DFDuck's #AmiWestTA IRC Conference Logs 12-Jul-98

This is my complete log. Unaltered other than editing out my private messages, reformatting of text to make it readable (ever try reading an AmIRC log?), and adding html tags top and bottom. I missed the beginning of both days. I started logging at 1:15pm the 11th and 10:26am the 12th. If anyone has those times logged I would really appreciate a copy of them.
«Log»     |Logging started at 12-Jul-98 10:26:00.
tamaron   |like a triangle hmetal
«Quit»    |Brewster (britim@dhack2-214.cybernex.net) has signed off (Demo 
          |timeout).
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HMetal    |Hah.  I'll bet..
d         |etherius  saw the same here.. seems to be a dead issue on the 
          |TeamONE ml.
d         |etherius  nobody cares anymore.
_ego      |Seems to me thats a problem PIOS has at the moment
etherius  |I thought maybe AInc would have used it, once.
_ego      |It doesn't seem to have been THAT much of an improvement.
d         |AmigaInc has an os.. same for AROS.. what would you want using 
          |something you don't control.
etherius  |If PIOS seemed like part of the family, I'd care.  They've always 
          |seemed like a bunch of anti Phase5 anti Amiga Intl. whiners.
HMetal    |What's the URL for the cam again?
Perty     |HMetal: www.amiga.org/webcam/cam.jpg
HMetal    |Thanks Perty
Perty     |np
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d         |etherius  the main thing they whine about is AmigaIncs lack of 
          |action.. same thing we're doing here.
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tamaron   |:>
etherius  |If there weren't so many legal hassles, and i found myself owning 
          |Amiga, then BUYING ProDad, Phase5 and PIOS would have been cool.
HMetal    |good afternoon Mr. Krueger. :)
_ego      |etherius: WEll there are plenty of Amiga people who aren't fond 
          |of P5.  Or Amiga International for that matter
d         |etherius  Haynie also has severe reservations about using 
          |multimedia chips as gen purpose CPUs.  The one's he know anyway.  
          |He's not a party to the NDA.
etherius  |I think many of us wish the market could support all of them, 
          |somehow.
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HMetal    |d: but he can only speculate about what he does not know. :(
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tamaron   |I think there has to bve a way to be flexible enough to 
          |incorporate everyone
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          |time).
HMetal    |d: If Dave were privy to the NDA/info, then he could make a more 
          |informed analysis.
_ego      |I think that AInc should do whats commercially viable rather than 
          |try to incorporate every fringe element
«Nick»    |Xcal-Tech is now known as Delta.
d         |HMetal  yeah, but he sure blew just about everything we do know 
          |(exists now) out of the water.
tamaron   |yeah for the standard ainc should control but creativity is what 
          |makes the amiga
etherius  |tamaron:  I have a CSPPC, and it's a great piece of hardware, 
          |with software which is steadily improving.  AInc. should find the 
          |best possible use for Phase5 in the Amiga's future.
HMetal    |d: I wouldn't expect less from Mr. H. :)
dave_c    |g'morning Ray
HMetal    |Hey Dave(C) :)
CyberWolf |Hi everybody! I've just joined. So what's the latest AMIAG news 
          |from AI?
tamaron   |i agree eth not to mention p5 is the only advancing company on 
          |the ami
CyberWolf |oops AMIAG=AMIGA
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tamaron   |speaker arrived
_ego      |tamaron: Nonsense.  What about Siamese, Index, Haage & Partner
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AAlley    |Cy: Nothing at all
dave_c    |amiwest98 goes moderated
Lambertus |New speaker..  WHo is it?
HMetal    |Dave: I just released CNet v4.57 this AM..  WarNPeace has it.  
          |did you get it or should I DCC it to you?
dave_c    |shoot it!
RobSDA    |tamaron:  Don't forget Access Innovations with the Access and 
          |BoXeR and Inside-Out cards!!
d         |tamaron  I think Pios has be very best PPC sans 68K solution.. 
          |better than macs.  But AmigaInc doesn't want PPC.
HMetal    |DaveC: Okay, on the way.
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etherius  |_ego: All of them can coexist, if they don't cannibalise the 
          |market for each other.
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          |(Getting outta here....it stinks).
HMetal    |
Lambertus |shh...  it must be quiet in here for the speaker...
PUNA      |yessir
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d         |_ego  every on else in the world is partnering up on these 
          |projects.. except in Amiga land where everyone insists on rolling 
          |their own.
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_ego      |d: Its all part of that tedious Amiga independance
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d         |_ego the Amiga market is so small..
Lambertus |Oi... how to get into the queue?  Just a question.
Lambertus |oi
dave_c    |their guest (in amiwest98) is Branko Carija from BrainTech
d         |_ego  hope we don't independence ourselves from a viable system.
etherius  |The market can expand.
d         |etherius  if MMR Amigas fly is may well explode.  And goodie for 
          |that.
etherius  |Hope so.  I still want to see a REAL Amiga portable someday.
tamaron   |how about mmr that has a powerup card
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CyberWolf |d: hwta is MMR AMIGA?
d         |tamaron .. eh .. why?
tamaron   |:>
CyberWolf |oop hwta = what
etherius  |I'd rather see a MMR card for the CSMKIII and CSPPC
redteo    |all: any news?
Lambertus |erm...  The cam seems to show that my question was not 
          |understood...
etherius  |MMC got switched to MMR, I guess. Stands for Multimedia Risc
d         |remember guys.. if MMR is five times faster than a Pentium its 
          |over four times faster than PPC.
Riley     |who's brainchild is this Multimedia Risc chip then?
_bladez_  |is it me or has the web cam stopped updating :((
_bladez_  |??
tamaron   |if this is true that is great
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Lambertus |Is there any info available about heat dissipation (?) and power 
          |drain of the MMC?
d         |Havemose said there will probably be some hardware emulation 
          |solution for 68K amiga imulation, but the demand for it will go 
          |away very soon.
redteo    |all: any news?
tamaron   |i just like to see multiple solutions to things
Riley     |who started calling it by that name?
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Riley     |redteo: no news
d         |Riley  'multimedia RISC' was one of the great news items last 
          |night.
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AAlley    |The webcam is not refreshing. This is a national tragedy.
Riley     |d: tell me more
_bladez_  |aa: hehe
_ego      |AAlley: No, its predictable.  It broke about 3 times yesterday :)
CyberWolf |d: Can you tell me more about this Multimedia RISC?
AAlley    |It never worked at all for me.
Myste     |So.. Any official news?
_ego      |No
AAlley    |I've rewritten the code, but to no avail.
d         |Riley  not much more to tell.. the same stale numbers 400M 
          |pixels/sec  a 1GHz bus apparently
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Riley     |d: this info from AInc?
d         |Riley CyberWolf  also an "inadvertant" release of the name of a 
          |high teck consulting firm.. Alphametric, Inc.  (yes they have a 
          |website)
_ego      |Riley: That was the info from AInc last month
RaTTleR   |URL?
etherius  |I'd like to see aAInc seem to think this chip will fly with or 
          |without AmigaOS.  People don't mention that much.
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d         |www.alphametric.com  its japanese
AAlley    |add a .com to it
Riley     |what's this Alphametric have to do with the chip then?
RMerlin   |ROTFL
RMerlin   |It's really WILD how Amiga rumors start :)
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RMerlin   |*I* mentionned the 1 Ghz bus last night as an example of an 
          |already existing fast bus :)
_ego      |etherius: The sort of things that they are quoting wouldn't be 
          |greatly affected by an OS
tamaron   |i love senarios
_ego      |RMerlin: Well if you said it, it MUST be true ;)
RMerlin   |Keep on rumormonging guys :)
AAlley    |RMer: Well, you know that in the absence of accurate rumors, we 
          |will invent our own:)
d         |Riley Unknown.. they consult with a lot high tech businesses and 
          |with startups.
tamaron   |it is all in fun
d         |RMerlin  I asked last night for clarification and didn't get 
          |that.. thanks for the info.
Riley     |d: so nothing really SOLID came up last night?
AAlley    |If that pic of sCOOBy doesn't refresh soon, I'm gonna carge him 
          |rent on my desktop
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d         |Riley  not that we got, Bill McEwen didnt show like he said he 
          |would after the banquet.
etherius  |_ego:  If it is something like ProjectX, which has DVD for less 
          |than the cost of other DVD chipsets, then it will have a nice 
          |market penetration.  Why not have an OS run on such a chip
Riley     |d: argh...i should've known...
tamaron   |he had too much ale
Riley     |d: who mentioned this Alphametric then?
d         |Riley there was also some hinkey thing about none of this info 
          |getting out of the Amiga community.
_ego      |etherius: No reason at all.  My point is that the stats being 
          |quoted would be largely unaffected by an OS.  Since  no OS runs 
          |on the chip currently they can hardly do comparisons
laire     |ether: you hopefully noticed you describe something which isn`t a 
          |desktop compuer
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d         |Riley  The word was on a slide in their presentation and Bill 
          |said something like quick get that off the screen.  But the query 
          |was on.
_ego      |laire: The proposed new Amiga isn't intended to be just a desktop 
          |computer
Riley     |d: sounds like some conspiracy...;-))
etherius  |laire:  I know, but if it truly is a scalable design, does it 
          |matter?
laire     |ego: del "just" and you`re correct
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RMerlin   |_ego: A shame that what I need is a desktop computer, not a 
          |fridge or a DVD player.
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Lambertus |hmm...
tamaron   |rotfl
_ego      |RMerlin: The answer then is to pay for development yourself.  If 
          |you don't you won't get something thats specifically for you. ;)
Lambertus |The Alphametric on a slide MUST have been intentional..  : )
tamaron   |i am typing on thr fridge now
VideoTeck |RMerlin: DVD-games could be nice ;)
tamaron   |:>
d         |Riley  I think they're dancing dangerously close to an NDA, tring 
          |to give us as much as they can.  Too much and somebody figures it 
          |out... could be bad news.
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etherius  |Just because it starts under $500 doesn't mean it has to stay 
          |there.
_ego      |d: Someone figures it out, they deny it and the rumours continue 
          |:)
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RMerlin   |VideoTeck: If I wanted a game console, I'd buy a PSX.
Lambertus |Tamaron: Typing on a fridge?  ; )
d         |_ego  but do the NDA partners see it the same way?
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_ego      |RMerlin: Nothing they stated last month actually precludes a 
          |desktop computer
VideoTeck |RMerlin: I'm not talking about games of today. They are lame
d         |_ego  the *appearance* of impropriety and all that..
Lambertus |That was a short moderated discussion
_ego      |d: Whats the chances they'd even hear about it.  This stuff 
          |rarely gets out of irc or usenet
Lambertus |Are they always this short?
tamaron   |call them riley
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Lambertus |nah...
etherius  |Makes perfect sense to me.  Look at WinCE appearing on Sega's 
          |DreamCast, and being liscensed to Matsushita (who own the now 
          |outdated 3Do M2 tech)
Riley     |tamaron: they could hang up on me
_bladez_  |an update !
tamaron   |do a little mind game on them
d         |_ego  From usenet to ANN and AWD.. there ARE Amiga savvy 
          |journalists out there.
_ego      |d: And being journalists they're pretty careful what the print
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_ego      |d: Some wild guess on usenet is unlikely to make news.com
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          |channel.
_ego      |Seems the webcam is up again
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          |channel.
d         |_ego  some are..  unlikely is most likely, but still possible.
_ego      |d: I mean that name could have been a red herring.  Truth is 
          |we've got bugger all clues as to who the company is
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«Nick»    |T-RexYard is now known as T-Rex.
Lambertus |What's a red herring?  (I mean, not the literal meaning)
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d         |_ego  yeah, and they don't make chips, iirc, just deal with a lot 
          |of companies that do.
_ego      |Lamberfus: A peice of false information placed deliberately to 
          |misslead
Rog       |I've heard that the MMC is based on a Mobius strip with infinite 
          |nested loops leading into a parallel world called "Lexx"
_ego      |Rog: You been watching Sci-fi tv too much :)
AAlley    |I think this is a case of "MMC-Gate"
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d         |Rog  Dunno about "Lexx" but we toyed with the idea of a 
          |Transputer based MMC.. talk about yer electronic Mobius strips.. 
          |:)
Lambertus |_ego: thx..
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Riley     |bye people, i'll be back after the World Cup final
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_ego      |Speaking of the World Cup, did anyone notice that Croatia's strip 
          |was remarkbly like a checked boing ball? :)
Sodapop   |I thought that MMC meant "Marylin Monroe Chip", or maybe "Mister 
          |Magoo Chip".....
tamaron   |mister magoo definitely
_ego      |<- Clearly a very sad person
tamaron   |because we can't see him until it is too late
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tamaron   |:>
Lambertus |_ego Yes..  I noticed as well..
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d         |could be..  MMR =  Magoo, Mr.  ?
Rog       |d: I liked the transputer idea mmrt
tamaron   |they make a great flicker fixer ego
T-Rex     |Because they are AMIGA sunglasses.
_ego      |tamaron: They make a great way to ruin your eyesight!
tamaron   |cheapest one i had :> maybe i should be mr magoo
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«Topic»   |VideoTeck sets topic to World Cup final, while we wait :)
_ego      |tamaron: MagicTV is cheaper ;)
d         |I had a whole litany of why it could be MMC, Haynie shot it down 
          |with one line.. No MMC..
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tamaron   |d? what did you mean by that?
_ego      |I don't think even the World Cup final will last till November ;)
d         |Rog  No MMC.. no memory protection.  (also too expensive, but he 
          |didn't think that was inherent.  Expense is why they went 68030 
          |rather than do something with transputers.
VideoTeck |ego: hehe
d         |tamaron  er, by what.
Lambertus |Err.. Is that Dave in the background of the pic?
Lambertus |; )
tamaron   |oh i understand now
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d         |oops sorry no MMU.. no memory protection.
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tamaron   |sometimes i think i have no mmu :>
amiwest   |hello everyone, TA just told me that there computer is being used 
          |in a seminar and they will return when it's over.
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d         |so many MM's .. so little attention span.. :-/
_ego      |Well the excitement is too great for me.  I shall leave and 
          |return later to discover that you still don't know anything ;)
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          |(Byeeee).
Lambertus |I'm off too...  bye
etherius  |I might still have the energy to stagger off to bed... G'Night 
          |All!
d         |IS there anything planned for here today.. or on #AmiWest98.. 
          |will Bill show anywhere?
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PUNA      |ne1 using a scsi hard drive?
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AmigaMMC  |Hello ya all
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d         |hi
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Lambertus |He!  Jay Miner's brother on the cam?
d         |I think thats the AEMail guy, ... ???
DFDuck    |ya
Lambertus |John Zacharias, now in moderated mode
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d         |How exactly does "moderated" mode work?  This is just my second 
          |day on IRC..
Lambertus |Mine too...
Lambertus |Just read what's said.
VideoTeck |d: you must be op or +voice to speak
d         |Post your questions to the moderator in chat mode or something.
Lambertus |f you got a question you type "/msg TB ?"
AAlley    |You may not type into that cahnnel. If you want to ask a 
          |question, msg an op with a ?
Lambertus |And then try to type your quesion before you are given the 
          |priviledge to ask it
Lambertus |; )
d         |okay.. TB being the OP now.. kewl..
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Lambertus |If you see your name with "+v" then you can ask the question.  
          |End it with "ga"  (Go Ahead)
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d         |next question.. how do you change your handle..?
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Lambertus |Who is TB anyway?
beezo     |who is being interogated?
AmigaMMC  |guys, any news today?
PUNA      |ne1 know about supradrive for the A500?
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DFDuck    |and what does TB stand for?
beezo     |puna, i have one
d         |John Zacharias, aemail guy
PUNA      |how do u get the hd to be recognized?
beezo     |John, if your daughter is with you, tell her I said HI!!!  :)
AmigaMMC  |Did they show the BoXer?
Lambertus |Handle?
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d         |Johnis on #amiwest98
Lambertus |Beezo: tell that to him personally
Lambertus |Is he on this channel anyway?
StriderSR |d: just type /nick ur_new_handle
d         |how to change  to  ?
PUNA      |beezo: how do u mount the hd ?
Lambertus |Oh that handle
PUNA      |beezo: hdtoolbox can't see the hd but supra tools can
Thiesen   |d: use "/nick "
d         |Thiesen  tanks.. right idea, wrong syntax..
«Nick»    |d is now known as d9090.
beezo     |puna,m really?  that doesnt happen tom
beezo     |to m
beezo     |to me
d9090     |Kewl..
Thiesen   |d9090: No problems.... :-)
d9090     |Thiesen  Thanx
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GKnight   |what's the show population supposed to be like over there ? how 
          |many people showed up ? is it anywhere comparable to the WOA 
          |shows in the UK ?
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Opus      |what are we waiting for?
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d9090     |Opus  Dunno..  "stuff", I guess.  :-)
Opus      |hmmm
DFDuck    |We're all waiting for a sign from the Gods.
MrModePro |Looks like rain
d9090     |Opus  might not be that direction.. :-)
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d9090     |Is that the smell of paint drying? *excitement*  I better go 
          |check.. brb
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Rog       |I just locked onto the Web cam, and who is the gent in front?
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thrym     |can anyone tell me if some news has been announced!
T-Rex     | John Z, Author of AEmail and co-organizer of AmiWest
T-Rex     |he is taking questions in the AmiWest 98 channel
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sadams    |hi y'all
d9090     |sadams  hi!
sadams    |:)
Defacto   |news anyone
sadams    |what have I missed?
d9090     |nada gents
DFDuck    |The news is; Its gonna be a hot one in ol' Sacratomato today.
sadams    |has Kermit Woodall been up to chat?
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d9090     |DK
sadams    |hi Cat
TheCat_   |hello sadams
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TheCat_   |PUNA: !!
sadams    |where u at's ,Cat
TheCat_   |USA
sadams    |So's I !
sadams    |East or West?
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          |place.).
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TheCat_   |West PA
sadams    |Pittsburg?
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TheCat_   |approx 25 miles nw of Pittsburgh
sadams    |:)
sadams    |I'm from L.I. NY
TheCat_   |what's the new from amiwest?  NE thing new?
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TheCat_   |:)
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Shaman_   |hi
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sadams    |sorry, not much :(
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Opus      |portnoy!
portnoy   |Hi
sadams    |Cat: Goin, to the Ami Mid Ohio show in Oct?
PUNA      |not even new rumors Eek TheCat_
GKnight   |hi there Portnoy
portnoy   |GKnight: Hello!
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portnoy   |So, was there any new information released this weekend?
sadams    |portnoy: we're it!
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TheCat_   |sadams: don't think so.
sadams    |:(
sadams    |Cat: and you're so close
portnoy   |Havemose had nothing to say last night?
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PUNA      |did he even show up?
TheCat_   |sadams: this 4000 is pretty well loaded and the PPC/060 cost 
          |tooooo much
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d9090     |Havemose dint show.  Only Bill McEwen showed up from AmigaInc.
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sadams    |Cat: there must be somthin' u need :)
sadams    |Cat: CD-R?
portnoy   |d9090: Does anyone have a log they could send me?
TheCat_   |sadams: if I were to buy another CD it would be RW
sadams    |Cat: okey :)
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Opus      |I want a log too
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sadams    |Cat: u got Video Toaster?
d9090     |maybe but not me.. not much substance here.. Bill promised to 
          |come back to IRC and share what he was announcing at the 
          |Banquet,but he didn't show.
TheCat_   |sadams: no   do a /CTCP TheCat_ SETUP
Yrag      |Sadams:  I'm using an HP ON my PeaCea...Adaptec's CD Direct looks 
          |like good technology.  Anyone know if teh Amiga supports this?
tamaron   |maybe because he did not announce anything :>
Delta     |any PPC user can MSG me in private plz?  question to ask
TheCat_   |Delta: !!
Delta     |Cat! :)
PUNA      |no warez here;)
d9090     |Delta  One thing.. MMC has a name now..  "multimedia RISC"  no 
          |specific maker given..
TheCat_   |hmmmm wonder if Multimedia RISC is the new G4????
DrFraggle |d090: Who said that?
Delta     |damn :)
portnoy   |d9090: Was there some kind of spec list for that new chip 
          |released?
PUNA      |i got your G4 right here buddy;)
d9090     |TheCat_   Not motorola..
PUNA      |Altivec thang
Delta     |we better hurry up....Banshee chipset already makes 125M 
          |pixel/sec for a low price
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TheCat_   |PUNA: give back my G4!!!!
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d9090     |All..  I wasn't there.. what we got last night was second hand 
          |stuff and sketchie
d9090     |on the IRC, that is..
PUNA      |with TV phone cable and the net to be on one line soon, things 
          |will change drastically
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DrFraggle |How much? :)
d9090     |.. but looked like some of the same stuff mentioned from WoA, eg, 
          |400M pixels/sec.. blah blah
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arnold    |hmmm, what's up with the web cam, so dark
Opus      |Dr. dunno...prolly never get what it's worth
PUNA      |they should stop having shows and get down ta business
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PUNA      |any announcements can be read off the net
Opus      |puna: where
d9090     |PUNA  that was the story on AmigaInc not showing.. Jeff doing 
          |contracts and Dr. Allan doing coding.
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DrFraggle |Puna: That`s what they did
PUNA      |there should be only 3 shows max
PUNA      |one in England, one in Germany and one in North America
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PUNA      |good then
sadams    |Cat: hot setup u got! :)
d9090     |PUNA  why?  amiga inc is putting no resources into any of these.. 
          |they're home grown basically.
TheCat_   |sadams: :_
TheCat_   |sadams: :)
PUNA      |i'm very skeptical of AI
Plush     |'lo
Opus      |puna:dunno about that, usa is pretty large, that's like saying 
          |one in europe
PUNA      |they're still pushing off A1200s!!!
PUNA      |a loaded A1200 should be like $500 max
d9090     |Amiga Inc is the devil we know.. Carl said this would be a dark 
          |void before the light.
PUNA      |even then thats too much
Delta     |Plush: nice ISP you have ;)
d9090     |.. and canada..
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Plush     |:)
Plush     |I bet that I could get another one that's as cool as this one
PUNA      |i think they already have the cpu they want, they must in order 
          |to make there projected deadline
sadams    |and sooo...
Delta     |Plush: for the same price ;)
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Plush     |Delta: for no extra cost ;)
sadams    |ZZzzzz
Delta     |haha
PUNA      |gonna watch 22 fakers
PUNA      |lates
PUNA      |go amiga
Delta     |I wonder if the new machine will need a "dedicated" video chipset 
          |or will only be CPU driven?
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Plush     |tho I'm not "spoofing"
Delta     |really?  ok :)
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sadams    |hi eggman
RobSDA    |Has anyone heard anything recently about Fabio Bizzettis 
          |AGAExtender idea from a couple years ago?  Or is it dead?  Also, 
          |any news at AmiWest about Access Innovations AGA+ or BoXeR 
          |motherboard?
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eggman    |hello all,
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sadams    |kukukitchoo
Opus      |hi
sadams    |hi ginger!
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AmigaMMC  |Delta: the MMC is like a cideo chipset
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sadams    |Anyone hear of any new PPC Ports being completed?
ginger    |hello
ginger    |any news?
Plush     |BTW> anyone has any info about current status of BGUI? their 
          |mailing list seems to be dead
AmigaMMC  |delta: cideo=video
Delta     |AmigaMMC: hmmm..could break the barrier of having those damn 3D 
          |cards at 500$
Ecyrd     |BGUI is still being developed, it's just a bit slow now.
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AmigaMMC  |Delta; $500 is the set price of a base AmigaII MMC based
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Delta     |cooly...cause two Voodoo-2 cards is expensive and already 
          |outdated by TNT, Banshee, etc...
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AmigaMMC  |Any BoXer at all??
Delta     |but it is damn neat
d9090     |Alan Crandell is being introd on #amiwest98
Ecyrd     |BGUI exchanged hands about half a year ago, and the current code 
          |base is very buggy.  Hunting bugs from unknown code is quite 
          |difficult.
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Plush     |Ecyrd: really? or is it in the same sort of development like all 
          |my miggy programs?
AmigaMMC  |Delta: the MMC is said being able to render 400Million pix/sec 
          |(the VooDoo2 about 80...)
AmigaMMC  |delta: plus OS5 is scaleable...
d9090     |Crandall.. sorry .. from A+
Delta     |AmigaMMC: 90 actually ;)    But we will need "games" to have some 
          |sales
Plush     |OS5ce ;)
Ecyrd     |Plush: We're all quite busy with our regular jobs, so BGUI is not 
          |getting as much attention as it could be...
Delta     |Games/internet are the main reasons why people buy computers now
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TheCat_   |will the new Amiga have MIDI built in?
ginger    |and for /education/
Dozer     |TheCat_: I REALLY hope NOT...
Plush     |Ecyrd: well, at least it had the right look... except for the 
          |lack of colors
Toast     |Did Bill M. say anything about MARKETING the november box?
sadams    |Dozer: How come?
AmigaMMC  |Delta: no worries, AI is aiming at the convergence market. 
          |Internet is the top "destination"  (got the joke?)
Delta     |haha
AmigaMMC  |True: Hi Tim, what's up!
TRue      |Fear!
Dozer     |sadams: have you ever used it?
TheCat_   |I won't buy another Amiga is it does not support MIDI out of the 
          |box
Ecyrd     |Plush: Well, it was always intended to be fast and easy to use.  
          |User configuring didn't come in until in the latest versions.
sadams    |Dozer: In a limited way.
AmigaMMC  |TRue: why?
Plush     |and BGUI Builder is a kick-ass proggy... I used it tio build the 
          |GUIs and then converted the code to CA
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TRue      |I'm concerned about the marketing direction turning against the 
          |community.
Dozer     |TheCat_: do you mean midi interface or midi chip?
AmigaMMC  |TRue: in which way?
TRue      |How would you like to start a user group for sunbeam blenders?
Ecyrd     |Plush: True, though I much prefer doing stuff with BGUI the 
          |'coder way' ;-)
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TheCat_   |Dozer: should be able to play MIDI files and have a MIDI 
          |interphase
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ginger    |so, any news at all?
TRue      |More specifically I see a trend towards traitional marketing 
          |where the users community will be ivershadowed by it.
Dozer     |TheCat_: why not buy an addon card like you have to do for the 
          |(oh, shit...) pc...
Shaman_   |bye
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AmigaMMC  |TRue: we need to get rid of legacy stuff soon
Delta     |I hope we won't get PC joystick ports....they suck if you ask me
Plush     |Ecyrd: I used it mostly to make a skeleton, the input handling 
          |was rewritten anyway
TheCat_   |multimedia should include MIDI
TRue      |I understand legacy will go but that doesn't mean the community 
          |must
Ecyrd     |Oh, BTW, have you noticed that the Amiga RC5 Team Effort just 
          |passed the Windows team and is now sixth overall?
AmigaMMC  |TRue: no, of course, the community must not.
Delta     |yes!!!!!
d9090     |TRue  If this thing works out, the existing user community 1) be 
          |dwarfed, and 2) be on novel ground along with everyone else.
AmigaMMC  |Ecyrd: Hooray!
Delta     |If at least we could remove those MAC snobs from 1st place :(
TRue      |Correct, there is much for the community to productively do and 
          |earn.
Delta     |There is no more honor in having a MAC...being a part of Bill 
          |Gates plan...yuck!
AmigaMMC  |d9090: I take choice number 2
Opus      |bill gates invested in mac so he does not have a monopoly
Delta     |heh...plans of a mad man
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TRue      |It's a whole new bread of computing, one where the user feedback 
          |loop can be open and highly productive in feedback, causing 
          |products to evolve in power faster than traditional (no-open 
          |feedback loop)
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d9090     |AmigaMMC  wasn't really a choice.  If AmigaInc fails, its pretty 
          |much just the existing user base .. but with some neat new toys 
          |for a while. :-))
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Delta     |I'm gonna sell hundreds of those new miggys
Delta     |I hope :)
AmigaMMC  |d9090: They are doing their best for not failing. 14 plans. GW is 
          |looking for the top spot, not for a bankruptcy
TRue      |It's clear that new technology will be quickly followed by the 
          |competition. We need omething better, user/community direction, 
          |sales force and support - one on one.
scuz      |TRue: and no negitivity.
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AmigaMMC  |scuz: Exactly, there's too many negative people here when they 
          |don't know more than 1% of the plan.
TRue      |The Amiga being as versatile as it is can make it into many more 
          |specific fields and markets but only if the specific and field 
          |support is there. Where else to better get it than the community?
AcE       |Any news from Ainc?
AmigaMMC  |AcE: Yes, it's been sold to Microsoft.
d9090     |AmigaMMC  Agree.. but I don't think this touches Gateway one way 
          |or the other.. except for profits.. unless they gettheir feet wet 
          |in public and identify themselves as an Amiga company.
scuz      |AmigaMMC: would they be more positive if they knew the entire 
          |plan?
AmigaMMC  |;-)
AcE       |ROTFL :)
TRue      |scuz: thumbs up!
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AmigaMMC  |d9090: They spend around $40 M. Isn't that enough money?
Opus      |gw2k will be involved, with the PCI cards I bet
JT        |hi, folks! something worth to know?
Delta     |I have no worries about "Gateway's wallet"  :)
AmigaMMC  |scuz: probably :-) Hopefully
StriderSR |ibm want buy GW, is that true?
Delta     |wanting and doing is different :)
scuz      |IBM would guarantee that the next-gen Amiga is driven by a 
          |PowerPC chip.
AmigaMMC  |Scuz: after all Joe gave a 10 out of 10 for the new plan.
TRue      |d9090: it doesn't have to be GW but AI.
AmigaMMC  |Strider: just a rumor.
scuz      |AmigaMMC: do you trust Joe?
Delta     |I am waiting the day when AOL will tell ICQ users:  no you need 
          |to pay to use it ;)
AmigaMMC  |scuz: very much
d9090     |More like $14million according to CMPTech's article, and then the 
          |AI budget.. but they're a multibillion dollar company with.
scuz      |AmigaMMC: what's the difference between Joe and Petro?
Plush     |heh... amiga rc5 is ~400 kkeys above win32 ..
AmigaMMC  |Delta: that's gonna suck. I hate AOL already, even without having 
          |to pay for ICQ. Their system is for clueless comp users
Delta     |gr8...I install my PPC in 2 days and I join the RC5 :)
d9090     |TRue  I know that.. but GW was referenced and keeps getting 
          |referenced where it's not relevant.
DrFraggle |RC5 crashes on my 060 :(
Delta     |AMigaMMC: yeah, they are plain good for aunties, that's it
Plush     |I got my pII 300 munching keys for it already
AmigaMMC  |scuz: Petro is a salesman, Joe an engineer. One is a 
          |promise-maker the other is a scientific person (and a businessman)
JT        |it's difficult to understand what's joke and what's seriuos today 
          |(if there was anything seriuos by now...)
DrFraggle |for what ever reason
Opus      |win is for clueless users
Cleese    |Is there anyone with an A500 that could check what wires from the 
          |keyboard go where on the MB KB-connector!? pretty please with 
          |sugar on top... ;)
AmigaMMC  |d9090: I wouldn't bet a penny on that article.
AmigaMMC  |d9090: real Prices are never revealed, care for an example?
scuz      |AmigaMMC: will the Amiga II be able to break the self-amplifying 
          |software-creates-user-base-creates-software circle of the Windows 
          |platform?
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Delta     |JT: tip#1: never trust what is said on a non-moderated channel
Plush     |Clese: are you trying to atach an external keyboard?
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AcE       |news were annouced. Really no news from Ainc.?
Cleese    |plush: nope, and old internal keyboard with the connector 
          |missing.. just loose wires..
d9090     |Haynie told me $4 mill some time back.. could be a typo.. there's 
          |a four in there somewhere tho.. :-)  But 14 or 40 is trivial..
scuz      |AcE: are you surprised?
JT        |Delta: really? and I belived it's all true!!
TRue      |Joe anDelta: it's best not to trust anything unless there is 
          |verification to back it up.
Delta     |JT: hahaha...read cucug instead, its a bit better ;)
TRue      |Oops, should read "Delta"
Delta     |True: true
Delta     |;)
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JT        |True: I don't know if it's worth trusting AI, too....
AmigaMMC  |scuz: I don't think even a chip powered by black magic could do 
          |that.
AcE       |scuz: I had hope ;)
d9090     |AmigaMMC  .. and the article was one of the better ones from 
          |outside the amiga community.  They contacted Bill McEwen, for one.
AmigaMMC  |:-)
scuz      |AmigaMMC: so the Amiga II is doomed?
d9090     |Or he contected them..
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JT        |Delta: cucug it's one of my fovourites, every day!
AmigaMMC  |AcE: News were announced, but not from AI.
Delta     |me too
Delta     |:)
TRue      |JT: we need to do what we can to be sure.
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AcE       |AmigaMMC: What for news?
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AmigaMMC  |d9090: Escom bought Amiga (all the package) for $40 millions, so 
          |I don't see why they GW would have had such a great price.
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redteo    |ibm want buy GW, is that true?
Delta     |but there was a big discount on dying computer companies last 
          |year ;)
redteo    |wanting and doing is different :)
redteo    |IBM would guarantee that the next-gen Amiga is driven by a 
          |PowerPC chip.
redteo    |Scuz: after all Joe gave a 10 out of 10 for the new plan.
redteo    |d9090: it doesn't have to be GW but AI.
redteo    |Strider: just a rumor.
redteo    |AmigaMMC: do you trust Joe?
redteo    |I am waiting the day when AOL will tell ICQ users:  no you need 
          |to pay to use it ;)
redteo    |scuz: very much
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AmigaMMC  |scus; Yes, doomed to become a standard.  :-)
Delta     |clipboard attack
d9090     |AmigaMMC.. because it was an auction and that was the best price 
          |offered..
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AmigaMMC  |d9090: Disney official announced that the Roller Coaster Space 
          |Mountain in Paris costed $100 Millions. Care to know the real 
          |price?
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d9090     |AmigaMMC  .. thanks for clearing up where that $40mill number 
          |comes from.
JT        |nobody told me what's really going on there... if there is 
          |anything going on...
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d9090     |AmigaMMC  mmmmmm, okay, but relevance?
Tybor     |ICQ..... there's a GNU port of it
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          |is bad news).
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          |for today - Remember Yesterday - Plan for tomorrow"  -  Peking 
          |Noodle Co.).
Plush     |aFrance scored
Delta     |bbl
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AmigaMMC  |AcE: I meant: someone said "news will be announced by AI" but 
          |it's not AI who said that so we shouldn not have expected 
          |anything.
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beezo     |the next gen cpu for the "next gen amiga" is for sure ibm/hp
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AcE       |AmigaMMC: Right!
AmigaMMC  |AcE: sorry, that was a repoly to an old question...
Tybor     |... technical questions
Tybor     |.. where can I obtain a complete log of this channel (from friday 
          |to sunday)?
AmigaMMC  |beezo: yeah right!
pekr      |any conclusion to the show? (I was not online for two days) thnx
d9090     |Tybor  a masochist, eh?  :-)
beezo     |amigaMMC, im serious, its some new cpu that uses multiple lasers 
          |and glass, its REALLY REALLY new technology
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JT        |AMIGAMMC: this weekend it was said to be a BIG ANNOUNCEMENT, more 
          |than a month ago...
StriderSR |yep, from UFO of coz ;))
Tybor     |d9090: I need it to translate it in italian.... I'm writing for 
          |an italian amiga web magazine
Nixon^99  |when was/is the banquett?
Tybor     |d9090: AmyWorld http://amiga.eden.it/
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Tybor     |d9090: I'm the "PovRay" guy
JT        |tybor: saw you at IPISA?
d9090     |Tybor  lots of reading.. very little info I'm afraid.  But I see 
          |where you're coming from..
AmigaMMC  |JT: depend on what you consider for big annoucement. The only 
          |thing they were supposed to announce was the choice of the 
          |kernal. But since I don't program, and since the kernal is only 
          |temporary, I don't care very much.
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AmigaMMC  |tybor: I can translate italian.
JT        |AmigaMMC: so... have they decidec or not???
pekr      |so, the kernel, was it announced what's the choice?
Tybor     |AmigaMMC: oh, thanks! Do you want to join the crew?
AmigaMMC  |pekr: don't think it was announced. But I would bet for Java.
redteo    |amigammc sei italiano?
AmigaMMC  |redteo: Si
redteo    |che notizie ci sono?
arnold    |is there any program, that can run the dctv, or grab the data 
          |from it's memory?
JT        |redteo & amigammc: anch'io, almeno di importazione. Sembra che 
          |siamo in tanti oggi...
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Opus      |YG!
YounGoat  |Hi Opus! =]
beezo     |no one cares about REBOL
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AmigaMMC  |For italian chat join me on #MMC2
Tybor     |italian speaking people here: join #AmiWestITA
JT        |robol or java, they are not fast like a BeOs, i bet...
redteo    |italiani: come mai non siete anche su #amigaita
Plush     |TRue: c'mon... how stupid would be that
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pekr      |was allan havemose present at AmiWest, or just only Bill?
Plush     |write the kernel in a stuypid scripting language and it's going 
          |to be slower than winblowz
TRue      |Plush: I don't know enough about Rebol to make a conclusion, and 
          |I was only stating what Carl thoughts are.
redteo    |tybor: ho joinato non ci sei
d9090     |TRue  Neither RebOS or a Rebol kernal exist.
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TRue      |pekr: Alan was/is not there as far as I know. Something about 
          |working on code.
pekr      |plush: kernel in scripting language? :-) hehe
Plush     |TRue: get real man and switch your thinking part of brain on
taza      |Well Carl did say that Rebol is now into the Beta Stage...
taza      |So, we shall see...
pekr      |d9090: I am a rebol tester, but AFAIK, rebol kernel doesn't stand 
          |for typical OS AI wants (IMHO)
taza      |Much like the kernal decision...
taza      |Another 30 days they say....
taza      |:)
Tybor     |are there anyone from AI now?
JT        |taza: it was 30 day last time...
redteo    |italiani: come mai non siete anche su #amiwestita
pekr      |could anyone provide me with Carl's IRC session log? thnx
taza      |JT: Yes, but this is a NEW 30 day countdown... ;)
taza      |JT: Wait... wait... wait...
d9090     |pekr  otay.. I was just the guy with the logo idea.  I assume 
          |some sort of kernel is in the works since REBOL is sort of a 
          |scaledown from the original idea as I understood it.
taza      |JT: After all it's only another 2 years until a new machine... ;)
TRue      |Plush: Plush: Ok, I got a tarot deck in front of me.
taza      |JT: What's another 30 days for the kernal ?
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Plush     |TRue: get a fresh deck of them then ;)
d9090     |taza  17 months, 2 days, 6 hours, 22 minutes.. :-)
TRue      |Plush: your not using your deck, otherwise you would know it's 
          |fresh.
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pekr      |d9090: I think Carl is oriented on bringing us scripting and 
          |messaging language than kernel for yet-another OS
TRue      |;)
JT        |taza: every 30 days they announce ather 30 days for a decision...
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taza      |JT: And ?
redteo    |italiani: come mai non siete anche su #amiwestita
Opus      |grrr, what's the server for amiwest?
taza      |JT: What difference does it make ?
Plush     |BBack to watching the world cup...
TRue      |pekr: and if I get some help, we'll be about to better auto code 
          |rebol apps. :)
JT        |taza: and.... nothing.... seems
pekr      |As Carl told me, AInc. is looking for more "typical" Os kernel, 
          |but the day will come, when they will realize, why they need 
          |REBOL with new OS
taza      |Hmmmm....
Opus      |phuck off
d9090     |pekr  when we talked on the phone, a crossplatform OS was 
          |mentioned, too.  But mostly we talked about the logo, website and 
          |Commdore.
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pekr      |true: I wanted to contact you because of your IQ AREXX command, 
          |but you know - pressed for the time :-)
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Tybor     |are there anyone from AI?
TRue      |pekr: that's what auto-coding will do. Give more time to focus on 
          |things other than dos', don'ts' and standard being followed. :)
pekr      |d9090: we (czech testers) offered him "upgraded" logo - REBOL 
          |with shadow, where the "O" char shadow appears to be "E" char, so 
          |- REBEL
taza      |Tybor: Yep and they have nothing to say for the next 30 days... 
          |Enjoy your Amiga... ;)
pekr      |true: I would need more detailed info, what the code is doing to 
          |be able to write it in REBOL
Tybor     |taza: really? Nothing to tell us?
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TRue      |pekr: have you gotten IQ v0.3 and the rexxtricks.iq file from my 
          |web page?
d9090     |pekr  What Carl is using now is his take on what I showed him, so 
          |what he's using is an "upgrade" of sorts anyway.
taza      |Tybor: Yes, what did you REALLY expect ?
TRue      |pekr: IQ is not language specific. It can handle any language.
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CyberWolf |just for info France:Brasil 2:0
pekr      |true: not yet, but just only source code is not enough for me - 
          |not have enough free time to study it - need some description ...
Tybor     |taza: for example which kernel they'll use for AmigaOS 4.0
Zer0      |Anyone:Know anything about the announcement?
TRue      |pekr: IQ v0.3 works
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pekr      |what the heck was REALLY said at AmiWest? Wait another mont????
taza      |Typbor: Wait for another 30 day countdown... ;)
«Nick»    |Plush is now known as False.
Tybor     |taza: .... aaargh 8-o
False     |let's rock! ;)
pekr      |Why Jeff was not there? Maybe writing down contract with 
          |Microsoft :-)
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d9090     |pekr.. doing contracts is the word.. hopefully not with MS.
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taza      |Tybor: Hey, They cannot even answer SIMPLE questions....
pekr      |d9090: you know - my english :-)
taza      |Tybor: That's on amiwest98, that is....
d9090     |pekr  Not your english.. its the word from the IRC last night.
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d9090     |pekr  Jeff is working on contract.. Dr. Allan is programming.. 
          |Joe Torres is.. dunno.
NiteFlite |France is kicking some ass eh?
Zer0      |What has been said at Amiwestta? Fr 2 Br 0 WC scores.
Zer0      |Didn´t read CyberWolfs comment.
AmigaMMC  |The result of Paris-Brazil will be put under NDA until the Wolrd 
          |Cup organizers receive a phone call.
TRue      |:)
Zer0      |: -D
VideoTeck |heh
CyberWolf |AmigaMMC: ROFTL
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VideoTeck |paris ? *lol*
d9090     |AmigaMMC  and the ppl at the stadium are being told to keep it 
          |among themselves..
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taza      |MMC: If AI ran the show, we would find out just in time for the 
          |Next World Cup... ;)
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d9090     |if you have Paris, who needs the rest of France?  :-)
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taza      |MMC: Maybe... ;)
AmigaMMC  |VideoTeck: France, Paris, same thing, they all come from there... 
          |:-p
taza      |Bah...
AmigaMMC  |d9090: they're busy signing NDA's too. ;-)
VideoTeck |amigaMMC: yeye whatever ;)
taza      |Fuck.......
taza      |Why EVEN ask questions if you not gonna get answers....
AmigaMMC  |d9090: Evrybody signs NDA'a nowadays... it's a new trend.
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d9090     |taza  what questions?
«Nick»    |False is now known as MrFloppy.
taza      |France or Brazil...?
taza      |He goes Germany....
taza      |Doh !
taza      |I don't see it in the choices, do you ?
AmigaMMC  |un petit peu d'humour...
Zer0      |NDA´s are inn Cunsumer information OUT
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AmigaMMC  |taza: what was your question?
taza      |Bah... The should call the amiwest98 amiNDA98...
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d9090     |taza  I was gonna say IRELAND, but thought better of it.  Good 
          |thing, eh?
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taza      |d90: Whatever...
TRue      |taza: :)
taza      |d90: I've yet to find out ANYTHING about his impressions of the 
          |show either....
VideoTeck |I wonder is there some .fr here ? :)
d9090     |taza.  he being..?
«CTCP»    |Got PING request from Jkay [to #amiwest98].
taza      |d90: Bob at the amiwest show...
DFDuck    |Just about 1:pm. About time for Kermit anyway.
AmigaMMC  |Taza: France 2-0
taza      |Oui, je sais...
taza      |I have The Sport's Network running the background...
d9090     |taza  yeah, that's pretty non- er, consequential stuff going 
          |there..
d9090     |and Bob has left the building..
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AmigaMMC  |VideoTeck: Plenty of french yesterday
taza      |d90 Was he EVER there, expect to promote HIS show ???????
VideoTeck |AmigaMMC: I guess all is infront of a tv today :]
Zer0      |who´s Bob? That big lizard in Dilbert running around janking ppl 
          |in their underwear?
MrFloppy  |I say let's go to the love parade ;)
MrFloppy  |or it's too late?
d9090     |VideoTeck  yeah, about to watch "The Craft".. great video I 
          |hear..  soccer?  bleeh.. real football in "another two weeks".. 
          | :-)
AmigaMMC  |VideoTeck: Not me, I'm in front of a monitor... ;-) My roommate 
          |is watching ESPN, though.
VideoTeck |AmigaMMC: hehe
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d9090     |Zer0  Bob Schapf from Gateway Amiga show, user group.
d9090     |er.. Scharp
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Zer0      |d9090: OK good for the showgoers it´s not Dilbert bob.
taza      |Toffel: he does MUGS... Happy ?
taza      |;)
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Zer0      |Can ANYONE tell me some good news regarding the Amiga, please?
d9090     |MMC -> MMR -> MUGS .. could be..
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taza      |Zero: Wait for another 30 day countdown... ;)
taza      |Zero: There MAY be news then...
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Zer0      |taza: Ohh!!! THAT IS GOOD NEWS! just what I wanted!
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taza      |Zero: Yep, and I am going to put a load in my washer now... ;)
Zer0      |taza:You know what? I REALLY needed to know that!
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d9090     |Eric_75  Go France!
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GKnight   |Is someone keeping a collection of all the pics taken with the 
          |Webcam ? / going to make them available after the show & cam 
          |closes down ?
Eric_75   |d9090:YYeees!! :-)
redteo    |any news about annuncement
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Locutus   |anything happening inhere?
Inkognita |here I am
Inkognita |Luca, dove sei?
d9090     |eh.. not much happening here.  sory
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d9090     |aka, "sorry".
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AmigaMMC  |Italian are welcome on #amiwestita
Inkognita |Luca...where are you ?Which is your nick?
Inkognita |thanks
Locutus   |ahh, i'll go back to #Amiwest98 then
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Zer0      |By, going to work now :-(
NiteFlite |What a save.
Inkognita |Poor Ronaldo...
VideoTeck |heh bob really like to talk about item's :) *lol*
Eric_75   |yeah Barthez :-)
NiteFlite |Brazil is asleep.
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taza      |Brazil is gonna lose...
ginger    |yip
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Inkognita |what a pityu
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Inkognita |such a shame
ginger    |wait a minute though
ginger    |They might get *a* goal!
ginger    |They've certainly given away a few!
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ginger    |hello?
d9090     |ya?
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ginger    |nein
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GKnight   |that was close..
DFDuck    |Sounds like the biggest thing at the show was selling non 
          |computer related products; shirts, pings, mugs. Not really what I 
          |was hoping for. No real Ami news, no new hardware intruduced, no 
          |exciting software introduced. 
d9090     |Finally an amazing amiga guide.. after all these years.. I'll 
          |reup for that.
NiteFlite |d9090:  How big do you expect that Guide to be?
d9090     |NiteFlite   *BIG*  ;-)
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NiteFlite |d9090:  Oh so an extra 10 pages for the 46 he usually puts out?
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d9090     |NiteFlite  if that.. :-/  About the only thing I read in Amazing, 
          |Informer, etc, that I don't already know from off the net is the 
          |advertising.
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Zeqk      |any groundbreaking announcements that i missed?
AmigaMMC  |Time to go for me... Take care and see you all for the BIG news 
          |at Cologne '98
AmigaMMC  |If AI gets the phone call. ;-)
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AmigaMMC  |Hi pOMAC....and goodbye, I'm leaving
pOMAc     |Cu AmigaMMC =)
Chas      |Newcomer here. Any news from the show?
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Zeqk      |AmigaMMC: The phone call?
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taza      |Chas: Wait for another 30 day countdown... ;)
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Chas      |30 days? Oh, bother. Thanks, Taza
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taza      |Chas: ANY time... ;)
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taza      |join #amiwest98 for more info...
Chas      |Will do! Thanks.
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Wendell   |Hello everybody.
Wendell   |I thought Kermit Woodall was supposed to be here?
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CyberWolf |Kermit Woodall is at #amiwest98
Wendell   |Thanks CyberWolf
d9090     |Wendell  try #amiwest98  heebeedare
CyberWolf |Kermit Woodall is at #amiwest98 right now
Wendell   |Ok, I'm on #amiwest98. thanks all
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Wendell   |Is the AmiWest cam pics working? WebTV reports "file not found"
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DFDuck    |I still have the same pic of Bob holding an Amiga mug. Been that 
          |way awhile.
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Wendell   |Is is suppose to be /webcam/cam.jpg ?
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d9090     |Kermit Kool is on the screen at www.amiga.org/webcam/cam.jpg
d9090     |with the current time.. there.. 1:45PM
DFDuck    |Hmph. Mine isn't updating. Still the mug pic. ¦(
Tolkien   |Hi Amigans! any News?
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taza      |Tol: Just wait another 30 Days... ;)
Wendell   |Arg. I still get "file not found" :-(
DFDuck    |There. I closed the webtv screen and reopened it. Now I've got 
          |the new pics coming in again.
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DFDuck    |Wendell: Browswer or WebTV?
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Wendell   |DFDuck: WebTV
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DFDuck    |http://www.amiga.org/webcam/cam.jpg    webtv  server: 
          |www.amiga.org   filename /webcam/cam.jpg    (be sure to have the 
          |leading /)
Wendell   |Opps. I had www.cucug.org!
Wendell   |It's working now!
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DFDuck    |¦)
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johnh     |SteveK: are you still working on that GUI dev tool?
Eric_75   |France : 3     Brazil : 0
NiteFlite |France hahaha.
jon3T     |yeah
pOMAc     |Hiya DFDuck =)
SteveK    |johnh: I was never working on a GUI dev tool
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DFDuck    |Hey Pomac
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taza      |It's over... ;)
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Eric_75   |Beer please ! :-)
TransWarp |Eric: Congratulations!
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Eric_75   |Trnaswarp: thancks thancks !! :-)) tuuuuutttt!! pouetttttt!
Eric_75   |drelin drelin ! drinnggg!
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TransWarp |Eric: Trnaswarp? Too much beer already? :)
CyberWolf |5kg of Gold 4 France :-)
taza      |France Wins...
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DFDuck    |Pomac: I've been logging since 10:am (our time) on both channels. 
          |Have 14 hour logs from yesterday.
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Eric_75   |TransWarp :emotion :-)
pOMAc     |DFDuck: DAMN =), thats allot =)
taza      |Poca: And DFDuck still has NO NEWS to report... ;)
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TransWarp |Talkin' bout news: Who's that guy with the sunglasses?
pOMAc     |taza: poca = Pomac? =)
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pOMAc     |TransWarp: Kermit Afaik
Eric_75   |plop!
Eric_75   |Champagne!
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DFDuck    |Pomac: And a couple meg of cam pics stored away too. I'll pack 
          |some of this up and send it to the local users group.. though I'm 
          |not a member.
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pOMAc     |DFDuck: =) Ok, Thats good =)
TransWarp |And he's looking at the MMC prototype or what? :)
DFDuck    |man I can imagine is rather warm down in Sac. I'm about 85 miles 
          |north by north east of it and its about 90°F here in the 
          |mountains.
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LowLevel  |So, any news? Did Bill say something interesting today?
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Romaz     |hi to all
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JoeG      |Hi all, anything new?
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TransWarp |Fascinating. More than 40 guys in here, and nobody talking...
taza      |for Miami Deluxe News... August Release, $30US upgrade....
taza      |Trans: It's moderated now...
johnh     |Was Index (or Access Innov.) at the show?
TransWarp |Alrighty then.
Cleese    |Is there anyone with an A500 that could check what wires from the 
          |keyboard go where on the MB KB-connector!? pretty please with 
          |sugar on top... ;)
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Arvid     |Cleese: ah my A500 is buttoned up, but I can read the stuff out 
          |of the book to youy
Arvid     |you
Cleese    |arvid: would be great!
TransWarp |taza: Do you know anything about an upgrade for registered 
          |PPP.device users?
Cleese    |arvid: though, I need the colors of the wires, and where they 
          |should go on the connector...
Arvid     |Cleese: ummm
taza      |Trans: /msg Jkay ?
taza      |Trans: And ask...
TransWarp |taza: Just thought you might know...
taza      |Old Alliance's stick through.... ;)
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pOMAc     |TransWarp: www.nordicglobal.com
taza      |Trans: Know what ?
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TransWarp |taza: If there was an upgrade path.
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taza      |Trans: To Miami or Miami Delxue ?
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DFDuck    |BF
TransWarp |taza: To Miami Deluxe. Got AmiTCP already.
DFDuck    |BF: If you're not on #amiwest98 Holger is on there talking about 
          |Miami Deluxe.
BF        |hi all, DFD
taza      |Trans: I will ask...
TransWarp |taza: Thanx!
BF        |DFD: thanks :)
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Arvid     |Cleese: pin1 _kbdata pin2 _kbclock pin3 _kbreset pin4 +5 v (VCC) 
          |pin5 key (no pin) pin6  ground (black) pin7 status pin8 inuse
Aran      |All: What news from amiwest?
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Cleese    |arvid: ok, I'd need the colors, but that's a bit on the way :) 
          |thx!
MSkov     |so?
Arvid     |Cleese ok
Aran      |All: What news from amiwest?
Aran      |All: What news from amiwest?
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taza      |Trans: Done..
Aran      |All: What news from amiwest?
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TransWarp |taza: Seen it. :)
taza      |Aran: Just wait another 30 days for more announcements... ;)
Aran      |Ciao Poing!
TransWarp |Aran: We're all waiting...
Aran      |What? other 30 days?
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MSkov     |they were supposed to make some major announcement again, right?
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TransWarp |taza: Thanks for asking. I've already seen the answer!
taza      |Aran: Yes, you have a PROBLEM with that ?
TransWarp |Aran: Don't say that...
Aran      |taza: Yes!!!!
taza      |Aran: Fine, take it up with AI then and NOT US... ;)
DFDuck    |Give a kid a control character and he'l abuse it..
BF        |hehe
TransWarp |No need to be that harsh... ;)
MSkov     |still :) : they were supposed to make some major announcement 
          |again, right?
DFDuck    |¦)
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Aran      |What is the situation in the US?
TransWarp |MacUser: MacUser?
taza      |Aran: They didn't win the World Cup... ;)
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taza      |Aran: It's HOT...
Aran      |taza : hahahahahah!
MacUser   |Don't mind me. I'm spying...
taza      |Mac: Spying on what ?
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taza      |Mac: What is there to SPY on ?
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DFDuck    |How hot is it in Sac today? I'm 85 miles north by north east of 
          |there and its 90°F here in the mountains.
MacUser   |See what this Omega stuff is about...
TransWarp |MacUser: No problem. You're welcome.
taza      |Mac: That's like spying on WIN '99....
sadams    |taza: don't give it away!!
MSkov     |taxa: me! I'm quite importent, y' know! :)
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taza      |Mac: Come back in 30 Days...
MSkov     |that would be Taza, not taxa
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sadams    |Oh no, we've got Crap!
sadams    |:)
MacUser   |taza: what's in 30 days?
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taza      |Mac: Maybe Nothing, Maybe Everything, atm things are NOT 
          |changing....
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sadams    |MacUser: Tune in and find out!
DFDuck    |How hot in Sac today? Last night news expected over 100.
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taza      |Mac: What's NEW with you ?
sadams    |MacUser: Like us! :)
MacUser   |taza: OS8.5 alpha...
taza      |Mac: You are running a G3 8.2 Mac ?
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taza      |Mac: On a G3 ?
sadams    |d9090?
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taza      |Mac: What do you do with YOUR Mac ? Video ? Games ? Developer ?
MacUser   |G3 266
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sadams    |d9090: I wanted to send questions on AmiWEST98, but kept getting 
          |errors!
MacUser   |taza: web stuff, educational support for university
sadams    |d9090: How do I do it, exactly?
DFDuck    |sadams: /msg Jkay ?    to get on the question que
sadams    |kept getting a request for a "nick" :*
taza      |Mac: So HTML with PageMill, Resedit ?
jon3T     |41.7C in dallas
MacUser   |taza: MacMAME is a blast!
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d9090     |sadams  sorry  I fell asleep..  haven't tried yet so don't know.  
          |I'm a newbie.
MacUser   |taza: use MacroMedia DreamWeaver for html stuff
sadams    |d9090: I think i've tried that
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          |guess I'm going to bed now -:)))).
al^Thor   |what's up guys
taza      |Mac: Ah, you don't find the need to fine tune it at all ?
sadams    |d9090: but not too sure, seeing I tried so many different 
          |variences!
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DFDuck    |I use CygnusEd to write html. Never tried it any other way.
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taza      |Mac: Have you ONLY got the MAC or do you also use PCs/Amigas ?
MacUser   |taza: I learned html first, about 2 years ago, but it's way 
          |faster to use an app.
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Exploderi |html generators tend to produce rather ugly stuff
sadams    |Mac: How can u live with a 1 button mouse?
BF        |DFD: Real Web Designer never use HTML tools anyway... :)
MacUser   |taza: I prefer Amiga's actually...we have a A2000/toaster setup 
          |at work...
DFDuck    |BF: I thought CED "was" an html tool ¦)
sadams    |Mac: That's the ol' pepper boy!
MacUser   |sadams: the other mouse buttons are stuck on the keyboard  ;^)
d9090     |sadams  I just tried  "/msg JKay ?"  and a -> *JKay* ? is now on 
          |the screen and I'm on the queue.  But I don't have any questions? 
          | :-(
BF        |DFD: It is
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sadams    |d9090: HAHAHAHA :)
sadams    |d9090: Thx for stikin' ur neck out!
d9090     |haha.. so funny  ;-)  It was a trick wasn't it?
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MacUser   |So, anyone from Amiga inc online?
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sadams    |d9090: NO! Seriously. I wanted to ask both Kermit & Bob somthing, 
          |but couldn't get through!
taza      |sadams: What did you want to ask ?
sadams    |d9090: This Miami guy i could care less about, that's why i'm 
          |here ;)
taza      |sadams: Don't know how to type /msg jkay ?
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taza      |Mitch: WB from ?
sadams    |Kermit: When will PPC Port be released, if ever?
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Mitchman  |friend's house, watching the game
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d9090     |well that was the ticket  /msg Jkay ?    JKay just took me off 
          |the list by request.
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Mitchman  |what conf is up now?
sadams    |Bob: How close is the new location for Gateway '99 in relation to 
          |Gateway '98
MacUser   |sadams: Amiga has gone PPC?
Kyosuke_  |news ?????????'
sadams    |Mac: It's available for those who can afford it! :)
taza      |Mac: Visit www.phase5.de
d9090     |I gotta go.. county fair time.. bye..
sadams    |Mac: :)
taza      |Mac: They also make MAC Stuff..0.
sadams    |seeya d9090!
sadams    |thx!
MacUser   |sadams: A G3 at 233 card can be had for Mac $499
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d9090     |If Jeff Shindler show up will a major news announcement tell him 
          |to wait til I get back in "another two weeks".. Otay?
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sadams    |Mac: With onboard SCSI3?
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MacUser   |sadams: nope...most Macs have scsi2 internal...
sadams    |Mac: And space for 128 Megs of RAM?
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MacUser   |sadams: nope most Macs have plenty of RAM slots, (mine has 196mb)
Riley     |ah, we have a Mac user here...nice :)
al^Thor   |So basically, there
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Ratleto   |re
al^Thor   |'s been nada nilll and zip news?
Dion      |hiya ppl, has there been any big/interesting news?
MacUser   |Riley: Just ease dropping...
sadams    |Mac: Seeing ur here with us, I just started wonderin'...
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Ratleto   |still nothing new?
Riley     |macuser: all non-windows users are welcome ;-))
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MacUser   |sadams: My wife actually has an Amiga 1200!
sadams    |Mac: Think you could send me a ROM image of your OS Kernal so 
          |that I may emulate a Mac on my Miggy?
MacUser   |Riley: there is the 68k connection!
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MacUser   |sadams: Uhhh, that would be a bad idea.
sadams    |Mac: Kiss your wife on the cheek for me :)
MacUser   |sadams: current mac ROMs are 4 megs in size!
sadams    |Mac: Didn't hurt to ask :)
Riley     |macuser: i guess 68k is now officially history...
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MSkov     |ok, where to find pics from Amiwest?
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Stevey_P  |Wheres the Amiwest WebCam located?
Stevey_P  |I mean HTTP: wise
sadams    |MSk: www.amiga.org/webcam/cam.jpg
MacUser   |Riley: yep, the newest OS release (8.5) won't support 68k
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sadams    |Mac: Acually, my Zip could handle that :)
Riley     |macuser: yep, and 68k won't be in Amiga's future plans either
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MacUser   |Riley: Porting to PPC?
Riley     |macuser: nope, to a whole new "superchip"
MacUser   |sadams: can the emulator handle 4 meg ROM's?
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MacUser   |taza: I'll go see, back later can't multitask like you guys  :-(
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MSkov     |how often do they update the picture?
Riley     |mskov: it should be 30 sec, i think
DFDuck    |I think so ya.
DFDuck    |Hey Rebbi
MSkov     |ok... thx... so to sum up: Chip called Multimedia RISC and we'll 
          |be back in August, or?
LordCyber |Anything big happen at AmiWest ???
Rebbi     |DFD: Howdy.  I've been offline all afternoon.... any interesting 
          |Amiwest news?
Arvid     |..
Riley     |no news no news no news
ActiveLow |what's the next show?
Rebbi     |Riley: :-//
DFDuck    |Rebbi: Not a lot of news no. But Holger is on #amiwest98 right 
          |now talking about Mimai Deluxe.
Riley     |Midwest show in the beginning of October is the next major event 
          |i think
Rebbi     |DFD: yeah, nice pics of him on webcam.
Riley     |he's forgot to keep typing, though
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Rebbi     |the guy's some kind of genius
Stevey_P  |Tell them to turn the camera arund I wanna see Miami Deluxe not 
          |Holger %-)
DFDuck    |I had my cam going yesterday.. pretty boring though, me sitting 
          |here staring at my computer screen all day. But I logged 14 hours 
          |of yack.
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taza      |Steve: August.
Riley     |oh dear...
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Riley     |btw, is that Multimedia Risc chip really the official name for 
          |it?
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DFDuck    |Thats what was said last night ya. But no specs because the chip 
          |doesn't exist.
Riley     |dfduck: who said?
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DFDuck    |Uhh... That I can't remember. I was here 14 hours. Don't remember 
          |who said what.. but I've got logs
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Riley     |dfduck: noooo....no logs pleaase ;-))
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DFDuck    |Seems it was Commando (Halverson) that relayed it to irc.
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DFDuck    |Riley: Saved logs for all my friends that couldn't or don't know 
          |how to get here. Going to edit it downa nd give it and cam pics 
          |to the local user group (that I dont' belong to).
Riley     |i guess i won't get results if i enter the name in a search 
          |engine...
MacUser   |Back from Phaze 5 web page...Cool stuff.  The PPC cars is like 
          |replacing the motherboard with scsi, ram and video on one card...
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Riley     |macuser: i have a P5 PPC-card in my Amiga
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F308gt4   |lo ALL
MacUser   |Riley: have you purchased the graphics card yet?
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F308gt4   |anyone here?
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F308gt4   |hi bovos
Riley     |macuser: i will as soon as it comes out (the one for A1200 that 
          |is)
F308gt4   |ALL: any news from the show?
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taza      |mac: You could upgrade THAT 1200 to PPC and Permedia2 Card... :)
Riley     |no news
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MacUser   |Riley: There is PPC stuff for 1200 too...coooool!  I will tell my 
          |wife!
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Riley     |macuser: hehe, you do that ;-)
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F308gt4   |ALL: has anyone tried MacOS 8 on Amiga?
F308gt4   |hi Wedgie
taza      |F3: Works with Fusion...
F308gt4   |hi Wendell
F308gt4   |taza: any good?
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taza      |F3: Works with Fusion...
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taza      |F3: It works, just like a Real MAC...
magnocks  |is there really a show or is this a huge hoax to see how many 
          |amigans can be lured onto irc?
taza      |F3: Mind you there are NO 68060 MACS... ;)
Riley     |magnocks: good question
taza      |F3: Except as Amigas emulating MACS...
F308gt4   |taza: cool... I can get OS8 for £30... now to get the roms :(
MacUser   |taza: Superceded by PPC
taza      |MAC: Not here...
Eric_75   |F308gt4 :I use FUsion 3.1 with Mac OS 8.1 (A2000 Blizard2040/40 + 
          |Pi IV)
F308gt4   |taza: I have an 040
taza      |MAC: Our OS can run 68060 and MAC OS 8.x ... :)
F308gt4   |Eric_75: is it fast?
Wendell   |Hi F308
taza      |MAC: At the SAME TIME... :)
MacUser   |taza: shouldn't be able to do that with out a rewrite of the 
          |ROMs...
Eric_75   |F308gt4 :Yes. A little more fast than Quadra 900
MacUser   |Mac Roms
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taza      |Mac: Well, get your wife an 060 for her 1200 and see for 
          |yourself... :)
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MacUser   |taza: ok. she has a bday shortly...
F308gt4   |Eric_75: can you run Java on there?
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F308gt4   |Mitchman: hi
F308gt4   |CyborJim: hi
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F308gt4   |MiMe:
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F308gt4   |MiMe: hi
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MiMe      |hi. finally it worked.
MacUser   |I think I'll shut down and go play with that 1200 and see what 
          |it's all about  ;^)
Riley     |:)
MacUser   |Bye!
Riley     |bye
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F308gt4   |bye MacUser
sadams    |Mac: u do that & don't forget to visit us afterwards!
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Exploderi |3/wi Exploderi
Exploderi |oops ;)
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sadams    |He'll be back!
Exploderi |just wondering how my away went back on...
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sadams    |Wonder if Mrs.Mac has ImageFX3.1
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F308gt4   |DrFraggle: hello
sadams    |She'd need 68030/040 to be feasible with that of a Mac :)
DrFraggle |hi
sadams    |hi Dr.F !
magnocks  |has anyone actually heard anything at all from this show? I 
          |mean.. who throws this shoe?
sadams    |Blame it on the air-headed west coast!
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sadams    |Riley: :)
DFDuck    |The show was put on by Sacramento Amiga UG and Redwood Empire 
          |Amiga UG joint effort.
sadams    |sand in their ears, and water in their lungs
RAG       |magnocks: join #amiwestTA for Q&A direct from the show...
sadams    |ever since the Love Ins :)
RAG       |#amiwest98 that is..
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sadams    |RAG: Whos on for Q & A?
RAG       |Holger kruse
sadams    |*YAWN*
magnocks  |oooh ta
sadams    |Gimme the big guns!
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RAG       |Carl was there yesterday... and Bill...
DFDuck    |I guess that was an interesting Q&Q with Holger. I'm an AmiTCP 
          |user so not a lot of interest t ome.
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sadams    |I wuz there for that
Riley     |sadams: Holger was elected Amiga-personality of the year in WOA
DFDuck    |err Q&A rather
sadams    |i Don't care for Miami
Riley     |i like Miami
sadams    |AMITCP is it for me :)
DFDuck    |I'm a shell user. Didn't like WB in '85 and still don't. So I use 
          |AmiTCP.
Wendell   |Miami = magic
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sadams    |DFDuck: Are u usin OS3.1?
DFDuck    |sadams: Ya, 3.1
sadams    |DFDuck: So...why the shell?
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DFDuck    |I "like" shell ¦)  I can get done what I want done a lot faster 
          |than clicking all the little drawer pictures to get where I want 
          |to be before I can run my program.
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sadams    |But, the commands/strings :(
Riley     |dfduck: that's true...i hope they create some shortcuts to OS5
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pOMAc     |<- Loves shell
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DFDuck    |I've just never cared for WB. I know I'm in the minority, but 
          |have rights to my optinions too.
pOMAc     |<- KingCON oholic
sadams    |DF: Rights granted :)
DFDuck    |I use KingCON in WShell.
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sadams    |DF: Never understood it, but hey, I'm a Simp :)
pOMAc     |Scalos is pretty nice thouh
DFDuck    |Bought WShell the same time I bought ARexx 1.0 in '87.
pOMAc     |though
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LowLevel  |All: Was Bill McEwen here in the channel, today? maybe saying 
          |something interesting?
sadams    |DF: That was 10 years ago!
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sadams    |DF: Nearly every current Miggy prg. todat has a GUI
DFDuck    |sadams: Ya.. and I'm "still" hacking out arexx.
sadams    |DF: Ure smarter than most :)
pOMAc     |sadams: Yeah, But somethings are better in shell
Riley     |lowlevel: i don't think he's been here today
sadams    |DF: Care to Port to the PPC?
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DFDuck    |sadams: Or slower ¦)
Riley     |lowlevel: of course i haven't been here all day
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sadams    |:)
LowLevel  |Riley: ok, 10x.
Kinners   |Hmmmmm... Joe Torre on #amiwest98
DFDuck    |sadams: I'm just an arexx hack...
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sadams    |Anyone here know of a prg. for the Kodak DC25 that will access 
          |the Smart card for Download from the camera?
MiMe      |re
NiteFlite |Joe Torre is on #amiwest98
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DFDuck    |There's some prog on aminet for the Kodak I think.
sadams    |gotta go to AmiWEST!
Riley     |wonder where Torre is atm
wurzel    |Hi guys, just joined (am in the UK). Any news?
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DFDuck    |New guest on #amiwest98   Frank Davis of FWD Computing  (whoever 
          |that is...)
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Riley     |we'll know soon
MiMe      |soon?
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Riley     |mime: who Frank Davis is, that is
ginger    |news soon!
DFDuck    |patience is a virtue, but Amiga took patience to the limit many 
          |times over the years.
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Riley     |UGN seem to be handling the irc conferences very well...:-/
DFDuck    |ya
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          |SadJester Exploderi MiMe Eric75 Amires
Riley     |losing their guests all the time...
DFDuck    |Ihavn't heard any complains yet on that. No flooders or spammers 
          |etc.
DFDuck    |well... "stuff" happens..
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          |get some sleep ;-)).
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JT        |what kind of news?
PILLGRIM  |hi
Riley     |no news
Riley     |Joe Torre's on #amiwest98 now, though
Icaros    |heh, the webcam seems to have stopped again, just when I got it 
          |working :(
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pOMAc     |Riley: Was =)
Riley     |pomac: still is (onebit)
pOMAc     |Riley: Oha..
Riley     |but now: was...;-)
pOMAc     |Riley: Told you =)
Riley     |damn splits...
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Eric-75   |Who is "onebit" ?
Icaros    |what's theese splits all about? are the servers to overloaded or 
          |what??
DFDuck    |I think my eyes spun backwards on that reconnect...
VideoTech |joe torre
Riley     |eric: Joe Torre of AInc
Eric-75   |RIley:Thancks :-)
Riley     |icaros: wouldn't think so...they worked well during WOA
DFDuck    |Man I'll bet its hot in Sacramento. I'm 85 miles north east of it 
          |int he mountains and its 94°F up here. Whew.
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fibbs     |I need a channel I can talk in! hehe
VideoTech |:)
wurzel    |Hi guys, can you give me the location for the webcam?
fibbs     |www.amiga.org/webcam/cam.jpg
PILLGRIM  |http://www.amiga.org/webcam/
ginger    |http://www.amiga.org/webcam/webcamimage.html
fibbs     |just hit reload whenever to see an update
Riley     |www.amiga.org/webcam
wurzel    |fibbs: Thanks.
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wurzel    |Thanks to you all ;-)
fibbs     |eek.. #amiwest98 has gone moderated and they're not saying 
          |anything
Riley     |i think that became clear ;-)
Icaros    |wurzel: but the people on the cam seems a bit stale ;-)
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Zer0      |Who´s in front of the Webcam? Anyone in here?
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wurzel    |Icaros: Yeah, I can see that now :)
F308gt4   |hello ALL
Riley     |the cam's not working, i think
fibbs     |hm, I was about to say they're like statues.. :-)
fibbs     |haha
JT        |f308gt4: hello, wellcome
sadams    |the whole sho's not working!
F308gt4   |Jt: hi
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F308gt4   |fibbs: hi
fibbs     |hi F308gt4
Icaros    |wurzel: good, then my software isnt to blame
JT        |sadams: the camera was ok 10 minutes ago!
F308gt4   |fibbs: any fibbs or truth today?
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«Nick»    |fibbs is now known as fibbsy.
fibbsy    |F308gt4: blaaah. :P
sadams    |no...just the West Coast Air-Heads!
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fibbsy    |Kinners: hello nz person. :)
Kinners   |hi fibbsy
pekr      |Is it true Bill said they are looking at different chips now? So 
          |does it mean our MMC is not so cool in comparison with another 
          |ones? ....
tarbos    |glaze3d ;)
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Riley     |i would think they have decided the chip already
F308gt4   |onebit: hi
Riley     |tarbos: oh come on...;-))
pOMAc     |Oh, famus visitors
pOMAc     |=)
wurzel    |Icaros: No, mine's just the same!
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fibbsy    |the G4 PPC's sound pretty cool
fibbsy    |PPC might be a good direction to go in.. but we cant really say 
          |cos we dont know whats out there (in development and stuff)
pekr      |yeah, AltiVEC sounds cool
Zer0      |fibbsy:G4´s look very tasty indeed.
VideoTech |joe: why not say it's a DSP and be done with it ;) hehe
JT        |onebit: hi
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onebit    |Because it is MULTIPLE P's
Eric-75   |Who is Frank ? (sorry :-)
ginger    |go to #Amiwest98 now!
Zer0      |How about a G4 and MMC as companion?
ginger    |explanation of the news situation
fibbsy    |Eric-75: hes a mailorder guy
MiMe      |Eric-75: i just wanted to ask this, too. who is he?
JT        |what means: multiple P's
pekr      |Zer0: yes, probably it would be great, but unless we know, what 
          |the MMC stnads for ....
Eric-75   |fibbsy: thancks (again :-)
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          |get some sleep ;-)).
Riley     |MMC=Mystery Monster Chip
onebit    |I thought it was "Mitchie" ?
onebit    |as in her multiple puppies
F308gt4   |Eric-75: thanks for that
Riley     |MMC is not it's official name, though
JT        |maybe: multi media chip...
Zer0      |pekr:Well, from what I have read the MMC is not a CPU so there 
          |has to be a real CPU too
pekr      |forget multimedia, we now have digital convergence era :-)
onebit    |There's that "Official" again. Shhhaaa! It IS a valid variable 
          |for the time being.
fibbsy    |multimedia chip? mystery monster chip i thought it was :)
ginger    |typical, the guy on #amiwest98 has been silent for 2 minutes"
pekr      |Zer0: ouch, I thought MMC is something like Hombre, so it can 
          |live without CPU :-)
ginger    |and he has ignored the Q - somehting is going on
JT        |what's MULTIPLE P's
fibbsy    |ginger: well he had no answer to that question.. it wasnt 
          |directed at him. sheesh, i wondered if TB actually read it or not
Riley     |multiprocessing
onebit    |Lets keep calling it MMC. It works for now.
HMetal    |Anyone know what timezone Australia is?
Riley     |onebit: ok, ok
TRue      |JT: toys?
Riley     |onebit: you should be paying royalties to the guy who invented 
          |the name ;-)
F308gt4   |bye ALL
Zer0      |pekr:I have read that too but, it is not intended to be the main 
          |CPU.
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Wendell   |Is that Frank Davis on the cam pic?
pekr      |Zer0: who knows :-) (only god and ppl at AInc.)
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VideoTech |onebit: som new employees to Amiga Inc recently ?
onebit    |wendell: Bill Borsari is at the KB
[X_MaN]   |Onebit:Why did u stop posting on the Moo Bunny?
Zer0      |pekr: "nobody knows" -Ren
Wendell   |onebit: Thanks!
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Kinners   |HMetal: What part of oz?
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Anglewell |when is some news due?
[X_MaN]   |Anglewell:2 weeks;)
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Anglewell |;)
pekr      |Anglewell: who said there are going to be any news at Amiwest? 
          |;-)
Zer0      |The Amiga world is starving for news, no news on PPC HW dev, no 
          |OS news, no nothing.
onebit    |[X_MAN]: Well, I do lurk, and use a plethora of cloaking.devices, 
          |but It got really slow, to "surf" on the Moo latelly
JT        |X-MAn: in 2 weeks. where?
fibbsy    |after the OS kernal is announced, realistically we cant expect 
          |any news until November
fibbsy    |unless they do something totally out of the blue like release 
          |wb3.5 :)
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pekr      |OS kernel? Does choosing OS kernel takes so loooong?
JT        |fibbsy: until then someone should work on the Os and know 
          |something about!
[X_MaN]   |Onebit:well Squid has rebuilt the Moo Bunny, its much faster 
          |there now, and the JMS now has a version to be used for 
          |Ads/HelpCalls/Support etc... Donated by Squid
[X_MaN]   |JT:It was a joke:)
fibbsy    |question queue is empty in #amiwest98 .. i'm strongly tempted to 
          |ask "which do you prefer.. undies or boxers?" hehe
VideoTech |pekr: you cant just pick a kernal and say "I want that one" ;D
JT        |until november the whole OS should have be done, they said at 
          |woa...
[X_MaN]   |JT:thats being optimistic to say the least, the basic outline 
          |might be done by then, with some small functionality, but whole 
          |os?  No chance...
fibbsy    |pekr: they said they hope to have made the decision on the kernal 
          |by the end of the month. They've got it down to three.. BeOS, 
          |Linux and JavaOS we think. :)
Riley     |the OS4 yes
Zer0      |Riley should be glad I use Netscape 3 and It have crashed about 9 
          |today .
pekr      |VideoTech: what "just"? It's two months from their decision ... 
          |Not enough time to do so?
onebit    |[X_MAN]: BTW I really like the hand drawn picture I bought from 
          |the Squid in Toronto. He is a very talented guy. I like his 
          |Bunny-on-Ball too!
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VideoTech |pekr: Amiga Inc dont own the kernals, partners must have 
          |contracts or big buyouts right ?
JT        |x_man: I was surprised at WOA: a new OS in 6 months, someone lese 
          |(no names) DELAYED 6 months only for a 'small' upgrade of his OS
[X_MaN]   |Onebit:Good :)  Squid needs the cash, you did a very honourable 
          |thing taking one off him
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fibbsy    |onebit: he should start making t shirts or something. :)
pekr      |fibbsy: Linus? I don't think it is going to be Linux ....
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JT        |zer0: use explorer and you'll have 17 crashes a day...
Riley     |don't shout frank...
Zer0      |pekr: On a good day 12:-D
fibbsy    |pekr: why not?
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C-Hawk    |zer0: if you are lucky
onebit    |[X_MAN]: I feel like I got the drawing for a very low price. and 
          |Canadian $ at that!
pekr      |fibbsy: I have read some of Dave haynie's comments on that
[X_MaN]   |Onebit:I really like the JMS moo bunny, you should get him a job 
          |at inc he is pretty damn revolutionary to say the least.  Don`t 
          |you think you could need a chap like that?
fibbsy    |pekr: ok.
JT        |what's the moo bunny?
«CTCP»    |Got PING request from Llama [to #amiwest98].
Anglewell |what time is it now at amiwest? is it all over yet?
rlv       |[X_MaN] I'm OK.  Just overloaded withunpaid work.  Question.  Why 
          |is your nidk so hard to type?  Cutting down on flaming or 
          |something?  If so, clever.
[X_MaN]   |JT:the best Amiga discussion forum in existance 
          |http://users.compassworks.com/~squid/msgboard/amiga/
Zer0      |Well It´s getting a bit late here in Sweden 01:00am, bye!
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fibbsy    |Who's the next guest on #amiwest98 ?? I have to go..
pekr      |fibbsy: but, you know, there are different opinions even amongst 
          |Amiga personalities ... MP, VM etc. If you are present at TA 
          |mailing list, you can observe it ...
onebit    |T-shirt seem to be a good idea, but IMHO, Higher end golf/sports 
          |wear are more in demand. *I* can wear an Amiga T-shirt to work, 
          |but can everyone?
JT        |x_amn: how does it work? IRC, usenet....
[X_MaN]   |rlv:This is 1998, we now have nick completion;)
fibbsy    |pekr: oh! does "TA" stand for Team Amiga?? I've been wondering 
          |what that stands for. :)
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fibbsy    |pekr: I havent been on a mailing list for ages.. this TA list 
          |sounds alright.
sadams    |Onebit: u see that? people out ther that never owned an Amiga are 
          |buying Miggy forever just for the taste of it!
[X_MaN]   |JT:it works using its own program accesible by the web
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JT        |x_man: thanx!
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onebit    |[X_MAN]: I cant "get someone a job at AI" BELIEVE ME, I've 
          |tried...
rlv       |[X  Oh?  I'm seeing if it works from the shell.
sadams    |onebit: the Q is : Do they know what their buying??
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fibbsy    |sadams: sounds like they just want something cool to play around 
          |with
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JT        |I think I'll go to bed. Good Luck to all and bye...
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sadams    |"Amiga ROMS"? What are they?! In the Garbage!
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[X_MaN]   |onebit:shame:(  He would have made a good addition.  So if we 
          |can`t get him a job in Inc, where can we get him a job?  He may 
          |lose his job this week he said so Id like to repay him for his 
          |kindness to us, know anyone who could use him?
sadams    |bye, JT!
fibbsy    |cya!
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onebit    |Yes, that's true. You are absolutelly right.
sadams    |onebit: who's left jobless?
LordCyber |Anyone know if there was information released at AmiWest?
[X_MaN]   |sadams:John Shephard AKA the Squid.  Author of this.    
          |http://users.compassworks.com/~squid/msgboard/amiga/
sadams    |Lord: NO! Were where we were b4 the show!
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LordCyber |« sadams »: that bites...
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          |channel.
sadams    |Lord: WE KNOW!
rlv       |[X:  I'm on a run now and have to leave again.  *I get so few 
          |chances to IRC,  I forget from session to session.  I'll Email 
          |you later, I hope.  I have to use a Wintel Beast and it has 
          |started crapping.  Getting a repair on a 200 and putting it 
          |inthis wek
[X_MaN]   |rlv:give me 20 seconds:)
sadams    |rlv: Lighten UP!
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          |another server in an effort to support my IRC Habit...).
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Echo_TA   |onebit: Say, when is DragonCon this year? I have some folks here 
          |that want to go.
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rlv       |[X_MaN[  yes, but it's o difficult that I'll have to get back in 
          |Email later.  I appreciate what I saw here.
YM0US     |Has there been any news anyone?
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Riley     |nothing
onebit    |Dragoncon is Sept 1-5th I think. That weekend. My robot contest 
          |is Sunday at 1:00PM
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Stevey_P  |Is the show still going on? (i'm in the UK)
rlv       |[X_Man]:  You are a webmaster at JMS.  Introduce yourself as 
          |such.  Don't forget to add that Andrew Bienhaus is now one, as 
          |well.
YM0US     |why? what happened to big annoucement?
DFDuck    |Where's skal in all this mess?
rlv       |sadams:  Thanks, I'm just a bit rushed now.  Things are going 
          |better in general.
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pOMAc     |DFDuck: Skal?
Riley     |ymous: maybe next time...
[X_MaN]   |Robert:thats it?:)  I thought this is what you wanted and now I 
          |know what u meant
DFDuck    |Pomac: They know who I mean. Loret.
pOMAc     |DFDuck: Ahh ok
DFDuck    |Pomac: He tested my bot prog for awhile. Was the inspiration to 
          |add html logging.
YM0US     |Riley: Did anything get said by anyone?
pOMAc     |DFDuck: Ahh =)
Riley     |ymous: many things got said by many people ;-))....no solid news, 
          |though
rlv       |[X_MaN] For IRC, I guess that 's all you can do.  I see the time 
          |has passed for anything else, so it will come out tomorow in the 
          |newsgroups, etc....
Stevey_P  |I find the fact that there's been no announceent a real let down 
          |=(
[X_MaN]   |All:The Jay Miner Society would like to announce that is now has 
          |added two new Web Masters to its staff.  Andrew Bienhaus and 
          |Mario Saitti.  For questions regarding the JMS, you can ask me 
          |directly or rlv if he is still here
rlv       |[X_
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onebit    |To be fair. it was the show organisers who said/predicted ther 
          |would be a big announcement. Nowhere has AI said such
[X_MaN]   |rlv: [ plus tab should do it;)
Riley     |stevey: isn't it always...but then again when the new machine is 
          |not out until late 99, what does it matter?...i'm sure AInc are 
          |working hard (right onebit?) and are in the schedule
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DFDuck    |and where's fleecy. Neither of those guys have poked their noses 
          |in this weekend.
[X_MaN]   |Onebit:Well have the show organisers announced that one of them 
          |is behind the new ConeKT message board system?  That is a fairly 
          |big announcement concerning Amiga support and initiatives
YM0US     |AI said give us 30 days ????
«Error»   |herb: No such nick
[X_MaN]   |DFDuck:fleecy isnt coming, not sure if he was supposed to be on 
          |IRC
rlv       |[X_MaN]  That's good enough for now.  We'll have to get it out in 
          |full later.  You are doing fine.  I have to get out to.. wellit's 
          |a ways from here.  Late as it is.  Thanks.  Bye.
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DFDuck    |[X_MaN]: You'd think he would at least poke his nose in once or 
          |twice here on irc.
onebit    |..uuuhhhh, New machine? Oh! Yes, the PC with the *development* 
          |software loaded. There will be no new machines (MMC not in 
          |silicon yet) for around two years. Meanwhile it is 68K/PPC land. 
          |Talking heads song quote: "Same as it ever was"
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Wedgie    |onebit: any news on Phase5 doing a version os for PPC ?
[X_MaN]   |DFDuck:he has a wife too u know, and its sunday time with the 
          |wife and kids;)
MiMe      |Wedgie: haage is doing a 68k emulator. i don't think there will 
          |be a ppc os. but lets see.
DFDuck    |[X_MaN]: Real life? Whats that? ¦>
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YM0US     |What happened to the online newsfeed???
onebit    |Wedgie: Not yet. They may not think it is "worth" doing by 
          |themselfs.
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[X_MaN]   |onebit:you have a ppc/68k fixation don`t you;)  Admit it you 
          |prefer Transmeta`s new chip (now this is lurker bait if I ever 
          |thew u it)
MiMe      |YM0US: yes. isn't there a show currently? where is the newsfeed?
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Wedgie    |Amiga Fomat magazine, in reply to a letter said, There would 
          |definately be a verion of OS for PPC amigas !!
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Delta     |you believe magazines?
Riley     |the newsfeed thing seems to have gone pear-shaped..
Wedgie    |nope just hope its true :)
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Delta     |hehe ;)
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Zaphod    |Was there ANY announcements from Amiga Inc????
onebit    |[X: Sorta. I know 68K/PPC best. It is what I use. Well. Anything 
          |else will have to be acctually better, regardless of how "fast" 
          |it is.
YM0US     |Was there any annoucements from anywhere??
Zaphod    |good point
Delta     |onebit: what is that joke in the PPC manula telling that you need 
          |to install the software before the card???
Delta     |manual even
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pekr      |What was REBOL general acceptance (impression) at the show?
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Wedgie    |PPC question ?? how do you update the ppc.libraryon the Blizzard 
          |603e board, anyone please !!
onebit    |You do need to install 68060.library and/or ppc.library, YES. 
          |It's not a joke.
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Riley     |delta: that
Delta     |onebit: what happen if I start from scratch whitout another CPU??
Riley     |delta: that's how it is...and it's quite logical in fact
Delta     |yeah but..I will get rid of the 3640...what happen in case of HD 
          |crash?
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onebit    |Delta: Scratch? No 040 card in an A-4000?
[X_MaN]   |onebit:ok lets see if you deserve your place as chief hardware 
          |man.  Tell me what you would drink when u want to relax.
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pOMAc     |Laire
Delta     |onebit: yeah..let say I sell my 3640 and in 6 months I get a new 
          |HD and decide to reinstall system from 0
onebit    |[X: BeerS
onebit    |[X the Iron is indeed "on"
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[X_MaN]   |onebit:so you don`t touch Jack Daniels?
pOMAc     |Delta: you can boot with no wb etc and install the libs
Delta     |pomac: ok, so that's the trick
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pOMAc     |Delta: Yeah just a 060 can give you HUGE problems =)
Delta     |can I simply copy the libs to my WB disk for future usage?
PUNA      |so Delta u set AI straight?
pOMAc     |Delta: dunno about ppc etc though
Mawrick   |Any anouncement made??? (if not, is there going to be any?)
Delta     |PUNA: why not? :)
onebit    |Delta: Simple, you install the 060 card, hold down both mouse 
          |buttons, select "no startup-sequence". The machine boots to a 
          |CLI. You copy the libraries from the floppy to the HD's sys:libs 
          |directory, then reboot!
pOMAc     |onebit: Already coverd =)
Delta     |onebit: hmm..I think I will work on a "proggy" to simplify that 
          |:)
Wedgie    |onebit, you cant do that, if the libs are in the flash of the 
          |card !
onebit    |[X Dale, Dave, and I prefer Beer(S!). But JD is ok.
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Mawrick   |Could anyone please tell if any anouncement have been made, or if 
          |there is going to be any???
Riley     |mawrick: nope
PUNA      |free amigas for all
Delta     |haha
Mawrick   |not supposed to be any either.....?
[X_MaN]   |onebit:good to hear, come over to Cyprus and join the Amigans 
          |here and you`ll see that JD is the standard workbench issue.  In 
          |fact some of the Cypriots here are going to start a campaign to 
          |have workbench 5 come with a free bottle of JD
Mawrick   |PUNA: :)
Delta     |PUNA: inflatable doll in every box ;)
onebit    |[X I really flattered, but as the answer to the ppc installation 
          |shows, there PLENTY of Amiga experts worldwide, and MANY who know 
          |specific topics better than I. Vs versa. The answer is best found 
          |by asking the right person, in the right manner, at the right 
          |time.
PUNA      |ahmmmmmmmmmm, 3.141 godzillion hz
PUNA      |10 cpus
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Mawrick   |Anyone at AmiWest now?
PUNA      |hand held
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Delta     |20" screen foldable
onebit    |Wedgie: Yes you can. RTFM
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Delta     |btw..its very funny to see an 040 "trying" to run Benoit :)
onebit    |3.1415926535897932384
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PUNA      |showoff
[X_MaN]   |Onebit:you are truly correct, I have the experts my friend, lots 
          |of them all experts in certain fields so they can cover the 
          |complete spectrum, but without your endorsement, the initiative 
          |will meet much not needed aggression
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Wedgie    |onebit: i have the manual here, and it doesnt mention updating 
          |the flash :(
Zaphod    |Anyone using Scalos? Do you like it?
onebit    |[X Ok here; I offically endorse it. Is that all?
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pOMAc     |Yabba
Mawrick   |When is AmiWest finnished?
onebit    |[X: OK that (20min) sounds good. I'd prefer a phone call/email 
          |reminder to remind me just-in-time.
[X_MaN]   |Onebit:20 mins THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
onebit    |You can use MY name. It is "ofically" mine!!
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onebit    |[X: Gee, I hope I answer the questions right!
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[X_MaN]   |onebit:A JMS steering committe is hearing this right now;)  Btw 
          |if u see fleecy, can u tell him to agree too, seeing as he was 
          |the one who got me started on the entire thing about 6 months 
          |ago;)
[X_MaN]   |onebit:thank you once again!  And I do hope you get the questions 
          |right;)
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onebit    |[X Ok, fine. Like I say. It is up to me. I dont endorse 
          |InternetExploder BTW.
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[X_MaN]   |onebit:buahahahaha ;)  Hopefully a proper announcement can be 
          |made under ICOA/JMS/TA auspices end of the coming week.
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[X_MaN]   |onebit:oh and UGN too
onebit    |UGN Rocks!
[X_MaN]   |ACLG rocks more;)
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Mawrick   |Have AmiWest ended now??? (sorry for not knowing but I use CET 
          |time)
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Icaros    |mawrick: no, theyre still talking in #amiwest98
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[X_MaN]   |onebit:The ACLG is the true inclusional committee, ensuring the 
          |UGN/TA/JMS/ICOA all function together properly and intermingle 
          |instead of remaining distinct and disparate.  I guess the ACLG`s 
          |function will become more evident within the coming months as it 
          |achieves more projects such as the Amiga news feed
Mawrick   |Icaros: is that directly from Amiwest?
Icaros    |mawrick: yes, they have conferances and stuff there
Mawrick   |Icaros: (last Q) you know if there is planned an anouncement from 
          |AI?
onebit    |[X: Sound good.
onebit    |I've got to go now. BCNU at OHIO!
Icaros    |mawrick: no, has been here all day almost, everyone is denying 
          |that
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[X_MaN]   |Onebit:well the UGN and JMS/TA were to have lots of discusions at 
          |Amiwest so I guess Alan will fill us in tomorow, anyway cya
onebit    |Ok bye
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Icaros    |it's getting late, i'm outta here. bye!
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sadams    |be, Wedgie!
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sadams    |Who wantsa to spill their gutts?
pOMAc     |sadams: i'd rather keep em inside my skin =)
sadams    |:)
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sadams    |pOMAc: Where u at?
pOMAc     |sadams: Sweden
sadams    |pOMAc: REALLY?
pOMAc     |sadams: Humm thats what .se stands for
sadams    |Tak Sa Miket!
Cleese    |*laugh*
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Cleese    |sadams: flawless swedish there ;)
DFDuck    |Pomac: And All this time I thought you were from South Elay
pOMAc     |DFDuck: ROTFL =)
sadams    |pOMAc: I'm a Swede from America!
pOMAc     |sadams: hehe =) OK
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sadams    |pOMAc: I was expecting "Vasa God!"
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sadams    |pOMAc: That's all I know!
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Echo_TA   |I detect an Asha
pOMAc     |sadams: hehe =)
pOMAc     |sadams: Been busy checking what comps it was that scannedme
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sadams    |pOMAc: Interpet "Gullans" for me, Please
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          |channel.
pOMAc     |sadams: Gullan can be the name of a girl, Ie that girls...
pOMAc     |sadams: It might be some place dependent slang aswell..
DFDuck    |I never did hear anything about Casey's arexx talk. 
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Echo_TA   |I think he was busy trying to keep his webcam stuff from frying
MoPp      |WATCH OUT FOR SQUEEK 2!!! THE BEST HI-SPEC PLATFORM-GAME FOR THE 
          |AMIGA!
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pOMAc     |<- Thinks that the new amigas can't exist without new arexx and 
          |roms..
sadams    |pOMACs: Thought it ment "Land of Gold"
DFDuck    |Oh. I wondered if he talked about his httpd I wrote.. I mean he 
          |wrote. ¦)
pOMAc     |sadams: Guld = Gold so... Land of gold would be Land av Guld... 
          |Everything is pretty word by word =)
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pOMAc     |DFDuck:  =) Now who wrote it =)
sadams    |pOMAc: Wheat and Grain and such, u know , Farm Land!
pOMAc     |sadams: ?? eh?
DFDuck    |Pomac: Shhh, don't tell anyone.
pOMAc     |DFDuck:  =)) LOL
DFDuck    |arnold
sadams    |pOMAc: Tis my Name, possibly deriving from "Gullanson"
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pOMAc     |sadams: eh? Gullanson? Is that your name or? What
pOMAc     |?
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sadams    |pOMAc: US Translation has cut it down to "Gullans"
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pOMAc     |sadams: dosn't mean anything in swedish, might be some of those 
          |familynames that drrived from the work they did or some other 
          |local slang
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sadams    |pOMAc: Maybe of Finnish decent??
pOMAc     |did this channel die ot waht
pOMAc     |what
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pOMAc     |sadams: humm, Dosn't sound finish, Finns usually use many k's 
          |etc, Norwegan?
Riley     |"gullanson" is certainly not a finnish name
sadams    |pOMAc: No, definetly not!
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pOMAc     |sadams: Humm?
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pOMAc     |sadams: you do know that there are villages in sweden where the 
          |kids go to school in norway =)
sadams    |pOMAc: But unclarification seems to rule as to whther we are 
          |Swedes or Finns ( Civil Fueds, and such)
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pOMAc     |sadams: humm strabfe
pOMAc     |strange
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«Topic»   |Topic for channel #amiwestTA is World Cup final, while we wait :)
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arnold    |dfd
DFDuck1   |Hmm
arnold    |what i piss them off by asking how you where doing?
arnold    |;)
DFDuck    |No one here but you and I... net split
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Asha      |So, onebit, What's the news? :)
sadams    |irc.whiterose.us.net/#Amiga
Asha      |sadams: ??
Echo_TA   |gotta run... dinner time..
Echo_TA   |asha: I'll mail you later.
Asha      |Later Echo_TA :)
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Asha      |Echo_TA: Please do!
Asha      |Hi Thiesen !
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Thiesen   |Hi Asha... :-)
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Thiesen   |Asha: How are ya???
sadams    |irc.whiterose/net#Amiga
Asha      |Thiesen: Hot and tierd.  Just got back from Sacrement ;)
Thiesen   |Asha: Ah... you where there??? How was it???
Tigger    |How did you enjoy the show Asha??
Asha      |I loved it! VERY VERY positive, downright uplifting!
fibbsy    |Asha: did you go to the bankquet? (argh I still cant spell that)
Thiesen   |Asha: Wow.... I have not heard any news from AmiWest.... what 
          |happened???
Thiesen   |fibbsy: Banquet.... :-)
fibbsy    |Thiesen: ahh.. haha :-)
Asha      |Yes, went to the banquet
fibbsy    |Asha: and?
Thiesen   |Asha: How much did the banquet cost???
Asha      |$25
Thiesen   |ok...
fibbsy    |Asha: what was said?
Asha      |wait a sec please...
Asha      |go to #amiga so I only have to type this once, I've gotta leave 
          |the channels in a few minutes
fibbsy    |okay
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DFDuck    |Woohoo!
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sadams    |It's been fun...for all it's worth!
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DFDuck    |Ike
Ikemo     |dfd
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Tib       |Hi guys
DFDuck    |Ike: Back for more eh?  its about all wound up now.
Ikemo     |DFD: yep..just finished a late dinner.
Tib       |I'm champion of the world !!! waaaaooooouuuu
Ikemo     |DFD: did Kruse show?
DFDuck    |Ike: I'm just about to end logging and rest my eyes. Got lots of 
          |logs to go through; 14 hrs yesterday and 8.5 hrs today so far.
DFDuck    |Ya. Holger was on #amiwest98 for a long time answering questions.
Ikemo     |I'd like to see that log :)
petah     |LowLevel: Wanna send me a copy please?
petah     |ops
DFDuck    |Ike: I'll have it on the web page tomorrow. That channel produced 
          |about 275k of log yesterday. Havn't looked for today yet, but not 
          |as much I'm sure.
Ikemo     |np
Tib       |Champion du monde !
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DFDuck    |Well, its been fun. Nice to meet y'all. Looks like its over with
          |now. I'm off to edit logs. So long folks.
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