy, Their piracy losses are in the hundreds of thousands and even the millions in some cases, but they are doing fine. Why? The marketing you mentioned. Commodore sucked pigs through toothpicks at this point. I on the other hand could market a sequencer right to the source. The musicians, not only the computer mag users. I'm a painfull realist though. I consider this all a hobby. I can't exspect to make a dime from it. I only want to help ami if I can. >to market. And their savvy is why M$ "stole" 'em. Ow, stop reminding me. But if I win the lottery, I still have the phone number to the MS guy handy to buy it back :) >naiveties, delusions that have killed all Amiga sequencer >predecessors will be fostered. Then you (we) have a chance. >Take care. >greenboy I'm am a desert to these things. My friends call me "Mr. critical negitivity" I depress people with my hard facts and "good mood" killing reality. But I have a large sense of humor and sometimes I have helped some of these over optomistic naive folks get their sites strait and move on to good things. The fact is, I am likely to fail and I know it. But I also now that any thing in the past that I have dedicated myself to has either made it, or minimum taken an unexspeced turn to a differnt goal. I am more stuborn than a cold sore and I'm not going quitely. I can imagine as long as I put some serious work in this, then in the future it will open a way to other projects and developers that I can draw resources from or join their porjects and still get good things done for ami. And maybe against horrible odds, I just might make it. But "Mr critical negetivity" says I'm a dope to try. My answer to that (as most critics of what I can and can't do) is BITE ME. :) the ever critical and laughing.... troy _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From doncox@enterprise.net Sat, 25 Apr 1998 16:21:11 +0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2339 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2346 (database) From: Don Cox To: studio16 Subject: Re: tempo idea BRILLIANT! (says troy) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 98 17:21:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id WAA12493for ; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 22:16:22 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA12251for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 23:58:15 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 4a6a282a14cc82d98bc44df5390a00fa On 25-Apr-98, greenboy wrote: > troy silvey wrote: >> B&P can't properly quantize a "live" variable input. No sequencer I know >> can do it. Does any one else? > > Seen my post on this? Various stand-alone and software seqs have done it, > but the limitations I've stated are tough to bypass. > Track the band playing live as digital audio, while recording whichever > part would seem to make the most coherent tempo-track. Then use it to > drive all midi and overdubs. A microphone lead with a big capacitor between the signal and ground would cut out most of the high frequency signals and make it easier for software to pick up the beat, as you can then sample at a low rate without hitting local peaks and troughs. On the general point of "we don't want just another medium-level sequencer", I think the two things are 1. to spend plenty of time getting the basic structure, interface and data handling right. To try to do what Carl Sassenrath did with exec - lay a solid foundation for the future 2. to keep thinking "is this good for musicians"? The first version will obviously be short on features, but if it's musician-friendly, people will want it. If the basics are right features can be added later. Sound cards with 6 or 8 simultaneous inputs will be standard soon, I think. I see ACT is working on an Amiga one. The combination of long samples (ie digital recordings of tracks) with short ones (ie single notes in a Yamaha ROM, controlled by MIDI) and medium ones (sampled drum loops) in one editing program is the thing, with the tempo set by a live musician if you want. Something that might be relevant: the programmer of Movieshop (editing program for VLab & Draco) has had a lot of trouble keeping the video and audio in sync. It looks as though playing different kinds of data in sync without drifting is tricky, and needs special thought. -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Sat, 25 Apr 1998 21:48:06 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2346 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2347 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: s16> tempo idea BRILLIANT! Date: Sun, 26 Apr 98 04:48:00 Message-ID: <3542AE76.3F7E53A1@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id DAA17820for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 03:49:47 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA17003for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 05:29:45 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 3949b8a6bd9e2ccd16440ba0cec0c05d troy silvey: >>B&P can't properly quantize a "live" variable input. No sequencer I >>know can do it. Does any one else? greenboy: >>Seen my post on this? Don Cox: >A microphone lead with a big capacitor between the signal and ground >would cut out most of the high frequency signals and make it Seen my post on this? Piezo contact is the way to go. Frequency response is not an issue here, rejection of other sound sources and shell resonance is. The piezo costs a buck or two, has a good rejection threshold even without attached circuitry, does not feedback. Take the word of a studio engineer. >On the general point of "we don't want just another medium-level >sequencer", I think the two things are >1. to spend plenty of time getting the basic structure, interface and >data handling right. To try to do what Carl Sassenrath did with exec >- lay a solid foundation for the future Yep, that's it alrighty! > 2. to keep thinking "is this good for musicians"? I really don't buy this "musician" slant anymore. I've been one much of my life, met hundreds (thousands?), read interviews, etc, and have come to the conclusion that such a social group - musicians - is the last place to go when you want concordance. There is no standard model "musician" that one would use as a template. I think what we are talking about is designing interface models that are ergonomic, flexible (Brian says configurable!), and intuitive. Although that is practically as nebulous. Using models of operation that people are already familiar with can be a blessing. But at times it has also proven to be a curse, if a better way to do it is available. Peavey, BTW has a great control surface with sliders and buttons and footpedal insert that is > > The first version will obviously be short on features, but if it's > musician-friendly, people will want it. > If the basics are right features can be added later. > > Sound cards with 6 or 8 simultaneous inputs will be standard soon, I > think. I see ACT is working on an Amiga one. > > The combination of long samples (ie digital recordings of tracks) with > short ones (ie single notes in a Yamaha ROM, controlled by MIDI) and > medium ones (sampled drum loops) in one editing program is the thing, > with the tempo set by a live musician if you want. > > Something that might be relevant: the programmer of Movieshop (editing > program for VLab & Draco) has had a lot of trouble keeping the video > and audio in sync. It looks as though playing different kinds of data > in sync without drifting is tricky, and needs special thought. > > -- > Don Cox > doncox@enterprise.net > > ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Sat, 25 Apr 1998 22:22:57 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2346 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2348 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Study, understand, apply Date: Sun, 26 Apr 98 05:22:01 Message-ID: <3542B6A1.6DB4302B@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id EAA18373for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 04:23:03 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA17642for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 06:04:43 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: a405e1b8a8c0d71c1ab8e826e1f005b2 troy silvey: >>>B&P can't properly quantize a "live" variable input. No sequencer I >>>know can do it. Does any one else? greenboy: >>Seen my post on this? Various stand-alone and software seqs have done it Don Cox: > A microphone lead with a big capacitor between the signal and ground > would cut out most of the high frequency signals and make it Have you seen my post on this? (Is there an echo in here?) Piezo contact is the way to go. Frequency response is not the issue here, rejection of other sound sources is. Costs a couple bucks to make one, resonant environs don't pose a problem for it, doesn't need circuitry. Take a studio engineer's word on this. > 1. to spend plenty of time getting the basic structure, interface and > data handling right. To try to do what Carl Sassenrath did with exec > - lay a solid foundation for the future Yep, that's it alrighty! > 2. to keep thinking "is this good for musicians"? This "musician" slant just isn't doing it for me. Mix three bands a night five nights a week for awhile, then play in an orchestra, hang out at a jazz club, and tell me that it is possible to get concordance on ANYTHING. I think what we mean to talk about here is developing a good model for the interface. Ergonomic, configurable (put that in! says Brian), and intuitive. Still somewhat nebulous - but consider using models people are already familiar with. This is a two-edged sword though. There might be a more appropriate faster-to-use model to use for data entry/viewing. Using an actual control surface in addition to mouse and keyboard(s) is a good option to have. Peavey has the best general purpose one out there: http://www.peavey.com/division/mi/keyboards/MIDIcontrollers/pc1600x.html Jog shuttle, sliders, buttons, footcontroller inputs, good display, very configurable, uses MIDI so it works with anything. No proprietary 'tude here! (This type of thing is getting bundled with hoity-toity audio systems elsewhere at way higher prices). Anyway it is worth looking at for ideas. > Sound cards with 6 or 8 simultaneous inputs will be standard soon, I > think. I see ACT is working on an Amiga one. They are; even in the cheap price ranges on the pc. Complete with the digital ports as well as the (sometimes) balanced audio jacks. >Something that might be relevant: the programmer of Movieshop (editing >program for VLab & Draco) has had a lot of trouble keeping the video >and audio in sync. Not really relevant for audio and midi. But if you introduce video/anim you pretty much have to start thinking separate harddrive paths for the data streams. (Shouln't be a big concern for us probably!) -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Sat, 25 Apr 1998 22:46:25 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2344 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2350 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Drummers Demand Decent Drive Date: Sun, 26 Apr 98 05:46:00 Message-ID: <3542BC21.936CA624@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id EAA18723for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 04:46:31 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA18338for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 06:28:13 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <35425A38.686AD94C@worldnet.att.net> Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 750663e668fc7023c7cbb91a3f3d107e Dan Oberley: >>It would be nice to have a "live" drummer setting the tempo for the >>sequencer. John Rice: >Good idea but the problem with using the bass drum as a timing source is >that in a majority of music, ( except maybe disco ), the bass drum doesn't >play a steady rhythm. Hey John, I get to say it again today: did you read my earlier post on this subject? ;) Given a tap-in/count-in, it is possible to interpolate, without 4-on-the-floor. As you say high-hat is better, or snare, or ride. But tracking the band as digital audio, and building a tempo map from that, is going to be way more accurate, for reasons I described before. But as a drummer you are probably more aware of that than most others. > What might work is that if you had a program that could have certain >minimum/maximum tempos for the song set up, what type of note you are >referencing One of the ways I described. You get the reference pulse from a count-off on the drum with the piezo. Then the program does sample-and-hold loop compared against absolute clock. I am also a big fan of groove templates (for quantizing midi tracks). To get then from drums in a band setting, and convert that to midi, is ultra! (here comes cakewalk again, they grumble) -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Sat, 25 Apr 1998 23:17:24 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2341 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2351 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Plugins and Tools ????? Date: Sun, 26 Apr 98 06:17:00 Message-ID: <3542C364.E0A4F327@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id FAA19088for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 05:17:30 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA18805for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 06:59:07 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: eadc626c28f4db0e1f7c2cc2c86e21f5 On Apr 23 greenboy (that's me!) wrote: >>I designed a few macrotools that I really used. There was that level >>of modularity. Then there was the Rules For Tools level, that actually --snippety-snip-snip-- (singing in the rain, just singing in the) tip-tap-- >>Which brings us around to the high-powered and lucrative marketplace of >>plug-ins for digital audio: real-time and computationally latent. Next >>installment? Rene' Schaap wrote: >Some Ideas. >A tool for the TB303 Emulator/Tracker. The club scene type hardware that's around now is eminently suited for people with no training in music. So this could be cool for the ease-of- use contingency. I do have some training; but I'd have fun with this, you betcha! >connection with a CD burn program like MasterISO and MakeCD. Doesn't Asimware have this covered real well? Maybe I am misunderstanding. You mean a shared interface on the "Midi Mangler" screen, right? See you on the funway! -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From baff@stc.net Sun, 26 Apr 1998 00:19:07 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2347 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2352 (database) From: Brian Fields To: greenboy Subject: Re: s16> tempo idea BRILLIANT! Date: Sat, 25 Apr 98 20:19:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id FAA19269for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 05:32:11 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA19035for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 07:13:46 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: fcfc2508d7511f29191949c436412076 Greetings greenboy, >troy silvey: >>>B&P can't properly quantize a "live" variable input. No sequencer I >>>know can do it. Does any one else? >greenboy: >>>Seen my post on this? >Don Cox: >Seen my post on this? Piezo contact is the way to go. Frequency response I concur. And the output is very easily adjustable and filterable. >> 2. to keep thinking "is this good for musicians"? >I really don't buy this "musician" slant anymore. I've been one much of my >life, met hundreds (thousands?), read interviews, etc, and have come to >the conclusion that such a social group - musicians - is the last place >to go when you want concordance. There is no standard model "musician" >that one would use as a template. I'm a musician and I disagree!..... (only kidding) But I think we were only speaking of this in terms of simplicity of interface were we not? >I think what we are talking about is designing interface models that >are ergonomic, flexible (Brian says configurable!), and intuitive. Amiga's are the configure kings. :) That's why this intuitve flexibility is paramount. But the trick is to do it in a simple way. i.e. make your own buttons, if you prefer text on a button a opposed to an icon, scroll gadgets to save space, font selection, screen-size & color. Kind of like u-h-h-h an Amiga.... But Pop-up menu programs already exist and I don't really have to go on to all the wonderful Aminet stuff that is already there to build upon. It's tough to describe this stuff without an hour long dissertation or naming examples. But I think y'all know what I mean. >Although that is practically as nebulous. Using models of operation >that people are already familiar with can be a blessing. But at times it >has also proven to be a curse, if a better way to do it is available. But don't you have to start with a core timeline sequencer program window with AREXX? Run on a public screen? What about shell commands? Built one at a time, to be integrated as time goes on into a whole? Just thinking out loud guys . . . . >> and audio in sync. It looks as though playing different kinds of data >> in sync without drifting is tricky, and needs special thought. and maybe a serial port midi/SMPTE/VTR box . . . . . . . . >> -- >> Don Cox >> doncox@enterprise.net >** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) -- Ta fer now, Brian baff@stc.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From kenny@bgnett.no 26 Apr 98 11:07:48 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2343 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2356 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: troy silvey Subject: Re: S16> On a critical note.... Date: Sun, 26 Apr 98 11:07:00 Message-ID: <251.420T2441T6674854@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id JAA22235for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 09:31:40 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA20880for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 11:11:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 21a74b72b6d510acd7a2388445e109c1 troy silvey wrote: >If he is still monitoring this group >him, please drop a note and let me know. Troy, last time I checked he was still subscribing. If you want more updated status send 'WHO studio16' in body text to majordomo@thule.no. - Kenny ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From doncox@enterprise.net Sun, 26 Apr 1998 14:38:18 +0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2351 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2357 (database) From: Don Cox To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Plugins and Tools ????? Date: Sun, 26 Apr 98 15:38:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id PAA28905for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 15:22:23 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA27043for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:03:57 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 3f294782d9b9b67bb31851c485f6075e On 26-Apr-98, greenboy wrote: >> connection with a CD burn program like MasterISO and MakeCD. > > Doesn't Asimware have this covered real well? Maybe I am misunderstanding. > You mean a shared interface on the "Midi Mangler" screen, right? To burn an audio CD you would need to have all your samples inside the Amiga - not out in the keyboard or MIDI module - then use a software mixer to write a WAV or CDDA file to Hard Disk. Then MasterISO will take it from there. OctaMED SS does this for MODs, but not for MIDI so far as I can see. You could also use a second computer with a sound card to record a total output if you needed to use external gear such as a hardware mixer or effects. It _might_ be possible to record and play on one sound card simultaneously ("full duplex"). I have MasterISO v2 here but I haven't had time to set it up yet. Version 1 worked well. -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From doncox@enterprise.net Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:52:06 +0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2350 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2358 (database) From: Don Cox To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Drummers Demand Decent Drive Date: Sun, 26 Apr 98 14:52:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id PAA28904for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 15:22:23 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA27039for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:03:52 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: f2141dcc2019b97abe2e94b481d905f7 On 26-Apr-98, greenboy wrote: > One of the ways I described. You get the reference pulse from a count-off > on the drum with the piezo. Then the program does sample-and-hold loop > compared against absolute clock. > But would you be able to use the piezo to get a tempo off a piano? I see piano solo MIDI files around where the bar lines have no relation to the original music - the pianist has just been recorded as she played and the MIDI file has a fixed tempo regardless of her changes from bar to bar. Our slogan: Help Stamp Out Click Tracks! -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Sun, 26 Apr 1998 10:15:54 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2358 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2359 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Drummers Demand Decent Drive Date: Sun, 26 Apr 98 17:15:01 Message-ID: <35435DBA.759018FD@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id QAA29929for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:16:08 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA27869for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:57:40 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: ea5f160579edb20927185979b8468620 Don Cox wrote: > But would you be able to use the piezo to get a tempo off a piano? Contact piezos work on just about anything. You can go down to RadioShack and buy a piezo doorbell buzzer or whatever and build one for a few bucks. It is what is in most drumpads, Barcus Berry pickups etc. > I see piano solo MIDI files around where the bar lines have no > relation to the original music - the pianist has just been recorded > as she played and the MIDI file has a fixed tempo regardless of her > changes from bar to bar. Yeah, pretty darn lazy of 'em not to edit. But its a hard job with most packages. A certain seq with "c" and "w" in its name allows you to drag barlines around in this type of file, and will construct the proper tempo map as well. > Our slogan: Help Stamp Out Click Tracks! Oh no. "Classic" sequencing requires the metronome. The club scene and tools like Roland's Groove Approved stuff and EMu's Orbit make great use of the synth-band (early 80's and house, tecno, etc) lock step. The pulse may never vary in 8 minutes in some, but they get a hellacious groove, playing with ADSR relationships. When the attack is long, that gives the appearance of shifting that track back some milleseconds, etc. Live knob-twisting on resonant filters while a pattern is played back is very dub-like! Beginning players tend to need absolute quantization and pulse anyway. They can not strike keys, pads, strings at the appropriate moments to push a beat, or fall back into a relaxed groove etc. I notice that noone is talking about clock resolution here. -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From baff@stc.net Sun, 26 Apr 1998 11:19:15 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2358 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2360 (database) From: Brian Fields To: Don Cox Subject: Re: S16> Drummers Demand Decent Drive Date: Sun, 26 Apr 98 07:19:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id QAA00203for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:31:21 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA28223for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:12:57 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: d246f965c0aaf269df10b0ea41255c72 Greetings Don Cox ; >On 26-Apr-98, greenboy wrote: >> One of the ways I described. You get the reference pulse from a >count-off >> on the drum with the piezo. Then the program does sample-and-hold >loop >> compared against absolute clock. >But would you be able to use the piezo to get a tempo off a piano? >I see piano solo MIDI files around where the bar lines have no >relation to the original music - the pianist has just been recorded >as she played and the MIDI file has a fixed tempo regardless of her >changes from bar to bar. >Our slogan: Help Stamp Out Click Tracks! -- >Don Cox >doncox@enterprise.net Understand though that there has to be some sort of reference here. Computer interpretation of tempo is nothing more than electrical data (serial port). What I mean is that there would need to be some kind of flow reference for the computer to do a compare with. On the ground floor, this can only be adjusted *after* the initial input. Then accompanied with other instruments later. Whether the input be piano, drums, or horseshoes.. If there was someone tapping as the piano was being played and could exactly mirror the tempo of the pianist. That could be used as a tempo reference. Maybe you could find a piano player with false teeth and intall a piezo so he could click the tempo as he played. Sounds silly yes but on a real piano a pianist uses their feet for the pedals. If one was just using a MIDI keyboard foot tapping could suffice to be adjusted later. >** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) -- Ta fer now, Brian baff@stc.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Sun, 26 Apr 1998 10:33:03 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2357 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2361 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> CD burning from the Mangler Date: Sun, 26 Apr 98 17:33:00 Message-ID: <354361BF.36D15144@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id QAA00224for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:32:48 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA28268for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:14:46 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 7a1e3fb5da9284b39c1b164be2184b8b Rene' (I believe): >>> connection with a CD burn program like MasterISO and MakeCD. Me (greenboy): >>Doesn't Asimware have this covered real well? Maybe I misunderstand. >>You mean a shared interface on the "Midi Mangler" screen, right? Don Cox wrote: > To burn an audio CD you would need to have all your samples inside the > Amiga - not out in the keyboard or MIDI module - then use a software > mixer to write a WAV or CDDA file to Hard Disk. Then MasterISO will > take it from there. Me greenboy - uggh - say this thing: Here where it helps to examine the architecture of integrated pro packages on other platforms, {Peter Pepper}. The concepts have simply never appeared on the Amiga, so many simply are not going to understand what the issues are, how far the solutions have come, and what still needs to be done in the state of sequencing/DA. You have the gist of it, but virtual tracks (those played back by midi modules) really don't need to be on the Amiga til final mastering to CD. Once you have a mix achieved, stored it on the Amiga for all the digital audio, and the midi continous-controller (or sys-ex) data necessary for the external gear, you record the playback of said external gear to two more digaudio tracks. Then you prepare a list of song order, length between songs, where markers appear on the CD, crossfades, and the like. Should support multi-session CD writing. -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Sun, 26 Apr 1998 11:05:59 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2360 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2362 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Drummers Demand Decent Drive Date: Sun, 26 Apr 98 18:05:01 Message-ID: <35436977.85166897@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA00795for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:06:12 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA29016for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:47:47 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 0043fcbd51d976c0c5ce47bf46428e90 Don Cox: >>But would you be able to use the piezo to get a tempo off a piano? Brian Fields: >If there was someone tapping as the piano was being played and could >exactly mirror the tempo of the pianist. That could be used as a tempo >reference. And has been done in hardware and software seqs. But taptime algorithms need to have a 2 beat lag. Just like pitch to midi convertors have a lagtime (irrespective of processor overhead) because they need to sample an entire waveform before passing judgement. Low notes have a longer lagtime because the waveform is longer on the timescale. To sample tempo (and decide what it represents) requires at least two pulses from the sound source, which is then compared against the absolute clock. But good ones are doing sample-and-hold loop comparisons with the previous 2 (or more) pulses to minimize the incidence of "shakiness". Somewhat like what goes on when SMPTE machine control is being applied as a servo loop for tape machines. >If one was just using a MIDI keyboard foot tapping could suffice to be >adjusted later. Or {again}, the digital audio track of the performance could generate the tempo map automatically, with just one parameter (first barline) or two (meter, if not in 4/4) supplied by user. -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Sun, 26 Apr 1998 11:23:49 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2352 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2363 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: s16> Mangler Interface Customization Date: Sun, 26 Apr 98 18:23:00 Message-ID: <35436DA5.2E214D0D@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA01177for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:23:41 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA29497for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:05:35 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 7121a1d19d32f2a6b5232613e5bccc8b Brian Fields wrote: >Amiga's are the configure kings. :) But the trick is to do it in a simple >way. i.e. make your own buttons, if you prefer text on a button a opposed >to an icon, scroll gadgets to save space, font selection, screen-size & >color. Bigger MUI progs have this in spades. DOpus too. Also important: to ship with, and be able to exchange "gadget sets" (the buttonage, et al) and user-profiles (the overall environment, what windows are open at what size and location, the state of the display model etc). This user-profile can be selected (even during first install from the "Midi Mangler" CD so as to match the user's needs until one is comfortable with customising. These defaults can always be reselected. Can also be saved and loaded on a per-song basis. Mangler Man, -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Sun, 26 Apr 1998 11:25:47 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2364 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio 16 GuestList Subject: S16> Mangler Timing Accuracy Date: Sun, 26 Apr 98 18:25:00 Message-ID: <35436E1B.746DF659@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA01214for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:25:34 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA29582for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:07:34 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: f79a50cbb67d8f74b76a0b4c45be6cd4 Brian Fields: >But don't you have to start with a core timeline sequencer program window >with AREXX? Run on a public screen? What about shell commands? Built one >at a time, to be integrated as time goes on into a whole? Arexx is not suitable for runtime module communication. Nor is any inter- preted script language. The overhaed is too much for the incredible timing demands music requires in recording and playback. It is suitable for macros and nonrealtime processing/manipulation of data. > and maybe a serial port midi/SMPTE/VTR box . . . . . . . . And if we are smart we will use existing hardware if possible. All timing/ synchronization/multi-midiport boxes on the market coast much to develop, are sold in many price ranges and do the job very well. Code is available to build drivers for them, I'll betcha. -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From baff@stc.net Sun, 26 Apr 1998 12:27:12 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2362 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2365 (database) From: Brian Fields To: greenboy Subject: Re: S16> Drummers Demand Decent Drive Date: Sun, 26 Apr 98 08:27:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA01483for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:39:04 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA29814for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:20:55 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: d3779eedf5629af37814faf5c3738f50 Greetings greenboy ; >Don Cox: >>>But would you be able to use the piezo to get a tempo off a piano? >Brian Fields: >>If there was someone tapping as the piano was being played and could >>exactly mirror the tempo of the pianist. That could be used as a tempo >>reference. >And has been done in hardware and software seqs. But taptime algorithms >need to have a 2 beat lag. >Just like pitch to midi convertors have a >lagtime (irrespective of processor overhead) because they need to sample >an entire waveform before passing judgement. >Low notes have a longer >lagtime because the waveform is longer on the timescale. The reason pitch to midi converters don't sample fast enough is because of the magnetic pickups on the instrument itself and the slower vibrations of the lower strings as I understand it. The magnetic field takes time to collapse in order to generate the pulses needed for sampling. Other solutions have been and are being tried (i.e. photoleds) but haven't seemed to have gotten up to speed with the Leo Fender 1950's technology. Yes this *is* hardware not software. At MIDI's 31.25 kHz, if it could get the data faster the computer processing speed could easily handle it. >>If one was just using a MIDI keyboard foot tapping could suffice to be >>adjusted later. >Or {again}, the digital audio track of the performance could generate >the tempo map automatically, with just one parameter (first barline) or >two (meter, if not in 4/4) supplied by user. Then we're talking non-interactive again as in the slowing down or speeding up of the performance. I guess I feel that this stuff has to be either hardware or edited after the recording. >-- greenboy -- Ta fer now, Brian baff@stc.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Sun, 26 Apr 1998 12:28:04 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2365 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2366 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Pitch recognition and Tap-time Date: Sun, 26 Apr 98 19:28:00 Message-ID: <35437CB4.18A26B08@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA02380for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:28:10 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA30645for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 20:09:51 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: ffa0a62bcde777aa9b348bca23c0d027 >>Just like pitch to midi convertors have a lagtime (irrespective of >>processor overhead) because they need to sample an entire waveform before >>passing judgement. Low notes have a longer lagtime because the waveform Brian Fields wrote: >The reason pitch to midi converters don't sample fast enough is because of >the magnetic pickups on the instrument itself and the slower vibrations of >the lower strings Slower vibrations ~ longer cycle ~ more time for one vibration. Besides needing that entire cycle to get a fix on what frequency is being represented, it needs to be able to distinguish between the fundamental, and overtones of it which may actually comprise a larger part of the signal than the fundamental itself. Pre-filtering helps but does not entirely alleviate "mis-triggering" because of the FFT dispersion. This varies on different instruments in different ranges. But near-pure sine waves (some organ sounds), the flute when played in an "unbreathy" style, translate very accurately. Unfortunately, the gestural "inaccuracies" between note on all instruments but keyboards also cause mistriggering. >as I understand it. The magnetic field takes time to collapse in order >to generate the pulses needed for sampling. Other solutions have been >and are being tried (i.e. photoleds) but haven't seemed to have gotten up >to speed with the Leo Fender 1950's technology. Using voice, sax, gtr, etc, in conjunction with tailored piezos does not depend on wound magnetic-coil pickups or guitar tech, and has a response that is perceived as instantaneous for all practical purposes. IVL's Pitchrider, similar devices by Roland, Korg, Fairlight - none are dependent on guitar tech. >>>If one was just using a MIDI keyboard foot tapping could suffice to be >>>adjusted later. >>Or {again}, the digital audio track of the performance could generate >>the tempo map automatically, with just one parameter (first barline) or >>two (meter, if not in 4/4) supplied by user. >Then we're talking non-interactive again as in the slowing down or >speeding up of the performance. I guess I feel that this stuff has to be >either hardware or edited after the recording. No, the real time approach works well, with a few caveats. Abrupt tempo/meter changes, inaccurate players (you know, the ones who are hard to groove with because of hiccups or relaxation problems) will throw the tempo-sensing into sporadicicsm or worse. But the "averaging" of sample- and-hold comparison can actually _contribute_ to a better track, while still retaining the intentions of the players/composer. -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From baff@stc.net Sun, 26 Apr 1998 15:33:31 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2363 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2367 (database) From: Brian Fields To: greenboy Subject: Re: s16> Mangler Interface Customization Date: Sun, 26 Apr 98 11:33:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id UAA05524for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 20:45:54 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA32595for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:27:21 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 43a9de1cb0b18b120a6e4cef3f25667d Greetings greenboy ; >Brian Fields wrote: >>Amiga's are the configure kings. :) But the trick is to do it in a simple >>way. i.e. make your own buttons, if you prefer text on a button a opposed >>to an icon, scroll gadgets to save space, font selection, screen-size & >>color. >Bigger MUI progs have this in spades. DOpus too. Also important: to ship Class Act is faster than MUI as long as you mentioned a program name. Both are great though. And all of these are food for thought. >size and location, the state of the display model etc). This user-profile >can be selected (even during first install from the "Midi Mangler" CD so >as to match the user's needs until one is comfortable with customising. >These defaults can always be reselected. Yes sireee! -- Ta fer now, Brian baff@stc.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From baff@stc.net Sun, 26 Apr 1998 15:38:48 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2364 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2368 (database) From: Brian Fields To: greenboy Subject: Re: S16> Mangler Timing Accuracy Date: Sun, 26 Apr 98 11:38:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id UAA05661for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 20:50:46 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA32721for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:32:34 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 7aba2a924e852c63aa56f604632461ab Greetings greenboy ; >Brian Fields: >>But don't you have to start with a core timeline sequencer program window >>with AREXX? Run on a public screen? What about shell commands? Built one >>at a time, to be integrated as time goes on into a whole? >Arexx is not suitable for runtime module communication. Nor is any inter- Yes but it still needs to be built in. I think you've already said this. No lack of concordance here..... :) >> and maybe a serial port midi/SMPTE/VTR box . . . . . . . . >And if we are smart we will use existing hardware if possible. All timing/ >synchronization/multi-midiport boxes on the market coast much to develop, >are sold in many price ranges and do the job very well. Code is available >to build drivers for them, I'll betcha. Well, opto-isolators are a good idea so as not to blow out the port. And you'd also need a MIDI DIN plug. So IMHO some kind of box would be a practical idea. >-- greenboy -- Ta fer now, Brian baff@stc.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From baff@stc.net Sun, 26 Apr 1998 15:48:45 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2366 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2369 (database) From: Brian Fields To: greenboy Subject: Re: S16> Pitch recognition and Tap-time Date: Sun, 26 Apr 98 11:48:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA05898for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 21:00:33 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA00158for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:42:31 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 37cd8effdddc26424fc7ec2d2b047ea3 Greetings greenboy ; >Brian Fields wrote: >>The reason pitch to midi converters don't sample fast enough is because of >>the magnetic pickups on the instrument itself and the slower vibrations of >>the lower strings >Slower vibrations ~ longer cycle ~ more time for one vibration. Besides >needing that entire cycle to get a fix on what frequency is being >represented, it needs to be able to distinguish between the fundamental, >and overtones of it which may actually comprise a larger part of the >signal than the fundamental itself. Yes but also the closer you can get to the bridge, and the more sensitive you can read the shorter vibrations the faster the data can be collected. There are a host of hurdles to overcome with a vibrating string. as you also describe in more detail. But to get back to the interactive click track issue, there are ways to get around that if you are using more instruments than the physical stringed instruments. So there are workarounds. >Using voice, sax, gtr, etc, in conjunction with tailored piezos does not >depend on wound magnetic-coil pickups or guitar tech, and has a response >that is perceived as instantaneous for all practical purposes. IVL's >Pitchrider, similar devices by Roland, Korg, Fairlight - none are dependent >on guitar tech. Yup. >>Then we're talking non-interactive again as in the slowing down or >>speeding up of the performance. I guess I feel that this stuff has to be >>either hardware or edited after the recording. >No, the real time approach works well, with a few caveats. Abrupt >tempo/meter changes, inaccurate players (you know, the ones who are hard >to groove with because of hiccups or relaxation problems) will throw the >tempo-sensing into sporadicicsm or worse. But the "averaging" of sample- >and-hold comparison can actually _contribute_ to a better track, while >still retaining the intentions of the players/composer. Back to a click track? That's what started this. Hey Don! Hey Don! greenboy's talkin about clicktracks again.... :) >-- greenboy -- Ta fer now, Brian baff@stc.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Sun, 26 Apr 1998 15:57:28 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2368 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2370 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Mangler Timing Accuracy Date: Sun, 26 Apr 98 22:57:00 Message-ID: <3543ADC8.1D5C0C3E@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA07504for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 21:58:09 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA00868for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 23:39:14 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: f10262c46ed431cfae9931e78400c602 >>>But don't you have to start with a core timeline sequencer program window >>>with AREXX? Run on a public screen? What about shell commands? Built one >>>at a time, to be integrated as time goes on into a whole? >>Arexx is not suitable for runtime module communication. Nor is any inter- Brian Fields wrote: > Yes but it still needs to be built in. I think you've already said this. > No lack of concordance here..... :) Abso-honkin-lutely, ground-level. I've seen how programs that don't have all possible functions available via ARexx suffer later, when trying to add 'em. 'Course, you actually got to know what those functions need to be in the first place... >>> and maybe a serial port midi/SMPTE/VTR box . . . . . . . . >>And if we are smart we will use existing hardware if possible. All timing/ >>synchronization/multi-midiport boxes on the market cost much to develop, >>are sold in many price ranges and do the job very well. Code is available >>to build drivers for them, I'll betcha. >Well, opto-isolators are a good idea so as not to blow out the port. And >you'd also need a MIDI DIN plug. So IMHO some kind of box would be a >practical idea. I don't know if we are on the same dancefloor here, Brian. What I am saying is that it is easier to use Mark Of The Unicorn's, or Opcode's, or whoever's Synchronizer/midiport product. They come with various features (VTC as well as streamed timecode FI) in several price ranges. Wedding the two devices is cost-effective since synchronization issues exist in midi as well as SMPTE. And often sync needs go in or out the midi ports anyway. See midi spec for MTC (midi time code), which is widely supported, and closely related to SMPTE. Multiple midiports are good for more than the obvious ability to use more synths, samplers, effects processors effectively. Each midi port is handling a relatively-slow serial data-stream. So timing is not as good when 16 channels of dense midi is being pushed, as when only 8 channels are on that port. After all: what good is it to have a well-designed program on a fast CPU, if timing-critical data-input and output is not always possible? MTC itself is usually uses a dedicated midi port, as it carries absolute clock, and is a fairly dense stream. Any use of performance-expressive device, such as pitchbend, modwheel, or other CC event can instantly effect cued event output. A midi wind controller can plug a port faster than you can say trombone. hasta la presto! --greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:42:35 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2369 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2371 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Tap-time CONDUCTOR Date: Sun, 26 Apr 98 23:42:00 Message-ID: <3543B85B.88013600@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id WAA08997for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:42:38 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA01523for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 00:24:30 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 359075e81ea7171fa4f3539fc31a5a90 Brian Fields wrote: >But to get back to the interactive click track issue, there are ways to >get around that if you are using more instruments than the physical >stringed instruments. So there are workarounds. Uhh, Brian...what else is in that coffee? (: Other than drums/percussion, a plucked-string instrument has the most unequivocal attack characteristic - especially suitable for driving a CONDUCTOR feature. Are you gonna make me sorry I tried to draw analogies with pitch recognition and servo-SMPTE? >>>Then we're talking non-interactive again as in the slowing down or >>>speeding up of the performance. I guess I feel that this stuff has to be >>>either hardware or edited after the recording. >>No, the real time approach works well, with a few caveats. Abrupt >>tempo/meter changes, inaccurate players (you know, the ones who are hard >>to groove with because of hiccups or relaxation problems) will throw the >>tempo-sensing into sporadicicsm or worse. But the "averaging" of sample- >>and-hold comparison can actually _contribute_ to a better track, while >>still retaining the intentions of the players/composer. >Back to a click track? That's what started this. Hey Don! Hey Don! >greenboy's talkin about clicktracks again.... :) No I am talking describing one _alternative_ to a click track. I am talking about a tap-time feature driven by fingering a pad, clicking a key, or playing a drum, bass or gtr with a piezo-pickup. This CONDUCTOR feature in MidiMangler has limitations: Bad conductor, bad timing. Not really able to deal with non-referenced abrupt meter/tempo changes. But its merit is that it can operate reliably with a straight 1-2-3-4 type input through a song, and actually smooth the unwanted disturbances - early in the development cycle. Later it can become algoritmically capable of dealing with metrical complexities and irregularities perhaps. But whoever designs the algoritm has to understand the issues first, what has already been achieved toward these ends, and what remains to be done. It will be cool to have, someday. I'll settle for (1) a tap-time CONDUCTOR, (2) easy barline dragging with automatic meter/tempo mapping, and (3) ability to analyze a monophonic DA track and interpolate a tempo map and construct groove templates from sections of said DA track. (But keep the click track too, I want to play with vintage analog synthband resonant filter grooves!) -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From baff@stc.net Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:42:21 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2370 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2372 (database) From: Brian Fields To: greenboy Subject: Re: S16> Mangler Timing Accuracy Date: Sun, 26 Apr 98 13:42:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id WAA09155for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:54:21 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA01839for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 00:36:06 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id AAA01834 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 432cbb89860c51d2b39df05c01aa7063 Greetings greenboy ; >>And if we are smart we will use existing hardware if possible. All timing/ >>synchronization/multi-midiport boxes on the market cost much to develop, >>are sold in many price ranges and do the job very well. Code is available >>to build drivers for them, I'll betcha. Well of course. But weren't we talking about interactive tempo timelines? >I don't know if we are on the same dancefloor here, Brian. What I am >saying is that it is easier to use Mark Of The Unicorn's, or Opcode's, or >whoever's Synchronizer/midiport product. They come with various features >(VTC as well as streamed timecode FI) in several price ranges. What's FI? I'm not up on my acronyms. duh . . .Is it Foot Iput? :) >exist in midi as well as SMPTE. And often sync needs go in or out the midi >ports anyway. See midi spec for MTC (midi time code), which is widely >supported, and closely related to SMPTE. Been it, done it, had it, bought the T-shirt. Like I say, I had to decide whether to be a full time engineer or a musician. Did the latter. I'm only dabbling in the stuff now. (dabble-dabble). My only point on the sµbject that Don brought up about the tempo fluctuation is that it is not something that can be done without a hardware trigger device or without being edited in after the recording. That's all. Indeed we should be talking about the software. Are we on the same wavelength? :) >After all: what good is it to have a well-designed program on a fast CPU, if >timing-critical data-input and output is not always possible? MTC itself is >usually uses a dedicated midi port, as it carries absolute clock, and is a >fairly dense stream. Any use of performance-expressive device, such as >pitchbend, modwheel, or other CC event can instantly effect cued event >output. Yes and anyone with three hands can do it easily while playing a piano. But seriously, the workarounds are there via a foot pedal and a MIDI keyboard. Yes the drivers can be built of course. >--greenboy -- Datawaving goodbye now, Brian baff@stc.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From baff@stc.net Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:03:56 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2371 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2373 (database) From: Brian Fields To: greenboy Subject: Re: S16> Tap-time CONDUCTOR Date: Sun, 26 Apr 98 15:03:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id AAA10691for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 00:15:55 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA03280for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 01:57:39 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 10ffa313639de924ae61f8ef0b9ef4b2 Greetings greenboy ; >Brian Fields wrote: >>But to get back to the interactive click track issue, there are ways to >>get around that if you are using more instruments than the physical >>stringed instruments. So there are workarounds. >Uhh, Brian...what else is in that coffee? (: Other than drums/percussion, a >plucked-string instrument has the most unequivocal attack characteristic - >especially suitable for driving a CONDUCTOR feature. Are you gonna make me >sorry I tried to draw analogies with pitch recognition and servo-SMPTE? Fine, then build you whatchmacallit onto a guitar and go for it. No matter what the trigger is the program doesn't differentiate a 5 volt pulse from a string from a 5 volt pulse from a drum. So the program doesn't care what the trigger is as long as it sees 5 vots on the serial. Right? The pulse has to be generated somehow by the user to vary the tempo unless they want to go back to a click track. There could easily be a foot pedal designed to interrupt the click track, do the timing by the foot activator on the other pedal,then punch the interrupt pedal again to engage the original click track. Whatever the user wants want to do. >>>>Then we're talking non-interactive again as in the slowing down or >>>>speeding up of the performance. I guess I feel that this stuff has to be >>>>either hardware or edited after the recording. >No I am talking describing one _alternative_ to a click track. I am talking >about a tap-time feature driven by fingering a pad, clicking a key, or >playing a drum, bass or gtr with a piezo-pickup. This CONDUCTOR feature in >MidiMangler has limitations: Bad conductor, bad timing. Not really able to >deal with non-referenced abrupt meter/tempo changes. Yes, but I think the difference here, is that the limitations of the physical conductor on the instrument have nothing to do with the software driver. All the driver is looking for here is a serial MIDI pulse of some kind. The pickups are another issue altogether. A click track is a click track, no matter if it fluctuates to the musician's desire or not. Or if the musician likes he can use the solid click in time at 120bps. But it still defines the general tempo of the music timeline. SMPTE added afterwards doesn't care about the music timeline, it's going to be 30fps or dropframe or whatever. Clearly defined by seconds onn the timeline. >It will be cool to have, someday. I'll settle for (1) a tap-time CONDUCTOR, >(2) easy barline dragging with automatic meter/tempo mapping, and >(3) ability to analyze a monophonic DA track and interpolate a tempo map >and construct groove templates from sections of said DA track. >(But keep the click track too, I want to play with vintage analog synthband >resonant filter grooves!) The more features the better. Who can disagree? >-- greenboy -- Ta fer now, Brian baff@stc.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From mardean@mcn.net Sun, 26 Apr 1998 20:43:13 -1000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2374 (database) From: Marcia McCarry To: studio16 Subject: Re: Amiga!! Date: Mon, 27 Apr 98 07:43:00 Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19980426123057.216f5f02@mcn.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id DAA14442for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 03:57:28 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA08071for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 05:38:58 +0200 X-Sender: mardean@mcn.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: ce0a019f5e193a02638216c158264c6c At 06:32 AM 4/25/98 -0500, you wrote: >On 24-Apr-98, Test wrote: >>I'm writing this (rambling) because I want to tell someone who will listen, >>and where I live, everyone is PC or nothing, so this list is the only place >>for me to turn to. > >>I've owned an Amiga for 11 years, and this past year has been the most Amiga >>productive year ever. I have been drawn closer to the Amiga then I ever have >>before. Maybe it's because of the advent of some good internet software, but >>what ever it is.... I love it more than ever. > >>For someone to give up on the Amiga now, after all it's been through, would >be >>silly. AAAAYMENN! Wherever you go with it, I'd like to know. I'm also looking for a way to help make things happen for the better in the Amiga world. It doesn't deserve to die! Dean Anderson ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From turk@gulftel.com Mon, 27 Apr 1998 00:28:26 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2252 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2375 (database) From: CMM To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Modern Graphic Card Support Date: Mon, 27 Apr 98 07:28:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id FAA15786for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 05:29:51 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA09347for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 07:11:33 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview3 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: CMM MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 6db415b4d87ac54f8e1a953835408220 Bars & Pipes and Studio 16 both run perfectly on my PicassoII. There are no problems whatsoever. regards, 23-Apr-98, greenboy wrote: > Don Cox: >>> What is wrong with B&P? >>> 1. Doesn't work properly on graphics cards > > Gord Clink: >> I use Bars&Pipes on a PicassoII board running Picasso96 software and have >> no problem with it at all.... This is the first I've heard of it not >> running properly. I also load Studio16 onto the same screen as well with >> no problems.... 16 colors, 8bit..... > > B&P ToolTypes and mode promotion allow B&P to run on a card in a primitive > kludgey fashion. But like many programs of its time the developers didn't > take the time to use systemwide support that had become available: ie, > the screenmode requester. A modern music prog should be able to run 16, > even 24-bits deep on a properly equipped system, and actually make good > use of the additional color that is available. > > Font sensitivity with good font-smoothing is also necessary to support > different screen resolutions effectively. I am hoping we will get modern > PS/True-type support in the Amiga OS. > > -- greenboy > > ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) regards ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Sun, 26 Apr 1998 23:43:12 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2375 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2376 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Modern Graphic Card Support Date: Mon, 27 Apr 98 06:43:00 Message-ID: <35441AF0.55CC8970@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id FAA16001for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 05:43:06 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA09697for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 07:25:01 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 8ee4bcee5eb9613f5211dff86d8ad4c1 CMM wrote: > Bars & Pipes and Studio 16 both run perfectly on my > PicassoII. There are no problems whatsoever. Please: give details of settings; I understand some have had trouble using CGX with Studio16. -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From doncox@enterprise.net Sun, 26 Apr 1998 20:52:31 +0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2362 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2377 (database) From: Don Cox To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Drummers Demand Decent Drive Date: Sun, 26 Apr 98 21:52:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id IAA20719for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 08:40:21 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA12073for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:21:58 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: d91cd0069b44197bebc747ca681d475e On 26-Apr-98, greenboy wrote: > To sample tempo (and decide what it represents) requires at least two > pulses from the sound source, which is then compared against the > absolute clock. But good ones are doing sample-and-hold loop comparisons > with the previous 2 (or more) pulses to minimize the incidence of > "shakiness". Somewhat like what goes on when SMPTE machine control is > being applied as a servo loop for tape machines. > Or {again}, the digital audio track of the performance could generate > the tempo map automatically, with just one parameter (first barline) or > two (meter, if not in 4/4) supplied by user. > I wonder how human beings pick up a tempo and play together? Cheers -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Mon, 27 Apr 1998 08:36:20 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2377 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2378 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Drummers Demand Decent Drive Date: Mon, 27 Apr 98 15:36:00 Message-ID: <354497E4.E02C8CEC@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id OAA01738for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 14:40:35 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA16560for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 16:18:14 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 447a74a17fd8befa87f1fc12bd27c38d Don Cox wrote: > I wonder how human beings pick up a tempo and play together? In a band someone might be the reference point at the start of the song, many times the drummer, but often could be the singer, bassist, depending on content and prefs. Once things are going on, it seems to be a common "agreement" with emphasis toward the rhythm section. And the skill level of the participants. A good bass guitarist, FI, might be changing his playing style quite a bit, trying to send some time-sense to an inexperienced drummer, and keep things gelled. Playing with an experienced drummer is a joy. Then it seems to be a cooperative environment that allows other musical elements to take precedent. A groove makes all else possible in beat- oriented music. The experience of playing in a non-conducted band is an experience worth having! One can build an incredible awareness that is really not communicable to the inexperienced. And there is NOTHING like cooking! As an aside, to something you have said more than once: I think probably every succesful music sequencer out there is written by a team that has extensive combined musical backgrounds. Complex specialist software seems to demand people who can DO the thing and also possess programming skills. So to blame poor interface design on a non-musician approach probably is not accurate. Musical instruments, and musical communication tools like notation, theory, etc have been evolving forever. And yet the interface of an instrument that has "depth" (guitar as opposed to kazoo) requires much training and discipline to operate. Sequencer and computer interfaces are an infant form; as power increases the evolution of these interfaces becomes assured. But the depth of any truly musical sequencer will always require training and discipline from the user. And patience will probably always have its rewards. -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From turk@gulftel.com Mon, 27 Apr 1998 14:05:47 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2376 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2379 (database) From: CMM To: studio16 Subject: Re[2]: S16> Modern Graphic Card Support Date: Mon, 27 Apr 98 21:05:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id TAA08458for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 19:09:19 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA22171for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 20:49:04 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview3 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: CMM MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 1cb160fa5a2f2d2f3a0082ddf52e65f7 On 26-Apr-98, greenboy wrote: > CMM wrote: >> Bars & Pipes and Studio 16 both run perfectly on my >> PicassoII. There are no problems whatsoever. > > Please: give details of settings; I understand some have had trouble > using CGX with Studio16. I don't know what details I could that would be of any help. However I use NewMode which is a screen promotion utility available on Aminet. It is the best I've seen and have used it for years. I run Studio 16 on an 800 x 600 8 bit screen with no problems, and I can also run B&P on a cybergfx 8 bit screen of various sizes with no problems like 640 x 400. When the apps are run....initially NewMode will pop up and ask if you want to promote the screen. You have several options including This Time, Use, or Save. Not much to it really. Also, NewMode has many other options like custom sizes etc. regards, > > -- greenboy > > ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) regards ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Mon, 27 Apr 1998 14:27:31 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2379 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2380 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Modern Graphic Card Support Date: Mon, 27 Apr 98 21:27:00 Message-ID: <3544EA33.5DE85AEB@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id UAA11079for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 20:29:12 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA24335for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:09:29 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: b72c2385df9d3c3f5c5dfcf44c14a9b6 CMM wrote: >>> Bars & Pipes and Studio 16 both run perfectly on my >>> PicassoII. There are no problems whatsoever. greenboy: >> Please: give details of settings; I understand some have had trouble >> using CGX with Studio16. CMM wrote: > I don't know what details I could that would be of any help. What version of CGX2 or 3? What are your envars (found in env:), and what Tooltypes are in PicassoMonitor (in Devs:monitors)? -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From doncox@enterprise.net Mon, 27 Apr 1998 19:28:26 +0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2378 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2382 (database) From: Don Cox To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Drummers Demand Decent Drive Date: Mon, 27 Apr 98 20:28:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id WAA13850for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:12:22 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA26031for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 23:52:25 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 83926ff60bbd0656842a3f7eab38f272 Hello greenboy On 27-Apr-98, greenboy wrote: > Don Cox wrote: >> I wonder how human beings pick up a tempo and play together? > > In a band someone might be the reference point at the start of the song, > many times the drummer, but often could be the singer, bassist, depending > on content and prefs. Once things are going on, it seems to be a common > "agreement" with emphasis toward the rhythm section. And the skill level > of the participants. This is good stuff, but what I really meant was what is going on in the brain when you follow a beat. It's the same kind of problem as how birds keep together in a flock. > Sequencer and computer interfaces are an infant form; as power increases > the evolution of these interfaces becomes assured. But the depth of any > truly musical sequencer will always require training and discipline from > the user. And patience will probably always have its rewards. Now here you are dealing with a basic problem of all computer (and tool) usage. Perhaps if the adverts didn't keep telling people that the software made everything easy, they wouldn't sell so many copies to disappointed customers. Eugene Smith ran some evening classes called "Photography Made Difficult". Compared to a computer, what could be simpler than a drum, or a pencil. Yet they are not at all easy to use well. -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From turk@gulftel.com Mon, 27 Apr 1998 19:01:32 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2380 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2383 (database) From: CMM To: studio16 Subject: Re[2]: S16> Modern Graphic Card Support Date: Tue, 28 Apr 98 02:01:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id AAA16130for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 00:04:18 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA27166for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 01:44:43 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview3 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: CMM MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: fe042b6ddd28146de2f812c5a30982db On 27-Apr-98, greenboy wrote: > CMM wrote: >>>> Bars & Pipes and Studio 16 both run perfectly on my >>>> PicassoII. There are no problems whatsoever. > greenboy: >>> Please: give details of settings; I understand some have had trouble >>> using CGX with Studio16. > CMM wrote: >> I don't know what details I could that would be of any help. > > What version of CGX2 or 3? What are your envars (found in env:), and what > Tooltypes are in PicassoMonitor (in Devs:monitors)? > I use CGFX 2.25 the last update. I've tried CGFX 3 but there is a know problem with some PicassoII boards. There is pixel displacement on certain fonts and they look very fuzzy. Not all fonts but many of them. The WB fonts look great, but fonts in web browsers, newsreaders look terrible. Env-Archive Alertmenu 1 Bootlogo 1 Cpup2c 1 Hide15bit 1 Hireescrsr 1 Keepamigavideo 1 Nochipscreen 1 Nopassthrough 1 PicassoMonitor 13 Plane2fast 1 Savemen 1 the picasso monitor in Env-Archive is 35Khz There are no tool types set on the Picasso icon in devs monitors. As I said very little to provide to help anyone. regards, > -- greenboy > > ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) regards ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Mon, 27 Apr 1998 18:50:42 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2382 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2384 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Drummers Demand Decent Drive Date: Tue, 28 Apr 98 01:50:00 Message-ID: <354527E2.D45E90A4@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id AAA16965for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 00:51:56 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA28098for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 02:32:36 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 400753183af05dcaf2aca068ac49466e Don Cox: >>> I wonder how human beings pick up a tempo and play together? greenboy: >>--snip--it seems to be a common "agreement" with emphasis toward the >>rhythm section. And the skill level of the participants.--snip-- Don Cox: >This is good stuff, but what I really meant was what is going on in >the brain when you follow a beat. It's the same kind of problem as how >birds keep together in a flock. I don't know that its all that heuristic. Its more like driving a car in traffic: when you have some bad drivers out there's a clump up ahead; then over to your side there's a zoom-and-gater; later, got to watch out because of the one who _never_ looks in the rear-view before pulling a lane change. Well, you're paying attention because things aren't flowing smoothly, and the pleasure of driving we Americans believe in is subdued. When the freeway has a flow, you can let some of that be handled at the subconcious level, and more of your attention is available to notice the scenery that is going by, or the warm scent of blooming trees, or you are thinking about the reception at your destination. Tempo itself is not that tough for a decent group to maintain - when it gets eerie (seemingly heuristic) is when you all are so plugged-in to higher functioning that almost everything seems to be handled by some outside agency - all surprises good. This is the creative state! >>any truly musical sequencer will always require training and discipline >>from the user. And patience will probably always have its rewards. >Now here you are dealing with a basic problem of all computer (and >tool) usage. Perhaps if the adverts didn't keep telling people that >the software made everything easy, they wouldn't sell so many copies >to disappointed customers. Eugene Smith ran some evening classes called >"Photography Made Difficult". Compared to a computer, what could be simpler than a drum, or a pencil. Yet they are not at all easy to use well. People often forget the investment of concentration and discipline applied toward skills gained early in life. I remember the looks on first-grader's faces as they wielded their jumbos over wide-line pressed pulp and attempted to form coherent letters - not phrases, sentences, thoughts - just words. Many people come to computers expecting too much for too little. They are already good at watching TV. Fortunately for them, entertainments have been devised, that give the illusion of active participation, without the downside of thought, study, reassessment. Using a sequencer or other software that performs complex duties can be as pleasurable as "nailing it" with a band in front of a great audience. The mastery over tools, form and content is its own reward. -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From jkrutz@meta.burner.com Mon, 27 Apr 98 23:22:55 MST X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2378 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2385 (database) From: Jamie Krutz To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Drummers Demand Decent Drive Date: Tue, 28 Apr 98 07:22:01 Message-ID: <9804280622.AA016xv@meta.burner.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA10920for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:58:36 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA13989for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:39:59 +0200 References: <354497E4.E02C8CEC@bigsky.net> X-NewsSoftware: GRn 2.1 Feb 19, 1994 Organization: The Back Burner BBS Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 41a2c32b74c1d47aa291376a05c7d6fd In article <354497E4.E02C8CEC@bigsky.net> greenboy writes: > The experience of playing in a non-conducted band is an experience > worth having! One can build an incredible awareness that is really not > communicable to the inexperienced. And there is NOTHING like cooking! Absolutely. Get out of the studio and play live! > Musical instruments, and musical communication tools like notation, > theory, etc have been evolving forever. It might be worthwhile to point out that the older interfaces are in significant ways limiting and illogical. Much theory is taught using a piano keyboard, which shows each key (for example, C major vs. F# major) very differently. Bad, bad, bad! All the relative intervals are really the same in every key! Traditional music notation is itself poor at mapping real intervals in a consistant spacial way, and is also poor at communicating the feel meant by the composer. > And yet the interface of an > instrument that has "depth" (guitar as opposed to kazoo) requires > much training and discipline to operate. I have the feeling really good kazoo playing is possible, with practice. Someone like the vocalist who did the wordless vocal solo on Floyd's dark side of the moon would probably be awesome with a kazoo. :^) Kazoo is probably a better tool for teaching theory than the piano keyboard. Guitar is good, too, if you stick to a single string where you can see half steps, and build scales and chords on that string so students can see the relationships. But I digress... Guitar, once you add in all the strings, has its own limitations and interface inconsistencies. Half the battle with all these interfaces--string, brass, woodwind, piano, computer--is in learning the workarounds. > Sequencer and computer interfaces are an infant form; as power increases > the evolution of these interfaces becomes assured. Graphic editing in sequencers is already a more accurate, consistent way to depict music than older pre-computer interfaces. > But the depth of any > truly musical sequencer will always require training and discipline from > the user. And patience will probably always have its rewards. The simplest approach to any GUI design is to ask "what does the user wish to do?" and then create an interface that doesn't get in the user's way as he/she does it. But then there will be users who feel limited because they want to do more than the design spec allows. The temptation is to design an interface that will allow the user to do any conceivable thing (or inconceivable thing for that matter); the swiss army knife approach. But then there will be users who feel challenged by the sheer complexity of the tool, before they've even used it to create anything. Does the tool's simplicity limit the art? Does the tool's complexity displace the art? Wherein lies the balance? Determining the answer to that question is the trick. > -- greenboy Best Regards, -Jamie ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From jkrutz@meta.burner.com Mon, 27 Apr 98 23:34:29 MST X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2324 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2386 (database) From: Jamie Krutz To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Event List (listview) Editing Date: Tue, 28 Apr 98 07:34:00 Message-ID: <9804280634.AA016y0@meta.burner.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA10928for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:58:37 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA13990for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:40:00 +0200 References: <354101CC.919784F5@bigsky.net> X-NewsSoftware: GRn 2.1 Feb 19, 1994 Organization: The Back Burner BBS Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: dac08d238ffacd2e537013c85b2d5a01 In article <354101CC.919784F5@bigsky.net> greenboy writes: > >> And a event-editing window, that allows you to work with each data > >> ala original Dr --whoops! - I mean, that sequencer that originated > >> on the AtariST from a developer who was around even before that. > > Don Cox wrote: > > Is this different from the requester you get with the magnifying glass > > in B&P? This allows you to type in exact times (very useful for > > putting in footsteps at SMPTE times), velocities, etc. > > I've always liked it better than the tack-on mag lense in B&P. It is a > full-scrollong window with every single midi event that occurs on that > track, and allows direct-input data entry. Its been awhile, but I > believe it filter/toggles channels different types of data, etc - so that > if you just want to see and edit noteon-duration-velocity events you can. > Global edits were also possible. > > In B&P it isn't as integral. B&P Pro does have event list editing. Best Regards, -Jamie PS. And, on another subject, I think they got the tap tempo working in the last B&P rev (don't remember for sure). > -- greenboy Best Regards, -Jamie ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:47:29 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2385 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2387 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Evolution of Representational Tools Date: Tue, 28 Apr 98 19:47:00 Message-ID: <35462441.36C786FE@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA11947for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:47:23 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA15079for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 20:29:24 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <354497E4.E02C8CEC@bigsky.net> <9804280622.AA016xv@meta.burner.com> Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: a08724929ba117b7d3fa8b7c3a5179d0 Jamie Krutz wrote: >>In B&P it (event list editing) isn't as integral. >B&P Pro does have event list editing. My only point here Jamie is that others have stronger emphasis on that form of editing, and the interface for it is thus more facile. >>Musical instruments, and musical communication tools like notation, >>theory, etc have been evolving forever. >It might be worthwhile to point out that the older interfaces are >in significant ways limiting and illogical. Absolutely! In order for midi sequencing to work, any event list must use mathematical accuracy to represent musical events. When notation became a big deal in the first midi generation I couldn't help but feel that wide gap between what the landscape really is and how the map portrays it. >Much theory is taught using a piano keyboard, which shows each key >(for example, C major vs. F# major) very differently. Bad, bad, bad! All >the relative intervals are really the same in every key! Much like languages. There are as many exceptions as there are rules. Let's not even talk about the paradoxes musical theory tries to encompass in even-tempered scalic music. One of my favorite "lameacies" from the past is key signatures. >>Sequencer and computer interfaces are an infant form; as power increases >>the evolution of these interfaces becomes assured. >Graphic editing in sequencers is already a more accurate, consistent >way to depict music than older pre-computer interfaces. Truly. >>But the depth of any truly musical sequencer will always require training >>and discipline from the user. And patience will probably always have its >>rewards. >The temptation is to design an interface that will allow the user to do >any conceivable thing (or inconceivable thing for that matter); the swiss >army knife approach. But then there will be users who feel challenged by >the sheer complexity of the tool, before they've even used it to create >anything. That's a point in favor of tiered (and modular) software. But really, SOME of the modern packages do a fantastic job of giving experienced power-users what they need while still satisfying newbies' expectations. This is a result of planning, observation, and listening to feedback. This evolution on other platforms is more obvious because there isn't a wall at 1994 (CBM debacle), and because a large body of users at every tier exists to give feedback, and vote with the wallet. -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From turk@gulftel.com Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:14:47 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2378 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2388 (database) From: CMM To: studio16 Subject: Re[2]: S16> Drummers Demand Decent Drive Date: Tue, 28 Apr 98 21:14:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id TAA12679for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:16:09 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA15770for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 20:58:10 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview3 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Organization: CMM MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 4d62e7d9399055ebb4647255544641b5 On 27-Apr-98, greenboy wrote: > Don Cox wrote: >> I wonder how human beings pick up a tempo and play together? > > In a band someone might be the reference point at the start of the song, > many times the drummer, but often could be the singer, bassist, depending > on content and prefs. Once things are going on, it seems to be a common > "agreement" with emphasis toward the rhythm section. And the skill level > of the participants. > I am in a band now and have been in several others. In regards to the above question as to the reference point most of the time from my experience it is the drummer that kicks off a song and starts the tempo of the song. Then the bass joins in and the two keep the tempo and rhythm of the song. regards, ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From hanssen@plex.nl Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:07:04 (+0100) X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2389 (database) From: Job Hanssen To: studio16 Subject: Who can provide me with Studio16 3.01? Date: Wed, 29 Apr 98 01:07:00 Message-ID: <19980429.85F4930.297@Spider.UUCP> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id WAA16616for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 22:08:02 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA19632for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 23:49:41 +0200 X-Disclaimer: Plex is a public access Internet provider Organization: Job Dimensional Computing MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Serious Voodoo Voodoo 1.285 (Registered to Job Hanssen ) X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id XAA19630 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 24b46691ca50c6812fd1ddb5b776d622 Hi all you out there, You haven't heard a lot of me lately after my Arexx-Track questions, because of a system crash. Well, I now have a new harddisk, but when I was reinstalling all my apps, I found out that I only have the V3.00 of Studio16 on floppie. Anyone out there who could provide me with the V3.01? Thanks in advance and keep up those lively discussions, it's fun to read! -- Job Hanssen - hanssen@dds.nl Job Dimensional Computing - computer graphics design and production. ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From hanssen@plex.nl Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:15:50 (+0100) X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2174 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2390 (database) From: Job Hanssen To: studio16 Subject: Re: This Mailinglist Date: Wed, 29 Apr 98 01:15:01 Message-ID: <19980429.875BD50.D86@Spider.UUCP> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id WAA16770for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 22:16:19 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA19720for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 23:58:26 +0200 X-Disclaimer: Plex is a public access Internet provider Organization: Job Dimensional Computing MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Serious Voodoo Voodoo 1.285 (Registered to Job Hanssen ) X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id XAA19716 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 1e999e776e11f21538dcce40b6a993b2 On 18 Apr 98 05:23:49 +0100, "Kenny Nilsen" wrote about This Mailinglist: > If anyone with average userlevel on Internet is interrested in taking over > this list as listowner, then give me a note in _private_ email. Thank you. Kenny, I realize I'm a rather late in responding, but I've had a harddisk-crash that needed my special attention. But if you're still trying to free your hands, I might be willing to take over for you. I know I can't be of much help in developping Studio16/AD516 any further, but maybe in maintaining this list I could make some difference... What's involved? I mean, should you be able to run specific sofware, or is shell-access to some unix-box enough? > - Kenny -- Job Hanssen - hanssen@dds.nl Job Dimensional Computing - computer graphics design and production. ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From hanssen@plex.nl Wed, 29 Apr 1998 03:05:30 (+0100) X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2390 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2391 (database) From: Job Hanssen To: studio16 Subject: Re: This Mailinglist Date: Wed, 29 Apr 98 04:05:00 Message-ID: <19980429.860E4F0.3163@Spider.UUCP> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id BAA19673for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 01:06:45 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA22728for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 02:48:10 +0200 X-Disclaimer: Plex is a public access Internet provider Organization: Job Dimensional Computing MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Serious Voodoo Voodoo 1.285 (Registered to Job Hanssen ) X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id CAA22721 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 722988c2e1c3ac1f09aadd5060b6e39f On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:15:50 (+0100), Job Hanssen wrote about Re: This Mailinglist: > On 18 Apr 98 05:23:49 +0100, "Kenny Nilsen" wrote about > This Mailinglist: > > If anyone with average userlevel on Internet is interrested in taking over > > this list as listowner, then give me a note in _private_ email. Thank you. > > Kenny, > > I realize I'm a rather late in responding, but I've had a harddisk-crash > that needed my special attention. But if you're still trying to free your > hands, I might be willing to take over for you. I know I can't be of much > help in developping Studio16/AD516 any further, but maybe in maintaining > this list I could make some difference... > > What's involved? I mean, should you be able to run specific sofware, or is > shell-access to some unix-box enough? > > > > - Kenny > > -- > Job Hanssen - hanssen@dds.nl > Job Dimensional Computing - computer graphics design and production. > > > > ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) > > Jeezzz... I really thought I sent this mail to Kenny's private account.... So much for accuracy.... I'll have another try... And NO, this is not my normal way of handling mail :-) .. -- Job Hanssen - hanssen@dds.nl Job Dimensional Computing - computer graphics design and production. ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From jkrutz@meta.burner.com Tue, 28 Apr 98 19:50:11 MST X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2387 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2392 (database) From: Jamie Krutz To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Evolution of Representational Tools Date: Wed, 29 Apr 98 03:50:00 Message-ID: <9804290250.AA016yh@meta.burner.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id FAA23977for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 05:51:37 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA30268for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:33:38 +0200 References: <35462441.36C786FE@bigsky.net> X-NewsSoftware: GRn 2.1 Feb 19, 1994 Organization: The Back Burner BBS Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 5760fe16a3d319c9d6b01ee58ea08297 In article <35462441.36C786FE@bigsky.net> greenboy writes: > Jamie Krutz wrote: > >>In B&P it (event list editing) isn't as integral. > > >B&P Pro does have event list editing. > > My only point here Jamie is that others have stronger emphasis on that > form of editing, and the interface for it is thus more facile. I was just responding because someone seemed to indicate that B&P had only the magnifying glass tool in the graphic editor for "list editing". For whoever thought that, you _can_ select real list editing and see all events displayed in a chronological list, where you can numerically edit any event. I suppose there may be more to desire for list editing, but I'm not sure off-hand what that would be. > >It might be worthwhile to point out that the older interfaces are > >in significant ways limiting and illogical. > > Absolutely! In order for midi sequencing to work, any event list must > use mathematical accuracy to represent musical events. When notation > became a big deal in the first midi generation I couldn't help but feel > that wide gap between what the landscape really is and how the map > portrays it. You mean traditional notation? Yes, it falls short of what the graphic event editing can display. Graphic editing has the advantage of being able to display actual note lengths as rectangles, rather than as rounded to the nearest traditional musical symbol. > >Much theory is taught using a piano keyboard, which shows each key > >(for example, C major vs. F# major) very differently. Bad, bad, bad! All > >the relative intervals are really the same in every key! > > Much like languages. There are as many exceptions as there are rules. But unlike languages, the underlying theory is simple and consistent. Music theory is much easier than it might appear when muddied by an arbitrarily complex interface like a piano keyboard. No wonder people think western music theory is complicated. It's really not. > Let's > not even talk about the paradoxes musical theory tries to encompass in > even-tempered scalic music. One of my favorite "lameacies" from the past is > key signatures. Yep. Necessary due to the spacial inadequacies of traditional notation. And BTW computer notation programs themselves don't always get the key signatures and the accidental markings correct. > -- greenboy Best Regards, -Jamie ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:47:25 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2392 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2393 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Evolution of Representational Tools Date: Wed, 29 Apr 98 07:47:00 Message-ID: <3546CCFD.7086C007@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id GAA25342for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 06:47:09 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA31479for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 08:29:21 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <35462441.36C786FE@bigsky.net> <9804290250.AA016yh@meta.burner.com> Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 8bb82ebf70f430570624b8d4f681ef1e Jamie Krutz wrote: >I suppose there may be more to desire for list editing, but I'm not sure >off-hand what that would be. Well, I really can't access my Amiga right now, to remember what B&P has in this regard, but its nice to be able to filter (exclude from view) by channel, type of data (so only certain cc events are showing), etc, so that selective operations can be performed, or just facilitating a thinned view for analysis. >>Let's not even talk about the paradoxes musical theory tries to encompass >>in even-tempered scalic music. One of my favorite "lameacies" from the >>past is key signatures. >Yep. Necessary due to the spacial inadequacies of traditional notation. For decades many composers have chosen not to use key signatures. And whether the music is high-brow or low-brow, very little music comes close to following the key-signature western theory says its tonic (key) indicates. Really, the major scale and associated triads, and the natural or descending melodic minor scales are the only ones that don't require accidentals. And other than showtunes and children's ditties, not especially popular these days. >But unlike languages, the underlying theory is simple and consistent. Most modern music modulates so often, or is modal (based on other scalic relationships) that much of what has been taught is only useful as a tool for analysis. And again the exceptions to the rules are as conflagrant as the rules themselves. So much so, that inventing rules to encompass any particular exception is the main function of theorists, it seems. One could say that the only practical basis for music theory is the study of pychoacoustics, but it too is fraught with paradox. Just as a unified field theory has not yet been marched forward to describe all the universe's phenomena, I suspect no one form of cataloging or description will describe music. That is why the "language" of music exists - to circumvent verbal and mathematical islands of logic, in the larger sea of chaos. And you can quote me on that! -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From doncox@enterprise.net Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:02:49 +0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2392 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2394 (database) From: Don Cox To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Evolution of Representational Tools Date: Wed, 29 Apr 98 10:02:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id IAA27730for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 08:01:33 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA00066for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:43:02 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 2624901f58a018c763f07341eea2644b On 29-Apr-98, Jamie Krutz wrote: > For whoever thought that, you _can_ select real list editing and see > all events displayed in a chronological list, where you can numerically > edit any event. I suppose there may be more to desire for list editing, > but I'm not sure off-hand what that would be. It's very useful for removing special Korg codes from the beginning of MIDI files. > You mean traditional notation? Yes, it falls short of what the graphic > event editing can display. Graphic editing has the advantage of being > able to display actual note lengths as rectangles, rather than as > rounded to the nearest traditional musical symbol. > But unlike languages, the underlying theory is simple and consistent. > Music theory is much easier than it might appear when muddied by an > arbitrarily complex interface like a piano keyboard. > > No wonder people think western music theory is complicated. > It's really not. I find it all makes a lot more sense on the piano roll editor, which almost removes the real piano's obsession with C major. Considering Debussy was writing with chromatic scales nearly 100 years ago, and that people have been working with quarter-tones, gliding tones etc for nearly as long, the old notation seems rather quaint. All those sharps and flats! I would like to see an alternative display like a piano roll but with just a scale of frequencies down the left. You can still have a snap-to-key grid, as you do in a drawing package. By using pitch bend, the snap-to can then allow for different types of tuning, not just equal temperament. In the time direction we do already have an alternative of measures or SMPTE. A straight pitch scale would also make more sense when programming sound effect tracks like footsteps. You could do Doppler effects more easily. Cheers -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From doncox@enterprise.net Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:10:25 +0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2393 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2395 (database) From: Don Cox To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Evolution of Representational Tools Date: Wed, 29 Apr 98 10:10:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id KAA01785for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:30:29 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA01275for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:12:13 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: aa6c3f0813b4842fbae04934708ded1c On 29-Apr-98, greenboy wrote: > > Most modern music modulates so often, or is modal (based on other scalic > relationships) that much of what has been taught is only useful as a tool > for analysis. And again the exceptions to the rules are as conflagrant as > the rules themselves. So much so, that inventing rules to encompass any > particular exception is the main function of theorists, it seems. > > One could say that the only practical basis for music theory is the study > of pychoacoustics, but it too is fraught with paradox. Just as a unified > field theory has not yet been marched forward to describe all the > universe's phenomena, I suspect no one form of cataloging or description > will describe music. > > That is why the "language" of music exists - to circumvent verbal and > mathematical islands of logic, in the larger sea of chaos. And you can > quote me on that! There is a _very_ good section on music in the big book "Science and Civilization in China". (The sort of book that looks too forbidding to take off the shelf - it's full of good stuff.) One thing that comes across clearly is that if you are starting completely from scratch, it's not easy to distinguish pitch from timbre. There are just hard and soft and thick etc sounds. Then think how hard tuning was when there were no adequate rulers to measure string lengths, or tuning forks, or anything. -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From kenny@bgnett.no 29 Apr 98 13:02:01 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2389 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2400 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Job Hanssen Subject: Re: Who can provide me with Studio16 3.01? Date: Wed, 29 Apr 98 13:02:00 Message-ID: <252.423T60T7822477@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id LAA03362for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:22:19 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA03733for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 13:04:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: ec22005a69e1565d6ae358479d62073a Job Hanssen wrote: >on floppie. Anyone out there who could provide me with the V3.01? Hi there Job and welcome back! You can download the 3.01 + 3.01A update from Paula Porkki's great Amiga soundcard page at http://www.iki.fi/~pporkka/ re, - Kenny ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Wed, 29 Apr 1998 08:30:29 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2394 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2401 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Evolution of Representational Tools Date: Wed, 29 Apr 98 15:30:00 Message-ID: <35473985.6C3FE06@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id OAA08578for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 14:30:42 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA08420for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:12:34 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: ffa6f0fcfa721ac5f9e95d781fa466cf Don Cox wrote: >Considering Debussy was writing with chromatic scales nearly 100 years >ago, and that people have been working with quarter-tones, gliding >tones etc for nearly as long, the old notation seems rather quaint. All >those sharps and flats! Its been awhile since I looked at A Debussy score, but it seems to me that he at least occasionally abandoned the use of key-signatures for the obvious ink-wasters they were, for such music. Smaller divisions of the octave than 12 are notated in India's music, but again, it leaves something to be desired. Their music is melodically complex but due to the difficulties a 60-note scale brings, the music does not harmonically modulate. >By using pitch bend, the snap-to can then allow for different types of >tuning, not just equal temperament. Microtuning tables on many samplers and synths allow one to play in quarter-tone, just, mean, 19 step, etc tunings. Most brands have presets as well as user-configurable tuning available. Some allow tuning within a one octave span - and then replicate that across the midi note range - but you can modulate the tonic so as to always have "sweet" chords. Others (Ensoniq for one) allow you to map the entire keyboard if you choose, so playing quarter-tone and having all the intervals available requires two octaves of keys to play one octave. Wendy Carlos has done some excellent music using microtunings, and draws references from gamelan, and other musics that do not have even temperament. Incidentally, gamelan does not respect the notion that "octaves" have a 2/1 frequency ratio. And this stems from the fact that the instruments that it is built around have a skewed set of overtones that a western octave does not sound right with. Harry Partch was one interesting gentleman in this field. He built many instruments and tinkered endlessly with different divisions of the scale. Many of his experiments were before their time. Had he the advantage of modern soundchips and computers - well, scratch that - people would still be listening to endless MTV rotation. Except in small pockets of guarded resistance. >There is a _very_ good section on music in the big book "Science and >Civilization in China" One thing that comes across clearly is that if >you are starting completely from scratch, it's not easy to distinguish >pitch from timbre. Especially at extremes in volume (because of the ear's doppler tendencies) and pitch (because of the ear's inefficiencies at hearing bass tones as easily as it hears midrange). And the two interact. Also, the brain plays an incredible part in perceptual audio. >Then think how hard tuning was when there were no adequate rulers to >measure string lengths, or tuning forks, or anything. Heavyweights like Pythagoreas peretty much wedded measurement, math, and music. All ideal sources of fundamental and overtones have mathematical relationships, which he (or maybe Roger Bacon) painfully sussed out. Cross-discipline science certainly made conceptual advancements in that day! -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From Brrr@aol.com Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:59:29 EDT X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2402 (database) From: Brrr To: studio16 Subject: Re: Who can provide me with Studio16 3.01? Date: Wed, 29 Apr 98 15:59:00 Message-ID: <67e6087b.35474052@aol.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id PAA09514for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 15:00:53 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA09035for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:42:49 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: b7fb98b3ffbef1b023b2f080f074557c In a message dated 4/29/98 7:28:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kenny@bgnett.no writes: << ob Hanssen wrote: >on floppie. Anyone out there who could provide me with the V3.01? >> The correct Amiga Audio Cards homepage is: http://www.sci.fi/~pporkka/aac.html -Burr huntington ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From jkrutz@meta.burner.com Wed, 29 Apr 98 09:50:02 MST X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2393 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2403 (database) From: Jamie Krutz To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Evolution of Representational Tools Date: Wed, 29 Apr 98 17:50:00 Message-ID: <9804291650.AA016yy@meta.burner.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA13777for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:52:07 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA14181for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:33:38 +0200 References: <3546CCFD.7086C007@bigsky.net> X-NewsSoftware: GRn 2.1 Feb 19, 1994 Organization: The Back Burner BBS Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 452e2b0e5a91b4be23071010b08c9993 In article <3546CCFD.7086C007@bigsky.net> greenboy writes: > Jamie Krutz wrote: > >I suppose there may be more to desire for list editing, but I'm not sure > >off-hand what that would be. > > Well, I really can't access my Amiga right now, to remember what B&P has > in this regard, but its nice to be able to filter (exclude from view) by > channel, type of data (so only certain cc events are showing), etc, so > that selective operations can be performed, or just facilitating a thinned > view for analysis. I don't think B&P's list has view options, but you're right, that would be nice. > >>Let's not even talk about the paradoxes musical theory tries to encompass > >>in even-tempered scalic music. One of my favorite "lameacies" from the > >>past is key signatures. > >But unlike languages, the underlying theory is simple and consistent. > > Most modern music modulates so often, or is modal (based on other scalic > relationships) that much of what has been taught is only useful as a tool > for analysis. And again the exceptions to the rules are as conflagrant as > the rules themselves. So much so, that inventing rules to encompass any > particular exception is the main function of theorists, it seems. Well you have your simple set of notes. You can number the notes in a scale and identify the whole and half step relationships for a particular scale (for example 3-4, 7-8 are the half steps in a major scale). You can number chords based on roots from the tonic (for example, the 5 chord), and identify them based on the notes they use (ie. maj7th). That's the basic underlying theory I'm referring to for western music. Portable to any key. Modulate all you want. Use any modality you want. Project any kind of tuning you want onto the system. Cake. Crude interfaces like the piano keyboard make it look much more complex than it is. It gets more complicated when you leave the basic set of notes and use quarter tones and such, but for traditional western music in classical and popular genres, the building blocks are not that complex and they snap together pretty easily. Musical lego. Of course on top of that, you have expression, which can be variations in timing and pitch. Real, performed expression is not easily quantifiable. The ability to know the basic structure and then stretch the lego with expression is called "being a musician." :^) In Bars&Pipes I have never bothered to use any algorithmic features or the key-centric features because I have an ear, I know what I want and I know what I'm doing. As long as it records what I do, has reasonable editing and can sync to a multitrack (whether tape machine or hard drive system) I'm pretty much set. I may be a different breed than some sequencer users. I don't need it to hold my hand musically. I mostly need it to get out of the way and faithfully reproduce what I perform. > One could say that the only practical basis for music theory is the study > of pychoacoustics, but it too is fraught with paradox. Just as a unified > field theory has not yet been marched forward to describe all the > universe's phenomena, I suspect no one form of cataloging or description > will describe music. Once you go beyond traditional western music theory it does get more complex. But not impossibly complex, I think. > That is why the "language" of music exists - to circumvent verbal and > mathematical islands of logic, in the larger sea of chaos. And you can > quote me on that! Pretty soon we'll be talking about string theory. I want a MIDI sequencer that describes strings (a theorized form of fundamental vibrating structure in the universe). :^) I think music is an expression of thought that encompasses the verbal and mathematic in an intuitive way, and goes beyond them. It is a purer form of brain activity that touches on dreaming. It may describe the universe better than any other language. Or not. :^) > -- greenboy Best Regards, -Jamie ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From baff@stc.net Wed, 29 Apr 1998 13:16:06 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2403 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2404 (database) From: Brian Fields To: Jamie Krutz Subject: Re: S16> Evolution of Representational Tools Date: Wed, 29 Apr 98 09:16:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA14483for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 18:28:30 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA14923for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 20:10:20 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 1bd1e6106cf9a6abc00d1a2e9bad2c0a >Jamie Krutz wrote: >In Bars&Pipes I have never bothered to use any algorithmic >features or the key-centric features because I have an ear, >I know what I want and I know what I'm doing. As long as it >records what I do, has reasonable editing and can sync to a >multitrack (whether tape machine or hard drive system) I'm >pretty much set. >I may be a different breed than some sequencer users. I don't >need it to hold my hand musically. I mostly need it to get out of >the way and faithfully reproduce what I perform. Hear. Hear! This is where ot start. -- TFN, Brian ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From doncox@enterprise.net Wed, 29 Apr 1998 20:07:01 +0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2401 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2405 (database) From: Don Cox To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Evolution of Representational Tools Date: Wed, 29 Apr 98 21:07:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id TAA15252for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:08:10 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA15508for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 20:50:17 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 51de2ad278c128298621614edfa3f9be On 29-Apr-98, greenboy wrote: > Wendy Carlos has done some excellent music using microtunings, and > draws references from gamelan, and other musics that do not have even > temperament. I've only heard her old Bach things, but I knew she was developing some interesting stuff. I'll see if I can find a CD. > Heavyweights like Pythagoreas peretty much wedded measurement, math, and > music. All ideal sources of fundamental and overtones have mathematical > relationships, which he (or maybe Roger Bacon) painfully sussed out. > Cross-discipline science certainly made conceptual advancements in that > day! And some of the Chinese experts. Regards -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From doncox@enterprise.net Wed, 29 Apr 1998 20:36:46 +0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2403 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2406 (database) From: Don Cox To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Evolution of Representational Tools Date: Wed, 29 Apr 98 21:36:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA19043for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 21:48:07 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA18969for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 23:28:40 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 68955abfae6aba2d35b46fdc09f3d128 On 29-Apr-98, Jamie Krutz wrote: > I don't think B&P's list has view options, but you're right, that would be nice. There are limited options in the Show menu - you can decide whether or not to show CC, Program Change, Sysex. What Jamie needs is a program to combine Music Construction with World Construction - a Harmony of the Spheres Construction Set. ;-) (BTW off topic, I still haven't got WCS. Must chase Mindy.) Regards -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From thalfman@viser.net Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:08:43 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2407 (database) From: Travis Halfman To: studio16 Subject: Studio16 to CDDA Date: Wed, 29 Apr 98 12:08:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id AAA21776for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:17:47 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA21222for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:58:07 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Voyager Internet Services MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: dd5403651d1d22922c3fe5e4113c7e0f What are the tools and procedures some of you use to record sound in stereo with the AD516, then create audio CDs? I'm hung up on the issue of stereo Studio 16 files which are separate files but need to be a single stereo CDDA file. What programs are the most useful for creating stereo CDDA files (or even stereo .wav for that matter)? Perhaps a tutorial from someone who has made a CD from the initial recording to the final CD burning would be most instructive. Thanks for any help, Travis Halfman thalfman@viser.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From onad@ao.net Wed, 29 Apr 1998 20:23:50 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2408 (database) From: Dan Oberley To: studio16 Subject: Non-Linear Video Date: Wed, 29 Apr 98 16:23:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id AAA21933for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:27:40 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA21418for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 02:08:33 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 939f2c7aa302afd130b1f75fd7ea8ac3 I need a non-linear video editor. The only Amiga editor i can find is a toaster/flyer but, the price is to high!! and that's not including the hard drives! so i did some homework and found out that i could buy a good editor if i go out and but a whole PC system. It comes out cheaper with the PC {and that includes the computer, the editor card AND THE HARD DRIVES} Problem is...I don't want to sell my soul to Bill Gates!! but, maybe I should, I can always get a Siamese system. Any better ideas? -- ******************************** Spider Byte Dan Oberley Studio's Winter Park, FL (407)740-6616 ******************************** ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From MCKITTRM@Mattel.com Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:37:21 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2409 (database) From: McKittrick, Mike T To: studio16 Subject: RE: Studio16 to CDDA Date: Thu, 30 Apr 98 01:37:00 Message-ID: <11C089E676D0D011A14C0080D80016218CFCCF@ESTWR56> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id AAA22112for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:40:15 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA21630for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 02:21:05 +0200 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 542661e46fd266cea3283fe39c329f49 Travis, MasterISO v2 and Audio Thunder, both by Asimware, convert Studio16 files to CDDA files. Regards, Mike ---------- From: Travis Halfman [SMTP:thalfman@viser.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 1998 4:09 AM To: studio16@thule.no Subject: Studio16 to CDDA What are the tools and procedures some of you use to record sound in stereo with the AD516, then create audio CDs? I'm hung up on the issue of stereo Studio 16 files which are separate files but need to be a single stereo CDDA file. What programs are the most useful for creating stereo CDDA files (or even stereo .wav for that matter)? Perhaps a tutorial from someone who has made a CD from the initial recording to the final CD burning would be most instructive. Thanks for any help, Travis Halfman thalfman@viser.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From baff@stc.net Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:45:40 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2408 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2410 (database) From: Brian Fields To: Dan Oberley Subject: Re: Non-Linear Video Date: Wed, 29 Apr 98 15:45:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id AAA22308for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:59:00 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA21924for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 02:39:59 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: ca535a8be0a4c08c658858397340209f Greetings Dan, >I need a non-linear video editor. >The only Amiga editor i can find is a toaster/flyer but, the price is to >high!! and that's not including the hard drives! >so i did some homework and found out that i could buy a good editor if i go >out and but a whole PC system. It comes out cheaper with the PC {and that >includes the computer, the editor card AND THE HARD DRIVES} >Problem is...I don't want to sell my soul to Bill Gates!! >but, maybe I should, I can always get a Siamese system. >Any better ideas? I'll be out of town for a couple of days so this will be all the input I can give for now. But if you are taliking about a Trinity (the only pc I can think of that does high end editing). Then you are not talking about a system that actually digitizes the video onto a hard drive. It's a fancy editor that will make a file of all of the edits and effects (kind of an edit/decision list - EDL)that you want to put together and then you tell it to go ahead and put the tape together from the scenes you have marked in the EDL. Then it puts the master together from the other VTRs hooked up to the system. NewTek has Fyer/Toaster systems drastically discounted right now and I dare say you couldn't match the quality and power of their system for the price of a "true" NLE system. The closest I've seen is still twice the price...........and it ain't no AMIGA! Good luck, >-- >******************************** > Spider Byte Dan Oberley > Studio's Winter Park, FL > (407)740-6616 >******************************** >** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) -- Ta fer now, Brian baff@stc.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:01:43 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2408 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2411 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Non-Linear Video Date: Thu, 30 Apr 98 02:01:00 Message-ID: <3547CD77.5FC11EF9@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id BAA22399for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:03:01 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA22003for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 02:44:01 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 7b90607e54e22b69fc86405e99f63c5e Dan Oberley wrote: >I need a non-linear video editor. The only Amiga editor i can find is a >toaster/flyer but, the price is to high!! > >so i did some homework and found out that i could buy a good editor if >i go out and but a whole PC system. It comes out cheaper with the PC >{and that includes the computer, the editor card AND THE HARD DRIVES} The good thing about the Toaster/Flyer solution: it actually does a for- real broadcastable signal with good to excellent video quality, and with HQ5-approved drives it never stutters even with great quality. The software is pretty ironed out, is fast to work in and train others to do the same. Thanks to one of Amiga's few advantages - the custom chipset, it is the fastest CG, and the real-time transistions are for the most part usable. 3rd party software is cheap, great, and plentiful. If you buy PC stuff, don't get the cheap stuff that CLAIMS it can do "video". The signal is substandard, there is quite a bit of frame-rate stutter or audio-drop-out unless everything is just so. Many have been sold on buying in at this level, and they always end up spending as much as the Flyer to get it right. The better stuff is just going to cost that much, and the hard drives are going to need to be the same ones if you don't want compression artifacts (which you might not see in the frenzy of newtoyism, but when you finally do, boy are you gonna love those salespersons. So shop wisely. Get advice from deliverers of broadcastable content, take a vectorscope/waveform monitor to the dealer's, record real-world footage into it at a low-compression, and see how well it can handle it all. As an aside, there a brokers who sell used systems advertizing in the trades. -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From mikemcoo@efn.org Wed, 29 Apr 1998 18:29:36 -0700 (PDT) X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2408 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2412 (database) From: Mike McCool To: studio16 Subject: Re: Non-Linear Video Date: Thu, 30 Apr 98 02:29:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id BAA22657for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:22:35 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA22559for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 03:03:21 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: garcia.efn.org: mikemcoo owned process doing -bs MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: f907db4e7456b2b7387acf80fb5cb7e5 On Wed, 29 Apr 1998, Dan Oberley wrote: > I need a non-linear video editor. > The only Amiga editor i can find is a toaster/flyer but, the price is to Check the comp.sys.amiga.marketplace newsgroup. Not too long ago, I picked up a PAR and a TBC4 for under a K, and that included a half-gig drive. I am talking used, and the editing features are a bit more hack-and-slash and figure it out than the true stratospheric capabilities of a Toaster/Flyer--but you're bux ahead, and it is true nle. And the other respondent was dead-on: you might find something affordable on the PC side, but, to get broadcast, you're gonna have to pull your wallet. (The dossers are claiming amazingly better vid quality with the PVR than with the PAR, but it's only 'cause the scsi drives they use are lightning fast now). Get hold of a quantum fireball ide, and you'll smoke 'em. http://www.efn.org/~mikemcoo http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/lofts/9794 ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Wed, 29 Apr 1998 20:32:25 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2412 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2413 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Non-Linear Video Date: Thu, 30 Apr 98 03:32:00 Message-ID: <3547E2B9.56E0957D@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id CAA23517for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 02:32:35 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA23917for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 04:14:38 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 5eadc383fc6b1e87f3e080cbd5fe5188 Mike McCool wrote: >Not too long ago, I picked up a PAR and a TBC4 for under a K, and that >included a half-gig drive. I am talking used, and the editing features >are a bit more hack-and-slash and figure it out than the true >stratospheric capabilities of a Toaster/Flyer--but you're bux ahead I hope I won't be considered argumentative, but that is an animation delivery system. Just a minimum DVE system requires two 4gig drives for video, a 1 gig for audio, and some backup. And a working pro with deadlines needs all the production speed and assembly tools. 2 jobs without those tools - and bye-bye profit, sanity, and clients. It would be the video equivalent of using steptime editing in B&P to do an album a week. -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Wed, 29 Apr 1998 21:22:36 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2410 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2414 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Non-Linear Video: Trinity Date: Thu, 30 Apr 98 04:22:00 Message-ID: <3547EE7C.F3AACFFC@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id DAA24804for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 03:51:18 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA25256for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 05:33:10 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 09183ba6bb5318e15d7ed897d3388f2b Brian Fields wrote: >But if you are taliking about a Trinity (the only pc I can think of >that does high end editing). Then you are not talking about a system >that actually digitizes the video onto a hard drive. It's a fancy >editor that will make a file of all of the edits and effects Oh no, it's quite a bit more - in theory. For the scoop on it, from this year's NAB, see this Amiga.Org news item (its been all over, actually): http://amigaorg.ukonline.co.uk/news/1998/0409-trinity.html Reports from other quarters (pro mags) somewhat agree with this assessment. It is not finished, and will be much more expensive than the base $4995. If you want everything you need to work, anyway. >NewTek has Fyer/Toaster systems drastically discounted right now and I >dare say you couldn't match the quality and power of their system for >the price of a "true" NLE system. The closest I've seen is still twice >the price...and it ain't no AMIGA! Brian, that's the case - the price drops are competitive! And in this marketplace it is about buying a solution. And the Amiga/Toaster/Flyer combo actually does what it advertizes. For quite some time now, with fast to use and learn tools, the system delivers REAL broadcast quality. -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From ImJohn@worldnet.att.net Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:44:56 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2404 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2415 (database) From: John L Rice To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Evolution of Representational Tools Date: Wed, 29 Apr 98 17:44:01 Message-ID: <35475907.72D44154@worldnet.att.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id EAA25500for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 04:36:22 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA26292for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 06:18:33 +0200 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 06caaa4d807258fab51dbb7b7f645bad Brian Fields wrote: > >Jamie Krutz wrote: > > >In Bars&Pipes I have never bothered to use any algorithmic > >features or the key-centric features because I have an ear, > >I know what I want and I know what I'm doing. As long as it > >records what I do, has reasonable editing and can sync to a > >multitrack (whether tape machine or hard drive system) I'm > >pretty much set. > > >I may be a different breed than some sequencer users. I don't > >need it to hold my hand musically. I mostly need it to get out of > >the way and faithfully reproduce what I perform. > > Hear. Hear! This is where ot start. Well, I tend to use sequencers that way also, as just a recorder for what I'm doing. A lot of times I just set the clock to a fairly fast rate and then just play over the top with out any reference click, for a lot of pieces that works out fine. But I try to also visualize everything involved in the creation of music to be part of the chain, starting with my brain and ending with the listener's brain. Then once you have a picture of the entire chain, see the chain as the 'instrument' and understand how each link in the chain affects the music. Some of the most powerful and overlooked parts of the chain are 'recording' devices like tape decks, mixers, effect units, and sequencers. Obviously, sometimes after writing a song you just want to get it down on some sort of recording to save it, but if it is really important to you, shouldn't you learn ALL the capabilities of your 'instrument' and strive to use them to the best of your abilities / imagination / passion? ImJohn@worldnet.att.net .......I play drums ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From fdiebel@bartok.emrl.com Wed, 29 Apr 1998 22:33:24 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2407 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2416 (database) From: Floyd Diebel To: Travis Halfman Subject: Re: Studio16 to CDDA Date: Thu, 30 Apr 98 07:33:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id FAA26243for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 05:35:42 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA27710for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 07:17:55 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Experimental Media Research Laboratory MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: dfd29d1fc3fbbaa6511d83a587afc670 On 29-Apr-98, Travis Halfman wrote: >I'm hung up on the issue of stereo Studio 16 files which are separate files >but need to be a single stereo CDDA file. What programs are the most useful >for creating stereo CDDA files (or even stereo .wav for that matter)? i use audio thunder to batch convert files from studio16 to .aiff of CDDA format. i typically prefer to use the .aiff format, cause i can execute last minute edits on the files before burning to disc. as far as i am aware, there is no good way to edit a CDDA file. i use soundprobe for this, and it is quite nice. makecd (demo on aminet) supports using .aiff format files. don't know about the thlatest version of master iso, but version 1.x only supports CDDA. >Perhaps a tutorial from someone who has made a CD from the initial recording >to the final CD burning would be most instructive. i master all of the multi-track work done here in my studio to cd (my DAT is seeing low usage these days). i also burn cd masters for numerous clients around this area. typically, the way i do this work is as follows - !) digitize the source material. if cleanup needs to me done with external processing/eq, this would obviously be the time to do it. i will usually record the entire source material as one trac, while i go about other business. 2) open up the files in the editor. open the regions window under OPTIONS>SHOW REGIONS. go through the source files and range the seperate cd tracks, then add a region identifying that track with a unique name. also, i will usually scale the beginning and ending of each range to get rid of any excess noise or whatnot. 3) use kennys s16regionstofiles program to save out all of your regions to seperate files. i wrote a little front end for this program to make batch setups easy. let me know if you want a copy. 4) now you'll have a bunch of pairs of s16 files. i usually use audio thunder to convert them in batches, but you can use a script with kennys studio2aiff software to get stereo aiffs out of the 2 studio16 files. when i get through the next few projects ( a month maybe) i'm going to finish setting up a front end for taking care of all these steps automatically, once the regions are defined. then it will actually be cost effective for me to be burning so many damned cd masters. feel free to email me for any more help you may need. -f -- fdiebel@bartok.emrl.com a/v composition and engineering. ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From tony@star1.demon.co.uk Thu, 30 Apr 1998 06:48:44 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2417 (database) From: star1 To: studio16 Subject: Re: Non-Linear Video Date: Thu, 30 Apr 98 14:48:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id FAA26431for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 05:48:14 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA28198for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 07:30:33 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 376ebf2f117f3ac2db884326c0ea15d6 ---------- > From: Mike McCool > To: studio16@thule.no > Subject: Re: Non-Linear Video > Date: Wednesday, April 29, 1998 6:29 PM > > On Wed, 29 Apr 1998, Dan Oberley wrote: > > > I need a non-linear video editor. > > The only Amiga editor i can find is a toaster/flyer but, the price is to > > Check the comp.sys.amiga.marketplace newsgroup. Not too long ago, I > picked up a PAR and a TBC4 for under a K, and that included a half-gig > drive. > > I am talking used, and the editing features are a bit more hack-and-slash > and figure it out than the true stratospheric capabilities of a > Toaster/Flyer--but you're bux ahead, and it is true nle. > > And the other respondent was dead-on: you might find something affordable > on the PC side, but, to get broadcast, you're gonna have to pull your > wallet. (The dossers are claiming amazingly better vid quality with the > PVR than with the PAR, but it's only 'cause the scsi drives they use are > lightning fast now). > > Get hold of a quantum fireball ide, and you'll smoke 'em. > > http://www.efn.org/~mikemcoo > http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/lofts/9794 > > > > ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) i have a digital broadcaster for sale dont no how to setup open to offers has VITC,LTC SVIDEO IN/OUT,BETA IN/OUT, composite in/out no harddrive needs fast scsi drive swap for other hardware also acceptable, i have original disk and manual, i need a TBC or a Sunrize AD516, ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From greenboy@bigsky.net Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:55:55 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2415 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2418 (database) From: greenboy To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Evolution of Representational Tools Date: Thu, 30 Apr 98 07:55:01 Message-ID: <3548207B.74CEF6DF@bigsky.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id GAA27870for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 06:55:55 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA30321for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 08:37:59 +0200 Organization: Greendream X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <35475907.72D44154@worldnet.att.net> Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: f218adf095a7ab71db3eeaad23ad21a6 Jamie Krutz wrote: >>>In Bars&Pipes I have never bothered to use any algorithmic >>>features or the key-centric features because I have an ear, >>>I know what I want and I know what I'm doing. As long as it >>>records what I do, has reasonable editing and can sync to a >>>multitrack (whether tape machine or hard drive system) I'm >>>pretty much set. >>> >>>I may be a different breed than some sequencer users. I don't >>>need it to hold my hand musically. I mostly need it to get out of >>>the way and faithfully reproduce what I perform. Well I'm a real two-fisted man's man, and I don't need no damn sequencer. I take out my chisel and my stone tablet and my songs are the songs that make the whole world SPIT milk. And when I want to build a world, why I engrave it right onto the tablet next to the song, and I don't need no software to make that fancy 3D texture-mapped semi-reflective, bathed-in-defused-light tomfoolery. I just draw me a world -- -- greenboy ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From tc_silvey@juno.com Wed, 29 Apr 1998 14:54:26 -0400 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2393 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2419 (database) From: troy silvey To: studio16 Subject: S16> B&P's event lister Date: Wed, 29 Apr 98 19:54:00 Message-ID: <19980430.065833.11054.0.tc_silvey@juno.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id KAA04487for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 10:59:12 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA01298for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:41:05 +0200 References: <3546CCFD.7086C007@bigsky.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-9 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 3fccf6ae7774c1543c1c6bb90af14558 >I don't think B&P's list has view options, but you're right, that >would be nice. B&P does have an event lister/editor and it does have some control to exclude some types of events while viewing. It is a hard util to find in the menu's. I'd have to pull it up and get to it myself to tell you how to do it. Check the manual if you have it. if not, i'll look at it again. troy _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From bohus@xnet.com Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:04:21 -0500 (CDT) X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2408 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2420 (database) From: Bohus Blahut To: studio16 Subject: Re: Non-Linear Video Date: Thu, 30 Apr 98 15:04:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id OAA09738for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:05:00 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA02062for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:45:51 +0200 X-Sender: bohus@typhoon MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 9c71e7f6e44589b130cba9e39ae6076f On Wed, 29 Apr 1998, Dan Oberley wrote: > I need a non-linear video editor. > The only Amiga editor i can find is a toaster/flyer but, the price is to > high!! and that's not including the hard drives! It really depends on what kind of editing you intend on doing. The PC is replete with low end editors that aren't very flexible, are slow, and make it difficult to get your footage into any other programs. To get into real high quality editing like with the Flyer, the $5000 dollars that NewTek is asking (including a4000 Tower, etc.) is actually a pretty low price in the industry. I started out with the Vlab Motion. The bundled software- MovieShop- kicks butt. The Vlab works in a variety of configurations of Amiga, and will yield good S-vhs quality. You can also recors LTC on one of the Vlab's audio tracks and link it to Studio 16- wchi I plan on doing one of these days! Vlab Motions are now regulrarly trading hands in the newsgroups for about $800 US. That's pretty cheap for allowing you to edit and keep your soul out of MicroSoft's hands. Bohus Blahut (BOH-hoosh BLAH-hoot) Bohus@xnet.com Modern Filmmaker vox/fax: 773.465.5158 director- The Vantage Point "Imitation is the sincerest form of copyright infringement" -BB ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From jkrutz@meta.burner.com Thu, 30 Apr 98 00:36:59 MST X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2406 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2421 (database) From: Jamie Krutz To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Evolution of Representational Tools Date: Thu, 30 Apr 98 08:36:01 Message-ID: <9804300736.AA0170z@meta.burner.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id PAA12506for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:51:55 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA04498for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:32:44 +0200 References: X-NewsSoftware: GRn 2.1 Feb 19, 1994 Organization: The Back Burner BBS Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 2a60933904bd40eb98f1781475785560 In article Don Cox writes: > There are limited options in the Show menu - you can decide whether or > not to show CC, Program Change, Sysex. Thanks for checking. > What Jamie needs is a program to combine Music Construction with World > Construction - a Harmony of the Spheres Construction Set. ;-) Heh. > (BTW off topic, I still haven't got WCS. Must chase Mindy.) Sure, or wait until final WCS 2 and the new WCS 3 are out for the Amiga if you like. > Regards > -- > Don Cox > doncox@enterprise.net Best Regards, -Jamie ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From jkrutz@meta.burner.com Thu, 30 Apr 98 00:32:51 MST X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2407 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2422 (database) From: Jamie Krutz To: studio16 Subject: Re: Studio16 to CDDA Date: Thu, 30 Apr 98 08:32:01 Message-ID: <9804300732.AA0170u@meta.burner.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id PAA12505for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:51:55 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA04496for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:32:37 +0200 References: X-NewsSoftware: GRn 2.1 Feb 19, 1994 Organization: The Back Burner BBS Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 94c69416e39e3dfbdf8f5351c6e7bded In article Travis Halfman writes: > What are the tools and procedures some of you use to record sound in stereo > with the AD516, then create audio CDs? I've used the Asimware CD burning software. I just got a new version which I haven't yet tried, but it now supports Studio16 files directly. It also will directly load L/R files as individual files, and you can then tell it which files are stereo pairs. It also appears to have greater control over the time between songs. Should be easier the next time I burn a CD than it was last time with the older version of the software. > I'm hung up on the issue of stereo Studio 16 files which are separate files > but need to be a single stereo CDDA file. What programs are the most useful > for creating stereo CDDA files (or even stereo .wav for that matter)? Asimware seems to have it covered. > Perhaps a tutorial from someone who has made a CD from the initial recording > to the final CD burning would be most instructive. That's the one drawback with Asimware. The new manual is much bigger and better, but still no tutorials. Lots of "what" but very little "why". > Thanks for any help, > > Travis Halfman > thalfman@viser.net Best Regards, -Jamie ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From conlee@linkonline.net Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:28:27 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2408 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2423 (database) From: Chris Conlee To: studio16 Subject: Re: Non-Linear Video Date: Thu, 30 Apr 98 17:28:00 Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980430092827.00714814@popsvr.linkonline.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id QAA13262for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:20:25 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA04982for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:01:09 +0200 X-Sender: conlee@popsvr.linkonline.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: daf882bb610373e6ca702573ef424f56 At 08:23 PM 4/29/98 +0500, you wrote: >I need a non-linear video editor. >The only Amiga editor i can find is a toaster/flyer but, the price is to >high!! and that's not including the hard drives! >so i did some homework and found out that i could buy a good editor if i go >out and but a whole PC system. It comes out cheaper with the PC {and that >includes the computer, the editor card AND THE HARD DRIVES} >Problem is...I don't want to sell my soul to Bill Gates!! >but, maybe I should, I can always get a Siamese system. >Any better ideas? > Get a Cassablanca. It's got a strong Amiga heritage, plus it's a turnkey system, so you'll never have a problem with IRQs etc. The image is great, and the software is constantly being improved. Chris ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From madmaxx@cyberhighway.net Thu, 30 Apr 1998 19:46:54 +0200 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2408 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2424 (database) From: Marv B. To: studio16 Subject: Re: Non-Linear Video Date: Thu, 30 Apr 98 18:46:01 Message-ID: <1455.216T931T1858@cyberhighway.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA15681for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:06:22 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA08828for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 19:47:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.22 (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 47c5f2dd8425501469a5f13f9b004eaa >I need a non-linear video editor. >The only Amiga editor i can find is a toaster/flyer but, the price is to >high!! and that's not including the hard drives! >so i did some homework and found out that i could buy a good editor if i go >out and but a whole PC system. It comes out cheaper with the PC {and that >includes the computer, the editor card AND THE HARD DRIVES} >Problem is...I don't want to sell my soul to Bill Gates!! >but, maybe I should, I can always get a Siamese system. >Any better ideas? >-- >******************************** > Spider Byte Dan Oberley > Studio's Winter Park, FL > (407)740-6616 >******************************** >** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) +----------------------------------------------------------+ | madmaxx@cyberhighway.net is: 116 N.Latah | | Marv Birkinbine Pres. Boise, Idaho 83706 | | MAXXIMUM VIDEO CREATIONS INC. 1-888-mad-maxx | | "YOUR AMIGA DEALER 1-208-385-9658 | | FOR THE NEXT GENERATION" www.cyberhighway.net/~madmaxx | +----------------------------------------------------------+ a non-linear system on the P.C. that costs less than $8000? that would be a toy for mom and pop to make home videos with in there many free hours in retirment. Please do yourself a faver and look closley and ask many questions before you pay hard erned money.. Marv ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From doncox@enterprise.net Thu, 30 Apr 1998 19:30:11 +0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2408 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2425 (database) From: Don Cox To: studio16 Subject: Re: Non-Linear Video Date: Thu, 30 Apr 98 20:30:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id TAA17036for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 19:08:22 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA11283for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 20:48:42 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview4 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 5af909df94aa7afb2aeb4897266883be On 29-Apr-98, Dan Oberley wrote: > I need a non-linear video editor. Have you considered a Draco? It is almost an Amiga (no AGA chips but runs AmigaOS 3.1) and the editing software is very highly rated by its users. I'm not sure where you buy one in the US but Steve Bowie at lightwrx@INTERLOG.COM will put you on the right track. Regards -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From jkrutz@meta.burner.com Thu, 30 Apr 98 13:32:05 MST X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2418 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 2426 (database) From: Jamie Krutz To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Evolution of Representational Tools Date: Thu, 30 Apr 98 21:32:00 Message-ID: <9804302032.AA0171a@meta.burner.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id TAA17919for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 19:51:51 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA12703for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 21:32:43 +0200 References: <3548207B.74CEF6DF@bigsky.net> X-NewsSoftware: GRn 2.1 Feb 19, 1994 MIME-Version: 1.0 Organization: The Back Burner BBS Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 8013bd6c1997af923e85e548aac6cdde In article <3548207B.74CEF6DF@bigsky.net> greenboy writes: > Jamie Krutz wrote: > >>>I may be a different breed than some sequencer users. I don't > >>>need it to hold my hand musically. I mostly need it to get out of > >>>the way and faithfully reproduce what I perform. > > Well I'm a real two-fisted man's man, and I don't need no damn > sequencer. I take out my chisel and my stone tablet and my songs are > the songs that make the whole world SPIT milk. And when I want to > build a world, why I engrave it right onto the tablet next to the > song, and I don't need no software to make that fancy 3D texture-mapped > semi-reflective, bathed-in-defused-light tomfoolery. I just draw me a > world -- Heh. Good one. If we design a chisel and stone interface for a new Amiga sequencer, it will surely RULE THE WORLD. :^) Speaking of self reliance: when I was growing up, we used to walk 10 miles through the snow barefoot, uphill both ways, carrying the horse and buggy because the horse was too lame to walk! :^) > -- greenboy Best Regards, -Jamie ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From jkrutz@meta.burner.com Thu, 30 Apr 98 13:24:45 MST X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2419 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2427 (database) From: Jamie Krutz To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> B&P's event lister Date: Thu, 30 Apr 98 21:24:00 Message-ID: <9804302024.AA01715@meta.burner.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id TAA17926for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 19:51:52 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA12716for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 21:32:56 +0200 References: <19980430.065833.11054.0.tc_silvey@juno.com> X-NewsSoftware: GRn 2.1 Feb 19, 1994 Organization: The Back Burner BBS Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 38df8feca5673b666eeb65cd430ed344 In article <19980430.065833.11054.0.tc_silvey@juno.com> tc_silvey@juno.com (troy silvey) writes: > >I don't think B&P's list has view options, but you're right, that > >would be nice. > > B&P does have an event lister/editor and it does have some > control to exclude some types of events while viewing. > It is a hard util to find in the menu's. I'd have to pull it up > and get to it myself to tell you how to do it. Check the manual > if you have it. if not, i'll look at it again. Yep, I have the manual, thanks for the tip. > troy Best Regards, -Jamie ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From ImJohn@worldnet.att.net Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:38:27 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 2418 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 2428 (database) From: John Rice To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16> Evolution of Representational Tools Date: Thu, 30 Apr 98 21:38:00 Message-ID: <3548E143.DF2DA495@worldnet.att.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id UAA18926for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 20:32:52 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA14676for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:13:46 +0200 Organization: Ib Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <35475907.72D44154@worldnet.att.net> <3548207B.74CEF6DF@bigsky.net> Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 00d4bc1baf7050b38dc7e6882e3fa814 greenboy wrote: Well I'm a real two-fisted man's man, and I don't need no damn > sequencer. I take out my chisel and my stone tablet and my songs are > the songs that make the whole world SPIT milk. And when I want to > build a world, why I engrave it right onto the tablet next to the > song, and I don't need no software to make that fancy 3D texture-mapped > semi-reflective, bathed-in-defused-light tomfoolery. I just draw me a > world -- > ROFL! ImJohn@worldnet.att.net .......I play drums. ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial) From onad@ao.net Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:59:08 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 2429 (database) From: Dan Oberley To: studio16 Subject: Re:Non-Linear Video Date: Thu, 30 Apr 98 12:59:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA19453for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 21:03:28 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA15400for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:44:32 +0200 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-Errors: kenny@bgnett.no X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no, put 'HELP' in body X-ARCHIVES: Aminet:docs/misc/Studio16MLmmyy.lha (mm=month, yy=year, eg 0198) X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-UIDL: 44f8b33ed7100bf55b8465ebb73b59bc Thanks for all the input everybody :) I still have a few questions about the Toaster/Flyer and V-lab motion. 1. Will i need a TBC to use the Toaster/Flyer? 2. How many Drives will i need? One for video and one for audio? 3. I have an A4000T with 12megs ram, is that enough ram? or will I need more? 4. Does the Toaster/Flyer have S-Video ins and outs? 5. how many audio tracks can i have? Can I edit them seperate from the video? Right now I just need S-video quality but, if things work out I'll need better. On the other hand, a V-Lab Motion maybe all i ever need. 6. Will I need a toccatta for V-Lab to get sound? Or is it built in? If not, will the two cards sync up tightly? I'd really Love to have a Toaster/Flyer. It depends on how much additional hardware I'll need. A great bonus is Lightwave!!! I use Imagine right now but, Lightwave looks much better. -- ******************************** Spider Byte Dan Oberley Studio's Winter Park, FL (407)740-6616 ******************************** ** The Studio 16 mailing list (unofficial)