X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1211 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: All Subject: List info Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 20:35:00 Message-ID: <1038.324T1136T12352601@bgnett.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) If you would like to find out if some of your assossiates or friends are on the list you can send a request to majordomo@thule.no and type 'who studio16' in body text. (We have passed 70 subscribers today). Ok, some general stuff: please try to trim the postings. Trimming the postings will increase readabillity and decrease bandwidth wasted. Also try to keep a max linelength of 76 chars to avoid linewrapping in postings. We have a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions). You can get this FAQ by sending an email to studio16@emrl.com and put 'get faq' in the subject line. You might find some of the question you carry answered in this FAQ. Don't be affraid to come forward if you have something on your mind! Also see email header of any posting on this list for more info. If you are interrested in getting the Studio 16 support archive which contains developer docs (fileformats) and several tools, you can get this archive from Aminet in dev/misc/Studio16add.lha or from Pauli Porkkas web page http://www.iki.fi/~pporkka/ - Kenny X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1212 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: tdavis Subject: Re: Subscribing Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 20:38:00 Message-ID: <556.324T1251T12382836@bgnett.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) tdavis wrote: >Now that I'm on the list, is there an archive of previous messages? Not from the majordomo, but I can send you (and anyone else who would like to receive) an UUCP file from my private database. I have stripped out administration messages, binaries and test messages. The file contains just below 500 messages (including today's messages). It will be archived as lha, lzx and zip, let me know what you'd prefer. If you use Thor you just parse the UUCP file into your database with "thor:bin/parseuucp ". - Kenny X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1213 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Gord Clink Subject: Re: Apps Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 20:39:00 Message-ID: <480.324T272T12392577@bgnett.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Gord Clink wrote: >Does anyone know if the Studio16addon project includes the possibility of >creating additional apps for use within Studio16? It doesn't. To achieve that we need developer (API) docs for Studio 16 version 3 (studio.library 4.2 etc.). You can of course create apps to accompany Studio 16 poping up at the same screen, but no direct interfacing. The Studio16 add-on project is containing developer docs on the fileformats pluss tools to handle those. - Kenny X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1214 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: All Subject: OctaMed SS Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 20:40:00 Message-ID: <566.324T58T12401683@bgnett.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Just FYI (For Your Information): I spoke with Thorsten Hansen, Amiga author of OctaMed Sound Studio about save (mixer rendering) to Studio 16 fileformat. He told he was about to redesign the OMSS GUI and would create a new sound interface to allow external plugins for the program. This means when it will be available we can create a plugin to allow save, load, play and record with Studio 16 from OMSS. Unfortunately we don't know (yet) how to feed sound directly to the cards, but a file saver/loader will save much work for us who use OMSS atleast. - Kenny From gclink@dryden.net Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:28:12 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1215 (database) From: Gord Clink To: 'studio16@thule.no' Subject: RE: SMPTEout -Reply Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 17:28:00 Message-ID: <01BD258E.1D38FE20@gclink.avenor.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id QAA09555for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:31:36 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA17181for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:27:11 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: bastionhost.avenor.com: Host [10.100.240.153] claimed to be gclink.avenor.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id RAA17179 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 3fb087e4fde8f907646547c9d759dc8c Thanks Serge for all your input!! I feel kind of foolish though, after reading your reply, I discovered I had the TEAC real-to-real wound wrong, which was causing un-due tension on the heads. After rewinding the tape properly, my problem disapeared.... Hopefully for good! I hope your not too upset with me after that generous lengthy reply!! :) Thanks again everyone!! Gord Clink --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From doncox@enterprise.net Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:13:11 -0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1216 (database) From: Don Cox To: Serge A Guilbert Subject: Re: SMPTEout -Reply Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 16:13:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA10655for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:04:11 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA17435for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:00:13 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 11fc371bcee042287e2c1fe4b3cd751b On 20-Jan-98, Serge A Guilbert wrote: >Here's hoping I haven't bored you out of your wits, and I hope it helps. Many thanks for this really excellent and helpful contribution. Did you ever try the SMPTEout module with the Amiga genlocked to a video camera? That ought to give a more accurate timing, but I haven't had a chance to test it myself. You don't mention what version of the SMPTEoutput you tested. I have 1.02. As the software multitasks, perhaps it is being delayed by having to share time with other tasks? -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From jacob@iag.net Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:13:45 EST5EDT4,M4.1.0 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1216 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1217 (database) From: Jacob Ellis To: Don Cox Subject: Re: SMPTEout -Reply Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 18:13:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA10959for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:14:41 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA17542for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:11:17 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: ec1eac32606fca53c78552f660584a68 On 20-Jan-98, Don Cox wrote: >Many thanks for this really excellent and helpful contribution. >Did you ever try the SMPTEout module with the Amiga genlocked to a video >camera? That ought to give a more accurate timing, but I haven't had a chance >to test it myself. I've only used it here with genlock enabled and sync to video selected, even on really bad/abused/old decks the SMPTEOutput module has always been frame accurate. >You don't mention what version of the SMPTEoutput you tested. I have 1.02. >As the software multitasks, perhaps it is being delayed by having to share >time with other tasks? Same version here. I always run it with nothing else running and do not disturb it while it is striping. :) Jacob -- jacob@iag.net --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:32:43 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1216 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1218 (database) From: greenboy To: Don Cox Subject: [S16] SMPTEout Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 06:32:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from torget.bgnett.no (torget.bgnett.no [194.19.41.3])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA12204for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:52:27 GMT Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by torget.bgnett.no (8.8.6/8.8.5/brage) with ESMTP id SAA16628for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:52:26 +0100 (MET) Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA17877for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:48:32 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id SAA17875 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: db5c86a5bdf98fb9793beb9b2ade7c80 Don Cox's words on 20-Jan-98: >Many thanks for this really excellent and helpful contribution. >Did you ever try the SMPTEout module with the Amiga genlocked to a video >camera? That ought to give a more accurate timing, but I haven't had a chance >to test it myself. -- Yeah, rotary-head technology is more stable and accurate typically. That is one reason the Tascam DA88 mentioned by Mr Mula in this thread is a good bet... -- *greenboy* RED|GREEN|BLUE MARS - Nebula & Hugo - Kim Stanley Robinson _ // Team NO AMIGA TO WASTE: Help build programs Ami needs! \X/ AMIGA *http://thunderstorms.org/NATW* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From gclink@dryden.net Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:02:45 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1219 (database) From: Gord Clink To: 'studio16@thule.no' Subject: RE: SMTPEout Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 19:02:00 Message-ID: <01BD259B.54F8EC00@gclink.avenor.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA12574for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:04:47 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA18007for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 19:01:18 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: bastionhost.avenor.com: Host [10.100.240.153] claimed to be gclink.avenor.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id TAA18005 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 85e761d019fe8c4f862e4e3ddf55535e Dhomas, I realize that the addons at this point are not new apps, but I'm wondering if the project will, down the road maybe, include some new apps for use within Studio16? In other words, will the programmers be able to create modules to use within Studio16, like the cuelist, the editor etc.... Gord --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From MCKITTRM@Mattel.com Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:14:00 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1220 (database) From: McKittrick, Mike T To: 'studio16@thule.no' Subject: RE: Recording Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 19:14:00 Message-ID: <11C089E676D0D011A14C0080D800162165EA00@ESTWR56> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA12915for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:15:39 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA18185for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 19:12:08 +0100 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 4204d4212f37082c9858ba3979c10190 I said: > >others noticed this anomaly. Or, perhaps my hardware is a bit off. > >Here's another question though. When playing back a pair of samples > >(stereo) from the samples editor (whether a range or not) and you hit > >the stop button, the left channel stops first, then the right channel > >after a little lag time. Again, is this common or could it be my > >hardware. I realize these are real minor and just wonder if others > have > >similar results. > Kenny said: > It must be due to how the (probably double) buffering works in Studio > 16. > The left channel gets loaded first then right and as the DSP is fed > with > data from the buffers all the time you will hear part of the last load > before the buffers gets cleared. Since right channel was loaded last > that > channel will be cleared last as well of timer reasons. > I ran a little test over the weekend. While recording (from the Recorder module) to Ram:, I monitored the increasing file size in quasi real time thru DOPus. Both channels were always identical. When I stopped the recorder, the right channel file was 2048 bytes longer then the left channel. I presume the 'file closing' within the multi-tasking environment (or something similar) is the reason the two files are not identical sometimes. Regards, Mike --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1220 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1221 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: McKittrick, Mike T Subject: RE: Recording Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 22:02:00 Message-ID: <730.324T12T13222293@bgnett.no> To: "McKittrick, Mike T" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) McKittrick, Mike T wrote: >I ran a little test over the weekend. While recording (from the Recorder >recorder, the right channel file was 2048 bytes longer then the left >channel. I presume the 'file closing' within the multi-tasking I must rather be a last file /write/.. however, interresting size too, 2048 is exact 2kb. Is this always the case ? Those of you who have this problem, has anyone ran the MessageMonitor app ? Perhaps there is a delay when the recorder send a "stop recording" message... What does the last data contain ? nulls or random data etc. ? What filesystem do you use and what disk type SCSI/IDE ? (I am just trying to locate where the problem might be - I don't have this problem myself). - Kenny From kenny@bgnett.no 20 Jan 98 20:40:01 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1224 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: All Subject: OctaMed SS Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 20:40:00 Message-ID: <566.324T58T12401683@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id UAA02983for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 20:38:24 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA19332for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 21:34:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 6f917b701bc5f24b3c81414207f3b627 Just FYI (For Your Information): I spoke with Thorsten Hansen, Amiga author of OctaMed Sound Studio about save (mixer rendering) to Studio 16 fileformat. He told he was about to redesign the OMSS GUI and would create a new sound interface to allow external plugins for the program. This means when it will be available we can create a plugin to allow save, load, play and record with Studio 16 from OMSS. Unfortunately we don't know (yet) how to feed sound directly to the cards, but a file saver/loader will save much work for us who use OMSS atleast. - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From kenny@bgnett.no 20 Jan 98 20:39:05 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1225 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Gord Clink Subject: Re: Apps Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 20:39:00 Message-ID: <480.324T272T12392577@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id UAA02984for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 20:38:24 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA19328for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 21:34:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 8f3d8e5e93fe50ebae3d0a843704d789 Gord Clink wrote: >Does anyone know if the Studio16addon project includes the possibility of >creating additional apps for use within Studio16? It doesn't. To achieve that we need developer (API) docs for Studio 16 version 3 (studio.library 4.2 etc.). You can of course create apps to accompany Studio 16 poping up at the same screen, but no direct interfacing. The Studio16 add-on project is containing developer docs on the fileformats pluss tools to handle those. - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From kenny@bgnett.no 20 Jan 98 20:38:25 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1226 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: tdavis Subject: Re: Subscribing Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 20:38:00 Message-ID: <556.324T1251T12382836@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id UAA02972for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 20:38:23 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA19326for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 21:34:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 4282d55b2fe9f16d04da74d158571c3d tdavis wrote: >Now that I'm on the list, is there an archive of previous messages? Not from the majordomo, but I can send you (and anyone else who would like to receive) an UUCP file from my private database. I have stripped out administration messages, binaries and test messages. The file contains just below 500 messages (including today's messages). It will be archived as lha, lzx and zip, let me know what you'd prefer. If you use Thor you just parse the UUCP file into your database with "thor:bin/parseuucp ". - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From kenny@bgnett.no 20 Jan 98 20:35:22 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1227 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: All Subject: List info Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 20:35:00 Message-ID: <1038.324T1136T12352601@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id UAA03029for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 20:38:57 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA19331for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 21:34:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 51660ea917b43acdba8250ccd898af1e If you would like to find out if some of your assossiates or friends are on the list you can send a request to majordomo@thule.no and type 'who studio16' in body text. (We have passed 70 subscribers today). Ok, some general stuff: please try to trim the postings. Trimming the postings will increase readabillity and decrease bandwidth wasted. Also try to keep a max linelength of 76 chars to avoid linewrapping in postings. We have a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions). You can get this FAQ by sending an email to studio16@emrl.com and put 'get faq' in the subject line. You might find some of the question you carry answered in this FAQ. Don't be affraid to come forward if you have something on your mind! Also see email header of any posting on this list for more info. If you are interrested in getting the Studio 16 support archive which contains developer docs (fileformats) and several tools, you can get this archive from Aminet in dev/misc/Studio16add.lha or from Pauli Porkkas web page http://www.iki.fi/~pporkka/ - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From gmula@nwlink.com Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:00:18 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1220 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1228 (database) From: Gary Mula To: McKittrick, Mike T Subject: RE: Recording Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 22:00:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA03830for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 21:00:45 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA19704for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 21:57:17 +0100 To: "McKittrick, Mike T" X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 3cbb955a746da4dc447c487ad023cf9c On 20-Jan-98, McKittrick, Mike T wrote: >I ran a little test >the right channel file was 2048 bytes longer then the >>left channel. I presume the 'file closing' within the multi-tasking >environment (or something similar) is the reason the two files are not >identical sometimes. I think Kennys got it right. -- ------------------------------------------------------- Gary Mula / CALLEYE Productions / The Dutchman Singer-Songwriter / Producer Seattle, Washington, USA Team *AMIGA* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From dhomas@youngmonkey.ca Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:01:18 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1227 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1229 (database) From: dhomas trenn To: Kenny Nilsen Subject: Re: List info Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 23:01:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA03903for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 21:03:19 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA19769for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 21:59:58 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: young monkey studios MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 67c99584a196ab828935f4935686c926 Kenny spoke and whirled like a Dervish divine: > If you are interrested in getting the Studio 16 support archive which > contains developer docs (fileformats) and several tools, you can get this > archive from Aminet in dev/misc/Studio16add.lha or from Pauli Porkkas web > page http://www.iki.fi/~pporkka/ Gee Kenny... have you forgotten about the Studio 16 support site? http://www.youngmonkey.ca/hands/files/Sunrize/index.html -- dhomas. ********************************************************************** * * * young monkey studios EMail: dhomas@youngmonkey.ca * * ---------------- WWW: http://www.youngmonkey.ca/ * * dhomas trenn * * Snail: 797 Mitchell Street * * Fredericton, NB * * Phone: (506) 459-7088 CANADA E3B 3S8 * * * ********************************************************************** --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From MCKITTRM@Mattel.com Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:29:30 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1230 (database) From: McKittrick, Mike T To: 'studio16@thule.no' Subject: RE: Recording Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 22:29:00 Message-ID: <11C089E676D0D011A14C0080D800162165EA05@ESTWR56> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA04607for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 21:31:13 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA20235for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:27:30 +0100 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 919dce953a27668e2b3c9e09a5f642af I said, > >I ran a little test > >the right channel file was 2048 bytes longer then the >>left channel. > I > presume the 'file closing' within the multi-tasking > >environment (or something similar) is the reason the two files are > not > >identical sometimes. > Gary said: > I think Kennys got it right. > Yup, I agree (after re-reading it). -Mike > -- > ------------------------------------------------------- > > Gary Mula / CALLEYE Productions / The Dutchman > Singer-Songwriter / Producer > Seattle, Washington, USA > Team *AMIGA* > > --- > *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ > /info/ > --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From gclink@dryden.net Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:20:57 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1232 (database) From: Gord Clink To: 'studio16@thule.no' Subject: Re: OctaMed SS Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 23:20:01 Message-ID: <01BD25BF.6491CD20@gclink.avenor.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id WAA06397for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:23:25 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA21073for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 23:19:33 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: bastionhost.avenor.com: Host [10.100.240.153] claimed to be gclink.avenor.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id XAA21071 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 2ed1c60ec162a98c90f147b28d473933 Kenny, Since there are some programs, like Dissidents sample editor program (I can't remember what it's called), that can feed sound directly to the cards, or so I hear, are they not interested in sharing this secret or what? Gord Clink You wrote: Unfortunately we don't know (yet) how to feed sound directly to the cards, but a file saver/loader will save much work for us who use OMSS atleast. - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:06:46 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1232 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1233 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Fiends Subject: [S16] Pro Solution for Myopian Urges Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 12:06:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id XAA08160for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 23:12:13 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA21628for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:08:39 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id AAA21626 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: fd16efdfb6854acb2ba7eedc64f64bfe Gord Clink's words on 21-Jan-98: >>Kenny, Since there are some programs, like Dissidents sample editor >>program (I can't remember what it's called), that can feed sound >>directly to the cards, or so I hear, are they not interested in >>sharing this secret or what? Kenny's: >Unfortunately we don't know (yet) how to feed sound directly to the >cards, but a file saver/loader will save much work for us who use OMSS >atleast. -- Is myopia a disfunctional attribute of association with the former Commodore? As I have mentioned more than once in this list: the people at dissidents--publishers of Midi Sample Wrench (www.dissidents.com) seem like good people. But everyone should find out for themselves--by emailing or calling (or snail-tracking to) dissidents and mentioning this list/ project. It won't hurt to mention the use of, or interest in, WRENCH. Kenny can't do it all you know. 8-} And do the same with anyone else who might have some connections. For us to get a modern, useful Studio16 thingie, it is going to take an effort. Some of us here want an integrated environment that can do just about anything a pro expects from ProTools on the Mac, which is the multi-generational big-daddy on the block. So lets get others to realize there is a growing and committed (spending) base of AD516 users who want the real thing. After all the Commodore-era burns these small companies had, is it any wonder they are low-profile in the Amiga [marketplace]? -- *greenboy* RED|GREEN|BLUE MARS - Nebula & Hugo - Kim Stanley Robinson _ // Team NO AMIGA TO WASTE: Help build programs Ami needs! \X/ AMIGA *http://thunderstorms.org/NATW* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1229 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1234 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: dhomas trenn Subject: Re: List info Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 00:32:00 Message-ID: <281.325T1446T322955@bgnett.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) dhomas trenn wrote: >Kenny spoke and whirled like a Dervish divine: >> page http://www.iki.fi/~pporkka/ >Gee Kenny... have you forgotten about the Studio 16 support site? > http://www.youngmonkey.ca/hands/files/Sunrize/index.html Oops, sorry 'bout that one dhomas :-) - Kenny From kenny@bgnett.no 20 Jan 98 22:02:00 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1220 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1236 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: McKittrick, Mike T Subject: RE: Recording Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 22:02:00 Message-ID: <730.324T12T13222293@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id XAA08593for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 23:25:22 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA21826for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:21:47 +0100 To: "McKittrick, Mike T" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: b9241d61eced1f6691c5e5ca7b1a3ddc McKittrick, Mike T wrote: >I ran a little test over the weekend. While recording (from the Recorder >recorder, the right channel file was 2048 bytes longer then the left >channel. I presume the 'file closing' within the multi-tasking I must rather be a last file /write/.. however, interresting size too, 2048 is exact 2kb. Is this always the case ? Those of you who have this problem, has anyone ran the MessageMonitor app ? Perhaps there is a delay when the recorder send a "stop recording" message... What does the last data contain ? nulls or random data etc. ? What filesystem do you use and what disk type SCSI/IDE ? (I am just trying to locate where the problem might be - I don't have this problem myself). - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From kenny@bgnett.no 21 Jan 98 00:32:28 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1229 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1238 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: dhomas trenn Subject: Re: List info Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 00:32:00 Message-ID: <281.325T1446T322955@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id XAA10299for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 23:47:39 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA22080for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:44:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: b84ab8171e80ffe4a8a46d9aa28ab624 dhomas trenn wrote: >Kenny spoke and whirled like a Dervish divine: >> page http://www.iki.fi/~pporkka/ >Gee Kenny... have you forgotten about the Studio 16 support site? > http://www.youngmonkey.ca/hands/files/Sunrize/index.html Oops, sorry 'bout that one dhomas :-) - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From net@dutch.nl Wed, 21 Jan 1998 01:27:19 +0900 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1240 (database) From: Rene' Schaap To: studio16 Subject: RE: RE: Cuelist Questions Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 17:27:00 Message-ID: TCPSMTP_GEN.15708.12490@193.78.25.235 Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id AAA11370for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:29:22 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA22537for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 01:25:48 +0100 X-ROUTED: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 01:29:18 0000 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Net X-Mailer: AEMAIL (Amiga eMail), Version 1.40 (October 10 1997), (c) 1997 by John F. Zacharias Organization: No Empty Tape Productions Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: ea8f3d51301963804ee4b42eddb7f2fe On Sun, Jan 18, 1998, at 02:41 PM, CMM wrote: > >On 05-Jan-98, Kenneth "Kenny" Nilsen wrote: > > >>Ok, I have made a litte tool for this. If you want to edit the crops on > the > >>Cuelist and view the region in the editor this should be useful. What you > >>do: Edit the crops on the cuelist on the entries you want to change. When > >>you want to see them graphically in the editor run the little tool I > made. > >>Then select the samples and start the editor. Choose "Show regions" from > the > >>option menu and select the region named "Cuelist crop". This will show > the > >>range based on the crops you defined on the cuelist. From here you can > >>adjust the region and update it if needed. > > >>Let me know and I can send you the tool - anyone else who'd like to > receive > >>this tool, just let me know. > > > > > Kenny, Send me this too. I'd like to give it a try. Yoo Kenny, sounds interesting program you mentioned, please send it to me it so i can check it out. I will reply my findings in the studio16 mailing list ASAP. SeeYaa Rene'(DSP) Schaap _ ( ) No Empty tape Productions. ------------------------------ Get your Masterplan ready for the interactive decade. Email : net@Dutch.nl Homepage: http://www.dutch.nl/net Voice : 0031 (0)35 52 42 72 0 FAX : 0031 (0)35 52 66 31 7 --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From dhomas@youngmonkey.ca Tue, 20 Jan 1998 20:28:48 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1233 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1241 (database) From: dhomas trenn To: greenboy Subject: Re: [S16] Pro Solution for Myopian Urges Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 02:28:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id AAA11452for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:31:32 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA22561for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 01:28:13 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: young monkey studios MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: f09cab5beee086a6191d1dd2e5f3dee9 greenboy spoke and whirled like a Dervish divine: > As I have mentioned more than once in this list: the people at > dissidents--publishers of Midi Sample Wrench (www.dissidents.com) seem > like good people. But everyone should find out for themselves--by emailing I didn't think MSW could play back on AD516... only load Studio16 format audio files - BIG DIFFERENCE. The developer's documentation for most of the audio file format has been available for awhile. -- dhomas. ********************************************************************** * * * young monkey studios EMail: dhomas@youngmonkey.ca * * ---------------- WWW: http://www.youngmonkey.ca/ * * dhomas trenn * * Snail: 797 Mitchell Street * * Fredericton, NB * * Phone: (506) 459-7088 CANADA E3B 3S8 * * * ********************************************************************** --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:02:42 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1241 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1242 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Fiends Subject: [S16] Forward Into The Past Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 14:02:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id BAA12245for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 01:04:41 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA22980for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 02:01:20 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id CAA22978 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 7c87b757f32a6f3a980ad79199e6e579 > = dhomas trenn's words on 21-Jan-98: >I didn't think MSW could play back on AD516... only load Studio16 >format audio files - BIG DIFFERENCE. The developer's documentation for >most of the audio file format has been available for awhile. -- A Crazy Little Thing Called ARexx... -- *greenboy* RED|GREEN|BLUE MARS - Nebula & Hugo - Kim Stanley Robinson _ // Team NO AMIGA TO WASTE: Help build programs Ami needs! \X/ AMIGA *http://thunderstorms.org/NATW* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From dhomas@youngmonkey.ca Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:06:46 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1242 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1243 (database) From: dhomas trenn To: greenboy Subject: Re: [S16] Forward Into The Past Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 04:06:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id CAA13473for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 02:08:49 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA23657for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 03:04:59 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: young monkey studios MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 5090fa91e285573fe33612a0fdbdee12 greenboy spoke and whirled like a Dervish divine: > >I didn't think MSW could play back on AD516... only load Studio16 > >format audio files - BIG DIFFERENCE. The developer's documentation for > >most of the audio file format has been available for awhile. > A Crazy Little Thing Called ARexx... That's not direct playback support for the AD516... not even close. For that matter, Turbotext also has support for the AD516. -- dhomas. ********************************************************************** * * * young monkey studios EMail: dhomas@youngmonkey.ca * * ---------------- WWW: http://www.youngmonkey.ca/ * * dhomas trenn * * Snail: 797 Mitchell Street * * Fredericton, NB * * Phone: (506) 459-7088 CANADA E3B 3S8 * * * ********************************************************************** --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From baff@mindspring.com Tue, 20 Jan 1998 21:06:24 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1226 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1245 (database) From: Brian Fields To: Kenny Nilsen Subject: Re: Subscribing Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 17:06:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id CAA13718for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 02:24:32 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA23883for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 03:21:12 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 9157e00c329d498f37665fe3c801ba1a On 21-Jan-98, Kenny Nilsen wrote: >tdavis wrote: >>Now that I'm on the list, is there an archive of previous messages? >Not from the majordomo, but I can send you (and anyone else who would like >to receive) an UUCP file from my private database. I have stripped out >administration messages, binaries and test messages. The file contains just >below 500 messages (including today's messages). It will be archived as lha, >lzx and zip, let me know what you'd prefer. >If you use Thor you just parse the UUCP file into your database with >"thor:bin/parseuucp ". Thanks Kenny, I would like one. Brian --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Tue, 20 Jan 1998 19:56:25 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1243 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1246 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Fiends Subject: [S16] The WORLD marches on... Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 15:56:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id CAA14174for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 02:59:34 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA24260for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 03:56:08 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id DAA24253 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 41cda611a162593e5ff8bd7fbd274775 > = dhomas trenn's words on 21-Jan-98: >I didn't think MSW could play back on AD516... only load Studio16 >format audio files - BIG DIFFERENCE. The developer's documentation for >most of the audio file format has been available for awhile. greenboy sez: A Crazy Little Thing Called ARexx... >That's not direct playback support for the AD516... not even close. >For that matter, Turbotext also has support for the AD516. -- So now YOU are the judge of what support is valid support? WRENCH from /years/ ago still has better support than many of the fudgy little one- use tools I have seen discussed. It's easy to use, does its intended job, which is to audition samples that are being edited by WRENCH /without/ /having to save out/--and it works correctly. So go ahead and edit samples in TurboText or a hex-editor or whatever it is you propose. Meanwhile music-editing and sound-for-video on other platforms will continue to march forward. Who knows, maybe rexx-like intercommunication will become all the rage there, as has (1)animation (2)video (3)multimedia (4)pre-emptive multitasking and (5)more than a few colors. (Rumor: people are editing, processing, and storing sound in *greater* than 16 bits now). Get educated. Then maybe we can give ourselves a greater sound-tool and have more fun. -- *greenboy* RED|GREEN|BLUE MARS - Nebula & Hugo - Kim Stanley Robinson _ // Team NO AMIGA TO WASTE: Help build programs Ami needs! \X/ AMIGA *http://thunderstorms.org/NATW* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1242 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1248 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: greenboy Subject: Re: [S16] Forward Into The Past Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 04:51:00 Message-ID: <1435.325T699T2912728@bgnett.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) greenboy wrote: > A Crazy Little Thing Called ARexx... Hi, I actually started a project a year ago called "KStudio.library". This library interfaced to Arexx and used the arexx comands of Studio 16. However, due to a bug in the arexx environment it sometimes crashed when closing files and therefor where useless. Otherwise it could solve (atleast temporarly) the problem of lacking play capability. Another limitation was that it could not play from RAM without some nify timing routines which would not be possible due to how arexx works. :-/ What I did was to format the args from the library call into an arexx message and sent it and waited for a return which I reformatted and gave back to user. As you see it would also be slower than programming arexx directly (I was desperate.. ;) Do you know how the Sample Wrench uses the Arexx comands ? If the 4.2 (Studio 16 3.x) library was compatible with the old 2.x there had been no problem today. I aslo know that the Scala EX module is limited to only play from disk (Disk IO module) and not memory. I think actually Studio 16's own Disk IO module is the only program I have seen capable of doing that (memory<->dsp buffering). :-/ Therefor we need one person that knows the v3 system. Mr Ben Fuller, do you read this ? Are you interrested and do you have time to help us on this one? What do you guys think of paying for the capability (f.ex. an AHI driver) ? - Kenny From gmula@nwlink.com Tue, 20 Jan 1998 19:24:49 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1236 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1249 (database) From: Gary Mula To: Kenny Nilsen Subject: RE: Recording Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 04:24:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id DAA14594for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 03:25:22 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA24481for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 04:21:53 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: b1bf19e060396844a8d8967ac3eecde5 On 20-Jan-98, Kenny Nilsen wrote: >I must rather be a last file /write/.. however, interresting size too, 2048 >is exact 2kb. Is this always the case ? No, not for me. It seems erratic...from 2k up to 8k for me. I have two Amigas that both do it. I don't know that I would call this a problem as it doesn't seem to effect anything, and only happens using the recorder which I only use as a "button on" way of monitoring my input while recording into the cuelist. >Those of you who have this problem, >has anyone ran the MessageMonitor app ? Perhaps there is a delay when the >recorder send a "stop recording" message... Haven't tried this. >What filesystem do you use and what disk type SCSI/IDE ? I'm using FFS and SCSI with both my 3000 and 4000. Recording to RAM gets the same results ------------------------------------------------------- Gary Mula / CALLEYE Productions / The Dutchman Singer-Songwriter / Producer Seattle, Washington, USA Team *AMIGA* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From dhomas@youngmonkey.ca Tue, 20 Jan 1998 23:47:55 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1246 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1250 (database) From: dhomas trenn To: greenboy Subject: The WORLD marches on... Bill Cosby would say SO? Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 05:47:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id DAA14921for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 03:49:32 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA24772for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 04:46:10 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: young monkey studios MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id EAA24764 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: dcd54b3c29366bf758d12a55a52a1055 greenboy spoke and whirled like a Dervish divine: > use tools I have seen discussed. It's easy to use, does its intended job, > which is to audition samples that are being edited by WRENCH /without/ > /having to save out/--and it works correctly. Please, send me this ARexx script. I'm very curious as to how it uses ARexx to playback sounds in memory with an AD516. This could be a very important thing to see. (Or I could be half asleep and missing something key here). > Meanwhile music-editing and sound-for-video on other platforms will > continue to march forward. Who knows, maybe rexx-like intercommunication > will become all the rage there, as has (1)animation (2)video (3)multimedia Has already started... > (4)pre-emptive multitasking and (5)more than a few colors. (Rumor: people > are editing, processing, and storing sound in *greater* than 16 bits now). It's not a rumour... It's kind of pointless to store sounds in greater than 16 bit. Well, not totally true, but close enough. Just like it's pointless to sample at higher than 44.1 or 48 K. But then Coke does taste different than Pepsi. Or doesn't it? I wouldn't know, I don't drink either. As for processing sounds in greater than 16 bit... the Amiga (as other platforms have, too) has had software for a long time that does this. If Studio16 had any effects processing of it's own, it would likely do it too. Processing in 32 bits or more is very common, for the very important reason that it decreasses calculation errors (overflows). > Get educated. Then maybe we can give ourselves a greater sound-tool and > have more fun. Now, that's a personal stab at me... not at a software package. This is pretty childish. I'm pretty sure that I know more about sound and the Amiga than most Amigans. If it wasn't for ME, Kenny would never have started this Studio 16 project. Ask him! Of course, now he probably blaims me for it having taken over his life! :) As for Sample Wrench... well, you should have a look at SoundFX. -- dhomas. ********************************************************************** * * * young monkey studios EMail: dhomas@youngmonkey.ca * * ---------------- WWW: http://www.youngmonkey.ca/ * * dhomas trenn * * Snail: 797 Mitchell Street * * Fredericton, NB * * Phone: (506) 459-7088 CANADA E3B 3S8 * * * ********************************************************************** --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From gmula@nwlink.com Tue, 20 Jan 1998 19:49:09 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1232 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1251 (database) From: Gary Mula To: Gord Clink & Serge Guilbert Subject: Syncing to Tape Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 04:49:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id DAA14926for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 03:49:36 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA24777for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 04:46:16 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no Gord: glad to hear your sync problems went away. I'd say X-UIDL: a4733d61a67b14c369e5f168a9cb855e you were lucky. As my earlier post suggested, syncing to a tape deck can get dicey. Serge: thanks as well for your detailed post on syncing to tape. Going to a stand alone smpte generator was the next thing I was going to try but never got around to it. I have to say though that my trouble shooting didn't bring me to the same conclusion about the Sunrize SMPTE Output. I drive a second AD516 card in a 3000, using SMPTE Output running on my 4000 all day long. In fact I alternate which machine is the master depending on which set of tracks I am working on at the time, and I have never had slippage or the famous "Your SMPTE source is running too fast or slow for Studio16" prompt. Actually I take that back, sometimes if a machine has been chasing SMPTE that has been stopped at the source, after ten minutes or more (this is rare but has happened) I will get the prompt. Mind you this is when there in no SMPTE present at all. The moral of your storey I thought was "if you are going to sync to tape, make sure your deck is in top running order". In my case, a new "rotary head deck" as refered to by Mr. Greenboy, will deliver that rock solid sync that Studio16 so craves. ------------------------------------------------------- Gary Mula / CALLEYE Productions / The Dutchman Singer-Songwriter / Producer Seattle, Washington, USA Team *AMIGA* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From kenny@bgnett.no 21 Jan 98 04:51:13 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1242 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1252 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: greenboy Subject: Re: [S16] Forward Into The Past Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 04:51:00 Message-ID: <1435.325T699T2912728@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id DAA15077for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 03:57:04 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA24920for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 04:53:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 935bed69eab445558535e79f66d37851 greenboy wrote: > A Crazy Little Thing Called ARexx... Hi, I actually started a project a year ago called "KStudio.library". This library interfaced to Arexx and used the arexx comands of Studio 16. However, due to a bug in the arexx environment it sometimes crashed when closing files and therefor where useless. Otherwise it could solve (atleast temporarly) the problem of lacking play capability. Another limitation was that it could not play from RAM without some nify timing routines which would not be possible due to how arexx works. :-/ What I did was to format the args from the library call into an arexx message and sent it and waited for a return which I reformatted and gave back to user. As you see it would also be slower than programming arexx directly (I was desperate.. ;) Do you know how the Sample Wrench uses the Arexx comands ? If the 4.2 (Studio 16 3.x) library was compatible with the old 2.x there had been no problem today. I aslo know that the Scala EX module is limited to only play from disk (Disk IO module) and not memory. I think actually Studio 16's own Disk IO module is the only program I have seen capable of doing that (memory<->dsp buffering). :-/ Therefor we need one person that knows the v3 system. Mr Ben Fuller, do you read this ? Are you interrested and do you have time to help us on this one? What do you guys think of paying for the capability (f.ex. an AHI driver) ? - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From brandib@wilson.ca Mon, 21 Jan 2008 00:14:10 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1253 (database) From: Brandi Brisson To: studio16 Subject: Re: Paying for AHI Date: Mon, 21 Jan 8 07:14:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id FAA16412for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 05:12:58 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA25969for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 06:09:21 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 397974c7f8d623aca45925b9bc9f08d9 Kenny, I would pay for an AHI driver for sure..... and I would pay for anything significant that enhances Studio16 itself as well!! I hope I am speaking for everyone else here too... .we cant expect the best and not pay for it!!!! Gord Clink --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1253 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1254 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Brandi Brisson Subject: Re: Paying for AHI Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 06:30:00 Message-ID: <643.325T895T3902828@bgnett.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Brandi Brisson wrote: >Kenny, I would pay for an AHI driver for sure..... and I would pay for >anything significant that enhances Studio16 itself as well!! I hope I am >speaking for everyone else here too... .we cant expect the best and not pay >for it!!!! I will not be the one to deside. I hope it will be free too. If I could make it I would certainly make it for free, but I hope Mr. Fuller will consider "helping us out". There are, as I have mentioned, 70 people on the list and I think a large percent of us are interrested in an AHI driver. I would like to hear from Mr Fuller himself what how he view things.. Mr Fuller ? - Kenny From kenny@bgnett.no 21 Jan 98 06:30:17 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1253 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1255 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Brandi Brisson Subject: Re: Paying for AHI Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 06:30:00 Message-ID: <643.325T895T3902828@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id FAA16745for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 05:34:10 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA26327for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 06:30:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: a482d9abd3852f8b5efa29ed19a3357d Brandi Brisson wrote: >Kenny, I would pay for an AHI driver for sure..... and I would pay for >anything significant that enhances Studio16 itself as well!! I hope I am >speaking for everyone else here too... .we cant expect the best and not pay >for it!!!! I will not be the one to deside. I hope it will be free too. If I could make it I would certainly make it for free, but I hope Mr. Fuller will consider "helping us out". There are, as I have mentioned, 70 people on the list and I think a large percent of us are interrested in an AHI driver. I would like to hear from Mr Fuller himself what how he view things.. Mr Fuller ? - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From turk@gulftel.com Tue, 20 Jan 1998 00:21:24 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1253 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1256 (database) From: CMM To: Brandi Brisson Subject: Re: Paying for AHI Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 07:21:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id GAA17441for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 06:23:27 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA26866for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 07:19:57 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: CMM MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 43aba34230b06445e4c67a20f7fa2bce On 21-Jan-08, Brandi Brisson wrote: >Kenny, I would pay for an AHI driver for sure..... and I would pay for >anything significant that enhances Studio16 itself as well!! I hope I am >speaking for everyone else here too... .we cant expect the best and not pay >for it!!!! >Gord Clink I too would pay for an AHI drive. I responded to a post to this effect on USENET months ago and still haven't seen anything yet! I can't remember who posted the thread though. Also, I had contacted Martin Blum over a year ago regarding this and he said he'd love to, but would need the developer docs for 3.x. I tried for months to get hold of them and was contacted by an individulal that said he had 3.x dev docs, but was unsure about copying them for me because of a non-disclosure agreement he had signed with Sunrize Industries. Anyway, after several email he finally copied them and mailed them to me. Unfortunately, they turned out to be dev docs for 1.x. :( Anyway, perhaps they never existed as some have said. >--- >*** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:53:38 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1250 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1257 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Fiends Subject: [S16] Don't tread on me says Bart Simpson Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 18:53:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id GAA17607for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 06:35:32 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA27030for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 07:32:13 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id HAA27028 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 317a201e14f95c2c3e367619a1da7fc6 > = dhomas trenn's words on 21-Jan-98: >>which is to audition samples that are being edited by WRENCH /without/ >>/having to save out/--and it works correctly. >Please, send me this ARexx script. I'm very curious as to how it uses >ARexx to playback sounds in memory with an AD516. This could be a very >important thing to see. (Or I could be half asleep and missing This is a commercial program. Perhaps you should check it out as a demo or buy it. Especially if you have stated opinions about it without ever having checked it out. Talk to the programmer. Of course, the more /modern/ version is on Windoze and NT. The Amiga version is several years old. (If only everybody was serious enough to buy the stuff, we could probably have more top-level developers interested in the Amiga again. But it would take some convincing after all the debacles and the high attrition rate.) >It's not a rumour... It's kind of pointless to store sounds in greater >than 16 bit. Well, not totally true, but close enough. Just like it's >pointless to sample at higher than 44.1 or 48 K. But then Coke does >taste different than Pepsi. Or doesn't it? I wouldn't know, I don't Of course it isn't a rumor! And I guess your ears are more golden than all those guys that have been mastering since the days of vinyl. They insist in 20 and 24-bit storage. Maybe you have never noticed "noise-floor" effects before. Or zippering. Or seen how many people have looked for algorythms to dither sound during fades to and from the noise-floor. Not to mention signal-to-noise ratios. (As far as I know, music is more sublime, and worthy of closer inspection and philosophizing than any cola product I am aware of. At one time I recall guys saying we didn't "need" more than 4096 colors, or larger screen displays. I hope I wasn't one of them. ;-) I bet several here on the list would enjoy a higher spec, and be capable of hearing and using it-- >As for processing sounds in greater than 16 bit... the Amiga (as other >platforms have, too) has had software for a long time that does this. >important reason that it decreasses calculation errors (overflows). Part of my point! And this is also one of the reasons to store sound in higher bits. So that each time it goes through a save or store until it reaches the final master and even onto archival, it will not suffer from conversions and processing rounding-errors. Read articles in EQ and Mix, go to AES, etc. >>Get educated. Then maybe we can give ourselves a greater sound-tool and >>have more fun. >Now, that's a personal stab at me... not at a software package. This is >pretty childish. I'm pretty sure that I know more about sound and the >Amiga than most Amigans. If it wasn't for ME, Kenny would never have >started this Studio 16 project. Ask him! Of course, now he probably >blaims me for it having taken over his life! :) No more personal than you were previous to my reply. Just more upfront about it. I applaud Kenny's efforts. But this has nothing to do with a personal stab or software package(s). It is about seeing things for what they are. ===== We All Suffered from Big-Daddy Gould & Uncle Mehdi, and the Foster Homes Afterwards ===== The Amiga community has tendencies found in the families of hard-core abusers. Some members of the family make apologies for the deficiencies, deny they exist, change the subject; try to draw the attention elsewhere. But if we want to solve the problems (and I do!) we have to acknowledge they exist, and find successful models to study, emulate, or improve upon. >As for Sample Wrench... well, you should have a look at SoundFX. Yeah, I'm probably buying it. If it's got the goods. Otherwise perhaps Roland, Emu, Akai, or Apple and Digidesign. Even though I love the Amiga and all that it has stood for. -- *greenboy* RED|GREEN|BLUE MARS - Nebula & Hugo - Kim Stanley Robinson _ // Team NO AMIGA TO WASTE: Help build programs Ami needs! \X/ AMIGA *http://thunderstorms.org/NATW* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Tue, 20 Jan 1998 23:33:23 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1252 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1258 (database) From: greenboy To: Kenny Nilsen Subject: [S16] Pay the Piper, Dance into the Future Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 19:33:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id GAA17612for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 06:35:42 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA27038for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 07:32:24 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id HAA27036 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: db8208c7fdb1cf2db1d9f4a5d68f446e > = Kenny Nilsen's words on 21-Jan-98: >greenboy wrote: >> A Crazy Little Thing Called ARexx... >Hi, Hey. >I actually started a project a year ago called "KStudio.library". This >library interfaced to Arexx and used the arexx comands of Studio 16. >Do you know how the Sample Wrench uses the Arexx comands ? No. I would talk to dissidents. But I believe most programs that depend on timing merely have internal processes do the actual jobs. The ARexx commands they design are merely to communicate to the program to do it, not the actual agents of the process. But I don't program in any language from this era well enough to understand . >If the 4.2 (Studio 16 3.x) library was compatible with the old 2.x there had >been no problem today. I aslo know that the Scala EX module is limited to >only play from disk (Disk IO module) and not memory. I think actually Studio >16's own Disk IO module is the only program I have seen capable of doing >that (memory<->dsp buffering). :-/ >Therefor we need one person that knows the v3 system. Mr Ben Fuller, do you >read this ? Are you interrested and do you have time to help us on this one? >What do you guys think of paying for the capability (f.ex. an AHI driver) ? Kenny, I am totally convinced that the scope of the project is so huge, at least the way I envision it, that it would be negligent NOT to pay for it. I want the real stuff. I want the developer to feel compensated enough to continue to grow a killer-mondo-monster-shredder. The best the hardware is capable of delivering... -- *greenboy* RED|GREEN|BLUE MARS - Nebula & Hugo - Kim Stanley Robinson _ // Team NO AMIGA TO WASTE: Help build programs Ami needs! \X/ AMIGA *http://thunderstorms.org/NATW* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From gmula@nwlink.com Tue, 20 Jan 1998 23:03:41 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1252 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1259 (database) From: Gary Mula To: Kenny Nilsen Subject: Re: [S16] Forward Into The Past Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 08:03:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id HAA18035for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 07:04:16 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA27405for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:00:48 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: f1aa79888fdbb7910affe3fd1ab308fb On 20-Jan-98, Kenny Nilsen wrote: >What do you guys think of paying for the capability (f.ex. an AHI driver) ? Of course...I'm in all the way! -- ------------------------------------------------------- Gary Mula / CALLEYE Productions / The Dutchman Singer-Songwriter / Producer Seattle, Washington, USA Team *AMIGA* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From baff@mindspring.com Wed, 21 Jan 1998 03:12:18 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1252 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1260 (database) From: Brian Fields To: Kenny Nilsen Subject: Re: [S16] Forward Into The Past Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 23:12:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id IAA20760for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:47:58 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA28577for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:44:20 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 99552fdb9d19aa027292c7edba80e8f9 On 21-Jan-98, Kenny Nilsen wrote: >What do you guys think of paying for the capability (f.ex. an AHI driver) ? >- Kenny >--- >*** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ I would pay also. Brian baff@mindspring.com --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1258 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1261 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: greenboy Subject: Re: [S16] Pay the Piper, Dance into the Future Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 17:12:00 Message-ID: <585.325T462T10322163@bgnett.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) greenboy wrote: >No. I would talk to dissidents. But I believe most programs that depend on You're right. If not someone else has plans to do so I'll put it on my TODO list. FYI: I just contacted Sound FX author as well. He already support Studio 16 samples, but it's more detailed stuff like sampleclip support etc. >I want the real stuff. I want the developer to feel compensated enough to >continue to grow a killer-mondo-monster-shredder. The best the hardware is >capable of delivering... Agreed. I think we can see many interresting projects if we get this option. - Kenny From gclink@dryden.net Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:19:45 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1262 (database) From: Gord Clink To: 'studio16@thule.no' Subject: Doobie's Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 15:19:00 Message-ID: <01BD2645.58C44AA0@gclink.avenor.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id OAA04613for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:21:45 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA32394for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:18:02 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: bastionhost.avenor.com: Host [10.100.240.153] claimed to be gclink.avenor.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id PAA32390 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 81c2ca12ccff5e1fcca7434a28eb6383 This is a little off topic, but does anyone know if John McFee from the Doobies actually used Studio16, or was that just expensive advertising? (just for curiosities sake) Gord Clink --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From turk@gulftel.com Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:32:39 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1262 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1263 (database) From: CMM To: Gord Clink Subject: Re: Doobie's Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 15:32:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from torget.bgnett.no (torget.bgnett.no [194.19.41.3])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id OAA05084for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:34:47 GMT Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by torget.bgnett.no (8.8.6/8.8.5/brage) with ESMTP id PAA20721for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:34:46 +0100 (MET) Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA32601for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:31:13 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: CMM MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: a3a1316bbe1f940e91c1ee725929cffe On 21-Jan-98, Gord Clink wrote: >This is a little off topic, but does anyone know if John McFee from the >Doobies actually used Studio16, or was that just expensive advertising? (just >for curiosities sake) Don't really know, but I assume he in fact did and perhaps still does! Why, wouldn't he have used an AD516. It was the absolute best thing available, and *nothing* could touch it! >Gord Clink >--- >*** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From dhomas@youngmonkey.ca Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:33:45 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1257 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1264 (database) From: dhomas trenn To: greenboy Subject: ARexx script for Sample Wrench??? Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 16:33:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id OAA05119for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:35:29 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA32619for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:32:08 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: young monkey studios MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id PAA32616 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: b00379bf2258b2dbef35d7eb3e2872e0 greenboy spoke and whirled like a Dervish divine: > >>which is to audition samples that are being edited by WRENCH /without/ > >>/having to save out/--and it works correctly. > >Please, send me this ARexx script. I'm very curious as to how it uses > >ARexx to playback sounds in memory with an AD516. This could be a very > >important thing to see. (Or I could be half asleep and missing > This is a commercial program. Perhaps you should check it out as a demo or > buy it. Especially if you have stated opinions about it without ever I'm talking about the arexx script not Sample Wrench itself. The ARexx script is likely to be text, tell us what it says and maybe we can do something with it. If they wanted to keep the technique a secret it wouldn't have been done as an arexx script... if it had to be arexx, they'd have just implemented it internally so nobody would know how it was done. I've seen the demo of Sample Wrench and the purchased version, neither version had an arexx script for the AD516... this must have been added later. -- dhomas. ********************************************************************** * * * young monkey studios EMail: dhomas@youngmonkey.ca * * ---------------- WWW: http://www.youngmonkey.ca/ * * dhomas trenn * * Snail: 797 Mitchell Street * * Fredericton, NB * * Phone: (506) 459-7088 CANADA E3B 3S8 * * * ********************************************************************** --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From doncox@enterprise.net Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:19:48 -0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1259 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1266 (database) From: Don Cox To: Gary Mula Subject: Re: [S16] Forward Into The Past Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 16:19:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id PAA07121for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:33:06 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA00448for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:29:43 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: c3a06484516c4c20085e3ab60cf0254b >On 20-Jan-98, Kenny Nilsen wrote: >>What do you guys think of paying for the capability (f.ex. an AHI driver) ? Definitely worth paying for. -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From gclink@dryden.net Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:45:46 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1267 (database) From: Gord Clink To: 'studio16@thule.no' Subject: Re: SMPTEout Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 16:45:00 Message-ID: <01BD2651.5999CCA0@gclink.avenor.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id PAA07636for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:47:22 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA00656for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:44:00 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: bastionhost.avenor.com: Host [10.100.240.153] claimed to be gclink.avenor.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id QAA00650 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: ccb5ea415c09f238452d02c74c04fd0c Well, my "SMPTE Too Slow or Too Fast" error has reappeared, so I guess I'll have to try Serge's "Rock Solid Generator" idea after-all..... I'll let everyone know how I make out so we can put this problem to rest..... Gord Clink --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From kenny@bgnett.no 21 Jan 98 17:12:09 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1258 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1269 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: greenboy Subject: Re: [S16] Pay the Piper, Dance into the Future Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 17:12:00 Message-ID: <585.325T462T10322163@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id QAA08974for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:20:00 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA00979for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:16:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: f5d39c9ea4509185172123b81238f302 greenboy wrote: >No. I would talk to dissidents. But I believe most programs that depend on You're right. If not someone else has plans to do so I'll put it on my TODO list. FYI: I just contacted Sound FX author as well. He already support Studio 16 samples, but it's more detailed stuff like sampleclip support etc. >I want the real stuff. I want the developer to feel compensated enough to >continue to grow a killer-mondo-monster-shredder. The best the hardware is >capable of delivering... Agreed. I think we can see many interresting projects if we get this option. - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From gclink@dryden.net Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:03:31 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1270 (database) From: Gord Clink To: 'studio16@thule.no' Subject: Estimated No. Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 18:03:00 Message-ID: <01BD265C.36360AC0@gclink.avenor.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA10301for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:05:29 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA01406for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:02:00 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: bastionhost.avenor.com: Host [10.100.240.153] claimed to be gclink.avenor.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id SAA01404 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: c3a9f8af18699a42395c7b40196bb61e I wonder what the Studio16 user base is! Does anyone have an estimate? If we knew how may boards were sold, this would help justify (or not-justify), additional work on Studio16 based on payment for results. Maybe this mailing list could be advertised on Amiga Web Directory or something! What does everyone else think? Gord Clink --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:33:53 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1270 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1271 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Fiends Subject: [S16] How Many to Screw in a Light Bulb? Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 06:33:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA11313for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:37:32 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA01837for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:34:15 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id SAA01834 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 314d967f6e733e8c7315b3e93cfa20fa > = Gord Clink's words on 21-Jan-98: >I wonder what the Studio16 user base is! Does anyone have an estimate? If >we knew how may boards were sold, this would help justify (or not >justify), additional work on Studio16 based on payment for results. Maybe >this mailing list could be advertised on Amiga Web Directory or something! >What does everyone else think? -- I don't care which celebrities have used or not used Studio16, and unless the number is forthcoming from a former Sunrize employee (doubtful)--I don't care how many people report that they have the AD516. As a dealer before The Apocolypse, I got the impression that Sunrize was very well installed, and quite a few in the hands of working professionals. But I am sure the majority of them are now using other tools on other platforms. So if you need a head count for justification, I would say: make up a high number if your *heart* is in this; make up a low number if this is a venture for beancounters. -- *greenboy* RED|GREEN|BLUE MARS - Nebula & Hugo - Kim Stanley Robinson _ // Team NO AMIGA TO WASTE: Help build programs Ami needs! \X/ AMIGA *http://thunderstorms.org/NATW* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From gclink@dryden.net Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:13:52 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1272 (database) From: Gord Clink To: 'studio16@thule.no' Subject: RE: [S16] How Many to Screw in a Light Bulb? Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 20:13:01 Message-ID: <01BD266E.6B46C4E0@gclink.avenor.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id TAA14682for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:26:20 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA03157for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:22:56 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: bastionhost.avenor.com: Host [10.100.240.153] claimed to be gclink.avenor.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id UAA03155 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 6160baf58aed54244785fd551cad90aa Greenboy wrote: But I am sure the majority of them are now using other tools on other platforms. So if you need a head count for justification, I would say: make up a high number if your *heart* is in this; make up a low number if this is a venture for beancounters. -- I don't think you are being realistic Greenboy. I am very serious about this, and if you were too, you would realize that money talks. If you really truly want some action, then do a little research and find reasons to make the people who don't care what happens to Studio16 to care instead! I'm talking about people like Ben Fuller, and other's from the origional Sunrize team. I'm a 100% Amiga all the way, and have been for 11 years! But one thing I noticed, is the majority of Amiga users don't want to pay for software, and that's why companies like Sunrize constantly abandon the platform. Not everyone in the world is in love with the Amiga like most of us, but that doesn't mean we can't benifit from some excellent programmers that actually want to get paid for their work. The bottom line is, I am only trying to come up with some idea's that will let us get what we want, and that is... continued support and development of the Studio16 non-linear editing system! Gord Clink --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From studio16-owner@odin.thule.no Tue Jan 20 05:35:07 1998 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1273 (database) From: Brrr To: studio16 Subject: Re: SMPTE Generator Accuracy Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 05:54:00 Message-ID: <131ef24.34c42e10@aol.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from torget.bgnett.no (torget.bgnett.no [194.19.41.3])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id FAA19858for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 05:35:06 GMT Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by torget.bgnett.no (8.8.6/8.8.5/brage) with ESMTP id GAA24730for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 06:35:06 +0100 (MET) Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA12566for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 06:28:07 +0100 Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no In a message dated 1/19/98 3:06:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, gmula@nwlink.com writes: << This is a very common problem. Through many hours, days, and weeks of frustrating trouble shooting with my system, I've come to the conclusion that studio16 is not able to handle the wow and flutter that is present in all tape decks. >> I have also had this same problem while using a separate Midiman, "Time Window" SMPTE TC generator (recorded on a VCR's AFM audio track (no W & F)). When I replaced it with a generator having better accuracy (In this case, a Denecke "Sync Box" generator), the problem disappeared. Moral being: Not all SMPTE Time-Code generators are created equal. Burr Huntington --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From studio16-owner@odin.thule.no Wed Jan 21 18:40:43 1998 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1252 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1274 (database) From: Norman Austin To: Kenny Nilsen Subject: Re: [S16] Forward Into The Past Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 07:05:00 Message-ID: <140.325T21T6652061@sprynet.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA13497for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:40:42 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA02686for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:37:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no >What do you guys think of paying for the capability (f.ex. an AHI driver) ? Kenny, I'd pay. Norman Austin naustin@sprynet.com --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From studio16-owner@odin.thule.no Tue Jan 20 10:39:31 1998 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1275 (database) From: John Rice To: studio16 Subject: Re: SMPTEout -Reply Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 11:38:00 Message-ID: <34C47E97.2C0C22D6@worldnet.att.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from torget.bgnett.no (torget.bgnett.no [194.19.41.3])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id KAA27205for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:39:31 GMT Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by torget.bgnett.no (8.8.6/8.8.5/brage) with ESMTP id LAA03895for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:39:30 +0100 (MET) Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA14570for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:32:27 +0100 Organization: Ib Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no Lots of good info there Serge! ;-) I've yet to try to sync up my Tascam 38 to my Amiga / Sunrize / BP setup yet ( I've been TO !@#$@$$% busy! ) but you advice will come in handy. One thing Gord and others ( me too ) might benefit from is a CD that has SMPTE on it. I think Prosonus' test disk CD has 30 minutes of SMPTE time code on it and there may be others. I don't have one but a few years ago it was about $70 I think. Probably less than a hardware device!? Good luck all, I've been enjoying lurking in the email! ;-) ImJohn@worldnet.att.net .......I play drums. --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From studio16-owner@odin.thule.no Wed Jan 21 19:26:28 1998 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1257 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1276 (database) From: Bohus Blahut To: Studio16 Fiends Subject: paying the AHI piper Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 20:01:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id TAA14687for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:26:28 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA03167for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:23:13 +0100 X-Sender: bohus@typhoon MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no I am also part of the throng that would pay money for an AHI driver, or any significant modern tool for Studio 16, or AMiga audio in gerneral. Despite recent audio improvements announced by the DraCo people, I forsee depending on Studio 16's flexibility for a long time yet! Bohus Blahut (BOH-hoosh BLAH-hoot) Bohus@xnet.com Modern Filmmaker vox/fax: 773.465.5158 director- The Vantage Point "Imitation is the sincerest form of copyright infringement" -BB --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1272 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1277 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Gord Clink Subject: RE: [S16] How Many to Screw in a Light Bulb? Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 20:51:00 Message-ID: <778.325T1332T12512781@bgnett.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Gord Clink wrote: >Greenboy wrote: >the people who don't care what happens to Studio16 to care instead! I'm >talking about people like Ben Fuller, and other's from the origional Sunrize >team. I'm a 100% Amiga all the way, and have been for 11 years! But one Actually, Ben Fuller is on this list - therefor I have tried to get his view on the situation and if he see any hope to achieve seomthing. Unfortunaltely, at the very same time I have got some bounces from his ISP due to a relay problem, but it seem to be fixed now. >The bottom line is, I am only trying to come up with some idea's that will >let us get what we want, and that is... continued support and development of Ideas are good! Let 'em coming :-) If anyone carry ideas let us hear about them! - Kenny From kenny@bgnett.no 21 Jan 98 20:51:26 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1272 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1278 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Gord Clink Subject: RE: [S16] How Many to Screw in a Light Bulb? Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 20:51:00 Message-ID: <778.325T1332T12512781@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA18487for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:36:37 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA05027for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:31:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 69b799a513a1b8f9c787aecbf4b2c3c4 Gord Clink wrote: >Greenboy wrote: >the people who don't care what happens to Studio16 to care instead! I'm >talking about people like Ben Fuller, and other's from the origional Sunrize >team. I'm a 100% Amiga all the way, and have been for 11 years! But one Actually, Ben Fuller is on this list - therefor I have tried to get his view on the situation and if he see any hope to achieve seomthing. Unfortunaltely, at the very same time I have got some bounces from his ISP due to a relay problem, but it seem to be fixed now. >The bottom line is, I am only trying to come up with some idea's that will >let us get what we want, and that is... continued support and development of Ideas are good! Let 'em coming :-) If anyone carry ideas let us hear about them! - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:05:31 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1279 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Fiends Subject: [S16] Thats Not Mine To Give Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 10:05:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA19198for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:55:30 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA05372for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:52:03 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id WAA05368 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 9076a0b36ad99389048ea1dd7845d3af Reply to young monkey (21-Jan): The ARexx script from dissidents' SampleWrench is not mine to give. I would have thought that someone in the biz would have a firmer grasp of intellectual property-rights. If your reasoning that just because it isn't binary or hex, it's up for grabs...well, let's all plunder your website for anything that isn't bolted down... I have said it repeatedly: contact dissidents; they are nice people and I'm sure they will respond. (I didn't get to be an older monkey by publicly posting other people's code without permission.) (Yes, it is still code...) -- *greenboy* RED|GREEN|BLUE MARS - Nebula & Hugo - Kim Stanley Robinson _ // Team NO AMIGA TO WASTE: Help build programs Ami needs! \X/ AMIGA *http://thunderstorms.org/NATW* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:55:14 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1280 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Fiends Subject: [S16] Ra, Ra! Team Lets Go! Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 10:55:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA19234for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:56:25 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA05388for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:53:09 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id WAA05386 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: f6cae2601417d2fbd157001236fab16a > = Gord Clink's words on 22-Jan-98: >I don't think you are being realistic Greenboy. I am very serious about >this, and if you were too, you would realize that money talks. If you >really truly want some action, then do a little research and find reasons >to make the people who don't care what happens to Studio16 to care >instead! I'm talking about people like Ben Fuller, and other's from the >origional Sunrize team. I'm a 100% Amiga all the way, and have been for >11 years! But one thing I noticed, is the majority of Amiga users don't >want to p ay for software, and that's why companies like Sunrize >constantly abandon the platform. Not everyone in the world is in love with >the Amiga like most of us, but that doesn't mean we can't benifit from >some excellent programmers that actually want to get paid for their work. >The bottom line is, I am only trying to come up with some idea's that will >let us get what we want, and that is... continued support and development >of the Studio16 non-linear editing system! -- If you have read any of my other postings in this list (even in the past day or two) you would realize that you have pretty much repeated what I have been saying. So to quote myself from just a bit earlier: ...I am totally convinced that the scope of the project is so huge, at least the way I envision it, that it would be negligent NOT to pay for it. I want the real stuff. I want the developer to feel compensated enough to continue to grow a killer-mondo-monster-shredder. The best the hardware is capable of delivering... But head-counts are not going to make people care. Producing a sensation is what makes people care. So get beyond the I-CARE-MORE-THAN-YOU retoric and examine what probably needs to take place. If people have stated a commitment to do certain projects, they have either already examined what their needs are, or are doing it because /they/ think it important. So for them the research has hopefully already been done. If they now decide not to follow through-- until "additional research" is done, they probably are not committed enough anyway. Decision by committee only muddies the water of commitment. Many of us have already demonstrated our stance many times over. So lets get on with it! -- *greenboy* RED|GREEN|BLUE MARS - Nebula & Hugo - Kim Stanley Robinson _ // Team NO AMIGA TO WASTE: Help build programs Ami needs! \X/ AMIGA *http://thunderstorms.org/NATW* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From beachler@iastate.edu Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:34:18 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1258 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1281 (database) From: Rich Beachler To: studio16 Subject: Re: AHI, Wrench, the works... Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 22:34:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id WAA20417for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:39:04 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA05826for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:35:10 +0100 X-Sender: beachler@pop-2.iastate.edu References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: e0f6df36fa0dbb77b0f15cbc756917ce Hello all, 1. The original person who started a "would you pay for AHI support?" thread in comp.sys.amiga.audio was Troy Silvey (tc_silvey@juno.com). He gathered names of AD516 users, like myself, who were willing to pay for AHI. I'm still very willing to pay for it. Troy had been corresponding with a former Sunrize team member who claimed he would try to work on an AHI interface if he could find the time. Troy asked the "who would pay" question on his own to try and motivate the former Sunrize guy. That was last June and nothing seems to have happened yet. I wonder if Troy knows about this mailing list. 2. I owned Dissidents Sample Wrench (v1.8 I think) but had some difficulty with Dissidents and ended up returning it. At that time, It didn't support Studio16 file format completely. It could read a Studio16 file as a "raw" file, but couldn't write one that Studio16 liked. It suggested using AIFF files as the transfer format BUT the Studio16 3.01 AIFF writer has a bug and the AIFF files from Studio16 were rejected by Sample Wrench as "corrupt AIFF" files. The "Studio16 support" Wrench had at that time was the ability to open a Sample Wrench window on the Studio16 screen (like Bars and Pipes). You still had to play the file from Studio16 but could edit and save it from Wrench without changing screens. NO editing in ram and listening in Studio16 without saving it to RAM:. Not quite the same. I do know that Sample Wrench now has real Studio16 file format support, but I doubt they have the ability to play on an AD516 without some part of Studio16 being active. I would love to find out I'm mistaken. 3. I, too hope for new support for my AD516 and this group is the best chance I have. I'll provide any monitary support a developer feels is necessary to take us further. I also hope that we can remain friendly with one another. If anyone leaves this group because they feel they are unappreciated or don't like another's attitude or opinions, we ALL lose. 4. I set up another musician I work with an Amiga and leant him one of my AD516s and Studio16. He used it happily for about a year but eventually decided to get a Mac and Pro Tools (he got the Mac for his graphics business..Pro Tools was secondary). He called Sweetwater Sound to buy the Pro Tools hardware and talked to their "Pro Tools expert". When he mentioned that he already had a recording system, the "expert" asked what he was using. When my friend replied "an Amiga with Studio16", the Sweetwater guy responded "Oh, those were the best!". We were the best and can still be among the best if we prove we can support those who are willing to develop new software (and if we can just get those who know how to talk to the cards to share a little info...) Sorry this was so long.... so long :) --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1281 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1283 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Rich Beachler Subject: Re: AHI, Wrench, the works... Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 00:27:00 Message-ID: <1479.326T2453T274658@bgnett.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Rich Beachler wrote: > in comp.sys.amiga.audio was Troy Silvey (tc_silvey@juno.com). He gathered > question on his own to try and motivate the former Sunrize guy. That was > last June and nothing seems to have happened yet. I wonder if Troy knows He had talked to Ben Fuller (who is monitoring the list) and I think he had got an reply that if Mr. Fuller had time he would look into it. I haven't heard any thing later. > about this mailing list. I am not sure (I didn't find the address while I did a quick search right now), but he's very welcome to the list! I was originally against paying for the AHI driver at the time, but I realise that there is probably no other way (and I have got more understanding for it now). Then again, I did not ask for my own convinient on the list, I did have Mr Fuller in mind as well. > I doubt they have the ability to play on an AD516 without some part of > Studio16 being active. I would love to find out I'm mistaken. I'm affraid you're right. I think Sunrize only licensed docs on the library. > with one another. If anyone leaves this group because they feel they > are unappreciated or don't like another's attitude or opinions, we ALL > lose. Fully agreed. I hope we can stick to case, not person. Moderating is an option though, but I hope it won't be necessary. > he was using. When my friend replied "an Amiga with Studio16", the > Sweetwater guy responded "Oh, those were the best!". :) - Kenny From doncox@enterprise.net Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:29:42 -0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1272 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1284 (database) From: Don Cox To: Gord Clink Subject: RE: [S16] How Many to Screw in a Light Bulb? Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 21:29:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id XAA21515for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:15:36 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA06235for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 00:12:11 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 7b1765524df6e3a772370ada5f3eeffb On 21-Jan-98, Gord Clink wrote: >I'm a 100% Amiga all the way, and have been for 11 years! But one thing I >noticed, is the majority of Amiga users don't want to p >ay for software, and that's why companies like Sunrize constantly abandon the >platform. I think this is not so much an Amiga thing as a small-user thing. Big companies buy software, individuals and sole traders can't or don't want to pay hundreds of dollars. PC software on gold disks is everywhere, and supposedly honest citizens think nothing of using it. -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:47:57 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1284 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1285 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Fiends Subject: RE: [S16] How Many to Screw in a Light Bulb? Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 12:47:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id AAA23179for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 00:26:15 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA06862for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 01:22:43 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id BAA06856 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 8cb36a7f0076f724cddc13c2ee7d08b0 > = Don Cox's words on 22-Jan-98: >On 21-Jan-98, Gord Clink wrote: >>noticed, is the majority of Amiga users don't want to pay for software, >>and that's why companies like Sunrize constantly abandon the platform. >I think this is not so much an Amiga thing as a small-user thing. Big >companies buy software, individuals and sole traders can't or don't want >to pay hundreds of dollars. PC software on gold disks is everywhere, and >supposedly honest citizens think nothing of using it. When I sold Amigas I occasionally ran into real pirate-types. They never seemed to be too successful at what they did because they were "small" thinkers, cheap and unable to see the big picture. The people who bought what they used tended to be people who went places, were more focused, learned and studied the tools of their art, and benefited from it. They valued having manuals, support, and self-respect. Professionals. -- *greenboy* RED|GREEN|BLUE MARS - Nebula & Hugo - Kim Stanley Robinson _ // Team NO AMIGA TO WASTE: Help build programs Ami needs! \X/ AMIGA *http://thunderstorms.org/NATW* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:12:28 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1281 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1286 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Fiends Subject: Re: [S16] AHI, Wrench, the works... Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 13:12:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id AAA23180for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 00:26:16 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA06863for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 01:22:47 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id BAA06860 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 872fd4278b970fe5d268560fa5541bce > = Rich Beachler's words on 22-Jan-98: >The original person who started a "would you pay for AHI support?" thread >in comp.sys.amiga.audio was Troy Silvey (tc_silvey@juno.com). Troy had >been corresponding with a former Sunrize team member who claimed he would >try to work on an AHI interface if he could find the time. Troy asked the >"who would pay" question on his own to try and motivate the former Sunrize >guy. That was last June and nothing seems to have happened yet. Several here on the list were former beta-testers, as was I, and can probably attest to the apparent unmotivatability (and disinterest) our reports were sometimes met with. I wonder if they realized they were not the only ones suffering from Commodore's "suckiness". >I wonder if Troy knows about this mailing list. Lets email him! >The "Studio16 support" Wrench had at that time was the ability to open a >Sample Wrench window on the Studio16 screen. NO editing in ram and >listening in Studio16 without saving it to RAM:. Boy, that's got to be a long way back. I can hardly remember that version... >I doubt they have the ability to play on an AD516 without some part of >Studio16 being active. I would love to find out I'm mistaken. True. S16's arexx port has to be available. I never saw this as a problem: I would pull the sample into Wrench that I wanted, tweak, audition, etc. `til it was ready to save--then go back to working in S16. >I, too hope for new support for my AD516 and this group is the best chance >I have. I'll provide any monitary support a developer feels is necessary >to take us further. This is not too far-fetched. My heart especially started pumping when I saw Maricizio's AudioLab announcement! >mentioned that he already had a recording system, the "expert" asked what >he was using. When my friend replied "an Amiga with Studio16", the >Sweetwater guy responded "Oh, those were the best!". When I was selling Sunrize products, BYTE Magazine (*great* cross-platform mag) compared S16 to twelve or more other similar products and gave it the same high praise. -- *greenboy* RED|GREEN|BLUE MARS - Nebula & Hugo - Kim Stanley Robinson _ // Team NO AMIGA TO WASTE: Help build programs Ami needs! \X/ AMIGA *http://thunderstorms.org/NATW* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From dhomas@youngmonkey.ca Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:01:12 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1281 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1287 (database) From: dhomas trenn To: Rich Beachler Subject: Studio 16 - the dinosaur with no bones. Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 03:01:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id BAA23786for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 01:02:56 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA07521for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 01:59:32 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: young monkey studios MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: b6b65ce602ea57d0a6f07e7789b9d26b Rich spoke and whirled like a Dervish divine: > 4. I set up another musician I work with an Amiga and leant him one of > my AD516s and Studio16. He used it happily for about a year but eventually > decided to get a Mac and Pro Tools (he got the Mac for his graphics If anyone can figure out how to directly access the 516 (and 1012) and Maurizio Ciccione's AMIGA program ProStation will work with it... we'll all have access to a Pro Tools like environment (or so Maurizio says). Then it's goodbye Studio16... ??? What everyone has to remember... no matter how much Kenny or I or anyone else does to 'enhance' Studio16, it's all still going to be a hack. There's only so much we can do and then were stuck. ARexx scripts and such aren't going to do it. Even an AHI driver isn't going to be enough to make a REAL Studio16-like environment. Sure, it'll be nice to have... but I'll be surprised if anyone can make an environment like Studio-16 or ProTools with AHI... Has anyone done it yet for any other supported card??? The next step beyond this is disassembling Studio16 and creating patches for the executable. That's probably not going to happen, not even Kenny will do that - huh Kenny? It's going to come to the point where it's just going to be easier to code a whole new application - and scrap Studio16... ala ProStation, or whatever. But, without the technical docs for the cards, that can never happen. Don't get me wrong... I'm not saying this revival project is a waste of time - it's not. I'm just hoping that people aren't expecting the impossible here. And I'm pretty sure some people are. > what he was using. When my friend replied "an Amiga with Studio16", the > Sweetwater guy responded "Oh, those were the best!". WERE is the key word there! ---- Unfortunately, now it might be the best on the Amiga, but that's about it. -- dhomas. ********************************************************************** * * * young monkey studios EMail: dhomas@youngmonkey.ca * * ---------------- WWW: http://www.youngmonkey.ca/ * * dhomas trenn * * Snail: 797 Mitchell Street * * Fredericton, NB * * Phone: (506) 459-7088 CANADA E3B 3S8 * * * ********************************************************************** --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From dhomas@youngmonkey.ca Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:16:28 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1286 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1288 (database) From: dhomas trenn To: greenboy Subject: Wrench? Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 03:16:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id BAA24035for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 01:18:12 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA07669for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 02:14:47 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: young monkey studios MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 9670bcaf577c165bbe8119cc0b9466ed greenboy spoke and whirled like a Dervish divine: > True. S16's arexx port has to be available. I never saw this as a problem: > I would pull the sample into Wrench that I wanted, tweak, audition, etc. > `til it was ready to save--then go back to working in S16. That's just loading (pull) and saving... Wrench doesn't need an S16 Arexx port to do that. SoundFX does this too. What we (developers) would like to know is what the (alleged) secret ARexx command is that Studio16 responds to, to play sounds in memory. I've got a strong suspicion that Wrench still saves the sound and then uses the Studio16 arexx commands: S16Open to load the sound and S16Trigger to play it . This stuff is already documented and nothing new here. -- dhomas. ********************************************************************** * * * young monkey studios EMail: dhomas@youngmonkey.ca * * ---------------- WWW: http://www.youngmonkey.ca/ * * dhomas trenn * * Snail: 797 Mitchell Street * * Fredericton, NB * * Phone: (506) 459-7088 CANADA E3B 3S8 * * * ********************************************************************** --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1287 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1289 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: dhomas trenn Subject: Re: Studio 16 - the dinosaur with no bones. Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 14:02:00 Message-ID: <1303.326T1916T8423417@bgnett.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) dhomas trenn wrote: >Rich spoke and whirled like a Dervish divine: >The next step beyond this is disassembling Studio16 and creating >patches for the executable. That's probably not going to happen, not >even Kenny will do that - huh Kenny? Dhomas I'm not going to disassembling anything and haven't. Though, international agreements (tractats) allow you to do so as long as you don't use any of the code (or change it) and just watch to learn, but it's mostly in C (I assume from examples I have seen and the the way studio.lib 2 api was built (stack parameters, stubs etc.)) and reading disassembled C code will take the rest of the year (and probably next year as well) anyway.. :^) I hope we can get this in another more convinient way. >time - it's not. I'm just hoping that people aren't expecting the >impossible here. And I'm pretty sure some people are. The goal is to achieve it even if I or someone else has to learn DSP programming to do it. But you're right, we can't expect too much. Though, having the fileformats analyses we can expand support for sample processing, creating and processing cuelists etc. which will help a lot IMHO. That was also the reason why I started the project. As you mentioned earlier we might have to use hacks, but hopefully we can avoid it. - Kenny From kenny@bgnett.no 22 Jan 98 00:27:49 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1281 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1290 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Rich Beachler Subject: Re: AHI, Wrench, the works... Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 00:27:00 Message-ID: <1479.326T2453T274658@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id JAA03457for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:23:24 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA10877for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:19:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 9e8267134e860757953a72d98f292eed Rich Beachler wrote: > in comp.sys.amiga.audio was Troy Silvey (tc_silvey@juno.com). He gathered > question on his own to try and motivate the former Sunrize guy. That was > last June and nothing seems to have happened yet. I wonder if Troy knows He had talked to Ben Fuller (who is monitoring the list) and I think he had got an reply that if Mr. Fuller had time he would look into it. I haven't heard any thing later. > about this mailing list. I am not sure (I didn't find the address while I did a quick search right now), but he's very welcome to the list! I was originally against paying for the AHI driver at the time, but I realise that there is probably no other way (and I have got more understanding for it now). Then again, I did not ask for my own convinient on the list, I did have Mr Fuller in mind as well. > I doubt they have the ability to play on an AD516 without some part of > Studio16 being active. I would love to find out I'm mistaken. I'm affraid you're right. I think Sunrize only licensed docs on the library. > with one another. If anyone leaves this group because they feel they > are unappreciated or don't like another's attitude or opinions, we ALL > lose. Fully agreed. I hope we can stick to case, not person. Moderating is an option though, but I hope it won't be necessary. > he was using. When my friend replied "an Amiga with Studio16", the > Sweetwater guy responded "Oh, those were the best!". :) - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From kenny@bgnett.no 22 Jan 98 14:02:38 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1287 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1292 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: dhomas trenn Subject: Re: Studio 16 - the dinosaur with no bones. Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 14:02:00 Message-ID: <1303.326T1916T8423417@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id NAA14308for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:10:31 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA12370for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:06:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: f972ca2d815b4fe9c06ce846a29e8522 dhomas trenn wrote: >Rich spoke and whirled like a Dervish divine: >The next step beyond this is disassembling Studio16 and creating >patches for the executable. That's probably not going to happen, not >even Kenny will do that - huh Kenny? Dhomas I'm not going to disassembling anything and haven't. Though, international agreements (tractats) allow you to do so as long as you don't use any of the code (or change it) and just watch to learn, but it's mostly in C (I assume from examples I have seen and the the way studio.lib 2 api was built (stack parameters, stubs etc.)) and reading disassembled C code will take the rest of the year (and probably next year as well) anyway.. :^) I hope we can get this in another more convinient way. >time - it's not. I'm just hoping that people aren't expecting the >impossible here. And I'm pretty sure some people are. The goal is to achieve it even if I or someone else has to learn DSP programming to do it. But you're right, we can't expect too much. Though, having the fileformats analyses we can expand support for sample processing, creating and processing cuelists etc. which will help a lot IMHO. That was also the reason why I started the project. As you mentioned earlier we might have to use hacks, but hopefully we can avoid it. - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From doncox@enterprise.net Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:21:01 -0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1288 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1293 (database) From: Don Cox To: dhomas trenn Subject: Re: Wrench? Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 13:21:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id NAA15522for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:42:03 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA12610for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:37:32 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: cfaabeb91ee831cf5b273a7bb9b798bf On 22-Jan-98, dhomas trenn wrote: >What we (developers) would like to know is what the (alleged) secret >ARexx command is that Studio16 responds to, to play sounds in memory. ARexx commands are normally all listed as text in the program code, and are easily extracted with Transwrite. The commands in the Studio16REXX file are: s16openwithautoclose s16openrecordoutput s16openrecord s16open s16trigger s16close s16tofront s16toback s16exit s16version s16querysmptetime s16chanvol s16notify s16rate s16gain s16pan s16filter s16playstereo s16play s16waittimecode s16waitgpi s16stopallplayback s16smptestop s16smpteset s16smptestart I don't have a manual any more (somebody stole it), but I presume these are all known? There can't be any more; if one of the other modules had its own port, it would need a different address. -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From gclink@dryden.net Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:31:13 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1294 (database) From: Gord Clink To: 'studio16@thule.no' Subject: Bars&Pipes Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 15:31:00 Message-ID: <01BD2710.19D9B520@gclink.avenor.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id OAA17228for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:34:00 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA12970for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:30:30 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: bastionhost.avenor.com: Host [10.100.240.153] claimed to be gclink.avenor.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 2a29f7e175e6b869f47cb5aca62e3887 I think this is a relevent topic, since I'm using Bars & Pipes with Studio16.... Does anyone know where I can get a manual, and is there anymore word on Microsoft selling the package back to Amiga Inc.? Gord Clink --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:52:30 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1295 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: [S16] Device Independent And Proud Of It Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 18:52:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id QAA20617for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:14:52 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA13593for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:11:02 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id RAA13588 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: bfa964a9ae9560778814b42a50082f62 > = dhomas trenn's words on 22-Jan-98: >Unfortunately, now it might be the best on the Amiga, but that's about it. ...And I thought I was morbid. Hey, buck up, buddy! >ARexx scripts and such aren't going to do it. Even an AHI driver isn't >going to be enough to make a REAL Studio16-like environment. Sure, >it'll be nice to have... but I'll be surprised if anyone can make an >environment like Studio-16 or ProTools with AHI... Has anyone done it >yet for any other supported card??? Perhaps this has never needed to be considered. Now it does. There is no reason such a tool can't be fast, powerful, and accurate. Time is the biggest constraint. >It's going to come to the point where it's just going to be easier to >code a whole new application - and scrap Studio16... ala ProStation, or >whatever. But, without the technical docs for the cards, that can >never happen. What's wrong with that? Realistically, that is what needs to be done in order to go forward. I figure that we just need to get over the hump of exclusive approaches. This took place on other platforms for display, sound, and video--for the most part, years ago. Once we too have device-independent drivers, that makes it possible to design software that has a potential for larger sales. Any card on the Amiga should be able to use the same software. If it has some modularity, then special features of different cards can be addressed without making the package low-powered or -featured to satisfy the lacks of less-adept cards. Important. And can you say...PLUG INS? >Don't get me wrong... I'm not saying this revival project is a waste of >time - it's not. I'm just hoping that people aren't expecting the >impossible here. And I'm pretty sure some people are. Perhaps you feel out of your league. But this project as I envision it is not /impossible/. It will take some special luck, some teamwork, a willingness to reach out, maybe some horse-trading, a little from here, a little from there. Or maybe all it will take is a card-driver, and the rest of the work is already being done. Then we can beta-test and get on lists and harangue and argue and discuss until the Amiga can stand with the big boys, at least in some markets. But Studio16 isn't so bad that people aren't able to get by in the meanwhile, is it? -- *greenboy* RED|GREEN|BLUE MARS - Nebula & Hugo - Kim Stanley Robinson _ // Team NO AMIGA TO WASTE: Help build programs Ami needs! \X/ AMIGA *http://thunderstorms.org/NATW* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:49:20 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1288 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1296 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: [S16] Wrenching It Out. Again... Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 18:49:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id QAA20621for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:14:57 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA13590for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:10:58 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id RAA13584 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 465fa85e3999c28564b5985088b4a987 greenboy earlier: True. S16's arexx port has to be available. I never saw this as a problem: I would pull the sample into Wrench that I wanted, tweak, audition, etc. `til it was ready to save--then go back to working in S16. > = dhomas trenn's words on 22-Jan-98: >That's just loading (pull) and saving... Wrench doesn't need an S16 >Arexx port to do that. SoundFX does this too. No. You are still missing the point. Though Load and Save are involved, being able to use the card to AUDITION your edits/effects is very useful. That is all the arexx is for. Just because it is not what you want it to be does not negate its usefulness or circa '90-whatever coolness. >What we (developers) would like to know is what the (alleged) secret >ARexx command is that Studio16 responds to, to play sounds in memory. >I've got a strong suspicion that Wrench still saves the sound and then >uses the Studio16 arexx commands: S16Open to load the sound and >S16Trigger to play it . This stuff is already documented and nothing >new here. There are no big secrets here. Whose allegations? Does it have to be new to be valid? Are my observations being taken out of context because they are not your rosetta stone? Your obsession unbalances you. When we first got going on this thread I was trying to point out that in the past, other people have done significant work in the area of sample- editing and effects, and have had experience with the AD516/Studio16, and perhaps have documentation people here do not possess. Those people are potential allies, and useful resources. I still believe that the more folks who contact them and express interest, the more our potential becomes actuality. Ever hear the term "reach out"? -- *greenboy* RED|GREEN|BLUE MARS - Nebula & Hugo - Kim Stanley Robinson _ // Team NO AMIGA TO WASTE: Help build programs Ami needs! \X/ AMIGA *http://thunderstorms.org/NATW* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1294 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1297 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Gord Clink Subject: Re: Bars&Pipes Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 20:11:00 Message-ID: <311.326T1374T12113003@bgnett.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Gord Clink wrote: >I think this is a relevent topic, since I'm using Bars & Pipes with >Studio16.... There is a guy that works on a B&P help file - try this address: http://www.idi.ntnu.no/~alfw/amiga/BarsPipesIntro.html >Microsoft selling the package back to Amiga Inc.? Very doubtful.. - Kenny From dhomas@youngmonkey.ca Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:11:37 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1296 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1298 (database) From: dhomas trenn To: greenboy Subject: It's all a hoax... Area 51-6??? Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 19:11:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA22669for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:13:36 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA14073for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:10:01 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: young monkey studios MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 62e9e368b5b711091a965e899ae04396 greenboy spoke and whirled like a Dervish divine: > No. You are still missing the point. Though Load and Save are involved, > being able to use the card to AUDITION your edits/effects is very useful. > That is all the arexx is for. Just because it is not what you want it to It's not what you said it was. You said you had an ARexx script for sample wrench that allowed it to play back sounds on the AD516 WITHOUT having to LOAD AND SAVE sounds. I wanted to know how this was accomplished. You refused to tell us how they did this, insisting that Dissidents had the information to do what you said this was doing. I was pretty sure that Dissidents didn't know anything that we didn't already know... but you insisted it accomplished the task without LOADing and SAVEing... now you say yes... it has to load and save. Had you said this in the first place... instead of leading us all to believe that it was possible, we'd have saved all this wasted time. > When we first got going on this thread I was trying to point out that in > the past, other people have done significant work in the area of sample- I wouldn't consider loading and saving anything resembling significant work in the area. Kenny's contribution... now that's significant. -- dhomas. ********************************************************************** * * * young monkey studios EMail: dhomas@youngmonkey.ca * * ---------------- WWW: http://www.youngmonkey.ca/ * * dhomas trenn * * Snail: 797 Mitchell Street * * Fredericton, NB * * Phone: (506) 459-7088 CANADA E3B 3S8 * * * ********************************************************************** --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From dhomas@youngmonkey.ca Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:17:11 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1295 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1299 (database) From: dhomas trenn To: greenboy Subject: Re: [S16] Device Independent And Proud Of It Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 19:17:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA22811for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:18:52 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA14109for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:15:34 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: young monkey studios MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 1ffcdf7dda26d221542b88eefff7b715 greenboy spoke and whirled like a Dervish divine: > Perhaps you feel out of your league. But this project as I envision it is > not /impossible/. It will take some special luck, some teamwork, a And what it doesn't need is people leading other people, who are making serious contributions, to believe something that isn't true. > willingness to reach out, maybe some horse-trading, a little from here, a > little from there. Or maybe all it will take is a card-driver, and the A little from here... like someone being brave enough to say hey... this ARexx script I have here has an ARexx command called 'S16-PlayFromRAM' - is that something useful? But then it never existed so... that couldn't have happened anyway. -- dhomas. ********************************************************************** * * * young monkey studios EMail: dhomas@youngmonkey.ca * * ---------------- WWW: http://www.youngmonkey.ca/ * * dhomas trenn * * Snail: 797 Mitchell Street * * Fredericton, NB * * Phone: (506) 459-7088 CANADA E3B 3S8 * * * ********************************************************************** --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:10:01 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1320 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1300 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: [S16] Golden Ears and Bikes Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 06:10:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA23609for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:43:25 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA14358for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:40:04 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id SAA14352 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 7594cb6a4a129af32e976b9c9c3aebed > = Mike Masquith's words on 21-Jan-98: >By the way, my ears are no more 'golden' than anyone elses. If the >real professionals can hear and define the qualitative difference >between 16 bit and 24 bit digital, that's reason enough for me to want >have 24 bit. Part of having "golden ears" is working in rooms that control frequency dispersion, phasing, standing waves etc. Correct monitor placement counts here too. The quality of the entire signal chain influences how "golden ears are trained and maintained. If your equipment can't tell the difference it is tough for your ears to learn (and it is a learning experience). One of the biggest steps for me to get closer to a "golden ear" ideal concerns wiring. Without high quality interconnection of midi, data, audio, video, and a.c. lines, you are going to limit your ability to hear what is really in the audio signal, and what your near-fields and other equipment are really doing. Ground loops and noise leakage from one type of signal-carrying line to another are quality decimators. Having higher quality shielding (someone was mentioning not having the DAC/ADC circuitry within the computer, which is a "noisy" environment) is important. Get braided/foil-wrapped cable where appropriate, not spiral-wrap, /especially not/ Radio Shack. I believe that balanced power is the only real solution to take care of all grounding problems. (EqiTech, Furman, and others supply rack-mount balanced power systems.) Balanced power may be viewed by some as expensive, but the signal-to-noise ratio of the entire studio goes up more dramatically than anything else can do. Each piece of gear can now reach its potential in performance, and its longevity is increased due to having no voltage floating around where it shouldn't be. Balanced power is easier to use than every other semi/non-effective way of dealing with ground-noise problems. Anyway, probably anyone can build golden-ears. It just takes attention to details, in listening, in maintainence, in equipment set-up and purchase, and in attitude. And its like riding a bike... -- *greenboy* RED|GREEN|BLUE MARS - Nebula & Hugo - Kim Stanley Robinson _ // Team NO AMIGA TO WASTE: Help build programs Ami needs! \X/ AMIGA *http://thunderstorms.org/NATW* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:36:23 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1294 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1301 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: [S16] Tie a BlueRibbon 'Round the BigBlue PC... Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 06:36:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA23708for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:46:17 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA14399for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:43:02 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id SAA14395 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 4db7405f42549b5c4b19bf41b275b2e3 > = Gord Clink's words on 22-Jan-98: >I think this is a relevent topic, since I'm using Bars & Pipes with >Studio16.... >Does anyone know where I can get a manual, and is there anymore word on >Microsoft selling the package back to Amiga Inc.? Hey. Last time I heard a rumor, about three weeks ago, I checked every www link I could find, searched for and used every email address for anyone who ever worked at BlueRibbon, looked up all my old contacts as a former dealer, etc--and NOTHING! That's some firewall they've got there. So I would say, good luck with Microsloth ever doing anything that great... -- *greenboy* RED|GREEN|BLUE MARS - Nebula & Hugo - Kim Stanley Robinson _ // Team NO AMIGA TO WASTE: Help build programs Ami needs! \X/ AMIGA *http://thunderstorms.org/NATW* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:26:22 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1298 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1302 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: [S16] In Rodney King's Words... Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 07:26:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA25038for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:31:23 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA14809for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:28:02 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id TAA14801 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: d8ae398e6e5e8e5ba481b6012a78bcc3 > = dhomas trenn's words on 22-Jan-98: >It's not what you said it was. You said you had an ARexx script for >sample wrench that allowed it to play back sounds on the AD516 WITHOUT >having to LOAD AND SAVE sounds. I wanted to know how this was >accomplished. You refused to tell us how they did this, insisting that >Dissidents had the information to do what you said this was doing. I NEVER claimed anything of the sort. I did say that one could AUDITION via the 516. >I was pretty sure that Dissidents didn't know anything that we didn't >already know... but you insisted it accomplished the task without >LOADing and SAVEing... now you say yes... it has to load and save. See above. >Had you said this in the first place... instead of leading us all to >believe that it was possible, we'd have saved all this wasted time. See above AGAIN. >> When we first got going on this thread I was trying to point out that in >> the past, other people have done significant work in the area of sample- >I wouldn't consider loading and saving anything resembling significant >work in the area. Well your mind is made up, isn't it? >Kenny's contribution... now that's significant. I agree that Kenny is doing a right-on thing. I have before. And Kenny must be getting tired of seeing all this energy going sideways. Now can you and I move on, so that we can be assets instead of liabilities? -- *greenboy* RED|GREEN|BLUE MARS - Nebula & Hugo - Kim Stanley Robinson _ // Team NO AMIGA TO WASTE: Help build programs Ami needs! \X/ AMIGA *http://thunderstorms.org/NATW* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From kenny@bgnett.no 22 Jan 98 20:11:27 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1294 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1307 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Gord Clink Subject: Re: Bars&Pipes Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 20:11:00 Message-ID: <311.326T1374T12113003@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id WAA01754for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:05:17 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA16463for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:00:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 6aed1157d8d272d8e4a7dc9d3a00110f Gord Clink wrote: >I think this is a relevent topic, since I'm using Bars & Pipes with >Studio16.... There is a guy that works on a B&P help file - try this address: http://www.idi.ntnu.no/~alfw/amiga/BarsPipesIntro.html >Microsoft selling the package back to Amiga Inc.? Very doubtful.. - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From dhomas@youngmonkey.ca Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:12:48 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1307 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1308 (database) From: dhomas trenn To: Kenny Nilsen Subject: Re: Bars&Pipes Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 00:12:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id WAA02493for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:15:01 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA16658for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:11:50 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: young monkey studios MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 3d19964aced657a717751216789e8905 Kenny spoke and whirled like a Dervish divine: > >Microsoft selling the package back to Amiga Inc.? Amiga Inc... never owned B&P. Anyway... in my last CU-Amiga SoundLab column (Feb98) I reported on a site where you could download the program and other BlueRibbon stuff. I believe the guy is also selling photocopied manuals... check it out at: http://www.in2net.com/bws/blue -- dhomas. ********************************************************************** * * * young monkey studios EMail: dhomas@youngmonkey.ca * * ---------------- WWW: http://www.youngmonkey.ca/ * * dhomas trenn * * Snail: 797 Mitchell Street * * Fredericton, NB * * Phone: (506) 459-7088 CANADA E3B 3S8 * * * ********************************************************************** --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From gmula@nwlink.com Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:16:49 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1281 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1309 (database) From: Gary Mula To: Rich Beachler Subject: Re: AHI, Wrench, the works... Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 23:16:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id WAA02652for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:17:25 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA16699for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:14:02 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 6f022f5c701f894c5c71b94c48c6b51f On 21-Jan-98, Rich Beachler wrote: >Hello all, >1. The original person who started a "would you pay for AHI support?" thread > in comp.sys.amiga.audio was Troy Silvey (tc_silvey@juno.com). He gathered > names of AD516 users, like myself, who were willing to pay for AHI. I'm > still very willing to pay for it. Troy had been corresponding with a former > Sunrize team member who claimed he would try to work on an AHI interface if > he could find the time. Troy asked the "who would pay" question on his own > to try and motivate the former Sunrize guy. That was last June and nothing > seems to have happened yet. I wonder if Troy knows about this mailing list. Funny that you mention this....as I just sent mail to Troy yesterday, asking him to get on this list if he wasn't already. -- ------------------------------------------------------- Gary Mula / CALLEYE Productions / The Dutchman Singer-Songwriter / Producer Seattle, Washington, USA Team *AMIGA* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From doncox@enterprise.net Thu, 22 Jan 1998 21:12:37 -0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1303 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1310 (database) From: Don Cox To: dhomas trenn Subject: Re: Studio 16 - the dinosaur with no bones. Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 22:12:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id AAA07264for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:48:14 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA18186for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 01:44:35 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 47ea22f05e9902c1c1ecd5e1d9a12fc3 On 22-Jan-98, dhomas trenn wrote: >As for the AHI driver... it's sad to know that someone out there has >all the info that would open a whole knew world for the AD516 cards, >and doesn't seem to want to help. >This guy has been saying for a year or more that he's considering doing >a driver... but after awhile you just have to realize it just might >never happen. It is probably a matter of getting around to setting up the Amiga (it may have been put away in a cupboard like the one at Black Belt), finding the disks, remembering how to set up SAS c, etc etc after a 2 year break. Just a shortage of round tuits. -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:29:04 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1311 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: [S16] Cannibalized! Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 14:29:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id BAA08060for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 01:31:36 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA18646for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 02:28:23 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: c066374903b40d0d53351ec6f460450a > = Don Cox's words on 23-Jan-98: >It is probably a matter of getting around to setting up the Amiga (it may >have been put away in a cupboard like the one at Black Belt), finding the >disks, remembering how to set up SAS c, etc etc after a 2 year break. Just >a shortage of round tuits. Yeah, I contacted Steve Worley, the former producer/software engineer of Essence (an algorythmic texture/background builder sold in the Toaster marketplace). Tried to get him to reintroduce the product, or at least sell me a copy. His reply: had to cannibalize the Amiga for the floppy drive... -- *greenboy* RED|GREEN|BLUE MARS - Nebula & Hugo - Kim Stanley Robinson _ // Team NO AMIGA TO WASTE: Help build programs Ami needs! \X/ AMIGA *http://thunderstorms.org/NATW* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From tdavis@idirect.com Thu, 22 Jan 1998 20:55:14 -0500 (EST) X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1312 (database) From: tdavis To: studio16 Subject: Dissonance and Dinasaurs Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 02:55:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id BAA08526for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 01:55:58 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA19017for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 02:52:21 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: edfb359c4220ccf976116d4e6e2ec33a Gosh I'm happy I discovered this list a few days ago. Though my internet face is a MAC , my Amiga holds a dear place under my fingers. Its been a while since I shared the passion Amiga, and you gents remind me of the special madness that Amigans have from the nonsensical punny "Subject" lines to the billboards for signatures - it reminds me of old times. Anyway, from my WRENCH 3.1.5 ARexx directory: * Mono AIFF save from a Wrench sound for Studio16 playback. */ /* The sound is saved to the temp directory T:, but could just as easily */ /* use a hard drive partion. */ options results address wrench /* set save format to AIFF */ format 0 /* save the sound in editor 1 */ savew 1 'T:TempSound' /* call up Studio16 and have it play back the sound we just saved */ address command 'Studio16:utilities/studio16rexx no screen' address command 'WaitForPort Studio16.1' address 'Studio16.1' S16Play 'T:TempSound' S16Exit' Not as fast as a direct call to the hardware but almost fast enough on a stock 3000 and frankly I've always liked the idea of a scripting language that allows a bozo like me to tie things together. One of the things that seemed to contibute to Ami's elegance. Happy to lurk here (smells like home) Ted --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Thu, 22 Jan 1998 21:24:46 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1325 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1313 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: [S16] Re: Some thoughts... Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 17:24:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id EAA11460for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 04:27:43 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA19987for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 05:23:56 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id FAA19985 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 1507d337cc5dcc3eae44a90e96245d4d Hey, Ben! > = Ben Fuller's words on 23-Jan-98: >at age 17 I was one of the first and quite probably the youngest >Commercial Developer (# CC01039 -- I was there at the beginning, I remember the first time I used Project D: that was some big deal back then! Not a hard drive to be seen. Some of us were involved with Atari STs (midi software), and Project D actually was more capable of copying the ST disks than any thing we could find for the Atari! Sold quite a few Project Ds too, /everyone/ back then needed one of those. I seem to remember your name on some other disk utility even before that--Yo-ho, yo-ho, a Pirates' Life for Me...? >and I was there at the end (which, by the way, was in early 1994 when the >engineering efforts relating to Amiga inside Commodore effectively >came to a complete stop). I was very depressed for some time... Yeah, this pretty much crippled me too. All my money, dreams, and time had been tied up there since '87. Really, before then. I bought every issue of AmigaWorld since Andy Warhol! Everything I did, loved, and ate came from the Amiga. >Then, in late 1994 a funny thing happened... I was lucky enough to be part >of the Chicago (aka Win95) beta program... Preemptive-multitasking, 32-bit >addressing, open device architecture, device independent everything, >decent development tools... It was like deja vu all over again... I >discovered that (like it says on the Deathbed Vigil t-shirt) there is life >after Commodore. I like lots of the stuff on the PC, but the operating system, I find, is painful to use. But some beautiful stuff for developers there! (making a good living being only one of them!) >There were a few developers that SunRize worked closely with and provided >limited access to 3.x specific information. Getting the AmiLINK to provide >SMPTE timecode to Studio16 using the enhanced SMPTE APIs was one instance. So is this information itself available? >Myth #3 -- The Amiga is still a viable commercial platform. This is simply >not true. A viable platform for general purpose computing must be able to >evolve -- both in hardware and software. The quality of Amiga software has >degraded significantly since The End, and most (if not all) of those >responsible for the best-of-breed applications on Amiga have left the >arena. It will be extremely difficult if not impossible to return to the >levels of quality neccessary to evolve the platform. Well, I agree, and I don't agree. One of the instruments I play has not really had anything major happen to it for about a century. But people still pay to hear it. And you are not lost in the shuffle of a million others when you play new music on it. But ambitious projects tend not to be here anymore; standards are not set, and innovation is tough, given the lack of new standards and direction. There is a certain disfunctional ambience here at times. >Ok, so what about doing an AHI driver or something... >AHI as time permits, but I have still been unable to get the paula driver to >work -- something that will have to happen before I decide to build a driver >for the AD516. This is probably what I believe my biggest hope is. To have a driver will allow smaller Amiga-oriented houses to pehaps make decent money on multi- card software that, if not state-of-art, will at least be nearer to what it takes to be creative and survive. I suspect that many of us can't or won't buy the latest 24bit ProTools, or make the struggle doing something similar on the Windozzze platform for as long as we can avoid it 8) >At one time I was one of the most Die Hard Fanatic Loyalist Developer On >A Jihad To Bring The Whole World To Amiga -- So you can dig it: Here, we are all pretty good at getting major mileage out of last year's model. We are creative... -- *greenboy* RED|GREEN|BLUE MARS - Nebula & Hugo - Kim Stanley Robinson _ // Team NO AMIGA TO WASTE: Help build programs Ami needs! \X/ AMIGA *http://thunderstorms.org/NATW* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From gmula@nwlink.com Thu, 22 Jan 1998 20:38:30 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1325 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1314 (database) From: Gary Mula To: Ben Fuller Subject: Thank You Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 05:38:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id EAA11698for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 04:39:54 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA20057for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 05:36:45 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 755a78cc9f50df0b231504da5d9f7fcb On 22-Jan-98, Ben Fuller wrote: >First, an introduction: >Hi there, I'm Ben Fuller, at one time I was a Senior Software Engineer for >SunRize Industries Wow! Thanks Ben. I appreciate your post. It's difficult to operate in a vacuum as was created by the complete silence Sunrize left us in. Your words were refreshing and sobering, going right to the heart of whether or not each of us as individuals made the right decision to hang in there with Amiga. I would like to see the dialogue here, on AHI, get more clear and to the point. What would it really take in man hours to program it? Who would own it? What would it really take to entice someone such as your self to do this? What can individuals like myself do to help this go forward? I for one am not still using the Amiga because I think it is going to become a commercialy viable platform again. I am frankly very comfortable with this computer and am going to milk the last dollar out of my investment until I feel I am losing money(productivity) not moving on. If the AHI driver is written I could conceivably get an extra 6-12 months of longevity givin the current stasis the Amiga is in. My decisions are best made against how I would handle the least optomistic forcast. I do admittedly still dream at times though that this list of sincere individuals is a micro-forshadowing of a groundswell of energy that could lift the Amiga up from it's ashes, via GATEWAY, back into the frontier of computing. A syncronicity of sorts. My things is music and my love of it.... as long as this can serve that dedication........ -=gary mula=- ------------------------------------------------------- Gary Mula / CALLEYE Productions / The Dutchman Singer-Songwriter / Producer Seattle, Washington, USA Team *AMIGA* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From gmula@nwlink.com Thu, 22 Jan 1998 21:46:14 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1312 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1315 (database) From: Gary Mula To: tdavis Subject: Re: Dissonance and Dinasaurs Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 06:46:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id FAA12985for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 05:46:53 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA20826for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 06:43:30 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 96a330e68d6a10aa6a7d50008dc8f855 On 22-Jan-98, tdavis wrote: >Anyway, from my WRENCH 3.1.5 ARexx directory: >* Mono AIFF save from a Wrench sound for Studio16 playback. */ >/* The sound is saved to the temp directory T:, but could just as easily */ >/* use a hard drive partion. */ >options results >address wrench >/* set save format to AIFF */ >format 0 >/* save the sound in editor 1 */ >savew 1 'T:TempSound' >/* call up Studio16 and have it play back the sound we just saved */ >address command >'Studio16:utilities/studio16rexx no screen' >address command 'WaitForPort Studio16.1' >address 'Studio16.1' >S16Play 'T:TempSound' >S16Exit' I haven't cross checked this script with my documentation but I think this is what everyone has been discussing. I found something about this in the Wrench_new2.1 doc that gives a summary of how it works. *By using AREXX, you can use the SunRize hardware (eg, AD516) to play back a sample loaded into a Wrench editor. This will always treat the sound as a one-shot. The first use of this macro will be a little slow since certain items needed to be loaded into the computer's memory. Subsequent calls will be faster. The following macro is used to play the sound loaded into editor one.* So I think in essence everyone was right. It's just that the script does the saving and loading for you invisibly. Obviously this is not the answer we are looking for but I think it is a very creative patch. Could other programs benifit by using this? I have been meaning to check out AudioLab16 again, and now the talk of SoundFX has also got me curious. I think it is time I call up dissidents, maybe tomorrow and see where they are currently at with The Wrench. Hey..thanks for the post tdavis Don't wonder off to far! -=gary=- -- ------------------------------------------------------- Gary Mula / CALLEYE Productions / The Dutchman Singer-Songwriter / Producer Seattle, Washington, USA Team *AMIGA* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:44:19 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1316 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: [S16] Gather Under The Banner! Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 19:44:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id GAA13879for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 06:45:48 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA21193for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 07:42:37 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id HAA21191 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: a8de258f0ef7f89fea58378dbe16a18f I don't know if any of you have been following _Project Magic_ by Opera Software. They have been polling users of "alternate" operating systems like the Amiga to see which smaller platforms are worth writing their browser for. With tools like the web, and email, well this approach is more affordable than ever. The cool twist--and I have seen a similar deal all over the net--is the cute little icon with the URL link. Guys seem to climb all over themselves to post some of these icons or banners at their sites. And the site and the banner poster manage to collect quite a bit of response that if anyone actually had to go out of their way to volunteer the same support, wouldn't do it. So can anything like this benefit our movement? /I would offer to design one, but someone here would either accuse me of/ /stealing it, or claim it didn't really exist. And after they saw it, it/ /wouldn't be enough, anyway./ So go to it, someone! I'll vote for you, and help get it spread around, once eveyone has come up with a use and a game-plan. -- *greenboy* RED|GREEN|BLUE MARS - Nebula & Hugo - Kim Stanley Robinson _ // Team NO AMIGA TO WASTE: Help build programs Ami needs! \X/ AMIGA *http://thunderstorms.org/NATW* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:13:51 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1317 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: [S16] THE Dinosaur has teeth.com Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 20:13:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id HAA14433for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 07:17:51 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA21419for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:14:17 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id IAA21417 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: f7c084b91111d0da10aa8636aa6b3325 Studio16 NOW Studio16: The bad boy is B A C K! Studio16--Can you hear the SOUND? Ride the WAVE on STUDIO16 STUDIO16: be there or be SQUARE-wave STUDIO16 Consortium ... Yesterday's Tommorrow is Almost HERE . . . You get the idea. Cruise the web a little. This thing could be pretty useful. -- *greenboy* RED|GREEN|BLUE MARS - Nebula & Hugo - Kim Stanley Robinson _ // Team NO AMIGA TO WASTE: Help build programs Ami needs! \X/ AMIGA *http://thunderstorms.org/NATW* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From gclink@dryden.net Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:59:26 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1318 (database) From: Gord Clink To: 'studio16@thule.no' Subject: Changing Attitudes!!! Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 16:59:00 Message-ID: <01BD27E5.9787DEE0@gclink.avenor.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id QAA02591for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:02:35 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA25563for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:58:46 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: bastionhost.avenor.com: Host [10.100.240.153] claimed to be gclink.avenor.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id QAA25560 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 8beee34473402879d466279af8cd21ee I find it very disheartening, and at no-ones fault but Commodores, that we Amiga users were once very proud of our system because it was truly a superior system to anything else, including applications. Now we glow when we can just do the same things as other computers. This is very sad!! Ben is right in a way.... There is very few great software manufacturers left in the Amiga world. I still believe that the Amiga OS is superior to most other systems (Windoze!!), but that doesn't do us much good if there is no high quality software to run on it. I don't really know where I'm trying to go with this, but reading Ben's thoughts made me kind of sad.... Recently, I have send a few messages to some larger software firms like Borland, etc. pleading them to support the Amiga. I don't know if this is wasted effort of what, but I guess it can't hurt. Gord Clink --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From studio16-owner@odin.thule.no Thu Jan 22 01:51:44 1998 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1242 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1319 (database) From: Alfonso Curiel M. To: studio16 Subject: Re: [S16] Forward Into The Past Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 02:53:00 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980121195342.007c2610@mail.vianet.com.mx> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id BAA24695for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 01:51:44 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA07958for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 02:46:56 +0100 X-Sender: TELESTAR@mail.vianet.com.mx X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no >What do you guys think of paying for the capability (f.ex. an AHI driver) ? >- Kenny Of Course I pay for it. saludos... *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From studio16-owner@odin.thule.no Thu Jan 22 04:25:08 1998 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1257 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1320 (database) From: Mike Masquith To: studio16 Subject: Re: [S16] Don't tread on me says Bart Simpson Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 18:37:00 Message-ID: <34C6789D.MD-0.198.masquith@erols.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id EAA27222for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 04:25:07 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA08915for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 05:20:17 +0100 Organization: Barkin' Beaver Studios Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS 0.198 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no > Of course it isn't a rumor! And I guess your ears are more golden than all > those guys that have been mastering since the days of vinyl. They insist > in 20 and 24-bit storage. Maybe you have never noticed "noise-floor" > effects before. Or zippering. Or seen how many people have looked for > algorythms to dither sound during fades to and from the noise-floor. Not > to mention signal-to-noise ratios. I have to agree. (Not with the sarcasm, though! :)) I've read some articles by people in the high end of the recording biz, and the current top-of-the-line digital stuff at 24 bits is just becoming satisfactory to them compared to their high-dollar analog equipment. One guy in particular had some convincing technical arguments behind his statements that digital should use even 32 bits. Some think it's overkill, but these people run multi-million dollar pro studios, and can really hear the difference. My point is that the 16 bit stuff for the Amiga was great in its day, but things are moving fast. We need some more advanced hardware to take over. I'm all for improving our ability to use what we already have, but I would love to see someone start building a 20 or 24 bit card with nothing but digital I/O on it. A friend of mine has a PC and bought a card called WaveCenter. It has 2 ADAT optical interfaces, and 1 pair (in/out) of S/PDIF. The card will work with 16 or 24 bit audio. This is the kind of card that the Amiga platform needs. Something looking towards the future (digital). A big advantage is the A/D D/A converters are external to the card, outside, away from all the noise and RFI inside the computer. The ADAT has become hugely popular, and most decent DAT decks have S/PDIF, or some digital I/O. With this kind of connection, the silence is amazing. If you don't have an ADAT, these guys build an affordable rack mount 8X8 20 bit ADAT compatible A/D D/A converter. I really think (especially after seeing it first hand) that this is the way to go for the future. It would be great if we could convince them to build the same thing for the Amiga. If you want to see it, check out www.frontierdesign.com. By the way, my ears are no more 'golden' than anyone elses. If the real professionals can hear and define the qualitative difference between 16 bit and 24 bit digital, that's reason enough for me to want have 24 bit. -- -Mike Masquith, Barkin' Beaver Studios, VA, USA --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From studio16-owner@odin.thule.no Thu Jan 22 04:25:08 1998 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1252 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1321 (database) From: Mike Masquith To: studio16 Subject: Re: [S16] Forward Into The Past Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 18:39:00 Message-ID: <34C67931.MD-0.198.masquith@erols.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id EAA27223for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 04:25:07 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA08916for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 05:20:17 +0100 Organization: Barkin' Beaver Studios Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS 0.198 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no > What do you guys think of paying for the capability (f.ex. an AHI driver) ? Yes. It's the only way to encourage continued advancements. -- -Mike Masquith, Barkin' Beaver Studios, VA, USA --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From studio16-owner@odin.thule.no Thu Jan 22 04:25:11 1998 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1270 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1322 (database) From: Mike Masquith To: studio16 Subject: Re: Estimated No. Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 17:48:01 Message-ID: <34C66D4B.MD-0.198.masquith@erols.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id EAA27230for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 04:25:10 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA08914for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 05:20:14 +0100 Organization: Barkin' Beaver Studios Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS 0.198 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no > I wonder what the Studio16 user base is! Does anyone have an estimate? If we knew how may boards were sold, this would help justify (or not-justify), additional work on Studio16 based on payment for results. Maybe this mailing list could be advertised on Amiga Web Directory or something! What does everyone else think? I agree. We need to know. Need to get those S16 users to stand up and BE COUNTED! :)) -- -Mike Masquith, Barkin' Beaver Studios, VA, USA --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From studio16-owner@odin.thule.no Thu Jan 22 18:16:40 1998 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1260 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1323 (database) From: tony panaji To: studio16 Subject: Re: [S16] Forward Into The Past Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 18:36:00 Message-ID: <9801221736.AA0030b@star1.demon.co.uk> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA24645for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:16:39 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA14667for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:13:26 +0100 X-Mailer: ADMail 1.7 Copyright 1995 S.T.Brown Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no Hi Brian > On 21-Jan-98, Kenny Nilsen wrote: > > >What do you guys think of paying for the capability (f.ex. an AHI driver) ? > > > >- Kenny > > >--- > >*** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ > > > I would pay also. > > Brian > > baff@mindspring.com > > > --- > *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ > -- I'll pay it's gotta be worth it tony@star1.demon.co.uk (Starlink Research) --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From studio16-owner@odin.thule.no Fri Jan 23 01:35:35 1998 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1294 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1324 (database) From: Mike Masquith To: studio16 Subject: Re: Bars&Pipes Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 16:28:00 Message-ID: <34C7ABD3.MD-0.198.masquith@erols.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id BAA08154for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 01:35:34 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA18742for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 02:32:26 +0100 Organization: Barkin' Beaver Studios Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS 0.198 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no > I think this is a relevent topic, since I'm using Bars & Pipes with Studio16.... > > Does anyone know where I can get a manual, and is there anymore word on Microsoft selling the package back to Amiga Inc.? The manual can be got from: Shane Shariff Box 48539 Vancouver, B.C. Canada V7X 1A3 Email him first at rvr@in2nett.com I've heard no word on Microsofts' plans. One can only hope... -- -Mike Masquith, Barkin' Beaver Studios, VA, USA --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From studio16-owner@odin.thule.no Fri Jan 23 02:31:55 1998 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1325 (database) From: Ben Fuller To: Studio16 List Subject: Some thoughts... Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 03:32:00 Message-ID: <002701bd27a7$45d43a00$0300000a@portaben> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id CAA09232for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 02:31:55 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA19277for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 03:28:39 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no First, an introduction: Hi there, I'm Ben Fuller, at one time I was a Senior Software Engineer for SunRize Industries -- makers of the AD516/Studio16 Digital Audio Workstation software and hardware. Among other things, I was responsible for the automated mixer in v3.0, and the enhanced SMPTE handling in v3.01. I also did the Amiga side of the SoundSwitch software -- including getting it to work seamlessly in the Video Toaster interface, and the killer Arexx API. I created the BigBlocks utility. I also served as the Build Master at SunRize. At one time I was one of the most Die Hard Fanatic Loyalist Developer On A Jihad To Bring The Whole World To Amiga -- at age 17 I was one of the first and quite probably the youngest Commercial Developer (# CC01039 -- which for those that don't know, means I was one of the commercial developers that attended the 2nd Annual Amiga Developer's Conference in November 1986 -- which was when CATS started the commercial and registered developer programs -- the numbering started at CC01000). I was there at the beginning, and I was there at the end (which, by the way, was in early 1994 when the engineering efforts relating to Amiga inside Commodore effectively came to a complete stop). I was very depressed for some time...Then, in late 1994 a funny thing happened... I was lucky enough to be part of the Chicago (aka Win95) beta program... Preemptive-multitasking, 32-bit addressing, open device architecture, device independent everything, decent development tools... It was like deja vu all over again... I discovered that (like it says on the Deathbed Vigil t-shirt) there is life after Commodore. Now, some thoughts: I have been monitoring this list for a while, and have noticed a few misconceptions that I will now attempt to clear up. Myth #1 -- SunRize produced developer documentation for the Studio 16 3.x release. This is simply not true. A developer kit for the 3.x release does not exist. There were a few developers that SunRize worked closely with and provided limited access to 3.x specific information. Getting the AmiLINK to provide SMPTE timecode to Studio16 using the enhanced SMPTE APIs was one instance. Myth #2 -- There is some way to playback samples directly from RAM. While this is technically true (the samples are buffered in RAM), an API for that particular capability was never created *because it was not required for the product*. If you think about this for a minute, it will become obvious -- Studio16 was designed from the ground up to efficiently move sample data from the audio hardware on the card to the hard disk and back to the card. The only thing that matters is that the sample data gets to the speakers at exactly the right time -- Just In Time delivery... not Data Warehousing. Myth #3 -- The Amiga is still a viable commercial platform. This is simply not true. A viable platform for general purpose computing must be able to evolve -- both in hardware and software. A great deal of capital is required to evolve both hardware and software. The risk takers have moved on to investments that will actually give them a return. The quality of Amiga software has degraded significantly since The End, and most (if not all) of those responsible for the best-of-breed applications on Amiga have left the arena. It will be extremely difficult if not impossible to return to the levels of quality neccessary to evolve the platform. Ok, so what about doing an AHI driver or something... Troy Silvey contacted me last year and asked if I could supply developer information for the AD516 and if I would be interested in doing an AHI driver for the card. I did not respond for quite some time -- I'm sure he probably thought that his questions had fallen upon deaf ears. I did some initial research on AHI and after a few unsuccessful attempts at getting the paula driver to work (so that I could examine how the drivers are supposed to function), I put those ideas back on the shelf. When I responded to Troy, in addition to clarifying the mythical existance of developer documentation for the v3.x release, I indicated that I was extremely busy with a project at work and could not devote any resources to an AHI driver at that time, but that I would not rule out doing something after my schedule pressures had subsided. I am now doing some additional research on AHI as time permits, but I have still been unable to get the paula driver to work -- something that will have to happen before I decide to build a driver for the AD516. Best Regards, Ben Fuller [to see what I was working on to intently last year check out http://www.dreamweaver.com/] --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1325 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1326 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Ben Fuller Subject: Re: Some thoughts... Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 18:00:00 Message-ID: <898.327T521T10802450@bgnett.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Ben Fuller wrote: >schedule pressures had subsided. I am now doing some additional research on >AHI as time permits, but I have still been unable to get the paula driver to >work -- something that will have to happen before I decide to build a driver >for the AD516. Hi Ben and thank you for writing, I appreciate it. About the AHI - I know that an earlier version of the Paula driver had a bug. I had problems installing it myself. However, the recent version of the driver works fine here (A4000/030/25). I had to use the preference program to set it up properly. Also, I think it might be a good idea to contact Martin Blom directly. He's a nice guy and works fast (used less than 12 hours from my request for a Studio 16 filesaver to a compiled binary showed up in my mail - not released yet though). His address is mailto:lcs@lysator.liu.se Kind regards, - Kenny X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1318 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1327 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Gord Clink Subject: Re: Changing Attitudes!!! Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 18:15:00 Message-ID: <1485.327T1915T10954144@bgnett.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Gord Clink wrote: >quality software to run on it. I don't really know where I'm trying to go >with this, but reading Ben's thoughts made me kind of sad.... Yup, but think about this way: we're here to share our interrest in sound and video editing using on of the greatest packages there is (was?). Ok, so we are stuck in the past, but the stuff still gives us fun and joy and best of all: it gets the job done! It also proves that we are not average IQ'ed mainstreamers that goes with the flow saying 'gack gack' and jump when others tell us to (M$?) and can't make the optimal out of what we have just because it's not fashion anymore. I think we should focus on getting the best out of what we have, I think that's what most people are here for: the interrest in what the project can bring to their system. Some hope for miracles and some just for a little improvement - nothing is impossible, it just take some energy and willingness. >Recently, I have send a few messages to some larger software firms like >Borland, etc. pleading them to support the Amiga. I don't know if this is >wasted effort of what, but I guess it can't hurt. Never say never, though it would require some luck. The best thing is if Gatway/AI contacted them directly. This has much more influence than a private person. We should bring AI ideas and let them decide what is realitic. They are the 'captain of the ship' and I don't think they want us to hit ground. Well, just my opinions. :-) - Kenny X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1320 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1328 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Mike Masquith Subject: Re: [S16] Don't tread on me says Bart Simpson Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 18:30:00 Message-ID: <1955.327T1661T11103722@bgnett.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Mike Masquith wrote: >I have to agree. (Not with the sarcasm, though! :)) I've read some >articles by people in the high end of the recording biz, and the >current top-of-the-line digital stuff at 24 bits is just becoming >satisfactory to them compared to their high-dollar analog equipment. >One guy in particular had some convincing technical arguments behind Of course, it's pure logic, 32-bit has higher resolution than 16-bit and is closer to analog 'resolution'. But however, I disagree with /some/ of the approach due to a few down to earth things: a) only people in billion dollars or so studios can hear the difference, b) the same people are probably fanatic about it, c) who is gonna hear the end result and what is it stored at and played through ? d) what is most important of the end result: the content or the methode ? Most of the cases 16-bit is more than good enough. For instance, video has a bandwidth approximatly 33khz and even CD-quality is overkill. More and more TV channels broadcast in MPEG - the quality is reduced automatically. Then, most people who watch this video, what sound system do they use ? That's for video. For sound: to squeece the quality of 32-bit the listener needs a pretty good amplifier and even better loudspeakers, a special built listening room and of course good ears. I am sure there are many legitimate reasons to use 32-bit sound (such as reducing integer errors etc.) and I am not against development, quite the contrary, but I think we should compare the weights of it all, is 32-bit worth the trouble when 16-bit still impress people and _most_ people won't hear the difference ? Of course, back in the days when digital was new I'm sure people said the same thing about that as I say about 32-bit sound now :) But I am just trying to look at it from different angles, I am open myself to review my opinions if the reason can be justified. Right now I don't feel they are. regards, - Kenny X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1322 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1329 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Mike Masquith Subject: Re: Estimated No. Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 18:32:01 Message-ID: <316.327T2628T11124277@bgnett.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Mike Masquith wrote: >> does everyone else think? >I agree. We need to know. Need to get those S16 users to stand up and >BE COUNTED! :)) I think that might be difficult. I'm sure Ben Fuller has an approximate sales number, but we don't know how many cards are still in use and not all has Internet. :-/ - Kenny From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:49:28 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1318 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1330 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: [S16] Sky is the limit, at least in that direction Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 06:49:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA05985for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:54:03 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA26324for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:49:48 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id SAA26322 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: cf6586be56930c12239b54fdbbdd6a31 > = Gord Clink's words on 23-Jan-98: >I find it very disheartening, and at no-ones fault but Commodores, that >we Amiga users were once very proud of our system because it was truly a >superior system to anything else, including applications. Now we glow >when we can just do the same things as other computers. This is very >sad!! Ben is right in a way.... Hi, Gord! I too, have been sad over this more than once. A few days ago I tried to articulate here, on the list, what Ben brought clarity to. But we have ourselves to blame, too. I mentioned denial, as practiced by disfunctional (ie, abused) families. Many in the Amiga community have denied these problems exist, so of course there is often very little discussion of solutions. People need to demand better, of themselves and the companies/developers invoved, and make efforts that can be useful. We hid our heads in the sand, not noticing positive, competitive changes and new, better ideas on other platforms. Gary Mula's letter last night welcoming Ben spoke some practical and heartfelt words. Paraphrasing in my own unique and dense-headed style: (1) The platform is viable as long as one can do one's job with it, without being compromised. If one has a sizable investment, knows and fluently uses the tools, it might still be more efficient to keep doing so than to invest in a new platform and its associated complexities. (2) Many of us have a dream still. And if a torch is lit here {AHI driver} and a torch is lit there {improved system-wide printing for instance} . . . why, soon we will be able to light our own village, and beyond! (Hopefully no Irving Goulds or Mehdi Alis will be anywhere near a grass hut with a torch.) >I still believe that the Amiga OS is superior to most other systems >(Windoze!!), but that doesn't do us much good if there is no high >quality software to run on it. Windozzze, as an OS, is a bloated hack, but they have accumulated /some/ good ideas there. And '95 includes some utilities, features, etc, that we are in great need of to be taken seriously in the late 90s. And the development tools are great. And yes, for a professional in any field, or a hobbyist, there are many killer-apps. We lag behind. >Recently, I have send a few messages to some larger software firms like >Borland, etc. pleading them to support the Amiga. I don't know if this >is wasted effort of what, but I guess it can't hurt. That is great. Amiga users (and this includes some developers!) are the reason the Amiga lives. Their advocacy is heartening. I spend a fair amount of time (and spent much as a beta-tester and dealer) talking to developers that are already here on the platform. Some of them are incredibly sharp. But different ones need feedback, encouragement, funds, direction, prodding. Some of them have been here from the start and have suffered The End. I think the best we can do is support with our dollars, our hearts, our ideas--with our eyes open and our ears to the ground. Things can go anywhere-- -- *greenboy* // Team NO AMIGA TO WASTE: Help build programs Ami needs! \X/ AMIGA *http://thunderstorms.org/NATW* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From kenny@bgnett.no 23 Jan 98 18:30:33 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1320 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1331 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Mike Masquith Subject: Re: [S16] Don't tread on me says Bart Simpson Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 18:30:00 Message-ID: <1955.327T1661T11103722@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA07767for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:44:16 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA26741for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:41:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 75ee084fffec6253b82836ff78cecf9c Mike Masquith wrote: >I have to agree. (Not with the sarcasm, though! :)) I've read some >articles by people in the high end of the recording biz, and the >current top-of-the-line digital stuff at 24 bits is just becoming >satisfactory to them compared to their high-dollar analog equipment. >One guy in particular had some convincing technical arguments behind Of course, it's pure logic, 32-bit has higher resolution than 16-bit and is closer to analog 'resolution'. But however, I disagree with /some/ of the approach due to a few down to earth things: a) only people in billion dollars or so studios can hear the difference, b) the same people are probably fanatic about it, c) who is gonna hear the end result and what is it stored at and played through ? d) what is most important of the end result: the content or the methode ? Most of the cases 16-bit is more than good enough. For instance, video has a bandwidth approximatly 33khz and even CD-quality is overkill. More and more TV channels broadcast in MPEG - the quality is reduced automatically. Then, most people who watch this video, what sound system do they use ? That's for video. For sound: to squeece the quality of 32-bit the listener needs a pretty good amplifier and even better loudspeakers, a special built listening room and of course good ears. I am sure there are many legitimate reasons to use 32-bit sound (such as reducing integer errors etc.) and I am not against development, quite the contrary, but I think we should compare the weights of it all, is 32-bit worth the trouble when 16-bit still impress people and _most_ people won't hear the difference ? Of course, back in the days when digital was new I'm sure people said the same thing about that as I say about 32-bit sound now :) But I am just trying to look at it from different angles, I am open myself to review my opinions if the reason can be justified. Right now I don't feel they are. regards, - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From kenny@bgnett.no 23 Jan 98 18:32:52 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1322 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1332 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Mike Masquith Subject: Re: Estimated No. Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 18:32:01 Message-ID: <316.327T2628T11124277@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA07769for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:44:17 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA26743for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:41:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: f9abdf25856d973976aa4b2fdd74214d Mike Masquith wrote: >> does everyone else think? >I agree. We need to know. Need to get those S16 users to stand up and >BE COUNTED! :)) I think that might be difficult. I'm sure Ben Fuller has an approximate sales number, but we don't know how many cards are still in use and not all has Internet. :-/ - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From kenny@bgnett.no 23 Jan 98 18:15:38 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1318 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1333 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Gord Clink Subject: Re: Changing Attitudes!!! Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 18:15:00 Message-ID: <1485.327T1915T10954144@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA07768for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:44:16 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA26742for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:41:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: bf2c359ca9b5b0433d12c1e125814dce Gord Clink wrote: >quality software to run on it. I don't really know where I'm trying to go >with this, but reading Ben's thoughts made me kind of sad.... Yup, but think about this way: we're here to share our interrest in sound and video editing using on of the greatest packages there is (was?). Ok, so we are stuck in the past, but the stuff still gives us fun and joy and best of all: it gets the job done! It also proves that we are not average IQ'ed mainstreamers that goes with the flow saying 'gack gack' and jump when others tell us to (M$?) and can't make the optimal out of what we have just because it's not fashion anymore. I think we should focus on getting the best out of what we have, I think that's what most people are here for: the interrest in what the project can bring to their system. Some hope for miracles and some just for a little improvement - nothing is impossible, it just take some energy and willingness. >Recently, I have send a few messages to some larger software firms like >Borland, etc. pleading them to support the Amiga. I don't know if this is >wasted effort of what, but I guess it can't hurt. Never say never, though it would require some luck. The best thing is if Gatway/AI contacted them directly. This has much more influence than a private person. We should bring AI ideas and let them decide what is realitic. They are the 'captain of the ship' and I don't think they want us to hit ground. Well, just my opinions. :-) - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From kenny@bgnett.no 23 Jan 98 18:00:10 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1325 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1334 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Ben Fuller Subject: Re: Some thoughts... Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 18:00:00 Message-ID: <898.327T521T10802450@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA07772for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:44:17 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA26740for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:41:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: acd90b3c705c73b3f64ddaea94dca239 Ben Fuller wrote: >schedule pressures had subsided. I am now doing some additional research on >AHI as time permits, but I have still been unable to get the paula driver to >work -- something that will have to happen before I decide to build a driver >for the AD516. Hi Ben and thank you for writing, I appreciate it. About the AHI - I know that an earlier version of the Paula driver had a bug. I had problems installing it myself. However, the recent version of the driver works fine here (A4000/030/25). I had to use the preference program to set it up properly. Also, I think it might be a good idea to contact Martin Blom directly. He's a nice guy and works fast (used less than 12 hours from my request for a Studio 16 filesaver to a compiled binary showed up in my mail - not released yet though). His address is mailto:lcs@lysator.liu.se Kind regards, - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From net@dutch.nl Tue, 23 Jun 1998 19:54:40 +0900 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1335 (database) From: Rene' Schaap To: studio16 Subject: RE: RE:It's all a hoax... Area 51-6??? Date: Tue, 23 Jun 98 11:54:00 Message-ID: TCPSMTP_GEN.17791.1352@193.78.25.237 Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA08057for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:55:50 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA26944for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:52:35 +0100 X-ROUTED: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:56:04 0000 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Net X-Mailer: AEMAIL (Amiga eMail), Version 1.40 (October 10 1997), (c) 1997 by John F. Zacharias Organization: No Empty Tape Productions Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 997d68b01a6878e0d5e167cabda4ac56 On Thu, Jan 22, 1998, at 01:11 PM, dhomas trenn wrote: > greenboy spoke and whirled like a Dervish divine: > > > No. You are still missing the point. Though Load and Save are involved, > > being able to use the card to AUDITION your edits/effects is very useful. > > That is all the arexx is for. Just because it is not what you want it to > > It's not what you said it was. You said you had an ARexx script for > sample wrench that allowed it to play back sounds on the AD516 WITHOUT > having to LOAD AND SAVE sounds. I wanted to know how this was > accomplished. You refused to tell us how they did this, insisting that > Dissidents had the information to do what you said this was doing. > This is how i use the sample playback on the Ad516 via Wrench: First o load S16, than i load Wrench. Than load a sample into wrench. My F1 key executes an Arexx scrip which plays a sample loaded in wrench via the Ad516 hardware. So, S16 did not load a sample, wrench played it directly. I do not know if there are any copy-rights on the script, when not i wll send it to you Dhomas. SeeYaa Rene'(DSP) Schaap _ ( ) No Empty tape Productions. ------------------------------ Get your Masterplan ready for the interactive decade. Email : net@Dutch.nl Homepage: http://www.dutch.nl/net Voice : 0031 (0)35 52 42 72 0 FAX : 0031 (0)35 52 66 31 7 --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From doncox@enterprise.net Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:57:01 -0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1318 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1336 (database) From: Don Cox To: Gord Clink Subject: Re: Changing Attitudes!!! Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 17:57:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id TAA08434for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:10:15 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA27128for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 20:07:00 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: c002f42d797e9d78a202cb4a83739e98 On 23-Jan-98, Gord Clink wrote: >is no high quality software to run on it. I don't really know where I'm trying >to go with this, but reading Ben's thoughts made me kind of sad.... The problem is that the sales of Amiga software are tiny - a few copies a year, typically. Most Amiga users have had their machines for ages and have all the software they need. This will only be remedied if Index and Lotus Pacific and DCE sell lots of Amigas to new owners. The market has also been spoiled by the spread of free software on cover disks or elsewhere. Who would buy a sequencer when B&P is free? Hardware is selling well - Power in the UK sold 70 68040 accelerators in a week. Several thousand PPC cards have been sold. Even so, I think people would buy a completely new kind of program, or a really original game. -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From doncox@enterprise.net Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:25:01 -0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1331 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1337 (database) From: Don Cox To: Kenny Nilsen Subject: Re: [S16] Don't tread on me says Bart Simpson Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 20:25:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id TAA08777for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:21:12 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA27230for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 20:18:02 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: cf15db8bb9b91961f3349fae93e32a18 Status: O On 23-Jan-98, Kenny Nilsen wrote: >Of course, it's pure logic, 32-bit has higher resolution than 16-bit and is >closer to analog 'resolution'. But however, I disagree with /some/ of the >approach due to a few down to earth things: a) only people in billion >dollars or so studios can hear the difference, b) the same people are >probably fanatic about it, c) who is gonna hear the end result and what is >it stored at and played through ? d) what is most important of the end >result: the content or the methode ? It depends whether you are talking about masters or final consumer copies. Using the best possible quality for masters makes sense even if current consumer technology can't handle it. Look at the quality of sound we now hear from CD versions of 1940s recordings (taken from original parts) compared to what listeners then got on their 78s. -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:42:15 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1341 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: [S16] A Moving Target Gathers No Moss Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 09:42:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id UAA13386for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 20:48:32 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA28304for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 21:45:11 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id VAA28302 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 4cd604170f28469e449dd36bd87a7cff > = Don Cox's words on 23-Jan-98: >The problem is that the sales of Amiga software are tiny - a few copies a >year, typically. Most Amiga users have had their machines for ages and >have all the software they need. This will only be remedied if Index and >Lotus Pacific and DCE sell lots of Amigas to new owners. Hey, Don, mind if I interject (no, not /that/ I hope :-D) . . . Pro-type users and serious hobbyists (which probably all buyers of the Sunrize products are) probably have different buying-habits than gamers and dabblers. We will pay serious dollars and spend time learning new tools and enhancements. I bet this is a larger, unspoken group than we imagine. I know that I will always buy the next ImageFX or sequencer if it increases my creativity, power, and perhaps ease-of-use. I will ask for more features, capabilites, and modules, and ask for better interfaces. I sold almost exclusively to this type of client when I was a dealer. They are still out there, and most still love their Amigas (even if they have had to expand to other platforms to compete). They are waiting for it to happen here again, I'm sure. This will attract some new buyers, especially if other things are happening. >The market has also been spoiled by the spread of free software on cover >disks or elsewhere. Who would buy a sequencer when B&P is free? Yeah, through desperation, some software houses have given away the store. Others are just dumping less-than-state-of-art titles though. The pleasure and power of even the _current_ AmigaOS coupled with a better sequencer -- well there are some amazing things that are being done elsewhere that increase productivity in this regard. And they have manuals. >On 23-Jan-98, Kenny Nilsen wrote: >Of course, it's pure logic, 32-bit has higher resolution than 16-bit and >is closer to analog 'resolution'. But however, I disagree with /some/ of >the approach due to a few down to earth things: a) only people in billion >dollars or so studios can hear the difference, b) the same people are >probably fanatic about it, c) who is gonna hear the end result and what is >it stored at and played through ? d) what is most important of the end >result: the content or the method ? /Content/ is of course the most important to the artist -- if not always in the entertainment industry. But Method can often help Content find its way to its own level. > = Don Cox's reply on 24-Jan-98: >It depends whether you are talking about masters or final consumer copies. >Using the best possible quality for masters makes sense even if current >consumer technology can't handle it. Look at the quality of sound we now >hear from CD versions of 1940s recordings (taken from original parts) >compared to what listeners then got on their 78s. Archival is still not close to being solved in the industry. Longevity, as well as accuracy, is being sought. And higher-bit-digital is needed for music-for-listening, if not AV. The final consumer quality of the 16-bit CD is pretty high, when good mastering has taken place. AD516 hardware is still useful for many things, because it was well-designed. It can still contribute, especially when used in a project studio surrounded by other quality items. -- *greenboy* // Team NO AMIGA TO WASTE: Help build programs Ami needs! \X/ AMIGA *http://thunderstorms.org/NATW* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From studio16-owner@odin.thule.no Fri Jan 23 19:33:44 1998 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1343 (database) From: Ben Fuller To: studio16 Subject: Re: Estimated No. Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 20:39:00 Message-ID: <002c01bd2836$9c9caae0$d041a8c0@ben200.macromedia.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id TAA09178for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:33:41 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA27404for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 20:30:30 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no Kenny wrote: >... I'm sure Ben Fuller has an approximate sales number, but ... I was in engineering, not accounting... what makes you think I have sales numbers? Ben. --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1343 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1346 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Ben Fuller Subject: Re: Estimated No. Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 22:31:01 Message-ID: <363.327T2895T13514732@bgnett.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Ben Fuller wrote: >Kenny wrote: >>... I'm sure Ben Fuller has an approximate sales number, but ... >I was in engineering, not accounting... what makes you think I have sales >numbers? You sound like you are offended - that was not my intention so if you are I'm sorry. You worked at Sunrize so I assumed you would have known (from others at Sunrize). - Kenny From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:02:30 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1343 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1347 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: [S16] Re: Estimated No. Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 10:02:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA14390for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 21:15:16 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA28689for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 22:12:03 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id WAA28679 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: f2c601efc3d70a09ceaa760f7e0890ba Status: RO >Kenny wrote: > ... I'm sure Ben Fuller has an approximate sales number, but ... > = Ben Fuller's words on 24-Jan-98: >I was in engineering, not accounting... what makes you think I have sales >numbers? Sunrize made a few astounding claims in their Dealer Letters from time to time. Could those be true? you ask. At one time I believed they were: they sent out a lot of high-class promos, and always great glossies! Most likely, the problem was *not* that they hadn't sold enough: they had entered another hardware product into the marketplace at about the same time Amigas became unavailable, the entire marketplace was freaking out, and visions-of-jumping danced in some heads. R&D, advertizing, salaries, and no new slots to put the products into... -- *greenboy* // Team NO AMIGA TO WASTE: Help build programs Ami needs! \X/ AMIGA *http://thunderstorms.org/NATW* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From sag@cae.ca Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:35:18 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1349 (database) From: Serge A Guilbert To: studio16 Subject: Re: SMPTEout -Reply -Reply Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 22:35:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA16234for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 21:41:06 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA29068for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 22:37:51 +0100 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 2ba44c18a26ddaacda623c4bc9e50af9 -->Lots of good info there Serge! ;-) I've yet to try to sync up my Tascam 38 to Glad to help :>) -->One thing Gord and others ( me too ) might benefit from is a CD that has SMPTE Interesting concept. Sounding off; Serge A. Guilbert, B.Eng CAE Electronics, Flight Simulators, Sound Group (514)341-6780 x4129 sag@cae.ca --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From kenny@bgnett.no 23 Jan 98 22:31:57 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1343 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1350 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Ben Fuller Subject: Re: Estimated No. Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 22:31:01 Message-ID: <363.327T2895T13514732@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA16409for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 21:42:31 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA29089for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 22:39:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 8ead3710e286b7a53c9e491215fee023 Ben Fuller wrote: >Kenny wrote: >>... I'm sure Ben Fuller has an approximate sales number, but ... >I was in engineering, not accounting... what makes you think I have sales >numbers? You sound like you are offended - that was not my intention so if you are I'm sorry. You worked at Sunrize so I assumed you would have known (from others at Sunrize). - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:54:17 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1352 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: [S16] Breakfast Of Champs? Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 10:54:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA16837for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 21:57:01 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA29280for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 22:53:58 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id WAA29277 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 5175bc660d383e13176f560d3ff19f40 Ben Fuller wrote: >>AHI as time permits, but I have still been unable to get the paula driver to >>work -- something that will have to happen before I decide to build a driver >>for the AD516. Ah, jeez! Not this. Kenny: >About the AHI - I know that an earlier version of the Paula driver had a bug. >I had problems installing it myself. However, the recent version of the >driver works fine here (A4000/030/25). I had to use the preference program to >set it up properly. Good. A false alarm. Gord Clink wrote: >>quality software to run on it. I don't really know where I'm trying to go >>with this, but reading Ben's thoughts made me kind of sad.... Kenny here: >Yup, but think about this way: we're here to share our interest in sound >and video editing using on of the greatest packages there is (was?). Ok, so >we are stuck in the past, but the stuff still gives us fun and joy and best >of all: it gets the job done! they can't make the optimal out of what >we have just because it's not fashion anymore. I think we should focus on >getting the best out of what we have, I think that's what most people are >here for: the interest in what the project can bring to their system. Some >hope for miracles and some just for a little improvement - nothing is >impossible, it just take some energy and willingness. AMEN. I hate quoting such big chunks in email but this is all so true, especially for any endeavors in artistic way. The piano is still around, isn't it? And some folks are playing some /real/ old Strads. [*NOT* the Fender© guitar, thank you! %-/] Gord: >>Recently, I have send a few messages to some larger software firms like Kenny again: >The best thing is if Gateway/AI contacted them directly. This has much more >influence than a private person. We should bring AI ideas and let them >decide what is realitic. They are the 'captain of the ship' and I don't >think they want us to hit ground. Everybody needs to do what they can, I guess. Mike Masquith wrote: >>I have to agree. (Not with the sarcasm, though! :)) I've read some >>articles by people in the high end of the recording biz, and the >>current top-of-the-line digital stuff at 24 bits is just becoming >>satisfactory to them compared to their high-dollar analog equipment. What's wrong with sarcasm? Especially if it is fleet-of-foot? {:)-|==< Kenny replied: >reducing integer errors etc.) and I am not against development, quite the >contrary, but I think we should compare the weights of it all, is 32-bit >worth the trouble when 16-bit still impress people and _most_ people won't >hear the difference? >:) But I am just trying to look at it from different angles, I am open >myself to review my opinions if the reason can be justified. Right now I Actually there have been a couple of interim solutions to store 20-bit sound using 16-bit cards, but they are not especially applicable here . . . The AD516 quality -- in a setting with the proper outboard gear, and all precautions taken to ensure good signal-to-noise ratio (read: solve all grounding problems & consider balanced power) -- CAN STILL BLOW MINDS! -- *greenboy* // Team NO AMIGA TO WASTE: Help build programs Ami needs! \X/ AMIGA *http://thunderstorms.org/NATW* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:03:14 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1350 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1353 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: Re: Estimated, Nothin' Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 11:03:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id WAA17109for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 22:06:14 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA29395for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 23:02:19 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id XAA29393 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 287768068d03ca67171e7b1e57e65979 Kenny wrote: >>>... I'm sure Ben Fuller has an approximate sales number, but ... Ben Fuller wrote: >>I was in engineering, not accounting... what makes you think I have sales >>numbers? > = Kenny Nilsen's words on 24-Jan-98: >You sound like you are offended - that was not my intention so if you are Another instance when it would be nice to have streaming videophones instead of keyboards. That way we could misread each other's facial expressions and body-english instead 8^] -- *greenboy* // Team NO AMIGA TO WASTE: Help build programs Ami needs! \X/ AMIGA *http://thunderstorms.org/NATW* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From gclink@dryden.net Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:33:47 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1354 (database) From: Gord Clink To: 'studio16@thule.no' Subject: John??? Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 23:33:00 Message-ID: <01BD281C.AE682CA0@gclink.avenor.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id WAA17860for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 22:36:22 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA29741for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 23:32:53 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: bastionhost.avenor.com: Host [10.100.240.153] claimed to be gclink.avenor.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id XAA29739 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: a52d8a86409b60a336e3a58566cec153 What ever happended to "John" I think his name was, one of the other guys from SunRize...... "John Hickson" or something like that.... Or maybe I'm wrong.... Anyway, does anyone know what happened to him? Or is he working for the same company as you Ben? Gord Clink --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1355 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: All Subject: Getting back on track Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 23:59:00 Message-ID: <2125.327T1376T14393093@bgnett.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Oukidouki, let's try to get back on track. I have a few requests for some of the people who has been forward on the list: - John Blyth: how's the analyse on the config files going ? - Bob Maple/Alfonso Curiel: why don't you two cooperate on the CMX <-> Cuelist converter. I will give you both a free version of the forthcoming QMaster arexx host if you would like to make an arexx program to do the convertion (Qmaster supply all needed arexx comands to handle cuelist files and it does it pretty fast (asm) :) - Greenboy: I have contacted Stephan Kost (SoundFX) and a guy called Doug Shannon. If you like I can channel further contact to you. The contact I am trying to establish with them is related to support and information (respectivly). Greenboy also mentioned a brainstorming so why don't we have one. If you have _anything_ on your mind, big or small, genious or stupid, doesn't matter, just let us know. Ok, I'll start off with some ideas of my own: - Graphical editor of mixer files. To adjust and fine-"tune" the envelopes, better grouping, arexx and more. - Filter processing. Lowpass, highpass, bandpass and notch filtering. I have already made the FPU/asm routines (almost realtime on my 030/25 so it should be capable of doing realtime on a 040/25 or better), but need a gui and AHI interface... - Library to handle the Studio 16 files. Allow simple handling. For QMaster: Arexx script that can fix paths in cuelists. Useful if you move samples on your HD and don't want to spend time on editing every single entry. Jukebox - rather useless. Can parse a sampledir and put samples after one eachother, hence jukebox. Nice when you have company I guess. AppendCuelists - merges cuelists _horizontally_ . Studio 16's own merge function can only merge vertically. All entries from the second cuelist are grouped together so they can easily be adjusted. .. I'm empty, it's getting late :) but please append the list. Just have in mind that modules that interface with Studio 16 directly will be unlikely to have maded so consider all projects to be external programs to accompny Studio 16. - Kenny From kenny@bgnett.no 23 Jan 98 23:59:27 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1356 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: All Subject: Getting back on track Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 23:59:00 Message-ID: <2125.327T1376T14393093@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id XAA19098for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 23:12:41 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA30009for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 00:09:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: fbe95e8261be3c3c758955dc0afc0635 Oukidouki, let's try to get back on track. I have a few requests for some of the people who has been forward on the list: - John Blyth: how's the analyse on the config files going ? - Bob Maple/Alfonso Curiel: why don't you two cooperate on the CMX <-> Cuelist converter. I will give you both a free version of the forthcoming QMaster arexx host if you would like to make an arexx program to do the convertion (Qmaster supply all needed arexx comands to handle cuelist files and it does it pretty fast (asm) :) - Greenboy: I have contacted Stephan Kost (SoundFX) and a guy called Doug Shannon. If you like I can channel further contact to you. The contact I am trying to establish with them is related to support and information (respectivly). Greenboy also mentioned a brainstorming so why don't we have one. If you have _anything_ on your mind, big or small, genious or stupid, doesn't matter, just let us know. Ok, I'll start off with some ideas of my own: - Graphical editor of mixer files. To adjust and fine-"tune" the envelopes, better grouping, arexx and more. - Filter processing. Lowpass, highpass, bandpass and notch filtering. I have already made the FPU/asm routines (almost realtime on my 030/25 so it should be capable of doing realtime on a 040/25 or better), but need a gui and AHI interface... - Library to handle the Studio 16 files. Allow simple handling. For QMaster: Arexx script that can fix paths in cuelists. Useful if you move samples on your HD and don't want to spend time on editing every single entry. Jukebox - rather useless. Can parse a sampledir and put samples after one eachother, hence jukebox. Nice when you have company I guess. AppendCuelists - merges cuelists _horizontally_ . Studio 16's own merge function can only merge vertically. All entries from the second cuelist are grouped together so they can easily be adjusted. .. I'm empty, it's getting late :) but please append the list. Just have in mind that modules that interface with Studio 16 directly will be unlikely to have maded so consider all projects to be external programs to accompny Studio 16. - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From sag@cae.ca Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:08:40 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1357 (database) From: Serge A Guilbert To: studio16 Subject: Re: SMPTEout -Reply -Reply Date: Sat, 24 Jan 98 00:08:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id XAA19103for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 23:12:45 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA30024for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 00:09:42 +0100 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 2ece59d255c433a31ae1e4768772d25b Hello Don; -->Did you ever try the SMPTEout module with the Amiga genlocked to a video I don't have any video equipment. Not too familiar with that domain, unfortunately. -->camera? That ought to give a more accurate timing, but I haven't had a chance Please pardon my ignorance, but I'm not sure I understand your setup. Would the SMPTEOut be used as the Master? Is the video camera used as a slave? Who supplies the genlock code to synch the Amiga? Or is it vice versa? Just curious. -->You don't mention what version of the SMPTEoutput you tested. I have 1.02. I think it's the latest (1.02???). -->As the software multitasks, perhaps it is being delayed by having to share -->time with other tasks? I was thinking about this after I wrote my rambling response. It occurred to me that CyberGraphx (v2) might be a culprit in this situation. It has already been established that CyberGraphx creates audio glitches during video updates. I know that other users swear by the SMPTEOut's accuracy. Whenever I get a chance to update to CyberGraphx v3 (hopefully soon!), I'll try and see if SMPTEOut is any more accurate than it is now. Perhaps, in the interests of pseudo-science, other users who don't use CyberGraphx (and even those who do), could, at their leisure, try out this simple test, and report their findings back to the mailing list. All they need is the SMPTEOut Module, an AD516, and a sequencer which locks up with Studio16 (B&P, etc). 1. Program a five minute drum beat onto the sequencer. Even a metronome would do. 2. Using the Studio16 Internal SMPTE Generator, record a few five minute tracks onto the Cuelist. The idea is to keep to the beat playing back from the sequencer. Simple guitar would do, or even hand clapping. 3. Just to see what happens, change the SMPTE time frame of the Studio16, on the Preferences menu, and play back the Cuelist you have just recorded. For ex, if you first recorded with 30FPS, drop it to 24FPS. What you should notice is that the Cuelist tracks start to drift after a while (in reference to the sequencer). This will happen because the sequencer (and all other MIDI equipment) will adjust itself to whatever speed SMPTE is at. The Cuelist can't do that. 4. Now that you know what to expect, return the SMPTE time frame to the original setting (30FPS), and try playing back the Cuelist using the SMPTEOut module this time. If your SMPTEOut module is as inaccurate as mine, once again you should notice a drift occuring. Just a thought. Sounding off; Serge A. Guilbert, B.Eng CAE Electronics, Flight Simulators, Sound Group (514)341-6780 x4129 sag@cae.ca --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From benfuller@msn.com Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:08:00 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1358 (database) From: Ben Fuller To: studio16 Subject: Re: John??? Date: Sat, 24 Jan 98 00:08:00 Message-ID: <007f01bd2853$ca1c70a0$d041a8c0@ben200.macromedia.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id XAA19268for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 23:16:48 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA30076for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 00:13:32 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no From: Gord Clink X-UIDL: be5140f1a0a8eae213ec0afd064b8e1f >What ever happended to "John" I think his name was, one of the other guys from There was no one at SunRize named John when I was there. Ben. --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From gmula@nwlink.com Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:53:17 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1358 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1359 (database) From: Gary Mula To: Gord Clink Subject: Re: John??? Date: Sat, 24 Jan 98 00:53:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id XAA20197for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 23:54:00 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA30424for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 00:50:47 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 7f286e63cbc790915de2fc2b2aadf437 On 23-Jan-98, Gord Clink wrote: >>What ever happended to "John" I think his name was, one of the other guys >from I used to talk often with Todd Modjeski and Doug... I don't recall Dougs last name. He handeled the beta testers. Both were great guys. Very friendly and helpful Of course Anthony was head honch. Early on I talked to him often as well.... I really wonder what he is up to...?? -- ------------------------------------------------------- Gary Mula / CALLEYE Productions / The Dutchman Singer-Songwriter / Producer Seattle, Washington, USA Team *AMIGA* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From kenny@bgnett.no 24 Jan 98 01:50:21 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1359 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1363 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Gary Mula Subject: Re: John??? Date: Sat, 24 Jan 98 01:50:00 Message-ID: <268.328T1076T1102533@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id BAA21888for ; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 01:13:28 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA30894for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 02:10:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: d30c4246fb6b960a60538af246e7ac45 Gary Mula wrote: >I used to talk often with Todd Modjeski and Doug... I don't Shannon ? >recall Dougs last name. He handeled the beta testers. >Both were great guys. Very friendly and helpful John, could it be Jamie (Krutz) ? If so, he's on the list. - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From varebel@techcom.net Fri, 23 Jan 1998 21:16:04 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1365 (database) From: Danny Whitesel To: studio16 Subject: Digest version... Date: Sat, 24 Jan 98 03:16:00 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980123211555.006c57a4@209.96.160.6> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id CAA23099for ; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 02:18:08 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA31423for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 03:13:25 +0100 X-Sender: varebel@209.96.160.6 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: e1dadf9ef085b8e80613cc8a4a4a6b5c I looked for this option when I signed up for the Studio16 list and I didn't see it. Is there anyway to get the list in a digest version? At first it was no big deal...A few message a day. Now I got to check mail and I see, "Downloading message 1 of 37". YIKES! --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From gclink@dryden.net Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:32:20 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1359 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1366 (database) From: Gord Clink To: studio16 Subject: Re: John??? Date: Thu, 24 Jan 8 04:32:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id CAA23269for ; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 02:30:32 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA31550for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 03:27:28 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: e833ddd6bc14dcd1ca3284c66c823150 >I used to talk often with Todd Modjeski and Doug... I don't >recall Dougs last name. He handeled the beta testers. >Both were great guys. Very friendly and helpful Yes..... Todd Modjeski is the guy I'm talking about.... I don't know why I was thinking John.... sorry!!!! I talked to Todd once, but he didn't seem to be too interested in Studio16 anymore.... Gord --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From fdiebel@emrl.com Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:33:00 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1349 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1367 (database) From: Floyd Diebel To: Serge A Guilbert Subject: Re: SMPTEout -Reply -Reply Date: Sat, 24 Jan 98 03:33:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id CAA23360for ; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 02:36:51 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA31628for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 03:33:50 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Experimental Media Research Laboratory MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 6e9dca351888dddaca8ca5d9bb853aef On 23-Jan-98, Serge A Guilbert wrote: >-->Lots of good info there Serge! ;-) I've yet to try to sync up my Tascam 38 >to >Glad to help :>) >-->One thing Gord and others ( me too ) might benefit from is a CD that has >SMPTE >Interesting concept. this works flawlessly for me. this is how i link my flyer to the machine with the ad516s installed. -- fdiebel@bartok.emrl.com a/v composition and engineering. --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1365 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1368 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Danny Whitesel Subject: Re: Digest version... Date: Sat, 24 Jan 98 04:28:00 Message-ID: <214.328T2399T2684664@bgnett.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Danny Whitesel wrote: >didn't see it. Is there anyway to get the list in a digest version? At Sorry, Majordomo only offer global digest mode (AFAIK) and that will make everyone receive in digest form. - Kenny From kenny@bgnett.no 24 Jan 98 04:28:47 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1365 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1369 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Danny Whitesel Subject: Re: Digest version... Date: Sat, 24 Jan 98 04:28:00 Message-ID: <214.328T2399T2684664@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id DAA24293for ; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 03:33:59 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA31971for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 04:30:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: a50fb29d515273725db27c498a1614a4 Danny Whitesel wrote: >didn't see it. Is there anyway to get the list in a digest version? At Sorry, Majordomo only offer global digest mode (AFAIK) and that will make everyone receive in digest form. - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From sag@cae.ca Fri, 23 Jan 1998 22:33:30 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1370 (database) From: Serge A Guilbert To: studio16 Subject: Re: SMPTEout -Reply -Reply Date: Sat, 24 Jan 98 04:33:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id DAA24334for ; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 03:36:46 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA32008for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 04:33:46 +0100 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: c138de58abbda482b053c68cd55ca2fa Hello Richard; -->In your very informative reply to Gord Clink you mentioned: Very kind. -->Do I understand this correctly? You had drifting problems between the Studio 16 -->cuelist and B&P using only the internal SMPTE generator in Studio 16? Was this -->because the Studio 16 tracks were originally recorded using an external SMPTE -->source? Yes indeed. The timing problems were caused because I had striped my R-8 reel-to-reel (my Master SMPTE) with an inaccurate time code. As a result, the subsequent tracks recorded onto the Cuelist (using the R-8 as SMPTE Master) were affected. Why? A small example: Let's say we want to make a simple song. A MIDI drum sequence (played on the B&P sequencer), an analog bass, an acoustic guitar, and a vocal (or two, for effect). Let's say, for argument's sake that the SMPTEOut generates a code which is slightly slow (say it loses 1 second after 3 minutes). If we use the SMPTEOut as our SMPTE Master (or we use the reel-to-reel R-8; it's the same thing, relatively speaking, because the R-8 is striped using the SMPTEOut), then the sequencer (B&P) will play along at that slightly slower speed. Why, you may ask? It's got to do with the nature of the MIDI/SMPTE conversion process, which B&P uses. It doesn't differentiate between slower, or faster incoming code (nor should it, really). It simply converts the highs, and lows of the analog SMPTE levels into an equivalent binary MIDI value. If you were to slow down the incoming SMPTE code to 1/10 its original speed (you can do this with the pitch control of your ree-to-reel), you will find that B&P will slow down its count accordingly. Of course, at this speed, you would probably notice an audible difference. The catch is, however, if the SMPTE code is only SLIGHTLY slow, as in this example, you won't be able to notice an audible difference. In our example, this means that the MIDI drum track which we've programmed in B&P will also play slightly slower than it really should. OK, now it's time to lay down an analog bass track, an acoustic guitar, and a lead vocal, all onto the Studio16 Cuelist, but, using this slowed down MIDI drum track (or click track, or metronome) as a reference, albeit a faulty one. You can see what's going to happen. All the analog tracks will be recorded onto the Cuelist in synch with that reference. (Keep in mind, however, you should never have a problem with drifting as long as you ALWAYS use the SMPTEOut as your SMPTE Master.) So where, oh where is the problem you ask? If we try to use the Internal SMPTE Generator, which is an accurate source, to play back our freshly recorded Cuelist tracks, we will find that the tracks will start to drift (maybe after a few minutes). This is because, this time, the incoming SMPTE code is the correct speed, and a result, B&P will convert the code at the correct speed (ie: slightly faster than before). This means that the MIDI drum beat will also be generated slighly faster. No big deal right? Wrong. Don't forget, Studio16 will NOT play back its analog tracks slightly faster. It will either play at the sampled speed, or it won't (let's assume 44.1Khz). It doesn't dynamically convert on-the-fly. In this case, the erroneous SMPTEOut is not inaccurate enough to actually stop Studio16 from playing. As a result, we now have a drum track which plays back at a slightly faster speed, and the bass, guitar, and vocals, which are in synch with each other, but all slghtly slower than the critical drum track. Say hello to Mr. Drift. Not good at all. You can kiss that session goodbye. How do I know the Internal SMPTE is accurate? Well, using the same test described above, I've compared it with the output of my rack-mount Fostex 4010 SMPTE Generator (Rock-steady, remember? :>) ). Very accurate. Very compatible. No drift . No problems. I'm guessing here, but it's my impression that the Internal SMPTE Generator will always be inherently more accurate than the SMPTEOut Module, because the Internal SMPTE uses the AD516 hardware (and crystal). The SMPTEOut, on the other hand, is a stand-alone s/w module which doesn't even require the presence of a hardware card. Perhaps it uses the motherboard clock? Whatever it does, it probably polls the Zorro bus, which will engender delays (pure speculation). Maybe others can clarify. In my particular case, it may even be affected by CyberGraphx audio update problems (documented previously). In response to your query: yes, "the relationship between Studio 16 and B&P is solid, as long as the internal SMPTE on the AD516 is the timing source for both." I feel it's important to stress, that, almost any source will be accurate, relatively speaking, as long as it's the same source which is used all the time for record and playback. The danger is though, that if your supposed "standard" SMPTE source is not really standard (compared to the rest of the world), you are limiting the "transportability" of your recordings. This may, or may not be a problem for you, depending on your personal needs. For what it's worth, if you haven't already guessed, my personal feeling is, you don't screw around with your SMPTE source. It controls everything. Maybe even the size of your paycheque. HA! -->internal SMPTE of the AD516 as my timing source. I played a 90 second sequence Careful. 90 seconds does not give you much of a chance to catch phasing, or drifting problems. Give it a good 5 minutes. -->and simultaneously recorded it to a Studio 16 track. I repeated the procedure -->but recorded the sequence to a different track. I then played the recorded -->tracks simutaneously to see how accurate the synchronization was. The two -->tracks were pretty close (a very slight chorus effect showed up indicating a -->small offset, probably less than 10 milliseconds). I now wonder if I should If I understand you correctly, you are recording your B&P sequence onto your Studio16 Cuelist. Correct? I've never tried that. In the process you describe, you should always be right on, because your SMPTE source remains unchanged. The phasing is likely because of B&P. I have experienced the "phasing" you describe, except, in my case, I've noticed it while using B&P directly. It's most likely caused by the amount of randomness you allow B&P while playing your sequence. For ex, if you insert a Pattern Tool onto one of your drum tracks, which contains the same data as the actual track itself, and play them both, you will notice the phasing on SOME of the notes. This is because B&P will add a slight randomness while playing each note (to "naturalize" it), so that the two same notes won't play with exactly the same MIDI characteristics. The same would happen if you played the same track twice in a row (which you would never notice), or, as in your case, recorded the same track onto two synched up Cuelist tracks, allowing for a direct comparision. You may want to verify your B&P settings. Rest easy. Synch In Peace.... Sounding off; Serge A. Guilbert, B.Eng CAE Electronics, Flight Simulators, Sound Group (514)341-6780 x4129 sag@cae.ca --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From sag@cae.ca Fri, 23 Jan 1998 22:47:42 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1371 (database) From: Serge A Guilbert To: studio16 Subject: [S16] Pay the Piper, Dance into the Future -Reply Date: Sat, 24 Jan 98 04:47:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id DAA24577for ; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 03:51:10 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA32134for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 04:48:08 +0100 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 6d184ed00f76bc0f88d2f7d2e4860f0c -->What do you guys think of paying for the capability (f.ex. an AHI driver) ? -->Kenny, I am totally convinced that the scope of the project is so huge, at -->least the way I envision it, that it would be negligent NOT to pay for it. -->I want the real stuff. I want the developer to feel compensated enough to -->continue to grow a killer-mondo-monster-shredder. The best the hardware is -->capable of delivering... Agreed. I'd even offer a downpayment (conditionally, of course). Pay the Piper so we can Play with the Piper. Sounding off; Serge A. Guilbert, B.Eng CAE Electronics, Flight Simulators, Sound Group (514)341-6780 x4129 sag@cae.ca --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From sag@cae.ca Fri, 23 Jan 1998 23:04:55 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1372 (database) From: Serge A Guilbert To: studio16 Subject: Syncing to Tape -Reply Date: Sat, 24 Jan 98 05:04:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id EAA25211for ; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 04:08:50 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA32278for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 05:05:45 +0100 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 4484834b712c3d30b1a9c50852f0d990 Hello Gary; -->I have to say though that my trouble shooting didn't bring me to the same -->conclusion about the Sunrize SMPTE Output. Hmmm. Like I've mentioned on other responses, I'm beginning to suspect the evil workings of CyberGraphx v2... :>) I understand your point of view though, but as per my experience, I still stand by my statement. I'll take a h/w driven clock device over a s/w one any day. Nonetheless, I'm glad to see others are using SMPTEOut with success. The last thing I wanted to do was start some unwarranted fear-mongering. -->get the prompt. Mind you this is when there in no SMPTE present at all. I've noticed the same thing occuring at times. For a while, I thought this was just a bug with the Studio16 s/w. Just added to the confusion, whatthehey. Sounding off; Serge A. Guilbert, B.Eng CAE Electronics, Flight Simulators, Sound Group (514)341-6780 x4129 sag@cae.ca --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From baff@mindspring.com Sat, 24 Jan 1998 00:41:52 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1337 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1373 (database) From: Brian Fields To: Don Cox Subject: Re: [S16] Don't tread on me says Bart Simpson Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 20:41:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id FAA26741for ; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 05:47:53 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA00346for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 06:44:46 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 7cb6e212bdb2f3e6b25b4dc603679b73 On 24-Jan-98, Don Cox wrote: >On 23-Jan-98, Kenny Nilsen wrote: >>Of course, it's pure logic, 32-bit has higher resolution than 16-bit and is >>closer to analog 'resolution'. But however, I disagree with /some/ of the >>approach due to a few down to earth things: a) only people in billion >>dollars or so studios can hear the difference, b) the same people are >>probably fanatic about it, c) who is gonna hear the end result and what is >>it stored at and played through ? d) what is most important of the end >>result: the content or the methode ? >It depends whether you are talking about masters or final consumer copies. >Using the best possible quality for masters makes sense even if current >consumer technology can't handle it. Look at the quality of sound we now hear >from CD versions of 1940s recordings (taken from original parts) compared to >what listeners then got on their 78s. >-- >Don Cox >doncox@enterprise.net Just for head food guys. The ADSP 2105 can be cascaded can it not? Would filters or buffers allow the ASDP 2105 to do 32 bit sampling? I'm not sure whether I'm off base or not. I do some work with IC hardware and I decided a while back to keep my head in my music for now. But I was just wondering. Maybe Mr. Fuller would care to answer. I understand completely if he doesn't have the time to respond. Brian Fields baff@mindspring.com >--- >*** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From baff@mindspring.com Sat, 24 Jan 1998 00:43:47 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1323 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1374 (database) From: Brian Fields To: tony panaji Subject: Re: [S16] Forward Into The Past Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 20:43:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id FAA26792for ; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 05:50:34 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA00380for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 06:47:35 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: e6be065480d110b76623005a9213964c On 22-Jan-98, tony panaji wrote: >Hi Brian >> On 21-Jan-98, Kenny Nilsen wrote: >> >What do you guys think of paying for the capability (f.ex. an AHI driver) ? >> >- Kenny >> >--- >> >*** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ >> I would pay also. >> Brian >> baff@mindspring.com >-- I'll pay it's gotta be worth it > tony@star1.demon.co.uk (Starlink Research) Hi Tony, Welcome. Brian Fields >--- >*** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1373 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1375 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Brian Fields Subject: Re: [S16] Don't tread on me says Bart Simpson Date: Sat, 24 Jan 98 07:34:00 Message-ID: <898.328T5T4541934@bgnett.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Brian Fields wrote: >Just for head food guys. The ADSP 2105 can be cascaded can it not? >Would filters or buffers allow the ASDP 2105 to do 32 bit sampling? In my research on the ADSP2105 I only found it capable of doing 16-bit operations. BTW: Did you guys know that the DSP has an Serial IO ? That means the DSP itself can emulate modems (eg. voice modem, tone recognition etc.). I dunno it the serial capability is accessible through the card though.. It's fully possible to feed sound to the DSP itself outside Studio 16 - I have already manged to do so, but what I haven't managed is to control the environment (setting volumes for inputs, output oscillators, frequency, pan for channels etc.). The sound spends its time playing, but no sound comes out so I need an overview on the environment. Maybe Ben has some valuable information on the hardware specs/dsp registres etc. ? - Kenny From kenny@bgnett.no 24 Jan 98 07:34:00 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1373 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1376 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Brian Fields Subject: Re: [S16] Don't tread on me says Bart Simpson Date: Sat, 24 Jan 98 07:34:00 Message-ID: <898.328T5T4541934@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id HAA28329for ; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 07:33:12 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA01076for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 08:30:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 946a5bfd652c4c80ae752bf03a3d5c76 Brian Fields wrote: >Just for head food guys. The ADSP 2105 can be cascaded can it not? >Would filters or buffers allow the ASDP 2105 to do 32 bit sampling? In my research on the ADSP2105 I only found it capable of doing 16-bit operations. BTW: Did you guys know that the DSP has an Serial IO ? That means the DSP itself can emulate modems (eg. voice modem, tone recognition etc.). I dunno it the serial capability is accessible through the card though.. It's fully possible to feed sound to the DSP itself outside Studio 16 - I have already manged to do so, but what I haven't managed is to control the environment (setting volumes for inputs, output oscillators, frequency, pan for channels etc.). The sound spends its time playing, but no sound comes out so I need an overview on the environment. Maybe Ben has some valuable information on the hardware specs/dsp registres etc. ? - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From baff@mindspring.com Sat, 24 Jan 1998 02:41:28 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1376 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1377 (database) From: Brian Fields To: Kenny Nilsen Subject: Re: [S16] Don't sample on me says Bart Simpson Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 22:41:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id HAA28531for ; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 07:47:27 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA01181for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 08:44:22 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 2de98f0f19540c045653e935b46a4a30 On 24-Jan-98, Kenny Nilsen wrote: >Brian Fields wrote: >>Just for head food guys. The ADSP 2105 can be cascaded can it not? >>Would filters or buffers allow the ASDP 2105 to do 32 bit sampling? >In my research on the ADSP2105 I only found it capable of doing 16-bit >operations. >BTW: Did you guys know that the DSP has an Serial IO ? That means the DSP >itself can emulate modems (eg. voice modem, tone recognition etc.). I dunno >it the serial capability is accessible through the card though.. >It's fully possible to feed sound to the DSP itself outside Studio 16 - I >have already manged to do so, but what I haven't managed is to control the >environment (setting volumes for inputs, output oscillators, frequency, pan >for channels etc.). The sound spends its time playing, but no sound comes >out so I need an overview on the environment. >Maybe Ben has some valuable information on the hardware specs/dsp registres >etc. ? >- Kenny You've got MY attention. To go where no sound card has gone before. Why not? (rhetorically speaking of course). Brian >--- >*** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From maurizio@ivg.it Sat, 24 Jan 1998 11:57:47 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1378 (database) From: Maurizio Ciccione To: studio16 Subject: An official statement by AudioLabs Date: Sat, 24 Jan 98 11:57:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id LAA01523for ; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 11:14:18 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA02222for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 12:11:08 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.2 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 92bab1f3274a0e19c8e057bcf241d499 Hello everybody, after my recent posting of some notes about AudioLabs' products (the already released AudioLab16 and the forthcoming ProStation) I've got interesting feedback both in the mailing list and privately. Thanks. It seems that part of the audience in this list be excited by the chance of running a modern (1998) hi-end application on their AD516 hardware and I confirm my interest in making it happen. During recent days the discussion in this ml focused on the need for an AHI driver, and the difficulties involved in getting one. On this theme, I'd like to clarify (this may interest at least "that" part of the audience) that an AHI driver for the AD516 would NOT allow to use ProStation or AudioLab16 with the Sunrize hardware. AudioLabs' products require AudioLabs' drivers. They support every major ZII/ZIII board (including those not supported by AHI) both in analog and digital modes plus analog motherboard output. We don't make drivers, the hardware manifacturers do after we reach a commercial agreement. As for the development itself, it's just a matter of an hour of work, on average, with our supervision. Unfortunatly the AD516 is the only ZII board without a driver as there isn't a manifacturer we can discuss with. (I'm not stating that AudioLabs will never support AHI, simply there are no plans as of today). Thanks for reading. All the best, dr. Maurizio Ciccione AudioLabs, Digital Audio Engineering --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From jacob@iag.net Sat, 24 Jan 1998 10:32:02 EST5EDT4,M4.1.0 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1357 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1379 (database) From: Jacob Ellis To: Serge A Guilbert Subject: Re: SMPTEout -Reply -Reply Date: Sat, 24 Jan 98 16:32:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id PAA06455for ; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 15:32:20 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA03697for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 16:28:48 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: cadbfd6efd8c1bd21f14a86274140d66 On 23-Jan-98, Serge A Guilbert wrote: >Hello Don; >Please pardon my ignorance, but I'm not sure I understand your setup. Would >the >SMPTEOut be used as the Master? Is the video camera used as a slave? Who >supplies >the genlock code to synch the Amiga? Or is it vice versa? Just curious. The video camera (or blackburst generator or whatever) would supply the timing clock, a genlock would synchronize the Amiga to the video source, and SMPTEout would output SMPTE based on the timing signals provided by the video camera. The idea being that each SMPTE frame is synchronized with each video frame (ie., so you don't have a new SMPTE frame occuring halfway through a video frame etc.). It is quite possible such a synchronization method would provide a more stable timing reference over a period of time when compared to an aging Amiga no longer in its prime. >-->You don't mention what version of the SMPTEoutput you tested. I have 1.02. >I think it's the latest (1.02???). Same version here. >-->As the software multitasks, perhaps it is being delayed by having to share >-->time with other tasks? >I was thinking about this after I wrote my rambling response. It occurred to >me >that CyberGraphx (v2) might be a culprit in this situation. It has already >been >established that CyberGraphx creates audio glitches during video updates. I >know >that other users swear by the SMPTEOut's accuracy. Whenever I stripe with SMPTEout, it will be the only program running (all utils and hacks turned off). I haven't yet had any problems, even when striping to very abused old decks. >Whenever I get a chance to update to CyberGraphx v3 (hopefully soon!), I'll >try >and see if SMPTEOut is any more accurate than it is now. CGX v3 is much better, I can run Studio16 with a couple tracks going and not get any audio interruptions when I change screens. >4. Now that you know what to expect, return the SMPTE time frame to the >original >setting (30FPS), and try playing back the Cuelist using the SMPTEOut module >this >time. If your SMPTEOut module is as inaccurate as mine, once again you should >notice a drift occuring. Are you saying you are running the audio out of the Amiga into the SMPTE input and using SMPTEout to drive Studio16? If this is the case then I don't think you will ever get that to work accurately. Jacob -- jacob@iag.net --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Sat, 24 Jan 1998 09:30:03 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1356 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1380 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: [S16] Reporting For Duty Date: Sat, 24 Jan 98 05:30:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id QAA08102for ; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 16:43:04 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA04070for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 17:39:26 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id RAA04068 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 93046b8723b5dee4095643183f622049 > = Kenny Nilsen's words on 24-Jan-98: >Oukidouki, let's try to get back on track. I have a few requests for some >of the people who has been forward on the list: >- Greenboy: I have contacted Stephan Kost (SoundFX) and a guy called Doug >Shannon. If you like I can channel further contact to you. The contact I am >trying to establish with them is related to support and information >(respectivly). greenboy here, reporting for duty! Send 'em my way. Must warn you: my 516 is currently on loan. But I'm up for anything I can do to further the cause. >Greenboy also mentioned a brainstorming so why don't we have one. If you> Yeah, including talking about the larger digital audio issues that exist. FI, I brought up higher-bit sampling awhile back. Geez, all of a sudden guys are talking 32-bit. That is like using 40-bit to store (true-color) IFFs. You have to have some incredible hardware to get 32-bit to be any more useful than what I consider to be practical: 20-bit or 24-bit. Thank god we aren't discussing 96MHz sampling rates. [Oops!] >Ok, I'll start off with some ideas of my own: >- Filter processing. Lowpass, highpass, bandpass and notch filtering. I have >already made the FPU/asm routines (almost realtime on my 030/25 so it should >be capable of doing realtime on a 040/25 or better), but need a gui and AHI >interface... Parametric is derigueur, yes, no? >please append the list. Just have in mind that modules that interface with >Studio 16 directly will be unlikely to have maded so consider all projects >to be external programs to accompny Studio 16. Ouch. -- *greenboy* // Team NO AMIGA TO WASTE: Help build programs Ami needs! \X/ AMIGA *http://thunderstorms.org/NATW* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Sat, 24 Jan 1998 10:02:12 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1378 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1381 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: [S16] Re: AudioLabs official statement Date: Sat, 24 Jan 98 06:02:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA08485for ; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 17:04:22 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA04209for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 18:01:14 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id SAA04205 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: ac11f7beb0de05cc72404bef2e422039 Hi, Maurizio. I hope to be a future customer of yours. But I do have a few questions. >On this theme, I'd like to clarify (this may interest at least >"that" part of the audience) that an AHI driver for the AD516 >would NOT allow to use ProStation or AudioLab16 with the Sunrize >hardware. >AudioLabs' products require AudioLabs' drivers. They support >every major ZII/ZIII board (including those not supported >by AHI) both in analog and digital modes plus analog motherboard >output. I'm curious why. I'm a real big fan of system-wide support and device- independent support. I think it is healthier for the platform, and for developers. >We don't make drivers, the hardware manifacturers do after we >reach a commercial agreement. As for the development itself, >it's just a matter of an hour of work, on average, with our >supervision. >Unfortunatly the AD516 is the only ZII board without a driver >as there isn't a manifacturer we can discuss with. So, have you with Ben Fuller here at the ml? Or any other former Sunrizers? >(I'm not stating that AudioLabs will never support AHI, simply >there are no plans as of today). I am imagining, just imagining that an AHI driver for the AD516 exists. What would be the advantages and disadvantages of your software using it? As opposed to its own drivers. -- *greenboy* // Team NO AMIGA TO WASTE: Help build programs Ami needs! \X/ AMIGA *http://thunderstorms.org/NATW* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From gmula@nwlink.com Sat, 24 Jan 1998 16:26:24 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1370 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1383 (database) From: Gary Mula To: Serge and Richard Subject: Re: SMPTEout -Reply -Reply Date: Sun, 25 Jan 98 01:26:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id AAA19349for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 00:28:32 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA07135for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 01:23:58 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: a6656f2ee7e7202f59f0443ed0979792 On 23-Jan-98, Serge A Guilbert wrote: >If we use the SMPTEOut as our SMPTE Master (or we use the >reel-to-reel R-8; it's the same thing, relatively speaking, >because the R-8 is striped using the SMPTEOut), then the sequencer >(B&P) will play along at that slightly slower speed. I wonder if it is the same thing...in that, the way S16 -hooks internally- to the time code of S/O (SMPTE Output) may be different than the way S16 -hooks- to time code it hears coming in it's smpte sync input. I am beginning to look at the inter relationships between - - 1. the cuelist transport (internal sync) 2. the SMPTE Generator (internal sync) 3. the SMPTE Output 4. the SMPTE sync input on the back of the AD516 5. the time code -hooks- B&P uses >In our example, this means that the MIDI drum track which we've >programmed in B&P will also play slightly slower than it really >should. OK, now it's time to lay down an analog bass track, an >acoustic guitar, and a lead vocal, all onto the Studio16 Cuelist, >but, using this slowed down MIDI drum track (or click track,or >metronome) as a reference, albeit a faulty one. You can see what's >going to happen. All the analog tracks will be recorded onto the >Cuelist in synch with that reference. >If we try to use the Internal SMPTE Generator, which is an accurate >source, (not sure about that leap) >to play back our freshly recorded Cuelist tracks, we will find that >the tracks will start to drift (maybe after a few minutes). This is >because, this time, the incoming SMPTE code is the correct speed, >and a result, B&P will convert the code at the correct speed (ie >slightly faster than before). This means that the MIDI drum beat >will also be generated slighly faster. No big deal right? Wrong. >Don't forget, Studio16 will NOT play back its analog tracks >slightly faster. It will either play at the sampled speed, or it >won't (let's assume 44.1Khz). It doesn't dynamically convert >on-the-fly. >From my memory of 3 plus years ago when I went round and round with Todd Modjeski about this, it seems to me that there is some calculating the S16 does everytime you start a playback in the cuelist. I think it is standard in the industry (direct-to-disk-recording) to calculate the sample rate x start time x length of the sample(s) to determine where and when something should play. This should make discrete sample events start at there smpte time accurately, but doesn't help long samples adjust there playback if time code is playing back at a different rate than when they were recorded. The SMPTE Lock in the Preferences I thought was an attempt to keep S16 in a constant or almost constant update mode as far as where S16 was in relation to any external sync source. I know that S16 can only playback one sample rate at a time, but I thought there was some recalc done everytime according to the above mentioned equation to account for some varience in time code speed. Of course there is a point where S16 is not going to be able to keep up or back. >How do I know the Internal SMPTE is accurate? Well, using the same >test described above, I've compared it with the output of my >rack-mount Fostex 4010 SMPTE Generator (Rock-steady, remember? > :>) ). Very accurate. Very compatible. No drift . No problems. was this comparison done with the 4010 recorded to tape and played back or generated directly? >I'm guessing here, but it's my impression that the Internal SMPTE >Generator will always be inherently more accurate than the SMPTEOut >Module, because the Internal SMPTE uses the AD516 hardware (and >crystal). The SMPTEOut, on the other hand, is a stand-alone s/w >module which doesn't even require the presence of a hardware card. Are you sure about that? When Sunrize released SMPTEout I thought the issue of accuracy was top of their list and designed with that idea in mind. If it was so obvious that the design as you describe of Internal SMPTE was so much more (logically) accurate, why did they not use AD516 in some way to generate it? I don't think it was so that they could sell it to more people because it was not dependant upon having an AD516. Once again I am not saying you are wrong, it's just not all adding up for me yet. >SMPTE source is not really standard (compared to the rest of the >world), Is there any type of SMPTE analyzer device that could check the integrity/accuracy of SMPTE code? >don't screw around with your SMPTE source. AGREED! >It controls everything. Maybe even the size of your paycheque. >HA! oooooH, a scary but wise thought. I stayed up very late last night 5AM! testing some of these ideas and a few others. My results were mixed at best. When my head is clear....hopefully by tomorrow, I will post my observations. Thanks Serge and Richard. This is an area that really needs to be cleared up. I'm down wit it! Please bare with my scrutiny....just looking for my own silver bullets. G Mula -- ------------------------------------------------------- Gary Mula / CALLEYE Productions / The Dutchman Singer-Songwriter / Producer Seattle, Washington, USA Team *AMIGA* -- ------------------------------------------------------- Gary Mula / CALLEYE Productions / The Dutchman Singer-Songwriter / Producer Seattle, Washington, USA Team *AMIGA* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From masquith@erols.com 24 Jan 98 21:53:53 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1331 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1385 (database) From: Mike Masquith To: studio16 Subject: Re: [S16] Don't tread on me says Bart Simpson Date: Sat, 24 Jan 98 17:53:01 Message-ID: <34CA62F1.MD-0.198.masquith@erols.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id DAA23034for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 03:12:33 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA08081for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 04:09:13 +0100 Organization: Barkin' Beaver Studios Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS 0.198 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 0272f9e4010f1b8533ea5fe04c7a505a Kenny wrote: > Of course, it's pure logic, 32-bit has higher resolution than 16-bit and is > closer to analog 'resolution'. But however, I disagree with /some/ of the > approach due to a few down to earth things: a) only people in billion > dollars or so studios can hear the difference, b) the same people are > probably fanatic about it, c) who is gonna hear the end result and what is > it stored at and played through ? d) what is most important of the end > result: the content or the methode ? All very good points. However I can hear the difference between cruddy 16 bit, and really good 16 bit. I can hear (if I strain really hard) a tiny difference between 16 bit and 20 bit. beyond that is wasted on me. I am somewhat fanatic (?) about it. I want the best I can get without having to get a second mortgage. For me half the fun is getting there so content and method are equal. These are just my opinions, nothing more. > Most of the cases 16-bit is more than good enough. For instance, video has a > bandwidth approximatly 33khz and even CD-quality is overkill. More and more > TV channels broadcast in MPEG - the quality is reduced automatically. Then, > most people who watch this video, what sound system do they use ? That's for > video. For sound: to squeece the quality of 32-bit the listener needs a > pretty good amplifier and even better loudspeakers, a special built > listening room and of course good ears. I agree. For video applications, this is overkill. I like to have a master that's higher quality than the final destination, though. For audio apps, I want to make sure it's as good as I can afford to make it. > > I am sure there are many legitimate reasons to use 32-bit sound (such as > reducing integer errors etc.) and I am not against development, quite the > contrary, but I think we should compare the weights of it all, is 32-bit > worth the trouble when 16-bit still impress people and _most_ people won't > hear the difference ? Of course, back in the days when digital was new I'm > sure people said the same thing about that as I say about 32-bit sound now > :) But I am just trying to look at it from different angles, I am open > myself to review my opinions if the reason can be justified. Right now I > don't feel they are. Right. Somewhere in-between (20 or 24 bits) is really, really good, and attainable now. I don't think audio cards for the Amiga have to jump all the way from 16 bit to 32 bit. -- -Mike Masquith, Barkin' Beaver Studios, VA, USA --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From baff@mindspring.com Sun, 25 Jan 1998 00:31:54 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1385 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1386 (database) From: Brian Fields To: Mike Masquith Subject: Re: [S16] Don't tread on me says Bart Simpson Date: Sat, 24 Jan 98 20:31:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id FAA25149for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 05:39:15 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA08790for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 06:35:58 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 61d70a72b99869849d27739bdd375647 On 24-Jan-98, Mike Masquith wrote: >Kenny wrote: >> Of course, it's pure logic, 32-bit has higher resolution than 16-bit and is >> closer to analog 'resolution'. But however, I disagree with /some/ of the >> approach due to a few down to earth things: a) only people in billion >> dollars or so studios can hear the difference, b) the same people are >> probably fanatic about it, c) who is gonna hear the end result and what is >> it stored at and played through ? Some fanatics may argue the under/over tones that you can't hear may affect the ones you can. One would have to put it on a scope to find out. >d) what is most important of the end >> result: the content or the methode ? >All very good points. However I can hear the difference between cruddy >16 bit, and really good 16 bit. I can hear (if I strain really hard) a >tiny difference between 16 bit and 20 bit. beyond that is wasted on >me. I am somewhat fanatic (?) about it. I want the best I can get >without having to get a second mortgage. For me half the fun is >getting there so content and method are equal. These are just my >opinions, nothing more. >> I am sure there are many legitimate reasons to use 32-bit sound (such as >> reducing integer errors etc.) and I am not against development, quite the >> contrary, but I think we should compare the weights of it all, is 32-bit >> worth the trouble when 16-bit still impress people and _most_ people won't >> hear the difference ? Of course, back in the days when digital was new I'm >> sure people said the same thing about that as I say about 32-bit sound now >> :) But I am just trying to look at it from different angles, I am open >> myself to review my opinions if the reason can be justified. Right now I >> don't feel they are. >Right. Somewhere in-between (20 or 24 bits) is really, really good, >and attainable now. I don't think audio cards for the Amiga have to >jump all the way from 16 bit to 32 bit. I agree with much of the aforementioned. Don't forget also that other things could be encrypted in the headroom whether it be 24 or 32 bit. (MIDI for example is a 31.25 Khz signal). I'm sure some of you guys could think of many other applications even if MIDI sounds like a lame idea. . . . . Just for the sake of an interesting topic, Brian Fields >--- >*** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Sun, 25 Jan 1998 00:32:39 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1386 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1387 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: [S16] Golden Ears or Just Deep Pockets? Date: Sat, 24 Jan 98 20:32:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id IAA27306for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 08:33:10 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA09669for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 09:28:31 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id JAA09667 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 87a41273f8a669f7603a762c1a604f28 Brian Fields's words on 25-Jan-98: >Some fanatics may argue the under/over tones that you can't hear may affect >the ones you can. One would have to put it on a scope to find out. Here I guess that you are talking about something that, in the analog world, power-amp and mixer designers debate: whether extended frequency-response _way_ beyond the accepted range of human hearing is desirable, due to the effect it has on phase linearity in the "audible" range. Though in digital, we are concerned with aliasing, the effects of 24-pole (or more) filtering on phase, and clock-noise interaction. >Don't forget also that other things could be encrypted in the headroom >whether it be 24 or 32 bit. (MIDI for example is a 31.25 Khz signal). >I'm sure some of you guys could think of many other applications even if >MIDI sounds like a lame idea. This scares me a little. 8-| You have to have a pretty incredible scheme, and a hardware design (dsp that has more horsepower) to ensure that one signal doesn't modulate the other. Also, the number of input/output channels and other dsp functions such as real-time mixing, eq and fx would be compromised. But in our incredible world someone could prove me wrong next week. If someone isn't already designing something of that nature around a more /powerful/ engine, I would say that they should consider it; that's a great idea! -- *greenboy* // Team NO AMIGA TO WASTE: Help build programs Ami needs! \X/ AMIGA *http://thunderstorms.org/NATW* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1388 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: All Subject: DSP direct Date: Sun, 25 Jan 98 14:20:00 Message-ID: <423.329T743T8602820@bgnett.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Hi, I'm gonna be busy in the nearest future so if someone would like to take over the stuff I've got on direct-to-DSP code let me know. The source is in asm, but you will get the needed extra files. Status: it loads DSP code fine and spend correct time on the sample (controlled by the DSP interrupts), but no sound.. I'm not gonna work too much on this anyway since there is a little hope for an AHI driver. - Kenny From kenny@bgnett.no 25 Jan 98 14:20:14 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1390 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: All Subject: DSP direct Date: Sun, 25 Jan 98 14:20:00 Message-ID: <423.329T743T8602820@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id NAA02006for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 13:24:42 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA11388for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 14:21:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: fc5f70c2c04986cae16a42d058674001 Hi, I'm gonna be busy in the nearest future so if someone would like to take over the stuff I've got on direct-to-DSP code let me know. The source is in asm, but you will get the needed extra files. Status: it loads DSP code fine and spend correct time on the sample (controlled by the DSP interrupts), but no sound.. I'm not gonna work too much on this anyway since there is a little hope for an AHI driver. - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Sun, 25 Jan 1998 10:28:28 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1390 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1392 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: Re: [S16] DSP direct, AHI Driver Date: Sun, 25 Jan 98 06:28:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA07938for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 18:15:16 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA13133for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 19:11:25 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id TAA13131 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 3197f8a0ff6d7ea299363fe66b899f33 Kenny Nilsen's words on 25-Jan-98: >I'm not gonna work too much on this anyway since there is a little hope for >an AHI driver. I'm not saying change your mind. I'm sure you have 25 hours of stuff to do every day anyway. But -- I still see the possibility of an AHI driver, myself. -- *greenboy* // Team NO AMIGA TO WASTE: Help build programs Ami needs! \X/ AMIGA *http://thunderstorms.org/NATW* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From tc_silvey@juno.com Tue, 25 Jan 2000 14:03:53 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1392 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1393 (database) From: troy silvey To: studio16 Subject: [S16] DSP direct, AHI Driver more possible now? Date: Tue, 25 Jan 0 20:03:01 Message-ID: <20000125.142027.9630.0.tc_silvey@juno.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id TAA09075for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 19:10:48 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA13456for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 20:07:17 +0100 References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-8,10-11,14-19 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 69a79db7bca3d5266ce7c4c22d1b9ca5 >I'm not gonna work too much on this anyway since there is a little >hope for an AHI driver. Never say never. The original instigator is back online! Me. Ben Fuller and I are conversing again about AHI for 516. I don't know if, or what will happen yet. But I'm willing, Ben now seems available and I can always sleep sometime next year :) >I'm not saying change your mind. I'm sure you have 25 hours of stuff >to do every day anyway. But I still see the possibility of an AHI driver, myself. Dream's not dead yet. It ain't over till the paula sings taps. My 516 is still getting a hella'va work out evey day and if AHI comes along, I'll give it more to do. Personally I looking forward to a AD516 mach II some day. troy silvey www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Horizon/4753 --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From baff@mindspring.com Sun, 25 Jan 1998 15:22:01 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1387 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1394 (database) From: Brian Fields To: greenboy Subject: Re: [S16] Golden Ears or Just Deep Pockets? Date: Sun, 25 Jan 98 11:22:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id UAA10928for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 20:29:11 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA14008for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 21:26:11 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: abe70765fa170e22bf3795408e484772 On 25-Jan-98, greenboy wrote: >>Don't forget also that other things could be encrypted in the headroom >>whether it be 24 or 32 bit. (MIDI for example is a 31.25 Khz signal). >>I'm sure some of you guys could think of many other applications even if >>MIDI sounds like a lame idea. >This scares me a little. 8-| You have to have a pretty incredible scheme, >and a hardware design (dsp that has more horsepower) to ensure that one >signal doesn't modulate the other. Also, the number of input/output channels >and other dsp functions such as real-time mixing, eq and fx would be >compromised. >But in our incredible world someone could prove me wrong next week. If >someone isn't already designing something of that nature around a more >/powerful/ engine, I would say that they should consider it; that's a great >idea! Thanks Greenboy, As Dr. McCoy might say, "Damn it Jim I'm a musician not a doctor!" and I've only got 24 hours a day to address a myriad of other things. I have to keep my proirities(I'm sorry to say). I wish I could thrust my attentions to the engineering issues on the Amiga. It would be interesting to see what family of DSP's have inherited the mantle of 24 bit. But as for our discussion here I was just trying to mention the previously non-mentioned for the sake of conjecture as it applies to the ADSP2105. I love my little giant killer Amiga and I'm not ready to buy another platform yet. And I have a sneaking suspicion that some Amiga die hard engineers at Gateway haven't given up on it either (to say the least). Regards, Brian Fields >--- >*** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From doncox@enterprise.net Sun, 25 Jan 1998 20:48:29 -0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1393 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1395 (database) From: Don Cox To: troy silvey Subject: Re: [S16] DSP direct, AHI Driver more possible now? Date: Sun, 25 Jan 98 21:48:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id UAA11659for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 20:57:39 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA14265for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 21:54:39 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 05e910cfcb6ec62eae24471e2713197b On 25-Jan-00, troy silvey wrote: >Personally I looking forward to a AD516 mach II some day. Realistically, it would have to be a PCI bus card, not Zorro3. By the time it happens, there will be Amiga motherboards with the PCI bus, and the main thing is to make sure there is Amiga software for it as well as NT Alpha or whatever. The first version of the BoXeR motherboard has a couple of live ISA slots, but the second version, in about 12 months, will use PCI. Micronik have a Zorro board for their towers with live PCI slots. The InsideOut is an Amiga on a card to fit a PCI slot, probably available in about 6 months time. -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From doncox@enterprise.net Sun, 25 Jan 1998 20:56:14 -0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1393 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1396 (database) From: Don Cox To: Ben Fuller Subject: Re: [S16] DSP direct, AHI Driver more possible now? Date: Sun, 25 Jan 98 21:56:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id UAA11660for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 20:57:39 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA14266for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 21:54:42 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: e4d3db68071f3aacf55125d686150ba0 Ben - Do you have any idea how the S16 SMPTE triggers playing on the PAR card? Presumably there is a message port or something. I am wondering whether it would be possible to trigger the PAR direcly from Bars&Pipes to play at a given time (SMPTE), for setups with a PAR but no S16. It would be a tool or accessory for B&P. You can run an ARexx script from B&P, but a direct trigger would be more solid. On the PAR, you click the SMPTE button and then set a time. When the S16 gets to that time, the PAR starts playing. Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From gmula@nwlink.com Sun, 25 Jan 1998 13:32:54 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1397 (database) From: Gary Mula To: Studio16 List Subject: Big Blocks Date: Sun, 25 Jan 98 22:32:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA12502for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 21:33:54 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA14526for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 22:30:32 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: ae370efb8138ae7bbae7b7f62abc4364 Help!! Does anyone know if you can do a recover files on a partition using the BigBlocks format? I did a session a few days ago, finished the music, sent out the master, deleated the files to make room for new stuff, and now discovered the master has some problems I hadn't heard. Anybodies immediate help will gain you instant favor and gratitude! Gary ------------------------------------------------------------------ Gary Mula / CALLEYE Productions / The Dutchman Singer-Songwriter / Producer Seattle, Washington, USA Team *AMIGA* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From benfuller@macromedia.com Sun, 25 Jan 1998 13:42:53 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1398 (database) From: Ben Fuller To: studio16 Subject: Re: [S16] DSP direct, AHI Driver more possible now? Date: Sun, 25 Jan 98 22:42:01 Message-ID: <005101bd29da$314114c0$d041a8c0@ben200.macromedia.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA12597for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 21:37:00 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA14570for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 22:34:11 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 7cfdcec4d6720859940df49fe08c930c Don recently wrote: >Do you have any idea how the S16 SMPTE triggers playing on the PAR card? >Presumably there is a message port or something. >I am wondering whether it would be possible to trigger the PAR direcly from >Bars&Pipes to play at a given time (SMPTE), for setups with a PAR but no S16. >It would be a tool or accessory for B&P. You can run an ARexx script from B&P, >but a direct trigger would be more solid. >On the PAR, you click the SMPTE button and then set a time. When the S16 gets >to that time, the PAR starts playing. If I remember correectly, the PAR is monitoring SMPTE timecode using the Studio16 SmpteSink API. The PAR connects to Studio16 and watches the timecode, triggering video playback at the appropriate time. To provide the same functionality from B&P would require creating a Studio16 placebo that provides the SMPTE APIs. To make things more complicated, there are two sets of smpte api functions -- pre 3.01 and 3.01. I don't know which one the PAR uses. Doable, but not practical. Ben. --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From benfuller@msn.com Sun, 25 Jan 1998 13:54:06 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1399 (database) From: Ben Fuller To: studio16 Subject: Re: Big Blocks Date: Sun, 25 Jan 98 22:54:00 Message-ID: <006c01bd29db$c3a3a3e0$d041a8c0@ben200.macromedia.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA12848for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 21:48:06 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA14688for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 22:45:08 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: cc84115d380d888da4059a0c1ad75cf8 Gary recently wrote: >Does anyone know if you can do a recover files on a partition >using the BigBlocks format? > DiskSalv 3 or 4 (I can't remember) should be able to recover the files if they have not been overwritten. Ben. --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1392 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1400 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: greenboy Subject: Re: [S16] DSP direct, AHI Driver Date: Sun, 25 Jan 98 23:03:01 Message-ID: <438.329T2870T13835007@bgnett.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) greenboy wrote: >Kenny Nilsen's words on 25-Jan-98: >>I'm not gonna work too much on this anyway since there is a little hope for >I'm not saying change your mind. I'm sure you have 25 hours of stuff to do >every day anyway. But -- >I still see the possibility of an AHI driver, myself. Hm, email is INDEED an evil thing :) little = "I see a small hope" or "it looks like we might get an AHI anyway". I am positive to it! :) - Kenny X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1393 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1401 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: troy silvey Subject: Re: [S16] DSP direct, AHI Driver more possible now? Date: Sun, 25 Jan 98 23:08:00 Message-ID: <760.329T2392T13884793@bgnett.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) troy silvey wrote: >>I'm not gonna work too much on this anyway since there is a little >>hope for an AHI driver. >Never say never. The original instigator is back online! Me. Hi Troy, please see message to greenboy :) >Dream's not dead yet. Agreed. Sorry guys for the misunderstanding. I'll reword it here: As it seem that Ben eventually will make an AHI driver I see no point for me to spend much work on the direct-DSP code right now since I will be quite busy in near future. Therfore, if someone is interrested in look at what I have got so far just take contact and I'll send it. Besides, I will have to learn AD21xx assembler, buy a PC, buy Analoge Devices developer package, create Amiga interfacing etc. I hope that was better ?? :) - Kenny From kenny@bgnett.no 25 Jan 98 23:08:47 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1393 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1403 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: troy silvey Subject: Re: [S16] DSP direct, AHI Driver more possible now? Date: Sun, 25 Jan 98 23:08:00 Message-ID: <760.329T2392T13884793@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id WAA13582for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 22:13:36 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA14898for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 23:10:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: c49a151bf5f466927996abda878ade96 troy silvey wrote: >>I'm not gonna work too much on this anyway since there is a little >>hope for an AHI driver. >Never say never. The original instigator is back online! Me. Hi Troy, please see message to greenboy :) >Dream's not dead yet. Agreed. Sorry guys for the misunderstanding. I'll reword it here: As it seem that Ben eventually will make an AHI driver I see no point for me to spend much work on the direct-DSP code right now since I will be quite busy in near future. Therfore, if someone is interrested in look at what I have got so far just take contact and I'll send it. Besides, I will have to learn AD21xx assembler, buy a PC, buy Analoge Devices developer package, create Amiga interfacing etc. I hope that was better ?? :) - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From kenny@bgnett.no 25 Jan 98 23:03:57 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1392 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1404 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: greenboy Subject: Re: [S16] DSP direct, AHI Driver Date: Sun, 25 Jan 98 23:03:01 Message-ID: <438.329T2870T13835007@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id WAA13587for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 22:13:42 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA14895for studio16-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 23:10:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: ff10169a75a0cb9113f1bdf40c826f3d greenboy wrote: >Kenny Nilsen's words on 25-Jan-98: >>I'm not gonna work too much on this anyway since there is a little hope for >I'm not saying change your mind. I'm sure you have 25 hours of stuff to do >every day anyway. But -- >I still see the possibility of an AHI driver, myself. Hm, email is INDEED an evil thing :) little = "I see a small hope" or "it looks like we might get an AHI anyway". I am positive to it! :) - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From gmula@nwlink.com Sun, 25 Jan 1998 15:17:30 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1399 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1405 (database) From: Gary Mula To: Ben Fuller Subject: Re: Big Blocks Date: Mon, 26 Jan 98 00:17:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id XAA15075for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 23:18:17 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA15383for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 00:15:10 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 240a0c8ce6a3dc3f93b04e05f94a3b56 On 25-Jan-98, Ben Fuller wrote: >Gary recently wrote: >>Does anyone know if you can do a recover files on a partition >>using the BigBlocks format? >> >DiskSalv 3 or 4 Fantastic! Some of the files were written to a Jaz drive with a standard format, Quarter back tools spent around an hour to catalogue all files. I am pretty sure QB doesn't work on my BigBlock partitions, hence my panic. I'll get DiskSalv right away. Somehow I knew you would have some info on this. Thanks Ben....anytime I can return the favor! Gary -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Gary Mula / CALLEYE Productions / The Dutchman Singer-Songwriter / Producer Seattle, Washington, USA Team *AMIGA* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From tc_silvey@juno.com Tue, 25 Jan 2000 18:23:03 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1395 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1406 (database) From: troy silvey To: studio16 Subject: Re: [S16] DSP direct, AHI Driver more possible now? Date: Wed, 26 Jan 0 00:23:00 Message-ID: <20000125.183416.9630.2.tc_silvey@juno.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id XAA15365for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 23:24:17 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA15452for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 00:21:27 +0100 References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-9 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 8973823d4ec26bc6b5334e4b37b19f6c >>Personally I looking forward to a AD516 mach II some day. >Realistically, it would have to be a PCI bus card, not Zorro3. By the Did Ben mention that sunrize had proto type PCI sound card with software in the works when then decided to close shop? It's a long shot, but what if that proto could be resurected for the PCI ami clones we hope to see? troy --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From tc_silvey@juno.com Tue, 25 Jan 2000 18:34:16 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1394 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1407 (database) From: troy silvey To: studio16 Subject: Re: [S16] Golden Ears or Just Deep Pockets? Date: Wed, 26 Jan 0 00:34:00 Message-ID: <20000125.183416.9630.3.tc_silvey@juno.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id XAA15370for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 23:24:19 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA15455for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 00:21:31 +0100 References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-11 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: da6c51a7b9217ed8dbf7832f23626c56 >(MIDI for example is a 31.25 Khz signal) MIDI is actually a serial baud rate and not a khz audio signal. But now that you mention it, It sounds like a good ideal to update this very old standard. No reason midi info couldn't be carried on an sample output just like audio. It would eliminate all these pesty midi cables all over the place. In/out/through/smpte and all other timing/ data codes could run on a single line to each unit. Ok where do I pick up my patent form? troy --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From turk@gulftel.com Sat, 24 Jan 1998 17:48:51 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1406 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1408 (database) From: CMM To: troy silvey Subject: Re: [S16] DSP direct, AHI Driver more possible now? Date: Sun, 25 Jan 98 00:48:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id XAA15960for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 23:51:00 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA15670for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 00:48:04 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: CMM MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 00b8edb95c07a113fb7064096d9f839b On 25-Jan-00, troy silvey wrote: >>>Personally I looking forward to a AD516 mach II some day. >>Realistically, it would have to be a PCI bus card, not Zorro3. By the >Did Ben mention that sunrize had proto type PCI sound card >with software in the works when then decided to close shop? It's a >long shot, but what if that proto could be resurected for the PCI >ami clones we hope to see? Speaking of Ben, perhaps he could tell us just who owns the rights to the AD516, AD1012 and the software. Apparently, no one know. Perhaps he does???? Ben??? >troy >--- >*** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Sun, 25 Jan 1998 17:03:48 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1409 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: [S16] Undelete on BigBlocks partition Date: Sun, 25 Jan 98 13:03:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id AAA16293for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 00:06:10 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA15796for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 01:03:20 +0100 CC: GMu X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id BAA15794 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: e0d734378d6bc4c159917553976eaee9 Haven't been there lately, but I believe Aminet is up & running; definitely some of the partial & mirror sites. Util/disk or something like that or search using "undelete file disk utility" or some of those keywords. In the next hour or less I will have more for you. There is pruning twigs, and then there is sawing down the wrong redwood. ;^/ -- *greenboy* // Team NO AMIGA TO WASTE: Help build programs Ami needs! \X/ AMIGA *http://thunderstorms.org/NATW* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From doncox@enterprise.net Mon, 26 Jan 1998 00:04:16 -0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1406 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1410 (database) From: Don Cox To: troy silvey Subject: Re: [S16] DSP direct, AHI Driver more possible now? Date: Mon, 26 Jan 98 01:04:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id AAA16785for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 00:33:45 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA15991for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 01:30:14 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: f9c230e5e70991293f759b1fae2e8bbd On 25-Jan-00, troy silvey wrote: >Did Ben mention that sunrize had proto type PCI sound card >with software in the works when then decided to close shop? It's a >long shot, but what if that proto could be resurected for the PCI >ami clones we hope to see? Sounds good, but wouldn't there be newer chips around now? And who would have the rights to the design? -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From doncox@enterprise.net Sun, 25 Jan 1998 23:59:08 -0000 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1398 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1411 (database) From: Don Cox To: Ben Fuller Subject: Re: [S16] DSP direct, AHI Driver more possible now? Date: Mon, 26 Jan 98 00:59:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id AAA16790for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 00:33:46 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA15990for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 01:30:12 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 12cf3f6d526b8d55598180dcf2419715 On 25-Jan-98, Ben Fuller wrote: >Don recently wrote: >>Do you have any idea how the S16 SMPTE triggers playing on the PAR card? >>Presumably there is a message port or something. >Doable, but not practical. Thanks. That info will save a lot of wasted time. The next thing is to check out the ARExx method and see if it will do. -- Don Cox doncox@enterprise.net --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From benfuller@msn.com Sun, 25 Jan 1998 16:41:08 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1412 (database) From: Ben Fuller To: studio16 Subject: Re: [S16] DSP direct, AHI Driver more possible now? Date: Mon, 26 Jan 98 01:41:00 Message-ID: <008901bd29f3$17925660$d041a8c0@ben200.macromedia.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id AAA16822for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 00:35:19 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA16042for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 01:32:31 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 6fe83f8fb0786b66bffd2e3a09302e32 CMM recently wrote: >Speaking of Ben, perhaps he could tell us just who owns the rights >to the AD516, AD1012 and the software. Apparently, no one know. Hmmm was it: "If I told you, I'd have to kill you" or "If I told you, They'd have to kill me" Why would you or anyone else knowing that information be a good idea? What useful purpose would be served? Do you think whomever owns those rights would enjoy being harrassed? There isn't even a remote chance that those SunRize products will ever be resurrected, in any form, period. Remember, the Amiga is NOT a viable commercial platform. Ben. "If the Amiga were a star, it would now be a white dwarf." --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Sun, 25 Jan 1998 17:50:01 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1413 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: [S16] UNDELETE and BigBlocks Date: Sun, 25 Jan 98 13:50:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id AAA17125for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 00:51:32 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA16237for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 01:48:42 +0100 CC: GMu X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id BAA16235 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 738de990446e882e241d3701b0cb48f3 Griemes has Ami-Back Tools, I don't know if he kept current on it or not. I believe v1.04 (06/23/930 is the last. Disable any disk-caching (Hypercache?). Use the SCSI Search utility of Ami-Back Tools. If it can return the proper information about your BigBlocks partition, the 9-1-1 module *should* be able to save your files as long as those areas of the disk have not been written to yet. Be cautious and restore to another drive if you are able. If there are several versions of the same file-name it can handle that. If worse comes to worst, the Reviver module can undelete on that Volume. In the meanwhile, browse the web for dealers in your area. Seems like QuikPak had quite a few, though many could be pretty Toaster-related. Need any URLs for mail-order houses? DiskSalv shoul be pretty stocked. The publisher has a site, I believe it is Intangible Assets. I will check around too, and Ami-Back tools is pretty great to use. Think I have run it from floppy as well as hard drive before, so I should be able to walk you through that. QBTools, too damn old. -- *greenboy* // Team NO AMIGA TO WASTE: Help build programs Ami needs! \X/ AMIGA *http://thunderstorms.org/NATW* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Sun, 25 Jan 1998 18:10:23 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1414 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: [S16] BigBlocks UNDELETE Date: Sun, 25 Jan 98 14:10:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id BAA17423for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 01:11:46 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA16399for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 02:08:56 +0100 CC: GMu X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id CAA16397 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: cf1dd2da421e95d9c000fa24241b60f8 I don't know if it works, but even DiskSalv2 supports BigBlocks. I got it off either Aminet or some coverdisk. Never used it. Ami-Back Tools manual indicates that it can; seem to remember doing this once when I ran a bunch of comparative DiskSpeed tests using 512, 1024, 2048, 4096 and 8092 block- size formatted drive. Redwood lumberjacks should wear suspenders _and_ belts >;-[ -- *greenboy* // Team NO AMIGA TO WASTE: Help build programs Ami needs! \X/ AMIGA *http://thunderstorms.org/NATW* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From baff@mindspring.com Sun, 25 Jan 1998 19:58:37 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1407 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1415 (database) From: Brian Fields To: troy silvey Subject: Re: [S16] Golden Ears or Just Deep Pockets? Date: Sun, 25 Jan 98 15:58:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id BAA18046for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 01:52:27 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA16750for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 02:49:22 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 0df240d62eafc0df7e615f8580bdadab On 26-Jan-00, troy silvey wrote: >>(MIDI for example is a 31.25 Khz signal) >MIDI is actually a serial baud rate and not a khz audio signal. >But now that you mention it, It sounds like a good ideal to >update this very old standard. No reason midi info couldn't be carried >on an sample output just like audio. It would eliminate all these >pesty midi cables all over the place. In/out/through/smpte and all >other timing/ data codes could run on a single line to each unit. >Ok where do I pick up my patent form? >troy Yeah, I knew it was a reach but I thought I might get some synapses opened up in that direction. Software midi converter using a CD as a source. Hm-m-m-m-...... Oh well. I don't wnt to get too far off the AD516/S16 topic. BTW; I heard that the GMPlay software in Aminet uses a routine to play 14 bit using two 8 bit sound channels on the Amiga. I haven't looked at it but I'm about to. Similar to my thoughts on this by using two AD516's. Any thoughts guys? This might also be incentive for someone to do some more development that may not be as difficult as thought. Am I thinking too much? Why do idea merchants never get paid? LOL TFN, Brian Fields baff@mindspring.com >--- >*** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From gmula@nwlink.com Sun, 25 Jan 1998 17:53:06 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1413 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1416 (database) From: Gary Mula To: greenboy Subject: Re: [S16] UNDELETE and BigBlocks Date: Mon, 26 Jan 98 02:53:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id BAA18058for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 01:53:32 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA16777for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 02:50:46 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 7dab9bf82434cf37d7ead2e2060c89d4 Thanks Dave, I have an order in right now with Safe Harbor for a 4gig drive. I think I'll add DiskSalv to it. Hopefully they can get it here by Tuesday. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Gary Mula / CALLEYE Productions / The Dutchman Singer-Songwriter / Producer Seattle, Washington, USA Team *AMIGA* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Sun, 25 Jan 1998 19:01:16 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1419 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: [S16] BigBlock Undelete Dealers Date: Sun, 25 Jan 98 15:01:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id CAA18259for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 02:06:26 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA16899for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 03:03:31 +0100 CC: GMu X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id DAA16896 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 368240c7dfd61fed988ae52f6bb5034d Someone should have a copy of Ami-Back Tools or DiskSalv! 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X-Message-No: 1420 (database) From: troy silvey To: studio16 Subject: Buying the technology Date: Wed, 26 Jan 0 03:18:00 Message-ID: <20000125.212006.9630.8.tc_silvey@juno.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id CAA18292for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 02:09:57 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA16942for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 03:07:10 +0100 References: <008901bd29f3$17925660$d041a8c0@ben200.macromedia.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-10,12-13,15,17,19-32 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: c9b73d86f450f65ce032206c98ec2bcb >Why would you or anyone else knowing that information be a good idea? >What useful purpose would be served? Do you think whomever owns >those rights would enjoy being harrassed? There isn't even a remote >chance that those SunRize products will ever be resurrected, in any >form, period. But why would they refuse to sell unwanted ami techno data to an interested party? I don't think we're talking about begging for freebies here, but a ligitimate bussiness interest. To pay $$$ for it would not be harrasment would it? And what about the 516 specs? It's still a great card and it would still sell too. No R&D, just sell the current card design. If AHI happens, then it definitly would sell again. Your right about the useful purpose though. That sunrize PCI design may have been left in such a state that it would be better to start from scratch. But if that's the way it happens, It will be a couple of years before I'll be able to retire B&P and the 516 for the next ami generation. >Remember, the Amiga is NOT a viable commercial platform. Yeah, go ahead piss in our cheerios. Everyone else does. :) I'll simply add a "...YET" to the end of that sentence. > "If the Amiga were a star, it would now be a white dwarf." If microsoft were a star, it would be a black hole. Ask all the data it has quarked over these past years. troy --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From fdiebel@emrl.com Sun, 25 Jan 1998 18:13:01 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1414 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1421 (database) From: Floyd Diebel To: studio16 Subject: Re: [S16] BigBlocks UNDELETE Date: Mon, 26 Jan 98 03:13:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id CAA18382for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 02:16:41 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA17061for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 03:13:51 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Experimental Media Research Laboratory MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: f7c4275f7ff4bc0bbc3477a6dc328ec3 On 25-Jan-98, greenboy wrote: >I don't know if it works, but even DiskSalv2 supports BigBlocks. I got it i have found that neither disksalv nor quaterback tools seems to work. the only utility i've found to work consistently is a prog called recovery. it's saved my butt more than once. i don't know if it's on aminet - i got it off of some cover disk along the way. -- fdiebel@bartok.emrl.com a/v composition and engineering. --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From cdutter@linkline.com 25 Jan 98 18:41:13 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1423 (database) From: C. Davey Utter To: Brian Fields Subject: Re: Studio16 HELP Date: Mon, 26 Jan 98 03:41:00 Message-ID: <479.329T675T11214367@linkline.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id CAA18765for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 02:42:03 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA17241for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 03:39:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 50aa9f877fa4bea71c26934b9ec1c84f Folks, I have just reformatted my HD to increase the block size from 512 to 1024. Ever since the reformat, everytime I put Studio16 into RECORD the program locks up. Anybody got any guidance for me? 25-Jan-98 18:38:58 -- ------------ C. Davey Utter - Limping along with an A2000/68060 ------------ ------------------ Member of Team AMIGA-w/128megs 'o Ram ------------------ ------------ Miami 2.1p, Thor 2.5a, IBrowse 1.12a, Termite 1.30 ------------ -- Mailto:cdutter@linkline.com http://www.linkline.com/personal/cdutter/ -- --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From fdiebel@emrl.com Sun, 25 Jan 1998 18:40:07 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1420 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1424 (database) From: Floyd Diebel To: troy silvey Subject: Re: Buying the technology Date: Mon, 26 Jan 98 03:40:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id CAA18795for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 02:44:27 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA17269for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 03:41:40 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Experimental Media Research Laboratory MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 26440a9dbe41f3162dca1ac73ea5a462 On 25-Jan-00, troy silvey wrote: >> "If the Amiga were a star, it would now be a white dwarf." >If microsoft were a star, it would be a black hole. Ask all the data >it has quarked over these past years. actually, i think the amiga would be more akin to a "red giant" burning out it's last embers. anyways, an AHI driver would prove very useful indeed. i'd pay. -- fdiebel@bartok.emrl.com a/v composition and engineering. --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Sun, 25 Jan 1998 19:29:39 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1416 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1425 (database) From: greenboy To: Gary Mula Subject: Re: [S16] UNDELETE and BigBlocks Date: Sun, 25 Jan 98 15:29:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id DAA19141for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 03:11:39 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA17440for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 04:08:45 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id EAA17435 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 5c102a2732cec1f2461a10bb9adbeb32 >I have an order in right now with Safe Harbor for a 4gig drive. >I think I'll add DiskSalv to it. Hopefully they can get it here >by Tuesday. My new 4.3gig EIDE MAxtor kicks butt, for a non-ultrascsiwide. Costco $229 BEFORE $30 rebate. -- *greenboy* // Team NO AMIGA TO WASTE: Help build programs Ami needs! \X/ AMIGA *http://thunderstorms.org/NATW* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Sun, 25 Jan 1998 20:09:27 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1423 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1426 (database) From: greenboy To: C. Davey Utter Subject: Re: Studio16 HELP Date: Sun, 25 Jan 98 16:09:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id DAA19142for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 03:11:39 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA17441for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 04:08:47 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id EAA17438 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: b28be0717195280d71af8c83e818182f C. Davey Utter's words on 26-Jan-98: >I have just reformatted my HD to increase the block size from 512 to 1024. >Ever since the reformat, everytime I put Studio16 into RECORD the program >locks up. Anybody got any guidance for me? Hi. Tried this myself several years ago after running a series of DiskSpeed tests. Can't remember what I concluded, but went back to letting BigBlocks do it. Better ask the author of BigBlocks . Ben, does it feel like mailbomb yet? -- *greenboy* // Team NO AMIGA TO WASTE: Help build programs Ami needs! \X/ AMIGA *http://thunderstorms.org/NATW* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From turk@gulftel.com Sat, 24 Jan 1998 21:30:13 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1420 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1427 (database) From: CMM To: troy silvey Subject: Re: Buying the technology Date: Sun, 25 Jan 98 04:30:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id DAA19404for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 03:32:20 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA17617for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 04:29:27 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: CMM MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 40abb0750db802ad24ef5b9aa21041e5 On 25-Jan-00, troy silvey wrote: >>Why would you or anyone else knowing that information be a good idea? >>What useful purpose would be served? Do you think whomever owns >>those rights would enjoy being harrassed? There isn't even a remote >>chance that those SunRize products will ever be resurrected, in any >>form, period. What if I or someone else wanted to purchase said products. Obviously, they don't want it nor do they have any need for it. So whats the problem...do they just want to sit on it and act foolish? --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Sun, 25 Jan 1998 21:05:50 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1429 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: [S16] Studio SEVENTEEN vs Thirty-Something and counting Date: Sun, 25 Jan 98 17:05:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id EAA20256for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 04:09:05 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA17836for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 05:06:13 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id FAA17829 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 7497ab90ca32a22174a46dc7c79ccd87 Don Cox's words on 26-Jan-98: >Realistically, it would have to be a PCI bus card, not Zorro3. By the time >it happens, there will be Amiga motherboards with the PCI bus, --snip-- >BoXeR motherboard second version, in about 12 months, will use PCI. Micronik >have a Zorro board for their towers with live PCI slots. The InsideOut is an >Amiga on a card to fit a PCI slot, probably available in about 6 months Yep, that's where it needs to go. Preferably it will have Zorro-like auto-config support, not Windozzze Plug&PRAY ;) {"Thats why -- PCI! "Thats why -- PCI!"} -- ®greenboy Brian Fields earlier: >>>Don't forget also that other things could be encrypted in the headroom greenboy (that's me!) earlier: >>This scares me a little. 8-| You have to have a pretty incredible scheme Brian Fields's words on 25-Jan-98: >As Dr. McCoy might say, "Damn it Jim I'm a musician not a doctor!" and >I've only got 24 hours a day to address a myriad of other things. I have to >keep my proirities (I'm sorry to say). I wish I could thrust my Brian, I just don't sleep, and since I lent out my AD516 card -- I have plenty of time to read technical journals & docs at the same time I'm playing bass in a little band while raising 5 children, and filling in for Buckaroo Banzai when they need a brain-surgeon ;-D >BTW; I heard that the GMPlay software in Aminet uses a routine to play 14 >bit using two 8 bit sound channels on the Amiga. I haven't looked at it but >I'm about to. Similar to my thoughts on this by using two AD516's Not to disparage the AD516 design, it wasn't meant for this, but to actually get higher-bit performance a break-out box for the inputs and outputs would probably be neccessary and way more expensive ADCs and DACs and digital i/o etc. And Thirty-Something-bit is not a realistic audio resolution. 18, 20, 24 are. Just ask anyone who owns a Mac ;] Actually I am serious here though. If you have 2 AD516s the best use is to run them for the extra ins and outs, and if in two computers, wider bandwidth to harddrives and bus, and more flexibility. Ben Fuller 26-Jan-98: >>Why would you or anyone else knowing that information be a good idea? >>What useful purpose would be served? Do you think whomever owns >>those rights would enjoy being harrassed? There isn't even a remote >>chance that those SunRize products will ever be resurrected, in any >>form, period. Altruists everywhere these days . . . But we are an incorrigible bunch, aren't we? ;^/ troy silvey's words on 26-Jan-00: *<---MILLENIUM PROXIMITY EFFECT, TROY? ;)* >But why would they refuse to sell unwanted ami techno data to an interested >party? -snip- legitimate business interest. To pay $$$ for it would not be >harrasment would it? And what about the 516 specs? It's still a great card >and it would still sell too. No R&D, just sell the current card design. >If AHI happens -- --or if Maurizio's company gets a driver happening . . . Really though, I don't see the reason to produce more AD516s unless the whole venture is extremely cost-effective. Then the next one /could/ be bundled as *Studio Seventeen.* Just philosophically, on the platforms that sell big, PCI is a standard. Should be able to support a PCI card from any platform, provided that a driver is designed for it and the Amiga. Then, any software that supports a system-wide driver standard can address any PCI card. This is pretty old news everywhere else. But the Dead Commodore never got it. >> Remember, the Amiga is NOT a viable commercial platform. >Yeah, go ahead piss in our cheerios. Everyone else does. :) >I'll simply add a "...YET" to the end of that sentence. Definitely. But any developer needs some key things to keep his overhead low. Then think of the _Amiga_ like a specialty Bread Shop. We are not competing with the MegaBakery that is putting that foul-tasting white bread in every supermarket in the country. But we /are/ buying some of our ingredients from the same supplier. {"That's why -- PCI! That's why -- PCI!"} >> "If the Amiga were a star, it would now be a white dwarf." >If microsoft were a star, it would be a black hole. Ask all the data >it has quarked over these past years. As long as it gives light and warmth, some of us probably will not permanently migrate. Why does it have to be one or the other? -- *greenboy* // Team NO AMIGA TO WASTE: Help build programs Ami needs! \X/ AMIGA *http://thunderstorms.org/NATW* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From benfuller@msn.com Sun, 25 Jan 1998 20:09:57 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1430 (database) From: Ben Fuller To: studio16 Subject: Re: Buying the technology Date: Mon, 26 Jan 98 05:09:01 Message-ID: <001a01bd2a10$8bb0b920$0300000a@portaben> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id EAA20266for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 04:09:38 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA17845for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 05:06:52 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: d99ed7c79246fd82a67a678984e250d7 >But why would they refuse to sell unwanted ami techno data to an >interested party? What would it cost them to sell the information? Time is money... and lawyers are notorious for billing every second. Besides, anyone with the resources required to buy the information and bring a product to market would surely have the resources to find out who owns the technology. >And what about the 516 specs? >It's still a great card and it would still sell too. No R&D, Have you looked at an AD516 lately? Count the chips... now count the holes. See that little green wire that goes from the zorro connector to that little chip in the socket there... all those things are costly. Not only must the boards be built, but then they have to be tested (burn-in) for awhile. The boards that don't work have to go through troubleshooting, costing even more. >just sell the current card design. If AHI happens, then it definitly >would sell again. How many units? 100, 1000, 10000? At what price? Would you pay $1000 for it? An AWE-64 Gold sells for about $200 nowadays, and that's with four megabytes of RAM and a digital out. What kind of distribution would the product be sold through? Go direct? Now you have to handle tech support and training... I don't think anyone with those types of financial resources is going to be happy with dwindling, fragmented market that "Amiga" has to offer... They're going to be fishing in a larger pond.... >>Remember, the Amiga is NOT a viable commercial platform. > >I'll simply add a "...YET" to the end of that sentence. And I'll add "there are people who mistakenly think it can become one." >If microsoft were a star, it would be a black hole. Ask all the data >it has quarked over these past years. Nah, If Microsoft was a star, it would be a large blue-white in its early 20s. Ben. --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From turk@gulftel.com Sat, 24 Jan 1998 22:42:39 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1430 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1431 (database) From: CMM To: Ben Fuller Subject: Re: Buying the technology Date: Sun, 25 Jan 98 05:42:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id EAA20722for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 04:44:47 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA18181for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 05:41:56 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: CMM MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 6968c51a497faafe27522332413773a5 On 25-Jan-98, Ben Fuller wrote: >>But why would they refuse to sell unwanted ami techno data to an >>interested party? >What would it cost them to sell the information? Time is money... and >lawyers are notorious for billing every second. >Besides, anyone with the resources required to buy the information >and bring a product to market would surely have the resources to find >out who owns the technology. Funny....the good people at AntiGravity tried for over a year to find out who owned the technology and finally gave up! >>And what about the 516 specs? >>It's still a great card and it would still sell too. No R&D, >Have you looked at an AD516 lately? Count the chips... now count >the holes. See that little green wire that goes from the zorro connector >to that little chip in the socket there... all those things are costly. >Not only must the boards be built, but then they have to be tested >(burn-in) for awhile. The boards that don't work have to go through >troubleshooting, costing even more. >>just sell the current card design. If AHI happens, then it definitly >>would sell again. >How many units? 100, 1000, 10000? At what price? Would you >pay $1000 for it? An AWE-64 Gold sells for about $200 nowadays, >and that's with four megabytes of RAM and a digital out. >What kind of distribution would the product be sold through? Go >direct? Now you have to handle tech support and training... >I don't think anyone with those types of financial resources is going >to be happy with dwindling, fragmented market that "Amiga" has to >offer... They're going to be fishing in a larger pond.... >>>Remember, the Amiga is NOT a viable commercial platform. >> >>I'll simply add a "...YET" to the end of that sentence. >And I'll add "there are people who mistakenly think it can become one." >>If microsoft were a star, it would be a black hole. Ask all the data >>it has quarked over these past years. >Nah, If Microsoft was a star, it would be a large blue-white in its early >20s. >Ben. >--- >*** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1434 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: All Subject: CMX converting Date: Mon, 26 Jan 98 06:18:00 Message-ID: <915.330T1487T3783484@bgnett.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) I was thinking of making a CMX <-> Cuelist converter myself using QMaster since I haven't got any respons on my requests (on list and private), but I need some information on what exactly is expected of the converting - CMX to Cuelist: - What timecodes should be converted and why ? Should the recin/out be set up with an empty Entry ? - How should the dissolves be used - should they be converted to fade-ins on the actual entry ? - Reels - should there be made a database for reel numbers so thew script can find the reel number and insert the filename (sample) in the cuelist when it finds it ? Cuelist to CMX: - Should entry start/end simply be converted to rec-in/out ? - Should it do as with cmx-cuelist, looking in a database and exchange filename with a reel name ? To be honest, I have no clue what use this will have so please elaborate on this those who can and I will try to make it. - Kenny From kenny@bgnett.no 26 Jan 98 06:18:29 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1438 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: All Subject: CMX converting Date: Mon, 26 Jan 98 06:18:00 Message-ID: <915.330T1487T3783484@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id FAA21386for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 05:22:39 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA18467for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 06:19:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 80fd470c2c5b7b16cdb62d81ce023d33 I was thinking of making a CMX <-> Cuelist converter myself using QMaster since I haven't got any respons on my requests (on list and private), but I need some information on what exactly is expected of the converting - CMX to Cuelist: - What timecodes should be converted and why ? Should the recin/out be set up with an empty Entry ? - How should the dissolves be used - should they be converted to fade-ins on the actual entry ? - Reels - should there be made a database for reel numbers so thew script can find the reel number and insert the filename (sample) in the cuelist when it finds it ? Cuelist to CMX: - Should entry start/end simply be converted to rec-in/out ? - Should it do as with cmx-cuelist, looking in a database and exchange filename with a reel name ? To be honest, I have no clue what use this will have so please elaborate on this those who can and I will try to make it. - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From benfuller@msn.com Mon, 26 Jan 1998 00:49:59 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1441 (database) From: Ben Fuller To: studio16 Subject: Re: Buying the technology Date: Mon, 26 Jan 98 09:49:01 Message-ID: <000c01bd2a37$633f42a0$0300000a@portaben> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id IAA25784for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:48:29 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA19518for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:45:17 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: c4fb4e0884796df67c6331e03a15348b >>Besides, anyone with the resources required to buy the information >>and bring a product to market would surely have the resources to find >>out who owns the technology. > >Funny....the good people at AntiGravity tried for over a year >to find out who owned the technology and finally gave up! > But *why* did they want to find out who owned the technology? Were they interested in buying the technology? If I remember correctly [it's been a long time] Anti-Gravity was some kind of Value Added Reseller... Seems pretty unusual for a VAR to jump into the hardware business. Maybe this is one of those quests -- where when you finally find the answer to your question, you realize that the question is irrelevant and the answer has no meaning. If I recall correctly, the technology was offered to appropriate major players at the time, but there was no interest in products for a platform that those vendors were quickly abandoning. Another question is: What is the technology worth? I worked on a software only product that was sold for a little more than a million dollars... and that was for a non-exclusive deal! Is a hardware and software product that has a target market of audio / video professionals worth a few million? Are there any Amiga hardware companies out there that can afford that? Ben. --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From turk@gulftel.com Sun, 25 Jan 1998 03:29:57 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1441 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1442 (database) From: CMM To: Ben Fuller Subject: Re: Buying the technology Date: Sun, 25 Jan 98 10:29:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id JAA27392for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:33:21 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA19745for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:29:14 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: CMM MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 6d0e09a8a298f3a39e79d804d47e88ed On 26-Jan-98, Ben Fuller wrote: >>>Besides, anyone with the resources required to buy the information >>>and bring a product to market would surely have the resources to find >>>out who owns the technology. >> >>Funny....the good people at AntiGravity tried for over a year >>to find out who owned the technology and finally gave up! >> >But *why* did they want to find out who owned the technology? They wanted to buy the technology to produce the boards.. why else would they spend a year trying to find out? Perhaps, you think they were on a personal quest to just see if they could find out for the hell of it? >Were they interested in buying the technology? If I remember >correctly [it's been a long time] Anti-Gravity was some kind of >Value Added Reseller... Seems pretty unusual for a VAR to >jump into the hardware business. >Maybe this is one of those quests -- where when you finally >find the answer to your question, you realize that the question >is irrelevant and the answer has no meaning. They never were able to find out! They found nothing but dead ends. Kinda like the double talk you are posting here. >If I recall correctly, the technology was offered to appropriate >major players at the time, but there was no interest in products >for a platform that those vendors were quickly abandoning. >Another question is: What is the technology worth? I worked >on a software only product that was sold for a little more than >a million dollars... and that was for a non-exclusive deal! Is >a hardware and software product that has a target market of >audio / video professionals worth a few million? Are there >any Amiga hardware companies out there that can afford that? Millions of dollars...funny. It would be better to sell the stuff for $5000.00 and be rid of it, rather than to sit on it and do nothing with it, until it is so old it's useless. Especially, hardware for what you consider to be a dead platform. Yep sitting on hardware and software that is dated anyway, now thats a *brilliant idea*. Perhaps in a few more years they might, just might be able to donate it to a museum or somthing. regards, Lee >Ben. >--- >*** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From studio16-in@burner.com Mon, 26 Jan 98 03:18:14 MST X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1443 (database) From: Bob Maple To: studio16 Subject: CMX converting Date: Mon, 26 Jan 98 11:18:00 Message-ID: <9801261018.2kmt@burner.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id KAA29774for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:55:54 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA20181for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:52:49 +0100 Organization: The Back Burner BBS Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 693bce3e3d32da09f1e2ac8951f6769d On Mon 26-Jan-1998 6:18a, kenny@bgnett.no wrote: k> I was thinking of making a CMX <-> Cuelist converter myself using QMaster k> since I haven't got any respons on my requests (on list and private), but k> I need some information on what exactly is expected of the converting - I've been a bit pressed for time but did see your brief query several days ago.. sorry for my lack of response. I too have some questions as to the usefulness of a CMX<->Cuelist converter, and what exactly it should do. k> - What timecodes should be converted and why ? Should the recin/out be set k> up with an empty Entry ? I would guess that in the case of CMX -> Cuelist, the important information is record in/out which would be setup with "dummy" entries on the timeline at the appropriate places, so that the real sample data could be plopped in. Or, as you suggest, some type of reel->sample table which associate groups of samples with a given reel number, so that the CMX -> Cuelist tool could create a complete Cuelist with samples at the correct source timecodes and at the correct Cuelist timecodes. My main question is how people would use this tool. Would you digitize all of the material off your source tapes ahead of time, and then try to conform your samples against the EDL? k> - How should the dissolves be used - should they be converted to fade-ins k> on the actual entry ? The obvious way is to just have it put crossfades between clips where applicable. However, a perhaps more flexible method is to 'checkerboard' the audio so that one event appears on one track, the next event appears on the track under it, the next event back on the original track, etc., still with the appropriate fade ins/outs on the sample. It makes it easier to "pull tails" onto a sample if it's not crowded by other sampls on either side. IE: Track 1 -> XXXXXXXXXxxx.. ..xxxXXXXXXXXxx. XXXX Track 2 -> ..xxxXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXxxx.. XXXXX XXXX Then if I want to make the crossfade of the first clip on Track 2 longer, I just pull the head of it further underneath track 1, and walla. If they were already cross-faded together on the same track, you'd have to go through a few extra hoops to extend the dissolve. k> - Reels - should there be made a database for reel numbers so thew script k> can find the reel number and insert the filename (sample) in the cuelist k> when it finds it ? That was always my ultimate question. How to associate samples with reel numbers and timecodes! On a somewhat related note, it would be interesting if the tool could batch-digitize the audio files from an EDL and assemble the cuelist. I have machine control documentation and would find it fun to write such a beast, but don't know how quickly I could get it accomplished (and the standard Sony protocol is based on RS-422, not RS-232, so you have to build an RS422 to 232 converter box to even do it.) As for Cuelist -> CMX, I do not see what practical use such a tool would have but I'm sure someome out there has some reasons. : Bob Maple : : : bmaple@burner.com : Xerox never comes up with anything original : : www.dimensional.com/~bobm : : --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1443 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1444 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Bob Maple Subject: Re: CMX converting Date: Mon, 26 Jan 98 13:45:01 Message-ID: <639.330T2517T8254434@bgnett.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Bob Maple wrote: Hi Bob, >k> - What timecodes should be converted and why ? Should the recin/out be set >k> up with an empty Entry ? >I would guess that in the case of CMX -> Cuelist, the important information >is record in/out which would be setup with "dummy" entries on the timeline at >the appropriate places, so that the real sample data could be plopped in. Ok. I have already made a frame script for this. I send you some stuff in email. :-) I would appreciate it if you would have the time to look into it. The script that I have included can convert a CMX to a simple Cuelist file. I take the rest in private email. - Kenny From kenny@bgnett.no 26 Jan 98 13:45:50 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1443 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1446 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Bob Maple Subject: Re: CMX converting Date: Mon, 26 Jan 98 13:45:01 Message-ID: <639.330T2517T8254434@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id NAA04282for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:17:38 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA20830for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:14:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 265ccc69e931a05e654c0c1a28b84df6 Bob Maple wrote: Hi Bob, >k> - What timecodes should be converted and why ? Should the recin/out be set >k> up with an empty Entry ? >I would guess that in the case of CMX -> Cuelist, the important information >is record in/out which would be setup with "dummy" entries on the timeline at >the appropriate places, so that the real sample data could be plopped in. Ok. I have already made a frame script for this. I send you some stuff in email. :-) I would appreciate it if you would have the time to look into it. The script that I have included can convert a CMX to a simple Cuelist file. I take the rest in private email. - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From Dave_Hardy@panam.wimsey.com Sun, 25 Jan 98 15:18:38 PST X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1447 (database) From: Dave Hardy To: studio16 Subject: Doug Shannon? Date: Mon, 26 Jan 98 00:18:00 Message-ID: <9801252318.AA03221@panam.wimsey.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id OAA06957for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:15:57 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA21155for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 15:13:10 +0100 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: f20bff9b064ddb35d41066b9a1fc17c1 - Greenboy: I have contacted Stephan Kost (SoundFX) and a guy called Doug Shannon. If you like I can channel further contact to you. The contact I am trying to establish with them is related to support and information Hi Kenney, This wouldn't by any chance be the same Doug Shannon who was customer service rep for Sunrize Industries by any chance would it? Dave Hardy Dave Hardy Productions Vancouver B.C. Canada dave_hardy@panam.wimsey.com -- Via DLG Pro v1.16 --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From Dave_Hardy@panam.wimsey.com Sun, 25 Jan 98 16:22:15 PST X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1448 (database) From: Dave Hardy To: studio16 Subject: Prostation? Date: Mon, 26 Jan 98 01:22:00 Message-ID: <9801260022.AA03233@panam.wimsey.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id OAA06961for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:15:59 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA21158for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 15:13:12 +0100 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 5492070685aeb389bf434d813f96ae3e On this theme, I'd like to clarify (this may interest at least "that" part of the audience) that an AHI driver for the AD516 would NOT allow to use ProStation or AudioLab16 with the Sunrize hardware. Hi Maurizio, That was my biggest fear, that people were interested in the development of a AHI driver was being urged, when programing along other lines that would ultimately result in tools that would ultimately extend the usefulness of Studio 16 are being oveerlooke . The driver that you require is what I would most like to see developed. Could you explain how with this driver AudioLab's funtionality would improve its funtionality with Studio 16? I especially like the comb filter & the hum 7 noise filters you have included in the program. I don't like the fact that there is no Arexx port and that many of the windows cannot be resized or removed from the screen when not needed. I am extremely resistant to buying an Amiga program without an Areex port. I have tried the demo AudioLabJr and like the work that you have done. When is the projected completion date of version 3. I've never heard of your program Prostudio, any info available? Dave Hardy Dave Hardy Productions Vancouver B.C. Canada dave_hardy@panam.wimsey.com -- Via DLG Pro v1.16 --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From Dave_Hardy@panam.wimsey.com Sun, 25 Jan 98 18:55:36 PST X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1449 (database) From: Dave Hardy To: studio16 Subject: SMPTEOut Date: Mon, 26 Jan 98 03:55:00 Message-ID: <9801260255.AA03237@panam.wimsey.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id OAA06964for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:16:00 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA21149for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 15:13:02 +0100 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 1370c4fa66579c4a9745094c164173ee !Just finished teaching another 16mm filmmaking workshop at my studio, using Studio 16 to do the sound editing & mixing of course. It's always fascinating to see how students who are normally Mac & PC users love working on Studio 16 on the Amiga. This group didn't manage to finish their fine cut on my 16mm editing machine. When I told them they could finish their fine cut on my non linear editing system (VLabMotion with MovieShop software) they were eager to see how this would work. Naturally I bring Movieshop's timeline up on Studio16's public screen, so that the 2 programs operate seamless fashion as though they were a single program. Once the picture & audio track were fine cut on MovieShop's timeline. Movieshop's timeline provides an excellent interface for editing all your picture & sound in sync and is great for compositing a great many video layers. However Movieshop has no provision for the editing process known as dialogue dialogue cutting. Studio16's timeline is a wonderful tool to do dialogue cutting. In this workshop, I was only able to scratch the surface of what could be done with dialogue editing with Studio16, but they got feeling for powerful Studio16 is for cleaning up the dialogue & lots of hands on experience using Studio16. After they split their dialogue tracks & made the improvements that time would allow, I showed them how to do a spotting session with Studio16. They then preceded to build their sound effect & tracks. We ended up having built 9 tracks on this basic training, which of course is nothing on a system that allows you to build 99 synchronous tracks. When they learned that Studio16 & MovieShop were running on a 25MHZ 68030 in my A3000 they were astounded as experienced no problems and were eager to know if I would rent them time on the Amiga to edit & sound mix their films. The SMPTE time code I used was generated by SMPTEOut 29.97 so I have to careful not to be using this with audio houses that are using 30 frame time code such as Pinewood Sound in Vancouver or there will be a drifting sync. There is 30 frame 29.97 and 30 drop frame. If compatible equipment is patched together there should be no problem. The timecode synchronizer built in to the Sunrize cards is sufficiently powerful that it will lock to either 29.97 or 30 fr. time code if the Studio16 is used as the Slave in the Master/Slave relationship. Other hardware and software may not as capable. Timecode coming from another source than SMPTEOut would probably benefit by being put through a device such as the Fostex 4010 which has jam sync & will provide a stable source when there are dropouts in the timecode. I've used SMPTEOut with the AD1012 & AD516 my Fostex Model 80 & Model 20 my Foxtex 4030 sychronizers Movieshop software on VLabMotion Tocatta system and a variety of video decks. Perfect lock on all these sources. SMPTEOut saved me from buying a Fostex 4010. Best of luck tracking tracking down the problem, but I suspect problem lies elsewhere than SMPTEOut. I would suspect Bars&Pipes is using true 30 frame timecode and not the video 30 frame (29.97) rate. Then you most definitely would experience a drift. Dave Hardy Dave Hardy Productions Vancouver B.C. Canada dave_hardy@panam.wimsey.`com -- Via DLG Pro v1.16 --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From Dave_Hardy@panam.wimsey.com Sun, 25 Jan 98 14:55:00 PST X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1450 (database) From: Dave Hardy To: studio16 Subject: THANKS BEN & JAMIE Date: Sun, 25 Jan 98 23:55:00 Message-ID: <9801252255.AA03217@panam.wimsey.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id OAA06956for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:15:57 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA21144for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 15:12:50 +0100 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 0ba6c97256c730757cd1c72b6e9f4f41 I was in engineering, not accounting... what makes you think I have sales numbers? Ben. Hi Ben, I would like to thank you for the wonderfull software that you, Todd & Anthony developed for us. The AD516 hardware & it's excellent Studio 16 software have made the Amiga computer the best hardware purchase that I have ever made. I have always considered it to be THE KILLER APP on the Amiga. I paid full list price for the AD1012 & recieved a very generous traid in on the AD516 from Sunrize. I found the customer service excellent. Possibly due to the excellent quality of the produc , I never had any difficulty getting through on the phone for help. Both Tony Shannon & Dean Tucker were extremely pleasent pleasent & helpfull on the few occasions when I had problems with the AD1012 board (a faulty gain control chip, always replaced & shipped quickly and free of charge. I was dissapointed when Tony closed the company and vanished, as I would have liked to have expressed my gratitude for this wonderfull system he made it possible for us to have. He certainly had every right to close the business if it was no longer profitable for him or his interest lay elsewhere. Many of us would have liked to wish bim the best of luck with his future endevours. All of us would have liked to see him reap future rewards by selling the rights to another developer. I'm sure everyone would be glad to see Anthony return to produce another killer app for the Amiga should he feel so inclined, if Gateway make the Amiga healthy market for developers. Enen a negative statement from Anthony would be welcome. If Jamie is still on the list. Thanks ever so much for the excellent manual that you and Susan Bruner put together for us. Wonderfull hardware & software is even more usefull when supplemented by a lavish manual with exhaustive attention to detail. Although Studio 16 is very intuitive & one could very easily never refer to the manual, I have spent a great many pleasurable hours reading the manual, gleaning every last ounce of wisdom from the information enclosed. It is wonderful to have a manual which is actually fun to read. My manual has been read & reread so many times that the binding completely fell apart. I had a metal spiral binding put on by Kinkos which has extended its usefullness for years to come. Every os often in my spare time I brouse through the manual to see if there isn't something that I've overlooked or forgotten. If only all Amiga companies would but such effort into producing such a readable manual we would all be saved a lot of greif. We l done Jamie. Dave Hardy Dave Hardy Productions Vancouver B.C. Canada dave_hardy@panam.wimsey.com -- Via DLG Pro v1.16 --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From Dave_Hardy@panam.wimsey.com Sun, 25 Jan 98 15:35:31 PST X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1451 (database) From: Dave Hardy To: studio16 Subject: Regions Tool Date: Mon, 26 Jan 98 00:35:00 Message-ID: <9801252335.AA03225@panam.wimsey.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id OAA06967for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:16:00 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA21152for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 15:13:07 +0100 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 3e3b8789ff0e71a1bace3dd6d6687429 Hi Kenny, Any chance you could email me your timeline regions tool, sounds like a very useful extention to the editing system to me. Dave Hardy Dave Hardy Productions Vancouver B.C. Canada dave_hardy@panam.wimsey.com -- Via DLG Pro v1.16 --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From tc_silvey@juno.com Tue, 25 Jan 2000 09:26:10 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1441 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1452 (database) From: troy silvey To: studio16 Subject: Re: Buying the technology Date: Tue, 25 Jan 0 15:26:00 Message-ID: <20000125.093707.10030.1.tc_silvey@juno.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id OAA07518for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:33:14 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA21316for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 15:30:08 +0100 References: <000c01bd2a37$633f42a0$0300000a@portaben> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-28 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 37332dfaafe94dad62c981df8b19a1fd >>Funny....the good people at AntiGravity tried for over a year >>to find out who owned the technology and finally gave up! >> >>But *why* did they want to find out who owned the technology? >>Were they interested in buying the technology? If I remember >>correctly [it's been a long time] Anti-Gravity was some kind of Even if they were only a VAR they could own and license the product to a hardware house or have someone built it for them. Of course there are two stories for every side :), but I spoke with AntiG myself and found that they were a bit bitter by there attempt to get to Sunrize. There side says they were snubed by sunrize and never given the chance to buy them out. >If I recall correctly, the technology was offered to appropriate >major players at the time, but there was no interest in products Then what about AntiG? Was there some bad blood there? They wanted it, but sunrize would rather kill it than give it to them? It could happen that way. >Another question is: What is the technology worth? I worked kind of like that tootsie pop thing....we may never know. But if it is owned by some one or a company, may be they would be interested in an easier and more cost effective license agreement of their own. troy _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1447 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1453 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Dave Hardy Subject: Re: Doug Shannon? Date: Mon, 26 Jan 98 15:35:01 Message-ID: <174.330T2605T9354710@bgnett.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Dave Hardy wrote: >This wouldn't by any chance be the same Doug Shannon who was customer >service rep for Sunrize Industries by any chance would it? I hope so ;) - Kenny From kenny@bgnett.no 26 Jan 98 15:35:52 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1447 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1455 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Dave Hardy Subject: Re: Doug Shannon? Date: Mon, 26 Jan 98 15:35:01 Message-ID: <174.330T2605T9354710@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id OAA08410for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:57:14 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA21584for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 15:54:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: ef9ae144989e7380c9eee1177f6dbaee Status: O Dave Hardy wrote: >This wouldn't by any chance be the same Doug Shannon who was customer >service rep for Sunrize Industries by any chance would it? I hope so ;) - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From gclink@dryden.net Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:43:24 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1456 (database) From: Gord Clink To: 'studio16@thule.no' Subject: Re: Buying the technology Date: Mon, 26 Jan 98 15:43:00 Message-ID: <01BD2A36.7B0B9880@gclink.avenor.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id OAA08419for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:57:31 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA21600for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 15:54:45 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: bastionhost.avenor.com: Host [10.100.240.153] claimed to be gclink.avenor.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id PAA21597 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 82c1405dc9f217bf0cc5cca7557117b1 Status: O I don't know why a company would want to sit on technology for a "dead" computer platform either..... But I guess who ever owns the technology, has the right to if they want!!! I don't think we should be getting angry with Ben.... And really people..... Ben was an engineer, I don't think he's the one that owns the technology! If he did, I'm sure he would just give the technology away to one of us, since he feels the Amiga isn't viable anyway..... Gord Clink --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From gmula@nwlink.com Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:50:32 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1450 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1457 (database) From: Gary Mula To: Dave Hardy Subject: Re: THANKS BEN & JAMIE Date: Mon, 26 Jan 98 18:50:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA13348for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:51:30 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA22622for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 18:48:19 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 6d1ed609e9abc60482200d36ebe32987 On 25-Jan-98, Dave Hardy wrote: >Ben. >Hi Ben, >I would like to thank you for the wonderfull software that you, Todd & >Anthony developed for us. The AD516 hardware & it's excellent Studio 16 >software have made the Amiga computer the best hardware purchase that I >have ever made. >If Jamie is still on the list. Thanks ever so much for the excellent manual >that you and Susan Bruner put together for us. Wonderfull hardware & >software is even more usefull when supplemented by a lavish manual with >exhaustive attention to detail. Here, here.....ditto to everything Dave said in his post. Guess I would have liked a formal goodbye from the chief. Obviously there are things that we will never know. I am serious though when I say that, I hope everyone who worked at Sunrize really understands the level of dedication and appreciation that exists in the Studio16 user base, for Sunrize and the products they created. Gary Mula /member of the 103rd division of the S16 Militia.../ / or the Rag Tag S16 Drum and Bugle Core..../ -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Gary Mula / CALLEYE Productions / The Dutchman Singer-Songwriter / Producer Seattle, Washington, USA Team *AMIGA* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From gmula@nwlink.com Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:59:20 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1447 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1458 (database) From: Gary Mula To: Dave Hardy Subject: Re: Doug Shannon? Date: Mon, 26 Jan 98 18:59:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA13561for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 18:00:50 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA22677for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 18:57:49 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.3a [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 2a31a4b1811dba5380cfe1db10b5a923 >a guy called Doug Shannon. >This wouldn't by any chance be the same Doug Shannon who was >customer service rep for Sunrize Industries by any chance would >it? Kenny you asked whether or not the Doug I mentioned was Doug Shannon. That does sound right. As I mentioned in my earlier post, he handled the beta test group. I still have many of my reports addressed to him that contained bugs as well as ideas for ways to enhance S16. Doug was very receptive to new ideas. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Gary Mula / CALLEYE Productions / The Dutchman Singer-Songwriter / Producer Seattle, Washington, USA Team *AMIGA* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From tc_silvey@juno.com Tue, 25 Jan 2000 09:15:49 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1430 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1459 (database) From: troy silvey To: studio16 Subject: Re: Buying the technology Date: Tue, 25 Jan 0 15:15:00 Message-ID: <20000125.093707.10030.0.tc_silvey@juno.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA15284for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 18:57:04 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA23303for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:54:03 +0100 References: <001a01bd2a10$8bb0b920$0300000a@portaben> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-8,10-14,16-24,26-33,36-44,46-54,56-58,60-69 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: a1d6a867b33bd4b7e543e1cfe0704b7c >find out who owns the technology. I guess I'm just very suprised that they are apparantly so negitive on the subject that it would take such an effort to initiate a contact to discuss any possibilty. I know your not permitted to say or simply want to stay out of the mess, but I would like to ask one clue.... is there still a company that holds the goods or an individual who holds the patents. I'll understand if don't want to answer. >costly. Not only must the boards be built, but then they have to be tested >(burn-in) for awhile. The boards that don't work have to go through >troubleshooting, costing even more. This part is irrelevant. It is neccesarry for any peice of hardware made on earth. Sure it cost to build, test and repair. But still the R&D is already done and collecting dust. I can tell you honestly that given simply the scematics and firmware code to burn, that I could likely manage the rest. >How many units? 100, 1000, 10000? At what price? Would you >pay $1000 for it? An AWE-64 Gold sells for about $200 nowadays, >and that's with four megabytes of RAM and a digital out. AWE-64 does not compare. I have tested one myself and ask an received opinions from other professionals who say it sound quality is not up to it. I personally went with a turtle beach card that does the job very well. But even TB cards are running in the 400+ range. Also the cost of your components have droped dramaticly since 1993. DSP's and ram chips can be had for fracations of what they cost 4 years ago. With out specs and a chance to study the facts, a true estimate will never be had. And at fisrt guess, I'd say you be at 200-400 peices in the first year if the price could be kept in the neighborhood of a PRO, not AWE pc card. The rest would depend on the unknown ami clones, new business and the old faves like newtek that are back. A toaster or flier profession can always use a pro sound card. >What kind of distribution would the product be sold through? Go >direct? Now you have to handle tech support and training... Magazine and Local stores are doing pretty well for now. I personally receive mail asking where to get 516's. And the tech part I've done for the past 14 years. Including hiring, teaching and training. If I had all the info in front of me to study, I may well agree with you. But please don't underestimate our abiliites to get a doable project done. >I don't think anyone with those types of financial resources is going >to be happy with dwindling, fragmented market that "Amiga" has to That is not true. Ami was dead, and still fragmented, but recent events have amiga growing, not dwindling. The future is unknown. Not a definite grave for amiga. How well will it's market be? Much better as long as determined interested people continue to put time money and effort in to it. You can see it happening at the shows, internet and ami mags. Markets in other contries are already growing again too. You may not have time to keep up on all the ami news out side of this group, but it might suprise you. It has me. Even I was ready to walk away. But with gateway powering Ami Inc now, the game has changed. >Nah, If Microsoft was a star, it would be a large blue-white in its >early 20s. Well I guess that's that. If your convinced MS deserves to run every pc on the planet, then there is no reason to go on. But the fact you're here says that's not true. Then why offer help to ami, but at the same time try to warn us off to MS? Interesting mix. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From tc_silvey@juno.com Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:32:53 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1456 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1460 (database) From: troy silvey To: studio16 Subject: Re: Buying the technology Date: Mon, 26 Jan 98 17:32:01 Message-ID: <19980126.135756.3438.0.tc_silvey@juno.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id TAA15354for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:00:27 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA23325for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:57:43 +0100 References: <01BD2A36.7B0B9880@gclink.avenor.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-7 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: c153913200d92e1150db0a015a75c497 >be getting angry with Ben.... And really people..... Ben was an >engineer, I don't think he's the one that owns the technology! If he I don't think any one has gotten angry with Ben. Not that I've seen yet any way. We're just asking a lot of questions he prefers not to answer and he may get tired and angry at us. troy _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From tc_silvey@juno.com Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:38:26 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1450 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1461 (database) From: troy silvey To: studio16 Subject: Re: THANKS BEN & JAMIE Date: Mon, 26 Jan 98 17:38:00 Message-ID: <19980126.135756.3438.1.tc_silvey@juno.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id TAA15363for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:00:36 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA23332for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:57:52 +0100 References: <9801252255.AA03217@panam.wimsey.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-13 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: e44ba42a43e6cace14fe61e242693dc5 >If Jamie is still on the list. Thanks ever so much for the excellent >manual that you and Susan Bruner put together for us. Wonderfull hardware & >software is even more usefull when supplemented by a lavish manual >with exhaustive attention to detail. Agreed, after reading hundreds of tech manuals over ther years, this one was one of the best books to accompany any such powerful harware/software combo. It made diving in and making projects a one afternoon glide. One more reason Studio16 was an all around master peice. troy _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:41:33 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1448 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1462 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: Re: [S16] ARexx wanted, apply within Date: Mon, 26 Jan 98 08:41:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id TAA16724for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:46:02 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA23722for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:43:09 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id UAA23720 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: fde158a769078e26084c21bb61a0aa18 Hi, Dave and Maurizio! Dave Hardy's words on 26-Jan-98 in reply to Maurizio: >>On this theme, I'd like to clarify (this may interest at least "that" part >>of the audience) that an AHI driver for the AD516 would NOT allow to use >>ProStation or AudioLab16 with the Sunrize hardware. >That was my biggest fear, that people were interested in the development of >a AHI driver was being urged, when programing along other lines that would >ultimately result in tools that would ultimately extend the usefulness of >Studio 16 are being oveerlooked. I see where a company might favor a proprietary driver, ie for performance reasons. But it would be better for the Amiga if any problems (if they exist) in the AHI driver spec, were solved, than to have two competing standards. A company can only benefit in the short term with exclusivity. In the Mac world several years ago, two different companies introduced midi extensions. One was very open to sharing, more in a public-domain spirit, with other developers. The other had a decided proprietary slant. Much time and dust later, nothing but grief was caused, and few people were still capable of debate on which was better. Some of this was, of course, political. >I especially like the comb filter & the hum 7 noise filters you have >included in the program. Yeah, the most envied plug-ins from other platforms for me have always been noise reducing. (These were also the earliest introduced.) >and that many of the windows cannot be resized or removed from the screen >when not needed. Ouch. Got to use the standard OS stuff everywhere, whenever possible! And /that/ allows all the correctly-coded patches clever people are always coming up with to work with the software. Right now it is stuff on Aminet that keeps the OS from being Pleistonic, in terms of appearance and features. Whenever a developer goes proprietary, that is the stuff that "breaks" when using things like Cybergraphics, VisualPrefs, multi-commodities, etc. In beta-testing for different houses, I have noticed that some houses have a real "keep-em-down-on-the-farm" approach, in the mistaken belief that it will make things easier for Tech Support later on. But taking programming shortcuts usually leads to dissatisfied customers and a harried tech-support staff. People try to use this "non-official" stuff anyway. Some of it is great work, after all! Occasionally we all probably have heard, "We need to take the System's over; it is the ONLY way it can be done." Then later someone does it the right way. Early Amiga MIDI programming had many examples of this, especially from developers on non-multitasking systems. For a long time they didn't understand, or didn't want to, so they made accusations that the Amiga was flawed (and they weren't just talking about serial port issues)! >I am extremely resistant to buying an Amiga program without an Areex port. >I have tried the demo AudioLabJr and like the work that you have done. When >is the projected completion date of version 3. I hope ProStation will not be crippled. Integral full-functioning Arexx from the very first release is a neccessity. This also makes dollars-and-sense: the more useful ARexx scripts show up, the more "supported" the product looks, and the more free publicity it gets. Of cource sincerely, -- *greenboy* // Team NO AMIGA TO WASTE: Help build programs Ami needs! \X/ AMIGA *http://thunderstorms.org/NATW* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From gclink@dryden.net Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:24:25 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1463 (database) From: Gord Clink To: 'studio16@thule.no' Subject: RE: Buying the technology Date: Mon, 26 Jan 98 21:24:00 Message-ID: <01BD2A66.1B40BC20@gclink.avenor.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id UAA17930for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:25:29 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA23937for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:22:23 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: bastionhost.avenor.com: Host [10.100.240.153] claimed to be gclink.avenor.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id VAA23935 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 87b504ddc5976c530cb90d00ff0a81c2 I was referring to Lee's remarks!! It just sounded a little angry to me! Being angry never gets results. Esp. when dealing with someone who could help us, like Ben!! Gord Clink Dryden, Ontario, Canada Lee's Reply to Ben!! They wanted to buy the technology to produce the boards.. why else would they spend a year trying to find out? Perhaps, you think they were on a personal quest to just see if they could find out for the hell of it? They never were able to find out! They found nothing but dead ends. Kinda like the double talk you are posting here. Millions of dollars...funny. It would be better to sell the stuff for $5000.00 and be rid of it, rather than to sit on it and do nothing with it, until it is so old it's useless. Especially, hardware for what you consider to be a dead platform. Yep sitting on hardware and software that is dated anyway, now thats a *brilliant idea*. Perhaps in a few more years they might, just might be able to donate it to a museum or somthing. regards, Lee --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From gclink@dryden.net Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:27:12 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1464 (database) From: Gord Clink To: 'studio16@thule.no' Subject: GUI Date: Mon, 26 Jan 98 21:27:00 Message-ID: <01BD2A66.7E9D22E0@gclink.avenor.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id UAA18003for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:29:44 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA23973for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:27:01 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: bastionhost.avenor.com: Host [10.100.240.153] claimed to be gclink.avenor.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id VAA23969 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 0878c64df1dca37169157378dc18d3dc Kenny, is there is plans for tools with GUI's. Not that I'm complaining, but so far, all the tools seem to be CLI based utilities, which make them not very user friendly. Gord Clink gclink@dryden.net Dryden, Ontario, Canada --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:36:58 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1465 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: [S16] "The Allegations Are Entirely Unfounded" Date: Mon, 26 Jan 98 09:36:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id UAA18423for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:41:48 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA24063for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:38:59 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id VAA24060 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: b20e675b451f9137f8e6e2c70c1f904e Hi Troy! troy silvey's words on 25&26-Jan-#00#: >>If Jamie is still on the list. Thanks ever so much for the excellent >>manual that you and Susan Bruner put together for us. Wonderfull hardware >>& software is even more usefull when supplemented by a lavish manual with >>exhaustive attention to detail. >Agreed, after reading hundreds of tech manuals over ther years, this one >was one of the best books to accompany any such powerful harware/software >combo. It made diving in and making projects a one afternoon glide. One >more reason Studio16 was an all around master peice. Hate to get all gushy. But pretty much all the stuff on Studio16, at the time of its release, made it "one of the Good Ones". A great interface for AV work! Thanks to all former Sunrizers on the list, who I am hoping we can augment with some of the rest of the team. >>How many units? 100, 1000, 10000? At what price? Would you >>pay $1000 for it? An AWE-64 Gold sells for about $200 nowadays, >>and that's with four megabytes of RAM and a digital out. >AWE-64 does not compare. I have tested one myself and ask an received >opinions from other professionals who say it sound quality is not up to it. >I personally went with a turtle beach card that does the job very well. >But even TB cards are running in the 400+ range. Also the cost of your >components have droped dramaticly since 1993. DSP's and ram chips >can be had for fracations of what they cost 4 years ago. --snip-- >A toaster or flier profession can always use a pro sound card. The implications of independent drivers also of course include system-wide audio support. 8-bit -- Tired, high-bit -- Wired. >>I don't think anyone with those types of financial resources is going >>to be happy with dwindling, fragmented market that "Amiga" has to >That is not true. Ami was dead, and still fragmented, but recent events >have amiga growing, not dwindling. The future is unknown. Not a definite >grave for amiga. How well will it's market be? Much better as long as >determined interested people continue to put time money and effort in to >it. You can see it happening at the shows, internet and ami mags. Markets >in other contries are already growing again too. You may not have time to >keep up on all the ami news out side of this group, but it might suprise >you. It has me. Even I was ready to walk away. But with gateway powering >Ami Inc now, the game has changed. I guess this could go back and forth forever. But the whenever someone has said it can't (or shouldn't) be done eventually someone comes along and proves differently. -- *greenboy* // Team NO AMIGA TO WASTE: Help build programs Ami needs! \X/ AMIGA *http://thunderstorms.org/NATW* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From jkrutz@meta.burner.com Mon, 26 Jan 98 12:25:13 MST X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1450 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1466 (database) From: Jamie Krutz To: studio16 Subject: Re: THANKS BEN & JAMIE Date: Mon, 26 Jan 98 20:25:00 Message-ID: <9801261925.AA013ny@meta.burner.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id UAA18937for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:57:14 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA24205for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:54:23 +0100 References: <9801252255.AA03217@panam.wimsey.com> X-NewsSoftware: GRn 2.1 Feb 19, 1994 Organization: The Back Burner BBS Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 9374a75afcc48ca791421637174fa668 In article <9801252255.AA03217@panam.wimsey.com> Dave_Hardy@panam.wimsey.com (Dave Hardy) writes: > Hi Ben, > > I would like to thank you for the wonderfull software that you, Todd & > Anthony developed for us. The AD516 hardware & it's excellent Studio 16 > software have made the Amiga computer the best hardware purchase that I > have ever made. I agree. The SunRize development team did some excellent work and it was a real thrill to see the last rev of Studio 16 take shape. I still use my AD516 for video soundtrack work. Ben, it's nice to see you on this list. I think I first met you at an Amiga convention where you were selling Project D (which I eventually purchased). I've enjoyed your contributions to Final Writer (and wish you had stayed there long enough to finish anchored graphics, they were lost on that without you :^). Your contributions to Studio 16 are much appreciated. I hope you are doing well with your current pursuits. > If Jamie is still on the list. Thanks ever so much for the excellent manual > that you and Susan Bruner put together for us. Wonderfull hardware & > software is even more usefull when supplemented by a lavish manual with > exhaustive attention to detail. > > Although Studio 16 is very intuitive & one could very easily never refer to > the manual, I have spent a great many pleasurable hours reading the manual, > gleaning every last ounce of wisdom from the information enclosed. > > It is wonderful to have a manual which is actually fun to read. My manual > has been read & reread so many times that the binding completely fell > apart. I had a metal spiral binding put on by Kinkos which has extended its > usefullness for years to come. > > Every os often in my spare time I brouse through the manual to see if there > isn't something that I've overlooked or forgotten. If only all Amiga > companies would but such effort into producing such a readable manual we > would all be saved a lot of greif. We >l done Jamie. Thanks Dave. Susan was great to work with. I had a lot of fun during that project bantering feature ideas back and forth with Todd and Anthony, and some good refinements came out of that. The current fruits of my manual laboring are available with World Construction Set (www.QuestarProductions.com). We just released WCS 3 for Intel/DEC Alpha. A PowerMac version is on the way. We're also working on WCS 3 for Amiga and eventually for Unix. Best Regards, -Jamie --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:53:22 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1466 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1467 (database) From: greenboy To: Jamie Krutz Subject: [S16] Passing on the Torch Date: Mon, 26 Jan 98 10:53:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id WAA20729for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 22:01:53 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA24625for studio16-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 22:58:33 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id WAA24623 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: cf1849cf18f0ccfcdbf397827f9f44b3 Hi, Jamie! Now its beginning to dawn on me all the different places I've seen your byline. Jamie Krutz's words on 27-Jan-98: >Ben, it's nice to see you on this list. I think I first met you at an >Amiga convention where you were selling Project D (which I eventually >purchased). I've enjoyed your contributions to Final Writer (and wish you >had stayed there long enough to finish anchored graphics, they were >lost on that without you :^). Sometimes I wish programmers had better ways to pass on the torch. It seems like there are often times when Amiga developers lose ground when programmers leave. Someone new there may want to contribute, but they need information or insight from the original programmer(s). [Is this thinly veiled statement indeed transparent?] 8D<=< >Your contributions to Studio 16 are much appreciated. I hope you are >doing well with your current pursuits. >The current fruits of my manual laboring are available with World >Construction Set (www.QuestarProductions.com). We just released >WCS 3 for Intel/DEC Alpha. A PowerMac version is on the way. >We're also working on WCS 3 for Amiga and eventually for Unix. Now _there_ is a World-class Herculean project! -- *greenboy* // Team NO AMIGA TO WASTE: Help build programs Ami needs! \X/ AMIGA *http://thunderstorms.org/NATW* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1464 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1468 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Gord Clink Subject: Re: GUI Date: Tue, 27 Jan 98 03:44:00 Message-ID: <608.331T356T2242149@bgnett.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Gord Clink wrote: >Kenny, is there is plans for tools with GUI's. Not that I'm complaining, but >so far, all the tools seem to be CLI based utilities, which make them not >very user friendly. Hi Gord, Yes, I have plans for an all-in-one tool that will do the stuff the cli tools do from GUI. However, I work on a project right now that will have high pri for a while and next project on the list will be a Cuelist render program. The cli tools are merly demo tools to show that things work using the includes. I was also hoping to see people make use of the includes and create tools. regards, - Kenny From dhomas@youngmonkey.ca Mon, 26 Jan 1998 22:29:48 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1469 (database) From: dhomas trenn To: studio16 Subject: Announce: Audio/MIDI Technical Info On-Line Date: Tue, 27 Jan 98 04:29:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id CAA27578for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 02:32:57 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA26087for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 03:28:54 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: young monkey studios MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: bd12172ab36b3f3686019b086d4ee305 Announce: Audio/MIDI Technical Info On-Line ------------------------------------------- Over the past years we've been gathering technical information for various music devices and on audio. We've added a new section on our website to make this information available. It's FREE so come check it out! http://www.youngmonkey.ca/ >From the main page, follow the 'who nose?: reference' link or just click on our monkey's nose to take you to the reference section. As we get the time, we'll be adding lots more. ENJOY! And let us know what you think! -- dhomas. ********************************************************************** * * * young monkey studios EMail: dhomas@youngmonkey.ca * * ---------------- WWW: http://www.youngmonkey.ca/ * * dhomas trenn * * Snail: 797 Mitchell Street * * Fredericton, NB * * Phone: (506) 459-7088 CANADA E3B 3S8 * * * ********************************************************************** --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From kenny@bgnett.no 27 Jan 98 03:44:07 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1464 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1470 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Gord Clink Subject: Re: GUI Date: Tue, 27 Jan 98 03:44:00 Message-ID: <608.331T356T2242149@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id DAA28926for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 03:37:53 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA26385for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 04:34:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 37d52ee7c18c0905823610b43d5b1f09 Gord Clink wrote: >Kenny, is there is plans for tools with GUI's. Not that I'm complaining, but >so far, all the tools seem to be CLI based utilities, which make them not >very user friendly. Hi Gord, Yes, I have plans for an all-in-one tool that will do the stuff the cli tools do from GUI. However, I work on a project right now that will have high pri for a while and next project on the list will be a Cuelist render program. The cli tools are merly demo tools to show that things work using the includes. I was also hoping to see people make use of the includes and create tools. regards, - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From Dave_Hardy@panam.wimsey.com Mon, 26 Jan 98 17:23:48 PST X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1471 (database) From: Dave Hardy To: studio16 Subject: Re: Regions Tool Date: Tue, 27 Jan 98 02:23:00 Message-ID: <9801270123.AA04362@panam.wimsey.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id OAA14903for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:16:13 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA29522for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:12:44 +0100 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: d13668414812e4db6ad88f6772f7abde Thanks a million for the crop regions tool Kenny. I haven't had the chance to try it yet but I'll let you know my impressions soon. Sorry a typing error in my message to Ben & Jammie. I typed Tony when I meant to type Anthony. Anthony Wood owns Sunrize Industries. Why he is in hiding I've no idea, but in the absence of any solid information some pretty wild scenarios come to mind. Before we start the rumor mill grinding, a couple of basic checks might be done. Has anyone looked in the Campbell California telephone directory to see if there is a listing for an Anthony J. Wood? How about Tim Jenson at Newtek? It's well known that Anthony was trying to sell Tim on using the studio 16 as the Flyer audio board. Possibly Tim might have this info. About a month & half before the vanishing act Anthony Wood posted a notice in Comp.Sys.Amiga.Marketplace listing for sale of several Amiga systems, including Video Toaster boards & AmiLink systems. I checked the phone number against my Sunrize info & sure enough it was the same number. Too bad it wasn't his home number. Great hardware, great software and great manuals. To me, Studio16 has a future even if the Amiga doesn't. To me, the important thing is how useful is the equipment, not is it the latest model. I don't know Anthony personally, but I would not like to see him hounded to death by people wanting to get their hands on his technology. However a nice anonymous posting of the code necessary for Maurizio to get a driver for his AudioLab software would b nice. I'm going to get back to you shortly with what use I can envision the CMX converter being put to. No use you spending a lot of time on it unless it can be put to a practical purpose. Dave Hardy Dave Hardy Productions Vancouver B.C. -- Via DLG Pro v1.16 --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From gclink@dryden.net Tue, 27 Jan 1998 08:57:50 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1472 (database) From: Gord Clink To: 'studio16@thule.no' Subject: RE: Anthony Wood Date: Tue, 27 Jan 98 15:57:01 Message-ID: <01BD2B01.A9A3FC20@gclink.avenor.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id OAA16599for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:59:34 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA29840for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:56:48 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: bastionhost.avenor.com: Host [10.100.240.153] claimed to be gclink.avenor.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 7e70fd70985f4586a68e5854530fa395 Dave Hardy Wrote: Before we start the rumor mill grinding, a couple of basic checks might be done. Has anyone looked in the Campbell California telephone directory to see if there is a listing for an Anthony J. Wood? I checked on bigfoot.com, and came up with an Anthony Wood in Cambell California. The Address is: root@iband.com Could this be him? Gord Clink gclink@dryden.net Dryden, Ontario, Canada --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From gclink@dryden.net Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:08:55 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1473 (database) From: Gord Clink To: 'studio16@thule.no' Subject: More E-Mail's Date: Tue, 27 Jan 98 16:08:01 Message-ID: <01BD2B03.32E4E5C0@gclink.avenor.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id PAA17157for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:11:37 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA29943for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:08:56 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: bastionhost.avenor.com: Host [10.100.240.153] claimed to be gclink.avenor.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: cbac030c2a306146683e398c93ec8ea4 I also have Todd Modjeski's address..... it is..... todd@agames.com I recall emailing him at this address about 2 years ago..... Gord Clink gclink@dryden.net Dryden, Ontario, Canada --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From gclink@dryden.net Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:35:28 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1474 (database) From: Gord Clink To: 'studio16@thule.no' Subject: Re: More E-Mail's Date: Tue, 27 Jan 98 16:35:00 Message-ID: <01BD2B06.E7D78020@gclink.avenor.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id PAA18001for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:37:48 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA30094for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:34:47 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: bastionhost.avenor.com: Host [10.100.240.153] claimed to be gclink.avenor.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: dc461cf2224324db370dacf473b20088 According to Atari Games Corp. Todd's current addresss is..... toddmod@concentric.net Gord Clink gclink@dryden.net Dryden, Ontario, Canada --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From benfuller@msn.com Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:57:58 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1475 (database) From: Ben Fuller To: Studio16 List Subject: AHI Expectations... Date: Tue, 27 Jan 98 16:57:01 Message-ID: <001701bd2b3c$5c9a7360$d041a8c0@ben200.macromedia.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id PAA18441for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:51:41 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA30204for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:48:54 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: e0f45c0144864b9c154865e1786d2950 So what kinds of things would be expected of an AHI driver for Studio16? Ben. --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:28:04 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1474 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1476 (database) From: greenboy To: Gord Clink Subject: Re: More E-Mail's Date: Tue, 27 Jan 98 06:28:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA21743for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:30:28 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA30893for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:26:42 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id SAA30891 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 044af3075895c06aecc405046479c9db Gord Clink's words on 27-Jan-98: >According to Atari Games Corp. Todd's current addresss is..... >toddmod@concentric.net Hey, Gord, Yeah, Todds old one was just that: old. Thank Atari for giving us a forwarding address. Anyway, been in touch with Todd, betatested something he wrote long time ago for The Other Guys. -- *greenboy* // Team NO AMIGA TO WASTE: Help build programs Ami needs! \X/ AMIGA *http://thunderstorms.org/NATW* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:26:05 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1475 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1477 (database) From: greenboy To: Ben Fuller Subject: Re: AHI Expectations... Date: Tue, 27 Jan 98 07:26:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA24000for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:42:37 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA31470for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:38:57 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id TAA31467 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: c7a4be5fc8ae1005081343b22f6b32dd Ben Fuller's words on 27-Jan-98: >So what kinds of things would be expected of an AHI driver for Studio16? "Dammit Ben, I'm just a former dealer, not a software engineer!" {Thanks, Brian -- I think}. But it seems to me it must be capable of providing every resource the Studio16 software used, in both directions. If there were still more tricks in the bag for the next release, that used calls that hadn't yet been used in 3.01, I would say make those available too. I don't know if other AHI drivers have embedded arexx calls (but I'm guessing not, the sound software should be where arexx comes in, right?). The AHI site -- http://www.lysator.liu.se/~lcs/ahi.html should be a place to start. If I were to be wild and abandoned -- I would yell from every rooftop -- "PULL OUT ALL THE STOPS! ANYTHING THAT DSP -- ANYTHING THAT CARD CAN DO THAT IS IN THE REALM OF AUDIO: WELL MAKE SURE THE DRIVER GIVES ACCESS TO IT!" But I need to conserve my lungs, and spare the "golden ears" this group possesses, so I guess a good start would be to examine what other software is doing with Amiga audiocards these days at Pauli Porkka's site: http://www.iki.fi/pporkka/main.html This site is regularly updated and has good links to other sound card people. And I believe I will think a little more about this and reexamine what other platforms are doing in the realm professional. Sincerely, -- *greenboy* // Team NO AMIGA TO WASTE: Help build programs Ami needs! \X/ AMIGA *http://thunderstorms.org/NATW* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From tc_silvey@juno.com Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:03:55 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1477 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1478 (database) From: troy silvey To: studio16 Subject: Re: AHI Expectations...realisticly Date: Tue, 27 Jan 98 22:03:01 Message-ID: <19980127.160356.21710.0.tc_silvey@juno.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA27965for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:08:25 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA32622for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:05:15 +0100 References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.38 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-7,9-17 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: a7890ef71460004a1c70cc7d7b3041ac >So what kinds of things would be expected of an AHI driver for Studio16? >But it seems to me it must be capable of providing every resource the >Studio16 software used, in both directions. If there were still more That would be great, but I think we could be happy with an AHI that would at least let third party software send and receive samples through the 516. Minimum would be to let the apps only send samples through 516. Recording could still be done through S16, but sample editors would need to be able to make edits then play to the AHI support. And games would only have to send the sound (including stereo sound) to the 516 through AHI. More integrated AHI to the S16 features might not be possible with out a major programming effort by folks like Ben and the others who knew S16 inside and out. Can't see that happening in the near future though. troy _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1471 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1479 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Dave Hardy Subject: Re: Regions Tool Date: Tue, 27 Jan 98 22:25:01 Message-ID: <610.331T2510T13454311@bgnett.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Dave Hardy wrote: >I typed Tony when I meant to type Anthony. Anthony Wood owns Sunrize >Industries. Why he is in hiding I've no idea, but in the absence of any Many thanks for the info Dave! It's an interresting start point. >To me, Studio16 has a future even if the Amiga doesn't. To me, the >important thing is how useful is the equipment, not is it the latest model. I share the same view. >I'm going to get back to you shortly with what use I can envision the CMX >converter being put to. No use you spending a lot of time on it unless it Ok >can be put to a practical purpose. Regards, - Kenny X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1475 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1481 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Ben Fuller Subject: Re: AHI Expectations... Date: Tue, 27 Jan 98 22:58:00 Message-ID: <467.331T1785T13784038@bgnett.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Ben Fuller wrote: >So what kinds of things would be expected of an AHI driver for Studio16? Play capabillity in minimum stereo. That's all there need to be in there as a basic driver. It would be nice with variable freq./pan/volume. I don't think recording should have high pri, but it would be nice to have this feature as well. The driver would probably need to handle memory-to-card as AHI works this way (IIRC). Probably a caveeat on the last part ? - Kenny From beachler@iastate.edu Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:39:58 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1477 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1482 (database) From: Rich Beachler To: studio16 Subject: Re: AHI Expectations...realisticly Date: Tue, 27 Jan 98 22:39:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id VAA29035for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:39:11 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA00170for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:36:21 +0100 X-Sender: beachler@pop-2.iastate.edu References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 8e02c6bc7a85905898bf2a7dd6b28d35 Thanks for asking Ben! >>So what kinds of things would be expected of an AHI driver for Studio16? My guess is that the most useful AHI interface (without going overboard) would have all the same input hooks as the Recorder module and output hooks for playing and controlling volume levels. Stereo access would be a big plus. A good start would be access to just the play and output level controls. I really appreciate your willingness to carry on a dialogue about this. Thanks again! Rich Beachler beachler@iastate.edu --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From benfuller@msn.com Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:47:01 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1483 (database) From: Ben Fuller To: Studio16 List Subject: AHI Expectations... take two... Date: Tue, 27 Jan 98 23:47:00 Message-ID: <001101bd2b75$7c0aea20$0300000a@portaben> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id WAA01072for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:45:38 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA00703for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:42:41 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: b15de22aa776e6506f84971b36ce9f03 What I really meant to say was: So what kinds of things would be expected of an AHI driver for the _AD516_? AHI coexisting with Studio16 will, most likely, not be an option... meaning the overhead of Studio16 will not be required to use the AHI driver. Ben. --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From kenny@bgnett.no 27 Jan 98 22:25:50 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1471 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1484 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Dave Hardy Subject: Re: Regions Tool Date: Tue, 27 Jan 98 22:25:01 Message-ID: <610.331T2510T13454311@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id WAA01358for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:54:00 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA00798for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:51:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: ce8c96c9eb7d7bc0c9202823b9d6d86f Dave Hardy wrote: >I typed Tony when I meant to type Anthony. Anthony Wood owns Sunrize >Industries. Why he is in hiding I've no idea, but in the absence of any Many thanks for the info Dave! It's an interresting start point. >To me, Studio16 has a future even if the Amiga doesn't. To me, the >important thing is how useful is the equipment, not is it the latest model. I share the same view. >I'm going to get back to you shortly with what use I can envision the CMX >converter being put to. No use you spending a lot of time on it unless it Ok >can be put to a practical purpose. Regards, - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From kenny@bgnett.no 27 Jan 98 22:58:35 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1475 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1485 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Ben Fuller Subject: Re: AHI Expectations... Date: Tue, 27 Jan 98 22:58:00 Message-ID: <467.331T1785T13784038@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id WAA01369for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:54:04 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA00806for studio16-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:51:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: f25682a84a4a236cfc522726726d8a14 Ben Fuller wrote: >So what kinds of things would be expected of an AHI driver for Studio16? Play capabillity in minimum stereo. That's all there need to be in there as a basic driver. It would be nice with variable freq./pan/volume. I don't think recording should have high pri, but it would be nice to have this feature as well. The driver would probably need to handle memory-to-card as AHI works this way (IIRC). Probably a caveeat on the last part ? - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:24:51 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1486 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: [S16] AHI Expectations AD516 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 98 12:24:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id XAA02227for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:30:21 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA01137for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 00:27:22 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id AAA01135 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 8a0c7e1a7b89faa91ff51a3aa28c3eef Ben, to the best of my knowledge I answered your AHI Take-2 the first time. ;^) I am resubmitting for _serious_ discussion my first answer. I want any pro-audio program to get some real use out of the AD516. Thanks for bearing with me -- the rest of you also. --------------------------------- >So what kinds of things would be expected of an AHI driver for th AD516? "Dammit Ben, I'm just a former dealer, not a software engineer!" {Thanks, Brian -- I think}. But it seems to me it must be capable of providing every resource the Studio16 software used, in both directions. If there were still more tricks in the bag for the next release, that used calls that hadn't yet been used in 3.01, I would say make those available too. I don't know if other AHI drivers have embedded arexx calls (but I'm guessing not, the sound software should be where arexx comes in, right?). The AHI site -- http://www.lysator.liu.se/~lcs/ahi.html should be a place to start. If I were to be wild and abandoned -- I would yell from every rooftop -- "PULL OUT ALL THE STOPS! ANYTHING THAT DSP -- ANYTHING THAT CARD CAN DO THAT IS IN THE REALM OF AUDIO: WELL MAKE SURE THE DRIVER GIVES ACCESS TO IT!" But I need to conserve my lungs, and spare the "golden ears" this group possesses, so I guess a good start would be to examine what other software is doing with Amiga audiocards these days at Pauli Porkka's site: http://www.iki.fi/pporkka/main.html This site is regularly updated and has good links to other sound card people. And I believe I will think a little more about this and reexamine what other platforms are doing in the realm professional. Sincerely, -- *greenboy* // Team NO AMIGA TO WASTE: Help build programs Ami needs! \X/ AMIGA *http://thunderstorms.org/NATW* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1472 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1487 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Gord Clink Subject: RE: Anthony Wood Date: Wed, 28 Jan 98 01:18:00 Message-ID: <78.332T389T782110@bgnett.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Gord Clink wrote: >The Address is: root@iband.com Got bounce... - Kenny From kenny@bgnett.no 28 Jan 98 01:18:07 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1472 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1488 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Gord Clink Subject: RE: Anthony Wood Date: Wed, 28 Jan 98 01:18:00 Message-ID: <78.332T389T782110@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id AAA03328for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 00:22:45 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA01529for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 01:19:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 57576b8c68c31bda282acac76e084212 Gord Clink wrote: >The Address is: root@iband.com Got bounce... - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From benfuller@msn.com Wed, 28 Jan 1998 00:12:10 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1490 (database) From: Ben Fuller To: studio16 Subject: Re: [S16] AHI Expectations AD516 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 98 09:12:00 Message-ID: <001a01bd2bc4$6f4c55e0$0300000a@portaben> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id IAA12186for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:11:20 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA04310for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:07:00 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 1a02e8614ecf6349ae5a936dde142440 greenboy wrote: >But it seems to me it must be capable of providing every resource the >Studio16 software used, in both directions. If there were still more tricks >in the bag for the next release, that used calls that hadn't yet been >used in 3.01, I would say make those available too. The next release of Studio16 would have (most likely) been a PC product (ie. there were no more tricks... let alone a bag... :-) AHI does not provide a mechanism for SMPTE timecode, therefore that feature of the AD516 will not be available. My current analysis of AHI indicates that the following should be feasible: - Playback of up to eight channels of 16 bit-mono samples with volume and pan. - Monitor input channels. - Record of up to four channels of 16 bit-mono samples (2 inputs and 2 outputs). - Selectable playback/record sample frequency limited to common frequencies. Ben. --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1490 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1491 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Ben Fuller Subject: Re: [S16] AHI Expectations AD516 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 98 09:21:00 Message-ID: <736.332T1817T5614122@bgnett.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Ben Fuller wrote: >AHI does not provide a mechanism for SMPTE timecode, therefore that >feature of the AD516 will not be available. No need for that in AHI either, but is there possible to have something that can 'monitor' SMPTE - is there a offset in the library base we could use for that ? Just curious. >My current analysis of AHI indicates that the following should be feasible: >- Playback of up to eight channels of 16 bit-mono samples with volume and >pan. >- Monitor input channels. >- Record of up to four channels of 16 bit-mono samples (2 inputs and 2 >outputs). >- Selectable playback/record sample frequency limited to common frequencies. Having an AHI driver that could do this would be very useful indeed. - Kenny From kenny@bgnett.no 28 Jan 98 09:21:36 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1490 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1492 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Ben Fuller Subject: Re: [S16] AHI Expectations AD516 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 98 09:21:00 Message-ID: <736.332T1817T5614122@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id IAA12807for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:31:45 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA04471for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:29:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 57b6c038582c866fc187f4a3d379c51d Ben Fuller wrote: >AHI does not provide a mechanism for SMPTE timecode, therefore that >feature of the AD516 will not be available. No need for that in AHI either, but is there possible to have something that can 'monitor' SMPTE - is there a offset in the library base we could use for that ? Just curious. >My current analysis of AHI indicates that the following should be feasible: >- Playback of up to eight channels of 16 bit-mono samples with volume and >pan. >- Monitor input channels. >- Record of up to four channels of 16 bit-mono samples (2 inputs and 2 >outputs). >- Selectable playback/record sample frequency limited to common frequencies. Having an AHI driver that could do this would be very useful indeed. - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Wed, 28 Jan 1998 01:41:31 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1493 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: Re: [S16] AHI Expectations AD516 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 98 21:41:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id IAA13338for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:47:46 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA04607for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:45:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 89acf83b6f1dfe66b20854fcce0ea087 Hey Ben. >greenboy (that's me!) wrote, on 27-Jan-98: >>But it seems to me it must be capable of providing every resource the >>S16 software used, in both directions. If there were still more tricks >>in the bag for the next release, that used calls that hadn't yet been >>used in 3.01, I would say make those available too. Ben's words on 28-Jan-98: >The next release of Studio16 would have (most likely) been a PC product >(ie. there were no more tricks... let alone a bag... :-) The dealer lit I used to get: they claimed it was the biggest selling card on any platform (92-93?). That was in a letter that was part of a promotion. >AHI does not provide a mechanism for SMPTE timecode, therefore that >feature of the AD516 will not be available. My Gosh. Well, after all -- SMPTE has nothing to do with audio recording. Or playback. >My current analysis of AHI indicates that the following should be feasible: >-Playback of up to eight channels of 16 bit-mono samples with volume and >pan. >-Monitor input channels. >-Record of up to four channels of 16 bit-mono samples (2 inputs and 2 >outputs). >-Selectable playback/record sample frequency limited to common frequencies. So I guess a product could run on top of it that was reminiscient of (gasp) Studio16. With improvements in interface, and using the OS calls for more things (like screenmode, FI) so as to be more system friendly. On the surface that doesn't exactly shake the world. But if the AHI driver allowed more types of packages to play and read the disk(s), and plug-ins were available for real bottom-line things like de-noising, parametric, etc. I'd like to see real time-parametric, more real time mixing features. Impossible? Thanks for taking it this far. -- *greenboy* // Team NO AMIGA TO WASTE: Help build programs Ami needs! \X/ AMIGA *http://thunderstorms.org/NATW* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From maurizio@ivg.it Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:24:07 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1498 (database) From: Maurizio Ciccione To: Steve Kusaba Subject: Re: AudioLabs Date: Wed, 28 Jan 98 18:24:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id TAA02683for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:02:26 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA07601for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:58:57 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.2 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: fed13202c3b56fd8f6f8aac7776ce2c1 >Maurizio, >I don't have any suggestions about the timeline at present but expansive >variants of manipulating the samples after they are recorded would be great. It's okay, Steve. >Another thing, (I am not sure that this is related) that would be really >great would be to have the ability to record samples and put them on a CD in >a format that would be similar to that of the typical tone generators that >Roland and others make. The samples that those companys have are usually Are the CDs in ISO format and the files uncompressed? If they are then there's no problem. Otherwise I'd need to contact Roland. Some sampling CDs use the SD format. I've got the original documentation for SDI (short sounds, for instruments) and SDII (generic recordings) directly from Digidesign. This is the first request for supporting Roland material. Maybe they just use some standard format. Please let me know. All the best, dr. Maurizio Ciccione AudioLabs, Digital Audio Engineering --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From gclink@dryden.net Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:01:15 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1499 (database) From: Gord Clink To: 'studio16@thule.no' Subject: Wow!! Date: Wed, 28 Jan 98 21:01:00 Message-ID: <01BD2BF5.33A3DA00@gclink.avenor.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id UAA04642for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:03:49 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA08059for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:00:14 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: bastionhost.avenor.com: Host [10.100.240.153] claimed to be gclink.avenor.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 4c3cbfa57481ed68f35467c47b4cc6d1 When Ben speaks, everyone shuts-up! --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:57:52 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1498 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1500 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: [S16] CD Formats for Midi Samplers Date: Wed, 28 Jan 98 11:57:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id XAA10247for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:00:40 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA09211for studio16-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:57:17 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id XAA09209 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 391d711a45762907fc1c1b7d14c2585e Steve's words (never got this mail so tell me when): >>Another thing, (I am not sure that this is related) that would be really >>great would be to have the ability to record samples and put them on a CD Maurizio Ciccione's words on 28-Jan-98: >Are the CDs in ISO format and the files uncompressed? If they are then >there's no problem. Otherwise I'd need to contact Roland. >Some sampling CDs use the SD format. I've got the original documentation >for SDI (short sounds, for instruments) and SDII (generic recordings) >directly from Digidesign. >This is the first request for supporting Roland material. Maybe they just >use some standard format. Please let me know. Hi, Maurizio. There are two basic categories for sampling CDs: #1# Audio CDs which simply store samples as audio tracks for the buyer to sample from. #2# CD-Roms which store pre-mapped and -voiced samples specific to different midi samplers. These can be uploaded into the samplers via SCSI interfaces and are ready to play, with appropriate keyboard-mapping and performance features. They are typically ISO and uncompressed, for real-time use. Within the formating of the CD-Rom, the [groups of] samples themselves are stored in formats specific to brands and instruments. This is because the different instruments support a variety of parameters and "voicing" features. But to ensure some compatibility for instance, the Akai format is widely read by other brands of samplers which include E-Mu and later Ensoniq instruments (though they also have their own formats). Kurzweil has a widely supported format, Roland to a lesser extent, Peavey, Korg, etc. Keyboard Magazine and their website http://www.keyboardmag.com is probably the best place to look to understand this marketplace of CDs. Discussed at their site (or used to be anyway) are the standards for publishing CDs. Hope this will help. Feel free to ask if I can clear anything up. -- *greenboy* // Team NO AMIGA TO WASTE: Help build programs Ami needs! \X/ AMIGA *http://thunderstorms.org/NATW* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From jacob@iag.net Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:36:02 EST5EDT4,M4.1.0 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1483 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1501 (database) From: Jacob Ellis To: Ben Fuller Subject: Re: AHI Expectations... take two... Date: Thu, 29 Jan 98 01:36:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id BAA13844for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:36:46 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA10004for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:33:13 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: ac059ff842e3694aac3c51a9921c22b1 On 27-Jan-98, Ben Fuller wrote: >What I really meant to say was: >So what kinds of things would be expected of an AHI driver for the _AD516_? >AHI coexisting with Studio16 will, most likely, not be an option... meaning >the overhead of Studio16 will not be required to use the AHI driver. I think just the basics. The ability to play audio in stereo at the AD516's supported sample rates, volume and panning control. What more could a person possibly want? :) Jacob -- jacob@iag.net --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From ged@mindspring.com Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:31:24 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1503 (database) From: Mark Montfort To: studio16 Subject: AudioLabs Date: Thu, 29 Jan 98 05:31:00 Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980128233121.0068e82c@mindspring.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id EAA17086for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 04:27:03 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA10826for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 05:23:33 +0100 X-Sender: ged@mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: da87b5714d3b817eb8040d7f9c7f0c6f To All: I'm sending around a thoughtful and encouraging reply from Maurizio to some feedback we've been bouncing back and forth about the AudioLabs and AD516. On reading this over, I don't think there's anything Maurizio would object everyone hearing and I think his replys have some great information that people might be interested in. Return-Path: From: Maurizio Ciccione To: Mark Montfort Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:56:42 +0100 Subject: Re: AudioLabs & Upgrading >Maurizio, >Thanks for your reply. I can appreciate how busy you are. >>Well, if we can track some guy from the original Sunrize crew maybe >>we can get the driver done. Otherwise it wouldn't be that simple to >>use the board directly. >Pardon my ignorance of AudioLab, I've got the reviews buried somewhere in >storage...! But, what are you using then? As I recall, you're supporting >other boards (Tocatta, etc.) as well as AHI, meaning the audio would be 14 >bit coming through the amiga audio outs if no other boards than the AD516 >are installed in my amiga? All correct except the fact that we *don't* support AHI. We have our driver standard, including a 14bit driver for the motherboard outputs. >>Plans are to both include hi-quality effects and allows 3rd parties >>to sell their ones as plug-ins. >> >>The scheme you proposed (preview, save as Studio16 files) is the same >>already in use in AudioLab16. We'll work on compression/limiting >Outstanding! Right now I am saving for a wonderful little piece of >outboard gear called a "Finalizer" by T.C. Electronics, retail about >$2,000.00 American Dollars. It can be used for recording/processing >tracks, but its main use is as a mastering tool. If your product would be >a viable alternative to this you would attract a serious niche of us >high-end music type people. Yes. We're addressing only the mid and hi end (no interest for the entry level Amigas). This allows tuning the features/performances of our products torward hi-quality standards. Staying away from the entry level market is "expensive" for a company but we're sure we'll continue to get respectable support from the power-users audience we're addressing. >Again, what is the signal output mechanism, since you aren't yet supporting >the AD516 hardware? And is it 16bit, 44k? What is the Signal to Noise >ratio and Dynamic Range? We intend drivers just for auditioning as the master tracks can now be easily delivered on digital media (CD-R, DAT,...). By the way AudioLab16R2 supports downloading to DAT with Maestro, SoundStage, SOundStagePro hardware. AudioLab16R2 outputs at 48KHz (or lower) / 16bit. Internally the S/N (and D.N., as they are the same for linear PCM systems) is 144dB (24bit software registers). All this doesn't need any board as you can use the application as a digital to digital system. >Yes, exactly. My thought was that these samples (short duration, drum & >percussive hits, fairly low memory) could be loaded into RAM for access >instead of constantly reading the Hardrive. That clarification probably >doesn't make it "do-able" from your standpoint, but it's what I was The problem here is poliphony. A multitrack system can prefetch tracks and mix them in realtime as it knows in advance the timing of each event. A realtime drum-machine, responding to random MIDI events should use a completly different design. As you suggested, sounds should be stored in RAM but the whole architecture should be changed. The fact is that a good multitrack software is worth thousands of dollars in stand-alone gears, while a real drume machine is relatively cheaper, no? I mean, not a big saving.... >Maurizio, thanks for your considered reply. This year I'll be paying >attention to seeing if they get a port of Amiga OS for the PPC boards >coming out. IF so, I'll be moving to one of those. Will your product be >compatible? Yes, Mark! We'll receive out early PPC hardware any day now. ProStation PPC is planned for June. And PPC plug-ins as well. We have decided not to wait for the OS porting as the dual processor boards (more complex) have been explicitly designed to allow porting the applications without the need of waiting for a new OS. All the best, dr. Maurizio Ciccione AudioLabs, Digital Audio Engineering --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:39:49 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1503 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1505 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: Re: AudioLabs Date: Wed, 28 Jan 98 19:39:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id GAA19142for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 06:44:55 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA11573for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 07:42:10 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id HAA11571 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: d14866d57f21906667a227577d999520 Mark Montfort's words with Maurizio Ciccione replying: >>Yes, exactly. My thought was that these samples (short duration, drum & >>percussive hits, fairly low memory) could be loaded into RAM for access >>instead of constantly reading the Hardrive. That clarification probably >The problem here is poliphony. A multitrack system can prefetch >tracks and mix them in realtime as it knows in advance the timing >of each event. A realtime drum-machine, responding to random MIDI >As you suggested, sounds should be stored in RAM but the whole >architecture should be changed. >The fact is that a good multitrack software is worth thousands >of dollars in stand-alone gears, while a real drume machine is >relatively cheaper, no? I mean, not a big saving.... Using the AD516 to be a midi sample-playback unit: inappropriate. I have seen this mentioned on the ML several times. There is a plethora of stand-alone hardware that (a) samples, and (b) has the neccessary interface to be very good at playing back and altering the sound of said samples in real-time. And it is available in many price ranges starting at dirt cheap. And it usually can take being hammered in the field, as well as the studio. Polyphony often exceeds the equivalent of 64 voices. Furthermore, the AD516 is enhanced by its hard-drive orientation, not encumbered by it. For instance: you've got tracks that were recorded on ADAT in a studio that had a not-especially-clean signal chain. You bounce them into the computer, and using a Plug-in designed for de-noising, typically apply it to entire tracks or mixes, which are almost always longer than what can be loaded into ram on any realistic setup. Polyphony is not especially a consideration here. You want something that can act as a multitrack recorder, but is not relegated to the linear approach tape-based multitracks are hobbled to. Something you can go down into the microcosm on, if need be, to edit. -- *greenboy* // Team NO AMIGA TO WASTE: Help build programs Ami needs! \X/ AMIGA *http://thunderstorms.org/NATW* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1506 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Francisco Rabay Junior Subject: Re: About Studio16 audio software improvements Date: Thu, 29 Jan 98 13:53:00 Message-ID: <804.333T1661T8333214@bgnett.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Francisco Rabay Junior wrote: >1. Noise reduction removal (with a noise print sample) >2. Hum removal >3. And pops and clicks removal from vinyl discs... > Could be by Interpolation and replacement from one of the channels to the Francisco, FYI: I have investigated some on this and found some things that could very well be suitable for this. The stuff contain rather complex math so I will have to find some sources that has 'translated' this into 'human' code. The stuff is "Bayesian Enhancement of speech and audio signals which can be modelled as ARMA processes" (MCMC/ARMA), and "Robust treatment of impulsive noise in speech and audio signals". The ARMA processing is meant for vinyl noise, pops and crackles while the latter is for reconstruction of sound (basically, that is). - Kenny From kenny@bgnett.no 29 Jan 98 13:53:33 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1507 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Francisco Rabay Junior Subject: Re: About Studio16 audio software improvements Date: Thu, 29 Jan 98 13:53:00 Message-ID: <804.333T1661T8333214@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id MAA00251for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:58:56 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA13353for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:54:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 0c7affadc258ebed4f9ca3136cb2f9c3 Francisco Rabay Junior wrote: >1. Noise reduction removal (with a noise print sample) >2. Hum removal >3. And pops and clicks removal from vinyl discs... > Could be by Interpolation and replacement from one of the channels to the Francisco, FYI: I have investigated some on this and found some things that could very well be suitable for this. The stuff contain rather complex math so I will have to find some sources that has 'translated' this into 'human' code. The stuff is "Bayesian Enhancement of speech and audio signals which can be modelled as ARMA processes" (MCMC/ARMA), and "Robust treatment of impulsive noise in speech and audio signals". The ARMA processing is meant for vinyl noise, pops and crackles while the latter is for reconstruction of sound (basically, that is). - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1508 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: All Subject: AHI Filesaver Date: Thu, 29 Jan 98 16:05:00 Message-ID: <285.333T1171T9652696@bgnett.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) The AHI filesaver I have mentioned a while back is now available from Martin Bloms homepage: http://www.lysator.liu.se/~lcs/ NOTE: This is NOT a /driver/ for the AD516 card - it just allow you to save data from AHI aware software as Studio 16 sample files (KWK3). - Kenny From kenny@bgnett.no 29 Jan 98 16:05:23 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1509 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: All Subject: AHI Filesaver Date: Thu, 29 Jan 98 16:05:00 Message-ID: <285.333T1171T9652696@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id QAA12492for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:29:30 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA14340for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:26:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: d595ccc87865ce550fd25d1bfac46e56 The AHI filesaver I have mentioned a while back is now available from Martin Bloms homepage: http://www.lysator.liu.se/~lcs/ NOTE: This is NOT a /driver/ for the AD516 card - it just allow you to save data from AHI aware software as Studio 16 sample files (KWK3). - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:06:57 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1510 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: [S16] AHI Action: News at Seven Date: Thu, 29 Jan 98 07:06:01 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id SAA18482for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:12:57 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA14857for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:09:56 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id TAA14855 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 941b56673c3ad0e3e4149815bcf4045c Hi, everybody; looks like this list is smokin' and on track. Just saw a mini- interview from Joe Torres (Amiga International) that mentions the great steps independents have made toward standards for the Amiga. AHI was mentioned -- but rather than paraphrase everything: Browse on, Amigas! -- http://www.cu-amiga.co.uk/news/cpu.html Francisco Rabay Junior wrote: >>1. Noise reduction removal (with a noise print sample) 2. Hum removal 3. >>pops and clicks removal from vinyl discs... Could be by Interpolation and >>replacement from one of the channels to Kenny Nilsen's words on 29-Jan-98: >I have investigated some on this and found some things that could very well >be suitable for this. The stuff contain rather complex math so I will have >to find some sources that has 'translated' this into 'human' code. >The stuff is "Bayesian Enhancement of speech and audio signals which can be >modelled as ARMA processes" (MCMC/ARMA), and "Robust treatment of impulsive >noise in speech and audio signals". >The ARMA processing is meant for vinyl noise, pops and crackles while the >latter is for reconstruction of sound (basically, that is). Wow, big-name White Papers, new acronyms -- great stuff! Did you check out the stuff Digidesign publishes for Plug-in designers? Might be some time-saving links available there -- http://www.digidesign.com and Sound Forge -- http://www.sfoundry.com Maybe there are algorhythms already floating around out there, available. >The AHI filesaver --snip-- now available from Martin Bloms homepage: > http://www.lysator.liu.se/~lcs/ >NOTE: This is NOT a /driver/ for the AD516 card - it just allow you to save >data from AHI aware software as Studio 16 sample files (KWK3). So AHI looks more like a real deal each passing day... -- *greenboy* // Team NO AMIGA TO WASTE: Help build programs Ami needs! \X/ AMIGA *http://thunderstorms.org/NATW* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1510 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1511 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: greenboy Subject: Re: [S16] AHI Action: News at Seven Date: Thu, 29 Jan 98 20:11:01 Message-ID: <826.333T2899T12114540@bgnett.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) greenboy wrote: > http://www.cu-amiga.co.uk/news/cpu.html Going PPC - nice :-) >>The ARMA processing is meant for vinyl noise, pops and crackles while the >Wow, big-name White Papers, new acronyms -- great stuff! Did you check out I am preparing mentally to go through all that stuff. My matrix printer used circa 8 hours to print it all out using Ghostscript (postscript->bitmap) :( >the stuff Digidesign publishes for Plug-in designers? Might be some >time-saving links available there -- Thanks, will check them out! >Maybe there are algorhythms already floating around out there, available. Very likely even though the stuff is pretty "new" ('95/96) >>The AHI filesaver --snip-- now available from Martin Bloms homepage: >So AHI looks more like a real deal each passing day... I like to think so :) - Kenny From kenny@bgnett.no 29 Jan 98 20:11:57 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1510 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1512 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: greenboy Subject: Re: [S16] AHI Action: News at Seven Date: Thu, 29 Jan 98 20:11:01 Message-ID: <826.333T2899T12114540@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id TAA20452for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:20:50 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA15209for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 20:17:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 0810d8f81165d2e2992f0c0d9b0131c8 greenboy wrote: > http://www.cu-amiga.co.uk/news/cpu.html Going PPC - nice :-) >>The ARMA processing is meant for vinyl noise, pops and crackles while the >Wow, big-name White Papers, new acronyms -- great stuff! Did you check out I am preparing mentally to go through all that stuff. My matrix printer used circa 8 hours to print it all out using Ghostscript (postscript->bitmap) :( >the stuff Digidesign publishes for Plug-in designers? Might be some >time-saving links available there -- Thanks, will check them out! >Maybe there are algorhythms already floating around out there, available. Very likely even though the stuff is pretty "new" ('95/96) >>The AHI filesaver --snip-- now available from Martin Bloms homepage: >So AHI looks more like a real deal each passing day... I like to think so :) - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From dhomas@youngmonkey.ca Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:27:01 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1509 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1513 (database) From: dhomas trenn To: Kenny Nilsen Subject: Re: AHI Filesaver Date: Fri, 30 Jan 98 00:27:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id WAA27328for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 22:29:29 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA16200for studio16-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 23:26:23 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: young monkey studios MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: d0fb0e37f933a62fba8a770bb631f55a Kenny spoke and whirled like a Dervish divine: > The AHI filesaver I have mentioned a while back is now available from Martin > Bloms homepage: Nope. I looked, I don't see. -- dhomas. ********************************************************************** * * * young monkey studios EMail: dhomas@youngmonkey.ca * * ---------------- WWW: http://www.youngmonkey.ca/ * * dhomas trenn * * Snail: 797 Mitchell Street * * Fredericton, NB * * Phone: (506) 459-7088 CANADA E3B 3S8 * * * ********************************************************************** --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From dschmoldt@ibm.net Thu, 29 Jan 1998 23:15:34 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1512 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1514 (database) From: Dave Schmoldt To: studio16 Subject: Studio16/AD516 SCSI Lockup Problems Date: Fri, 30 Jan 98 06:15:00 Message-ID: <34D161F6.AECF631F@ibm.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id FAA04949for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 05:18:42 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA18070for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 06:15:27 +0100 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <826.333T2899T12114540@bgnett.no> Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 1bb08ca9fffb0be3a81e7873cae465b2 My Studio 16/AD516 system is an Amiga 3000, OS 2.x. I have an internal 500 MEG Quantum, and had been using an external JAZ drive for sample storage. The JAZ worked fine, but if I tried to read samples off the internal drive, the hard drive light would intermittently freeze on for maybe 20 seconds, and the sample would stop loading. Basically what seemed to be a SCSI lockup. After the freeze, the sample transfer would pick up again. Since it was intermittent and I normally used the Jaz drive for samples, I didn't worry about it. Now I have purchased an internal 4Gig Micropolis SCSI drive, and want to use it instead of the Jaz. I installed it last noght, and partitioned it into two 2-Gig partitions (the largest HDToolBox would allow). Seemed fine. I used DOS copy to move some samples to the second of the two partitions. When I try to play the samples using Studio16, I get almost immediate SCSI lockups. After about 20 seconds, the sample will continue, but followed by another freeze within seconds. Instead of intermittent, like it was on the 500 Meg drive (which is now first in the SCSI chain), the lockups are now constant (but the old Quantum hasn't gotten any worse ... still intermittent). I have the SCSI terminations set up correctly, according to SCSI standards. Since the problem happens with both my internal SCSI drives, and never on external SCSI devices, I'm thinking it's a controller instead of a drive problem. The new Micropolis should be much faster at transfers than the Quantum ... could I be overloading the SCSI buss? Does anyone have any hints on why the problems with internal SCSI drives? I seem to vaguely remember hearing something about the A3000 having a SCSI chip upgrade. I've never upgraded my SCSI chip. I've never noticed any freezes, except when playing samples with Studio16. But then that's the only time I'm really moving huge amounts of data. Thanks for any guidance.. Dave Schmoldt Theatre Cedar Rapids --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Thu, 29 Jan 1998 22:42:26 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1515 (database) From: greenboy To: Dave Schmoldt Subject: Re: Studio16/AD516 SCSI Lockup Problems Date: Thu, 29 Jan 98 18:42:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id FAA05317for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 05:44:03 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA18217for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 06:41:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 4f988bbe1847c600119d6ff016244bb6 Dave Schmoldt's words on 30-Jan-98: >My Studio 16/AD516 system is an Amiga 3000, OS 2.x. I have an internal I would really start checking for physical address conflicts, make sure termination is really correct, cable quality is very important. Sounds like you've had flakiness before you ever got the new drive. So where was that coming from? Disconnect (a scsi software setting) could be a problem. I would note model numbers, go to the A3000 hardware site, which you should be able to find through the Amiga Web Directory, then I'd go to the qwuantum site. That older Quantum might need Disconnect when other drives are on the bus. I really don't remember the specifics on the 3000 scsi host, but all this info is on the web. I don't believe your prob has anything to do with the Studio16 software. Hope this helps. -- *greenboy* // Team NO AMIGA TO WASTE: Help build programs Ami needs! \X/ AMIGA *http://thunderstorms.org/NATW* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From dschmoldt@ibm.net Fri, 30 Jan 1998 00:19:25 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1515 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1516 (database) From: Dave Schmoldt To: studio16 Subject: Re: Studio16/AD516 SCSI Lockup Problems Date: Fri, 30 Jan 98 07:19:00 Message-ID: <34D170ED.DB5D2A20@ibm.net> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id GAA05912for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 06:21:50 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA18445for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 07:19:16 +0100 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 7d6176890f49157f6f29ab708715c64b I don't think it's the Studio16 either, but since it seems to happen more with large data transfers, I'm hoping someone here might have run into (and solved) the problem already. I thought about re-select, but that setting isn't availabel in HDToolbox. I think the GVP SCSI setup utility had that option ... maybe I can try that using scsi.device. greenboy wrote: > I really don't remember the specifics on the 3000 scsi host, but all this > info is on the web. I don't believe your prob has anything to do with the > Studio16 software. Hope this helps. > --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From dhomas@youngmonkey.ca Fri, 30 Jan 1998 02:24:12 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1514 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1517 (database) From: dhomas trenn To: Dave Schmoldt Subject: Re: Studio16/AD516 SCSI Lockup Problems Date: Fri, 30 Jan 98 08:24:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id GAA05934for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 06:24:28 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA18481for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 07:22:05 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: young monkey studios MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 0393d72d4dfde44623481a5a7bdf2a93 Dave spoke and whirled like a Dervish divine: > Now I have purchased an internal 4Gig Micropolis SCSI drive, and want to > use it instead of the Jaz. I installed it last noght, and partitioned > it into two 2-Gig partitions (the largest HDToolBox would allow). First of all, to use a drive bigger than 4G you MUST install the new scsi patches from the Amiga site (files area is off of the News section). I've got them here if you can't find them. If you do not, anything written to the upper partition (4G area) will corrupt the bootblock and other data on the low end. I spent 3 days trying to get it all working, so if you need some help contact me directly. I've posted this reply to the list in case anyone else ventures into the land of 4G... > I have the SCSI terminations set up correctly, according to SCSI > standards. Since the problem happens with both my internal SCSI drives, Do you have the 3000 motherboard terminators installed? 3 blue (probably) resistor packs. If so, you probably have to remove them. > drives? I seem to vaguely remember hearing something about the A3000 > having a SCSI chip upgrade. I've never upgraded my SCSI chip. You should upgrade to the latest chip... they aren't that expensive and can make all the difference in the world. > I've never noticed any freezes, except when playing samples with > Studio16. But then that's the only time I'm really moving huge amounts > of data. Yes, this is very likely the reason. -- dhomas. ********************************************************************** * * * young monkey studios EMail: dhomas@youngmonkey.ca * * ---------------- WWW: http://www.youngmonkey.ca/ * * dhomas trenn * * Snail: 797 Mitchell Street * * Fredericton, NB * * Phone: (506) 459-7088 CANADA E3B 3S8 * * * ********************************************************************** --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From dhomas@youngmonkey.ca Fri, 30 Jan 1998 02:26:02 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1516 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1518 (database) From: dhomas trenn To: Dave Schmoldt Subject: Re: Studio16/AD516 SCSI Lockup Problems Date: Fri, 30 Jan 98 08:26:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id GAA05971for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 06:26:16 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA18521for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 07:23:56 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: young monkey studios MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 3c30976def211145cc16cc8af0822e9f Dave spoke and whirled like a Dervish divine: > I thought about re-select, but that setting isn't availabel in > HDToolbox. I think the GVP SCSI setup utility had that option ... maybe > I can try that using scsi.device. You need a utility like RDBFlags to play with these SCSI flags... and also SetBatt. -- dhomas. ********************************************************************** * * * young monkey studios EMail: dhomas@youngmonkey.ca * * ---------------- WWW: http://www.youngmonkey.ca/ * * dhomas trenn * * Snail: 797 Mitchell Street * * Fredericton, NB * * Phone: (506) 459-7088 CANADA E3B 3S8 * * * ********************************************************************** --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1513 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1519 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: dhomas trenn Subject: Re: AHI Filesaver Date: Fri, 30 Jan 98 08:03:00 Message-ID: <195.334T987T4833176@bgnett.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) dhomas trenn wrote: >> The AHI filesaver I have mentioned a while back is now available from >> Martin Bloms homepage: >Nope. I looked, I don't see. Hm, strange... I'll tell Martin. - Kenny From kenny@bgnett.no 30 Jan 98 08:03:19 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1513 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1521 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: dhomas trenn Subject: Re: AHI Filesaver Date: Fri, 30 Jan 98 08:03:00 Message-ID: <195.334T987T4833176@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id HAA07656for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 07:54:49 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA18958for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:52:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: b5f2feed24f2224d70562ca40616fb9b dhomas trenn wrote: >> The AHI filesaver I have mentioned a while back is now available from >> Martin Bloms homepage: >Nope. I looked, I don't see. Hm, strange... I'll tell Martin. - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From gclink@dryden.net Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:49:53 -0600 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1522 (database) From: Gord Clink To: 'studio16@thule.no' Subject: Playback Channels? Date: Fri, 30 Jan 98 16:49:01 Message-ID: <01BD2D64.704520C0@gclink.avenor.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id QAA24137for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:17:44 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA21156for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:58:52 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: bastionhost.avenor.com: Host [10.100.240.153] claimed to be gclink.avenor.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id QAA21154 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: eb779134f658664232744abbeed883de Can anyone tell me how many play back channels I should be able to get with Stock 3000/25Mhz and Quantum 2.1GB FireBall SCSI drive with Studio16 Cache set to 512kb? (I'm using an 8k block size with OS3.1) Gord Clink gclink@dryden.net Dryden, Ontario, Canada --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From MCKITTRM@Mattel.com Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:34:03 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1523 (database) From: McKittrick, Mike T To: 'studio16@thule.no' Subject: RE: Studio16/AD516 SCSI Lockup Problems Date: Fri, 30 Jan 98 17:34:00 Message-ID: <11C089E676D0D011A14C0080D800162165EA23@ESTWR56> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id QAA24809for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:40:35 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA21339for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:34:05 +0100 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 2bcaa4a7b0d8232e37377cf749f6743b Dave wrote: > Does anyone have any hints on why the problems with internal SCSI > drives? I seem to vaguely remember hearing something about the A3000 > having a SCSI chip upgrade. I've never upgraded my SCSI chip. > I have a 3000 and went thru the various chip upgrades the first of which was the SCSI chip. Highly recommend it. It is the Western Digital SCSI rev8A available from Paxtron, Software Hut, VisionSoft, etc., for about $25-$28. Something else you can try is to install the 2nd drive externally along side the Jazz drive. Feel free to email me if you have any questions. Regards, Mike --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:04:24 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1524 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: Re: [S16] Playback Channels A3000/25 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 98 06:04:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id RAA25540for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:06:11 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA21551for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:03:48 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id SAA21549 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 6dbc3c01fd8c4f616179c6dbbcab9b71 Gord Clink's words on 30-Jan-98: >Can anyone tell me how many play back channels I should be able to get with >Stock 3000/25Mhz and Quantum 2.1GB FireBall SCSI drive with Studio16 Cache >set to 512kb? (I'm using an 8k block size with OS3.1) Well, back when I had an A3000/25MHz, and an older drive than that it seems like 5 to 6 was a good bet. But I never really optimized before I was on to my A4000. [Then I was doomed. I had problems with the A4000/AD516 combo Sunrize had made a minor board revision to solve, and neglected to inform me of, even as a dealer. Then, gone without a trace --] I have heard claims of 7-8, but am sceptical. -- *greenboy* // Team NO AMIGA TO WASTE: Help build programs Ami needs! \X/ AMIGA *http://thunderstorms.org/NATW* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1522 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1525 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Gord Clink Subject: Re: Playback Channels? Date: Fri, 30 Jan 98 19:24:00 Message-ID: <530.334T955T11642436@bgnett.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Gord Clink wrote: >Can anyone tell me how many play back channels I should be able to get with >Stock 3000/25Mhz and Quantum 2.1GB FireBall SCSI drive with Studio16 Cache >set to 512kb? (I'm using an 8k block size with OS3.1) I don't have an A3000, but my A4000/030/25 can play 6 channels at most using AFS and a zorro II (GVP) scsi controller. This is at 44.1khz and doesn't always work (depends on how much edits a file contains (seek()'s) and other stuff). I am using a 256kb channel buffer and 128kb copy buffer. - Kenny From kenny@bgnett.no 30 Jan 98 19:24:19 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1522 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1528 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Gord Clink Subject: Re: Playback Channels? Date: Fri, 30 Jan 98 19:24:00 Message-ID: <530.334T955T11642436@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id WAA03818for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 22:22:56 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA23186for studio16-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 23:20:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 7df4ce85d94c6211b743435199f8762f Gord Clink wrote: >Can anyone tell me how many play back channels I should be able to get with >Stock 3000/25Mhz and Quantum 2.1GB FireBall SCSI drive with Studio16 Cache >set to 512kb? (I'm using an 8k block size with OS3.1) I don't have an A3000, but my A4000/030/25 can play 6 channels at most using AFS and a zorro II (GVP) scsi controller. This is at 44.1khz and doesn't always work (depends on how much edits a file contains (seek()'s) and other stuff). I am using a 256kb channel buffer and 128kb copy buffer. - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From benfuller@msn.com Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:29:50 -0800 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1530 (database) From: Ben Fuller To: Studio16 List Subject: Amiga <-> PC connections... Date: Sat, 31 Jan 98 01:29:01 Message-ID: <000f01bd2ddf$5844c220$0300000a@portaben> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id AAA06296for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 00:27:38 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA23859for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 01:25:03 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: e0a5a2ee2088d18791d6f4f1577f4e1e Does anyone know of Amiga software that allows access to shared Win95/NT directories? How about Amiga software that shares directories so that Windows can access them. (I'm looking into setting up a hybrid PC/Amiga build environment) Ben. --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From masquith@erols.com 30 Jan 98 21:08:02 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1530 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1532 (database) From: Mike Masquith To: studio16 Subject: Re: Amiga <-> PC connections... Date: Fri, 30 Jan 98 17:08:00 Message-ID: <34D24132.MD-0.198.masquith@erols.com> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id CAA08362for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 02:10:45 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA24435for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 03:08:06 +0100 Organization: Barkin' Beaver Studios Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS 0.198 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 97012c97e5c09a9a6dd04d6dcbf1f52c > Does anyone know of Amiga software that allows access to shared Win95/NT > directories? > How about Amiga software that shares directories so that Windows can access > them. > > (I'm looking into setting up a hybrid PC/Amiga build environment) > Connected how? Ethernet? If so, I use Samba along with Miami (TCP/IP stack). Samba allows the Amiga to communicate with the built in Win95/NT networking. It's a port of a Unix program. Not easy to install and setup, but it works. This allows the Windoze machines to 'see' the Amiga drives. For the Amiga to 'see' the Windoze drives, you can't just share them. For some reason you have to get an NFS (Network File System). It sounds like a bigger deal than it is, thankfully. The one I use is TropicNFS. I think the shareware fee was under $30. It is mercifully easy to set up. Samba is on Aminet. I think the latest version is 1.6.9. I forget where I found Tropic. Wasn't too difficult using AltaVista search. If you go this route, let me know. I can help you get it set up. -- -Mike Masquith, Barkin' Beaver Studios, VA, USA --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From jacob@iag.net Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:10:08 EST5EDT4,M4.1.0 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1530 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1533 (database) From: Jacob Ellis To: Ben Fuller Subject: Re: Amiga <-> PC connections... Date: Sat, 31 Jan 98 03:10:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id CAA08363for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 02:10:45 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA24442for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 03:08:19 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 3d1a2615548a09d0d992c085e2b9378d On 31-Jan-98, Ben Fuller wrote: >Does anyone know of Amiga software that allows access to shared Win95/NT >directories? >How about Amiga software that shares directories so that Windows can access >them. Only one I know of that is practical is the Siamese system. It isn't cheap, but it is very well regarded (it actually does a lot more than just file sharing). http://www.siamese.co.uk Jacob -- jacob@iag.net --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From sag@cae.ca Sat, 31 Jan 1998 01:02:29 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1534 (database) From: Serge A Guilbert To: studio16 Subject: Re: SMPTEout -Reply -Reply -Reply Date: Sat, 31 Jan 98 07:02:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id GAA12195for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 06:10:01 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA25658for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 07:06:12 +0100 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 659f5f5375393d327cf2eb919a165e07 -->The video camera (or blackburst generator or whatever) would supply the -->timing clock, a genlock would synchronize the Amiga to the video source, -->and SMPTEout would output SMPTE based on the timing signals provided by the -->video camera. OK. I understand the Amiga synching with the genlock, but how does the Amiga synch with SMPTEOut? After all, SMPTEOut is a free-running module. -->It is quite possible such a synchronization method would provide a more -->stable timing reference over a period of time when compared to an aging -->Amiga no longer in its prime. Sure, as long as the SMPTEOut's output is accurate, which is really what started this entire discussion in the first place, no? :>) -->CGX v3 is much better, I can run Studio16 with a couple tracks going and -->not get any audio interruptions when I change screens. This is encouraging. Thanks. -->Are you saying you are running the audio out of the Amiga into the SMPTE -->input and using SMPTEout to drive Studio16? If this is the case then I -->don't think you will ever get that to work accurately. No. The SMPTEOut automatically locks into the Studio16, just like playing the Internal SMPTE Generator. Funny you mention it though. Just out of curiousity, I actually tried to connect it in the manner you mentioned (I apparently have way too much time on my hands). If I remember, it didn't work, because the internal lock takes priority over the external. Sounding off; Serge A. Guilbert, B.Eng CAE Electronics, Flight Simulators, Sound Group (514)341-6780 x4129 sag@cae.ca --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Fri, 30 Jan 1998 23:32:26 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1535 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: [S16] Siamese System not Server Date: Fri, 30 Jan 98 19:32:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id GAA12470for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 06:34:01 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA25814for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 07:31:38 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odin.thule.no id HAA25806 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 78fad1a231d472de79ae2fc5289dd3f9 That address for Ben Fuller sure was not the site supporting the Siamese System. Hope you didn't sign up for server services there, Ben . http://www.oberland.com You can probably go from there; that's just the front door. Last time I was there some of the stuff was only in German. Probably search engines or Amiga Web Directory can find it in Americanese if this is still the case. Both methods mentioned have their pluses. One of these days I'll probably go for the Siamese System, as a very powerful way to integrate two platforms into one -- _and_ share files. -- *greenboy* // Team NO AMIGA TO WASTE: Help build programs Ami needs! \X/ AMIGA *http://thunderstorms.org/NATW* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From greenboy@email.bigsky.net Fri, 30 Jan 1998 23:40:37 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1536 (database) From: greenboy To: Studio16 Crew Subject: [S16] A4000 and GVP scsi host Date: Fri, 30 Jan 98 19:40:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id GAA12593for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 06:42:15 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA25897for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 07:39:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: ee48df8fd6fc8efabf398824816938de Kenny Nilsen's words on 30-Jan-98: >I don't have an A3000, but my A4000/030/25 can play 6 channels at most using >AFS and a zorro II (GVP) scsi controller. This is at 44.1khz and doesn't >always work (depends on how much edits a file contains (seek()'s) and other >stuff). I am using a 256kb channel buffer and 128kb copy buffer. Kenny, has that system ever been reliable for you? The GVP card gave me tons of grief and unreliability in both my 4000 and 2000 -- until I got the GuruRom for it. Still, due to Sunrize not informing me of a slight board mod I would need to run it in the 4000, I was limited to using it in the 2000. Earlier, when Sunrize still was passing information on, I was informed the GVP dma scsi design was problematic. That was certainly what I found. In general the Guru Rom spead things up and cleared up some other problems. -- *greenboy* // Team NO AMIGA TO WASTE: Help build programs Ami needs! \X/ AMIGA *http://thunderstorms.org/NATW* --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From sag@cae.ca Sat, 31 Jan 1998 02:01:11 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1537 (database) From: Serge A Guilbert To: studio16 Subject: Re: SMPTEout -Reply -Reply -Reply Date: Sat, 31 Jan 98 08:01:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id HAA12905for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 07:06:35 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA26044for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 08:04:13 +0100 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 603f3369b2c77269404ef87371858cc8 Hello Gary; -->I wonder if it is the same thing...in that, the way S16 -hooks internally- to -->the time code of S/O (SMPTE Output) may be different than the way -->S16 -hooks- to time code it hears coming in it's smpte sync input. In that context, I agree. However, I was refering to the fact that if the SMPTEOut code is drifting, it's going to drift just as much if it is recorded onto a reel-to-reel, and played back (assuming the reel-to-reel is calibrated). Sorry for the confusion. -->I am beginning to look at the inter relationships between - - --> 1. the cuelist transport (internal sync) --> 2. the SMPTE Generator (internal sync) --> 3. the SMPTE Output --> 4. the SMPTE sync input on the back of the AD516 --> 5. the time code -hooks- B&P uses Please let me know what you find. >If we try to use the Internal SMPTE Generator, which is an accurate >source, -->(not sure about that leap) Well, I'll tell you what. As per my tests, it's as accurate as my Fostex 4010 rack-mount Generator. As I mentioned previously, I can stripe my reel-to-reel with a 4010 generated SMPTE code, record my audio tracks, and play everything back, properly synched to B&P, using the Internal SMPTE Genrator as SMPTE master. That's about as good as it gets in my books. Can you think of a more "deterministic" test? If so, I'd be glad to try it. -->From my memory of 3 plus years ago when I went round and round with -->Todd Modjeski about this, it seems to me that there is some -->calculating the S16 does everytime you start a playback in the -->cuelist. I did a quickie test with the pitch control of my reel-to-reel (SMPTE Master). If I slow down my reel-to-reel a little bit, my audio tracks will start to drift from my B&P drumbeat. If I slow down my reel-to-reel a lot (about 10%), Studio16 will stop playing the samples outright. Same thing if I speed everything up. This would suggest to me that Studio16 cannot dynamically recalc playback speeds (nor should it, really). Now that I think of it, when I had my AD1012 installed alongside my AD516, I would always get a warning message which showed up every time I would inadvertently try to play back AD516 samples on the AD1012. It would tell me that the AD1012 couldn't play back 44.1kHz samples, and would have to re-convert to a speed accessible to the AD1012 (43.8 kHz, or some nonsensical thing like that). If Studio16 was, indeed, able to dynamically convert on the fly, I should think it would have done so at that point. -->The SMPTE Lock in the Preferences I thought was an attempt to keep -->S16 in a constant or almost constant update mode as far as where S16 -->was in relation to any external sync source. Yeah. Big mystery there. The manual doesn't explain much. -->was this comparison done with the 4010 recorded to tape and played -->back or generated directly? Both methods. -->idea in mind. If it was so obvious that the design as you describe -->of Internal SMPTE was so much more (logically) accurate, why did -->they not use AD516 in some way to generate it? I don't think it was Good question. This is something I've always wondered about. Perhaps others in the know... -->Once again I am not saying you are wrong, HA. Don't worry. I'm usually wrong more often than I'm right. ;>) -->Is there any type of SMPTE analyzer device that could check the -->integrity/accuracy of SMPTE code? Hmm, good question. I know that, in Jam mode, the Fostex 4010 will try to fix, or reshape, an incoming signal. It will even fill in missing pulses. That would be a test I could try at some point. I could run the reel-to-reel signal into the 4010, and slow down the pitch wheel on the reel-to-reel to see how the 4010 deals with it. -->I stayed up very late last night 5AM! testing some of these ideas -->and a few others. My results were mixed at best. When my head is -->clear....hopefully by tomorrow, I will post my observations. Cool. -->Thanks Serge and Richard. This is an area that really needs to be -->cleared up. I'm down wit it! Agreed. Please forgive the tardy reply. I was out of town for a while. -->Please bare with my scrutiny....just looking for my own silver bullets. No problem at all. Let me know when you bag yourself a werewolf. :>) Sounding off; Serge A. Guilbert, B.Eng CAE Electronics, Flight Simulators, Sound Group (514)341-6780 x4129 sag@cae.ca --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From baff@mindspring.com Sat, 31 Jan 1998 02:08:13 +0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1463 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1538 (database) From: Brian Fields To: Gord Clink Subject: RE: Buying the technology Date: Fri, 30 Jan 98 22:08:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id HAA13057for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 07:16:17 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA26115for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 08:14:00 +0100 X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [040] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: eb3410b573a21e68d88327946ee48994 On 27-Jan-98, greenboy wrote: --------------------------------- "Dammit Ben, I'm just a former dealer, not a software engineer!" {Thanks, Brian -- I think}. --------------------------------- Thanks for the credit greenboy, but I think Gene Roddenberry gets it. If I may put my two cents in, *On 27-Jan-98, Gord Clink wrote:* >I was referring to Lee's remarks!! It just sounded a little angry to me! >Being angry never gets results. Esp. when dealing with someone who could help >us, like Ben!! *>Lee's Reply to Ben!! * >They wanted to buy the technology to produce the boards.. >why else would they spend a year trying to find out? >Perhaps, you think they were on a personal quest to just >see if they could find out for the hell of it? >They never were able to find out! They found nothing but dead ends. >Millions of dollars...funny. It would be better to sell the stuff for >$5000.00 and be rid of it, rather than to sit on it and do >nothing with it, until it is so old it's useless. Especially, hardware >for what you consider to be a dead platform. Yep sitting on >hardware and software that is dated anyway, now thats a >*brilliant idea*. Perhaps in a few more years they might, just >might be able to donate it to a museum or somthing. >regards, >Lee Guys and dolls, Sounds to me like Ben is being pretty straight with us. I feel honored to be in the company of quite a few of the caliber of folks here. I'm a hacker who is out of my league with some of this stuff but as far as Gord and Lee, you seem to both make some valid points. I'm passionate about my Amiga as I'm sure a lot of folks here are. And I'm sure all of us are frustrated by the seeming indifference to the platform's dilemma. I'm frankly amazed that with all obsolete technology, (except for the PPC '060 I'm about to get for my "antique" A3000) that I am using, I can still compete in a small business environment with burning CD's, doing digital audio soundtracks for video, non-linear editing etc. Other platforms are at this moment eclipsing the Amiga with less configuration hassles and better output at a lower price but it's taken them years to catch up and even then Amiga USA had to go into bankruptcy in order for them to do this. Yes it is indeed the right of whoever owns the rights to Sunrize to sit on them till hell freezes over. And they also have a right not to be hassled or bugged. I know a person at Gateway however who would definitley argue that the Amiga is not a dead platform. He used to be the president of our user group here in Atlana(and a damn good one) and is now head of engineering at Gateway for the Amiga.. . . Joe Torre. So on this premise, with Amiga "dead or alive?" question firmly established in the respective persons minds, it would seem to beg the question; What would be the most productive? Is the Sunrize code usable in another product? It is obviously well thought out enough. Should willing minds be given some of the code in order to help keep it alive? Altruism, passion and spirit are all fine and good but who really got screwed when Sunrize went out of business? All Amigans yes. Did the owner who has it now get screwed and feels he can use it on another product. If so, more power to 'em. I know I'm undercutting most of the folks wishes on this mailing list including myself but if the person(s) who now own it have gone to the lengths that it seems they have, not to be known or bothered, there is nothing that anyone can or should do to try and find out this info. I respect the coders and builders of the Sunrize boards. Hopefully one of the same masterminds who developed it still has it. If they had so much love and thought into this that they did such a great job on it, I have no doubt that eventually they will do the right thing with it. . . . . . . And only they know what that is. *Sorry if my two cents worth ran up to four dollars.* I wrote this a few days ago and didn't know if I wanted to send it or not for fear of being to inflammatory. But when Greenboy mentioned Joe Torre's name I I felt a little internal nudge. Respectfully to all, Brian Fields baff@mindspring.com and BTW There is a book out there if anyone is interested on the ADSP 2105 called "Digital Signal Processing Applications....using the ADSP-2100 family" by the Applicatrions Engineering Staff of Analog Devices, DSP Division. It is put out by Prentice Hall ISBN # 0-13-219726-X. It comes with a PC disk and has boatloads of sample code for any interested parties. >--- >*** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From sag@cae.ca Sat, 31 Jan 1998 02:25:01 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1539 (database) From: Serge A Guilbert To: studio16 Subject: THANKS BEN & JAMIE -Reply Date: Sat, 31 Jan 98 08:25:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id HAA13238for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 07:30:31 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA26219for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 08:28:14 +0100 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: a8620620b1b56f287c7ea05622454d2e -->Hi Ben, -->I would like to thank you for the wonderfull software that you, Todd &... Well thought out, Dave. I fully echo those kudos. Sounding off; Serge A. Guilbert, B.Eng CAE Electronics, Flight Simulators, Sound Group (514)341-6780 x4129 sag@cae.ca --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From sag@cae.ca Sat, 31 Jan 1998 02:41:08 -0500 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1540 (database) From: Serge A Guilbert To: studio16 Subject: SMPTEOut -Reply Date: Sat, 31 Jan 98 08:41:00 Message-ID: Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id HAA13455for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 07:46:36 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA26357for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 08:44:14 +0100 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: d5f3578c3e4ab98db8b984158170e5c7 -->!Just finished teaching another 16mm filmmaking workshop at my studio,.. Pretty neat stuff. -->elsewhere than SMPTEOut. I would suspect Bars&Pipes is using true 30 frame -->timecode and not the video 30 frame (29.97) rate. Then you most definitely -->would experience a drift. The B&P manual is pretty vague on this point. I finally got fed up, and started using 30DF everywhere. In my case, though, I don't have to worry about synching to video. Sounding off; Serge A. Guilbert, B.Eng CAE Electronics, Flight Simulators, Sound Group (514)341-6780 x4129 sag@cae.ca --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1534 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1542 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Serge A Guilbert Subject: Re: SMPTEout -Reply -Reply -Reply Date: Sat, 31 Jan 98 10:38:00 Message-ID: <238.335T1107T6383468@bgnett.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Serge A Guilbert wrote: >OK. I understand the Amiga synching with the genlock, but how does the Amiga >synch with SMPTEOut? After all, SMPTEOut is a free-running module. It seem to use the audio.device interrupt.. (guessing). - Kenny X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1536 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1543 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: greenboy Subject: Re: [S16] A4000 and GVP scsi host Date: Sat, 31 Jan 98 10:44:00 Message-ID: <469.335T503T6442764@bgnett.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) greenboy wrote: >>zorro II (GVP) scsi controller. >Kenny, has that system ever been reliable for you? The GVP card gave me tons >of grief and unreliability in both my 4000 and 2000 -- until I got the The card says HD8+ A4000, but in my A2000 it worked fine - in my A4000 it waits ~30 seconds before booting if I use the IDE drives simultainously. I don't have a boot jumper on the card which would solve that (as I have the impression other gvp cards has). - Kenny From net@dutch.nl Sun, 1 Feb 1998 13:24:26 +0900 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-Message-No: 1544 (database) From: Rene' Schaap To: Mailling List Subject: Fw: VIRUS WARNING !!!!!! (fwd) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 98 05:24:00 Message-ID: TCPSMTP_GEN.4915.15667@193.78.25.237 Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id MAA17417for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:20:27 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA27538for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 13:18:00 +0100 X-ROUTED: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 13:21:58 0000 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Net X-Mailer: AEMAIL (Amiga eMail), Version 1.40 (October 10 1997), (c) 1997 by John F. 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Huizingalaan 765 > Postbus 9999 > 1006 CE Amsterdam > Tel. +31(0)20-513 2940 / mobile +31(0)6-5374 5500 > Fax. +31(0)20-513 7340 > Mail harry_julsing@nl.ibm.com > > > > > > > > --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From kenny@bgnett.no 31 Jan 98 10:38:22 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1534 (There are more replies.) X-Message-No: 1547 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: Serge A Guilbert Subject: Re: SMPTEout -Reply -Reply -Reply Date: Sat, 31 Jan 98 10:38:00 Message-ID: <238.335T1107T6383468@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id NAA18697for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 13:23:16 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA27872for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 14:20:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: 87017890247fefe6547dc89c94501c25 Serge A Guilbert wrote: >OK. I understand the Amiga synching with the genlock, but how does the Amiga >synch with SMPTEOut? After all, SMPTEOut is a free-running module. It seem to use the audio.device interrupt.. (guessing). - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/ From kenny@bgnett.no 31 Jan 98 10:44:10 +0100 X-SystemInfo: Studio 16: EMail X-ReplyTo-No: 1536 (There are no more replies.) X-Message-No: 1548 (database) From: Kenny Nilsen To: greenboy Subject: Re: [S16] A4000 and GVP scsi host Date: Sat, 31 Jan 98 10:44:00 Message-ID: <469.335T503T6442764@bgnett.no> Followup-To: poster Reply-To: studio16@thule.no Return-Path: Received: from odin.thule.no (majordom@odin.thule.no [195.18.176.82])by bryggen.bgnett.no (8.8.8/8.8.5/brage2.1) with ESMTP id NAA18702for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 13:23:19 GMT Received: (from majordom@localhost)by odin.thule.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA27873for studio16-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 14:20:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Sender: owner-studio16@thule.no Precedence: bulk X-FAQ: mailto:studio16@emrl.com, put 'get faq' in subject X-FAQ: ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/docs/misc/Studio16faq.lha X-LISTHELP: mailto:majordomo@thule.no and type HELP in body X-Human: mailto:kenny@bgnett.no X-UIDL: c7d6019396fb2042a7e6764e5e70f678 greenboy wrote: >>zorro II (GVP) scsi controller. >Kenny, has that system ever been reliable for you? The GVP card gave me tons >of grief and unreliability in both my 4000 and 2000 -- until I got the The card says HD8+ A4000, but in my A2000 it worked fine - in my A4000 it waits ~30 seconds before booting if I use the IDE drives simultainously. I don't have a boot jumper on the card which would solve that (as I have the impression other gvp cards has). - Kenny --- *** The *Studio* *16* mailing list - /see/ /header/ /for/ /more/ /info/