From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Sat, 31 Jan 1998 08:52:32 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1549 (database) From: greenboy To: Rene' Schaap Subject: [S16] EXTRA! EXTRA! BRAIN VIRUS SPREADS . . . Date: Sat, 31 Jan 98 04:52:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id PAA03012for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 15:54:25 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA28681for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:51:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: b9803f9032da75267a35120bf6619404 Rene' Schaap's words on 01-Feb-98: >> >> VIRUS WARNING !!!!!! >> If you receive an email titled "JOIN THE CREW" DO NOT open it. >> It will erase everything on your hard drive. Forward this letter out to {Oooh, I'm afraid to open my email now! . . .} These warnings *ARE* the VIRUS! A bunch of people sending a bunch of largish, brain-draining email with blind intensity, sucking up hard drive space on servers all over the world, and eating up bandwidth. Its become a chain-letter scheme on most every ML I'm on, and in private email. I especially want Amiga people to think about it: what IBM-compatible executable is going to wipe out an Amiga? And how else would a piece of email "do" anything, except by having an attached file that you would execute. If your mailer executes all email attachments automatically -- well, I guess you already have a problem: You haven't established the proper dominant relationship with your software. -- *greenboy* // Team NO AMIGA TO WASTE: Help build programs Ami needs! \X/ AMIGA *http://thunderstorms.org/NATW* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Sat, 31 Jan 1998 10:29:52 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1551 (database) From: greenboy To: Kenny Nilsen Subject: Re: [S16] A4000 and GVP scsi host Date: Sat, 31 Jan 98 06:29:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA05080for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:33:05 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA29259for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 18:30:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: fa6caab4bc78356ad7513926844681f8 Kenny Nilsen's words on 31-Jan-98: greenboy (that's me!) wrote: >>>zorro II (GVP) scsi controller. >>Kenny, has that system ever been reliable for you? The GVP card gave me >>tons of grief and unreliability in both my 4000 and 2000 -- until I got >The card says HD8+ A4000, but in my A2000 it worked fine - in my A4000 it >waits ~30 seconds before booting if I use the IDE drives simultainously. I >don't have a boot jumper on the card which would solve that (as I have the >impression other gvp cards has). But you have had reliable recording and platback of multiple tracks, and no weird occurences; ie, stops recording without you stopping it manually? -- *greenboy* // Team NO AMIGA TO WASTE: Help build programs Ami needs! \X/ AMIGA *http://thunderstorms.org/NATW* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From tc_silvey@juno.com Sun, 30 Jan 2000 12:58:50 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1549 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1553 (database) From: troy silvey To: studio16 Subject: mail virus is a hoax Date: Sun, 30 Jan 0 18:58:01 Message-ID: <20000130.135536.4470.3.tc_silvey@juno.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA09926for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 18:45:59 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA29629for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 19:43:18 +0100 References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-15 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 6c3a7ea1bc9fc8ed6a3191779db1cd57 > VIRUS WARNING !!!!!! > If you receive an email titled "JOIN THE CREW" DO NOT open it. > It will erase everything on your hard drive. Forward this letter A complete hoax that has been floating around the internet for at least a year now. Some idiot on a news station in VA, USA made an erronious report about it recently and here we go again. Mail will not harm any machine. Only the attached programs, or documents that acompany the mail could possible pose a threat. And only then if you open the attached infected program or MS WORD doc. If you get stange mail with attachments, save the attachment and viro-scan it first. Or delete it completly. troy _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From Chad.Nikoletich@dns01.ops.usa.net Sat, 31 Jan 1998 11:11:59 +0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1530 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1554 (database) From: Chad Nikoletich To: studio16 Subject: Re: Amiga <-> PC connections... Date: Sat, 31 Jan 98 12:11:01 Message-ID: <19980131191526.24394.qmail@dns01.ops.usa.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id TAA13979for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 19:15:54 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA29821for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 20:13:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 5897dc3bff7a7d4d89452e4520963c02 > Does anyone know of Amiga software that allows access to shared Win95/NT > directories? > How about Amiga software that shares directories so that Windows can access > them. My setup which includes 2 A3K's and a P120 system etherneted together uses Samba on the Amiga and Tropic NFS server on the Win95 machine. >From the PC my amigas show up looking like NT servers when browsing. >From my amiga using the AmiTCP NFS client and running the tropic NFS server on the Win95 box I can see the Win95 disks. If you want the sources for these two packages or further info just let me know. Chad --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From jacob@iag.net Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:39:00 EST5EDT4,M4.1.0 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1534 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1556 (database) From: Jacob Ellis To: Serge A Guilbert Subject: Re: SMPTEout -Reply -Reply -Reply Date: Sat, 31 Jan 98 23:39:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id WAA19730for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 22:40:45 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA30723for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 23:37:38 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 65fc366060720b48373e27fa2eeb60d6 On 31-Jan-98, Serge A Guilbert wrote: >OK. I understand the Amiga synching with the genlock, but how does the Amiga >synch >with SMPTEOut? After all, SMPTEOut is a free-running module. A genlock is a device that synchronizes the Amiga with an external timing source. SMPTEout is not free running - it uses the Amiga for timing. Thus with a genlock you are able to have SMPTEout use an external timing signal. The possibility here is that this external signal may be more accurate over a longer period of time than your Amiga would be. >Sure, as long as the SMPTEOut's output is accurate, which is really what >started >this entire discussion in the first place, no? :>) SMPTEout's timing is only as accurate as your Amiga's timing. I have never had a problem with it. :) Jacob -- jacob@iag.net --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From gmula@nwlink.com Sat, 31 Jan 1998 15:39:46 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1524 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1557 (database) From: Gary Mula To: greenboy Subject: Re: [S16] Playback Channels A3000/25 Date: Sun, 1 Feb 98 00:39:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id XAA20969for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 23:41:57 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA31062for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 00:38:34 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: fb8ee1a7c99b29c5bf100f1bbcb9b8ab On 29-Jan-98, greenboy wrote: >Gord Clink's words on 30-Jan-98: >>Can anyone tell me how many play back channels I should be able to get with >>Stock 3000/25Mhz and Quantum 2.1GB FireBall SCSI drive with Studio16 Cache >>set to 512kb? (I'm using an 8k block size with OS3.1) I've got the same set up (my Fireball is a 1.2g) with 4meg of ram (w/2m chip). Using long samples as opposed to many small samples, I can get reliable playback of 7 tracks. The channel buffer in Studio16 must be set down to 256k. I suspect that (for me anyway) ram is the bottle neck that limits playback. There are two main prompts you will get when S16 decides it cannot handle the amount of tracks you have set. (Not word for word) "Stopping track___ IO Overload" "Stopping track___ Out of RAM" Setting your channel buffer to a higher value will ease up the IO overload if you have the ram available to do that. The scsi throughput and the amount of buffering are directly related. Studio 16 needs plenty of room in ram to keep things coming into and flushed out of memory before overworking your scsi interface. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Gary Mula / CALLEYE Productions / The Dutchman Singer-Songwriter / Producer Seattle, Washington, USA Team *AMIGA* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From sag@cae.ca Sun, 01 Feb 1998 01:37:25 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1564 (database) From: Serge A Guilbert To: studio16 Subject: Re: SMPTEout -Reply -Reply -Reply -Reply Date: Sun, 1 Feb 98 07:37:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id GAA27077for ; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 06:43:21 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA00114for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 07:40:45 +0100 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 8b9001d7185924e0374dfcf6c95fc9e4 Hello Jacob; -->A genlock is a device that synchronizes the Amiga with an external timing source. SMPTEout is not free running - it uses the Amiga for timing. Thus with a genlock you are able to have SMPTEout use an external timing signal. The possibility here is that this external signal may be more accurate over a longer period of time than your Amiga would be. I see. Thanks for the elucidation. :>) -->SMPTEout's timing is only as accurate as your Amiga's timing. I have never had a problem with it. :) Is this the same crystal which controls the date clock? My date keeps fluctuating randomly on a per bootup basis (sometimes ahead, sometimes behind), and I don't think it's the battery (changed it). If so, that might partly explain why it seems it's only MY SMPTEOut which is unreliable. Sounding off; Serge A. Guilbert, B.Eng CAE Electronics, Flight Simulators, Sound Group (514)341-6780 x4129 sag@cae.ca ________________________________________________________ A Wise Old Man Once Told Me: "Go Away!!!". And So, I Did ________________________________________________________ --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From kenny@bgnett.no 01 Feb 98 11:30:22 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1568 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: all Subject: Maestro Pro/S16 compatibility? (fwd) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 98 11:30:00 Message-ID: <156.336T1119T6903152@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id KAA00769for ; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 10:34:15 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA01051for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 11:31:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-URL: http://www.bgnett.no/~kenny/ X-INFO: Finger me for details X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 844591bd8eb4ee012a1fd02a1421ddda ============================================================================== This message is forwarded for Marcia McCarry. -- Kenny ..// SD ============================================================================== ============================================================================== From: Marcia McCarry To: kenny Subject: Maestro Pro/S16 compatibility? Date: Sun, 1 Feb 98 01:50:00 Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19980131063758.248f2998@mcn.net> Return-Path: Received: from missouri.mcn.net (root@missouri.mcn.net [204.212.170.3])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id WAA19004for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 22:00:07 GMT Received: from LOCALNAME (lspm01-015.mcn.net [205.163.47.15])by missouri.mcn.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA28155for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 14:59:57 -0700 (MST) X-Sender: mardean@mcn.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-UIDL: b3201c153913aec0e1e4f3313c0e1470 Kenny - I don't know how this works yet - you may post portions of this in the newsletter if you wish - I'll just send stuff to your automated system or whatever in the future. Do you know anything about the Maestro Pro digital I/O from Macrosystems? I'm thinking of buying one 2nd hand, but I have to act fast. I've located one 2nd hand - for approx $400.00 american. It has an RCA S/PDIF in and an optical in, but only an optical out. It's supposedly top quality, and enables you to back up your hard drive to audio DAT, among other things. They say it will work with anything that is AHI-compatible - such as Sound Studio, Audiolab 16, Samplitude Pro SMPTE, Play16 . . .etc. IS Studio 16 AHI-compatible? I am VERY interested in any potential upgrades, plug-ins, etc. to Studio 16 - such as time compression . . . ??? I am impressed with the sound quality, of the converters, the stability of the program, and it's useability with Bars & Pipes. However, I can't get the SMPTE out to export a SMPTE audio signal through the right RCA output on my AD516 card, which works fine otherwise. Seems like a software glitch rather than a hardware thing. Do you know how I could get help with this? Sincerely, Dean Anderson From kenny@bgnett.no 01 Feb 98 11:22:21 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1551 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1569 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: greenboy Subject: Re: [S16] A4000 and GVP scsi host Date: Sun, 1 Feb 98 11:22:00 Message-ID: <201.336T1085T6823298@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id KAA00770for ; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 10:34:15 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA01060for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 11:32:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: e7e328bae4413794bbf6d57f4fa480bc greenboy wrote: >But you have had reliable recording and platback of multiple tracks, and no >weird occurences; ie, stops recording without you stopping it manually? No such problems here. - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From kenny@bgnett.no 01 Feb 98 11:50:24 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1509 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1570 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Kenny Nilsen Subject: Re: AHI Filesaver Date: Sun, 1 Feb 98 11:50:00 Message-ID: <161.336T1215T7103268@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id OAA01865for ; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 14:08:01 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA02076for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 15:05:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: efc6d001d5c15c96aea3d0a8ceb6d324 >The AHI filesaver I have mentioned a while back is now available from Martin > http://www.lysator.liu.se/~lcs/ Look under "Latest bug fixes". - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From dhomas@youngmonkey.ca Sun, 01 Feb 1998 11:20:10 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1568 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1571 (database) From: dhomas trenn To: Marcia McCarry or Dean Anderson Subject: Maestro Pro/S16 compatibility? (fwd) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 98 17:20:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id PAA03458for ; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 15:21:50 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA02550for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 16:19:14 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: young monkey studios MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 2bd368dd63b699ad0483bc79d6fc1674 Marcia McCarry or Dean Anderson, I'm waiting for your email address from Kenny (since it wasn't in the post). But since you mentioned you were in a hurry... I can get you a NEW Maestro Pro for less than the US$400 for the USED one you mentioned. I can also answer your other questions too... I'll be in touch when Kenny gets back to me. -- dhomas. ********************************************************************** * * * young monkey studios EMail: dhomas@youngmonkey.ca * * ---------------- WWW: http://www.youngmonkey.ca/ * * dhomas trenn * * Snail: 797 Mitchell Street * * Fredericton, NB * * Phone: (506) 459-7088 CANADA E3B 3S8 * * * ********************************************************************** --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From creger@neumedia.net Sun, 01 Feb 1998 14:05:55 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1571 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1572 (database) From: Chris Reger To: dhomas trenn Subject: Re: Maestro Pro/S16 compatibility? (fwd) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 98 10:05:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id TAA08285for ; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 19:10:09 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA03737for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 20:06:25 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 011542dc35db348a80d8ef7cf047b0f9 Hey what is this Maestro Pro? Is it better than the AD516? What software comes with it? I may be interested....... On 01-Feb-98, dhomas trenn wrote: Marcia McCarry or Dean Anderson, I'm waiting for your email address from Kenny (since it wasn't in the post). But since you mentioned you were in a hurry... I can get you a NEW Maestro Pro for less than the US$400 for the USED one you mentioned. I can also answer your other questions too... I'll be in touch when Kenny gets back to me. -- dhomas. ********************************************************************** * * * young monkey studios EMail: dhomas@youngmonkey.ca * * ---------------- WWW: http://www.youngmonkey.ca/ * * dhomas trenn * * Snail: 797 Mitchell Street * * Fredericton, NB * * Phone: (506) 459-7088 CANADA E3B 3S8 * * * ********************************************************************** --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From dhomas@youngmonkey.ca Sun, 01 Feb 1998 16:00:54 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1572 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1573 (database) From: dhomas trenn To: Chris Reger Subject: Why MaestroPro? -and- Using it in conjunction with Studio16. Date: Sun, 1 Feb 98 22:00:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id UAA09547for ; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 20:01:53 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA04059for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 20:59:14 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: young monkey studios MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 405101eba07b4c22074f6badfa6d66df Chris spoke and whirled like a Dervish divine: > Hey what is this Maestro Pro? Is it better than the AD516? What software comes Well better in that it is full digital in/out... it has NO analog connectors at all. This means ZERO noise added when recording - it's digital. Great if you want to do full digital transfers of audio from CD to create your own CDs. It comes with its own software (similar to Studio16 - not as good though) called Samplitude (development now taken over by a new company). I'll be using the card in combination with the AD516s like this: 1) Record audio to DAT - much higher quality than digitizing with AD516. 2) Digital transfer from DAT to Amiga via MaestroPro 3) Convert to Studio16 file format 4) Edit and audition with AD516 and Studio16. 5) Mix down to stereo tracks. 6) Convert back to MaestroPro format 7) Digitally transfer back to DAT master via MaestroPro. SUPER QUALITY all the way. It also has backup software which will allow you to do backups to audio DAT recorders. Most importantly, unlike the AD516, it is supported by the upcoming ProStation audio system. Which from what I'm finding out is going to be the #1 audio software for the Amiga. The card is supported by AHI and also maestix as well. One of the best things about this is that you can use the freeware maestix software to remove or add SCMS digital copy protection. This software can also perform many real-time effects including Karaoke (voice removal) and many other neeto things. I think these cards were originally over US$1000 new. If you are serious about purchasing one... I can give you more details. Please email me directly with questions. -- dhomas. ********************************************************************** * * * young monkey studios EMail: dhomas@youngmonkey.ca * * ---------------- WWW: http://www.youngmonkey.ca/ * * dhomas trenn * * Snail: 797 Mitchell Street * * Fredericton, NB * * Phone: (506) 459-7088 CANADA E3B 3S8 * * * ********************************************************************** --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From thalfman@viser.net Sun, 01 Feb 1998 11:59:49 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1557 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1574 (database) From: Travis Halfman To: Gary Mula Subject: Re: [S16] Playback Channels Date: Sun, 1 Feb 98 07:59:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id UAA09638for ; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 20:06:38 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA04094for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 21:04:08 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Voyager Internet Services MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: cae15fda2f5f85c1e3d17cc5c431d956 On 01-Feb-98, Gary Mula wrote: >Setting your channel buffer to a higher value will ease up the IO >overload if you have the ram available to do that. The scsi >throughput and the amount of buffering are directly related. >Studio 16 needs plenty of room in ram to keep things coming into >and flushed out of memory before overworking your scsi interface. Have you or anyone else experimented with larger channel buffer sizes? I have more than enough RAM for 1mg each channel, but as per the Studio 16 manuals, it suggests having it set that high isn't always beneficial. Why? Thanks, Travis Halfman thalfman@viser.net --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From masquith@erols.com 1 Feb 98 16:02:26 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1573 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1575 (database) From: Mike Masquith To: studio16 Subject: Re: Why MaestroPro? -and- Using it in conjunction with Studio16. Date: Sun, 1 Feb 98 12:02:00 Message-ID: <34D49C92.MD-0.198.masquith@erols.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA11166for ; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 21:05:12 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA04449for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 22:02:17 +0100 Organization: Barkin' Beaver Studios Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS 0.198 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: b6018de80f75ac3f64437705d5253f88 > Chris spoke and whirled like a Dervish divine: > > > Hey what is this Maestro Pro? Is it better than the AD516? What software > comes > > Well better in that it is full digital in/out... it has NO analog > connectors at all. This means ZERO noise added when recording - it's > digital. Great if you want to do full digital transfers of audio from > CD to create your own CDs. Be careful! I'm pretty sure the Maestro Pro has only an in or an out, NOT both! It's the reason I don't have one, because it doesn't have both. If you are SURE it has both a S/PDIF digital IN *and* an S/PDIF digital OUT, then my info is wrong, and I want to buy one too! -- -Mike Masquith, Barkin' Beaver Studios, VA, USA --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From dhomas@youngmonkey.ca Sun, 01 Feb 1998 17:33:02 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1575 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1576 (database) From: dhomas trenn To: Mike Masquith Subject: Re: Why MaestroPro? -and- Using it in conjunction with Studio16. Date: Sun, 1 Feb 98 23:33:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA12143for ; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 21:33:43 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA04644for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 22:31:18 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: young monkey studios MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: c4f30b185ed16f38b930586502c073e9 Mike spoke and whirled like a Dervish divine: You are right and wrong... > Be careful! I'm pretty sure the Maestro Pro has only an in or an out, > NOT both! It's the reason I don't have one, because it doesn't have > both. Up to here, you are wrong, it has both IN and OUT... but, then you go on to say... > If you are SURE it has both a S/PDIF digital IN *and* an S/PDIF > digital OUT, then my info is wrong, and I want to buy one too! Which makes you right, too... It has TWO digital INs and one digital OUT. There is a COAXIAL IN and an OPTICAL IN. The OUT is OPTICAL. This is fine for most applications. The only device I have that doesn't have optical connectors is my portable DAT deck. My CD players, full size DAT, DAC and amplifier all have OPTICAL connectors (or both COAXIAL and OPTICAL). If you need a COAXIAL OUT... you can get coverters. -- dhomas. ********************************************************************** * * * young monkey studios EMail: dhomas@youngmonkey.ca * * ---------------- WWW: http://www.youngmonkey.ca/ * * dhomas trenn * * Snail: 797 Mitchell Street * * Fredericton, NB * * Phone: (506) 459-7088 CANADA E3B 3S8 * * * ********************************************************************** --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From turk@gulftel.com Sun, 01 Feb 1998 15:52:00 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1573 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1577 (database) From: CMM To: dhomas trenn Subject: Re: Why MaestroPro? -and- Using it in conjunction with Studio16. Date: Sun, 1 Feb 98 22:52:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA12806for ; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 21:56:03 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA04765for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 22:53:54 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: CMM MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 3800035d22c57374e484200a6b9ebf7e dhomas, What is the scoop on these cards? Price, etc? regards, Lee On 01-Feb-98, dhomas trenn wrote: >Chris spoke and whirled like a Dervish divine: >> Hey what is this Maestro Pro? Is it better than the AD516? What software >comes >Well better in that it is full digital in/out... it has NO analog >connectors at all. This means ZERO noise added when recording - it's >digital. Great if you want to do full digital transfers of audio from >CD to create your own CDs. >It comes with its own software (similar to Studio16 - not as good >though) called Samplitude (development now taken over by a new >company). >I'll be using the card in combination with the AD516s like this: >1) Record audio to DAT - much higher quality than digitizing with > AD516. >2) Digital transfer from DAT to Amiga via MaestroPro >3) Convert to Studio16 file format >4) Edit and audition with AD516 and Studio16. >5) Mix down to stereo tracks. >6) Convert back to MaestroPro format >7) Digitally transfer back to DAT master via MaestroPro. >SUPER QUALITY all the way. >It also has backup software which will allow you to do backups to audio >DAT recorders. >Most importantly, unlike the AD516, it is supported by the upcoming >ProStation audio system. Which from what I'm finding out is going to >be the #1 audio software for the Amiga. >The card is supported by AHI and also maestix as well. One of the best >things about this is that you can use the freeware maestix software to >remove or add SCMS digital copy protection. This software can also >perform many real-time effects including Karaoke (voice removal) and >many other neeto things. >I think these cards were originally over US$1000 new. >If you are serious about purchasing one... I can give you more details. >Please email me directly with questions. >-- >dhomas. >********************************************************************** >* * > * young monkey studios EMail: dhomas@youngmonkey.ca * > * ---------------- WWW: http://www.youngmonkey.ca/ * > * dhomas trenn * > * Snail: 797 Mitchell Street * > * Fredericton, NB * > * Phone: (506) 459-7088 CANADA E3B 3S8 * >* * >********************************************************************** >--- >*** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From turk@gulftel.com Sun, 01 Feb 1998 15:56:01 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1573 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1578 (database) From: CMM To: dhomas trenn Subject: Re: Why MaestroPro? -and- Using it in conjunction with Studio16. Date: Sun, 1 Feb 98 22:56:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA12842for ; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 21:59:23 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA04791for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 22:57:17 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: CMM MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 11cf318e213e07fb4bb3e02ed181a6de Also do these cards have digital in and out, obvioulsly there is some question about this? regards, Lee dhomas, What is the scoop on these cards? Price, etc? regards, Lee On 01-Feb-98, dhomas trenn wrote: >Chris spoke and whirled like a Dervish divine: >> Hey what is this Maestro Pro? Is it better than the AD516? What software >comes >Well better in that it is full digital in/out... it has NO analog >connectors at all. This means ZERO noise added when recording - it's >digital. Great if you want to do full digital transfers of audio from >CD to create your own CDs. >It comes with its own software (similar to Studio16 - not as good >though) called Samplitude (development now taken over by a new >company). >I'll be using the card in combination with the AD516s like this: >1) Record audio to DAT - much higher quality than digitizing with > AD516. >2) Digital transfer from DAT to Amiga via MaestroPro >3) Convert to Studio16 file format >4) Edit and audition with AD516 and Studio16. >5) Mix down to stereo tracks. >6) Convert back to MaestroPro format >7) Digitally transfer back to DAT master via MaestroPro. >SUPER QUALITY all the way. >It also has backup software which will allow you to do backups to audio >DAT recorders. >Most importantly, unlike the AD516, it is supported by the upcoming >ProStation audio system. Which from what I'm finding out is going to >be the #1 audio software for the Amiga. >The card is supported by AHI and also maestix as well. One of the best >things about this is that you can use the freeware maestix software to >remove or add SCMS digital copy protection. This software can also >perform many real-time effects including Karaoke (voice removal) and >many other neeto things. >I think these cards were originally over US$1000 new. >If you are serious about purchasing one... I can give you more details. >Please email me directly with questions. >-- >dhomas. >********************************************************************** >* * > * young monkey studios EMail: dhomas@youngmonkey.ca * > * ---------------- WWW: http://www.youngmonkey.ca/ * > * dhomas trenn * > * Snail: 797 Mitchell Street * > * Fredericton, NB * > * Phone: (506) 459-7088 CANADA E3B 3S8 * >* * >********************************************************************** >--- >*** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From dhomas@youngmonkey.ca Sun, 01 Feb 1998 18:34:16 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1581 (database) From: dhomas trenn To: studio16 Subject: If you want a NEW Maestro Pro for cheap... Date: Mon, 2 Feb 98 00:34:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id WAA13659for ; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 22:34:51 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA05120for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 23:32:35 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: young monkey studios MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: d85d0c21fde3da1c8f6767f2c6d3240c Well, I didn't expect to get so many emails about the Maestro Pro. Sorry Kenny! I'd like to take this out of the Studio 16 list... so if you are seriously interested in buying a NEW Maestro Pro email me directly at: sales@youngmonkey.ca or dhomas@youngmonkey.ca I'll put together some details about the card, the included software and other fun stuff... and the price (determined by how many people want them) < US$400. If you have specific questions, send them directly to me please. -- dhomas. ********************************************************************** * * * young monkey studios EMail: dhomas@youngmonkey.ca * * ---------------- WWW: http://www.youngmonkey.ca/ * * dhomas trenn * * Snail: 797 Mitchell Street * * Fredericton, NB * * Phone: (506) 459-7088 CANADA E3B 3S8 * * * ********************************************************************** --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From skuba@flash.net 01 Feb 98 14:49:49 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1492 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1583 (database) From: Craig Blackman To: Kenny Nilsen Subject: Re: [S16] AHI Expectations AD516 Date: Sun, 1 Feb 98 22:49:00 Message-ID: <1379.336T2455T8894554@flash.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id XAA15452for ; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 23:24:22 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA05498for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 00:22:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: b0e08a8d00af8945e1b2f5a928826593 On 28-Jan-98 01:21:36, Re: [S16] AHI Expectations AD516, Kenny Nilsen wrote: >Ben Fuller wrote: >>AHI does not provide a mechanism for SMPTE timecode, therefore that >>feature of the AD516 will not be available. >No need for that in AHI either, but is there possible to have >something that can 'monitor' SMPTE - is there a offset in the library >base we could use for that ? Just curious. >>My current analysis of AHI indicates that the following should be >>feasible: >>- Playback of up to eight channels of 16 bit-mono samples with >>volume and pan. >>- Monitor input channels. >>- Record of up to four channels of 16 bit-mono samples (2 inputs and >>2 outputs). >>- Selectable playback/record sample frequency limited to common >>frequencies. >Having an AHI driver that could do this would be very useful indeed. I agree and would be willing to pay for it. Cheers, _____________________________________________________________ Craig Blackman | 3000T & 3640 in PC Tower, ADOS 3.1 mailto:skuba-NOSPAM-@flash.net | 50Megs, CV 64, GVP I/O, Fusion/Emp Tucson, Arizona | FastLane Z3, AD 516, Syq 270 (Remove -NOSPAM- from adress) "Everyone is entitled to my opinion." ------------------------------------------------------------------- If you couldn't read, you couldn't look up what was on television. --From "Leave it to Beaver" --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From masquith@erols.com 1 Feb 98 19:19:25 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1576 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1584 (database) From: Mike Masquith To: studio16 Subject: Re: Why MaestroPro? -and- Using it in conjunction with Studio16. Date: Sun, 1 Feb 98 15:19:00 Message-ID: <34D4CABD.MD-0.198.masquith@erols.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id AAA17148for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 00:22:39 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA05847for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 01:20:08 +0100 Organization: Barkin' Beaver Studios Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS 0.198 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 192eb58e6d355de541e82907bacce89c Dhomas wrote: > Which makes you right, too... It has TWO digital INs and one digital > OUT. There is a COAXIAL IN and an OPTICAL IN. The OUT is OPTICAL. Thanks for clearing that up. I have a Tascam DA-30 Mark2 which sports: Coaxial in/out (RCA connectors) AES/EBU in/out (XLR connectors) and an Alesis ADAT with optical connectors (but using a proprietary data format to deal with 8 tracks). What I'd really like to see is a board just like the WaveCenter (for PC). Check out http://www.frontierdesign.com/ ... this is the board I need. Wish we could convince them to make an Amiga version. > If you need a COAXIAL OUT... you can get coverters. I'm probably going to wait for awhile in the hopes a board that's actually still in production grows some digital I/O, or a new board comes along with the connections I need. But just for curiosity sake, do you know a ballpark price for this converter? Thanks a bunch! -- -Mike Masquith, Barkin' Beaver Studios, VA, USA --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From brandib@wilson.ca Sun, 01 Feb 1998 21:14:35 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1557 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1585 (database) From: Brandi Brisson To: Gary Mula Subject: Re: [S16] Playback Channels A3000/25 Date: Mon, 2 Feb 98 04:14:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id DAA21280for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 03:15:25 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA06887for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 04:12:54 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: ff960b531193d93f4e00d06d74645799 On 31-Jan-98, Gary Mula wrote: >I've got the same set up (my Fireball is a 1.2g) with 4meg of ram >(w/2m chip). Using long samples as opposed to many small samples, >I can get reliable playback of 7 tracks. The channel buffer in >Studio16 must be set down to 256k. OK, can you be more detailed as to how you have your system configured? I can only get three channels to play on my system. When I try to play the 4th, it errors out with the I/O error. According to SYSINFO, my hard drive transfers 1.75MB/Sec. When I had the AD516 installed in my 2000 w/DKB Rapid Fire SCSI, SYSINFO said I was getting 1.5MB/Sec transfer, and I was able to play back 6 tracks. (although I was using 1MB buffers). If I could get 7 tracks with 256k buffers, like you say your getting, then I should beable to get 8 tracks with 512kb. Gord Clink --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From gmula@nwlink.com Mon, 02 Feb 1998 00:22:37 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1585 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1586 (database) From: Gary Mula To: Brandi Brisson Subject: Re: [S16] Playback Channels A3000/25 Date: Mon, 2 Feb 98 09:22:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id IAA27261for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:24:15 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA08045for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:21:22 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 87329133a7738fd192aa4bc8d2f7185e On 01-Feb-98, Brandi Brisson wrote: >OK, can you be more detailed as to how you have your system configured? My drive is a Fireball 1280S, ver630C ,2 partitions- 1001m for recording formatted with BigBlocks -International FFS, and a 220m for Audio system software using Amiga Dos format -International FFS According to SYSINFO, my 1001m partition transfers 2.17MB/Sec. I am using 60 buffers. ICache - On DCache - On IBurst - On DBurst - Off This is a stock 3000 68030, FPU 68881, MMU disabled, using the built in scsi controller. Amiga Dos 3.1 was added The 4m of RAM is 32Bit Local I purchased the 3000 from a friend last August. He wasn't using it much, in fact he really never got very adept at setting up computers, so except for having 3.1 installed and my putting the Fireball in, I think it's a pretty stock set up. My main computer is a 4000 that I have put considerable more time and money into to get performance, yet the 3000 has proven itself time and again to be a solid work horse. Let me know if there is something I have left out here. -=gary=- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Gary Mula / CALLEYE Productions / The Dutchman Singer-Songwriter / Producer Seattle, Washington, USA Team *AMIGA* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From gmula@nwlink.com Mon, 02 Feb 1998 00:27:55 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1585 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1587 (database) From: Gary Mula To: Brandi Brisson Subject: Re: [S16] Playback Channels A3000/25 Date: Mon, 2 Feb 98 09:27:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id IAA27436for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:28:39 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA08096for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:26:37 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 453c4c57a61ec8c8db47eb683bde0c90 Sorry Gord, I zapped off that last one and then realized the header "On __ _______ wrote" wasn't credited to you. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Gary Mula / CALLEYE Productions / The Dutchman Singer-Songwriter / Producer Seattle, Washington, USA Team *AMIGA* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From benfuller@msn.com Mon, 2 Feb 1998 01:12:24 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1588 (database) From: Ben Fuller To: studio16 Subject: Re: [S16] Playback Channels A3000/25 Date: Mon, 2 Feb 98 10:12:00 Message-ID: <001601bd2fba$d90be5a0$0300000a@portaben> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id JAA29140for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:13:49 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA08352for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:11:45 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: d6f4628f90efcce12f4137d023ac1e38 Gord Clink recently wrote: >OK, can you be more detailed as to how you have your system configured? I can >only get three channels to play on my system. When I try to play the 4th, it >errors out with the I/O error. According to SYSINFO, my hard drive transfers >1.75MB/Sec. When I had the AD516 installed in my 2000 w/DKB Rapid Fire SCSI, >SYSINFO said I was getting 1.5MB/Sec transfer, and I was able to play back 6 >tracks. (although I was using 1MB buffers). If I could get 7 tracks with 256k >buffers, like you say your getting, then I should beable to get 8 tracks with >512kb. Pardon me for jumping in here... My a3000 has finally returned to 'operational' status and I was able to run a battery of performance tests, the results of which you may find interesting. I was able to playback 8 tracks continuously. I am using an a3000/25 with 10M ram (2M chip) connecting to an old Seagate ST41650 1.3 G scsi hard disk via the a3000 scsi controller. The channel buffer size is set to 512K. The hard disk has reselection enabled. The partition is using a blocksize of 8192 bytes. The DMA Mask for the partition is set to 0x7FFFFFFE. The Max Transfer for the partition is set to 0x00FFFFFF Addbuffers reports the partition has 32 buffers Diskspeed 4.2 reports a read speed of ~2.2M/s with 70% CPU available. There were 8 separate samples played back using the cuelist. The samples were recently sampled or copied to the partition. The samples have not been edited. Initially, I had the channel buffer size set to 256k, and one channel would consistently drop out. During the test the hard disk activity led would often go out for a second or two, indicating the channel buffers were being kept full during playback. Doing the math shows that a hard disk able to push one megabyte per second is sufficient for supplying sample data for eight-track playback. ((88200 sample bytes x 8 channels) x 1.5 overhead) = 1,058,400 bytes/second. However, once the sample data is in memory, there must be enough bandwidth available for the processor to read the data from the disk buffer and write it to the audio card. ((88200 sample bytes x 8 channels) x 2) = 1,411,200 bytes/second. Ben. --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From kenny@bgnett.no 02 Feb 98 11:04:42 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1574 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1589 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Travis Halfman Subject: Re: [S16] Playback Channels Date: Mon, 2 Feb 98 11:04:00 Message-ID: <507.337T2134T6644547@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id LAA07152for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:59:28 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA09097for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:56:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 7f260a8fb7ac98d098e31f47fd7be635 Travis Halfman wrote: >have more than enough RAM for 1mg each channel, but as per the Studio 16 >manuals, it suggests having it set that high isn't always beneficial. Why? The reason is that the buffers need to be filled up and while filling them up the CPU get loaded which mean if the buffer is too large it may not be enough (CPU) time for the other tasks. Then you get glitches. The difference is also more noticable on non-DMA cards (which loads the CPU more) compared to DMA based cards. - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From tc_silvey@juno.com Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:46:58 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1588 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1590 (database) From: troy silvey To: studio16 Subject: IDE compatible and fast enough? Date: Mon, 2 Feb 98 14:46:01 Message-ID: <19980202.084701.17614.0.tc_silvey@juno.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id NAA11452for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:49:41 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA09588for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:47:09 +0100 References: <001601bd2fba$d90be5a0$0300000a@portaben> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-8 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 1babdee80cfa01cd295ee17327a272a4 I'd like to get an IDE interface for my 3000/040. I can easily upgrade my recording space using cheaper IDE drives. But, will IDE be fast enough? is S16 going to care if it's an IDE or SCSI drive I'm using? I already use IDE on my toaster system, but that's a different animal. Any guidance? thanks troy _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From jacob@iag.net Mon, 02 Feb 1998 10:23:57 EST5EDT4,M4.1.0 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1590 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1591 (database) From: Jacob Ellis To: troy silvey Subject: Re: IDE compatible and fast enough? Date: Mon, 2 Feb 98 16:23:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id PAA14893for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:24:48 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA10157for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:22:23 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: ead3778ef521d4e50349f1363c1a0b2c On 02-Feb-98, troy silvey wrote: >I'd like to get an IDE interface for my 3000/040. >I can easily upgrade my recording space using >cheaper IDE drives. But, will IDE be fast enough? >is S16 going to care if it's an IDE or SCSI drive >I'm using? I already use IDE on my toaster system, >but that's a different animal. Any guidance? Troy, don't bother with IDE. The extra expense of SCSI drives is less than what it would cost to buy an IDE interface for your A3000. Since you have an 040, any Zorro2 harddrive controller will take a large performance hit. There are no Zorro3 IDE controllers. You wouldn't replace your 040 with an 030 because the 030 is cheaper? You already have SCSI, take advantage of it. :) Jacob -- jacob@iag.net --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From gclink@dryden.net Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:52:24 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1592 (database) From: Gord Clink To: 'studio16@thule.no' Subject: RE: [S16] Playback Channels A3000/25 Date: Mon, 2 Feb 98 16:52:00 Message-ID: <01BD2FC0.4465F200@gclink.avenor.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id QAA16580for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:10:14 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA10398for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:07:56 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: bastionhost.avenor.com: Host [10.100.240.153] claimed to be gclink.avenor.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id RAA10396 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: a432d4703763e7db6912bd0594d72deb Ben Fuller recently wrote: >Pardon me for jumping in here... >My a3000 has finally returned to 'operational' status and I was >able to run >a battery of performance tests, the results of which you may find >interesting. >I was able to playback 8 tracks continuously. I am using an >a3000/25 with >10M ram (2M chip) connecting to an old Seagate ST41650 1.3 G >scsi hard disk >via the a3000 scsi controller. >The channel buffer size is set to 512K. >The hard disk has reselection enabled. >The partition is using a blocksize of 8192 bytes. >The DMA Mask for the partition is set to 0x7FFFFFFE. >The Max Transfer for the partition is set to 0x00FFFFFF >Addbuffers reports the partition has 32 buffers >Diskspeed 4.2 reports a read speed of ~2.2M/s with 70% CPU >available. >There were 8 separate samples played back using the cuelist. >The samples were recently sampled or copied to the partition. >The samples have not been edited. Thanks Ben... This is very helpful. Could you tell me what WD SCSI chip revision you are using? Do you have the latest version 8? Also, could termination problems cause slower access? Gord Clink --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Mon, 02 Feb 1998 09:32:11 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1593 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: Re: [S16] IDE compatible and fast enough? Date: Mon, 2 Feb 98 18:32:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id QAA17441for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:34:41 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA10661for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:32:31 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id RAA10658 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: a793860906251856ba363ff0aeae20bf On 02-Feb-98, troy silvey wrote: >>I'd like to get an IDE interface for my 3000/040. >>I can easily upgrade my recording space using >>cheaper IDE drives. But, will IDE be fast enough? >>is S16 going to care if it's an IDE or SCSI drive 02-Feb-98, Jacob Ellis: >The extra expense of SCSI drives is less than what it would >cost to buy an IDE interface for your A3000. >Since you have an 040, any Zorro2 harddrive controller will >take a large performance hit. There are no Zorro3 IDE controllers. >You already have SCSI, take advantage of it. :) SCSI controllers (the circuitry you see on the bottom of the drive) and SCSI hosts (the card or motherboard circuitry) seem to be able to multithread (read and write multiple threads "simultaneously") better than their IDE equivalents. I'm guessing that the IDEs will pull more CPU time during transfers. Warranty periods are usually 5 year on top-gun SCSI drives, 3 on IDE. Hmmm. This in spite of the fact that top EIDEs (E=enhanced) run at 5400 rpm and top SCSIs at 7200, 8750, even 10,500 rpm for the latest ultras. Nothing that I've ever seen cares whether it is reading data off an IDE drive or a SCSI drive. On an A4000 with a new generation EIDE, one can expect pretty good performance (the motherboard's IDE design being the bottleneck), but loads down when asked to multithread. -- *greenboy* NO AMIGA TO WASTE: http://thunderstorms.org/NATW // Team Phillip K Dick, William Gibson, Bruce Sterling, David \X/ AMIGA Brin, Neal Stephenson, Vernor Vinge, Kim Stanley Robinson --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From tc_silvey@juno.com Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:05:34 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1593 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1594 (database) From: troy silvey To: studio16 Subject: Re: [S16] IDE compatible and fast enough? Date: Mon, 2 Feb 98 19:05:00 Message-ID: <19980202.131056.10806.0.tc_silvey@juno.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA20706for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:24:04 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA11314for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:21:21 +0100 References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-4 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 56f60a425fe159c75d042489bc289f8f >equivalents. I'm guessing that the IDEs will pull more CPU time during so my old onboard SCSI is still better than a new zorro II IDE? troy _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From tc_silvey@juno.com Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:10:48 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1593 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1595 (database) From: troy silvey To: studio16 Subject: Re: [S16] IDE compatible and fast enough? Date: Mon, 2 Feb 98 19:10:00 Message-ID: <19980202.131056.10806.1.tc_silvey@juno.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA20758for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:25:40 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA11348for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:23:42 +0100 References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-13 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: b1a7a5bc531eccbcfcb7659ff23720a4 >The extra expense of SCSI drives is less than what it would >cost to buy an IDE interface for your A3000. >Since you have an 040, any Zorro2 harddrive controller will >take a large performance hit. There are no Zorro3 IDE controllers. >You already have SCSI, take advantage of it. :) But the onboard SCSI on the 3000 is just an intergrated 2091 (Zorro II) isn't it? Our saying old onboard SCSI is better than a new IDE? I have a 1.2 EIDE ready to go. Just add a $80 IDE card and i"m ready to go. What about Updating my WD scsi chip? WiIl updating the WD scsi controller gain me any thing? troy _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From doncox@enterprise.net Mon, 02 Feb 1998 10:35:43 -0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1584 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1596 (database) From: Don Cox To: Mike Masquith Subject: Re: Why MaestroPro? -and- Using it in conjunction with Studio16. Date: Mon, 2 Feb 98 11:35:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA21209for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:41:16 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA11513for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:39:14 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 4008865e517c9eb6d0ce9b296ff96b22 On 01-Feb-98, Mike Masquith wrote: >> If you need a COAXIAL OUT... you can get coverters. >I'm probably going to wait for awhile in the hopes a board that's >actually still in production grows some digital I/O, or a new board >comes along with the connections I need. There was talk of a digital I/O for the Prelude board. The other possibility might be a driver for an ISA PC board for use with Boxer or Golden Gate. I don't know whether the bus speed would be sufficient in this case. There will probably be Amigas with PCI slots next year, but drivers still have to be written. -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From doncox@enterprise.net Mon, 02 Feb 1998 10:59:31 -0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1588 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1597 (database) From: Don Cox To: Ben Fuller Subject: Re: [S16] Playback Channels A3000/25 Date: Mon, 2 Feb 98 11:59:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA21214for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:41:19 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA11516for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:39:21 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 0754a401c767210d68564c269b5a1147 On 02-Feb-98, Ben Fuller wrote: >My a3000 has finally returned to 'operational' status and I was able to run >a battery of performance tests, the results of which you may find >interesting. Thanks a lot. This is something to print out and pin up on the wall. -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From sag@cae.ca Mon, 02 Feb 1998 14:44:03 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1598 (database) From: Serge A Guilbert To: studio16 Subject: Re: [S16] Playback Channels -Reply Date: Mon, 2 Feb 98 20:44:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id TAA23362for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:55:11 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA12099for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:52:13 +0100 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 4c937061d2a1e625d99c579c0c271630 Hello Travis -->Have you or anyone else experimented with larger channel buffer sizes? I have -->more than enough RAM for 1mg each channel, but as per the Studio 16 manuals, -->it suggests having it set that high isn't always beneficial. Why? I have enough RAM in my A2000 to run each channel on 4MB, but I've found it's not really practical. The reason is that it takes too long to finish playing once you've pressed the Stop button. On my system, Studio16 gets a bit nervous if you try to press the Play button before all tracks have finished playing. Tracks will be left unassigned, Studio16 might lock up, or the system itself might crash. Not always a pretty sight, so it's best to let it empty out the buffers, and finish playing. As a consequence, I usually stay at 2MB per track (or even 1MB sometimes). The tradeoff is more frequent access to the SCSI drive, but if your SCSI controller, and HDs are fast enough, you shouldn't notice a problem. Sounding off; Serge A. Guilbert, B.Eng CAE Electronics, Flight Simulators, Sound Group (514)341-6780 x4129 sag@cae.ca ________________________________________________________ A Wise Old Man Once Told Me: "Go Away!!!". And So, I Did ________________________________________________________ --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From benfuller@msn.com Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:58:11 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1599 (database) From: Ben Fuller To: studio16 Subject: Re: [S16] IDE compatible and fast enough? Date: Mon, 2 Feb 98 21:58:00 Message-ID: <007701bd301d$459947a0$d041a8c0@ben200.macromedia.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id UAA25020for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:56:35 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA12514for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:54:07 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 2c9b7415aedafd4b4e316f4c8b7d3e9e Troy Silvey recently wrote: >But the onboard SCSI on the 3000 is just an intergrated >2091 (Zorro II) isn't it? Our saying old onboard SCSI is >better than a new IDE? I have a 1.2 EIDE ready to go. Just add >a $80 IDE card and i"m ready to go. >What about Updating my WD scsi chip? WiIl updating the WD >scsi controller gain me any thing? The a3000 is not just an integrated 2091. It does use the same scsi chip, but the similarities end there. First of all the fact that it is an integrated component with direct access to motherboard resources gives a huge advantage over any zorro (II or III) plug in scsi card. The DMA controller in the a3000 is capable of burst transfers to motherboard memory. Unless things have changed drastically, most Amiga IDE controllers use programmed IO rather than DMA to transfer the data to/from the hard disk. This means the CPU ends up doing all the work that would have been handled by the DMAC. Even if the IDE cards are capable of performing DMA, a Zorro II card in an a3000 will most likely suffer the same performance problems affecting a 2091 in an a3000 or a4000 -- There is usually no memory (other than chip ram) in the Zorro II memory space, which will either force the transfer to be buffered through chip ram or force the use of programmed IO -- either way, disk performance will suck dead frogs through cheap plastic straws... There is also the possibility that the IDE hard disk may not be capable of DMA operations... With IDE it takes two to tango... Ben. --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From gclink@dryden.net Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:38:35 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1600 (database) From: Gord Clink To: 'studio16@thule.no' Subject: Re: SMPTE errors Date: Mon, 2 Feb 98 22:38:00 Message-ID: <01BD2FF0.A3E51DC0@gclink.avenor.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA26241for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:41:01 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA12799for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:38:44 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: bastionhost.avenor.com: Host [10.100.240.153] claimed to be gclink.avenor.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id WAA12797 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 56dc550aecdf6b2a2f765a0277f04f7d OK.... I am really starting to get frusterated with all of the SMPTE crap!! I went out and purchased a Fostex SMPTE generator hoping my problem was with the SMPTEout module as Serge suggested. Well... the Fostex didn't help at all! So far I have come to the conclusion that the TEAC 80-8 reel-to-reel is not stable enough to keep the SMPTE code constant. I am able to record SMPTE to the TEAC and use that as my source for a little while.... Maybe long enough to record 2 - 3 tracks. During this time the sync is right-on.... No drifting and no SMPTE Too Fast/ Too Slow errors. Then all of the sudden, out of the blue, I will get the dreaded Too Fast/Too Slow error and at the same time, my tracks start to drift. From this point on I will always get Too Fast/Too Slow SMPTE error and track drifting unless I record new SMPTE track to the reel-to-reel and start over again. And the process repeats itself, allowing me to work for a little while..... etc..... Tell me if this sounds like a possibility...... The tape on the reel-to-reel is stretching over time, (rewind -> play 15-20 times), and causes the SMPTE to become un-readable and the tracks to appear to drift. Since the AD516 can only play back at exactly the specified rate, in this case 44100. It has to be the tape that is changing, and the only thing that would cause this is motor speed, or tape stretching or shrinking..... right? Or is this a completely crazy idea? The reason I ruled out motor speed, it that the motors are direct drive, balanced motors that work off of the AC frequency, (according to the TEAC dealer) and are rock solid. Thanks in advance.... Gord Clink gclink@dryden.net --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From sag@cae.ca Mon, 02 Feb 1998 18:02:09 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1602 (database) From: Serge A Guilbert To: studio16 Subject: Re: SMPTE errors -Reply Date: Tue, 3 Feb 98 00:02:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id XAA29132for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:13:51 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA13372for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 00:10:59 +0100 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: d0459688b82de231a877190afc8d92dd >>> Gord Clink 02/02/98 04:38pm >>> -->OK.... I am really starting to get frusterated with all of the SMPTE crap!! I -->went out and purchased a Fostex SMPTE generator hoping my problem was with the -->SMPTEout module as Serge suggested. Well... the Fostex didn't help at all! Hello Gord; Did the place where the SMPTE Too Slow error shows up change at all from last time (when you were using SMPTEOut)? Ex: With SMPTEOut, it showed up at 2 minutes, and with the new Generator, it shows up at ??? minutes? -->So far I have come to the conclusion that the TEAC 80-8 reel-to-reel is not -->stable enough to keep the SMPTE code constant. I am able to record SMPTE -->to the TEAC and use that as my source for a little while.... Maybe long enough -->to record 2 - 3 tracks. During this time the sync is right-on.... No drifting Hmm. This is interesting. Are you saying you can record the first 2 or 3 tracks all the way through without the dreaded error? Even when your TEAC has been running a while? A few hours? -->start to drift. From this point on I will always get Too Fast/Too Slow SMPTE -->error and track drifting unless I record new SMPTE track to the reel-to-reel Do you get it right away? Right at the beginning (ex: after 10 seconds?)? Is is always at the same spot? -->The tape on the reel-to-reel is stretching over time, (rewind -> play 15-20 -->times), and causes the SMPTE to become un-readable and the tracks to appear to Well, tape does wear out over time, but not usually at the rate you suggest. The oxide will probably start to wear off your tape long before you notice any appreciable effects from stretching. Does the same thing happen wirh a new tape? 3 times good, then the 4th time bad? -->case 44100. It has to be the tape that is changing, and the only thing that -->would cause this is motor speed, or tape stretching or shrinking..... right? Or -->is this a completely crazy idea? Not crazy. -->The reason I ruled out motor speed, it that the motors are direct drive, -->balanced motors that work off of the AC frequency, (according to the TEAC -->dealer) and are rock solid. How about an obvious question. How steady is your 120VAC? Variations in line voltage, and frequency are very common. I'm not sure how the TEAC synchs up, but if it's relying strictly on the zero-crossing of the AC signal (60Hz), your "rock solid" motor speed is only as solid as your incoming AC. Strictly a guess here. Perhaps a qualified TEAC tech would have more insightful information. Another thing to consider. Having your TEAC calibrated is an inexpensive option. It may be unlikely, but it will help rule out the possibilty that your record speed and playback speed are not the same. On my Fostex R-8, there are two trim pots which they use to adjust the speed. I'm sure yours has a similiar design. When I took both my R-8's in, one was too slow, and one was a little too fast (and it was brand new!). >From what I can tell with the descriptions you've provided so far, the problem(s) point more to erratic motor speed than to anything else. If it was tape stretch, as unlikely as it is, you would always get the same problem every time, not just occasionally. Also, for the tape to stretch as much as you suggest, you would probably start to hear an audible warbling in your audio tracks. Do they SOUND OK? What is the history of your TEAC? Is it old? Are the pinch roller and capstan cleaned regularly? The pinch roller is the round wheel, made of rubber, and is responsible for pulling your tape along. After a few years, especially if it's not cleaned, the rubber accumulates metal oxide particles from the tape, and begins to harden up, meaning that it won't pull on the tape as smoothly as it should. This can also cause erratic slippage. The pinch roller is inexpensive, and is simple to change. I appologize if I'm already telling you things you already know. I don't know what your technical background is. Don't get too discouraged, Gord. You may have had a combination of problems. It's just a question of eradicating them one by one. If it helps, ever since I've striped my R-8 machines with the Fostex 4010 Generator, I haven't had any more Too Slow errors. Your new generator definitely won't be a waste of money. Let me know what you find out. Sounding off; Serge A. Guilbert, B.Eng CAE Electronics, Flight Simulators, Sound Group (514)341-6780 x4129 sag@cae.ca ________________________________________________________ A Wise Old Man Once Told Me: "Go Away!!!". And So, I Did ________________________________________________________ --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From mardean@mcn.net Mon, 02 Feb 1998 16:32:27 -1000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1603 (database) From: Marcia McCarry To: studio16 Subject: New 3-play for B & P/S16 Date: Tue, 3 Feb 98 03:32:00 Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19980202082011.248f2ac6@mcn.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id XAA29845for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:42:48 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA13573for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 00:40:43 +0100 X-Sender: mardean@mcn.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 0a4410e2b4b501a27392e393613b593c I used my Studio 16/AD516 with B&P Pro with only a 16-ch MIDI interface for 2 years - looking for an old Blue Ribbon Triple Play 48-channel MIDI interface - (the ONLY >16 MIDI interface that will work with this program) - - until I found out that Werner Gusset - octave2.ch/octave/index.html - is now making them! - same electronic design, same function. He's got some kind of agreement with microsoft/blue ribbon guys. I bought one for $166.00 plus shipping and am now happily tracking with 48 MIDI channels! It has one in, one thru, and 3 outs - one for each 16- channel bank. No, I am not getting any percentage or kickbacks from this - Just thought someone like me might want to know. Dean Anderson --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From dhomas@youngmonkey.ca Mon, 02 Feb 1998 19:48:54 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1603 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1604 (database) From: dhomas trenn To: Marcia McCarry Subject: Re: New 3-play for B & P/S16 Date: Tue, 3 Feb 98 01:48:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id XAA29988for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:49:27 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA13633for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 00:47:22 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: young monkey studios MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: caa8b3eb34d1e3ab55fccd9a151f1f87 Dean (disguised as Marcia) spoke and whirled like a Dervish divine: > - until I found out that Werner Gusset - octave2.ch/octave/index.html - is That link doesn't work. > I bought one for $166.00 plus shipping and am now happily tracking with There used to be a guy in Canada here somewhere who was selling TPP "compatibles" for $50 or so. There's only about $10 worth the parts in there. -- dhomas. ********************************************************************** * * * young monkey studios EMail: dhomas@youngmonkey.ca * * ---------------- WWW: http://www.youngmonkey.ca/ * * dhomas trenn * * Snail: 797 Mitchell Street * * Fredericton, NB * * Phone: (506) 459-7088 CANADA E3B 3S8 * * * ********************************************************************** --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From brandib@wilson.ca Mon, 02 Feb 1998 18:52:20 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1602 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1605 (database) From: Brandi Brisson To: Serge A Guilbert Subject: Re: SMPTE errors -Reply Date: Tue, 3 Feb 98 01:52:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id AAA01239for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 00:50:30 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA13994for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 01:47:16 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 45980337146c26729fe6f976986b1564 On 02-Feb-98, Serge A Guilbert wrote: >>>> Gord Clink 02/02/98 04:38pm >>> >-->OK.... I am really starting to get frusterated with all of the SMPTE crap!! > I >-->went out and purchased a Fostex SMPTE generator hoping my problem was with >the >-->SMPTEout module as Serge suggested. Well... the Fostex didn't help at all! >Hello Gord; >Did the place where the SMPTE Too Slow error shows up change at all from last >time >(when you were using SMPTEOut)? Ex: With SMPTEOut, it showed up at 2 minutes, >and >with the new Generator, it shows up at ??? minutes? Yes, it did change, but it always changes, although it is always after about 4 minutes... never before... (with both generators) >-->So far I have come to the conclusion that the TEAC 80-8 reel-to-reel is not >-->stable enough to keep the SMPTE code constant. I am able to record SMPTE >-->to the TEAC and use that as my source for a little while.... Maybe long >enough >-->to record 2 - 3 tracks. During this time the sync is right-on.... No >drifting >Hmm. This is interesting. Are you saying you can record the first 2 or 3 >tracks >all the way through without the dreaded error? YES!!! >Even when your TEAC has been running a while? A few hours? good point, I'll leave the TEAC on over night and see what happens when I stripe new again in the morning.... >-->start to drift. From this point on I will always get Too Fast/Too Slow >SMPTE >-->error and track drifting unless I record new SMPTE track to the >reel-to-reel >Do you get it right away? Right at the beginning (ex: after 10 seconds?)? Is >is >always at the same spot? The drifting starts about 2 minutes in.... and the Too Fast/Too Slow error starts sometime after 4 minutes. >-->The tape on the reel-to-reel is stretching over time, (rewind -> play 15-20 >-->times), and causes the SMPTE to become un-readable and the tracks to appear >to >Well, tape does wear out over time, but not usually at the rate you suggest. >The >oxide will probably start to wear off your tape long before you notice any >appreciable effects from stretching. >Does the same thing happen wirh a new tape? 3 times good, then the 4th time >bad? I never tried a new tape to tell you the truth. Although I tried several different old tapes with the same result. >-->case 44100. It has to be the tape that is changing, and the only thing that >-->would cause this is motor speed, or tape stretching or shrinking..... >right? Or >-->is this a completely crazy idea? >Not crazy. >-->The reason I ruled out motor speed, it that the motors are direct drive, >-->balanced motors that work off of the AC frequency, (according to the TEAC >-->dealer) and are rock solid. >How about an obvious question. How steady is your 120VAC? Variations in line >voltage, and frequency are very common. I'm not sure how the TEAC synchs up, >but >if it's relying strictly on the zero-crossing of the AC signal (60Hz), your >"rock >solid" motor speed is only as solid as your incoming AC. Strictly a guess >here. >Perhaps a qualified TEAC tech would have more insightful information. >Another thing to consider. Having your TEAC calibrated is an inexpensive >option. >It may be unlikely, but it will help rule out the possibilty that your record >speed and playback speed are not the same. On my Fostex R-8, there are two >trim >pots which they use to adjust the speed. I'm sure yours has a similiar design. >When I took both my R-8's in, one was too slow, and one was a little too fast >(and >it was brand new!). >>From what I can tell with the descriptions you've provided so far, the >problem(s) >point more to erratic motor speed than to anything else. If it was tape >stretch, >as unlikely as it is, you would always get the same problem every time, not >just >occasionally. Also, for the tape to stretch as much as you suggest, you would >probably start to hear an audible warbling in your audio tracks. Do they SOUND >OK? Yes... the tapes sound great!!! (Better than I expected when I bought it!!) >What is the history of your TEAC? Is it old? Are the pinch roller and capstan >cleaned regularly? The pinch roller is the round wheel, made of rubber, and is >responsible for pulling your tape along. After a few years, especially if it's >not >cleaned, the rubber accumulates metal oxide particles from the tape, and >begins to >harden up, meaning that it won't pull on the tape as smoothly as it should. >This >can also cause erratic slippage. The pinch roller is inexpensive, and is >simple to >change. I appologize if I'm already telling you things you already know. I >don't >know what your technical background is. >Don't get too discouraged, Gord. You may have had a combination of problems. >It's >just a question of eradicating them one by one. If it helps, ever since I've >striped my R-8 machines with the Fostex 4010 Generator, I haven't had any more >Too >Slow errors. Your new generator definitely won't be a waste of money. >Let me know what you find out. >Sounding off; >Serge A. Guilbert, B.Eng >CAE Electronics, Flight Simulators, Sound Group >(514)341-6780 x4129 >sag@cae.ca Thanks for you input Serge!! Gord Clink gclink@dryden.net --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From sag@cae.ca Mon, 02 Feb 1998 22:12:16 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1607 (database) From: Serge A Guilbert To: studio16 Subject: Re: SMPTE errors -Reply -Reply Date: Tue, 3 Feb 98 04:12:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id DAA03819for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 03:18:51 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA14833for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 04:15:59 +0100 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: abc3853e15b2d47ca1f4295aa89f30ff -->Yes, it did change, but it always changes, although it is always after about 4 -->minutes... never before... (with both generators) OK. Here's a test you can try: 1. Plug the output of your new Fostex generator into the AD516. The Fostex is now SMPTE Master. The TEAC is not used. 2. Record a few 5 minute tracks onto the AD516. Ideally, you should be recording against a sequenced drumbeat. 3. Play them back using the Fostex as SMPTE Master, and verify that you don't get drift, or Too Slow errors. 4. Play them back using the Studio16 Internal SMPTE Generator. It now is SMPTE Master. Any drift? Any Too Slow errors? If not, you know your Fostex is at least as accurate as the Internal SMPTE Generator (as well it should). 5. Re-stripe your TEAC using the new Fostex generator. I know you've done it already, but keep as many constants as possible. 6. Plug the TEAC into the AD516. The TEAC is now SMPTE Master. Any drift? Any Too Slow errors? If Test #6 is the culprit, I would definitely look towards motor speed fluctuations on the TEAC. Next step would be to find out why. Any changes to the TEAC recently? Was it banged? Dropped? Did this start to happen all at once, or did the problem slowly "drift" into view (pun intended). You know, happened once a long time ago, and never happened again, until today. That sort of thing. "If machines were really our friends, they'd surely buy us a beer every now and then." :>) Let me know. Sounding off; Serge A. Guilbert, B.Eng CAE Electronics, Flight Simulators, Sound Group (514)341-6780 x4129 sag@cae.ca ________________________________________________________ A Wise Old Man Once Told Me: "Go Away!!!". And So, I Did ________________________________________________________ --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From mardean@mcn.net Mon, 02 Feb 1998 20:29:39 -1000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1608 (database) From: Marcia McCarry To: studio16 Subject: Re: New 3-play for B & P/S16 Date: Tue, 3 Feb 98 07:29:00 Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19980202121723.0897e916@mcn.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id DAA04156for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 03:39:55 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA14978for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 04:37:56 +0100 X-Sender: mardean@mcn.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: a7c3e71358939f5652c39ddf43b8eb5e At 07:48 PM 2/2/98 -0500, you wrote: >Dean (disguised as Marcia) spoke and whirled like a Dervish divine: > >> - until I found out that Werner Gusset - octave2.ch/octave/index.html - is > >That link doesn't work. > >> I bought one for $166.00 plus shipping and am now happily tracking with > >There used to be a guy in Canada here somewhere who was selling TPP >"compatibles" for $50 or so. There's only about $10 worth the parts in >there. > Weeell . . . interesting. I pasted that e-mail address from the "nicknames" in my e-mail program - the one I have used to send e-mail to this guy - and it always got through, and he answered. So, does everyone make their own TPP's for $10.00 and a set of instructions? I don't feel too bad - my other 16-ch jobs were around $100.00 each. --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From 75223.671@compuserve.com Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:56:35 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1609 (database) From: Steve Kusaba <75223.671@compuserve.com> To: studio16 Subject: Re: AudioLabs Date: Tue, 3 Feb 98 04:56:00 Message-ID: <199802022257_MC2-31A5-5929@compuserve.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id DAA04391for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 03:58:19 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA15102for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 04:56:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 0eb363e88efe9e3b390a31eeb319b04d Maurizio, <<<<<<< This is the first request for supporting Roland material. Maybe they just use some standard format. Please let me know.>>>> It is not that I am interested in using anything Roland, that was just an example of the end result. What is desired would be a situation where the user could record his own sample range (So that he could sample one and spread them from C5-A6 ((musical notes)) then another for B6-F6 etc.) unlike Roland, Korg and the rest who usually sample one note and spread them out from A2-B7 or some such nonsense. Most of the commercial tone generators are terrible and have 20 usable tones if you are lucky. (Usable for any length of time in a composition.) Now if the user could make his own sample range, feed midi data to it and have the samples play back (much like bars&pipes with a tone generator) then we would all be in heaven and could actually do some amazing things! One way that it might be done (though not the only way) would be to record the samples to a CD and then retreive the samples when needed via software as the Sequencer (preferrably Bars&PipesProfessional) demanded. Steve --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From mardean@mcn.net Mon, 02 Feb 1998 21:12:26 -1000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1610 (database) From: Marcia McCarry To: studio16 Subject: Re: New 3-play for B & P/S16 Date: Tue, 3 Feb 98 08:12:00 Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19980202130010.3177a4ee@mcn.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id EAA05093for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 04:23:07 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA15291for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 05:20:54 +0100 X-Sender: mardean@mcn.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: ba18eabe642deec24c963df89bdc677b At 07:48 PM 2/2/98 -0500, you wrote: >Dean (disguised as Marcia) spoke and whirled like a Dervish divine: > >> - until I found out that Werner Gusset - octave2.ch/octave/index.html - is > >That link doesn't work. > >> I bought one for $166.00 plus shipping and am now happily tracking with > >There used to be a guy in Canada here somewhere who was selling TPP >"compatibles" for $50 or so. There's only about $10 worth the parts in >there. Sorry, I goofed. Here's Werner's REAL e-mail addr.: octave2@bluewin.ch in case anyone wants it. What can I say? I'm not an electronics engineer, or a programmer. I'm admit I'm just a musician - obviously rather uninformed at that - which is why I joined this mailing list - perhaps too late, in this instance. I don't feel too bad - my other 16-channel MIDI's cost around $100.00 ea. Anyway, thanks for the enlightenment. What do we plebes know, anyway? --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From mardean@mcn.net Mon, 02 Feb 1998 21:12:20 -1000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1611 (database) From: Marcia McCarry To: studio16 Subject: Re: New 3-play for B & P/S16 Date: Tue, 3 Feb 98 08:12:00 Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19980202130004.3177ce34@mcn.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id EAA05094for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 04:23:07 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA15290for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 05:20:53 +0100 X-Sender: mardean@mcn.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: ff2b65cc858c4136dcdd221711a1eda2 At 07:48 PM 2/2/98 -0500, you wrote: >Dean (disguised as Marcia) spoke and whirled like a Dervish divine: > >> - until I found out that Werner Gusset - octave2.ch/octave/index.html - is > >That link doesn't work. > >> I bought one for $166.00 plus shipping and am now happily tracking with > >There used to be a guy in Canada here somewhere who was selling TPP >"compatibles" for $50 or so. There's only about $10 worth the parts in >there. > >-- > >dhomas. > >********************************************************************** >* * > * young monkey studios EMail: dhomas@youngmonkey.ca * > * ---------------- WWW: http://www.youngmonkey.ca/ * > * dhomas trenn * > * Snail: 797 Mitchell Street * > * Fredericton, NB * > * Phone: (506) 459-7088 CANADA E3B 3S8 * >* * >********************************************************************** > >--- >*** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ I don't know what to make of this. Obviously, I'm not an electronics engineer, or a programmer - wish I was. I'm just a lowly musician who happens to be an Amiga user. Here's Werner's REAL e-mail addr. - sorry, I goofed: octave2@bluewin.ch Maybe you could talk him down a little. --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From jacob@iag.net Mon, 02 Feb 1998 23:22:17 EST5EDT4,M4.1.0 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1595 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1612 (database) From: Jacob Ellis To: troy silvey Subject: Re: [S16] IDE compatible and fast enough? Date: Tue, 3 Feb 98 05:22:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id EAA05095for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 04:23:07 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA15289for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 05:20:53 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: fac07705e6a409e389f63ca7da3c0323 On 02-Feb-98, troy silvey wrote: >But the onboard SCSI on the 3000 is just an intergrated >2091 (Zorro II) isn't it? Our saying old onboard SCSI is >better than a new IDE? I have a 1.2 EIDE ready to go. Just add >a $80 IDE card and i"m ready to go. >What about Updating my WD scsi chip? WiIl updating the WD >scsi controller gain me any thing? Yes, the A3k SCSI is an integrated 2091. The key word is integrated. It is directly on the bus and doesn't have to go through Zorro. An 040 has to go through numerous steps and protocol conversions to get data on/off the Zorro2 bus. CBM designed a special memory interface to suck data off the SCSI bus. It was the fastest of its time in the class of computer it was in. Ask all the people out there with A2091s and GVP 4008s how fast they are on their 040 systems. (Your built in A3k SCSI is easily 2-3 times faster). A new SCSI chip will not speed things up. Enabling synchronous mode will give you a good speed boost, but unless your cabling and termination is 100% perfect you will have problems (data corruption or SCSI bus lockups). I can understand you want to use that IDE drive you have that is otherwise doing nothing. But, you will not gain any speed using IDE. You will have a slow hard drive that uses more CPU and wastes a slot in your A3k. If you think your Toaster system which uses IDE is doing fine, you would be blown away if you had a decent Zorro3 SCSI card (or CPU card with SCSI). Effects, framestores, anims, etc. all load incredibly faster. (That annoying pause between loading an effect and running it is gone!) This is not to say IDE in general is slow, it's not. It is to say all Amiga implementations of IDE are. :) Given an otherwise equivalent system, SCSI will always be faster do the extra intelligence and flexibility SCSI allows. If a slow 1.2g hard drive is worth $80, then you know the answer to the question you orginally asked. Jacob -- jacob@iag.net --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From tc_silvey@juno.com Tue, 1 Feb 2000 22:20:52 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1599 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1613 (database) From: troy silvey To: studio16 Subject: Re: [S16] IDE compatible and fast enough? Date: Wed, 2 Feb 0 04:20:01 Message-ID: <20000201.222402.9750.0.tc_silvey@juno.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id EAA05180for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 04:25:52 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA15342for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 05:23:56 +0100 References: <007701bd301d$459947a0$d041a8c0@ben200.macromedia.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-13 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: cc0e04480a0a7e9226a975d9a9e1ed2f >The a3000 is not just an integrated 2091. It does use the same >The DMA controller in the a3000 is capable of burst >transfers to motherboard memory. Thanks for the insight. I think I'm convinced to stay scsi. >either way, disk performance will suck dead frogs through cheap >plastic straws... Thanks for the visual aid. Makes me laugh evertime I read it. ;~) troy _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Mon, 02 Feb 1998 21:44:07 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1609 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1614 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: [S16] A "Sampler" Primer Date: Tue, 3 Feb 98 06:44:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id EAA05507for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 04:50:42 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA15532for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 05:48:44 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id FAA15530 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 796a58d081b1fac9176616a283d55f7c 02-Feb-98, Steve Kusaba <75223.671@compuserve.com>: >What is desired would be a situation where the user could record his own >sample range (So that he could sample one and spread them from C5-A6 >(musical notes) then another for B6-F6 etc.) This is referred to as "mapping", and is one of the main jobs programs like dissidents' Midi Sample Wrench performs, in conjunction with a "sampler". >unlike Roland, Korg and the rest who usually sample one note and spread >them out from A2-B7 or some such nonsense. Most of the commercial tone >generators are terrible and have 20 usable tones if you are lucky. (Usable >for any length of time in a composition.) This is not true of the type of midi keyboard or rack-module you should be using. If you are buying cheap multimedia-playback GM (general-midi) modules, you are getting what you pay for. Buy an actual sampler from any of these companies and others, and you will get a superlative tool. >Now if the user could make his own sample range, feed midi data to it and >have the samples play back (much like bars&pipes with a tone generator) >then we would all be in heaven and could actually do some amazing things! If you are suggesting using the AD516 for this, it is -- as I replied to your last post on the same stuff -- a poor use of resources. Ben and Maurizio have said something like this also. The AD516 is designed to record and playback from hard-drive like a multitrack- or mastering-deck. It is not designed to play back with the polyphony demanded of a mapped sampler (32 voices and up, from sometimes as many samples, each with its own "looping".) This all needs to occur in ram, not from a disk BTW -- it would be a nightmare to suggest otherwise. >One way that it might be done (though not the only way) would be to record >the samples to a CD and then retreive the samples when needed via software >as the Sequencer (preferrably Bars&PipesProfessional) demanded. See above. You are mistaking a nailgun for a sawz-all. -- *greenboy* NO AMIGA TO WASTE: http://thunderstorms.org/NATW // Team Phillip K Dick, William Gibson, Bruce Sterling, David \X/ AMIGA Brin, Neal Stephenson, Vernor Vinge, Kim Stanley Robinson --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From kenny@bgnett.no 03 Feb 98 08:43:24 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1620 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: All Subject: CMX file Date: Tue, 3 Feb 98 08:43:00 Message-ID: <225.338T1226T5233535@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id HAA09747for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 07:46:19 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA16679for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:42:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 0211e5d4cc77e78d411ab2a7a45acedd Could someone please send me a CMX file (an actual one) private in email. I will use it for testing a CMX->Cuelist converter. The longer the file is the better. Please send several if you have. Thanks in advance! - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From support@dissidents.com Tue, 03 Feb 1998 07:30:32 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1614 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1622 (database) From: Jim To: studio16 Subject: Re: [S16] A "Sampler" Primer Date: Tue, 3 Feb 98 13:30:00 Message-ID: <34D70DE8.1A1D@dissidents.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id MAA18855for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:25:56 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA18043for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:21:40 +0100 Organization: dissidents X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-GZone (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: b0bf05e3d1e7191379427639ff66cf99 greenboy wrote: > >What is desired would be a situation where the user could record his own > >sample range (So that he could sample one and spread them from C5-A6 > >(musical notes) then another for B6-F6 etc.) > > This is referred to as "mapping", and is one of the main jobs programs like > dissidents' Midi Sample Wrench performs, in conjunction with a "sampler". Just for the record, the official name is "Sample Wrench". We dropped the "MIDI" when we added SCSI (SMDI) support a couple of versions ago ;-). BTW, the latest upgrade supports direct save/load of S16 format files. > >unlike Roland, Korg and the rest who usually sample one note and spread > >them out from A2-B7 or some such nonsense. Most of the commercial tone > >generators are terrible and have 20 usable tones if you are lucky. (Usable > >for any length of time in a composition.) > > This is not true of the type of midi keyboard or rack-module you should be > using. If you are buying cheap multimedia-playback GM (general-midi) > modules, you are getting what you pay for. Buy an actual sampler from any of > these companies and others, and you will get a superlative tool. > >Now if the user could make his own sample range, feed midi data to it and > >have the samples play back (much like bars&pipes with a tone generator) > >then we would all be in heaven and could actually do some amazing things! > > If you are suggesting using the AD516 for this, it is -- as I replied to > your last post on the same stuff -- a poor use of resources. Ben and > Maurizio have said something like this also. > The AD516 is designed to record and playback from hard-drive like a > multitrack- or mastering-deck. It is not designed to play back with the > polyphony demanded of a mapped sampler (32 voices and up, from sometimes as > many samples, each with its own "looping".) This all needs to occur in ram, > not from a disk BTW -- it would be a nightmare to suggest otherwise. A lot of different samplers have walked in and out of here over the years, and it's true that you get what you pay for. One of the nicer "inexpensive" units is the Peavey DPM-SP (around $1k MSRP). There are also several nice units from E-Mu, Akai, Kurzweil, et.al. in the $1.5 to $3k range. These things are designed for performing musicians, not as an alternate type of multi-track. The AD516 is decidedly _not_ designed for this. Jim Fiore, resident dissident http://www.dissidents.com --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From gclink@dryden.net Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:18:03 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1623 (database) From: Gord Clink To: 'studio16@thule.no' Subject: RE: SMPTE errors Date: Tue, 3 Feb 98 15:18:00 Message-ID: <01BD307C.407613C0@gclink.avenor.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id OAA22580for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 14:22:48 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA18679for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:18:41 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: bastionhost.avenor.com: Host [10.100.240.153] claimed to be gclink.avenor.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 875f61a1114ec371c61657da0b2f7d63 Thanks Kenny...I would really appreciate that!! ---------- From: Kenny Nilsen[SMTP:kenny@bgnett.no] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 1998 1:02 AM To: Gord Clink Subject: Re: SMPTE errors BTW: I have a Teac myself I will do some testing with. I'll let you know. - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Tue, 03 Feb 1998 08:39:37 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1624 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: [S16] Mild Case of Typertension Date: Tue, 3 Feb 98 17:39:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id PAA25250for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:50:54 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA19142for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 16:43:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no *greenboy: * X-UIDL: e69d6856f3e21f6108b9bb828d238104 >>This is referred to as "mapping", and is one of the main jobs programs >>like dissidents' Midi Sample Wrench performs, in conjunction with a *Jim Fiore* , 03-Feb-98: >Just for the record, the official name is "Sample Wrench". We dropped the >"MIDI" when we added SCSI (SMDI) support a couple of versions ago ;-). BTW, >the latest upgrade supports direct save/load of S16 format files. Hey, Jim, glad to see you here on the list! What you saw there is a sad but typical case of /Oldogus Newtrichenitous./ You'd think I would have got it by now . . . %^\ >A lot of different samplers have walked in and out of here over the years, >and it's true that you get what you pay for. One of the nicer "inexpensive" >units is the Peavey DPM-SP (around $1k MSRP). There are also several nice >units from E-Mu, Akai, Kurzweil, et.al. in the $1.5 to $3k range. These >things are designed for performing musicians, not as an alternate type of >multi-track. The AD516 is decidedly _not_ designed for this. Not to mention Ensoniq. It was the first company to really get the price where real people could use samplers. {Now they also build General Midi stuff -- the End of Music is at hand!} Has dissidents worked with the Korg Trinity? This looks like a great engine. I personally have not used the Peavey DPM-SP, but I remember talking with you about it, and SMDI (using SCSI instead of midi to transfer samples and mapping is much great. I have used Wrench in conjunction with my DPM V3. It is actually a wavetable synth with a twist: one meg of static ram for storage of user waveforms. Peavey is a great company too. -- *greenboy* NO AMIGA TO WASTE: http://thunderstorms.org/NATW // Team Phillip K Dick, William Gibson, Bruce Sterling, David \X/ AMIGA Brin, Neal Stephenson, Vernor Vinge, Kim Stanley Robinson --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From goodidea@aye.net Tue, 03 Feb 1998 10:43:36 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1602 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1625 (database) From: GOOD IDEA! To: Serge A Guilbert Subject: Re: SMPTE errors -Reply Date: Tue, 3 Feb 98 16:43:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id PAA25261for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:51:09 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA19161for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 16:45:13 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: eca10bc1e17644f571dd60c8b50514c8 On 02-Feb-98, Serge A Guilbert wrote: >>>> Gord Clink 02/02/98 04:38pm >>> >-->OK.... I am really starting to get frusterated with all of the SMPTE crap!! When I lost an Amiga during a thunderstorm I became a fanatic about UPS and voltage regulators. Try one. There are plenty of brown outs around here and the various protective devices I have hooked up all emit periodic alarms. I had a shorting problem on a heat pump here at the office that created all sorts of problems. Any start up capacitor could cause a momentary voltage drop. The device doesn't even need to be on the same metered circuit to cause a momentary voltage drop, as I can attest due to the fact that I am in an all-electric area, and sudden voltage drops happen when everybody's AC or heat pump kicks in at once. -- Mark Needham GOOD IDEA! goodidea@aye.net Graphic design Photography Illustration Video Architecture Advertising Multi-media --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Tue, 03 Feb 1998 09:30:27 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1628 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: [S16] Electric Supply Quality Date: Tue, 3 Feb 98 18:30:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id QAA26893for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 16:38:26 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA19497for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:34:54 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id RAA19495 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 8a1e6d7f74ef0beae9cf4cebd0874b1e *Gord Clink* 02/02/98: >>OK... I am really starting to get frusterated with all of the SMPTE crap!! *Good Idea!* , 03-Feb-98: >When I lost an Amiga during a thunderstorm I became a fanatic about UPS and >voltage regulators. Try one. >There are plenty of brown outs around here and the various protective devices >I have hooked up all emit periodic alarms. I had a shorting problem on a heat >pump here at the office that created all sorts of problems. Any start up >capacitor could cause a momentary voltage drop. The device doesn't even need >to be on the same metered circuit to cause a momentary voltage drop, as I can >attest due to the fact that I am in an all-electric area, and sudden voltage >drops happen when everybody's AC or heat pump kicks in at once. All true. Yeah, this is a prerequisite for anyone using computers, music equipment, or anything else with microchips. And it just doesn't do to buy the cheap stuff either. I had a studio in a building that also housed a pizzeria. When the manager fired up the pizza ovens in the afternoon, surges and spikes, followed by near-brownout were the result. We installed voltage-logging equipment for 5 days to see what else was going on, in what power and phone techs referred to as the Freemont Hellhole. Typically 130-135 volts is what we found. This is seriously going to affect the longevity of any silicon lifeforms! A cleanly-regulated electrical environment is essential if you want to enforce a "No Gremlins!" policy. Again, I advocate Balanced Power, as it takes care of this better than anything else, and it gets rid of all grounding problems, which can also glitch hardware operations. You get an incredible boost in signal-to-noise, of course! 8D -- *greenboy* NO AMIGA TO WASTE: http://thunderstorms.org/NATW // Team Phillip K Dick, William Gibson, Bruce Sterling, David \X/ AMIGA Brin, Neal Stephenson, Vernor Vinge, Kim Stanley Robinson --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From kenny@bgnett.no 03 Feb 98 19:53:15 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1623 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1629 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Gord Clink Subject: RE: SMPTE errors Date: Tue, 3 Feb 98 19:53:00 Message-ID: <908.338T783T11932752@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id TAA01218for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 19:12:47 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA20514for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:08:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 70f670f1a6fd3c6c0a07f8159c7ad70f Gord Clink wrote: >>BTW: I have a Teac myself I will do some testing with. I'll let you know. >Thanks Kenny...I would really appreciate that!! Gord, I just did a half hour test and there was no problems. I ran the test only once. My test config: - Teac A3440 (4 tracks), set at highspeed (15") pitch off Reel-to-reel is lying horizontally. - An old BASF Studio tape (Gevaert) with physical cuts from the good old days ;) - PAL - SMPTE LTC recorded/played back at -7 dB on Teac, no EQ, no DBX - Cheap phonocable used for test/LTC - Cuelist set up at 30 minuttes, no entries If you like I can run a longer test (1 hour at slow speed 7"). We can rule out tape and cablenoise. I also think we can rule out the SMPTEOutput if the problem is not in the PAL sync vs. NTSC sync code (the DF problematics). Have you tried with PAL ? - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From mardean@mcn.net Tue, 03 Feb 1998 14:05:09 -1000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1630 (database) From: Marcia McCarry To: studio16 Subject: TPP $10 octave2 reply Date: Wed, 4 Feb 98 01:05:00 Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19980203055253.08975954@mcn.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA04837for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 21:18:11 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA21555for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 22:13:40 +0100 X-Sender: mardean@mcn.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 44c55275d790d17ff336cf5f6e215c98 > I don't know what to make of this. > I don't feel too bad - my other MIDI 16-ch interfaces cost about 100.00 > each. I guess if you spend 3 months researching electronics engineering > and are lucky enough to come across the plans - or know how to copy an > existing > device, you CAN build it for $10.00 worth of parts. > Just trying to help, that's all. Dean What can I say: It's right, the cost of the parts in quantities of hundert are maybe 20$. If you produce a printed circuit (ehich has first to be designed) or if you wire all part yourself together makes a lot of difference. To drill the holes into a box and to make the printed label for the box is another additional cost. You can save this when you build your own box and have time and tools. If you have all part together, you solder everything together wire tha cable and the plug. Now you are ready to test it. Everything of this work you can do yourself if you know how, if you have access to all the parts, if you have all the tools and if you have the knowledge. No problem. And I agree, you may have 20-30$ to spend. It' maight be possible, that prices are cheaper in the states as the are in Switzerland. But the way I have produced them, several people where involfed. The person designing the print, the company producing the print, the person designing the paper with the holes in the case, the company drilling the cases, a person designing the label and printing them out, someone had to put the oprder together for all the parts, someone did all the wiring and someone had to test it. Everybody in this chain wanted to make some money, it's theyre business. I had to invest some of my money and to calculate a price for it to make shure that after a certain time I have my investment returned. I can tell you that I hesitated almost a year to take the risk. I made a little advertising, the Internet helped me to sell units - but the Internet does cost me money and time too. I give support, there is a warranty on the unit and it is cheaper as it was at the Blue Ribbon WoundWorks-Time! Now I ask you, is it wrong, to make 35% profit out of a 10'000$-project? And it is yet not shure, if I realy do. Please, I'm not complaining nor do I justify my pricing. I know it is a fair price. I also know, that one can build it cheap. I only wanted to show you that things are not always looking so easy and clear as they might look the first time. I hope you can understand what I'm trying to explain here. I have learned my english myself and never went to school for it. I appologize for all the mistakes. Have a good and relaxing time. Best regards -------------------------------------------- Werner Gusset Octave 2 media Karl-Neuhaus-Str. 8 CH-2501 Biel / Schweiz --------------------------------------------- Tel. 032 325 33 71 / Fax 032 325 33 72 BBS 032 325 33 74 http://www.octave2.ch --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From maurizio@ivg.it Tue, 03 Feb 1998 21:17:03 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1381 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1631 (database) From: Maurizio Ciccione To: greenboy Subject: Re: [S16] Re: AudioLabs official statement Date: Tue, 3 Feb 98 21:17:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA06151for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 21:56:49 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA21937for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 22:54:42 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.2 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 7d43e14b60a18905ddcb3e1789e20e51 >>AudioLabs' products require AudioLabs' drivers. They support >>every major ZII/ZIII board (including those not supported >>by AHI) both in analog and digital modes plus analog motherboard >>output. >I'm curious why. I'm a real big fan of system-wide support and >device-independent support. I think it is healthier for the >platform, and for developers. Well, there are various reasons, phylosophical and technical. If device-independent audio support would be present in the OS it would be seriously considered. As this solution has never been available we had to work on a proprietary architecture, that expanded to cover also boards not supported by AHI such as the SoundStage and SoundStagePro analog/digital cards. The driver is a very key subsystem (for example, it provides a timing base to the whole application) so we want to keep complete control on the implementation. We want to be able to modify the architecture (AudioLabs' drivers are stand-alone processes) at any time in order to implement any possible improvement we can think at, all this in a way completly transparent to the final user. We take care of keeping all our applications compatible. BTW: We'll provide an appropriate layer for 3rd parties to develop their plug-ins but they will have to run "above" ProStation, not "below". AudioLabs also sells licenses involving the drivers communication protocols. And customized versions, locked to certain drivers, are available for some very specific market segments. In order to put the interested manifacturers in the condition of getting immediatly up and running with software for their new board, the driver itself must be SIMPLE, requiring almost no time to be developed. Another important point is that AudioLabs prefers to "own" the technologies used in its products. We want to (and we do) cooperate with serious 3rd parties but we also want our future to depend as less as possible on 3rd parties' reliability. Greenboy, I recall your nice posting about how much care must be reserved to cabling, grounding, etc... expecially when dealing with analog signals (I completly agree). Now think at our approach as a similar attempt to preserve the Quality (not just technical), taking care of every single component. >>We don't make drivers, the hardware manifacturers do after we >>reach a commercial agreement. As for the development itself, >>it's just a matter of an hour of work, on average, with our >>supervision. >>Unfortunatly the AD516 is the only ZII board without a driver >>as there isn't a manifacturer we can discuss with. >So, have you with Ben Fuller here at the ml? Or any other former >Sunrizers? No, I didn't yet but I'll do it. I don't think dr. Fuller can (or would like to) be considered a manifacturer otherwise he would be expected to invest funds in AudioLabs in order to write a driver for "his" board :-) Seriously, I'll contact him in order to understand if he would agree to discuss a possible cooperation. All the best, dr. Maurizio Ciccione AudioLabs, Digital Audio Engineering --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From beachler@iastate.edu Tue, 3 Feb 1998 16:24:33 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1630 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1632 (database) From: Rich Beachler To: studio16 Subject: Re: TPP $10 octave2 reply Date: Tue, 3 Feb 98 23:24:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id WAA06894for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 22:23:57 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA22202for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 23:21:26 +0100 X-Sender: beachler@pop-2.iastate.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 6cfda1c56e3ebbb3a6e1dab6991d0103 Oboy, here we go... >Dean > >What can I say:.....etc..etc. Actually, this reply seems to be addressed to Dean (Anderson?) when he originally was promoting the Octave2 TPP by saying how happy he was with his and sharing the availability information with the rest of us. It was Dhomas Trenn who mentioned the price of components but that's not what's important here. What is important is that Werner Gusset and Octave2 have taken the chance of investing money and effort to supply the dwindling number of Amiga MIDI users with a tool we thought we might not see again. There are fewer and fewer companies willing to do so. I have seen many individuals pleading for used Triple Play Plus interfaces in the Amiga music and marketplace newsgroups ever since Blue Ribbon stopped making them. I was one of them, and had I not been lucky enough to find one, I would be buying one from Werner right now. (I looked for over 2 years!) $166 doesn't seem so out of line if you compare it to the prices of interfaces for the Mac that provide that many channels. (I don't know what Windows interfaces with this ability cost.) AND I'm not trying to start a debate about this point either! We all condone or reject the price of an item by our decision to purchase it or to let it sit on the dealer's shelf. Personally, I'd rather play however many gigs it takes to make up the price difference between parts and the finished product and let Octave2 make it for me. (With my soldering and circuit building skills, I'm sure I'd spend less time playing the gigs.) Some individuals here have debated about bringing back the AD516 board. Not enough market seems to be the main deterrent for that to happen. Werner and Octave2 HAVE actually brought back the Triple Play Plus. I'd just like to thank Werner for his efforts and I hope others might follow his lead. Rich Beachler beachler@iastate.edu --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From doncox@enterprise.net Tue, 03 Feb 1998 23:36:01 -0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1630 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1633 (database) From: Don Cox To: Marcia McCarry Subject: Re: TPP $10 octave2 reply Date: Wed, 4 Feb 98 00:36:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id XAA08902for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 23:33:03 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA22665for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 00:30:24 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: b3f05bb7d8360b26e20374c0d5ddf66e On 04-Feb-98, Marcia McCarry wrote: >about Triple Play I bought a Triple Play from Werner. I consider the price to be very fair. Manufacturing costs are generally about 10% of the total cost of a product. I had _extremely_ good and helpful service from Octave2. -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Tue, 03 Feb 1998 16:52:13 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1634 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: S16: Cut off nose to spite my interFace Date: Wed, 4 Feb 98 00:52:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id XAA09624for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 23:56:38 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA22903for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 00:54:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 5036ff57e953bb0a06b800abb3dca7b3 Rich Beachler , 03-Feb-98: >$166 doesn't seem so out of line if you compare it to the prices of >interfaces for the Mac that provide that many channels. (I don't know >what Windows interfaces with this ability cost.) AND I'm not trying to That is not a bad price for the box, even if there /were/ other alternatives. And get real, being a cheapskate about this /kills/ any opportunity to run more than 16 channels of midi; which is a serious liability for the Amiga, and a midi studio. TriplePlay+ was the _only_ solution even when Blue Ribbon and CBM were around, except for the OneStopMusicShop soundcard, and briefly, Checkpoint Technologies' multi-serial card, which I had the pleasure of owning and selling. It was built when other serious midi developers thought the Amiga was best left languishing. Cheap unprofessional attitudes toward the platform have hurt it as much as any other influence. >Werner and Octave2 HAVE actually brought back the Triple Play Plus. I'd >just like to thank Werner for his efforts and I hope others might follow >his lead. Crikeys! If you want the real deal, buy one of these puppies! -- *greenboy* NO AMIGA TO WASTE -- http://thunderstorms.org/NATW // Team Phillip K Dick, William Gibson, Bruce Sterling, David Brin \X/ AMIGA Greg Bear, Neal Stephenson, Vernor Vinge, Kim Stanley Robinson --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From gmula@nwlink.com Tue, 03 Feb 1998 18:25:13 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1630 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1635 (database) From: Gary Mula To: Marcia McCarry Subject: Re: TPP $10 octave2 reply Date: Wed, 4 Feb 98 03:25:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id CAA12656for ; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 02:27:44 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA24164for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 03:24:13 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 8a78a1347e026456ec0d0d3a784f6ba2 On 03-Feb-98, Werner Gusset wrote: >I had to invest some of my money >Now I ask you, is it wrong, to make 35% profit out of a 10'000$-project? Certainly not.. BRAVO! Werner -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Gary Mula / CALLEYE Productions / The Dutchman Singer-Songwriter / Producer Seattle, Washington, USA Team *AMIGA* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From dschmoldt@ibm.net Tue, 03 Feb 1998 22:32:27 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1612 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1636 (database) From: Dave Schmoldt To: studio16 Subject: Re: [S16] IDE compatible and fast enough? Date: Wed, 4 Feb 98 05:32:00 Message-ID: <34D7EF5B.681B40BD@ibm.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id EAA15399for ; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 04:35:23 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA25003for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 05:33:08 +0100 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 4ba953f6ee4fe0af9c42d3a4d5c7bc19 Not totally Studio16 related, but related to storing large sound sample ... What's the largest SCSI hard drive (and partitions) a stock A3000 with on-board SCSI can handle? Does that vary with OS versions ... does 3.1 allow larger drives than 2.04? Dave --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From dhomas@youngmonkey.ca Wed, 04 Feb 1998 00:51:56 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1636 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1637 (database) From: dhomas trenn To: Dave Schmoldt Subject: A3000 scsi.device maximum drive size. Date: Wed, 4 Feb 98 06:51:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id EAA15731for ; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 04:52:32 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA25124for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 05:50:30 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: young monkey studios MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: ed8100949d6721913406d0d83976af2e Dave spoke and whirled like a Dervish divine: > What's the largest SCSI hard drive (and partitions) a stock A3000 with > on-board SCSI can handle? Does that vary with OS versions ... does 3.1 > allow larger drives than 2.04? A little less than 4 GIG per harddrive. You can not use anything larger unless you install the new scsi.device and fastfilesystem patches available on AI's site. Without them you can not use anything in a partition higher than a little less than 4 GIG. So, if you have a 9 GIG drive you can only use the first ~4G without installing the new patches. Making it into 3 x 3 GIG partitions will not work... you'ld only be able to use the first 3 GIG partition. I believe it is the same for 2.x and 3.x - though don't hold me to it. -- dhomas. ********************************************************************** * * * young monkey studios EMail: dhomas@youngmonkey.ca * * ---------------- WWW: http://www.youngmonkey.ca/ * * dhomas trenn * * Snail: 797 Mitchell Street * * Fredericton, NB * * Phone: (506) 459-7088 CANADA E3B 3S8 * * * ********************************************************************** --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Tue, 03 Feb 1998 22:24:44 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1638 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: S16: Drive me to the Limits Date: Wed, 4 Feb 98 06:24:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id FAA16355for ; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 05:26:13 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA25381for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 06:24:22 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id GAA25379 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: a72877871a14e6320b32f3b99c6ead63 Dave Schmoldt , 03-Feb-98: >What's the largest SCSI hard drive (and partitions) a stock A3000 with >on-board SCSI can handle? Does that vary with OS versions ... does 3.1 >allow larger drives than 2.04? Hi, Dave! Until you use one of the available patches (from several sources, including Amiga International), the largest device size is 4096 meg (4 gig). Any writing activity past the cylinder at the 4096 mark results in wraparound to the start of the drive. Many drives that are sold as 4.3 gig actually only format out to 20-30 meg above this (4 gig) anyway, as some manufacturers count differently, count unused areas of the drive, etc. This is the same for 2.x and 3.x, though some of the patches require 3.1, I seem to recall. -- *greenboy* NO AMIGA TO WASTE -- http://thunderstorms.org/NATW // Team Phillip K Dick, William Gibson, Bruce Sterling, David Brin \X/ AMIGA Greg Bear, Neal Stephenson, Vernor Vinge, Kim Stanley Robinson --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From gclink@dryden.net Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:25:55 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1641 (database) From: Gord Clink To: 'studio16@thule.no' Subject: Channel Playback Date: Wed, 4 Feb 98 17:25:01 Message-ID: <01BD3157.4B024E40@gclink.avenor.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id QAA07585for ; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 16:29:22 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA29735for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:25:24 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: bastionhost.avenor.com: Host [10.100.240.153] claimed to be gclink.avenor.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id RAA29731 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: b946a286a2a3fac7034c2076adfde93e Well... I tried setting my track buffers to 256kb, and setup 7 tracks to play back. I figured if Ben can do it continuously, I should be able to do it for at least a few seconds. To my dismay, as soon as it hit the start of the tracks, I got an I/O overload and it automaticly shut of all my tracks. It didn't even play anthing for 1 second!!! I then proceded to try one less track with each try.... First 6, then 5, then, 4 and finally 3. 3 tracks is all I can get out of it. I just don't understand. I believe the FireBall has an 8.5ms access time, and I am getting 1.79MB/Sec transfer. What's the problem? Between my SMPTE errors, and my track playback... I am just not having much luck!! The worst part is, I have 3 other musicians that never heard of Amiga till they met me, and so far they are not too impressed. If anyone has any suggestions, please feel free to let me know Gord Clink --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From doncox@enterprise.net Wed, 04 Feb 1998 09:44:28 -0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1636 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1642 (database) From: Don Cox To: Dave Schmoldt Subject: Re: [S16] IDE compatible and fast enough? Date: Wed, 4 Feb 98 10:44:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id QAA08253for ; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 16:50:27 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA29976for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:48:12 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 63a42b836328a6fe6a18a737d6821d02 On 04-Feb-98, Dave Schmoldt wrote: >What's the largest SCSI hard drive (and partitions) a stock A3000 with >on-board SCSI can handle? Does that vary with OS versions ... does 3.1 >allow larger drives than 2.04? At present, 3995 Megs is the most you can use unless you want to experiment with beta software. You could buy a bigger disk and leave the rest of it unformatted until WB3.5 comes out. No change from 2.04 to 3.1. -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From goodidea@aye.net Wed, 04 Feb 1998 11:53:13 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1641 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1643 (database) From: GOOD IDEA! To: Gord Clink Subject: Re: Channel Playback Date: Wed, 4 Feb 98 17:53:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id QAA08524for ; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 16:57:00 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA30025for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:55:06 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 487baf1c27c74c17bcb31ce16d3e3a35 On 04-Feb-98, Gord Clink wrote: >Well... I tried setting my track buffers to 256kb, and setup 7 tracks to play Have you got the Buster 11? -- Mark Needham GOOD IDEA! goodidea@aye.net Graphic design Photography Illustration Video Architecture Advertising Multi-media --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From benfuller@msn.com Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:16:11 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1644 (database) From: Ben Fuller To: studio16 Subject: Re: Channel Playback Date: Wed, 4 Feb 98 18:16:00 Message-ID: <001801bd3190$b24d3d60$d041a8c0@ben200.macromedia.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA09680for ; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:17:54 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA30233for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 18:15:53 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 199a91e3298af59b33859822031aeead Gord Clink recently wrote: >Well... I tried setting my track buffers to 256kb, and setup 7 tracks to play back. I figured if Ben can do it continuously, I should be able to do it for at least a few seconds. To my dismay, as soon as it hit the start of the tracks, I got an I/O overload and it automaticly shut of all my tracks. It didn't even play anthing for 1 second!!! I then proceded to try one less track with each try.... First 6, then 5, then, 4 and finally 3. 3 tracks is all I can get out of it. I just don't understand. I believe the FireBall has an 8.5ms access time, and I am getting 1.79MB/Sec transfer. What's the problem? Between my SMPTE errors, and my track playback... I am just not having much luck!! The worst part is, I have 3 other musicians that never heard of Amiga till they met me, and so far they are not too impressed. > >If anyone has any suggestions, please feel free to let me know > What is your machine configuration? What kind of numbers does diskspeed report about the partition? Ben. --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From gclink@dryden.net Wed, 4 Feb 1998 11:19:49 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1645 (database) From: Gord Clink To: 'studio16@thule.no' Subject: RE: Channel Playback Date: Wed, 4 Feb 98 18:19:00 Message-ID: <01BD315E.CEF6A780@gclink.avenor.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA09829for ; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:20:56 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA30261for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 18:19:03 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: bastionhost.avenor.com: Host [10.100.240.153] claimed to be gclink.avenor.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 3b13cf3902b78d7d3b9a537c31d61dcc I don't know, why what does Buster 11 do? Gord Clink ---------- From: GOOD IDEA![SMTP:goodidea@aye.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 1998 10:53 AM To: Gord Clink Subject: Re: Channel Playback On 04-Feb-98, Gord Clink wrote: >Well... I tried setting my track buffers to 256kb, and setup 7 tracks to play Have you got the Buster 11? -- Mark Needham GOOD IDEA! goodidea@aye.net Graphic design Photography Illustration Video Architecture Advertising Multi-media --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From gclink@dryden.net Wed, 4 Feb 1998 11:55:47 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1646 (database) From: Gord Clink To: 'studio16@thule.no' Subject: Re: Channel Playback Date: Wed, 4 Feb 98 18:55:00 Message-ID: <01BD3163.D52F1D80@gclink.avenor.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA11459for ; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:57:10 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA30553for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 18:55:04 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: bastionhost.avenor.com: Host [10.100.240.153] claimed to be gclink.avenor.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id SAA30547 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: f330a04ce87caab709d824dcae2e6de6 My A3000/25 6MB (2MB Chip), has no other cards installed but the AD516, along with a small 120MB Conner drive I use for system files (OS 3.1), and a 2.1GB Quantum Fireball split into two 1GB partitions. I am using the onboard SCSI controller and am unsure which chip revisions I have (I will check though). I am using the OS3.1 FFS & Big Blocks with 8192kb blocks. I don't have diskspeed, but SysInfo reports 1.79MB/Sec transfer rate. The termination jumpers are not present on the motherboard. (I don't think there ever was any!!) Gord Clink ---------- From: Ben Fuller[SMTP:benfuller@msn.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 1998 11:16 AM To: studio16@thule.no Subject: Re: Channel Playback What is your machine configuration? What kind of numbers does diskspeed report about the partition? Ben. --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From gmula@nwlink.com Wed, 04 Feb 1998 09:56:45 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1647 (database) From: Gary Mula To: Studio16 List Subject: Editor Schizoidia Date: Wed, 4 Feb 98 18:56:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA11477for ; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 17:57:42 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA30562for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 18:55:56 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: aaa72d6a80608f02b131a5a4e519bdb9 For some time now I have had problems with the editor not properly drawing some samples when zooming in under 6 seconds. Lets say you are looking at 20 seconds or so of dialogue, you draw out a 5 second region of 6 words easily identifiable (6 envelopes), then click Show Region. Now the the image appears to have no relationship to the area you drew out, not even close. In fact the wave can look rather eratic. Playing the region confirms that it is the correct area but the moving play line and the wave do not correspond to the sound. If you zoom out there is a point where the image appears correct again. If you zoom farther in it continues to be non representable. One interesting thing is that sometimes when zoomed in on a messed up graphic, if you click or drag the bottom position slider either right or left, the image does scroll but half or all of the image freezes or gets redrawn the same. Right now the only samples doing this for me are app. 30 min long sampled at 44.1 I have done some experimenting to see if this is the case only with very long samples. The long ones do seem to be much more prone to this while anything under 5min have no problems at all. Everything inbetween varies....closer to 5min = fewer problems...increase in length = increase in corrupted wave draw. One extra note: this is inconsistant, it does not happen in the same way at the same place everytime. I think this leads me to believe it is a problem between the .graph file and the editor getting mixed up somehow. I have some testing to do on this like using different sample rates etc... but I was hoping someone might already have some insight into this. -=gary=- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Gary Mula / CALLEYE Productions / The Dutchman Singer-Songwriter / Producer Seattle, Washington, USA Team *AMIGA* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From gmula@nwlink.com Wed, 04 Feb 1998 10:03:33 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1641 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1648 (database) From: Gary Mula To: Gord Clink Subject: Re: Channel Playback Date: Wed, 4 Feb 98 19:03:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA11779for ; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 18:04:24 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA30637for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:02:38 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: cbd868d96c717108a97eb3ef05c78b0a On 04-Feb-98, Gord Clink wrote: >If anyone has any suggestions, please feel free to let me know Gord, can you re send your setup info? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Gary Mula / CALLEYE Productions / The Dutchman Singer-Songwriter / Producer Seattle, Washington, USA Team *AMIGA* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From dhomas@youngmonkey.ca Wed, 04 Feb 1998 14:11:02 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1572 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1649 (database) From: dhomas trenn To: Chris Reger Subject: Maestro Pro info Date: Wed, 4 Feb 98 20:11:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA12712for ; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 18:20:16 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA30819for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:16:53 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: young monkey studios MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 72c4ed7bf100e4b606aec6e31e43c80c Price ------ The card with software will be US$400. I'll pay the shipping and insurance. Payment must be in advance. About 4-5 weeks for delivery. I have to bring them in from Germany and then ship them out to you. Money order is preferred. Credit card is NOT possible. I've never seen these cards available for under US$800 NEW. I believe they were over US$1100 retail. If everyone acts fast and sends in their money quickly, I may be able to save you another US$25-$50. This depends on whether I can order all cards at once or not. If somebody takes two months to send their money, and others send it within a week, I don't really want to make the first ones wait. So, if everyone acts together, you could save more. The reason they are so cheap, is simply because a dealer in Germany has a large stock of them and is anxious to clear them out. These are NEW cards, and have been fully tested by my dealer. I've already bought one myself and have had no problems with it. These are private sale. If you want more than one, let me know and I can probably give you a little better price. Software included ------------------ - Samplitude MS 3.0 This is the main software for digitizing, editing and doing multi-track work (similar to Studio 16). This software has now been taken over by a new company (SEK'D I think it is). They are currently working on a new version of the software. - Maesto BR 2.0 This is the backup to DAT software. As I understand it, the Maestro Pro can be used to do backups to any audio DAT drive. I have not tried this out myself, as I have a SCSI DAT backup drive. - Maestix 41.20 This is the maestix.library, which provides developers documentation and interface. This also comes with a program called Maestix FX, which is probably the best thing in this package! It allows you to do realtime audio effects. It has many effects including Karaoke (voice removal). Maestix FX can also be used to add or remove the SCMS digital audio protecton. - Maestix AHI This is the AHI driver for the Maestro Pro. There's lots of PD AHI software available, and this card is supported by all of it (unlike the AD516 :(. Keep in mind that this card will be supported by the upcoming ProStation audio system. Maurizio tells me that the AD516 will not be supported. Please note... the manuals that come with the MaestroPro are in German. No English manuals were ever made (that's what Macrosystems told me). HOWEVER, the software is all in English and everything is user-friendly. So, you should be able to figure everything out. I expect that most of you will just want to use the card for digital transfers for use with Studio16 and the AD516. So, you'll probably only want to use something like AHI-Record with it (which does have English documentation :) Connectors ----------- - 1x optical IN - 1x coaxial IN - 1x optical OUT Please get back to me as soon as you can. Let me know when you are sending payment if you are confirming you want to order. thanks, -- dhomas. ********************************************************************** * * * young monkey studios EMail: dhomas@youngmonkey.ca * * ---------------- WWW: http://www.youngmonkey.ca/ * * dhomas trenn * * Snail: 797 Mitchell Street * * Fredericton, NB * * Phone: (506) 459-7088 CANADA E3B 3S8 * * * ********************************************************************** --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From dhomas@youngmonkey.ca Wed, 04 Feb 1998 14:14:22 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1584 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1650 (database) From: dhomas trenn To: Mike Masquith Subject: Maestro Pro info Date: Wed, 4 Feb 98 20:14:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA12718for ; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 18:20:25 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA30818for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:16:52 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: young monkey studios MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 9095db84afddda50079afc21fcd1b71e Mike, I thought you might like to see this just in case... RE the converter for optical to coaxial... I just got one yesterday (evaluating it today) which will be perfect... it's got a DtoA convertor in it too, which will be handy for hooking up the Maestro to my stereo for auditioning. I'll be paying probably about CAN$200 for the unit used (CAN$650 new). I've heard you can get them for about $100 in the US. It's the Audio Alchemy DDE v1.0. This company has a lot of other digital products too, that you might be interested in. Here's the Maestro Pro info... Price ------ The card with software will be US$400. I'll pay the shipping and insurance. Payment must be in advance. About 4-5 weeks for delivery. I have to bring them in from Germany and then ship them out to you. Money order is preferred. Credit card is NOT possible. I've never seen these cards available for under US$800 NEW. I believe they were over US$1100 retail. If everyone acts fast and sends in their money quickly, I may be able to save you another US$25-$50. This depends on whether I can order all cards at once or not. If somebody takes two months to send their money, and others send it within a week, I don't really want to make the first ones wait. So, if everyone acts together, you could save more. The reason they are so cheap, is simply because a dealer in Germany has a large stock of them and is anxious to clear them out. These are NEW cards, and have been fully tested by my dealer. I've already bought one myself and have had no problems with it. These are private sale. If you want more than one, let me know and I can probably give you a little better price. Software included ------------------ - Samplitude MS 3.0 This is the main software for digitizing, editing and doing multi-track work (similar to Studio 16). This software has now been taken over by a new company (SEK'D I think it is). They are currently working on a new version of the software. - Maesto BR 2.0 This is the backup to DAT software. As I understand it, the Maestro Pro can be used to do backups to any audio DAT drive. I have not tried this out myself, as I have a SCSI DAT backup drive. - Maestix 41.20 This is the maestix.library, which provides developers documentation and interface. This also comes with a program called Maestix FX, which is probably the best thing in this package! It allows you to do realtime audio effects. It has many effects including Karaoke (voice removal). Maestix FX can also be used to add or remove the SCMS digital audio protecton. - Maestix AHI This is the AHI driver for the Maestro Pro. There's lots of PD AHI software available, and this card is supported by all of it (unlike the AD516 :(. Keep in mind that this card will be supported by the upcoming ProStation audio system. Maurizio tells me that the AD516 will not be supported. Please note... the manuals that come with the MaestroPro are in German. No English manuals were ever made (that's what Macrosystems told me). HOWEVER, the software is all in English and everything is user-friendly. So, you should be able to figure everything out. I expect that most of you will just want to use the card for digital transfers for use with Studio16 and the AD516. So, you'll probably only want to use something like AHI-Record with it (which does have English documentation :) Connectors ----------- - 1x optical IN - 1x coaxial IN - 1x optical OUT Please get back to me as soon as you can. Let me know when you are sending payment if you are confirming you want to order. thanks, -- dhomas. ********************************************************************** * * * young monkey studios EMail: dhomas@youngmonkey.ca * * ---------------- WWW: http://www.youngmonkey.ca/ * * dhomas trenn * * Snail: 797 Mitchell Street * * Fredericton, NB * * Phone: (506) 459-7088 CANADA E3B 3S8 * * * ********************************************************************** --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From benfuller@msn.com Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:32:46 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1651 (database) From: Ben Fuller To: studio16 Subject: Re: Channel Playback Date: Wed, 4 Feb 98 19:32:00 Message-ID: <004501bd319b$7fa8c220$d041a8c0@ben200.macromedia.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA13525for ; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 18:36:34 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA31002for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:33:22 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: b453c91c99649c63ad700a006531d18a Gord Clink recently wrote: >My A3000/25 6MB (2MB Chip), has no other cards installed but the AD516, along with a small 120MB Conner drive I use for system files (OS 3.1), and a 2.1GB Quantum Fireball split into two 1GB partitions. I am using the onboard SCSI controller and am unsure which chip revisions I have (I will check though). > >I am using the OS3.1 FFS & Big Blocks with 8192kb blocks. I don't have diskspeed, but SysInfo reports 1.79MB/Sec transfer rate. The termination jumpers are not present on the motherboard. (I don't think there ever was any!!) > Diskspeed v4.2 shipped with Studio16 3.0 -- it should be in the Tools folder. The performance numbers from Diskspeed are probably the most accurate in terms of real-world system performance... It basically performs a bunch of disk io the same way an application would. The scsi bus should be terminated at both ends... Are the drives terminated? What versions of scsi.device and FastFileSystem? One thing to check for are multiple copies of the file system installed in the RDBs. The FastFileSystem that shipped with Studio16 is probably the best one to use. Another important number to look for is the CPU availability during disk transfers. What kind of performance does the 120M drive exhibit? How many 'Addbuffers' buffers does the partition have? The Buster chip revision is not relevant to the onboard scsi controller, however, the Ramsey revision can be important -- Ramsey contains some registers that didn't fit into Super DMAC. Ben. --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From goodidea@aye.net Wed, 04 Feb 1998 14:42:16 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1645 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1652 (database) From: GOOD IDEA! To: Gord Clink Subject: RE: Channel Playback Date: Wed, 4 Feb 98 10:42:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id TAA17598for ; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:45:29 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA31506for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 20:41:51 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 0c7580d1e346961c154c02353ba4ecf9 On 04-Feb-98, Gord Clink wrote: >I don't know, why what does Buster 11 do? The earlier Buster chips were a little buggy in that DMA transfers were affected. Some cards won't function without a Rev 11 Buster (Broadcaster and SoundStage Pro cards plus the Commodore SCSI card) and most other cards benefit, too. The 3000's Buster is socketed and easy to upgrade. Mark Needham GOOD IDEA! goodidea@aye.net Graphic design Photography Illustration Video Architecture Advertising Multi-media --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From ImJohn@worldnet.att.net Wed, 04 Feb 1998 11:57:57 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1650 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1653 (database) From: John Rice To: studio16 Subject: Optical To Coaxial Converter Date: Wed, 4 Feb 98 20:57:01 Message-ID: <34D8C845.3254505D@worldnet.att.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id TAA18157for ; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:56:03 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA31623for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 20:52:32 +0100 Organization: Ib Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 98478e9547acb65cf434d9e392a40788 To all, FYI there is an Optical To Coaxial Converter made by Fostex called the COP1. It's a small stand alone box ( looks sort of like an old Radio Shack phono pre amp ) and it's only $79.99 US! I don't have one but I saw it in the current Thoroughbred Music catalog. 1-800-800-4654 7726 Cheri Court Tampa Florida 33634 Take care! ImJohn@worldnet.att.net .......I play drums. --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From cyberbot@usa.net Wed, 04 Feb 1998 14:08:05 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1650 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1654 (database) From: CMM To: dhomas trenn Subject: Re: Maestro Pro info Date: Wed, 4 Feb 98 21:08:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id UAA19315for ; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 20:13:43 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA31799for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:10:13 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: CMM MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 0c900b8001c9c614608a7d193ac37990 dhomas, I have a question about these connectors you mention. I'm not really that familiar with all the stuff that most of you do with the AD516 nor in the type of Audio/Video work that appartently most of you do. All I use my AD516 for is for recording music. I am a guitarist primarily and use the AD516 as an 8 track multitracker. It makes a damn nice one as well! :) I do not have a DAT however I'm planning on getting one as well as a CD Writer. Anyway, I'm confused about the connectors for the MaestroPro. Optical and Coaxial? Please explain this to me.. The AD516 has RCA in and out, this I understand but the ones you mention are completely foreign to me. regards, Lee On 04-Feb-98, dhomas trenn wrote: >Connectors >----------- >- 1x optical IN >- 1x coaxial IN >- 1x optical OUT >Please get back to me as soon as you can. Let me know when you are >sending payment if you are confirming you want to order. >thanks, >-- >dhomas. >********************************************************************** >* * > * young monkey studios EMail: dhomas@youngmonkey.ca * > * ---------------- WWW: http://www.youngmonkey.ca/ * > * dhomas trenn * > * Snail: 797 Mitchell Street * > * Fredericton, NB * > * Phone: (506) 459-7088 CANADA E3B 3S8 * >* * >********************************************************************** >--- >*** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From beachler@iastate.edu Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:18:52 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1646 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1655 (database) From: Rich Beachler To: studio16 Subject: Re: Channel Playback Date: Wed, 4 Feb 98 21:18:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id UAA19739for ; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 20:19:05 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA31851for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:15:52 +0100 X-Sender: beachler@pop-2.iastate.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: f7c4dbf58fdf28bfc5c71f1f12328e46 Hello Gord, >My A3000/25 6MB (2MB Chip), has no other cards installed but the AD516, >along with a small 120MB Conner drive I use for system files (OS 3.1), and >a 2.1GB Quantum Fireball split into two 1GB partitions. I am using the >onboard SCSI controller and am unsure which chip revisions I have (I will >check though). > >I am using the OS3.1 FFS & Big Blocks with 8192kb blocks. I don't have >diskspeed, but SysInfo reports 1.79MB/Sec transfer rate. The termination >jumpers are not present on the motherboard. (I don't think there ever was >any!!) > >Gord Clink Was this drive ever previously used with the A2000 you mentioned in one of your posts? If it was, the DMA mask may be set for the old 16 bit BUS memory locations. This happened to me when I moved my Audio drive from my old A2500 to my A3000. If the DMA mask is incorrect, the drive will break the transfers up into a multitude of extremely small packets. Also, the newer Fireball may have active termination. Are the Conner and the Fireball both internal? They may have different kinds of termination (active and passive). That can sometime spell trouble. Check your DMA mask. An A3000 should have a value like 0xffffffff. An A2000 DMA mask will have less numbers. Good Luck! Rich Beachler beachler@iastate.edu --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From jacob@iag.net Wed, 04 Feb 1998 16:21:53 EST5EDT4,M4.1.0 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1654 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1656 (database) From: Jacob Ellis To: CMM Subject: Re: Maestro Pro info Date: Wed, 4 Feb 98 22:21:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA23346for ; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:23:50 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA32395for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 22:20:32 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 38ba2e51f543a269bb650102c5115265 On 04-Feb-98, CMM wrote: >dhomas, >I have a question about these connectors you >mention. I'm not really that familiar with all the >stuff that most of you do with the AD516 nor >in the type of Audio/Video work that appartently >most of you do. All I use my AD516 for is for >recording music. I am a guitarist primarily and >use the AD516 as an 8 track multitracker. It makes >a damn nice one as well! :) I do not have a DAT >however I'm planning on getting one as well >as a CD Writer. >Anyway, I'm confused about the connectors for >the MaestroPro. Optical and Coaxial? Please >explain this to me.. The AD516 has RCA in >and out, this I understand but the ones you >mention are completely foreign to me. Optical and coaxial are both consumer digital I/O connectors (SP/DIF - Sony Phillips digital interchange format (or something like that)). Coaxial uses an RCA jack but you need to use a high bandwidth cable (cheap audio cable is not good enough). Optical uses a fiber optic cable. Professional digital audio gear uses a balanced (differential) signal and XLR type connectors. The format here is called AES/EBU (Audio Engineering Society/European Broadcast Union). The formats are not comaptible, but often pro gear will have both AES/EBU and SP/DIF. If you only plan to use your AD516 to pre-master for CD-R, then you don't really have to worry about digital I/O. However, if you want to output to a standalone CD-Recorder or DAT, you would want to use digital I/O to prevent loss of quality that happens during the re-digitizing that takes place over an analog transfer (figure you will loose a few dB of signal/noise ratio everytime you go from analog to digital or vice versa, etc.). Jacob -- jacob@iag.net --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From jacob@iag.net Wed, 04 Feb 1998 16:27:21 EST5EDT4,M4.1.0 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1655 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1657 (database) From: Jacob Ellis To: Rich Beachler Subject: Re: Channel Playback Date: Wed, 4 Feb 98 22:27:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA23475for ; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:27:56 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA32503for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 22:26:03 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 5d9cd82c257eddd91ed7444e7ae20bfb On 04-Feb-98, Rich Beachler wrote: >Check your DMA mask. An A3000 should have a value like 0xffffffff. An A2000 >DMA mask will have less numbers. Just a quick comment, the DMA mask on internal A3k SCSI should be 0x7ffffffe. For a Zorro2 SCSI device (whether A2/3/4k) the DMA mask should be 0xfffffe. Jacob -- jacob@iag.net --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From support@dissidents.com Wed, 04 Feb 1998 18:22:01 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1647 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1658 (database) From: Jim To: studio16 Subject: Re: Editor Schizoidia Date: Thu, 5 Feb 98 00:22:00 Message-ID: <34D8F819.6218@dissidents.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id XAA28581for ; Wed, 4 Feb 1998 23:17:00 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA00757for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 00:13:04 +0100 Organization: dissidents X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-GZone (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 77aa6fa4dc250708cc4d759ef19291eb Gary Mula wrote: > > For some time now I have had problems with the editor not properly > drawing some samples when zooming in under 6 seconds. > > Lets say you are looking at 20 seconds or so of dialogue, you draw > out a 5 second region of 6 words easily identifiable (6 envelopes), > then click Show Region. Now the the image appears to have no > relationship to the area you drew out, not even close. In fact the > wave can look rather eratic. Playing the region confirms that it is > the correct area but the moving play line and the wave do not > correspond to the sound. > > If you zoom out there is a point where the image appears correct > again. If you zoom farther in it continues to be non representable. This may or may not be your problem, but Studio 16 does some "kind of strange" things when drawing waveforms. Most notable is that it's not really polarity sensitive. You don't tend to notice this when zoomed out, but it looks very weird once you zoom in. Basically, S16 determines the greatest amplitude for the area represented by a given pixel (one pixel horizontally might represent 100 or 400 or 32 etc. sample points). It does this as an absolute calculation, and then uses that number to draw both the positive and negative parts of the waveform. Thus, if you're looking at a highly asymetrical waveform which has a sharp, high positive peak along with a low broad negative area, S16 will draw it as large peaks for both negative and positive. In other words, it's as if S16 fullwave rectifies the signal and draws that result above and mirrored below the 0 line. It's very easy to see this with another editor which _is_ polarity sensitive. --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From gmula@nwlink.com Wed, 04 Feb 1998 19:15:43 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1658 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1659 (database) From: Gary Mula To: Jim Subject: Re: Editor Schizoidia Date: Thu, 5 Feb 98 04:15:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id DAA09853for ; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 03:18:26 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA02450for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 04:14:53 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 0ff7ec7c0d6d5f2f41fc1025899073ec On 04-Feb-98, Jim wrote: >Gary Mula wrote: >> For some time now I have had problems with the editor not properly >> drawing some samples when zooming in under 6 seconds. >> >This may or may not be your problem, but Studio 16 does some "kind of >strange" things when drawing waveforms. Most notable is that it's not >really polarity sensitive. You don't tend to notice this when zoomed >out, >but it looks very weird once you zoom in. Thanks Jim for responding. Unfortunantly this symptom is definantly something buggy. I have noticed what you are refering to and even though it looks wierd when zooming in, I can still get some sort of representation of where a sample starts and ends when zoomed in close. My situation is off the richter scale in terms of being a problem. It completely obscures the actuall placement of amplitude... positive or negitive, scrambling it, making it incomprehensible. Though I would still love someone to coaborate my Editor Schizoidia, maybe the technique S16 uses to draw wave forms, as you mention here, deserves a closer looking at as well. Could you elaborate on the pros and cons of representing a wave form this way? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Gary Mula / CALLEYE Productions / The Dutchman Singer-Songwriter / Producer Seattle, Washington, USA Team *AMIGA* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From TELESTAR@vianet.com.mx Wed, 04 Feb 1998 21:34:33 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1654 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1660 (database) From: Alfonso Curiel M. To: studio16 Subject: Re: Maestro Pro info Date: Thu, 5 Feb 98 04:34:00 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980204213433.007d7a70@mail.vianet.com.mx> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id DAA10399for ; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 03:38:07 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA02616for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 04:34:53 +0100 X-Sender: TELESTAR@mail.vianet.com.mx X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 302eee8e2d0a9a95e2718dacd7250162 At 04:21 PM 4/02/98 EST5EDT4,M4.1., you wrote: >However, if you want to output to a standalone CD-Recorder or DAT, you >would want to use digital I/O to prevent loss of quality that happens >during the re-digitizing that takes place over an analog transfer (figure >you will loose a few dB of signal/noise ratio everytime you go from analog >to digital or vice versa, etc.). How can i hear or see this dB loss? I'm doing some dialogue editing now in Studio 16, the sound comes from DAT and goes to DA88, how much am i loosing here in this setup? --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From dhomas@youngmonkey.ca Thu, 05 Feb 1998 00:34:30 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1660 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1661 (database) From: dhomas trenn To: Alfonso Curiel M. Subject: Loss of quality in analog recording... as opposed to digital. Date: Thu, 5 Feb 98 06:34:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id EAA13371for ; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 04:36:39 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA02965for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 05:33:11 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: young monkey studios MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 0f9397f97a26a1e91272c94141eee6b3 Alfonso spoke and whirled like a Dervish divine: > I'm doing some dialogue editing now in Studio 16, the sound comes from DAT > and goes to DA88, how much am i loosing here in this setup? Well, using the analog INs and OUTs on the AD516 (or any sound card) you are reducing the quality each time it passes through the DtoA and AtoD conversion process. From DAT to Amiga (analog) reduced quality... from Amiga back to DAT... reduced quality again. Remember too, that if you record the original source to DAT using analog... that's a third reduction in quality (though very likely a lot less reduction than recording analog with the AD516). Recording analog, you can introduce interference from your computer and all sorts of other nasties into the audio signal. There's also the process of converting from analog to digital using the AD516 AtoD convertor... and the other way too... DtoA. Analog recording, no matter how quality it is, always degrades the signal some amount... whether that's audible or not is up to the listener. The amount of reduction in quality is entirely dependent on your cables, DtoA/AtoD converters, computer noise/interference, etc. If you transfered digitally from DAT to Amiga, and Amiga to DAT you would have ZERO reduction in quality, since the data always stays in the digital domain. I'm using digital transfer from DAT with the MaestroPro now, and I can tell a difference between the digital version, and an identical clip digitized from the Amiga... I expect that interference from all the other cards in my Amiga is a big factor... Don't get me wrong... I'm not saying that recording analog with the AD516 sucks it just isn't as good as digital... but then everyone knows that, don't they? There's so many variables along the way that introduce NOISE into an audio recording that it's always best to reduce all possibilities as much as possible. Unless of course, you want NOISE.... ala the debate of CD versus VINYL. :) -- dhomas. ********************************************************************** * * * young monkey studios EMail: dhomas@youngmonkey.ca * * ---------------- WWW: http://www.youngmonkey.ca/ * * dhomas trenn * * Snail: 797 Mitchell Street * * Fredericton, NB * * Phone: (506) 459-7088 CANADA E3B 3S8 * * * ********************************************************************** --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From support@dissidents.com Thu, 05 Feb 1998 10:42:35 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1659 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1662 (database) From: Jim To: studio16 Subject: Re: Editor Schizoidia Date: Thu, 5 Feb 98 16:42:00 Message-ID: <34D9DDEB.563A@dissidents.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id PAA24115for ; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:36:13 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA07050for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 16:33:42 +0100 Organization: dissidents X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-GZone (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 200f05c4321f49344a57fbf062013259 Gary Mula wrote: > > Though I would still love someone to coaborate my Editor > Schizoidia, maybe the technique S16 uses to draw wave forms, as > you mention here, deserves a closer looking at as well. > Could you elaborate on the pros and cons of representing a wave > form this way? To be honest with you, I really can't think of any _major_ pros. My background is electrical engineering, and thus, I'm use to looking at real waveforms on 'scopes. (Consequently, when I started Sample Wrench one of the things I wanted was a display as accurate and flexible as a 'scope). With S16's technique, you can't build the graph file any faster since you still need to search for both maxima and minima and the redraw still requires 2 points per horizontal pixel. The graph file can be half the size, but that's because you essentially threw out half of the data. Thus, you "purchased" a half-size graph file by "paying" with the ability to see any waveform asymetry. At higher magnifications, the drawing is downright misleading. Zoomed out, you tend not to notice it. Seeing that a graph file is a small percentage of the audio file itself, you're not saving much disk space. I don't know if S16 caches the graph file in RAM - if it does, there is clearly a memory savings. As always, it's a design decision. You try to balance resource usage versus performance. If they're caching it, maybe RAM usage became a problem with large files on small machines (?) Mind you, I never reverse engineered their graph file format, so the above is a general observation about what _might_ be, not what _is_. --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From gmula@nwlink.com Thu, 05 Feb 1998 08:50:59 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1662 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1663 (database) From: Gary Mula To: Jim Subject: Re: Editor Schizoidia Date: Thu, 5 Feb 98 17:50:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id QAA28980for ; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 16:52:23 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA07663for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 17:50:14 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 71e4ace4418df17f874936591e9cc9d6 On 05-Feb-98, Jim wrote: >you still need to search for both maxima and minima and the redraw still >requires 2 points per horizontal pixel. The graph file can be half the >size, but that's because you essentially threw out half of the Jim, is this evidenced by some horizontal lines? >Seeing that a graph file is a small percentage of the audio file >itself, you're not saving much disk space. I don't know if S16 caches >the graph file in RAM - The S16 graph files are all similar in size, somewhere just under 200k. While is does store the file with it's wave file on the drive, I think it does cache the graph in ram. So I assume from what you are saying, that when you are drawing down a peak or some other very minute part of the wave, that you are actually affecting more than what you are seeing, and that S16 must be doing some sort of computational funtion to square up what you see with what you don't see. Can you hear this? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Gary Mula / CALLEYE Productions / The Dutchman Singer-Songwriter / Producer Seattle, Washington, USA Team *AMIGA* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From sag@cae.ca Thu, 05 Feb 1998 13:49:46 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1664 (database) From: Serge A Guilbert To: studio16 Subject: Re: Editor Schizoidia -Reply Date: Thu, 5 Feb 98 19:49:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id TAA07837for ; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 19:10:43 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA08395for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 20:08:16 +0100 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 13cb3011aa92806362d74e4fe5a7d33f -->Though I would still love someone to coaborate my Editor This may, or may not be related, but I've noticed that if you zoom in with the editor, make a manual change to the waveform, and use the arrow buttons to move to the next section, all changes are lost. Sounding off; Serge A. Guilbert, B.Eng CAE Electronics, Flight Simulators, Sound Group (514)341-6780 x4129 sag@cae.ca ________________________________________________________ A Wise Old Man Once Told Me: "Go Away!!!". And So, I Did ________________________________________________________ --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From jacob@iag.net Thu, 05 Feb 1998 16:33:58 EST5EDT4,M4.1.0 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1660 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1665 (database) From: Jacob Ellis To: Alfonso Curiel M. Subject: Re: Maestro Pro info Date: Thu, 5 Feb 98 22:33:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA15602for ; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 21:35:27 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA09410for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 22:32:44 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 80ae10d4a36f537fddbbd0beec3ba35e On 05-Feb-98, Alfonso Curiel M. wrote: >How can i hear or see this dB loss? >I'm doing some dialogue editing now in Studio 16, the sound comes from DAT >and goes to DA88, how much am i loosing here in this setup? Everytime you go through redigitization you supposedly loose 3dB (I don't think this is an exact figure as each application will obviously be different - but it is an industry accepted figure). Each time you redigitize you are adding more noise and quantization errors to your signal. My math sucks, but since you go through two redigitizations and dB is logarithmic, you could at worse be loosing 9dB of signal/noise ratio. Certainly much less than if you were using analog tape machines. :) Can you hear it? Probably not that much. I can hear it if I digitize a good quality CD and compare the two right away, but otherwise I wouldn't really notice. Jacob -- jacob@iag.net --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@bigsky.net Thu, 05 Feb 1998 18:14:19 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1665 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1666 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: S16: scalic deciBel comparisons Date: Fri, 6 Feb 98 02:14:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id BAA27574for ; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 01:16:45 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA10888for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 02:14:45 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id CAA10886 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 1c4d5cb32e04c234d719553403b2150b On 05-Feb-98, Alfonso Curiel M. wrote: >>How can i hear or see this dB loss? >>I'm doing some dialogue editing now in Studio 16, the sound comes from >>DAT and goes to DA88, how much am i loosing here in this setup? Jacob Ellis , 05-Feb-98: >Everytime you go through redigitization you supposedly loose 3dB (I don't >think this is an exact figure as each application will obviously be >different - but it is an industry accepted figure). Each time you >redigitize you are adding more noise and quantization errors to your >signal. >My math sucks, but since you go through two redigitizations and dB is >logarithmic, you could at worse be loosing 9dB of signal/noise ratio. >Certainly much less than if you were using analog tape machines. :) >Can you hear it? Probably not that much. I can hear it if I digitize a >good quality CD and compare the two right away, but otherwise I wouldn't >really notice. Years ago several magazines did studies. The one I remember most clearly (_Mix_, I believe) involved "golden-ear" types doing blindfold listening through multiple generations of dats playing into recording dats using the analog ports. Later, through consensus, they concluded that 20 [twenty] generations seemed to be a crucial quality boundary. This was through ADCs and DACs of that day, which have considerably improved since then. Whether we would consider treating our masters to this, the point was, with oversampling and quality circuitry, analog playback from digital storage had so little degradation compared to analog-to-analog copying that it still was of great advantage to work in digital, even if conversion had to take place several times. That 3dB figure people are tossing around is /erroneous./ And by the way, 3dB is a significantly-audible amount in broad-spectrum (20-20K) sound. 9 is a ridiculous amount, especially if you are already at a 72dB s/n ratio! Two losses of 3dB is 6dB. db itself is a logarithmic measurement, and does not need to be multiplied to signify a logarithmic change. Quality DACs and ADCs have little to do with the dynamic range on a decent board. Signal-to-noise is determined more by whatever the weak link in the chain is -- computer-induced noise, theoretical limit of storage bits (ie 96db for 16-bit), cabling, grounding schemes and integrity, mixing board quality, etc. The ear is still the best measuring instrument there is. Also the one most attached to the brain unfortunately. ;) Nonetheless, it is the best way to determine whether a complex signal has integrity in an artistic setting. In conjunction with the oscilliscope I have hidden here behind the curtain ... -- *greenboy* NO AMIGA TO WASTE -- http://thunderstorms.org/NATW John Shirley, Dave Wolverton, Gene Wolfe, Phillip K Dick // Team Ursula K LeGuin, William Gibson, Bruce Sterling, David Brin \X/ AMIGA Greg Bear, Neal Stephenson, Vernor Vinge, Kim Stanley Robinson --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@bigsky.net Thu, 05 Feb 1998 18:53:46 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1667 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: S16: Staying Digital has Staying Power Date: Fri, 6 Feb 98 02:53:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id BAA29463for ; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 01:55:53 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA11198for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 02:54:00 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id CAA11196 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no{Skirting the discussion of MaestroPro,and lamenting the nonproduction of the AD524} X-UIDL: c4532a6c7d5df8cc87e2ae6c354aff9f Even though good DACs and ADCs are darned good indeed, there is still much to be said for staying in the digital realm for transfers. The idea of having sound represented by a string of ones and zeros that are replicated each time a copy is made, without change -- even when a copy of a copy of a copy is used -- has a certain draw. Not using circuitry that is open to interpretive error or degradation from leakage of other nearby circuitries -- well, all audio engineers have wished to make an end-run in this realm! The faults of the storage medium can somewhat be minimized as well. Archivists are also attracted by the digital ideal. But many top-end houses still prefer the best analog archival money can buy, due to the shelf-life issues. DAT, ADAT, and DA (hi-8) tapes, for instance are all bad bets for even short-term, due to tape and transport liabilities. CDs and optical are rapidly becoming more in favor since the introduction of 20-24-bit methods, though no-one knows yet /for sure/ how long they can last. Typical solutions are side-by-side analog /and/ digital archival mastering. Cover your bets: the record companies believe the people of the future will want their Madonna unsullied (at least in the audio realm)! -- *greenboy* NO AMIGA TO WASTE -- http://thunderstorms.org/NATW John Shirley, Dave Wolverton, Gene Wolfe, Phillip K Dick // Team Ursula K LeGuin, William Gibson, Bruce Sterling, David Brin \X/ AMIGA Greg Bear, Neal Stephenson, Vernor Vinge, Kim Stanley Robinson --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From sag@cae.ca Thu, 05 Feb 1998 21:39:35 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1668 (database) From: Serge A Guilbert To: studio16 Subject: S16: scalic deciBel comparisons -Reply Date: Fri, 6 Feb 98 03:39:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id CAA01747for ; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 02:45:20 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA11479for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 03:43:33 +0100 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 087e5c16860d8c43accabddda2b02879 -->Years ago several magazines did studies. The one I remember most clearly -->(_Mix_, I believe) involved "golden-ear" types doing blindfold listening -->through multiple generations of dats playing into recording dats using the -->analog ports. Later, through consensus, they concluded that 20 [twenty] -->generations seemed to be a crucial quality boundary. A while ago, for my own satisfaction, I did some bounce tests between the AD516 and my reel-to-reel. I stopped after 15-20 bounces, and I must say, even though I could hear a slight loss in the high end, I thought the overall loss sensation was pretty much negligeable. Don't forget, this included 10 bounces to an analog medium (the reel-to-reel). If I recall, I also did multiple internal bounces in the AD516, and it was even better. -->This was through ADCs and DACs of that day, which have considerably improved -->since then. Whether we would consider treating our masters to this, the -->point was, with oversampling and quality circuitry, analog playback from -->digital storage had so little degradation compared to analog-to-analog -->copying that it still was of great advantage to work in digital, even if -->conversion had to take place several times. Agreed. -->That 3dB figure people are tossing around is /erroneous./ And by the way, -->3dB is a significantly-audible amount in broad-spectrum (20-20K) sound. 9 is -->a ridiculous amount, especially if you are already at a 72dB s/n ratio! Finally! A voice of reason to soothe our trembling tweeters. It isn't always wise to vicariously throw numbers around, well..., vicariously. :>) Going by the previous assessment, we'd soon be hearing more Noise than Signal, even after a few bounces. My, my, how did we ever survive in the BD (Before Digital) era? And shame on me. I was just about ready to scrap my entire setup, and advocate a return to live radio performance. OK, OK. Enough sarcasm. Please accept my apologies. -->Two losses of 3dB is 6dB. db itself is a logarithmic measurement, and does -->not need to be multiplied to signify a logarithmic change. Just a tiny, tiny correction, if I may so indulge (no offense intended). dB's are expressed logarithmically, and hence, can only be added logarithmically. FYI, Excerpt from an Ohio State University FAQ sheet: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/physics-faq/acoustics/faq.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********************************************************************************* *** 2.5 How do sound levels add ? If there are two sound sources in a room - for example a radio producing an average sound level of 62.0 dB, and a television producing a sound level of 73.0 dB - then the total sound level is a logarithmic sum ie Combined sound level = 10 x lg ( 10^(62/10) + 10^(73/10) ) = 73.3 dB Note: for two different sounds, the combined level cannot be more than 3 dB above the higher of the two sound levels. However, if the sounds are phase related there can be up to a 6dB increase in SPL (Sound Pressure Level). ********************************************************************************* -->Quality DACs and ADCs have little to do with the dynamic range on a decent -->board. Signal-to-noise is determined more by whatever the weak link in the -->chain is -- computer-induced noise, theoretical limit of storage bits (ie -->96db for 16-bit), cabling, grounding schemes and integrity, mixing board -->quality, etc. Yes, yes yes. -->The ear is still the best measuring instrument there is. Also the one most -->attached to the brain unfortunately. ;) Nonetheless, it is the best way to -->determine whether a complex signal has integrity in an artistic setting. In -->conjunction with the oscilliscope I have hidden here behind the curtain ... Truer words hath rarely been spoked, minus yon scopeth. BTW, you overlooked the inevitable enticement of the largely hypnotic effect of watching the dancing wave, much akin to staring somberly into a fireplace for hours on end... But hey, what do I know. Sounding off; Serge A. Guilbert, B.Eng CAE Electronics, Flight Simulators, Sound Group (514)341-6780 x4129 sag@cae.ca ________________________________________________________ A Wise Old Man Once Told Me: "Go Away!!!". And So, I Did ________________________________________________________ --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@bigsky.net Thu, 05 Feb 1998 21:32:44 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1669 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: S16: scalic deciBel comparisons are compared Date: Fri, 6 Feb 98 05:32:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id EAA07292for ; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 04:35:49 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA11967for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 05:33:17 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id FAA11965 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.nothe greenboy diatribe, in conjunction withSerge A Guilbert, 05-Feb-98: X-UIDL: e15f24bd6921c3c0168ba8b0fc766e08 >>20 [twenty] generations seemed to be a crucial quality boundary. >A while ago, for my own satisfaction, I did some bounce tests between the >AD516 and my reel-to-reel. I stopped after 15-20 bounces, and I must say, >even though I could hear a slight loss in the high end, I thought the >overall loss sensation was pretty much negligeable. Don't forget, this >included 10 bounces to an analog medium (the reel-to-reel). If I recall, I >also did multiple internal bounces in the AD516, and it was even better. Head-bump (buildup of lower bass frequencies), tape hiss, and slight wow-flutter exaggerations possible each tape bounce, but at higher tape speeds on a well-set-up deck, within the realm of useability, depending whether it will be in a bed, or exposed. >Finally! A voice of reason to soothe our trembling tweeters. It isn't >always wise to vicariously throw numbers around, well..., vicariously. :>) Paraphrase: if you are going to make up numbers, research things a bit first! :>) :>) >Going by the previous assessment, we'd soon be hearing more Noise than >Signal, even after a few bounces. My, my, how did we ever survive in the BD >(Before Digital) era? And shame on me. I was just about ready to scrap my Yeah, just sending these replies back and forth twice necessitates going back to stone tablets and heiroglyphics, to check for parity %^\ >>Two losses of 3dB is 6dB. db itself is a logarithmic measurement, and does >>not need to be multiplied to signify a logarithmic change. >Just a tiny, tiny correction, if I may so indulge (no offense intended). >dB's are expressed logarithmically, and hence, can only be added >logarithmically. >FYI, Excerpt from an Ohio State University FAQ sheet: > --snip-- > --major snip-- > --snip-snippety-snip-- Ah! Someone else who appreciates a good White Paper. We are talking about two different types of situations, however. YOURS: two *simultaneous* sound sources in an *acoustic* space (similar to the classic "two-unison-trumpets-not-twice-as-loud" example found in big band or orchestral arranging handbooks). MINE: Relative to a fixed reference point (ie the noise floor, or any reference voltage) a signal runs through circuitry that induces 3dB dynamic range loss. It is then run through another (near-identical) circuit that also results in 3dB less headroom. This does in fact add up to a 6dB loss, relative to the original reference. . . . So we are both right? >>The ear is still the best measuring instrument there is. Also the one most >>attached to the brain unfortunately. ;) Nonetheless, it is the best way to >>determine whether a complex signal has integrity in an artistic setting. >>In conjunction with the oscilliscope I have hidden here behind the curtain >Truer words hath rarely been spoked, minus yon scopeth. BTW, you >overlooked the inevitable enticement of the largely hypnotic effect of >watching the dancing wave, much akin to staring somberly into a fireplace >for hours on end... I keep the scope behind the curtain, only looking when I hear the Wizard's voice . . . -- *greenboy* NO AMIGA TO WASTE -- http://thunderstorms.org/NATW John Shirley, Dave Wolverton, Gene Wolfe, Phillip K Dick // Team Ursula K LeGuin, William Gibson, Bruce Sterling, David Brin \X/ AMIGA Greg Bear, Neal Stephenson, Vernor Vinge, Kim Stanley Robinson --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From john.blyth@edserv.monash.edu.au Fri, 6 Feb 1998 17:20:06 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1670 (database) From: John Blyth To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16: scalic deciBel comparisons are compared Date: Fri, 6 Feb 98 18:20:00 Message-ID: <19980206.73E48C0.F510@control.edserv.monash.edu.au> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id GAA12212for ; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 06:25:54 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA12505for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 07:23:55 +0100 X-Mailer: AVM - V1.3.2 Organization: Monash University, Teaching Services Unit Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 3694b9669573be8c5a64beedbc662741 Your message "> S16: scalic deciBel comparisons are compared" of 05 FEB 98 21:32 said: > YOURS: two *simultaneous* sound sources in an *acoustic* space (similar to the classic "two-unison-trumpets-not-twice-as-loud" example found in big band or orchestral arranging handbooks). > > MINE: Relative to a fixed reference point (ie the noise floor, or any > reference voltage) a signal runs through circuitry that induces 3dB dynamic range loss. It is then run through another (near-identical) circuit that also results in 3dB less headroom. This does in fact add up to a 6dB loss, relative to the original reference. > > . . . So we are both right? > Yes & no, it depends whether the sound sources are coherent (in phase) in which case the signal sources add to become a 6db increase in level. When the signal sources are incoherent (such as noise) the average level of the noise signal increases by only 3db. After all, noise, particularly thermal noise generated by passive components, can be thought of as a simple, random (and unwanted) signal source. Induced hum can get a bit trickier because at low frequencies there is a larger chance that the relative phases of the harmonics of the signal will be in phase. Then there are the distortion products, however generated, and the quantization noise/distortion inherent in extremely low signal levels that are digitized (due to the reduced bit resolution) and reconverted. --//\\------------------------------------------------------------------------ //* \\ regards: JOHN BLYTH, MONASH UNIVERSITY, TEACHING SERVICES UNIT //* *\\ email: john.blyth@edserv.monash.edu.au + \\ addr: PO Box 197 Caulfield East, Victoria, Australia 3145 * \\ tel: +61 3 9903 2743 fax: +61 3 9903 2799 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@bigsky.net Fri, 06 Feb 1998 00:22:32 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1670 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1671 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: S16: deciBel: a chaotic non-rebuttal Date: Fri, 6 Feb 98 08:22:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id HAA14891for ; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 07:26:42 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA12788for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 08:23:22 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id IAA12786 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 74d908b2051b34186d6c735abfd0dc94 >> "S16: scalic deciBel comparisons are compared" >> >>YOURS: two *simultaneous* sound sources in an *acoustic* space (similar >>to the classic "two-unison-trumpets-not-twice-as-loud" example found in >>big band or orchestral arranging handbooks). >> >>MINE: Relative to a fixed reference point (ie the noise floor, or any >>reference voltage) signal runs through circuitry that induces 3dB dynamic >>range loss. It is then run through another (near-identical) circuit that >>also results in 3dB less headroom. This does in fact add up to a 6dB loss, >>relative to the original reference. >> >> . . . So we are both right? > John Blyth , 06-Feb-98: >Yes & no, it depends whether the sound sources are coherent (in phase) in >which case the signal sources add to become a 6db increase in level. When >the signal sources are incoherent (such as noise) the average level of the >noise signal increases by only 3db. Two trumpet players playing together in phase? Now we have crossed the threshold into -- THE THEORETICAL ZONE. [doo-doo-doo-doo.] Whoops! Perhaps you were referring to the {3db and then 3db more} example. =^] >After all, noise, particularly thermal noise generated by passive >components, can be thought of as a simple, random (and unwanted) signal >source. Induced hum can get a bit trickier because at low frequencies there >is a larger chance that the relative phases of the harmonics of the signal >will be in phase. Then there are the distortion products, however >generated, and the quantization noise/distortion inherent in extremely low >signal levels that are digitized (due to the reduced bit resolution) and >reconverted. This appears to be like many other answers involving decibel-related measurements. While quantifying simple-state voltages things appear cut-and dried, but once involking the ear -- a bit more chaotic, though still bearing perceptual similarities. I will still argue that when 3db of "noise" is introduced during encode, then stored to media, then decoded through circuitry that degrades the s/n ratio 3db more: that it will produce *significantly* more than 3db in the real world and nearer to 6db, (but certainly and definitely not 9 db). There? {If 3bd + 3db and then + 3db and then + 3db more = 3 db! -- why, digital recording probably would not have ever been invested in} Of course, when we start talking about perceptual masking, weighting curves, and the like, the answers change once again... -- *greenboy* NO AMIGA TO WASTE -- http://thunderstorms.org/NATW John Shirley, Dave Wolverton, Gene Wolfe, Phillip K Dick // Team Ursula K LeGuin, William Gibson, Bruce Sterling, David Brin \X/ AMIGA Greg Bear, Neal Stephenson, Vernor Vinge, Kim Stanley Robinson --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From support@dissidents.com Fri, 06 Feb 1998 07:57:41 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1663 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1672 (database) From: Jim To: studio16 Subject: Re: Editor Schizoidia Date: Fri, 6 Feb 98 13:57:00 Message-ID: <34DB08C5.114B@dissidents.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id MAA03671for ; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 12:51:14 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA14221for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 13:48:56 +0100 Organization: dissidents X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-GZone (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 7b66cfcbf4e2f2f8ade6fd3e63b1ce77 Gary Mula wrote: > > On 05-Feb-98, Jim wrote: > > >you still need to search for both maxima and minima and the redraw still > >requires 2 points per horizontal pixel. The graph file can be half the > >size, but that's because you essentially threw out half of the > > Jim, is this evidenced by some horizontal lines? It shouldn't be. See below. > So I assume from what you are saying, that when you are drawing > down a peak or some other very minute part of the wave, that you > are actually affecting more than what you are seeing, and that S16 > must be doing some sort of computational funtion to square up > what you see with what you don't see. Sort of. Look at it this way, say your wave has 100,000 points and the edit window is 500 pixels wide. Each of those pixels needs to somehow represent 200 sample points. How do you do this? Do you find the average? Do you find the peaks? How about RMS? Something else? That choice determines what the waveform is going to look like in the editor. At the same time, the mouse can only resolve to 1 pixel, so you are in effect defining edit areas in terms of 200 sample point chunks. Mind you, there's nothing that says we're always going to end up with such a nice round number or that it will even be that small. A 1 minute audio file at 44.1 kHz contains over 2.5 million points. Each pixel now represents about 5000 sample points (more than 1/10 second). A lot of editors (I don't about S16 because I never tested it) in order to speed up drawing will just skip over much of the data, using perhaps every other point, every third point, and so on. The result is a visual alias (we've under-sampled, and the result is not perfectly accurate). The S16 designers made certain choices about how they wanted to handle the above situation, and the display corresponds to that. I've never seen their code, but I can give you a little insight: If you want to make sure that the display is peak-accurate, then you can never skip over data. OTOH, if you examine every data point, that could get expensive time-wise. If you do anything "fancy" like an RMS calculation, although you do wind up with a display that correlates well to perceived volume, you never see the peaks or possible clipped points (and the calculation is much more expensive time-wise). Caching the display data (peak, avg, RMS, whatever) can help you on subsequent redraws, although extra memory is now needed to store this info. How does the designer balance this? In about a hundred different ways! I have seen some professional big-name editors which don't handle this situation that well (IMHO) and some which do (I'm talking both Amiga and Windows 95 applications). Now that I've given you the history of clocks, do you know what time it is? :-) --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From gclink@dryden.net Fri, 6 Feb 1998 08:21:44 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1673 (database) From: Gord Clink To: 'studio16@thule.no' Subject: Wow!! Finally!! Date: Fri, 6 Feb 98 15:21:00 Message-ID: <01BD32D8.4615CB00@gclink.avenor.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id OAA09338for ; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 14:25:13 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA14795for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 15:22:15 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: bastionhost.avenor.com: Host [10.100.240.153] claimed to be gclink.avenor.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id PAA14792 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 49b0d02e92bf3e35383a1bd0d7bc0898 I finally figured out my "Too Fast/Too Slow" smpte problem..... Everytime I would record time code, my reel-to-reel was cold. After playing with it for a several minutes, it would heat up, and I would get the dreaded error. Then I would be frustrated, go to bed, get up and try it again, with the same results. Finally I left the deck on for several hours before striping time code. It worked fine all night. Then when I got up in the morning and tried it.... Guess what? I got the "Too Fast/Too Slow error" !!!! So I let it sit and warm up for a little while.... And presto.... It worked again.....:) I think I will document this and post it somewhere so nobody else will go through all the headaches I went through..... Thank you all for all your help and suggestions Gord Clink gclink@dryden.net --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@bigsky.net Fri, 06 Feb 1998 08:10:16 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1673 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1674 (database) From: greenboy To: Gord Clink Subject: S16: Wow!! Finally!! AMEN!! Date: Fri, 6 Feb 98 16:10:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id PAA12016for ; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 15:13:10 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA15048for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 16:10:54 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id QAA15046 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: a9e06c044befaf05c1cfee6284745f07 Gord Clink , 06-Feb-98: >I finally figured out my "Too Fast/Too Slow" smpte problem..... > --snip-- So I let it sit and warm up for >a little while.... And presto.... It worked again.....:) >I think I will document this and post it somewhere so nobody else will go >through all the headaches I went through..... Congrats, Gord. The wonderful world of interaction again makes its presence known . . . What deck was that again? Is the oil 30w or 10/30? ;^/ -- *greenboy* NO AMIGA TO WASTE -- http://thunderstorms.org/NATW John Shirley, Dave Wolverton, Gene Wolfe, Phillip K Dick // Team Ursula K LeGuin, William Gibson, Bruce Sterling, David Brin \X/ AMIGA Greg Bear, Neal Stephenson, Vernor Vinge, Kim Stanley Robinson --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@bigsky.net Fri, 06 Feb 1998 08:26:56 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1675 (database) From: greenboy To: Jim Subject: S16: Ed Schizoidia, Its Howdy Do-it Time! Date: Fri, 6 Feb 98 16:26:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id PAA13095for ; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 15:31:40 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA15220for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 16:28:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 9311b74c5ed037933a4bfeb57e460c76 Gary Mula wrote: >> >> So I assume from what you are saying, that when you are drawing >> down a peak or some other very minute part of the wave, that you >> are actually affecting more than what you are seeing, and that S16 Jim , 06-Feb-98: > >Look at it this way, say your wave has 100,000 points and the edit > --snip-- >so you are in effect defining edit areas in terms of 200 sample point > --snip-- >using perhaps every other point, every third point, and so on. The >result is a visual alias (we've under-sampled, and the result is >not perfectly accurate). > >The S16 designers made certain choices about how they wanted to handle > --snip-- >make sure that the display is peak-accurate, then you can never skip >over data. OTOH, if you examine every data point, that could get > --snip-- >I have seen some professional big-name editors which don't handle >this situation that well (IMHO) and some which do (I'm talking both >Amiga and Windows 95 applications). > >Now that I've given you the history of clocks, do you know what time >it is? :-) IT'S TIME TO EDIT in SampleWrench, whenever the sample is small enough! The S16 edits are usually fine for "splicing" in conjunction with crossfades, but to go down into micro-world requires a microscope. -- *greenboy* NO AMIGA TO WASTE -- http://thunderstorms.org/NATW John Shirley, Dave Wolverton, Gene Wolfe, Phillip K Dick // Team Ursula K LeGuin, William Gibson, Bruce Sterling, David Brin \X/ AMIGA Greg Bear, Neal Stephenson, Vernor Vinge, Kim Stanley Robinson --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From gmula@nwlink.com Fri, 06 Feb 1998 09:00:45 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1673 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1676 (database) From: Gary Mula To: Gord Clink Subject: Re: Wow!! Finally!! Date: Fri, 6 Feb 98 18:00:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA18108for ; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 17:03:50 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA15730for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 18:00:11 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: ec69f565197d96d71f30565a1597e36f On 06-Feb-98, Gord Clink wrote: >I finally figured out my "Too Fast/Too Slow" smpte problem..... >Everytime I would record time code, my reel-to-reel was cold. After >playing with it for a several minutes, it would heat up, and I would >get the dreaded error. >Finally I left the deck on for several hours before striping time >code. It worked fine all night. Gord, I have meant to suggest this for a while...my apologies. Glad to hear that this works for you. Years ago while dealing with this problem Todd Modjeski mentioned two things to consider with tape decks. 1. Make sure your deck is properly warmed up. This is standard procedure before any session in a recording studio. 2. Use plenty of preroll...start the tape early enough for the deck to get up to speed. Now I always warm up my deck. The second suggestion never made much difference in my case, but could be a problem on some decks. -- ------------------------------------------------------------ Gary Mula / /CALLEYE Productions/ / /The Dutchman/ Singer-Songwriter / Producer Seattle, Washington, USA Team *AMIGA* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From sag@cae.ca Fri, 06 Feb 1998 13:45:14 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1677 (database) From: Serge A Guilbert To: studio16 Subject: S16: scalic deciBel comparisons are compared -Reply Date: Fri, 6 Feb 98 19:45:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA23838for ; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 18:53:14 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA16481for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 19:48:10 +0100 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 92f5f5286f720f1e55cd09c5929e476d -->Ah! Someone else who appreciates a good White Paper. We are talking about -->two different types of situations, however. -->YOURS: two *simultaneous* sound sources in an *acoustic* space (similar to -->MINE: Relative to a fixed reference point (ie the noise floor, or any --> . . . So we are both right? Yup. I thought that might be what you meant (alas, after the Send button had been depressed). Sorry. Didn't mean to imply you weren't correct. It was, after all, only a "tiny, tiny" comment. :>)) Thanks for the reminder. -->I keep the scope behind the curtain, only looking when I hear the Wizard's -->voice . . . :>) Sounding off; Serge A. Guilbert, B.Eng CAE Electronics, Flight Simulators, Sound Group (514)341-6780 x4129 sag@cae.ca ________________________________________________________ A Wise Old Man Once Told Me: "Go Away!!!". And So, I Did ________________________________________________________ --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From sag@cae.ca Fri, 06 Feb 1998 14:00:26 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1678 (database) From: Serge A Guilbert To: studio16 Subject: Wow!! Finally!! -Reply Date: Fri, 6 Feb 98 20:00:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id TAA26975for ; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 19:14:57 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA16628for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 20:10:34 +0100 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 91466d4ae9a59429a7dab586fe782691 -->Finally I left the deck on for several hours before striping time code. It worked fine all night. Then when I got up in the morning and tried it.... Guess what? I got the "Too Fast/Too Slow error" !!!! So I let it sit and warm up for a little while.... And presto.... It worked again.....:) Glad to hear it, Gord. Sounding off; Serge A. Guilbert, B.Eng CAE Electronics, Flight Simulators, Sound Group (514)341-6780 x4129 sag@cae.ca ________________________________________________________ A Wise Old Man Once Told Me: "Go Away!!!". And So, I Did ________________________________________________________ --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From TELESTAR@vianet.com.mx Fri, 06 Feb 1998 15:05:07 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1660 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1679 (database) From: Alfonso Curiel M. To: studio16 Subject: Re: Maestro Pro info Date: Fri, 6 Feb 98 22:05:00 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980206150507.007db100@mail.vianet.com.mx> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id CAA18494for ; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 02:54:28 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA19019for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 03:51:00 +0100 X-Sender: TELESTAR@mail.vianet.com.mx X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) References: <3.0.5.32.19980204213433.007d7a70@mail.vianet.com.mx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 47cfa1b51959944b5853601e0056551f At 04:33 PM 5/02/98 EST5EDT4,M4.1., you wrote: >Can you hear it? Probably not that much. I can hear it if I digitize a >good quality CD and compare the two right away, but otherwise I wouldn't >really notice. thanks for the info, i can sleep now. --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From kenny@bgnett.no 07 Feb 98 16:27:09 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1681 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: All Subject: ANNOUNCE: QMASTER 1.0 DEMO Date: Sat, 7 Feb 98 16:27:00 Message-ID: <4446.342T468T9872253@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id PAA23603for ; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 15:40:33 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA22936for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 16:36:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 300bc2fac486ff9edd0c963971c9a047 [available from ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/mus/misc/QMASTER.lha in a couple of days -Kenny] TITLE QMaster (for Studio 16) VERSION 1.0 DEMO AUTHOR Kenneth Chr. Nilsen/Digital Surface mailto:kenny@bgnett.no DESCRIPTION QMaster is an ARexx host which offer comands that can be accessed from arexx scripts. QMaster provides comands to handle every aspect of Studio 16's Cuelist files giving the arexx programmer full control and making life much easier for the user. The comands allow you to alter cuelist entries, tracks, preferences, remove, add, adjust, swap, copy entries and tracks, convert files to and from other formats, and in conjunction with other arexx hosts you can do automated processes, on-air organizing, connect with other programs such as video- and musicediting software, databases, networks, multimedia packages and so on, to influence the cuelist files and more. You don't have to be familar with arexx programming to take advantage of what QMaster can offer. QMaster comes with several arexx scripts that you can use just by double clicking their icons or by starting them from cli/shell. More scripts will come in the future. FEATURES QMaster provide more than 40 comands to handle Cuelists, convert times, provide requesters, information, resource tracking and more. With QMASTER you can: - create cuelist files from scratch - read/edit existing cuelist files - read/add/remove/cut/swap and alter tracks (Audio/AREXX) - read/add/remove and alter entries (Audio/AREXX) - read/alter and set preferences - load (add) and save track (TRAX) files - copy and paste tracks - do statistic operations - interface directly with the Amiga's global vars (SetEnv/GetEnv) - add progressbars to your scripts - add informal requesters to your scripts - add file- and directory requesters to your scripts - add string requesters to your scripts - convert between SMPTE (PAL/NTSC) and seconds - optionally auto detect video system (PAL/NTSC) - define 50.000 entries (100 tracks with 5000 entries on each) - get online help - invoke RESOURCE TRACKING if needed at any time and more... QMaster is written in assembler to achieve optimal speed in processing comands and content. QMaster has been through several weeks of betatesting and proves to be stable. The archive comes with several public domain arexx scripts which you can run from Workbench as well as from cli: AllToAny - sets all play/rec channels to "Any" AppendCuelists - merges two cuelist files horizontally w/ grouping CMXtoCUE - converts CMX EDL to Cuelist format opt. database CountCuelist - statistic info DumpCue - dumps info about all tracks/entries in cuelist FindEntry - search for an entry by keyword FixPaths - fixes entry paths if samples are moved on HD GroupEvents - search for keyword in events and group them ListEntries - dumps different entries used (one of each) MergeCuelists - same as Studio 16's built-in function with extras NameToCue - for fun, converts a string to cuelist 'letters' ReplaceEntries - search by keyword and select new from requester SampleTime - shows SMPTE time in PAL/NTSC (AUTO) for a sample StereoJukebox - puts samples in a dir after one eachother on cue StripEmpty - removes empty tracks from a cuelist file TestVideo - test script to auto detect video system You can also find tutorial scripts that show how to use some of the comands in QMaster. SPECIAL REQUIREMENTS - QMaster require MC68020 or better. - QMaster require OS 2.04 or better (developed on 3.1) AVAILABILITY Demo version is available from Aminet in mus/misc. Registred version is only available directly from author. PRICE QMaster is shareware. Read doc file for current prices. The DEMO version is crippled (clips at 4 tracks and 15 entries/track when saving and contains a nerve requester). Support of QMaster will support further development for Studio 16 add-ons. DISTRIBUTABILITY Freely distributable as SHAREWARE. STUDIO 16 MAILINGLIST If you would like to join the Studio 16 mailinglist you may write an mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type in body text: 'subscribe studio16 ' without ' and <>. No subject is needed. After confimation use the address studio16@thule.no. - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From kenny@bgnett.no 08 Feb 98 03:08:59 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1681 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1683 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: all Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: QMASTER 1.0 DEMO Date: Sun, 8 Feb 98 03:08:01 Message-ID: <514.343T2957T1884374@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id CAA08318for ; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 02:11:25 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA26601for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 03:09:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 88cecb8b959636eec0d7bedbf373d9a1 Kenny Nilsen wrote: > QMaster (for Studio 16) > - define 50.000 entries (100 tracks with 5000 entries on each) Sorry, that should be 500.000 entries. Also did a benchmark test: A4000/030/25mhz Loading 256 cuefiles (10 different files repeated 25 + 6 times) Different sizes (~3k-30k/~20-170 entries). Load time average: 0.11 seconds/cuelist file (!) This include loading, checking, extracting, allocating memory, copy data, free memory, close file and resource tracking. It's also through arexx. - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@bigsky.net Sun, 08 Feb 1998 08:54:04 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1684 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: S16: a TOAST to Kenny! Date: Sun, 8 Feb 98 16:54:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id PAA23545for ; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 15:56:33 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA30121for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 16:54:28 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id QAA30119 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: f41e4375c874795c2876f858a66bfb30 Kenny, congratulations on a project finished! Just seeing it on Aminet is exciting! Well-written description as well. Now, for the next step: Got to con some one into writing a (MUI or whatever) interface for it that will run in a window on any public screen. Anybody here ever see any of the pre-4.0 Toaster ARexx utilities? ToastMaster, ToasterToolkit, TRexx, etc? These great little programs really simplified the use of the Toaster and ARexx. In those well-designed GUIs you could build macros for often-used, repetitive processes, and painlessly access all Switcher ARexx commands with nary a look to the manual, or a peck on the keyboard. Buttons and icons could do it all! It was Godlike, to use ARexx at a high level so quickly. And at the highest level of power! Anyway, here's a TOAST to you, Kenny! -- *greenboy* NO AMIGA TO WASTE -- http://thunderstorms.org/NATW John Shirley, Dave Wolverton, Gene Wolfe, Phillip K Dick // Team Ursula K LeGuin, William Gibson, Bruce Sterling, David Brin \X/ AMIGA Greg Bear, Neal Stephenson, Vernor Vinge, Kim Stanley Robinson --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From bohus@xnet.com Sun, 8 Feb 1998 11:22:06 -0600 (CST) X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1673 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1686 (database) From: Bohus Blahut To: studio16 Subject: old 2000 Date: Sun, 8 Feb 98 18:22:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA25401for ; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 17:24:40 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA30539for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 18:22:38 +0100 X-Sender: bohus@typhoon MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: cb1f7b0f46faf7e2155db8801ac0cb37 Hiya, The 2000 that I have Studio 16 in is starting to flake out. I've got a GVP '040 combo board (which I'm suspicious of) with the GURU Rom, and it's expanded to 16 megs. I've also got the MegaChip. I've been thinking of moving all of the goodies to a virtually unused 2000 that I was able to find for $50. The only thing is that the motherboard is rev 4.3. Do any of you know of any problems using S16 with a 4.3 2000? Thanks! Bohus Blahut (BOH-hoosh BLAH-hoot) Bohus@xnet.com Modern Filmmaker vox/fax: 773.465.5158 director- The Vantage Point "Imitation is the sincerest form of copyright infringement" -BB --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From doncox@enterprise.net Sun, 08 Feb 1998 19:12:22 -0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1686 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1687 (database) From: Don Cox To: Bohus Blahut Subject: Re: old 2000 Date: Sun, 8 Feb 98 20:12:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id TAA28332for ; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 19:33:24 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA31572for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 20:31:44 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 8341a2146183ce5d7051ade96c9ca7cf On 08-Feb-98, Bohus Blahut wrote: > I've been thinking of moving all of the goodies to a virtually >unused 2000 that I was able to find for $50. The only thing is that the >motherboard is rev 4.3. Do any of you know of any problems using S16 with >a 4.3 2000? I couldn't get a 2 Meg Chip update to work on my 4.3. Otherwise it should all work fine. Mine has the PAR card in it, also a Catweasel, a Phase5 accelerator (plenty of fast RAM), and a Commodore flicker fixer. It is a good computer, except for shortage of Chip. -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From tc_silvey@juno.com Sat, 7 Feb 1998 21:07:38 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1469 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1688 (database) From: troy silvey To: studio16 Subject: HD test util Date: Sun, 8 Feb 98 03:07:00 Message-ID: <19980207.210739.7222.0.tc_silvey@juno.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id BAA09254for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 01:57:40 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA01083for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 02:55:39 +0100 References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-7 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: c886adbd9c1e39f61b443b8ae9b91d68 I got a new HD for my ami/S16 and I want to put it through some hard sector testing before I start writing serious work to it. What util can I use to test the drive when it has been set for big blocks and where can I get it. Or should I do a standard format first, test the drive, then setup for big blocks? thanks troy _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From jacob@iag.net Sun, 08 Feb 1998 22:10:51 EST5EDT4,M4.1.0 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1688 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1689 (database) From: Jacob Ellis To: troy silvey Subject: Re: HD test util Date: Mon, 9 Feb 98 04:10:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id DAA10576for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 03:11:34 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA01674for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 04:09:57 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 34918f5f9ba806c880987fe1903d6789 On 08-Feb-98, troy silvey wrote: >I got a new HD for my ami/S16 and I want to put it through >some hard sector testing before I start writing serious work >to it. What util can I use to test the drive when it has been >set for big blocks and where can I get it. Or should I do a standard >format first, test the drive, then setup for big blocks? The standard for drive speed testing is DiskSpeed v4.2 (available on the Studio16 disks, Fish library, and a slighter older version is on Aminet). Whenever you change the sector block size you will have to reformat that partition (but you can do a "quick" format). Make sure you install the FastFileSystem that came with Studio16 (or a later version). The versions shipped with OS 3.1 and below have various bugs that may affect the reliablity of a BigBlock partition (as well as other annoying little bugs). Jacob -- jacob@iag.net --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From bohus@xnet.com Sun, 8 Feb 1998 21:23:26 -0600 (CST) X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1687 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1690 (database) From: Bohus Blahut To: Bohus Blahut Subject: Re: old 2000 Date: Mon, 9 Feb 98 04:23:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id DAA10872for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 03:25:23 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA01765for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 04:24:00 +0100 X-Sender: bohus@typhoon MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 4045ce8a6a138a7b975bcc270be6f31b > I couldn't get a 2 Meg Chip update to work on my 4.3. Otherwise it should all > work fine. All of the 2000's in my studio have always had the Mega Chip, so I actually don't know what it's like to not have 2 megs of chip ram. Are there specific Studio 16 problems with only one meg of chip ram? Perhaps it would be better to drop Studio 16 into an old 3000 I have here and pick up a used '040 for it. Seems like it would make for a good dedicated audio machine. Thanks for your help. Bohus Blahut (BOH-hoosh BLAH-hoot) Bohus@xnet.com Modern Filmmaker vox/fax: 773.465.5158 director- The Vantage Point "Imitation is the sincerest form of copyright infringement" -BB --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@bigsky.net Sun, 08 Feb 1998 20:49:51 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1691 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: S16: HD Test utility Date: Mon, 9 Feb 98 04:49:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id DAA11338for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 03:55:11 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA01936for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 04:53:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 5621294ec36cf6d31cc34bb8278b6e21 On 08-Feb-98, troy silvey wrote: >>I got a new HD for my ami/S16 and I want to put it through some hard >>sector testing before I start writing serious work to it. What util can I >>use to test the drive when it has been set for big blocks and where can I >>get it. Or should I do a standard format first, test the drive, then setup >>for big blocks? Jacob Ellis , 08-Feb-98: >The standard for drive speed testing is DiskSpeed v4.2 (available on the >Studio16 disks, Fish library, and a slighter older version is on Aminet). Hard sector testing is to test for physical drive-and-cabling integrity, not speed (Diskspeed is the best /speed/  tester though). What you would use to test for integrity depends on what you use for a SCSI host and what software you use to install the drive. Typically, using HDToolbox or others to check for bad blocks is a waste of time, as most modern drives "have it together"; not like the bad old days! (It is also a waste of time on the newer drives to do slow formatting, or low-level format -- a no-no.) Also, utilities like AmiBackTools can map out bad data areas after the [format] fact. So it is not always neccessary to rewrite RDBs (rigid disk blocks) and reformat if a drive develops hard errors in its future. But if your set on hard sector testing I would stick to standard blocks, because even software that claims to support different sizes could have bugs, regardless. Then use BigBlocks and the quick format. Alternatively, go straight to BigBlocks and Format QUICK, and just play a CD into the sucker and see if you can fill the partition. >Make sure you install the FastFileSystem that came with Studio16 (or a >later version). The versions shipped with OS 3.1 and below have various >bugs that may affect the reliablity of a BigBlock partition (as well as >other annoying little bugs). This is so. -- *greenboy* NO AMIGA TO WASTE -- http://thunderstorms.org/NATW John Shirley, Dave Wolverton, Gene Wolfe, Phillip K Dick // Team Ursula K LeGuin, William Gibson, Bruce Sterling, David Brin \X/ AMIGA Greg Bear, Neal Stephenson, Vernor Vinge, Kim Stanley Robinson --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@bigsky.net Sun, 08 Feb 1998 21:14:43 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1692 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: 2000 vs 3000: Battle Of The Forgotten Fossils Date: Mon, 9 Feb 98 05:14:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id EAA12086for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 04:17:09 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA02061for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 05:15:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: b4c80196768203161adacfa5bc5e1a67 Bohus Blahut , 08-Feb-98: >>I couldn't get a 2 Meg Chip update to work on my 4.3. Otherwise it should >>all work fine. Seems like I once saw some other 2meg chipram mod that claimed to work with that rev. Sure forget where, though. >All of the 2000's in my studio have always had the Mega Chip, so I >actually don't know what it's like to not have 2 megs of chip ram. Are >there specific Studio 16 problems with only one meg of chip ram? Forgot ever having one meg chipram. (My refrain :). >Perhaps it would be better to drop Studio 16 into an old 3000 I have here >and pick up a used '040 for it. Seems like it would make for a good >dedicated audio machine. Killer actually, as long as chips are current. Bypasses having to use Zorro2 SCSI. Forget why that is significant though . . . ;) -- *greenboy* NO AMIGA TO WASTE -- http://thunderstorms.org/NATW John Shirley, Dave Wolverton, Gene Wolfe, Phillip K Dick // Team Ursula K LeGuin, William Gibson, Bruce Sterling, David Brin \X/ AMIGA Greg Bear, Neal Stephenson, Vernor Vinge, Kim Stanley Robinson --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From tc_silvey@juno.com Sat, 7 Feb 1998 23:58:28 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1689 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1693 (database) From: troy silvey To: studio16 Subject: S16: FastFileSystem? Date: Sun, 8 Feb 98 05:58:00 Message-ID: <19980207.235845.10550.0.tc_silvey@juno.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id EAA12611for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 04:49:24 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA02259for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 05:48:04 +0100 References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-6 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 6256c9fbc87868e82aa97dfec9c159cf >partition (but you can do a "quick" format). Make sure you install >the FastFileSystem that came with Studio16 (or a later version). How do I make sure that I have the right file system installed? What's the procedure? Simply copying the the S16 libs and files? troy _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@bigsky.net Sun, 08 Feb 1998 22:42:28 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1693 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1694 (database) From: greenboy To: troy silvey Subject: Re: S16: FastFileSystem? Date: Mon, 9 Feb 98 06:42:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id FAA13465for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 05:44:31 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA02546for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 06:43:07 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id GAA02538 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 20dff21a396ebd31fd54f65132574b69 troy silvey , 07-Feb-98: >>partition (but you can do a "quick" format). Make sure you install >>the FastFileSystem that came with Studio16 (or a later version). >How do I make sure that I have the right file system installed? >What's the procedure? Simply copying the the S16 libs and files? On Studio16 disk. Use version on it (c:version path/fastfilesystem FULL FILE). If you can't find a newer one on Aminet or the Amiga International website, or some disk from a newer program that is a newer revision -- that's the one to use. [With a button or menu selection in DOpus version is really useful!] -- *greenboy* NO AMIGA TO WASTE -- http://thunderstorms.org/NATW John Shirley, Dave Wolverton, Gene Wolfe, Phillip K Dick // Team Ursula K LeGuin, William Gibson, Bruce Sterling, David Brin \X/ AMIGA Greg Bear, Neal Stephenson, Vernor Vinge, Kim Stanley Robinson --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From jacob@iag.net Mon, 09 Feb 1998 10:35:42 EST5EDT4,M4.1.0 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1693 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1695 (database) From: Jacob Ellis To: troy silvey Subject: Re: S16: FastFileSystem? Date: Mon, 9 Feb 98 16:35:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id PAA02680for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 15:36:39 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA05012for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 16:34:57 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 3cd4ea6391b04a41666a0ea4808e6ba3 On 08-Feb-98, troy silvey wrote: >>partition (but you can do a "quick" format). Make sure you install >>the FastFileSystem that came with Studio16 (or a later version). >How do I make sure that I have the right file system installed? >What's the procedure? Simply copying the the S16 libs and files? You have to use HDToolBox. Select the drive, select "Partition Drive", click on "Advanced Options", click on "Add/Update". If you don't have a FastFileSystem listed (ie., you are using the one in ROM), click on "Add New File System", then type in the full path to the new FastFileSystem file. It'll then come up with the version/revision information (and DosType) which should be 40.4, just press return here. Click OK until you get back to the main window, then press "Save Changes to Drive". Do this for each hard drive listed. Reboot. :) If you already have a FastFileSystem installed, you can do the above but click "Update File System" instead from the File System Maintenance window (but in this case make sure you are not installing an older version of FastFileSystem). The above only works on hard drive controllers that support the CBM Rigid Disk Block (RDB) standard. Most do, but some real old ones might not. You can verify the version of the file system being used by typing: "version hd0: full" (where hd0: is your hard drive partition(s), of course). Jacob -- jacob@iag.net --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From doncox@enterprise.net Mon, 09 Feb 1998 11:12:32 -0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1690 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1697 (database) From: Don Cox To: Bohus Blahut Subject: Re: old 2000 Date: Mon, 9 Feb 98 12:12:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA14021for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 21:56:53 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA06955for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 22:54:31 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 7c275e9bfd1142939ae83107bc52ef4f On 09-Feb-98, Bohus Blahut wrote: > All of the 2000's in my studio have always had the Mega Chip, so I >actually don't know what it's like to not have 2 megs of chip ram. Are >there specific Studio 16 problems with only one meg of chip ram? Only shortage of screen area: if you had Bars&Pipes open with lots of windows, plus S16 with lots of windows, plus some on the WB, you could run out of chip. -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From kenny@bgnett.no 10 Feb 98 13:43:12 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1684 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1700 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: greenboy Subject: Re: S16: a TOAST to Kenny! Date: Tue, 10 Feb 98 13:43:00 Message-ID: <477.345T621T8232914@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id MAA06015for ; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 12:52:19 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA11455for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 13:49:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 4eca9cc36381ba9eaca2dc5c3fb63a93 Status: O greenboy wrote: >ToasterToolkit, TRexx, etc? These great little programs really simplified >the use of the Toaster and ARexx. I will consider it. I have already spent much work on the program and haven't yet got any feedback (not counting betatesters and your toast :). I'm aware it's just been released, but I will see the next couple of month. I feel I pour energy into a big black hole so the respond on QMaster will determine further involvement from my part. - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From madmaxx@cyberhighway.net Tue, 10 Feb 1998 17:02:34 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1687 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1701 (database) From: Marv B. To: studio16 Subject: Re: old 2000 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 98 17:02:00 Message-ID: <1317.7343T1230T2928@cyberhighway.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id QAA12445for ; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 16:04:37 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA12335for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 17:02:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.22 (Amiga;TCP/IP) *UNREGISTERED* Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: ca2ab5295d62ebf24d8aefa56ac8270f Status: O >On 08-Feb-98, Bohus Blahut wrote: >> I've been thinking of moving all of the goodies to a virtually >>unused 2000 that I was able to find for $50. The only thing is that the >>motherboard is rev 4.3. Do any of you know of any problems using S16 with >>a 4.3 2000? >I couldn't get a 2 Meg Chip update to work on my 4.3. Otherwise it should all >work fine. Mine has the PAR card in it, also a Catweasel, a Phase5 >accelerator >(plenty of fast RAM), and a Commodore flicker fixer. It is a good computer, >except for shortage of Chip. >-- >Don Cox >doncox@enterprise.net On a rev. 4.3 motherboard you will need to change j101 from the middle pin and top pin to the middle pin and bottem pin and you will need to cut the trace between the two solder pads on j500 the megachip will work fine then Marv >*** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ +----------------------------------------------------------+ | madmaxx@cyberhighway.net is: 116 N.Latah | | Marv Birkinbine Pres. Boise, Idaho 83706 | | MAXXIMUM VIDEO CREATIONS INC. 1-888-mad-maxx | | "YOUR AMIGA DEALER 1-208-385-9658 | | FOR THE NEXT GENERATION" www.cyberhighway.net/~madmaxx | +----------------------------------------------------------+ --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@bigsky.net Tue, 10 Feb 1998 10:07:33 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1700 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1702 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: S16: Beyond The Event Horizon Date: Tue, 10 Feb 98 18:07:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA15139for ; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 17:13:16 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA12890for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 18:11:44 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id SAA12888 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: af77dfc040343615b41b1f1ebcbfc962 greenboy (that's me!) wrote: >>ToasterToolkit, TRexx, etc? These great little programs really simplified >>the use of the Toaster and ARexx. Kenny Nilsen , 10-Feb-98: >I will consider it. I have already spent much work on the program and >haven't yet got any feedback (not counting betatesters and your toast :). >I'm aware it's just been released, but I will see the next couple of month. >I feel I pour energy into a big black hole so the respond on QMaster will >determine further involvement from my part. Yeah. I know what you are saying. For instance -- I thought that the "Toast post" would get some discussion. Of course, it didn't have anything to do with a StarTrek series. Or a problem whose answer can be found on page 4 of the manual. (OK, I'm not referring specifically to /this/ m-list.) But in general, I've begun to wonder if I am getting all the emails from our little ML; things couldn't be this lethargic, could they? Everything in the Amiga marketplace depends on participation, and has for some time now -- so I hope not. And I hope your work doesn't end up beyond the event horizon, like that of so many other providers of Amiga relief . . . /This rather bleak assessment in no way impunes the efforts of those here/ /who selflessly step into the line of fire with useful knowledge,/ /attempting to help or educate others. The management in no way endorses/ /the statements made, nor does the author, who wishes to avoid pointless/ /flamewars. Thank you for your time./ -- *greenboy* NO AMIGA TO WASTE -- http://thunderstorms.org/NATW John Shirley, Dave Wolverton, Gene Wolfe, Phillip K Dick // Team Ursula K LeGuin, William Gibson, Bruce Sterling, David Brin \X/ AMIGA Greg Bear, Neal Stephenson, Vernor Vinge, Kim Stanley Robinson --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From doncox@enterprise.net Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:22:59 -0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1700 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1703 (database) From: Don Cox To: Kenny Nilsen Subject: Re: S16: a TOAST to Kenny! Date: Tue, 10 Feb 98 16:22:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA17000for ; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 18:08:24 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA13264for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 19:06:56 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 5c3f7a6f0cad8d070b1fa600e012cb50 On 10-Feb-98, Kenny Nilsen wrote: >I feel I pour energy into a big black hole so the respond on QMaster will >determine further involvement from my part. Give it a few months. It takes time for word to get around. I have downloaded it but I haven't had time to try it - I am only in the lab with the S16 one afternoon a week. -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From kenny@bgnett.no 10 Feb 98 20:39:01 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1702 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1706 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: greenboy Subject: Re: S16: Beyond The Event Horizon Date: Tue, 10 Feb 98 20:39:00 Message-ID: <386.345T75T12392004@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id TAA20742for ; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 19:44:06 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA13955for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 20:42:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 4bbde86665595d11fde596efdff6b350 greenboy wrote: >Yeah. I know what you are saying. For instance -- I thought that the "Toast >post" would get some discussion. Of course, it didn't have anything to do Things seem to be 'frozen' on the list. I would like to hear what things people want to do with Cuelists so I can get ideas for scripts to make using QMaster. Feel free to send them to me in private email. - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@bigsky.net Tue, 10 Feb 1998 13:16:41 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1707 (database) From: greenboy To: Kenny Nilsen Subject: S16: Singularity's Siren Call Date: Tue, 10 Feb 98 21:16:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id UAA21735for ; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 20:18:48 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA14202for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 21:17:17 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id VAA14200 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 5250f216c4829468b8d8f261c729d685 greenboy (that's me!) wrote: >Yeah. I know what you are saying. For instance -- I thought that the "Toast >post" would get some discussion. Of course, it didn't have anything to do Kenny Nilsen : >Things seem to be 'frozen' on the list. >I would like to hear what things people want to do with Cuelists so I can >get ideas for scripts to make using QMaster. Feel free to send them to me >in private email. Or in public: some of this stuff could use a group effort -- "brainstorming" can have the strangest results ;^} -- *greenboy* NO AMIGA TO WASTE -- http://thunderstorms.org/NATW John Shirley, Dave Wolverton, Gene Wolfe, Phillip K Dick // Team Ursula K LeGuin, William Gibson, Bruce Sterling, David Brin \X/ AMIGA Greg Bear, Neal Stephenson, Vernor Vinge, Kim Stanley Robinson --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From baff@mindspring.com Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:48:25 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1707 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1708 (database) From: Brian Fields To: Anyone Subject: Re: S16: Singularity's Siren Call Date: Tue, 10 Feb 98 11:48:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id UAA22894for ; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 20:57:03 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA14479for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 21:55:30 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id VAA14477 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: d3e15b70c061be64e3a1cc9e60931b4d On 11-Feb-98, greenboy wrote: >greenboy (that's me!) wrote: >>Yeah. I know what you are saying. For instance -- I thought that the "Toast >>post" would get some discussion. Of course, it didn't have anything to do >Kenny Nilsen : >>Things seem to be 'frozen' on the list. >>I would like to hear what things people want to do with Cuelists so I can >>get ideas for scripts to make using QMaster. Feel free to send them to me >>in private email. >Or in public: some of this stuff could use a group effort -- >"brainstorming" can have the strangest results ;^} Hold on guys, I'm about do do some experimenting with three A3000's ; One running a Toaster and a Kttchen Sync running with another using an; ('040 Commodore accelerator) AD516 with SMPTE out to another A3000 with a ; ('060 MKII) So maybe I can utilize Studio16 3.0 'cause the Broadcaster only likes 2.0 Broadcaster Elite 32 bit NLE. . . .with sync coming form the first. ('060 PPC) Trying to SCSI network two of the machines after I get all this hardware straightened out and maybe Parnet another. Hopefully I won't let the smoke out of these machines as a friend of mine puts it. I'm pre-occupied but I'm listening guys. Hopefully I'll have some stuff to contribute soon (and be using your great tools Kenny). >*** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ -- Brian baff@mindspring.com --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@bigsky.net Tue, 10 Feb 1998 14:41:39 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1709 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: S16: Daisy-chain Beyond the SneakerNet Date: Tue, 10 Feb 98 22:41:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA24275for ; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 21:44:02 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA14778for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 22:42:18 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id WAA14776 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 6597fff42b63a20540828b4c750d782e Status: OU Kenny Nilsen : >>>Things seem to be 'frozen' on the list. I would like to hear what things >>>people want to do with Cuelists so I can get ideas for scripts to make >>>using QMaster. Feel free to send them to me in private email. greenboy (that's me!) wrote: >>Or in public: some of this stuff could use a group effort -- >>"brainstorming" can have the strangest results ;^} Brian Fields , 10-Feb-98: >Hold on guys, I'm about do do some experimenting with three A3000's > --snip-- >Trying to SCSI network two of the machines after I get all this hardware >straightened out and maybe Parnet another. Hi Brian; I've had much better success running ProNet (from Aminet, natch!) using my old ParNet cable, especially with OS3.x machines. This connects my 4000 with my CDTV and allows it to mount as CD0:, which is another improvement over ParNet. Solid. Sounds like an ambitious project, linking those machines. Which SCSI hosts (the internal, I assume) and software will you be networking with? I did it for awhile with IVS TrumpcardPros and the supplied software -- but due to SCSI address limitations soon went over to Ethernet cards and Interworks' EnLan-DFS. Not potentially as fast, but bulletproof and transparent. -- *greenboy* NO AMIGA TO WASTE -- http://thunderstorms.org/NATW John Shirley, Dave Wolverton, Gene Wolfe, Phillip K Dick // Team Ursula K LeGuin, William Gibson, Bruce Sterling, David Brin \X/ AMIGA Greg Bear, Neal Stephenson, Vernor Vinge, Kim Stanley Robinson --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From doncox@enterprise.net Wed, 11 Feb 1998 00:28:51 -0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1709 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1710 (database) From: Don Cox To: greenboy Subject: Re: S16: Daisy-chain Beyond the SneakerNet Date: Wed, 11 Feb 98 01:28:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id AAA02407for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 00:31:55 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA16237for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 01:30:08 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 569cd7f55bb6712f2fac459a509c3a26 On 10-Feb-98, greenboy wrote: >Sounds like an ambitious project, linking those machines. Which SCSI hosts >(the internal, I assume) and software will you be networking with? I did it >for awhile with IVS TrumpcardPros and the supplied software -- but due to >SCSI address limitations soon went over to Ethernet cards and Interworks' >EnLan-DFS. Not potentially as fast, but bulletproof and transparent. Do you get the same problem with ENLAN that I do, that if one machine crashes or is rebooted, the other locks up when you click on Volumes in a file requester? That seems to be its only problem. BTW I have an ARexx script which allows ENLAN to access removable media like CDs or even floppies across the network. -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@bigsky.net Tue, 10 Feb 1998 18:01:38 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1711 (database) From: greenboy To: Don Cox Subject: ReRe: S16: Daisy-chain Beyond the SneakerNet Date: Wed, 11 Feb 98 02:01:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id BAA02893for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 01:04:25 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA16616for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 02:02:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: c268d177da162ffff9ee5b99dc9e534c On 10-Feb-98, greenboy (that's me!) wrote: >> ...went over to Ethernet cards and Interworks' EnLan-DFS... Don Cox , 10-Feb-98: >Do you get the same problem with ENLAN that I do, that if one machine >crashes or is rebooted, the other locks up when you click on Volumes in a >file requester? That seems to be its only problem. Hi, Don. You know, I had that problem early on, and don't remember what I did to solve it. Perhaps it was an upgrade. I looked through my scripts for a clue. They are definitely _not_ stock, but haven't had a hand on 'em since 15-Nov-95. What ver are you using? Are you using it with DOpus Magellan? >BTW I have an ARexx script which allows ENLAN to access removable media >like CDs or even floppies across the network. Sounds like you are /dying/ to send it to me, (^% -- *greenboy* NO AMIGA TO WASTE -- http://thunderstorms.org/NATW John Shirley, Dave Wolverton, Gene Wolfe, Phillip K Dick // Team Ursula K LeGuin, William Gibson, Bruce Sterling, David Brin \X/ AMIGA Greg Bear, Neal Stephenson, Vernor Vinge, Kim Stanley Robinson --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@bigsky.net Tue, 10 Feb 1998 18:35:00 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1712 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: S16: Live Long & Prosper - Vulcan Manifesto Date: Wed, 11 Feb 98 02:35:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id BAA03607for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 01:37:14 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA17025for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 02:35:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: ad66098a29d9d112b624d2885ff285e3 Just after making a crack about Trekkie behavior, I find myself compelled to offer up an URL -- http://www.nutts.demon.co.uk/vulcanstate.html -- and hope that everybody will give this somewhat lengthy State-of-the- Amiga Address some attention span. If nothing else, it will help you justify some purchases you /know/ you are dying to make anyway ;^} Remember, we're all in this together -- /Red Green/ -- *greenboy* NO AMIGA TO WASTE -- http://thunderstorms.org/NATW John Shirley, Dave Wolverton, Gene Wolfe, Phillip K Dick // Team Ursula K LeGuin, William Gibson, Bruce Sterling, David Brin \X/ AMIGA Greg Bear, Neal Stephenson, Vernor Vinge, Kim Stanley Robinson --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From fdiebel@emrl.com Tue, 10 Feb 1998 18:54:43 -0800 (PST) X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1702 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1713 (database) From: Floyd Diebel To: Studio16 Crew Subject: Re: S16: Beyond The Event Horizon Date: Wed, 11 Feb 98 03:54:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id CAA05085for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 02:51:36 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA17610for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 03:50:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by odin.thule.no id DAA17604 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 52c0ff076ea3cd37398929f8e33bec8e On Tue, 10 Feb 1998, greenboy wrote: > greenboy (that's me!) wrote: [stuff about qmaster GUI] > Kenny Nilsen , 10-Feb-98: > >I will consider it. I have already spent much work on the program and > >haven't yet got any feedback (not counting betatesters and your toast :). [...] > Yeah. I know what you are saying. For instance -- I thought that the "Toast > post" would get some discussion. Of course, it didn't have anything to do > with a StarTrek series. Or a problem whose answer can be found on page 4 of > the manual. (OK, I'm not referring specifically to /this/ m-list.) i had started mapping ideas for a GUI for qmaster last week, if only to make it for my own use. but then i tried to put an accelerator i bought used off the net into my 2000 that i use for audio work, and pretty much destroyed the computer. ugh. sorta throws things off schedule. anybody got any old motherboards (anything with zorro) they'd like to sell? i've got no slots left in my 4000 - it's got toaster/flyer stuff in it. anyways, if no one else wnats to work on a GUI, i'll do it. it might suck, but i'll do it. -f ----- fdiebel@boulez.emrl.com a/v composition and engineering. --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From jkrutz@meta.burner.com Tue, 10 Feb 98 15:51:20 MST X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1700 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1714 (database) From: Jamie Krutz To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16: a TOAST to Kenny! Date: Tue, 10 Feb 98 23:51:00 Message-ID: <9802102251.AA014b1@meta.burner.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id CAA05096for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 02:53:36 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA17650for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 03:52:27 +0100 References: <477.345T621T8232914@bgnett.no> X-NewsSoftware: GRn 2.1 Feb 19, 1994 Organization: The Back Burner BBS Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: fea883b5a6ce80dc4f7e9997a1d340e1 In article <477.345T621T8232914@bgnett.no> "Kenny Nilsen" writes: > greenboy wrote: > > >ToasterToolkit, TRexx, etc? These great little programs really simplified > >the use of the Toaster and ARexx. > > I will consider it. I have already spent much work on the program and > haven't yet got any feedback (not counting betatesters and your toast :). > I'm aware it's just been released, but I will see the next couple of month. > > I feel I pour energy into a big black hole so the respond on QMaster will > determine further involvement from my part. > > > - Kenny A quick way to create a GUI for ARexx or CLI software is to use CanDo. It gives you most of the buttons, fields, scrolling windows, sliders and display options you might want, and it can create a stand-alone executable. The program might be 100k bigger than it otherwise would be, but what's 100k these days, expecially since CanDo can save weeks of work? I used CanDo to create an easy interface for one of the Broadcaster utilities, and gave it away to anyone who wanted it (it was on Applied Magic's BBS). I've even used CanDo for more complex, stand-alone programs that could also communicate with commercial software via ARexx. Very cool stuff. Best Regards, -Jamie --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From baff@mindspring.com Tue, 10 Feb 1998 22:58:41 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1707 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1715 (database) From: Brian Fields To: greenboy Subject: Re: S16: Singularity's Siren Call Date: Tue, 10 Feb 98 18:58:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id EAA06650for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 04:07:04 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA18194for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 05:05:40 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id FAA18188 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 5305d122c6a86fa5bece111b2144a242 On 11-Feb-98, greenboy wrote: >greenboy (that's me!) wrote: >>Yeah. I know what you are saying. For instance -- I thought that the "Toast >>post" would get some discussion. Of course, it didn't have anything to do >Kenny Nilsen : >>Things seem to be 'frozen' on the list. >>I would like to hear what things people want to do with Cuelists so I can >>get ideas for scripts to make using QMaster. Feel free to send them to me >>in private email. >Or in public: some of this stuff could use a group effort -- >"brainstorming" can have the strangest results ;^} Ok guys here's one for yas. :) I'm going to try to set up a system over the next week with Studio16 as the centerpiece and hope I don't let the smoke out of the machine as they say... It is; '060 PPC A3000 - 40 Megs ram -SCSI device 7- =============================================== Cards 50 Meg-boot-SCSI network-| SCSI# 0 ----- 50 Meg-apps-SCSI network-| SCSI# 3 Spectrum 9 Gig -video | ppc.SCSI# - Broadcaster Elite 1 Gig Jaz---SCSI network-| SCSI# 5 CD-R--------SCSI network-| SCSI# 2 | '060 MKII A3000 - 48 Megs ram -SCSI device 6- | =============================================== | Cards 50 Meg-boot-SCSI network-| SCSI# 1 ----- 1 Gig -apps&audio cyb.SCSI# - AD516 Toccata (will it work with AD516 in?) '040 Commodore A3000 - 16 Megs onboard ram =============================================== Cards 1 Gig -boot&apps SCSI# - ----- Toaster Kitchen Sync - Bigfoot power supply Studio16 3.0 doesn;t work with the Broadcaster Elite (32 bit NLE) but I was told that 2.0 does. Hence the AD516 on another machine and I'll use SMPTE. Am I crazy? or should this work? (Talk amoungst yourselves I'm feeling verklempt) >--- >*** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ -- Brian baff@mindspring.com --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@bigsky.net Tue, 10 Feb 1998 21:33:04 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1716 (database) From: greenboy To: Jamie Krutz Subject: S16: GUI Ducking Date: Wed, 11 Feb 98 05:33:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id EAA07267for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 04:35:24 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA18402for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 05:34:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 7e1da3f72804ad8876e395808fec3639 greenboy (that's me!) wrote: >ToasterToolkit, TRexx, etc? These great little programs really simplified >the use of the Toaster and ARexx. Kenny Nilsen wrote: >I will consider it. I have already spent much work on the program and >haven't yet got any feedback (not counting betatesters and your toast :). Jamie Krutz , 10-Feb-98: >A quick way to create a GUI for ARexx or CLI software is to use CanDo. It >gives you most of the buttons, fields, scrolling windows, sliders and >display options you might want, and it can create a stand-alone executable. >The program might be 100k bigger than it otherwise would be, but what's >100k these days, expecially since CanDo can save weeks of work? >I used CanDo to create an easy interface for one of the Broadcaster >utilities, and gave it away to anyone who wanted it (it was on Applied >Magic's BBS). I've even used CanDo for more complex, stand-alone programs >that could also communicate with commercial software via ARexx. Very cool >stuff. Hey, Jamie, so how well does CanDo handle using OS3.1 features? Does it have the ability to use system calls for file requester, screenmode, pub screen, etc. The reason I ask: Innovatronics is no longer around, are they? HELM is another "authoring" system that shows great promise here; might be the same old Amiga story for its parent company though. I have seen commercial and shareware done in these progs that is way sharp though. I am also quite pleased with all the MUI apps I run, and the customizing is way cool, like Big Daddy Roth sez {-8 -- *greenboy* NO AMIGA TO WASTE -- http://thunderstorms.org/NATW John Shirley, Dave Wolverton, Gene Wolfe, Phillip K Dick // Team Ursula K LeGuin, William Gibson, Bruce Sterling, David Brin \X/ AMIGA Greg Bear, Neal Stephenson, Vernor Vinge, Kim Stanley Robinson --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@bigsky.net Tue, 10 Feb 1998 21:55:24 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1717 (database) From: greenboy To: Floyd Diebel Subject: S16: Chewin' the GUI Date: Wed, 11 Feb 98 05:55:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id EAA07782for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 04:57:14 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA18593for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 05:56:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 0b21a5fb09c0d57f5f8b714605da4f3a greenboy (that's me!) wrote: >>>[stuff about QMaster GUI] Kenny Nilsen , 10-Feb-98: >>I will consider it. I have already spent much work on the program and >>haven't yet got any feedback (not counting betatesters and your toast :). Floyd Diebel , 10-Feb-98: > --snip-- destroyed the computer. ugh. sorta throws things off schedule. Bummer. No recovery? I hear 3000s are going for a good price, and the SCSI seems easy to deal with. I have a 2000/GVP040/megachip but I don't know -- I got it when they first came out (maybe 87). Kinda attached. >anybody got any old motherboards (anything with zorro) they'd like to >sell? i've got no slots left in my 4000 - it's got toaster/flyer stuff in Do you have one of the A4000 expansion chassis that gives extra slots? >anyways, if no one else wnats to work on a GUI, i'll do it. it might >suck, but i'll do it. How bad and how much? Maybe that'll "encourage" other "software engineers". {-8 -- *greenboy* NO AMIGA TO WASTE -- http://thunderstorms.org/NATW John Shirley, Dave Wolverton, Gene Wolfe, Phillip K Dick // Team Ursula K LeGuin, William Gibson, Bruce Sterling, David Brin \X/ AMIGA Greg Bear, Neal Stephenson, Vernor Vinge, Kim Stanley Robinson --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From dschmoldt@ibm.net Tue, 10 Feb 1998 22:56:19 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1706 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1718 (database) From: Dave Schmoldt To: studio16 Subject: QMaster Ideas Date: Wed, 11 Feb 98 05:56:00 Message-ID: <34E12F73.590A20D6@ibm.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id EAA07800for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 04:58:42 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA18624for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 05:57:38 +0100 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <386.345T75T12392004@bgnett.no> Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: d64bbfe044b58096b9040fd3cf80071a Kenny, I'd be interested in a way to batch modify a cuelist to point to re-located the samples. Example: I have a bunch of cuelists using samples located in DH1:samples. Now that the show is done, I want to move the samples to DH2:archives/samples/showname. I'd like to modify the related cuelists to look for the samples in the new location. I'm not sure if that's within the scope of QMaster or not... Dave Kenny Nilsen wrote: > > greenboy wrote: > >Yeah. I know what you are saying. For instance -- I thought that the "Toast > >post" would get some discussion. Of course, it didn't have anything to do > > Things seem to be 'frozen' on the list. > > I would like to hear what things people want to do with Cuelists so I can get > ideas for scripts to make using QMaster. Feel free to send them to me in > private email. > > - Kenny > > --- > *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From baff@mindspring.com Tue, 10 Feb 1998 23:54:13 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1709 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1719 (database) From: Brian Fields To: greenboy Subject: Re: S16: Daisy-chain Beyond the SneakerNet Date: Tue, 10 Feb 98 19:54:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id FAA07865for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 05:01:22 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA18668for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 06:00:12 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id GAA18663 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 2906deb5952fed1a8579aa783814a152 On 11-Feb-98, greenboy wrote: >>Trying to SCSI network two of the machines after I get all this hardware >>straightened out and maybe Parnet another. >Hi Brian; I've had much better success running ProNet (from Aminet, natch!) Thanks I'll try it. >using my old ParNet cable, especially with OS3.x machines. This connects my >4000 with my CDTV and allows it to mount as CD0:, which is another >improvement over ParNet. Solid. >Sounds like an ambitious project, linking those machines. It's gonna take me into next week. I've got a Bigfoot power supply coming tomorrow for the Toaster machine and another A3000(destined for the MKII) coming in the next couple of days. >Which SCSI hosts >(the internal, I assume) and software will you be networking with? The A3000 has built-in SCSI networking as I understand it. A good friend has SCSI networked two A3000's sharing a hard drive and had no problems. BTW I had trouble with my mailer and sent out another similar post to my last because I thought the first didn't go out. It lists my plan in more detail. Since there was a lull in the ML just thought I'd throw in some kindling to warm the place up. . . . :) >I did it >for awhile with IVS TrumpcardPros and the supplied software -- but due to >SCSI address limitations soon went over to Ethernet cards and Interworks' >EnLan-DFS. Not potentially as fast, but bulletproof and transparent. Can you believe it? I just bought two ethernet cards new in the box for $25 apiece (store out of Amiga business - last ones - no stuff left) and gave them to my son and brother-in-law as gifts. They were $250 cards from ........can't remember .....name started with an A .....you probably know. I thought I could get away with this network setup anyway. >-- > *greenboy* NO AMIGA TO WASTE -- http://thunderstorms.org/NATW > John Shirley, Dave Wolverton, Gene Wolfe, Phillip K Dick > // Team Ursula K LeGuin, William Gibson, Bruce Sterling, David Brin > \X/ AMIGA Greg Bear, Neal Stephenson, Vernor Vinge, Kim Stanley Robinson >--- >*** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ -- Brian baff@mindspring.com --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From baff@mindspring.com Wed, 11 Feb 1998 00:12:24 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1709 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1720 (database) From: Brian Fields To: greenboy Subject: Re: S16: Daisy-chain Beyond the SneakerNet Date: Tue, 10 Feb 98 20:12:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id FAA08238for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 05:21:21 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA18896for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 06:20:06 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id GAA18890 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: de03a5db9573a845f95ef227006a9153 On 11-Feb-98, greenboy wrote: >>Trying to SCSI network two of the machines after I get all this hardware >>straightened out and maybe Parnet another. >Hi Brian; I've had much better success running ProNet (from Aminet, natch!) Thanks I'll try it. >using my old ParNet cable, especially with OS3.x machines. This connects my >4000 with my CDTV and allows it to mount as CD0:, which is another >improvement over ParNet. Solid. >Sounds like an ambitious project, linking those machines. Here's the latest and probably the best config after more thought. '060 PPC A3000 - 40 Megs ram =============================================== Cards 50 Meg (Boot) SCSI# 0 (SCSInetwork)--| ----- 50 Meg (Applications) SCSI# 1 (SCSInetwork)--| Spectrum 1 Gig Jaz (Backup) SCSI# 5 (SCSInetwork)--| Broadcaster Elite A3000 SCSI Controller SCSI# 6 (SCSInetwork)--| 9 Gig (Video) SCSI# 0 (SCSI 3 Bus) | | '060 MKII A3000 - 48 Megs ram | =============================================== | Cards 1 Gig (Boot&Audio) SCSI# 0 (SCSI 2 Bus) | ----- CD-R SCSI# 2 (SCSI 2 Bus) | AD516 A3000 SCSI Controller SCSI# 7 (SCSInetwork)--| Toccata '040 Commodore A3000 - 16 Megs ram =============================================== Cards 1 Gig (Boot&Apps) SCSI# 0 ----- Toaster Kitchen Sync - Bigfoot power supply >-- > *greenboy* NO AMIGA TO WASTE -- http://thunderstorms.org/NATW > John Shirley, Dave Wolverton, Gene Wolfe, Phillip K Dick > // Team Ursula K LeGuin, William Gibson, Bruce Sterling, David Brin > \X/ AMIGA Greg Bear, Neal Stephenson, Vernor Vinge, Kim Stanley Robinson >--- >*** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ -- Brian baff@mindspring.com --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@bigsky.net Tue, 10 Feb 1998 22:45:57 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1721 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: S16: QMaster WishList! Date: Wed, 11 Feb 98 06:45:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id FAA08629for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 05:47:57 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA19140for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 06:46:42 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id GAA19138 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: b67030257deaf1d36b6b0e0b9299f80f Dave Schmoldt , 10-Feb-98: >samples located in DH1:samples. Now that the show is done, I want to move >the samples to DH2:archives/samples/showname. I'd like to modify the >related cuelists to look for the samples in the new location. Yeah, that's a natural. Also: ¤ Move/Reconstruct actually moves all entries and the list to selected directory and modifies cuelist to reflect this ¤ AddTimeOnSelected enter nn:nn:nn value to add to all hilited items ¤ SubTimeOnSelected enter nn:nn:nn value to subtract from hilited items ¤ MoveSelectedTo move selected items so that first hilited starts at specified time ¤ SetToEndTime enter nn:nn:nn value for *end* of sample to play to ¤ ReverseCues reverse entry of all hilited samples, reverse playback ¤ Double/Offset selected entry is doubled nn:nn, stereo options -- etc. Come on folks, I don't even have my card and I can think of many desirable cue list features that could be performed. -- *greenboy* NO AMIGA TO WASTE -- http://thunderstorms.org/NATW // Team \X/ AMIGA Xena: The Warrior Princess --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@bigsky.net Tue, 10 Feb 1998 23:11:00 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1722 (database) From: greenboy To: Brian Fields Subject: S16: Daisy Chain, Tired Footprints, Worn-out Sneakers Date: Wed, 11 Feb 98 07:11:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id GAA09049for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 06:13:12 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA19309for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 07:11:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 89bd3b916a08842f704b91b13ad579e0 Brian Fields , 10-Feb-98: >Here's the latest and probably the best config after more thought. > '060 PPC A3000 - 40 Megs ram > --snip-- > '060 MKII A3000 - 48 Megs ram > --snippety-snip-- > '040 Commodore A3000 - 16 Megs ram > --yet more snippety-snip-- Kinda tough to keep up here Brian, old boy. ;-} I don't think anyone who hasn't done this is gonna have a clue what advice to offer. I _have_ done stuff like this, and though I plan for what I think is every eventuality, practicality, plus and minus -- before I step into action -- -- well, lets just say even the best plan will evolve as needs and use informs you . . . Still curious, what soft-stuff are you using to maintain SCSI networking? Got to watch for SCSI bandwidth. Really do not want any other SCSI access going ANYWHERE over the network when recording or playing back audio or video on any machine that is sharing through SCSI. Not to mention the CPU interaction-thresholds Diskspeed indicates. -- *greenboy* NO AMIGA TO WASTE -- http://thunderstorms.org/NATW John Shirley, Dave Wolverton, Gene Wolfe, Phillip K Dick // Team Ursula K LeGuin, William Gibson, Bruce Sterling, David Brin \X/ AMIGA Greg Bear, Neal Stephenson, Vernor Vinge, Kim Stanley Robinson --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From fdiebel@emrl.com Wed, 11 Feb 1998 00:11:00 -0800 (PST) X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1717 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1723 (database) From: Floyd Diebel To: Floyd Diebel Subject: Re: S16: Chewin' the GUI Date: Wed, 11 Feb 98 09:11:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id IAA11435for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 08:08:06 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA20123for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:06:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by odin.thule.no id JAA20116 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: d5192554151fd8dac0b3795b96bbd88b On Tue, 10 Feb 1998, greenboy wrote: > Floyd Diebel , 10-Feb-98: > >anybody got any old motherboards (anything with zorro) they'd like to > >sell? i've got no slots left in my 4000 - it's got toaster/flyer stuff in > > Do you have one of the A4000 expansion chassis that gives extra slots? no. standard a4k. toaster, flyer, ethernet, and that damn flyer octa-cable thing take up all slot possiblilities. i like having a dedicated audio machine set up anyway. . . > >anyways, if no one else wnats to work on a GUI, i'll do it. it might > >suck, but i'll do it. > > How bad and how much? Maybe that'll "encourage" other "software engineers". > {-8 that's pretty funny. i've made a couple of simple gui's to control arexx stuff, for my own use, and they came out ok. once i figure out what i'm doing with my machine, i'll see if i can come up with something. qmaster has the potential to be an *incredible* resource, i think. ----- fdiebel@boulez.emrl.com a/v composition and engineering. --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From doncox@enterprise.net Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:10:21 -0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1714 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1724 (database) From: Don Cox To: Jamie Krutz Subject: Re: S16: a TOAST to Kenny! Date: Wed, 11 Feb 98 10:10:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id JAA12945for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:06:59 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA20540for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:05:45 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 771ca524210001a13ac9995f34d07052 On 10-Feb-98, Jamie Krutz wrote: >I used CanDo to create an easy interface for one of the Broadcaster >utilities, and gave it away to anyone who wanted it (it was on >Applied Magic's BBS). I've even used CanDo for more complex, >stand-alone programs that could also communicate with commercial >software via ARexx. Very cool stuff. The last time I looked at CanDo it was very much a WB1.3 program. Did it get updated to work properly on graphics cards, with 060s, etc? So far as I know, it is no longer on the market, like most Amiga software. I should have bought it while I could; but I have spent a _lot_ of money on no-longer-supported software. -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From goodidea@aye.net Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:29:47 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1710 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1729 (database) From: GOOD IDEA! To: Don Cox Subject: Re: S16: Daisy-chain Beyond the SneakerNet Date: Wed, 11 Feb 98 16:29:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id PAA25132for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 15:35:18 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA22566for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 16:32:47 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 285fbe6176eb0c86bc55427b4867725b On 10-Feb-98, Don Cox wrote: >On 10-Feb-98, greenboy wrote: >Do you get the same problem with ENLAN that I do, that if one machine crashes >or is rebooted, the other locks up when you click on Volumes in a file >requester? That seems to be its only problem. >BTW I have an ARexx script which allows ENLAN to access removable media like >CDs or even floppies across the network. >-- >Don Cox >doncox@enterprise.net There's a lock put on those devices by the OS and when the link isn't reestablished, you get that lock-up (most apparent when using Opus or something that wants to read a non-existent device). Version 2.0 of Enlan will automatically remount devices after a crash (upgrade now, it's worth it). Obviously if you shut down one computer on purpose, you first need to "Deport" those resources from the remote machines and you'll have no problems. Otherwise you need to import all devices that the locked computer had a lock on before the remote crash. Also to another mentioned area in another post: the AD516 version 2.0 libraries are the ones supported for the Broadcaster and the version 3.0 libraries are not. The cue list in version 3.0 is indispensible, though, and I captured sound in the Broadcaster, then fired up 3.0 to edit. Crashes are common if Producer and S16 were both active at once. Using both libraries caused a conflict. There were occasional crashes for me if I used S16 after quitting Producer. Maybe flushing the 2.0 library from memory would solve it. The convenience of using 3.0 overrode the lost work from the occasional crash for me. Also, this may be of interest to anybody else using the Broadcaster on an Ethernet network. Did you notice that when you tried to read a DBS formatted partitioned device from a remote computer, you were only able to read it once? This was a real pain for me in trying to use remote resources to backup my audio and video work. Opus Magellean 5.661 has no problem reading DBS partitions over the network. -- Mark Needham GOOD IDEA! goodidea@aye.net Graphic design Photography Illustration Video Architecture Advertising Multi-media --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From kenny@bgnett.no 11 Feb 98 13:21:42 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1718 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1730 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Dave Schmoldt Subject: Re: QMaster Ideas Date: Wed, 11 Feb 98 13:21:00 Message-ID: <513.346T2118T8013531@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id QAA26756for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 16:31:25 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA22865for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 17:29:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: f7868b8c17ee2b7049fc4d7e55afd11e Dave Schmoldt wrote: >DH2:archives/samples/showname. I'd like to modify the related cuelists >to look for the samples in the new location. >I'm not sure if that's within the scope of QMaster or not... It sure is - in fact I have already made a script which is bundled with the demo archive :) It's called FixPaths.rexx. You can start it from WB and it will parse the cuelist you select for all different paths to samples in the cuefile and then allow you to select new ones for them via a requester. - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From kenny@bgnett.no 11 Feb 98 13:29:47 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1721 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1731 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: greenboy Subject: Re: S16: QMaster WishList! Date: Wed, 11 Feb 98 13:29:00 Message-ID: <849.346T2392T8094125@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id QAA26761for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 16:31:28 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA22864for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 17:29:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 87641bebcf8dc651a0767c8166d46c24 greenboy wrote: >¤ Move/Reconstruct actually moves all entries and the list to selected >¤ AddTimeOnSelected enter nn:nn:nn value to add to all hilited items >¤ SubTimeOnSelected enter nn:nn:nn value to subtract from hilited items >¤ MoveSelectedTo move selected items so that first hilited starts >¤ SetToEndTime enter nn:nn:nn value for *end* of sample to play to >¤ Double/Offset selected entry is doubled nn:nn, stereo options Noted. All these are no problem, but >¤ ReverseCues reverse entry of all hilited samples, reverse playback this one need an external program to reverse the sample itself if that's what you mean ?. It's no problem to 'reverse' the entries, but the sampledata must be reversed manually or via a program. I can perhaps make a tool to accompany it though - it's no big deal. - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@bigsky.net Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:05:57 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1732 (database) From: greenboy To: Kenny Nilsen Subject: Re: S16: QMaster WishList! Date: Wed, 11 Feb 98 18:05:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA27835for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 17:10:11 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA23199for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:08:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 78a78c2aa1f26d5df7aaab9510652f9e greenboy (that's me!) wrote: >>¤ Move/Reconstruct actually moves all entries and the list to selected >>¤ AddTimeOnSelected enter nn:nn:nn value to add to all hilited items >>¤ SubTimeOnSelected enter nn:nn:nn value to subtract from hilited items >>¤ MoveSelectedTo move selected items so that first hilited starts >>¤ SetToEndTime enter nn:nn:nn value for *end* of sample to play to >>¤ Double/Offset selected entry is doubled nn:nn, stereo options Kenny Nilsen , 11-Feb-98: >Noted. All these are no problem, but >>¤ ReverseCues reverse entry of all hilited samples, reverse playback >this one need an external program to reverse the sample itself if that's >what you mean? It's no problem to 'reverse' the entries, but the >sampledata must be reversed manually or via a program. I can perhaps make a >tool to accompany it though - it's no big deal. I figured that would be the case. Really, I was just trying to spark some ideas. Everyone here must have some things they would like do do, or do in an easier fashion. Thanks, Kenny. -- *greenboy* NO AMIGA TO WASTE -- http://thunderstorms.org/NATW John Shirley, Dave Wolverton, Gene Wolfe, Phillip K Dick // Team Ursula K LeGuin, William Gibson, Bruce Sterling, David Brin \X/ AMIGA Greg Bear, Neal Stephenson, Vernor Vinge, Kim Stanley Robinson --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@bigsky.net Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:17:28 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1733 (database) From: greenboy To: Floyd Diebel Subject: Re: S16: Chewin' the GUI Date: Wed, 11 Feb 98 18:17:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA28188for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 17:19:20 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA23274for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:18:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 0616d8f438b5d8d912da4f2cebd9be0f Floyd Diebel , 10-Feb-98: >>>anybody got any old motherboards (anything with zorro) they'd like to >>>sell? i've got no slots left in my 4000 - it's got toaster/flyer stuff On Tue, 10 Feb 1998, greenboy (that's me!) wrote: >>Do you have one of the A4000 expansion chassis that gives extra slots? Floyd Diebel , 11-Feb-98: >no. standard a4k. toaster, flyer, ethernet, and that damn flyer >octa-cable thing take up all slot possiblilities. i like having a >dedicated audio machine set up anyway. . . Yeah, I see it. The main thing about those chassis, they give you better cooling, more power, less constricted cabling, and free up some slot space. >>>anyways, if no one else wnats to work on a GUI, i'll do it. it might >>>suck, but i'll do it. >>How bad and how much? Maybe that'll "encourage" other "software >>engineers". {-8 >that's pretty funny. i've made a couple of simple gui's to control arexx >stuff, for my own use, and they came out ok. once i figure out what i'm >doing with my machine, i'll see if i can come up with something. qmaster >has the potential to be an *incredible* resource, i think. Yeah, I've really started seeing how QMaster can have a great amount of utility and power. What have you used to construct GUIs? I am really liking stuff made with MUI: its development continues, there are many users out there (and programs), and I like the customization it gives the user. -- *greenboy* NO AMIGA TO WASTE -- http://thunderstorms.org/NATW John Shirley, Dave Wolverton, Gene Wolfe, Phillip K Dick // Team Ursula K LeGuin, William Gibson, Bruce Sterling, David Brin \X/ AMIGA Greg Bear, Neal Stephenson, Vernor Vinge, Kim Stanley Robinson --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@bigsky.net Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:30:49 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1734 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: Re: S16: Daisy-chain Beyond the SneakerNet Date: Wed, 11 Feb 98 18:30:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA28990for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 17:35:57 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA23485for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:34:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 368b589b198ed69e21f23497952e13ba On 10-Feb-98, Don Cox wrote: >>Do you get the same problem with ENLAN that I do, that if one machine >>crashes or is rebooted, the other locks up when you click on Volumes in a >>file requester? That seems to be its only problem. GOOD IDEA! , 11-Feb-98: >There's a lock put on those devices by the OS and when the link isn't >reestablished, you get that lock-up (most apparent when using Opus or >something that wants to read a non-existent device). Version 2.0 Enlan >will automatically remount devices after crash (upgrade now, it's worth it) Hi, Mark and Don!Yeah, that upgrade is what solved the problem, and it is *great* software. Support another great Amiga company (if it is still even around)! >Also to another mentioned area in another post: the AD516 version 2.0 >libraries are the ones supported for the Broadcaster and the version 3.0 >libraries are not. That is lame of Broadcaster. >Crashes are common if Producer and S16 were both active at once. Using both >libraries caused a conflict. There were occasional crashes for me if I used >S16 after quitting Producer. Maybe flushing the 2.0 library from memory I suspect an Avail FLUSH will not completely solve the problem. Broadcaster probably does some other things that cause conflict. >Ethernet network. Did you notice that when you tried to read a DBS >formatted partitioned device from a remote computer, you were only able to >read it once? This was a real pain for me in trying to use remote resources >to backup my audio and video work. Opus Magellean 5.661 has no problem >reading DBS partitions over the network. DOpus Magellan is a must! Actually, IT WOULD MAKE A GREAT INTERFACE FOR Q-MASTER! -- *greenboy* NO AMIGA TO WASTE -- http://thunderstorms.org/NATW John Shirley, Dave Wolverton, Gene Wolfe, Phillip K Dick // Team Ursula K LeGuin, William Gibson, Bruce Sterling, David Brin \X/ AMIGA Greg Bear, Neal Stephenson, Vernor Vinge, Kim Stanley Robinson --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From fdiebel@emrl.com Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:22:53 -0800 (PST) X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1733 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1735 (database) From: Floyd Diebel To: Floyd Diebel Subject: Re: S16: Chewin' the GUI Date: Wed, 11 Feb 98 19:22:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA00305for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:18:52 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA23850for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:17:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 35f94fdb098438e51ea24c82998ba575 On Wed, 11 Feb 1998, greenboy wrote: > Yeah, I've really started seeing how QMaster can have a great amount of > utility and power. What have you used to construct GUIs? I am really liking > stuff made with MUI: its development continues, there are many users out > there (and programs), and I like the customization it gives the user. MUIRexx. makes frilly nice GUIs pretty easily. that's what i was figuring on using again. i've never tried cando or anything like that. ----- fdiebel@boulez.emrl.com a/v composition and engineering. --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@bigsky.net Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:57:07 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1736 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: Re: S16: Chewin' the GUI Date: Wed, 11 Feb 98 20:57:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id UAA03466for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 20:00:01 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA24523for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 20:58:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 1d54b47747121e3e4b3536f0e23a19b2 On Wed, 11 Feb 1998, greenboy wrote: >>Yeah, I've really started seeing how QMaster can have a great amount of >>utility and power. What have you used to construct GUIs? I'm really liking >>stuff made with MUI: its development continues, there are many users out >>there (and programs), and I like the customization it gives the user. Floyd Diebel , 11-Feb-98: >MUIRexx. makes frilly nice GUIs pretty easily. that's what i was >figuring on using again. i've never tried cando or anything like that. Kewwl. I've made a couple things in Helm and it is quite good; covers most all the bases, uses modern system calls, requesters, etc. You can really build great screens and gadgets, and it is purty. But I haven't seen support for it as of late. Perhaps I need to track down Jerrell Nickerson and see where things are at with it. -- *greenboy* NO AMIGA TO WASTE -- http://thunderstorms.org/NATW John Shirley, Dave Wolverton, Gene Wolfe, Phillip K Dick // Team Ursula K LeGuin, William Gibson, Bruce Sterling, David Brin \X/ AMIGA Greg Bear, Neal Stephenson, Vernor Vinge, Kim Stanley Robinson --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From goodidea@aye.net Wed, 11 Feb 1998 15:18:36 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1734 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1737 (database) From: GOOD IDEA! To: greenboy Subject: Re: S16: Daisy-chain Beyond the SneakerNet Date: Wed, 11 Feb 98 21:18:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id UAA04134for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 20:22:55 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA24711for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:21:41 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 1abcea6f6a01f4535ee6781102eb2213 On 11-Feb-98, greenboy wrote: >Hi, Mark and Don!Yeah, that upgrade is what solved the problem, and it is >*great* software. Support another great Amiga company (if it is still even >around)! Still there a few months ago. >>Also to another mentioned area in another post: the AD516 version 2.0 >>libraries are the ones supported for the Broadcaster and the version 3.0 >>libraries are not. >That is lame of Broadcaster. Applied Magic was never able to get the developer docs on the 3.0 libraries. They tried. >DOpus Magellan is a must! Actually, IT WOULD MAKE A GREAT INTERFACE FOR >Q-MASTER! That's a good idea. -- Mark Needham GOOD IDEA! goodidea@aye.net Graphic design Photography Illustration Video Architecture Advertising Multi-media --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@bigsky.net Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:13:55 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1738 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: S16: Compendium Ms. Found In A Bottle Date: Wed, 11 Feb 98 22:13:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA05586for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:16:05 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA25044for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 22:14:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 4e835c3e962754ae97caa12cbc89c4b3 On 11-Feb-98, greenboy (that's me!) wrote: >>*great* software. Support another great Amiga company (if it is still even >>around)! Mark Needham , 11-Feb-98: >Still there a few months ago. Got an email@ and/or URL for Interworks? >>DOpus Magellan is a must! Actually, IT WOULD MAKE A GREAT INTERFACE FOR >>Q-MASTER! >That's a good idea. Yeah, there are a number of ways to approach it: user menu, lister menu or lister icon bar, and button bank -- with either text buttons or graphic ones, all in conjunction with listers. It is amazing what great arexx stuff is out there for DOpus. FTP and lha stuff with listers is neato. >>AD516 version 2.0 libraries are the ones supported for the Broadcaster >>and the version 3.0 libraries are not. >Applied Magic was never able to get the developer docs on the 3.0 >libraries. They tried. Jeez we keep getting back to that: A LACK OF SunRize DEVELOPER RESOURCES. -- *greenboy* NO AMIGA TO WASTE -- http://thunderstorms.org/NATW John Shirley, Dave Wolverton, Gene Wolfe, Phillip K Dick // Team Ursula K LeGuin, William Gibson, Bruce Sterling, David Brin \X/ AMIGA Greg Bear, Neal Stephenson, Vernor Vinge, Kim Stanley Robinson --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From benfuller@msn.com Wed, 11 Feb 1998 15:53:12 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1739 (database) From: Ben Fuller To: studio16 Subject: Re: Compendium Ms. Found In A Bottle Date: Thu, 12 Feb 98 00:53:00 Message-ID: <002a01bd3748$37a25380$0300000a@portaben> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id XAA09998for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 23:54:18 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA26858for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:52:47 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: d62c7a6a6665db65114a81fa4537b261 greenboy recently wrote: >>>AD516 version 2.0 libraries are the ones supported for the Broadcaster >>>and the version 3.0 libraries are not. >>Applied Magic was never able to get the developer docs on the 3.0 >>libraries. They tried. Developer documentation for Studio 16 release 3.0 does not exist. Besides, if I remember correctly, SunRize was gone before Applied Magic "appeared"... >Jeez we keep getting back to that: A LACK OF SunRize DEVELOPER RESOURCES. I sense that you feel that SunRize was in some way negligent by not providing information on how to program a proprietary hardware device that was intended to be used with software created for the exclusive use of that hardware device. Anyone thinking that SunRize should have created documentation for third-party developers instead of improving the performance and stability of a product that was actually making money would be thinking incorrectly. Third-party developers would have simply been icing on the cake. They certainly were not neccessary to the short-term success of the product -- which, by the way, is what usually creates the profit neccessary to stay in business. Best regards, Ben Fuller --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From jkrutz@meta.burner.com Wed, 11 Feb 98 10:42:04 MST X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1716 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1740 (database) From: Jamie Krutz To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16: GUI Ducking Date: Wed, 11 Feb 98 18:42:00 Message-ID: <9802111742.AA014bv@meta.burner.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id AAA11669for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:52:13 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA27685for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 01:50:51 +0100 References: X-NewsSoftware: GRn 2.1 Feb 19, 1994 Organization: The Back Burner BBS Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 924a369194520f9afba4f36f7b7df9d5 In article greenboy writes: > greenboy (that's me!) wrote: > Jamie Krutz=A0,=A010-Feb-98: > >A quick way to create a GUI for ARexx or CLI software is to use CanDo. I= > t > >gives you most of the buttons, fields, scrolling windows, sliders and > >display options you might want, and it can create a stand-alone executab= > le. > >The program might be 100k bigger than it otherwise would be, but what's > >100k these days, expecially since CanDo can save weeks of work? > > >I used CanDo to create an easy interface for one of the Broadcaster > >utilities, and gave it away to anyone who wanted it (it was on Applied > >Magic's BBS). I've even used CanDo for more complex, stand-alone program= > s > >that could also communicate with commercial software via ARexx. Very coo= > l > >stuff. > > Hey, Jamie, so how well does CanDo handle using OS3.1 features? Does it h= > ave > the ability to use system calls for file requester, screenmode, pub scree= > n, > etc. You have to run CanDo itself on a standard Amiga-style screen (not a graphics card) when you are creating your program, but the program you create will run on any kind of screen, including those promoted to add-on graphics cards. I'm not sure about the ability to share a public screen, but you can run your programs directly on the workbench or their own screens. As I recall, CanDo does access the standard file requester. And it has really nice support for ARexx. > The reason I ask: Innovatronics is no longer around, are they? Nope, they're history. If you were smart you bought CanDo while you could. Just imagine if everyone had purchased the software they wish they could get now, maybe more of these companies would still be around... You may be able to find a used copy to buy. > HELM is another "authoring" system that shows great promise here; might b= > e > the same old Amiga story for its parent company though. I have seen > commercial and shareware done in these progs that is way sharp though. Helm was looking promising but not quite up to CanDo when I last looked into it. I don't know if it has undergone further development or not. In some ways it looked like it could eventually be better than CanDo. I tried to develop a commercial program with CanDo but ran into a few limitations that Innovatronics were unwilling to tackle in the end. I stopped development three or four years ago. One of my beta testers still runs her law office with my CanDo-produced software, though. > I am also quite pleased with all the MUI apps I run, and the customizing = > is > way cool, like Big Daddy Roth sez {-8 We use MUI for WCS on the Amiga. We like it a lot. But CanDo is even easier and perfect for this kind of quickie interface. There may be other options out there. Best Regards, -Jamie --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@bigsky.net Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:03:01 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1741 (database) From: greenboy To: Ben Fuller Subject: Re: Compendium Ms. Found In A Bottle Date: Thu, 12 Feb 98 02:03:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id BAA12061for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 01:05:01 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA27809for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 02:03:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: d593c3ade0400ac21f5304a180666b0f greenboy recently wrote: >>Jeez we keep getting back to that: A LACK OF SunRize DEVELOPER RESOURCES. Ben Fuller , 11-Feb-98: >I sense that you feel that SunRize was in some way negligent by not >providing information on how to program a proprietary hardware device that >was intended to be used with software created for the exclusive use of that >hardware device. Didn't say that. But now that you mention it, I believe self-righteous proprietary stances are short-sighted. >Anyone thinking that SunRize should have created documentation for >third-party developers instead of improving the performance and stability >of a product that was actually making money would be thinking incorrectly. Doing both is achievable. It is not an either/or situation. >Third-party developers would have simply been icing on the cake. They >certainly were not neccessary to the short-term success of the product -- >which, by the way, is what usually creates the profit neccessary to stay in Maybe that's the way you see it. Most people now want compatibility and cross-use issues solved, before they even consider buying a product, and most people /then/ wanted professional products to work together. So I'll just continue with my "incorrect thinking". There are so many models of marketplace success supporting it, after all. %-] -- *greenboy* NO AMIGA TO WASTE -- http://thunderstorms.org/NATW John Shirley, Dave Wolverton, Gene Wolfe, Phillip K Dick // Team Ursula K LeGuin, William Gibson, Bruce Sterling, David Brin \X/ AMIGA Greg Bear, Neal Stephenson, Vernor Vinge, Kim Stanley Robinson --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@bigsky.net Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:50:33 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1742 (database) From: greenboy To: Jamie Krutz Subject: Re: S16: GUI Ducking Date: Thu, 12 Feb 98 02:50:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id BAA12960for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 01:57:10 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA28181for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 02:55:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: f4105b79ac179071db5eae8cca09a43b Jamie Krutz , 11-Feb-98: In conjunction with greenboy (that's me!) > -- major snip-- >has really nice support for ARexx. Yeah, some good stuff has been made in CanDo. >Nope, they're history. If you were smart you bought CanDo while you >could. Just imagine if everyone had purchased the software they wish >they could get now, maybe more of these companies would still be around... Always bought tons of software, and encouraged friends and clients to do the same. If a company has gone under, its not because I played "wait and see". I have little patience for either pirates or malingerers. 8D >Helm was looking promising but not quite up to CanDo when I last looked >into it. I don't know if it has undergone further development or not. In >some ways it looked like it could eventually be better than CanDo. When I checked out Helm it was ahead in all but a few respects; development and releases came very fast after CanDo was history. But the reason I bought it was because it was a faster learning curve for what I wanted to do. >I tried to develop a commercial program with CanDo but ran into >a few limitations that Innovatronics were unwilling to tackle in the end. Never heard this kind of a story before, have we . . . ;/ >>I am also quite pleased with all the MUI apps I run, and the customizing = >>is way cool, like Big Daddy Roth sez {-8 >We use MUI for WCS on the Amiga. We like it a lot. But CanDo is even >easier and perfect for this kind of quickie interface. There may be other >options out there. Did you see my post mentioning DOpus Magellan? That is an easy way also. I'd say AmigaVision but Helm is actually fantastic at this stuff, no run-time module needed either. Comparing GEnie Viewport mags made in Helm vs ones made in CanDo, the Helm ones were easier to install, and cleaner. -- *greenboy* NO AMIGA TO WASTE -- http://thunderstorms.org/NATW John Shirley, Dave Wolverton, Gene Wolfe, Phillip K Dick // Team Ursula K LeGuin, William Gibson, Bruce Sterling, David Brin \X/ AMIGA Greg Bear, Neal Stephenson, Vernor Vinge, Kim Stanley Robinson --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From masquith@erols.com 12 Feb 98 21:10:24 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1739 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1743 (database) From: Mike Masquith To: studio16 Subject: Re: Compendium Ms. Found In A Bottle Date: Thu, 12 Feb 98 17:10:00 Message-ID: <34E3653F.MD-0.198.masquith@erols.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id CAA13187for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 02:12:39 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA28281for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 03:11:31 +0100 Organization: Barkin' Beaver Studios Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS 0.198 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 7f3a4b93f98c9ef642d801c0785affd0 Ben Wrote: > I sense that you feel that SunRize was in some way negligent by not > providing information on how to program a proprietary hardware device that > was intended to be used with software created for the exclusive use of that > hardware device. Anyone thinking that SunRize should have created > documentation for third-party developers instead of improving the > performance and stability of a product that was actually making money would > be thinking incorrectly. > True. Did SunRize create any documentation at all (meaning for their internal use, not necessarily geared towards 'outsiders')? Or did they keep it all in their heads? ;) I sense you feel various people are attacking Sunrize posthumously, when it's possible they are just trying to determine what can be done. If absolutely no technical documentation exists anymore (internal or otherwise), then further development would be diffcult. Anyone attempting to pick up where Sunrize left off would have a hell of a time. Assuming they were even legally able to do it, which appears to be impossible. -- -Mike Masquith, Barkin' Beaver Studios, VA, USA -A4000/060,CSMK1,CybSCSI Eagle Tower,VLM-Toccata,Ariadne -A3000/040,AD516,Ariadne,YamahaCDR101 --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@bigsky.net Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:41:37 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1744 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: Re: S16: Compendium Ms. Found In A Bottle Date: Thu, 12 Feb 98 03:41:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id CAA13783for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 02:43:54 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA28464for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 03:42:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: f047cf1d90c736ec9f773bc8452dbc2c Ben Wrote: >> I sense that you feel that SunRize was in some way negligent Mike Masquith , 12-Feb-98: >I sense you feel various people are attacking Sunrize posthumously, >when it's possible they are just trying to determine what can be done. So perhaps you can understand Ben, that no blame was attached to my statements. As Mike said, we just want to do what can be done. Many people still believe the Amiga has something to offer, and it is frustrating to come up on that particular brick wall in the current state of things. As a dealer, I had an investment in selling and supporting Amigas and third-party products but -- as I suspect of most people involved with the Amiga -- it was an emotional bond as well as a financial one. Evangelism is a word that often comes to mind. We still love our Amigas, even if we have Macs and PCs. -- *greenboy* NO AMIGA TO WASTE -- http://thunderstorms.org/NATW John Shirley, Dave Wolverton, Gene Wolfe, Phillip K Dick // Team Ursula K LeGuin, William Gibson, Bruce Sterling, David Brin \X/ AMIGA Greg Bear, Neal Stephenson, Vernor Vinge, Kim Stanley Robinson --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From baff@mindspring.com Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:29:03 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1734 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1745 (database) From: Brian Fields To: greenboy Subject: Re: S16: Daisy-chain Beyond the SneakerNet Date: Wed, 11 Feb 98 17:29:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id CAA13922for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 02:49:05 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA28534for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 03:48:03 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 09c9129b9844921865f0b13ac1351a1a On 11-Feb-98, greenboy wrote: >On 10-Feb-98, Don Cox wrote: >>Crashes are common if Producer and S16 were both active at once. Using both >>libraries caused a conflict. There were occasional crashes for me if I used >>S16 after quitting Producer. Maybe flushing the 2.0 library from memory >I suspect an Avail FLUSH will not completely solve the problem. Broadcaster >probably does some other things that cause conflict. The Broadcaster Elite was frought with many problems that the company was not quick to respond to and required the user to "divine" his way through the myriad of difficulties. The BE board itself was way ahead of its time and consequently couldn't seem to get enough throughput with only SCSI2 and other existing hardware. The PPC is a joy, as I've seen testament to, with this board and I can't wait to get it up aand running ALONG WITH and in concert with the AD516 through SMPTE. As with many Amiga products the Amiga US bankruptcy took the wind out of the intentioned profits and ongoing dreams with this great board as well as I'm sure the Sunrize boards. >--- >*** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ -- Brian baff@mindspring.com --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From baff@mindspring.com Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:39:50 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1729 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1746 (database) From: Brian Fields To: GOOD IDEA! Subject: Re: S16: Daisy-chain Beyond the SneakerNet Date: Wed, 11 Feb 98 17:39:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id CAA13927for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 02:49:08 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA28540for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 03:48:08 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 4fbfa9c69776917758cba1bf9f2f6458 On 11-Feb-98, GOOD IDEA! wrote: >Also to another mentioned area in another post: the AD516 version 2.0 >libraries are the ones supported for the Broadcaster and the version 3.0 >libraries are not. The cue list in version 3.0 is indispensible, though, and I >captured sound in the Broadcaster, then fired up 3.0 to edit. Crashes are >common if Producer and S16 were both active at once. Using both libraries >caused a conflict. There were occasional crashes for me if I used S16 after >quitting Producer. Maybe flushing the 2.0 library from memory would solve it. >The convenience of using 3.0 overrode the lost work from the occasional crash >for me. I'm trying to solve this problem by using another A3000 through SMPTE with SCSI networked machines and I'm waiting on a part from UPS to start putting the whole configuration together. I would love to hear your ideas & experiences with your Broadcaster as I am getting this stuff up and running. At the risk of getting too much off the Sunrize topic and all of Kenny's great effort I'll take this discussion off the ML. (unless there's another lull). :) Qmaster and Kenny rule! Thanks again Kenny. >goodidea@aye.net >Graphic design Photography Illustration Video Architecture Advertising >Multi-media >--- >*** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ -- Brian baff@mindspring.com --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From baff@mindspring.com Wed, 11 Feb 1998 20:25:44 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1722 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1747 (database) From: Brian Fields To: greenboy Subject: Re: S16: Daisy Chain, Tired Footprints, Worn-out Sneakers Date: Wed, 11 Feb 98 16:25:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id CAA13934for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 02:49:15 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA28548for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 03:48:16 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id DAA28537 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: bae61f6014bba0fbe8833799dddc61f4 On 11-Feb-98, greenboy wrote: >Brian Fields , 10-Feb-98: >>Here's the latest and probably the best config after more thought. >> '060 PPC A3000 - 40 Megs ram >> --snip-- >> '060 MKII A3000 - 48 Megs ram >> --snippety-snip-- >> '040 Commodore A3000 - 16 Megs ram >> --yet more snippety-snip-- >Kinda tough to keep up here Brian, old boy. ;-} I don't think anyone who >hasn't done this is gonna have a clue what advice to offer. I _have_ done >stuff like this, and though I plan for what I think is every eventuality, >practicality, plus and minus -- before I step into action -- > -- well, lets just say even the best plan will evolve as needs and use >informs you . . . >Still curious, what soft-stuff are you using to maintain SCSI networking? A3000 has it built in and I know people who have used this feature. >Got to watch for SCSI bandwidth. Really do not want any other SCSI access >going ANYWHERE over the network when recording or playing back audio or >video on any machine that is sharing through SCSI. Not to mention the CPU >interaction-thresholds Diskspeed indicates. Yup. I've changed the plan to include just the boot drive on SCSI 1, the Jaz and the two A3000 SCSI controllers (one set to 7 and one set to 6). The other boot drive will be on SCSI 2 bus. I'll just use the Jaz as a common well as it were. . . . . .oh well I'll let you know in private mail how it goes as you seem to be interested. I thought putting this on the ML might create some discussion and give some other Studio16 users some ideas. >*** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ -- Brian baff@mindspring.com --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From gmula@nwlink.com Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:13:03 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1721 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1748 (database) From: Gary Mula To: greenboy Subject: Re: S16: QMaster WishList! Date: Thu, 12 Feb 98 04:13:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id DAA14342for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 03:14:16 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA28805for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 04:13:10 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id EAA28803 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 80d1e39d8cec981283dd73da8b9ce3e5 On 10-Feb-98, greenboy wrote: >¤ AddTimeOnSelected enter nn:nn:nn value to add to all hilited items >¤ SubTimeOnSelected enter nn:nn:nn value to subtract from hilited >items I think this is already available via the "offset selected" option under S16 "ENTRY" >¤ Double/Offset selected entry is doubled nn:nn, stereo options I would love to see some sort of mirroring ability as GreenyBoy mentions here. Grouping does this to some degree, but lets say you have a half hour of piano improvisation with a handfull of bloopers that you want to edit out. It's recorded in stereo....all of your edits must be done twice and hopefully with accuracy. If you could do the edits to one track and then tell QMaster to mirror the edits of track one to track two, it would cut your time down considerably, not to mention taking the fear out of doing stereo recording much more often. Obviously there would need to be some limitations to the process. Destructive edits would be ignored. Kenny, how about adding a SMPTE offset calculator. One that includes "plus" values (100ths of frames) as well as BPM. -- ------------------------------------------------------------ Gary Mula / /CALLEYE Productions/ / /The Dutchman/ Singer-Songwriter / Producer Seattle, Washington, USA Team *AMIGA* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@bigsky.net Wed, 11 Feb 1998 20:37:29 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1749 (database) From: greenboy To: Brian Fields Subject: Re: S16: Broadcaster Date: Thu, 12 Feb 98 04:37:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id DAA14684for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 03:39:55 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA29000for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 04:38:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 379338be1c94e779c5292478e8de6b75 Brian Fields , 11-Feb-98: >The Broadcaster Elite was frought with many problems that the company was >not quick to respond to and required the user to "divine" his way through >the myriad of difficulties. The BE board itself was way ahead of its time >and consequently couldn't seem to get enough throughput with only SCSI2 Yeah, it was a great concept, and it was more open-ended than the Toaster of its time. But I was put off when I saw the state of the documentation. NewTek has always had good, maybe great, manuals. And they periodically salt the marketplace with developer docs and incentive programs. That throughput thing was a problem in the Flyer's early history too. I kept hoping as I talked to both companies that the Sunrize board would be the audio solution for each non-linear editor. >As with many Amiga products the Amiga US bankruptcy took the wind out of >the intentioned profits and ongoing dreams with this great board as well >as I'm sure the Sunrize boards. Amen. >The PPC is a joy, as I've seen testament to, with this board and I can't >wait to get it up aand running ALONG WITH and in concert with the AD516 >through SMPTE. New life on the Amiga. Hope a million are sold. And its a STANDARD! (And best of luck in your explorations!) -- *greenboy* NO AMIGA TO WASTE -- http://thunderstorms.org/NATW John Shirley, Dave Wolverton, Gene Wolfe, Phillip K Dick // Team Ursula K LeGuin, William Gibson, Bruce Sterling, David Brin \X/ AMIGA Greg Bear, Neal Stephenson, Vernor Vinge, Kim Stanley Robinson --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@bigsky.net Wed, 11 Feb 1998 20:15:13 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1750 (database) From: greenboy To: Brian Fields Subject: Re: S16: Daisy Chain, Tired Footprints, Worn-out Sneakers Date: Thu, 12 Feb 98 04:15:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id DAA14689for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 03:39:58 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA28999for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 04:38:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 90c8681956fd100c664f4b4ca925f29b On 11-Feb-98, greenboy wrote: >>Still curious, what soft-stuff are you using to maintain SCSI networking? Brian Fields , 11-Feb-98: >A3000 has it built in and I know people who have used this feature. Yeah, what I am asking is: what software you will use in conjunction with the onboard SCSI hardware, to handle it all. It takes more than just a cable between the external SCSI ports, AFAIK. Maybe I am missing something? >and the two A3000 SCSI controllers (one set to 7 and one set to 6). SO just changing the host address will be enough (#6 on one, #7 on the other)? That had not been my previous experience. Client [drive] issues were the reason, I believe. >oh well I'll let you know in private mail how it goes as you seem This is probably on-topic stuff, I would think. Until the ML exceeds 50 emails a day anyway =}. I am interested, because SCSI is so much faster than Ethernet. -- *greenboy* NO AMIGA TO WASTE -- http://thunderstorms.org/NATW John Shirley, Dave Wolverton, Gene Wolfe, Phillip K Dick // Team Ursula K LeGuin, William Gibson, Bruce Sterling, David Brin \X/ AMIGA Greg Bear, Neal Stephenson, Vernor Vinge, Kim Stanley Robinson --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@bigsky.net Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:10:33 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1751 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: Re: S16: QMaster WishList! Date: Thu, 12 Feb 98 05:10:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id EAA15410for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 04:12:40 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA29218for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 05:11:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: f813f8c988f8b719b2efcb1d2b18d09a On 10-Feb-98, greenboy wrote: >>¤ Double/Offset selected entry is doubled nn:nn, stereo options Gary Mula , 11-Feb-98: >have a half hour of piano improvisation with a handfull of bloopers >that you want to edit out. It's recorded in stereo....all of your >edits must be done twice and hopefully with accuracy. If you could do >the edits to one track and then tell QMaster to mirror the edits of >track one to track two, it would cut your time down considerably, not >to mention taking the fear out of doing stereo recording much more That's one use. >Obviously there would need to be some limitations to the process. >Destructive edits would be ignored. OR you could have a destructive/non-destructive option-requester. >Kenny, how about adding a SMPTE offset calculator. One that includes >"plus" values (100ths of frames) as well as BPM. Somewhere on Aminet there is a SMPTE calc. Wonder if it does easy cut & paste and runs on a public screen? But one you could use and then have the result go into the Cuelist: that would be hot! -- *greenboy* NO AMIGA TO WASTE -- http://thunderstorms.org/NATW John Shirley, Dave Wolverton, Gene Wolfe, Phillip K Dick // Team Ursula K LeGuin, William Gibson, Bruce Sterling, David Brin \X/ AMIGA Greg Bear, Neal Stephenson, Vernor Vinge, Kim Stanley Robinson --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From baff@mindspring.com Thu, 12 Feb 1998 01:30:13 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1749 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1753 (database) From: Brian Fields To: greenboy Subject: Re: S16: Broadcaster Date: Wed, 11 Feb 98 21:30:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id GAA18323for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 06:39:54 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA29891for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 07:38:39 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id HAA29885 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: ad146fb6f92614d555f2beedc184dd10 On 12-Feb-98, greenboy wrote: >Brian Fields , 11-Feb-98: >>The Broadcaster Elite was frought with many problems that the company was >>the myriad of difficulties. The BE board itself was way ahead of its time >Yeah, it was a great concept, and it was more open-ended than the Toaster of >its time. But I was put off when I saw the state of the documentation. >NewTek has always had good, maybe great, manuals. And they periodically salt >the marketplace with developer docs and incentive programs. I'm not a video jock, I'm a musician (no damnit this time :) ) just trying to do the best with what I have. NewTek is the flag flyer for the Amiga no doubt, because the folks who could afford to do video put their bucks into the best for the time. And NewTek stuck with their product for longer than a lot of others. The Broadcaster folks as with all cutting edge stuff went in fits and starts. In danger of being flamed here but I've never known a great engineer who was a great marketer and never known a great salesman who was a great engineer. They both take an enormous amount of passion and energy to do well. Dedicated artists on the other hand do as little as they must of both to achieve their ends(and they always seem to be considered poor ne'er do wells until they succeed!). Such is innovation. >That throughput thing was a problem in the Flyer's early history too. Yeah but as I say, they saw it through and it has paid off but it seems it's about to be eclipsed by other platforms. >I kept hoping as I talked to both companies that the Sunrize board would be >the audio solution for each non-linear editor. I know people that work on multiple platforms that know coding and engineering that insist that the front end for the Sunrize boards is still the best they know of. I hear it repeated over and over. >>As with many Amiga products the Amiga US bankruptcy took the wind out of >>the intentioned profits and ongoing dreams with this great board as well >>as I'm sure the Sunrize boards. >Amen. >>The PPC is a joy, as I've seen testament to, with this board and I can't >>wait to get it up aand running ALONG WITH and in concert with the AD516 >>through SMPTE. >New life on the Amiga. Hope a million are sold. And its a STANDARD! (And >best of luck in your explorations!) Thank you sir. Trying not to bleed too much on the *dull but sharp enough cut the mustard* cutting edge here. We'll see. >--- >*** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ -- Brian baff@mindspring.com --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From baff@mindspring.com Thu, 12 Feb 1998 01:06:53 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1750 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1754 (database) From: Brian Fields To: greenboy Subject: Re: S16: Daisy Chain, Tired Footprints, Worn-out Sneakers Date: Wed, 11 Feb 98 21:06:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id GAA18324for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 06:39:54 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA29892for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 07:38:42 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: e73b4f88222be295ef0db93317c59336 On 12-Feb-98, greenboy wrote: >>A3000 has it built in and I know people who have used this feature. >Yeah, what I am asking is: what software you will use in conjunction with >the onboard SCSI hardware, to handle it all. It takes more than just a cable >between the external SCSI ports, AFAIK. Maybe I am missing something? The stock A3000 SCSI bus recognizes the drives and will share them as long as the SCSI device numbers are different. The boot drives will be on different busses. No software. Hardware sees the hard drives. No hocus pocus. No waving of magic wands. >>and the two A3000 SCSI controllers (one set to 7 and one set to 6). >SO just changing the host address will be enough (#6 on one, #7 on the >other)? || || Yup. and . . . . . . .\||/ \/ >That had not been my previous experience. Client [drive] issues were >the reason, I believe. I'm putting the other boot drive on SCSI2 (via MKII) so there won't be any boot conflicts via SCSI1 and changing the bootpri also. >This is probably on-topic stuff, I would think. Until the ML exceeds 50 >emails a day anyway =}. I am interested, because SCSI is so much faster than >Ethernet. Absolutely correct. And it isn't so far off as the Studio16 uses SMPTE for a timing source and networked A3000's are a powerful way to do multi-media. AND I. LOVE. MY. DAMN. AD516. y'all!! Who else can do *all* what we can do with this "obselete" and *cheap* stuff? If it's good enough to crunch numbers for NASA . . . . . . . . >--- >*** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ -- Brian Amiga since '88 baff@mindspring.com --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From benfuller@msn.com Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:45:09 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1755 (database) From: Ben Fuller To: studio16 Subject: Re: Compendium Ms. Found In A Bottle Date: Thu, 12 Feb 98 09:45:00 Message-ID: <004601bd3793$8b5278c0$0300000a@portaben> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id IAA21977for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 08:53:07 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA30489for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:51:53 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 344c216e26b9ce37296cb93b649632cb Mike recently wrote: >Did SunRize create any documentation at all (meaning for >their internal use, not necessarily geared towards 'outsiders')? >Or did they keep it all in their heads? ;) When a spelunk through the source code didn't provide the information, a question pointed at the appropriate engineer would usually result in more than one would want to know... >I sense you feel various people are attacking Sunrize posthumously, You would be sensing correctly. >when it's possible they are just trying to determine what can be done. "What can be done" has very little to do with what kind of developer support or documentation was or was not made available by SunRize. >If absolutely no technical documentation exists anymore (internal or >otherwise), then further development would be diffcult. Anyone >attempting to pick up where Sunrize left off would have a hell of a >time. Assuming they were even legally able to do it, which appears to >be impossible. The executables for Studio16 fit onto two 880k floppies. Someone with the proper skills who is truly interested in discovering all of the information neccessary to interface with the AD516 could do so in a matter of days -- it is not very complicated. Anything is possible... Ben. --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From benfuller@msn.com Thu, 12 Feb 1998 01:03:59 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1756 (database) From: Ben Fuller To: studio16 Subject: Re: Compendium Ms. Found In A Bottle Date: Thu, 12 Feb 98 10:03:01 Message-ID: <004701bd3795$2c9a33c0$0300000a@portaben> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id JAA22326for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:03:53 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA30577for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:02:53 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: d78c33617c6c039a1b6b142f0cae333a greenboy recently wrote: >>Anyone thinking that SunRize should have created documentation for >>third-party developers instead of improving the performance and stability >>of a product that was actually making money would be thinking incorrectly. >Doing both is achievable. It is not an either/or situation. Doing both was not achievable with the finite set of resources (time, people, etc.) that were available during and after the Studio 16 3.0 release cycle, period. As the third-party engineering liason, I would have loved to have been able to put together a devkit for Studio16. It would have been really cool to be able to use Studio16 with other sound cards... with the flyer... with the PAR... There just wasn't enough time. Ben. --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From goodidea@aye.net Thu, 12 Feb 1998 08:54:31 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1738 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1759 (database) From: GOOD IDEA! To: greenboy Subject: Re: S16: Compendium Ms. Found In A Bottle Date: Thu, 12 Feb 98 14:54:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id NAA02006for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:59:38 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA32109for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:57:28 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 311fa898786c02fac26383fa713dd995 On 11-Feb-98, greenboy wrote: >Got an email@ and/or URL for Interworks? >********************************************************************** >* Interworks - Professional Network Solutions * >* 43191 Camino Casillas * >* Temecula, CA 92592-3714 * >* Voice: (909) 699-8120 FAX: (909) 699-8279 * >* EMail Addresses: * >* info@iworks.com - General Interworks information * >* orders@iworks.com - Place Product Orders * >* abrooks@iworks.com - Allen Brooks - President * >* http://www.iworks.com - Interworks Home Page * >********************************************************************** There you go. -- Mark Needham GOOD IDEA! goodidea@aye.net Graphic design Photography Illustration Video Architecture Advertising Multi-media --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@bigsky.net Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:21:52 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1761 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: S16: Morning Constitutional email Date: Thu, 12 Feb 98 17:21:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id QAA07094for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:31:35 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA32751for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:28:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 491ca195d1e68a5838a335bfd3f2ed41 Brian Fields: >Who else can do *all* what we can do with this "obselete" and *cheap* stuff Well, just to play devil's advocate, most hardware stuff is incredibly cheap on the other platforms. We get lucky in categories where we use the same hardware. Also, much great software is cheaper than we tend to think (but the premium packages make up for it). And by the time you've got everything in a PC working together . . . But creative people of different stripes rallied around the Mac or the Amiga and it still seems to me that Amiga people are capable of getting more done in more areas with stuff that is "dead" than most of their counterparts elsewhere. Hope that after using your SCSI network awhile you will share the pros and cons. I think some synchronization issues will especially interest others here. >>That throughput thing was a problem in the Flyer's early history too. >Yeah but as I say, they saw it through and it has paid off but it seems >it's about to be eclipsed by other platforms. The Flyer editing experience can be godlike! The interface is deceptively simple and results are so immediate. It's possible to be creative here, and fast, and come in under budget. I believe some of the other stuff on the other platforms is actually sidetracking to clients and producers. (But so are all the great plug-ins and 3rd party stuff for the Flyer, I suppose.) That is actually the way I felt when first seeing Studio16v3.01. What a tool for AV work! Back in the Now: just fix and add a few things, mostly to cut out intermediate steps, and WHAMMO! -- again, its clobbering time! Mark Needham: >* abrooks@iworks.com - Allen Brooks - President * >* http://www.iworks.com - Interworks Home Page * > >There you go. Thank you. And the site has recently been updated too. Yabba dabba doo! Ben Fuller: >As the third-party engineering liason, I would have loved to have been able >to put together a devkit for Studio16. It would have been really cool to >be able to use Studio16 with other sound cards... with the flyer... with >the PAR... >There just wasn't enough time. Aah, to have that power: to change what has gone before. But I am amazed that the Amiga still stands after what we have been through. So many key categories of software and hardware no longer exist as live projects; so many newer concepts have never been done here because it takes a team, not just a lone coder posting to Aminet. And yet I have hope. There are encouraging signs *everywhere* on the web (as well as some obvious downers). I just wish some of those lone programmers would build the smaller things that would help, instead of all those games and Demos. But that's just me . . . -- *greenboy* NO AMIGA TO WASTE -- http://thunderstorms.org/NATW John Shirley, Dave Wolverton, Gene Wolfe, Phillip K Dick // Team Ursula K LeGuin, William Gibson, Bruce Sterling, David Brin \X/ AMIGA Greg Bear, Neal Stephenson, Vernor Vinge, Kim Stanley Robinson --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From kenny@bgnett.no 12 Feb 98 17:41:39 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1748 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1762 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Gary Mula Subject: Re: S16: QMaster WishList! Date: Thu, 12 Feb 98 17:41:00 Message-ID: <2098.347T1974T10613583@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA09873for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:12:30 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA00464for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 19:11:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: e3dbec3475b32895f323b18ed215f1f7 Gary Mula wrote: >>¤ AddTimeOnSelected enter nn:nn:nn value to add to all hilited >>¤ SubTimeOnSelected enter nn:nn:nn value to subtract from hilited >I think this is already available via the "offset selected" >option under S16 "ENTRY" I could always make a script that allow you to search for a keyword in the entry paths that you want to process instead of or in addition to groups or selected entries. >I would love to see some sort of mirroring ability as GreenyBoy I'm not sure if you mean Sample edits or Cuelist track edits here ? QMaster doesn't process samples yet (other than some preferences - though full sample editing is planned to be implemented in a future version), but to mirror tracks isn't a problem. The script can copy all entries timecode wise and then exchange for example the _L with _R in the sample path/name and set PAN accordingly. No problem, or did you think of sample clips/edits? >Destructive edits would be ignored. Yup, when applying a desctructive edit you will remove (or copy) sample data on the physical file. With non-destuctive edits the clips are stored as pointers in the sample header. Earsing these will bring back your orginal file (Undo all for instance). >Kenny, how about adding a SMPTE offset calculator. One that includes >"plus" values (100ths of frames) as well as BPM. Noted. You can do mathematically operations on SMPTE already. One of the tutor scripts I work on now shows how: If you want to add: 01:23:45:12 (NTSC) to 00:02:45:07 you do this: SmpteToSeconds "NTSC" "00:02:45:06" number=result SmpteToSeconds "NTSC" "01:23:45:12" adder=result SecondsToSMPTE "NTSC" number+adder say result >> 01:26:30:18 The numbers can be asked via a string requester and video system can be autodetected (PAL/NTSC) or chosen by user. I will support PLUS and BPM in a future version. You can easily convert PAL to NTSC too and vica verca (while we're at it): SmpteToSeconds "PAL" "00:34:51:22" SecondsToSMPTE "NTSC" result say result >> 00:34:51:26 - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From fdiebel@emrl.com Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:03:27 -0800 (PST) X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1761 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1763 (database) From: Floyd Diebel To: Studio16 Crew Subject: Re: S16: Morning Constitutional email Date: Thu, 12 Feb 98 20:03:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA10982for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:58:42 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA00765for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 19:57:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 7898f7ff93d99c14250d96f3119f5190 On Thu, 12 Feb 1998, greenboy wrote: > The Flyer editing experience can be godlike! The interface is deceptively > simple and results are so immediate. It's possible to be creative here, and [...] i love my flyer setup, but i hate to way it handles audio. assuming you have to perfect audio footage going in, it is fast though. i'm sure glad i have a sunrize setup to complement it. ----- fdiebel@boulez.emrl.com a/v composition and engineering. --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@bigsky.net Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:21:14 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1764 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: S16: Flyer Complements Date: Thu, 12 Feb 98 21:21:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id UAA13462for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 20:24:49 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA01327for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 21:23:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 815216bb7f6c4500b1652aa0360af960 On Thu, 12 Feb 1998, greenboy wrote: >>The Flyer editing experience can be godlike! The interface is deceptively >>simple and results are so immediate. It's possible to be creative here, Floyd Diebel , 12-Feb-98: >i love my flyer setup, but i hate to way it handles audio. assuming you >have to perfect audio footage going in, it is fast though. i'm sure glad >i have a sunrize setup to complement it. Yeah, as a dealer I bugged NewTek bi-weekly to make sure they considered supporting the AD516 for the Flyer. But there are many good tools by OzWare, VisualInspirations, and the like to improve the Flyer's handling of audio. These programs and the way they interface with NewTek's software are great examples of what can be achieved with ARexx and an Authoring system. On its own it is a little too much like what you find on VTRs. -- *greenboy* NO AMIGA TO WASTE -- http://thunderstorms.org/NATW Friend of AMAZING Computing since Issue #1 // Team Let's get advertizers back in AMAZING \X/ AMIGA Restore it to its Former Glory --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From jkrutz@meta.burner.com Thu, 12 Feb 98 11:17:40 MST X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1734 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1765 (database) From: Jamie Krutz To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16: Daisy-chain Beyond the SneakerNet Date: Thu, 12 Feb 98 19:17:00 Message-ID: <9802121817.AA014cj@meta.burner.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id UAA14222for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 20:52:18 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA01649for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 21:51:11 +0100 References: X-NewsSoftware: GRn 2.1 Feb 19, 1994 Organization: The Back Burner BBS Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: de17e310ecf59d3116b8ef3d571d47e0 In article greenboy writes: > On 10-Feb-98, Don Cox wrote: > >Also to another mentioned area in another post: the AD516 version 2.0 > >libraries are the ones supported for the Broadcaster and the version 3.0= > > >libraries are not. > > That is lame of Broadcaster. There was a communication problem between the two companies. SunRize did not share sufficient information with Applied Magic to allow for solid support of the 3.0 libraries. This may have been because by then Applied Magic was talking about doing their own audio card (which eventually materialized as SoundStage). Or it may be for other reasons (did _anyone_ get 3.x libary development support from SunRize?). Best Regards, -Jamie --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From jkrutz@meta.burner.com Thu, 12 Feb 98 11:39:28 MST X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1756 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1766 (database) From: Jamie Krutz To: studio16 Subject: Re: Compendium Ms. Found In A Bottle Date: Thu, 12 Feb 98 19:39:00 Message-ID: <9802121839.AA014ct@meta.burner.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id UAA14226for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 20:52:21 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA01651for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 21:51:18 +0100 References: <004701bd3795$2c9a33c0$0300000a@portaben> X-NewsSoftware: GRn 2.1 Feb 19, 1994 Organization: The Back Burner BBS Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 3c6ddee7a50bee6011ca375c948d4540 In article <004701bd3795$2c9a33c0$0300000a@portaben> "Ben Fuller" writes: > As the third-party engineering liason, I would have loved to have been able > to put > together a devkit for Studio16. It would have been really cool to be able > to use > Studio16 with other sound cards... with the flyer... with the PAR... > > There just wasn't enough time. > > Ben. Ben is right. The 3.x development cycle went longer than planned as it was. A lot of stuff got into Studio 16 that wasn't necessarily supposed to be there, but we can be thankful for it now. The development team did an incredible job of stuffing more features and capabilities into 3.x than was reasonable in that amount of time. :^) Best Regards, -Jamie --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From jkrutz@meta.burner.com Thu, 12 Feb 98 11:35:10 MST X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1749 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1767 (database) From: Jamie Krutz To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16: Broadcaster Date: Thu, 12 Feb 98 19:35:00 Message-ID: <9802121835.AA014co@meta.burner.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id UAA14232for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 20:52:23 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA01650for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 21:51:13 +0100 References: X-NewsSoftware: GRn 2.1 Feb 19, 1994 Organization: The Back Burner BBS Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: feffef920f3a6794c141743ff5baf1be In article greenboy writes: > Brian Fields=A0,=A011-Feb-98: > >The Broadcaster Elite was frought with many problems that the company wa= > s > >not quick to respond to and required the user to "divine" his way throug= > h > >the myriad of difficulties. The BE board itself was way ahead of its tim= > e > >and consequently couldn't seem to get enough throughput with only SCSI2 = > > > Yeah, it was a great concept, and it was more open-ended than the Toaster= > of > its time. But I was put off when I saw the state of the documentation. That's why I was brought in. The original documentation, what little there was, really sucked. I did a really quick "get something out the door" manual that was printed, and then methodically created a really nice manual. But that final manual was never printed due (I think) to the financial state of the company at the time. Eventually someone at AM made it into an AmigaGuide online document. > NewTek has always had good, maybe great, manuals. NewTek has shipped their share of incomplete and insufficient documentation. I was a beta tester of the Toaster starting at version ".9". The early manuals were sketchy at best. LightWave didn't get a decent manual until 5.0, IMHO. 5.5's is even better. > And they periodically s= > alt > the marketplace with developer docs and incentive programs. NewTek's developer support has been both good and bad. But they have tried to include other developers as part of their overall process. We (at Questar Productions) have enjoyed working with them. > That throughput thing was a problem in the Flyer's early history too. > > I kept hoping as I talked to both companies that the Sunrize board would = > be > the audio solution for each non-linear editor. It almost was. There were talks between SunRize and both companies. SunRize took an active role with Applied Magic for a while, and that's why the 2.x libraries work. > >As with many Amiga products the Amiga US bankruptcy took the wind out of= > > >the intentioned profits and ongoing dreams with this great board as well= > > >as I'm sure the Sunrize boards. Applied Magic had their own problems as well. They then gambled on the PowerPC as an open system and that went about as well as the Amiga. They have lived through all of that and now they develop for NT. Their new products are the OnStage 29 bit audio card and the upcoming OnScene wavelet-based video editing card. The OnScene has a PPC chip on the card to allow real time dissolves, so their PPC experience counts for something. Specs on both cards look exceptional. Best Regards, -Jamie --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From jkrutz@meta.burner.com Thu, 12 Feb 98 11:59:14 MST X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1742 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1768 (database) From: Jamie Krutz To: studio16 Subject: Re: S16: GUI Ducking Date: Thu, 12 Feb 98 19:59:00 Message-ID: <9802121859.AA014d3@meta.burner.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id UAA14240for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 20:52:28 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA01660for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 21:51:27 +0100 References: X-NewsSoftware: GRn 2.1 Feb 19, 1994 Organization: The Back Burner BBS Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 8b1c49461973972fac5959ebeecb1f8c In article greenboy writes: > Jamie Krutz=A0,=A011-Feb-98: > I have little patience for either pirates or malingerers. 8D Pirates are leeches. Malingering is OK as long as folks don't whine later about lost opportunities. :^) I've always malingered long enough to carefully evaluate what it is I really need and which tools are heading that way. Then I jump in with both feet flying and never look back. My commitment to the tools I use has often resulted in getting involved in beta testing, design consulting and manual writing. Before I started getting involved on that level I wrote articles and reviews for a variety of magazines. There's room in this world to make a difference. I am delighted to see this mailing list full of people making a difference right now with Studio 16/AD516, even after SunRize is gone! > >Helm was looking promising but not quite up to CanDo when I last looked > >into it. I don't know if it has undergone further development or not. In= > > >some ways it looked like it could eventually be better than CanDo. (munch) > Helm is actually fantastic at this stuff, no > run-time module needed either. Comparing GEnie Viewport mags made in Helm= > vs > ones made in CanDo, the Helm ones were easier to install, and cleaner. Cool. Well perhaps Helm would be worth considering for a quick GUI. Best Regards, -Jamie --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From jkrutz@meta.burner.com Thu, 12 Feb 98 11:50:07 MST X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1739 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1769 (database) From: Jamie Krutz To: studio16 Subject: Re: Compendium Ms. Found In A Bottle Date: Thu, 12 Feb 98 19:50:00 Message-ID: <9802121850.AA014cy@meta.burner.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id UAA14245for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 20:52:31 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA01659for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 21:51:25 +0100 References: <002a01bd3748$37a25380$0300000a@portaben> X-NewsSoftware: GRn 2.1 Feb 19, 1994 Organization: The Back Burner BBS Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 06b26f194595e2b1766d23a3afc019f1 In article <002a01bd3748$37a25380$0300000a@portaben> "Ben Fuller" writes: > greenboy recently wrote: > >>>AD516 version 2.0 libraries are the ones supported for the Broadcaster > >>>and the version 3.0 libraries are not. > > >>Applied Magic was never able to get the developer docs on the 3.0 > >>libraries. They tried. > > Developer documentation for Studio 16 release 3.0 does not exist. Besides, > if I remember correctly, SunRize was gone before Applied Magic "appeared"... Since I worked for both companies as a contractor, I'll pass along what I saw at the time. Applied Magic and SunRize were both around simultaneously. I don't know which company was formed first. Like other companies with new wiz-bang video hardware at that time, AM showed their video hardware long before they shipped anything. I saw it at several shows, including an NAB probably a year before the Broadcaster shipped. When the Broadcaster was a working product, Anthony flew down to San Diego at one point to help AM with AD516 support. This helped result in the Broadcaster working with the 2.x libraries. AFAIK problems developed between the two companies that resulted in AM designing their own audio hardware, and SunRize being less interested in helping them support the newer libraries for the AD516. SunRize was already more than busy getting Studio 16 3.x out the door and Ben was a big part of the success of 3.x. Best Regards, -Jamie --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From dhomas@youngmonkey.ca Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:24:22 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1767 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1770 (database) From: dhomas trenn To: Jamie Krutz Subject: AmigaGuide Documentation for Studio16??? Date: Thu, 12 Feb 98 23:24:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA15006for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 21:25:39 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA02129for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 22:24:08 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: young monkey studios MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 51cae3ec2ad7ed1b36659bdcb8f1523c Jamie spoke and whirled like a Dervish divine: > and then methodically created a really nice manual. But that final > manual > was never printed due (I think) to the financial state of the company > at the time. Eventually someone at AM made it into an AmigaGuide > online document. And is this available anywhere? I could think of a few people who'ld like to have it. -- dhomas. ********************************************************************** * * * young monkey studios EMail: dhomas@youngmonkey.ca * * ---------------- WWW: http://www.youngmonkey.ca/ * * dhomas trenn * * Snail: 797 Mitchell Street * * Fredericton, NB * * Phone: (506) 459-7088 CANADA E3B 3S8 * * * ********************************************************************** --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From beachler@iastate.edu Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:46:23 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1767 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1771 (database) From: Rich Beachler To: studio16 Subject: Re: AmigaGuide Documentation for Studio16??? Date: Thu, 12 Feb 98 22:46:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA15483for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 21:45:10 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA02389for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 22:43:59 +0100 X-Sender: beachler@pop-2.iastate.edu References: <9802121835.AA014co@meta.burner.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 6f04760e3117adc52e158a1a8e55cb8c >Jamie spoke and whirled like a Dervish divine: > >> and then methodically created a really nice manual. But that final >> manual >> was never printed due (I think) to the financial state of the company >> at the time. Eventually someone at AM made it into an AmigaGuide >> online document. > >And is this available anywhere? I could think of a few people who'ld >like to have it. Ooops.. I believe Jamie was refering to a Broadcaster manual here. --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From benfuller@msn.com Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:51:04 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1772 (database) From: Ben Fuller To: studio16 Subject: Re: Compendium Ms. Found In A Bottle Date: Thu, 12 Feb 98 22:51:00 Message-ID: <00aa01bd3800$9c3de760$d041a8c0@ben200.macromedia.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA15652for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 21:52:50 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA02467for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 22:51:52 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 5feadb720beccb715cdec11a66aa0ab4 Jamie recently wrote: >Applied Magic and SunRize were both around simultaneously. >I don't know which company was formed first. The predecessor to Applied Magic (DMI) was around at the same time as SunRize. >When the Broadcaster was a working product, Anthony flew down to >San Diego at one point to help AM with AD516 support. This helped >result in the Broadcaster working with the 2.x libraries. As third party engineering liason, I went along with Anthony to visit DMI... We went specifically to help them analyze a problem they were having interfacing with the AD516. We discovered a design flaw with the DMI hardware, and were placed in the uncomfortable position of having to tell DMI that their design wouldn't work well enough to stream both audio and video reliably. Before the trip, we put together some API code that could interface to the 3.0 way of doing things, but since the DMI problems went beyond the scope of interfacing with the AD516, we decided not to give DMI those APIs. Ben. --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@bigsky.net Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:38:10 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1773 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: [S16] Jammin' at the M-List Date: Thu, 12 Feb 98 23:38:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id WAA16817for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 22:42:24 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA02745for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:39:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 2cf36e1442e450b7ff4ab7114fad3e93 Jamie ">" Krutz in converse with greenboy (>>): >>NewTek has always had good, maybe great, manuals. >NewTek has shipped their share of incomplete and insufficient docs Yeah, I was there at v.9 also. But compared to _many_ then and now, they got stuff out the door that didn't look like it came off the grade-school mimeo, and their books covered lots of ground in a painless fashion. Of course, you didn't write it, so I suppose it /could/ have been better 8^D) >LightWave didn't get a decent manual until 5.0, IMHO. 5.5's is even better. Cut some slack. They've helped sell tons of tutes for third parties. >>And they periodically salted the marketplace with developer docs and >>incentive programs. >NewTek's developer support has been both good and bad. But they have tried >to include other developers as part of their overall process. Yeah, they were back-and-forthy with dealers also. But _always_ they had something going besides the stonewall I came to know and love elsewhere. Dean Tucker really did some nice promos for Sunrize dealers, BTW. >>I kept hoping as I talked to both companies that the Sunrize board would >>be the audio solution for each non-linear editor. >It almost was. There were talks between SunRize and both companies. When >the Broadcaster was a working product, Anthony --snip-- problems developed >that resulted in AM designing their own audio hardware, and SunRize being CBM management never cared enough to do what Apple did: in conjunction with contributing developers declare and enforce standards. Therefore each developer was on its own, or making alliances that often failed due to percieved conflicts of interest. As the PC and Mac became more capable -- largely because of device independent drivers and other standards, the Amiga became more obviously crippled, and developers each off in their own corners. >> I have little patience for either pirates or malingerers. 8D >There's room in this world to make a difference. I am delighted to see >this mailing list full of people making a difference right now with Studio >16/AD516, even after SunRize is gone! So you see the bagel, and not the hole? My projects have always involved advocacy, trade-shows, user-groups, beta-testing, bugging developers, bugging distributors, etc. One of my current projects is to bug advertizers back into the pages of AMAZING by emailing and other forms of -- well, bugging! (See sig.) Then, well, then I'm gonna start in on former AMAZING /writers/ . . . Jamie . . . ;-]. >>>Helm was looking promising but not quite up to CanDo when I last looked >>Helm is actually fantastic at this stuff, no run-time module needed >>either. Comparing GEnie Viewport mags made in Helm vs ones made in CanDo, >>the Helm ones were easier to install, and cleaner. >Cool. Well perhaps Helm would be worth considering for a quick GUI. OK, when I say, "Ready, set, GO! . . ." -- *greenboy* NO AMIGA TO WASTE -- http://thunderstorms.org/NATW Friend of AMAZING Computing since Issue #1 // Team Let's get advertizers back in AMAZING \X/ AMIGA Restore it to its Former Glory --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From baff@mindspring.com Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:22:17 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1766 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1774 (database) From: Brian Fields To: Jamie Krutz Subject: Re: Compendium Ms. Found In A Bottle Date: Thu, 12 Feb 98 13:22:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id WAA17119for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 22:49:55 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA02820for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:47:39 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: dbb12111733efd3dde65e4e81d800b85 On 12-Feb-98, Jamie Krutz wrote: >Ben is right. The 3.x development cycle went longer than planned >as it was. A lot of stuff got into Studio 16 that wasn't necessarily >supposed to be there, but we can be thankful for it now. The >development team did an incredible job of stuffing more features >and capabilities into 3.x than was reasonable in that amount of >time. :^) Well I'm sure thanking y'all. And thanks for your dialog in this ML. >--- >*** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ -- Brian Fields baff@mindspring.com --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From baff@mindspring.com Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:01:52 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1761 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1775 (database) From: Brian Fields To: greenboy Subject: Re: S16: Morning Constitutional email Date: Thu, 12 Feb 98 13:01:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id WAA17138for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 22:50:08 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA02823for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:47:47 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 3119e507d7c5430b024396c7516aca40 On 12-Feb-98, greenboy wrote: >Brian Fields: >Well, just to play devil's advocate, most hardware stuff is incredibly cheap >on the other platforms. We get lucky in categories where we use the same >hardware. Also, much great software is cheaper than we tend to think (but >the premium packages make up for it). And by the time you've got everything >in a PC working together . . . >But creative people of different stripes rallied around the Mac or the Amiga >and it still seems to me that Amiga people are capable of getting more done >in more areas with stuff that is "dead" than most of their counterparts >elsewhere. I see this scenario repeated over and over also. >Hope that after using your SCSI network awhile you will share the pros and >cons. I think some synchronization issues will especially interest others >here. I'm not much of a programmer and my hardware projects are on a back burner right now, but I will indeed share my experience with anyone who's interested in this networking project. Should know by the middle of next week. >That is actually the way I felt when first seeing Studio16v3.01. What a tool >for AV work! Back in the Now: just fix and add a few things, mostly to cut >out intermediate steps, and WHAMMO! -- again, its clobbering time! Like QMaster maybe?? :) cya >--- >*** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ -- Brian baff@mindspring.com --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From baff@mindspring.com Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:19:42 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1767 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1776 (database) From: Brian Fields To: Jamie Krutz Subject: Re: S16: Broadcaster Date: Thu, 12 Feb 98 13:19:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id WAA17151for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 22:50:15 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA02824for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:47:50 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: c078fe24b3dd42ffefb8427a24556171 On 12-Feb-98, Jamie Krutz wrote: > writes: >> Brian Fields=A0,=A011-Feb-98: >> >The Broadcaster Elite was frought with many problems that the company was >> >not quick to respond to and required the user to "divine" his way through >> >the myriad of difficulties. The BE board itself was way ahead of its tim >> Yeah, it was a great concept, and it was more open-ended than the Toaster= >> of its time. But I was put off when I saw the state of the documentation. >That's why I was brought in. The original documentation, what little there >was, really sucked. >I did a really quick "get something out the door" manual that was printed, >and then methodically created a really nice manual. But that final manual >was never printed due (I think) to the financial state of the company >at the time. Eventually someone at AM made it into an AmigaGuide >online document. It's been essential for me to have it. Thanks Jamie. >>>As with many Amiga products the Amiga US bankruptcy took the wind out of >>>the intentioned profits and ongoing dreams with this great board as well >>>as I'm sure the Sunrize boards. >Applied Magic had their own problems as well. They then gambled on >the PowerPC as an open system and that went about as well as the >Amiga. They have lived through all of that and now they develop for NT. > --snip-- >on the card to allow real time dissolves, so their PPC experience counts for I'm about to hook it up to a Phase5 '060 PPC. Been hearing also great results with it. >--- >*** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ -- Brian Fields baff@mindspring.com --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@bigsky.net Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:04:40 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1777 (database) From: greenboy To: Ben Fuller Subject: [S16] Proud Parent Shares Secret Date: Fri, 13 Feb 98 00:04:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id XAA17683for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:07:55 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA03059for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 00:05:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 35cf0e8e0eb50f4dc726c3aa244b983d Ben Fuller: >As third party engineering liason, I went along with Anthony to visit DMI > --snip-- their design wouldn't work well enough to stream both audio and >video reliably. Before the trip, we put together some API code that could >interface to the 3.0 way of doing things, but since the DMI problems went >beyond the scope of interfacing with the AD516, we decided not to give DMI >those APIs. This is why the parent company of the platform needs to be involved with standards. It seems that at the start of each new mini-era in computing, one or more visionaries introduce fresh concepts and tools. The possibilities of the child they have fostered begin to ripple outward. At this point, others are examining the new child for flaws and potential. Soon perhaps they will spawn their version. The _proud_ platform parent does not ignore the potential for conflict. The parent sets down guidelines so that all the children have the opportunity to grow healthily. Bill "with pie" Gates uses slightly different methods to establish standards than the people in the Mac world. Still, you get the idea. -- *greenboy* NO AMIGA TO WASTE -- http://thunderstorms.org/NATW Friend of AMAZING Computing since Issue #1 // Team Let's get advertizers back in AMAZING \X/ AMIGA Restore it to its Former Glory --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@bigsky.net Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:11:41 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1778 (database) From: greenboy To: Brian Fields Subject: [S16] The Suggestion Box Is Open Date: Fri, 13 Feb 98 00:11:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id XAA17834for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:14:59 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA03118for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 00:12:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: c0653bf8732a0bf0cfee87acdc7f28c3 >>That is actually the way I felt when first seeing Studio16v3.01. What a >>tool for AV work! Back in the Now: just fix and add a few things, mostly >>to cut out intermediate steps, and WHAMMO! -- again, its clobbering time! Brian Fields: >Like QMaster maybe?? :) Oh yeah, ohhhh yeeeaaah. Keep stuffing that suggestion box, kids! -- *greenboy* NO AMIGA TO WASTE -- http://thunderstorms.org/NATW Friend of AMAZING Computing since Issue #1 // Team Let's get advertizers back in AMAZING \X/ AMIGA Restore it to its Former Glory --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From gmula@nwlink.com Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:49:25 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1762 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1780 (database) From: Gary Mula To: Kenny Nilsen Subject: Re: S16: QMaster WishList! Date: Fri, 13 Feb 98 01:49:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id AAA19603for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 00:50:54 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA03973for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 01:49:40 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: a1e8cb19f507dd47cb6282e74fd45807 On 12-Feb-98, Kenny Nilsen wrote: >>I would love to see some sort of mirroring ability as GreenBoy;) >I'm not sure if you mean Sample edits or Cuelist track edits here ? >to mirror tracks isn't a problem. The script can copy all entries >timecode >wise and then exchange for example the _L with _R in the sample >path/name >and set PAN accordingly. No problem, Can it duplicate regions? This piano track I referred to could be one 30min long sample, that in the end is 5 or 10 regions of that sample with crossfades. >or did you think of sample >clips/edits? this too although this is more intensive a process. It is much like the regions in the cuelist above, but contained within the non-destructive edits of the sample. For instance in the Editor you might copy some silent noise from the top of the sample and use it to replace the space between two passages of music that had some extraneous (I have always wondered where and how these were stored. They are not in the graph file because I have deleted them and still had my "Editor Regions" defined.) >>Destructive edits would be ignored. >Yup, when applying a desctructive edit you will remove (or copy) >sample data >on the physical file. With non-destuctive edits the clips are stored >as >pointers in the sample header. Earsing these will bring back your >orginal >file (Undo all for instance). >>Kenny, how about adding a SMPTE offset calculator. One that includes >>"plus" values (100ths of frames) as well as BPM. >Noted. You can do mathematically operations on SMPTE already. One of >the >tutor scripts I work on now shows how: >If you want to add: 01:23:45:12 (NTSC) to 00:02:45:07 you do this: > SmpteToSeconds "NTSC" "00:02:45:06" > number=result > SmpteToSeconds "NTSC" "01:23:45:12" > adder=result > SecondsToSMPTE "NTSC" number+adder > say result >>> 01:26:30:18 >The numbers can be asked via a string requester and video system can >be >autodetected (PAL/NTSC) or chosen by user. >I will support PLUS and BPM in a future version. >You can easily convert PAL to NTSC too and vica verca (while we're at >it): > SmpteToSeconds "PAL" "00:34:51:22" > SecondsToSMPTE "NTSC" result > say result >>> 00:34:51:26 >- Kenny >--- >*** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ >/info/ -- ------------------------------------------------------------ Gary Mula / /CALLEYE Productions/ / /The Dutchman/ Singer-Songwriter / Producer Seattle, Washington, USA Team *AMIGA* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From gmula@nwlink.com Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:02:54 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1781 (database) From: Gary Mula To: Studio16 List Subject: Re: S16: QMaster WishList! Date: Fri, 13 Feb 98 02:02:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id BAA19795for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 01:04:26 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA04071for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 02:03:14 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: cc02141523a36848ca168e48a28ee2c2 Sorry about my last post. It was incomplete due to my clicking the Send button instead of the Editor button. as I was saying... this too although this is more intensive a process. It is much like the regions in the cuelist above, but contained within the non-destructive edits of the sample. For instance in the Editor you might copy some silent noise from the top of the sample and use it to replace the space between two passages of music that had some extraneous interference. Most times I do this as a non-destructive edit. It achieves the same result as creating and moving regions in the cuelist but is more precise for detail work. >>Destructive edits would be ignored. >Yup, when applying a destructive edit you will remove (or copy) >sample data >on the physical file. With non-destuctive edits the clips are stored >as pointers in the sample header. I have always wondered where and how these were stored. Is the sample header a part of the sample file itself? >I will support PLUS and BPM in a future version. Cool! -- ------------------------------------------------------------ Gary Mula / /CALLEYE Productions/ / /The Dutchman/ Singer-Songwriter / Producer Seattle, Washington, USA Team *AMIGA* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From kenny@bgnett.no 13 Feb 98 01:39:23 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1765 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1782 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Jamie Krutz Subject: Re: S16: Daisy-chain Beyond the SneakerNet Date: Fri, 13 Feb 98 01:39:00 Message-ID: <157.348T1195T993232@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id BAA20184for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 01:26:13 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA04303for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 02:25:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 3866e26bd94527b9ba3774bf01b46ba7 Jamie Krutz wrote: >other reasons (did _anyone_ get 3.x libary development support from >SunRize?). The Scala EX plug-in supports 3.x directly. - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From masquith@erols.com 12 Feb 98 21:20:50 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1755 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1783 (database) From: Mike Masquith To: studio16 Subject: Re: Compendium Ms. Found In A Bottle Date: Thu, 12 Feb 98 17:20:01 Message-ID: <34E367B2.MD-0.198.masquith@erols.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id CAA21220for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 02:37:54 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA04783for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 03:36:04 +0100 Organization: Barkin' Beaver Studios Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS 0.198 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 7497dbed49c3c1354cd81628373f7d68 Ben Wrote: > When a spelunk through the source code didn't provide the information, > a question pointed at the appropriate engineer would usually result in > more than one would want to know... Wow, you could actually talk to your engineers and ask them questions? Oh, I forget, not all companies "design by comittee" in near solitude like the people I work for (Siemens). It really shows in some of our products. One module is almost totally different from the other, and getting a question answered takes forever. I guess when you work *together*, printed docs probably would be superfluous. > >I sense you feel various people are attacking Sunrize posthumously, > > > You would be sensing correctly. > > >when it's possible they are just trying to determine what can be done. > > > "What can be done" has very little to do with what kind of developer > support or documentation was or was not made available by SunRize. Whaaa? It has a lot to do with it. If there is clear documentation on how the hardware and software were engineered, it's a lot easier for someone to pick up where things were left off at. I think the point is that it's a whole lot simpler and quicker and less prone to mistakes to use documentation rather than reverse-engineering and guessing. > The executables for Studio16 fit onto two 880k floppies. Someone with > the proper skills who is truly interested in discovering all of the > information > neccessary to interface with the AD516 could do so in a matter of days -- > it is not very complicated. Anything is possible... Excellent! If it can be done without docs, then so be it. I am truly interested, but unfortunately am not close to having the proper skills. Hopefully someone reading this fills the bill? > > Ben. > > > > > > --- > *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ > -- -Mike Masquith, Barkin' Beaver Studios, VA, USA -A4000/060,CSMK1,CybSCSI Eagle Tower,VLM-Toccata,Ariadne -A3000/040,AD516,Ariadne,YamahaCDR101 --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From kenny@bgnett.no 13 Feb 98 12:03:07 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1780 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1787 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Gary Mula Subject: Re: S16: QMaster WishList! Date: Fri, 13 Feb 98 12:03:00 Message-ID: <3275.348T364T7232585@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id LAA08802for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 11:07:25 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA08260for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 12:06:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 39195646921f906350195cefe51ca9b6 Gary Mula wrote: >Can it duplicate regions? Sure, regions are basically just preset crops-in/out and they can be copied as well. To copy an entry to f.ex. another track just do: GetEntry FileID TrackA Entry ENTRYSTEM SetEntry FileID TrackB ENTRYSTEM (where FileID, TrackA/B and Entry are preinitialized) This will copy all data from an entry to another entry including pan, volume, cropin/out, fadein/out, fadetypes, startposition, endposititon etc. You can change Pan, volume etc. inbetween the two comands simply by altering those fields only: ENTRYSTEM.PAN=newpanvalue ENTRYSTEM.VOLUME.newvolumevalue ENTRYSTEM.CROPIN=newcropinvalue [...] And then SetEntry. >I have always wondered where and how these were stored. >Is the sample header a part of the sample file itself? Yes, a sample file is built like this: [ID = "KWK3"] [SampleInfo - filter,freq,vol,pan,smpte,float][realsize,editsize] [EditClips x 128 (table of start/stop-1 entries) ] [Regions x 32 (table of name, SampleInfo) ] - [Sample data itself] SampleInfo contains the most important info on the sample. A file always contains one SampleClip (describing the whole file). The regions are seperate SampleInfo chunks which can contain its own settings for volume, pan, smpte, frequency etc. and is recogniced by the region name. The Regions only contains cropin/out, not any sampleclips. In future version of QMaster it will allow you to handle regions in samplefiles so you can f.ex. search a directory for a region name to put in the cuelist file etc. The editsize in the main SampleClip is the sum of all the EditClips while realsize reflects the actual size of the in sampleframes (file/2-header). Studio 16 has own seek(), read() and write() functions to handle the sampleclips so that if you seek to a certain position in the file the function will make sure it is relative to the sampleclips and not the real position. When one use the Make Permanent function it will copy all sample- data ranges defined by the SampleClips table to a new temp file, delete the old and rename the temp file back to the original name. It's a quite simple process, but very clever (often the simpliest things in life are the best things :) An example table (not realistic numbers here): Start: 120 Stop: 500 ( 501-1) Start: 600 Stop: 1012 (1013-1) Realsize is 1012 and you made a cut in position 0-120 and 500-600 which you can see by the table. If you then Make permanent the file it will copy the data 120->500 + 600->1012 which make the new filesize 792 (pluss header). The numbers reflect number of sampleframes. So, basically, you can undo any of the edits you like by simply delete a SampleClip entry (start/stop). You can also copy the list onto another file of the same length if you for instance want to map edits from left channel to right channel if you only did edits on one of the files (of some reason). With arexx you can also extend for example numbers of regions by putting them in a seperate file and then use this file to put on entry on a cuelist via QMaster. Probably not a very usuful thing to do, but its just to show that you are not limited anymore. - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From goodidea@aye.net Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:02:31 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1767 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1788 (database) From: GOOD IDEA! To: Jamie Krutz Subject: Re: S16: Broadcaster Date: Fri, 13 Feb 98 16:02:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id PAA16375for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 15:06:52 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA09963for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 16:05:39 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 146875d99bbb9f118f6475c8775704b8 On 12-Feb-98, Jamie Krutz wrote: >Applied Magic had their own problems as well. They then gambled on >the PowerPC as an open system and that went about as well as the >Amiga. They have lived through all of that and now they develop for NT. >Their new products are the OnStage 29 bit audio card and the upcoming >OnScene wavelet-based video editing card. The OnScene has a PPC chip >on the card to allow real time dissolves, so their PPC experience counts for >something. Specs on both cards look exceptional. > >Best Regards, > -Jamie Yeah, the sound card is PCI and was just favorably reviewed in Videography magazine. -- Mark Needham GOOD IDEA! goodidea@aye.net Graphic design Photography Illustration Video Architecture Advertising Multi-media --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From goodidea@aye.net Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:10:12 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1769 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1789 (database) From: GOOD IDEA! To: Jamie Krutz Subject: Re: Compendium Ms. Found In A Bottle Date: Fri, 13 Feb 98 16:10:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id PAA16533for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 15:14:29 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA10072for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 16:13:22 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 1716e5a326b42da1ce6d923e8e313160 On 12-Feb-98, Jamie Krutz wrote: >AFAIK problems developed between the two companies that resulted >in AM designing their own audio hardware, and SunRize being less >interested in helping them support the newer libraries for the AD516. >SunRize was already more than busy getting Studio 16 3.x out the door >and Ben was a big part of the success of 3.x. >Best Regards, > -Jamie Right, they have the Sound Stage Pro which I have. Its processor acts as a coprocessor to the Elite to speed video transition renderings, it has 4 channel balanced IO, plus it has 8 megs of on board memory, so it somewhat surpasses AD516's capabilities. The software is by Maurizio. It utilizes Studio 16's format, so all samples are compatible with S16. -- Mark Needham GOOD IDEA! goodidea@aye.net Graphic design Photography Illustration Video Architecture Advertising Multi-media --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From doncox@enterprise.net Fri, 13 Feb 1998 01:03:42 -0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1773 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1790 (database) From: Don Cox To: greenboy Subject: Re: [S16] Jammin' at the M-List Date: Fri, 13 Feb 98 02:03:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA20398for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 17:41:51 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA11302for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 18:40:15 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 29a5ca9431ea24384214f25061388405 On 12-Feb-98, greenboy wrote: >So you see the bagel, and not the hole? My projects have always involved >advocacy, trade-shows, user-groups, beta-testing, bugging developers, >bugging distributors, etc. One of my current projects is to bug advertizers >back into the pages of AMAZING by emailing and other forms of -- well, >bugging! (See sig.) Then, well, then I'm gonna start in on former AMAZING >/writers/ . . . Jamie . . . ;-]. I sent an article about ARexx programming to Amazing a couple of years ago and didn't even get an acknowledgement. However, I am a faithful reader, even when it is almost 100% Shamms Mortier. Give it a month or two, then start stirring them up to buy BoXeRs. -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@bigsky.net Fri, 13 Feb 1998 11:22:51 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1791 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: S16: Jammin' at the M-List, side2 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 98 19:22:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA21594for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 18:27:39 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA11642for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 19:26:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: e96026a85b34770726d2c3b1640773c4 On 12-Feb-98, greenboy (that's me!) wrote: >>One of my current projects is to bug advertizers back into the pages of >>AMAZING by emailing and other forms of -- well, bugging! (See sig.) Then-- >>well-- then, I'm gonna start in on /writers/ Don Cox , 12-Feb-98: >I sent an article about ARexx programming to Amazing a couple of years ago >and didn't even get an acknowledgement. However, I am a faithful reader, >even when it is almost 100% Shamms Mortier. I get the feeling that the staff is all too busy. But AMAZING really needs other writers, subject material, and especially product reviews. The reader wants the information, and so does the advertizer. While the product is *fresh*. >Give it a month or two, then start stirring them up to buy BoXeRs. Yeah, so many of us lost our shorts in the Amiga marketplace . . . [^% See ya, Don! -- *greenboy* NO AMIGA TO WASTE -- http://thunderstorms.org/NATW Friend of AMAZING Computing since Issue #1 // Team Let's get advertizers back in AMAZING \X/ AMIGA Restore it to its Former Glory --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From gmula@nwlink.com Sat, 14 Feb 1998 04:02:57 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1787 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1794 (database) From: Gary Mula To: Kenny Nilsen Subject: The Full Monty! QMaster!!! Date: Sat, 14 Feb 98 13:02:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id MAA09356for ; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 12:04:53 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA19116for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 13:03:25 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 7f79d058906c21158df5cbd0e39f451a On 13-Feb-98, Kenny Nilsen wrote: Kenny Nilsen wrote: >Yes, a sample file is built like this: Wo...!!! In one post you gave me a world of insight. This is sooo cool. It all makes sense now, very logical, and once again I see the beauty of Sunrizes programming. Obviously there is tremendous power in QMaster as the genie is let out of the lamp and made to do our bidding. Now I KNOW you have something that every Studio16 owner must have, without a doubt. I'm sorry I haven't had very much follow through on some of these discussions. Just too much going on at the same time for me. These added abilities though compel me to get busy experimenting. Thanks Kenny -- ------------------------------------------------------------ Gary Mula / /CALLEYE Productions/ / /The Dutchman/ Singer-Songwriter / Producer Seattle, Washington, USA Team *AMIGA* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From jkrutz@meta.burner.com Sun, 15 Feb 98 19:23:27 MST X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1771 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1797 (database) From: Jamie Krutz To: studio16 Subject: Re: AmigaGuide Documentation for Studio16??? Date: Mon, 16 Feb 98 03:23:00 Message-ID: <9802160223.AA014ei@meta.burner.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id IAA05978for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 08:52:31 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA08251for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:51:12 +0100 References: X-NewsSoftware: GRn 2.1 Feb 19, 1994 Organization: The Back Burner BBS Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 56520a8d2600b486664340dd2cf1153c In article Rich Beachler writes: > >Jamie spoke and whirled like a Dervish divine: > >> and then methodically created a really nice manual. But that final > >> manual > >> was never printed due (I think) to the financial state of the company > >> at the time. Eventually someone at AM made it into an AmigaGuide > >> online document. > > > >And is this available anywhere? I could think of a few people who'ld > >like to have it. > > Ooops.. I believe Jamie was refering to a Broadcaster manual here. That's correct. Best Regards, -Jamie --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From jkrutz@meta.burner.com Sun, 15 Feb 98 19:39:53 MST X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1772 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1798 (database) From: Jamie Krutz To: studio16 Subject: Re: Compendium Ms. Found In A Bottle Date: Mon, 16 Feb 98 03:39:01 Message-ID: <9802160239.AA014en@meta.burner.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id IAA05979for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 08:52:31 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA08255for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:51:21 +0100 References: <00aa01bd3800$9c3de760$d041a8c0@ben200.macromedia.com> X-NewsSoftware: GRn 2.1 Feb 19, 1994 Organization: The Back Burner BBS Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 0f35a591fe1ff242923764e173ff0004 In article <00aa01bd3800$9c3de760$d041a8c0@ben200.macromedia.com> "Ben Fuller" writes: > Jamie recently wrote: > >Applied Magic and SunRize were both around simultaneously. > >I don't know which company was formed first. > > The predecessor to Applied Magic (DMI) was around at the > same time as SunRize. You're right, Ben. I spaced the name change. DMI became AM. Same folks, minus one business partner. > >When the Broadcaster was a working product, Anthony flew down to > >San Diego at one point to help AM with AD516 support. This helped > >result in the Broadcaster working with the 2.x libraries. > > As third party engineering liason, I went along with Anthony to visit > DMI... We went specifically to help them analyze a problem they > were having interfacing with the AD516. We discovered a design > flaw with the DMI hardware, and were placed in the uncomfortable > position of having to tell DMI that their design wouldn't work well > enough to stream both audio and video reliably. They must have fixed the problem at some point. I have a Broadcaster here that does play back simultaneously with the AD516 running from Producer's timeline. I've gone as far as running Bars & Pipes with Studio 16, syncing to the SMPTE output from the Broadcaster. Simultanous MIDI, digital audio and digital video on a single A3000T-040. > Before the trip, > we put together some API code that could interface to the 3.0 way > of doing things, but since the DMI problems went beyond the scope > of interfacing with the AD516, we decided not to give DMI those > APIs. Oh well. Thanks for filling in some of the details. Best Regards, -Jamie --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@bigsky.net Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:28:14 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1801 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: S16> AHI freq (fwd) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 98 20:28:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id TAA14840for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 19:33:35 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA00926for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:30:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: db2057f8e899c46a706fc696af17e996 *Forward from Picasso ML*, originally Kim-Henrik Petersen : How come the ahi.device only uses uncompetible frequenzies like 44194 hz instead of 44100 hz and so on? It is very annoying when i want to make a mp3 or write sound to a cd :(( W.K.R. ShAkY ThE GrEaT -- *greenboy* NO AMIGA TO WASTE -- http://thunderstorms.org/NATW Friend of AMAZING Computing since Issue #1 // Team Let's get advertizers back in AMAZING \X/ AMIGA Restore it to its Former Glory --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From gclink@dryden.net Wed, 18 Feb 1998 15:28:01 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1802 (database) From: Gord Clink To: 'studio16@thule.no' Subject: channel playback Date: Wed, 18 Feb 98 22:28:00 Message-ID: <01BD3C81.D3C9AFE0@gclink.avenor.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA17897for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 21:29:12 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA02297for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:28:40 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: bastionhost.avenor.com: Host [10.100.240.153] claimed to be gclink.avenor.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id WAA02294 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 8e9bd575493cee6455e7a6364583edf8 I changed my DMA mask and MAXtrans value settings for my A3000 w/SCSI drives, since my drive was origionally in a 2000 and the values were wrong. I was assuming this was causing my being able to only playback 3 tracks with a 256kb cache. But even with the settings right, I can still only playback 3 tracks, 5 if I set my cache to 1024k. Do I have to reformat my drive in-order for the DMA settings to take effect? Or what! Gord Clink --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From kenny@bgnett.no 19 Feb 98 03:09:08 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1805 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: All Subject: ANNOUNCE: CROPS2REGIONS UPDATE Date: Thu, 19 Feb 98 03:09:00 Message-ID: <835.354T444T1892121@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id CAA26610for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 02:12:04 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA04484for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 03:11:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no Short: Crops in cuelist to regions in samples Uploader: kenny@bgnett.no Author: kenny@bgnett.no Type: mus/misc Requires: Studio 16 Cuelist files Version: 1.2ß X-UIDL: e2c1155265dd1da317b0316bda6f1740 mailto:kenny@bgnett.no $VER: Crops2Regions 1.2ß (19.02.98) Copyright (C) 1998 by Digital Surface/Kenneth "Kenny" Nilsen. All rights reserved. This tool will parse a Studio 16 Cuelist file and convert the crops defined for the sample entries to regions for the samplefile itself. After this you can load the sample and trim it there and update the region. If several crops are defined for one sample they will be added with a numbered suffix. USAGE: Crops2Regions [options] -a = ask before updating file -v = verbose -t = test mode (no updating of sampleheaders) - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From kenny@bgnett.no 19 Feb 98 03:08:28 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1806 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: All Subject: ANNOUNCE: QMASTER 1.2 UPDATE Date: Thu, 19 Feb 98 03:08:00 Message-ID: <4810.354T1449T1883666@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id CAA26611for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 02:12:04 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA04483for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 03:11:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no Short: Studio 16 add-on, handle cuelist files Uploader: kenny@bgnett.no Author: kenny@bgnett.no Type: mus/misc Requires: MC68020+, OS2.04+ Version: 1.2 DEMO X-UIDL: f87e99823c1af0da1478acf93af8a479 *** NEWS - New comand added: Cards - list cards installed - New comand added: ListDir - read a directory with pattern matching - A couple of enhancements in the CMX arexx script - A couple of minor fixes (binary/scripts) TITLE QMaster (for Studio 16) VERSION 1.2 DEMO AUTHOR Kenneth Chr. Nilsen/Digital Surface mailto:kenny@bgnett.no DESCRIPTION QMaster is an ARexx host which offer comands that can be accessed from arexx scripts. QMaster provides comands to handle every aspect of Studio 16's Cuelist files giving the arexx programmer full control and making life much easier for the user. The comands allow you to alter cuelist entries, tracks, preferences, remove, add, adjust, swap, copy entries and tracks, convert files to and from other formats, and in conjunction with other arexx hosts you can do automated processes, on-air organizing, connect with other programs such as video- and musicediting software, databases, networks, multimedia packages and so on, to influence the cuelist files and more. You don't have to be familar with arexx programming to take advantage of what QMaster can offer. QMaster comes with several arexx scripts that you can use just by double clicking their icons or by starting them from cli/shell. More scripts will come in the future. FEATURES QMaster provide more than 40 comands to handle Cuelists, convert times, provide requesters, information, resource tracking and more. With QMASTER you can: - create cuelist files from scratch - read/edit existing cuelist files - read/add/remove/cut/swap and alter tracks (Audio/AREXX) - read/add/remove and alter entries (Audio/AREXX) - read/alter and set preferences - load (add) and save track (TRAX) files - copy and paste tracks - do statistic operations - interface directly with the Amiga's global vars (SetEnv/GetEnv) - add progressbars to your scripts - add informal requesters to your scripts - add file- and directory requesters to your scripts - add string requesters to your scripts - convert between SMPTE (PAL/NTSC) and seconds - optionally auto detect video system (PAL/NTSC) - define 500.000 entries (100 tracks with 5000 entries on each) - get online help - invoke RESOURCE TRACKING if needed at any time and more... QMaster is written in assembler to achieve optimal speed in processing comands and content. QMaster has been through several weeks of betatesting and proves to be stable. The archive comes with several public domain arexx scripts which you can run from Workbench as well as from cli: AllToAny - sets all play/rec channels to "Any" AppendCuelists - merges two cuelist files horizontally w/ grouping CMXtoCUE - converts CMX EDL to Cuelist format opt. database CountCuelist - statistic info DumpCue - dumps info about all tracks/entries in cuelist FindEntry - search for an entry by keyword FixPaths - fixes entry paths if samples are moved on HD GroupEvents - search for keyword in events and group them ListEntries - dumps different entries used (one of each) MergeCuelists - same as Studio 16's built-in function with extras NameToCue - for fun, converts a string to cuelist 'letters' ReplaceEntries - search by keyword and select new from requester SampleTime - shows SMPTE time in PAL/NTSC (AUTO) for a sample StereoJukebox - puts samples in a dir after one eachother on cue StripEmpty - removes empty tracks from a cuelist file TestVideo - test script to auto detect video system You can also find tutorial scripts that show how to use some of the comands in QMaster. SPECIAL REQUIREMENTS - QMaster require MC68020 or better. - QMaster require OS 2.04 or better (developed on 3.1) AVAILABILITY Demo version is available from Aminet in mus/misc. Registred version is only available directly from author. PRICE QMaster is shareware. Read doc file for current prices. The DEMO version is crippled (clips at 4 tracks and 15 entries/track when saving and contains a nerve requester). Support of QMaster will support further development for Studio 16 add-ons. DISTRIBUTABILITY Freely distributable as SHAREWARE. STUDIO 16 MAILINGLIST If you would like to join the Studio 16 mailinglist you may write an mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type in body text: 'subscribe studio16 ' without ' and <>. No subject is needed. After confimation use the address studio16@thule.no. - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From kenny@bgnett.no 19 Feb 98 04:23:50 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1805 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1809 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Kenny Nilsen Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: CROPS2REGIONS UPDATE Date: Thu, 19 Feb 98 04:23:01 Message-ID: <234.354T2536T2634881@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id DAA28117for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 03:29:14 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA05007for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 04:28:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: d4f26348d30bc48c18bd97031df98628 Kenny Nilsen wrote: >mailto:kenny@bgnett.no >$VER: Crops2Regions 1.2ß (19.02.98) Looks like the header of the text went to the header of the email header instead of staying in the bodytext. Pull down header to see content. - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From kenny@bgnett.no 19 Feb 98 04:26:46 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1810 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: All Subject: CMX 1.3 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 98 04:26:00 Message-ID: <7382.354T2300T2664565@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id DAA28118for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 03:29:14 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA05009for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 04:28:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 5490e82ddcccbd63bdb87b3165ffaf66 Didn't make it in the distribution archive so here it is. Requires QMaster: --- /* $VER: CMXtoCUE.rexx 1.3 (16.02.98) Copyright © 1998 by Kenny Nilsen/Digital Surface USAGE: rx CMXtoCUE [ ] This script will convert a CMX edit list file into a Cuelist. It require QMASTER 1.2 or better. I have implemented a simple database search mechanism. It allow you to select one or more directories. I then build a list in t: with SMPTE code of sample and path/name. When building the CMX list it search for SrcIn in the sample list and puts the sample it find on RecIn in the resulting cuelist. If no samples are found it puts an empty entry (1 second) on the cuelist so you can pop in a sample later. The script is currently configured for NTSC, but by changing the video system name below you can configure it for PAL. You can also make it autodetect the video system. This is it from my part on the CMX list. I don't have access to FCM/CMX equipment so I am programming in the dark really. If you create a CMX converter script let me know. Note that all errors are trapped, therefor no error checking after comands. */ vsys="NTSC" /* change this to PAL if needed */ address command "LoadQM";if (rc~=0) then exit Options results Signal on error Signal on break_c Rate = 44100 /* frequency for samples */ MyID = 0 CMX = 0 p = 0 LF = '0a'x Parse Arg CMXN Cuefile Cuefile=strip(Cuefile) say Address "QMASTER" Version if substr(result,9,3)<1.2 then do say "Sorry! I need QMaster version 1.2 or better" exit;end if CMXN="" then do GetFile "'Please pick a CMX file:'" "ram:" CMXN=result GetFile "'Save Cuefile as:'" "Studio16_3:Cuelists" ".Cue" Cuefile=result end /* open CMX file and analyse it */ if ~open(cmx,cmxn,r) then do say "Couldn't open CMX file.." exit;end total = 0 /* for progress bar */ current = 0 do while(~eof(cmx)) tmp=readln(cmx) total=total+1 /* total number of lines */ end call seek(cmx,0,b) title=readln(cmx) if left(title,6)~="TITLE:" then do say "File is not a CMX file!" call close(cmx);exit;end fcm=readln(cmx) if fcm="" then do fcm=readln(cmx) if left(fcm,4)~="FCM:" then do say "File is not a CMX file!" call close(cmx);exit;end end if fcm="FCM: NON-DROP FRAME" then vsys="NTSC" if fcm="FCM: PAL" then vsys="PAL" /* have no idea if this last one is correct */ /* file passed all checks */ say title say fcm /* Create cuefile */ CreateCue "'"Cuefile"'" MyID=result TRACK.TRACKNAME="Audio 1" AddTrack MyID TRACK /* add audio track 1 */ TRACK.TRACKNAME="Audio 2" AddTrack MyID TRACK /* add audio track 2 */ TRACK.TRACKNAME="Video" TRACK.TRACKPREFS=0 AddTrack MyID TRACK /* add video track for visual */ call BuildDatabase CTrack = 1 /* current track */ zcount = 0 /* number of edits */ LastRL = 0 /* previous event number */ LStartPos = 0 EndEnd = 0 /* last position in list */ QStart = 600*60 /* start of cuelist for sorting */ InitProgress total-3 "'CMX to CUE converter'" p=result dbtxt.0="" dbtxt.1="no " say lf"Event Source IN Source OUT Record IN Record OUT SAMPLE ("dbtxt.skip"database)" say left("-",79,"-") do while(~eof(cmx)) current=current+1 UpdateProgress p current line=readln(cmx);if line="" then break event=value(left(line,3)) xname="";xname=subword(line,2,1) tracks=subword(line,3,1) type=subword(line,4,1) if datatype(event,n)=1 then do black = 0 aux = 0 video = 0 /* video channel */ audio.1 = 0 /* audio channels */ audio.2 = 0 if pos("AA",tracks)>0 then do;audio.1=1;audio.2=1;end if pos("A",tracks)>0 then audio.1=1 if pos("2",tracks)>0 then audio.2=1 if pos("V",tracks)>0 then video=1 if pos("B",tracks)>0 then video=1 if xname="BL" then black=1 /* special events */ if xname="AX" then aux=1 event=trunc(event) if type="C" then do /* CUT */ wtime=0 dtime=0 SrcIn=subword(line,5,1) SrcOut=subword(line,6,1) RecIn=subword(line,7,1) RecOut=subword(line,8,1) end if type="D" then do /* DISSOLVE */ wtime=0 dtime=trunc(value(subword(line,5,1))) /* dissolve time */ SrcIn=subword(line,6,1) SrcOut=subword(line,7,1) RecIn=subword(line,8,1) RecOut=subword(line,9,1) end if type="W" then do /* WIPE */ wtime=trunc(value(subword(line,5,1))) dtime=0 SrcIn=subword(line,6,1) SrcOut=subword(line,7,1) RecIn=subword(line,8,1) RecOut=subword(line,9,1) end SMPTEToSeconds vsys SrcIn /* convert SMPTE to seconds */ SSrcIn=result SMPTEToSeconds vsys SrcOut SSrcOut=result SMPTEToSeconds vsys RecIn SRecIn=result SMPTEToSeconds vsys RecOut SRecOut=result if event~=LastRL then zcount=zcount+1 /* do the convertion here */ if SRecIn EndEnd then EndEnd=SRecOut if LStartPos~=SRecIn then do drop ENTRY. ENTRY.NAME=GetDatabase(SrcIn) if length(Entry.name)>21 then say right(zcount+1,4)" "SrcIn" "SrcOut" "RecIn" "RecOut" "right(entry.name,21) else say right(zcount+1,4)" "SrcIn" "SrcOut" "RecIn" "RecOut" "entry.name ENTRY.ENTRYTYPE="AUDIO" ENTRY.STARTPOS=SRecIn ENTRY.ENDPOS=SRecOut ENTRY.CROPOUT=trunc((SRecOut-SRecIn)*rate) ENTRY.FADEINTIME=dtime+wtime if audio.1=1 then do ENTRY.PAN=0 ENTRY.VOLUME=3200 AddEntry MyID 1 ENTRY end if audio.1=1 then do ENTRY.PAN=6400 ENTRY.VOLUME=3200 AddEntry MyID 2 ENTRY end if video=1 then do ENTRY.PAN=3200 ENTRY.VOLUME=0 AddEntry MyID 3 ENTRY end LEnt=result LTrk=CTrack end LStartPos=SRecIn LastRL=event end end PREFS.TOTALLENGTH=trunc(EndEnd*100) PREFS.VIEWSIZE=trunc(EndEnd*100-QStart*100) PREFS.VIEWSTART=QStart*100 PREFS.STARTFLAG=QStart-7 SetPrefs MyID PREFS UpdateCue MyID CloseCue MyID CloseProgress p call close(cmx) say left("-",79,"-") exit Break_C: QMASTER.LASTERROR="USER BREAK" Error: say LF"*** Terminating ("RC"): "QMASTER.LASTERROR" ["SIGL"]"LF if MyID~=0 then CloseCue MyID if p~=0 then CloseProgress p if CMX~=0 then call close(cmx) exit BuildDatabase: datab=1 wmode='w' request "'CMX Database'" "'\nYou can now select a directory with Studio 16 samples.\n\nIt will extract the SMPTE time of the samples\nand build a database in memory using the SMPTE as\nSourceIn reference and set in Cuefile as RecIn->RecOut.\nA sample is only added to database if SMPTE is\ngreater than 00:00:00:00\n\nYou can add several directories to the database.\n'" "BUILD|Skip" skip=1 if result=1 then do skip=0 dbcount=0 do while(datab~=0) GetDir "'Select sampledir:'" dbpath=result ListDir dbpath"~(#?.graph|#?.info)" DIR signal off error do i=1 to dir.count if left(dir.i,1)="F" then do GetSamplePrefs "'"dbpath||right(dir.i,length(dir.i)-1)"'" SPREFS if (rc=0) & SPREFS.SMPTE~="00:00:00:00" then do dbcount=dbcount+1 dbdir.dbcount=SPREFS.SMPTE" "dbpath||right(dir.i,length(dir.i)-1) end end end signal on error request '"CMX database"' "'\nDo you want to add a new dir ?\n'" "Yes|No" datab=result end end return 0 GetDatabase: parse arg SourceI ename="" if skip=0 & dbcount~=0 then do do i=1 to dbcount if left(dbdir.i,11)=SourceI then do ename=right(dbdir.i,length(dbdir.i)-13) leave;end end end return ename --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From kenny@bgnett.no 19 Feb 98 07:02:03 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1812 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: All Subject: Topics Date: Thu, 19 Feb 98 07:02:00 Message-ID: <452.354T197T4222390@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id IAA04840for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 08:20:59 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA06950for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 09:20:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: a74d15be16611a4627321e884ed64f6b Is there any interrest for an QMaster arexx script that can convert Cuelist into "playlist" sheets for Final Writer ? I am thinking of listing entries with calculated time and reference to sample name. I guess it will only be useful for cuelists with longer entries and in conjunction with live/on-air kinda performance. Any viewpoints ? FYI: We are now 90 participants on this list (can we get to 100 ?? :).. but why are all so quiet ?.. - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@bigsky.net Thu, 19 Feb 1998 08:16:17 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1812 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1813 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: S16­Re: Topics Date: Thu, 19 Feb 98 16:16:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id PAA17406for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:40:23 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA09432for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:37:50 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id QAA09430 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 2645279725ff52e82effbe900b7eadc7 Kenny Nilsen , 18-Feb-98: >Is there any interrest for an QMaster arexx script that can convert Cuelist >into "playlist" sheets for Final Writer ? I am thinking of listing entries >with calculated time and reference to sample name. I guess it will only be >useful for cuelists with longer entries and in conjunction with live/on-air >kinda performance. Any viewpoints ? Actually for some instances it is possible that this would be useful for building shooting scripts. >FYI: We are now 90 participants on this list (can we get to 100 ?? :).. but >why are all so quiet ?.. Hopefully because everbody is playing with the new QMaster demo. Congrats! Any word from anyone on GUI design yet? -- *greenboy* NO AMIGA TO WASTE -- http://thunderstorms.org/NATW Friend of AMAZING Computing since Issue #1 // Team Let's get advertizers back in AMAZING \X/ AMIGA Restore it to its Former Glory --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From sag@cae.ca Thu, 19 Feb 1998 08:47:03 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1814 (database) From: Serge A Guilbert To: studio16 Subject: Topics -Reply Date: Thu, 19 Feb 98 14:47:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id QAA20262for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:39:09 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA10022for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:38:49 +0100 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 4ab36e97583b06d8c7061459c869b877 >>> "Kenny Nilsen" 19/02/98 01:02am >>> -->Is there any interrest for an QMaster arexx script that can convert Cuelist -->into "playlist" sheets for Final Writer ? I am thinking of listing entries That sounds interesting, Kenny. I use Wordworth, but I think it has a Final Writer converter (I think. I hope. I...dunno). Sounding off; Serge A. Guilbert, B.Eng CAE Electronics, Flight Simulators, Sound Group (514)341-6780 x4129 sag@cae.ca ________________________________________________________ A Wise Old Man Once Told Me: "Go Away!!!". And So, I Did ________________________________________________________ --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@bigsky.net Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:02:44 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1815 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: S16­QMaster possibilities Date: Thu, 19 Feb 98 20:02:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id TAA24576for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 19:06:18 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA11487for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 20:05:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: d1de2d305af5c3e9d1035a8e83e97df7 Kenny Nilsen : >>Is there any interest for a QMaster arexx script that can convert Cuelist >>into "playlist" sheets for Final Writer? Serge A Guilbert : >That sounds interesting, Kenny. I use Wordworth, but I think it has a Final >Writer converter (I think. I hope. I...dunno). Hey, Serge, long time no see type! I don't really remember what Wordsworth has, but FinalWriter can save and load RTF (rich text format). That is supposed to be a somewhat universal "deep" file format. So perhaps you have it. Or Pagestream -- also useful for some text conversion. -- *greenboy* NO AMIGA TO WASTE -- http://thunderstorms.org/NATW Friend of AMAZING Computing since Issue #1 // Team Let's get advertizers back in AMAZING \X/ AMIGA Restore it to its Former Glory --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From kenny@bgnett.no 20 Feb 98 01:17:47 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1813 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1818 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: greenboy Subject: Re: S16­Re: Topics Date: Fri, 20 Feb 98 01:17:00 Message-ID: <290.355T2394T773939@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id AAA03516for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:21:56 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA14717for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 01:21:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 609db9f934b90e3c9fad65ee603a94a2 greenboy wrote: >Actually for some instances it is possible that this would be useful for >building shooting scripts. Ok, I have some shootingscripts from when I worked for television I can use as 'layout' - if someone has suggestion on what to include in them just let me know. - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From kenny@bgnett.no 20 Feb 98 01:18:20 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1814 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1819 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Serge A Guilbert Subject: Re: Topics -Reply Date: Fri, 20 Feb 98 01:18:00 Message-ID: <169.355T1015T783100@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id AAA03525for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:21:59 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA14718for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 01:21:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: a935f50d1d51b15aa6a3443e7ccb02c6 Serge A Guilbert wrote: >That sounds interesting, Kenny. I use Wordworth, but I think it has a Final Wordworth.. was that on the last Aminet CD (20 or 21) ?? - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From kenny@bgnett.no 09 Feb 98 20:26:40 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1694 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1820 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: greenboy Subject: Re: S16: FastFileSystem? Date: Mon, 9 Feb 98 20:26:00 Message-ID: <516.344T2007T12263432@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id NAA21797for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 13:09:56 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA21047for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:08:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: dfddfa65e839e7d6a6b087beeeaed9fb greenboy wrote: >On Studio16 disk. Use version on it (c:version path/fastfilesystem FULL >FILE). If you can't find a newer one on Aminet or the Amiga International You're not guaranteed that this is the correct filesystem since the one you have in L: isn't neccessarly the one you have installed in the HD's RDB. Use: "c:version HD0:" or another DEVICE name to check filesystem. If the one on disk is newer that what the version of device returns you must use HDToolBox and the Update filesystem part. - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From jkrutz@meta.burner.com Mon, 9 Feb 98 07:48:22 MST X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1690 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1821 (database) From: Jamie Krutz To: studio16 Subject: Re: old 2000 Date: Mon, 9 Feb 98 15:48:00 Message-ID: <9802091448.AA01484@meta.burner.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id NAA22133for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 13:17:26 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA21127for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:17:18 +0100 References: X-NewsSoftware: GRn 2.1 Feb 19, 1994 Organization: The Back Burner BBS Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: ddea4668b6912d8404ad691e0660a625 In article Bohus Blahut writes: > Perhaps it would be better to drop Studio 16 into an old 3000 I have > here and pick up a used '040 for it. Seems like it would make for a good > dedicated audio machine. I'd recommend that route. The 3000's built-in flicker fixer will make working with Studio 16 much more pleasant. Best Regards, -Jamie --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@bigsky.net Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:44:44 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1822 (database) From: greenboy To: Kenny Nilsen Subject: Re: S16: FastFileSystem? Date: Fri, 20 Feb 98 17:44:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA29002for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:10:24 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA23093for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 18:09:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: aefdadff36185e929870b0a7d8346bff greenboy wrote, 08-Feb-98: >>On Studio16 disk. Use version on it (c:version path/fastfilesystem FULL >>FILE). If you can't find a newer one on Aminet or the Amiga International Kenny Nilsen , 09-Feb-98: >You're not guaranteed that this is the correct filesystem since the one you >have in L: isn't neccessarly the one you have installed in the HD's RDB. >Use: "c:version HD0:" If the one on disk is newer that what the version of >device returns you must use HDToolBox and the Update filesystem part. Very interesting. My email was sent on 08-Feb, yours the day after. I just got it today, 20-Feb. (So I had to go into my archives to see whether I had grounds for a hot-blooded retort or not ;) Here it is: My exerpt above came at the /end/  of a thread -- invoking VERSION with the DEVICE keyword and using HDToolbox had already been discussed. To cap it off, I was describing how to find the most recent FFS on disk or Aminet, the purpose being to update the RDBs. (wait eleven more days, read line below--) #So there!# [^% -- *greenboy* NO AMIGA TO WASTE -- http://thunderstorms.org/NATW Friend of AMAZING Computing since Issue #1 // Team Let's get advertizers back in AMAZING \X/ AMIGA Restore it to its Former Glory --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From kenny@bgnett.no 21 Feb 98 02:23:20 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1822 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1826 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: greenboy Subject: Re: S16: FastFileSystem? Date: Sat, 21 Feb 98 02:23:00 Message-ID: <327.356T1042T1432735@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id CAA11911for ; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 02:05:49 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA28047for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 03:05:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: bb32192bf5d98a1ec99ace1359f8d0e1 greenboy wrote: >>Use: "c:version HD0:" If the one on disk is newer that what the version of >Very interesting. My email was sent on 08-Feb, yours the day after. I just >got it today, 20-Feb. (So I had to go into my archives to see whether I Yes, I was surprised myself - 11 days is not bad for an email, or.. ?? :) - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From masquith@erols.com 22 Feb 98 10:46:08 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1821 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1827 (database) From: Mike Masquith To: studio16 Subject: Re: old 2000 Date: Sun, 22 Feb 98 06:46:00 Message-ID: <34F001F0.MD-0.198.masquith@erols.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id PAA29069for ; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 15:48:22 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA11558for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 16:46:43 +0100 Organization: Barkin' Beaver Studios Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS 0.198 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 2929f24d30fba352b716c3a71e8397fc > I'd recommend that route. The 3000's built-in flicker fixer will make > working with Studio 16 much more pleasant. I agree. I have an AD516 in a 3000 and use a 20" Toshiba Timm for the monitor. Very nice to work with. Using a fast (Seagate Barracuda) drive and a 68040 (3640 card)I can get 8 tracks out of Studio16 no problem. Just make sure the SCSI chip on the 3000 is a rev 8. For memory, I recommend an Ami-Fast... 16 megs using standard 72 pin SIMMS. You can pick up a 3000 very cheap. -- -Mike Masquith, Barkin' Beaver Studios, VA, USA -A4000/060,CSMK1,CybSCSI Eagle Tower,VLM-Toccata,Ariadne -A3000/040,AD516,Ariadne,YamahaCDR101 --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From gclink@dryden.net Mon, 23 Feb 1998 07:58:46 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1828 (database) From: Gord Clink To: 'studio16@thule.no' Subject: RE: old 2000 Date: Mon, 23 Feb 98 14:58:00 Message-ID: <01BD4030.E18C0620@gclink.avenor.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id OAA02260for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 14:03:10 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA22471for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 15:02:05 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: bastionhost.avenor.com: Host [10.100.240.153] claimed to be gclink.avenor.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 76337ec3cd06bd453f2326d2aaae6a95 Would not having the REV8 SCSI chip prevent me from playing back more tracks? I can only get 3-4 on my 3000 w 256kb buffers. Gord Clink ---------- From: Mike Masquith[SMTP:masquith@erols.com] Sent: Saturday, February 21, 1998 11:46 PM To: studio16@thule.no Subject: Re: old 2000 > I'd recommend that route. The 3000's built-in flicker fixer will make > working with Studio 16 much more pleasant. I agree. I have an AD516 in a 3000 and use a 20" Toshiba Timm for the monitor. Very nice to work with. Using a fast (Seagate Barracuda) drive and a 68040 (3640 card)I can get 8 tracks out of Studio16 no problem. Just make sure the SCSI chip on the 3000 is a rev 8. For memory, I recommend an Ami-Fast... 16 megs using standard 72 pin SIMMS. You can pick up a 3000 very cheap. -- -Mike Masquith, Barkin' Beaver Studios, VA, USA -A4000/060,CSMK1,CybSCSI Eagle Tower,VLM-Toccata,Ariadne -A3000/040,AD516,Ariadne,YamahaCDR101 --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From mikemcoo@efn.org Mon, 23 Feb 1998 10:04:45 -0800 (PST) X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1828 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1829 (database) From: Mike McCool To: 'studio16@thule.no' Subject: RE: old 2000 Date: Mon, 23 Feb 98 19:04:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA10248for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 17:59:02 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA24146for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 18:57:36 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: garcia.efn.org: mikemcoo owned process doing -bs MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: bbe55ae2031c6ae890f84a32b0f833d0 On Mon, 23 Feb 1998, Gord Clink wrote: > problem. Just make sure the SCSI chip on the 3000 is a rev 8. For > memory, I recommend an Ami-Fast... 16 megs using standard 72 pin Excuse the simple query of a newbie,--but what's "Ami-Fast?" I'd intrigued, as I'd LOVE to soup up my ole A3000 to more than 26megs or ram. Thanx, Mike McCool http://www.efn.org/~mikemcoo http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/lofts/9794 --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From jacob@iag.net Mon, 23 Feb 1998 13:35:00 EST5EDT4,M4.1.0 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1828 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1830 (database) From: Jacob Ellis To: Gord Clink Subject: RE: old 2000 Date: Mon, 23 Feb 98 19:35:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA11463for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 18:36:28 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA24426for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 19:36:27 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: fd573abca9842940de1f5bb5d6879254 On 23-Feb-98, Gord Clink wrote: >Would not having the REV8 SCSI chip prevent me from playing back more tracks? >I can only get 3-4 on my 3000 w 256kb buffers. No, but revision 8 SCSI prevents other problems. A slow CPU and slow hard drive would prevent you from playing back more tracks. You might try using more buffers. Studio16 should tell you what the problem is when you try to play more than 4 tracks and can't. Jacob -- jacob@iag.net --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@bigsky.net Mon, 23 Feb 1998 11:23:10 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1831 (database) From: greenboy To: S16 Crew Subject: {S16} AmiFast 3000 adapter Date: Mon, 23 Feb 98 19:23:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA12057for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 18:56:20 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA24597for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 19:56:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: c452700fb103266d730ce208d7145d63 Mike McCool , 23-Feb-98: >>For memory, I recommend an Ami-Fast... 16 megs using standard 72 pin >Excuse the simple query of a newbie,--but what's "Ami-Fast?" I'd >intrigued, as I'd LOVE to soup up my ole A3000 to more than 26megs or ram. AmiFast is an adapter that allows you to use simms instead of zips, for ram. But as it is still attached to the same memory space, no jump in addressable ram is possible there. Got to put in DKB's 3128 zorro3 memorycard, or replace the daughterboard with an accelerator that has direct ram space. -- *greenboy* NO AMIGA TO WASTE -- http://thunderstorms.org/NATW Friend of AMAZING Computing since Issue #1 // Team Let's get advertizers back in AMAZING \X/ AMIGA Restore it to its Former Glory --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From tc_silvey@juno.com Sun, 22 Feb 1998 15:22:17 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1830 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1832 (database) From: troy silvey To: studio16 Subject: Re: old 2000 (only 3-4 tracks) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 98 21:22:00 Message-ID: <19980222.152232.4054.5.tc_silvey@juno.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id UAA14439for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 20:19:52 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA25280for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 21:19:34 +0100 References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-9,11-20 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 6827ff1ad8a9e488d3d4930477e733fb >On 23-Feb-98, Gord Clink wrote: >Would not having the REV8 SCSI chip prevent me from playing back more >tracks? >I can only get 3-4 on my 3000 w 256kb buffers. I am still using the old SCSI chip. Though it causes some cold boot problems with my scsi drives, It doesn't harm me any other way. The HD does in a big way though. I started with an HP 500meg (maybe made by seagate) more than 5 tracks and it could usally cut off on me. I then got a used 1gig compaq (not sure who makes it) That one was terrible. 3-4 tracks max at one time. I then picked up a used 2gig western digital that plays all eight tracks and never complains. No other components changed curing these HD changes. I am running a 25mhz 040 with 24 meg of fast ram though. But even with all that, I could still only play 4 tracks max with the wrong drive in. You need a drive with fast access (10msec or better) and you need to get set up with big blocks. One of the drives I tried would not let me set big blocks at all. Other 2 drives did it with no complaints. good luck. troy _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@bigsky.net Tue, 24 Feb 1998 01:58:15 -0700 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1833 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: Re: {S16} AmiFast 3000 adapter Date: Tue, 24 Feb 98 09:58:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id JAA03940for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 09:28:47 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA01096for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 10:28:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.nogreenboy (that's me!): X-UIDL: 5fe74cb0c696be2f9f65086005ae79db >>AmiFast allows you to use simms instead of zips. It is still attached to >>the same memory space, no jump in addressable ram is possible there. Mike McCool : >'Fraid of that. I'm already running an 040 (fully populated with what I >guess are simms), and all my zorros are full. So, if you are using simms on the processor board, can't you use larger- capacity simms? Seems to me you mentioned an amount of ram that indicated 4-meg simms, but most boards that accept simms will allow up to four 32-meg simms for a total of 128-meg. -- *greenboy* NO AMIGA TO WASTE -- http://thunderstorms.org/NATW Friend of AMAZING Computing since Issue #1 // Team Let's get advertizers back in AMAZING \X/ AMIGA Restore it to its Former Glory --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From maurizio@ivg.it Tue, 24 Feb 1998 15:30:21 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1828 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1834 (database) From: Maurizio Ciccione To: Gord Clink Subject: RE: old 2000 Date: Tue, 24 Feb 98 15:30:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id PAA14934for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 15:21:08 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA03472for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 16:20:43 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.2 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 90fbaac40769f1dd8efc3652fd39c773 Gord, >Would not having the REV8 SCSI chip prevent me from playing >back more tracks? I can only get 3-4 on my 3000 w 256kb buffers. Did you try to work on a RAM: (or RAD:) based project (just to be sure your troubles don't come from some other segment of the signal path)? It's a common test we perform here to measure raw throughput of our DSP software, removing variables due to disks/controllers performances. All the best, dr. Maurizio Ciccione AudioLabs, Digital Audio Engineering --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From mikemcoo@efn.org Tue, 24 Feb 1998 09:14:39 -0800 (PST) X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1833 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1835 (database) From: Mike McCool To: Studio16 Crew Subject: Re: {S16} AmiFast 3000 adapter Date: Tue, 24 Feb 98 18:14:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA18383for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 17:08:51 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA04233for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 18:08:06 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: garcia.efn.org: mikemcoo owned process doing -bs MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 67f90c394fa773665ee5a6c4e9547835 On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, greenboy wrote: > So, if you are using simms on the processor board, can't you use larger- > capacity simms? Seems to me you mentioned an amount of ram that indicated > 4-meg simms, but most boards that accept simms will allow up to four 32-meg > simms for a total of 128-meg. That would be fab. But I've heard that GVP 040 boards take ONLY their own proprietary simms, and no one else's. I ain't confirmed this; only heard it. Perhaps someone else can pipe up and confirm or deny this? http://www.efn.org/~mikemcoo http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/lofts/9794 --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From bohus@xnet.com Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:22:20 -0600 (CST) X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1835 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1836 (database) From: Bohus Blahut To: Studio16 Crew Subject: Re: {S16} AmiFast 3000 adapter Date: Tue, 24 Feb 98 18:22:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA18831for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 17:24:40 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA04391for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 18:24:44 +0100 X-Sender: bohus@typhoon MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 07dd8622d6512ba91fc3632810423bd7 > > So, if you are using simms on the processor board, can't you use larger- > > capacity simms? Seems to me you mentioned an amount of ram that indicated > > 4-meg simms, but most boards that accept simms will allow up to four 32-meg > > simms for a total of 128-meg. > > That would be fab. But I've heard that GVP 040 boards take ONLY their own > proprietary simms, and no one else's. I ain't confirmed this; only heard > it. GVP simms have a wacky pin configuration, so no standard simms will snap in there. However, Siemens made this type of Simm too. If you knew the stats of the GVP simm, maybe you could do a search of some Siemens resources. Bohus Blahut (BOH-hoosh BLAH-hoot) Bohus@xnet.com Modern Filmmaker vox/fax: 773.465.5158 director- The Vantage Point "Imitation is the sincerest form of copyright infringement" -BB --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From goodidea@aye.net Tue, 24 Feb 1998 13:33:39 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1835 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1837 (database) From: GOOD IDEA! To: Mike McCool Subject: Re: {S16} AmiFast 3000 adapter Date: Tue, 24 Feb 98 09:33:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA20937for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 18:36:12 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA05194for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 19:35:40 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: a2feff1f696815dbac3eca9a77dfbd23 On 24-Feb-98, Mike McCool wrote: >On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, greenboy wrote: >> So, if you are using simms on the processor board, can't you use larger- >> capacity simms? Seems to me you mentioned an amount of ram that indicated >> 4-meg simms, but most boards that accept simms will allow up to four 32-meg >> simms for a total of 128-meg. >That would be fab. But I've heard that GVP 040 boards take ONLY their own >proprietary simms, and no one else's. I ain't confirmed this; only heard >it. >Perhaps someone else can pipe up and confirm or deny this? > http://www.efn.org/~mikemcoo > http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/lofts/9794 > >--- >*** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ Yeah, the early ones used a proprietary SIMM. The new boards take standard SIMMs, so you need to check first. --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From mardean@mcn.net Tue, 24 Feb 1998 13:33:32 -1000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1838 (database) From: Marcia McCarry To: studio16 Subject: Re: Topics Date: Wed, 25 Feb 98 00:33:00 Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19980224052116.08df75b4@mcn.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id UAA24439for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 20:45:30 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA06293for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:45:09 +0100 X-Sender: mardean@mcn.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 2803662899eb8c6be8612d2844949553 At 07:02 AM 2/19/98 +0100, you wrote: >Is there any interrest for an QMaster arexx script that can convert Cuelist >into "playlist" sheets for Final Writer ? I am thinking of listing entries >with calculated time and reference to sample name. . . . > Yeah. I have Final Writer - Would be good to be able to print out for cuelists with lots of entries on a complicated editing project, several of which I've done in the last 6 months. Dean Anderson --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From studio16-owner@odin.thule.no Wed Feb 25 02:13:25 1998 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1829 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1839 (database) From: Mike Masquith To: studio16 Subject: Re: old 2000 Date: Wed, 25 Feb 98 17:07:00 Message-ID: <34F487FE.MD-0.198.masquith@erols.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id CAA03185for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 02:13:21 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA10037for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 03:13:13 +0100 Organization: Barkin' Beaver Studios Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS 0.198 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no Status: O > Excuse the simple query of a newbie,--but what's "Ami-Fast?" I'd > intrigued, as I'd LOVE to soup up my ole A3000 to more than 26megs or ram. That's what we're here for!!! Ami-Fast is a slick little circuit board that replaces the Zip memeory chips the 3000 uses and allows standard 72 pin SIMMS to be used. The bottom of the board has a lot of small but strong pins that plug into certain locations in the Zip chip 'socket field'. The top has 4 SIMM slots. The thing cost around $70 if I recall. ZIP chips are difficult to find, and get worse as time goes on. They are also easy to ruin if you aren't careful inserting or removing them. They have reasonable performance, though, and it is argued that you lose a tiny bit of memory performance switching to SIMMS. I wish I had the URL of the company that makes AMI-FAST, but I leave that challenge to you. Hope this helped. -- -Mike Masquith, Barkin' Beaver Studios, VA, USA -A4000/060,CSMK1,CybSCSI Eagle Tower,VLM-Toccata,Ariadne -A3000/040,AD516,Ariadne,YamahaCDR101 --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From studio16-owner@odin.thule.no Wed Feb 25 02:13:32 1998 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1828 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1840 (database) From: Mike Masquith To: studio16 Subject: Re: old 2000 Date: Wed, 25 Feb 98 17:00:00 Message-ID: <34F48666.MD-0.198.masquith@erols.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id CAA03191for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 02:13:28 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA10036for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 03:13:09 +0100 Organization: Barkin' Beaver Studios Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS 0.198 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no Status: O > Would not having the REV8 SCSI chip prevent me from playing back more tracks? I can only get 3-4 on my 3000 w 256kb buffers. > I believe it did solve some performance issues. However, the most important item is the speed of your drive(s). What HD do you use to record/playback? I noticed the largest boost in performance when I changed from an old (but reliable!) boat-anchor full height 5¼" Maxtor 670 meg drive to a 2 gig Seagate Barracuda AV spec drive. I also set the block size to 8192. Before I was barely able to have six tracks, it seemed to strain to do it. With the new drive 8 is no problem, and it's also running Bars & Pipes at the same time. I'm sure it also helps having the 68040 cpu, as well. Hope this helps. -- -Mike Masquith, Barkin' Beaver Studios, VA, USA -A4000/060,CSMK1,CybSCSI Eagle Tower,VLM-Toccata,Ariadne -A3000/040,AD516,Ariadne,YamahaCDR101 --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From studio16-owner@odin.thule.no Wed Feb 25 03:23:23 1998 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1839 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1841 (database) From: Mike McCool To: studio16 Subject: AmiFAST Date: Wed, 25 Feb 98 04:30:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id DAA04443for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 03:23:21 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA10638for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 04:23:27 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: garcia.efn.org: mikemcoo owned process doing -bs MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no Status: O On 25 Feb 1998, Mike Masquith wrote: > chips the 3000 uses and allows standard 72 pin SIMMS to be used. The > bottom of the board has a lot of small but strong pins that plug into > certain locations in the Zip chip 'socket field'. The top has 4 SIMM > slots. The thing cost around $70 if I recall. > > Hope this helped. It did. I'd sort of been going the route Bohus pointed out, that of researching what kind of simms my GVP 040 has and seeing if Siemens has applicable but larger ram chips that would work. In this line of thinking, I'd lost the original thread--that of using AmiFAST. I DO love my 16megs of zips,--but I wouldn't mind having 128 megs of ram. I might be able to live with the lessened performance for the increased capacity . . . Thanks, Mike, for bringing me back around. (I assume there'd be no conflict between simms plugged into the ole zip sockets and the simms on my 040?). Best, Mike McCool http://www.efn.org/~mikemcoo http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/lofts/9794 --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From studio16-owner@odin.thule.no Wed Feb 25 04:24:28 1998 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1839 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1842 (database) From: John Rice To: studio16 Subject: Re: old 2000 Date: Wed, 25 Feb 98 05:27:00 Message-ID: <34F39DB0.B526C20@worldnet.att.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id EAA05807for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 04:24:24 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA11783for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 05:24:22 +0100 Organization: Ib Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <34F487FE.MD-0.198.masquith@erols.com> Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no Status: O Mike Masquith wrote: > > Excuse the simple query of a newbie,--but what's "Ami-Fast?" I'd > > intrigued, as I'd LOVE to soup up my ole A3000 to more than 26megs or ram. > > > I wish I had the URL of the company that makes AMI-FAST, but I leave > that challenge to you. > I just looked through the Dec 97 issue of Amazing Computing / Amiga magazine and Paxtron has the Amifast board. Contact them at: 914-578-6522 800-825-3241 888-PAXTRON 914-578-6550 - ( FAX ) www.paxtron.com Also, for everyone's info VisionSoft has ZIP DRAM for well under $10 a chip. Contact them at: 800-735-2633 408-626-2633 408-625-6588 ( fax ) www.visionsoft.com Happy shopping! ImJohn@worldnet.att.net .......I play drums. --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From studio16-owner@odin.thule.no Wed Feb 25 05:00:29 1998 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1843 (database) From: greenboy To: Mike McCool Subject: {S16} Why settle for less? Date: Wed, 25 Feb 98 05:57:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id FAA06402for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 05:00:26 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA12517for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 06:00:45 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id GAA12515 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no Status: O greenboy (that's me!) wrote: >>So, if you are using simms on the processor board, can't you use larger- >>capacity simms? Seems to me you mentioned an amount of ram that indicated >>4-meg simms, but most boards that accept simms will allow up to four 32-meg >>simms for a total of 128-meg. Mike McCool: >That would be fab. But I've heard that GVP 040 boards take ONLY their own >proprietary simms, and no one else's. I ain't confirmed this; only heard it Mike you are /way/ better off getting GVP simms than either putting zipps or Ami-Fast with simms in your computer. The processor on the accelerator can access that memory *way* faster than any memory on the motherboard. And the older GVP accelerators can take 64 megabytes if you use the 16-meg simms. Do not mix sizes though. All the mail-order houses seem to have them. I've seen lots of misleading information on this subject in today's mail. I am surprised that no-one seems to know how much faster mem is on a processor card than going through the bus. Even though the GVP type simms are more expensive than standard 72-pin simms, they are fast! And you will save the price of the Ami-Fast and be able to expand farther. -- *greenboy* NO AMIGA TO WASTE -- http://thunderstorms.org/NATW Friend of AMAZING Computing since Issue #1 // Team Let's get advertizers back in AMAZING \X/ AMIGA Restore it to its Former Glory --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From studio16-owner@odin.thule.no Wed Feb 25 05:26:58 1998 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1844 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: S16­ AHI/CGX3 Funny Business Date: Wed, 25 Feb 98 06:20:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id FAA06825for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 05:26:55 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA12789for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 06:27:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no Status: O ===FORWARD from the often lame but sometimes satisfying CyberGraphics ML=== Eric Giroux , 24-Feb-98: I would like to share a rare conflict experience I had with AHI v4.17 and cybergfx3 v2.69e to the latest. All begun, when I installed cybergfx3 v2.69e. After booting nothing happen, black screen. After doing some research I isolated the problem to cgxsystem.library; using the one provided with revision v2.69d everything was fine. After reporting the problem to Frank, one night following his guidance via the Internet, we isolated the problem to AHI-Handler when the AUDIO: device was mounted. We discovered that mounting audio: was producing some hits... So by not mounting the AUDIO: everything was back to normal: cybergfx was working again. Frank then isolated the ahi-handler/audio: problem to the fact that the icons provided with the ahi archive don't have the ACTIVATE=1 tooltype. So adding this tooltype fixed everything...no more hits and cybergfx was working correclty while audio: was mounted. So great THANKS to Frank Mariak for his patience and great expert evaluation. So the moral of the story: The problem is never as obvious as we think and not necessarily what we think. Thourough report help to narrow/fix the problem more easily. ==================== #Anyone have any comments, information, or want to dispute this?# -- *greenboy* NO AMIGA TO WASTE -- http://thunderstorms.org/NATW Friend of AMAZING Computing since Issue #1 // Team Let's get advertizers back in AMAZING \X/ AMIGA Restore it to its Former Glory --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From studio16-owner@odin.thule.no Wed Feb 25 05:31:55 1998 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1843 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1845 (database) From: Mike McCool To: Mike McCool Subject: Re: {S16} Why settle for less? Date: Wed, 25 Feb 98 06:39:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id FAA06894for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 05:31:52 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA12885for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 06:32:14 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: garcia.efn.org: mikemcoo owned process doing -bs MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no Status: O On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, greenboy wrote: > Mike McCool: > >That would be fab. But I've heard that GVP 040 boards take ONLY their own > >proprietary simms, and no one else's. I ain't confirmed this; only heard it > > Mike you are /way/ better off getting GVP simms than either putting zipps or > older GVP accelerators can take 64 megabytes if you use the 16-meg simms. Wow, now I AM stoked. And hey, I don't need any convincing to know the accelerator-board ram is faster than the native zips. I just didn't realize I could swap out those 4 2-meg simms for 4 16-meg ones. Now I just gotta go into search mode . . . (Thanks, you, for the nudge), M http://www.efn.org/~mikemcoo http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/lofts/9794 --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From studio16-owner@odin.thule.no Wed Feb 25 05:49:01 1998 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1846 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: {S16} The SIMM That Never Was Date: Wed, 25 Feb 98 06:46:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id FAA07138for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 05:48:55 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA13085for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 06:49:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.nogreenboy: Status: O >>Mike you are /way/ better off getting GVP simms than either putting zipps >>or older GVP accelerators can take 64 megabytes if you use the 16-meg Mike McCool : >Wow, now I AM stoked. And hey, I don't need any convincing to know the >accelerator-board ram is faster than the native zips. I just didn't >realize I could swap out those 4 2-meg simms for 4 16-meg ones. Make sure you in fact have the pre-GVP-DYING-AND-LEAVING-US-HOLDING-THE-BAG version of the board, versus the MORE-NEWLY-FORMED-AND-RENAMED-SEVERAL- TIMES-GVP board. Are you putting someone on? GVP simms -- and smaller simms in general -- come in 1, 4, and 16 megabytes. >Now I just gotta go into search mode . . . Visionsoft in AMAZING or INFORMER had the cheapest last time I checked. -- *greenboy* NO AMIGA TO WASTE -- http://thunderstorms.org/NATW Friend of AMAZING Computing since Issue #1 // Team Let's get advertizers back in AMAZING \X/ AMIGA Restore it to its Former Glory --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From beachler@iastate.edu Wed, 25 Feb 1998 08:00:45 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1829 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1847 (database) From: Rich Beachler To: studio16 Subject: Re: AmiFast Date: Wed, 25 Feb 98 15:00:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id NAA20754for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 13:59:49 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA16796for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:59:20 +0100 X-Sender: beachler@pop-2.iastate.edu References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 36ec9de49c52a63514d12d197ec22546 Hello, I might have missed a reply or two to this thread but all the SIMM boards that plug into the motherboard (AmiFast, etc.) provide only a maximum 16 megs storage. They are meant to provide a choice of SIMM vs ZIPP. They are not a true "expansion" option beyond the 16 megs the motherboard can address. (I was told this by the inventor/manufacturer of AmiFast.) They have 4 slots so you can use 4 meg SIMMs. If you use 8 meg, you can only populate 2 of the slots. All the cheap SIMMs are Page Mode (ZIPPs can be either Page Mode or Static Column Mode) and take a slight performance hit. Regarding the expandibility of your GVP board, have you checked your manual? Are there jumpers on the board for setting the memory addressing? Make sure your jumper settings don't restrict you to less than the 64 megs you desire. (My darn PPI Mercury board only lets me go to 32 meg!). Good Luck! Rich Beachler beachler@iastate.edu --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From mikemcoo@efn.org Wed, 25 Feb 1998 11:45:19 -0800 (PST) X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1847 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1848 (database) From: Mike McCool To: studio16 Subject: Re: AmiFast Date: Wed, 25 Feb 98 20:45:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id TAA03000for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 19:39:29 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA20068for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 20:38:06 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: garcia.efn.org: mikemcoo owned process doing -bs MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: f55a98adb2c2f60260a9a4952421bbb0 On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Rich Beachler wrote: > Regarding the expandibility of your GVP board, have you checked your manual? > Are there jumpers on the board for setting the memory addressing? Make sure > your jumper settings don't restrict you to less than the 64 megs you desire. My gvp board does seem to be one of the originals. And, though there's nothing specific about a high-end limit for ram, it does seem to imply that it only supports burst mode for the 4 and 8 meg configuration of simms. (That is, 4 one-meg simms or 4 two-meg simms). It did imply there were "future" plans to support 4-meg simms, "when they become commercially available". (Copyright for the manual is 1991-92). What I need to do is start asking around, see if anyone's bumped their gvp040 boards up to 64 megs of simms. http://www.efn.org/~mikemcoo http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/lofts/9794 --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From gclink@dryden.net Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:04:43 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1849 (database) From: Gord Clink To: 'studio16@thule.no' Subject: Accelerators Date: Wed, 25 Feb 98 21:04:00 Message-ID: <01BD41F6.52F52640@gclink.avenor.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id UAA04731for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 20:07:51 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA21130for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 21:06:36 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: bastionhost.avenor.com: Host [10.100.240.153] claimed to be gclink.avenor.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id VAA21123 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: b10dc442ab0e6c04309084b61eab2e6d As long as we're on the topic of accelerators, does anyone on this list use the PP&S 28Mhz 040 accelerator? If so, do you know if it's possible to bump up the clock rate of the CPU by replacing the CPU.... Would a crystal have to be replaced? By the way... what ever happened to PP&S? Out of business like the rest of them I suppose... Gord --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From mardean@mcn.net Wed, 25 Feb 1998 13:32:36 -1000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1850 (database) From: Marcia McCarry To: studio16 Subject: S16 w/ Maestro Pro Date: Thu, 26 Feb 98 00:32:00 Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19980225052020.089787e8@mcn.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id UAA05700for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 20:44:20 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA22212for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 21:44:26 +0100 X-Sender: mardean@mcn.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 1d11471e09a72f16515df5c9b630b3df Many thanks to dhomas trenn for facilitating my purchase of a new Maestro Pro digital I/O interface, and am eagerly awaiting its arrival, and the joy of pure digital audio transfers from/to my DAT and Amiga 2000 via Fostex COP1 OPTICAL/COAX converter and 2 16.5-foot optical cables. Why optical I/O on this baby? - I just learned that with optical, you can go much longer distances with almost no loss, whereas RCA coaxial requires special wide-bandwidth cabling, and is only recommended over short cable lengths. However, now that I've made the step up, certain questions are starting to haunt me: At what point does playback in AD516 the cuelist become analog? - i.e. Is the only way to digitally capture a cuelist-edited audio event to route that channel's output to another's input and thus re-record it as another sound file? If so, does this mean that it plays analog internally and is re-sampled again, or is it all done in the digital domain? If there is a D/A to A/D conversion taking place here, how good is it considered to be inside the AD516? --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From gclink@dryden.net Wed, 25 Feb 1998 15:36:11 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1851 (database) From: Gord Clink To: 'studio16@thule.no' Subject: SoundBlaster?? Date: Wed, 25 Feb 98 22:36:00 Message-ID: <01BD4203.1D42E3E0@gclink.avenor.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA07093for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 21:38:11 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA22935for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 22:38:29 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: bastionhost.avenor.com: Host [10.100.240.153] claimed to be gclink.avenor.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id WAA22931 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 3e8cc04f3152d23189096fa144b8f83a I have a friend that purchased some audio software for his PC (SAW), and is going to use it with a SoundBlaster16 audioboard. I was trying to explain to him that that may not be sufficient and that my AD516 board is of much higher quality as far as audio re-production. Then I realized that I have to back that statement up!!! What exactly is the difference between a regular old SoundBlaster16 audioboard, and the AD516? Gord --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From dhomas@youngmonkey.ca Wed, 25 Feb 1998 17:59:16 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1850 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1852 (database) From: dhomas trenn To: Marcia McCarry Subject: Re: S16 w/ Maestro Pro Date: Wed, 25 Feb 98 23:59:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id WAA07790for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 22:01:35 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA23329for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 23:01:01 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: young monkey studios MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 79a58d02c66e242f63a5e39784faedeb Marcia spoke and whirled like a Dervish divine: > At what point does playback in AD516 the cuelist become analog? - i.e. Only when you connect a tape recorder to the outputs of the AD516. > Is the only way to digitally capture a cuelist-edited audio event to > route that channel's output to another's input and thus re-record it > as another sound file? Yes. > If so, does this mean that it plays analog internally and is re-sampled > again, or is it all done in the digital domain? Internal is always digital. > If there is a D/A to A/D conversion taking place here, how good is it > considered to be inside the AD516? The only time the AD516's A/D convertor is used is when you are recording. And the D/A convertor is only used when you are playing. Any editing, sequencing, etc... remains in the digital domain. If you transfer from DAT to the Amiga by using the Maestro Pro, it stays digital. Do whatever you want with those transferred files in Studio 16 and it remains digital. If you record to something connected to the AD516's analog outputs the digital data must pass through the AD516's D/A convertor... and so the sound quality is degraded. So, the best thing for you to do to keep the best quality all the time is to avoid the AD516 whenever recording (either TO or FROM the Amiga). Record to DAT, transfer to Amiga via MaestroPro, edit and audititon on AD516. When everything is the way you want it mix down to a stereo track and transfer back to DAT via the Maestro Pro again. And that's that. Your DAT's A/D convertor is very likely much better than that on your AD516. So always record to DAT and transfer digitally - rather than recording on the AD516. -- dhomas. ********************************************************************** * * * young monkey studios EMail: dhomas@youngmonkey.ca * * ---------------- WWW: http://www.youngmonkey.ca/ * * dhomas trenn * * Snail: 797 Mitchell Street * * Fredericton, NB * * Phone: (506) 459-7088 CANADA E3B 3S8 * * * ********************************************************************** --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From dhomas@youngmonkey.ca Wed, 25 Feb 1998 18:06:17 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1851 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1853 (database) From: dhomas trenn To: Gord Clink Subject: Re: SoundBlaster?? Date: Thu, 26 Feb 98 00:06:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id WAA07945for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 22:07:23 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA23410for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 23:07:48 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: young monkey studios MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 302f5050f30efb3f089cc175204d0634 Gord spoke and whirled like a Dervish divine: > is of much higher quality as far as audio re-production. Then I realized > that I have to back that statement up!!! What exactly is the difference > between a regular old SoundBlaster16 audioboard, and the AD516? Probably not much, other than you can record on the AD516. Though the SB16 might handle computer noise better. Actually, I've a suspicion that the SB16 might sound better - whether it's noticeable or not, that's another story. Don't flame me... I'm guessing. -- dhomas. ********************************************************************** * * * young monkey studios EMail: dhomas@youngmonkey.ca * * ---------------- WWW: http://www.youngmonkey.ca/ * * dhomas trenn * * Snail: 797 Mitchell Street * * Fredericton, NB * * Phone: (506) 459-7088 CANADA E3B 3S8 * * * ********************************************************************** --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From goodidea@aye.net Wed, 25 Feb 1998 18:12:54 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1849 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1854 (database) From: GOOD IDEA! To: Gord Clink Subject: Re: Accelerators Date: Wed, 25 Feb 98 14:12:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id XAA09923for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 23:15:06 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA24321for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 00:15:04 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 4f34e88ecf659a44d6d3f11a033133b8 On 26-Feb-98, Gord Clink wrote: >As long as we're on the topic of accelerators, does anyone on this list use >the PP&S 28Mhz 040 accelerator? If so, do you know if it's possible to bump >up the clock rate of the CPU by replacing the CPU.... Would a crystal have to >be replaced? By the way... what ever happened to PP&S? Out of business like >the rest of them I suppose... >Gord It seems I remember that some of those boards had a real heat problem, so I don't think I'd overclock. --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From tc_silvey@juno.com Tue, 24 Feb 1998 18:38:28 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1851 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1855 (database) From: troy silvey To: studio16 Subject: Re: SoundBlaster?? Not quite. Date: Wed, 25 Feb 98 00:38:00 Message-ID: <19980224.183829.3294.0.tc_silvey@juno.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id XAA10760for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 23:50:23 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA24803for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 00:50:36 +0100 References: <01BD4203.1D42E3E0@gclink.avenor.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-9,11-12,14-18,20-21,23,25,27,29-33,35,37,39,41,43,45,47-49,51-55 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: d6f35a8d5c30cfc22cceb236b62283a8 >realized that I have to back that statement up!!! What exactly is the >difference between a regular old SoundBlaster16 audioboard, and the >AD516? I don't have all the tech specs, but I can tell you my own experience and the feedback given to me by other pc audio professionals. I have the AD516 and once had a alesis ADAT. To myvery picky human ear, their was no difference in playback quality. I had more trouble with the AD516 being more sensitive to back ground noise, like the sound of the ami power supply fan, than the ADAT. I guess that is good and bad. The 516 is aparrently very accurate at reproducing whatever noise the mic can hear. I wanted to be able to burn my mixed samples to CD. My choices and results.... 1. Buy another AD516 for a second mixdown amiga. ($650) 2. Buy a SB AWE64 and use the pc for mixdown and CD burning. ($160) 3. Find other solutions..... and I did. Every professional I could talk to in person and over the net told me the SB16 was not a pro quality board and to avoid. Please note this is PRO work, not average users. The SB16 IS good for many things including some pro stuff. I tried it myself and found the SB to have the slightest bit of hiss to it. I Also found a couple of clone SB cards that always had even more hiss. The AD516 makes none or almost none I can detect. All the pros told me the same thing..... SB cards have some hiss. 2 users told me they bought and then returned the SB cards because of hiss and drop out problems. Here is number 3. I bought a turtle beach card for the PC. It is only 2 channel stereo but just what I needed to mix the ami/AD516 tracks down to a stereo sample ready to burn on CD. I bought a used card for $120. Much less than the AD516, but minus all the other great features too. The turtle beach card is all as perfect and quite (to my ear) as the AD516 and ADAT. A new TB card will cost you about $300-400. I think the SB card is good for games and some better than average recording, but if you want samples that are broadcast quality, you need to move up to TB, roland or one of the other PRO cards. SB is for the beginner/intermediate. Check out TB specs at www.voyetra.com and compare them to you AD516 specs and the specs of ADAT at www.alesis.com and SB specs (if you can find them) The numbers (and your ear) will tell you the real story. Man that was alot of typing.......bye troy _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From jacob@iag.net Wed, 25 Feb 1998 21:27:22 EST5EDT4,M4.1.0 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1849 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1856 (database) From: Jacob Ellis To: Gord Clink Subject: Re: Accelerators Date: Thu, 26 Feb 98 03:27:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id CAA14585for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 02:28:37 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA26470for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 03:28:17 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 144ae8221adceffe097528f74770eb80 On 25-Feb-98, Gord Clink wrote: >As long as we're on the topic of accelerators, does anyone on this list use >the PP&S 28Mhz 040 accelerator? If so, do you know if it's possible to bump >up the clock rate of the CPU by replacing the CPU.... Would a crystal have to >be replaced? By the way... what ever happened to PP&S? Out of business like >the rest of them I suppose... Yes, remember the crystal on the 040 is 2x faster than the clock speed. So 40MHz 040 would need an 80 MHz crystal. However, this doesn't mean that the other components on the board will be able to take that speed. I think it is good to at least 33-35MHz. PP&S burned down in a bizarre fire, they were on their way out of business anyway - that just pushed them over a little faster. Jacob -- jacob@iag.net --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From baff@mindspring.com Sun, 03 Aug 1997 12:15:30 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1229 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1857 (database) From: Brian Fields To: Jamie Krutz Subject: PPC'd Out Date: Sun, 3 Aug 97 08:15:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id CAA15002for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 02:52:53 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA26805for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 03:53:05 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: cd997176280f68a5a50dba3b77465ef4 I've lost the messages from the mailing list since Jan. 26th. due to configuring my 3 A3000's with a PPC, '060 MKII and an '040. To do a networking project to end this week. All is going well. Someone else asked me to keep them updated in personal Email and I have lost their message also. Was it you Jamie Krutz that was speaking of using a Broadcaster Elite with Studio16? Whoever it was did you say you were having no problems using S16 v3.1 with the Broadcaster? Thanks, Brian Fields baff@mindspring.com >--- >*** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From jkrutz@meta.burner.com Wed, 25 Feb 98 20:22:40 MST X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1849 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1858 (database) From: Jamie Krutz To: studio16 Subject: Re: Accelerators Date: Thu, 26 Feb 98 04:22:00 Message-ID: <9802260322.AA014xj@meta.burner.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id IAA22944for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 08:52:29 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA30766for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:52:22 +0100 References: <01BD41F6.52F52640@gclink.avenor.com> Organization: The Back Burner BBS Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: b2d709c3709be26ef7d0e1fe5a4f02a5 In article <01BD41F6.52F52640@gclink.avenor.com> Gord Clink writes: > As long as we're on the topic of accelerators, does anyone on this list use the PP&S 28Mhz 040 accelerator? If so, do you know if it's possible to bump up the clock rate of the CPU by replacing the CPU.... Would a crystal have to be replaced? By the way... what ever happened to PP&S? Out of business like the rest of them I suppose... PP&S is indeed gone. One or more of the folks from there now run Aspen Computers. They make and sell DECAlpha workstations. My PP&S 040-35mhz still runs solidly in my A3000T. I don't know the answer to your overclocking question, though. > Gord> Best Regards, -Jamie --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From goodidea@aye.net Thu, 26 Feb 1998 07:56:23 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1857 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1860 (database) From: GOOD IDEA! To: Brian Fields Subject: Re: PPC'd Out Date: Thu, 26 Feb 98 13:56:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id NAA01325for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 13:01:22 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA00434for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 14:01:20 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 108d1044081b857040af96908166b660 On 03-Aug-97, Brian Fields wrote: >Whoever it was did you say you were having no problems using S16 v3.1 with >the Broadcaster? >Thanks, >Brian Fields >baff@mindspring.com I had a Broadcaster and S16 3.1 working together, just not simultaneously without an occasional hang. I recorded using the Broadcaster and its required 2.0 libraries. I edited everything in the S16 3.1 environment because of the its superior interface. -- Mark Needham GOOD IDEA! goodidea@aye.net Graphic design Photography Illustration Video Architecture Advertising Multimedia --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From gclink@dryden.net Thu, 26 Feb 1998 11:05:07 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1861 (database) From: Gord Clink To: 'studio16@thule.no' Subject: A3000 problems.... Date: Thu, 26 Feb 98 18:05:00 Message-ID: <01BD42A6.6A029380@gclink.avenor.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA09938for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:09:19 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA03035for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 18:07:30 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: bastionhost.avenor.com: Host [10.100.240.153] claimed to be gclink.avenor.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id SAA03033 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: cc6750996b0a7050c8f91d280660a9cd OK.... This is getting pretty ridiculous.... I was playing back ONE Studio16 mono, track on my 25Mhz A3000 with 14MB RAM, & 2.1GB Quantum Fireball, track buffers set to 512kb, and after about 3.5 minutes, I got an I/O overload error. I can't figure out what's wrong, and I'm getting frustrated. DiskSpeed reports 1.7MB transfer with 70% cpu available... I'm jealous of everyone else being able to get 6,7 & 8 tracks playable.... Gord Clink --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From masquith@erols.com 26 Feb 98 15:28:58 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1861 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1862 (database) From: Mike Masquith To: studio16 Subject: Re: A3000 problems.... Date: Thu, 26 Feb 98 11:28:01 Message-ID: <34F58A3A.MD-0.198.masquith@erols.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id UAA15594for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 20:31:46 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA05588for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 21:30:09 +0100 Organization: Barkin' Beaver Studios Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS 0.198 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 6542ae0efb3639eed05392a134612b54 > OK.... This is getting pretty ridiculous.... > > I was playing back ONE Studio16 mono, track on my 25Mhz A3000 with 14MB RAM, & 2.1GB Quantum Fireball, track buffers set to 512kb, and after about 3.5 minutes, I got an I/O overload error. I can't figure out what's wrong, and I'm getting frustrated. DiskSpeed reports 1.7MB transfer with 70% cpu available... > > I'm jealous of everyone else being able to get 6,7 & 8 tracks playable.... Ok, let's nail this problem... With heavy paraphrasing from: Chapter 7 of the Studio16 manual... 'Troubleshooting' In the section 'Flashing Screens, Overload Errors.....' A. Problem: DMA mask is wrong Solution: Set it to 0x7FFFFFFE (using HDToolbox or FastPrep if U use a GVP controller) B. Problem: Not using WorkBench 3.1 Solution: Get it. C.Problem: Your Amiga doesn't have enough CPU time Solutions: Turn off meters, SMPTE monitor, mixer Faster processor (they think 68030 is fast) Combine samples into one Minimize Cue List crossfades Upgrade HD controller (stock 3000 one is fine) upgrade AD1012 to AD516 (U have 516, right?) D. Problem: Hard disk is too slow Solutions: Reduce the number of simultaneous samples playing Lower the sampling rate Increase channel buffer (more than 512 helps little) Buy faster drive/controller E. Problem: HD is fragmented Solution: Defrag it. (do you have Re-Org?) F. Problem The 'Use Extended Memory' option is set incorrectly. Solution: Try both settings. G. Problem: Too many or too large of a non-destructive edit in a sample Solution: Make Permanent in editor on that sample. Large block sizes help. Most of these probably don't apply to you, but who knows? Definitely check item F Hope something here helps! I'm out until Monday night (camping), BTW. -- -Mike Masquith, Barkin' Beaver Studios, VA, USA -A4000/060,CSMK1,CybSCSI Eagle Tower,VLM-Toccata,Ariadne -A3000/040,AD516,Ariadne,YamahaCDR101 --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From sag@cae.ca Thu, 26 Feb 1998 19:33:37 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1863 (database) From: Serge A Guilbert To: studio16 Subject: S16­QMaster possibilities -Reply Date: Fri, 27 Feb 98 01:33:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id AAA21975for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 00:40:53 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA08726for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 01:40:46 +0100 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 0a8dfeb9aab661e323007cb2f35b2980 -->Hey, Serge, long time no see type! I don't really remember what Wordswort= Yeah, I know. Slightly overworked these days. I only get quick glances at the mailing list. :>( -->has, but FinalWriter can save and load RTF (rich text format). That is True. Also, WordWorth converts FinalWriter (I checked). Thanks for the suggestion. Sounding off; Serge A. Guilbert, B.Eng CAE Electronics, Flight Simulators, Sound Group (514)341-6780 x4129 sag@cae.ca ________________________________________________________ A Wise Old Man Once Told Me: "Go Away!!!". And So, I Did ________________________________________________________ --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From sag@cae.ca Thu, 26 Feb 1998 19:45:02 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1864 (database) From: Serge A Guilbert To: studio16 Subject: Re: Topics -Reply -Reply Date: Fri, 27 Feb 98 01:45:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id AAA22122for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 00:50:01 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA08899for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 01:50:35 +0100 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 39203467f84a245ae0b846c2a0491152 -->Wordworth.. was that on the last Aminet CD (20 or 21) ?? Sorry, Kenny, I Don't know. WordWorth is made by Digita s/w, in the U.K., and is distributed by Soft-Logik (PageStream), in North America. It is not public domain. Last version I know of is version 6 (released some time last year). Perhaps older versions are on aminet?? Sounding off; Serge A. Guilbert, B.Eng CAE Electronics, Flight Simulators, Sound Group (514)341-6780 x4129 sag@cae.ca ________________________________________________________ A Wise Old Man Once Told Me: "Go Away!!!". And So, I Did ________________________________________________________ --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From baff@mindspring.com Thu, 26 Feb 1998 23:18:00 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1860 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1865 (database) From: Brian Fields To: GOOD IDEA! Subject: Re: PPC'd Out Date: Thu, 26 Feb 98 19:18:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id EAA27287for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 04:40:18 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA11736for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 05:40:35 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 6d9ee63e44d25bb4da36ae2a6cc727db On 26-Feb-98, GOOD IDEA! wrote: >I had a Broadcaster and S16 3.1 working together, just not simultaneously >without an occasional hang. I recorded using the Broadcaster and its required >2.0 libraries. I edited everything in the S16 3.1 environment because of the >its superior interface. Thanks Mark. This make me think I'm on the right track using two machines running simultaneously with S16 3.1 and SMPTE. Which version of Producer do you use for ease of running with the S16? Brian Fields baff@mindspring.com >--- >*** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From goodidea@aye.net Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:43:54 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1865 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1866 (database) From: GOOD IDEA! To: Brian Fields Subject: Re: PPC'd Out Date: Fri, 27 Feb 98 15:43:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id OAA14175for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 14:51:06 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA17438for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 15:49:02 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: b785959ace742362681382af29056329 On 26-Feb-98, Brian Fields wrote: >Thanks Mark. This make me think I'm on the right track using two machines >running simultaneously with S16 3.1 and SMPTE. >Which version of Producer do you use for ease of running with the S16? >Brian Fields >baff@mindspring.com A separate machine is definitely the way to go. I now have the Broadcaster and their new Soundstage in one 4000 and the AD516 in another 4000. Ethernet makes it easy to send the files around. I now use Producer 2.44 with the SoundStage. I think the last version I used with the AD516 was 2.41. -- Mark Needham GOOD IDEA! goodidea@aye.net Graphic design Photography Illustration Video Architecture Advertising Multimedia --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From madmaxx@cyberhighway.net Sat, 28 Feb 1998 00:45:36 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1853 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1871 (database) From: Marv B. To: studio16 Subject: Re: SoundBlaster?? Date: Sat, 28 Feb 98 00:45:00 Message-ID: <2115.7361T227T1134@cyberhighway.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id XAA28968for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 23:04:32 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA04893for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 00:45:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.22 (Amiga;TCP/IP) *UNREGISTERED* Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: e971598a205b1c73d12284b7fa55e0b1 >Gord spoke and whirled like a Dervish divine: >> is of much higher quality as far as audio re-production. Then I >realized >> that I have to back that statement up!!! What exactly is the >difference >> between a regular old SoundBlaster16 audioboard, and the AD516? >Probably not much, other than you can record on the AD516. Though the >SB16 might handle computer noise better. Actually, I've a suspicion >that the SB16 might sound better - whether it's noticeable or not, >that's another story. >Don't flame me... I'm guessing. You could not be more wrong The soundblaster is a cheap audio product that can not produce ANY realy good sound... yes it dose sound good with windows but you can not compaire that to real audio.... As a systems inagreator I can tell you from exp. that even on the pc .. when you need good audio you get a antex studio card.... Marv >-- >dhomas. >********************************************************************** >* * > * young monkey studios EMail: dhomas@youngmonkey.ca * > * ---------------- WWW: http://www.youngmonkey.ca/ * > * dhomas trenn * > * Snail: 797 Mitchell Street * > * Fredericton, NB * > * Phone: (506) 459-7088 CANADA E3B 3S8 * >* * >********************************************************************** >--- >*** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ +----------------------------------------------------------+ | madmaxx@cyberhighway.net is: 116 N.Latah | | Marv Birkinbine Pres. Boise, Idaho 83706 | | MAXXIMUM VIDEO CREATIONS INC. 1-888-mad-maxx | | "YOUR AMIGA DEALER 1-208-385-9658 | | FOR THE NEXT GENERATION" www.cyberhighway.net/~madmaxx | +----------------------------------------------------------+ --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From jkrutz@meta.burner.com Fri, 27 Feb 98 22:40:31 MST X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1857 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1872 (database) From: Jamie Krutz To: studio16 Subject: Re: PPC'd Out Date: Sat, 28 Feb 98 06:40:00 Message-ID: <9802280540.AA0151x@meta.burner.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id IAA09130for ; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 08:52:27 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA10341for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 10:34:57 +0100 References: X-NewsSoftware: GRn 2.1 Feb 19, 1994 Organization: The Back Burner BBS Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: e2f8108798ac0aad599842c5375df8a1 In article Brian Fields writes: > I've lost the messages from the mailing list since Jan. 26th. due to > configuring my 3 A3000's with a PPC, '060 MKII and an '040. To do a > networking project to end this week. All is going well. Someone else asked > me to keep them updated in personal Email and I have lost their message > also. > > Was it you Jamie Krutz that was speaking of using a Broadcaster Elite with > Studio16? I've done that. > Whoever it was did you say you were having no problems using S16 v3.1 with > the Broadcaster? Here's what I've done: For video editing using the AD516, I've used the Studio16 2.x libraries. That allows Producer to do very basic audio editing along with the video editing. Things stay synced and you can move audio around in time as needed. No rendering of audio is required. Playback is instantaneous. Fades, however, must be done outside of Producer and for that I have used Studio 16 3.x for editing the samples. As long as the sample length doesn't change, Producer will still sync them up again later using the Studio 16 2.x libraries. When scoring music for an already edited video or animation, I've used Studio 16 3.x and Producer at the same time in the same machine (a 68040 box). I've fed time code out of the Broadcaster's breakout box and into the AD516's time code input. Push play on the Broadcaster and Studio 16 3.x chases. Going one step further, I've run Studio 16 3.x from inside Bars & Pipes Pro. That has given me MIDI, digital audio and video playback all on a single Amiga. I've been able to work interactively in B&P to record MIDI tracks, and Studio 16 to record audio tracks, and then check them against the video by hitting the Broadcaster's play button. For example, that's how I did the demo video for World Construction Set Version 2. I actually edited the video on a different system (DPS Perception), then dumped it to the Broadcaster to use for visual reference while recording the music. The reference video was recorded at a lower quality level on the Broadcaster to keep system stress down. > Thanks, > > Brian Fields > > baff@mindspring.com Best Regards, -Jamie --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From doncox@enterprise.net Sat, 28 Feb 1998 14:18:05 +0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1872 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1873 (database) From: Don Cox To: studio16 Subject: Re[2]: PPC'd Out Date: Sat, 28 Feb 98 15:18:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id QAA17387for ; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 16:33:08 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA13605for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 18:15:41 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 2.0.0 Preview [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: bb76627fe450b6557de6f8e92b4327a9 On 28-Feb-98, Jamie Krutz wrote: > Going one step further, I've run Studio 16 3.x from inside Bars & Pipes > Pro. That has given me MIDI, digital audio and video playback all > on a single Amiga. I've been able to work interactively in B&P to > record MIDI tracks, and Studio 16 to record audio tracks, and > then check them against the video by hitting the Broadcaster's > play button. You can do similar things with B&P, Stuio16, and the PAR card. The PAR can be triggered to play at a set SMPTE time. -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From onad@ao.net Sat, 28 Feb 1998 14:57:39 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1875 (database) From: Dan Oberley To: studio16 Subject: Mailing list Date: Sat, 28 Feb 98 10:57:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id TAA02129for ; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 19:59:16 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA15851for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 21:42:10 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 8c39d137343dacecdd1a1501475ceafb Please put me on your mialing list. 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