--- Log for 31.07.98  Server: babylon.beyondirc.net  Channel: #Team*AMiGA
--- Nick: @Darxide_TA  Version: Dancer V4.10  Started: 7 days and 17 hours ago

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00.10.24 #       <hobbes> hello :-)
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02.08.41 #       <TB> Morning ladies
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02.37.34 #       <TB> Back.
02.38.46 #       <TB> Be right back
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02.39.31 #       <TB> Thats better
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04.05.28 #       <TranceTip> Hi!
04.05.33 #       <TB> hi
04.07.05 #       <TranceTip> When did this channel open?
04.07.12 #       <TB> Says in the topic.
04.07.23 #       <TranceTip> ah right. :)
04.07.28 #       <TB> :)
04.07.45 #       <TranceTip> how come it is only at beyondirc.net and not on all other irc servers?
04.07.59 #       <TB> Its on the other severs
04.08.24 #       <TranceTip> I tried a server in germany but it wasn't there...
04.08.34 #       <TB> There is however a bug in AmIRC that means only the first window will open the channe; right.
04.09.05 #       <TranceTip> try irc.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de
04.09.14 #       <TranceTip> the channel isn't there.
04.09.43 #       <TB> Thats because its not actualy linked to this network at the moment.
04.09.54 #       <TranceTip> will it be in the future?
04.10.12 #       <TB> Not to sure, but theres more than enuff servers.  type /map for a list
04.11.02 #       <TranceTip> hm, /map isn't supported.
04.11.19 #       <TB>  seattle.beyondirc.net 
04.11.19 #       <TB> `- babylon.beyondirc.net 
04.11.25 #       <TB>   |- Hfdata.EU.BeyondIRC.Net
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04.11.32 #       <TB>   |- irc.snowhill.com 
04.11.34 #       <TB>   | `- Bourg.BeyondIRC.Net
04.11.42 #       <TB>  |- interface.beyondirc.net 
04.11.44 #       <TB>   | `- services.beyondirc.org
04.11.55 #       <TB>   |- techmarket.beyondirc.net 
04.11.56 #       <TB>   |- Melnibone.Beyondirc.net
04.12.04 #       <TB>   |- Helper.Beyondirc.Net 
04.12.05 #       <TB>   |- dlld.beyondirc.net 
04.12.09 #       <TranceTip> hm, it says *** Unknown command: MAP
04.12.09 #       <TB>   `- irc.dragonlance.com
04.12.16 #       <TB> Theres the list
04.12.32 #       <TranceTip> okay..
04.13.27 #       <TB> Are you here for a reason exactly?
04.13.49 #       <TranceTip> no not really.. i just read it at Network News so I thought I'd have a look. :)
04.14.47 #       <TB> hehehe, well, dont belive everything you read there :)
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04.17.41 #       <TB> darx seen TA
04.17.54 #       <TB> damn, no access today
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05.07.13 #       <TB> hi
05.07.21 #       <Caster> hello
05.08.34 #       <Caster> by
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05.28.50 #       <TB> hi
05.29.05 #       <DNA> heya all
05.29.25 #       <TB> So, your from Slovakia huh?
05.29.39 #       <DNA> heh, you know slovakia?
05.30.09 #       <DNA> what day have we today?
05.30.09 #       <DNA> friday?
05.30.10 #       <DNA> just, I'm bit out of time last days ;)
05.30.14 #       <TB> Not realy, just noticed the sk and took a guess.  cant say Ive seen an Amiga user from there before
05.30.29 #       <TB> Its friday for me, but I get friday first anyway
05.30.52 #       <DNA> probably yes, I have spent some time on IRCnet #amiga
05.31.19 #       <TB> ahhhhh... that explains it.  Im an Amiganet person :)
05.31.58 #       <DNA> sorry, what timezone is GMT?
05.32.19 #       <TB> Im +12GMT I think.
05.32.52 #       <DNA> yeah, okey, but where is +0 GMT timezone?
05.33.10 #       <TB> 1 Hour away from London.  France maybe.
05.33.32 #       <DNA> Slovakia si in CET timezone...
05.33.55 #       <TB> Ahhh ok.
05.34.05 #       <TB> Im no good with international times :)
05.34.29 #       <DNA> so, you're Zealander ... 
05.34.34 #       <TB> yup
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05.35.59 #       <TB> hi
05.36.10 #       <ChrisP> hello
05.36.18 #       <DNA> damned lag...
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05.36.57 #       <TB> Morning dave
05.37.07 #       <Dave_C> yeah, it *IS* that
05.37.17 #       <Dave_C> but way too early in the morning for me.
05.37.33 #       <Dave_C> didn't get in til 4:30... and it's 7:30'ish
05.37.38 #       <TB> I've been up since 5am and its now 1am or so :)
05.37.47 #       <TB> Oh, its Saturday for me :)
05.38.02 #       <Dave_C> my eyes are watering/burning, but I'm worried that no more sleep will come.
05.39.10 #       <Dave_C> hmmmm
05.39.18 #       <Dave_C> somwone's on my page
05.39.32 #       <ChrisP> That would be me.  :)
05.39.35 #       <Dave_C> 31.07.98 07:36:03 (0bb22b00) 406 return for headers
05.39.36 #       <Dave_C> 31.07.98 07:36:03 (0bb22b00) User-Agent: IBrowse/1.22 (AmigaOS 3.0)
05.39.36 #       <Dave_C> 31.07.98 07:36:03 (0bb22b00) Referer: http://gmebbs.cnetbbs.net/clickthru.html
05.39.36 #       <Dave_C> 31.07.98 07:36:03 (0bb22b00) Accept-Language: *
05.39.36 #       <Dave_C> 31.07.98 07:36:03 (0bb22b00) Host: gmebbs.cnetbbs.net
05.39.38 #       <Dave_C> 31.07.98 07:36:03 (0bb22b00) Accept: text/html;level=3
05.39.39 #       <Dave_C> 31.07.98 07:36:03 (0bb22b00) Accept: text/html;version=3.0
05.39.41 #       <Dave_C> 31.07.98 07:36:03 (0bb22b00) Accept: n=3.0
05.39.49 #       <Dave_C> never seen AWS send anything like that thru
05.40.10 #       <Dave_C> ok.. 
05.40.21 #       <Dave_C> Chris.. please note the BBS links are incomplete..
05.40.29 #       <ChrisP> That's neat that you could tell.  How can you?
05.40.39 #       <Dave_C> the guy that's sending me the java telnet client hasn't sent the actual applet yet
05.40.52 #       <Dave_C> Miami logged it to the console.
05.42.02 #       <Dave_C> once that applewt is installed, java compat. browsers will be able to login to the BBS
05.42.36 #       <Dave_C> I just redid the page a day or 2 ago, and the BBS pages are in a different directory now, and some may be missing.
05.42.56 #       <ChrisP> java huh... I guess I'll have to boot my PC to do that...
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05.43.20 #       <Dave_C> all but one clickthru on the main page are AMiGA specific, of course.
05.43.54 #       <DNA> re all
05.43.57 #       <Dave_C> for now, telnet login requires only a good ANSI capable client
05.44.46 #       <ChrisP> ok.  that's good.  I haven't used telnet in ages but now I have a reason.
05.45.13 #       <Dave_C> term w/ telser.device works fine
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05.45.57 #       <ChrisP> I'll check AmiNet for those.
05.46.01 #       <Dave_C> welcome boozlebam
05.46.11 #       <boOZleBaM> thanks
05.46.22 #       <Dave_C> or on the PC, NetTerm, ANZIO, and CRT work
05.46.43 #       <boOZleBaM> I just read the email on this channel thought i would check it out
05.47.10 #       <DNA> hi boozlebam
05.47.16 #       <ChrisP> Dave: Can you tell that I left your page?
05.47.20 #       <boOZleBaM> hi dna
05.47.20 #       <Dave_C> nope
05.47.41 #       <Dave_C> like I said, that's the first time I've seen AWS log anything to the console.
05.47.42 #       <DNA> I did the same as you a few minutes ago :)
05.48.02 #       <boOZleBaM> oic
05.48.10 #       * Dave_C doesn't feel like he'll be much help right now...
05.48.16 #       <Dave_C> too little sleep and NO coffee.
05.48.26 #       <boOZleBaM> ahh
05.48.33 #       <boOZleBaM> get some Josta :)
05.48.44 #       * Dave_C works in a band, and didn't get home til 4:30
05.48.57 #       <Dave_C> 3:15 hrs ago
05.49.06 #       <boOZleBaM> i just got off work at about 2 hours ago
05.49.18 #       * Dave_C hunts for a couple of valiums or a zoloft...
05.49.26 #       <Dave_C> I know I left 'em here somewhere...
05.49.35 #       <boOZleBaM> lol
05.49.57 #       <boOZleBaM> no no sleep is the enemy ;)
05.50.20 #       <Dave_C> sleep is my friend, just doesn't visit me often enough
05.50.29 #       <Dave_C> chronic insomnia sucks hard
05.52.06 #       <Dave_C> Chris: outside the bbs links, how'd the page look?
05.52.22 #       <boOZleBaM> i'm gone later
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05.52.44 #       <Dave_C> frames size correctly? all links show in the index bar?
05.53.12 #       <DNA> great!
05.53.49 #       <Dave_C> oh, and believe it or not, we had a guy from SAS in here yesterday!
05.54.00 #>>     'seen' used by Dave_C (davecook@host239.internettport.net) [snoop prevented]
05.54.01 #       <TB> SAS?
05.54.06 #       <DNA> oops, sorry, but I'm happy -- I've just got an answer from Ted wallingford 
05.54.13 #       <TB> I see him everyday :)
05.54.19 #       <ChrisP> Dave:  Let me have a better look.  One sec.
05.54.30 #       <TB> I see ted everyday to.  Well, on IRC
05.54.37 #       <Dave_C> SAS Institute - former developers of SAS/C
05.55.10 #       <Dave_C> we asked... no hope on a new or even RE-release
05.55.12 #       <DNA> TB: well, but this concerns the fact I have emailed Bill McEwen (I'm writing an article for our local diskmag)
05.55.43 #       <TB> DNA: Ask away... 
05.55.52 #       <Dave_C> BUt Steve had some good pointers for ppl using SAS/C
05.56.00 #       <DNA> Tb: sorry?
05.56.04 #       <ChrisP> It would be great to have SAS back again.
05.56.16 #       <TB> dna: What ya asking abot bill, or of bill?
05.56.28 #       <Dave_C> but alas, the compiler market is a low paying one.
05.57.00 #       <Dave_C> They're doing just dandy w/ their DBM stuff and aren't negotiable on the compiler at all
05.57.07 #       <ChrisP> Dave:  The site looks good.  Everything is where it should be.  :)
05.57.11 #       <DNA> TB: hmm. I have emailed Bill directly, but there was some bound error, so Ted answered on behalf of Bill
05.57.31 #       <TB> dna: Ahhh ok.  What were ya asking bout?
05.57.35 #       <DNA> TB: but now he has forwarded it directly to Bill...
05.58.23 #       <DNA> TB: well, about AMiga, Inc. , something on MMC, something on not invting Haynie to that chip presentation
05.58.59 #       <TB> AI has some ulta strict security on the Mitchy, so even Dave Haynie would be a breach.
05.59.01 #       <DNA> TB; soory, it's a long story, and I havta go now... I have a deadline on Monday and I have to email Dave again...
05.59.14 #       <Dave_C> DNA: I believe Dave asked the right questions, and has gotten the info enough to not talk about it in the manner he did before.
05.59.24 #       <DNA> TB: well, Petro dont like PIOS, that's the reason probably
05.59.43 #       <TB> Petro hasnt got anything to do with Amiga Inc in anyway at all.
06.00.21 #       <Dave_C> Petro is lucky if he knows what he's marketting half the time.
06.00.25 #       <DNA> Dave_C: I dont think so....  I have asked dave -- if he knew something, he would tell he cant speak about 
06.00.52 #       <TB> Dave is now competition, so why give them the advantage?
06.00.56 #       <DNA> Dave: thats true. Byt maybe a god will bless him...
06.00.58 #       <DNA> huh, havti gom really :(
06.01.01 #       <Dave_C> not NDA stuff, but figured it out from the snippets that have been out there.
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06.01.55 #       * Dave_C just noticed a sudden shift in Dave's conversations about MMC
06.02.21 #       <Dave_C> He stopped postiong doubting articles and in effect stopped talking about it at all.
06.03.19 #       <Dave_C> I'm hoping Fleccy stops by, and doesn't get flooded off w/ everyone asking him NDA questions
06.03.44 #       <TB> hehehehe :)
06.03.59 #       <TB> I havent had a good talk to Fleecy in almost a year now.
06.04.53 #       * Dave_C has his NDA button ready
06.04.55 #       <Dave_C> Stock NDA response - "I'm not sure....."
06.05.34 #       <Dave_C> I should do a script to do a few random NDA responses...
06.06.08 #       <Dave_C> Stock NDA response - "Dave_C pretends he didn't hear the question...."
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06.06.31 #       <Dave_C> Stock NDA response - "Did *I* say that?"
06.06.57 #       <Dave_C> Stock NDA response - "Errr.. gulp...no comment"
06.07.34 #       <Dave_C> Stock NDA response - "uhh.. let me get back to you on that..."
06.09.01 #       <Dave_C> and on that note, I'm back to bed... 
06.09.07 #       <Dave_C> back in a few hours.
06.09.11 #       <TB> Bye
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08.44.18 #       <sc00by> dave, can you help with nickserv?
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08.54.50 #       <Rocambole> hello all :)
08.57.03 #       <kernel> Does anyone use ShapeShifter?
08.57.15 #       <Rocambole> not me
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09.02.25 #       <Rocambole> wb kolla 
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09.22.33 #       <Rocambole> hello Ogge 
09.22.37 #       <Ogge> hi m8s
09.23.08 #       <Ogge> hmmm... '«REDFOX» OP status is removed by Darxide_TA '
09.27.35 #       <Rocambole> Ogge: Dave_C will fix that for you
09.28.00 #       <Ogge> it's ok.. 
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09.28.33 #       * Ogge is going nuts over idefix97 and atapi.device
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09.40.23 #       <Ogge> anyone using atapi.device to accesss a cd-rom on their amiga?
09.40.31 #       <Rocambole> wb kolla 
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09.43.49 #       <TJoMMe> Hey
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09.43.52 #       <Ogge> hey tjomme
09.43.58 #       <Rocambole> hello TJoMMe 
09.44.00 #       * TJoMMe , the lost Sop joins his fellow friends =)
09.44.08 #       <Rocambole> :))
09.44.38 #       * TJoMMe looks at his nick...I fell naked =)
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09.45.40 #       <TJoMMe> ummm...now that was 2 strange servers...fake split ?
09.46.20 #       <Rocambole> welcome ackordet 
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09.47.16 #       <ackordet> thanx :)
09.47.56 #       <ackordet> is it always this much people ?
09.52.52 #       <Rocambole> ackordet: we hope that it will be many more here later on :)
09.55.56 #       <ackordet> yep.. it hasnt been up for so long.. 3 days or what ?..
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09.58.06 #       <Squiz> Evening
09.58.21 #       <Ogge> hey squiz
09.59.10 #       <Squiz> Hm, officially opening soon?
09.59.53 #       <Rocambole> Squiz: any minute now :)
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10.00.58 #       * Rocambole welcomes StG^sNTx to #Team*AMiGA
10.00.59 #       <Ogge> hey stg...
10.01.07 #       <StG^sNTx> Hello good people:)
10.04.38 #       <StG^sNTx> well.. on my clock this is now the official amiga help-channel!
10.05.06 #       <Ogge> yep.. 
10.05.13 #       <Rocambole> All: Time has come to welcome you all to the OFFICIAL Amiga Help Team Channel
10.05.36 #       * Ogge cheers... 
10.06.16 #       * StG^sNTx whistles in a loud pitch!
10.06.32 #       <Rocambole> I hope that we'll have visit of the "big" guys here during the evening and night.
10.06.55 #       <Rocambole> theis is due to the timezones
10.07.27 #       <Ogge> well lets hope this channel will be cruded later tonight...
10.07.37 #       <Ogge> crowded even.. 
10.07.54 #       <Rocambole> I'm sure the channel will be crowded :))
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10.08.13 #       <Ogge> hmm.. i need a new keyboard.. 
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10.08.34 #       * Rocambole welcomes MacEm to #Team*AMiGA The now OFFICIAL Amiga Help Team Channel
10.08.38 #       * Rocambole welcomes Gott to #Team*AMiGA
10.08.48 #       <MacEm> Cheers Roc
10.09.03 >>>     "cmd" by MacEm (MJW@p9-despina-not.tch.cableol.net)
10.09.13 #       <Gott> Hi all.
10.09.14 #       * Rocambole welcomes Gott to #Team*AMiGA the now OFFICIAL Amiga Help Team Channel
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10.12.17 #       <Gott> Bye all.
10.12.25 #       <MacEm> So, how are the officials?
10.12.26 #       <Ogge> bye gott
10.12.29 #       <Rocambole> welcome back Gott 
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10.12.47 #       <Rocambole> MacEm: still sleeping maybe :))))
10.13.11 #       <Rocambole> it's noon in the states
10.13.32 #       <Rocambole> they'll be here later
10.13.33 #       <Squiz> 10am in the west coast
10.13.46 #       <Ogge> i'll bbl.. cya
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10.14.13 #       <phoe> evenin' all
10.14.23 #       * Rocambole welcomes phoe to #Team*AMiGA the now OFFICIAL Amiga Help Team Channel
10.14.44 #       <phoe> I think the europe.net server is playing up... anyone wanna check it out to verify ?
10.15.12 #       <Rocambole> phoe: I think that's correct
10.15.22 #       <phoe> the channel names are set up the same for 2 entries in amirc, but europe.beyondirc.net didn't accep that as a name
10.15.36 #       <phoe> (I mean didn't take #team*amiga )
10.15.36 #       <Squiz> I'm on the europe server. No problems here
10.15.41 #       <phoe> hmm.. weird...
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10.15.53 #       <Rocambole> phoe: it's a bug in Aamirc that causes that
10.16.00 #       <phoe> it threw me into #teamamiga instead of #team*amiga
10.16.04 #       <phoe> Rocambole: ok...
10.16.10 #       <Squiz> Hm, it is?
10.16.19 #       <Rocambole> Squiz: yes
10.16.22 #       <phoe> ok, so when's phase II kicking off ? I can offer BBS support
10.16.27 #       <Squiz> I'll mention it to Olli
10.16.40 #       <Rocambole> phoe: great :)
10.16.59 #       <Rocambole> Squiz: good
10.17.07 #       <phoe> :-}  i've got a ready to run archive if anyone wants to try setting one up too...
10.17.38 #       <phoe> it's not perfect, but it's a damn good start... at least 35 bbs's in the UK first set up using it anyway.. :-}
10.17.54 #       <Squiz> What bbs software?
10.18.07 #       <phoe> Maxs
10.18.21 #       <Squiz> heh :)
10.18.34 #       <phoe> ok, so it's lame, but it's FREE !
10.19.14 #       <Rocambole> CNet4.59 was uploaded to Aminet yesterday
10.19.31 #       <phoe> is it public domain now ?
10.19.32 #       <phoe> it *was* commercial
10.19.45 #       <Squiz> I was always partial to Racoon. Great little piece of BBS s/w
10.20.07 #       <phoe> never actually saw it for 'real'... saw the reviews...
10.20.19 #       <Rocambole> phoe: it's still comercial, but a working demo with 1 week limit was uploaded
10.20.41 #       <phoe> Rocambole: not much use in real life then really :-(
10.20.54 #       <phoe> I don't like a cli style interface anyway tbh...
10.21.22 #       <Rocambole> phoe: nope, but if it's worth using you can allways buy it ;))
10.21.35 #       <phoe> yeah... 'spose so...
10.21.56 #       <phoe> but you can't get that much of a feel for it in one week... ie. filebase manipulation / problems...
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10.23.15 #       * Rocambole welcomes Dave_C to #Team*AMiGA the now OFFICIAL Amiga Help Team Channel
10.23.16 #       <Dave_C> re all
10.23.20 #       <Dave_C> sorry I'm late.
10.23.38 #       <Dave_C> I actually made myself go back to sleep.
10.24.01 #       <Rocambole> Dave_C: so you are fresh now then :)
10.24.49 #       <phoe> hiya TJoMMe - didn't see you there m8 !!
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10.25.11 #       <phoe> hows the PPC m8 ?
10.25.17 #       <Dave_C> TJoMNe has been added
10.25.26 #       <Rocambole> Dave_C: thanx :)
10.25.30 #       <MacEm> Whos got a PPC?
10.25.38 #       <Rocambole> not Rocambole 
10.25.42 #       * Rocambole uses A1200T/030/50MHz(Blizzard 1230 IV)/MMU-FPU/SCSI/2+48MB mem/2.1GB IDE+1.228GB+2.1GB SCSI HD/AmiOS 3.1 - kick 3.1/MAG 15" mon/USRsportster 28.8/Pioneer 12x CDRom/80w speakers. Rebuilt into Towerhawk with ONBOARD (Zorro II with 7 slots).
10.25.42 #       <phoe> tjomme did I think...
10.25.46 #       <phoe> not seen him for months tho !
10.26.10 #       <phoe> ok, who's got the LOWEST spec machine ??? me ??? vanilla A1200 + 4Mb ram
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10.27.10 #>>     "don't be silly :)" by Rocambole (Rocambole@ti10a34-0001.dialup.online.no)
10.27.11 #       * Rocambole welcomes Commish to #Team*AMiGA the now OFFICIAL Amiga Help Team Channel
10.27.17 >>>     'pass' used by Dave_C (davecook@host239.internettport.net) [snoop prevented]
10.27.30 #>>     "useradd ToJMNe 20" by Dave_C (davecook@host239.internettport.net)
10.27.42 #       <Commish> Rocambole: Howdy back.   Hows things working out?
10.28.07 #       <Rocambole> well, we have a soft start :)
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10.28.29 #       <Dave_C> ToJ: try to stick to one nick please...
10.28.35 #       <Rocambole> I hope the officials will pop in later this evening
10.28.44 #>>     "useradd ToJMMe 20" by Dave_C (davecook@host239.internettport.net)
10.28.50 #       <Commish> Rocambole: Considering I just read the email today...  it will take time.
10.28.55 #       <Dave_C> erk
10.28.58 #       <Dave_C> I need coffee
10.29.03 #>>     "useradd TJoMMe 20" by Dave_C (davecook@host239.internettport.net)
10.29.25 #       <StG^sNTx> Dave_C: there u go:)
10.29.27 #       <Dave_C> TJ: It's a dancer.. youprobably know the passwrod drill
10.29.39 #       <Dave_C> password
10.29.39 #       <Dave_C> arg
10.29.55 #       * Dave_C begs forgiveness.
10.29.55 #       <Dave_C> I just woke up.
10.31.31 #       <phoe> how can I reg my nick on here ?
10.31.31 #       <Dave_C>  /msg nickserv register <password>
10.31.31 #       <Dave_C> type /msg Nickserv help
10.31.31 #       <Rocambole> Commish: yes, but some responded to the press releas yesterday and seemed very happy about the idea of an official channel :)
10.31.31 #       <phoe> hmm.. just like dal ;-)
10.31.31 #       <Dave_C> basic services are basic services
10.31.31 #       <phoe> kewl...
10.31.31 Mode    "#Team*AMiGA +o TJoMMe " by Rocambole (Rocambole@ti10a34-0001.dialup.online.no)
10.31.31 #>>     "sview Rocambole" by Dave_C (davecook@host239.internettport.net)
10.31.31 #       <phoe> Dave_C: some networks don't support the same services tho, like galaxy
10.31.36 #       <Dave_C> we know what galaxy supports.
10.31.40 #       <Dave_C> ouch
10.31.50 #>>     "usermod rocambole 50" by Dave_C (davecook@host239.internettport.net)
10.31.58 #       * phoe waits for the kick ! <EEK>
10.32.01 #       <Rocambole> Dave_C: thanx :)
10.32.21 #       <phoe> there was an alternative #amirc on there, but it didn't take off, honest !
10.32.24 #       <Commish> Rocambole: I thing it's a _damn_ good idea.  Especially with the resources you listed.... wowz!
10.32.36 #       <phoe> set up by all of us who got kb'd from dal ;-)
10.33.02 #       <phoe> who's in the UK ?
10.33.40 #       <phoe> guess that's no-one huh :-}
10.33.52 #       <Dave_C> phoe: As long as we don't get asked on how to 'crack' or otherwise pirate commercial software, I won't have any problems
10.34.04 #       <Rocambole> Commish: :))  let's hope that this channel will be really crowded. Btw: special irc sessions will be set up adventually
10.34.19 #       <phoe> Dave_C: nope :-) that's me in the clear then ;-)
10.34.51 #       <Dave_C> I have been seen there m'self, but I'm a CNet Betatester and monitor for crack offers
10.36.08 #       <phoe> i'm after some info - is anyone disabled ?
10.36.17 #       <StG^sNTx> I'm off now friends. Take care you all, and I'll be back aroung midnight:)
10.36.19 #       <Commish> Rocambole: The email mentioned that....  Any ideas on topics?
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10.36.42 #       <StG^sNTx> Bye!
10.36.43 Quit    StG^sNTx (:| I'll be back! Visit http://home.sol.no/~stgenius/ Always updated with amiga news and usefull info!)
10.36.51 #       <Dave_C> phoe: If insomnia is a disability....
10.37.08 #       <phoe> Dave_C: that's caused by caffeine overload ;-)
10.37.22 #       <Dave_C> not really... I've been insomniac for 20 years
10.37.32 #       <Dave_C> and I don't drink that much coffee.
10.37.35 #       <phoe> just curious... i'm trying to set up a webpage with little-known info on what's available for disabled people...
10.38.04 #       <phoe> most info is only passed by word of mouth, but I want to gather some of the more useful stuff together...
10.38.14 #       <Dave_C> There's a lot of info being massaged now and I['ll see if I can get some URL's for you.
10.38.14 #       <Rocambole> Commish: we are working on that
10.39.14 #       <phoe> Dave_C: i'm after info like, in the UK, there's a scheme called 'care and repair' to make adaptations for disabled people free of charge to make life easier
10.41.22 #       <phoe> it's not advertised in any way at all...
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11.47.08 #       <Dave_C> there
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11.47.17 #       <Joru> Dave_C: oki, ill try again
11.47.28 #       <Dave_C> well, it keeps someone from stealing your nick
11.47.37 #       <Arvid> oh
11.47.39 #       <Joru> Dave_C: perfect =)
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11.48.41 #       <Dayta> well I`m regged and all now
11.48.41 #       <Dayta> tnx :)
11.48.42 #       <Dave_C> If you have multiple ISP's, use the access add user@hostmask thing
11.49.31 #       <Rafling> Hum.. See ya guys around! Gotta go!
11.49.44 #       <Dave_C> see ya raf
11.50.03 #       <Rafling> Bye..
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11.50.21 #       <Dave_C> sooooo...
11.50.28 #       <Dave_C> does anyone new need bot access?
11.51.05 #       <Dayta> ok, I've got to go now
11.51.06 #       <Dayta> see ya
11.51.19 #       <Rocambole> Dayta: welcome back soon :)
11.51.19 #       <Joru> c u dayta
11.51.23 #       <Dayta> ok :)
11.51.23 #       <Dayta> see ya
11.51.28 #       <Rocambole> bye Dayta 
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11.56.02 #       <[X_MaN]> Bac for 29 seconds to say welcome to everyone BBS
11.56.28 #       <Rocambole> wb MacEm 
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11.57.25 #       <Dave_C> Hi Mac!
11.57.44 #       <MacEm> Cheers rocam. I was just talking to some Turkey called "Dr.Spooky" who was talking nonsense about device units. He said that the Unit in a mountlist does not relate to the SCSI ID. IE. setting the unit to 4 in a mountlist wont mean it checks ID 4 on the specific SCSI device ??
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11.58.05 #       <Dave_C> pbbbtttt!
11.58.13 #       <DrJekyl> lo :)
11.58.16 #       * Rocambole welcomes DrJekyl to #Team*AMiGA the now OFFICIAL Amiga Help Team Channel
11.58.19 #       <Joru> bullocs =)
11.58.27 >>>     "help pass" by Rocambole (DCC Chat)
11.58.29 #       <Dave_C> the only time it doesn;t is if you're using the TOOLTYPEs callback
11.58.37 #       <Arvid> Dave_C:   I suggest the spelling   pffffffffflllllt
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11.58.57 #       <Yoshi2> Hi!
11.59.00 #       <MacEm> Thats what I said, but the asshole (scuse) wouldn't have it, it kept on with his bull...
11.59.04 #       * Rocambole welcomes Yoshi2 to #Team*AMiGA the now OFFICIAL Amiga Help Team Channel
11.59.06 #       * Dave_C has had lots of oral surgery and well knows his phonetics...
11.59.12 #       <MacEm> Anyway, hello everyone...
11.59.14 #       <Arvid> heh
11.59.18 #       <Dave_C> those are the consanants I'm using
11.59.38 #       <Dave_C> fricatives are very hard w/o uppers
12.00.00 #       <Dave_C> f's beome p's and v's become b's
12.00.10 #       <Dave_C> oh, puck it
12.00.15 >>>     "setemail steipede@online.no" by Rocambole (DCC Chat)
12.00.28 #       <Dave_C> where did StebeK go?
12.00.32 #       <Dave_C> heheheh
12.00.34 #       <Dave_C>  see?
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12.02.49 #       <Yoshi2> At what time was the official opening?
12.02.53 #       <Ogge> re all
12.02.57 #       <Dave_C> 18:00
12.03.00 #       <MacEm> hey ogge
12.03.10 #       <Dave_C> I was a little late
12.03.13 #       <Yoshi2> Have to reboot
12.03.14 #       <Dave_C> overslept
12.03.15 #       <Joru> wb ogge
12.03.16 #       <Yoshi2> BRB
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12.03.50 #       <DrJekyl> Dave_C: 18:00 when ? BST, GMT or when ? :)
12.03.55 #       <Ogge> GMT
12.03.57 #       <Rocambole> I sent a message to Harv on ICQRocambole	21:00:11	you are welcome anytime :)
12.03.58 #       <Dave_C> GMT
12.04.09 #       * Joru is dying for a new modem!
12.04.21 #       <Arvid> Joru: how dead do you need to get?
12.04.22 #       <MacEm> <---Dying for a decent system...
12.04.27 #       <DrJekyl> Dave_C: what time do you have now ?
12.04.45 #       <Rocambole> DrJekyl: GMT 20.00
12.04.51 #       <Rocambole> here
12.05.03 #       <Dave_C> <nod>
12.05.08 #       <DrJekyl> Rocambole: 20.00 BST here in the UK :)
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12.05.13 #       <Yoshi2> re
12.05.13 #       <Dave_C> 2:00 CDT
12.05.21 #       * Dave_C is in Alabama
12.05.22 #       <Arvid> Rocombole: ah ... 19 UTC
12.05.24 #       <Yoshi2> 18:00 gmt?
12.05.34 #       <Dave_C> <nod>
12.05.44 #       <Yoshi2> how many hours ago?
12.05.47 #       <DrJekyl> it's not 19.00 GMT btw
12.05.49 #       * Rocambole is in Norway
12.05.58 #       <DrJekyl> not = now
12.06.20 #       <Yoshi2> OK.  So there are two hours between GMT and CET
12.06.21 #       <Arvid> DrJ: it is very close to 19:03 GMT as I write this
12.06.27 #       <Rocambole> DrJekyl: ahhh.....GMT hasn't summertime :))
12.06.33 #       * DrJekyl checks his watch :)
12.07.05 #       <DrJekyl> Rocambole: nope, and we don't have summer yet either :(
12.07.10 #       <Dave_C> it's about 14:04 here now
12.07.10 #       * Ogge is confused.. 
12.07.24 #       <DrJekyl> BST = GMT+1 = summertime in UK :)
12.07.28 #       <Dave_C> Hey, the Aussies are already to Saturday!
12.07.46 #       <Rocambole> timezones are fun :)
12.07.51 #       <DrJekyl> lol
12.07.59 #       <Dave_C> Thanks to LouisXIV
12.08.31 #       * MacEm is off for a bit...
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12.08.42 #       <Dave_C> sure you're not off all the time?
12.08.45 #       * Dave_C ducks
12.08.58 #       <Dave_C> I should be nice.
12.09.37 #       * Rocambole talked with Harv Laser on ICQ, He said: Harv	21:00:27	Will try to make it over there as time
12.09.58 #       * Dave_C is updating AMINET index from Paderborn on Darx.
12.10.00 #       <Rocambole> 		permits :)
12.10.16 #       <Joru> Arvid: waaaay dead hehe =)
12.10.30 #       <Joru> what else is fun? =)
12.10.53 #       <Arvid> Joru: as of about a month ago, I am using a 56K modem... for connects at actually 48000 bps
12.11.40 #       <Rocambole> Arvid: 48000? not 4800?
12.11.54 #       <Dave_C> 4136382 bytes in 94.92 seconds
12.11.58 #       <Yoshi2> Rocambole:  bps, not cps :)
12.12.01 #       <Dave_C> Love that T-1
12.12.01 #       <Arvid> Rocambole   48-thousand 
12.12.03 #       <Joru> Arvid: well I'm going to get one of those myself I guess... Darn lightning.. what do you think of the speed then?
12.12.21 #       * Rocambole is sorry for not reading well
12.12.31 #       <Arvid> Joru: I can get the text index from aminet most days at about 9100 bytes per second
12.12.41 #       * Ogge is waiting for ADSL.. he got the adsl modem but not the service yet :(( hehhehe it's so damn nice to work with the stuff before they r released (one "broken" modem followed me home in a bag) :))))
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12.13.08 #       <Joru> Arvid: kewl, just what I need, still I'm doing my military service and i guess ive got some time until I need to buy it
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12.13.21 #       <Rocambole> Hello Harv , and welcome
12.13.30 #       <Seed> Hi
12.13.35 #       <Arvid> Joru: I had to get a USR (3Com) as that is the type used by the ISP I have now
12.13.39 #       <Rocambole> hello Seed 
12.13.39 #       <Yoshi2> Arvid: I get my server logs at up to 9000cps too, on a 28k8
12.13.45 #       * Dave_C is within US cable length restriction limits for ISDN, but don't see the savings, going from unmetered to metered....
12.13.45 #       <Harv> uh.. nickserv is tellingme someone owns this name and it's gonna kick me :(
12.13.51 #       <Seed> Hi Arvid!
12.14.00 #       <Seed> Hello Rocambole
12.14.01 #       <Dave_C>  /msg nickserv ident password
12.14.17 #       <Yoshi2> Hi Seed, hi Harv :)
12.14.17 #       <Arvid> Yoshi: at a 28800 connect, I cannot get above 3300 bytes/sec
12.14.22 #       <Joru> Arvid: must check that out myself, guess it will be a USR one also
12.14.25 Nick    Harv is now known as HarvL (hrlaser@netcom9.netcom.com)
12.14.28 #       <Dave_C> Harv: someone else wons the nick
12.14.32 #       <Dave_C> there y'go
12.14.34 #       <HarvL> damn nickserv.. feh.
12.14.46 #       <Yoshi2> Arvid: Neither can I on archived files, but on text files I can now (couldn't on the A1200)
12.14.53 #       <Dave_C> some AOL lamer reg'ed the nick
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12.15.06 #       <Yoshi2> Arvid: Things improved with the A3000
12.15.07 >>>     "tellme" by HarvL (hrlaser@netcom9.netcom.com)
12.15.18 >>>     "tellme" by HarvL (hrlaser@netcom9.netcom.com)
12.15.24 >>>     "tellme" by HarvL (hrlaser@netcom9.netcom.com)
12.15.27 #       <Arvid> Yoshi: I get about 5000 bytes/sec on compressed files now
12.15.29 >>>     "tellme" by HarvL (hrlaser@netcom9.netcom.com)
12.15.34 >>>     "tellme" by HarvL (hrlaser@netcom9.netcom.com)
12.15.40 >>>     "tellme" by HarvL (hrlaser@netcom9.netcom.com)
12.16.08 #       <Yoshi2> Arvid: On those, I still get 3600cps at most.  I guess it's time for 56k, but my ISP charges more for that...
12.16.18 #       <Arvid> Yoshi: but I do have to use the 16550 buffered UART to make it work
12.16.23 #       <Dave_C> darx's aminet index is updated
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12.16.29 #       <Dave_C> Hiya Ben!
12.16.30 #       <Womble> Hi all
12.16.32 #       * Rocambole welcomes Womble to #Team*AMiGA the now OFFICIAL Amiga Help Team Channel
12.16.33 #       <Ogge> hi ben
12.16.35 #       <Yoshi2> Arvid: 16550 UART = PC?
12.17.00 #       <Seed> Anyone with a GVP ioExtender?
12.17.04 #       <Arvid> Yoshi: 16550 ISA card + GoldenGate II card in A3000
12.17.16 #       <Yoshi2> Arvid: OK :)
12.17.21 #       <Arvid> heh
12.17.30 #       * Womble knows nothing of decent serial ports
12.18.01 Mode    "#Team*AMiGA +o HarvL " by Dave_C (davecook@host239.internettport.net)
12.18.08 #       * Yoshi2 although thought all serial ports were the same, but was impressed with the performance increase from A1200 to A3000 (030->040, AGA->PicassoII)
12.18.11 #       <Arvid> <-- hopes for the TAPR ethernet/radio modem sometime next year
12.18.17 #       <Yoshi2> although =always
12.18.19 #       <Dave_C> Harv: you should now get ops, regardless of nick
12.18.20 #       <Womble> Oh, hi Harv!
12.18.44 #       * Rocambole is logging the channel
12.18.51 #       <Yoshi2> OK, looks like all the important people are here, where are the ones to ask for help? :))
12.19.06 #       <Womble> Yoshi: They are the same, but since the serial port is handled by the custom chips it gets faster if there's a graphics card taking awa load from them
12.19.08 #       <HarvL> hi
12.19.21 #       <Arvid> <-- don't ask me anything, by tomorrow morning, I will be needing help
12.19.25 #       * Joru could go for the new Ariadne board
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12.19.46 Mode    "#Team*AMiGA +o AmiOS " by Rocambole (Rocambole@ti10a34-0001.dialup.online.no)
12.19.46 Mode    "#Team*AMiGA -o AmiOS " by services.beyondirc.org ()
12.19.51 #       * Rocambole welcomes AmiOS to #Team*AMiGA the  OFFICIAL Amiga Help Team Channel
12.19.51 #       <Ogge> hi amios
12.19.55 #       <Yoshi2> Womble: Yep :)  But somehow I never knew that :)
12.19.58 #       <AmiOS> Hi   :))
12.20.05 #       <HarvL> yoshi2 - where has this been publicized? no one is going to show up here looking for help unless they know it exists. did you send it to kevin hisel?
12.20.37 #       <Yoshi2> HarvL: I posted it on ANN yesterday evening.  Since then, about 400-500 people must have read it
12.20.46 #       <HarvL> ANN is what
12.20.49 #       <Dave_C> Harv: Sent to Hisel, FIDONET AMIGA, C-Link! AMiGA_INFO, T*A mailing list, and a couple of newsgroups
12.20.58 #       <Yoshi2> HarvL: www.ann.lu
12.20.59 #       <HarvL> Hisel hasn't published it yet.
12.21.03 #       <Dave_C> AMiGA News Network
12.21.06 #       <Womble> I've seen it all over the place, but then I would do...
12.21.08 #       <Arvid> Harv: I read the announcement on Usenet
12.21.13 #       <Yoshi2> HarvL: Don't you know Amiga Network News? :)
12.21.18 #       <HarvL> uhh.. no.
12.21.23 #       <Seed> what's this www.ann.lu? I hear it sucks ;)
12.21.26 #       <HarvL> AWD is what I read first thing each day.
12.21.47 #       <Yoshi2> Seed: Yeah, the guy doing it never does its updates on time
12.21.50 #       <Womble> ANN is a summary of news from Amiga groups on Usenet
12.22.06 #       <Yoshi2> Seed: :)
12.22.08 #       <HarvL> hmm..
12.22.23 #       <[X_MaN]>  Hello Harv Welcome to the help team and congratulations
12.22.43 #       <Womble> Hi, Yoshi2, think you should have explained that to Harv ;-)
12.22.57 #       <Seed> Yoshi: and when he does, he needs others to spot mistakes in it :-)
12.23.00 #       <HarvL> I'm just here to see what this is about, x_man
12.23.08 #       <[X_MaN]> and hello to all my friends Ben Ogge Christian Amios...
12.23.12 #       <Yoshi2> HarvL: ANN's been there since Dec-96, and is the second-favourite page of (most) Amiga fanatics (at least according to the people who write mails to me) :)
12.23.21 Mode    "#Team*AMiGA +o AmiOS " by Rocambole (Rocambole@ti10a34-0001.dialup.online.no)
12.23.25 #       <Yoshi2> Womble: I can't type that fast :)
12.23.40 #       <Ogge> hey x... 
12.23.41 #       <Dave_C> I would've thought Harv would know about this thru ICOA
12.23.42 #       <[X_MaN]> Harv:Rocambole can fill you in my friend.  I am Mario Saitti of the JMS if ur curious
12.23.51 #       <HarvL> hmm.. I've never seen this www.ann.lu before just now. 
12.23.56 #       <[X_MaN]> I would haver too, I posted there a lot of times
12.23.58 #       <Seed> HarvL: don't listen to him.. he imagines this entire ANN thing. it doesn't really exist :)
12.24.14 #       <Yoshi2> HarvL: It was mentioned several times on AWD...  It used to be accessible via www2.vo.lu/homepages/ckemp/
12.24.56 #       <HarvL> Hmm.. ANN didn't publish my AmigaZone price slash press release. grrr..
12.24.56 #       * Yoshi2 realises that his PR work has not been that great :)
12.25.05 #       <Yoshi2> HarvL: Sorry :)
12.25.56 #       <Yoshi2> HarvL: But I did publish your "happy new years" message on 01-Jan-97 :)
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12.26.30 #       * Rocambole welcomes Braindrop to #Team*AMiGA the  OFFICIAL Amiga Help Team Channel
12.26.31 #       <Seed> Yoshi2: stop school altogether.. dedicate yourself to PR and only PR :)
12.27.05 #       <Yoshi2> Seed: I guess that wouldn't be very viable :)  I couldn't live off PR work for ANN :)
12.27.56 #       <Yoshi2> Hi [X_MaN], BTW :)
12.28.21 #       <Dave_C> Yoshi:find new clickthrus?
12.28.24 #       <Dave_C> buahahahaha
12.28.26 #       * Dave_C ducks
12.28.53 #       <Yoshi2> Dave_C: Not yet.  Did you get AWeb to get your site up and running? :)
12.29.01 #       <Dave_C> not... 
12.29.03 #       <Dave_C> not yet.
12.29.18 #       <Dave_C> got one page full, I'll do a couple of others for them
12.29.23 #       <HarvL> yoshi2.. well for that I'll pin a petal on your citizenship daisy
12.29.56 #>>     "useradd HarvL 50" by Dave_C (davecook@host239.internettport.net)
12.30.00 >>>     'pass' used by Dave_C (davecook@host239.internettport.net) [snoop prevented]
12.30.02 #>>     "useradd HarvL 50" by Dave_C (davecook@host239.internettport.net)
12.30.03 #       <Yoshi2> HarvL: Don't understand.  What's a "petal", what's a "citizenship daisy"?
12.30.07 #       <Dave_C> opps
12.30.13 #       * Joru needs a drink
12.30.15 #>>     "usermodd HarvL 50" by Dave_C (davecook@host239.internettport.net)
12.30.19 #>>     "usermod HarvL 50" by Dave_C (davecook@host239.internettport.net)
12.30.34 #       <Arvid> Joru: avoid drink get a new modem
12.31.19 DBUG    Enqueued KICK [X_MaN]
12.31.19 #       <[X_MaN]> I SWEAR U ARE ALL BANNED!
12.31.29 Part    AmiOS
12.31.32 #       <Arvid> Banned on the Run
12.31.35 #       <Joru> Arvid: =) naw, I'll go for both, but not until the 20th next month, got less than $20 to live on 
12.31.37 #       <Yoshi2> [X_MaN]: Huh?
12.31.38 #       <[X_MaN]> Jesus christ all I do is joke that the help team are all perverts
12.31.45 #       <Arvid> Joru: oh
12.31.46 #       <[X_MaN]> but ur conversation earlier with Dave Chris
12.31.58 #       <[X_MaN]> I just caufght that and the click throughs;)
12.32.16 #       <Yoshi2> We were talking about running Microsoft banners on our pages
12.32.17 #       <Dave_C> hehehe
12.32.21 #       <Yoshi2> to undermine the Amiga community
12.32.24 #       <Yoshi2> :)
12.32.25 #       <Dave_C> A little slow today, huh Mario?
12.32.26 #       <Rocambole> [X_MaN]: hmmm....are you drunk? ;)))))))))))))))
12.32.27 #       <[X_MaN]> Yoshi:yeah I know you were;)
12.32.33 #       <[X_MaN]> Dave:no working dude
12.32.42 #       <Dave_C> hehehe
12.32.55 #       <Seed> Yoshi2: M$? I'll stop running the mirror, then :)
12.33.07 #       <Dave_C> hey, 7¢ a click adds up
12.33.11 #       <[X_MaN]> Roc:nah trying hard, I swear these norwegians are trying to make me into an alcholic and I have a concert tomorow afternoon:(
12.33.20 #       <Yoshi2> Seed: Actually, one or two complained because there appeared Hotmail banners (now owned by MS)
12.33.35 #       <[X_MaN]> Guys soes anyone need help yet?
12.33.39 #       <Arvid> HarvL: on NPR .. a few days ago ... a short item that the net worth of Bill Gates is greater than the net worth of the 40-per cent poorest people in the USA .. a total of about 100-million people
12.33.41 #       <[X_MaN]> Guys does anyone need help yet?
12.33.43 #       <Rocambole> [X_MaN]: hehe....I thought you had learned how to handle them ;)
12.33.56 #       <[X_MaN]> Roc:not yet, they drink like fish
12.34.13 #       <Rocambole> :)
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12.34.36 #       * Joru has two needs, the girl of his life + a drink = happiness
12.34.42 #       <[X_MaN]> Roc:So is there a Dev Con here Sunday?
12.34.59 #       <Arvid> <-- will need help at about 11:00 AM CDT Saturday (16 UTC)
12.35.02 #       <[X_MaN]> Did u guys clear that up yet?  if not I will mail fleecy on this later
12.35.08 #       <Dave_C> If so, it needs to be announced better!
12.35.10 #       <[X_MaN]> bbs
12.35.20 #       <Yoshi2> Arvid: What help?
12.35.27 #       <Dave_C> Arvid: I'll try...
12.35.30 #       <Rocambole> [X_MaN]: next sunday would be better
12.35.33 #       <[X_MaN]> Dave:will do dude, we have to use the ANF more and get a little faster at announcements
12.36.00 #       <Arvid> Yoshi: I will then be at a fellow's house, and we shall then be trying to get a large HD working on his A3000
12.36.02 #       * Dave_C needs to get on the ICOA mailing list...
12.36.09 #       <Dave_C> but has so little reading time
12.36.11 #       <Yoshi2> [X_MaN]: You can't complain about ANN though : the announcement was up 5 min after Roc asked me to do it :)
12.36.18 #       <Yoshi2> Arvid: >4GB?
12.36.28 #       <Dave_C> Arvid: I'm in your timezone, if you're CDT
12.36.35 #       <Arvid> Yoshi: fortunately not that big .. just 2.2 gigabytes
12.36.52 #       * Dave_C has a 2.2 on his 2K
12.36.54 #       <Arvid> Dave_C .. I am about 250 miles from Mountain Time
12.37.06 #       <Yoshi2> Arvid: That shouldn't be a problem, but you'll need to create at least 2 partitions (none >2GIG)
12.37.09 #       <Dave_C> Alabama here...
12.37.32 #       <Arvid> Yoshi: that is what we plan to do .. about 500 meg for his Mac emulation and the rest for the Amiga
12.37.35 #       <Dave_C> you might could check with Cryto on the #CNet channel if he's around. 
12.37.38 #       <Dave_C> he has a 3K
12.38.00 #       <Womble> Yoshi: Partitions up to 4 GB are OK with the FFS version 40 and up (OS 3.1)
12.38.02 #       <Yoshi2> Does anyone know how to turn off the "automatic cache saving" that happens every 1 min or so in IBrowse 1.22?
12.38.19 #       <Dave_C> not me
12.38.20 #       <HarvL> you can't turn it off. 
12.38.26 #       <HarvL> it's a "feature." :D
12.38.31 #       <Yoshi2> Womble: Really?  I thought partition limit was 2 GB and HD limit was 4 GB without adding a new FFS
12.38.38 #       <Braindrop> Yoshi2: Tun off IBrowse  ;^)
12.38.51 #       * Dave_C uses the latest FFS
12.39.05 #       <Yoshi2> HarvL: That feature sure looks like somebody from Microsoft put it in...  I hate when I click on a button and IB doesn't react
12.39.16 #       <Dave_C> anyone besides me use a CSA Magnum/o4o?
12.39.26 #       <HarvL> complain to stefan burstr0em about it. it drives me nuts too.
12.39.30 #       <Yoshi2> Dave_C: Nope, WarpEngine 040/40
12.39.44 #       <Yoshi2> HarvL: I may do that
12.39.49 #       <Womble> Yoshi: FIle limit is 2 GB (always), partition limit is 2 GB with FFS up to version 39 and 4 GB from version 40
12.39.54 #       <kolla> yoshi2: indeed, came with 1.22 right?
12.39.59 #       <Dave_C> I'm down to one drive w/ the CSA SCSI driver installed and my install floppy is horked.
12.40.06 #       <Yoshi2> kolla: Yep, it's a "new feature" :-/
12.40.19 #       <Womble> Yoshi: Partitions beyond 4 GB need version 43 and either a new driver or NSDPatch
12.40.29 #       <kolla> yoshi2: what CPU?
12.40.32 #       <Dave_C> it's one of those drivers that partially installs in the RDB
12.40.38 #       <Yoshi2> Womble: OK, thanks for clearing up my.
12.40.59 #       <Yoshi2> kolla: 68040/40
12.40.59 #       <Rocambole> anything, but remember it
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12.41.08 #       <Dave_C> Hi Alan
12.41.16 #       <Seed> Hi alanwall
12.41.17 #       <Yoshi2> Womble: ignore the "my" at the end of the last sentence :)
12.41.21 #       * Rocambole welcomes alanwall to #Team*AMiGA the  OFFICIAL Amiga Help Team Channel
12.41.23 #       <alanwall> Hi Dave_C:
12.41.24 #       <HarvL> it's alan and his wall.
12.41.24 #       <kolla> ok.. o6o here, must be something else... cgfx? 
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12.41.33 #       * HarvL spray paints gang slogans on alan's wall
12.41.54 #       <Yoshi2> kolla: I think it's a feature, not a bug
12.42.03 #       <alanwall> HarvL:send my mob friends after u
12.42.07 Mode    "#Team*AMiGA +o alanwall " by Dave_C (davecook@host239.internettport.net)
12.42.12 #       <kolla> yoshi: I have others report no problemos :P
12.42.47 #       <kolla> yoshi: you run MCP?
12.42.51 #       <Yoshi2> kolla: Yep
12.43.01 #       <alanwall> how long has this been running?
12.43.10 #       <Womble> Hi Alan
12.43.16 #       <Womble> Only a few hours
12.43.20 #       <Seed> BRB
12.43.21 #       <alanwall> Hi Womble:
12.43.23 Part    Seed
12.43.24 #       <kolla> yoshi: could be some option in MCP that kicks in
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12.43.48 #       <Dave_C> alan: we did a warmup yesterday w/ Steve Kruge from SAS here
12.43.58 #       <Yoshi2> kolla: Nope:      The Cache database and History database is saved every mintute
12.43.59 #       <Yoshi2>       now (if changed) To minimize database corruption, it is done
12.44.00 #       <Yoshi2>       when no subtasks are active.
12.44.01 #>>     'seen' used by Dave_C (davecook@host239.internettport.net) [snoop prevented]
12.44.34 #       <alanwall> Dave_C:so he's still working on sas ppc?
12.44.40 #       <Dave_C> he also logs in from work (sas.com)
12.44.42 #       <kolla> yoshi: is that what it is?
12.44.46 #       <Dave_C> <nod>
12.45.10 #       <Yoshi2> kolla: Yes, I suppose so.  While it's saving these files, it doesn't react on user input
12.45.18 #       <alanwall> how many here have a ppc?
12.45.23 #       <kolla> yo!
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12.45.35 #       <Yoshi2> alanwall: I don't
12.45.37 #       <Dave_C> Hiya NF
12.45.41 #       <alanwall> kolla:u have?
12.45.41 #       * Rocambole welcomes NiteFlite to #Team*AMiGA the  OFFICIAL Amiga Help Team Channel
12.45.46 #       <kolla> yes
12.45.47 #       * Dave_C is PPC free
12.45.48 #       <NiteFlite> hello
12.45.51 #>>     'seen' used by HarvL (hrlaser@netcom9.netcom.com) [snoop prevented]
12.45.54 #       <Seed> alanwall: I don't either :)
12.45.56 #       <HarvL> figures.
12.45.59 #       <Braindrop> I've got a question for anyone, What do you know about Cinemaware? I'm creating a web site and all info accepted
12.46.04 #       <Yoshi2> Hi NiteFlite 
12.46.09 #       <alanwall> kolla:any problems?
12.46.12 #       <HarvL> they're out of business for many years.
12.46.24 #       <Dave_C> many years!
12.46.32 #       <Seed> Braindrop: you mean the company who had games in the late eighties?
12.46.48 #       <Dave_C> It Came From Outer Space
12.46.53 #       <Braindrop> Yup, the last copyright I've foud is 1992
12.47.02 #       <kolla> problems?
12.47.06 #       <Dave_C> game version of the late50's b-movie
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12.47.09 #       <Braindrop> It Came from the Dessert
12.47.17 #       * Rocambole welcomes Alfresco to #Team*AMiGA the  OFFICIAL Amiga Help Team Channel
12.47.28 #       <kolla> with the cs-ppc? no, not really.. only software probs from time to time, but nothing relative to the harware
12.47.29 #       <alanwall> kolla:yes problems with the ppc?
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12.47.41 #       <Braindrop> Does anyone know who owns the copyrights now? Or did they just evaporate
12.47.46 #       <Yoshi2> Hey, it's beginning to get crowded in here :)
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12.48.03 #       <Ogge> a copyright is valid for 50 years right?
12.48.05 #       <Womble> Probably bought up by a big games company
12.48.09 #       <Seed> Yoshi2: they are all my alter egos..  not real Amiga users :)
12.48.12 #       <Agima> 'lo all
12.48.20 #       <Womble> 50 years after death... and corporations don't die, Ogge
12.48.25 #       <Braindrop> 'lo Agima
12.48.37 #       <Yoshi2> Seed: Yeah, you're running 19 copies of AmIRC... only Amiga makes it possible :)
12.48.38 #       <alanwall> Yoshi2:it's suppose to with an on line help channel
12.48.41 #       <Womble> Ogge: 
12.49.15 #       <Braindrop> From what I've gathered, Cinemaware "disbanded" and Corp ceased to exist
12.49.22 #       <Womble> Ogge: If the corporation gets bought then the copyrights pass on to the buyer (which is why  Gateway/AI owns all the Amiga copyrights now)
12.49.24 #       <Seed> Yoshi: I've got the memory to do it, though..  you know, the Warp likes memory :)
12.49.25 #       <Yoshi2> alanwall: yep :)
12.49.40 #       <Womble> Braindrop: How would that happen?
12.49.42 #       <Ogge> woomble, true.. didn't think of that ;)
12.49.53 #       <Yoshi2> Seed: It's a shame that it only has 2 SIMM slots...
12.50.20 #       <Seed> Yoshi2: mine has 4 slots ;)
12.50.21 #       <alanwall> Jamessc:have u tried virc?
12.50.46 #       <Yoshi2> Seed: You're on an A4000?
12.51.18 #       <Seed> Yoshi2: but then again, my A4000 inside is like the movie "Backdraft".. watched it? :)
12.51.20 #       <Braindrop> Wombie: I don't know. I've read a couple of interviews by some former employees and the both said it "disbanded"
12.51.46 #       <Yoshi2> Seed: I didn't see it, but I can imagine :)
12.51.52 #       <Arvid> Seed: on fire?
12.52.30 #       <Alfresco> Hi all!  Is there any further news on whether exec will be core of new OS?
12.52.31 #       <Seed> Yoshi2: it's horrible, I tell you.. I had to put a Pentium fan on top of the S3 Trio chip, so the CyberCision card doesn't go on fire :)
12.53.06 #       <Seed> Arvid: it's the worst computer case ever designed.. Ask Dave H about it.. he mentioned something about Commodore being cheap :)
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12.53.10 #       <Yoshi2> Seed: I've got 4 fans in this A3000+miditower
12.53.11 #       <DrJekyl> hi Agima :)
12.53.11 #       <Braindrop> Alfresco: "Exec-like"
12.53.26 #       <Agima> Jekyl : What took you so long? :)
12.53.38 #       <Seed> Alfresco: actually, Windows CE is the official next AmigaOS :)
12.54.03 DBUG    Enqueued KICK ExiE
12.54.03 #       <ExiE> On WHICH TIME/DATE THIS CHANNEL STARTED ?
12.54.03 #       <Arvid> Seed: ah .. I have only three fans in this A3000 desktop
12.54.05 #       <alanwall> not true!
12.54.23 #       <DrJekyl> Agima: didn't see you there :)
12.54.30 #       <Alfresco> Braindrop: I read on www.ann.lu that there was an announcement that it would be a re-worked exec...ie a new exec based on the old.  So BeOS etc...are out?
12.54.33 #       <Agima> I figured that :)
12.54.44 #       <DrJekyl> Agima: :)
12.55.00 #       <alanwall> Seed:I have none and in California with 3000/604e/cybervision
12.55.04 #       <Seed> I have more fans than I want to have :)
12.55.07 #       <Yoshi2> ExiE: Are you the one with the website that looks a bit like ANN?
12.55.24 #       <ExiE> yep
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12.55.58 #       <Seed> alanwall: Apparently it's hotter in Israel than it is is California :) But it's probably because I have all Zorro slots full
12.56.02 #       <Amigaman> hi all
12.56.14 #       <Seed> Hi Amigaman! what's up?
12.56.20 #       <Womble> Seed: You have a fan on your graphics chip? I have the same chip in my PC and no problems with heat there. It is quite warm in the case, but not hot.
12.56.46 #       <Braindrop> It's important to keep your fan healthy. My PC Cyrix died after it's fan failed. Started getting strange random errors, then divide by zero errors. I swapped out the memory, the HD, the CD-ROM, and about to switch the Power Supply when I saw the fan wasn't working. It was hot enough to fry an egg.
12.56.50 #       <Yoshi2> Alfresco: Don't know for sure.  There are pro-Exec rumours *and* pro-Be rumours
12.56.54 #       <NiteFlite> Anyone here use Fusion with an Oktagon SCSI card?
12.57.20 #       <Seed> Womble: the GVP ioExtender and that Emplant card I have generate heat.. plus the Cybervision just gets hot here.. it's a small room
12.57.29 #       <ExiE> thanx for answer
12.57.47 #       <alanwall> Seed:yea I hear it can get hot there and I only have 2 slots full at present/rest when I get it running better-then add the toccatta/multi-face/2065
12.57.53 #       <Yoshi2> ExiE: I like the concept of the page :)
12.58.00 #       <Womble> Seed: Maybe you need a good fan on the ceiling ;-)
12.58.15 #       <Seed> NiteFlite: I use Fusion.. not with an Oktagon. I can tell you where to find the FAQ about these things
12.58.18 #       <Yoshi2> ExiE: The channel started about two hours ago
12.58.23 #       <Alfresco> Yoshi2: Thanks.  Erm, anyone here switching on their Amigas less and less these days?  In preference to other platforms, that is.
12.58.26 #       <Seed> womble: I need a fan in my brain :)
12.58.40 #       <ExiE> i need the official time ? :)) for news :)
12.58.51 #       <Yoshi2> Alfresco: No.  I'm using Amigas exclusively, and don't miss much ATM.
12.58.51 #       <Seed> alanwall: where in California?
12.58.57 #       <Yoshi2> ExiE: 18:00 GMT
12.59.26 #       <ExiE> GMT is ?
12.59.29 #       <Alfresco> ExiE: Check www.ann.lu.  It states that this channel opened on 31/7/98...don't know 'bout time though
12.59.46 #       <DrJekyl> ExiE GMT is BST-1 ;)
12.59.52 #       <NiteFlite> Well, Fusion can "detect" my zip drive connected to my Amiga via the Oktagon scsi card, sigh.
13.00.03 #       <alanwall> Seed:hour north of San Fran and 1 hour south of Carl Sassenrath
13.00.06 #       <NiteFlite> I hear AlfaData stuff are hacks though.
13.00.12 #       <Yoshi2> ExiE: GMT = CET-2 ATM
13.00.20 Ctcp    Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
13.00.20 #       * Yoshi2 figures he used too many acronyms
13.00.26 #       <ExiE> so better say 16:00 CET
13.00.35 #       <Yoshi2> ExiE: No, 20:00 CET
13.00.50 #       <Amigaman> alanwall: sounds like good wine country..
13.01.04 #       <ExiE> ohh right :)
13.01.08 #       <Seed> alanwall: I didn't know Carl has a city named after him :) but he deserves it, I guess :)
13.01.42 #       <ExiE> Yoshi2: are u sure ? u was there in this time ?
13.01.53 #       <alanwall> Amigaman:and beer 2, the beer that AI got for the party at AmiWest was so bad there was some left 2 days later
13.02.03 #       <Alfresco> could I get a rough idea about Amiga stability?  My '030 A1200 just crashes too much :(  ie. How many times an hour/day do you re-boot.  Anyone got a truly stable setup?
13.02.11 #       <[X_MaN]> right FIRSSTLY LET ME POINT OUT!
13.02.17 #       <Yoshi2> ExiE: I'm here snce 21:00 CET, but I know that it officially started at 20:00
13.02.20 #       <[X_MaN]> Whoever lamer says the UGN doesnt know
13.02.35 #       <[X_MaN]> I reqquested assistance from what was to become the UGN 10 months ago...
13.02.39 #       <Yoshi2> Alfresco: My A3000 is much more stable than my A1200 ever was
13.02.41 #       <[X_MaN]> SO ...
13.02.55 #       <Amigaman> alanwall: Maybe the beer was from Idaho... :-)
13.02.56 #       <Ogge> alfresco, i have a '030 1200 too and the only crashes i have is with unstable programs.. otherwise it's stable
13.03.36 #       <Alfresco> Yoshi2: Do u recommend A1200 > A3000 (plus expansions) as an interim upgrade path.  Or should I go 4000
13.03.39 #       <[X_MaN]> and MR fabian Jimenex GO READ UR EMAIL and u will see a mail from me requesting permisssion to use Ur pages FAQ`s!
13.03.41 #       <ExiE> Is there somebody who can confirm start of this channel at 20:00 CET ? :)
13.03.42 #       <Seed> My A1200 never crashes.. it sits in the box that the scanner came in :)
13.03.45 #       <Yoshi2> Alfresco: On the A1200, I rarely stayed online for >30min, on the A3000 I often switch it on in the morning and switch it off in the evening
13.03.50 #       <Arvid> Alfresco: I seem to reboot this A3000 about once every six days
13.04.04 #       <Rocambole> ExiE: I can ;)
13.04.05 #       <[X_MaN]> Niteflite About 6 months ago this was
13.04.06 #       <alanwall> Amigaman:no it was valley beer,I come from the town that had the first brew pub since prohibition in Cal
13.04.11 #       <Yoshi2> Alfresco: I'm entirely satisfied with the A3000.  040/PicassoII
13.04.27 #       <alanwall> 3000 RULE!
13.04.48 #       <Alfresco> Do you think my crasing probs are due to a very early GVP ROM on the acclerator...something like Jawsv1.0 on my A1230+ card???
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13.05.27 #       <Seed> Hi Christian
13.05.32 #       <Braindrop> Alfresco: My 3000 I kept on 24/7 and had to reboot, maybe once a week
13.05.33 #       <Dozer> Seed: hello there
13.05.36 #       <Yoshi2> Alfresco: I had some problems with my DKB...  the first firmware wouldn't allow warmboots and the second would make the Amiga crash quite often
13.05.41 #       <Ogge> alfresco, tried with another 1230+ card?
13.06.06 #       <Alfresco> I've had Amiga's for 8 years...but never a 3000.  was surprised to hear that the 3000 has some sort of DSP chip, or am I wrong?
13.06.24 #       <Seed> Alfresco: it doesn't have one
13.06.29 #       <Yoshi2> Alfresco: No, the A3000+ was supposed to have one, but there were only a few prototypes
13.06.37 #       <alanwall> X-ManN:found out why my Amiga sent down on Saturday at AmiWest-the cleaning staff unplugged while Casey was running the web cam rexx script
13.06.41 #       <Dozer> Alfresco: The A3000+ had one.. but was only produced in an amount of 7-8 machines
13.07.22 #       <Dozer> The specs on the A3000+ were kinda cool by the way... ;)
13.07.23 #       <[X_MaN]> Alan:oh shame:(
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13.08.07 #       <UgolONE> hello!
13.08.15 #       <Seed> Hi UgolONE
13.08.19 Quit    ExiE (:Client exiting)
13.08.20 #       <UgolONE> seed
13.08.26 #       <Ogge> hi UgolONE
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13.09.05 #       <UgolONE> may I ask also hw-related questions?
13.09.14 #       <Ogge> yep.. 
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13.09.22 #       <Seed> I need to go.. see you all
13.09.32 #       <Alfresco> Ogge: Nope, card is 5 years old.  Anyone know an ex-GVP techo who could tell me if there's a later ROM avail for this card?
13.09.33 #       <Braindrop> well, talk atcha later. By X-Man, see you on Moo Bunny
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13.09.47 #       <UgolONE> anyone (else) using a micronik video-slot adapter + phase5 scandoubler?
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13.10.22 #       <Ogge> alfresco, hmm.. haven't gvp got a homepage where u can find an email address.. 
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13.10.41 #       <Christian> hm... my miggy crashed... ;(
13.11.00 #       <Yoshi2> modem hangup :(
13.11.26 #       * Yoshi2 wonders why so many Be websites have their own URL, but only very few Amiga websites?
13.11.31 #       <Alfresco> Christian: We were just talking about how frequently our Amigas crash....how 'bout yours?
13.11.33 #       <Yoshi2> URL = domain
13.11.41 #       <HarvL> bbl
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13.11.51 #       <Arvid> Yoshi: available funds?
13.12.05 #       <Christian> Alfresco: when I'm on the internet.. from time to time... but apart from that.. almost never...
13.12.10 #       <Yoshi2> Arvid: I don't think Be webmasters are making a lot of money
13.12.19 #       <Womble> Be has loads of startup companies who are very hopeful
13.12.20 #       <Christian> Alfresco: never under Linux though.. ;) 
13.12.45 #       <Womble> Amiga has... mainly long-established companies, most of which are struggling
13.12.45 #       <Yoshi2> Womble: I'm talking about hobbyist websites (www.beoscentral.com, www.bedope.com, etc.)
13.13.00 #       <Womble> New Amiga companies will have a lot of trouble getting funding
13.13.03 #       <Rocambole> Alfresco: some programs don't fre memory in a proper way, that causes many crashes when corrupted freememory list is detected
13.13.13 #       <Arvid> Yoshi: but are they independently wealthy?
13.13.26 #       <Christian> ah... final episode of Seinfeld on Canal+ here in Norway.. ;) 
13.13.35 #       <Womble> Rocambole: Actually that's not the only problem. If you use memory after it has been freed, you wil screw up the memory list
13.13.41 Quit    Seed (:Ping timeout for Seed[p10.sharon2.actcom.co.il])
13.13.55 #       <alanwall> Christian:want to know how it end?
13.13.55 #       <Yoshi2> Arvid: Don't know.
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13.14.23 #       <Rocambole> Womble: I have started to flush memory after closing a program to prevent crashes
13.14.26 #       <Christian> alanwall: no.. ;) 
13.14.42 #       <Womble> Rocambole: I don't see how that will help
13.14.59 #       <alanwall> Christian:all I'll say is remember the first show!
13.15.09 #       <Yoshi2> Check out www.beoscentral.com and read the "Good for a laugh" section
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13.15.38 #       <Yoshi2> oops, just read that it's a fake :(
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13.15.53 #       <Rocambole> Womble: the flushing allways frees some memory and it prevents crashes on my miggy. Can't explain why though
13.16.39 #       <Alfresco> Rocambole: Have tried numerous utilities that manage mem lists...with sme success.  But even with minimal startup files, some process will sooner or later bring the machine down.  Are Amiga progs inherently unstable?  By this I mean will the same set of conditions always result in a crash (and exactly the same type of crash).  Take Magic Menu for eg.  Sometimes I can use it for hours.  but every now and then it'll freeze up the machine...Empirica
13.16.49 #       <alanwall> Roc:what do u think about memory protection on the new Amiga?
13.17.32 #       <Alfresco> ...exactly the set of conditions that must exist for MMenu to do this.  This is just one eg.  Many progs.  behave in a similar way on my A1200.  Just never know when it's going to go...
13.17.32 #       <Rocambole> alanwall: I say it is a must
13.18.05 #       <Ogge> alfresco, maybe you can find som info on the following URL on GVP products,    http://www.gvp-m.com/ 
13.18.51 #       <Rocambole> Alfresco: well, I agree with you that you never know when it's happening. Sometimes I get a flash of grey screen when I have to reboot, sometimes a blue screen
13.19.27 #       <Womble> Rocambole: The screen will flash with the colour of the last pixel displayed before Lisa got reset, I think.
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13.19.57 #       <Rocambole> wb ExiE 
13.20.00 #       <Ogge> wb ExiE
13.20.13 #       <ExiE> wb?
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13.20.26 #       <Joru> greets
13.20.28 #       <Ogge> wb = welcome back
13.20.31 #       <Ogge> wb joru
13.20.37 #       <[X_MaN]> heys Joru
13.20.38 #       <Rocambole> Womble: ok, I thouught the colour was a hint of what went wrong
13.20.46 #       <ExiE> ALL!
13.20.48 #       <Rocambole> wb Joru 
13.20.56 #       <Alfresco> Gotta go guys (part 4AM here...)  Thanx for advice, think I will just bite the bullet and get an A3000 soon!  
13.20.58 #       <alanwall> Womble:no each color means a different thing have the meanings some where
13.20.59 #       <Joru> thanx duds =)
13.21.16 #       <Rocambole> Alfresco: welcome back anytime :)
13.21.25 #       <Alfresco> PS. I am as stoned as HarvL was I thought
13.21.26 #       * Joru got himself some coke&chips rather than a drink..
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13.21.40 #       <Ogge> roc, well the colors is a hint at boot time.. not when pressing the CTRL-Amiga-Amiga...
13.21.51 #       <Rocambole> Ogge: ok :)
13.21.54 #       * Rocambole welcomes Griff to #Team*AMiGA the  OFFICIAL Amiga Help Team Channel
13.21.54 #       <Griff> The author of Web Constructor has entered
13.22.03 #       <Ogge> hi griff
13.22.14 #       <Griff> Hey Ogge
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13.23.27 #       <Rocambole> I read somewhere that ECEX was to busy to look at paula, so it didn't mind the memory
13.23.30 #       <Yoshi2> OK, so quite a few amiga "celebrities" are here, but what about "Joe User"?  Where are the thousands of Amigans? :)
13.24.22 #       <Griff> "Amiga celebrities?" where are they?
13.25.01 #       <Dave_C> Steve Kruge from SAS was here, but is gone for now.
13.25.04 #       <Joru> Yoshi2: =)
13.25.21 #       * Joru is _becoming_ a celebrity =)
13.25.28 #       <Dave_C> HarvL was here.
13.25.52 #       <Dave_C> Be careful, or I'll call Laura Rogers to come talk.
13.25.56 #       <Dave_C> ;^)
13.26.07 #       <Yoshi2> Joru: Why becoming?
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13.26.18 #       <Griff> I must be a celebrity, I have crashed a couple of my beta testers computers?
13.26.33 #       <Yoshi2> Dave_C: Was that the person who had long arguments with George Noel in the newsgroups?
13.26.35 #       <Ogge> *lol*
13.26.54 #       <Joru> Yoshi2: never published anything from myself, though next year things will happen (;
13.27.06 #       <Dave_C> Laura's the 'video professional' that had the shouting match with Mario
13.27.20 #       <Dave_C> in T8A mailing list
13.27.23 #       <Dave_C> ooops
13.27.26 #       <Yoshi2> Dave_C: Don't really remember, my memory's too weak
13.27.28 #       <Dave_C> T*A mailing list.
13.27.32 #       <Yoshi2> Dave_C: I don't read the TA ML
13.27.47 #       <Dave_C> I think that was before you got on the list.
13.27.51 #       <Dave_C> oh.. ok
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13.28.07 #       <Joru> hubba roccy =)
13.28.11 #       <Ogge> anyone in here still using AmiTCP (like me) ??
13.28.16 #       <Dave_C> She really does more film work (VLDPI)
13.28.29 #       <Yoshi2> Ogge: Nope, using (finally registered) Miami
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13.28.43 #       <Dave_C> roc: /msg nickserv ghost Rocamboile <password>
13.28.49 #       <Dave_C> ooop
13.28.55 #       <Dave_C> forget that 'i'
13.29.01 #       <Womble> Ogge: I am
13.29.17 #       <Womble> Ogge: AmiTCP demo at that, I'm being a cheap git
13.29.34 #       <Ogge> womble, hehe.. i hope u have closed the huge backdoor ;)
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13.29.40 #       <Dave_C> Womble: same here, and it's sitting idle except for the assigns...
13.29.41 #       <Womble> Ogge: finger?
13.29.41 ***     Server message 421: 'Darxide_TA @h :Unknown command'
13.29.41 ***     Server message 421: 'Darxide_TA @e@ti10a34-0001.dialup.online.no :Unknown command'
13.29.56 #       <Womble> Ogge: fingerd even?
13.30.07 #       <Ogge> yep
13.30.16 #       * Dave_C uses CNetFingerd
13.30.27 #       <Womble> Well my Amiga is behind a firewall anyway
13.30.28 #       <Dave_C> more appropriate
13.30.43 #       <Ogge> :)
13.31.03 #       <Ogge> i have had alot of funny days with that backdoor.. 
13.31.16 #       <Joru> argh!
13.31.26 #       <Dave_C> for those interested, there is a fully functional CNet/4 demo on aminet that is actually newer than the version I'm running
13.31.38 #       <Dave_C> 7 day timed key
13.31.52 #       <Dave_C> v4.59
13.31.54 #       <Womble> Ogge: What ever turned up about the allegation that Mat Bettinson had been going around exploiting it?
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13.32.37 #       <Ogge> womble, huh?
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13.33.44 #       <Womble> Ogge: That claim was doing the rounds on IRC shortly after this hole was discovered
13.34.01 #       <Womble> Ogge: Mat Bettinson used the nickname 'fingers'
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13.34.58 #       <Ogge> womble, well didn't know anything about that.. i was hacked myself thru that port and had to change passwords and alot of other stuff at my isp.. then i learned how to use that backdoor myself.. 
13.35.02 #       <Rocambole> hmm.......tsrange things are happening :))
13.35.09 #       <Rocambole> strange even
13.35.35 #       <Yoshi2> Rocambole: ?
13.36.51 #       <Rocambole> I lost connection with the seattle server, and when I reconnected to dlld, I couldn't come into channel, I saw what was happening here but couldn't see any users 
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13.37.13 #       <Yoshi2> Rocambole: Strange...
13.37.13 #       <Dave_C> Arvid: Cryto is on 
13.37.17 #       <Rocambole> is it a buf in amirc?
13.37.21 #       <Cryto> Greets
13.37.25 #       <Dave_C> Cry: Arvid is the one who mentioned it earlier.
13.37.25 >>>     "help" by Yoshi2 (ckemp@ppp22.vo.lu)
13.37.28 #       * Rocambole welcomes Cryto to #Team*AMiGA the  OFFICIAL Amiga Help Team Channel
13.37.31 >>>     "cmd" by Yoshi2 (ckemp@ppp22.vo.lu)
13.37.49 >>>     "help alias" by Yoshi2 (ckemp@ppp22.vo.lu)
13.37.52 #       <Dave_C> for those who don't know him, Cryto is one of our AMIGA IRCops
13.37.59 >>>     "help cmd" by Yoshi2 (ckemp@ppp22.vo.lu)
13.38.00 #       <Womble> Rocambole: The server was probably just slow giving you the name list
13.38.06 #       <Ogge> Hi Cryto
13.38.07 #       * Cryto waves :)
13.38.11 #       <Cryto> Hi everyone
13.38.16 >>>     "cmd" by Yoshi2 (ckemp@ppp22.vo.lu)
13.38.19 #       <Rocambole> Cryto: nice to have you here :)
13.38.24 #       <Dave_C> contact him, or WarNPeace if you have any serious problems (k-lines, etc)
13.38.47 >>>     "help tellme" by Yoshi2 (ckemp@ppp22.vo.lu)
13.38.55 >>>     "help show" by Yoshi2 (ckemp@ppp22.vo.lu)
13.39.03 >>>     "help seen" by Yoshi2 (ckemp@ppp22.vo.lu)
13.39.03 #       <Dave_C> MacEm is the mac emul volunteer.
13.39.17 >>>     "help calc" by Yoshi2 (ckemp@ppp22.vo.lu)
13.39.23 #       <Dave_C> Cryto can also talk about how to overhead a 3Kd
13.39.24 >>>     "help email" by Yoshi2 (ckemp@ppp22.vo.lu)
13.39.30 #       <Dave_C> over heat!
13.39.34 >>>     "help exchange" by Yoshi2 (ckemp@ppp22.vo.lu)
13.39.37 #       <Cryto> Hahaha
13.39.38 #       * Dave_C thwaps his fingers
13.39.48 #       <Dave_C> ouch
13.40.01 >>>     "help topic" by Yoshi2 (ckemp@ppp22.vo.lu)
13.40.06 #>>     "top idle" by Dave_C (davecook@host239.internettport.net)
13.40.08 >>>     "topic" by Yoshi2 (ckemp@ppp22.vo.lu)
13.40.22 >>>     "help top" by Yoshi2 (ckemp@ppp22.vo.lu)
13.40.25 #       <Cryto> Just drop an 040 board into an A3kd, and put an egg on the drive platform..  Add a side of bacon, and toast, and you get a wholesome breakfast.  Amiga REALLY can do it all..... :)
13.40.38 >>>     "top talk" by Yoshi2 (ckemp@ppp22.vo.lu)
13.40.40 #       <Dave_C> now here's a REAL winner....
13.40.42 #       <Dave_C> --> NickName (~Your@203.127.200.23) has joined this channel. 
13.40.42 #       <Rocambole> lol
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13.41.08 #       <Ogge> *lol*
13.41.22 >>>     "top country" by Yoshi2 (ckemp@ppp22.vo.lu)
13.41.22 #       <Rocambole> hehehehehe.....
13.41.25 #       <Dave_C> Cry: You coulda had an o6o!
13.41.41 #       <Cryto> Yeah well, I coulda had some soup too... :)
13.41.42 #       <Dave_C> and done the bacon alongside the egg.
13.41.46 #       <Yoshi2> Me is leaving for today...  See you later
13.41.52 #       <Womble> Some loser wants to moderate comp.sys.amiga.misc. Oh dear.
13.41.53 #       <Cryto> Bye Yoshi2 
13.41.55 #       <Dave_C> See ya late Chris!
13.41.57 #       <Womble> Bye Yoshi2 
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13.42.30 #       <Dave_C> cry: did you get the 4.59 off aminet?
13.42.59 #       <Cryto> Dave_C: Nope..  I didnt see it there yesturday..  (I hit paderborn for Aminet..  Its more stable.. :)
13.43.06 #       <Dave_C> same here
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13.43.54 #       <Christian> ah... after 12 hours of Seinfeld, I'm done.. ,) 
13.44.03 #       <Dave_C> hahaha
13.44.16 #       <Ogge> cnet4demo.lha      comm/bbs   1.4M  23 CNet/4 Professional BBS DEMO;
13.44.16 #       <Ogge> cnet4demo.lha      comm/cnet  1.2M  42 CNet/4 Professional BBS DEMO;
13.44.20 #       <Ogge> ;)
13.44.45 #       <Dave_C> I bet Ray has only been updating one of those...
13.44.52 #       <Dave_C> uploaded night before last.,
13.45.12 #       <Christian> oh... there is more... ,) great..
13.45.19 #       <Dave_C> it should be 1.6M
13.45.24 #       <Dave_C> or there abouts
13.46.01 #       <Ogge> christian, it's the 20 hour Seinfield marathon i bet ;)
13.46.31 #       <Ogge> dave, not sure on the archives.. can't see the date :( think i need to update the aminetsearch script
13.46.33 #       <Christian> Ogge: hehe... that's right. ;) on Canal+ ... I've been watching from the start... 
13.46.44 #       <Cryto> Dave_C: It still aint listed on Paderborn..
13.46.55 #       <Dave_C> I see that
13.46.59 #       <Ogge> christian, hehehe...
13.47.01 ***     Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
13.47.08 #       <Dave_C> wonder if Ray up'ed it there or wuarchive....
13.47.17 #       <DrJekyl> any of you lot running NCv2 yet ?
13.47.24 #       * Rocambole downloaded it from the sewdish mirror
13.47.39 #       <Dave_C> Roc: is it 4.59?
13.47.41 #       <Rocambole> swedeish even
13.47.44 #       <Rocambole> yes
13.47.45 Quit    Griff (:Switching server 'cos this one's shite!)
13.48.36 #       <DrJekyl> no answer ?
13.48.39 #       <DrJekyl> ok bye
13.48.42 Quit    DrJekyl (:later all)
13.49.06 #       <Dave_C> Roc: What's the .se mirror addy?
13.49.12 #       <Dave_C> se.aminet.org?
13.49.15 #       <Dave_C> or .net?
13.49.34 #       <Rocambole> hmmm.....I never remember the addy :(
13.49.34 #       <Ogge> ftp.sunet.se /pub6/amiga/aminet/comm/cnet 
13.49.38 #       <Dave_C> .net
13.49.41 #       <Rocambole> there it is :)
13.49.44 #       <Christian> Dave_C: ftp.luth.se
13.49.55 #       <Christian> ah... there too.. ,) 
13.50.41 #       <Dave_C> I don't see it updated in the recent...
13.51.16 #       <Christian> we also have a 30-day mirror in Bergen/norway... ftp.bitcon.no
13.51.24 #       <Rocambole> it's in the comm/bbs dir
13.51.53 #       <Rocambole> 1.6MB
13.51.58 #       <Dave_C> checking
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13.52.51 #       * Rocambole welcomes wurzel to #Team*AMiGA the  OFFICIAL Amiga Help Team Channel
13.53.09 #       <wurzel> Rocambole: Thank you, nice to be here :)
13.53.19 #       <Dave_C> Roc: That date looks old.
13.53.20 #       <Christian> can't find it on bitcon either.. ;(
13.53.32 #       <Rocambole> Dave_C: yes, it's 4.41
13.53.34 #       <wurzel> I am a member of Team *AMIGA* so I had to come ;-)
13.53.40 #       <Rocambole> I saw it now
13.54.53 #       <Rocambole> wurzel: glad you could make it :)
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13.55.06 #       <[Gemini]> Evening everybody
13.55.08 #       * Rocambole welcomes [Gemini] to #Team*AMiGA the  OFFICIAL Amiga Help Team Channel
13.55.09 #       <Ogge> hey gemini
13.55.10 #       <Dave_C> the newone is 4.59
13.55.11 #       <Cryto> HI [Gemini] 
13.55.20 #       <Dave_C> I'll find it and pass it around
13.55.24 #       <Christian> what's the BEST bbs-software for amiga? ;)  I know it's a tricky one... but I'm running a BBS on the ABBS system now.. and would like to know whether to update to 2.1 or another system... 
13.55.29 #       <Rocambole> Dave_C: thanx :)
13.55.51 #       <[Gemini]> anything excting happend 2day?
13.55.54 #       <Rocambole> Christian: CNet4.59 ;)
13.56.02 #       <Christian> Rocambole: why?
13.56.23 #       <Christian> Rocambole: does it support offliners (like thor) like ABBS does? ;)
13.56.48 #       <Rocambole> Christian: sorry, I havn't a clue :)
13.56.57 #       <Christian> Rocambole: ah.. ;) 
13.57.08 #       <Rocambole> Christian: but Dave_C can tell you
13.57.26 #       <Arvid> Dave_C: I just got back from another planet, what were you and Cryto talking about?
13.58.55 #       <Dave_C> You are going to be doing what tomorrow w/ the A3K and 2.2G HD?
13.59.30 #       <Dave_C> Christian: QWK for now. BW will be added soon.
13.59.33 #       <Arvid> Dave_C: oh .. yeah, I've been gathering some software which I hope will help
13.59.40 #       <wurzel> cahnging server: lag too great :(
13.59.43 #       <Dave_C> Cryto has a 3Kd
13.59.45 Quit    wurzel (:Bye all, gotta get some sleep ;-))
14.00.02 #       <Dave_C> and get MacEm too.. he's the SS/Fusion volunteer
14.00.10 #       <Christian> Dave_C: well... With Thor and ABBS, you can do just about everything.. that's the ONLY reason I'm keeping it for now...
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14.00.49 #       <Cryto> Sorry, was wathcing TV.. :)
14.01.16 #       <Arvid> <-- just a few minutes ago found out that Joanne Dow is an Amateur Radio operator
14.01.23 #       <Dave_C> Cnet has telnet/telnetd, smtp/smtpd, nntpget, irc, ftp, fido and more 
14.01.33 #       <Dave_C> http://www.cnetbbs.net
14.01.39 #       <Dave_C> oh, and we have a domain too.
14.01.41 #       <wurzel> Hi anyone. Anyone know a bit about AmIRC? I got a question.
14.01.42 #       <Dave_C> ;^)
14.01.56 #       <Christian> wurzel: and ze question iz? ;))
14.02.05 #       <Dave_C> wurzel: I know that mine will quit if I get /msg's while away...
14.02.11 #       <Christian> Dave_C: I like that.. ,) 
14.02.11 #       <Dave_C> ;^)
14.02.17 NHeal   (timeout) babylon.beyondirc.net seattle.beyondirc.net
14.02.32 #       <Dave_C> my macine is gmebbs.cnetbbs.net
14.02.35 #       <wurzel> Christian: Under the nems list, there is a narrow line. It keeps changing colour.
14.02.38 #       <Dave_C> 10 ports up telnet'able
14.02.55 #       <Dave_C> wurzel: That's the lag bar
14.02.57 #       <wurzel> Christian: Yellow, green & red. What does this mean?
14.03.06 #       <Christian> wurzel: yes... that's the "Lag-o-Meter" it shows how much time a ping to the server takes
14.03.15 #       <Dave_C> or is supposed to.
14.03.21 #       <Christian> wurzel: press it with the mouse
14.03.26 #       <wurzel> Dave_C: Aha, that makes sense, thanks ;)
14.04.00 #       <Dave_C> Got PING response from dlld.beyondirc.net: 0.30s
14.04.05 #       <Ogge> well i'm off.. cya everyone.. 
14.04.08 #       <wurzel> Dave_C: It's mostly red now :(((
14.04.10 Quit    Ogge (:Beam me up....)
14.04.11 #       <Christian> wurzel: if you press it, you'll get a new window up... 
14.04.14 #       <Dave_C> type /ping
14.04.27 #       <Christian> Got PING response from irc.snowhill.com: 0.44s
14.04.42 #       <Christian> but AMIRC shows 9.8 secs.. ;)
14.04.50 #       <Dave_C> sometime the lag-o-meter lags
14.05.08 #       <Dave_C> it's supposed to be fixed RSN
14.05.17 #       <Christian> Dave_C: I've also heard that it's kinda inaccurate... but that would change in V2.1
14.05.56 #       <wurzel> Dave_C: Aaah, seen that before but didn't know what it was!
14.06.31 #       <wurzel> Christian: Thanks to you too. BTW Lag is *Awful*. Last one 95 secs!!!
14.07.01 #       <Christian> wurzel: oh.... hell of a server... I'm on snowhill, and the lag is 1.5 secs
14.07.28 #       <wurzel> Christian: I'll try that one ...
14.07.30 #       <Dave_C> try dlld.beyondirc.net
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14.07.42 #       * Rocambole welcomes Thom to #Team*AMiGA the  OFFICIAL Amiga Help Team Channel
14.08.32 Quit    wurzel (:Bye all, gotta get some sleep ;-))
14.09.35 #       <Dave_C> anyone running AWS ever seen it log something like this out to the MIAMI log console?
14.09.43 #       <Dave_C> 31.07.98 07:36:03 (0bb22b00) 406 return for headers
14.09.44 #       <Dave_C> 31.07.98 07:36:03 (0bb22b00) User-Agent: IBrowse/1.22 (AmigaOS 3.0)
14.09.44 #       <Dave_C> 31.07.98 07:36:03 (0bb22b00) Referer: http://gmebbs.cnetbbs.net/clickthru.html
14.09.44 #       <Dave_C> 31.07.98 07:36:03 (0bb22b00) Accept-Language: *
14.09.44 #       <Dave_C> 31.07.98 07:36:03 (0bb22b00) Host: gmebbs.cnetbbs.net
14.09.46 #       <Dave_C> 31.07.98 07:36:03 (0bb22b00) Accept: text/html;level=3
14.09.48 #       <Dave_C> 31.07.98 07:36:03 (0bb22b00) Accept: text/html;version=3.0
14.09.50 #       <Dave_C> 31.07.98 07:36:03 (0bb22b00) Accept: n=3.0
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14.10.26 #       <Dave_C> this is the 1st time I've see this output.
14.10.46 #       <Dave_C> ouch 
14.10.50 #       <Dave_C> 5.34
14.10.50 #       <Rocambole> wurzel: 10.27s
14.11.07 Quit    Christian (:Ping timeout for Christian[mp-40-60.daxnet.no])
14.11.08 #       <Rocambole>  dlld.beyondirc.net: 0.54s
14.11.19 #       <wurzel> Rocambole: Yeah, but it comes & goes ...
14.11.45 #       <wurzel> BTW I'm in the UK.
14.11.56 #       * Rocambole is in Norway
14.13.07 #       <wurzel> Rocambole: I guessed somewhere around there from your e-mail ;-)
14.13.29 #       <wurzel> Rocambole: To Team *AMIGA* I should add.
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14.14.16 #       <Rocambole> «Lag» Warning: No response from Server for more than 40s! 
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14.15.37 #       <Rocambole> wb phoe 
14.16.04 #       <wurzel> Sorry guys, lags just too much :(((. ~Till next time, 'bye.
14.16.06 #       <phoe> hiya roc
14.16.13 Quit    wurzel (:Bye all, gotta get some sleep ;-))
14.18.13 #       <phoe> lag ?
14.18.17 #       <phoe> no talk ?
14.18.56 #       <Rocambole> it wnet a bit silent here :)
14.18.56 #       <Rocambole> went even
14.19.00 #       <Cryto> Watching TV. :)
14.19.07 #       <phoe> lamers ;-)
14.19.11 #       <Arvid> <-- doing laundry
14.19.29 #       <phoe> <- not wearing enough to warrant doing laundry !
14.19.40 #       <Arvid> heh
14.20.16 #       <Arvid> <-- gathering software for the project tomorrow
14.20.17 #       <[Gemini]> <--Browsing
14.21.05 #       <phoe> <- sniffing armpits... nope, don't need a shower for another month :-}
14.21.32 #       <Arvid> <-- my son just put pictures of his house on the web ... geez am in green, violet, orange, and pink with envy
14.21.52 #       <phoe> Arvid: what's the addy ?
14.22.00 #       <phoe> ... or just send me the pic...
14.22.16 #       <Arvid> phoe     http://www.best.com/~swdavis/house        a whole bunch of pcs
14.22.18 #       <Arvid> pics
14.22.50 Quit    Thom (:' bye)
14.22.55 #       <phoe> i'd send you mine, but you probably wouldn't be able to type for laughing :-)
14.23.44 #       <Arvid> Phoe: I live in a two room apartment
14.24.04 Quit    Womble (:Goodbye all)
14.24.33 #       <phoe> i'm in a 3 bedroom house...
14.25.36 #       <phoe> 2 pools ?????
14.26.00 #       <Arvid> phoe: two views of one pool
14.26.15 #       <Arvid> phoe: sort of a kidney shaped pool
14.26.16 #       <phoe> ahhhh
14.26.41 #       <phoe> if I disappear, it's due to low mem...
14.26.47 #       <phoe> v close to bombing atm
14.28.04 #       <phoe> Arvid: where is it ?
14.28.35 #       <Arvid> phoe ... Morgan Hill California   ... my son is a "Senior Systems Engineer"   at      altavista.digital.com
14.28.55 #       <phoe> Arvid: ooooh, very nice !!!
14.29.16 #       <Arvid> phoe  ... ah nudity
14.29.18 #       <phoe> Arvid: do they have any plans of working on the new amiga platform ?
14.29.23 #       <phoe> hehehehehehe
14.29.36 #       <phoe> sick sense of humour, sorry :-}
14.30.35 Client  Rocambole removed at socket 4
14.30.45 #       <Arvid> phoe: they run 24 DEC Turbo Lasers on line at all times with 3 hot units off line but ready .. each Laser has 16 Alpha CPUs at (I think) 300 Mhz ... they have six copies of the WWW and all of Usenet since 1995 stored on their hard drives
14.31.23 #       <phoe> Arvid: the ENTIRE www ???????
14.31.58 #       <Arvid> phoe: as of last month, every word on about 180-million web pages (six copies)
14.32.02 #       <phoe> holy sh!t !!!!!
14.32.21 #       <phoe> Arvid: what about a decent link to my lame-o-page :-}
14.32.24 #       <Arvid> phoe: but I have read the actual number of web pages is pushing past 250-million
14.32.51 #       <Arvid> phoe: if it is not already indexed, you can add a link from their menu yourself
14.32.53 #       <phoe> Arvid: do you know if they also re-scan pages for updated material at regular intervals ?
14.33.09 #       <phoe> Arvid: it's indexed, but been updated since...
14.33.23 #       <Arvid> phoe: the 'Scooter' robot is now taking about eight weeks to do all of WWW
14.33.30 #       <Arvid> and then it starts over
14.33.48 #       <phoe> ah well, it sounds like it's getting the updates automatically then =}
14.34.08 #       <Arvid> phoe  anyway it is supposed to get automatic updates
14.34.20 #       <phoe> hehehe
14.34.35 #       <phoe> can you add a request to rescan ?
14.34.49 #       <Arvid> phoe: the first program he wrote at altavista was to display the top 100 or so search terms asked for by users
14.35.02 #       <Arvid> phoe: yes, just use the menu item to add a page
14.35.08 #       <phoe> Arvid: hehehe hard coded with 'porn' 'sex' etc ? ;-)
14.35.28 #       <Arvid> phoe: the top three search terms are always ....... free  sex   nude
14.35.36 #       <phoe> Arvid: what does he code in ?
14.35.53 #       <Arvid> phoe: C/C++ for DEC/ Unix
14.36.03 #       <Arvid> phoe and some Perl
14.36.07 #       <phoe> hmm...
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14.36.23 #       <phoe> how the hell does it store that much data anyway ??????
14.36.30 #       <phoe> it must be one hell of a filesystem !!!
14.36.38 #       * Rocambole welcomes portnoy to #Team*AMiGA the  OFFICIAL Amiga Help Team Channel
14.36.47 #       <portnoy> 8^)
14.36.59 #       <portnoy> <----His birthday!
14.37.02 #       <Arvid> phoe: he says they are now getting about 700 hits per second during the business day
14.37.10 #       <[Gemini]> happy birthday portnoy 
14.37.14 #       <Rocambole> portnoy: happy birthday :)
14.37.32 #       <Arvid> phoe: he tells me that he has dinner with Larry Wall about once a month
14.37.42 #       <phoe> who's larry wall ?
14.37.51 #       <Cryto> Happy Birthday portnoy 
14.37.58 #       <Arvid> phoe: the fellow who invented perl
14.38.26 #       <portnoy> Cryto, Rocambole: Thanks!
14.38.43 #       <phoe> hmm....
14.38.58 #       <phoe> handy if he's stuck with a small coding prob then ;-)
14.39.35 #       <phoe> when you submit a page, does it check all local links to the page too ?
14.39.50 #       <Arvid> phoe: the other guys (all from Kansas State University) with whom he shares the house work at Hewlett-Packard and BBN (the company which designed Arpanet)
14.40.18 #       <phoe> hehehe he's in good company then ;-)
14.40.21 #       <Arvid> phoe: not right away .. Scooter will look at the links sometime in the next 48 hours or so
14.40.46 #       <phoe> Arvid: I wasn't sure if i'd have to send all 'local' links seperately...
14.40.59 #       <Arvid> phoe: nah, just the one URL for your own page
14.41.06 #       <phoe> kewl...
14.41.19 #       <phoe> is it only us talking here atm ????
14.41.24 #       <Arvid> phoe: unless you update a link and want it indexed immediately
14.41.25 #       <phoe> everyone else asleep ???
14.41.44 #       * [Gemini] is still browsing
14.41.46 #       <phoe> Arvid: hmm.. might be worth a try...
14.41.57 #       <[Gemini]> trying 2 find some prices 4 accelrator cards :-)
14.42.06 #       <Arvid> phoe: by the way .. my son is an Amiga owner too.. he has an A3000 .. now about eight years old
14.42.20 #       <Arvid> Gemini: PPC?
14.42.21 #       <Cryto> [Gemini]: For what kinda machine?
14.42.23 #       <phoe> Arvid: hehehe kewl... :-)
14.42.39 #       <Arvid> phoe: my A3000 is new .. just seven years old
14.42.45 #       <phoe> [Gemini]: I can't even find prices on the www for plain ol' 030's anymore !!!
14.42.50 #       * Cryto 's A3k is about 8 years old now... :)
14.43.04 #       <phoe> Arvid: mine's just a baby then - 6 years old (one of the first A1200's)
14.43.06 #       <Arvid> Cryto: ROM Tower model?
14.43.27 #       <Arvid> phoe buy my A500 will have its tenth birthday one month from today
14.43.29 #       <Cryto> Arvid: Nope.
14.43.54 #       <[Gemini]> phoe: well... there r 3 shops here in norway (that i know of) that still sells amiga stuf... and all of them r on the web :-)
14.44.02 #       <Cryto> Arvid: I got mine in Sept. 90, right after they came out..  Its an 8.9 rev MB.
14.44.22 #       <Arvid> Cryto: my son's A3000 has the ROM tower .. version 7 something I think.  Mine is a 9.03
14.44.34 #       <[Gemini]> i got a GVP1230 card i wont need when (and if) i get a new card 
14.45.21 #       <Cryto> Arvid: Cool..  The other A3k I have is a 9.somehting..  Cant remember exactly..
14.45.33 #       <phoe> does anyone else leave their machines on 24hrs a day ???  Mine's been on for about 5 years solid now (ok, so about 48 hours in total might have been switched off)
14.45.35 #       <Cryto> Speaking of A3k's, does ANYONE have any schematics for it?  (Desktop model)
14.45.59 #       <Arvid> phoe: I rarely shut mine off .. rc5des and such
14.46.11 #       <Arvid> Cryto: I have a tech manual for the A3000
14.46.14 #       <portnoy> <--Still using his rev 4.5 2000, bought new in spring '89
14.46.21 #       <phoe> Arvid: it impacts my lowly A1200 no accel too much !!!!
14.46.29 #       <[Gemini]> im 2 cheap, dont want 2 run up my electrisety bill :-)
14.46.45 #       <phoe> Arvid: I know it's only supposed to use free cycles, but it's not quite perfect...
14.46.58 #       <Arvid> Gemini: the air conditioner here eats a lot more power than does the A3000
14.47.05 #       <portnoy> Any "Boing" Mouse users here?
14.47.09 #       <phoe> Arvid: I run a bbs and it slows access etc...
14.47.10 #       <Cryto> Arvid: Ok..  Can you see if there is anything on the MB that will adjust the frequency of the 23 pin RGB video port?  A 1084 type monitor will NOT get any picture off that port, but the 1950 on the 23 pin port WILL get a picture...
14.47.28 #       <Arvid> Cryto: got to find the book .. hang on
14.47.30 #       <[Gemini]> Arvid: it was a joke :-)
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14.47.38 #       <Cryto> Arvid: Ok.
14.47.41 #       <Cryto> Harv!!!
14.47.59 #       <phoe> Arvid: hey !!!! idea !!!!  get your son to run the rc5 challenge on the DEC machines in the Amiga name ;-)
14.48.08 Nick    Harv is now known as HarvL (hrlaser@netcom9.netcom.com)
14.48.18 #       <HarvL> hi
14.48.27 #       <Cryto> So harv, whats new? :)
14.48.28 #       * phoe bows
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14.48.39 #       <HMetal> Boo!
14.48.39 #       <Rocambole> wb Harv :)
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14.48.41 #       <Cryto> Greets HMetal 
14.48.48 #       <HarvL> cryto - just re-hooked up my speakers since the amiwest show. shows ya how damn lazy I am. 
14.48.48 #       <Rocambole> hello HMetal 
14.48.50 #       <HMetal> Hey Cry..
14.48.56 #       <HMetal> Roc..
14.49.00 #       <Cryto> HarvL: Haha.  I know that feeling.. :)
14.49.25 #       <HarvL> damn rat's nest of cables behind the computer. argh. what a mess.
14.49.28 #       <HMetal> Converting CNet C code to C++ ..  having "fun" ..  and "fun" is now a 4-letter word. ;)
14.49.41 #       <HarvL> hmm.
14.49.43 Nick    HarvL is now known as Harv_ (hrlaser@netcom9.netcom.com)
14.49.58 #       <Cryto> HarvL: How many machines?  I have 4 in my room, so I can understand that..  Its like spaghetti land here.
14.50.07 #       <Harv_> cryto - 1200 in this room, 2500 in the other. 
14.50.12 #       <Cryto> HMetal: Whatcha doing that for?  Portability?
14.50.15 #       <Harv_> on and cdtv over on top of the tv furniture
14.50.18 #       <Rocambole> HMetal: hmmmmm....it was the 4.41 ver of CNet I downloaded last night :(
14.50.20 #       <Harv_> e/on/oh
14.50.40 #       <Cryto> Harv_: Not too bad..  2 A3k's here, 1 A2k, and an ibm 486..
14.51.29 #       <HMetal> Roc: I am just re-uploading to paderborn now..  I heard that wuarchive had another overflow.. :(
14.51.44 #       <Rocambole> HMetal: ok
14.52.10 #       <Cryto> HMetal: Heh.  Wonder how long wuarchive can go without having a problem...
14.52.10 #       <HMetal> Cry: Well, if the new Amigas (including Nov/'98 dev. system) have C++ compilers, that's why.. :)
14.52.16 #       <Harv_> they just fixed wuarchive a couple days ago
14.52.20 #       <Cryto> HMetal: Ah.. :)
14.52.31 #       <HMetal> I think we'll see some sort of C++ builders for the new systems..
14.52.45 #       <HMetal> eg. Borland or Microsoft Visual C++ type stuff..
14.53.02 #       <Arvid> <-- looks at the A3000 diagrams and wonders what J483 does
14.53.08 #       <phoe> note the quote tho' - no money to M$
14.53.53 #       <Cryto> 483?  Cant recall.
14.53.55 #       <HMetal> phoe: No matter..  There are better/more-productive people around.. :)
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14.54.05 #       <Dave_C> and the note on siamese that it's being ported to linux
14.54.08 #       <phoe> HMetal: you're telling me !!!
14.54.27 #       <HMetal> darn..  lurk..  Supper bell rings..
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14.55.36 #       <phoe> I borrowed a copy of Win'95 release B the other day from my m8 - it won't run for more than 3 minutes on my 486-66 without locking up - they screwed release B up apparently, but release A works perfectly
14.55.41 #       <Cryto> Arvid: All jumpers on both A3k's are set the same, other than the ones for the 040 board in this machine..  So I am thinking its gotta be something else..  Specially since I swapped all chips, and it still didnt work.  And the 1950 does get a signal from that port..
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14.56.37 #       <Arvid> Cryto: I don't see anything adjustable around the 23-way port .. only the little variable cap for the VGA sync and that should not affect anything but the 15-pin ..
14.56.39 #       <Cryto> wb [X_MaN] 
14.56.50 #       <Rocambole> wb [Gemini] 
14.57.16 #       <Arvid> Cryto :  J483 must have something to do with color phase, but I have not understood it yet
14.57.19 #       <Rocambole> wb [X_MaN] I mean
14.57.31 #       <Cryto> Arvid: That the VDE adjuster you are talking about?  Or those 2 screw things on the MB a ways back in it near Agnus?
14.57.46 #       <Arvid> Cryto: ah yes the VDE clock signal
14.57.52 #       <Cryto> Arvid: I think that one makes it 31 KHz only.  I cant remember.
14.58.06 #       <Arvid> CRyto: oh ... I think you must be right
14.58.51 #       <Cryto> Well, find out exactly what those 2 screw things do.  The one near the toggle is the VDE adjuster.  I think something is outputting a slightly higher signal, that the 1084's/1080's just cant touch, but the 1950 can.
14.59.18 #       <Arvid> yeah .. VC198 and VC479 I think it is
14.59.45 #       <Cryto> Cant remember that the #was, but..  What exactly do those two do?
14.59.46 #       <Arvid> or maybe VC190 and VC478 ... searching
15.00.08 #       <Cryto> Ok, those 4. :)
15.01.10 #       <phoe> Harv_: sorry for the ignorance, what's your involvement in the amiga scene ?  ie. what did you do before you were voted onto the ICOA panel ?
15.01.30 #       <Harv_> phoe - go to www.amigazone.com, click "about the staff" and read it there. takes too long to type :)
15.01.33 #       * phoe puts his foot in it again ;-)
15.01.40 #       <phoe> k m8
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15.02.54 #       <Arvid> Cryto: ok found VC190 .. it rubbers the 32768Khz crystal .. so you can set the clock to a precise frequency
15.03.24 #       <Cryto> Arvid: Hmm..  DOnt know if thats got anything to do with the video?
15.03.48 #       <Arvid> Cryto: it would, certainly, if the frequency were way way off
15.04.19 #       <phoe> hey Harv_ - it looks like everything you've written for closed down ;-)  don't do that to the Mig or we'll be after you !
15.04.32 #       <Harv_> the mig?  what are you, a russian pilot?
15.04.48 #       <Cryto> Arvid: Hmm..  Ok..  Just wish I had some tools to tell me where it was supposed to be set too, and what its currently at..  Cant afford an Ossiliscope. :(
15.05.17 #       <phoe> Harv_: worse - a scouser (Liverpool UK)
15.05.17 #       <Harv_> I am the flying dutchman of writers. I write for them, they go out of business.
15.05.26 #       <Harv_> if only I could make CU go out of business. 
15.05.30 #       <Arvid> Cryto: I have a good H-P scope, pay my air fare, provide my food, put shelter over my head and I'll be there in 24 hours
15.06.01 #       <Cryto> Arvid: Heh.  I am broke.. :)  Just send the scope via UPS. :)  Hehehe
15.06.08 #       <phoe> Harv_: pray tell, WHY ????
15.06.23 #       <Harv_> phoe - cuz of tony horgan. 
15.06.24 #       <Arvid> Cryto: riiiiiiiiiiiiight
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15.06.46 #       <phoe> Harv_: they're one of the very few left... no matter HOW bad, we need publicity...
15.07.08 #       <Harv_> phoe - I'd rather have one AmigaWorld then ten CUs
15.07.24 #       <phoe> Harv_: I don't think that's available in the UK though...
15.07.26 #       <Harv_> phoe I didn't say the magazine was bad, only Horgan.
15.07.46 #       <Arvid> Cryto: how about the tick jumper .. J350?
15.08.06 #       <Cryto> Arvid:  I think that was the same as on this one, and it works fine..
15.08.21 #       <Cryto> (Dunno where my notepad went with the jumpers I looked at.. :(
15.08.22 #       <Arvid> ok
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15.08.38 #       <Cryto> Here it is..  They are set on pins 1-2.
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15.08.47 #       <phoe> Harv_: any hints on what we can expect from the new machine ?
15.08.53 #       <Rocambole> wb ExiE 
15.08.54 #       <[X_MaN]> Oh no
15.09.02 #       <[X_MaN]> Is it a CU sucks discussion again?
15.09.16 #       <Harv_> phoe I don't know, and if I did, and I told you, then I'd have to shoot you.
15.09.27 #       <Harv_> xman - "again"? oh darn, did I miss some?
15.09.38 #       <ExiE> Rocombole!
15.09.57 #       <[X_MaN]> HArv:oh yeah, I regularly have to correct some CU errors or step on some CU toes:(
15.10.05 #       <Rocambole> [X_MaN]: I thought you was the one to start that discussion ;))))
15.10.10 #       <[X_MaN]> Harv:vrey unfortunate actually
15.10.11 #       <Arvid> Cryto: VC470 is some kind of adjuster for NE564 .. I don't know what it does, but it is in the video circuitry
15.10.23 #       <Arvid> Cryto: still looking for a definition
15.10.49 #       <Harv_> xman.. well if you ever meet horgan, do me a favor.. take him out in a dark alley and "correct" him. thanks.
15.10.49 #       <Cryto> Arvid: Ok
15.10.51 #       <Arvid> Cryto: VR470 is color phase adjust
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15.11.12 #       <Arvid> VR being a resistor of course . VC being a variable cap
15.11.16 #       <Cryto> Hmm, ok.  Its got color.  Just the freq is prolly a little up there.  I think... :)
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15.11.42 #       <phoe> Harv_: do you ever speak to Cade Hannan ?
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15.11.54 #       <phoe> speak of the devil !!!!!!!!!
15.11.56 #       <phoe> wow !!!!!!!
15.12.00 #       <Harv_> well well..
15.12.01 #       <Cade> phoe? 
15.12.04 #       <phoe> I couldn't do that again if I tried !!!!!!!
15.12.11 #       <Cade> phoe what you mean?
15.12.14 #       <Cade> hello all
15.12.16 #       <phoe> just before you came on...
15.12.17 #       <phoe> Harv_: do you ever speak to Cade Hannan ?
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15.12.23 #       <Cade> ha
15.12.24 #       <Harv_> phoe - see if you can conjure up ashley judd while you're at it
15.12.26 #       <Cade> that is funny
15.12.30 #       <phoe> I was going to ask him to say hello from me ;-)
15.12.35 #       <Cade> ha phoe
15.12.35 #       <[Gemini]> well.... i dident find what i was looing 4 :-(
15.12.47 #       <Arvid> Cryto: the two variable caps are on two sides of the Angus, so I think those are the ones you were talking about
15.12.52 #       <Cade> well i dont know, have you asked harv id he ever talks to me :-)
15.12.55 #       * Cade greets all
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15.12.59 #       <portnoy> Harv_: You plan to attend the Amiga show in Columbus Oh this year?
15.13.02 #       <[Gemini]> but f im gonna b able 2 get up 2 go 2 work 2 morrow i better get 2 bed right away
15.13.03 #       <Cade> hey harv, 
15.13.08 #       <Harv_> portnoy - if i can afford to go there.
15.13.14 #       <Harv_> portnoy - which looks unlikely.
15.13.17 #       <[Gemini]> cya all
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15.13.22 #       * Cade is hoping to get to get to ohio with the Amiga Atlanta group
15.13.23 #       <portnoy> Harv_: Bummer
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15.14.00 #       <Cade> brb
15.14.01 #       <portnoy> I'll be there, I hope to glom onto one of them new AriadneII cards
15.14.02 #       <Harv_> portnoy - contrary to public perception, I don't have any money. :(
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15.14.03 #       * phoe wants some gossip - Harv won't spill the beans ;-)
15.14.19 #       <Cryto> Harv_: I thought you were rich?? :)
15.14.22 #       <Harv_> I don't have any beans and if I did I'd probably eat them. 
15.14.24 #       <Harv_> see!?
15.14.31 #       <portnoy> Harv_: Today was my first day back to work from the GM strikes in Flint.
15.14.46 #       <Harv_> portnoy - "Roger and Me."
15.15.02 #       <portnoy> Harv_: Celebrated by buying myself a new mousepad
15.15.48 #       <Harv_> you mean that cheapshit GM doesn't give you a lifetime supply of mousepads?
15.16.17 #       <portnoy> Harv_: Well, before they locked us out they gave us each a Twinkie!
15.16.20 #       <phoe> Harv_: you think that's bad, gasoline is about $4.80 in the uk, and we don't get free local calls !!!!
15.16.22 #       <Harv_> oooh.
15.16.30 #       <Harv_> phoe - but you have a queen.
15.16.35 #       <phoe> $4.80 per gallon that is...
15.16.43 #       <phoe> Harv_: i'd rather have cheap gas !
15.17.02 #       <Harv_> where do you have to drive in the UK anyway? stay home and watch documentaries about cheese on tv.
15.17.07 #       <Cryto> phoe:  Really?  Damn...  It was $1.08 here in my area of the US about a day or so ago. :)
15.17.26 #       <portnoy> <---loves them cheese documentaries
15.17.35 #       <Arvid> Cryto: come to Kansas ... 97cents per gallon where I am
15.17.37 #       <phoe> Harv_: hehehe yeah, we also have to have a licence to watch a TV !!!!
15.17.37 #       <Dave_C> $.94 for cheap gas here in Alabama
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15.18.03 #       <phoe> Harv_: it's about $120 per year if you have a TV or video...
15.18.11 #       <StG^sNTx> Hello there:)
15.18.11 #       <portnoy> phoe: Is there a test involved in getting that tv watching licence?
15.18.28 #       <Arvid> phoe: but you have the BBC and we have the Fox network
15.18.28 #       <phoe> portnoy: no, but I think i'd pass ;-)
15.18.44 #       <Cryto> Arvid: Heh.  Was that low here not too long ago..  Dunno what it is now, Havent driven in a few days. :)
15.18.46 #       <phoe> Arvid: we get fox if we pay for satellite TV...
15.18.55 #       <Arvid> phoe lucky you
15.19.04 #       <Harv_> brb.. the bottomless cup of ice cold drink is mysteriously empty again..
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15.19.25 #       <Arvid> Cryto: where are you?
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15.20.34 #       <StG^sNTx> wb roc
15.20.41 #       <Rocambole> thnx
15.20.59 #       <Arvid> <-- takes his medicine
15.21.22 #       <Dave_C> Cryto is in Pueblo CO.
15.21.41 #       <Arvid> Dave_C: wow .. that is just next door .. sort of
15.21.46 #       <Dave_C> He';s the guy that stuffs the envelops in all those govt. fliers
15.21.52 #       <Arvid> heh
15.22.14 #       <Cryto> Hey Dave_C, [THWAP!][THWAP!][THWAP!][THWAP!][THWAP!]
15.22.20 #       <Cryto> Hey Dave_C, [THWAP!][THWAP!][THWAP!][THWAP!][THWAP!]
15.22.20 #       <Cryto> Hey Dave_C, [THWAP!][THWAP!][THWAP!][THWAP!][THWAP!]
15.22.29 #       <Arvid> Dave:_C .. and I spnnt some serious time learning about GovDocs in Library School last spring
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15.23.01 #       * Rocambole welcomes Elderron to #Team*AMiGA the  OFFICIAL Amiga Help Team Channel
15.23.07 #       <Elderron> zupp
15.23.15 #       <Cryto> Hi Elderron 
15.23.35 #       <Elderron> hey cryto long time no see,,,
15.23.44 #       <Cryto> heh
15.23.45 #       <Arvid> Cryto: it is not very close , but I spent some time in 1989-90 working for Micro R&D in Denver
15.24.19 #       <Cryto> Arvid: Cool.  Just a few hours or so to the north. :)
15.24.48 #       <Arvid> CRyto: and the other direction,  I did have an Aunt in LaJunta, but I've not spoken to her since she died.
15.25.20 #       * Dave_C talks to his deceased mom all the time...
15.25.25 #       <Arvid> ah
15.25.28 #       <Cryto> hehehe
15.25.29 #       <Dave_C> she doesn't answer much tho.
15.25.41 #       <Dave_C> the quiet type.
15.26.01 #       <Rocambole> HMetal: still nothing on aminet
15.26.03 #       <Cryto> Arvid:  Well, if you talked to her since, there is a nice place here in Pueblo that can help you..  its the state hospital.. :)
15.26.11 #       <Dave_C> Roc: I'll have it in a few...
15.26.23 #       <Dave_C> I'll put it on XDCC for everyone here.
15.26.53 #       <Rocambole> Dave_C: :) thanx
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15.27.42 #       <Harv_> she says your debutante just knows what you need.. but I know what you want.
15.27.44 #       <Jamesc> I reckon
15.28.14 #       <Jamesc> I wonder why that "Reset by peer" thing happens all the time...
15.28.25 #       <Arvid> Cryto: we have one of those near here .. Osawatomie KS .. the home of John Brown
15.28.30 #       <Dave_C> could be worse...
15.28.41 #       <Dave_C> it could be 'Reser by PH33R'...
15.28.42 #       <Cryto> Heh
15.28.56 #       <Arvid> Jamesc: I saw one guy whose exit message always said  Reset by beer
15.28.58 #       <Jamesc> Errrr ... Who's PH33R??
15.28.59 #       <[X_MaN]> ugh sorry folks back again
15.29.10 #       <Dave_C> ask War
15.29.18 #       <Rocambole> hehehe.......I sure would like to meet that peer ;)
15.29.29 #       <Dave_C> or /msg DeSaDe and learn REAL PH33R....
15.29.54 #       <[X_MaN]> Reset by beer thats MINE;)
15.30.00 #       <Dave_C> hahaha
15.30.06 #       <Cryto> Heh..  I would NOT do that unless you have a death wish. :)
15.30.12 #       <Dave_C> I gotta go take the wife to work...
15.30.17 #       <Jamesc> So how does one get access to the new Boards and things for developing on the new Amigas?
15.30.40 #       <Dave_C> If 'heart' comes in, tell her I'll be back in a bit.
15.30.48 #       <Cryto> Jamesc: AFAIK, just buy one when they are available.
15.30.52 #       <Dave_C> JamesC: register on the ICOA page....
15.30.56 #       <Dave_C> Join the JMS
15.31.08 #       <Dave_C> Kiss Ass at AI....
15.31.11 #       <Dave_C> heheheh
15.31.15 #       <[X_MaN]> Jamesc:through the ICOA, although the development machinery is not avialable yet, now that the ICOA SC elections are over the work should be completeed on developers stuff soon
15.31.28 #       <Dave_C> I'll be back in a few.
15.32.39 #       <phoe> anyone want to donate an 030 :-}  i'm sick of the speed of a vanilla A1200 !
15.33.26 #       <Arvid> phoe: the 030 in my A3000 is totally unused ........
15.33.37 #       <Arvid> but soldered in
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15.34.38 #       <phoe> Arvid: i'd need the accel card too tho I think ;-)
15.34.40 #       <Cryto> Mine too.. :)
15.34.46 #       <Arvid> phoe: no doubt
15.34.48 Nick    Eldo-Stud is now known as BeefCake (elderron@elderron.bluemoon.net)
15.34.48 #       <Cryto> Mine has a 25 MHz 040 tho...
15.35.01 #       * StG^sNTx will swap his 030 for a 060
15.35.02 #       <Arvid> Cryto: as does mine, an A3640
15.35.11 #       <Jamesc> Excuse me for having been "Out of it" for a while, but who are the ICOA?
15.35.11 #       <phoe> do any of the browsers have PPC libs available yet to speed up image decoding etc ?
15.35.31 #       <phoe> something Council for the Open Amiga
15.35.39 #       <Jamesc> Ahhh.. Thanks...
15.35.40 #       <Arvid> Industry Council
15.35.42 #       <StG^sNTx> phoe: nope. Pretty sure not
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15.36.48 #       <phoe> gotta go.. this fone bill's going to cripple me...
15.36.56 #       <Cryto> Arvid: Mine has a PP&S 040..  Just 040 tho, like the 3640.
15.37.15 #       * Cryto got his 040 board for free..  Someone just gave it to him...
15.37.18 #       <[X_MaN]> Jamesc:the ICOA is the council set up to create open standards for the Amiga, they handle developer supprt and even do much of the AMiga development
15.37.23 #       <Harv_> no amiga browser knows about PPC yet.
15.37.34 #       <phoe> it'll have cost me about $6 - $7 to be on this long tonight !!!
15.37.36 #       <Harv_> ICOA = the former CATS, pretty much.
15.37.45 #       <[X_MaN]> Harv_:so what maes u get into CU arguments?
15.37.54 #       <StG^sNTx> phoe: how long have you been on?
15.37.57 #       <[X_MaN]> Harv_:hmm did cats develop standards too?
15.38.02 #       <Harv_> xman - the way horgan treated me.
15.38.07 #       <phoe> StG^sNTx: about 2.5 hrs I think
15.38.09 #       <Harv_> xman, that's exactly what they did.
15.38.15 #       <[X_MaN]> Harv:U realise StG^sNTx works for them;)
15.38.16 #       <StG^sNTx> what's tony done now then?:)
15.38.40 #       <Harv_> stg^sntx (ouch! it hurts to type that.. can I just call you Jim?)
15.38.55 #       <StG^sNTx> try s followed by tab:)
15.38.57 #       <Harv_> horgan came to me and asked me for an imagefx 3.0 review. which I gave him.
15.39.05 #       <StG^sNTx> and?
15.39.10 #       <[X_MaN]> Harv_:Well the lot of them have their blunders, I have not been reading the magazine sinc e I was shoddily treated by them about two years ago
15.39.12 #       <Harv_> well, let me finish, will ya?
15.39.26 #       <Harv_> I turned in the review, as per his spec, with screenshots..
15.39.44 #       <StG^sNTx> please go on:)
15.39.46 #       <Harv_> two days later he says "I'll have to rewrite a bunch of it and your screenshots are crap I"ll have to redo alll of them"
15.39.54 #       <Harv_> so he re-writes 50% of my review
15.40.03 #       <Harv_> and then he says "of course I'll still pay you at a reduced rate."
15.40.05 #       <Harv_> well,
15.40.15 #       <Harv_> in 12 years of professional writing, NO editor had ever told me that.
15.40.26 #       <Harv_> I told him, no, you'll pay me what we originally agreed to.
15.40.39 #       <Harv_> he said okay, I'll pay the original price but you'll never write for CU again.
15.40.39 #       <StG^sNTx> did he pay?
15.40.46 #       <StG^sNTx> lol:)
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15.41.01 #       <Harv_> so my article appears (in the june issue), two of my big screenshots ARE there, and half of it is not what I wrote.
15.41.31 #       <Harv_> so I figure he was looking to squirm out of the original $$ agreement.
15.41.32 #       <StG^sNTx> I'm in the middle of a discussion with them now, and haven't heard from them since I mailed my last arguments, and that's atleast 2 weeks ago
15.41.49 #       <Harv_> and just looking for any excuse in order to pay me less.
15.41.56 #       <phoe> amiga magazines are poor value these days.. £5.99 for about 40 pages and a lousy CD...
15.42.15 #       <Harv_> and if he pulls that shit with me, he must bepulling it with others.
15.42.55 #       <Harv_> so the hell with him and his magazine.
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15.43.28 #       <Harv_> and I'll have to see if he publishes anything about me and the ICOA election.
15.43.31 #       <StG^sNTx> which screenshots are yours? I'm looking at the review right now
15.43.41 #       <Harv_> the one with the girl/eye/bridge is mine.
15.44.00 #       <Harv_> and l.a. city hall inside the big kinda "flower" thing is mine.
15.44.07 #       <Rocambole> Harv_: your name is there at the end of the article
15.44.20 #       <Harv_> rocambole yes it is. in 2 point microscopic type. 
15.44.49 #       <phoe> Harv_: can you sue him for changing the content of the article without permission ?
15.45.00 #       <Harv_> it was Horgan who put in all those references to "mighty photoshop." 
15.45.09 #       <StG^sNTx> Harv_: screenshots look ok to me.. shows off effects and all of that
15.45.11 #       <Harv_> phoe - not hardly.
15.45.17 #       <portnoy> Just saw on the news that IBM was fined for selling computers to the USSR nuclear weapons industry. I was kind of wondering what killed it.
15.45.22 #       <Harv_> stg - yes the same screenshots he told me were trash, he used them anyway.
15.45.57 #       <Harv_> phoe - editors edit. that's their job. but my original article, which I showed to a number of friends, who agreed, did not NEED any editing. 
15.46.04 #       <StG^sNTx> hehe
15.46.07 #       <phoe> portnoy: hehehehehe seen the thing about Microsoft and Caldera - MS have been forced to hand over the Windows source
15.46.07 #       <Harv_> Horgan only did it so he coull then try to worm out of paying me what wwe had agreed to.
15.46.09 #       <Dave_C> Roc:
15.46.12 #       <Dave_C> got it.
15.46.19 #       <[X_MaN]> HArv:CU is the worst reearched print mag I have seen
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15.46.49 #       <portnoy> phoe: No, didn't hear anything about that. Sounds pretty hilarious
15.46.52 #       <Harv_> so as far as I'm concerned, he's an unscrupulous swine.
15.47.00 #       <[X_MaN]> Harv:lately CU has taken to asking em to post newer problems they have...
15.47.03 #       <CyberWolf> Hi everybody! I just wanted to look if help is already online :-)
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15.47.31 #       <phoe> portnoy: it's on Yahoo technology news - Caldera are proving MS are anti-competitive by making 'doze NOT work with another version of DOS
15.47.33 #       <Arvid> Harv: come on, don't hold back, tell us what you think about the fellow
15.47.33 #       <StG^sNTx> CyberWolf: u ask, we help:)
15.47.46 #       <Harv_> arvid.. and the horse he rode in on.
15.47.51 #       <Arvid> heh
15.48.19 #       * StG^sNTx wonders if this should have been logged and mailed off to mr. horgan:)
15.49.18 #       <phoe> Harv_: put the *real* article on your site, and have a html textarea / input box to email comments directly to tony ;-)
15.49.33 #       <phoe> ie. this was fine before you altered it ;0)
15.49.37 #       <Harv_> phoe - legally, they might own the article now. I don't know. so I won't do that.
15.49.53 #       <phoe> hmm...
15.50.02 #       * Cryto will bbiaw...
15.50.07 Part    Cryto
15.50.30 #       <Harv_> all I know is he gave me the bum's rush and I'll tell this story to anyone who wants to hear it.
15.50.54 #       <Harv_> judging from Horgan's picture in the magazine, I'd say I was writing Amiga articles while he was still crapping in his diapers.
15.51.00 #       <phoe> I did the same after I had problems with a computer shop in the UK... they've had several mails telling them their service stinks :-)
15.51.36 #       <phoe> I posted their replies (with spelling mistakes) on the same page too ;-)
15.51.37 #       <StG^sNTx> A q: what would happen if cu dissapeared? I can't get format where I live anymore, so Cu is the only mag in the shelves with the word amiga on the cover.
15.51.49 #       <Harv_> why can't you get format?
15.51.57 #       <Harv_> both of them print about the same number of copies.
15.52.06 #       <phoe> Harv_: there's only the 2 magazines in the UK now (I think)
15.52.13 #       <StG^sNTx> newsstand stopped importing it I guess
15.52.18 #       <Harv_> phoe - and 2 in the usa - amazing and informer. 
15.52.26 #       <Harv_> and informer isn't on any newsstands at all.
15.52.39 #       <StG^sNTx> any of u read amiga survivor?
15.52.40 #       <phoe> Harv_: and one of the largest chains of 'zine distributers won't touch ANYTHING amiga now
15.52.46 #       <phoe> not yet
15.53.04 #       <Harv_> phoe well that's something that AInc with their Gateway muscle behind them should do something about, isn't it.
15.53.11 #       <StG^sNTx> just wondering if it's worth checking out
15.53.15 #       <phoe> StG^sNTx: I think they could do with having issue one on the webpage in it's entirety...
15.53.33 #       <Rocambole> StG^sNTx: I got both of them here (Narvesen)
15.53.38 #       <phoe> StG^sNTx: no-one's likely to pay if they can't check it out first...
15.54.08 #       <StG^sNTx> Rocambole: I've been to narvesen around here several times the last months and all I c is CU
15.54.14 #       <phoe> Harv_: I think the platform as we know if now is on it's last gasps of life...
15.54.31 #       <Harv_> phoe - i was just at amiwest. their first show. 700 people showed up and packed the place. 
15.54.34 #       <phoe> Harv_: the new platform might re-invent the Amiga (with luck), but we need action soon
15.54.47 #       <phoe> Harv_: only 700 ????
15.54.53 #       <Rocambole> StG^sNTx: and I'
15.54.58 #       <Harv_> 700 ain't bad for the first show put on by two user groups.
15.55.05 #       <phoe> Harv_: tbh, only 700 visitors is pathetic :-/
15.55.12 #       <Harv_> perhaps, perhaps not. 
15.55.25 #       <Rocambole> and I'm subscribing on The Amiga Informer too
15.55.27 #       <Harv_> they had only printed 500 tickets and ran out the first day and had to print more.
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15.55.43 #       <portnoy> Harv_: Have they committed to doing another show?
15.55.46 #       <Harv_> yes
15.55.48 #       <Rocambole> wb Agima 
15.55.54 #       <phoe> Harv_: even the local computer fairs (small traders selling crap cheap) get maybe 2-3000 for half a day !
15.55.54 #       <Harv_> hopefully learning from their mistakes.
15.55.56 #       <Rocambole> Hello LeeROY 
15.56.02 #       <Agima> Hi Rocambole :)
15.56.10 #       <Arvid> <-- hopes to be in Columbus in two months
15.56.16 #       <Harv_> phoe - and sailboat shows at the l.a. convention center get 50,000. so what.
15.56.19 #       <LeeROY> Yo
15.56.39 #       <[X_MaN]> hello Agima welcome 
15.56.49 #       <Agima> [X_MaN]: Hi :)
15.56.55 #       <portnoy> <---Will be there (Columbus)
15.56.56 #       <phoe> Harv_: we need appreciable numbers of people willing to invest in new hardware to keep the platform alive
15.57.02 #       <[X_MaN]> Agima:need any help?
15.57.03 #       <portnoy> Later all, supper time
15.57.07 Quit    portnoy (:9 out of 10 voices in my head say "Go back to bed")
15.57.15 #       <[X_MaN]> BTW has anyone requested assistance at all tonight?
15.57.16 #       <Arvid> portnoy: I was there last November ... and 
15.57.20 #       <Arvid> and he is gone
15.57.21 #       <Harv_> phoe if you had been there you wouldn't have called it a failure. yes it was a small show - only 15 tables. 
15.57.21 #       <Agima> [X_MaN]: Not really, hoping I can give someone else help :)
15.57.40 #       <[X_MaN]> Agima:than you for your effort, it is greatly appreciated
15.57.55 #       <[X_MaN]> Agima:you own the new Amiga site right?
15.58.02 #       <Agima> [X_MaN]: No problem, just one friendly Amiga user hoping to help some others :)
15.58.06 #       <Agima> New Amiga site?
15.58.17 #       <Arvid> Everyone be here at 16 UTC Saturday to help me get the HD working on my friends A3000
15.58.18 #       <[X_MaN]> Agima:the new news site
15.58.24 #       <phoe> Harv_: i'm not saying it was a failure, but it's too small scale to risk betting $$$ on a new platform !!!!
15.58.43 #       <Agima> I run Amiga Universe at http://www.amigauni.u-net.com and http://www.amigauniverse.ml.org, if they count :)
15.58.46 #       <[X_MaN]> Arvid:Im sure someone will be here, hopefully Dave H;)
15.59.07 #       <Arvid> X_M .. I hope so ...... I expect to be really stupid tomorrow
15.59.09 #       * Harv_ woofs down a taco bell gordita
15.59.25 #       <Arvid> <-- boils a couple of wieners
15.59.33 #       <[X_MaN]> Agima:oh now I know where I know ur nick from ,and yes that is what I was thinking of
15.59.59 #>>     "top talk" by Harv_ (hrlaser@netcom9.netcom.com)
15.59.59 #       <Agima> [X_MaN]: Always glad to meet website visitors :)
16.00.27 #       * Rocambole will be here :)
16.00.28 #       <StG^sNTx> I'm saying this to pass [X_MaN]:)
16.00.37 #>>     "top joins" by Harv_ (hrlaser@netcom9.netcom.com)
16.00.39 #       <Arvid> <-- are those IQ numbers or what?
16.01.05 #>>     "faq win95" by Harv_ (hrlaser@netcom9.netcom.com)
16.01.19 #       <StG^sNTx> hehe
16.01.24 #       <Agima> Yay :)
16.01.31 #       <Agima> And shouldn't that be Win98 now? :)
16.01.51 #       <CyberWolf> Darxide_TA: ROTFL I will but that as tagline in my emails :-)
16.03.00 #       <Rocambole> CyberWolf: Darxide_TA is the channel bot
16.03.10 Part    Elderron
16.03.27 #       <Agima> Actually, I just thought of a problem that a friend of mine has been having for months on end. I'm out of ideas, and out of hair. I suspect his hard drive. Who wants to hear his tale of woe? :)
16.03.40 #       <StG^sNTx> Agima: shoot
16.03.49 #       <Agima> Bang! ;)
16.03.53 #       <Agima> Right, here we go....
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16.04.41 #       <StG^sNTx> alot of typing going on.. this will be a long one. I can feel it!
16.04.46 #       <Rocambole> hello Gott 
16.04.51 #       <StG^sNTx> ello gott
16.04.53 #       <Gott> Hi all
16.04.54 #       <Agima> He bought my Blizzard '030/50 from me, but ever since he installed it in his A1200 (which he bought a week after it's release), it keeps crashing, unless he uses the Early Startup Menu to disable CPU caches
16.05.14 #       <Agima> And even then IBrowse is as unstable as you can possibly get.
16.05.32 #       <phoe> Agima: I think there's some variations in A1200 motherboards
16.05.33 #       <CyberWolf> OK AMIGAns I 've to go! Sleep! It's 1 am here in Luxembourg! Nit all
16.05.52 #       <Rocambole> CyberWolf: welcome back soon :)
16.06.00 #       <CyberWolf> Will do so!
16.06.00 #       <phoe> I had a similar problem with one accel, but not with others, and a GVP G-Lock won't work on mine without crashing the system
16.06.01 #       <[X_MaN]> StG^sNTx:pass what test from me?
16.06.04 #       <Rocambole> CyberWolf: and have a good night
16.06.08 #       <Agima> After a suggestion that the motherboard was a problem, I swapped my Escom m/b for his Commodore m/b. My Blizz. '060 works on his old m/b, but the '030 still won't
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16.06.46 #       <phoe> Agima: was it a Magnum '030 ?
16.06.58 #       <Agima> When he bought his hard drive here and stuck it on my brothers Magnum '040, it worked. Took it back home, and it didn't work
16.07.08 #       <StG^sNTx> [X_MaN]: we were equal in number of sentences typed in the channel, so i said it to get one ahead of u:)
16.07.16 #       <Agima> Phoe : Blizzard '030 (his), Magnum '040 (brother's), Blizzard '060 (mine)
16.07.38 #       <Agima> AFAICS, his hard drive seems to be a problem. Works on my brother's '040 but not his '030 (unless CPU caches are turned off)
16.07.50 #       <phoe> I had a Magnum - load of crap - the company selling them tried to blame the memory, until I told them THEY supplied it
16.08.12 #       <[X_MaN]> StG^sNTx:lol u think so huh?  Ur just lucky Im working as I talk crap all the time;)
16.08.18 #       <Agima> I'm running his motherboard inside my brother's 1200, he has MY motherboard and I have my brother's motherboard. But that's another story :)
16.08.44 #       <phoe> Agima: nothing like keeping it in the family !!!
16.08.50 #       <Agima> Phoe :)
16.08.52 #       <StG^sNTx> Agima: strange prob.
16.09.08 #       <Agima> It's because my Microvitec monitor didn't work in Super72 on the Escom motherboard. So we swapped. :)
16.09.14 #       <StG^sNTx> I have both 1200 and blizz 030/50 and i've had my probs but not like this..
16.09.16 #       <Arvid> Agima: so you are saying the problem stays with the Blizzard 030 no matter what
16.09.17 #       <phoe> .. so it's the Blizzard '030 that doesn't work ? the rest are fine ?
16.09.22 #       <Rocambole> Agima: I'm using a Quantum FireBall and have no probs
16.09.56 #       <phoe> Fujitsu 1.7Gb this end...
16.10.02 #       <Agima> Arvid : It seems to be something to do with the hard drive my friend uses. I must have forgotten to mention that when we put the '030 back into my brother's machine, it worked flawlessty with his(my brother's)  hard drive
16.10.23 #       <phoe> Agima: spooky... what make HD is it ?
16.10.28 #       <Rocambole> Agima: hmmm....must be the HD then
16.10.29 #       <Arvid> Agima: oh ... even more complicated ....
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16.10.53 #       <Agima> Phoe : I couldn't tell you, but it's 630Mb and he's had that since he got his A1200 (a week after UK launch)
16.10.59 #       <phoe> Agima: could it just be that you just didn't have the problems in the time you tested the other HD ?
16.11.12 #       <[X_MaN]> Agima:sound slike u have an illegal patch in ur system
16.11.20 #       <phoe> Agima: hmm... it's quite old then...
16.11.23 #       <StG^sNTx> Agima: does it happen EVERY time or just now and then??
16.11.23 #       <phoe> I wonder...
16.11.25 #       <Agima> Phoe : Thing is, if he doesn't disable the CPU caches, it is 100% guaranteed to crash
16.11.47 #       <Agima> StG^sNTx: Nope, not occasional, EVERY time. If he doesn't disable CPU caches it doesn't even get past SetPatch
16.11.50 #       <[X_MaN]> Agima:a patch that doesnt like the CPU
16.11.52 #       <Harv_> bbl
16.11.55 Quit    Harv_ (:I'm not as think as you stoned I am. )
16.12.19 #       <Agima> [X_MaN]: He refuses to run any "patches", "kludges", or "hacks". Except MUI, which he HAS to run.....
16.12.25 #       <StG^sNTx> Agima: he isn't running blizz kick or something?
16.12.40 #       <phoe> anyone know if the HD cache can cause problems like that ? ie. if it's faulty, and not handling the data it gets from the CPU when it's in full flow ?
16.13.07 #       <[X_MaN]> Agima:I doubt that to be true, most people say that, after runnign new libraries for things, new datatypes, and having stuff in User startup they have forgotten
16.13.19 #       <phoe> I had a 20Mb HD that wouldn't work properly when it was FFS formatted, but fine OFS formatted
16.14.03 #       <[X_MaN]> Agima:the other thing it could be is a virus, one that crashes on higher CPU systems, there are MANY that do this
16.14.03 #       <phoe> if it's fine with other accel's tho... hmm...
16.14.04 #       <Agima> [X_MaN]: Possibly. I'd have to check
16.14.16 #       <Agima> [X_MaN]: AFAIK, he always virus checks
16.14.39 #       <[X_MaN]> Agima:using the wrong ones 90% of the time, WHo here uses TRSI virus workshop?
16.14.42 #       <phoe> Agima: join the virus help team denmark for the latest updates tho !
16.14.46 #       <Dave_C> err..
16.14.47 #       <Dave_C> I'm back
16.14.56 #       <phoe> [X_MaN]: how old is that now ????
16.14.57 #       <Dave_C> Agima: one question...
16.15.05 #       <Agima> Dave_C: Shoot :)
16.15.11 #       <phoe> BANG !
16.15.13 #       <Dave_C> the hd interface in question.... IDE or SCSI?
16.15.14 #       <StG^sNTx> Bang!;)
16.15.23 #       <Agima> Dave_C : Internal A1200 IDE
16.15.34 #       <Dave_C> hmmm
16.15.35 #       <phoe> this is turning into a GANG BANG !!!
16.15.38 #       <Agima> (Except it's an IDE cable that used to hold a CD ROM drive as well)
16.15.50 #       <Dave_C> and the interface on the o3o card you're hooking it to?
16.16.00 #       <Arvid> Agima: it is a 3.5 inch IDE?
16.16.27 #       <Agima> Arvid : 3.5, yes
16.16.56 #       <Arvid> <-- guesses a power problem with the load from the 030 card and the IDE loading the 5-volt line
16.17.13 #       <Agima> Arvid : A power problem? He has a Goliath
16.17.22 #       * Agima must remember these details next time.....
16.17.34 #       <[X_MaN]> phoe:Virus workshop is probably the most updated, it is far superior to anything in englush, only Vrus T knows more virii, but that is only German:(
16.17.36 #       <Arvid> Agima but inside the A1200 .. does he have a separate power line to the IDE drive?
16.17.48 #       <phoe> all my HD's (internal and external) run from a PC PSU, not the amiga PSU (that supplies just the motherboard)
16.18.10 #       <Agima> Arvid : One cable to the floppy drive and the other to the hard drive from the motherboard?
16.18.26 #       <phoe> [X_MaN]: what about VC and VZ ?
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16.18.38 #       <phoe> [X_MaN]: 'cos TRSI doesn't appear to be released very often
16.18.41 #       <[X_MaN]> phoe:dont even come close
16.18.56 #       <phoe> [X_MaN]: I recently got a trojan added to them...
16.19.00 #       <Arvid> Agima: I think there should be a separate power line .. both 5 and 12 volts from the external power supply to the IDE drive .. I suspect voltage drop in the wiring inside the A1200
16.19.05 #       <phoe> took them 3 days !
16.19.23 #       <[X_MaN]> Phoe:Virus workshop probably already knew it
16.19.30 #       <Dave_C> phoe: got that update/patch/brainfile handy?
16.19.49 #       <[X_MaN]> Phoe:also VW can also do heuristic so it will catch a virus anyway
16.19.56 #       <Agima> Arvid : My brother has the same setup, except with a bigger capacity Seagate 1.2Gb HD, and a 4x CD-ROM on the wire
16.20.15 #       <phoe> Dave_C: nope :-( don't think so... lemme check
16.20.24 #       <Arvid> Agima: but what is the voltage measured at the drive power connector?
16.20.42 #       <Agima> Arvid : To be honest, I haven't got a clue :)
16.21.00 #       <phoe> Dave_C: unless you run Maxs BBS you'd be safe anyway
16.21.16 #       <phoe> it was designed to run as a door, and it overwrites your RDB
16.21.31 #       <Arvid> Agima: I think you should check it .. if the voltage at the drive is lower than 4.8 volts, that is always a problem
16.21.36 #       <Dave_C> there was someone talking about a CNet specific trojan type and I was wondering about it.
16.21.39 #       <phoe> it calls a patched powerpacker library called Maxpacker.library
16.21.51 #       <[X_MaN]> Dave:run heursistic from VrusW before u run a prog, ull now if it is a virus, I have tried it lots of times with new virri 
16.22.10 #       <Agima> Arvid : But if it was a power problem, why would disabling CPU caches at Early Startup prevent the crashes that he'd get with them switched on?
16.22.31 >>>     "sview" by Agima (Agima@p24.nas1.is2.u-net.net)
16.22.35 #       <Dave_C> I just hate scanning every file on my system hunting for things that have wedged themselves in already.
16.22.45 #       <Arvid> Agima: well ... that is one of those questions ... maybe the drive draws less current with the caches off
16.23.01 #       <Agima> It's certainly possible, I'll talk to him about it.
16.23.14 #       <phoe> Dave_C: I can send you the virus'd lib itself if you want it ?
16.23.20 #       <Agima> But if you ask me, he wants to get himself a new hard drive. :)
16.23.47 #       <Dave_C> HMetal may want it... he'd the CNet author.
16.23.53 #       <Arvid> Agima: a really new drive will draw much less current and would be a really good thing
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16.24.02 #       <Dave_C> wb Griff
16.24.05 #       <Rocambole> hello Griff 
16.24.10 #       <phoe> Dave_C: does Cnet run Maxs / Paragon doors ?
16.24.10 #       <Griff> Hey Rocamble
16.24.12 #       <[X_MaN]> Dave:I know what u mean, thats why IU said run heuristic only on the dirs of the new program, way better than doing a system VC, once u have a virus it s much harder to get rid ogf the bugger
16.24.17 #       <Dave_C> Paragon
16.24.24 #       <[X_MaN]> Hi griff welcome 
16.24.30 #       <Agima> Arvid : And so would a new accelerator. 'pparently, from what he says, he wants a faster machine anyway :)
16.24.32 #       <phoe> [X_MaN]: dya wanna try this virussed lib ? see if it spots it ?
16.24.33 #       <Agima> 'lo Griff
16.24.46 #       <Arvid> Agima: at least an 060 would draw less poer
16.24.48 #       <Griff> Arrghhhh!!! My Cd-Rom drive is about to take off!!!
16.24.48 #       <Arvid> power
16.24.52 #       <Griff> Hey Agima
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16.24.59 #       <Agima> Arvid : Should I tell him to buy an '040? ;)
16.25.00 #       <[X_MaN]> phoe:not now, Im not on Amiga
16.25.01 #       <Griff> [X-Man] - Thanxs :) will do
16.25.04 #       <Dave_C> wb Ben
16.25.05 #       <Rocambole> wb Womble 
16.25.09 #       <Womble> Hello again
16.25.09 #       <Agima> 'lo Womble
16.25.21 #       <Arvid> Agima: every one I know of with an 040 in an A1200 complains of heat
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16.25.38 #       <[X_MaN]> hi ben
16.25.38 #       <Womble> Arvid: Of what?
16.25.46 #       <Womble> Arvid: Oh, heat.
16.25.58 #       <Womble> Arvid: No problem here with an Apollo
16.26.00 #       <Agima> Arvid : Not when you've got two fans and an Intel heatsink on the SOAB :)
16.26.08 #       <Arvid> Agima: ah 
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16.26.27 #       <Agima> Now, about mailing lists. How do you get them going? Publicity, advertising, subtle plugging? :)
16.26.30 #       <StG^sNTx> wb Griff
16.26.35 #       <Arvid> <-- hears a rumour that the U-S Military runs special Pentiums at 2400 Mhz
16.26.43 #       <Griff> ta
16.27.02 #       <Womble> Arvid: You cannot clock them that high.
16.27.09 #       <Agima> Arvid : Where did you hear that?
16.27.17 #       <[X_MaN]> Arvid:the millitary probably uses Crays, not x86
16.27.18 #       <Womble> Arvid: They may well have parallel systems though.
16.27.40 #       <Arvid> Womble: just what I heard .. from a tech guy at a nearby military base .. he says the systems are all liquid cooled with good old Freon
16.27.45 #       * Agima shudders at the possibility of a 2.4GHz Pentium.... then gets the eggs out and makes some fried egg sandwiches. :)
16.27.59 #       <StG^sNTx> bbs
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16.28.12 #       <Womble> Arvid: I have seen things like that, but they can only go up to about twice the rated speed.
16.28.23 #       <Arvid> X_Man not at all.  I mean the machines in the portable op centers
16.28.50 #       <phoe> most chip's still use quite a large die for their chips.. there's a 0.9 micron (I think it was...) chip burning method developed on the cheap, that no-one is using yet
16.29.19 #       <phoe> they reckoned it would take another 8-10 years to get where they just got it to...
16.29.25 #       <[X_MaN]> Arvid:they are using Amiga A500`s!
16.29.31 #       <[X_MaN]> :)
16.29.53 #       <Arvid> X_man: heh ... even the machines my kid uses are only 300 Mhz soon to be 500 Mhz
16.29.54 #       * Agima goes down to a military base and replaces all the 2.4GHz Pentiums with 14Mhz 68020's ;)
16.30.01 #       <phoe> Dave_C: still want the virus brainfile ?
16.30.11 #       <Dave_C> sure.. I'll take a look
16.30.13 #       <Womble> While the US Navy uses PCs running NT and ends up dead in the water,
16.30.15 #       <[X_MaN]> Agima:they probably multitask properly now;)
16.30.33 #       <Agima> Womble : They get out of the harbour? ;)
16.30.38 #       <[X_MaN]> Womble:the Amiga has the same flaw so its better we shut up about that;)
16.31.46 #       <[X_MaN]> Womble:btw have u read the article on strong arm?  They have MPeg 2 decoders and shit built in!
16.31.50 #       <Womble> [X_MaN]: What, divide-by-zero errors? Haven't seen one for ages.
16.32.06 #       <[X_MaN]> Womble:yeah Amiga goes belly up on that
16.32.23 #       <Womble> [X_MaN]: Haven't seen that article, there was probably a link from Slashdot but /. is terribly unreliable these days
16.33.06 #       <phoe> ok, I really had better go !!!!
16.33.13 #       <Agima> See ya Phoe
16.33.13 #       <phoe> g'night all !
16.33.17 #       <Womble> Bye phoe 
16.33.24 Quit    phoe (:Client exiting)
16.33.55 #       <[X_MaN]> Womble:if it is true, Sarm looks exactly the same type of chip the MMC is going to be
16.34.02 #       <Womble> Right
16.35.56 #>>     "exchange 200 dem usd" by Dave_C (davecook@host239.internettport.net)
16.36.02 #       <Dave_C> hmmm
16.36.25 #       <Dave_C> time to check in w/ ACS...
16.40.49 #       <StG^aWAy> I'm back
16.42.12 #       <[X_MaN]> wb stg
16.42.19 #       <[X_MaN]> its late isnt it we are all falling asleep
16.44.05 #       <StG^aWAy> Who needs sleep?
16.44.13 #       <StG^aWAy> It's a waste of time!
16.44.45 Quit    Griff (:"Zorak is dead Beck!")
16.45.04 Join    TheTd [0] (~Td@usr124.dialnet.com)
16.45.18 #       <StG^aWAy> hello TheTd
16.45.24 #       <TheTd> hi
16.45.34 Nick    StG^aWAy is now known as StG^sNTx (~sjurm@ti02a02-0048.dialup.online.no)
16.45.35 #       <Rocambole> hello TheTd 
16.45.49 #       <TheTd> hi there
16.46.28 #       <Womble> Hi TheTd 
16.47.04 #       * Dave_C wonders when AI is gonna update their site...
16.47.15 #       <Dave_C> July is gone and there's NOTHING listed there.
16.47.23 #       <TheTd> hi Rocambole,StG^sNTx 
16.47.46 #       * StG^sNTx knows he should be updating his instead of sitting here, but who cares:)
16.47.50 #       <Dave_C> Latest News is still showing the May stuff
16.47.57 #       <TheTd>  they have been very slow at updating stuff
16.48.05 #       <Dave_C> a little?
16.48.06 #       <Dave_C> hehehe
16.48.12 #       <Dave_C> very very very
16.48.14 #       <Rocambole> Dave_C: maybe they have forgot they have a web site ;))))
16.48.21 #       <Dave_C> No...
16.48.28 #       <Dave_C> it was horked the other day...
16.48.32 #       <Dave_C> no permissions
16.48.36 #       <Arvid> horked?
16.48.44 #       <Dave_C> They got it back up and working.
16.48.46 #       <Agima> In the news archives they have a couple of articles from June
16.48.46 #       <Dave_C> hehehe
16.48.57 #       <Dave_C> horked is a CNet/4 BBS term
16.49.01 #       <Arvid> ah
16.49.05 #       <Dave_C> if it don't work, it's horked
16.49.10 #       <Dave_C> hehehe
16.49.14 #       * Agima will remember that one. 
16.49.15 #       <Arvid> <-- is always glad to learn new words
16.49.25 #       <Agima> Can it also be used as abuse? Like, "Hork you!"
16.49.31 #       <Dave_C> sure..
16.49.41 #       <Dave_C> rotfl
16.49.48 #       <Arvid> an insult:  You Horker!
16.49.54 #       <Arvid> or You Horkette
16.49.55 #       <Dave_C> <nod.
16.50.16 #       <Dave_C> Hey, you need to run CNet and get together with us...
16.50.19 #       <Dave_C> you'd fit right in.
16.50.21 #       <Agima> "What's wrong with it?" "It is completely, utterly, and without doubt horked beyond all recognition"
16.50.27 #       <StG^sNTx> shouldn't we make the bots kick and ban people using such bad language?
16.50.28 #       <Dave_C> that's it!
16.50.42 #       <Arvid> Well hork that
16.50.50 #       <Dave_C> If I could get TCL to work, I'd do it.
16.51.29 #       <Dave_C> 'on "hork" /kick $nick
16.51.34 #       <Dave_C> or something
16.51.38 #       <StG^sNTx> hehe
16.51.52 #       <Dave_C> but as I said, TCL is horked
16.51.55 #       <Dave_C> hahahaha
16.52.18 #>>     "faq typos" by Dave_C (davecook@host239.internettport.net)
16.52.26 #       <Arvid> If a person sets around and does not work, is that person a Horkalounger?
16.52.29 #       <Dave_C> those are from #Cnet
16.52.53 #       <TheTd> lol
16.53.21 #       <Dave_C> spackages and demotos are my faves
16.53.43 #       <Dave_C> or z->BGuffer
16.54.00 #       <Womble> It should be faq tyops though
16.54.04 #       <Arvid> <-- has a vivid mental image of a snapshit
16.54.12 >>>     'pass' used by Dave_C (davecook@host239.internettport.net) [snoop prevented]
16.54.12 #       <TheTd> my dog is drivng me nuts *sigh*
16.54.16 #       <StG^sNTx> :)
16.54.31 #>>     "expadd topys See FAQ TYPOS" by Dave_C (davecook@host239.internettport.net)
16.54.47 #       <Dave_C> I still like these too
16.54.56 #>>     "explain win95" by Dave_C (davecook@host239.internettport.net)
16.55.01 Quit    HMetal (:Ping timeout for HMetal[wnd1-80.netrover.com])
16.55.04 #>>     "explain win98" by Dave_C (davecook@host239.internettport.net)
16.55.17 #       <Dave_C> bye Ray!
16.55.37 #       <Agima> Ahhh, a Win98 explanation. :)
16.56.11 #>>     "explain microsoft" by Dave_C (davecook@host239.internettport.net)
16.56.35 #       <StG^sNTx> getting better and better:)
16.56.58 #       * Agima fires up EdWord and adds ANOTHER tagline
16.57.00 #       <Dave_C>  /join #CNet and type !joke
16.57.24 #       <Arvid> Dave_C NPR reported a few days ago that the 40% poorest people in the USA have an aggregate worth less than that of one person ... Bill Gates
16.57.36 #       <Dave_C> <nod>
16.58.09 #       <Dave_C> and if it hadn't been for piracy sending his Altair Basic all over, M$ would never have been born.
16.58.22 #       <Arvid> damn pirates
16.58.50 #       <Womble> Back then there was a culture of sharing
16.58.57 #       <[X_MaN]> back
16.59.12 Quit    TheTd (:Ping timeout for TheTd[usr124.dialnet.com])
16.59.15 #       <Womble> Hobbyists didn't really get the fact that MicroSoft had a different attitude
16.59.36 #       <Dave_C> then came incorporation greed and wasted resources
16.59.49 #       <Womble> That MS was determined to have money for every copy of BASIC
17.00.20 #       <Arvid> <-- was not there at the start of the home computer thing, but did get a 6502 machine running in September 1979
17.00.57 #       * Rocambole is heading for bed now. Have a good night and the sweetest dreams all of you. Bye
17.01.02 #       <Womble> Night, Rocambole 
17.01.27 #       <[X_MaN]> gnigt Roc
17.01.31 #       * Womble got into computers in about 1983 on a C64 or maybe C16... when he was 6
17.01.31 #       <StG^sNTx> Good night Roc
17.01.56 #       <[X_MaN]> Roc bwfore u go
17.01.57 #       * Rocambole is signing *OFF*
17.02.05 #       <[X_MaN]> WAIT:)
17.02.06 #       <Rocambole> [X_MaN]: yes
17.02.25 #       <Arvid> Dave_C: I am in Kansas .. right now my FM receiver is receiving a South Carolina FM station
17.02.56 NHeal   (timeout) babylon.beyondirc.net Hfdata.EU.BeyondIRC.Net
17.03.01 #       <Arvid> Womble: my C-64 still works well, but is not much good for Internet stuff
17.03.15 #       * StG^sNTx is heading for bed too. I'll dream of you:=)
17.03.18 Join    TA [200] (gpeake@208-236-17-37.wt.net)
17.03.18 Mode    "#Team*AMiGA +o TA " by services.beyondirc.org ()
17.03.27 #       <Womble> Hiya Gary
17.03.27 #       <TA> mornin'
17.03.31 Quit    StG^sNTx (:| I'll be back! Visit http://home.sol.no/~stgenius/ Always updated with amiga news and usefull info!)
17.03.31 #       <Agima> 'lo Gary
17.03.33 #       <Dave_C> It's GARY!
17.03.37 #       * Rocambole welcomes TA to #Team*AMiGA the  OFFICIAL Amiga Help Team Channel
17.04.00 #       * TA bows to all the celebs here!
17.04.19 #       <Rocambole> TA: It's been a really great day here in channel :))
17.04.51 #       <TA> Amigan's have needed a place to go for help for a long time. I salute you guys for the idea.
17.04.53 #       <Agima> Rocambole : It sure has :)
17.05.03 #       <[X_MaN]> TA
17.05.17 #       <[X_MaN]> Log time no see whats the story Gary?
17.05.23 #       <Agima> TA : It was a good idea wasn't it? I wouldn't be here if it wasn't :)
17.05.29 #       <Rocambole> TA: it started yesterday after the press release
17.05.45 #       * Agima put that press release on his site within an hour of recieving it :)
17.06.05 #       <TA> now if we can just keep it publicized.
17.06.15 #       <Agima> TA : I know the feeling :)
17.06.43 #       <Rocambole> TA: maybe more press releases with new events would do the trick :)
17.06.55 #       <[X_MaN]> TA:Well tomorow I would like to have a nice conference or something, what do u suggest?
17.07.00 #       <Agima> I just set the topic in IRCNet #amiga again
17.07.16 #       <Agima> Rocambole : Any more press releases, you know where to send 'em :)
17.07.30 #       <Rocambole> Agima: hehehe.....yes
17.07.32 #       <TA> I will try to get Olaf or Mick Tinker here.
17.08.00 #       <Rocambole> TA: you never gave a comment on the press release ;)
17.08.48 #       <[X_MaN]> TA:if the Expert system didnt break down on DCC, the help team would have been killer, as it is we could have gotten the thing running in March, but back then it wouldnt have had the backing it does now
17.09.26 #       <Rocambole> TA: sounds great with Olaf in here :)
17.10.07 #       <TA> Rocambole: I got sideways trying to get some things done. It looked good to me.
17.10.24 #       <Rocambole> TA: thanx :)
17.10.43 #       <[X_MaN]> I think Mick or Olaf would be gr8
17.11.04 #       <[X_MaN]> Mick would be interesting as everyone wants to know about the simases and access things
17.11.18 #       <[X_MaN]> Olaf as he knows ANYTHING on OS issues
17.11.21 #       <Womble> We are Siamese if you please
17.11.35 #       <[X_MaN]> lol
17.11.47 #       <Agima> Womble :)
17.12.39 #       <Rocambole> I need some help with sceduling topics and events here :)
17.12.48 #       <Rocambole> sheduling even
17.12.51 #       <[X_MaN]> Gary whats the story on the AInc site, u think u could speak to Bill M?
17.13.12 #       <TA> wait one ... phone
17.13.15 #       <[X_MaN]> Roc:I spoke to Hamlet he is still alive and well, maybe he should be given the task or Clasy?
17.13.42 #       <Rocambole> yes
17.14.18 #       <[X_MaN]> Roc:Clasy is best as she is responsible and isnt too much for techie questions, btw where is she?
17.14.45 #       <[X_MaN]> Roc:but Hamlet is also good because he is dedicated and he needs some inspiration and work
17.14.56 #       <[X_MaN]> btw
17.15.18 Join    NiteFlite [0] (FabianJime@fabian.cais.com)
17.15.21 #       <[X_MaN]> Hamlet needs some referees for a job in computing, who is willing to vouch for him?
17.15.24 #       <[X_MaN]> hello NiteFlite
17.15.37 #       <NiteFlite> Hi
17.17.00 #       <[X_MaN]> noone is willing to referee for hamlet?
17.17.13 #       <TA> nite!!!!
17.17.20 #       <Womble> [X_MaN]: I think not many people here know hamlet very well...
17.17.21 #       <Dave_C> leaving so sonn>
17.17.24 #       <Dave_C> soon?
17.17.37 #       <NiteFlite> TA!!! : )
17.18.56 #       <[X_MaN]> Womble:well they will get to know hi, especially when he offeres them help, he is so friendly
17.19.12 #       <[X_MaN]> Womble:and he is VERY responsible too
17.20.12 #       <Womble> Well, let's see him around a bit
17.20.17 #       <Rocambole> wb NiteFlite 
17.20.35 #       <NiteFlite> Thanks Rocambole.
17.20.59 #       <[X_MaN]> Womble:well he is around lots,but he is like you a young man without a job, searching he needs support as do you
17.21.21 #       <[X_MaN]> Its a shame thall all the youngest talented Amigans need financial support so desperately
17.22.13 #       <Rocambole> well, I have to leave now. Have trouble with keeping my eyelids open :)
17.22.21 #       <[X_MaN]> Roc:me too
17.22.32 #       <[X_MaN]> Roc:wanted to clear some issues up first though;)
17.22.48 #       <Womble> Bye Rocambole 
17.22.48 #       * NiteFlite eyes his watch, time to go get Caldi from the airport.
17.22.55 #       <NiteFlite> Bye Rocambole.
17.23.01 #       <Womble> [X_MaN]: I don't suppose he'd like to move to Australia?
17.23.03 #       <Dave_C> NF: YES, and bring his ass back here....
17.23.05 #       <TA> tell caldi to come here
17.23.08 #       <Rocambole> bye NiteFlite 
17.23.17 #       <NiteFlite> Come where?  Texas?
17.23.27 #       <TA> to the channel.
17.23.47 #       <NiteFlite> I'll try, he may want to bar hop tonight. :)
17.23.57 #       <TA> ok,
17.24.15 #       <[X_MaN]> Gnight Steinar thanks for everything tonight
17.24.32 #       * Dave_C sets up the bar in a corner of the channel and gives Darx a roll of quarters for the jukebox...
17.24.54 #       <Rocambole> see you all tomorrow
17.25.06 #       * Rocambole is signing *OFF*
17.25.21 Quit    Rocambole (:Client exiting (hmmm.....what's happening?))
17.25.22 Quit    NiteFlite (:http://www.cais.com/)
17.26.00 #       * Dave_C will have to go to work soon
17.26.14 #       <Dave_C> Hope there will be someone left here to help the late nighters
17.26.27 #       <Agima> Dave_C: I'll, erm, try. :)
17.26.33 #       <Dave_C> hehehe
17.26.37 #       <TA> I should be around.
17.27.03 #       <Dave_C> Tonight, our club has the 'weenie wavers', so it's gonna be women everywhere, all wound up by steroid boys.
17.27.29 #       <TA> wienie wavers?  :)
17.27.30 #       <Agima> Really? This'll be, erm, interesting......
17.28.26 #       <Dave_C> most of these guys have pecs bigger than the local women (aside from the Lulu clones)
17.29.01 #       <Dave_C> you know... the kind the eagles wrote that song about.... 'Life in the Fat Lane'....
17.29.05 #       <[X_MaN]> Dave:I bet they are Viagra`s biggest customers
17.29.30 #       <Dave_C> X: Anabolic steroids make your genetalia go away...
17.29.53 #       <Dave_C> the mass for the bulging muscles has to come from somewhere....
17.30.34 #       <Dave_C> I ask the wife if she's gonna go see 'em, and she replies, 'HA! No big thing..'
17.31.02 #>>     "sview agima" by Dave_C (davecook@host239.internettport.net)
17.31.10 #       <Dave_C> we gotta fix that
17.31.20 #>>     "useradd agima 20" by Dave_C (davecook@host239.internettport.net)
17.31.32 Join    Geomol [0] (1200104528@ip68.banxr1.ras.tele.dk)
17.31.37 #       <Dave_C> you know how Dancers work....
17.31.46 #       <Dave_C> Hi Geo
17.31.53 #       <Geomol> Hi Dave!
17.31.54 #       <Dave_C> WElcome to the AMiGA Help Channel
17.31.55 #       <Agima> Dave_C : I've got the same status, on the same bot, on a different network. :)
17.31.56 #       <Geomol> Hi all!
17.32.08 #       <Dave_C> 8^)
17.32.42 #       <Dave_C> yeah, but this one's on my shell
17.32.47 #       <Geomol> (-8
17.32.47 #       <Dave_C> one of my shells
17.33.06 #       <Agima> Shouldn't be too difficult to use. :)
17.33.09 #       <Dave_C> Geo: How can we help you tonight...
17.33.10 >>>     "cmd" by Agima (Agima@p24.nas1.is2.u-net.net)
17.33.16 #       <Dave_C> ??
17.33.34 #       <Geomol> Dave_C: I am just happy to see people here.
17.33.39 #       <Dave_C> hehehe
17.33.42 #       <Dave_C> me too
17.33.46 #       <Geomol> Dave_C: I've read about this channel on www.ann.lu.
17.34.01 #       <TA> Geomol: Please pass the word for us too.
17.34.01 #       <Dave_C> another hit for Christian!
17.34.05 #       <Dave_C> send him 7 cents
17.34.11 #       <Dave_C> hehehe
17.34.16 #       <Dave_C> (inside joke)
17.34.25 #       <Geomol> Dave_C: =)
17.34.31 #       <TA> we won't tell anyone Dave ... hehehe
17.34.41 #       <[X_MaN]> hiya Geomol
17.34.46 #       <Geomol> TA: I will. Where I can.
17.34.48 #       <TA> promise ... <evil grin>
17.34.51 #       <Geomol> [X_MaN]: Hi there!
17.35.12 #       <[X_MaN]> Dave:I warned u earlier about that joke!  THWACK!
17.35.50 #       <TA> I'll be back in just  abit. I need to set up a couple of things on this lame 3000.
17.36.10 #       <TA> It's starting to get sluggish like my Dell Pentium II at work.
17.36.29 #       <TA> brb
17.36.30 #       <[X_MaN]> TA:plug in ur MMC accelerator board then!
17.36.36 Quit    TA (:http://web.nt.net/~gpeake/)
17.36.46 #       <Geomol> [X_MaN]: ;)
17.36.50 #       * [X_MaN] is trying to start a war
17.36.53 #       <[X_MaN]> ;)
17.37.19 #       <Geomol> Ok! What about this MMC?
17.37.46 #       <[X_MaN]> it doesnt exist
17.37.47 #       <Geomol> Will it be included with OS4.0?
17.38.04 #       <[X_MaN]> we shall be using cornflakes boxes as emulators until someone invents an MMC
17.38.11 #       <[X_MaN]> :)
17.38.26 #       <[X_MaN]> Geomol:no seriously it wont be as it isnt even going to be at prototype then
17.38.32 #       <Geomol> [X_MaN]: I've seen something about a chip looking like the MMC.
17.38.32 #       <Arvid> <-- thought MMC referred to Main Man Charlie and his computer discount warehouse
17.38.42 #       <Womble> Make your own MMC out of sticky-backed plastic and washing-up liquid bottles
17.38.49 #       <[X_MaN]> Geomol:there are probably 10-15 probable lookalikes
17.39.10 #       <Geomol> [X_MaN]: Really! With that performance?
17.39.10 #       <[X_MaN]> Womble:U know ur english as that is a blue peter slant, only the brits know that;)
17.39.20 #       <Womble> Never mind
17.39.26 #       <[X_MaN]> Geomol:yes
17.39.41 #       <Geomol> [X_MaN]: Not 10-15!!!!!!
17.39.52 #       <Geomol> [X_MaN]: I've only heard and read about one.
17.39.56 #       <[X_MaN]> Geomol:maybe even more actually
17.39.59 #       <Womble> Do 'merkins have washing-up liquid or do they just sling everything into a turbo dishwasher?
17.40.07 #       <Womble> I'm sure I've never seen 'merkins wash up
17.40.37 #       <Geomol> [X_MaN]: The thing BitBrothers is doing look nice to me.
17.40.41 #       <[X_MaN]> Geomol:Project X, Strong Arm, Merced, Altavitec or whatever its called, Mpact, Transmeta....
17.41.04 #       <[X_MaN]> Geomol:u have a url?
17.41.15 #       <Geomol> [X_MaN]: Yes, moment.
17.41.29 #       <Womble> Who's to say AI actually *has* a deal?
17.41.48 Join    RobSDA [0] (Rob.Bamfor@AM3-10-55-165.ixpres.com)
17.41.51 #       <Geomol> [X_MaN]: Sorry, it was BitBoys in Finland.
17.41.56 #       <Geomol> [X_MaN]: www.bitboys.fi
17.41.59 #       <Womble> I mean, clearly they had picked something, but now it isn't clear that the deal is still on.
17.41.59 #       <RobSDA> Re!
17.42.01 #       <[X_MaN]> Womble:that iis called unsettling the sand, lets not do that;)
17.42.03 #       <Womble> Hi RobSDA 
17.42.32 #       <[X_MaN]> Womble:Squid speculates that the negotiations Inc is involved with are regarding the quickpac saga and not the MMc
17.42.44 #       <Womble> [X_MaN]: Why waste their time with that shit?
17.42.53 #       <[X_MaN]> 1Womle:squid speculates with sources unrevealed;)
17.43.04 #       <Womble> [X_MaN]: They should let Amiga Int deal with that
17.43.20 #       <Geomol> [X_MaN]: Their chip is called Glaze3D.
17.43.24 #       <[X_MaN]> Womble:business, if newtek go belly up on the flyer, its one more battle to lose, also the play box is based on quikpac, and the play thing is a new market
17.43.42 #       <[X_MaN]> Geomol:that is a gfx subsystem, the MMC is a CPU system...
17.43.51 #       <Womble> [X_MaN]: Err.. but Play has nothing to do with Amiga
17.43.57 #       <RobSDA> Any word on wether or not the BoXeR is still due for an August (this month) release?  And if so, if they have managed to get the AA+ chipset that Access Innovations has been working on into that release of the motherboard, or will it come on a future release?  Thanks.
17.44.04 #       <Womble> [X_MaN]: And I thought NewTek was raking it in from Lightwave these days?
17.44.08 #       <Geomol> [X_MaN]: Hmmm It look like a chip to me.
17.44.23 #       <[X_MaN]> Womble:ugh wrong company, I dont mean pla as in ex DC and newtekkers, I mean that interactie tv thingie
17.44.27 #       <Womble> AA+ is for the next revision, I believe. The delay seems to be due to a problem sourcing chips
17.44.35 #       <Womble> [X_MaN]: Playable TV?
17.44.39 #       <Geomol> [X_MaN]: Are you sure, the MMC is a CPU?
17.44.41 #       <[X_MaN]> Womble:thats the one
17.44.51 #       <[X_MaN]> Geomol:yes no doubt whatsoever
17.45.06 #       <Womble> So of course the Quikpak business does need to be dealt with
17.45.08 #       <Geomol> [X_MaN]: Ok, where do you get that info?
17.45.15 #       <Womble> How much money is in dispute, anyway? Anyone know?
17.45.19 #       <RobSDA> Womble:  There is also the MagicBox company that utilizes that Quikpak A4000 in their 'Pro' system, and shortage of A4000's will hurt them, too.  Must be a lot of smaller companies that use the Amiga technology that will be hurt adversly if the legal problem isn't settled.
17.45.29 #       <Womble> RobSDA: Never heard of them.
17.46.02 #       <[X_MaN]> Geomol:From a number of sources, one being Amiga inc
17.46.11 #       <Geomol> [X_MaN]: Ok.
17.46.48 #       <Womble> It's not official and they won't say but enough hints have been dropped.
17.46.53 #       <[X_MaN]> Geomol:The MMC system is a CPU with multimedia functioning such as the Strongarm and Mpact chips
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17.47.12 #       <Geomol> [X_MaN]: Ok, never heard of them.
17.47.29 #       <Geomol> [X_MaN]: I hope the future is bright for the Amiga.
17.47.55 #       <[X_MaN]> Womble:exactly, somethings dont have to be spelt aloud to be in black and white, but last I heard Bill Mewen referred to a MMR not MMC
17.48.24 #       <[X_MaN]> Geomol:Bright is too soon, brighter than it could have hoped for is where we are now
17.49.45 #       <[X_MaN]> WOmble is the man to speak to on brightness, never seen such a pessimist;)
17.50.00 #       <[X_MaN]> Ben will Amiga see 2001?
17.50.01 >>>     "sview drjekyl" by Agima (Agima@p24.nas1.is2.u-net.net)
17.50.29 #       <Womble> [X_MaN]: I don't have nearly enough information to make even a good guess.
17.50.40 #       <RobSDA> Will the BoXeR motherboard be a suitable replacement for the Quikpak systems if that doesn't get settled?  I am still not sure how Amiga Video Slot compatible the BoXeR is for Toaster/Flyer, et al. uses.
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17.50.57 #       <Womble> Rob, I believe the BoXeR board is dependent on supplies from Quikpak!
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17.51.11 Mode    "#Team*AMiGA +o TA " by services.beyondirc.org ()
17.51.12 #       <[X_MaN]> Good afternoon Mr President
17.51.14 #       <Nixon^99> hmmm....
17.51.19 #       <Womble> Rob: Could be wrong though.
17.51.22 #       <Womble> re TA
17.51.26 #       <RobSDA> Womble:  That is BAD news...  Hadn't heard that before.  I hope you are wrong!  :-)
17.51.27 #       <[X_MaN]> How are u Nix?
17.51.34 #       <Nixon^99> Mr. X...
17.51.39 #       <TA> ok, who is stealing 2 megs of ram from me?  :)
17.51.50 #       <RobSDA> Re Nixon, TA!
17.51.53 #       <Nixon^99> [X_MaN]: fine.. U
17.52.10 #       <Womble> TA: I'm doing it. I'm using other people's memory to store a backup of my hard drive. Hope you don't mind.
17.52.11 #       <[X_MaN]> Nix:gr8 thnx, wondered how u have been, its been a looong time dude
17.52.19 #       <[X_MaN]> wb Gary
17.52.20 #       <Nixon^99> hello RobSDA 
17.52.21 #       <Womble> TA: Oh, it's encrypted of course, so you can't enjoy it too.
17.52.28 #       <Agima> w/b Gary :)
17.52.41 #       <TA> Hey guys, I need some help ... can ya get me a blonde, about 5'11" 40C's?
17.52.52 #       <[X_MaN]> WombleI heard the same thing actually, something of quikpaks is used on the boxer
17.53.02 #       <[X_MaN]> TA:how old?
17.53.15 #       <TA> 18-80 is fine ... :)
17.53.28 #       <Womble> 40C's??
17.53.29 #       <Agima> 80? Now this kid sets his sights on high ;)
17.53.36 #       <TA> my wife is now wondering who is gonna help me buy all my amiga toys ... :)
17.53.40 #       <Dave_C> Gary: Come to Anniston tonight and you'll have a bunch to pick from...
17.53.50 #       <[X_MaN]> TA:Ok come to Cyprus and we shall see
17.53.56 #       <Dave_C> all frothing at the mouth after an hour w/ the mail strippers
17.54.03 #       <TA> Dave_C: I don't want them if they have more muscles than me ... :(
17.54.12 #       <Womble> Dave_C: You have postal workers stripping?
17.54.19 #       <Dave_C> male
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17.54.21 #       <Dave_C> feh
17.54.23 #       <[X_MaN]> Dave:if u get horny wives send them to my new shop;)
17.54.29 #       <Agima> 'lo Alanwall
17.54.31 #       <[X_MaN]> hello Alan;)
17.54.32 #       <Dave_C> Hi Alan
17.54.36 #       <alanwall> hi all!
17.54.59 #       <TA> well, kiss my grits! The man lives and breathes! Welcome my friend!
17.55.00 #       <[X_MaN]> Whats the story Alan u well?
17.55.06 #       <alanwall> had to run the last time-conctruction workers here
17.56.01 #       <Womble> re alan
17.56.14 #       <alanwall> Agima:me?if yes=yes
17.56.14 #       <TA> How is the heat in Sac Alan?
17.56.29 #       <[X_MaN]> Geomol:TA is the ICOA PR officer, he can answer MANY questions on things regarding future systems, but remember he has been asked the same questions a thousand times over, so please at least try to find questions that are not answered in 50 billion places
17.56.32 #       <alanwall> TA;back home in Santa Rosa
17.56.52 #       <Agima> Alanwall : And are you enjoying your time on the list? :)
17.57.05 #       <TA> It was 99 plus here and even running dogs were slow today.
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17.57.23 #       <Geomol> [X_MaN]: ok =)
17.57.26 #       <alanwall> Agima:was not there longer so no opinion yet!
17.57.43 #       <TA> Kinners!
17.57.52 #       <Kinners> hi everyone
17.58.14 #       <TA> welcome my friend.
17.58.26 #       <alanwall> Agima:when is the next one?
17.58.37 #       <[X_MaN]> hi Kinners
17.58.38 #       <Womble> Hi Kinners 
17.58.41 #       <Agima> alanwall : I'm talking 'bout the mailing list :)
17.59.04 #       <Kinners> If I had known I would get this reception, I would have joined earlier :)
17.59.17 #       <alanwall> Agima:sorry thought u were talking about the irc
17.59.36 #       <Agima> alanwall : Well, if I was talking 'bout the IRC, that'll be 8pm BST weekend nights :)
17.59.40 #       <TA> Kinners: You should always feel at home here.
17.59.44 #       <Agima> But how ARE you enjoying the mailing list? :)
18.00.14 #       <alanwall> Agima:just read that I'm #3 for posts-way behind the DR
18.00.53 #       <Arvid> alanwall: I think you are in California, may I ask where in CA?
18.01.17 #       <alanwall> Agima:some I read and some I toss-will get better with time
18.01.26 #       <TA> Arvid: When did you sneak in? I missed ya. Sorry about that ...
18.01.33 #       <Agima> alanwall : I hope you're enjoying it anyway :)
18.01.38 #       <TA> The eyesight goes first ... :)
18.01.41 #       <Agima> Talk about ANYTHING :)
18.01.43 #       <alanwall> Arvid:1 hour north of SF
18.01.54 #       <[X_MaN]> TA:Nixon is the reason the help team exists in a roundabout sort of way
18.02.07 #       <Arvid> <-- has actually been here six and one half hours
18.02.15 #       <Nixon^99> =)))
18.02.22 #       <TA> Arvid: No wonder I didn't see ya then ... 
18.02.23 #       <Arvid> alanwall: ah ok .. my son is on the other side of SF .. down in Morgan Hill
18.02.35 #       <Dave_C> 7.5 for me
18.02.40 #       <[X_MaN]> Nixon founder of Amirc undernet wow must be 4 years ago?  3 or 4 nix?
18.02.49 #       <TA> [X_MaN]: My old friend Richard Nixon needed some help in his days.
18.02.49 #       <alanwall> Arvid:not that far with lite traffic
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18.03.16 #       <Nixon^99> [X_MaN]: no idea
18.03.16 #       <Arvid> alanwall: he always gripes about the traffic as he goes to and from work in Palo Alto
18.03.18 #       <Dave_C> wb Chris
18.03.24 #       <[X_MaN]> TA:I meant our young Nixon here;)
18.03.31 #       <ChrisP> Thanks Dave
18.03.37 #       <[X_MaN]> Hi ChrisP
18.03.40 #       <Geomol> I'm going to bed. It's late here in Denmark.
18.03.42 #       <alanwall> Arvid:that IS a nasty drive!
18.03.45 #       <TA> Welcome to hell ChrisP 
18.03.47 #       <Geomol> Night all!
18.03.55 #       <[X_MaN]> Geomol:lol its later in Cyprus, gnight
18.03.56 #       <TA> night Geomol 
18.03.57 #       <Dave_C> G'night Geomol
18.04.01 #       <ChrisP> It is pretty warm here.
18.04.02 #       <alanwall> ciou
18.04.13 #       <Geomol> =) C ya!
18.04.27 #       <TA> oh, btw, exec is NOT going to be the kernel.
18.04.30 #       <Arvid> alanwall: he goes to work early .. 5AM I think, so he can be on hand for the east coast crowd as they hit his employer .. altavista
18.04.32 Part    Geomol
18.04.37 #       <Dave_C> TA: If you can get in touch w/ Casey, get him here or have him email me
18.04.46 #>>     "email dave_c" by Dave_C (davecook@host239.internettport.net)
18.05.14 #       <TA> Dave_C: OK, I will email him 
18.05.35 #       <alanwall> Arvid:he almost has to leave that early to get there by 7
18.05.35 #       <Kinners> TA: Thanks for clearing that up (about exec being the kernel)
18.05.37 #       <ChrisP> Even if exec isn't the kernal if it is based on it (ie. near real-time OS) I'll be happy.
18.05.41 #       <[X_MaN]> TA:for 4 or 5?
18.05.58 #       <[X_MaN]> TA:Will an Execlaike be used?
18.06.26 #       <Arvid> alanwall: I dunno for sure.  I think he wants to be at work before 7AM Pacific Time .. maybe earlier.  By that time altavista is getting 700 or so hits per second
18.06.31 #       <TA> What happened at Amiwest was that Bill M said AI knows that Exec is great and that the new kernal must be exec like.
18.07.09 #       <[X_MaN]> TA:oh, thats what had been said from the start since WOA, my god these rumours confuse things
18.07.28 #       <alanwall> TA:did not Carl say something about exec and rebol in 5
18.07.42 #       <RobSDA> TA:  Not going to be the bridge/OS4 kernal, or not going to be the Final/OS5 kernal?
18.08.47 #       <TA> alanwall: Yes, but again he was talking, at least to me, about exec-like that Havemose is working on.
18.08.55 #       * [X_MaN] must go to bed
18.08.57 #       <[X_MaN]> its too late
18.09.00 #       <alanwall> who here needs the irc logs from AmiWest?
18.09.05 #       <[X_MaN]> so I bid u all a good evening
18.09.16 #       <[X_MaN]> and take care of urselves
18.09.20 #       <Arvid> good night sweet dreams
18.09.22 #       <Nixon^99> [X_MaN]: nite x
18.09.36 #       <TA> RobSDA: Neither, OS4 is going to be a work in progress with alpha's and beta's until OS5 is out as far as they plan right now.
18.09.43 #       <[X_MaN]> thank yu all for ur support folks, lets make this a project to envy!
18.09.45 #       <alanwall> X-Man:nity
18.09.53 #       <TA> gnite xman
18.09.56 Quit    [X_MaN] (:Read error to [X_MaN][fm-3-04.cytanet.com.cy]: Connection reset by peer)
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18.10.14 #       <Trez> hi guys
18.10.19 #       <TA> welcome Trez 
18.10.20 #       <Agima> 'lo Trez
18.10.39 #       <alanwall> hiya Trez
18.11.01 #       <Arvid> <-- just hopes someone smarter than I (most everone) is here at 16 UTC Saturday
18.11.25 #       <Arvid> (most everyone)
18.11.28 #       <RobSDA> TA:  Okay.  That was the last I had heard that made sense.  Thanks for the confirmation.  The main thing that I hope they don't lose in our OS (besides the quick and stream-lined aspects) is the feeling that 'anything goes'.  Just so flexible between shell/GUI and ability to modify and add-on, etc.  My 2c.
18.12.09 #       <TA> That is what Bill was saying Havemose is working to keep.
18.12.32 #       <TA> what is 16 UTC?
18.13.03 #       <Kinners> Isn't UTC another name for GMT?
18.13.03 #       <Arvid> TA: that is about the time I'll be at a friend's house trying to get a new HD working on his A3000
18.13.12 #       <alanwall> TA:4pm gmt
18.13.31 #       <TA> ahhh, and you said almost everyone is smarter than you ... hah!
18.13.47 #       <TA> Dave_C: Casey has been emailed.
18.14.14 #       <TA> I need to get out in the world more ... then I'd know UTC.
18.14.15 #       <Nixon^99> are there any os4 pics illus other than the newtekniques ones?
18.14.21 #       <alanwall> Womble:gmt does not use day light saving?
18.15.04 #       <TA> Nixon^99: Those are all just renditions. Nothing firm or real yet in those pics.
18.15.09 Quit    Dave_C (:off to work... G'night all! Back tomorrow. 8^))
18.15.20 #       <Nixon^99> ok
18.15.24 #       <alanwall> Dave_C:later!
18.15.34 #       <Arvid> alanwall: UTC and its close relative GMT are worldwide time systems, no summer time
18.16.29 #       * RobSDA is glad that this channel has been created and that it is officially sanctioned by Amiga. I'll be dropping in from time to time... Gotta jam for now. Take care my fellow Amiga loving friends. (PS. I even made links to Amiga from http://www.alphaomega.org/links.html) :-)
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18.16.31 #       <TA> Did you guys all hear about the $250 million power ball players?
18.16.32 #       <DrJekyl> re
18.16.39 #       <Agima> 'lo Jekyl
18.16.41 #       <TA> DrJekyl: Welcome
18.16.42 #       <alanwall> Arvid:UCT is the right 1 I believe=Universal Coordinated Time
18.17.03 #       <Arvid> alanwall: depends on the language.  
18.17.09 #       <TA> There was 14 guys betting $10 US a month on powerball.
18.17.10 #       <DrJekyl> Q. why choose a channel name that the server strips a character out of on connect (*) ?
18.17.12 #       <Womble> alanwall: UTC is the standard name, though I think IBM may call it UCT
18.17.21 #       <Womble> DrJekyl: It's an AmIRC bug, not the server
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18.17.38 #       <Nixon^99> Viking Lotto Rulez!
18.17.39 #       <TA> One dropped out two months ago becauise his wife told him they would never win. This month the other 13 get to split $250 million plus.
18.17.39 #       <DrJekyl> Womble: ok, that answers that then :)
18.17.43 #       <Womble> DrJekyl: But I know it's annoying!
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18.18.05 #       <Arvid> TA: I know a lot of people who made contributions to that fund, but not me
18.18.06 #       <Womble> TA: What's the stake for Powerball?
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18.18.20 #       <Womble> Tut tut
18.18.39 #       <TA> It was just 250 plus million. Goes up as more people bet and each week without a winner.
18.19.03 #       <TA> It's like a 5 state lotto.
18.19.19 #       <Womble> I thought it was rather more than that. But what is the stake?
18.19.19 #       <Arvid> TA: ... I think 26 states
18.19.48 #       <Womble> I mean, how much is each ticket?
18.19.50 #       <TA> DrJekyl: If you get a chance, let the amirc author know about the bug. If enough iof us let him know, maybe he will fix it?
18.20.11 #       <TA> Womble: I think they are like a buck a number or something.
18.20.19 #       <TA> 6 numbers
18.20.22 #       <Arvid> Womble: $2 a ticket or maybe $1 .. 
18.20.24 #       <DrJekyl> Womble: BTW, this is a server fault. " It don't choose a different nick if one is being used ! "
18.20.34 #       <TA> Arvid: That may be more correct.
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18.21.10 #       <ChrisP> It's 1$ per ticket.
18.21.11 #       <Jekyl> re
18.21.14 #       <TA> The group that won are all Harley riders working in a machine shop. 12.6 million in one time payout.
18.21.15 #       <Arvid> TA: I heard today that a million people in Kansas bought tickets ... one million losers in this state alone
18.21.23 #       <Jekyl> TA no nead the bug is fixed in this version :)
18.21.37 #       <Jekyl> bye
18.21.39 Quit    Jekyl (:later all)
18.21.41 #       <TA> DrJekyl: What version?
18.22.06 #       <Womble> DrJekyl: Yes, I've found that with the server
18.22.08 #       <Agima> TA : Beta version I think. Failing that, the NetConnect 2 version
18.22.19 #       <Womble> DrJekyl: I don't what would cause that. Maybe the server is using the wrong error code?
18.22.52 #       <Womble> DrJekyl: It would be a bug for AmIRC to watch for only one type of error though
18.23.25 #       <TA> beta ... lucky guy.
18.23.49 #       <DrJekyl> <shamless plug> anyone read my review of NCv2 on the Amiga Universe site yet ?
18.24.07 #       <Womble> DrJekyl: Hmm, no it sends error 433 just like other servers
18.24.13 #       <TA> No, but I have heard good things in the rumblings that occur online.
18.24.22 #       <Agima> Jekyl : Seen the team.html page?
18.24.41 #       <DrJekyl> Agima: nope, no room to browse ATM :(
18.24.45 #       <TA> Agima: where at
18.25.03 #       <Agima> TA : The review is held on my site at http://www.amigauni.u-net.com/nc2review/nc2.html
18.25.12 #       <Agima> (Blame Jekyl for it not being called index.html ;)
18.25.19 #       <TA> hahah
18.25.32 #       <TA> at least you have someone to blame.
18.25.42 #       <Agima> And the team.html page is a list of the AU Team members. I wondered if Jekyl knew he was on it ;)
18.25.51 #       * Agima blames DrJ. for everything. Don't I m8y? :P
18.25.55 #       <DrJekyl> TA: it was the first review on-line and out before Amiga Format went out
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18.26.19 #       <TA> Competition is good!
18.26.28 #       <TA> Keeps everyone honest and working harder.
18.26.34 #       <TA> welcome quiver
18.26.39 >>>     "sview drjekyl" by Agima (Agima@p24.nas1.is2.u-net.net)
18.27.06 #       <alanwall> Yeah ask Bill G. about competition
18.27.27 #       <QUiVER> Ta: Thanks :) I read on the ANN about some eventual announcements to me released here today...
18.27.31 #       <Agima> TA : True, very true. :)
18.28.30 #       <Trez> does anyone know how the story is? did AI decide to go with the old exec kernel and update it or haven't they decided yet?
18.29.17 #       <TA> Trez: The exec kernel is NOT going to be used for OS4-5. Bill M merely said that what Exec is they want to keep an exec-like kernel going for the amigaNG
18.30.00 #       <TA> Trez: Also, the best place for actual facts is on http://www.amigainc.com or if you belong to the ICOA.
18.30.02 #       <Agima> alanwall : You sure that's a good idea? He might sue ;)
18.30.19 >>>     "sview" by Agima (Agima@p24.nas1.is2.u-net.net)
18.31.00 #       <TA> If you guys see stuff in the nesgroups that isn't there, ask them for a source for their info.
18.31.08 #       <TA> newsgroups even.
18.31.55 #       <Trez> ta: well, I looked at amigainc yesterday... couldn't find any NEW news
18.32.24 #       <TA> I keep seeing strange things in the newsgroups and wondering where it is coming from. It certainly isn't on the AI site yet.
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18.35.37 #       <TA> Most of the people you will see here are pretty heads up. So if they are saying it, it is probably true. Otherwise ... just laugh.
18.36.47 #       <TA> alanwall: Have you chatted with Gio or RLV recently?
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18.37.09 #       <DrJekyl> Q. anyone heard of / seen the AWA ?
18.37.31 #       <Agima> DrJekyl: Nope, where is it? ;)
18.37.38 #       <DrJekyl> /slap Agima 
18.37.46 #       <Agima> :)
18.37.59 #       <Agima> /punch DrJekyl
18.38.22 #       <DrJekyl> I take it thats a no then ? 
18.38.39 #       <Agima> AWA - http://www. (I'll let Jekyl finish off :)
18.39.16 #       <Agima> Right, it's been real, people. I'll see you all later :)
18.39.26 #       <TA> come back when ya have more time.
18.39.31 #       <DrJekyl> Agima: I wasn't after a plug. It was a genuine Q.
18.39.42 #       <DrJekyl> nite Agima :)
18.39.57 #       <Agima> Jekyl : To which I gave a genuine answer. The URL (or the bit I remember anyway (ducks ;))
18.39.59 Quit    Agima (:Amiga Universe magazine - «http://www.amigauni.u-net.com» - The place to be!)
18.42.05 #       <TA> One of the powerball winners said she is gonna buy a tricked out Harley like her boyfriends. Another said 12.6 mill buys a lot of hash and a great party.
18.42.34 #       <TA> That is going to be one heck of a bash ... :)
18.42.42 #       <DrJekyl> :)
18.42.49 #       <Arvid> geez ,, a LOT of hash
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18.43.02 #       <TA> welcome back Jamesc 
18.43.22 #       <Jamesc> Thanks... Just a quick Reboot! :)
18.43.54 #       <DrJekyl> TA: so who actually runs the channel, besides yourself ?
18.43.59 #       <Womble> TA: I take it the remainder is paid annually?
18.44.10 #       * Womble shows off his hat to DrJekyl
18.44.22 #       <TA> Womble: No, they opted for an instant cash deal of 12.6 million after taxes each.
18.44.37 #       <Womble> TA: Oh, so it's not really $250m at all
18.45.22 #       <TA> DrJekyl: The CNet beta testers set up the channel for Team AMIGA. We invited the JMS to come and join us. They developed the idea of a help channel. 
18.45.39 #       <TA> So, it's a hodge podge of groups and people all working together.
18.45.41 #       <alanwall> TA:no other than the normal ml stuff
18.45.56 #       <DrJekyl> TA: gotcha :)
18.46.23 #       <TA> Womble: had they taken it for life or whatever, 250 mill. A one time shot after taxes was 12.6 times 13.
18.46.50 #       * DrJekyl points out to alanwall that <tab> completion adds a <space> after the nick ;)
18.47.11 #       <Arvid> TA so each one gets about what Bill Gates spends on lunch 
18.47.47 #       <TA> Arvid: Isn't that a shame ... If WE had won that 250 million, we could have bought the amiga from gateway.
18.47.54 #       <Arvid> heh
18.48.09 #       <Arvid> or go to some really fine restaurants
18.48.15 #       <TA> I bet $2 a week on the texas lotto. If I ever win, that si what I am going to do.
18.48.18 #       <DrJekyl> TA: or taken a big chunck of g2K ;)
18.49.06 #       <Arvid> time for me to go .. been here over seven hours .. tomorrow from Topeka KS trying to get the big HD working on the A3000
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18.49.16 #       <TA> DrJekyl: No, I want to buy the Amiga rights and get the old people back (the ones left) as well as some of our newer stars, turn them loose in a controlled fashion, and let them work their collective magic for us again.
18.49.45 #       <DrJekyl> TA: nice dream :)
18.49.50 #       <TA> see ya arvid!
18.50.02 #       * DrJekyl goes and gets a block of cheese from the fridge ;)
18.50.23 #       <TA> DrJekyl: Put them in a rom and not let them come out until they have the magic working again.
18.50.40 #       <TA> room even
18.50.47 #       <DrJekyl> TA: what is AI worth today ?
18.51.01 #       <TA> too damn much for this poor country boy.
18.51.14 #       <TA> maybe $30 million?
18.51.52 #       <DrJekyl> last I heard G2k was in a spot of a financial dispair !
18.51.53 #       <alanwall> TA;read that gw only paid 18 so may be to hi
18.52.24 #       <TA> DrJekyl: Gateway isn't in any finacial trouble that I know of and I watch them everyday on the ticker.
18.52.49 #       <TA> alanwall: But I would pay 30 if I had it, just to feel the dream again.
18.52.51 #       <DrJekyl> TA: as I said, that's what I heared :)
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18.53.50 #       <DrJekyl> hi portnoy 
18.53.55 #       <TA> welcome portnoy 
18.53.55 #       <portnoy> Hi
18.54.10 #       <alanwall> hidey
18.55.01 #       <DrJekyl> TA: seen the new Genesis TCP stack yet ?
18.55.07 #       <TA> DrJekyl: Matter of fact, there is some talk about the money brokers saying Gateway would be good for a takeover because of their assets right now.
18.55.27 #       <TA> But Ted has said he isn't interested at all.
18.55.44 #       <alanwall> yeah but $ talks
18.55.47 #       <DrJekyl> TA: to tell the truth, I'm happy as they are ATM 
18.56.00 #       <TA> DrJekyl: Not yet? Who is doing that one?
18.56.12 #       <DrJekyl> TA: it's done ! :)
18.56.30 #       <TA> where is it at and is it as easy as Miami?
18.56.30 #       <DrJekyl> I'm using it now (public reliece)
18.56.53 #       <TA> I just love trying new stuff ... 
18.57.04 #       <DrJekyl> TA: take a look at Agimas web site, there is a review on there.
18.57.13 #       <TA> My hard drives wouldn't feel right wiothout a weekly crash or two.
18.57.20 #       <DrJekyl> TA it's better (and easier) tnan Miami IMHO
18.58.05 #       <alanwall> Dr:easier?how?it's easy enuf now
18.58.41 #       <DrJekyl> TA: it gives you more controll than miami, has more fetures and has been optimised to be more efficiant than miami.   But, we have still to see Miani Deluxe
18.59.27 #       <TA> I am impressed then.
18.59.48 #       <DrJekyl> Any of you here heard of a UK Amiga magazine called Amiga Format ?
18.59.59 #       <alanwall> yes
19.00.03 #       <TA> DrJekyl: Yeppers
19.00.16 #       <DrJekyl> It was releiced today and was gived 96¼ by them
19.00.36 #       <DrJekyl> it got 94% on the on-line review
19.00.37 #       <TA> DrJekyl: Look for a Team AMIGA feature in the next issue I think.
19.00.46 #       <TA> :)
19.00.51 #       <portnoy> Easier than Miami? What are we talking about here?
19.00.58 #       <TA> genisis
19.01.12 #       <TA> DrJekyl: Is it on aminet yet?
19.01.23 #       <DrJekyl> TA: no.
19.01.42 #       <alanwall> DrJekyl:where would I find Genesis?
19.01.46 #       <DrJekyl> TA: i'm not sure if / when a public demo will be out
19.02.40 #       <DrJekyl> alanwall: http://www.active-net.co.uk  is the genesis home publishers page
19.03.05 #       <DrJekyl> and http://www.amigauni.u-net.com has the online review
19.03.15 #       <TA> well guys I need to run for about an hour. Wife wants to go out to eat. will be back a little later.
19.03.22 #       <alanwall> Dr:thanks,now all I have to do is get a browser running again
19.03.35 #       <DrJekyl> bed time for me... 03.oo am BST
19.03.52 #       <alanwall> Ta:talk to u later about $ things
19.03.53 #       <TA> alanwall: How is your 2000? Did ya get everyone fixed after the crash at Amiwest?
19.03.59 #       <DrJekyl> nita all.
19.04.13 #       <TA> everything even?
19.04.17 #       <alanwall> Ta:still putting back together
19.04.36 #       <TA> alanwall: Dang, I bet that sucks big time. It was pretty trashed then.
19.04.49 #       <DrJekyl> BTW I can usually be reached on arcnet #amiga if you need any more info. But not now as I'm off to bed :)
19.04.51 #       <DrJekyl> nite all
19.04.59 #       <TA> see DrJekyl 
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19.05.17 #       <alanwall> TA;yeah turns out the staff unpligged during the banquet
19.05.56 #       <TA> alanwall: That was what I thought had happened ... while it was processing something of Casey's I think in background.
19.06.15 #       <alanwall> yeah the webcam script
19.06.34 #       <TA> I should have stood guard all nite, slept with it or something ... :)
19.07.11 #       <TA> My 3000 would have been jealous though.
19.07.20 #       <alanwall> never thoght about something like that happening
19.07.38 #       <alanwall> back in 1
19.07.58 #       <TA> anyways, the wife is yelling so I will be back in about an hour.
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19.12.27 #       <alanwall> before I leave,anybody have any idea why I'm gettting a lot of CRC when I delha a file from the web?
19.15.11 #       <alanwall> ok,guess not-later
19.15.16 #       <Kinners> alanwall: Do you mean download, or is delha a command or something?
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19.15.58 #       <Kinners> hmm... to late
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19.33.03 #       <murph> Hi all.  How goes it?
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19.33.34 #       <Womble> Slow, murph. Slow.
19.33.37 #       <Womble> Hi HammerD 
19.33.38 #       <HammerD> re
19.33.40 #       <HammerD> what's up
19.33.43 #       <HammerD> kinda dead here eh?
19.33.44 #       <murph> Hi HammerD
19.33.45 #       <Womble> Not a lot.
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19.33.57 #       <HammerD> hmmm
19.33.58 #       <HammerD> hi murph
19.34.50 #       <Kinners> Hammerd: Your an hour late :)
19.35.03 #       <Womble> Just pick up some of your drug of choice, and chill....
19.35.09 #       <Womble> (Mine's caffeine, currently.)
19.35.44 #       <HammerD> kinners: for what?
19.36.05 #       <Kinners> Hammerd: There was a lot more people here an hour ago
19.36.17 #       <HammerD> kinners: oh. well there are more on ANET than here....
19.41.41 #       <Womble> So anyone want some help?
19.42.19 #       <Kinners> Help me destory my PC
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19.51.17 #       <Womble> Destroy your PC? Why?
19.51.55 #       <Kinners> Because it is the most annoying thing I have ever used
19.52.32 #       <Kinners> Of course, I would probably lose my job, so it isn't such a great idea :)
19.53.29 #       <HammerD> what is your job?
19.54.21 #       <Kinners> Programming.  It is probably the luckiest thing that has ever happened to me (getting that job), because I'm not all that great a programmer :)
19.54.33 #       <Womble> Kinners: What, are you at work now?
19.55.52 #       <Kinners> Womble: No, I work from home.  It's just a small job, but I have an illness, so I wouldn't be able to do many other jobs
19.56.00 #       <Womble> I see
19.56.29 #       <Womble> I'm looking for a job at the moment, and suspect I will have to be using Windoze NiceTry in that
19.56.37 #       <Womble> :-(
19.56.40 #       <HammerD> why are you on a PC?
19.56.44 #       <HammerD> womble you are in the uK?
19.56.51 #       <Womble> I'm in the UK
19.57.01 #       <Womble> Why is who on a PC?
19.57.01 #       <Kinners> I'm struggling with Visual Basic, which has it's pros and cons.  Though the last few days I have been doing a fair ammount of arexx, and I really like think it is a neat language
19.57.34 #       <HammerD> kinners
19.58.05 #       <Kinners> HammerD: Because the company I work for uses Scala, and sometime it won't be possible to buy new Amigas (we actually buy second hand 1200's sometimes), and Scala IC500 is very old
19.59.09 #       <HammerD> ok
20.02.55 #       <Kinners> Womble: Just thought of a question.  In C, if you have 'STRPTR text = "INFO: bla bla bla";' is this valid? - 'if ( *(ULONG *) text == 'INFO') ...'
20.09.54 #       <Womble> Not really
20.10.25 #       <Womble> It's certainly not portable
20.11.26 #       <Womble> It may well work on a certain compiler on a certain architecture, but that's all that can be said. I think the ANSI C standard probably says that the behaviour of that code is 'undefined'.
20.11.35 #       <Kinners> hmm ok, thanks
20.12.03 #       <Womble> It's a pain to make loads of strncmp calls for stuff like this, but it's really the only way.
20.12.27 #       <Womble> Some compilers (e.g. GNU C) can in-line such calls for you as an optimisation, so it's not bad.
20.13.45 #       <Kinners> Yes, I use vbcc.  I don't know how well it compares with GNU C, but it can inline stuff
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20.16.16 #       <Womble> Hi TB
20.16.21 #       <Womble> Voice? Why?
20.16.40 #       <TB> Hi... coz Im a nice guy :)
20.16.58 #       <Womble> But, but, this channel isn't moderated
20.17.30 #       <TB> It was put there so I was aloud to speak always, but not aloud to take control.
20.19.12 #       <HammerD> re TB
20.19.23 #       <TB> HI Hamster type dude.
20.20.21 #       <TB> Damn, still no updates bout the Ozy shpw
20.22.10 #       <TB> I wonder how many people havw tried to get here but couldnt
20.22.35 #       <Womble> I didn't know about that - when is it?
20.22.36 #       <Kinners> Here as in this channel?
20.22.47 #       <TB> Kin: yeah
20.22.52 #       <TB> Wom: 3 weeks after Ohio
20.23.00 #       <Womble> And when is Ohio?
20.23.07 #       <TB> Star6t of October
20.23.37 #       <Womble> *Ages* away, then
20.23.46 #       <TB> Not that far off, couple months
20.34.43 #       <TB> Dosnt a help channel need like...someone who can help? :)
20.35.05 #       <Kinners> TB: There were a lot more people a couple of hours ago
20.35.23 #       <Womble> Actually we could do with more people looking for help
20.35.47 #       <Kinners> Perhaps the people that need the most help don't use IRC?
20.36.13 #       <TB> Well, if thier quaestion is "My machine doesnt work" this channel wont help ;) hehe
20.36.24 #       <Womble> "How do I get on IRC?"
20.36.28 #       <TB> :)
20.36.40 #       <Kinners> "What's IRC?"
20.37.03 #       <TB> NO speaky'da'english
20.37.19 #       <Kinners> :))
20.39.31 #       <Kinners> Perhaps a mailing list should be set up, strictly for help?
20.39.36 #       <Womble> Aaargh everything on my PC is seg-faulting....
20.39.57 #       <TB> PC? :)
20.40.16 #       <Womble> Yes, the machine next to this one
20.40.56 #       <Womble> Hmm, I think it may be a kernel bug :-(
20.41.51 #       <Kinners> Linux?
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20.42.08 #       <Womble> I run only Linux on my PC, and I'm using the development kernels, some of which are not so stable as one expects of the main versions
20.42.31 #       <Womble> Sorry, that last sentence wasn't very grammatical.
20.42.54 #       <Kinners> Like I care :)
20.43.09 #       <Kinners> My writing isn't exactly top class.
20.43.11 #       <Womble> Time to get some patches and try a new version ;-)
20.44.38 #       <TB> I can only IRC on my biggest and smallest machine which is funny.  The middle ones couldnt do it in a million years :)
20.44.55 #       <TB> Me fail english? Thats unpossible :)
20.44.56 #       <Womble> Why, what are they?
20.45.17 #       <TB> 1200/Psion :)
20.46.39 #       <Womble> What are the middle ones, I meant
20.47.00 #       <TB> 600, 2xCD32 :)
20.47.20 #       <Womble> Why??
20.47.53 #       <Womble> Horrid little machines
20.48.01 #       <TB> Naaa... handy
20.48.23 #       <Kinners> "In fact, the drive by Microsoft to fold more and more function
20.48.23 #       <Kinners>                  into its operating system has proven a tremendous boon to
20.48.23 #       <Kinners>                  consumers. With each release of a new operating system, the
20.48.23 #       <Kinners>                  cost per feature of computers goes down, even as their
20.48.23 #       <Kinners>                  power, versatility and ease of use goes up.
20.48.29 #       <Kinners> Whoops
20.48.57 #       <Womble> Yeah, yeah, and Microsoft must be free to "innovate" (read: steal)
20.49.15 #       <Kinners> I'm just reading some stuff on the Boycott Microsoft web site
20.49.25 #       <Womble> Right
20.50.24 #       <Kinners> Of course, I find most of the features they add are pointless, and just annoy me
20.50.48 #       <TB> Features? :)
20.51.00 #       <Kinners> ok, bugs :)
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20.51.09 #       <Womble> bbl
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20.51.13 #       <Commando_> re
20.51.18 #       <TB> hi
20.51.29 #       <Kinners> howdy
20.52.20 #       <Commando_> this is Casey Halverson, if anyone knows me...
20.52.30 #       <Commando_> hello TB, Kinners
20.52.59 #       <TB> com: You fix the UGN Kiosk dude?
20.53.15 #       <Commando_> tb: yup.. that was me.
20.53.24 #       <TB> Good, I was who made it :)
20.53.35 #       <TB> I didnt have time to fix it myself.
20.53.38 #       <Kinners> I better go, see you all later
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20.56.24 #       <TB> Nothing like AmigaScala to be anoying.
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20.57.36 #       <TB> Hi Gary
20.57.44 #       <TA> hello TB
20.57.58 #       <TA> what's happening in the real world?
20.58.11 #       <TB> Silly question to ask us :)
20.58.44 #       <TA> why's that? You ARE the man!!
20.59.07 #       <Womble> Hi Gary
20.59.31 #       <TA> hey Ben!
20.59.35 #       <TA> Jamesc
20.59.37 #       <TB> Yeah, but im a man with no life.  Example.  Im in a pitch black room at 3pm with the curtins and blinds drawn wearing trackpants typing on IRC :)
21.00.07 #       <TA> heh! Now all you need is a blonde bombshell to help you type.
21.00.29 #       <TB> That would be me :)
21.01.15 #       <TA> Are you ever going to get to make the flight to one of the WOA's?
21.02.11 #       <TB> Be nice but cant afford it.  Cant even afford t go to the Ozy show :(
21.02.30 #       <TA> Make Bubba Wayne spring for ya?
21.03.42 #       <TA> we'll have to start calling you "The Shadow" if ya don't make a public appearance soon.
21.04.05 #       <TB> Im known for being anonymous here as well, so its not to different :)
21.04.41 #       <TA> I spent way too much going to Amiwest, but it was really fun and worth it in the end.
21.05.13 #       <TB> Well, not even the Might sc00by can pay 2.5k for me :)
21.05.47 #       <TA> finally meeting some of my online friends was a tremendous feeling. Now I need to get to London to meet Womble and up north to meet Gio and some others.
21.06.17 #       <TA> ouch! is that what a ticket costs?
21.06.44 #       <TB> Yup. And thats not including Passport/Goverment payments or food/accomodations either
21.07.53 #       <Commando_> TB: well, in the future, make sure you save them as IFFs (the rendered images)
21.08.07 #       <TA> Here's a funny one to try and figure out ... Houston to Heathrow - $1500. Houston to Koln - 2500?
21.08.23 #       <Commando_> TB: no offense, but its not a good idea to have anti-alias at high, and render 1000+ characters and images on a screen .. just doesn't work ;-)
21.08.27 #       <TB> com: I was going to, but It was during exams, and I promisied Wayne I would have a 'running version' ready even if it was crap.
21.08.31 #       <Commando_> TB: OHHH!!!
21.08.33 #       <Commando_> TB: i see.
21.08.41 #       <Commando_> TB: ok .. just wanted to make sure
21.09.04 #       <TB> Dont worry, Im an expert at that multimedia stuff... I got it covered ;)
21.09.18 #       <TB> Man, thank god I had an 040 when making it :)
21.09.43 #       <Womble> TA: If you don't make it here, I'll probably come to you at some point.
21.10.33 #       <TA> That would be cool. The new a/c unit in my house killed my Koln plans. Maybe London too.  :(
21.10.48 #       <TB> a/c?
21.10.55 #       <TB> Oh, Air Conditioning :)
21.11.05 #       <TB> Damn american abeviations :)
21.11.14 #       <TA> yeah. Mine blew up with 100 degree heat going down.
21.11.45 #       <TB> Its so hot down here it aint funny...which is odd, very odd.
21.12.19 #       <TB> It gets upto 77.0 fahrenheit here some days!
21.12.53 #       <TA> we are almost smoking here in Texas. 77!!! Try 100 plus 80% humidity. You can walk outside and melt little people it's so hot.
21.12.55 #       <TA> :)
21.13.06 #       <Commando_> TB: i do a lot of neat arexx-internet-scala stuff... lots of fun
21.13.11 #       <TB> You do realise its the middle of winter and should be snowing here right?
21.13.35 #       <TA> ahhh. We should trade weather then.
21.13.44 #       <TB> Com: I normal uses ScalaMM200 on the PC.  Nicer to use for quaick results, but the Amiga ones got a snappeir feel.
21.14.22 #       <TB> TA: If its 77 here now, whats it going to be in Summer!  Its only spozed to be like 40 degrees here now!
21.15.17 #       <TB> com: That realy didnt make to much sence :)
21.15.53 #       <Commando_> TB: well, the amiga version makes good for real-time information systems, closed-circuit tv, etc.
21.16.14 #       <TB> com: yeah, you dont need 128megs of ram and a P2 to make stuff scroll :)
21.17.48 #       <Womble> You just need some paper and rollers, actually.
21.18.24 #       <Womble> I went to a meeting of the computer society where the aim was for people to bring along spare hardware and build a complete server out of it
21.18.42 #       <TA> TB: what are you building now?
21.19.06 #       <Womble> Someone brought along a little Quickcam-like thing and then a few of us carried a banner past it to provide a scrolling message ;-)
21.19.15 #       <TB> Sorry, TopSecret :)
21.19.18 #       <Womble> I don't know what happened to the recording
21.19.34 #       <TA> Womble: That is a pretty neat trick!
21.20.38 #       <TB> In fact, Im making to much stuff...
21.20.41 #       <TA> I wish they would take Red Lobster ads off tv. They are advertising a 30 shrimp dinner for only $9.95 ... naturally the place is closed for the nite now.
21.21.05 #       <TA> TB: Beware of compiling nuclear waste with a pc.
21.22.34 #       <TB> MS Nuclear waste.
21.23.27 #       <TA> Remember, NT brings US Nuclear subs to a halt.
21.25.42 #       <Womble> Not yet
21.26.00 #       <Womble> There is a saying, "If Microsoft made weapons, war would be accidental"
21.26.13 #       <TA> hahaha
21.26.36 #       <Womble> I would prefer "impossible"
21.27.48 #       <TA> I wonder if Bill Gates still wants to own the internet?
21.28.44 #       <TA> He was on a late night talk show "Larry King Live" here and made the statement that if he could have anything in the world it would be ownership of the internet.
21.29.30 #       <TA> He even knew what services he would need to buy (MCI, UUNet, etc) to gain control of it.
21.29.44 #       <TA> I didn't know whether to be amazed or scared.
21.30.07 #       <Commando_> tb: (reference to scrolling) i do much prettier displays then scrolling.. shesh
21.31.04 #       * Commando_ knows a secret.
21.32.00 #       <TA> if you tell us will you have to kill us?  :)
21.32.21 #       <Commando_> ta: are you all for it?  did you get an email from tekmage?
21.32.29 #       <Commando_> ta: don't mention it in the channel ;-)
21.32.31 #       <TA> no I didn't?
21.32.37 #       <Commando_> Bill Bosari? 
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21.32.58 #       <Seed> Hi
21.33.04 #       <TA> hey Seed 
21.33.07 #       <Commando_> ta: oh, then you are in for a suprise ;-)
21.33.20 #       <Seed> Hello TA
21.33.28 #       <TA> good, I like surprises.
21.35.47 #       <TA> checked again, no mail from Bill. Now my feelings are hurt.  :)
21.36.00 #       <Seed> Bill? :)
21.36.01 #       <Commando_> ta: he was supposed to send it to you...
21.36.11 #       <Commando_> ta: oh, and can i officially join team amiga?  
21.36.11 #       <TA> Commando_: You just missed Alan Crandall BTW.
21.36.29 #       <Commando_> ta: damn!  i wanted to say hi.
21.36.46 #       <TA> Commando_: You already have. And thanks for helping at Amiwest.
21.36.48 #       <Commando_> ta: is his computer working yet?
21.37.05 #       <Commando_> ta: ok, cool... well, i am going to get you some BIG PR ... 
21.37.21 #       <TA> Commando_: He said he was piecing it back together ... :) I feel sorry for him after that clown waiter unplugged him while it was running.
21.37.52 #       <TA> Commando_: You aren't gonna blow up that damn hotel are you?  :)
21.38.03 #       <Commando_> TA: no .. not planing yet..
21.38.14 #       <Commando_> TA: uhmm... UGN is the next event.
21.38.35 #       <Commando_> TA: NOT UGN.
21.38.37 #       <TA> hahaha, those guys/gals had that Deer in the headlight look the whole time all us Amigan's were there.
21.38.38 #       <Commando_> TA: MAE ;-)
21.38.55 #       <Commando_> TA: we will propose to work with UGN... 
21.39.04 #       <TA> Commando_: Yeppers, Mae. I am trying to get enough cash together to get there.
21.39.31 #       <TA> Commando_: That is supposed to be the plan after our conference at Amiwest.
21.39.47 #       <Commando_> ta: cool... because you will like it there... we propose a UGN + TA joint effort to do something very special ... something which we should keep secret .... 
21.40.21 #       <TA> Commando_: Kidnap Bill Gates and make him watch the Amiga do what he couldn't do?
21.41.10 #       <Commando_> ta: hahah.. no .. aww fuck .. if bill bosari hasn't gotten off his fucking ass and mailed you, i think i'll just priv msg the damn thing... and act suprised when he mails you
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21.41.48 #       <Seed> Hi AmigaNUKE
21.41.53 #       <AmigaNUKE> Hi Seed.
21.41.54 #       <TA> hey Nuke
21.42.16 #       <AmigaNUKE> This is interesting.  Amazing what you can find by reading newsletters.  :)
21.44.53 #       <TA> what did ya find Nuke?
21.45.27 #       <AmigaNUKE> This... this network... the Official Team AMIGA IRC site.
21.45.30 #       <AmigaNUKE> :)
21.45.45 #       <TA> ahhh ... yes, it was really busy earlier.
21.45.45 #       <Seed> AmigaNUKE :)
21.46.05 #       <Seed> TA: how many came?
21.46.22 #       <TA> about 20 earlier I think.
21.46.33 #       <TA> 15-20 anyways.
21.46.34 #       <Seed> TA: I was here when the channel was 1 hour old :) there were 20 or so. Did it get bigger after?
21.46.47 #       <TA> not while I was here.
21.47.01 #       <TA> But that is good for a new deal springing up.
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21.47.19 #       <AmigaNUKE> Hi TA.  :)
21.47.34 #       <TA> heh!
21.48.32 #       <TA> and meet Womble from the JMS and TB from the UGN too.
21.50.42 #       <AmigaNUKE> So... anyone have their Amigas set up as a web server?  (http daemon)
21.51.10 #       <Womble> I don't see the point
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21.51.22 #       <Womble> Run servers on a server OS...
21.52.09 #       <Womble> AmigaOS is great for personal stuff, but as a server it just doesn't cut it
21.52.40 #       <Commando_> oh yes, an amiga makes a great internet server..
21.52.51 #       <AmigaNUKE> What I'm talking about is the httpd stuff for AmTCP or MiamiTCP.
21.52.54 #       <Commando_> i've written most of my server software in ARexx though..
21.52.54 #       <Womble> That said, I suppose it may be useful for testing if it's what you've got
21.53.03 #       <Commando_> ARexxWebServer, etc.
21.53.19 #       <Commando_> ReXXMaiL -- hotmail server for the amiga
21.53.21 #       <AmigaNUKE> Ah.  The only one I saw on AmiNet was GAWD.lha.
21.53.27 #       <Commando_> RexxProxy -- ARexx proxy
21.53.35 #       <Womble> There's Apache for AmigaOS
21.53.36 #       <Commando_> AWS is a good web server too
21.53.44 #       <AmigaNUKE> What's Apache?
21.53.53 #       <Commando_> ARexxWebServer is only a few kilobytes though .. 
21.54.07 #       <Womble> Apache is the most popular web server on the Internet, and quite flexible
21.54.12 #       * AmigaNUKE nods.  That's about the size of the GAWD server.
21.54.33 #       <Seed> AmigaNUKE: try Apache. It's harder to set up, but the best
21.54.36 #       <Womble> It's meant for Unix but it's been ported to NT and AmigaOs
21.54.46 #       <Womble> It'll be slower than the simpler ones though
21.54.52 #       <Womble> (probably)
21.55.04 #       <Commando_> amiganuke: imho, amigas do a very nice job as internet servers..
21.55.14 #       <Commando_> amiganuke: not to mention the great security... 
21.55.19 #       <Womble> Commando_: For what sort of volume
21.55.25 #       <Commando_> amiganuke: just be careful with a 28.8 connection..
21.55.28 #       <Seed> Security is an issue, yes
21.55.37 #       <Commando_> womble: any volume really, just don't do it on a 28.8 for god's sake
21.55.38 #       <AmigaNUKE> My ftp server is pretty neat.  Impressed some of the local PeeCee users.
21.56.02 #       <Womble> Commando_: No, really, what sort of web or mail load can you handle on an Amiga?
21.56.13 #       <Seed> AmigaNUKE: what do you use for FTP?
21.56.30 #       <Commando_> womble: not really?!  what makes the amiga any different?  its freebsd code for god's sake
21.56.31 #       <AmigaNUKE> Let me find out the right name...
21.56.51 #       <AmigaNUKE> wu-ftpd
21.56.53 #       <Commando_> womble: it can handle the load approprate for your CPU and connection speed
21.57.11 #       <AmigaNUKE> I've been having an interesting time trying to configure it though.
21.57.15 #       <Commando_> i run ftp, telnet, smtp, httpd, rexxmail, rexxproxy, rexxinternetdevice, rexxmessageboard, popd, several muds, etc.
21.57.20 #       <Womble> Commando_: Well, it doesn't schedule disk access or cache data blocks, for one thing
21.57.37 #       <Commando_> womble: you can write your software accordingly... 
21.57.57 #       <Womble> Commando_: But you said your were using BSD code. Make your mind up.
21.58.03 #       <Commando_> womble: i, personally, have written ALL of my internet software, with the acception of TelnetD and ftpd
21.58.03 #       <Womble> s/your/you/
21.58.22 #       <Commando_> womble: dumbass, miami and AmiTCP ARE FreeBSD code!!
21.58.34 #       <Womble> Commando_: No, they are not.
21.58.42 #       <Seed> Miami?? :)
21.59.02 #       <Commando_> womble: YES THEY ARE. 
21.59.04 #       <Womble> Commando_: They are based on 4.2BSD and 4.4BSD resp. Not FreeBSD. And don't call me dumbass.
21.59.11 #       <AmigaNUKE> Eeek.  I did't mean to start an argument.
21.59.29 #       <Commando_> womble: BSD/FreeBSD ... pretty much the same.... they all have very similar tcp/ip cores.
21.59.33 #       <AmigaNUKE> Deep breaths, everyone.  ;)
21.59.40 #       <Seed> :)
21.59.51 #       <Womble> And... *relax*.
22.00.11 #       * AmigaNUKE chuckles.
22.00.15 #       <Commando_> womble: and maybe you should actually attempt heavy server operations and proper software before you start degrading the amiga's networking abillities.. 
22.00.16 #       <Womble> Commando_: Oh, and swap the 4.2 and 4.4.
22.00.27 #       <Commando_> womble: they all have pretty much the same core.
22.01.12 #       <Womble> Commando_: Uh-huh. Well, the Amiga's scheduling is not really what you want for a multi-user system, which is what a networked server effectively is.
22.02.18 #       <Commando_> womble: if you use proper software, you can handle that scheduling via binding the socket.... handle/cache all disk access or do whatever..
22.02.57 #       <Commando_> womble: of course, you are goignn to have to write your own software.. 
22.03.06 #       <Commando_> womble: i have yet to see true networked server software
22.03.11 #       <Womble> Commando_: It also lacks multi-user privilege stuff, so any server bug becomes a serious security risk.
22.03.31 #       <Commando_> womble: i avoid bugs to begin with .... ;-)  
22.03.44 #       <Womble> Commando_: Right, you have to write your own stuff from scratch, and reinvent the wheel to do stuff that the OS probably ought to do. So it's not a good server OS.
22.03.46 #       <Commando_> womble: oh, speaking of which, doesn't multiuser file system solve any of those problems?
22.03.48 #       <AmigaNUKE> I've seen lots of "Multi-user" stuff, but I haven't bothered with it yet.
22.04.05 #       <Commando_> womble: writing a httpd server is reinventing the wheel?! 
22.04.07 #       <Womble> Commando_: Not really.
22.04.36 #       <Womble> Commando_: I mean, implementing disk caching stuff in each of your own programs
22.04.50 #       <Commando_> womble: as long as you don't put holes into software, the amiga makes an excelent server, with the exception of giving someone DIRECT shell access.
22.04.57 #       <Womble> Commando_: And of course you can never do as well as a system-wide disk cache that makes use of otherwise free memory
22.05.01 #       <Commando_> womble: Disk caching isn't that hard.. 
22.05.18 #       <Commando_> womble: and there are programs which do that at the AmigaDOS level
22.05.44 #       <Womble> Commando_: Right, so you have to apply a load of patches to the OS.
22.05.58 #       <Womble> Commando_: You're still saying it's just fine as a server OS?
22.06.04 #       <Commando_> womble: one simple disk caching "patch" ... 
22.06.15 #       <Commando_> womble: i used it for my BBS, and had a massive performance increase.
22.06.18 #       <Commando_> womble: yes, i am still saying.
22.06.22 #       <TA> Is NT really that much better?
22.06.22 #       <Womble> Commando_: And multi-user, and maybe Executive to sort out the scheduler....
22.06.53 #       <Womble> Since NT runs on much faster hardware, in reality I think it probably is.
22.07.05 #       <Commando_> womble: yes, it does... 
22.07.17 #       <Commando_> womble: intel is quite fast (^)
22.07.29 #       <Womble> I would prefer to use Linux or maybe FreeBSD for an Internet server though.
22.07.33 #       <TA> but still has security issues.
22.07.46 #       <Commando_> womble: however, it makes a good internet server still.. of course, i am NOT talking about runninng a T3 into it, nor it being ann ISP
22.07.52 #       <Womble> Right, security and NT don't really go together
22.08.19 #       <Commando_> womble: i have been very  happy with my system performance ... 
22.08.28 #       <Womble> Commando_: Well, it'll do, if it's what you've got.
22.08.51 #       <Commando_> womble: i don't have 10 million hits a day..
22.09.04 #       <Womble> Commando_: I'd be interested to see what sort of real throughput you could get. perhaps you could test it under AmigaOS and then udner Linux/m68k for comparison?
22.09.21 #       <Commando_> womble: with similar processing speeds, sure.
22.09.42 #       <Commando_> womble: oh, m68k i see
22.09.49 #       <Commando_> womble: well, that would really be a fun test.. 
22.09.54 #       <Commando_> i gotta go take a shower, brb.
22.10.00 #       <Womble> Seeya
22.10.10 #       <Womble> Phew, it's 6am here
22.10.16 #       <Womble> Still haven't finished reading news
22.10.30 #       <TA> yeah, midnite here at least.
22.10.51 #       <Commando_> its 10pm here
22.10.58 #       <TA> Womble: Planning a visit to the states?
22.11.19 #       <TA> damn, my wolf puppy is gnawing on my foot.
22.12.01 #       <TA> let me get a shoe on before she maims me ... :)
22.12.03 #       <AmigaNUKE> Hehehe... better feed him TA.  :)
22.12.11 #       <AmigaNUKE> er, she.
22.12.16 #       <AmigaNUKE> her... 
22.12.24 #       * AmigaNUKE laughs.
22.12.32 #       <TA> back.
22.12.59 #       <TA> I got this hard rubber thuing that is guaranteed that no dog can bite into it. She has teeth marks all over it.
22.13.35 #       <TA> Shaped like a cone. She bit the nipple end off the first nite, one bite it was gone.
22.14.07 #       <Seed> You have the wrong animal :)
22.14.10 #       <Womble> TA: A visit to the US, when I have some money from a job
22.14.39 #       <TA> Seed: But she is very loving. More so than a dog (have two of those as well).
22.15.02 #       <Womble> TA: Had my second interview at a place in London today. There are now three companies I'm expecting answers from early next week.
22.15.08 #       <Womble> TA: That is, offers or rejections.
22.15.14 #       <TA> Womble: Well, I hope ya get a good one so you can visit Texas.
22.15.32 #       <Seed> TA: Dogs are the best :)
22.15.35 #       <TA> Womble: Good show! and Good Luck!
22.16.16 #       <TA> Seed: Always had dogs. Got a chance to get this half wolf, half german shepherd and she is really beuatiful.
22.17.12 #       <Seed> TA: can't argue with that :)
22.17.34 #       <TA> But, she likes to sleep on MY pillow. We usually have a fight over who gets the bed.
22.17.57 #       <Seed> Ta: ohh.. this is beginning to sound sad ;)
22.18.44 #       <TA> Seed: No, I usually win but she is still a pup too.  :)
22.19.25 #       <Seed> Well, you can't argue with her. That's her advantage :)
22.19.54 #       <TA> So far she hasn't really bitten me, but she did put 4 fang marks in the wifes leg right at the knee.
22.20.46 #       <AmigaNUKE> Oh.  I heard of something called "Dashboard."  Anyone know what that does exactly?
22.20.46 #       <TA> she was nipping at the wife's feet as she was walking across the room. The wife acted like she was going to kick at her to chase her off and CHOMOP!
22.21.28 #       <TA> AmigaNUKE: That is part of Executive that basically tells you what it is monitoring. You can set iyt to monitor all sports of things inside Executive.
22.21.53 #       * AmigaNUKE nods.
22.21.56 #       <AmigaNUKE> Okie.
22.21.59 #       <TA> the typing tutor will be here shortly.
22.22.06 #       <TA> :)
22.22.10 #       <AmigaNUKE> Hehehe.
22.22.28 #       <TA> I type better when the wolf isn't eating my feet off.
22.23.01 #       <Seed> Let her type.. we'll see what she has to say about the Amiga
22.23.45 #       <TA> heh! If she can't gnaw on it she isn't interested. And she better NOT gnaw on my amiga!  :)
22.24.10 #       <Seed> I have a few spare Amigas. but no animals here :)
22.24.38 #       <TA> she had gnawed away on a keyboard under my computer desk so I gave it to Cryto here in the channel about a month ago.
22.24.48 #       <TA> Seed: Send her one to eat ... :)
22.24.57 #       <TA> maybe she'll leave my feet alone.
22.25.44 #       <TA> let me tend to her. I'll try to be back a little later ...
22.25.53 #       <Seed> see ya
22.26.08 #       <Seed> I'm going too. goodnight/morning all!
22.26.16 #       <TA> see ya guys!
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