DFDuck's #AmiWestTA IRC Conference Logs 11-Jul-98
This is my complete log. Unaltered other than editing out my private messages,
reformatting of text to make it readable (ever try reading an AmIRC log?), and
adding html tags top and bottom. I missed the beginning of both days. I started
logging at 1:15pm the 11th and 10:26am the 12th. If anyone has those times logged
I would really appreciate a copy of them.
«Log» |Logging started at 11-Jul-98 13:15:10.
_ego |TheBarron: Even when they do deny rumours people don't believe
|them. ;)
asha |TheBarron: Bill McEwen and Gary talked about that and he'll tell
|you what they know later
Jkay |well well!
Hawker |CyborJim: I believe you mean the Somerset design center...
Merko |CyborJim: But is it ALL the plants, or just this new joint
|IBM/Mot one?
Womble |TheBarron: They probably don't want to dignify it with a response
asha |Womble: More likely :)
PUNA |the devil's in the details
asha |Trying to defuse rumors can be an exercise in futility
CyborJim |According to the news story I saw even though IBM makes several
|servers with the PowerPC CPU they will otherwise get out of the
|PowerPC CPU business.
«Quit» |Alvin_ (Alvin@t4o13p39.telia.com) has signed off (Ping timeout
|for Alvin_[t4o13p39.telia.com]).
asha |CyborJim: Seems everyone is dropping PPC
«Quit» |TheBarron (bmonroe@ip90.tulsa5.ok.pub-ip.psi.net) has signed off
|(Read error to TheBarron[ip90.tulsa5.ok.pub-ip.psi.net]:
|Connection reset by peer).
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CyborJim |Except for Apple who have the multi-media enhanced PPC CPU.
Merko |asha: No.. I'm trying to get a CSPPC second-hand, but can't find
|any.. so I'll have to get a new one.
asha |CyborJim: Bet they'll move to another chip as well. PPC seems
|(Note: SEEMS) to be a dead end.
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|timeout for LeRoy[1Cust239.tnt6.dfw5.da.uu.net]).
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Hawker |IBM will compete with Motorola to sell to Apple as well.
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_ego |asha: Apple are already laying the foundations for using other
|chips
Jkay |lostman on cam again
asha |_ego: Exactly my point
CyborJim |asha, this makes since. They sold alot of product on the "Appple
|is twice as fast as a Pentium PC" pitch.
asha |Jkay: Well at least he's interesting to look at :)
Jkay |and corrinna in the background
asha |CyborJim: Nice commercial :)
Jkay |this could be a disater
asha |Bodhi's running around there somewhere as well...
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«Lag» |Warning: No response from Server for more than 10s!
asha |Jkay: No disaster here!
«Lag» |Server finally answered; total server lag was 16.5s
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Jkay |whew .. ok, looks like someone has captured corinna
_ego |Cybor Jim: Yeah but that advert only works so long as PPC STAYS
|faster.
«Quit» |jon3T (~chad@dialin726.toronto.globalserve.net) has signed off (I
|guess I'm going to bed now -:)))).
asha |_ego: Or until the NEXT chip they use is faster as well...
Locutus |ego: no, the adverts still work :)
«Quit» |scuz (scuz@diala072.ppp.lrz-muenchen.de) has signed off
|(price/performance ratio overflow).
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|ExiE[194.212.133.51]: Connection reset by peer).
CyborJim |_ego: Yes. Tech advertising becomes obsolite very fast.
asha |Gary here for a few
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CyborJim |With notible exceptions of the very well done Video Toaster demo
|tapes.
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|channel.
Drool |Anyone here use SPlayer ? (a GUI for Mpega and Play16)
beezo |PPC will ALWAYs be faster because of the architecture of the cpu
asha |As far as the IBM rumor, Bill McEwen said that he read what we
|did and hasn't heard anything internally about it other than it
|is a rumor started on the stock market becuase Gateway looks like
|a good canbdidate to buy.
TheBarron |yeah.. nothing will ever be faster than PPC
_ego |Drool: Yeah, been using it for a couple of years now
Drool |-ego: I am the author :)
TheBarron |asha: The stock market dictates a lot of business these days
Drool |_ego: I am the author :)
beezo |thebarron, haha yeah right
«Nick» |asha is now known as ta.
_ego |beezo: Hmm. Faster than what? You didn't specify
Jkay |I noticed that there are NO Boing Balls here
_ego |Drool: Cool program :)
beezo |what program?
ta |TheBarron: Other than the rumors started by Ziff davis and a
|stock portfolio company, ther eisn't any substance there.
CyborJim |In May I was working agian on a story I'm trying to write. In
|the year 2010 IBM had an Amiga compatable. I think this will
|happen, but not this year.
Drool |_ego: I will be starting on 2.0 this week. Will be MUI. Add
|CD-Player support, and some new features.
ta |Jkay: Petro sent me a packet of the raised boing stick on decals.
Jkay |ta: well .. show them to the cam :)
«Quit» |CyborJim (jimvideo@206.155.34.45) has signed off (Read error to
|CyborJim[206.155.34.45]: Connection reset by peer).
_ego |Drool: Sounds good. Would be handy to have lots of different
|music formats from the one GUI. Don't fancy throwing a GMPlay
|gui in too do you? ;)
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«Nick» |ta is now known as asha.
Drool |_ego: Anything but mods :)
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|(Excess Flood).
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beezo |i dont think the new system will be sold as an "AMIGA"
beezo |it will be a new futuristic machine so Gateway can market it!
_ego |beezo: Does it matter? A good computer is a good computer
asha |beezo: They have already said they're keeping the AMIGA name
_ego |They can call it Sid for all I care :)
PUNA |name only
Locutus |amiga forever...
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Drool |or Bob
chameleo |Amiga as brand?
PUNA |i like PUNA
Womble |asha: Yes, but not every OEM will use it
DFDuck |How often is the cam updating?
beezo |asha, they did say they are gonna keep the name, I didnt see that
|posted officially anywhere
asha |Womble: They will if that's written into the license
asha |DFDuck: Don't know
_ego |DFDuck: Every 30 seconds
PUNA |call the chips Moe Larry and Curly
Eric-75 |A..AMIGA -B- C.. Commodore -D- E..Escom -F- G..Gateway-H- I..IBM
|in 2010 :-)
beezo |I dont think they should use any name with the cursed "A" letter
asha |beezo: That was stated at WOA UK
beezo |Amiga, Apple, Atari, Aptiva.........
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DFDuck |I'm set at 2 minutes here.. my computer is slooow and can't
|download and display it much faster than that ¦(
Kyosuke_ |news from Amiwest abaut Kernel ?????
asha |Kyosuke_: Nothing yet
chameleo |call it after the people who made this technology available -
|call it the Teddison or Abell
«Nick» |hay is now known as Fman.
AcE |summary of amiwest, please.
Ginko |Has there been any news at all?
«Quit» |UltraGelb (pofgarow@194.64.176.150) has signed off (Sauerkraut in
|die Lederhosen).
Kyosuke_ |asha : sigh sigh, but AI said another mayor announcment during
|Amiwest ..NOTHING ???
Jkay |AcE: "Feh"
asha |Ginko: Olaf Bartell has completed a new edition of the Developer
|CD with bugfixes for the code and RKMs
Yoshi2 |asha: v1.3?
asha |Dave Haynie's stuff is up at www.thule.no/haynie
DrFraggle |asha: The thing released by german magazine "amiga plus"?
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asha |Yoshi2: He calls it 2.1
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AcE |Who is Asha?
DrFraggle |asha: sure 2.1 not 1.2?
asha |Kyosuke_: There will most likely be announcements tonight at the
|banquet
asha |DrFraggle: Yes, 2.1 not 1.2 Thought Amiga Inc might call it
|something else
Yoshi2 |asha: Are changes that big?
asha |Yoshi2: Yes
Jkay |Asha Develder is the Queen of the Amiga Community.
jpawluk |What time's the Banquet
VideoTeck |asha: dont make promiss you cant keep ;) P5 know that
asha |Yoshi2: Completely bugfixed and RKM is completely bugfixed as
|well
Kyosuke_ |asha i hope :)
TheBarron |pic is jacking up again.. stuck for anyone else?
VideoTeck |but do it anyhow
asha |Jkay: Actually, we decided that Empress was a better title
AcE |Jkay: Why?
Jkay |it's stuck here too
«Quit» |Sodapop (sodapop@annecy5-193.club-internet.fr) has signed off
|(See ya !).
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asha |The banquet is 7:00pm PDT
Jkay |AcE: becasue she's been in it and about it since it began. Have
|you never used the FidoNet
_ego |asha: What, not Goddess? ;)
asha |_ego: Naw.....(giggle)
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asha |_ego: Too much distance there :)
jpawluk |Amiwest 98 Butt 'n Crouch cam...
AcE |Jkay: I used the FidoNet long time ago, but i prefered german
|boards. ;)
Jkay |Gotcha
Jkay |Well Asha has been on Fidonet running the amiga areas since
|before "a long time ago" :)
asha |Jkay: Forever!!
Jkay |asha: have you seen Denny there?
Jkay |he said he might attend
AcE |Jkay: Thanx. asha: hello :)
asha |Jkay: Don't know..
Wizardess |<- Been running Amiga areas on BIX since forever - glad to meet
|you Asha.
asha |AcE: :)
Jkay |Denny Atkin lives in Walnut Creek for .. hm .. 2 or 3 years now
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Jkay |WHOA
Jkay |Joanne?!
asha |Jkay: I thought he moved?
Jkay |he moved *to* walnut creek
Jkay |from NC
«Kick» |Jkay has been kicked out of this channel by AmiPPC: flood
asha |Jkay: Shows what *I* know!
Wizardess |<- Joanne Dow == The Wizardess
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TheBarron |jkay: kill that stoopid bot...
«Quit» |EricGir (EricGir@ppp219.117.mmtl.videotron.net) has signed off
|(Client exiting).
_ego |Hmm, how exactly is a flood defined by that thing?
«DEOP» |Jkay removes channel operator status from AmiPPC
«Kick» |Jkay has been kicked out of this channel by Amires: Abusing
|desync
«OP» |Amires gives channel operator status to AmiPPC
«Quit» |Amires (video@mainframe.sysedata.no) has signed off (Killed (Jkay
|(oink))).
VideoTeck |humm :)
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TheBarron |hehe
«OP» |asha gives channel operator status to Jkay
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Jkay |thats about enough
«OP» |AmiPPC gives channel operator status to Amires
VideoTeck |jkaywell
asha |Jkay: You should be ok now
Jkay |they have been kicking people randomly for 2 days
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|exiting).
AcE |What did Bill say?
TheBarron |Who let TA get their own channel, anyway? :)
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Jkay |it was a surprise
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asha |TheBarron: Excuse me?
TheBarron |jkay: ah. they suck at it, I must say
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DFDuck |thats one of the annoying "features" of eggdrop ¦)
TheBarron |asha: TA doesn't know how to handle a channel..
asha |TheBarron: That's one person's opinion
wurzel |Hey there. Just joined (from the UK). Any news on the new chip?
asha |wurzel: Not yet
TheBarron |asha: I'm not here to argue, just an observation.. ask RMer :)
Romaz |Hi to all
Jkay |TheBarron: play nice.
TheBarron |asha: ok. let me rephrase.. the bots SUCK :)
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|hannu[195.16.193.140], closing link).
wurzel |asha. Thankyou.
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«Lag» |Server finally answered; total server lag was 10.7s
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asha |TheBarron: How 'bout the bots are having problems (more accurate)
TheBarron |Jkay: heh.. and while Carl may not like moderated (someone said),
|we needed at least a little control during that session
wurzel |Any other news?
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Jkay |TheBarron: they can do as they like. if they ask for help,
|they'll get it.
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|for Alvin_[t4o13p52.telia.com]).
asha |wurzel: Updated Developer CD and RKM
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TheBarron |jkay: of course
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|channel.
RMerlin |asha: So they got the okay to finaly ship the CUCD with the
|Amigaguide versions of the RKMs? 'bout bloody time.
Jkay |so anyway, as I was asking as I was booted multiple times ..
|Wizardess was Joanne?
TheBarron |I'm just complaining because I'd have figured they would've
|thought about it ahead of time :)
AcE |pOS will discontinue!?
RMerlin |Errr... DevCD
wurzel |asha: Ah, no good for me then. I'm not a developer :(
asha |Jkay: Yes
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Presi- |asha: can u mak a summary of all news ?
asha |TheBarron: It is often difficult to think of everything
|beforehand especially if you don't have access to the physical
|space early.
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asha |Presi-: There isn't much news yet, most will be announced at the
|banquet tonight. Mostly developer support news
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TheBarron |asha: Sure. I apologize. If you knew me a little better, you'd
|know I just rant.. I didn't mean it in some sort of Cooksey
|conspiracy manner :)
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|timeout for Yrag[line089.nwm.dial.mindlink.net]).
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|Pro v2.0 Homepage at http://www.hawkee.com).
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Presi- |asha : ok tx :: i'll wait here !!!
TheBarron |I just thought they could've made better decisions where they DID
TheBarron |or just asked for help :)
«Quit» |AcE (JAbitz@pC19F482F.dip.t-online.de) has signed off (Client
|exiting).
asha |TheBarron: As could we all from time to time. Understanding is a
|really good place to be.:)
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asha |TheBarron: Since you're not here and don't know whether they
|asked for help etc., perhaps you're not in a good place to
|comment?
TheBarron |asha: help from AmigaNet is what I meant
RMerlin |Gary asked
asha |TheBarron: Same comment applies no?
«DCC» |Sending DCC SEND offer for file "Ram Disk:amirc2html.rexx" to
|Drool.
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Presi- |http://www.zdnet.com/pcweek/news/0629/01eoem.html M$ SUXXX
«DCC» |Starting DCC SEND of file "Ram Disk:amirc2html.rexx" to Drool.
TheBarron |RMer: I thought you said they didn't :)
«DCC» |DCC SEND of file "Ram Disk:amirc2html.rexx" to Drool complete,
|1795 bytes, 598 cps.
RMerlin |TheBarron: I didn't even said a word sinec I re-joined.
TheBarron |not this time, hoser :)
TheBarron |nevermind.. it's not like I care anyway :)
Jkay |Gary asked Mitch and I to help with the confs.
TheBarron |wow you guys have done a great job here
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TheBarron |Jkay: then where were you, man? ;)
«Kick» |TheBarron has been kicked out of this channel by AmiPPC: flood
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TheBarron |hehe
TheBarron |nice
TheBarron |very nice
Jkay |GROWL
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_ego |Does that thing decide a flood purely by number of lines sent?
«Quit» |Krausen (krausen@130.244.162.4) has signed off
|(http://www.amiga.com).
VideoTeck |lines sent i guess
«Quit» |Kyosuke_ (enrietti@mod20.msoft.it) has signed off (Leaving).
TheBarron |it may have been the speed of which I spent two subsequent lines
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|timeout for Womble[max142.public.ox.ac.uk]).
TheBarron |.
TheBarron |.
TheBarron |or not
Jkay |they are de-opd
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TheBarron |oh.. I was inthe other window :)
Merko |Probably because of lag.
TheBarron |last time it happened, I had a 1 sec ping to them
wurzel |In how many hours is the banquest tonight (in the UK, it's
|already night ;-)
_ego |There's something strangely hypnotic about that webcam. Its not
|like its showing anything THAT interesting, but I keep looking
|anyway. :)
Locutus |ego: voyeur :)
_ego |Locutus: Yeah so? :))
asha |Six hours 'til the banquet
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|down the Barriers).
Jkay |who is the speaker now?
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|timeout for fleg[ip60-217.cap.primenet.com]).
Jkay |at the banquet
asha |I'm going to walk over to the cam and wave at everyone. OK? :)
wurzel |asha: Thanks, you've been most kind. Guess I'll have to check in
|tomorrow.
asha |Jkay: Carl
_ego |Locutus: But lets face it, if thats the case there ae many more
|interesting addresses in WebTV for me :))
asha |Be right back.
_ego |asha: Cool
Yrag |what is the url for the webCam?
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«Nick» |asha is now known as TA.
jpawluk |http://www.amiga.org/webcam/
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|channel.
DFDuck |_ego: You think that cam is boring. I run a cam and its just me
|sitting looking at my computer all day. Now "thats" boring ¦>
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Jkay |lostman is never boring
Jkay |see?
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TheBarron |he has a pair of Amiga sunglasses on
Drool |DrFraggle: Cool. I just saw that movie last night :)
_ego |DFDuck: Yes, you're right it is. Why do you do it? ;))
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DrFraggle |Amiga has made a movie? ;)
DFDuck |_ego: Because I write the webcam engine and its the only way I
|can test it.
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_ego |DFDuck: How boringly reasonable ;-))
TheBarron |yeah
TheBarron |you suck
TA |We have a gentleman here who is outside council to Cybertrackers.
|They are trying to clean up some of the web sites who take pics
|of stars have them altered then post them.
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DFDuck |_ego: Reasonably boring, yes. The first 6 days I ran it on my
|localhost web server (that I also write myself) and got over 1000
|hits. Gack
«Nick» |TA is now known as CyberTrac.
NEO |What's ASHA!?
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RMerlin |"What" might not be the right word ;)
DrFraggle |Seems to be a long way to the cam...
Locutus |DFDuck: enforcer hits?!
[Vader] |lol
Drool |I want to have a "Paint Drying Cam". Ofcourse each week it will
|be different colour
NEO |RMerlin: What is it then!?
_ego |DFDuck: Which just goes to prove what a bunch of sad geeks
|internet users are. Apart from me of course ;)
RMerlin |NEO: A human being
RMerlin |Something thta walks on two legs
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RMerlin |Made of living cells
NEO |RMerlin: ROTFL... Oki... What's so gr8 about him then? =)
RMerlin |Comes in various shapes and colors
DrFraggle |He`s a her
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NEO |God damn...
RMerlin |That one is a female specimen
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NEO |Oki... What's so gr8 about HER then? =)
RMerlin |Meaning she can bread
DFDuck |Locutus: No.. but I did crash a number of times, so I moved it to
|a remote web site. My little peanut whistle couldn't handle that
|much traffic.
Drool |RMerlin: I'm worried now. None of that desrcibes me
wurzel |Quick question from a newbie - I thought AmIRC was supposed to
|"TAB" through names? Mine isn't.
RMerlin |Drool: Shit happens. :)
Drool |:)
Locutus |DFDuck: say... what kind of internet connection do you have?
|peanuts? :)
Amicus |Hello!!!!!
CyberTrac |My name is Mitchell Kamarck, an intellectual property attorney at
|Rosenfeld, Meyer & Susman in Beverly Hills, California. As
|outside counsel of Cubertrackers, I am responsible for handling
|the litigation for Cybertrackers' clients; the most noteworthy
|being Alyssa Milano. The principle purpose of Cubertrackers is to
|police how a celebrity's image is used on the web and intervene as
|necessary.
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DFDuck |Locutus: A slow machine and a slow net connection. I live waaay
|out in the woods and make my own electricity.
NEO |Hey hey.,.,. Have anything happened at the SHOW!?
Amicus |The PPc can be a REAL standard?
«Quit» |CyborJim (jimvideo@206.155.34.80) has signed off (Demo timeout).
Yrag |...how often does the WebCam get updated?
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TheBarron |30 secs
DFDuck |Every 30 seconds I'm told.
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|channel.
Jkay |CuberTrackers?
Locutus |DFDuck: do you bottle it yourself too? :)
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TheBarron |utoh.. something happened to the cam
ko |oi piru =)
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VideoTeck |chan-flood trip limit in amippc fixed !!
CyberTrac |If you wish to learn more about cybertrackers, please visit its
|website at cyber-trackers.com. Additionally, to learn more about
|intellectual property issues that relate to the web, visit my
|firms site (and my page) at rmslaw.com.
Drool |JKay: They prefer round objects over square ones
«OP» |VideoTeck gives channel operator status to AmiPPC
«OP» |AmiPPC gives channel operator status to Amires
Yrag |TheBarron: great stuff
DFDuck |Locutus: Bwahahah. No.. just bottle my own beer.
Locutus |CyberTrac: what are you doing at an amiga show?
VideoTeck |as well as the other limits, they all was in 0:0 ;)
_ego |NEO: The webcam is AT the show
Jkay |If Alyssa didnt want her image to be on the INternet, she
|shouldnt have done all of those soft porn movies after her boob
|job.
DrFraggle |NEO: no news, someone said perhaps after the banquet
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NEO |_ego: Who cares... It dosn't tell me about the future.. Just
|shows me some REALLY ugley faces! =)
CyberTrac |I was asked to attend the Amiga show in order to discuss
|Cybertrackers work as many members have expressed an interest in
|Cybertracker's work.
Mawrick |DrF: When is the banquet?
NEO |DrFraggle: Oki.. Thnx! =) When, in how many hours, are that? =)
TheBarron |Many members?
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|channel.
_ego |NEO: Yeah well we can't tell you what we haven't been told. NO
|AInc annoucements. Now let us get back to having fun
VideoTeck |thebarron: the limits are now 40 inputs in 10 sek. Anoughf ?
Jkay |hmm .. is the cam stalled?
CyberTrac |Asha asks, "Did you see me wave at you?"
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DrFraggle |Mawrick: Definitely when i lie in my bed and sleep :)
TheBarron |video: what was it before?
NEO |_ego: Oki... =) Thnx =)
MrPOP |well i`v been here for over 4hours and nothing realy werth
|staying online for so far
scuz |TRue: The show is full of negitivity!
fibbs |MrPOP: its 9am here.. :)
Jkay |tell asha the cam is stuck
Mawrick |Dr: Is it tonight???...:)
VideoTeck |thabarron: it was 0 input in 0 sek ;D
al^Thor |nope
VideoTeck |thebarron: like a rushian rulett :)
fibbs |Who's been interviewed today?
«Nick» |CyberTrac is now known as Asha.
Jkay |they recycled carl s
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TheBarron |video: wouldn't that just set it at a default?
Asha |fibbs: At the moment Carl Sassenrath is talking
«Quit» |Drool (SPlayer@ppp38.a1.du.execulink.com) has signed off (Read
|error to Drool[ppp38.a1.du.execulink.com]: Connection reset by
|peer).
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|exiting... CUL8R).
Jkay |re asha. the cam is stuck :/
«Quit» |johnh (JohnHaubri@tnt-01-203.kc.net) has signed off (Connecting
|to a different server).
TheBarron |asha: never saw you..
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Asha |Jkay: Sorry, wish I could fix it
Amicus |CARL? where?
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Mawrick |Could anyone please tell me when an eventually anouncement will
|be made in CET???
Amicus |who have the site of the cam?
Asha |Amicus: Right over there ----->
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VideoTeck |thebarron: the problem was that this isn't the base channel in
|the eggrop but a new one. you have to set your own settings
|there, they dont get default as in the base channel
Asha |Amicus: UGN
al^Thor |Asha, you break the cam?
al^Thor |;)
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Asha |al^Thor: Not me!
Jkay |someone using the nick "AmiWest" set me this text .. "I need you
|man!" .. then nothing else. like 5 minutes ago.
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|RMerlin[linux.tc3net.com]: EOF from client).
Ginko |CyberTrac: So what type of "usage" are you looking for?
TheBarron |Video: ok..
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«Nick» |Asha is now known as cybertrac.
TheBarron |he gets paid to view porn :)
[Vader] |JKay: AmiWest (tekmage@sac15-99.calweb.com) has signed off (Ping
|timeout for AmiWest[sac15-99.calweb.com]). on AMIWEST98
Jkay |bingo
Jkay |yeah, I know who the account belongs to :)
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Jkay |but I cant think of why he would send that
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|poing[a-ve7-31.tin.it]: Connection reset by peer).
chameleo |cybertrac: http://www.cyber-trackers.com/ (and no www) Host not
|found (authoritative)
«Quit» |LowLevel (ealtavil@ppp28-pa3.neomedia.it) has signed off (Demo
|timeout).
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Amicus |Barron here we must speak of Amiga :-)
[Vader] |Jkay: i was more trying to say he wasn't online thats why you
|haven't heard from him :)
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Ginko |So he is looking for the fake celebrity porn, or real porn being
|used illegally?
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|channel.
scuz |he is looking for porn in general.
Locutus |fake celebrity pics
Jkay |Arent we all
Locutus |scuz: i know i am ;)
TheBarron |I would think the latter
Drool |I should register Miami one of these days
Amicus |How is speaking now?
Ginko |Ahhhhh....
cybertrac |We track various uses of the celebrity's name or image. For
|instance, many sites will employ a celebrity's name in the
|metatags or in spamdexes to attract users to a site simply to
|create impressions. For instance, there is a punk rock band in
|New Jersey who used Alyssa Milano's name in theri tags; why, I'm
|not real
cybertrac |ly certain. This is discussed in greater detail in my recent
|article "Empowering Celebrity's In Cyberspace" available at my
|website: rmslaw.com and Cybertracker's website:
|cyber-trackers.com.
«Nick» |cybertrac is now known as Asha.
DFDuck |Amicus: Are you Redwood Empire Dave S. ?
TheBarron |How exactly is that illegal?
CyborJim |"Celebrity Deathmatch"
Drool |We are being Solicited to death
Amicus |Where is Holger? :)
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Asha |Amicus: He's sitting at his booth last time I looked
Amicus |DFDuck: noooo, i'm italian :)
Mawrick |anyone know when the banquet is going to be in CET???
Drool |Amicus: I seem to take forever for mail regs
TheBarron |Hey.. if everyone else is soliticiting, why not me? :)
VideoTeck |aaaand amires fixed, no more problems should happen !
_ego |TheBarron: The celebs names are probably trademarks or something
|:)
Asha |Mawrick: 5 hours
chameleo |CT: I have a similar prob with my site - no stars though
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Jkay |VT: Ok
TheBarron |ego: I hardly see how that is possible
Amicus |I'm going to buy a PPC card :)
Mawrick |ok, thanks!!
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DFDuck |Amicus: Ok, thanks. Was curios. The originator of the REAUG used
|the handle Amicus.
Ginko |Cybertrac: How was your job affected by the Playboy -vs- ex
|centerfold case?
Eric-75 |CYbertrac: Alyssa Milano is Copyright ?
TheBarron |ego: I guess you're screwed if your mom names you the same as a
|celeb, eh?
Asha |Amicus: Why?
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_ego |TheBarron: Well I know that their likenesses are often
|trademarked thus comics etc can't use them without a license
Womble |Eric-75: Essentially it's a trademark
Amicus |What is REAUG?
Ginko |It also gets into libel and a number of other areas...
Amicus |To play with quake an arteffect :)
Asha |I have Gary fanning me (it's so hot here!) (giggle)
Piru_mirc |hm btw anyone overclocked their ppc ? if you have / know someone
|who has, msg me:)
DFDuck |Amicaus: It is one of the users groups sponsering AmiWest. From
|Santa Rosa California.
Amicus |ah
Womble |Asha: Tell Gary to stand in front of the bloody webcam! And to
|fix it!
Amicus |I have this nick since '96 !
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|for MrPOP[asn15-16.mcmail.com]).
«Nick» |Asha is now known as cybertrac.
Drool |It is supposed to be Salutations not Solicitations :)
_bladez_ |are the conferences happening here ?
KarlosI |Asha: hehe
Ginko |Cybertrac: How was your job affected by the Playboy -vs- ex
|centerfold case?
TheBarron |bladez: we had Carl earlier
DFDuck |Amicaus: He started the group in (if I remember correctly.. I was
|at the first metting) mid '86.
fibbs |TheBarron: cool! got a log?
Amicus |haaah :))))
chameleo |CT: I have a similar prob with my site - no stars though
Eric-75 |Womble: also it's not possible to get the name "Alyssa Milano" at
|my female dog , and a picture of my dog on the web ? :-)
TheBarron |uh.. no.. could probably make one, but I crashed..
DrFraggle |TheBarron: Had we??
cybertrac |We use a number of legal theories to protect the celebrity's
|image including trademark, copyright and the right of publicity.
DFDuck |maybe that was mid '87. My teflon® brain I don't remember.
Jkay |someone let someone ELSE know that the cam has been stalled for
|an half hour
_bladez_ |TB: what did he say ... i was away watching the football :(
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_bladez_ |Croatia got third place ... woooohoooo !!!! =)
fibbs |Anyone got a log of Carl?
TheBarron |he said "REBOL is great"
TheBarron |heh
fibbs |TRue? :)
_ego |eric-75: If you weren't doing it for commercial gain I doubt
|there would be a problem.
_bladez_ |tb: lol
wurzel |What is the location and name of the Webcam? I'm using WebTV
|(just downloaded from Aminet)
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Jkay |note: dont point the webcam at CyberTrac .. he'll sue us :)
_bladez_ |tb: and that it will the next OS kernal for the amiga =]
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Womble |_bladez_: Don't call him TB... that's Wayne Martin...!
Womble |_bladez_: You'll confuse everyone
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DFDuck |wurzel: Server: www.amiga.org Filename: /webcam/cam.jpg
_bladez_ |womble: ok
_bladez_ |theb then :)
TheBarron |there ya go
TheBarron |I lost "TB" when that hoser started loging on :)
cybertrac |Actually, we are less interested in suing and more interested in
|educating sites regarding intellectual property issues.
TheBarron |loging
TheBarron |I'm screwed today :)
Womble |cybertrac: What's this got to do with the Amiga?
KarlosI |TheB: You sukz! ;)
taza |Womble: Nothing... ;)
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|timeout for Matthijs[dbppp062.bio.vu.nl]).
TheBarron |cybertrac: and if it's being used, but not for financial gain?
|Just the name, that is.. say in a metatag
TheBarron |you suck
cybertrac |KarlosI: Watch it
«Nick» |cybertrac is now known as Asha.
TheBarron |Karlos: nice avoidance there :)
KarlosI |hehhee
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KarlosI |Asha: watch what?
TheBarron |cybertrac: no.. he was indeed careful :)
taza |Womble: But if YOU ever become FAMOUS you can call them... :)
wurzel |DFDuck: Thanks, got it now :)
Asha |Womble: The user groups asked that CyberTrax come
_ego |Womble: Well Amiga's are computers and they are used to create
|websites (well you asked ;)
Asha |KarlosI: Your language. :)
TheBarron |I think she meant Womble
Womble |_ego: That's a little tenuous...
Womble |taza: Pardon?
TheBarron |oh
KarlosI |Asha: It's a common thing between me and thebarron!! ;)
Womble |asha: To talk about this? Hmm...
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TheBarron |we're sensoring 'you suck'?
taza |Womble: Then they can track down sites with YOUR name on them...
|:)
Womble |taza: What's that to do with the Amiga?
taza |Barron: NO, we already KNOW you do... ;)
TheBarron |Yeah.. if anyone uses my name, I'm suing!!!!
TheBarron |err... censoring
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«Nick» |KarlosI is now known as TheBarrin.
Asha |C'mon folks....there are a lot better places for that kind of
|stuff than here...
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TheBarrin |Asha: Okie...I'll behave, just for you!! ;)
«Nick» |TheBarrin is now known as KarlosI.
Asha |TheBarrin: How bout changing your nick to something I can tab
|easier
taza |Asha: Speaking of better places, seen anything else interesting ?
_bladez_ |darn the web cam is dead again :/
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Zimba |re Elfe
Asha |taza: Like what?
T-Rex |Asha, just call him Bar or something.
taza |Asha: Miami Deluxe Demo ? :)
TheBarron |T-Rex: wrong person
TheBarron |T-Rex: that was Karlos :)
Elfe |Zimba: re?
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Locutus |yeah, is holger there?
«OP» |AmiPPC gives channel operator status to Echo_TA
TheBarron |If you're gonna call _me_ something other than TheBarron, TheB
|works nicely :)
T-Rex |BArron: eh?
Asha |taza: Don't know if there's a demo, but I paid for my upgrade.
sadams |re all
Asha |Holger is here (sitting at his booth last time I looked)
TheBarron |trex: nevermind :)
taza |Asha: Yes, but he mentioned on his web page that he was planning
|to show off a DEMO of Miami Deluxe...
KarlosI |TheBarron: hehe
taza |Asha:
Asha |TheBarron: Easier to just type the first few letters and hit tab
|:)
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redteo |all: new libs for p5 accellerator cards se the ftp server
beezo |whats the point of miami deluxe?
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|error to Zimba[ppp43-34.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de]: EOF from client).
TheBarron |asha: no.. I understood the difficulty :)
sadams |Locutus?
Jkay |any idea regarding why the cam is down for so long this time?
KarlosI |beezo: It's basically an AMiga Server
Womble |redteo: The libraries of the day?
d9090 |Asha.. thanks. I'm a newbie..
Asha |Jkay: I'm too far away to know what the problem is
sadams |d9090: u in here?
«Netsplit»|Netsplit detected between servers thule.no.amiganet.org and
|linux.us.amiganet.org.
«Netsplit»|Users gone due to netsplit: rewdl AAlleyAwa HMetal froilan
|CyborJim RMerlin
Asha |d9090: Any problems just ask. :)
TheBarron |I thought much of the point was being able to run multiple stacks
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_bladez_ |oooopppppsssss
Jkay |multiple interfaces
redteo |woble . 060 44.4 ppc 46.18
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_bladez_ |thebarron: it would be wicked being able to run multiple stacks
|:)
d9090 |sadams.. ya..das be me.. guess some of those non-AmigaNet
|connections were bogus.
KarlosI |oooh netsplits....weeeeee
beezo |if u want to run multiple, then run amitcp
Locutus |and has he ficed lan access yet?
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beezo |it handles multi stacks and multi protocols
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TRue |Someone asked me about REBOL. Just waking up and missed it.
|Anyway, there are those who know more about it than I. I'm not an
|Alpha tester.
sadams |d9090: yeah, who knew!
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KarlosI |amitcp: sukz compare to miami
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|HMetal[wnd1-40.netrover.com]: Connection reset by peer).
Riley |any news today??
RAG |is there a web page with scripts of what have been said in this
|channel during conferences?
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sadams |d9090: this methinks is too fat!
beezo |karlos, why cause you are to dumb to configure it?
Echo_TA |Rag: If my bot would log right, yes
beezo |rag, there is nothing you missed really
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Echo_TA |I'm about to bring it over here...
TheBarron |beezo: ever considered wording a comment without insulting
|someone/thing? :)
redteo |rileu: new libs for p5 accellerator cards
d9090 |sadams.. pretty busy.. isn
RAG |oki...
GGS |hi everybody
beezo |tb, never, thats ALL I ever hear about amitcp
_ego |TheBarron: It would ruin his "tosser" image :)
Winter0 |Asha?
KarlosI |beezo: I sitck the KISS formula...thank you!!!!
d9090 |'t thi the moderated one?
Winter0 |who is Asha? :)
Riley |redteo: now available?
RAG |so the phone hasn't rung then? :)
RMerlin |A female specimen of the human race
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KarlosI |beezo: I stick to the KISS formula...thank you!!!!
Winter0 |RMerlin: uh.. ok
DrFraggle |Rag: no .(
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|Amicus[194.20.210.19], closing link).
TheBarron |rmer: heh.. problems with repeating? :)
beezo |karlos, sure whatever that is supposed to mean
Asha |Winter0: I am (giggle)
KarlosI |Why waste time on fonifiguring a application when you don't have
|to?
d9090 |RMerlin .. speciwoman? :-)
sadams |hi Asha
[Vader] |JKay: AmiWest is back on #AMIWEST98 if you want to ask him what
|he wanted :^)
Asha |sadams: HI!
DFDuck |I'm logging this in amirc. And have a slick little rexx script
|that converts ugly amirc logs to readable html (also readable in
|text viewer). If anyone wants it...
KarlosI |beezo: you don't know the the kiss formula?
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Jkay |Asha is an original member of the Amiga community, a member of
|Team Amiga and a Force of Nature on the Fidonet Amiga areas
_ego |Karlosl: Well some of us sad people actually do it for fun ;)
sadams |hi Darxide
Echo_TA |ooop
Echo_TA |wierd
sadams |Asha: havin' fun yet?
Asha |Jkay: Thank you (*giggle*)
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Echo_TA |I thought that nick was already taken...
beezo |dfduck, oh but with rebol u can do that in 2 lines, or so its
|made out to sound
Asha |sadams: Yup
KarlosI |ego: your welcome but having to it still sukz for me!!
Echo_TA |and that I had changed ot
beezo |I think REBOL is nothing more than another script language that
|is simplified
«Nick» |Echo_TA is now known as Dave_C.
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Darx1de |How rude, Romaz just left without saying *anything* to us!
DFDuck |beezo: I don't have REBOL. So I use arexx.
beezo |and who the hell wants to memorize another 1,000 commands
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Asha |beezo: Obviously you don't know whereof you speak
_ego |Karlosl: I generally agree with you
TheBarron |beezo: maybe.. but do you know that? don't think so
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RMerlin |Ugh
_bladez_ |closeup of someone on the web cam :)
VideoTeck |hehe dancerc in here to ;)
RMerlin |The bot isn't properly configured
GGS |does anyone know the address of the webcam?
Jkay |the guy in front of the cam with the vandyke looks familliar ..
|who is he?
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RMerlin |Dave_C: Bring Gary back a m inute
T-Rex |beezo: you need to do more research then.
TheBarron |Who brings these bots in here? :)
VideoTeck |not me
«Quit» |AmiPPC (video@mainframe.sysedata.no) has signed off (Ping timeout
|for AmiPPC[mainframe.sysedata.no]).
beezo |I will bet all of you one million dollars that REBOL goes no
|where
Darx1de |How rude, AmiPPC just left without saying *anything* to us!
«Quit» |Amires (video@mainframe.sysedata.no) has signed off (Ping timeout
|for Amires[mainframe.sysedata.no]).
Darx1de |How rude, Amires just left without saying *anything* to us!
_ego |Asha: You've only just worked that out? ;)
beezo |unfortunately
KarlosI |beezo: before you criticize something wait until you've actually
|seen it and used it!! :+/
Yrag |WebCam seems to work, again...
Riley |www.amiga.org/webcam
VideoTeck |but mine went out, yeah i have a great shell ;D
TheBarron |kick it out or turn of talk mode
beezo |I WANT it to do good, but with M$ in the way, no one can
|compete!!
GGS |thx
Dave_C |hmmm
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«Nick» |Asha is now known as TA.
RMerlin |TA: Check the 'set" flags
KarlosI |Gary
RMerlin |TA: Or give me access so I can set them
Yrag |The WebCam seems to be fixed, again
«OP» |TA gives channel operator status to RMerlin
RMerlin |TA: Access on the bot I meant
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KarlosI |Yrag: no their doing that now
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|for Ginko[tpafx1-47.gate.net]).
Darx1de |How rude, Ginko just left without saying *anything* to us!
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Darx1de |How rude, poing just left without saying *anything* to us!
Dave_C |darx nick Darx_TA
«Nick» |Darx1de is now known as Darx_TA.
VideoTeck |humm if mine was not setup, dancers without setup is hell
TheBarron |uhm
DrFraggle |Darx_TA: turn off that script :(
TheBarron |Video: heh
KarlosI |Darx is a bot
Darx_TA |I'm just here to LOG... Do Not op me please
VonWalker |re
TheBarron |Video: just friendly ;)
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VideoTeck |thebarron: yeye ;)
Winter0 |hey, AmigaMMC
Winter0 |:)
Dave_C |darx shutup
Darx_TA |Ok Dave_C, I'll shut up now
TheBarron |TA: take it out of channel until it's configed? :)
AmigaMMC |Hello!
«Topic» |TA sets topic to Chris Aldi on Finale
AmigaMMC |Did Sun call Ai, yet? ;-)
KarlosI |Hmm going moderated are w!!
Winter0 |AmigaMMC: hehehe... i don't think the magic phone call has been
|made yet.
KarlosI |Wish it were though
Winter0 |no kidding.
AmigaMMC |So no news at all? (just finished working)
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Winter0 |i came on here specifically to find out news... and it looks like
|there isn't any. bleh.
sadams |gotz
TheBarron |Chris is _on_ Finale? :)
KarlosI |Winter: SHouldn't have don't expect any till November
TA |AmigaMMC: There is no NEW news from AI. There is some news from
|the amiga community.
Locutus |isn't that bill?
Winter0 |KarlosI: hahahaha
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VideoTeck |=/&%(&() shellserver pc's you know
«OP» |VideoTeck gives channel operator status to AmiPPC
AmigaMMC |I was thinking that Sun is what we need, not because Java is
|better than Linux or BeOS but because Sun would be a great
|support because of their reputation.
KarlosI |I'm Serious...
sadams |there was word of Carl S.having gas, but it's not confirmed
«OP» |AmiPPC gives channel operator status to Amires
AmigaMMC |TA: what's the news from the Amiga Community?
TA |Caldi's luggae went to Los Angeles. They gave him frequent flyer
|miles for the luggage.
beezo |sun gets crushed by M$ all the time
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Darx_TA |How rude, ^Moridin just left without saying *anything* to us!
«Quit» |Presi- (~rafpis@194.183.1.159) has signed off (Kuang Eleven
|Terminating).
Darx_TA |How rude, Presi- just left without saying *anything* to us!
TheBarron |joy
VonWalker |Just the same, nothin
beezo |just like how sun lost thier law suit against M$
Dave_C |hold on all
TA |AmigaMMC: Olaf Barthel has redone the Developer CD and AI has
|just recieved it. It has bugfixed code and bugfixed RKM's.
«Ban» |RMerlin sets ban on Darx_TA!*@*
KarlosI |Darx: your asking for a kick!!
RMerlin |That oughta silence it...
beezo |it doesnt matter what ANYONE does, until the M$ building and MANY
|people are Assasinated at M$, we will go no where
Dave_C |I'm working on it...
Dave_C |I've been asked for logs.
_bladez_ |ta: cool .. when is it being released.
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Dave_C |the bot is easiest
_ego |beezo: My you're cheerful
TA |Dave Haynie has released into th ePD thru Team AMIGA and Thule,
|some of his works. They are available at
|http://www.thule.no/haynie
VideoTeck |dave_c: amirc is easiest
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TheBarron |actually, logging from a client is easiet..
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TheBarron |I would have logs of Carl, but Karlos crashed me :)
sadams |Joe?
Dave_C |except when you have 15 windows and 4 clients up...
Dave_C |trust me.
DrFraggle |TA: Aren`t they now intellectual proprties of AI?
Dave_C |I HAVE a log of Carl.
sadams |Joe Torre?
DrFraggle |just wondering...
KarlosI |TB: hehe sorry
VideoTeck |dave_c: shut down 14 windows and 3 clients ;)
TheBarron |never presented a problem for me.. seperate logs for seperate
|windows :)
AmigaMMC |Is Gary around?
Dave_C |It's crashed me over and over
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sadams |It's all too much
TA |DrFraggle: No, these were works by Dave himself after or prior to
|his work for C= including some of the non-financed projects.
sadams |For me to take
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fibbs |TA: such as?
«Lag» |Server finally answered; total server lag was 13.5s
sadams |The love that shines all around here
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TheBarron |sadams: shove it ;)
VonWalker |bye ppl
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sadams |And everywhere is piece of cake
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_ego |sadams: Actually this is the most peaceful Amiga IRC conf I've
|seen in a long time :)
sadams |So take a piece
sadams |But not too much
VonWalker |where
beezo |that's cause I aint talking
mikester |Is the WEBCam working yet?
TA |Caldi is demo'ing New York to a projector screen and explaining
|how it works.
d9090 |all.. Carl S. is on #amiwest98 .. fyi
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|down@@@).
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sadams |ego: really?
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Yrag |amiogammc: Gary who?
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KarlosI |invite Carl S here
KarlosI |Gary Peake
_ego |sadams: Yup, haven't seen an outright fight break out tonight.
CyborJim |Yes, the WebCam is working. Does aeverybody in Sacromento carry
|around a backpack?
TA |Carl S will try to be back in a few. He is wanting to give equal
|time to all.
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RMerlin |_ego: Welcome to Amiganet. :)
KarlosI |TA: ah
RMerlin |_ego: Takeovers are about impossible as one
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|error to LowLevel[ppp28-pa3.neomedia.it]: Connection reset by
|peer).
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HMetal |How about unbanning Darx_TA's host now so that Dave can get some
|decent logs for the compan(y|ies) he's working for/with?
mikester |Whats the URL? for the WeBCam?
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RMerlin |HMetal: The ban prevents it from talking
RMerlin |HMetal: ircdu feature
TheBarron |ban doesn't prevent it from seeing
TheBarron |just talking
DFDuck |Server: www.amiga.org Filename: /webcam/cam.jpg
Womble |TA: Some of those docs were secret to Commodore. They aren't
|Dave's property. But who cares now?
HMetal |Oh, it is here.. Ok, thanks.
Dave_C |HM: The bot's back
_ego |RMerlin: Yeah but even the absence of takeovers doesn't stop
|fights Not usually anyway. :)
TA |mikester: Casey Halverson is going to set up our cam either this
|afternoon or tonight. He wants to also do some audio and video
|streaming and other examples of what Amiga's can do. So he is
|getting all that ready.
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_ego |If you think the webcam is dull, check out cowcam ;)
HMetal |Ok Dave.. I wasn't aware.. I was in that "other" channel. :)
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VideoTeck |ta: great
Dave_C |it was a kick, not a ban
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Dave_C |I was doing the 'set' commands at the time
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RMerlin |_ego: Hard to fight when theere's nothing even announced at all.
|Unless someone starts a MOOEY or a webbrowser fight.
_ego |Oh look, someone's strangling the webcam
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Scorpio |ok ladies and gentlemen any news so far?
HMetal |ok.. np then.
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Tolkien |Hi Amigans, any news?
TA |Casey has several 'gadgets' attached to this computer as we type.
|He says he is teaching a little program he has how irc works. I
|have no idea what he plans to do with this. But it shoul dbe
|interesting.
KarlosI |Gary?
_ego |RMerlin: Now there's a thought. MUI sux! ;))
RMerlin |WowTIP: No need to, there's no speaking guests right now.
TA |KarlosI: Yes?
WowTIP |RMerlin: K... :)
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beezo |MUI sux for one reason only, it's ONLY 68000 code
CyborJim |_ego: YES!!! You are right!
GGS |beezo: register!
«Nick» |TA is now known as asha.
Yrag |KarlosI: Yes, but it's Gary Coleman
_ego |GGS: Still 68000 code
HMetal |TA: Is that you Gary? Did Scott make it?
Locutus |beezo: that's hardly a "sucking" reason
VonWalker |how can you see the web cams without an Amiga
Womble |ggs: The 68020+ version has never been released
«Topic» |asha sets topic to Asha Empress of all TA is back!
AmigaMMC |Hi scorpio. Yes, it's been confirmed, the maker of the mega chip
|is Frito Lay. ;-)
Womble |VonWalker: Just go there with any browser
KarlosI |TA is gary Peake I thought?
TheBarron |Carl looks like a Baptist preacher or something :)
VonWalker |doh
asha |TA is/was Gary Peake, yes
_ego |VonWalker: Any browser will do it
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HMetal |Hey Asha! :)
asha |TheBarron: You think so? I think he's good looking
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asha |Hey HMetal !!
HMetal |How goes, babe?
Womble |Carl is James Bond
Womble |I thought everyone knew that
RMerlin |I thought it was Torre?
asha |Womble: You're not supposed to tell anyone!
RMerlin |After all, Torree is the woman hunter out there
KarlosI |Asha: Ask Gary if he want's help with the iCOA site?
mikester |Now thats better. What so they have the WEBcam hooked up to?
AmigaMMC |True: Hi Tim, good to "see" you. How's the VIC?
TheBarron |asha: I didn't say he was ugly.. it's just a look he has..
asha |KarlosI: Yes
KarlosI |Ashs: Tell him I'm willing to help volunatrily!! ;)
asha |TheBarron: Guess I'm not up on my Babtist preacher looks
RMerlin |TheBarron: Stick to analyzing women anatomy man before you put
|your foot in your own mouth. :)
asha |KarlosI: Will tell him later...he's on a break
Dave_C |ask the webcam folks to readjust the cam... getting ugly lens
|flares
KarlosI |Asha: k thanx
asha |Dave_C: Can't from here
TRue |AmigiMMC: Hi, IQ is in v0.3 :)
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KarlosI |K no offense but this web cam sukx!! :+/
Dave_C |I know you can't be you can send a gopher that way... 8^)
asha |(sent my assistant to talk to the cam folks)
«DEOP» |RMerlin removes channel operator status from RMerlin
Dave_C |hehehe
_ego |Karlosl: If you think this is bad, check out cowcam in the Misc
|list in WebTV. Now that is DULL
KarlosI |ego: no that's butt ugly
WowTIP |Where is the webcam?
RMerlin |At the show
asha |WowTIP: It's in the other room
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WowTIP |Yeah, but URL?
AmigaMMC |True: proceeding a warp speed, eh?
asha |WowTIP: don't have the URL on hand and Gary's off taking a break
WowTIP |asha: K... Thx anyway..
KarlosI |Engage Warp Factor 3.1!!
_bladez_ |wow: www.amiga.org
chameleo |http://www.amiga.org/webcam/webcamimage.html
AmigaMMC |WowTIP: www.amiga.org/webcam
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WowTIP |Thx all! :)
VonWalker |whats the URL where the web cam pics are?
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TheBarron |uh.. like several people just told you
KarlosI |Von: Scroll bakc for cripes sakes!!
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_bladez_ |read the topic on #amiwest98 :)
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«Lag» |Server finally answered; total server lag was 13.3s
_ego |People seem to be gathering round something there
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|error to MuadDib[yunus.cmpe.boun.edu.tr]: EOF from client).
KarlosI |okay we have acrowd hovering around the cmaera
AmigaMMC |KarlosI: let's jump to Warp5.0, instead
TheBarron |beezo: REBOL author in #amiwest98 if you're so smart
RMerlin |We just like to eat on the channel. :)
AmigaMMC |;-)
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mikester2 |Any word on the BoXer board?
asha |Gary is going to try running in front of the webcam....Keep your
|eyes peeled
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_ego |WowTIP: Of course its not informative. Its a webcam ;)
WowTIP |asha: Kewl... :)
Jkay |mikester: with no more 680x0's from Motorola EVER, it doesnt look
|good
chameleo |Goodnight - the sun has come up and its time to retreat - have
|fun
KarlosI |AmigaMMC: Sorry Captian, but we won't have that technology till
|Winter of 1999!!
asha |G'night chameleo :)
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Yrag |try amiga.org/webcam/
Locutus |JKay: what?
«Lag» |Server finally answered; total server lag was 16.8s
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mikester2 |Jkay: Really? Since when? I missed reading something?
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WowTIP |_ego: It's like Euronews - No comment... ;)
«Nick» |taza_ is now known as taz.
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KarlosI |Asha: tell them to correct the time on the webcam
asha |Jkay: Where did you hear that? Or are you saying no more
|DEVELOPMENT on that chip family?
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d9090 |JKay.. ditto.. where'dja hear that?
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asha |KarlosI: Please understand, I'm far far away from the cam.
|Someone on one of the other channels might be closer. Carl's
|over there chatting right now.
Crap | /join #amiwest98
AmigaMMC |KarlosI: use the deflector to set the cronometrics to StarDate
|15428.3 and open a temporal rift, then. We must have it NOW!!!
Jkay |asha: hrm .. from McEwen yesterday?
Jkay |hmm
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KarlosI |AMigaMMC: hehehe
RMerlin |Hey DarkZombi
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asha |Jkay: So does that mean if we need a new '040 or '060 we're SOL?
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AmigaMMC |asha: I heard that too, yesterday
RMerlin |DarkZombi: Waiting for supper to be ready? :)
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asha |AmigaMMC: I was driving down here yesterday, didn't hear anything
DarkZombi |RM: HEHE :)
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_ego |asha: It was pointed out that if there is a demand another
|company could feasibly license the right to make 680x0 chips
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asha |_ego: Great (I think)
RMerlin |It's BBS author day :þ
HMetal2 |8-P
_ego |asha: Its all kind of speculative though. I don't know how big
|the 680x0 market is these days. Still used in embedded stuff I
|believe
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mikester2 |DarkZombie: How's it going?
HMetal2 |DarkZombi? Whodat?
asha |_ego: I don't know either, though I was told it's in my Geo Prism
|somewhere. :)
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RMerlin |Now we need Grimmett :)
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DarkZombi |mikester2: Going good :)
AmigaMMC |_ego: IIRC, it was pointed out by someone who DOESN'T work for
|Motorola.
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HMetal2 |Jay.. E! guy eh?
asha |RMerlin: Wonder where the Jeffster is today...probably trying to
|hook up his second line. :)
_ego |AmigaMMC: Which is why I said feasibly, not WILL
mikester2 |Is Excelsior still going? I dropped my board long time ago.
F308gt4 |lo all
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F308gt4 |Mitchman: hi
Yrag |Grimmett make the show?
DarkZombi |mikester2: Nah, I moved on to bigger and better things :)
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mikester2 |Oh yeah? like what?
HMetal2 |All I know is CNet is going well.. :) tggh.net, amicon.net,
|vrb.com.. Lots of CNet's on the net.
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asha |Yrag: Nope, couldn't, just moved and then slashed his finger.
|They're still unpacking last time I spoke with him.
ActiveLow |HM: zellerzone.com ..8-)
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HMetal2 |AL! Hey mate!
RMerlin |[censored]
F308gt4 |ALL: is there any news I should be aware of?
KarlosI |RMerlin: I just remember my fature thanks to winter, is it
|possible to add a filter to filter out leaves and joins into
|mindlink...make it an option!!
HMetal2 |RMer: Is that the clipper script? ;)
DarkZombi |mikester2: Nothing I can talk about just yet.
RMerlin |KarlosI: User hooks already allow that.
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mikester2 |ok well good luck anyway.
F308gt4 |AmiNG: hi
MuadDib |Has Amiga Inc. announced their business partners?
Locutus |bbl
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asha |F308gt4: There is no real news yet. There's some interesting
|developments re:developer CDs and RKMs but nothing else yet.
|There will be a lot of speeches tonight at the banquet though. :)
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KarlosI |RM: good!! ;)
F308gt4 |MuadDib: have you got those funny eyes?
asha |Denny's here!!
Riley |when's the banquet?
asha |_ego: I agree!
VideoTeck |about the banquet, what is 7 PM over there in CET ? anyone who
|knows
MuadDib |I'm new on this spice thing. I use whale fur as of now.
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Womble |_ego: No, we should have a FAQs bot
TheBarron |ego: usually bots do that :)
HMetal2 |ego: You can create buttons for AmIRC.
asha |Riley: 4 hours from now
F308gt4 |asha: what is the news about RKM's and delveloper CD's?
Riley |asha: tnx
DFDuck |_ego: There's always the F-keys...
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AmigaMMC |ALL: any news about those 7 major software companies who have
|expressed interest in a new OS?
_ego |TheBarron: I loathe bots
mikester2 |I never got a answer from Jkay on Motorola chips. Does that mean
|Phase5 will be closing it doors and I'll never find an
|accelerator?
VideoTeck |asha: humm 4 am here then *yawn*
asha |F308gt4: Olaf has done major bugfixes for the Developer's CD as
|well as fixed a whole bunch of stuff in the RKMs
TheBarron |ego: you don't know good ones, then
_ego |TheBarron: Never ever seen an IRC bot that was even close to
|smart enough
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asha |AmigaMMC: No, some of the Amiga Inc guys are talking to them this
|weekend
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asha |VideoTeck: Ah well...
F308gt4 |asha: r the RKM's still OS2 and what kind of fixes in the CD?
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DFDuck |I don't care for bots either... but I write one.
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CyberWolf |Hi I've just joined! Any news from AI and the AMIWEST?
VonWalker |bye all
asha |F308gt4: Yes, still OS2. No description, just fixed everything
|he could find that needed it.
_ego |DFDuck: Any chance you'll include some basic AI in it?
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asha |CyberWolf: No news from AI 'til the banquet
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AmigaMMC |Asha: I think it's pretty astounding, I was expecting 3 or maybe
|4 major partners. Not 7 out of the 10 biggest. :-)))))
DFDuck |_ego: I have pondered that..but was afraid it would get smarter
|than me and take over my computer!
F308gt4 |asha: ok cool, how long before the banquet?
VideoTeck |asha: has bill spoken in the phone today then ? :)
PUNA |money talks
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CyberWolf |AmigaMMC: What is this about 7 partners out of 10?
Riley |amigammc: they hAVE NOT SIGNED YET
Snick |quit
_ego |DFDuck: LOL. You never know. I've always talked about writing a
|smart IRC bot, but I keep getting distracted with other things.
|Then I get distracted from those other things by other thoer
|things.... ;)
Riley |oops
asha |AmigaMMC: More is always better!
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AmigaMMC |Riley: I know, but the fact that they are interested in something
|else than Windows is positive. Sign people are getting tired of
|MicroSloth.
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beezo |amiga, i agree, as do a LOT of ceo's!!!
DFDuck |_ego: I've gotten distracted from mine.. writing web cam and
|playing with StrIcq. Been hacking away at my silly bot for over a
|year now. Had to take a break from it.
Riley |cyberwolf: Bill McEwen told yesterday that 7 out of 10 the
|biggest consumer electronics companies have comtacted him
AmigaMMC |Cyberwolf: AI said that 7 out of the 10 biggest Soft makers are
|interested in a new OS.
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Riley |amigammc: well that's nothing new
AmigaMMC |Riley: :-)
TheBarron |ah.. the rumors are already changing
_ego |DFDuck: yeah, I would never be able to program for money. I get
|bored to quickly. :)
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TheBarron |earlier, it was consumer electronics, now it's Soft
Eric-75 |For partners : SUN, ADOBE, NETSCAPE,...?
asha |TheBarron: That's the nature of rumors
VideoTeck |thebarron: hehe :)
AmigaMMC |Riley: the fact the they have contact AI and not the opposite is
|a good sign? isn't it?
CyberWolf |AmigaMMC: sounds great and postive! were there any names told?
DFDuck |_ego: Money? Whats that?
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Riley |amigammc: i know there has been morwe and more such companies
|lately
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Elfe |There´s a roumor in Germany about p5 going bankrupt. Does anybody
|know about?
PUNA |ne1 but M$
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Riley |amigammc: yes of course
asha |Elfe: Haven't heard that here
PUNA |Punky Brewster !
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AmigaMMC |I am quite sure SUN is in there: first place.
_ego |Anyone heard about M$ buying Be? ;)
asha |Did y'all see Gary on the Webcam?
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AmigaMMC |And Adobe.... see my post on csam
Riley |cyberwolf: you can always guess: Sony, Panasonic, Philips...
asha |He was the guy in glasses and a beard near Carl
PUNA |_ego: that don't surprise me
CyberWolf |Elfe: Phase 5 isn't bancrupt! They did just start shipping the
|CyberVision PPC
MiMe |Elfe: phase5 said this is _not_ true.
AmigaMMC |Riley: those are not big soft makers.
PUNA |they purt near bought everything else
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_ego |I wonder if people would believe me if I said that AInc was
|bankrupt? :))
AmigaMMC |Riley: at least they are not know mainly for soft
Elfe |asha:Seemed like some kinde of revenge of some people fired by
|WD.
Riley |amigammc: Bill said consumer electronics companies, not sw makers
asha |AmigaMMC: Rumor has it Sun is haveing problems (San Fran Chron
|Wednesday)
MiMe |CyberWolf: btw. new 060 and ppc libs on the phase5 server. and 2
|screenshots of the cybervision ppc!
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AmigaMMC |Ego: not a sible chance, we have the money of GW for 4 years
«Lag» |Server finally answered; total server lag was 13.3s
Elfe |CyberWolf:Yes, CVPPC are out. :)
d9090 |ELFe.. there's a post on ANN says it's just that.. a rumor.
|Unfounded.
asha |Elfe: Hard to know...not much P5 news here (or that I have heard)
_ego |AmigaMMC: Lets not let facts get in the way of my rumours
|thankyou. ;)
Caster |what's the url for the webcam?
DFDuck |_ego: Thats an old one. I started telling that Gateway went
|bankrupt the day after they got amiga. Lot of people believe it ¦)
AmigaMMC |Ego: sible=single
asha |DFDuck: And what positive purpose does that serve?
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MiMe |Caster: www.amiga.org/webcam/cam.jpg
AmigaMMC |Asha: Microsoft will too have problems. :-)
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Elfe |WD said p5 HP will be completly overdone in late July.
_ego |asha: It amuses the less gullible :)
Caster |MiMe: thanks
asha |AmigaMMC: I'm praying for it! (giggle)
AmigaMMC |Riley: I must re-read the log, then
PUNA |yes, we're use to rumors
PUNA |it's all we have left
AmigaMMC |Ego: LOL
F308gt4 |Elfe: what do u mean by p5 HP?
Ratleto |still no news?
DFDuck |* KarlosI set webcam refresh at 15 secs
HMetal2 |And the gulliable will drop their Amigas and go elsewhere.. So
|stupid-assed rumors serve no purpose. It simply reduces our
|numbers even more.
asha |PUNA: Not so...that's why we're here; to get FACTS and stop as
|much of the rumor and speculation as we can. It doens't help the
|Amiga. As a matter of fact, it probably hurts it.
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asha |HMetal2: Exactly!
MiMe |F308gt4: their homepage
asha |Ratleto: In about 4 hours
PUNA |asha: can't get worse
redteo |mime werei find cvppc photo?
AmigaMMC |DFDUCK: the Amiga curse. guess if we got it from playing Monkey
|island too much.
Ratleto |asha:ok
Elfe |F308gt4:WD told there will be an completly new HP in late July.
F308gt4 |mime: ta
Ratleto |that's laaaaate.. it'll be 4 am here
PUNA |where's the bandito when ya need him
asha |PUNA: It can always get worse. As Amiga supporters our jobs are
|to SUPPORT the platform, not tear it down with rumors
DFDuck |AmigaMMC: heheh
asha |Ratleto: Sorry...:)
HMetal2 |PUNA: Do you believe your own baloney?
PUNA |salami too
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MiMe |redteo: ftp.phase5.de/pub/phase5/ppc/cvppcscans.lha
HMetal2 |and as an Amiga Developer, less users mean less $$$ for us. What
|does that amount to? Lost developers.
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Ratleto |asha :-)
asha |Ratleto: :)
MiMe |redteo: quite small the card. funny thing.
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PUNA |do u think M$ is paying attention?
CyberWolf |Who's who in the cam pixture
asha |PUNA: Probably
TheBarron |Carl S
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MiMe |CyberWolf: i just wanted to ask...
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AmigaMMC |PUNA: M$ are too egocentric to pay attention to anything.
_ego |I think M$ probably has bigger things on its mind (3 lawsuits, NT
|5 late etc.)
MiMe |ey. drinking smth... eh?
PUNA |i hope so
beezo |and NT5 is getting SLAMMED BIG TIME!!!
asha |_ego: That's a bad assumption to make; they didn't get to be as
|big as they are by ignoring the market
PUNA |JR is on their case;)
AmigaMMC |PUNA: They are gonna cover their walls with mirrors, so they can
|watch themselves all day. Well, at least the programmers will
|stop watching out of the window(s).
Womble |asha: They drive the market with their sales tactics.
PUNA |it works too
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Riley |eventually MS loses it's market leading position
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_ego |asha: I didn't say they were ignoring the market. Just that they
|have other priorities at the moment
asha |Womble: And they buy out (or destroy) competitor as often as they
|find them, which means they're WATCHING
AmigaMMC |Asha: they got big driving small companies out of the market, now
|they try with the big ones.
asha |AmigaMMC: Exactly!
Scorpio |Ahem there should be ppl there from Computer Finesse with a video
|tape with around 2 minutes of Dick Vandyke little message to the
|Amiga community and to Amiga Inc., did that really happen?
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HMetal2 |asha: they got as big as they are by 1) buying everything that
|they wanted but couldn't (or didn't) create themselves and 2) by
|hiring top-notch CS grads. Even the first MS-DOS wasn't WRITTEN
|by them.
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asha |Scorpio: Haven't seen it...
«Nick» |HMetal2 is now known as HMetal.
asha |HMetal: :|
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Scorpio |Thanks for replying asha and the people at computer finesse
|assured me that they will post a transcript of that message along
|a possible RA or wave file for the message
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Scorpio |on their news web page
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asha |Scorpio: Do you know where it's to be posted?
PUNA |i hope all goes well, then i can finally get a A4000 for $10;)
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HMetal |PUNA: typical bottom-feeder mentality. :)
PUNA |hehehe
asha |PUNA: No more A4000's available from what I have read.
PUNA |u got dat right
Scorpio |their sire was http:/www.computerfinesse.com/news I emailed thier
|webmaster and he said that they are working on it
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«Topic» |Jkay sets topic to Asha Empress of all TA is back! | looking for
|holy relics in your lunchbox.
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PUNA |i could finally afford an fpu;)
mikester |Where can I buy a 040 or 060 Accelerator cheap? USD?
PUNA |softhut, visionsoft, paxtron maybe
HMetal |mikester: Have u tried National Amiga..
HMetal |?
asha |Heart is here!
Womble |There are a lot of people in front of the webcam... who are they
|all?
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«Nick» |asha is now known as TA.
PUNA |legs`!!!!!
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mikester |HMetal: No I haven't are they reasonable?
PUNA |heart from Tahoe?
Scorpio |mikester: if that is for an A4000/A3000 they are being sold in
|comp.sys.amiga.market place for around $200
TA |heyheyhey sweetheart!!!
TA |=)
MiMe |who's that lady there?
Riley |Carl and cindy from Rebol
«Nick» |TA is now known as heart.
HMetal |mikester: They are.. and they have used hardware for sale many
|times..
heart |wish you were here PUNA
HMetal |mikester: www.nationalamiga.com
PUNA |howzit goin heart
PUNA |yeah, me too
heart |yes heart from Tahoe hehehe
PUNA |hows the crowd heart ?
mikester |Cool . Thanks everybody.
PUNA |talk ta me baby
heart |having a blast...
HMetal |np mikester
PUNA |great!!!!
heart |no webcam tho =(
PUNA |bought anything yet?
PUNA |hows the mighty Thrax
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heart |he is here in a Photogenics seminar!~
PUNA |figures, graphics eh
PUNA |is he loving it too?
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heart |32 megs of ram and a new monitor cable and some used games
PUNA |get Carl's autograph heart
PUNA |is it packed heart ?
MiMe |heart: photogenicsX?
«Nick» |WowTIP is now known as peer.
heart |yeah the main roo is a bit small us amigans need more space but
|meeting a lot of great people!!!
heart |room even!
heart |take care sweetheart will be back around in a bit!!!!
heart |=)
heart |hugzzzz
PUNA |kisses
PUNA |;)
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«Nick» |heart is now known as ta.
ta |Polly is an old friend from Houston Texas.
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PUNA |u know her too eh
KarlosI |Gary
PUNA |i only know her from irc
ta |Polly was a co-sysop on a competing fido amiga board and she was
|smoking us ...
PUNA |haha
ta |PUNA: And she has looooong legs!
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PUNA |if u guys woulda kept your mind on what u were doin and not on
|her legs;)
«Nick» |peer is now known as WowTIP.
PUNA |u betcha
PUNA |what a concept, an amiganette
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ta |Paul is demoing Photogenics 1.2 and has done some really nice
|things wiyth it. He will come type to us in a bit. Paul is very
|softspoken.
CyberWolf |ta: Is taht Photogenics NG? When wil it be available?
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ta |I asked Paul about Photogenics and he prefers I think to tell you
|himself.
Scorpio |what ever hapened to project alpha which paul was to work on?
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PUNA |hey even bottom feeders are part of the food chain
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ta |Paul has just ended hid seminar and will be over in a few.
DFDuck |even bottom feeders get consumed in the food chain ¦)
PUNA |yes, but if we all got eaten then what
PUNA |it'll upset the ecosystem
DFDuck |egosystem?
PUNA |lol
ta |Hi Laura!!
ta |beezo: Paul Nolan will be here in a few and you are welcome to
|ask him that then.
PUNA |oh the haves and the havenots
beezo |well damnit i pre paid in March!!
beezo |when is my copy gonna be sent out?
d9090 |PUNA.. that's what TIME is for.. so we don't all get eaten at
|once. :-)
ta |beezo: I would suggest you ask Paul.
beezo |how long before he is here?
ta |He has a table full of people asking him questions after his
|excellent demo.
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ta |probably still ten people left yet.
beezo |ta, i saw it first, which was demo'ed in St. Louis, that's why I
|bought it, it's the badest program i've seen
CyberWolf |Is the cam picture still being updates? I don't receive any new
|pix!
Dave_C |no one's at the console ATM
ta |CyberWolf: The cam is with the UGN right now. I understand they
|may have shut it down for a few.
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_bladez_ |no one there :((
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Scorpio |CyberWolf: if you'ew browsing the website cam page clear your
|cache and then reload I had that too, and it is apparently a bug
|in Netscpa
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TRue |ecosystem = traditional mindset
CyberWolf |Scorpio: I don't iuse Netscape. I use WEBTV
TRue |;0
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Scorpio |OK sorry I was trying to help
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CyberWolf |Scorpio: thx.
Yrag |So who is on the WebCam now?
Scorpio |no problem mate :)
«Nick» |ta is now known as thrax.
Dave_C |Hiya Thrax
thrax |HEY PUNA!!!!!!!
thrax |lalalalaaaa
thrax |hey Dave_c
thrax |I'm here at AMIWEST !!!!!!
PUNA |oh no!!!
thrax |lalalalaaaa
PUNA |hey buddy
Dave_C |i know
PUNA |ok rub it in foo;)
thrax |arararar
Dave_C |and I'm going to go play plumber for the m-in-law
PUNA |enjoying yourself buddy
Dave_C |back in a bit
thrax |heart and I are having a great time here
PUNA |how long u guyz been there
thrax |not as big as I hoped it would be but something is better than
|nodda
Ratleto |later..
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thrax |since 10:30 am
PUNA |geeez
PUNA |any news
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PUNA |worth repeating
beezo |where is Paul??
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thrax |hopfully next year will be bigger
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PUNA |maybe LA might have been a better place for it
thrax |Venom sez hi from AmiWest
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thrax |maybe la yould be bigger
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Scorpio |ok ladies and gentlemen any news so far?
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thrax |Petro and Shindler didn't make it though.... kinda bummer
PUNA |not many vendors or ppl or both?
thrax |lots of ppl and vendors good turnout thought
PUNA |tells u there aint much to say then eh thrax
PUNA |thats great
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beezo |where is Paul??
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thrax |regardless... I am quite impressed
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thrax |Photogenics demonstration iwas real good
thrax |and the beer ain't to bad either!
beezo |what do you mean thrax?
thrax |gotta go.... money to spend!
beezo |oh iwas= was
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PUNA |what hardware did ya see?
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PUNA |have fun mate
beezo |did Paul have a PPC ver of P-NG?
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Scorpio |I knew that this was another Cologne 97 disappointmnet(from the
|news side) since jeff and Petro were not there
PaulNolan |beezo: nope
MiMe |thrax: any infos about a demoversion of photogenicsNG?
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PaulNolan |the PPC dev tools kinda sucked when I last looked
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beezo |is this Paul nolan?
Scorpio |Paul! at last
PaulNolan |thats me
beezo |Paul, I saw your demo at St Louis and was blown away and of
|course pre-ordered, when will it be releaed? its been a LONG
|time!!
Scorpio |Paul I have a question whatever happened to the Project Alpha?Is
|is there? Or shall we give up?
MiMe |PaulNolan: any infos about a first demoversion of photogenicsNG?
PaulNolan |no questions? oh, dam
PaulNolan |beezo: I will be sending out letters when I get back, but
|basically Photogenics has been delayed by my commitments to the
|Amiga Bridge system
MiMe |why doesn't the camera show the person currently online?
beezo |Paul, 1. has animation been done, or is that part scrapped? 2.
|will there be scanning support still 3. will there still be a
|PPC port?
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CyberWolf |Hi Paul: When can we buy Photogenics NG? How does it compare to
|ImgaeFX or Photoshop or ArtEffect?
Locutus |PaulNolan: will current amiga owners benefit anything if they buy
|the bridge system? (besides the pc)
PaulNolan |beezo: animation is still in the proof of concept stage, will
|most likely be in the next version
AmigaMMC |we're discussing Sun, Java, Cologne '98 at #MMC
PaulNolan |cyberwolf: be able to buy it when its finished. its very
|different to all of the above, it works in a very different way
|that allows a huge amount of creative freedom
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beezo |paul, how long of a delay are we looking at? any projected dates
|for my copy?
PaulNolan |Locutus: yes indeed, it will be the fastest Amiga ever
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PUNA |so what's this partnership all about?
Scorpio |Paul: Any news about the status of Project Alpha?Or that was just
|a dream we had?
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PaulNolan |beezo: PPC port will be reevaluated in a few months, and if the
|dev environment is mature enough I will finish the port
MiMe |ahh - online view 8-)
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beezo |paul, so now there might not even be a PPC port after you
|promissed me one?
PaulNolan |beezo: well, if when I compile the PPC version it crashes, and
|debugger doesnt work, theres really not much I can do apart from
|bash my head against the wall
Volmer |When are we getting the next reports from the show? 1 hour or so?
beezo |paul, Ok I suppose that's a valid arguement
Scorpio |Paul: Any news about the status of Project Alpha?
tecno |PaulNolan: when is Pg ng due for public release?, or when will a
|demo be available?
PaulNolan |scorpio: you`ll have to ask Steve about that
Scorpio |Ok Thanks but I was trying to get an answer if you are working
|still on the promised port of Amiga OS to the Alpha
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PaulNolan |scorpio: I have NDAs, you`ll have to ask Steve for an official
|answer
Tuman |So what has been the most far reaching amiwest announcement thus
|far?
Scorpio |OK sorry :0
Scorpio |OK sorry :)
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Satyre | The performance numbers are being announced toniught
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MiMe |Tuman: i think smth like "... will be announced within th next 4
|weeks" or smth similar 8-)
PUNA |is the boxer being displayed?
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PaulNolan |any more questions on the amazing Photogenics Ng, or can I go
|now? :)
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Tuman |Well, an announcement about an announcement is not so bad. At
|least it's something! :)
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tecno |PaulNolan: have you said when it'll be released yet?
PUNA |u made it FrMan !
MiMe |PaulNolan: release date and demo date, please...
beezo |no he has'nt
beezo |he can't commit to all this
beezo |you will just have to wait
MiMe |Tuman: we had this in may already.
beezo |I think we are used to this by now, cause we are special people
Scorpio |Paul: any demo version or evaluation nersion that we can look at?
PaulNolan |mime: release data: when its ready. the OS 4 Bridge system has
|to take priority.
tecno |Scorpio: there's some pics on his home site
Dave_C |beezo: please let Paul answer the questions
FrMan |thx PUNA :) was on another channel AmiWestTA on beyondirc net
|where this one was echoed
beezo |dave_c. he already answered these
Scorpio |Thanks tecno I looked at that
PaulNolan |scorpio: nope. hope to have a walk through demo before release
|though
Tuman |MiMe, but "we're still on schedule" is not too bad.
MiMe |PaulNolan: ok. shure.
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Locutus |PaulNolan: aminet demo?
DFDuck |The cam still not updating? Or is it just me..
Volmer |URL for webcam?
Dave_C |working fine here
DFDuck |Volmer: Check the /topic
Dave_C |www.amiga.com (server)
Dave_C | /webcam/cam.jog (filename)
PaulNolan |ok, have to go back to my stand and sell the Siamese :D
beezo |by Paul, and thank you
Locutus |Dave_C: amiga.org you mean
PaulNolan |seeyall
tecno |Bye Paul
Dave_C |paul... one question
DFDuck |You sure that isn't www.amiga.org ?
Dave_C |if Laura relays it in time
PaulNolan |um?
Dave_C |yeah
Volmer |ok, thanks
Scorpio |Thank you for your time Paul
Dave_C |amiga.org
Dave_C |sorry
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Dave_C |She said she'd ask next time...
Dave_C |thanks paul
PaulNolan |ok
PaulNolan |seeyall :)
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Dave_C |any word on the T*A webcam?
Dave_C |Are Casey or Godsmith gonna make it?
Locutus |T&A webcam?
PUNA |is compton there
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amiwest |Dave_C: Casey Haverson is pacing th efloor waiting for his chance
|to set it up so he can try out his audio/video feed stuff.
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Dave_C |Locutus: I have plenty of those urls
Dave_C |I mean Team*AMiGA
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amiwest |We will have to shut down for about an hour to set him up, so I
|am delaying until later tonight.
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Dave_C |ok... and tell him that babelfish changed their output and his
|translator scripts are broke
amiwest |Dave_c: will do!
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Overtaker |Hi all! What is the adress of the webcam site??
«Topic» |amiwest sets topic to The next seminar is "Amigan's with
|disabilities".
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Overtaker |webtv
ta |The word I have been given concerning the IBM rumor is: Gateway
|is NOT for sale regardless of what ZDNet says. Nor is Amiga Inc
|for sale, nor is Rebol for sale!
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Overtaker |yooper: Thanks!
Scorpio |Any further news?
Scorpio |That might explain the current silence on this IRC channel :)
ta |There should be no questions about that. It was said very
|adamently by all concerned.
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aardvark |Puna: Idon't think Compton's there because he was on IRC last
|night at 10:30 showtime asking for news.
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PUNA |oic
PUNA |k
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ta |Michael Salcedo is now giving his seminar on Amigan's with
|disabilities. He has a panel set up.
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ta |Mike's wife is a teacher for the visually impaired and has a
|daughter with disabilities.
ta |He has some appliances to use to demonstrate how to make
|computing easier.
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ta |They are discussing tools and appliances that the disabled
|amigan's can use to do some of the frustrating chores like simply
|typing a letter.
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ta |They are discussing how developers can even program in things
|like keyboard commands, or 'fast keys'.
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PUNA |let the user have the option;)
ta |Puna: Yes, like hidden keys or fast keys available from prefs.
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PUNA |that's small patatas anywayz
ta |One of the panelists uses Diskmaster along with Say just to be
|able to do normal operations.
ta |PUNA: It's small potatoes, but no one thinks of these things when
|they program.
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«Lag» |Server finally answered; total server lag was 10.4s
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Overtaker |So, what's the news from amiwest?
taza |Over: Free Milk with every NEW Amiga bought... ;)
Kinners |Overtaker: join #amiwest98
ta |Keybang is an example of a program used in some special ed
|courses as is Lupe.
ginger |Great little conf on #amiwest98, with bill mcewan
Kinners |ta: Could you please elaborate a bit more on keybang?
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Locutus |bbl
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taza |ginger: Yeah RIGHT, lack of direct answers is more like ..... ;)
|Still too early for any yet.... Oh well.
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ta |Kinners: KeybangII has modules so that when you type the letter
|A, and A appears on the screen in large type. Sounds can be
|digitized to go along with this so that a visually impaired
|person can hear what they are typing and can learn to type this
|way.
RaTTleR |PST is - how much for GMT?
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ta |RaTTleR: -6 or -8?
rob |-8
taza |Rat: What's YOUR local time ?
RaTTleR |Err.. Ok.. :)
RaTTleR |GMT +1
RaTTleR |(CET)
taza |Rat: It's 4:30pm, 16:30...
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RaTTleR |Ahh.. Ok.
RaTTleR |Someone care to fill me in on what's been said?
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ta |DeafLab is a nice program designed to teach sign language.
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PUNA |well, generally speaking, the amiga needs educational proggies
|period
taza |PUNA : Oh ?
taza |PUNA : Why ?
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DFDuck |One of the best disabled computer labs to be found is the CARLO
|Lab at Butte College, about 75 miles north of Sacramento.
taza |PUNA : Games... Sure.
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ta |taza: There are lots of disabled amigan's right now. We should
|offer them some support.
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RaTTleR |taza, Are we talking phycically disabled or?
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MrVegas |I thought this was supposed to be a moderated channel, where's
|the news feed?
RaTTleR |#amiwest98
PUNA |what does Stephen Hawkin use?
MrVegas |ah, thanks
ta |MrVegas: This is the news feed as it is happening at the
|seminars.
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Lambertus |I have known what Stephen H. uses, but forgot.. (DUH)
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ta |They are now talikng about VR systems, touch screens and wiz
|tablets. Also larger mice and trackballs.
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PUNA |geez, all i wanted was a faster amiga;)
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PUNA |children need smaller mice
Lambertus |I'd like to be doing something in this field..
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Lambertus |Is #amiwest98 moderated?
RaTTleR |ta; any specifics or just "This is what we want to do"?
RaTTleR |;)
Kinners |PUNA: The more Amiga's that get sold, the faster/cheaper they'll
|get :)
ta |PUNA: Disabled children need larger mice so that they can control
|it better.
RaTTleR |Lambertus, yes
Antani |Hi brothers!
Antani |Any news from Amiga Inc?
ta |we need to cover all markets and the ICOA and AI are hear
|listening.
Lambertus |RaTTleR, thx.. Is it the same as this, but only 'one way' in a
|way then? ; )
RaTTleR |No.. It's interviews and such..
RaTTleR |This is a report on what's happening on the Show itself..
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ta |Bill McEwen has announced that he wants everyone possible to
|hear/see his remarks tonight so he is tring to arrange feeds for
|this.
VideoTeck |ta: ra ?
TRue |ta: bill is going to happen at 6pm?
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ta |videoteck: the amiga announcement was a bit inaccurate to a
|certain extent .. there was supposed to be coverage from a local
|radio station and via real auido, but they didn't show up (as far
|as i know)
Lambertus |Bill Gates is coming to talk as well???
ta |we were also supposed to have some sort of GSM links, which we
|probably will handle tomarrow... these will be pre-recorded....
«Nick» |sasc is now known as tekmage.
ta |maybe discusion on the amiga announcement/talks as well as clips
|and full versions.
VideoTeck |ta: okey, as long as the ra links get in cucug or amiga.org :)
ta |but that all depends on if we get the hardware going tonight.
Lambertus |How much time from now is Bill gonna talk?
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Lambertus |(No energy to thinking in time zones....)
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ta |i don't know .... he is talking at 8:30pm..
«Ban» |Amires removes ban from Darx_TA!*@*
ta |tekmage: are you guys going to cover the amiga stuff at 8:30 via
|IRC?
Antani |are you really talking of bill gates??
ta |tekmage: and webcam
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TheBarron |Bill M was just on #amiwest98 a moment ago
PUNA |lates guyz, go amiga!
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ta |bill = bill Mcewen...
Antani |ta: Luckly! ;-)
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TRue |ta: 8:30 local to the show?
VideoTeck |ta: any idea of what 8:30 over there is in CET ? :) *maybe i can
|sleep a bit*
ta |ta: tekmage, this is casey .... is anyone from UGN there?
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Overtaker |Bill=Bill Clinton, stupid!
ta |videoteck: hold, let me calculate the hours until
ta |probably around 9:30..
VideoTeck |okey
Ikemo |Hi
ta |ok, in EXACTLY 4 hours..
Antani |Overtaker: keep women away then!! ;-)
MrVegas |when's the big announcement supposed to be?
ta |being that right now is 4:30 ..
ta |we don't know that it is big..
_bladez_ |ta: what is happening at 8:30?
ta |just that it is important to include everyone (?)
ta |im just reporting that bill m. is concerned ... thats all i
|know..
MrVegas |well, they kept saying is was gonna be big...
ta |which is a good thing, because last amiga show they excluded a
|whole chunk of people who couldn't pay/afford/or had room to go
|to the announcement
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ta |mrvegas: nobody ever said that.
ta |mrvegas: if you can tell me who "they" is ...
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ta |mrvegas: give me a name, i will verify.
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MrVegas |gary peake
«Nick» |ta is now known as CommandTA.
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Overtaker |Did they announce which kernal to be used in OS4?
MrVegas |i think AI put out something too
CommandTA |mrvegas: no ... he never did say anything about it being big.
Lambertus |In 4 hours.... that would be 5.30 AM here! (ZzzZZZZ)
MrVegas |they promised it would be "big"
TheBarron |is that commando?
CommandTA |AI just said there would be an annoucement... an annoucement
|which just means he is talking.
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CommandTA |they did NOT promiss that it would be big... give me a URL or a
|press release.
TRue |CommandTA: where you summing up the disbilities seminar?
CommandTA |there are many rumors....
RaTTleR |WTF does GA mean?
CommandTA |true: the disbilities seminar is going on right now ..
MrVegas |I don't know, maybe check Ai's site
Dave_C |GA means Go Ahead.
jpawluk |Go ahead
RaTTleR |k
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CommandTA |true: do you want me to summon the people holding the seminar..
Dave_C |used when in moderated conf... which we're not.
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Dave_C |Does anyone have any questions on AMiGA and Disabilities?
TRue |CommandTA: just interested in hearing a summary or overview as it
|happens.
Overtaker |If Petro didn't show up, that must be the first time ever. He
|usually goes wherever there's a show going on.
CommandTA |hey, we can bring any questions into the seminar right now..
CommandTA |message your questions..
CommandTA |they are asking for them.
Dave_C |If so, I'd be getting them ready and getting Casey to flag them
|over.
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Tuman |doesn't the lack of narrator and translator device inhibit
|disabled access?
Lambertus |err... what channel did they take questions on disab. stuff?
Dave_C |What is presently avalable for sight impaired users in regards to
|gui/wimp/etc
Overtaker |Joe: Is Joe=Joe Torre?
RaTTleR |Overtaker, Yeah.. We even got him to join us on our party on
|AMiTECH '97.. :) Petro's kew..
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CommandTA |i am taking them now..
CommandTA |let me get the guys on IRC
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Lambertus |Where/are there any words on better speech synthesis?
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Lambertus |Or coupling speech command recognition with AREXX/Rebol to
|control prgs??
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Dave_C |Lam: AFAIK, there *was* an alternative translator.device that was
|better at multi-language handling... it even did Klingon.
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Overtaker |Lambertus: We can only dream
Lambertus |Well.. if THEY don't do it, I will try to!
Lambertus |(Actually, I'll try anyway)
«Nick» |tekmage is now known as sasc.
CommandTA |lambertus: SWRead seems to be the best program for synths ... the
|say and speak commands work pretty well, and you can plug those
|into any file management system (diskmasker, opus, etc) but the
|amiga is suprisingly flexable as far as speech goes.
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CommandTA |lambertus: if you are really into speech and phenetics, etc. you
|can adjust the speech and such, but you really have to play with
|it. but i generally been satified with the amiga's syth software.
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Lambertus |Well.. the system narrator was not too bad, but there's lots of
|improvement possible. I don't know SWRead.
Lambertus |(Will have a look)
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CommandTA |lambertus: that is true...
Overtaker |Any news on the secret parnter with the kernal in os4?
CommandTA |overtaker: there are still 3 companies ....
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VideoTeck |is someone here logging the upcoming banquet ?
CommandTA |overtaker: they have three different demos waiting ... but they
|can't show them until the sale is finished..
Lambertus |CommandTA: I know about what's possible with the Amiga's synth.
|But it wasn't in the latest releases, and other types of
|synthesis and higher CPU speed open possibilities.
CommandTA |videoteck: as far as i know, UGN is doing it ..
Lambertus |LOGGING A BANQUET???? "Digitise that chicken and send over IRC"
| ; )
CommandTA |videoteck: but UGN is ignoring me via IRC .. that means I have to
|walk a few hundred feet and yell at tekmage.
CommandTA |TEKMAGE!!!!!!
CommandTA |BRB ...
VideoTeck |ta: :)
«Nick» |CommandTA is now known as TA.
Dave_C |Darx_TA is logging this channel
VideoTeck |dave_c: good
VideoTeck |make sure the conf is here to then :]
Overtaker |I thought they said "within 30 days" we would know the kernal. Im
|getting sick and tired of this NDA bull shit!
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TA |Gary Back now
taza |Over: Then come back in "30 days" and complain.... ;)
Lambertus |Any words about the rumor about GW selling AI to Be?
TA |Everyone has vanished!!! AI is giving away a new 1200.
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VideoTeck |heh
TA |Lambertus: That RUMOR is emphatically FALSE!
taza |Any words about the rumor about Be being sold to AI ?
Dave_C |Lam: Today someone was rumoring that M$ was buying Be
Dave_C |To me, it all Be a crock
Overtaker |taza:It's been like 2 months since they said it...
Lambertus |TA; thx. I thought so, but yah never know...
VideoTeck |and IBM buying Gateway hehe
TA |The rumors that Gateway is for sale is FALSE. The rumor that AI
|is for sale is FALSE. The rumor about Rebol being for sale is
|FLASE.
Dave_C |That at least makes sense
Lambertus |Dave_c: ; ) (BRRRR)
HMetal |Boy there sure are a lot of gullible people around.. :)
portnoy |Any truth to the rumor that there will be an upgrade to IBrowse?
CyborJim |........ and Microsoft buying Apple ......
TA |portnoy: ALL RUMORS are Flase.
Dave_C |nobody;s buying anything
Lambertus |Flase?
TA |false even. :)
VideoTeck |... and me going to bed... 8þ
Dave_C |g'night VT
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VideoTeck |se yah all tomorrow
VideoTeck |gnight dc
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PiKe |I just want to know if _anything_'s been announced at the show
|yet?
Dave_C |I'm gonna have to go get ready for work.
Overtaker |Did Bill Mc. make any REAL statements at all??
Lambertus |So eh.. do the questions we ask here about disability stuff get
|asked in the seminar?
Dave_C |TA: That's the same Darx from beyond. Use your P/W if you need to
|access it.
TA |Lambertus: Yes.
Overtaker |Fuck disability!
Dave_C |darx usermod ta 200
Dave_C |ooops
Dave_C |hostmask
TA |Dave_C: Gotcha
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Dave_C |Ident to it
TA |ok
Dave_C |so I can set that
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AmigaMMC |The future on Amiga is (friendly) debated at #MMC
Dave_C |darx sview ta
-Darx_TA- |User TA!alanwall.p@*.tnt24.sfo3.da.uu.net, Level: 0 (op)
-Darx_TA- |Joins: 3, this 2 hours and 27 minutes ago
-Darx_TA- |Last talked: 22 seconds ago (1.37 lines/min)
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Dave_C |darx usermod -r ta -p alanwall.p@*.tnt24.sfo3.da.uu.net ta 200
-Darx_TA- |User ta was modified and informed
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Dave_C |darx sview ta
-Darx_TA- |User TA!alanwall.p@*.tnt24.sfo3.da.uu.net, Level: 200 (op)
-Darx_TA- |Email: gpeake@wt.net
-Darx_TA- |Comment: Gary's here - let's see if we can make him lose a
|nut....
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Dave_C |hehehehe
TA |The ICOA had a rep here (Jesse McClusky) who took notes. What is
|really needed for Amigan's with disabilities is drivers. Mac
|people pay as much as $600 US for drivers for tablets, etc.
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TA |That was the last seminar oif the day here in the Sycamore room.
«Topic» |TA sets topic to last seminar has been done ... BillM at 8:30pm
|PDT
CyborJim |I have a book I got at Barnes&Nobel called "Independance Day,
|Designing Computer Solutions for Individuals with Disabilities".
|An Apple publication, so it has more concept then solution.
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TA |Michael Salcedo at msalcedo@calweb.com wishes anyone interested
|in programming or helping with this project please email him
|direct.
Lambertus |Sorry.. what project?
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Dave_C |Setting Casey up?
«Nick» |TheBarron is now known as TheB-Away.
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Dave_C |I'm saving jpgs from the cam.
TRue |bye for now.
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Dave_C |I want some from the TA feed
TA |Dave_C: Yes, in a few.
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Dave_C |OK...
Dave_C |I got some good pics
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Dave_C |Carl and Cindy
«Nick» |sasc is now known as AmiWest2.
DFDuck |I too am saving cam pics and logging two channels.. for about 6
|hours now.
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Lambertus |Any URL where all the logs and pics are. I might be blind, but
|couldn't find them easily (well.. I'm lazy as well)
DFDuck |Somtimes it all flies past too fast.. gotta have logs so I can
|read what happened ¦)
Dave_C |Wantanabee?
Dave_C |Is that you Wendell?
Dave_C |from Fido?
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Wendell |Yes that is me!
Dave_C |Dave Cook
Dave_C |Good to see you here.
Dave_C |Asha has been on...
Wendell |Nice to be here
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Wendell |Pretty new at IRC though..
Dave_C |want a log of Carl S. earlier?
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Wendell |log of carl s. sounds neat.
TA |Carl in person has a real enthusiasm to him!
Lambertus |hmm..
Dave_C |There y'go Wendell.
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Lambertus |He looks slightly 'businesslike' and somewhat coldish on pics..
Dave_C |it's rough, but it's there
TA |Unbelievable amount of energy in people like Holger Kruse, Carl
|S, Paul Nolan, et all.
Lambertus |Good to hear
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Wendell |Thanks Dave. I think I'm getting the file.
taza |So TA, Have you seen Miami Deluxe ?
TA |Lambertus: Actually he comes across that way in email too. But,
|in person he is quite personable and friendly. Easy to chat with.
_bladez_ |ta: yes i must say ... and they love every moment of it :)
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TA |taza: Not yet. I am going over in a few to see what is on
|display.
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TA |I did talk to Denny Atkin who said that the PC world is NOT loike
|the amiga world, he is about tired of that scene, and is looking
|seriously at the amigang and coming back.
TA |Denny was very happy to be here, shaking hands and looking at all
|the demos out.
Lambertus |Who's Denny? (Excuse me if I'm ignorant here)
Dave_C |UGN has the internet attorney online
Dave_C |grabbing pics of his bill gates looking self
Dave_C |hehehehehe
TA |Lambertus: Denny Atkin wrote a lot of really good books for amiga
|users.
TA |Greatest Tips and Tricks.
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Lambertus |IC
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Dave_C |hahahaha
TA |we are going to go off line for a while while Casey and I round
|up some equipment to perform some magic a little later. We will
|be back prior to Bill M's speech tonight.
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Dave_C |they have an internet attorney and sidewind asks about
|copyrighting his band's name!
Dave_C |hahahaha
AAlley |TA: Is Fletcher Haug gonna talk inchannel?
TA |we'll be back when we get setup.
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Dave_C |hmmmm
Wendell |Can someone help me set up WebTV for the Amiwest cam pics?
Dave_C |I can
Wendell |Great! How?
Dave_C |1) mooey
Dave_C |2) install webtv
Wendell |Got that...
Dave_C |3) server: www.amiga.org
Wendell |ok
Dave_C |4) filename: /webcam/cam.jpg
_bladez_ |don't forget the setting bit if you go through a proxy server ;)
Lambertus |Sound... (Sound?)
Wendell |Ok, thanks!
Dave_C |
Dave_C |Sound?
Lambertus |er
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Dave_C |everyone will be requesting...
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Lambertus |Who's that guy on webcam right now??
Wendell |Cool! I got pics. Thanks Dave.
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Dave_C |That's the internet copyright lawyer
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Kinners |Lambertis: I think that's the lawyer on #amiwest98 (Mitchell)
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RAG |any news today?
Dave_C |Is that the same one we had earlier?
Dave_C |RAG: Patience.
Dave_C |There was a last minute meeting that called major 'players'
|away...
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RAG |dave_c: hehe... I think I have... but Im awaiting the phonecall
|:) (while being in town boozing)
Dave_C |they're expected to contact landline sometime before the end of
|the show tomorrow
Lambertus |Dave_C: When was that??
TA |Dave_C:
TA |hi it 's me
Dave_C |
TA |AlanwLL
Dave_C |oh.. Hi Alan
Dave_C |you looked like Gary
TA |Haviing fun
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Dave_C |Ray needs to be on UGN checking this out.
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TA |brb... hooking up new hardware.
Dave_C |oooo
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Dave_C |Hi Joe
Lambertus |' Dave_C?
RAG |whos that typing on the webcam?
Lambertus |(Sorry.. used to MUD commands)
Dave_C |That's the internet copyright lawyer
Dave_C |you mudder, you!
Dave_C |hehehehe
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Lambertus |Dave: When were the major players called away?
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Dave_C |afaik, tey never made it...
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Dave_C |Fleecy and Havemose...
Dave_C |rumor has it to meet w. the MMC company
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Lambertus |hmm....
Lambertus |So the MMC comp is walking around there too?
Dave_C |???
Lambertus |comp -> company
Lambertus |Not the machine!
Dave_C |If I *knew*, I couldn't say
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Dave_C |the guy on the WebCam is Mitchell Karack of CyberTracker
Lambertus |Green trousers and red shirt?
Dave_C |he was on here earlier.
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Dave_C |has a 'gates' sorta look...
Kinners |Lambertus: That's not a guy :)
Lambertus |I realised. : )
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Dave_C |well...
Dave_C |I gotta go to work.
Dave_C |The musician's life doesn't end on the weekend.
Dave_C |I just get started.
Wendell |Thanks for the help Dave.
Dave_C |not a problem Wendell
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Wendell |That WebTV is pretty neat.
_bladez_ |wend: yep :)
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_bladez_ |wend: puts webcam to shame :(
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Wendell |Haven't looked at webcam.
taza |Lawyer online...
taza |Target practice time... ;)
Womble |Lawyers rock....NOT!
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Lambertus |The lawyer is looking at WHO(m) all the time???
Dave_C |What's the difference between a lawyer and a catfish?
Jkay |"what makes you think I didnt know that?"
Jkay |"I know that"
Hexar |So. Was there any news today?
Lambertus |Oh no... no lawyer jokes... That's gonna take all bandwidth.. ;
|)
Dave_C |One's a worthless, bottom-feeding, scumsucker....
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Dave_C |The other's a FISH
CyborJim |There is an old question: if a software company refuses to port
|it's software to a certain platform can another company make a
|clone of that software for the unsuppored platform?
Dave_C |Actually, they can send a 'Cease and Desist' order
Lambertus |ie ICQ?
taza |Yeah, but just put your SERVER in a NON_US domain...
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taza |And he cannot touch you for the most part...
Womble |CyborJim: Whether or not there is a port has no bearing on it.
Dave_C |AROS was ordered to shut down (heard yesterday)
CyborJim |Yes, or Word Perfect.
Womble |CyborJim: The question is wholly over what methods were used to
|create the clone, and whether they infringe on copyright.
_bladez_ |dave: why?
taza |It will take a longtime before we ever see some sights shutdown
|IF ever...
pOMAc |Dave_C: Totaly? Or did they want their source codeS?
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taza |sites, even...
taza |Joanne... :)
Womble |Dave_C: I don't think that is correct. They insisted on getting a
|license (for whatever reason - I don't understand) and have
|failed to do so.
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Dave_C |not sure... heard yesterday when someone asked if AROS was being
|considered
taza |Ms. Scuzzy... :)
Womble |Dave_C: AROS was brought up at the pre-London IRC session
Dave_C |It was mentioned again yesterday.
Dave_C |I was shocked...
Wizardess |Yellow!
Lambertus |pfff : (
Dave_C |AROS was a valiant effort
Womble |Yellow?
CyborJim |There are rumors of unfinished code a
Jkay |Wizardess! We bow to your superior-ness
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Dave_C |and appeared to be decently done.
Jkay |and stuff
CyborJim |verion of WP going around.
Dave_C |People often ask us about CNet BBS... won't CNet Central sue...
CyborJim |I take it finishing this version of WP would be a violation, but
|making a new one from scrap might not be.
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Dave_C |well... CNet BBS has been around since the 70's.... it predates
|Q-Link, AOL, and CNet Central
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taza |Dave: '70's ??????
Dave_C |but if we sue'd them, they'd make a deal about the '|'...
Dave_C |Yup
Dave_C |Ken started it on a C=64
taza |Dave: CNet came out with the ?
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Dave_C |So we're like waiting for them to try to sue US, and then we';ll
|kill 'em!
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Lambertus |living 9 hours into the future of Sacra, I should already know
|what Bill is going to tell there, or?
Dave_C |if they sue, they'll have to forget about the | as it would blow
|their case
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Dave_C |taza: for CNet info http://www.cnetbbs.net/
Hexar |Hmm. So, was there any news today? :)
Dave_C |Hex: about 3 hours.
Dave_C |Bill McEwen will be online (or is scheduled)
Hexar |Dave: So there's nothing new yet?
Dave_C |Carl talked on REBOL, Mitchell Karack talked about Web Law and
|copyright issues
Dave_C |PaulNolan took questions on PG
Dave_C |if interested in the web / copyright law issues -
Dave_C |mkamarck@rmslaw.com.
Hexar |Dave: What did Paul Say about PG?
Dave_C |I was eating..
Dave_C |hehehe
Dave_C |I'll have logs from Darx
Lambertus |And Noone Inparticular talked about the future hardware/software
|of amiga....
Dave_C |actually, everyone in general talked about the future of the
|amiga, but if they knew anything, they couldn't say
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Hexar |Dave: Gimme' :)
CyborJim |Seldome do I see a celebrity in advertising for more then one
|computer, like I've only seen William Shatner advertise the
|VIC-20. Is the because of some law?
Dave_C |and way too many impatient rumor-mongerers
Dave_C |wamt NOW, or wait till the Bill McEwen sessiion is on
Olorin |What's 'PG'?
d9090 |Hexar.. Paul said he's focusing on software for OS4 and Index
|card (?) and Photogenics is on hold for now.
Dave_C |PhotoGenics
taza |Dave: I don't see the original release date there....
taza |Dave: Just the Amiga one, 1986.
DFDuck |Be interesting to get Holger to chat on #AmiWest98 for a few. Any
|chance of that happening?
Dave_C |
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Lambertus |Be inc is interested in Holger?? ; )
Dave_C |even the C128 version predates CNet Central
pOMAc |DFDuck: some one tried to lure him in there, didn't seem to work
|though
taza |Dave: I am still trying to find a 197x release date though...
taza |Dave: I don't see one...
pOMAc |Dave_C: Tell em to atleast mention the Amiga C|Net bbs sw =)
Dave_C |Ask HMetal when you see him
DFDuck |Pom: ¦) Camera shy or just not talking?
pOMAc |Or humm shoud there be a | ?
Dave_C |or email rakey@cnetbbs.net
taza |Dave: So you just say things without having any FACTS to back you
|up ?
pOMAc |DFDuck: I dunno, i think that he might be busy.. =))
Dave_C |p0mac: no |
Dave_C |That's why we're gonna let them try to get us first...
pOMAc |Dave_C: thought so (and no zero in my nick =))
Dave_C |then they won't be able to use the | to get out of it!
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Dave_C |sorry
Dave_C |funky font
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Dave_C |but I can see it and not wear my glasses
pOMAc |Dave_C: I have seen worse =) Trust me =)
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Locutus |any speakers here?
taza |Yep, a LAWYER... Need one ? ;)
Locutus |i mean on this channel
Locutus |hi Hexar btw
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Hexar |'ello Locutus
pOMAc |Locutus
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pOMAc |Locutus: You came back?
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Locutus |pOMAc: naah, just had to check this channel before i left
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pOMAc |Locutus: Bah =))
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Locutus |'night everyone
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pOMAc |cu LowLevel
pOMAc |Samn
pOMAc |Damn
Lambertus |Locu is still on...
pOMAc |Lambertus: Yeah i bet =)
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Lambertus |: )
pOMAc |uhmm
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pOMAc |I said godbye to LowLevel by mistake and he/she disapears?? =)
JoeMango |hi
Lambertus |It's a secret feature of this IRC server, pOMAc
Lambertus |Be careful with that...
JoeMango |any new developments since last night?
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taza |Yes, the SUN came up AGAIN... :)
Lambertus |Where there any last night, then?
JoeMango |no
Lambertus |SUNs walking around there tooo???
JoeMango |oh well bye
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Lambertus |So who's on the WebCam now?
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Kinners |Lambertus: tekmage?
_bladez_ |tekmage
Lambertus |thx
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Wizardess |So serious he looks there on the WebTV....
Jkay |tekmage doesnt smile
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Lambertus |No... not at all...
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KarlosI |invites anyone interested in playing a game of freeciv to join
|#freeciv channel. FreeCiv is a TCP Multiplyaer Clone which
|requires a system equipped with either AGA or a GFX board!!
|Please join the unf, we'll help you get setup, and give ya advice
|throughout the game!!!
RMerlin |I've just uploaded micq rev 12 if anyone else beside me is still
|using it. :)
MrVegas |does anyboy know when Dr. Havemose will talk to us?
Wizardess |What's it fix?
pOMAc |RMerlin: i do many compiles of it =)
RMerlin |No fix, just some very minor additions as usual.
RMerlin |I wish the author would do some REAL work on it.
Kinners |MrVegas: I don't think Dr. Havemose is even there.
MrVegas |at the show?
Jkay |MrVegas: Amiga Inc people are not there. Only Bill M showed up
Jkay |everyone else bailed
MrVegas |damn
Lambertus |really??
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Wizardess |Fascinating!!!! Amidst all the rumors that must REALLY be making
|an impression on the show!
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pOMAc |RMerlin: Do you cange the colors and optimize it aswell?
Lambertus |That must have a reason! Like... something is not as it is
|supposed to be
RMerlin |pOMAc: I do an ANSI (slightly modified) and non-ANSI version.
RMerlin |pOMAc: All other changes I needed, I had the author implement
|them directly in the sources (like support for PROGDIR:)
pOMAc |RMerlin: I saw one of the old one, but it needed more stack =//
pOMAc |RMerlin: yeah i saw that
RMerlin |pOMAc: All ixemul ports need a good 20-40 KB of stack.
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pOMAc |RMerlin: Not mine
pOMAc |=)
McDrill |what is the WebTV serve R?
Jkay |J.Dow: why yes it is.
Wizardess |www.amiga.org/webcam/cam.jpg
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McDrill |ok
RMerlin |pOMAc: only clueless newbies don't have a decent stack by
|default in their CLI. And micq was never aimed at them.
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Jkay |Holger Kruse on DECK in the hotseat room
taza |McDrill: www.amiga.org for the server line, /webcam/cam.jpg for
|the filename line, 30 secs or less for the update time...
Jkay |nope. false alarm
RMerlin |The only reason I'm porting micq is for my own use.
Wizardess |Only idiots do not use AllocMem and FreeMem properly. The Gnu way
|of placing huge amounts of data on the stack is wrong for a
|multi-threading OS and even worse with SMP in the picture.
pOMAc |RMerlin: Well more than you think have it like that, i forex only
|increase stack when i have to.. Since i use so many shells
RMerlin |The day Stricq will be of any use and stop crashing, I'll do the
|switch.
Jkay |crashing?
Jkay |you have to be kidding :)
RMerlin |Jkay: Searching takes down the whole machine.
Jkay |get out of here :)
Jkay |I've searched and searched
RMerlin |It did it both times I tried to do a search.
Jkay |and searched some more :)
McDrill |hmm, its not sending now is it =
RMerlin |Well, try one with the latest version.
Wizardess |I just fixed "rexxarplib.library" for a stack crash situation. It
|blew when the ASL requester was used on Picasso96 screens.
Wizardess |I talked Willy out of the source.
Womble |Wizardess: And they could at least try to get stack extension
|working properly :-(
RMerlin |I'm not imagining those 2 out of 2 crashes.
Wizardess |That crash was VERY annoying, trust me.
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McDrill |has there benn any news ? url or something ?
taza |Ms. Scuzzy... :)
RMerlin |We start a committee that would systematicaly whack those lazy
|programmers who release half-working junk on Aminet these days. :/
Wizardess |Far better they should use malloc/free or AllocMem and FreeMem
|like good little children.
RMerlin |Quality is on the fall these days
Jkay |Wizardess: maybe you could tell us how your strenuous efforts in
|supporting the amiga community are going .. how's it look from up
|there?
Wizardess |Have not tried the AMD chip. Someone want to send me one (no
|guaratees of getting it back) to try?
Wizardess |Grim as it looks out there.
RMerlin |We'd need about a dozen of caldis, a handfull of John Hendrikx
|and 4 or 5 Nico Francois these days
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Womble |What AMD chip?
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AAlley |Wiz: Take my word on it. The K6 300 is real damn quick.
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Wizardess |If 3.5 ever goes I get a chance to redo HDToolBox, or at least
|part of it.
Jkay |for those of you not familliar with Wizardess, she's a long time
|tireless AMiga booster, and grandpoobah of the Amiga areas on BIX
Womble |Wizardess: I'd like to do that too! Did you take a look at my
|64-bit Format code, btw?
Jkay |and one smart cookie
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Wizardess |Meanwhile I am planning a hack with rexxarplib.library to build a
|new GUI froont end for RDPrepX.
Womble |Wizardess: Or have you been working on that yourself?
Lil |hi there
RMerlin |Hummm... Any takers for resuming work on MFormat? :)
Lambertus |MFormat?
RMerlin |Format program I wrote years ago
AAlley |Please, not that again.
Wizardess |Whuffo you want 64 bit format code? I'd NEVER build a 2gig let
|along a 4+gig FFS partition.
Lil |DFDuck: hi there marzipan darling. I am happy you got it, even
|when it was spoiled
Womble |RMerlin: Um, I used it for a while but there were some silly
|bugs... can't remember what now
RMerlin |Womble: Interesting that I never got a single bug report from
|you.
Womble |Wizardess: Well, you can have partitions outside the 4 GB area
RMerlin |I guess they weren't "that silly"
Womble |RMerlin: I was offline at the time...
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DFDuck |Lilster ¦>
Womble |Wizardess: That requires you to use 64-bit trackdisk commands
Wizardess |Er - ah - I never had a problem with regular format with
|partitions past 4gig. Should I have?
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RMerlin |THe only catch is it's written in E (and early E, so is probably
|not all that nice to look at. :)
Womble |Wizardess: Um, with version 40 you should have.
Womble |Wizardess: After all, that uses trackdisk commands which are
|limited to a 32-bit range.... right?
RMerlin |You shouldn't have to do a full format with HD partitions anyway
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Womble |RMerlin: Indeed, though a lot of people insist on doing it
Wizardess |Not that I know of. You simply use the new FFS. And the format
|routine uses direct writes to the partition not the device. (I
|gotta think on that a tad.)
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RMerlin |Womble: Well it's a nice way to catch out any bad blocks I must
|admit.
Womble |Wizardess: Depends on whether you do a "quick-format" (newfs) or
|a real format
_bladez_ |wizard: is this the td64 ffs ?
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Womble |_bladez_: AI has released a beta v43 FFS
Wizardess |Did a real format long to test to see if the partition wrapped.
Wizardess |Looks like WebTV just turned ouff.
Womble |Wizardess: Well... surely it would, wouldn't it?
_bladez_ |womble: cool ... but the AI betas timeout :(
Womble |HDToolBox is the real bugger though, it gets confused by any disk
|bigger than 2 GB :-(
Wizardess |I'm not sure what "Format" does inside. Hence I cannot answer for
|sure....
Womble |_bladez_: I don't think the latest version does
_bladez_ |womble: and you always have to reformat partitions when you
|update the file system?
«Lag» |Server finally answered; total server lag was 10.0s
Womble |Wizardess: It writes junk (DOS\0.... DOW\0... as you mentioned
|bfore ;-) to the disk
_bladez_ |womble: cool ..
RMerlin |Wizardess: The DOS Format? It merely writes empty blocks all
|over the disk, and then initialize the bitmap (when you call
|Format() from dos.library)
Womble |Wizardess: Then calls Format ()
Wizardess |Yeah - sometime after 2000.... I accidentally set my clock up
|there and on reboot got bazillion annoying messages before I
|could reset the date.
Womble |Wizardess: Then writes a Trashcan
McDrill |so, amiga team has done nothing in an url or something ?
Wizardess |I know that, RMerlin, I am not sure HOW it performs that writing.
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Womble |_bladez_: The timeout is really easy to fix though
Womble |Wizardess: It uses CMD_FORMAT
RMerlin |Wizardess: Mere CMD_WRITE on each blocks
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_bladez_ |womble: how ? I need my clock to be set to the right time :(
Womble |RMerlin: CMD_FORMAT, not CMD_WRITE. I did check this...
RMerlin |Womble: Lemme check my sources...
Wizardess |If it does an "OpenDevice" it may indeed give a problem. I am
|amazed I did not see the partition I built out past 4gigs wrap.
Wizardess |You have real C= Format sources?
Womble |_bladez_: Can't remember now, but it's easy to search for and
|remove in a hex editor
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Womble |Wizardess: RMerlin did a replacement Format program with a nice
|GUI
RMerlin |Right, TD_FORMAT
RMerlin |Shows how long it's been :)
Wizardess |"Nice GUI" <- OxyMoron.
Womble |Sorry, TD_FORMAT not CMD_FORMAT...
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_bladez_ |womble: ahh i see...but is there a way of changing the filesystem
|without losing the data and without relying on a backup?
RMerlin |Well, it sure was nicer than CBM's lousy junk :)
Womble |_bladez_: Just reinstall it with HDToolBox I suppose
RMerlin |Funny how CBM did the worse GUIs
Kinners |bladez: I think ReOrg might be able to do that.
Womble |Wizardess: It's TD_FORMAT, CMD_UPDATE, CMD_CLEAR then CMD_READ to
|verify the data
RMerlin |Prefs programs aren't that bad, but every other system tools are
|horrible
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_bladez_ |womble: but that will cause you to lose all of the data.
McDrill |?me - sleep
McDrill |gah
RMerlin |HDBackup isn't even using newlook menus if I recall?
Womble |_bladez_: Do you mean change the fileystem code, or change the
|variant of the filesystem (e.g. FFS -> FFS Intl)?
McDrill |no news at all ?
taza |McD: Come back in 30 days....
pOMAc |McDrill: Miami deluxe has been seen on the show =)
Wizardess |If you have a hard disk get RDPrepX.
McDrill |hum, haha,, uh, ok :)
_bladez_ |womble: just changing filesystems ..version thereof.
RMerlin |Wizardess: I had it trash some RDB settings in the past.
McDrill |no CVppc ?
McDrill |Bvppc ...
Womble |Wizardess: Can it deal with big disks yet?
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Womble |_bladez_: That doesn't trash anything, if there's space in the
|RDB
Wizardess |Then run "rdprepx -q3 -t -d -u
|-s
RMerlin |I think it was something like Reselection not being properly
|saved or loaded, not sure
Wizardess |Save this off to a floppy disk with RDPrepX on it.
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RMerlin |HDInstTools looked good to me, but using a custom filesystem with
|it was a pain
Wizardess |You restore easily enough by changing the -s in the command to
|-r. If you have a filesystem on the disk add a -w to
|save the filesystem with the RDBs.
Wizardess |HDInstTools go bang in the night the night I tried it. Scrubbed
|it from the disk.
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Womble |Wizardess: What does this actually *do*?
RMerlin |Wizardess: Tried a recent Aminet upload, or the older one coming
|with the Oktagon software?
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Wizardess |I *KNOW* what RDPrepX does. (LOTS AND LOTS of built in checking
|on writes and reads.) (ANd none at all on the RDB contents. It'll
|write ANYTHING you tell it.)
Wizardess |The first command I gave will read the RDBs and output it to a
|"mount" command compatible mountfile.
Wizardess |The second command reads that file back into the RDBs.
RMerlin |Bah
RMerlin |I use SI for that :)
RMerlin |As for RDB backups, I have some small CLI tool for that, forgot
|the name
Wizardess |SI is suboptimal.
Wizardess |(Disks lie)
Womble |Wizardess: Interesting... isn't there rather more info needed
|though?
Jkay |who is the fool questioning joanne dow? :)
Wizardess |Like what>
RMerlin |But I often need to update the filesystem here, so I prefer
|something simpler to use like HDToolBox for that
Womble |Wizardess: I mean, more info than you get in PART blocks?
Womble |Wizardess: Why don't I just get hold of RDPrepX and read the
|docs....
Wizardess |There is a section in the mountfile RDPrepX produces that stores,
|in a mount compatible format(!), the disk information and flags.
Wizardess |{^_-}
Wizardess |Also get RDTool for grins and giggles.
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Ratleto |re
Wizardess |It will take a small text file that describes your wannas for
|formatting the disk, things like minimum size and % of disk.
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_bladez_ |rm: when you update filesystems you don't lose the data on the
|disk when you save the changes to the HD?
Ratleto |any news yet?
Wizardess |Then it builds RDBs, installs them, formats them, and has you
|ready to rock and roll without reboots.
RMerlin |_bladez_: No, unless you use a non-compatible filesystem.
Wizardess |Yes and no
_bladez_ |hmmm =)
Wizardess |If you do not change the filesystem or geometry you lose nothing.
Womble |Where is RDTool?
Wizardess |If you change the geometry "just so" you lose nothing. (THere are
|key numbers that CANNOT change...)
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Womble |Wizardess: Number of sectors per cylinder is critical, right?
_bladez_ |wiz: the type of filesystem .. so if you stick with ffs then you
|should be fine when you do an update?
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Womble |_bladez_: Yes!
Wizardess |You can even do "the absurd", like overlapping partitions. (I had
|two partitions once that literally shared block zero and
|everything but reserved and prealloc parameters. {^_-} )
Wizardess |Depends on what you change, remember.
Wizardess |Changing flags, like reselect flag, will not affect things.
|Changing a the flag for "last drive" (I never set that or its
|kin) will be fine, too.
Jkay |do NOT attempt to do what the wizardess does. it beyond your
|abilities as an amiga mortal
Wizardess |I'd be careful with other things.
Wizardess |Heh - *I* don't *RUN* that partition!
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Womble |Wizardess: Sounds like it would fit in well under Unix...
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Wizardess |But I have had partitions with completely different parameters
|for blocks per track etc due to a crazy demand in Amiga UNIX beta.
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Womble |Jkay: Hello? I've rebuilt a partition table by hand before. It's
|not *that* difficult.
Wizardess |Not really - if you pay attention to the docs and can make sense
|of them. {^_-}
Wizardess |(ANd realize that "tracks", "blockspertrack", "sectors",
|"surfaces", "cylinders" are all fictions with no basis in SCSI
|fact.
Wizardess |{^_-}
Jkay |Womble: you are an argumentative fellow. has anyone ever pointed
|this out to you?
Womble |Jkay: Yes ;-)
RMerlin |Errr... I wouldn't fool too much with the surfaces setting :)
Wizardess |What matters is avoiding overlaps on what these numbers define as
|first and last blocks in a partition. If you manage that then any
|paramters will do. {^_-}
Jkay |Im hungry.
Womble |IT's all AmigaDOS's fault!
Womble |Cylinders, sectors, heads... all lies...
Wizardess |(I received a disk from "SCSI", Gayle Noble, that still had her
|CLtd partitions on it. I figured THAT out and was able to read
|the disk just fine. What's this so hard about doing things like
|that? Womble's right - more or less.)
Wizardess |No it is not AmigaDOS fault. It is MetaComco's and TripOS's
|fault.
Wizardess |It inherited from there.
Womble |Well, I'm using AmigaDOS to mean the DOS bit.... which is the
|same as what you're saying
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Wizardess |I just referred back to the original blame, Womble. {^__}
Wizardess |er {^_-}
Womble |Anyway, do you have any interest in the 64-bit Format code I've
|done?
Wizardess |It might be interesting.
Zinn |Who's the guy on webcam?
Womble |Wizardess: I'll send it on, then
Wizardess |Format is something I probably will not do directly. RDTool uses
|"System()" to run the AmigaDOS format command.
Womble |Wizardess: This is intended to be a direct replacement for that.
Wizardess |Direct replacement for "which that">
Wizardess |RDTool was build for ATL up in Washington for production preping
|drives.
Womble |For the AmigaDOS format command
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Wizardess |They have allowed me to shareware it.
Wizardess |The AmigaDOS format command exists - - why replace it? {o.o} <- I
|recycle code.
Womble |Because it's not safe with disks larger than 4 GB in size.
RMerlin |Because it's slow and outdated? :)
Wizardess |(I do not like to see useable code consigned to the landfills of
|America where it might pollute the environment. {O,o})
Womble |It won't even fail, it'll just screw up your disk
Wizardess |It will be.
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Wizardess |When 3.5 goes that is one of the things they will have to fix.
Womble |There are other nasty problems lurking around that my code will
|check for
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RMerlin |3.5 is vapor now.
RMerlin |H&P can't code their way out of a wet paperbag
Wizardess |True. So I am not working on the new RDPrepX.
snapper |Rmerlin You missed Cooksie
RMerlin |As for P5, I doubt they will get Ralph to ever work on this
Womble |For example, if you have an IDE drive and a scsi.device that
|doesn't limit transfer lengths, it'll spot that and set
|MaxTransfer safely
snapper |JoAnne..... I don;t beleive it..
Wizardess |I don't either.
Wizardess |<- slumming. {^_-}
snapper |You're gonna hear about this ;)
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Womble |Wizardess: Have you heard anything more than the general Amiga
|public about 3.5?
Wizardess |Nope - that is why things are hanging fire.
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RMerlin |I guess we can screw the NDAs now :)
RMerlin |3.5 was getting a new icon format.
snapper |Wizaedess Steve Krueger hangs around here to these days, but
|thats about it for old scholl
RMerlin |Some fixes, but none to BOOPSI - Barthel didn't wanted to touch
|it
Womble |Hmm, well, I've checked out Format64 off Aminet and it's bogus
|;-)
RMerlin |TCP/IP stack-wise, they weren't sure yet what to use.
RMerlin |New BOOPSI classes
RMerlin |Very few additions to the ROM because of lack of room
Womble |Take workbench out of ROM!
snapper |Wzardess hows loren
RMerlin |They barely had a few KBs free after they had cleaned it as much
|as possible
Wizardess |Wull, I am having good luck with IN225 on a remarkably complex
|network. (And Snapper's gonna HATE to hear that.)
Womble |Mind you, it's already been taken out on the 4000R
Womble |4000T even
RMerlin |They had taken a look at WB replacements, but I don't know if
|they had taken any decision there
snapper |Wizardess Not really,my license expired long ago
Wizardess |Wizardess and Loren will be wandering out to dinner soon. (Er, he
|just got out of his casket er bed.)
Womble |WB replacements? Waste of time, it would break too much.
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Wizardess |Ah so
Womble |Not that WB doesn't suck....
RMerlin |Womble: So I suspect they weren't going to use either of those
|they considered (Scalos and DopeUS)
RMerlin |DopeUS was WAY too big
RMerlin |As for Scalos, it was in ASM and the author showed very little
|interest
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Wizardess |Large functionality leads to large code. {o.o}
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Womble |SO basically they're doing exactly what Olaf said was a bad idea,
|which is to search around for 3rd party utils and try to bundle
|them?
snapper |Wizardess But have no fear, AS-666 is near ;)
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Wizardess |
RMerlin |Womble: That was only part of the plans.
RMerlin |Womble: And I remind you that they WERE doing.
RMerlin |3.5 is officialy cancelled
RMerlin |It was canned 2 weeks before St Louis
snapper |Wizardess Got an Amiga browser ?
Womble |You mean H&P gave up?
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Womble |I'm not entirely surprised.
«Nick» |Kre_ZZzz is now known as Kreton.
RMerlin |Womble: I'm talking about the REAL 3.5, the Ainc one.
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RMerlin |Not those background noises spitted out by P5 and H&P
Womble |Well, has H&P done anything - that's the question
Wizardess |However, H&P and P5 are talking - so far ONLY talking - about
|cooperating to do 3.5 or something like it.
RMerlin |Womble: I'd say no.
RMerlin |It will never happen.
Wizardess |I refuse to hold my breath over it.
Womble |Wizardess: Steffen and Ralph still keep flaming on though :-(
Wizardess |OTOH if things said here are true I refuse to hold my breath
|about ANY of this. {o.o}
RMerlin |The mere fact that they dropped hints about it right after St
|Louis shows how it was more a first-time reactiion to the shock
|of seeing Ainc scrap the current software and hardware.
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KarlosI |Screw P5 & HA&P, they've caused enough trouble as it is in the
|last year!!
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fibbs |when does that bankquet (sp) finish?
RMerlin |And frankly, I wouldn't put a new ROM in my A1200 that contained
|H&P code. :)
Wizardess |Sure they have. But if they can cooperate I can, too.
Womble |fibbs: When the bar runs out?
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fibbs |when do we find out what was said at the bankquet!
Kreton |Yeah, did anything happen at AmiWest?
fibbs |like specs of the "chips they're looking at"
Wizardess |It kept the natives from getting too restless?
TheBarron |as if
Womble |Chips? I'd expect higher-class food than that at a' banquet'.
Jkay |fibbs: Carl S is speaking at the banquet, not an Amiga person
fibbs |hmmmm okay
snapper |.msg Wizardess Schindler hasnt signed anything with anyone and
|wont know thet he got his cheque from GW and has turned
|EVERYTHING over to Allan now, hels gonna be making the decision
|on my project as well now.
fibbs |Bill McEwen said they'd announce the specs of the chips they were
|looking at though.
Womble |Thankyou for that, snapper
Jkay |WHEE
fibbs |He lied to us..?
Jkay |try /query
TheBarron |jkay: his own client, remember? :)
Jkay |tell us all about your project, uncle snapper !
snapper |fibbs Ya, he also said they havent decoded on the chip and are
|still chosing between 3, so what specs are these ... huh huh huh
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RMerlin |This whole thing is full of hot air
Womble |snapper: They haven't decided on the *chip*???
RMerlin |Just like during the Escom days
RMerlin |And during the last CBM days
Womble |What is this shit?
fibbs |/mgs Wizardess what?!? Amiga Inc are filing for bankruptcy?? ooh
|man.. careful with this news, we dont want it getting out..
snapper |Well,thats what Bill said a couple hours ago
marmoset |haha
Womble |fibbs: *LOL*
RMerlin |I stopped believing in smoke dreams years ago.
snapper |and 5 minutes later he;s saying he;s gonna release specs, you
|should be able to add 2 and 2 ;)
marmoset |.msg fibbs no, I don't want those jpgs of you and the horse doing
|the nasty
fibbs | Bill: when will the specs be anounced? :)
d9090 |Womble.. I can second that.. haven't even decided on the company
|yet.. ???
fibbs | Locutus: The performance numbers are being announced
|toniught
fibbs | Bill: they're beeing announced FOR SURE? :)
fibbs | Winter): Absolutely tonight.
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Wizardess |??? I never said anything about AI vis a vis Bankruptcy. I've
|never heard anything about that as a possibiltiy even.
fibbs |Wizardess: I was kidding. :)
Wizardess |I sorta figured - but rumors do get outa hand.
snapper |Oh AI is WELL financed...no problem there
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fibbs |/mgs snappa what?? Amiga Inc are filing for bankruptcy AND taking
|Gateway down with them?!?!
snapper |There is absolutely no doubt that Allan Havermose will build a
|really neet new Amiga and OS..... what happens after that is the
|question
Wizardess |That Locutus there? If so he has a "Good Ole Boy Belly!" {^_-}
Ratleto |and that's in 11 mins?
elbmoW |snapper: Well, I doubt he can do it on his own, or with him and
|Fleecy doing it all. So who else is going to work on it?
d9090 |Womble.. also mentioned by Bill.. 7 of the 10 top consumer
|electronic corps have contacted Amiga Inc about Amiga plans..
Ratleto |or?
Wizardess |Which Bill?
RMerlin |d9090: Inquiring costs them nothing.
elbmoW |d9090: Which means nothing.
snapper | .msg fibbs Not at all, Allan wouldn;lt have signed on if the
|money wasn't there, and i mean BIG bucks
Wizardess |Si
elbmoW |snapper: Oh, please learn to type
fibbs |elbmoW: I tried to ask Bill what they were doing to ensure OS4.0
|gets out by November, besides the obvious, liscensing the kernal..
d9090 |Bill Mc what's his name from AmigaInc.
Wizardess |A picture of astonishment!
fibbs |elbmoW: but me and about 3 other people werent able to get our
|questions in before he left
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«Nick» |elbmoW is now known as Womble.
snapper |bill McEwen, the sacrificail lamb for the show, also know as
|marketing manager....
Wizardess |So somebody IS there?
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RMerlin |snapper: Oh, he's just filling Darreck's shoes this time :)
snapper |Wizrdess Ya, the marketting guy
Womble |Darreck's there too
fibbs |Oy, webcam person, what are you grinning at!
fibbs |hehe
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Wizardess |ONLY the marketing guy? Hm, do they all fly up tomowwy or
|something?
snapper |Wizardess But hels not very good at the game yet ;) you can get
|him to contradict himslf pretty quck ;)
Wizardess |Or has the announcement failed?
RMerlin |Wizardess: You see, four shows in three m onths is getting like
|ridiculous :)
Wizardess |I take it you were there?
snapper |Wizardess No announcements, Allan hasn;t finshed signing for the
|kernel partner
Wizardess |Well, that is truth, RM
Womble |Wizardess: Apparently they all pulled out at the last minute for
|important negotiations... so they say
d9090 |Wizardess.. I always had faith. But there are three companies
|doing roughly equivalent MMC projects??!
RMerlin |Can't expect them to go to every single show, especialy with
|every usergroup now having his own local show these days ;)
RMerlin |I wish we still had one in Montreal.
d9090 |that is scary.. who does the OS for the other two? :-/
NiteFlite |Me too RMerlin, get on it!
Wizardess |I'd love one here in LALA land.
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RMerlin |NiteFlite: Moi? I can't even organize my personal life :)
fibbs |How far off is 8.30 PDT?
NiteFlite |RMerlin: Then you are perfect.
fibbs |I gotta get off the modem. :)
Wizardess |Whodat grinnin dat way?
NiteFlite |RMerlin: Being that AI never says much during the show.
marmoset |fibbs: 1.5 hrs
Wizardess |Why? Is it too hot for your buns? {O,o}
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fibbs |marmoset: cool
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RMerlin |NiteFlite: Oh I don't want a show to get some AI persons
|pretending to have news when they don't, all I'd want would be to
|meet other guys out there :)
fibbs |the webcam person has gone froom smiling to half smiling to
|looking quite serious.
snapper |One rumor suggests they bailed because they didn;t want to endure
|a particular reporter/magazine... i;m not buying that though, i
|figure it;s simply a matter of they havent signed the agreements
|for the kernel yet which is fact, so there;s no point to coming
|if you can;t annunce that
Ratleto |›10;0;65535;33024;0;0;647754883;822671|
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Joker |with the closegadget ? :)
Womble |Yep, as I thought. ADE bug.
fibbs |Ratleto: get a real IRC client! look at the crap you're sending
|out " ›10;0;65535;33024;0;0;647754883;822671| "
Ratleto |womble:hehe...yeah...and too many channels and windows going. :-)
fibbs |" 10;0;65535;33024;0;0;647754883;822671| "
Womble |fibbs: It's an ADE bug
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Ratleto |fibbs:I know.. but I like ircII :-)
Wizardess |IMHO ADE is a bug....
Joker |like the SSH port which doesnt support cursorkeys :)
Womble |Wizardess: Aw... and after all that work.
fibbs |hehe
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RMerlin |The trick is to do your own ports under ADE :)
RMerlin |Not to use existing ports ;)
Womble |Wizardess: At least it has a working delete command, unlike
|standard AmigaOS
RMerlin |My ncftp compile works flawlessly here
NorthWay |I can't get ssh-keygen to work...
Wizardess |I do serial and parallel and scsi ports. DOes that count? {O,o}
Joker |RMerlin: oh .. give me a working ssh client please :)
marmoset |it's gg not ade and it rules for what it is.
snapper |my delete command works just fine...in fact to good ;)
Womble |RMerlin: ncftp seems to work OK except for some console stuff
fibbs |Womble: my delete command doesnt work either.. I've been forced
|to keep every mod and AMOS game downloaded off aminet by accident!
RMerlin |Womble: WOrks fine if you install the proper terminfo stuff
Wizardess |Linux NCFTP is FAR FAR nicer than the AMiga port.
Ratleto |I guess I have to wait for a Rebol-IRC-client. :-) so i can run
|the same client on Amiga and unix/linux
Womble |I think ncftp is pretty horrid anyway, because it doesn't use
|standard ftp commands
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RMerlin |Womble: It's still better than the pure crap we have on the
|Amiga.
Wizardess |Enh - who cares about that? It is far better than standard ftp
|for usual work.
Womble |I just wish I could use BSD's ftp client with proper
|command-line editing and stuff. That would suit me fine.
RMerlin |AmFTP chokes on resuming quite often, will choke if you're with a
|lagged server, and so on
Wizardess |He lifts the keyboard. Does he say something!
RMerlin |AmiFTP is programmed like a pig
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RMerlin |DaFTP crashes within mins
Ratleto |2 mins left?
Wizardess |The suspense is killing me. {^_-}
fibbs |AmFTP crashes when doing ADT searches
fibbs |GURU's
snapper |what suspense
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fibbs |takes out your complete system if you click on the same screen as
|the crashed AmFTP
snapper |there he is
marmoset |hmm, I never have any problems with amftp
snapper |it's old folks night ;)
Wizardess |The guy on WebTV just typed something I think. Steve? Dat you?
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NorthWay |have we bashed RDPrepX yet?
RMerlin |AmFTP's depth gadget won't even work while it's trying to
|connect. Lousy MOOEY.
fibbs |marmoset: it hates me. it wakes me up in the middle of the night
|and gives me chinese burns!
NiteFlite |How many web cams are there?
Wizardess |I unbashed it.
SteveK |me - webtv? I don't think so
NorthWay |RDPrepX never liked my big blocks
Wizardess |I didn't either. He doesn;t really look like you
snapper |Steve No, the WebTV software camera viewr, not the other one ;)
GaFlunkey |the Webcam guy, CaseyHalv is on #amiga
Wizardess |But it looks like he might be trying to say something about the
|time you joined.
Wizardess |???? Howinheck big are they?
NorthWay |1K/2K
Wizardess |No sweat - works here.
RMerlin |Big Badaboom
NorthWay |and not here
Wizardess |RDPrep will die, though.
DFDuck |What computer and software are they using for the webcam?
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Wizardess |X will work through 16384 bytes.
Wizardess |(ANd without special parameter will lock up on csascsi.device
|because of that.)
NorthWay |2.90 is the most recent version?
NiteFlite |snapper: So it is your positioin that nothing was announced
|since the needed agreements arent signed yet. Do you think that
|all these big companies are getting cold feet about doing
|anything with AINc?
Wizardess |Lordy no - for very latest try
|"home.earthlink.net/~jdow/RDTool.hhml" or
|"people.delphi.com/~jdow/RDTool.html".
Ratleto |whoa..is that a cop on the webcam? :-)
RMerlin |NiteFlite: no, it's just Schindler's bad breath.
Wizardess |Howsosomeever 2.90 should work for THAT.
Kreton |They're goin to take away casey :)
Wizardess |Yeah man! (Good pose you there....)
snapper |NiteFlite Yes, we know the kernel deal hasn;t been signed so if
|Allan couldnlt make an announcement he;s not likely got any
|reason to attend... it;s still a bit early to have that in place
|yet, he; only been on the job 8 weeks now
RMerlin |I guess Sun is just too busy right now with their case against MS
|;)
Wizardess |Security guard I would suppose. You can BET the vendors would
|want their stuff well watched!
NiteFlite |Whose "we"?
snapper |NiteFlite chaulkit up to the dorkie boys.... promising
|announcements for this show was pretty damn optomistic
NiteFlite |snapper: But do you think these companies are really lining up
|to do business with AInc?
marmoset |we need a murder at amiwest with the crime being solved by webcam
|archives :)
snapper |NiteFlite What companies ? ;)
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portnoy |Man I'd like to have Java, too many web sites demand it
Ratleto |all I need to know is when the next announcement is coming..
RMerlin |Ice cream break, brb
Womble |Wizardess: Is it really possible to have a block size of, say,
|1536 bytes?
«Nick» |RMerlin is now known as RM_Away.
snapper |NiteFlite: There is absolutely no doubt that Allan Havermose will
|build a really neet new Amiga and OS..... what happens after that
|is the question
Toast |Any news?
Wizardess |No - but if some filesystem ever DOES support that RDPrepX will
|handle it.
Womble |Wizardess: Ah, OK ;-)
NiteFlite |snapper: Do you think Allan may just push Jeff out as the force
|for the new Amiga, relegating Jeff to purchasing paper clips?
Wizardess |I *think* it will even handle oddball sizes like 180 byte
|Burroughs disks.
Wizardess |However, no known filesystem will touch that other than the
|Burroughs file systems for obsolete machines.
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Toast |Looks like Havemose is calling the shots now...
Wizardess |Sounds like a plan, snapper.
snapper |NiteFLite Allan is head of enginering, Jeff is head of Amiga
|Inc.... Jeff isnt designing or building anything
fibbs |Datatypes are great. I like datatypes. Next generation datatypes
|in OS 4.0/5.0 woould be cool.
Wizardess |(Havemose is someone I rather admire.)
Wizardess |I bet it gets boring in that room at night.
NiteFlite |Allan is very nice, got to speak to him for 15 minutes in
|Toronto.
Womble |Um, Jeff Schindler is General Manager.... quite a different job
|from being a technical manager
Lambertus |Ratleto: an hour and 45 mins
fibbs |snapper: head of engineering? I thought he was in charge of OS
|development
Womble |I spoke to Allan for a while in London
«Nick» |RM_Away is now known as RMerlin.
Toast |Isn't Sassenrath going to have a say on the new os?
Womble |Toast: Not so far as we know.
Ratleto |oh shit...then it'll be 6 am here
Womble |Toast: He's not being paid by AInc
Wizardess |Say probably not. Input I would suspect so.
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Lambertus |5.30 AM actually... same here.
Ratleto |oh..ok
Lambertus |Sorry.. Calculation gets blurred this late, Ratlet
Womble |I seem to remembered mention from Allan that he had talked to
|Carl.. which is not surprising
Lambertus |Ratleto
fibbs |bbl.. in 1.5 hrs to see what BillM has to say
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Ratleto |lambert: :-)
Toast |If the new amiga os isn't made by who wrote it in the first
|place, it may not be a new amiga os
snapper |fibbs Well despite whatt he web page says, and there is/was a
|reason for that, Allan Havermose is head of engineering, he is
|solely responsible for the new machine, design, architecture and
|OS, Schindler just signs the cheques
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NiteFlite |I thought Carl was one of those advisors under a contract.
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Wizardess |Carl has opinions to be respected.
«Nick» |Mousehunt is now known as Kreton.
Lambertus |Actually: Mitt navn er Bert og jeg er Nederlandsk
RMerlin |Toast: Uh, who do you think updated the OS after 1.x?
NiteFlite |snapper: ... and runs to hospitals?
Wizardess |Lambertus - geshundheidt!
Ratleto |lambert:but you do speak norwegian :-)
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d9090 |Womble.. they consulted on using Exec (both nixxed the idea).
|Carl is primarily there for REBOL.
Toast |Lambertus: Du é faen ikkje Nederlandsk Labbetuss!!
snapper |Carls envolvement was purely consultant in nature, he and Jeff
|discussed things, he and Allan discusse dthings, but Carl has his
|own company with 8 enployees to run, he isn;t involved,it;s all
|Allans show
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Lambertus |Wizz: Geshundheidt sounds like a mix of Dutch and German...
Zeqk |Is there anywhere to look for a report of the show today?
Womble |RMerlin: Allan was in charge of the OS from 2.1 onwards, actually
RMerlin |8!?
RMerlin |Wow, more than P5 :)
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RMerlin |Womble: He's refering to Sassenrath.
Wizardess |swinedeutsch
Lambertus |Toast: Ikke? Jeg ER Nederlandsk!
NiteFlite |Phase5: Where do you want to work tomorrow?
Ratleto |toast:mange nederlendere snakker bra norsk altså.
d9090 |NiteFlite.. :-)))
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Lambertus |Wiz: Schweinedeutscher?
Womble |RMerlin: Carl left after 1.1, iirc.
snapper |RMerlin there'l ne 14 soon ;)
DFDuck |I'm told the cam is power by a vlab motion and Amiga 3000
Wizardess |Irish mostly
snapper |RMerlin there'l be 14 soon ;)
RMerlin |Womble: Yes, if not 1.0
RMerlin |CBM didn't liked his plans ;)
Jkay |mm .. hot n sour soup
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Womble |RMerlin: 1.0, aka "0.1ß"
snapper |RMerlin by first of the year t shouldbe around 30
RMerlin |He wanted to go with SMP
Womble |RMerlin: More like, he didn't like CBM's management
portnoy |It used to be run on a standard VLab, last I heard
RMerlin |Womble: Oh, he would have liked them if they had told him "Yes,
|go ahead with whatever you're planning" ;)
DFDuck |portnoy: The above is what Casey told me.
Womble |RMerlin: I'm interested by your mention of SMP, though. How would
|that work?
Wizardess |Email it - what controller do you use? (I'll catch it later
|tonite.)
Wizardess |jdow@bix.com
snapper |Yes well why Carl left the first time has been translated by many
|people over the years.... the truth is somewhat subjective at
|this point and totally meaningless anyway
RMerlin |Womble: You'd have to ask him. He just told us one night that he
|figured that now that he had achieved multitasking, next logical
|step was multiprocessing.
Zeqk |I know it's unfashionable for an Amiga user to appreciate C=, but
|realistically, they did more for the Amiga (aside from the
|creators) than anyone else has!
Wizardess |(Briefly how does RDPrepX fail on your system?)
snapper |But historically Carl doenlt do the same thing for much more than
|3 years at a pass
Womble |RMerlin: Sounds quite tricky given the highly integrated nature
|of the original Amiga architecture.
portnoy |DFDuck: I thought it was the setup that tekmage did, it was
|running on a regular V-Lab
RMerlin |Womble: During the 1.x days it would have been easier.
Womble |Zeqk: That doesn't mean that another company wouldn't have done
|better if they'd bough it
RMerlin |Womble: Less legacy code/hardware to accomodate.
Toast |Carl ought to get his act toghether and get us out of this mud
|hole...
snapper |Carl is onth eroad to becoming the next major developemnt inthe
|computer industry, Amiga inc isnlt inthat class
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Womble |RMerlin: Well, commodore never managed to sort out the mess of
|having functions spread across 3 chips
Zeqk |CBM didn't capitalize on Carl like they should have! He could
|have been the token Amiga Spokesperson! As Steve Jobs was to the
|Mac
«Lag» |Server finally answered; total server lag was 10.0s
d9090 |Toast.. I think he wanted to do that with Rebol... esp a rebol.os
|somewhere down the road.
Womble |Zeqk: Carl is a technical person, Jobs is a cult leader
DFDuck |portnoy: Maybe it was. He did say "right now";
|DFDuck: i am using a vlab motion and Amiga 3000 right now.
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RMerlin |Humm... Some people need to know what Sassenreath REALLY did in
|AmigaOS.
Wizardess |Well, Womble, word I heard was that they sorta had but could not
|get C= management to market it.
RMerlin |Do you REALLY think he single-handledly designed and wrote
|AmigaOS 1.0?
RMerlin |All he did was exec
Womble |Wizardess: In AAA?
Wizardess |RJ was there. So were dozens of others.
RMerlin |Exactly.
Wizardess |No not AAA. SOmething different.
RMerlin |Luck and Mical had as much to do with what AmigaOS was.
Womble |RMerlin: Well, all the rest of it was a bunch of quick hacks ;-)
Toast |We could need a guru like Jobs, Petro just doesn't have the
|charm :)
Wizardess |THey looked at putting it all on CMOS I hear. Got a prelim but
|never went farther.
RMerlin |Womble: I think Mical did a great job back then with Intuition.
Womble |Wizardess: Seems to me that CBM must have been crippled by having
|those big expensive but outdated factories used for making C64
|stuff. is that right?
Jkay |Toast: the term is "Evangelist"
Womble |RMerlin: For a three-week job, it was good...
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Zeqk |Womble: Yes, however he is young and likeable...a good spokesman
|for a company and computer that were usually faceless.
Wizardess |Yeah - MOS Technology became quite obsolescent towards the end.
NorthWay |I understood Carl did the specs for the DOS part
Womble |RMerlin: *Stunningly* good, for a 3-week job. But not that good
|in absolute terms
RMerlin |NorthWay: The real Amiga DOS that wasn't used?
NorthWay |rm: yeah
Jkay |Petro has no charm? He could charm the pants off an Amish
|suspender salesman
Womble |Carl said CAOS was done by an outside firm and was a lot like
|Unix
RMerlin |Womble: Put yourself back in the 1984 context. back then, it was
|peeing all over MacOS's stuff.
snapper |RJ passed intuition on fairly early just like every other module
|he started, RJ is one of thoise people that gets it going and
|then gives it to someone esle to follow through
Joker |bye
Wizardess |Petro left me thinking in terms of "Used Car Salseman." But then
|I am unregenerate.
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Ratleto |jkay:whoa..scary picture.. :-b
snapper |Carl goes 3 years on something RJ goes 3 months ;)
Womble |RMerlin: Graphically it was more flexible... but you had to make
|everything yourself instead of using something easy like ResEdit
Jkay |Wizardess: is that legal in your state?
Womble |Wizardess: Well, isn't that what "Amiga Classic" technology is
|now? :-(
RMerlin |Womble: ToolMaker was supposed to be the answer to that.
Wizardess |Only for ham radio operators.
Womble |RMerlin: I heard about that...
RMerlin |Womble: I have it somewhere.
Zeqk |Petro seems like a nice guy, however he comes off as a German
|Drunk (which is fine with me, but not helpful to marketing)
NiteFlite |I remember paying $800 for my 500. Sigh.
Zeqk |Womble: there are some files on the aminet that discuss Amiga
|history in depth..
Wizardess |<- Bought hers 2 Nov 85. Attended Monterey devcon a short while
|later. {^_-}
Womble |Zeqk: I have read them.
portnoy |NiteFlite: I recall paying $2k for my 2K
RMerlin |Wizardess: So you decided to wait for 1.1? :)
Jkay |Wizardess: was the the one with Jimi Hendrix?
NorthWay |Wizardess: got any SeekRat DevCon notes to share? :)
Wizardess |Nope - 1.1 came out somewhat later.
d9090 |Feb 1986 $1299 for 1000...
Womble |Wizardess: Who exactly got 1.0? Wasn't that basically a developer
|release?
Wizardess |(I even managed to corral some 29.x disks. {^_-})
Zeqk |Bought mine in 87'...i remember people saying...what do you need
|that kind of graphic capability for? It's a toy!
NorthWay |Wizardess: btw, 0.97 is doing the rounds
Wizardess |Nope - came on the first Amigas.
RMerlin |Wizardess: 1.1's version is nov-85, I guess it got released
|around january then
DFDuck |I started using Amiga in '85 too. But didn't have my own till
|'86. And have never looked back.
d9090 |I've got 1.0
RMerlin |Wizardess: I have v27 stuff here :)
NorthWay |I mean 29, not 0.97
Ratleto |hm.. I payed $625 for my A500 in june 88
Womble |RMerlin: Wow....
RMerlin |Won't run with UAE - too old
Wizardess |It came out a month or two after I got 1.0. IT was a BIG
|improvement. And 1.2 was an even bigger improvement. And 2.04 was
|actually stable.
snapper |Quite a while as long as you didnlt drag a window inside out ;)
Zeqk |The wedge cases C= was so fond of were silly...and
|expensive....C= was a really weird company (but i think, in
|hindsight, that was about the only charm they had)
Wizardess |Minutes - hour - depends on what you did.
NorthWay |rm: heh. that's actually quiet funny
Womble |Wizardess: YEah, I noticed that it took 5 years to get the damn
|thing stable
RMerlin |NorthWay: Does V27 have the buffered trackdisk.device?
d9090 |I could get an hour out of Graphicraft.. if you stayed away from
|the synthesizer section, bout the same in Musicraft
Wizardess |Ah yes - I remember that little trick!
NorthWay |rm: never could check. UAE crash&burn
RMerlin |NorthWay: Resource it :)
snapper |Ya and it;s taken The AT bouys 5 months to make it unstable
Womble |RMerlin: Any idea why it doesn't work with UAE?
RMerlin |Womble: No idea, possibly differences in the hardware registers?
Womble |RMerlin: Does it work on an A500?
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RMerlin |v27 might have been working on simulators
snapper |Thank god the Eye See Oh ehh didnlt get their hands on it
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Womble |RMerlin: Yes, I suppose it's possible it wouldn't run on any real
|Amiga...
Zeqk |You know if the Amiga does make a mainstream comeback that will
|be the first full-fledged miracle i've witnessed in the computer
|world..
Ratleto |g'night all.. 4.30 am here...
RMerlin |Zeqk: Too late, there's already one happening:
_bladez_ |hehe
RMerlin |Apple is making profit for another quarter :)
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Wizardess |Yeah - at about sunup it is time to go to bed.
NorthWay |not that it would be much Amiga in it
Lambertus |Bye, Ratleto
Wizardess |{^n^}
Lambertus |God natt
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snapper |Northway It will have the sticker ;)
Zeqk |RMerlin: Yeah...but Apple never went under, and they have the
|perfect crutch (Pepsi)
NorthWay |snapper: yep. but it should be called the Lorraine
RMerlin |Zeqk: They were _that_ close to going under when Jobbs and Gates
|came in
Zeqk |I never understood why C= went under and Apple didn't!
Womble |Didn't Jobs get Sculley from Pepsi by asking him "Do you want to
|sell sugar-water all your life?"
portnoy |Womble: That's the story
RMerlin |Womble: CBM once had someone from Pepsi (or was it Coke?)
Toast |A Mac is just like an Amiga without the magic
Womble |Zeqk: Apple was smart enough to get a niche and market well to it
d9090 |Thomas Rattigan from Pepsi, Europe...
Womble |A Mac is a closed box
Zeqk |Womble: but the Amiga had Video...just as much of a niche market
|as DTP?
snapper |Apple had more resources, was a much oarger company and was able
|to prevent the creditors from closing them down, C= onthe other
|hand had screwed its creditors for years and they wanted blood
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Womble |Zeqk: Commodore didn't market to it properly... then there was
|the farce with the A3000 and VT (which was NewTek's fault, but
|still...)
Zeqk |Whatever happened to Jack Tramiel? he's a strange one..
DFDuck |Apple gave computers to schools. So of course people had to have
|one at home. Brilliant marketing scheme. In my opinion thats what
|kept them alive for so long.
RMerlin |Zeqk: Retired :)
Lambertus |(And all that while blood isn't that tasty)
NiteFlite |'Macintosh' A mac is designed for the inexperienced computer
|user, made large so that it can't be accidentally inserted in the
|rectum, and with rounded edges in case somebody manages to do it
|anyway.
d9090 |iirc he even tried to leverage Irving out like Sculley did Jobs,
|but only bought a golden parachute.
Womble |Yes, of course Apple had multiple niches...
Womble |NiteFlite: And it has those rounded edges on the screen display,
|to make it look more friendly
Zeqk |NiteFlite: Agreed, but at least it works (i've had a lot of Pc's
|that couldn't usually claim that "honor")
snapper |niteFlite You mst like that imac
d9090 |Tramiel went to Atari cuz Commodore wouldn't make cushie room for
|his sons.. from there I dunno.
RMerlin |d9090: He ran Atari for years, then gave his place to his son Sam
Womble |The iMac looked quite cool in that photo where it was glowing -
|such a shame they don't really have lights to illluminate it like
|that!
NiteFlite |snapper: It's ugly, Apple is betting that it will steal Windoze
|customers with it, I doubt it.
Zeqk |Yeah, but his sons were qualified and after all Tramiel created
|C=
RMerlin |Atari died under Sam Tramiel's rule
snapper |But its got really rounded corners ;)
Lizard |Was there anything spectacular on today's show?
Zeqk |Well the Jaguar wasn't that bad of an idea was it?
RMerlin |Zeqk: It was very lame.
RMerlin |1) cartridges
d9090 |RMerlin.. ya knew that.. but dunno where he went from there..
|retirement?
_bladez_ |zeq: especially for a 64bit console.
RMerlin |2) Lousy CPU
snapper |Ya, Jaguar was such a great idea Atari Software refused to
|develop for it ;)
RMerlin |d9090: When Sam took his place, he retired.
RMerlin |_bladez_: It wasn't a real 64-bits console.
portnoy |I almost bought a Jag just to play Wolfenstein 3D
RMerlin |I forgot the details, but it wasn't nearly real 64-bits
_bladez_ |rm: well they were trying to make it out as one?!
Zeqk |I mean look what they had to work with! The ST was obviously
|already developed when Tramiel came in (and we all know how
|"Cool" an ST is) and they obviously didn't have much engineering
|talent left (Jay Miner who did create the Atari 800, which was
|amazing)
RMerlin |_bladez_: Yeah
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Womble |RMerlin: It has 64-bit graphics chips but a 68000 CPU
NiteFlite |I saw a 3D0 machine for $30 at a local store, might be tempted.
snapper |it was 2 32 bit chips
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Toast |What a newsless show...
Womble |Zeqk: The ST is just a 68000-based PC
RMerlin |NiteFlite: For 30$ I'd buy it.
_bladez_ |rm: i'm not particular to any of the consoles atm :(
RMerlin |The 3DO is still a decent machine
d9090 |Someone was yakking about how good Jaguar was in c.s.a.m ...
|yikes.
Womble |Zeqk: It has a BIOS, MS-DOS filing-system, and GEM
RMerlin |At least it won't puke on you trying to run Doom :)
Toast |live C64!
_bladez_ |rm: the amiga was cool .. because you could play the games and
|then try to program them yourself :)
Zeqk |Womble: Yeah cobbled together to try and thawrt the Amiga, no
|doubt...desperation!
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_bladez_ |rm: and be able to learn the craft or is that the art of
|programming :)
Womble |Zeqk: No, I'm sure the ST was ready when Atari had the chance to
|buy the Amiga
Zeqk |I did love the C-64, but the Atari 800 beat the pants off of it!
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Womble |Zeqk: They wanted to buy the chips, presumably either to build
|into a console or to improve the ST
NiteFlite |Are we arguing 8 bit platforms? : -)
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Womble |NiteFlite: We're arguing anything and everything
Zeqk |Womble: Well Atari Thought they had the Amiga in the bag! They
|even fronted money to develop it!
NiteFlite |My Vic20 kicked the Atari2600's ass!
Toast |Anybody out there ever played the game called Steel Empire/Cyber
|Empire?? That game alone was worth bying the amiga for.
DFDuck |I still have a C64 and even a Vic20 with 16k ram (Woohoo!) in the
|closet.
NorthWay |sorry, the 800 was nice, but the "trick" features of the C= 64
|made it a winner
Zeqk |Niteflite: No, but the 800 is like the Amiga in that it had the
|Great Custom Chips from Jay Miner and never got the recognition
|it deserved
RMerlin |C64 had kick-ass custom chips
NiteFlite |I hated the 400 with its membrane keyboard.
Lambertus |What's the guard seeing????? The MMC?
RMerlin |SID was a blast
NiteFlite |I hacked that stereo SID thing in my 64
DFDuck |My C64 and Vic are sitting right next to my two A1000's. Dust
|collectors I'll probably never get rid of.
«CTCP» |Got USERINFO request from jim.
Zeqk |the sid chip was innovative...aside from that what was so great
|about it (okay it didn't have one of those horrible membrane
|keyboards)
NorthWay |the C= 64 had much cooler sound. and it did tricks that gave it
|more colour
_bladez_ |nite: hated anything with those keyboards cause they always wear
|so quickly.
Wizardess |Time to go convince my stomache that my throat has not been cut.
|Later guys....
«CTCP» |Got USERINFO request from jim.
d9090 |I used a 64 myself, but the tricks ANTIC could do were very
|Amiga-like and at least a match for VIC-II.
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_bladez_ |nite: and a pain in the arse to touch type on.
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Jkay |bye JD
Womble |Bye Joanne
NorthWay |and the C= 64 had sprites that could be used for games
Jkay |thanks for coming by
d9090 |Northway.. more than 256?
NiteFlite |Where I worked, the Atari's never sold, too expensive. Sold
|plenty Colecovisions if you remember those.
Lambertus |Bye Wiz
NorthWay |ciao Wiz
Wizardess |10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 VOOM!
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Womble |And the C64 had a nice cartridge port
Zeqk |Rescue on Fractalis demonstrated the 800's potential pretty
|well..
RMerlin |Zeqk: The C64 had the same game.
Womble |Mind you, the C64 was too expensive. Spectrum rules!
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Lambertus |Coco's?
jim |Did I see a Durty Duck out there?
Zeqk |Yeah but the Spectrum scraped the bottom of the barrell for too
|long...that's why they dissappeared!
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DFDuck |jim: Say what?
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Womble |Zeqk: Amstrad bought them and did Spectrum+2, +3, etc.
d9090 |Gimme TIMEX or gimme death! :-)
jim |Hi Duck, Long time..
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Zeqk |RMerlin: Yeah but if i remember correctly...the C-64 version was
|cut-rate (not sure)
Womble |Timex, bah... they're Spectrums, OK?
DFDuck |jim: Not sure who you are but hello ¦)
NorthWay |d9090: the 800 did not have 256. it had 8 just like the Amiga has
|8. and the 800 didn't have 24 pix wide sprites. and yes, you
|could trick the C= 64 to do many sprites. I think Jeff Minter did
|192 in a pause feature once
NiteFlite |So like again, no real news?
jim |I' the guy that gave you the A3000 motherboard..
snapper |192 sprites...god
d9090 |Are you sure.. I thought is was 8 out of 256.. like the Amigas 32
|out of 4096 .. been a long time.
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DFDuck |jim: Ahhh. Yes that has been a long time back. And we're both
|still foraging around too.
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Zeqk |I still play C-64 Spy Hunter....ahh...to have an amphibious car..
NorthWay |d9090: the 800 had 8 "DMA" channels that ran down the whole
|screen. you could use the "copper" to move the X placement of
|them. then you just plotted to the loooong sprite
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jim |Yup.. And my BBS is still alive, not as active as it once was,
|but alive.
NiteFlite |Computing is not as fun as it was in the C64 days.
Zeqk |NiteFlite: I agree!
Zeqk |less competition: less ideas.
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DFDuck |jim: Ive been through that computer and several others since
|then. Awhile back I had a 68000 chip "explode" on me even. That
|was fun.
NiteFlite |Shit, my uncle's KayPro was more interesting than a Windoze box.
snapper |NiteFLite you'd have a hard time playing those pron mpegs on youe
|64
Lambertus |No live updates from the banquet, right?
DFDuck |jim: BBS? People still frequent those things?
Zeqk |Yeah, about the only completely unintersting computer I remember
|is the TRS-80
CyborJim |snapper: The C64 could put all 8 sprites on each scan line and
|replicate them down verticaly as maanytimes as one would care to.
NiteFlite |snapper: Nah, didnt need mpegs back then in high school, had the
|real thing.
jim |LOL.. A one Walt Z calls 9-)
CyborJim |Well, as many times as there were scanlines, atlease.
NorthWay |there were more 8bit machines than you could shake a stick at
snapper |Oh ya, the hole in the girls locker rommwall
NorthWay |the Adam must have been one of the weirdest
NiteFlite |snapper: Exactly. : )
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d9090 |NorthWay.. A friend once showed me some color cycling demos..
|done with sprites? I'm not a programmer.
Zeqk |I remember in High School when they tried to fob educational
|computer games that ran on Apple 2's on us...ICK!
CyborJim |Is the C64 still the best selling modle of computer ever sold?
NorthWay |d9090: on what machine?
NiteFlite |I remember that God awful printer on the Adam. I even used a
|Mattel Aquarius.
DFDuck |jim: I havn't seen WaltZ lately but suspect he made amiwest, and
|probably Frank too. I was going to go and show Vaporware, but I
|couldn't quite afford to finance the whole trip.
NorthWay |the Adam had tapes!
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NiteFlite |Anyone here a fan of the TI/99?
jim |I was there today.. Not much to see. I couldn't even find a CDRom
|drive. 8-(
Zeqk |CyborJim: Probably by a single manufacturer...but by the media's
|potrayal of the history of computers...you wouldn't know it today!
d9090 |NorthWay an 8 bit Atari.. this well before Amiga or ST. One of
|the local BBS ops and Atari fanatic. Probably an 800
snapper |isn;t everyone
NorthWay |wasn't the TI the one with the odd cpu?
NorthWay |d9090: you could do lots of fancy colour cycling on the 800
NorthWay |d9090: much like the Amiga with the copper
d9090 |NorthWay.. so I'm not completely insane.. :-)
NorthWay |I think the TI had a RISC-like cpu with no registers
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Zeqk |Northway: The Atari had a tape system too...because it was less
|expensive than add on disk drives
DFDuck |jim: Ya... one of the reasons I decided not to go was because JVC
|didn't. Was going to share a booth with them. By they time they
|had decided it was kinda late; past the early price break period.
|Oh well. Life goes on.
Zeqk |Remember that screechy noise the tapes made when loading?
Fact |Any news, url's or logs worth looking at form todays shoh?
Jkay |CLOAD
NiteFlite |My Vic20 had a tape system, it was called a Datasette! heheh
Kreton |I remeber using a Hewlett Packard 9845B with streamer tapes
Jkay |CSAVE
Fact |show even
NorthWay |Zeqk: but the Adam had a kind of digital tape system. kinda like
|a backup system of today
CyborJim |I checked out a "history of computers" magazine at a local
|supermarket that contained mention of the C64. However it didn't
|mention the card that created an industry, the Video Toaster.
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Lambertus |Fact: Don't think so
Zeqk |Jkay: while we're at it Load ,* ,8 ,1
d9090 |The Coleco Adam also had a typewriter printer.. they had to scale
|down the chr/sec rate because the Adam beat the hell out of it at
|30cps. :-) Lots of warranty voids.
DFDuck |Hehe, ya the ol' Vic datasette. I built myself a steamer so I
|could copy tapes from one datasette to another. Those were the
|days.
NiteFlite |So 45 mins to Bill M?
Womble |The Adam is quite expandable
jim |and on.. and on... well.. almost out of IRC time with thei
|shareware soft.. see ya later.. Take care.
CyborJim |Shift-RUN on the C128. I hated that keyboard combination!
NorthWay |the Adam had one of the coolest lineups of sw when I was lusting
|for it
Womble |There's someone who posts an article called "This Week With MY
|Adam" to alt.folklore.computers
DFDuck |jim: Ok. You got my web page from my userinfo. Drop a line.
Womble |Which makes it sound really very interesting - I've never seen
|one in real life though
Kreton |shift run worked on the Vic20
Womble |What does Shift-Run do?
NorthWay |"Madam, I'm Adam" - from Personal Computer World (I think)
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NorthWay |LOAD(return) - RUN(return)
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Zeqk |The ads they used to produce for computer games were really
|funny...a scantily clad space vixen would almost always be
|featured..
NorthWay |I miss Popular Computing Weekly
d9090 |The Adam had a very good BASIC and a fairly fast Z80, iirc. But
|the peripherals were for poop.
NiteFlite |Nah, get an Epyx Fastload.
Womble |I had this computer called a Jupiter Ace, which was like a ZX81
|but with FORTH in ROM
NorthWay |the Jupiter Ace. weird idea
Womble |That was a weird one.
d9090 |Womble.. I remember that one too.
NiteFlite |An ex-Odessy owners?
NorthWay |and then there was all these machines with Japanese massmade
|chips in
Womble |Of course FORTH would be much faster than BASIC. It even used
|8-bit as the basic type, for speed.
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NorthWay |often Z80 based
Womble |NorthWay: MSX?
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Zeqk |Did anyone here own one of those voice control controllers for
|the Atari 2600? I never saw one in a store, but the literature
|that came with my 2600 advertised one.
Lambertus |What's the name of that wide gray machine with built in tape
|drive again?
d9090 |MSX.. format lots of Jap consumer electronic corps announced
|versions. Never materialized over here.
Womble |Lambertus: Amstrad CPC464
NorthWay |Womble: that's just one of them. Einstein. Memorex(?). Tatung
|Einstein. (not) Enterprise
Lambertus |Womble: Ah yes. Amstrad
Womble |d9090: There were lots in Asia though
Lambertus |: )
DFDuck |How about the osborn. Was that a pain or what?
NorthWay |the Amstrad I think had it's own gfx chip
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Lambertus |Osborn portable?
NorthWay |the BBC B too I think
snapper |NiteFLite So you got you're embarassing questions all ready for
|McEwen ?
d9090 |We could take heart, an MS project that didn't fly. :-)
Womble |I'm told some games were ported from Spectruym to Amstrad in a
|few hours.
Zeqk |hahah...i loved old portables...the SX-64..hehe
Womble |This is in assembly language... without many macros
DFDuck |ya, the Osborn that looked like a suitcase. You could view 1/4 of
|the screen and scroll it.
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Womble |d9090: No, I understand it was successful there
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DFDuck |suitcase=sewing machine
Womble |d9090: And many MS projects have failed - Windows 1.0, Windows
|2.0, MS Money, MS Bob, MSN
NorthWay |the Enterprise was lots of custom chips, but it was running into
|the 16bit days and died
Zeqk |New Amiga's should look like a Vic...that'd generate some
|er..consumer interest..
snapper |I liked the Osborne, but then I;m partial to orange ;l)
Lambertus |I tried an osborne some time.. Big heavy portable
Lambertus |Amber
NorthWay |then there was the Super Spectrum that turned out to be?
Womble |Super Spectrum? There were several extended Spectrums with 128K
|RAM
Lambertus |Snapper: Are you a red head lover, or carrot lover?
d9090 |MSX? Nah.. Unfortunately, for every failed project, another
|pops up. Sorta the same way Hilary plays the cattle futures
|market.
Womble |Then the +2 with built-in cassette recorder (like the CPC) and
|the +3 with a 3" disk drive
Zeqk |it's weird most of us here have some affinity for old
|computers..but not one of us brings up our fondness for an old XT
|(for good reason, of course)
NorthWay |Womble: no, this was something the ZX mags talked about, kinda
|like the C= 64 mags talked about the Amiga
Womble |Amstrad got a job lot of those 3" disk drives cheaply
CyborJim |I've had one of those Osborne lugable CP/M computers.
Womble |NorthWay: Oh, right
snapper |Orange....
_bladez_ |was anyone at the show demoing the cvppc?
Kreton |XT's still bloody work
Kreton |beat them with a stick and they still go
snapper |In fact, it';s time for an Orange Crush ;)
Womble |There's a genuine IBM AT sitting at the top of the stairs, which
|is used as a terminal
Zeqk |Kreton...yeah...but they're about as much fun as a dead rabbit.
NorthWay |the keyboards that goes "click"
DFDuck |Ok, my fondness for my XT; that was a tough old bird. I could
|THROW it against the wall and SLAM its keyboard, and it never
|broke. Tough as nails.
d9090 |I have a Full working Leading Edge Model D.. from an auction for
|$8 recently..
Womble |Got an NE2000 card in it, so you can run telnet and stuff to get
|to on e of the Linux PCs in the house...
Zeqk |there's a genuine XT holding my bedroom door open (which is what
|i believe they should be used for)
Lambertus |Duck: You tried all that? :-/
NorthWay |I'd like to get a C= 65
Kreton |Zeq: Thats why all my XT boards are lining the bottom of a
|cardboard box in the garage
Womble |I'm using the keyboard from a 1989 XT machine now, and the power
|supply is used for my Amiga too!
DFDuck |Lumbertus: Thats how pissed I used to get at it.
NorthWay |of course, there were all the failures from C=; Plus/4 etc
Zeqk |NorthWay: You and eveyone else! lots of people lust after C-65's
Lambertus |Why do you want your bedroom door open??
Womble |NorthWay: Hence the lack of cash to spend on the Amiga after they
|bought it...
NorthWay |Zeqk: they are _exclusive_
Lambertus |DFDuck: ; )
snapper |Northway They;re out there, there was a gaggle of them that wen
|tin the auction
Kreton |My Pentium case is acutally an 80's XT case
Kreton |Big chunky red switch
NorthWay |snapper: there was a company that advertised them, but sold out
|quickly
d9090 |I bought a Commodore 16 just to play with BASIC 3.5... The
|fastest selling PC in Mexico for a bout a month, iirc.
Zeqk |Lambertus: can't shout insults to people in other rooms with the
|door closed..
Womble |Kreton: Cool, I didn't have anything big like that
Womble |d9090: I learnt to program BASIC on a C16
snapper |Northway Ya, one outfit bought them all at the auction
«Nick» |AmiWest2 is now known as tekmage.
Womble |d9090: When I was 6
CyborJim |What would happen to the Amiga community if all AmigaOS 5.0
|Amigas will have webcams as standard?
NorthWay |I've had a Spectravideo once
Zeqk |I tried to get a cheap (or free) A1000 out of the local college
|here...but they use it (they said) to collect dust or something..
DFDuck |My first computer was an HP that filled half a two-car garage.
|Back in '69
Womble |CyborJim: We'll suddenly find all the porn merchants buy Amigas
NorthWay |the 1000 just looks _so_ cool
Kreton |With no friggin kickstart disk
d9090 |:-))) My first programming experience was in Fortran on an IBM
|1180 (pre 360 System) .. punch cards and teletype.
Womble |CyborJim: That would probably be a good thing, actually...
snapper |keyboard garage rools ;)
NorthWay |hack it to use 512K WOM
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DFDuck |NorthWay: I agree. always like the A1000 look, and that keyboard
|garage.
Zeqk |DFDuck: did you play it until your fingers bled (cough)
Lambertus |keyboard garage rools
Kreton |Has anyone got an A1000 kickstart disk? Or a spare ROM I can
|shove in it
Womble |The A1000 keyboard is a bit weird though
Womble |Kreton: Won't an A3000 SuperKickstart work? That has 1.3 and 2.0
|on it
snapper |Only if your used to something elkse
d9090 |Kreton.. Kickstarts 1.0, 1.1, 1.2 and 1.3 ..
Womble |Kreton: I have a copy of that somewhere
Kreton |I don't have a superkickstart disk
NorthWay |if there was any justice the 5.0 machine would be called the
|Lorraine. IMO
«Nick» |tekmage is now known as amiwest2.
Lambertus |I like the A1000 keyboard a lot, though!
Womble |NorthWay: Why don't you become an OEM? ;-)
DFDuck |Zeqk: Looking back.. I wonder how I didn't kill myself with that
|thing. It sure knocked me on my butt a few times.
snapper |no it wonlt work, A1000 is a 256kb image
Womble |snapper: Yes, and so is the 1.3 ROM at the beginning of the A3000
|SKS
Zeqk |Northway: well some people refer to the processor as Mitchie (Jay
|Miners Executive Assistant..er dog)
NorthWay |Womble: a little snag called money
Kreton |Thr A1000 only has 256k rom ram thingy
Womble |NorthWay: Ah, well
Zeqk |DFDuck: You've gotta watch those things!
d9090 |NorthWay that was one of my suggestions in c.s.a.m some time
|back.. Lorraine. The significance would be lost on non-Amigans,
|tho.
Womble |Kreton: Where's the problem?
NorthWay |the A1000 WOM can be hacked form 256K to 512K
Kreton |If someone has a kickstart disk for a1000 DMS it and send it to
|me
Womble |NorthWay: Yes, by installing new chips and stuff...
snapper |Womble I don;tthink so, it has the scsi module which is pretty
|big
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snapper |And thats superkickstart anyway, whuich is not the same as
|kicksatrt
Womble |snapper: No, the 1.3 ROM image doesn't have that - it's the same
|as the one used on the A500, which will work on the A1000
DFDuck |I've tried DMSing a kickstart disk. Doesn't work. I've got KS 1.0
|disk on up.
Kreton |I want to use the A1000 for hardware projects
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Womble |snapper: As far as I can see, the SKS disk is a kickstart disk
|with a 2.0 image added on after the 1.3 image
snapper |Womble It has to have the scsi module inthe A3k
d9090 |Kreton.. my 4000's dead. I'd almost just send them to ya if you
|could get them back (and pay postage).. or will you be at
|AmiCON's show in Ohio this fall?
snapper |Womble 1.3 isn;t on the sale disk as 20
Womble |snapper: I can assure you that the SKS disk image I have does
|*not* have any SCSI stuff in the 1.3 ROM image
Womble |snapper: It is, in the disk image I have.
Lambertus |It's getting too late for me...
Lambertus |5 AM now
Womble |Bye Lambertus
Lambertus |Bye
Zeqk |there are apparently some "limited edition" a1000's out there
|with the entire Development team's signature on the inside case,
|including Mitchie's paw print!
Kreton |d9090: Sorry, I live miles away, and I'm strapped 4 cash at the
|mo :)
CyborJim |I loved GEOS on the C64. It had a major problem, IMHO. It
|should have had BASIC with the distribution OS.
snapper |womble well A3Ks come with a 1.3 and 20 SKS diskette
Womble |Zeqk: All A1000s have that, AFAIK.
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snapper |Or rather thay came with
snapper |the early ones
DFDuck |Zeqk: I've got two of those "signature edition" a1000's.
DFDuck |I thought they all had it too. Never seen one that didnt'.
NorthWay |all 1000s had the signatures
Womble |snapper: I have a disk image I was sent my a helpful IRCer, that
|is supposed to be an A3000 SKS disk image, that has both 1.3 and
|2.0 (v36) ROM images on it
snapper |and the 1.3 module HAS to have the scsi module, how do you thing
|it reads the scsi hard drive.... tin cans and string ?
Kreton |My A1000 is a signature one
d9090 |CyborJim.. even better on the 128D with the RAM card. :-)
|Everything but GeoPublish could use the 80 columns. Very nice on
|my 1080 monitor.
Womble |snapper: Well, it doesn't.
d9090 |All 1000
Zeqk |I bought a 1080 monitor a while back for $15...i was really proud
|of myself...
Womble |snapper: Possibly if you load the 256K 1.3 image, the scsi module
|from the onboard 1.4 ROM is used
d9090 |oops.. all 1000's have signatures in the top case.. even
|Mitchie's paw print.
CyborJim |d9090: I agree. They said GEOS made the C128 compairable to the
|origional Mac, and I agree.
snapper |The onboard rom doesn;t have a scsi image, it only has a small
|amount of code to fine the disk image and not a full scsi driver
|or FS
d9090 |FWIW, I have an autograph from Jay Miner on an UltraCard v1.o
|disk..
Zeqk |CyborJim: Better than the original mac if you ask me...
CyborJim |I almost bought a C64 at a yard sale, then discovered it didn't
|have a power supply.
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DFDuck |GEOS was pretty hot for its day. I bought 1.0 and a 128 mouse for
|my C64. It never got used much because I had the 1000 next to it.
snapper |The boot rom that is
Womble |snapper: On the early A3000s, the onboard ROM is a full 1.4 ROM,
|and there is a trick you can use to boot off it.
Zeqk |there's a guy around here who sells old Atari and C= Computers
|exclusively....i have no idea how he stays in business!
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d9090 |CyborJim.. easily (I've seen classic Macs too) where it falls
|down is the screen aspect vs printer aspect
Womble |snapper: I believe that you can click somewhere in the boot
|menu... or somethting like that. Not having used an A3000, I'm
|not sure of the details.
Zeqk |maybe you hold down both mouse buttons like on an a1200?
DFDuck |Hold both mouse buttons down I think.
d9090 |DFDuck.. I used both extensively.. because frankly GeoPublish was
|better than any dtp prg on Amiga for a while (esp that I could
|afford.)
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snapper |Yes, and the 1.4 image doesnlt have much in it, it;s also a 256k
|module which is on disk, there is about 32kb of code int he boot
|roms on early A3ks
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d9090 |FWIW, I used to review GEOS stuff for INFO=64 ("GEOS Update")
|:-)
snapper |just enough to find those disk based images and load them
DFDuck |d9090: HEheh, ya. I was strugling with TextCraft 1.0. It crashed
|a lot.
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Womble |snapper: But I thought there were only two different A3000 ROMs?
|1.4 and 2.04?
Womble |snapper: Oh, and 3.1 later...
Zeqk |Some of the C-64 to Amiga ports weren't too good either... I
|remember Pirates! being better on a C-64 than on an Amiga..
d9090 |DFDuck: I was doing 30pages of newsletter a month and GeoPublish
|was a breeze.. Also looked very nice.
NorthWay |Jay Minter is dead, Dan(i) Bunten is dead, and I've got a cold
snapper |There was Boot roms which loaded kickstart from disk, and then
|there are real roms starting with 2.04
Womble |snapper: So what is the 1.4 ROM?
snapper |There is no such thig ;)
Womble |snapper: I'm sure I have seen it described as being a boot ROM...
snapper |The boot roms had some 1.4 code, just enough to get the disk
|based kikstart loaded
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Womble |snapper: Hmm....OK. That sounds sensible, but does not match what
|I have read elsewhere.
CyborJim |My friend Jeff King said he was going to the show. I think he
|said today.
Womble |snapper: Anyway, those boot ROMs would have a SCSI driver, so an
|A500 1.3 ROM image would work OK with them, right?
snapper |Womble Yes, but the kick start image of 1.3 and 2,0 in those were
|on disk.
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snapper |It was a trick ;)
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DFDuck |Ike
Ikemo |df
Womble |snapper: I understand that - the A3000 did a sort of soft reboot
|after loading the ROM image
snapper |Wonble I;m telling you it doesn;t, it has just enough code to
|find the kickstart image which has the scsi driver in it
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Womble |snapper: But then you need a SCSI driver to do that, and you need
|a filing-system implementation.
snapper |Wonble You need 10% od a scsi driver ;)
Womble |snapper: (Obviously not a full filing-system)
snapper |You need no file system
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snapper |thats why the partiion name had to be spoecific
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Womble |snapper: Hmm... well, still, I have what claims to be an A3000
|SKS disk, and the 1.3 ROM image on there is most certainly the
|same as an A500 one. I don't know how it's supposed to work....
VonWalker |re
snapper |and it had to be the first partition as well
CyborJim |As far as I know the boot block is allway in the same place, so
|you won't need much of afile system to get to it.
snapper |Womble Who knows what people apss around these days
Womble |CyborJim: It's the root block you need to find to start with
chameleo |re all
Rebbi |chameleo: re
d9090 |DFDuck.. check heading.. tsia
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Rebbi |Any interesting news from the show? I've been offline all day...
Jkay |wait 15 minutes
Jkay |the big news is coming
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snapper |ra ra ra
Jkay | BIG !!
Rebbi |jkay: Bill McKuen's speech, you mean?
Womble |Jkay: Oy! You said that last time.
T-Rex |How could there be big news?
snapper |how big can zero be ;)
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chameleo |so I havnt missed ant thing while being asleep foro the last 6
|hours?
d9090 |snapper.. consider negative infinities.. :-)
Jkay |Womble: it WAS big last time. they announced the scrapping of
|every bit of the current amiga
chameleo |and the sqare root of neg 1
Womble |Jkay: Yes, you are right... it still wasn't quite as big as you
|suggested
Womble |jkay: No big names, for a start
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Womble |chameleo: Nah, that's another dimension
snapper |Well, how valid are perforamcne numners aon a cpu that has been
|chosen yet according to Bill... he probaly icked the best numbers
|of all the chips they looked at, what does that tell us ?
Jkay |thats because they didnt announce the strategic partners like
|they had planned./
d9090 |Jkay.. the big news this time.. MMC hasn't been chosen, kernal
|hasn't been chose, MMC company hasn't been chose... but we know
|how fast we want MMC to be..
Womble |I think this talk of "MMC company hasn't been chosen" is
|confused...
Rebbi |Womble: What's MMC?
Jkay |magical mystery chip
Kreton |Ther're taking the webcam to the banquet I think...
Macami |Mean Mother Chip
snapper |op me llama
Womble |I mean, unless they've broken off with the company they were
|talking to earlier, in which case this is all hopeless
d9090 |Womble I asked directly.. Bill said their possible choices are
|from different companies.
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«Topic» |snapper sets topic to Amiga inc announces finale Development as
|the nwest strategic partner
Jkay |jesus, I hope not.
Womble |d9090: Are you sure he wasn't thinking about kernel stuff then
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«Topic» |snapper sets topic to Amiga inc announces finale Development as
|the newest strategic partner ;)
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d9090 |Womble my question was specifically "MMC" which is what he
|referred to..
VonWalker |chips with magical powers
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Womble |d9090: Well, I hope he misunderstood what you were talking about.
|They've never called it MMC, and he may have been confused.
T-Rex |Magical Mystery Chip. Roll out for the Mystery tour!
d9090 |The good news would be that, eg, its a variant of Alpha either
|coming from Digital, Samsung or SGS Thomson (the latter two have
|development rights..)
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Womble |It was "super-chip" or "wow-chip" or "Mitchie" (what Fleecy and
|Joe have variously used when talking to me)
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Womble |d9090: Alpha? Bwahahaha....
«Topic» |snapper sets topic to Amiga inc announces finale Development as
|the newest strategic partner, caldi stops worrying about the
|airline losing his Amiga ;)
VonWalker |MMX
Womble |d9090: Over-powered monsters, they are. Totally useless for
|consumer electronics.
Womble |d9090: F*cking great to have on your desk though.
Macami |How about a G4 for the MMC?
Jkay |I cant believe carl did the 007 pose for the cam :)
snapper |Oh did he, i wasnt watching
Jkay |Im culling the pics now.
d9090 |Womble.. just an example.. the bad news would be its some media
|chip.. three different ones. :-(((
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Jkay |using a thumbnail app to cut the partials and crap
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snapper |JKay I guess i;m gonna catch hell from Cindy ;)
Jkay |mmmatbe
VonWalker |I wish you could get a computer that was over powered
d9090 |SGS Thomson has the rights to Transputer as well as access to
|Alpha (Samsung copartnership), SuperH (Hitachi)
Womble |VonWalker: I was thinking in terms of wattage there, actually
snapper |But it was worth it for the shock value.. I'll bet Carl was
|rollingonthe floor
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Womble |d9090: You are Don Romero and I claim my five pounds! *ahem*
d9090 |SGS also does RIVA 128, Mpact... SGS Thompson and Hitachi are
|building a consumer products research lab in San Diego (another
|in Tokyo..)
VonWalker |k
YM0US |Is it right that Amiga Inc have no news
fleg2 |somebody kick fleg
fleg2 |:)
Womble |YM0US: Jkay said there would be news soon, Bill's announcing some
|stuff now.
Womble |Bill McEwen, that is
Jkay |I think we spoke to the lawyer guy for twice as long as carl ..
|sheesh
d9090 |Womble.. yah.. er.. Ben?
YM0US |will it appear here
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Jkay |3 mnutes
«Topic» |snapper sets topic to Bill McEwen, marketting manager of Amiga
|inc due shortly
Womble |d9090: Yes...
d9090 |:-))) What's that in US? (btw.. what exactly WAS the bet?) :-)
| No news?
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Womble |d9090: It's a silly saying, which comes from a competition which
|a newspaper ran a long time ago.
Womble |d9090: The competition was to find a named person, walk up to
|them and claim your prize, thusly.
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CyborJim |p.OS is great. I havn't heard any reviews of the beta CD though.
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YM0US |whats up with other channel
Womble |CyborJim: p.OS is dead
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CyborJim |Dead? That's sad.
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RMerlin |What a surprise.
RMerlin |Not.
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Macami |Company or product?
d9090 |Otay.. Well I did remember you sig sort of right off.. sorta.
|How about 2.50? Opps you don't doit that way do you? :-)
Womble |CyborJim: They had no clue what they were doing, beyond the GUI
|stuff. And once AmigaOS was bought again, there was no point in
|p.OS, or so it seemed.
RMerlin |"And thanks to all the fish who bought our beta CD" - ProDev
Womble |Macami: Product, and probably company as well.
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Womble |RMerlin: Why ever did you pay for it? It was for developers only,
|and we could get it for free.
snapper |I hope McEwen didn;t choke to death onthe rubber chicken ;)
tarbos |hehe
CyborJim |Womble: If AmigaOS 3.5 doesn't appear then there might be room
|for it.
NiteFlite |snapper: Maybe he didnt make it out alive.
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Womble |CyborJim: 3.5 won't appear, but all old Amiga technology is going
|to die anyway. p.OS offers too little compatibility for too
|little gain.
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Womble |Hmm, the ProDAD web pages were updated yesterday, though, so the
|company is presumably still going OK
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VonWalker |if we could choose the MMC what would be the best choice?
CyborJim |Womble: I wish I could argue that one, but I can't.
snapper |Oh yes, and we all know how accurate web pages are ;)
Womble |VonWalker: We don't know, because most of the options are secret.
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NiteFlite |Yeah, like AmiWest's WEb page.
Womble |snapper: I checked page info for the front page, and it was
|changed yesterday.
Womble |snapper: I doubt they arranged for the server to lie
RMerlin |Womble: Who said I paid for it?
snapper |Liek p'jami web page ;)
Satyre |1K: fancy meeting you here:)
Toast |Is Bill Mc. currently speaking?
snapper |Though I forget didnt you ;)
RMerlin |Womble: A lot of people bought that lame CD.
snapper |no
[1024] |SAT hiya :)
VonWalker |if you could choose any chip
GaFlunkey |Bill's late
Womble |There's no mention of p.OS on their German web pages, that I can
|see.
Satyre |1K: The news so far is that there's no news that anyone can
|release yet:)
Macami |G4 (six pack)
snapper |I would choose salt and vinigar
d9090 |VonWalker.. my last guess was a super RISC core (Alpha or Mips)
|with a transputer front end and the Riva 3D engine from SGS
|Thomson but events have overtaken that apparently.
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[1024] |Sat: normal same old same old
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Toast |Hasn't Bill arrived yet?
snapper |hat part of dure shortly are you having trouble with
CyborJim |What I want to know is how custom digital media processing and
|custom super fast RAM acces are going to live with process
|indepencance.
snapper |what part of due shortly are you having trouble with
«Topic» |Jkay sets topic to Bill McEwen, marketting manager of Amiga inc
|due shortly | Bill Gates announces a series of torchlight rallies
|in Redmond.
Womble |CyborJim: I suspect they won't.
RMerlin |Cool, AWeb's GUI once again decided to stop answering any gadget
|click.
Rebbi |JKay: :-)
RMerlin |Web browser authors are the SHITTIEST application authors I've
|ever seen.
snapper |must be the icons interferring;)
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Jkay |heheh
Toast |Snap it up snapper
Rebbi |RMerlin: Gee, I just bought AWeb and I kinda like it.
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RMerlin |SHITTIEST
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Womble |AWeb's all right, except that it looks like crap
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snapper |bold
Kreton |So whats happening right now...
Womble |Functionally, it seems OK
Kreton |anything special
fibbs |is Bill McEwen here yet?
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Macami |shortly...
snapper |what part of due shortly are you having trouble with
Macami |I hope!
fibbs |phhew. I thought I might of been 10 mins late.
GaFlunkey |c'mon Bill!
CyborJim |There is mention of this show on the Finale Dev site.
fibbs |snapper: that topic isnt always correct
VonWalker |d9090: I meant if we were in charge
fibbs |snapper: like how many hours did it say "the show is online !"
|yesterday??
fibbs |snapper: sheesh
snapper |fibbs beats me, i never pay attention to topics
Toast |anyone else from Ainc at amiwest ??
RMerlin |I mean, how difficult is it to betatest your stinking piece of
|code?
snapper |hehehe
RMerlin |And don't give me the crap that "a web browser is a complex app".
| I have yet to hear about FinalWriter or Lightwave crashing THAT
|easily.
RMerlin |A web browser is KID STUFF to do compared to these.
Kreton |RM: Thats my arguement
snapper |Oh then your not talking tothe right people
Rebbi |RMerlin: so when is your browser coming out, eh? ;-)
d9090 |VonWalker: the secrecy part is problematic.. we don't know
|what's available. Nothing I know fits the price performance I
|want to see. :) I want a $2000 SGI-like graphic workstation!!
|EVen if its a MMC 4-banger!!
Kreton |I think 14meg compressed is a bit much for a text and graphics
|viewer with fancy shit
Womble |RMerlin: Making a web browser compatible with things like Netrape
|is difficult
RMerlin |Rebbi: I think I'll rather try to betatest Opera, and do my job
|of finding and reporting bugs - something Yvon, Yabba and Olli's
|betatesters seem too incompetent to do.
Kreton |Hell I wrote a web browser in Blitz 2
RMerlin |Womble: There's *NO* excuse for a crashing webbrowser.
Womble |RMerlin: IF you look at HTML decoding and rendering, it starts to
|look at easy, but when you realise how much the standards have
|been perverted, it gets a hell of a lot more difficul
fibbs |has there been any guests in the last 1.5 hrs?
Toast |Anybody know where Bill Mc is at?
Womble |RMerlin: I agree there's no excuse for crashing
snapper |RMerlin I installed the new one here a couple weeks ago, I dont
|recall it crashing yet
NiteFlite |So we are all stood up at the dance? hehe
GaFlunkey |how about the Hitachi superH chip d9090 - seems like you could MP
|with it
RMerlin |Womble: Error checking is something you learn in Programming 101.
RMerlin |snapper: It was stable here, until I started doing any intensive
|web browsing.
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RMerlin |snapper: Tho AWeb always suffered from serious memory leaks.
Womble |RMerlin: You also learn "never test for an error you don't know
|how to handle" ;-)
Rebbi |Alright, folks, it's 10:30 Texas time and I'll catch the latest
|tomorrow. C'ya.
snapper |Oh, porno stuff.... io wouldn;t know about that ;)
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fleg_ |yeap and somebody don't know who did it with a ppc604 also.
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|turned 8 MB of free RAM into 500 KB chunks.).
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Womble |VonWalker: IB's graphics rendering is just awful - slow, and
|badly dithered
d9090 |fleg_ Haynie kinda threw cold water on the transputer idea.. no
|MMU so no MP.. Unless there's a radical new version or something.
NiteFlite |IBrowse does just fine.
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Jkay |snapper: if you had a decent link, Id send you SUCH a pron with
|sound .. the best .. HammerD pron
Kreton |Come on Bill
Womble |NiteFlite: If you have a 68060 and gfx card, maybe... not on this
|040-25 with AGA
Macami |IBrowse Looks GOOD on my CV64/3D!!!!
NiteFlite |AGA, bah! hehehe
VonWalker |Womble: what about the graphics rendering?
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CyborJim |One of the cool options on Voyager is that you can grab text on
|the screen and save it to the clipboard.
snapper |JKAy if I had dcc you mean ;)
fibbs |Macami: I'll bet. :) I'm looking forwards to running IBrowse on a
|Siamese PCI setup later this year
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Jkay |AWeb has that too
tarbos |cyborjim: nothing special
Jkay |snapper: prolly
tarbos |ib has it, too
RMerlin |Let's have a laugh, I'll put AWeb through PoolWatch.
CyborJim |Jkay: Doesn't work on my copy.
d9090 |in case anybody cares.. IE has it too. :-/
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fibbs |I hate dithering. It makes cool gfx look crap.
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GaFlunkey |Bill! Bill! Bill!
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fibbs |where??
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Macami |fibbs: It's like 'nite and day' compared to AGA.
«Nick» |Satyre is now known as Satrway.
GaFlunkey |exactly
NiteFlite |Aged Graphic Arch...
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fibbs |Macami: Yeah :/ I cant wait to have a gfx card
snapper |rMerlin Well, I use the standard CA distribution here and see
|noneof the problems you describe using the beta classes
d9090 |fibbs: even if my 4000 mb worked, I wouldn't go back to AGA, esp
|for the net.
tarbos |wow, the cvppc looks wierd
RMerlin |snapper: For the hundreth time I'm running the November 20
|release classes.
GaFlunkey |Archeological Graphical Artifact
RMerlin |And CA gadgets are *NOT* used in AWeb's layouting
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Weirdami |how soon is "soon" :-)
Womble |Antique Grungey Architecture
NiteFlite |How soon is now is a cool tune.
YM0US |has there been any annoucements yet?
Womble |Hey, I was looking at those Haynie files, and they said AA was in
|the works in 1990!
VonWalker |fibbs: if you want cool graphics you aren't going to find them on
|the web
d9090 |So's "How many more times" .. Zep rulez
Womble |I thought AGA was a quick kluge done in 1992...
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GaFlunkey |Bill! Bill! Bill!
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d9090 |iirc AA is AGA.. the Alc Anon thing changed the name to AGA..
fibbs |VonWalker: some sites look quite nice, but simple gfx are wrecked
|by dithering
tarbos |so this mr. bill is not coming?
Womble |d9090: Right, I know that.
NiteFlite |Do you think its funnier that Index is going to make AA+?
fibbs |VonWalker: there used to be a black and yellow "under
|construction" road sign on CU Amigas site.. that looked
|*horrible* dithered
Womble |NiteFlite: They have a niche market where that is useful.
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Macami |I heard somewhere that Commodore lost plans for OCS and had to
|reverse engineer their own chips for backwards compatability!
d9090 |Womble.. just making sure I did... :-)
Macami |For the AGA chipset.
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NiteFlite |womble: I am sure you could use something better, cheaper and
|real for that.
VonWalker |fibbs: I know what ya mean
Womble |NiteFlite: You'd have to redo the software, though.
GaFlunkey |Bill! Bill! Bill!
NiteFlite |So like in college we waited 15 minutes for the professor to
|show....
«Nick» |[1024] is now known as [1k]away.
Weirdami |nye...the science guy?
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«Topic» |snapper sets topic to Bill McEwen Marketing Manager Amiga Inc due
|shrotly.... or not... flip a coin
d9090 |I call "EDGE"..
Jkay |sigh
Weirdami |who is bill mcewen and how does bill gates tie into him?
Weirdami |heh
d9090 |Weirdami.. Cousins.. ;-)
Kreton |I knew a computer store owner, and stone me if he didn't look
|like bill gates
snapper |oh there;s the problem,he;s in #ajachat
Kreton |oh shyte
Jkay |thats a problem? :)
Kreton |haul im in ere
NiteFlite |snapper: "hey baby, show you my chipset"?
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CyborJim |Why does a list only show the channel I'm currently on?
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Kreton |:)
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CyborJim |Okay, there are 2 on /list now.
Jkay |snapper: you sent 10 people rushing to ajachat :)
snapper |i see that ;)
Macami |defectors!
Jkay |Aja isnt even THERE yet ;)
GaFlunkey |thanks for nothin' snapper
fibbs |whos actually _at_ the show?
snapper |guess i should hav eset then to #freeciv ;)
Jkay |heh
snapper |or #love ;)
GaFlunkey |Bill! Bill! Bill!
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Jkay |there is NOTHING worse than horny amiga users starved for news
|AND sex
Mousehunt |Did I miss anything???
snapper |hehehe
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snapper |just us making jokes
VonWalker |thats it
Macami |kindof
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DFDuck |I'm still looking for the #MondoBondageAmigaLovers channel.
Kreton |ah thank god
snapper |so go join it it and start one
fibbs |Hm, I hope OS 4.0 keeps "Execute command"
fibbs |thats so useful.
RMerlin |Brother, ANOTHEr ICQ clone.
fibbs |I couldnt live without my Execute command
portnoy |RMerlin: Called?
DFDuck |snapper: I can't.. I'm all tied up at the moment ¦>
RMerlin |http://www.algonet.se/~henisak/icq/index.html
snapper |fibbs uh where have you been, the new os retains nothing of the
|current
RMerlin |It's from the popupmenu.library author
VonWalker |Look, here comes Bill around the corner
VonWalker |hehe
RMerlin |dicq (no relation with DC-ICQ)
fibbs |snapper: they hope to retain datatypes, and I think classes
Macami |made us look!
VonWalker |:)
fibbs |RMerlin: dick. haha :)
VonWalker |thought so
CyborJim |fibbs: No, worse: dic q
snapper |fibbs No, the clases inthe new os are C++ classes there wonlt be
|any boopsi in a virtual/protected memory environment
NiteFlite |Woohoo NI for Yam's toolbar.
Kreton |orlright! Bitchyeah! My A1000 works!!!
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Womble |Java too, snapper
snapper |Oh right and Java classes
Womble |Kreton: With the 'doodle-oot' sound?
Jkay |I wish SOMEONE from the show would get on the line and give us a
|HINT
fibbs |I need muimaster.library v19 or higher, to run WebTV
VonWalker |amazing what I can see from 3 states away
Kreton |Womble: Yep ;)
Womble |fibbs: Better known as MUI 3.8
fibbs |snapper: Alan the Amiga Inc guy said they hope to have some form
|of datatypes and classes
Macami |Location Call! From Missouri...
fibbs |snapper: said this around WOA time
Womble |*yawn*
snapper |fibbs Ya, but not Boopsi
RMerlin |Jkay: Looks like the Doom clone rage is over. Enter the ICQ
|clone rage.
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fibbs |Womble: yeah, I dont wanna download a 1mb archive though.. takes
|ages and my hd is too small. :/
Womble |fibbs: Datatypes are so fecking obvious, even MS has something
|quite like them
RMerlin |So far, we got: micq, GT-ICQ, Stricq, dicq...
RMerlin |Two MOOEY, one gadtools, one ASCII
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d9090 |Macami: Indiana.. iirc 3 hrs ahead of CA,which means Bill is due
|in 21 minutes.. not 39 late.
Weirdami |pricq, licq, sticq...teehee
Kinners |RMerlin: They must be pretty popular, so I'll write one to :) not
snapper |fibbs the new os is a java os kernel with C++ clsses on top of
|that, everything you know about amiga OS is gone inthe new one
GaFlunkey |Ahh.. Bill is a joke, he's not coming
fibbs |snapper: err. I know.
DFDuck |dirq is mui? I'm using striq. Looked at dc-gdirq didn't like it.
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LowLevel |hello. any news?
fibbs |snapper: but they'll make it similar to the current OS in some
|ways I'm sure.
Womble |snapper: Putting Java on top of C++ classes on top of JavaOS
|(whatever that is - javasoft seems remarkably quiet about it)
|sounds ridiculous to me
Macami |d9090: Your an hour ahead of me so tell me what he said?
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d9090 |Macami: He who?
Womble |Macami: He's an hour ahead of you? I think not.
snapper |fibbs Ya, but you keep talking about OS3.x things being in
|AmigaNG, and that ainlt gnna happen
DFDuck |Is dirq public yet?
CyborJim |We need "Amiga for Dummies" and "Amiga for Teachers" books.
Macami |d9090: Bill, the guy that ain't going to show...
Weirdami |cyb: hell no
d9090 |I have 11:11 pm atm
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Womble |It's 9:13 pm there
fibbs |snapper: you never know.. its not entirely inconceivable that
|some things may live on.. like screens.
VonWalker |what if Bill is here and laughing at us waiting for him
snapper |Womble Why A java core kernel is pretty small, efficient and very
|malable... its a good choice
T-Rex |I don't see why not snapper, we have UAE now, and that is on crap
|hardware.
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Womble |fibbs: Whoa, man! You mean they'll use a screen to display
|things? Wow...
Womble |snapper: What *is* a "Java core kernel"?
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Weirdami |coffee beans
CyborJim |What if Bill is across the room handing out Amiga stickers?
fibbs |Womble: ok, bad example..
snapper |Woble Better than a lame unix rehash like everything else out
|htere
d9090 |..hmm. he is late then.
Womble |snapper: Can you explain what a "Java OS" actually is?
«Quit» |Weirdami (~weirdami@xyp13-12.acns.fsu.edu) has signed off (Do
|they make Amiga pants?).
snapper |Womble wander over to the HP sire and read up on their JavaOS, it
|will give you a much better explanationthan i can here
fibbs |Alan reckons Guru's will probably be in the next OS. :-)
RMerlin |Woooo, NI website broke over 20,000 hits :)
Womble |Multiple screens are great - when you can actually drag windows
|from one to the next, scroll between them, etc. Moving them up
|and down over each other is just a gimmick.
CyborJim |Last month somebody told me that UNIX was a 64 bit OS.
Macami |d9090: You guys do 'daylight savings'?
Womble |snapper: I've looked there before, and I don't think I could find
|it
d9090 |Maybe the announcement started a fistfight and Bill is either in
|the night court or an ER..
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Womble |GaFlunkey: Was OS 2.04 a beta, just because they had to fix some
|bugs in it later? No, it wasn't.
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fibbs |well I'm off.
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|(http://www.cais.com/).
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Womble |Hi Joanne... we were just speculating about OS kernels
Macami |Womble: The last thing I bought that wsn't buggy was a
|pencil...except that it needs that pencil sharpener upgrade...
Womble |Macami: You mean you have to reinstall the point every now and
|then? ;-)
Macami |HeHe
GaFlunkey |Is anyone at the show? Can chase up Bill and give him a chinese
|burn for me?
RMerlin |Holy shit...
VonWalker |If we had the best Amiga you could want, what would we have to
|look forward to?
RMerlin |snapper: Do you know how Aweb deallocates memory at exit?
Wizardess |OS Kernels -- are those the things that go pop once heated
|enough? {O,o}
Womble |VonWalker: A better one, of course.
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|timeout for DFDuck[nc6-21-121.thegrid.net]).
RMerlin |snapper: ALLOC BY ALLOC...
Wizardess |It would seem you got the point....
VonWalker |hehe
RMerlin |snapper: Just took 25 secs to deallocate every single allocs at
|exit under PoolWatch...
Cleese |rmerlin: hahaha, now that's the effective way of handling
|memory.. ;)
RMerlin |snapper: Should I mailbomb Yvon with the "DeletePool()" autodocs?
Mousehunt |Bill is about to speak at the Banquet
snapper |Womble IOf they were just buying the chip,the kernel and the
|middleware, they could have doen that buy now, but when you go
|the strategic partnership route, you now have 4 companies that
|have to agree on a single document, it ust takes longer
Wizardess |Speaking og Alloc by ALloc - WebTV generates a read from $2d
|every frame.
Womble |snapper: I don't think the word "middleware" means what you think
|it means.
snapper |RMerlin do like me, use IBrowse ;)
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RMerlin |snapper: IBrowse = IBlows up on my system.
LowLevel |what time is it at the show?
snapper |Mist ne the icons ;)
Macami |RMerlin: version of IBrowse?
Wizardess |It is not happy on mine but it is happier than Voyager. I use
|AWeb.
RMerlin |Macami: Ever versions I tried.
Jkay |oh, bill is finally going to say something? Whee
snapper |RMelrin it works good here
DFDuck |IB is the only one that shows graphics half decent on my antique
|ECS 2000 here. Slow, but look nice.
JJoe |what is bill's first statement
jpawluk |9:24 PST
RMerlin |JJoe: "We, the drunken Amiga people..."
Macami |RMerlin: the cache system sux on IB, that's for sure!
Womble |snapper: Anyway.... I understand it takes time to do this, and
|what I am saying is, how can they have a hope in hell of meeting
|the timetable they've set?
LowLevel |jpawluk: 10x
Womble |snapper: If they haven't got these things fixed by now, when will
|they have something ready?
RMerlin |Macami: I like V because of it's HTTP 1.1 support, but it lacks
|too much in other areas to be of real use.
Kinners |Womble: What *is* the timetable they have set? What is supposed
|to be out in Nov?
Womble |RMerlin: AWeb has HTTP/1.1 support
snapper |Womble easy...once the core kernel is in place and the middleware
|connected on top, thing move at lighting speed...
JJoe |RMerlin: it must be some good news....
RMerlin |Womble: No it doesn't..
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Womble |Kinners: 4.0 (i.e. foundation for 5.0) running on x86
RMerlin |Womble: HTTP 1.1 means persistent sockets and resume capability
|as one.
snapper |Womble i would expect things to go slow till about March and then
|there will be no looking back, things will happen very fast after
|then
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Macami |Womble: Even if they meet the time table, Ainc isn't building
|the hardware...so we'll have a further delay beyond the 18
|months...
Womble |RMerlin: Maybe I'm mistaken, but I'm pretty sure that it does use
|some HTTP/1.1 features.
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Womble |RMerlin: I was testing it with a CGI script I wrote, and I
|thought it did
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RMerlin |Womble: Well it doesn't support the two main features of 1.1
|which I just mentionned.
Womble |Macami: I'm not worried about the hardware timetable - it's
|software I'm worried about
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RMerlin |Womble: Maybe it does some of the minor, less known 1.1 stuff,
|but that's n ot what I'm missing.
d9090 |Womble.. there's an interesting quote on www.st.com where they
|say the only way to be competitive in the fast pace chip market
|is to develop the process, the development tools and the final
|product simultaneously.
Womble |RMerlin: Oh, I see.
Macami |Womble: True, HW kinda useless without SW..
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d9090 |Womble.. maybe AI has the same thing in mind.
RMerlin |snapper: Isn't the amiga.lib pool bug FreePooled() not properly
|freeing all the memory?
T-Rex |d9090 : and in the end when they don't all match up?
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Womble |RMerlin: The bug is that puddles don't get freed until you
|FreePool
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snapper |RMelrin the amigalib one shouldbe ok,it;s the rom deletepool one
|that is bad
T-Rex |d9090 : sounds like a pretty big crap shoot.
Macami |Is Bill speaking?
snapper |Setpatch 4016 fixes it though
d9090 |T-Rex SGS Thomson is one of the ten best chipmakers in the
|world.. they did Riva 128, eg.
Womble |snapper: The amiga.lib one was broken for a while though
Mousehunt |He either is or is about to
RMerlin |Womble: I expect him to at least do a DeletePool() sometime so
|the leaks must be coming from somewhere else then.
VonWalker |how many courses was the banquet?
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RMerlin |snapper: amiga.lib one was only fixed in one of the recent DevCD.
Womble |RMerlin: Datatypes?
RMerlin |snapper: The CATS one is broken.
RMerlin |Womble: None used.
Womble |Fixing bugs in statically linked code is a little tricky ;-)
snapper |RMerlin I never call the Amiga lib ones ;)
«Netsplit»|Netsplit detected between servers Bill.Gates and
|1.million.bucks.a.day.
«Netsplit»|Users gone due to netsplit: Dave_C
CyborJim |My guess is that the Net currently provides better devoper
|support then CATS did when it was it's most active.
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|error to jpawluk[ppp043-pm-s1.tcsn.net]: Connection reset by
|peer).
Wizardess |You were never up on BIX I presume.
Womble |Um, why the odd netsplit message?
RMerlin |There's no netsplit...
Womble |«Netsplit» Netsplit detected between servers Bill.Gates and
|1.million.bucks.a.day.
Womble |«Netsplit» Users gone due to netsplit: Dave_C
Macami |Dramatic exit?
snapper |RMerlin but i guees the Amiga.lib ones are probsbly yhe same code
|as inthe rom, so it coul dbe bust
RMerlin |Womble: Get a real client man :)
Womble |RMerlin: Eh?
RMerlin |Womble: My client didn't considered that a netsplit :)
Womble |snapper: The amiga.lib ones are exactly the same as the ROM, I
|believe
RMerlin |Yours did :)
Womble |RMerlin: It's fake message....
RMerlin |Womble: Yes, which fooled your client but not mine :þ
RMerlin |«Split» | No recorded netsplit
Womble |RMerlin: You probably haven't even implemented netsplit detection
|yet...
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RMerlin |Womble: Yes I have as I just shown
snapper |I know mike noticed the problem after the rom was cut, I thought
|he ocrrected it in Amiga;lib before he left, but I can't be 'sure
Womble |RMerlin: You just showed that it can report that it hasn't
|detected netsplits.
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RMerlin |Womble: Yes, because we do hvae netsplit detection and tracking.
Womble |RMerlin: :-þ
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T-Rex |Why is netsplit detection important. Or is it just something to
|argue about?
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Womble |T-Rex: Well, it lets you know why a load of people suddenly
|disappeared
RMerlin |T-Rex: If you can't handle netsplits, you get loads of signoff
|messages. Very annoying.
DFDuck |The bot I wrote knows the difference and has the added feature it
|can reconnect them (if it is ircop).
RMerlin |Instead, all I get is a "netspliit detected between servers a and
|b"
Wizardess |A netsplit gives you some place to hide Tim Rue if he turns up.
|{O,o}
RMerlin |And nicks are removed from the nicklist
Mousehunt |+with+
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RMerlin |Womble: I think MindLink wasn't fooled because his first server
|only had two elements (bill.gates)
T-Rex |Okay, so that is good. But who cares if the client could be
|fooled?
TRue |Wizadess: I heard that ;)
RMerlin |Womble: I intend to eventualy make it even more intelligent, by
|checking at least one of the two servers to see if it exists.
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TheBarron |rmer: why bother?
Womble |RMerlin: That's a bogus sanity check
RMerlin |T-Rex: Errr... Just stay out of it, I think you missed the whole
|thing.
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Toast |Anyone know what's keeping Bill?
RMerlin |Womble: Well it's better than none at all ;)
Wizardess |(Can you tell how thoroughly you pissed me off?)
TheBarron |oh.. so Bill hasn't showed up yet?
Mousehunt |I think hes still talking
NiteFlite |That's not Joshua Galum is it?
Womble |RMerlin: Well, the user can easily see that the names are bogus
TheBarron |usually
«Quit» |LowLevel (ealtavil@ppp39-pa3.neomedia.it) has signed off (Client
|exiting).
VonWalker |Bill is eating
RMerlin |Womble: It's still annoying having a non-existant netsplit shown
|in your netsplit list. I call this "bug".
Mousehunt |That'll do
Womble |RMerlin: Oh, if you keep a list then that *is* a problem
Macami |VonWalker: Can't he multitask?
CyborJim |I've been checking the REBOL site and I can only find the
|overview of REBOL and Carl Sassenrath's background. I can't find
|the link to any detailed information about REBOL.
RMerlin |Womble: Doesn't AmIRC let you view a list of netsplits and split
|users?
Toast |Eating?The fuckers eating when he's already late?
Womble |RMerlin: The server ought to stop people faking those things
|though.
VonWalker |I guess not
Womble |RMerlin: I can't see such an option here
RMerlin |Womble: The problem is the server itself - it has no real way of
|reporting a split aside from a SIGNOFF message.
TRue |Wizardess: No comment.
RMerlin |Womble: One of the numerous deficiencies of the irc protocol that
|was never really addressed.
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|my head say "Go back to bed").
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|exiting).
Womble |RMerlin: Yes, but it says where the message comes from
RMerlin |Womble: Which is the user actualy disappaering. Still of no
|help.
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|(Leaving).
Womble |RMerlin: Oh yes, sorry.
Jkay |Has Bill begun speaking to the diners yet?
RMerlin |Womble: I think that just checking if one of the two servers will
|resolve should solve the problem quite nicely.
T-Rex |Hes talking to food?
Mousehunt |don't mention food
Macami |JKay: I think he's taking orders for dessert...
Womble |RMerlin: It's the least of the many deficiencies of IRC though.
|It's depressing to look at the "Current Problems" section of the
|RFC
TheBarron |rmer: but then I can still fool ML by making one real :)
Womble |RMerlin: *none* of them have ever been dealt with, as far as I
|can see
T-Rex |Oh, diners, not dinners. Nevermind.. :)
RMerlin |Womble: The RFC dates back to circa 1990, which in itself is bad.
|:)
Mousehunt |oh uh
RMerlin |TheBarron: That's getting a tad far-fetched.
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SlamDunk |Hello all...where's the log for Fri and today ?
RMerlin |TheBarron: For that matter, I can also fake my email address
|while mailing you...
TheBarron |depends upon my purpose in faking a netsplit
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d9090 |T-Rex.. LOL :-))
RMerlin |TheBarron: But I can't make your client confuse the To: header
|with the actual content.
TheBarron |if I just want to jack up your netsplit list, then that's what to
|do :)
snapper |TheBarron Dont fearm Rebol beta due soon you can write your own
|irc client when your 5
DFDuck |There's a new irc protocol being worked on. Using html-alike tags
|rather than control characters. I've got the url here somewhere.
TheBarron |snapper: but that's like 3 years away..
TheBarron |me being 5, that is
T-Rex |I'm still trying to figure out how one could do real damage with
|a fake netsplit.
RMerlin |DFDuck: It will never catch. Original irc protocol is WAY too
|used to be replaced now.
snapper |I thought you were 4½ now
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TheBarron |snapper: oh yeah
Womble |DFDuck: Is that just for contents, or for the command structure?
TheBarron |T-Rex: nothing besides trashing up a netsplit list rmer
|apparently has in his client
DFDuck |Womble: The whole thing I'm pretty sure. Let me find that url.
TheBarron |snapper: so that makes it what? 2 years?
Womble |I see no problem in inventing a new IRC protocol as long as
|several IRC clients are written to support that standard at the
|same time.
T-Rex |TheB: well, that's no fun at all.
RMerlin |Womble: Seeing how the Amiga is always 2 yeasr behind everyone,
|don't count on it. :)
pekr |IRC log of Carl Sassenrath anywhere?
snapper |TheBarron well if you age that slow.. patent it and sell it
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Wizardess |Just be born Feb 29?
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|timeout for Mousehunt[nwp-16.world-net.co.nz]).
T-Rex |I'd much rather whack on some port 139's than mess with RMerlins
|netsplit list. ;)
TheBarron |snapper: no.. I just haven't been taught math yet.. that's when
|I'm 6..
TheBarron |Wizardess: I was OH so darn close
DFDuck |http://www.crosswinds.net/new-zealand/~arcer/ IRC3 Information
|Site
RMerlin |T-Rex: Wise choice. Never meddle into the affairs of wizards,
|because they are quick and subtle to anger. :)
RMerlin |DFDuck: IRC3 has been "underway" for years, without real
|progress.
snapper |TheBarron Well Rebol beta was slated for this month but its
|probably off a bit woth the delay moving in tit he offices but
|the public release is slated for January
CyborJim |July 10-12th, 1998
CyborJim |The first US West-Coast Amiga show in years! It ought to be a
CyborJim |blockbuster, and Finale Development will be there! AmiWest '98
TheBarron |snapper: I think he said beta is August
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CyborJim |looks like it's going to be a big one.
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Jkay |CyborJim: we are there, bub.
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DFDuck |RMerlin: When Arcer was telling me how wonderful it was going to
|be I wasnt' real enthused...
CyborJim |That was from the FinalDev web site.
RMerlin |CyborJim: Too bad Finale canceled 1/3 of their planned products.
|;)
Jkay |I wrote that. Next Question?
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snapper |theBarron sounds a bout right, he was a month off getting into
|the building
Womble |Jkay: Yes, have you got anything there to sell?
TheBarron |sure he does
Jkay |RMerlin: we cancelled ALL our "planned" products. We fortunately
|have our 5 other actual products
DFDuck |RMerlin: But they have at least started putting together an RFC
|on it.. thats somthing.
TheBarron |just not FWC :)
Kreton |Bastard
Kreton |I hate windows
RMerlin |DFDuck: I prefer to stick to regular IRC with the CTCP/2
|extensions.
T-Rex |Jkay: did you see anyone wearing my Amiga shades?
Kreton |Complete system freeze with video corruption and everying
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Jkay |CyborJim: was there a reason you were cutting and pasting my
|site?
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TheBarron |T-Rex: saw lostman wearing them, that's about it
Jkay |T-Rex: I didnt go, my partner is there.
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|rebooting).
T-Rex |TheB: you there? or you saw on the WebCam?
DFDuck |RMerlin: I agree. Though the html-alike tags might be easier for
|client coders to deal with. I still wasn't jumping at html3.
TheBarron |it's kinda funny how we just kinda shift channels all over the
|place today :)
TheBarron |T-Rex: webcam
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snapper |Does you client support BIC4FCTCP/2 N ???
Womble |d00d! no!
CyborJim |Yes. The was a question on when it was last updated.
RMerlin |snapper: U+Sure.U-
Jkay |erm .. last minth
SlamDunk | Hello again...missed yesterday, Is there a log anywhere ?
Jkay |June 3 or something
RMerlin |:)
VonWalker |you have to have patience if you own an Amiga
DFDuck |^understatement
RMerlin |DFDuck: That was CTCP/2 textmode codes.
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|error to YM0US[bh-cw04-013.pool.dircon.co.uk]: Connection reset
|by peer).
T-Rex |Von: actually it borders on masochistic tendancy. :)
Womble |RMerlin: Damned anti-social if you ask me
Macami |Amen
RMerlin |Womble: No, damned more intelligent than those ^B and similar
|crap
SlamDunk |tap...tap
VonWalker |yep
Womble |Oh, it's light again
snapper |Supporting standards is anti social... you can get a job at
|MicroSoft ;)
Womble |snapper: Show me the RFC
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VonWalker |what light
RMerlin |Womble: And they are designed to be very easy to filter out,
|unlike those old control codes.
T-Rex |Dark as heck here.
CyborJim |Jkay: Did you do the cool design on that site? I like it.
Womble |VonWalker: Here, where I am. It's light outside.
RMerlin |Womble: All sequences being enclosed in a ^F pair
snapper |Womble Show mwe the RFC for OLE
Womble |snapper: WTF has OLE to do with anything?
TheBarron |no standard
DFDuck |snapper: I think at M$ they only want you if you can bastardize
|an existing standard.
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TheBarron |no RFC
VonWalker |k
snapper |Its a standard, you suggest standards must have RFCs to be valid
Jkay |CyborJim: no, MrAmiga (dale Broughman) designed our site 2 years
|ago.
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Jkay |and yes, he's very good
Womble |snapper: RFCs are the basis for Internet standards.
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tarbos |bye
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snapper |show me the RFC ofr ICQ then
RMerlin |Womble: CTCP and DCC isn't defined by any RFC.
SlamDunk |bye
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|(Leaving).
Wizardess |And SOME people actually follow the RFCs....
Womble |snapper: ICQ is a proprietary application that has been cloned.
|There is no real standard for it.
Jkay |snapper: come on :) ICQ is not a standard any more than MS Office
|'97 is
Womble |RMerlin: Indeed. So why is CTCP/2 any more standard than any
|other CTCP stuff?
NiteFlite |So like can AmiWest attendees request their money back?
Wizardess |(Ghu there are a lot of newsreaders, BIG NAME newsreaders, that
|"get it wrong, very wrong." ANd then there is Fido net....)
RMerlin |Womble: Because it's a protocol being defined by a workgroup, and
|that will be submitted as an RFC once finalized.
snapper |Womble there most certainly is a standard, mirabilis wrote it.
|just because itls not public doesnlt man it isnlt defined by a
|protocol spec.
RMerlin |Womble: It's not the work of a single person.
Womble |RMerlin: In that case it should only be deployed experimentally
|;-)
RMerlin |Womble: But MindLink _is_ experimental code ;)
snapper |Womble and thats an internet stadard, so kets see the RFc
Womble |snapper: It's internal to the company, and it's in a state of
|flux. It's not a standard.
VonWalker |did Petro show up?
Macami |Is Bill in the'crapper'?
snapper |womble it's no mre in flux than FTP
RMerlin |Womble: Just be glad that color codes aren't implemented yet in
|the new display gadget ;)
Weirdami |do amiga shows ever have people that are on time?
Kreton |www.hotsex.com
RMerlin |Womble: ^F#rrggbb^F-
Jkay |TheBarron: www.bigasses.com/
Zool |Is there anything happening yesterday, today, tonite,
|tomorrow???? Someone???
TheBarron |uh.. you're like.. nasty
Womble |snapper: Well, if it's only done by one organisation, it's not
|much of a standard is it, really?
Jkay |ZOOL !!
d9090 |VonWalker No petro..no jeff.. no Dr. allan
Jkay |no Joe
Womble |No Fleecy
Macami |no dice
TheBarron |Korn Kernal
Womble |No fear!
snapper |Womble if its used by 12 million people and nothing is competing
|with it, it;s THE defacto standard
GaFlunkey |Talk about the future
Jkay |ihe key word being defacto
Womble |snapper: You might as well say that Word is a standard,.
CyborJim |The Sacromento Amiga club has been doing a good job, concetering
|what's been (not) happening.
RMerlin |snapper: Something called RVP (Rendez-Vous Protocol) is underway
|as a free, open standard. Dunno if it will ever get anywhere tho.
Jkay |SLIP was a defacto standard too
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Macami |JKay: or is that defEcto?
snapper |Womble Word is a word processor, not an internet protocl
RMerlin |Womble: RTF is a standard.
RMerlin |Rich Text Format
Womble |RMerlin: And?
Kreton |god curse BOOTP
snapper |he he he good one ;)
RMerlin |Womble: That's something Words support.
RMerlin |Womble: The standard defines protocols and structures, not the
|application.
RMerlin |Kreton: Use DHCP :)
Womble |snapper: But the protocol is specific to ICQ clients and servers,
|made by the same company. Hardly any more difficult than making
|Word load its own documents back in correctly.
snapper |Womble The point being that not all standards are defined by
|RFCs, like IFF for example....
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TheBarron |IFF RFC for AOS and PPC
RMerlin |It becomes a standard when it's adopted and officialy endorsed by
|a group.
Womble |snapper: So????
TheBarron |;p
VonWalker |cya ppl
Womble |snapper: RFCs are there for Internet standards
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Womble |snapper: ICQ is a proprietary application with a propietary (i.e.
|non-standard) protocol.
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«Nick» |Satrway is now known as Satyre.
Kreton |Womble: The internet is anarchaic
Weirdami |snoopy.gov?
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RMerlin |Anarchy In The RFC? :)
snapper |womble you suggested that CTCP/2 was not a standard becuase it is
|not defined by an RFC, an RFC is not required to establish a
|standard.
Womble |snapper: If the ICQ protocol is to be standard, the right place
|to publish that standard is as an RFC, right?
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Zool |So the "cast" didn't show up. Anything else happening at the
|show? Any good buys then ? Any free magazine ... ;(
Kreton |anarchy port 3024
DFDuck |the net may be anarchy, but would you really want it any other
|way?
Womble |snapper: It's not required, but it is the proper way to publish
|an Internet standard.
snapper |Womble Too late, it already is a standrard and there will never
|be an RFC
TheBarron |standards suck
RMerlin |snapper: CTCP/2 will eventualy be in an RFC.
TheBarron |heh
TheBarron |you suck
Womble |snapper: ICQ is still in beta
Macami |That's it...I'm outta here
RMerlin |snapper: If they can ever manage to agree on the last details.
snapper |Womble hog wash, C is a standard there is no C language RFC
Kreton |the women just can't stay away
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Womble |snapper: For f*ck's sake, are you listening?
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Womble |snapper: the proper place for an *INTERNET* standard is an RFC
TheBarron |I'm not listening!! :)
Cleese |since when is C an internet application/protocol?
snapper |Womble ICG is not in beta, it;s on itls fouth generation
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RMerlin |Womble: What are those non-ASCII chars? :)
Womble |(excuse the strong text emphasis ;-)
Kreton |he broke the rules
RMerlin |Womble: What RFC please? :)
snapper |Since when are RFCs confined to internet standards...
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Womble |snapper: Virtually all RFCs are for Internet and IP stuff. Not
|everything in there is an Internet standard. Nevertheless, RFCs
|are the way that standardised protocols are published.
snapper |Womble Ok hang on I'll list you 500 or so that arent;
RMerlin |snapper: Starting with the crypto ones?
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Womble |snapper: Your logic is flawed, anyway.
d9090 |Nice cool refreshing tapioca, anyone? :-)
Kreton |Like I said earlier, everyone is is getting edgey
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Jkay |it's 10pm Show time .. there is no way in HELL that they are
|still eating dinner.
RMerlin |Jkay: No, they're DRINKING
tamaron |love some tapioca
RMerlin |Jkay: Come on, they're AMIGA losers :)
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Womble |snapper: I'm arguing that the proper place for publishing
|standards for use on the Internet is RFCs. You say to me "but
|there is non-Internt info there as well". That does not
|invalidate my argument.
RMerlin |They MUST be drinking like germans ;)
snapper |Womble RFCs hav enever been confined to internet only, they are
|requests for comments aon proposed standards covering many
|things. not just internet, not just computers
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Jkay |RMerlin: Bill was supposed to address the banquet at 20:30 show
|time .. it's 2 hours past that
Jkay |something didnt happen
Kreton |someone put a beer infront of the Amiganet IRC station
T-Rex |"none for you snapper, you already have your demoral"
RMerlin |Jkay: Here's what must have happened:
Womble |Well, if they drink American beer, it'll take them ages to
|get properly tanked up
snapper |Wonble Well ISO, ANSI and severalother organizations would argue
|that point
d9090 |tamaron.. lemme put some on my transporter pad for ya.. what are
|your coords?
RMerlin |Bill: "Hello... Amiga is dead, we're giving up. Now to forget
|the pain, we just bought beer with the rest of our budget."
TheB-Eat |FFOD
TheB-Eat |FOOD
T-Rex |Womble: good point. ;)
RMerlin |So everyone is drinking :)
Jkay |Im going to bed.
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|friendly illegal alien cleans my comfortable hyperspace bubble.).
tamaron |nc,usa mt holly 20 degrees south
Womble |RMerlin: They gave us plenty of beer in London
RMerlin |Womble: Someone must have dragged canadian beer kegs :)
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d9090 |IN .. corner of I-70 and I-41..:-)
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T-Rex |24 at a time.
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d9090 |tamaron.. oops.. cockroach ate the leads to the SEND button..
|sorry.
«Nick» |TheB-Eat is now known as TheBarron.
MacUser |Pay no attention to me...I'm only spying...
snapper |womble But anyway, with regards to CTCP/2, it is a standard, and
|my client supports it and mindlink supports it and it is the only
|published standard covering ctcp and dcc and extensions and
|should be supported by all irc clients
T-Rex |They need an RFC for beer.
d9090 |MacUser.. also outof print.. ;-)
Kreton |There should be an RFC for naming MP3s
MacUser |d9090: ouch.
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TheBarron |Kreton: I prolly wouldn't agree with it :)
snapper |womble So write the author of youe client and tell him to get a
|cloo ;)
Womble |T-Rex: Perhaps an RFC for beer fridges, like the HTCPCP?
Womble |T-Rex: That's HyperText Coffee Pot Control Protocol...
d9090 |MacUser I subscribed to the bitter end.
PUNA |a trouper
MacUser |T-Rex: Uhhhh. I must force quit!
snapper |womble... oh dear,.... good luck getting Ollie to support it ;)
MacUser |d9090: as did I with Amiga World :-(
TheBarron |no e
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T-Rex |TheBarron: Only for the "north" kind. ;)
snapper |Ollie is too lame to even support natice Latin 1 format yet alone
|CTCP/2
TheBarron |no e for Olli, I meant
T-Rex |TheBarron: Thus my sly comment. ;)
Womble |snapper: What do you mean about Latin 1?
d9090 |MacUser I think still have every issue of AmigaWorld, AmigaPlus,
|Amigo Times, and a lot of old Amazings.. (also .info's natch)
YM0US |It's 6.12am for me should I wait for news??????
RMerlin |snapper: When I talked to Olli about CTCP/2 he didn't seemed to
|care at all. I suspect he wants it to be finalized before he
|gets on it.
PUNA |and the family stoned
RMerlin |snapper: So if I can finish ML in time, that'd give me an edge
|over him.
snapper |I guess i;m being harsh, it's unlikely any commercial app would
|supprt all 6 encodings like my guy ;)
PUNA |YM0US: the sun rising is news enuf
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Womble |snapper: What sort of support is needed?
Kreton |someone go kick Bills ass
Womble |snapper: Do you mean that you can't have nicks using characters
|160-255?
PUNA |which Bill
YM0US |yea your right . ok I'll wait around then.
PUNA |Clinton?
MacUser |d9090: there is a direct correlation between the thickness of
|Amiga World issues and the decline of Commodore...I sense a
|conspiracy.
Kreton |both of them
snapper |Wobble Rewrite the parser... and posibly the display code, it;s
|pretty simple I did all 6 encoding forms used in 2 days myself
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Kreton |ok maybe 3 of them ;)
snapper |CTCP/2 was the easiest
d9090 |Clinton's make three..
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PUNA |who's the other two?
Kreton |Gates and Mcthingy
PUNA |;)
d9090 |Gates and McEwen.. who's suppose to be here
PUNA |u gotta be kidding?
Womble |snapper: But in what way does AmIRC not handle Latin-1 correctly?
YM0US |has anyone else spoke online
TheBarron |McEwen, not Gates
snapper |Womble valid nick chars are define by the particular server
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Womble |snapper: That's what I thought
snapper |Wonmble it doesn;t handle thenperiod
PUNA |no news is good news i guess
Kreton |and nick lengths
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snapper |Latin1 encodeing is that control esc stuff like you use in
|AmigaDOS
Womble |æºçð©
Womble |Well, that seemed to come out OK, so what are you talking about?
snapper |No for colors and soft font changes
Womble |That's ANSI, you fool
snapper |42m etc
Womble |ANSI escape sequences
snapper |theres ansi and theres Latin1 as defined by AmigaOS
snapper |and ascii
Womble |Latin-1 is a character set
TheBarron |as I recall, I was glad AmIRC didn't do that crap
Mitchman |did I miss anything?
TheBarron |no
RMerlin |Mitchman: Just snapper picking up on newbies. :)
snapper |It;s also an encodeing scheme used by console.devioce
Womble |That's an ANSI escape sequence
Womble |console.device has a buggy implementation of it
RMerlin |Not buggy, just different from what you'd expect
snapper |Yes there is an ansi encoding, there is also ascii encodeing and
|ther is Latin! encoding
Womble |(I assume it is buggy, anyway)
RMerlin |It's ANSI 3.64 if I recall
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Womble |It certainly isn't close enough to VT100 (which ANSI escape
|sequences are based on) to satisfy many Unix programs
snapper |Womble there are 6 different text encodings out there in comon
|use
PUNA |ne1 use netbsd?
RMerlin |Womble: Well it follows the ANSI standard, not the VT one.
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Womble |snapper: So are you trying to tell me there are escape
|sequyuences to change character set, is that it?
Kinners |TheBarron: Who cares?
TheBarron |Who the freak asked you?
MacUser |OK. I talked to a Gateway rep. at a tech. convention in K.C. and
|asked what he knew about the Amiga...he said 'not much, but he
|thought it was a powerfull system, ahead of it's time, using the
|RISC based 486 and all' (his words, not mine)
TheBarron |MacUser: GW reps are clueless
MacUser |totally
PUNA |hehe
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PUNA |most ppl are clueless
TheBarron |this is true
snapper |Womble yes,the encoding for changing colurs and font styles etc
|enach encodeing scheme also has other things but they dont all
|hav ehte same stuff ;)
Kinners |TheBarron: I forgot to put the smiley at the end :)
TheBarron |:)
TheBarron |bah..
TheBarron |no matter
tamaron |what were you saying ;>
TheBarron |you suck
TheBarron |:)
RMerlin |Mitchman: Any luck with the bitplane locking problem with
|thorlist.gadget? The more it happens, the more I think it
|happens more often under heavy system load.
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TheBarron |oh yeah.. now I remember
Mousehunt |...
«Nick» |Mousehunt is now known as Kreton.
Kreton |Ah
tamaron |oh look here comes bill
TheBarron |you lie...
tamaron |not
tamaron |:>
d9090 |tamaron we've heard that one already..
«Nick» |Satyre is now known as Satyrway.
tamaron |oh sorry couldn't help myself
Yrag |...any word on QuikPak's leagal problems?
TheBarron |uh.. who cares about QuikPak, exactly? :)
Kreton |anyone know of a PC-PC parallel networking prog for Win95?
RMerlin |I like dicq's GUI so far
MacUser |Well, need to launch PhotoShop and my machine doesn't know how to
|multitask...so IRC has gotta go...CYA!
RMerlin |Shame it doesn't seem to work properly
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TheBarron |macuser: on a mac?
snapper |try/join #pokemynoseinotherpeopleslegalaffairs
Womble |Kreton: I think you can do one with the "Direct Cable Connection"
|program included Lose95
TheBarron |no..
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TheBarron |hrm
Kreton |Womble: Where would I find a diagram 4 the cable
DFDuck |TheBarron: you scared him away ¦)
CyborJim |There isn't anybody on #pokemynoseinotherpeopleslegalaffairs
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TheBarron |DFD: or something
snapper |you didnlt even explain the roubd corners and look at him funny
|;)
TheBarron |heheh
TheBarron |:)
Womble |Kreton: I think a "Laplink cable" would work
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TheBarron |I'm confused, though.. because he said he was on a mac, he said
|he couldn't multitask, but he was using AmIRC.. I think he was a
|bit mental :)
snapper |UAE ona mac ? ;)
Nite_Hawk |thats what I was thinking.. ;)
PUNA |yup
d9090 |Shapeshifter with a lo mem system?
PUNA |would have to be a powermac
snapper |is there one ?
PUNA |yes there is
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snapper |really... time to by a G3 laptop ;)
DFDuck |I've seen mac and pc irc clients phony amirc version reply but
|they rarely change the ctcp source reply.
Nite_Hawk |er hrm.. heh, just irc-epic here..
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BarronThe |ping
snapper |Hmm the G3 laptop is what 350mhz ?
fibbs |Bill still not here?!!!!
fibbs |thats a bit slack
Nite_Hawk |hrm.. I think I'll wait for the G4 before looking into mac, but
|by that time there should be some other options to look at too..
snapper |Toobad G3 laptop demand is still exceding supply and the prices
|aren;t dropping ;(
Toast |This shit about him eating - is it just bull- hasn't he arrived??
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Kreton |No, he's drinking
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d9090 |Toast.. we dunno what we dunno know. Kreton: That'd be my guess.
| The bar is not dry yet.
«Nick» |BarronThe is now known as TheBarron.
snapper |ya, get him drunk first ;)
Nite_Hawk |maybe he'll tell us some stuff that he wasn't supposed to.. ;)
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d9090 |Loose lips sink ndas... :-)
snapper |like the truth ;)
snapper |hehehe
TRue |:)
TheBarron |snapper: gimme a URL for CTCP/2
Kreton |"Sha Amiga ish finished.. ya here mee!! You ppl make me shick!!!
|Get away from me!"
snapper |Truth is a 3 edged blade
snapper |Edge 1 Schindler, Edge 2 Havemose Edge 3 McEwen, and then there
|sTedd Waitt of there witht he .303 ;)
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Nite_Hawk |I dono, I'm starting to think amiga has a better future than
|either alpha or sgi..
TRue |If done right.
Kreton |Maybe Havemose was going to set up a webcam of the birth...
snapper |I though he was holding the CamCorder
Kreton |A digital one ;0
«Topic» |snapper sets topic to Schindler said i was a girl, Havemose said
|it was a boy, TA said it looked like Blotto
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d9090 |As long as it doesn't look like Walker...
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Kreton |Looks like Blotto huh, pretty scary
«Nick» |snapper is now known as Snoopy.
Kreton |Didn't his caption on his web page say "This is me. I am an
|idiot"
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Snoopy |arf arf ...you die
Snoopy |Who Blottos ?
Kreton |yeah
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MrFloppy |'lo
Snoopy |I thonk that was "this is me, you are all idiots"
PUNA |ne1 use netbsd?
Nite_Hawk |PUNA: linux, if that helps..
Snoopy |which reminds me, i need to sue over that one ;)
d9090 |Now there's an idea the Charlie Brown Amiga ... Put the CPU in
|Snoopy's body and use his doghouse for expansion and drive bays..
«Nick» |Snoopy is now known as snapper.
PUNA |nah, thx
«Nick» |Satyrway is now known as Satyre.
Kreton |What is Blottos URL, god knows where I got it from
Kreton |oh wait I know
«Topic» |snapper sets topic to Willthey wait more than 5 hours, the
|current record...
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fibbs |topic: I will!
fibbs |:)
PosiX |So what's the scoop?
Kreton |we've been here longer :P
TheBarron |nada
snapper |zip
tamaron |we are all going to die :<
fibbs |PosiX: Amiga Inc's going bankrupt and taking Gateway with them..
|and also, Carl Sassenwrath is an alien. He turns cows inside out.
Nite_Hawk |hrm.. maybe I should export this to a log and write a proggie to
|ring a chime when it sees him join..
snapper |but it;s a really BBIG N zip
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d9090 |all men die.. not every man lives through crap like this...
|Braveheart.
Nite_Hawk |fibbs: but can he do that at the same time as he's formating
|floppies? >:)
Kreton |hey thats enough now
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snapper |Rebol has 5 letters, Sheep has 5 letters, need i say more ;)
PosiX |So there wasn't any announcements at the banquet.....
Kreton |we don't know
snapper |no one cuaght that first time round ;)
TheBarron |we wouldn't know
Kreton |the're all off getting pissed
TheBarron |drunk, too
TheBarron |:)
snapper |you need an upgrade bad
d9090 |snapper.. I knew it was the second time around tho..
TheBarron |heh
PUNA |what's wrong with a TI 92
Nite_Hawk |snapper: a friend of mine is supposedly selling me a 030/40 gvp
|board with 12megs of that propriatary mem for $100...
MrFloppy |the price of any pill is 2 CTCP pings
MrFloppy |;)
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Kreton |Haven't seen cooksey today
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TheBarron |he was here
TheBarron |he was Amirc
snapper |you missed him, he was here under an alias ;)
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MrFloppy |RM!
TheBarron |new pic on web cam!
snapper |When you see the logs you;ll see jkay controllinghim ;l)
Kreton |and I so wanted to betray the Amiga ;)
TheBarron |Kreton: I was doing my best
Kreton |is that Casey (can't see the head)
Nite_Hawk |hrm.. I'll wait another 7 mins til 1 here, then I think I'm
|getting some sleep..
snapper |ya,you can always read the log
Nite_Hawk |repainting the house, tires ya out..
snapper |or use it to wrap the fish
Kreton |is that Tek?
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d9090 |This is like a bad episode of the Twilight Zone.. I can almost
|hear Rod's voiceover...
Kreton |An empty room, wow
d9090 |"This is a story about a man waiting. Waiting for what? He
|doesn't know. Waiting for whom? He can't say. All he knows is:
|he has to wait... "
MrFloppy |me feels like he's going back to coding stuff in 68k asm
«Nick» |amiwest2 is now known as Commando.
TheBarron |commandude returns
TheBarron |Where the freak is Bill?
PUNA |but if its a 400mhz 68k, then i'm all for it;)
snapper |Well, i;m sure there willbe lots of news by the tie the Ohio show
|rolls around, and if in the odd chance there isn't , then I;d get
|pissed, but it;s just too early to get bent out of shaoe just yet
Kreton |Commando in AmiWest98
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MrFloppy |PUNA: I only meant that I'm going to turn my a4k on and start
|typing...
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PUNA |;)
TRue |I believe Bill was going to talk specs and touch on marketing?
TheBarron |Commando is giving the 'specs' on #amiwest98
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fibbs |TheBarron: please repaste them here!
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snapper |you got 3
snapper |you got 3
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snapper |4
TheBarron |fibs.. oh.. sorry
snapper |5
TheBarron |why?
TheBarron |aren't you in there too? :)
fibbs |I am now!!
fibbs |I missed the specs
TheBarron | here are the specs:
TheBarron | 400,000,000 24bit textured mip pixels sec ....
TheBarron | we dont' know what mip pixels are yet..
TheBarron | also, the chip was called a: Multimedia RISC ...
TheBarron |that's it
RMerlin |TheBarron: Might as well have said nothing.
TheBarron |jup
fibbs |what! we already knew that.. argh
_bladez_ |thebarron: gads i already knew that?
TheBarron |yep
Satyre |oh...and don't pass it on:)
fibbs |what else did he say before oh, and also, we (who
|attended) were bidded not to talk to outside of amiga ...
TheBarron |that's about it
_bladez_ |it not as if the banquet was a closed developers conference ..
|what gives?
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snapper |lame eh ;) not to mention the press in attendance ;)
RMerlin |This looked like another fucking amateur job.
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Toast |Don't fuck with us. Give us the bloody details. Were starved.
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TheBarron |RMerlin: you expect more?
tessier |So what are the news?
PUNA |dem bones dem bones, dem dry bones
KarlosI |Man the amiwest floor looks rather void. now that eveyrone is
|gone!!
RMerlin |TheBarron: No. But being told "don't tell anyone else outside of
|the community" sounds MOST amateur.
snapper |The news is no news till Ohio maybe
RMerlin |And the hype about "We'll be revealing specs" to be told that
|single figure sounded also like amateur crap
tessier |snapper arrrgsh again??? what about their promise they made at
|the last show no i mean in london where they said 30 days!
snapper |bare in mind Commando isnlt noted for accurate quoting ;)
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RMerlin |Just like it sounded amateur that they can't make an official
|speech without confusing everyone over the Intel issue
Fman |Rmerlin: what single fingure.....I have heard absolutly no news
|:(
tessier |RMerlin so again we are with the same 2 more weeks BS!
RMerlin |Fman: 400,000,000 24bit textured mip pixels/s
snapper |tessier That was overly optomistic
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tessier |snapper well better stuck with BeOS till then ;-)
RMerlin |Any idiot who knows about those recent multimedia processors
|could have given that figure out of his butt
fibbs |RMerlin: oh well. to put it in perspective for people, PERMEDIA2
|does about 80million, and the VooDoo2 about 90million.. so
|400milion isnt too shabby. :)
RMerlin |fibbs: It's vapor
snapper |tessier What is ot you;re dying to know so bad ?
tessier |RMerlin what else is new A/Box is vapor too and amiga fanatic
|love it ;-)
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TheBarron |especially since it prolly won't be that impressive by the time
|we get it, if we ever do
KarlosI |ANyone who believe news would come out of this show.....has
|gotten be grabbing at straws.....take my word, no ews is to come
|until november show in cologne
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MrFloppy |but then again it's only 2D performance spec...
fibbs |KarlosI: ahhh.. yu've been here just as many hours as we have.
|:-)
_bladez_ |karlos: well by november i expect to see something tangible in
|the way of that os4 bridge box let alone just news.
MrFloppy |what about triangles and other Goraud shaded shit?
RMerlin |IF they said november, expect may.
fibbs |MrFloppy: 400 pixels million per/sec is with all the effects
|going and in 24bit I think..
tessier |RMerlin yah like in the old days of EScommodore blah blah with
|Petro and co.
tessier |fibbs tri-linear ?
RMerlin |Frankly, I don't appreciate either being treated like a game
|console consumer and being given such useless figures
fibbs |tessier: yeah, that thing..
fibbs |tessier: hehe
RMerlin |tessier: No, that's just how the industry goes.
tessier |RMerlin and that stink! oh well by the time they are ready to
|announce something everyone will be gone!
KarlosI |On a serious note......you'll see after ohio.....there won't be
|any news then, unless that phone call comes to them. Otherwise
|DOn't expect any till November it's just logic!!
KarlosI |And consider any news inbetween a treat!
_bladez_ |karlos: did that but i got a bonus PPC processor thrown in =)
MrFloppy |haha
KarlosI |DUn believe snapper, there won't be any news at ohio!! ;)
KarlosI |blade: how?
_bladez_ |karlos: i bought a powerup with o6o/50 and it also happened to
|have a PPC 604e attached to it =]
KarlosI |blade: huh, heh did you get it at a good price?
_bladez_ |$2500 aud with 128MB of RAM.
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KarlosI |darx exchange 2550 AUD CAD
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_bladez_ |darx seen darx
KarlosI |oops wrong channel
KarlosI |;)
KarlosI |-Darxide- 2500 AUD (Australia Dollar) = 2271.800 CAD (Canada
|Dollar)
KarlosI |-Darxide- Done
KarlosI |blade: you've been had!! :+/
_bladez_ |karlos: considering some places in australia were selling the
|powerup for $2800 bare
_bladez_ |karlos: why?
KarlosI |2500 AUD (Australia Dollar) = 1535.000 USD (United States Dollar)
Cleese |2200CAD!? That's about what I paid for my 060/50 two years ago..
RMerlin |That's Australia.
RMerlin |Everything costs more
KarlosI |RM: hmm
KarlosI |heh
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RMerlin |They must import things from the other side of the globe
KarlosI |Must suck then!! :+?
_bladez_ |cleese: you forgot what we have to go through to get this stuff
|here :(
_bladez_ |karl: tell me about it :)(
Fman |Things on this side of the world are really
|expensive......bladez: you didn't buy that card locally in Oz did
|you...?
Cleese |bladez: haven't got a clue what you have to go through :)
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_bladez_ |fman: yeah but it still have to be imported into the country
|first ?
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_bladez_ |have==has
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Fman |bladez: I buy heaps of Amiga stuff.....never used a local
|distributor as they have always been twice the price........just
|do some work. Contact Software Hut..they deliver to me all the
|time
KarlosI |blade: what do they charge taxwise?
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_bladez_ |karlos: like wounded bulls .. 22% tax and import duties as well.
KarlosI |so about 40% above the price?
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_bladez_ |fman: something like that above the cost price.
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_bladez_ |fman: you still need to pay import duties .. don't you?
_bladez_ |fman: and what about warranties?
ookkiee |somebody told me about a future amiga system that handle 4 hdtv
|stream? is it a fable to impress?
Fman |bladez: well...I live in NZ...however of all thethings I have
|brought in I have not been touched by Customs yet
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RMerlin |ookkiee: It's MPEG, not HTDV.
_bladez_ |fman: afaik all the stuff that comes into australia gets checked
|out in customs :(
ookkiee |RMerlin: was res? input & output?
RMerlin |ookkiee: Just decoding.
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Fman |Warranties are good. Just mail it back to the US. I have never
|had a problem with anything...however a friend of mine had
|somthing screw up...they sent him anoher
ookkiee |RMerlin: vcd or dvd type streams?
Cleese |RMerlin: didn't they at some point say HDTV-resolution MPEG's!?
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Mitchman |ookkiee: mpeg-2
RMerlin |ookkiee: Who knows? They are still playing childish
|hide-and-seek games. All we know is "MPEG", period. No details.
Fman |hmmm...time to split..
Mitchman |a previous conference clarified it, Havemose said MPEG-2
ookkiee |Mitchman: mpeg2-2 is to say ~700 res?
ookkiee |RMerlin: ok, I just thought details would have come from today
|conference
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RMerlin |ookkiee: No, nobody from AI except their marketing guy was at the
|show.
ookkiee |Mitchman: mpeg2 dont 'detail;' the resolution, right?
ookkiee |Mitchman: mpeg2 can mean an mpeg2 stream but 320x240
Mitchman |it does
Satyre |RMerlin: meanwhile they're going crazy over www.alphametric.com
|in #Amiwest98...red herring anyone?
RMerlin |So far, everything they're announcing will be available on a PC
|card by the time their new computer gets released.
RMerlin |So frankly, it fails to impress me in any way
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RMerlin |IT's like the A/BOX
Nite_Hawk |RMerlin: depends what kind of bus they use in it.
RMerlin |The specs announced were something prfectly average for the time
|when it would have been released
ookkiee |RMerlin: the abox sound pretty cool tho if its cheap.. like
|having an SGI indy at home
RMerlin |Nite_Hawk: Digital can give you a 1 gig bus today, so big deal.
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RMerlin |ookkiee: By the time it will be out, a 1500$ PC will do the same.
T-Rex |okkiee: A/Box specs were closer to the O2 than the indy.
Nite_Hawk |RMerlin: digital kinda has a shacky future considering digital no
|longer even exists, it's compaq now.
RMerlin |You seem to forget guys that announced specs are what will be
|available in two years.
RMerlin |It might be impressive today, but it won't be in two years.
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Nite_Hawk |and alphas only have a 266mhz bus, if thats what you wre talking
|about..
RMerlin |Nite_Hawk: Not at all.
TheBarron |that was what I said about the 400 mp thing
ookkiee |T-Rex: true. I was thinking od the 02
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RMerlin |Nite_Hawk: clock rate doesn't equal bandwith.
Nite_Hawk |RMerlin: they use 64bit pci buses, those have double the pci bus
|which is 133mb/s
Nite_Hawk |RMerlin: um yes, I know that. :P
RMerlin |If it's not Digital, then it must be Sun
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TheBarron |later people
ookkiee |Nite_Hawk: 64bit pci device aRE very rare
RMerlin |Anyway one of the workstation makers out there already have a one
|gig bus available
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Nite_Hawk |ookkiee: agreed, which means most of the time you'll only get
|133mb/s
ookkiee |Nite_Hawk: any actually affordable, and in the consumer market?
Nite_Hawk |RMerlin: yes, though if you want one it's gonna cost you tons,
|and your probably thinking about sgi O2s which have roughly
|1.2g/s buses, but those are still in the 5k range USED..
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RMerlin |ookkiee: In two years it will be in the consumer market.
RMerlin |Nite_Hawk: It won't cost me tons in 2 years.
Nite_Hawk |RMerlin: no, but you'll have to put up with slow 3d.
TRue |How many Amiga products willyou own in 2002?
RMerlin |Which is all about: specs given today about tomorrow's systems
RMerlin |TRue: Probably none.
ookkiee |BTW, isn't 64bit pci only usefull for GFX device
ookkiee |and isn't AGP already in par with PCI64bit?
Nite_Hawk |RMerlin: O2s are being beaten out by 3dfx cards and such these
|days, the only thing that keeps em up there is the encredibly
|fast bus, high quality 3d, not necissarily the fastest, and the
|fact that alot of highend software runs on it.
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RMerlin |AGP interfaces with the CPU, so I guess it is
Nite_Hawk |ookkiee: pretty much, but 64bit pci isn't exactly fantastic
|either..
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RMerlin |Nite_Hawk: O2s are low-end, one year old systems.
RMerlin |Nite_Hawk: And I never mentionned the O2.
ookkiee |RMerlin: next 'o2' will be a x86 box it seem
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Nite_Hawk |RMerlin: the O2 is the system that has the 1g/s bus you were
|talking about. I don't believe any suns have that much bandwidth.
Nite_Hawk |None of the other SGIs do anyways, atleast not directly to the
|memory pool.
RMerlin |Nite_Hawk: Anyway my point was they can't announce any
|kind of bus that would impress me, considering what's already
|existing.
RMerlin |Don't forget two things:
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RMerlin |1) AInc is using off-the-shelves stuff
RMerlin |2) If it's on the shelve, it means anyone else can also pick them
|up, or do something similar.
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RMerlin |So if you're expecting AInc to repeat the same thing as in 1985,
|you'll be disappointed.
Nite_Hawk |ookkiee: not really, the O2 again had that encredible bus, and
|agp is still no where near that kind of speed..
MrFloppy |is x86 version of BeOS out yet?
fibbs |RMerlin: repeat what? the success? or custom hardware?
RMerlin |fibbs: The leapfrogging over the competition
ookkiee |anyone went to amiwest? intweresting, or propagenda?
Nite_Hawk |not to mention that all prefereals on the O2 bus could directly
|access memory, on X86 thats only true of the agp bus, which is
|limited to video.
fibbs |RMerlin: I wanna leapfrog. :(
fibbs |hehe
ookkiee |MrFloppy: I will try 3.1 on my x86 in a few minuts
Llama |ribbit ribbit
ookkiee |Release 3 worked, but not that impressive in term of speed VS nt4
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Nite_Hawk |if the amiga was generated from ground up around an extremely
|fast bus with direct access from all pereferals to the memory
|pool, it would be an outstanding archetecture, which the pc can't
|fallow because it can't start over fresh, legacy support..
ookkiee |nite: Do you need 1 gig bandwidth to audio?
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Kreton |You can run audio on a parallel port
Kreton |its stupid
Kreton |talk about overkill
RMerlin |That's the idea behind PCI
Nite_Hawk |ookkiee: certainly not, but how about when you start looking at
|100mb/s harddrives? a couple years down the road and you may seem
|em...
RMerlin |Everyone sits on a common bus
MrFloppy |ookkiee: you ordered it from Be?
RMerlin |Even the CPU is considered a peripheral over that bus
ookkiee |MrFloppy: yea. I just saw a few minuts ago I got an update in the
|mail
Nite_Hawk |ookkiee: already a raid array of 4 ultrawide scsi drives could
|saturate a pci bus if all are being used..
ookkiee |MrFloppy: they had problem with some NEC cdrom, this should fix
|it
d9090 |IBM and ST just signed a deal for sharing patents and esp for
|developing a new highspeed chipset for hard drives.. As of July 8
|'98..
ookkiee |Nite_: 100mb? PCI bus plugged on a 1gig local bus...
ookkiee |got to go.
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RMerlin |G'night
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T-Rex |What was all that about audio?
Llama |Nite I haven;t seen a raid array that exceeds 66mb/sec yet.....
|have I misse that ?
d9090 |Would a 1gig bus help mmRISC scale?
Kreton |We'll its all over, I better git to some programming n stuff
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Cleese |Llama: I'm not sure what a Storageworks 7000-cabinet can deliver,
|but I'd guess it's 66+Mb/s
Llama |sneaking uo there ;)
Nite_Hawk |Llama: I don't know, I was thinking thearetical, say you have 2
|Raid0 arrays both with 40MB/s drives.. if each drive is being
|written to, thats 80mb/s max per raid array..
T-Rex |I think you guys are missing the point of a UMA.
T-Rex |It's not really a 'bus' in the traditional sense.
Llama |Not me ;)
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Llama |But does UMA make sense for consumer markets ?
Senex |Excuse me - I'm sure there comes in every few minutes someone who
|asks this - but where there any new announcements?
T-Rex |If you can do it cheap, yes.
Nite_Hawk |Llama: for multimedia it does I think..
Llama |T-Rex Theres; the rub eh ;)
T-Rex |Well, if you are not trying to design it into a legacy system,
|I'll bet it can be done pretty cheaply.
d9090 |Was UMA one of the details revealed at the banquet?
T-Rex |SGI only charges so much for the O2 because they can.
T-Rex |d9090, no we are engaging in pure speculation.
Llama |T-REx probably, and the cost will go down as time goes on, but
|the price pointof the box is spiraling down fast still
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Nite_Hawk |Llama: if they are designing this as a 3d gfx system, it makes
|almost no sense to use a seperate bank of texture memory when you
|could use a central bank if both run at the same speed..
T-Rex |Llama: have you ever seen an O2?
Llama |T-Rex in the world of sub $500 devices, cost get damn critical
T-Rex |Llama: not for those devices. For the desktop machines.
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Llama |T-Rex no, but i was asked if I wanted ot work on their new
|filesytem to inteegrate the UMA etc across machines 2 years ago ;)
d9090 |T-Rex thanks.. so then, speculating, would such a wide "bus"
|allow for large scale SMP. (not a real hardware type, sorry)
Llama |T-REx Guess i should have said yes, would have had to ave at
|least 2 O2s and an Octaine
tamaron |project x llama?
T-Rex |The wide fast 'bus' allows for everything to use the same ram
|pool. I would imagine that SMP would be fairly easy to
|implement, as the CPU itself is like any other perhiphrial.
Llama |No idea, they just talked filesystem terms to me and integration
|stuff
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T-Rex |Llama: the O2 rawks.
Nite_Hawk |from what I understand, isn't this the whole idea behind chipram?
Llama |It was damn cool stuff mind you ;)
T-Rex |Nite: sort of. Just imagine nothing but very very fast chipram
|in your computer.
T-Rex |And lots of it. :)
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d9090 |T-Rex: scaling would be how you get SGI workstation performance
|out of a settop component, as hinted at initially.
Nite_Hawk |T-Rex: yeah, thats kinda what I've been trying to get accross to
|people, why this is a *good* thing..
Sodapop_ |Sorry, but what have been the news last evening ?
T-Rex |Well, any improvement past 1980s tech, could be a *good thing*
|for the Amiga...
Llama |The newsis the airline found caldis computer after losingit
T-Rex |going nowhere fast with the current H/W.
tamaron |need new hardware badly
T-Rex |Nothing really new, just that consulting company revealed.
tamaron |in other words they are contracting out things
Llama |Oh, I missed thast
tamaron |and looking at the results
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Llama |T-Rex what was the cinsulting company bit ?
Sodapop_ |Did they revealed the names ?
Mitchman |Alphametric Inc.
Mitchman |www.alphametric.com
Mitchman |it was supposedly a slip, wrong Powerpoint presentation
T-Rex |thanks Mitch:
T-Rex |yeah, accidentally on purpose. ;)
T-Rex |I'll just wager.
T-Rex |Boy these NiCad batteries look really ugly when they explode.
Sodapop_ |Mitchman: Alphametric ? they elaborate chips ?
Mitchman |Sodapop_: go to their webpage
Mitchman |It's a US<->Japan relations consulting company
T-Rex |Sodapop_: no, they just committed to the specs stated last month.
Mitchman |so it looks like AI is reaching for Japan
T-Rex |Mitch: that is just one of the things they do.
Llama |Not a hope in hell ;) they;re all commited already
MrFloppy |dust bunnies are about to replace lemmings
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tamaron |So what do we have now specs of a chip, no os yet agreed on, no
|amiga on a card for dev i think does that sum up what comm said
T-Rex |It was given as an example ot the type of work that they do.
|There were many other things included, like review of business
|plans for startups, investment capital searches all sorts of
|stuff.
Mitchman |and AI is still AHEAD of schedule
Mitchman |supposedly
MrFloppy |no OS or no kernel ?
tamaron |i believe they meant kernel
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tamaron |no amiga on a card for dev was a kinda small shock to me
Mitchman |tamaron: oh, when did they say this? What other option is there?
Sodapop_ |amaron: AI said that ???
Llama |tamaron I dont think they said that
MrFloppy |heh random robin could replace round robin ;)
tamaron |i thought i saw something about that maybe i was mistaken
tamaron |I hope i am wrong I was planning on getting one for dev
Llama |do you have ab amiga now ?
Mitchman |this is how rumours start
tamaron |an a2000 in the closet sold my a1200 to gather cash for a dev
|unit when available
tamaron |i rpobably misread something it is around three in the morning
|here :>
Llama |Mitchman No , rumors get started because all of a sudden McEwen
|is refering to the Bridge system as "OS5 Develeoment machine"
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Mitchman |Llama: sounds like what it is
d9090 |I saw somebody say the Ami PCI card wasn't an option.. maybe a
|requirement ? (But wasn't it always?)
tamaron |yeah that is the statement i read
Llama |Mitchman true, but it's OS4 ;)
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Wolfchild |anything happening??
MrFloppy |it's dev machine for the OS5...
d9090 |And earlier today, Paul Nolan said that Photogenic development is
|on hold while he does stuff for OS 4.. I presumed Siamese..
MrFloppy |running OS4
Llama |The fun part is referring to AmgaNG as OS5 Amiga.... so get
|started to get confusing
Llama |Couldn;t be sure which one he was referring to at any given time
d9090 |And now "MMC" is "mmRISC" .. MMR?
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Llama |Which was good for him ;)
Wolfchild |so the only thing we know is that the new chip is RISC??
tamaron |I wander what p5 is planning on doing these days
Llama |Mitchman You;ll have t read the log... but I got him from Amiga
|Inc will distribute new amigas word wide to "we are;t building
|shit"
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MrFloppy |argh crap... I'm out of here
MrFloppy |nite
tamaron |gnite
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d9090 |I don't Bill saying AmigaInc would be do ing the distributing..
|just that Amiga systems would be s
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Llama |d9090 the technology package consists of the hardware design plus
|the Os
d9090 |Llama: its very apparent from the newsgroups, too.
tamaron |well fight the good fight I'm off to bed
d9090 |Llama but what hardware technology does Amiga bring to the table?
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Llama |d9090 We don;t know yet do we ;)
d9090 |Llama.. maybe not. But I don't think mmRISC is coming out of
|AmigaIncs labs. I'll be pleasantly surprised when shown to be
|wrong. :-)
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Llama |d9090 but basically it will be the complete package, chip a
|combined with kernel b and middleware c... thats what the
|strategic partnership stuff is all about, several currently
|unrelated companies agreeing to the Amiga inc design that brings
|them together
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arnold |hows itgoing
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d9090 |I see the kernal as being grown from the borrowed OS4 kernal, so
|Amiga brings that. Plus the OS, plus some Amiga developers, plus
|developers dying for a credible Microsoft alternative.
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Llama |no, the kernel comes from one of the strategic partners
d9090 |Amiga doesn't become that until it's hardware gets back up to
|date or beyond in a package with high market appeal.. Hi, low
|anywhere. A few million users.
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Llama |now your talking desktop computers...to be built by whom if Amiga
|inc isnlt building boxes ?
Llama |Whith technology specifically aoned at converngence applications
d9090 |Havemose says the OS5 kernal will be grown from borrowed one.. so
|did Fleecy after WoA. Dunno what else to say about that.
Llama |Whith technology specifically aimed at converngence applications
Llama |d9090 Wellthe kernel is being borrowed from OS 4 which get is
|from the strategic partner they license it form
d9090 |Hi would be desktop. Low would be gameboxes and settops.. people
|who don't even own WebTV yet. The point of the "personality"
|technology, I presume.
Llama |But you;re missing the real issue here, who;s gonna build the
|desktop computer everyone is expecting if Amiga inc is only
|persuing convergence customers
d9090 |With personalities, the essentially same OS package serves
|several types of systems as vs WinCE, 95 and NT.
d9090 |Who built the 1200s and 4000s? when Escom fired up AmigaTech?
|maybe them.
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Llama |Amiga Tech built them
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d9090 |IIRC Amiga Tech never had more than a dozen employees. I thought
|it was a fabricator in Europe who did them.. QuikPac, etc.
Duracell |Quikpac built the for sure the A4000
Llama |d9090 Ok, to be more technically correct, Solotron in France
|build the A1200s, Quik-Pac in the us built the A4ts, which where
|ordered by and paid by Amiga Tech
d9090 |I'm distinguishing between actually building them (like Apple)
|and having someone else make the machines that run your software
|(Microsoft).
Llama |d9090 thats not the case this time, Amiga inc isnlt going to be
|making any boxes
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d9090 |My idea is that the settop makers pursue the settop market using
|AmigaOS. The gamebox maker pursues the gamebox market using
|AmigaOS.
Llama |d9090 Well, Commorode never mad any computers either, mot
|computer manufactuing is contracted out, who pays is who the
|manufacturer is to the end purchaser
d9090 |AMiga specs a desktop and workstation and hires someone to make
|them, running Amiga OS.
Llama |d9090 Nope, Amiga Inc soecs it, and licenses the design abd the
|OS to someone to build it with their money and sel it,not amiga
|inc;ls money
d9090 |Commodore owned MOS (Made 65xx's) and they had a factory in West
|Chester, which I visited.
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Llama |d9090 Which never made an Amiga
Llama |and very few of the PCs
d9090 |But Amiga 500s went through West Chester.. remember the speedbump
|bug.. Commodore blamed a speedbump at WestChester for some 500s
|shipping with loose chips.
d9090 |:-)) lots of hoots over that. You might be right though.. could
|have just been packaging.
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Llama |d9090 Ya, they went though Westcheseter to be put in the box,
|that was it. 2000s 3000s 4000s did as well to add the hard drives
|and software bundles
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d9090 |You could be right about AI just speccing the desktops, etc too.
|But the only way to guarantee such systems are available is to
|order them yourself.
Llama |d9090 the point being, C= wasconsidered the manufacturer, they
|had the boxes build with their money, so did AT, that;s not the
|case this time
Mitchman |speed bumb is the coolest excuse for a screwup I've ever heard :)
d9090 |THe low end market is hot and wide open.. lots of venture capital
|and big firms looking to take a bite out of "digital appliance"
|markets.
Arvid |Mitchman: remember that Atari advised service people to lift the
|machines up and drop them onto the banch to fix problems
d9090 |Not so with desktops.. many are just conceding that market to
|WinTel..
Llama |speed bump my ass, it was because Mehdi was moing the inventory
|around in trucks for 4 months avaoiding inventory tax.
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d9090 |:-)) one looooooong speed bump so to speak?
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Llama |One day they had 12 million in inventory in West Chester, the
|next they had none
Llama |Mysteriously 14 tractor trailors showed up in Toronto
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d9090 |I remember something about that too. Never equated the two, tho.
d9090 |Arvid That was a hoot too. :-)
Llama |then all of as udden they disappeard again and West chester has
|12 million dolls in inventory again, it was even better than Irv
|transferring ownership of his jet back and forth between
|commodore and his company
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d9090 |That I hadn't heard.. :-) Whaddaya expect from Caymen Island
|residents?
Llama |Mehdi was a lot of things, but he really knew how to screw the
|tax collecter ;)
d9090 |"One more thing... we don't want to pay taxes again... ever!" --
|Armaggeddon.
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Llama |At one point they had all the inventory doing the scenic trip
|around the us to each of the 5 warehousem it was like a huge
|shell game, whers the inventor today ?
d9090 |I'm sure I'm not alone in wanting to see Mehta and Irving do
|time.. even in a country club prison. It was the principle of
|the thing. What they did was criminal.
Llama |d9090 Why, they kept it alive far longer than it should have
|survived...
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Llama |d9090 there sno doubt mehdi was an ass hole, and I now he did
|things he could have servedtime for, but they were things that
|kept Commodore alive....
d9090 |I don't see it that way.. many decisions were based on their
|personal bank acct bottom lines. They throttled Amiga
|development, ignored chances for strategic partnerships.
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d9090 |If they extended CBM's life, it was to extend their meal tickets,
|not Amiga's life.
Llama |d9090 I cant go along with that, i did pretty good of Amiga, I
|saw no development throttled, in fact just the opposire
|experience, they would bend over backwards for almost any project
|that guaranteed unit sales
Llama |d9090 they screwed up some delas that could have been
|interesting, in retrospect i don;t see how any of those could
|have saved the company
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d9090 |Perhaps.. but the general consensus of observers from the outside
|was that Amiga never lived up to it's potential because of the
|way it was handled by CBM.
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d9090 |Lack of investment in advertising is probably at the top of that
|list. Spending money to make money.
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bonespile |Hi, Any good news from AmyWest
d9090 |As for development, you go all the way to the 3000 before you get
|a std HD interface, and the 4000 for a new gfx chipset.
Llama |d9090 thats a bad wrap to.... amiga didn;t do bad at all, 7
|million units is nothing to sneeze at, not bad for the little
|upstart... but sure they made mistakes, so did everyone, but
|ultimately they got cought in the sake trap as everyone else with
|shinking sales, shinking margins and heavy overheads and
|development xpenditures, it almost wiped out iBM, DEC, Apple
|Sun... Commodore just couldnlt get out of the hole cause they didnt
|have the resources and
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DFDuck |The little bit of TV advertising they did was lame lame lame;
|little johney gonna save the world with his A500.
Llama |Well 3000 to 4000 was a big fopah...no doubt about that... and
|that as much as anything was the most significant nail in the
|coffin, Sydes wasted a whole year and that ultimatley cost.
UgolONE |does anyone know the address for the webcam?
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DFDuck |www.amiga.org/webcam/
d9090 |In the US I think there were expectations that Amiga would, could
|challenge them but that challenge never really materialized.
|Compare Amiga's 7mill to the 64's 20mill or more units (could be
|more, 22?)
d9090 |That in a growing, exploding computer market.. averaging what 15%
|a year?
Llama |Ya, so how else are you gona advertise an Amiga it couldnlt
|comapre head to head with Mac or PCs because of poor apps, so
|that leaves games machine which are selling for alot less...
UgolONE |df: tnx!
d9090 |Our own Amiga dealer was selling 10 Leading Edges for every amiga
|1000 moved. And it only got worse.
UgolONE |bye!
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Llama |The TV ads was another fopah, Copperman got out of hand on that
|one, he spend the whole budlget producing them, had to beg Irv
|and Mehdi for air time ti run them and then it turmed out he
|didnlt even have the rights, Speilburg got residualls,....
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Llama |so running them cost even more
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DFDuck |I only saw the tv add a very few times then it was gone.
Winter0 |i've been gone all evening... did AInc give out the stats on the
|MMC, as promised?
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Llama |Thats why tapes of the commercials didnt get passed around to all
|the sales companies and dealers. to run in store
bonespile |Hi, I'm back
ActiveLow |I"ve been gone too, what exactly was said today at the show?
d9090 |Lots of mistakes.. any one of which might be fatal in a
|competitive situation. Name recognition goes far.
DFDuck |Then they did goofy things like package AmigaVision with stock
|A500's that couldn't do anything with it with that little ram.
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Llama |AV only came with A3000.A4000 here
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DFDuck |We bought a bunch of A500's for a desk top video class and they
|all came with AV. Had stacks of those.
Llama |But then each sales company in each country decided what the
|machne configuration they could sell would be abd thats what they
|got.
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d9090 |For you who just joined.. the specs announcement left
|considerable to be desired. Not much different than from WoA
|though some architetural thingies were shown and talked about.
DFDuck |We got all these 500's out of Sacramento at a place called Putts,
|which changed to Allied. I have no idea if its still in business.
bonespile |what were shown?
Lambertus |You mean: No news about the specs?? Or the specs were more
|announced and were disappointing?
d9090 |No decision on the kernal for OS4.. no MMC annoucnement, except
|that the chip name (type) is "Multimedia RISC"
DFDuck |Hard to have "specs" on somthing that doesn't exist yet ¦)
Llama |DFDuck Ah, one of those allan brooks deals no doubt ;)
ActiveLow |I didnt have my hopes up for info, I figured it would be the
|typical "next show is gonna reveal alot" type stuff..
d9090 |Some of both.. the same 400Mil pixel/sec which Haynie labels
|either a misprint or a yawn. Guess its not a misprint.
DFDuck |Llama: Hmmm.. name rings a bell but I couldn't be sure. With my
|Teflon® Brain I forget names a lot.
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Llama |Allan Brooks was head saes guy inthe sandiego sales office
d9090 |Something about a really fast "bus" though..
DFDuck |Llama: Sounds about right. Been some years back.
Lambertus |I know the feeling. Bells ringing (Well.. it's early sunday
|here, so ..) and forgetting a lot.
Llama |Time flies when your waiting for news ;)
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DFDuck |d9090: Ya.. somthing about a fast bus that wasn't really a bus..
|or sompin' like that.
Llama |why would you need a bus in a TV set ?
Lambertus |hmm.. It only keeps the whole thing mysteriousish. But not
|enough to be content with..
ActiveLow |DFDuck: another propretary bus like Zorro? er great....
DFDuck |Lambertus: There's 3 sure signs that you're getting old; 1. Your
|memory starts slipping. ... I don't remember the other two.
Tom-- |is there any kind of news?
d9090 |DFDuck.. was this the same 1.2Gbits/sec mentioned since WoA?
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d9090 |ActiveLow. well PCI will be one of the things on this bus.. not
|Zorro X, afaik.
DFDuck |d9090: Dunno.. I ignore WoA as much as I possibly could. Been
|listing to Amiga rumers so long I just don't listen much anymore.
DFDuck |I gave up listening to Amiga rumers somewhere around '86 ¦)
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Lambertus |DFDuck: ; )
ActiveLow |d9090: I mean something proprietary that'll cost more to
|develop/build.....I'd like to stick with standard bus'es....I'd
|assume this "great cpu" needs a bus with alot of bandwidth
|though...
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d9090 |I'm presuming there's a difference getween 1.2Gbits (datastream)
|and 1.xGHz (bus) Just want to clarify.
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ActiveLow |d9090: hell I'd be happy to have a few working old ISA slots, I
|have a ton of good cheap ISA cards I'd like to use, ie network,
|etc...
d9090 |The price of the bridge system went up some ($1300 now) but MMC
|or MMR systems will still start at something extremely low..
|$500, so the cost of the bus is probably a nonissue.
d9090 |ActiveLow with a good enough CPU and throughput, you could do
|ISA type things in software (modems, networking)
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ActiveLow |D9090: True, but if there's no RJ45 jack built in...8-).... I
|just looked at a copy of the 3000+ specs, it had a cool 2.5Mbps
|Token passing networking interface that ran over telephone cable,
|kinda cool...
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d9090 |ActiveLow.. there'll be 1394.. an adapter perhaps.. If software
|modems are in the cards, so are RJ45 jacks, logically.
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